💣┇weapons-gadgets

[eager wasp]

erm

[timber idol]

Fr

[cunning swan]

would you rather use riot shield or dual blades

[compact nexus]

How we feeling chat (im too lazy to keep going)

[silk cargo]

V9S needs full auto

[compact nexus]

Save it for the dual glocks bro...

[silk cargo]

i need a switch on my v9s

[timber idol]

Riot shield all the way

[timber idol]

Nah, we already have xp-54 and M11 if you want a high fire rate weapon

[silk cargo]

the fire rate wouldn't change at all...

[timber idol]

Well

Fair enough but I dislike full auto as it’s less accurate

[eager wasp]

dual blades

[tardy shard]

why dont they just remove hitscan from the sniper and give it atleast some justification to be in the game

[timber idol]

It’s so annoying on maps like Monaco and Kyoto

[tardy shard]

Theres NO reason for it to be hitscan

[eager wasp]

real

[silk cargo]

i want a small rpm nerf and full auto

[timber idol]

I think the V95 is fine

Definitely not biased as I am definitely not a V95 main

[silk cargo]

v9s

[timber idol]

It’s 5

[silk cargo]

also i don't want carpal tunnel

literally look it up dumb dumb

its V9S, not 5

[remote swan]

i like them both, but riot shield fits into my playstyle much better

[timber idol]

I liked it up, and you were right

gg I lost an internet argument 😔😔😔

[silk cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/chill-woody-toy-story-tesla-gif-26143452

[timber idol]

Oh damn I didn’t know you were cool like that

[silk cargo]

[timber idol]

Real

[haughty grail]

If you quick mele it cancels the little pump action

[crimson merlin]

No way! Why am I just finding out about this?

[hardy dust]

Sa12 is the best heavy weapon

[hushed edge]

What do guys think about the throwing knifes???????

[remote swan]

i think they are way to strong for how easy they are to use

[crimson merlin]

Only after leaning about the rechamber animation qm cancel then yes

But a USAS-12 would still be goated especially if it shot dragonsbreath rounds or slugs

[boreal laurel]

Very strong ATM, but hard to nerf without gutting them completely. I would go with an RoF nerf and perhaps a little lower damage

[crimson merlin]

I think they are properly balanced as the charge up to throw multiple is hella slow

Were the people who owned recon sense refunded after it was removed?

[grim remnant]

i find my self consistently hard countered by sledge when i run the SA1216, winch has been a huge blessing to the auto shotty but ironically what counters it

[hardy dust]

If you get winched by a sledge, try to winch them to cancel their m2 attack, it's super easy to kill them if you do that.

[grim remnant]

hmm ill have to try that, another issue with the winch is the iframes it gives enemies that you hook. Really sucks to have your first and most damaging shot after a winch on an enemy do nothing

[scenic mango]

would rather use riot shield

if the deflect was less jank maybe i could use it more

[magic quiver]

https://youtu.be/uqW5pkeUdA8

[lament mountain]

there should be a weapon that's just your fists. punch your opponents. your primary fire is your left hand and your secondary is your right hand. if you hold the buttons down you can like charge up a hook or something

trouble with quick melee contracts? now all of your attacks are an even quicker melee

[hidden kindle]

BUFF THE MODEL 1887 PLEASE

[spare arch]

UMP-45

[boreal laurel]

...Really?

[scenic mango]

that would be pretty sick for my Heavy tf2 roleplay

[hardy dust]

Im 99% sure it doesn't give iframes to people you winch

[grim remnant]

i've seen it dozens of times, holding down fire while winching and a point blank SA1216 shot doing zero damage despite the weapon being in their chest

[hardy dust]

Probably a server side issue

[grim remnant]

yeah possibly

[restive plover]

Model doesn't need to be buffed or nerfed, it is perfect.

[hidden kindle]

no

[boreal laurel]

OK 😅

[lament mountain]

what do you think of this idea for a gadget? the idea is to create what I think nukes were, but also make something with clear and obvious counterplay, and also also to give non-canister carriables a use.

[fast garden]

-1 damage on all shots/j

[bitter surge]

WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK OF THE LEWIS GUN ?

[cursive prairie]

Shotgun?

[grim remnant]

still a good gun, people forgot lewis was so good in previous seasons that it didn't even make sense to use anything else, but complain that it isn't the same hold down left click to kill whole teams effortlessly anymore.

[iron hill]

It’s way too meta rn, with a faster ttk than the akm as far as I’m aware

[bitter surge]

😭😭😭😭😭 ??????

Broooooo what!

[hallow leaf]

Model doesn't need a buff, what needs a buff is the revolver, fcar, dual blades and riot shield

[restive plover]

Still fcar on heavy. Just new fcar instead of old.

[hallow leaf]

The LMGs arnt bad tbh, they have a little slower ttk then the ARs if not the same, but you also have to take into account heavies have 100 more health and op stuff like the Rpg and charge that give you free 140 or 130 damage, before the nerf the LMGs had a faster ttk then all of meds ARs

[pine grail]

So any updates soon?

[grim remnant]

idk man, i see Revolver as mediums highest skill floor/ceiling weapon, if you can land 90% of your shots you're just going to mop up in games. Yeah it doesn't compete with range but close and medium range the thing is a monster to someone who's dedicated to putting in the time to get good with it

the worst part is all of the cool western revoler skins have the WORST iron sights in the game

[hallow leaf]

The range is what needs buffed on the revolver

[lament mason]

anyone else feeling like the sniper is a bit unfun to play against

i never really had a problem with it in cashout but with these new modes its getting rediculous

every game of powershift im camping spawns just to deal with the players

terminal attack feels terrible with it

[grim remnant]

I think it's way too strong in powershift, i also think it's simply too forgiving up close, a sniper with dash can no scope dash melee another light sooo fast

[lament mason]

Exactly!

its if we got rid of nuke and one shot rpgs why can we insta someone from across the map

[grim remnant]

i just don't get why as a sniper i'm able to just delete a light in my face when they have an M11

[sick needle]

adding a rock paper scissor element to the game makes the game unfun to casual players

[lament mason]

Needs to be a charge up like tf2

[grim remnant]

i think sniper is hard to balance in this game because it feels pretty well balanced on cashout game modes, it's high risk. But it really doesn't feel balanced around other modes like TA and powershift

[lament mason]

Just no quickscoping honestly

[hallow leaf]

Here is the thing about balancing, that would require the devs to actually balance and we all know we won't see any balance changes till season 4

[sick needle]

ez fix, remove it from powershift and TA

[lament mason]

We'll see

[kindred lily]

@balmy meadow i mean something that works like an ender pearl Crip

[carmine parcel]

why would they replace the gateway with that? The game is about teamwork and cohesion Latin King

[kindred lily]

i didn’t say replace gateway 🤦🏻‍♂️

[carmine parcel]

but like, the only class who hasn't been getting love is Med, i think they'd add something for them before something for light again

[kindred lily]

yeah, I agree but I was just giving an idea for light I think medium should get a heal nade

[alpine iris]

what if they added a laser low power rpg for medium class that is guided by a laser?

laser guided my bad

[spark igloo]

it's a bug

if you time it right it doesnt happen and doesnt affect your sa

[spark igloo]

https://streamable.com/m6k6v7 93r is so much better after the buff

[still ore]

thoughts on whats better to take for medium?
I tend to take turret or healing beam depending on teammates but for loadout i take akm with explosive mines, pyro grenade or normal grenade, and defib but I see a lot of people take stuff for covering distance and getting higher ground instead. Is it better overall or just personal preferences?

Also thoughts on whats better, invis or dashes on light builds as well

[old sentinel]

Whatever you want, with enough of a baller attitude you can make basically anything in this game effective and fun

[hushed edge]

Throwing knifes need to be nerfed 🗣️

[faint jolt]

this seems cool

problem would be timing i suppose

[tardy shard]

They got nerfed, they now have an 18 round magazine. Which basically doesnt change anything since 18 is still WAY too much

[tardy shard]

Did it just 1 burst a Heavy?

[hushed edge]

Did it??

[tardy shard]

If those patchnotes someone posted yesterday were correct, yes

[hushed edge]

K

[short seal]

I have personally enjoyed running dematerialiser, model 1887, explosive mine, jump pad and zipline. Very movement oriented, and I recommend watching tutorials on the Model if you are unsure how best to run it. It can cover a great amount of area and the mines can be used in a number of situations. Ofc it's personal preference but I've found this loadout to be immensely satisfying and fun to play. Hope that helps a bit, and absolutely run whatever you wanna play or what you're good with. 👍

[copper sinew]

Generally mobility options are better if you have heavies on the team or like mobility focused gameplay. I personally get by fine with just using the map layout to climb and get around.

Defibs are great, especially in the final round of world tour, but don't feel pressured into taking them, especially if you are not taking healbeam in a given game, other options can often make up for the lack of it if you use them well.

There is also a lot of smaller things to consider.

Pyro nades are a great way to clear enemy mines from around the cashout in addition to being a good area denial tool.

Explosive mines can double up as breaching tools when in a pinch

Jump pad can be used to block off entrances or make traps.

I would recommend experimenting around with different combinations and see what stick for you, however I do understand not everyone likes that so an alternative would be looking around on the discord server, people often post crazy things you can do with some loadouts you would not think about on your own.

[knotty ferry]

how do people feel about a mad maggie style drill for light except instead of it shooting lava out it shoots a half as powerful frag with a bigger radius

[lapis ridge]

I got some thoughts about the spear since I’ve been using it recently, I do really enjoy using it but I think the secondary fire could be better, I’m aware it’s purpose is for good crowd damage but at least in my experiences if I’m ever around 2 or 3 people I just get melted instantly (fully aware this might just be a skill issue), but I don’t know if a buff is the right thing, so I propose a javelin throw secondary fire instead, mostly due to coolness but I just think it would be better than its current secondary fire, after you throw it I think it should put in a decent sized animation so you can’t just spam throw it constantly and you won’t be able to attack on a poorly timed throw, so it could be a precise hitbox with decent damage that you have to wait a bit before each shot kinda like the bow but bigger and weightier with less damage, but I think maybe instead of damage it could do knockback or maybe a pinning effect to the person you hit slowing them down to catch up easier, I’m not entirely sure how good this idea is but it’s just a thought I had

[polar trout]

Weren't those just their proposed changes they wanted to see?

