💣┇weapons-gadgets

[vale obsidian]

don't know how he do it but he did

[cunning kettle]

bros trying to recreate "dead go boom"

[vale obsidian]

WAIT I JUST REALIZE He also muching on it lmaoooooo

[pliant steppe]

Anyone saying the TK are balanced is an idiot or a liar.

[shut bane]

The TK are balanced

[ashen slate]

VERY balanced

[elfin mantle]

How are you meant to play dagger on console

[silk cargo]

hi sens? or just skill

[swift pivot]

there melee aim assist i think

[fleet brook]

I utilize what I call rat like gameplay

[vale obsidian]

I heard it fck you over something so most good dagger turn it off

[sudden oak]

SMG for medium! UMP-45 would be perfect as a slow firing, high damage variant for short/medium ranges

[hardy dust]

Melee aim assist is only worth it for qm with guns

It screws over actual melee weapons most of the time

[swift pivot]

or a mp4

[sudden oak]

no

[swift pivot]

?

[vale obsidian]

we already have that on light, we can't just copy paste it on medium

[swift pivot]

or the mp5 i frogot which one it was

hol up let me find it

[vale obsidian]

it still can't look alike to our light smg tho

[swift pivot]

found it

mp7

[cunning kettle]

aim assist for dagger sucks

[sudden charm]

Hey

What does aps turet do??

Kk

Thanks

[eager wasp]

blocks throwables as well as rpg shots, the cl40 rounds and mgl rounds

[vernal raft]

For the next season they should go with another old ear theme like the 1920’s-30’s mafia theme

[restive plover]

What about Rome tho? I want my femboy clothing fr fr

[swift pivot]

MP7

[wind lintel]

what if riot shield had a stronger passive heal when holding rmb, dunno how balanced that would be but it seems like an interesting idea

[swift pivot]

i think it would be better to have damage resistance

feels more realistic

[wind lintel]

yeah i was thinking about that but riot shield already shields the front except the feet and resistance is dual blades gimmick

[swift pivot]

it feels like riot shield could use a buff tho

hol up

maybe riot shield could be reworked to have a larger size so it covers the front but has damage vulnerability on the back when raised

[spark igloo]

you arent

[long valve]

allow bow drawing while invisible

[vale obsidian]

yeah they need to increase the shield hit box, but not the shield model itself tho it'll look funny cliping throw the floor

[main cove]

Thank you Embark for the 93R buff I like it so far.

[hollow notch]

Or ww2 themed? With new weapons like M1 garand or atleast skin

[lilac terrace]

Observe. A man after chugging 12 cans of Opuze.

[sacred cypress]

embark can u pls reduce the lewis recoil and just revert the m60 and lewis changes pls

[hallow leaf]

The damage changes for them was good, they now have around the same ttk as mediums ARs

[sacred cypress]

yeah but its far less inconsistent with the recoil, at one point it was so bad i ended up maining spear and when i use medium i constantly outplay them

[hallow leaf]

Then fix the recoil but dont touch their damage

[sacred cypress]

yeah pretty much that

[hallow leaf]

I see no reason why the lmgs should be better then the ARs again considering heavies have 100 more health and 2 no skill op items, free 130 damage at least from charge and free 140 from rpg which both need a major nerf

[sacred cypress]

C&S def needs a nerf thats agreeable, rpg is often situational so long as ur close or in cover ur good, maybe they could add a laser sight as a warning to indicate that the heavies aiming at u, but the recoil pattern in both lmgs, especially the lewis needs to be dealth with becasue it becomes practically unsusable

[hallow leaf]

Rpg either needs a major damage nerf or a slower projectile

[vale obsidian]

i would agree, if randomly getting hit with 140 damage out of no where is fun 😐

[hazy spoke]

Dagger litteraly doesnt connect anymore

[soft juniper]

taser need a longer cooldown

its way to short for what it can do I see why lights are able to just use it willy nilly

[paper schooner]

I find it really stupid on the devs part that the mp5 does more damage then all ar and pistols

[tulip portal]

In my opinion i think they need to entirely rework the Taser by making it last 2 seconds but the tased person can't shoot or move in those 2 seconds and it should have a 1 minute cool down

[soft juniper]

no just a longer cooldown

[sacred cypress]

thats broken, the light ttk is faster plus they have dash

[crimson venture]

why arent the disson swords from the community event available yet??