[hoary hatch]

Ther is a new grenade skin
its called ISEUL-T-REALITYCHECK

Does anybody know how to get it ?

On the bottom it reads Community event, but right now there is no information in-game for that event

[wet iris]

👍🏻

[hexed robin]

Ill either swap to snipe to deal with them or dagger and mad dash to their spawn

[lament mason]

The model can 2 shot a medium it's fine imo

[lament mason]

It's like that every Powershift or TA game tho. I don't wanna haveto camp spawns and play like a little rat to have a chance to compete

[keen island]

where did you find that?

[polar trout]

Probably just look at grenade skins in game

[copper sinew]

Prolly the next circut reward would be my guess

[fading ledge]

Yeah, it’s perfect as it is

[torn rain]

Dash is used more but invis is still better, the amount of people so oblivious to not notice me when I’m right next to them is insane

[keen island]

nah the one tmrw is a duffel bag

[still ore]

Well if you’re standing still already when they get next to you, the invis is like 99% invisible unless you look extremely closely. But it is very loud though

[pine grail]

Is 93r good now?

[copper sinew]

nah

still too little damage, but probably the best long range option outside of the bow and sniper

[restive plover]

Xp-54 and lh1:

[copper sinew]

oh right lh1, I think it is better now at longer ranges than xp-54 at least in the accuracity ballpark

[hardy dust]

Bow isnt very good long range

Its either get lucky or hope whoever you shoot at doesn't change course

[crimson merlin]

Y'all were crying about throwing knives despite them being not op lmao

[hardy dust]

They're annoying tho

They ought to get reworks and not nerfs

[copper sinew]

They are fine I bearly see them outside of quick cash and when you move well you usually don't get killed out of nowhere

I would probably make them unable to one shot lights with left click headshots tho

[hardy dust]

You'd need a heavy nerf for that

[copper sinew]

yeah that is the problem

[hardy dust]

Unless you mean 1 bodyshot 1 headshot

Because nerfing them below 2 headshots would make them horrible

[copper sinew]

yeah that is what I mean. They deal 60 damage already, two shots at once that is 120 it is hard to not make them one shots light with those stat, they would need to have revoler damage and that woul probably make them too weak already

[hardy dust]

Rev does 74?

[copper sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/meonly-gif-19710542

yeah you right I brain farted I thought about revy not two shotting lights

[hardy dust]

Imo I think the fire rate should be decreased and the damage/headshot multi increased proportionally

Also make the m2 interesting

Bc rn everyone who complains is because of how spammy it is

[copper sinew]

yeah that. Let them hold it at least or change it completely

I like the idea that they are pretty quick, makes them feel nimble as throwing knives should be, but yeah I think there is a lot of room to make them fire slower and still not feel sluggish.

Also adding damage falloff would probably help. I read on the wiki they don't have it and I don't know how true that is but that seems like a great way to control them somewhat

[hardy dust]

They're pretty bad at range already

[copper sinew]

Yeah, but apart from being spammy people complain about being nearly one shot by them from longer ranges, where a light can aim the first shot from safety.

Adding like a 20% falloff would change the damage from 60 to 48, 4 shotting lights, but you now have to 6 shot medium instead of 5 shotting them and you have to hit 8 shots on a heavy instead of the usual 6. Would also force the knives into closer range which makes it easier to kill the players.

As far as frustration goes I think that would help a lot. Give the feeling of having a fighting chance instead of being shot down by them from a rife range

[daring cloud]

Do you have a feeling that the stangun hits you from 50 meters away?(he's hitting too far)

[reef vector]

Not really

The nerf a while back made it just more balanced

[plucky gust]

Have they said anything about bringing night time maps and bringing back medium night vision?

[reef vector]

Yeah

Except medium had recon senses

[plucky gust]

that is not relevant now, seems like no for now but probably gonna have to wait for a Halloween event or next year

[reef vector]

I want it back tho

But balanced

[daring cloud]

how do you imagine a balanced recon senses

[fleet brook]

Wall hacks can't be balanced

[plucky gust]

Night vision was balanced it only functioned on night time or midnight (pitch black) maps. Wasn't as strong as thermal but made overall visibility much better.

[fleet brook]

Also wall hacks makes it hard to find cheaters

[plucky gust]

They are not talking about recon senses its the night vision I'm pretty sure

Fk recon senses for now that's a different conversation I would like night vision to return as a permanent gadget in the medium arsenal

[fleet brook]

I'd prefer targeting binoculars

[daring cloud]

they just needed to add thermal vision to medium instead of light

[plucky gust]

Having the midnight map modifier return and U have the option to put the night vision in reserve, people who didn't take it were at a disadvantage like not having movement options like jump pad or zipline in suspended structures. Having a map based meta is fun.

[plucky gust]

Medium had night vision but no thermal vision, light had both night vision and thermal. Idk what plans they have for kit additions/changes now tho

[daring cloud]

the midnight map modifier return? I do not remember such a modifier, what did it look like?

[reef vector]

They can

[fleet brook]

Also it makes catching cheaters harder

[reef vector]

Tru

[copper sinew]

I mean r6 made wallhacks pretty balanced.

Just make the character hold up a device that makes it so they can't shoot or use gadgets at the same time, something like that should work in the finals.

[whole sparrow]

what Wepon and Gadgets is best to use in high lobbies for Medium class?

[copper sinew]

The copy/paste loadouts would probably be something like: Healbeam, Fcar/AKM, frags, jumppad, defib or Dematerializer, Model 1778, Jumppad, zipline, mines depending on which playstyle you feel better with.

However as long as you avoid the melee weapons and the revolver you will not handicap yourself in any way so just find what feels good to play with and get to the top with that.

[whole sparrow]

Thanks...
I've been running with Shotgun/AKM/Fcar (but Fcar doesn't feel soo good atm...).
Then Healbeam, Jumppad and Defib (always). I've been changing between Zipline, Frag and Explosive Mine but can't decide what's better....

[torn rain]

yes

[boreal laurel]

Frag is more versatile and never a bad option, but mines are a very strong defensive tool. Zipline isn’t necessary unless you’re really craving more movement

[torn wave]

frag over mines for me

[fickle radish]

Miss old gas nade

[grim remnant]

yeah gas seems pretty bad this season, i don't think i've died from it once or really had any struggles with it, now frag grenade spam has been awful, 3 mediums all running frags throwing 6 grenades before the fight even starts is so much worse

[hardy dust]

Zipline is mainly if you're in a 3stack

It gets much more value in coordinated teams

Also falls off if you have a light in your team

But not by much

[digital anvil]

You won! I'm definitely stopping THE FINALS, the game is uninstalling.
However, I have a lot of playing time. I gave you a lot of money and time. However, season 3 is horrible. Terminal attack is shit. matchmaking is also crap.
Why not have a rank (gold/diamond....) in Cashing out. We don't care about BUCKs.
all your shit weapons the katana / spear / hammer what is that? We are not playing an FPS.
The game is going in a direction that I don't like. I no longer feel respected as a player. I am disgusted, very disgusted.
I WILL NOT GIVE YOU ANY MORE MONEY AND TIME. GOODBYE EMBARK

[hardy dust]

Womp womp

[eager wasp]

Womp womp

[fleet brook]

Might I prompose a womp womp womp

[restive plover]

Possibly even a womp womp womp womp.

[fleet brook]

I'm more feeling 1-2 womps personally

[hasty burrow]

I’m more of a wah womp kinda guy myself

[lament mountain]

oh yeah this is a great set of contracts (posting here because it's the closest to relevant channel i can post images in)

[pine grail]

I want akimbo weapons

[reef vector]

stop yapping

[reef vector]

womp womp

[north sentinel]

The AK and gas mines are great.

[vale viper]

Does anyone agree that the reticle of the sniper rifle should be removed? It ticks me off that lights just use it as a pseudo shotgun. I once caught a light chasing me (I was playing winch spear) with the sniper and just dusted him because he was in melee range.

He gave up high ground on the mall in Skyway just to try to 1v1 a spear Heavy in a small room. The absent reticle may discourage that.

[real nebula]

Got some goofy ahh ideas for some events since Embark hasn't been dropping any lately.

Event Changes
Orbital Laser removed (boring and was unfun)

Dead Go Boom returns (Makes a sound cue when enemy is about to explode like a beeping noise and will detonate in the next 6 seconds)

New event, Nama Tama Drama - Everyone gets a new head cosmetic that makes them look like the games mascot, Nama Tama, protecting all players from headshot damage.

New Event, Acid Rain - When raining, buildings would slowly lose its integrity when under the rain making it easy to break from the smallest of explosives. Plants and trees would easily fall apart and dissolve under the rain. Contestants in the rain will remove their max health based on their class.
Light - 125
Medium - 200
Heavy - 270

New Event MOOLA - Nothing happens in this event. Just a giant Moola plushy spawns on the map

Terminal Attack will have a chance to have an event mid game. In competitive mode, there will be a moment between rounds where players will have three event options and whichever one gets the most votes will be the event for that round.

Just throwing things at the wall and seeing what sticks.

[lyric zealot]

orbital lasers is the most pointless event has anyone ever been hit by one?

[ashen hawk]

its not abt being hit by one, its when they purposefully stay in one place under a roof to make the building explode. my most fav event yet

[lyric zealot]

i want recon sense back similar to bloodhounds scan in apex, or the scan in R6

[reef vector]

yes

[ashen hawk]

honestly i think they should nerf throwing knives by giving them reload and less damage, cuz a gun like knives cant have muzzle flash or recoil. i think im not the only one the devs have been hearing

[reef vector]

recon back pls

[real nebula]

Imagine Orbital Laser as a gadget. Just throw it down like a Helldiver lmao

[keen island]

add all the stratagems as an april fools joke

[real nebula]

That's not enough make an event where the Automatons invade the games

[keen island]

MORE
add the entire game

[last solar]

1 April joke should be reversing the recoil from up to down, it would be the funniest thing to watch all the people who practice recoil pattern get smoked

[fleet brook]

I feel like orbital Lazer forcing movement is good I want more things that force movement

I feel like giving you a random option from 3 everytime would be better

[wanton dust]

I started using knives and playing light cause the class is op.

[timber idol]

👎

[timber idol]

Maybe something like an energy meter, like the cloaking device, the alt fire would use more stamina and when out of stamina, the player would need to wait a certain period of time for it to recharge and they can use it again

[short escarp]

how to get Iseul-t reality check grenade???

[torn mantle]

Is the model the medium meta? Every game I see at least one medium with it

[meager dawn]

Eh, Model, AK, and Famas are all good. I usually break out the model when I'm going to be fighting a bunch of lights

[gleaming galleon]

I think a signal jammer gadget would be a cool addition for mediums to counter sonar.

[vague monolith]

I think you could do something like the m2 uses less stamina, so you could use it to finish off the enemy if you're low. More fun, less spamable, and gives it a different identity than guns

[sacred cypress]

Revert the Lewis and M60 changes or reduce its recoil at the very least it's unbearable

The game should also have better optimisation for controller players. Give more button optimisation for controller players for example being able to swap to an item with the double tap or triple of a button or swipe on the middle pad of a controller. And also holding certain buttons do a different function to that of that just pressing it or even giving one function like jumping or shooting to different keybinds so u can choose what u are comfortable with given the situation.

[paper dagger]

Fr

[golden ice]

when are you guys finally gonna change throwing knives give it atleast an ammo count an reload animation full light teams all spamming Throwing knifes is no fun

[golden ice]

m60 is easy to handle only lewis needs a reduced recoil

[jade portal]

They just need to lower the revolver, fall off

[jade portal]

All the revolver needs mabey 1more damage

[compact nexus]

All 3 ars and 1887 are all really good choices

The infinite ammo wasn't the problem before because the knives were kinda ass stat wise

Now they aren't

It's the first two buffs that really made them extremely strong

But the problem is that that is also the change that makes them feel decent to use, so lowering damage/adding an ammo count would be the best

❌

The selling point is that its a close ranged projectile weapon

You do not describe throwing knives as "infinite ammo" you describe it as "close ranged projectile weapon"

Idk to me it just sounds like you can't hit shots and rely on a crutch

[remote swan]

i personally found the throwing knives very comfortable to use before the buffs, but that’s probably just me

[compact nexus]

They were ok before but the changes made them feel better for sure

[remote swan]

i liked having the delay before they fired, as it let me line up the shot while waiting for them to actually throw

[compact nexus]

Most people are used to aim first then click, which is also part of the reason no one uses right click

[remote swan]

yea

[gleaming galleon]

Exactly! I was thinking it would be a device you put down like an APS turret that covers a certain radius and can be shot. It would be especially useful in TA it could cancel out the tracking dart as well if you are within it's radius. Right now there is no counter to tracking devices.

[sinful dagger]

I would make the delay between the first and second knife even larger than it used to be. Maybe reduce the headshot multiplier a little as well

[polar trout]

On god bruh like why would you wanna homogenize the knives they have a niche, just reduce performance not change their identity

[last hull]

I need a riot shield loadout

[remote swan]

i use turret, frag, goo, defib

[sacred cypress]

Revert the m60 and Lewis changes and pls pls pls reduce its recoil embark. I know you'll have holiday but I hope really hope this gets to you guys. Thank you.

[sacred cypress]

I second this

[vague sorrel]

Why didn’t medium get a gadget or special for season 3!?!?

[cunning kettle]

data reshaper works on sonars

[cunning kettle]

bring them back to their season 1 stats frfr

[vague sorrel]

Me and not caring what’s a better combo? Like that and the spear and the katanas should all be vaulted

[boreal laurel]

I use defib, zipline, and swap between frags, exp. mines, and glitch traps. For spec I prefer demat but I’ll use heal when I have to

[timber idol]

When I use a riot shield and am getting shot at, I usually wait until they reload but tk has no reload meaning I’m stuck they’re acc so annoying

[remote swan]

you gotta break their ankles

[lapis anchor]

I know some people consider heavy op already but it would be so cool if they had a big sniper, because heavies don't have options for long range encounters imo

[abstract depot]

its because of their mistake with buffing this they are now slowly buffing things

[eager gale]

Glitch traps shouldn't stop you from putting in a cash out 😒

[boreal laurel]

Glad to hear it 🫡 and same here

[lapis anchor]

same, hoping it gets more attention soon 🙏

[lyric zealot]

increase spread on 1887, tight spread combined w the unpredictable movement in this game makes it way too high skill. (skill issue) (i have it level 8 and drop 15+ every game with it)

[lyric zealot]

this games a balancing nightmare coz the last thing anyone wants is an unkillable mesh shield crane camping heavy

[lapis anchor]

lmao, but the crane can be broken down if you know what to blow up

[lyric zealot]

yea true and then their morals will stop them camping church on monaco, or any tall building on seoul, kyoto or skyway

add sniper heavy immediatly devs!!!

[lapis anchor]

like heavies have morals, im a despicable heavy player

[lyric zealot]

thats right! so maybe they will camp church or any tall building. what will we do now?

i think heavy sniper mesh, and two healbeams with ARs to fend off anyone trying to attack their postion will really spice this game up!

bro realised how silly his suggestion was

[abstract depot]

whats the secret to doing more damage with the flamethrower

[lyric zealot]

what im tryna figure out, ppl clicking and instantly doing 90 dmg, meanwhile my flamethrower has less dps than quick melee

[abstract depot]

EXACTLY

[compact nexus]

Fire damage

[vernal raft]

Give the medium class a M82 50. Cal sniper

They’re supposed to be support after all

[timber idol]

Maybe a throwing axe for medium just because it sound cool

[bronze marsh]

whats meta rn

[eager wasp]

anything you are good at

[golden ice]

before those changes you needed a bit of skill to use them properly and they where fun to use. now its just a no skill weapon and 1 of the Easiest weapon to use becuz its just aim and spam tk and if you against multiple lights in a team nowadays most lights all use TK and every match has a lot of lights becuz they rather want lots of kills and easy way to destroy all classes and win. Especially now there is no penalty for getting team wiped or killed in in world tour

then you need to work on your aim more tho

[golden ice]

katanas are fun and good if you know how to play with it

[eager wasp]

dual blades

[golden ice]

give it an antimaterial rifle that can wallbang(only 1 wall/stair/ceiling per shot) but does less damage when penetrated a wall or ceiling

i know but he called them katanas

[solar marlin]

i'm learning to play heavy. what primary wep should i be taking into WT ?

[silk cargo]

i recommend the lewis gun, its pretty solid

[solar marlin]

🤔

[silk cargo]

do you not like it?

[solar marlin]

no. it's just something to think about.

[fleet brook]

Flamethrower/ Melee

[solar marlin]

like hitting V ? or using hamma/spear?

[silk cargo]

also yeah flamethrower very good + winch, especially against lights

[glad palm]

I wanna eat an invis bomb

[rustic mirage]

🔥 thrower is great for beginners or those that are not exceptional aimers. If aim is exceptional there's some better options with lower TTK

[wicked ocean]

mine was more like reduce its effective range, from 35-ish to 25, but give its right-click charge less time at the expense of longer delay for each shot

as a shuriken (yes I called it that) user, that would be damn awesome

[restive plover]

add dual pistols! or any dual wielding gun. Its always super cool

[fickle radish]

Reload on throwing knives might be a good nerf idea

[lament mountain]

so the model 1887 doesn't do increased damage on headshots. does that mean you can't get headshot damage with it for the headshots contract?

[restive plover]

This extends to every shotgun.

[lament mountain]

so. no reason to track both at once then, I suppose?

but anyway in other news I think I like the model 1887

[bronze spade]

if you are arguing for the fact that TK takes skill, you are inherently mistaken, the problem isnt the damage nor the infinite ammo it presents itself, its simply the fact you can spam it at a high rate of fire and get close enough to someone winning the fights 80% of the time

nerf the fire rate and rework it into a burst fire that has delays between burst

[signal chasm]

burst fire on TK would be really nice. good idea

[hardy dust]

Dagger backstab counts as a headshot

But apart from that, there's nothing that can do both contracts at the same time

[bronze spade]

leave the bow alone

its good enough as it is

it doesnt need buffs nor nerfs

for the love of this game

revert the fcar

[restive plover]

Dude, no.

[bronze spade]

yes, the fcar actually takes skill

it shouldnt be a another akm

[restive plover]

It should have been nerfed in a different way, I agree. But it still needed to be nerfed.

[bronze spade]

the fire rate

[restive plover]

Besides, it was and still is a very easy weapon.

[bronze spade]

compare to the l1h1 and tk

or m11

[restive plover]

Don't play much light, but the lh1 also got nerfed. And m11 needs you to be right in somebody's face to take advantage of the hipfire, having much worse recoil otherwise.