[paper schooner]

And by the way do a major nerf to melee there is no reason melee should do 280 damage like embark are you trying to piss people off

Bc it’s working

[soft juniper]

you do know melee people have to get in close to you right? thats more of a challenge then you think if you ever touched a melee weapon

Most players use Guns in this game if you gona cry about melee players killing you then you need to start planing for them

[paper schooner]

That’s still stupid

If I bring a knife to a gun fight I’m obviously going to die

[soft juniper]

Clearly you are dying to the Knife if your complaining about it

[paper schooner]

I say nerf bcccc for some dumbass reason when light use sword and dash it does more damage which it’s not suppose to

[soft juniper]

Sword + dash is for extra range not damage

[paper schooner]

280 is wayyyy too much

Dude I tested it with a friend it does more damage

[soft juniper]

Dash does not add to the damge

[paper schooner]

Like cmon y tf would I lie make it make sense

[soft juniper]

Because I’m a sword dash main it does not add more damage

[paper schooner]

How about this next time I’ll take a picture and show it then your going to be like whaaaa how that’s not suppose to be in the game whaaaa maybe this maybe that when in fact it’s maybe it’s bc the devs don’t ’em know what they are doing

Like I said I have no reason to lie

[soft juniper]

By “dash” so you mean “evasion dash” or the “sword lung”

[paper schooner]

Like it’s even more stupid that you think more that word btw think that I’m lying like wtf is wrong with you do you not have common sense in you dude or are you a female

Both when combined does more damage

[soft juniper]

Dash does not add to damage

[paper schooner]

I literally went into a private match and tryed to debunk it

I just got out of the lobby you know what I don’t got time to argue with someone who doesn’t care that fixes be made so ima just be quiet and let someone else say it

Like dude the game is trash ok it’s not going to be good until like maybe season 5

[soft juniper]

Sword lunge + quick melee = dead light
Sword lunge + quick melee + auto attack = dead medium
Sword lunge + quick melee + 2-3 auto attack = dead heavy

[soft juniper]

If your not having fun you can always uninstall and go play a different fps?

[paper schooner]

Dude like I said b4 the game is trash 🗑️ ok even YouTubers but ottr won’t play it

[restive plover]

@paper schooner think it’s a casual/hardcore player thing
Casuals think it’s OP cause of TTK & teams discoordination
Hardcore players knows it’s balanced/underpower cause your team has to have near perfect coordination, refrag the melee users* death, and force your other two teammates to bring hitscan weapons severally reducing flexibility in a team

[paper schooner]

The hitscan is the game is trash some people on YouTube even said and revealed that this game hitscan is trash

[restive plover]

It’s a positon / area control in high rank and a slightly stronger weapon in low rank

That’s just battlefield gunplay, the devs are former battlefield dev

[soft juniper]

I honestly want Melee weapons to be buffed so they can be see more in the competitive side of the game

[restive plover]

Then the casuals will complain, if you nerf the hardcore will complain

[soft juniper]

(I mostly just want to see a major meta shift)

[paper schooner]

Yeah a game that’s trash 🗑️

[soft juniper]

So if you think this game is trash why do you still play?

[paper schooner]

Like cmon no one plays bf2042

[restive plover]

The only reason casuals hate it is cause of audio sounds, noobs don’t recognize sound, only visuals.
Casuals won’t notice until the big red arrow says “hey you’re being attacked”, and they’re already dead at that point because they’re using melee*
Hardcore already recognize audio sound and know to back away from said audio sound negating melee effectiveness in combat (outside of being a zoner)

[restive plover]

I think they’re BF1 / BF4 if I’m not mistaken

[paper schooner]

Bc cod is trash with alot of other games let’s be honest here they just want our money video games arnt fun any more

[restive plover]

Dice right?