[bronze spade]

the lh1 hits at a 100m without damage drop off, extremely easy to use now and the m11 is reasonably easy to control recoil with ads and shreds reminds me of the r97 from titanfall

i would love for a decrease to the damage drop off range for the lh1

i would also like to see the med ars rework into their own roles at range but counter each other, the r357 more of a accuracy buff and the grenade launcher being more impactful

im not really a fan of the akm and the fcar being so similar and being decided based on preference rather then tactical use

heres a idea why not make the fcar into a semi automatic

[hardy dust]

Fcar ought to have it's niche

But reverting the nerf is plain stupid

[bronze spade]

the fire rate needed to be nerfed

[hallow current]

What new weapons y'all got for me? Lemme see those ideas

[bronze spade]

whats stupid is the state of the l1h1 and the tk, it makes the fcar look balanced

[hardy dust]

Tk isn't as strong as its annoying

Lh1 is strong, but its on light

Imo it deserves a fire rate nerf

Old fcar was much worse than them though

[bronze spade]

i agree make it a burst fire with a delay

[hardy dust]

Idk if making it a burst fire would be good

That's a very big rework for something that doesn't need it

[bronze spade]

i would argue a light gets close enough to a med with the tk and they will win the fight 80% of the time with how the med weapons function now

[hardy dust]

If they get the jump on them, sure.
But overall they preform worse than lh1, smgs or v9s.
They're just very spammy and don't take much skill overall

[bronze spade]

it required recoil control where as the knives are spammable

[hardy dust]

It also had really good range, really good ttk and did was on medium

The recoil wasn't even very bad

The entire meta revolved around it

[bronze spade]

maybe make the recoil harder to use, i like the idea of med having a good weapon that is all rounder that with enough practice, it can potentially be one of the best weapons in the game , i think all classes need their all rounder and the niche feel in the role to spice things up

[hardy dust]

That's the ak. Fcar was supposed to be a sidegrade, but ended up being a straight upgrade

[bronze spade]

the akm is not good as it was beta

[hardy dust]

Its still good

Its balanced

[bronze spade]

i disagree i think its good because of the extra rounds in the clip

it would be awesome to see it reworked into a slow firing weapon that does more head shot damage and better at close ranges

[hardy dust]

The fcar?

[bronze spade]

the akm

[hardy dust]

Why not rework the fcar into that. Akm is fine as is

[bronze spade]

i prefer the famas right now out of all the med weapons

[hardy dust]

I prefer it out of all the ars

[bronze spade]

if it had a scope it would be the best

i want it to be where selecting a med ar can affect the strat that the team has

for example the fcar being good at close range, should let the other teammate select something to cover for the range

[fleet brook]

Ab ammo count would be nice

It's just an always ready weapon

[hardy dust]

Wait im stupid, I thought they were talking abt lh1 cuz I was talking abt lh1

Imo tk needs dmg up, fire rate down and more visibility

Make it take skill to hit shots and not spam

[formal crown]

lh1 is either over powered or under powered and I hate it

[fleet brook]

And an ammo count to actually punish mindless spamming like with every other non melee weapon

[hardy dust]

Depends what the count is

Too low -> its just a worse gun
Too high -> same issues

[formal crown]

imo reduce headshot damage. other than that I'm fine with it

in y'all's opinion: what's better sword or dagger for light?

[hardy dust]

Sword by far

Actual mobility, doesn't get hard countered by a wall

So much more potential

[bronze spade]

tk can kill with alt fire with one shot

[hardy dust]

If you hit the alt fire headshot you deserve the kill

A projectile with windup and it can only kill on headshot against the fastest class

It's probably one of the hardest ways to actually kill a light

[bronze spade]

if you hit behind or point blank its extremely easy to do

[hardy dust]

Extremely easy is a longshot

[fleet brook]

Idk it just kinda has the luxury of you get to miss infinite times with it no other gun has that

[hardy dust]

Point blank you still have to windup and hit headshot

And behind is pretty easy to miss at midrange

[hardy dust]

At the expense of worse ttk and pitiful range

[fleet brook]

I've been playing since beta I can get pretty good range with them

[hardy dust]

They weren't even in the beta

[restive plover]

Lmao

[fleet brook]

I'm saying I've been playing since they came out beta is just covering everything

Also they got a ease of use patch mid range isn't hard to hit

[hardy dust]

Against a moving target you gotta lead shots

[fleet brook]

TKS are better for body shots mid range to far

[hardy dust]

At midrange they're just bad. All the guns outpreform them by miles

They're only an issue up close

[fleet brook]

No need to reload plus not very responsive

If you fight with a gun at mid range people will know they're being shot and sometimes where and re engage you

Tks are also an ungodly third party weapon

They also deal mostly burst damage which has its own set of perks

[hardy dust]

Tks are problematic up close but apart from that they're pretty ass

[bronze spade]

the v95 is arguably the best gun in the light class tied with l1h1

[hardy dust]

Xp

[bronze spade]

no that gun is ass

[hardy dust]

V9s is about the same as m11, which are both below lh1/xp

[bronze spade]

imo

[hardy dust]

Xp/lh1 is meta rn

[vale obsidian]

i saw many people want to nerf tks by killing the infinite ammo rather then nerfing the damage lol

[hardy dust]

The dmg isn't good tho

[vale obsidian]

have you see the range on that shit? lol

[bronze spade]

v95 is better then xp, head shots are beter

[hardy dust]

Harder to use, worse range, much less consistent

[vale obsidian]

explain this

[hardy dust]

Xp is good because it's insanely well rounded and has absurd ranged damage

[hardy dust]

Burst dmg, they're only a fast kill against light

But then again, over half of light's weapons can "1shot" light

[bronze spade]

ive seen it and its absurd but the gun really is over rated, i cant tell you how many times that gun has failed me to take out multiple tagets compare to the v95

[restive plover]

You can kill a light with one left click if you land a headshot.

[hardy dust]

Although tks are one of the easiest

[vale obsidian]

MAKE IT CAN"T

[bronze spade]

dont do anything to damage just slow the fire rate down

[vale obsidian]

tk is the only weapon light have that force me to burn dash every time its fire

only weapon in the game now that i think about it

(not counting gatgid)

[hardy dust]

So melees don't?

[vale obsidian]

not really

most melee player i come across i feel like they have really low sens

[hardy dust]

It kinda makes sense dashing away is good counterplay for a weapon that does good up close (tk) tho

[vale obsidian]

not really posible most of the timee espically when i play close range/ in building most of the time

even more they have dash

[hardy dust]

So how would it be different if they had smth like sh1900 or sword

[bronze spade]

the sawed off has limited range

[hardy dust]

Ik, but in close range/building

[vale obsidian]

sword i just dash anywhere when they dash so im always an arm lange away form them

[bronze spade]

2 shots

[fleet brook]

I'm pretty decent with them from range besides you don't kill from range you just weaken and annoy then go for the kill

[vale obsidian]

and the sh1900 feel like just another gun imo, i just play normally
wait is sh1900 the db?

[hardy dust]

Yeah but they're a downgrade from basically every gun at midrange

[fleet brook]

Honestly I'd take them over SH but that's obvious

[hardy dust]

If they know how to superdasg they can easily close the gap tho

[fleet brook]

Or a m11 but I'm more comfortable with them then the m11

[vale obsidian]

superdash?

[hardy dust]

Yeah true..

[hardy dust]

Lunge + dash timed properly

[bronze spade]

i prefer the m11 over the xp

[fleet brook]

Also they're tracking feels the least affected by dashing

[vale obsidian]

non of the sword i fight do that lol

[fleet brook]

For a mid range fight?

[bronze spade]

closer mid range if its far mid range im using my v95

[fleet brook]

Tbf I've never liked the m11 but when TKs dropped I played them for hours because it was my off day

[vale obsidian]

i play m11 purely for the fast reload
(also im too used to the recoil)

[hardy dust]

I play m11 for the hipfire

[bronze spade]

could also be my preference for the silencer sound it makes

[vale obsidian]

burh the hip fire let me down more then i can count lmao

[bronze spade]

i always ads with m11

unless its point blank or im trying to get out of sight

[vale obsidian]

true

maybe i just don't like relying on rng in genaral but i never use hipfire except the closest of range

[bronze spade]

this game really doesnt have good hip fire

[hardy dust]

Ik but I'd rather just use the xp/v9s if I wanted anything else

So I hardly use the m11

[bronze spade]

its a great close range weapon that can cover distance

not far like the xp but far enough to beam a med or heavy

[vale obsidian]

dude DB is the most Get-IN-Get-Out weapon in the game, and i will rate m11 second on that list

out of the weapon i use anyways

[bronze spade]

m11 really does show cases on how the light class should be played

you hit them on the flank or run to cover

[vale obsidian]

i barely fire 70% of the mag most of the time before i reposition

[bronze spade]

im the complete opposite i beam then repositon and take advanatge of the reload and strike again

[vale obsidian]

i wish i have a clip to show case this but im enjoying mediium too much rn

[bronze spade]

whats the class

i love using the famas as a support weapon, pepper the team then have a team mate clean off the rest

[vale obsidian]

bro i play eveything like a light lmao

medium i flank to play as a fat light with more utility

and heavy i play as obese light to take attention form the enemy support medium lol

[bronze spade]

yeah i love doing that hahah

moving like a light as heavy with a flamethrower and goo gun hahahaha

[vale obsidian]

@lucid barn pls nerf hook dev 🙏

[fleet brook]

Eventually embark is gonna nerf the hook into being useless or having a long CD and then people are gonna say embark killed it and it'll be the same people who called (spammed)for it's nerf

[lucid barn]

I AGREEEEEEEE

[bronze spade]

besides the winch claw whats vaible for heavy?

[hardy dust]

C&S is stronger, mesh is very good in comps, googun is googun

[fleet brook]

Sheilds nice if people are too stupid to have glitch grenades as a secondary option

[lucid barn]

If winch is removed nerf then heavy will be unviable

[hardy dust]

No?