[soft juniper]

Then stop playing if you believe this problem solved read a book and you can finally touch grass let me know how it feels or tastes

[paper schooner]

I say these things for major improvements not trolling you have to have someone to talk bad for the game to be good

[soft juniper]

But you clearly don’t play it enough to have understand that melee is not over powered

[paper schooner]

But rn the game in its current state is trash 🗑️ I should be able to click play and not have to wait 3 mins when it’s 2 am there should be alot more people on if the game is fun but it’s not

[paper schooner]

I’m diamond rannk what are you talking about

[soft juniper]

If your Diamond you should not be complaining about melee

[restive plover]

I think most players are former battlefield players, who are majorly people who are employees / workers. No one stays up late and go to work the next day. Most time I hear people talk in game it’s majorly dads/moms who have work tomorrow trying to relax

[paper schooner]

Everyone complains about something

[restive plover]

They’re adults who have a job, they will not stay up past midnight to play videogames when they have work in the morning

[soft juniper]

And so you choose melee? Something that’s barely on the board

[restive plover]

Idk why you queue at 2am, it’s only kids playing at that time who are currently enjoying summer break

[paper schooner]

Dude I work nights lol and half of alot of people make money at home what are you talking about like dude DO YOU REsearch plzzzzzz

[soft juniper]

I have today off so I stayed up but now I’m just losing brain cells

[paper schooner]

People that stay up is not loosing brain cells you make no sense and it’s a sign of a genius trait

[restive plover]

Oh, I believe most of the player base are Americans, kids are currently in summer break with no school they can stay up late. But most of the player base are people who work 9-5

[soft juniper]

Ok how about you get this main issue out of the way @restive plover “does evasion dash make sword lunge do more damage”

[paper schooner]

Yes

[restive plover]

No? Just makes you close the distance quicker

[paper schooner]

I was in a game and tested it out like 30 mins ago

[paper schooner]

Mf I would not lie about this saying no make the game worse 😡😡😡😡😡😡

[soft juniper]

@paper schooner told you

[restive plover]

• Hold heavy
• Dash in
• Swing (140)
• Dash out
• Hold heavy
• Dash in
• Swing (140)

The only one who can eat a whole spec is heavy, even then light has movement and medium/heavy has sustain to out TTK

[restive plover]

Show video, is your game bugged? If so how old is the video

[paper schooner]

Like you know what y’all not going to see it until you do then it will be too late then again people that die a painful death never listen so go on idc your going to die b4 me

[restive plover]

The sword exploit got patched months ago I think you think of that

[paper schooner]

If my game is bugged meaning the game it self that means the devs don’t know wtf they are doing 🤦‍♂️

And no it didn’t

[restive plover]

Do you play light medium or heavy

[paper schooner]

I play what ever

[restive plover]

If you play light you’re thinking of H.attack + quick elbow

[paper schooner]

If I see wrong ima say it’s wrong tf I need to lie about something for

[paper schooner]

Heavy’s are slowwwwwww

[restive plover]

That does 180, heavy attack 140 + quick elbow 40 = 180

[paper schooner]

We are talking about the class that the dumbass devs don’t know what to do with

You know the one that had grapple with sniper like what dumbass decides to give a class a sniper that they can get up high fast asf and the other classes have a huge disadvantage that’s what I mean when I say there needs to be huge changes there should be no fucking reason that a small character in a game should have a powerful gun with broken abilities

lol no they didn’t they said they was with invis but you still can’t see them still like they could have have a effect on it that shows oh this person is invis and it only stops when you stop now that’s a proper way to patch a broken ability but ofc the dev can’t think key word think of something like this

And with the sniper if your game to put a sniper in a game it don’t matter what it is make that mf hard asf to use but with high reward tf

Pistols they are fine all of them so are the shot guns

Dude I have a 300 dollars tv plz stop it ok

Like omg someone work with me like it’s like I’m saying stuff and y’all like nah your trippin that can’t be it like dude I’m not just saying this stuff for my joy I want everyone to have fun and for these brain dead devs to see where they messed up

I bet everyone forgot how they took away mediums battle sense away and gave it to light like wtf😡😡😡

Like I said b4 embark if you see this message your fuckinnh up ok go back to the drawing board bc you missed something and someone much have erased something bc this game is not it bro I rather play warface then this at lease there guns and classes are balanced 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[restive plover]

Battle sense?