[lucid barn]

*melee heavy

[fleet brook]

Charge and slam are more useful for destruction and gap closing then damage and well if you want a gap closer bring Winch

Mesh is good as long as they'res not a glitch grenade rat running around

Goo gun is fun not competitive because it feels slower and you have to put your gun away

[lucid barn]

#DONTTOUCHWINCHCLAW

[hardy dust]

Nope, melee heavy was literally fine the entire game so far. Winch melee just promotes a skilless version of it

[hardy dust]

Goo gun is bad because it has to contest against other heavy specs

[lucid barn]

Theres skill wdym you gotta aim with winch claw!

[hardy dust]

Hardly any. Sledge was fine without winch. Winch just promotes a braindead playstyle

[lucid barn]

Sledge was clunky and difficult before winch cuz there was hardly anything to close the gap for heavies

[bronze spade]

mesh shield is good and goo gun is great but the amount of combinations you can possibly do with winch claw exceeds it as it seems, it makes the sledge hammer a weapon that can be countered easily into a menace or the fact that you can pull the cashout box out of the building and down the lift is insane

[fleet brook]

Goo gun is bad because goo nerf + people got smarter and subsequently faster at the game

[hardy dust]

Sledge relied on positioning, and sledge was good at that due to the destruction capability. Goo gun was a skilled option to close the gap. Winch is just "wait for cooldown to end and get kill"

[bronze spade]

goo gun is good for repostioning and being used as a stair case or blocking doors

[hardy dust]

Goo gun doesn't really provide instant value

And that's a pretty big weakness

[bronze spade]

i love hitting my team mates with it

[fleet brook]

Sledge felt like a destruction tool first and oops your enemy mispostioned you get a kill second

And then dash was introduced and just destroyed that dynamic

[hardy dust]

I pray for your downfall

[bronze spade]

lmfao

[hardy dust]

?
Dash should be a hard counter to melee heavy

[bronze spade]

also if i have a sniper on my team and wants to crane snipe i tk him

[hardy dust]

Nvm you're good

[fleet brook]

Yes but completely locking out both shotgun and melee builds for heavy since dash is lights best specialization it basically killed weapon variety in the game

[hardy dust]

Shotgun can do fine against dash

[fleet brook]

Making more people default to the op lmgs

Especially if they had it in there second slot which I always did

[hardy dust]

Also cloak is better than dash in better comps

[fleet brook]

Old cloak new cloak people can both hear and see easier

[bronze spade]

im suprised thermal vison isnt used as much

[hardy dust]

When using a melee (no range) on the slowest class, you have to pay a huge downside. Light with dash (best mobility) is the worst matchup for that. It makes sense that you should lose.

[hardy dust]

Both. Nerfed cloak is better than dash (especially now) in higher comps

[fleet brook]

Point being dash basically killed melee heavy since the heavy couldn't do anything about it and it was basically a free "oh I've misplayed as light and mispostioned this would usually get me killed but I have dash my get away button"

[hardy dust]

Its a hard counter. It makes sense it should win.

You're saying that as if heavy doesn't have 1-2 free win buttons

To counter an entire class

Melee heavy v. Dash is one of the worst matchups in the game

[bronze spade]

mgl heavy with cs vs mgl heavy with cs

[cursive robin]

Wait this game is 3v3?

[bronze spade]

lmfao

[bronze spade]

5v5 power shift

[cursive robin]

Is it worth da download

[bronze spade]

depends on your preference of fps

its best described as a team based arena shooter that has environmental destruction

[fleet brook]

So you endorse instant win buttons

Also those instant win buttons don't butcher build diversity and limit the weapons embark could give heavy

Why give heavy any new melee weapons if they would've gone unused because dash existed and they're was no counter to it?

[cursive robin]

Idk I play slot of r6

[fleet brook]

I should win without skill and have a free button to correct most to all mistakes I make in my matchup.

Yone levels of unbalanced

Dash always heavily encouraged me to start using flamethrower so one good thing came out of it for me

[cursive robin]

Y’all think ima like dis game I got 4k hours on r6

[fleet brook]

Depends

[cursive robin]

I also like ovee watch

[fleet brook]

As an R6 player what do you like about R6 because this game plays nothing like it

Having multiple unbalanced things isn't good

Adding cancer to go against the original cancerous thing you added isn't good design

[cursive robin]

Ima just try it out

[fleet brook]

"man people really hate this isnta loose get out of jail free card we made for this match up let's make another to counter the original"

Dash inheritly unless it becomes terrible will always be a get out of jail for misposiotining as light

Been like that since it was introduced

For the off chance your enemy was stupid messed up and mispostioned they get a nope timer on a short CD and it makes them impossible to catch

[vale obsidian]

thats just mobility in genaral
really don't know how to balance it

[fleet brook]

You can't really grapple out of a heavy melee range

(Without a long CD)

Dash reinforced a shit meta and made it worse

That's like saying "people who complain about winch should never play again" both are cancer just for different sides

Both are effectively mistake erasers or easy mode for there respective class

[vale obsidian]

i won't mind all of these if embark fix it soon...

[fleet brook]

The "skill" of oops I've mispostioned but I have a button that can undo it for me

[vale obsidian]

pffft

[fleet brook]

Or somehow I as a light have let a heavy gap close on me because I don't know how to shoot and run

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/conor-mcgregor-who-are-you-who-da-fook-is-dat-guy-whos-that-ufc-gif-16361113

[fleet brook]

I don't inheritly dislike dash it's just been annoying to me that each class besides medium is getting a mistake eraser or easy mode

[hardy dust]

Light in general already counters melee heavy

[fleet brook]

Winch is cancer because they added it to counter act the cancer they made in dash

[hardy dust]

And dash isn't broken at all

[fleet brook]

Which is why I was confused on why they added a specialization that made that worse

[hardy dust]

Because the game doesn't revolve around a niche pick on one class?

[fleet brook]

Being Cancerous and broken are separate

Dash basically took the skill away of distancing and shooting

[fleet brook]

Also dash still counters winch

[hardy dust]

Dash enables more plays and mid combat positioning

[radiant vapor]

delete the sniper

[fleet brook]

Mid combat repositioning

[hardy dust]

Yes

The same way it "counters" rpg ig?

[vale obsidian]

this is the one time i agree to removed a gun

[fleet brook]

If you get pulled and heavy doesn't have rocket when you get yoinked mash dash backwards

[fleet brook]

Yeah no I never said that ?

[restive plover]

And you still are set up for free damage by the stun.

[hardy dust]

It still kills if you have anything but sledge/mgl

[hardy dust]

"I guess" since I've heard that a ton from other who say dash counters winch

[fleet brook]

I actually like that idea it's just it has such a short CD that it can be used for both out of combat and in combat moves

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/conor-mcgregor-who-are-you-who-da-fook-is-dat-guy-whos-that-ufc-gif-16361113
@fresh eagle

[fleet brook]

I've mained light since beta and played shotgun light and dagger light as part of a TF2 build back when it was terrible I played light before you played the game and I still run dash with my shotgun/ v9s light

[radiant vapor]

just a light main defending their bs kit again

[fleet brook]

Ik how dash works same way I play anything before calling it bad

[fleet brook]

Dash opens up skilled play I don't argue with that it's just if the CD per charge was a little longer it'd be cool

[radiant vapor]

bro thinks you need 100 hours on a gadget to be able to have a valid opinion on it 🤣

[hardy dust]

Its not even strong. It didn't even get close to deserving it's nerf

[fleet brook]

Charges of dash are cheap but it didn't need a nerf

[vale obsidian]

im kindda meh about everything rn

[fleet brook]

There's a difference I generally don't want things to be nerfed reworked into a new purpose sure but not nerfed

[radiant vapor]

i did not say "adapt" i said "get a feel for" thats not the same thing

[fleet brook]

Difference

Nerf RPG CD +20 seconds
Vs

RPG player damage 60 CD reduced to 15 arena destruction+ or stays the same

Dash has skill expression but enables skilless players

[hardy dust]

Big issues ought to be reworked, small ones need nerfs

[hardy dust]

You can say that about way too many things.

[sonic oracle]

YAP YAP YAP

[fleet brook]

Sadly yeah

[radiant vapor]

i agree

what is the current CD?

[vale obsidian]

and why would anyone waste time to do that?

[hardy dust]

But not exactly in a bad way. If something is versatile it usually does that

[fleet brook]

There's a difference between a skilled item

That enables skilless played and a skilled item

[sonic oracle]

stop yapping

[fleet brook]

40 seconds

[vale obsidian]

im here to yap mf

[keen tangle]

Most things in this game have both a skill floor and ceiling. The issue that comes in is that the devs want every skill floor to be equal so casuals can enjoy
But high skill players suffer as a result as it usually sets an artificially lower cap on the ceiling

[fleet brook]

I feel like items with a low floor high ceiling should give you value based off of where you are on the scale not just really good value to greater value

[vale obsidian]

not everyone you disagree is a heavy main mf

[fleet brook]

I already said the RPG is problematic and have been saying it should be changed to an arena damage weapon for like 2 seasons now

[devout finch]

Brother who hurt you 💀

[hardy dust]

Yeah, but that's very difficult to attain, especially with extremely versatile items.

It's better off focusing on actual issues before trying to fix those.

[keen tangle]

One of the worst examples of a low skill floor
Often compared to the sniper rifle in terms of damage output and I simply do not understand this comparison.
There is a MUCH higher ceiling (and even floor) to the SR-84 compared the the RPG

[ripe shard]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-stare-glare-judge-okay-gif-26860641

[vale obsidian]

monky

[fleet brook]

Fair but if dash had a slightly longer nothing drastic 1-2 seconds between charges recovered it'd fix the issue

[devout finch]

Dash is kind of a get outta jail scott free card most of the time
We should be glad it only got a 1 sec nerf

[keen tangle]

Rerouting the conversation to quit the pointless bickering.

[hardy dust]

That would make it a LOT worse

[vale obsidian]

ay why you delete that msg brother xD

[fleet brook]

Winch should have a higher CD for grabbing players but a lower one for interacting with the environment

[fleet brook]

Dash charges feel oddly cheap to me ? Like I get them back as fast as I spend them mostly because I don't waste them

[devout finch]

Damn, muted role 💀

[radiant vapor]

xD

[fleet brook]

Also my team tries to reset between fights so usually I have my 3 charges back per fight

[hardy dust]

Since dash is so versatile, I find they're always on cooldown unless im about to engage

[radiant vapor]

that had to happen at some point this debate is on fire😅

[fleet brook]

I'm very niche with my dash charges unless I'm mid fight or right before guess it's different mindsets

[fleet brook]

I suffer hard from "I might need it later" syndrome

[radiant vapor]

yoo i just leveled up to rising star 👍

[hardy dust]

I just find they're really good in fights and for positioning, so I always use em

And having them full is useless unless im gonna engage

[vale obsidian]

what was his deal anyways?

genuinely cerious

[fleet brook]

True I use mine sometimes for poisoning but depending on weapon that's unneeded I use mine mostly for cover mid fight or mind games

[fleet brook]

1/2 of all light mains are cracked out kids who run on 3 monsters this is well known

[hardy dust]

So are walls

[fleet brook]

Dash also counters medium melee weapons but everyone forgets medium has those anyways

[hardy dust]

It's super easy to counter dagger in general

[fleet brook]

And coms/ having eyes

[hardy dust]

Well, so does running for 2/3rds of the classes. Medium's melees are just bad

[radiant vapor]

Delete the sniper?

Vote here

[hardy dust]

Medium doesn't have enough tools to close distance

[fleet brook]

I feel like even if medium had gap closers they're melee would be bad

[hardy dust]

Depends how effective they are

[fleet brook]

Mediums would also only want to close the distance on other mediums or lights

Getting closer to a heavy is usually stupid

Also in short I don't like

Very versatile things that make they're respective classes much easier

[hardy dust]

I don't mind em as long as they dont do too much.

[fleet brook]

I think winch having versatility is nice but people should be 'rewarded ' more for pulling objectives/ revive trophies rather than people with a shorter CD and pulling people having a longer one

[hardy dust]

Winch is an example of "doing too much" while also being really unfun

[fleet brook]

Light has one

Med (has/had) defib + old heal beam

Heavy has winch

[fleet brook]

Thing is people don't use it for its other purpose

[hardy dust]

Because it's basically a kill on cooldown if used on a player

[fleet brook]

I swear I'm the only winch user using it for teammates trophies enemies trophies and cash outs and boxes

[hardy dust]

That's like using rpg for destruction, it's quite useful, vut the sacrifice is too much

[fleet brook]

If you adjust the distance it drops players tho you kinda run into the old issue of melee heavy just kinda getting out spaced by everyone

[fleet brook]

The devs feel like they're balancing for how they want people to play they're game not how people are playing it if that makes sense

I thought you could because you could pull friendlies

[vale obsidian]

you can pull table behind the statue and move it that way

[radiant vapor]

ya especially because the cooldown is longer when you grab objects and not players

[fleet brook]

Swear I've used it on enemy trophies but I'm also 11 hours into a 12 hour overnight shift

[hardy dust]

Objects is shorter than players, but objectives is longer (I think)

[vale obsidian]

whaaat? im trying to be helpful here man

[fleet brook]

Pulling cashbox or terminal stations are classified as high value pools same as players or a bit higher

[radiant vapor]

oh interesting i thought it was the same for objectives and objects.... but i dont play winch anyways

should i give it a try?

[hardy dust]

Sure

[fleet brook]

If you want to use it for objectives it has fun combos like gravity cube+ pull

That's my combo you can completely reposition the cash box

[radiant vapor]

i main slege anyways so it might go well xD

[hardy dust]

Play whatever you want and ignore people who tell you not to

[fleet brook]

Honestly this game is alot more fun when you ignore the meta

Now people who run the meta will most likely win the 1v1 against you but you can be happy knowing they're trend chasers and are overly competitive

[hardy dust]

Just play whatever you find the most fun

Whether its meta or super niche

[fleet brook]

Tbf I've only run into 2 people who know you can shoot the gravity cube

[hardy dust]

People don't know that?

[fleet brook]

Also give gravity cube a shorter CD

[hardy dust]

That would be nice

[fleet brook]

It's a super niche tool I've been the only one to run it in a lobby for 15+ games sometimes

At this point I play around people assuming it's infinite

[hardy dust]

It has a lot of competition for heavy's gadgets

[fleet brook]

It's near bottom teir

As someone who uses it when people know it can shot out it last .2 seconds

[restive plover]

It is weird that is an actual object after being thrown as opposed to things like dome and sonar.

[hardy dust]

Yeah, sonar ought to be destructible aswell

[fleet brook]

That'd make more sense since it's alot more powerful

Gravity cube is a more creative tool and usually requires pre destruction already done to be super effective

[restive plover]

The little ball actually has health?

I have never seen this.

That's even more weird.

[hardy dust]

Sonar effects are not fun

[vale obsidian]

always feel like someone is around the corner when it beep lol

[hardy dust]

And they remove a skill aspect of ghe game

[vale obsidian]

i like fighting sonar sense ngl

more thing i can akle break

[hazy spear]

how about a weapon skin that makes it look like you're shooting enemies with Bobas from a bubble tea
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7ASjSMHt4M

[plush swift]

Yoo does anyone's aim snap and lock on a little bit more after the update on controller?

Feel like my xp54 just auto locks and when another target is nearby it immediately snaps to the other target aim assist feels really strong

[vale obsidian]

like this?

[plush swift]

Kinda but less when another target gets close it just snaps and I have to pull it back to the original target

[vale obsidian]

idk how lag can effect aim like that tho

[golden ice]

m60 with charge and slam(rambo style) or sledge/flame = winch best combos

[restive plover]

It has been a good while since iv played this game can someone give me a quick rundown of the current light meta and are swords still viable

[radiant flame]

I run sword DAILY and I say yes, sword is still viable but you'll need extra movement and more stealth. I run vanish bomb, sonar, then juggle between flashbang or glitch grenade. I feel like the best way to play light sword is have your buttons set up for secondary as your main attack and then melee ready. I have r2 as melee for controller to pull off dash and quick kills.

[restive plover]

ok cool so i can keep running what i was running is there any new tech for it or is it sill dash lunge quick melee

[sacred cypress]

Revert the Lewis gun and m60 they're almost unusable especially the lewis

[vale obsidian]

@shut bane unironically is not even a nerf lmao

you know how most mouse have a dpi button?

the only draw back is that having low in game sens and high dpi sens is that it make you pixel skip like crazy

[shut bane]

limit dpi for the weapon

[vale obsidian]

nah they can't really do that, the most they can do is limit turn rate which i don't have to tell you, gonna be played horriblily

[woeful tree]

dpi stands for?

[hexed tulip]

dots per inch

[woeful tree]

i dont use freedom units

please explain, bcz its probably smt i know but then with a more easy word

[hexed tulip]

For a mouse, DPI (dots per inch) measures the sensitivity of the device. It indicates how many pixels the cursor will move on the screen for every inch the mouse is moved physically. Higher DPI settings result in faster cursor movement, while lower DPI settings offer more precision and control. This can be adjusted to suit different tasks, such as gaming or graphic design.

(yes i used chatgpt)

[outer pebble]

DPI Freedom units?

[woeful tree]

i call it (mouse) sensitivity yeah

[midnight jetty]

did u know that lower dpi actually gives more inconsistencies because it gives the mouse sensor less information to update with

high dpi, low sense is the method 💪

[cursive robin]

What’s a good loudout for light weight

[shut bane]

deeps per i's

[placid ermine]

Did you know for light with the gateways you can throw stuff through them to the exit?

Do with this information what you wish

[vital hound]

door to door delivery of frag grenades

[boreal laurel]

XP-54 and M11 are meta; throwing knives are braindead easy; LH1 and V9S are harder but very viable. All three specs work well (even grapple, but no one believes it). My build:

XP-54/sword
Dash
Frags
Breach charge
Gadget of your choice (for me, thermal bore, pyro grenade, gas grenade, or goo grenade)

[placid ermine]

I always go meta and now honestly I'm starting to get bored of xp54 I suck with the knifes even if they are brain-dead ez

[boreal laurel]

I get it—I main sword anyway and only pull out the XP if I’m losing hard

[hardy dust]

Lh1 is the best light weapon and xp54 is very strong too

[woven bolt]

Played game on launch but back into it last couple days, are dual blades viable, love the idea of playing them but feel bit low dmg at times

[hardy dust]

They're arguably the worst weapon in the game 😭

[woven bolt]

Actually

[hardy dust]

Yeah, it's basically a worse riot shield most of the time

[woven bolt]

Damn, main things I like playing are that and the xp gun for light class, is that still good remember it was broken a while ago

[hardy dust]

Its still one of the best light weapons

The only one that's "better" is lh1

[woven bolt]

At the moment I use xp54 with cloak and then glitch nade, stun gun and gateway is that good

Watched a vid saying gayeways are good

[hardy dust]

Yeah, that's one of the best loadouts for light rn

Although stun and cloak both got nerfs

And glitch will explode on mesh shields + go through them but has 5s duration now

[timber idol]

i find the V9S to do quite well considering its decent damage and large magazine

[hardy dust]

V9s is pretty comparable to m11

[woven bolt]

Is the dash decent, feels quite good to use

[hardy dust]

Its good, but recently got a nerf

[woven bolt]

Guess I can use light for the world tour stuff and dual blades for chill casual matches

[hardy dust]

[boreal laurel]

Honestly as a dash main I’ll say it was unnecessary but really didn’t hurt that much

[hardy dust]

It was definitely unnecessary and it imo it's a pretty big nerf

[radiant flame]

Idk I agree with it not being a big nerf, it's just being more cautious on how many dashes you use consecutively. I run sword pretty much the same since the nerf

[arctic fog]

Can somebody explain exactly how weapon exp works bc it feels like it's taking me forever to reach lvl 6 on my main weapons.