[reef sage]

Has anyone noticed that CL40 now does no damage? Like at all? I know, they changed how the explosion damage is calculated but it seems to me that it made a lot of explosive weapons and gadgets literally useless

[restive plover]

I haven’t played since the explosion update but I think it’s more punishing if you miss, more rewarding if you’re close, and same if you hit directly

[reef sage]

I did a few tests on the practice range and it's really bad looking

They at least should consider increasing AOE range

[restive plover]

Is the practice range not bugged with explosions

Don’t quote me but I swear on somewhere I saw someone say “explosions bug ONLY in the shooter range”

[reef sage]

Honestly, I've no idea. All I know that it bit me in the ass when I tried to play with it, couldn't kill even the damaged light

[bronze spade]

no you're being melodramatic, what they need to do is slow the throwing knives and give the l1h1 to the med class to compete with the sniper

dash is still very much vaible now you have to time when you are going to activate it

the irony

med doesnt have anything at long range

skill issue

season 1 is shaping up to be peak for this game

[restive plover]

I think they meant a rapid fire semi weapon, a nerfed lh1 to med

To adjust for 150>250 user

[bitter lake]

bro is smoking crack mentioning a dead P2W game and balancing in the same sentence

[bronze spade]

yep because you cant just quick scope and melee a medium at point blank range

or two shot a med with knives

but no light class is nerfed

[hazy spoke]

revert dash nerf its so fcn unneccesary

[bronze spade]

revert fcar

[pine grail]

93r good?

[cyan rover]

Why is flamethrower hitting thorugh the Mesh Shield? It doesnt block anything

[fleet veldt]

Pls clown skin

[rough carbon]

I'd rather they give the medium the sniper rifle

[mellow gazelle]

So now that health Regen caps were raised in TA can we bring the cl40 back to 110 damage?

[hallow leaf]

Please no, leave that annoying no skill weapon where it's at

[radiant vapor]

just bring an aps and watch them cry

[mellow gazelle]

It was one of the slowest medium TTK guns in the game and now it’s even worse. If you think it takes no skill it shows you never knew how to use it

[hallow leaf]

I have used it, and I still believe it takes no skill,

[mellow gazelle]

Reading comprehension. I said you never knew how to use it. Not if you’ve used it

[hallow leaf]

It's not hard to use, wdym

[boreal laurel]

Yes PLEASE

[mellow gazelle]

To use it well it takes skill. Hitting direct shots or long range shots

[mellow gazelle]

Only blocks 3 shots not a big deal

[hallow leaf]

Direct shots should be it's main thing, since it breaks on impact, imo the cl-40 should do better destruction damage and good direct hit damage but little to no area damage and the mgl should basically be the reverse, great area damage since it requires one bounce

And at 93 damage per shot the cl-40 is in a okay spot ATM

[boreal laurel]

Ehh…still the weakest med weapon after dual blades. I’d even take riot shield over the GL (which I do routinely)

[hallow leaf]

The only reason I can see people complaining about the cl-40 is because they are going for splash damage and not direct hits

[brittle yoke]

93r good?

[mellow gazelle]

I didn’t rely on splash damage but cl40 feels awful in 1v1’s against anything other than light. I used it since season 1 but had to drop it in season 3. It’s better to run literally anything else

[hardy dust]

Nope

[plush shale]

They "buffed" the 93R and it somehow feels even worse lmao

[ashen hawk]

its meant to be a pea shooter lol

[thick summit]

i am new to the game which is the best light weapon?

[hardy dust]

Lh1/xp-54

[ashen hawk]

well bro with the lob trajectories and slow reload speeds and fire rates, we can only rely on splash

[thick summit]

ty

[hardy dust]

Xp is easier to use

[ashen hawk]

xp54, m11, and if u like sniping alot go for the sniper

[hardy dust]

M11 is only better up close and sniper isn't very good in 3v3 modes unless you're very good at quickscoping

[thick summit]

ok

[cunning kettle]

if you are playing a 3v3 gamemode, please dont use sniper and play 100m away from your team

[civic cairn]

Um... Isn't that the point of the sniper rifle?

[cunning kettle]

if they have bore and can actually contribute to the team, i guess

but most of the time they just make the other people on the team play a 2v3

[civic cairn]

Ahh, that's thinking to linearly. You must remember that you can get a lot of support damage with the sniper, to help keep presure on sight lines and angles to suppress the enemy

There is a lot more the engagements than the 1 on 1 fights between 2 people

[hardy dust]

The problem is that its really easy to just force a fight outside of the sniper sightline

And there's a lot of ways to make cover

[civic cairn]

That's the skill part of it, the positioning

[vital forge]

I main heavy charge & slam, playing w/light snipers used to infuriate me until I started playing support for the sniper. Opening lines of sight on cash outs and fights makes it a 3v3 even with snipers

[hardy dust]

Yeah, but you gotta move a lot more just to get a slightly better sightline at 100m out

And all the enemy has to do is move a couple meters -> you gotta move like 10x the amount

[vital forge]

Even good snipers are pretty easy to deal with because they can't do shit if they can't see you. All you have to do is keep their line of sight in mind.