Exactly it's taken me forever

[polar cove]

What nerf was it, idr anything about that

The last 2 rewards for levels look horrible imo, the triangle purple one is decent tho

[polar cove]

Lvl 6 takes about 5 times as much xp to reach as all the other levels iirc, even the levels after are less

See here, from 5-6 is a massive difference, then it slopes back down for the last two

[hazy loom]

Get that grind going!

[boreal laurel]

1 more second of cooldown

[polar cove]

Oh yeah, I remember now. I haven't actually felt any difference since it though

[pallid moth]

Why does glitch trap level up skin so quick?

[boreal laurel]

I think it’s because enemies tend to move into and back out of its range repeatedly, thereby glitching themselves multiple times in quick succession

[pallid moth]

True, gets it lots of hits

What about weapons are those based solely off of damage done or does it factor misses per match too?

[boreal laurel]

Not sure there, might be linked to combat score with that weapon or something

[misty pagoda]

Why does my heal beam just not work I can equip it and it’s not full bar but it doesn’t work at all

[shut bane]

mediums really need some fun gadgets tbh

mines and grenades are cool and all but

[eager wasp]

theres a glitch where it won't work for the entire game and the only way to fix it is leaving and rejoing if its wt, its been around for a while and yes

[lament mountain]

i think all the specializations should have a set of unlocks, even the ones with dye jobs

[polar cove]

Agreed

[marsh oasis]

hear me out... get a heavy and 2 lights, put c4 and as many mines that heavy has on a canister, then put turrets on them, and cover it mines, then... throw it (and most likely whiff and miss) at anyone you desire!!!

[lament mountain]

nukes. you're describing nukes. if i recall, they nerfed those. and also what turrets? in a team comp of HLL?

i want there to be a weapon for all three classes that's just Unarmed. additionally, i want each class to have some way of disarming their opponents, forcing them to also be Unarmed. to sort of balance it, anyone who is forcefully unarmed rather voluntarily will have better stats with their fists

[shut bane]

I would like mediums to get some sort of secondary gadget that isn’t a grenade or placeable

[low bobcat]

am i the only one who finds it annoying how you can't shoot when you're being pulled by a winch claw? it just feels like a guarenteed kill for the heavy

[lucid barn]

BUFF WINCH CLAW AND BUFF MEDIUM GRENADE LAUNCHER

[lucid barn]

Are they fixing it???

[eager wasp]

they fixed some of the causes, not all of them, do you have not a stable connection? i think thats one of the causes and its one of my main causes for it not working

[merry trail]

If you could shoot while being pulled, the Winch becomes pointless. If they immediately start firing back as soon as you Winch them they already melt half your health, depending on the gun.

[royal talon]

The r.357 is too difficult to use compared to what it offers. There is practically no situation where it is a better choice than another weapon. At close range, the Model is stronger; at mid-range, a FAMAS or any AR is stronger; and at long range, any AR is also way stronger. In my opinion, the changes needed are: increase the fire rate so the TTK (time to kill) makes it worth playing with only 6 bullets, making it a high-risk, high-reward weapon—if you don't miss, you'll get the kill. I would like to see a very little recoil pattern if you shoot on the maximum fire rate to make it hard to kill someone very fast from long range. At long range, it should deal much more damage (I think a maximum 30% damage loss would be sufficient, as it is very difficult to shoot accurately at a distance with this weapon).

[inland wagon]

Is flashbang good?

[pine grail]

Nah

[vale obsidian]

its great if you can use it correctly and creatively but that take too much brain power for the same value as any other gatgid

[heavy tusk]

flashbang is good if you can land it. You want to either toss it in the middle of a fight or do some slight prediction as to where an enemy is heading

[vale obsidian]

i don't use flash that much anymore but im sure it can be 100% very good

[lilac terrace]

it is fun though

[sacred cypress]

Revert the Lewis gun and M60 changes to the way it was. The gun was just fine, there was nothing wrong with it before. The emarald skin will be coming to the Lewis too, it makes no sense if its unplayable. - especially not with a ridiculous recoil pattern like this

[vale obsidian]

hook moment

[timber idol]

bro accepted his fate

[vale obsidian]

this time i will beat scotty record

[lucid barn]

I really hope they dont nerf the winch claw i would say its super balanced and i hope they buff the lewis gun

And buff the m60

[rocky aspen]

I think the game should let the player had 2 weapons with both their spe and their gadget and they should had solo shield for every one

[sand monolith]

💀

[vale obsidian]

would be very fun but its alot of balance rework for a balance team that didn't even nerf rpg seens the game laugh

[vale obsidian]

what are you smoking man?

[silk jungle]

Is it just me or are there more mines this season then ever before? like every match half the people (or at least mediums) are playing 4 to 6 mines

[vale obsidian]

question!

were you playing terminal attack?

[silk jungle]

dont play that a lot, but it feels like the mode doesnt really matter

[silk cargo]

how do i get a ton of xp for weapons, progress seems pretty slow

[boreal laurel]

At least it wasn’t like last S1 (I think it was)—so many gas mines that I took pyro grenade or flamer every match just to avoid choking to death. (Nowadays I still bring flamer and contribute to the mine problem myself 😎)

[opaque ocean]

theres no fast way to get xp with weapons. Just play them alot and you will get the xp

[vale obsidian]

bro season 1 cashout are always full of turrets and mines lmao

[loud girder]

I personally hate the defensive gadget crutch some teams use - ruins the pacing in some games when there’s 7 mines and 3 turrets to get through

[vale obsidian]

i personally don't mind it
they make themself a fish in a barrel for me to slowly sufficed them of rescores

grenade also give me bonus value in that situation and thats a huge plus

[silk cargo]

dang, im not even at level 5 with my xp

[hasty pivot]

Desert eagle for heavy 🗣📢🔥

[raw jetty]

Desert Eagle and a jump jet ability for Heavy 🥲

[hasty pivot]

I've never thought of that you're a genius tht would be cash nasty
Embark hire relic right now

What're you thinking with it like a double jump,inceeased jump
Some kind of hover
Im invested in this concept

[silk jungle]

yeah i guess, but the problem isn`t when they just fill the cashout room, as annoying as that may be. I just hate that whatever structure i enter there are mines at every entrance sometimes from multiple different teams and i die because i open a door without being able to even see the mine yk... If i wanted to play minesweeper i wwould just do that, i dont need the finals for that

[rocky rose]

is famas better or fcar

[feral surge]

pro use famas the normal use ak or facar

[rocky rose]

so if i can only afford one i should use fcar

[feral surge]

sure fmas is brust mode ，no for everyone

[wise briar]

Fcar better

Famas sucks as bcs it has no optic

[shut bane]

Remove fcar optic and attach a gl to it

[slow sage]

I love the Dana’s

Famas it auto corrected me

[wise briar]

The iron sight is ass. Too small for a weapon that relies on accuracy. Its suitable for a full auto like AK but a 3 burst? Its atrocious

[wise briar]

[slow sage]

I like the sight

I’m used to it

[wise briar]

Good for u i guess

[slow sage]

Yea I think it’s probably one of the best weapons on medium

[wise briar]

It does have the highest damage out of all the other assault rifles

[slow sage]

That why

[wise briar]

And i can easily block them all with dual blades

[slow sage]

Same with others

[wise briar]

In the end, there is no best weapon

Only pros and cons

[slow sage]

Fr

[austere patio]

When I play Goo Gun against sledge hammer i can goo them but when im in their swing range already they kinda speed up, ignore my goo and just hit me. Is that intended or a bug?

[solar marlin]

what is the advantage of using spear over hammer ?

[austere patio]

range and speed

[chilly solstice]

It’s intentional

They changed some of the animations on the melee to make them a bit faster while swinging

[fierce bolt]

what yall think of the flamethrower

[chilly solstice]

It’s fire

[fierce bolt]

i agree

[chilly solstice]

Quite literally

[fierce bolt]

been using it since season 2

[serene sapphire]

I haven't played in a few months. The flamethrower feels different, what's new with it?

[slow sage]

Fr😭

[slow adder]

famas is goated

[tropic glade]

Does anyone know why the reality check frag gremade skin is locked

[forest pebble]

Again, everybody is playing light . The finals light....

[boreal laurel]

I love it personally, it’s my main on heavy

[restive plover]

rat plays

[merry trail]

If it's two heavies that know what they're doing, Hammer always outclasses the Spear in terms of TTK. The Spear is best when it comes to multiple player fights and people who run. Hammer is best for single target focus

[near cairn]

game would be a 10/10 if snipers were removed

[hallow current]

-Ice bomb

-Healing bomb
*Ana nade from overwatch

-A MUTHA' FUKIN' amp matrix specialization for medium
+(For those who don't know, there is a healer in overwatch that puts up a "window", if you shoot through it, it boosts the damage of the bullet or projectile

-mini gun special for heavy
+Sombody keeps posting that

-Brass knuckles primary weapon for heavy
+Adds a small passive speed boost to the heavy to beat the shxt out of us lights 🤣🤣
++Speed boost applies to charge n' slam lmao

-Stim specialization for light players
+One use but "short" cooldown
++Increases health & speed for a short burst

-Dual Deagles primary weapon for heavies
+It's badass and funny

Just a few random ideas, share some of yours?

[pseudo pebble]

I have an Idea

Little healing gun for light
It would heal like 100 and can be used on yourself and teammates

[sly estuary]

What are you on it has the worst damage of all of them

[restive plover]

24 compared to the akm's 20 and the fcar's 22.

[sly estuary]

Seems a bit redundant and dumb also lights are already opressive enough with the latest updates

[sly estuary]

And the fire rate is like 10x slower lmao

[pseudo pebble]

Dam

[restive plover]

Not really. It kills mediums and heavies the fastest out of the three.

A bit slower on lights but you can two burst them if you land a headshot.

[fleet brook]

Range

[fleet brook]

The issue is it'd probably only be used on the light near resetting there health so they could chain fights or if it doesn't have a decent deploy time heal mid fight

[pseudo pebble]

Hmm

[north snow]

does the aps block gas from barrels now too?

[hardy dust]

No

[summer fable]

i honestly thing light's gadgets are too busted

nerf all of them please

[arctic fog]

Bruh

[dire crag]

REMOVE SNIPER FROM POWERSHIFT

[crimson wedge]

actual gripe about taser I wish it could pop dome shield and at least do massive damage to mesh shield along with interrupting/slowing down reloads. it just feels so useless but I don't want it to be reverted to what it was...

[wise briar]

Worse damage? Last time i check in game, its higher than Fcar. Are you fucking with me man?

[sly estuary]

bro damage from one bullet is not the same as dps dumbass

[wise briar]

I never even said that you moron

[sly estuary]

u never said that because u dont even know what it means 😂

a sniper is the highest damamge wweapon in the game. Does it win in close range fights against an fcar? no

[wise briar]

Lol you're dumb to think a sniper cant win in a close range combat because you've never seen what a pro sniper is capable of. Get your facts check

[thin osprey]

Chat what is the best gun for light

[eager wasp]

the best gun for light would be the sword gun

[restive plover]

Xp-54/lh1.

[bronze spade]

v95 or l1h1

xp54 is for the scrubs who cant aim

[hardy dust]

Xp is just a better gun
Lh1/xp is meta

V9s is abt equal to m11

[bronze spade]

your opinion

xp is trash, good range but less headshot potential

[hardy dust]

Xp is just really well rounded. It's enough to make it meta

Also the ranged dmg on it is pretty nutty

[bronze spade]

for individual targets

[hardy dust]

Well... yeah? You can only shoot one person at once...

[bronze spade]

the v95 does better at taking multiple targets

[hardy dust]

Ig it has more damage per mag but that's rarely useful compared to how consistent xp is

[crimson merlin]

Remove the F'ing SA1216 and replace it with a bloody USAS-12 even with the QM animation cancel it's booty

[bronze spade]

honestly if the xp had gotten a range nerf it wouldnt be as consistent

[crimson merlin]

A USAS-12 offers a better game play experience over the current filth

A full auto shotgun that can have a 10 round box magazine or a 20 round drum magazine

The 1216 would pale in comparison and be obsolete

Unless you are a masochist who loves to torture yourself

[bronze spade]

well thats the apex community in a nutshell

[crimson merlin]

And Warzone and R6S

[bronze spade]

apex because they cucked the titanfall franchise and charge you cosmetics that are $400

they nerf everything to the ground and the community berates you about a skill issue when the gunplay isnt good

im glad that even with this not so good balanced state, the gunplay is great

[crimson merlin]

Would you be down to replace the 1216?

[crimson merlin]

I miss titanfall

[crimson merlin]

Specifically with the gun I mentioned? Hell even the Saiga 12 is better as it's an Ak platform

[bronze spade]

they need to add in a quake rocket launcher

[crimson merlin]

Or we can even use the M4 platform full auto shotty

[crimson merlin]

I would prefer the M202 flash

[dreamy hare]

glitch mine now don't deny reviving?

[bronze spade]

a man of culture i see

[dreamy hare]

no they have, i remember it (i think)

[crimson merlin]

Yes

Embark hire me! I would only ask for $5,000 a month to write a whiteboard and notes filled to the brim woth good ideas and balance changes

[dreamy hare]

im asking for 3k and you can hire me, instead of him, even 2500

[crimson merlin]

Nah I'll do it for $350

[dreamy hare]

in addition i can be environment artist and make models

[dreamy hare]

you cant live in sweden for 350$ dude

[crimson merlin]

I can do that and add voice acting and better cosmetics and season passes

[crimson merlin]

In my country $350 let's you live normally

Especially since the army only pays $50 a month...

[dreamy hare]

in israel?

[crimson merlin]

Lebanon

Which is kinda why I need this job 😅

[dreamy hare]

why nickname on hebrew?

[crimson merlin]

Besides I got ideas that can make this game truly amazing

[crimson merlin]

I am Jewish ✡️

[dreamy hare]

jewish in lebanon really? interesting

[crimson merlin]

There are like literally only 30 to 40 of us

[dreamy hare]

ok this not a place for that discussion, lets talk about weapons
nerf throwing knifes please

[crimson merlin]

The knives aren't that bad though

[dreamy hare]

they need reloading, thats all

[crimson merlin]

Like the left click takes a bit to charge up and how would you reload a knife?

[dreamy hare]

for example bag with 6-8 knifes

[crimson merlin]

I was actually about to mention a satchel you read my mind lol

[dreamy hare]

yep

[crimson merlin]

But the thing is they would need to model a satchel for our character

[dreamy hare]

6-8 knifes, after he throw away a bag, and took another one, from behind

[crimson merlin]

Or he takes 6/8 out of a bag and closes it and it acts kinda like a Skyrim pocket storage lol

Every throw he then needs to reach in to get more

What about a boomerang weapon?

Or a metal orbs with magnetic glove weapon? You have 3 orbs floating around you and you can toss them and retrieve them from a distance

The boomerang is just a boomerang except it can make micro concussive knockbacks

But my main focus is the horrendous 1216 getting replaced with a USAS-12 or Saiga

The hell a spas 12 with dragons breath would be groovy

[bronze spade]

TK needs to go

[zinc solstice]

Did the devs mean to make it so the light sword can dash through you once every 1.2 seconds? This was on purpose?

[vale obsidian]

it can be desync, just like how you can die while moving behind a wall, you might also be able to walk throw the light when he's dashing

ofc this is just a guess

[bronze spade]

the devs should just abandon cash mode and focus on game modes like power shift

or make a hybrid

[deft sage]

no wtf

[bronze spade]

yes, cash out is extremely boring compare to the beta

[deft sage]

the whole game was made around cashout 😭

yeah cause they made horrible changes to it

[low kettle]

💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

[bronze spade]

exactly why

[vale obsidian]

don't waste your time dude

[bronze spade]

how is it insane?

whats insane is there hasnt been any balancing done in the past 2 + weeks and TA is the still the premire rank mode

the balance is atrocious to say the least, at least with the fcar meta there was coordination and team play

light is no longer skilled to play, there is no risk, the ttk makes up for your "low" health

[timber idol]

cashout is one of the reasons the Finals is so unique

[bronze spade]

its not the same cashout

[timber idol]

even if they changed it they coild change it back instead of deleting it

[bronze spade]

they took out a majority of live events and really dumbed it down

my biggest issue with cash out was at the last round where it feels either lopsided or predictable

[tacit hedge]

Here we go again

Just have good aim and they melt.

[bronze spade]

TK for example

[tacit hedge]

That's the only thing that actually needs a nerf

[bronze spade]

lh1 needs a damage drop off reduced as well, 100m is insane

easy weapon to use

[tacit hedge]

It's noob bait

[bronze spade]

its oppressive as well, headshot are not hard

[tacit hedge]

Doesn't matter how good you are it's over if there's one

I've seen a TK wipe teams more than i want to admit

[bronze spade]

its like the roles are reversed for med when going against a tk, get him first or you're screwed majority of the time

[pulsar cove]

⚠️Actually important feed back ⚠️

The 93R, if you want to make the 93R “The Fcar Pistol” than i recommend giving it a red dot

Like the “slimeline pro” in MWII / MWIII

It is a very popular sight for the pistol in that game and would make it easier to line up your shots

(Although the gun needs more bullet velocity)

[crimson merlin]

This is weapon feedback amd y'all are talking about game modes I STILL STAND F THE 1216 BRING ME THE USAS-12!!!

[bronze spade]

why light class already has good weapons

[bronze spade]

this is more better

[crimson merlin]

Thank you!

[bronze spade]

we need real shotguns

[crimson merlin]

A full auto shotgun that actually is worth a damn and doesn't need a slow rechamber

[bronze spade]

not toy knock offs

[crimson merlin]

The slug shotty is ass too and the lever action as well as the double barrel

The slug shotty should be a dragons breath spas 12, the double barrel should be a luftwaffe drilling that holds two slugs and a rifle round, and the lever action shotgun should be converted to a rifle

[vale obsidian]

full auto shotty would fill the same shish as semi auto shotty without any change in playstyle...

[bronze spade]

its too fun, they will complain

[crimson merlin]

We don't have a semi auto yet

[vale obsidian]

the quad barrel are basically it tho

[crimson merlin]

Lol true! Hell I mentioned an Idea for season five 1920's Chicago, Newyork, and alcatraz maps with new weapons a Thompson, BAR, and 1911

[bronze spade]

i want a good pump shotgun, not a winchester

[crimson merlin]

Then use the spas with dragons breath as the spas could be semi or pump

Or they could add a Remington

[bronze spade]

i want explosive weapons as well

[crimson merlin]

M202 flash, a 40mm automatic grenade launcher, and two non explosive a minigun and browning .50 cal

[crimson merlin]

Belt fed grenade launcher

[bronze spade]

browning .50 cal should go to heavy

[crimson merlin]

All of these are for heavy

[bronze spade]

make the lights get scared

we need to have the option to go shirtless as well with a bullet belt

[crimson merlin]

A break action china lake for the medium?

[bronze spade]

we have a gl already but its ass

[crimson merlin]

Yes! I wanna show my tats but we also need bad ass prosthetics

[bronze spade]

they missed the opportunity to put a deagle for light

[crimson merlin]

I think a rework would be nice to give us a primary and secondary...

Because the amount of times I haved been f'ed due to my gun running out