[wary adder]

let me say that the sniper belongs to medium

[fleet brook]

Snipers aren't op (in the main mode) they're just super annoying

Now in power shift they're cancerous and in TA they're super annoying but no one should play those modes

[thick summit]

also is the gateway any good?

[fleet brook]

Good for repositiong and engaging

[wary adder]

its mid

[fleet brook]

If you're standard light upward mobility is on CD or you can make retreats through floors

[cunning kettle]

probably best light gadget imo

[fleet brook]

It's based off its users skill with it

[wary adder]

and tp,ing the box to a cashout

[little nexus]

I think medium should get a teleporter of some type like engineer from tf2

[cunning kettle]

place one next to a cashout if you want to play away from it, teleport cashboxes, place one before a fight to escape

also you can do funny stuff

[wary adder]

how about a on demand propane tank

[cunning kettle]

throw a gateway into a room full of people and start spamming nades through it

gateway + stungun is insane in terms of cashout defense

and both are useful on their own

[thick summit]

i also use the thermal bore but i feel like there are better gadgets i can use

[little nexus]

Instead of thermal bore I suggest glitch nade

If you have a heavy in your team then he basically is the thermal bore

[cunning kettle]

^ glitches are insane against healbeam and heavy sheilds

[thick summit]

i have that i was thinking maybe like a sonar grenade

[cunning kettle]

if you use sonar, keep glitches in reserve in case theres a ton of heal beams

[little nexus]

Sonar grenade is a valid choice when playing as light but you could also use gateway because it’s an better and easier escape then evasive dash

[cunning kettle]

also check the leaderboard in the setup phase so you know how many heavies there are

[thick summit]

thanks

[cunning kettle]

1. they can follow you through it
2. you need to set it up beforehand
3. 40 second cd

[little nexus]

That’s why when using a gateway if they do follow you then you’ll be ready and you have an advantage because they’ll be blinded by the bright lights the finals has for no reason

[cunning kettle]

the other two downsides:

[little nexus]

40 seconds is like nothing In the finals and setting it up beforehand takes zero skill so if you somehow mess that up then you should never play again

[cunning kettle]

also dash is faster

[thick summit]

with gateway you do move further away though

[cunning kettle]

even underhand throw on gateway will take long enough for anyone with half decent aim to finish you off

[little nexus]

Dash only has 3 charges and after that mediums can easily gun you down

[cunning kettle]

dash to cover

dont just dash away in a straight line

[little nexus]

That’s fair

The lights I see always dash in straight lines

[cunning kettle]

the lights i fight against dash all over the place

[little nexus]

My favorite thing to do though is use the dagger with the pencil skin equipped and become John wick

Whenever I fight a controller player they always try to quick melee me but they can’t turn around fast enough, it’s pretty sad to watch

[thick summit]

what if use the dash the gateway and the vanishing bomb?

[little nexus]

Every annoyed streamer will call you the “average” light main

[cunning kettle]

if you use vanish, make sure you underhand throw it when on flat ground

[fleet brook]

Takes are usually just personal preferences

Like i think if the sniper was never invented the game would be better for it or if it had bullet drop

No matter how much I climb no matter how much I play I'll never enjoy fighting against a sniper

[rain forge]

candid moment set, in the shop @sharp mauve

[raw cove]

Any good counters for snipers on power shift? As a light main, I always get one shot while pushing the platform, and my tiny brain can’t think of anything except for smoke, which is only a solution for about 10 seconds

[cunning kettle]

play heavy

[raw cove]

Makes sense.

[cunning kettle]

heavy dominates power shift imo

-barricades and shields(mesh and dome)
-aoe damage(flamethrower, rpg, c&s, and spear secondary)

[candid prairie]

When are they going to nerf the throwing knives or at least put a cool down on them

[cunning kettle]

or just play sniper and shoot them before they shoot you

[raw cove]

That won’t be happening, my aim is dogsh*t

[cunning kettle]

play invis shotgun and spawn camp them

[raw cove]

That could work too. I think I’ll play a couple rounds as heavy (I’ve really only played heavy 6 or 7 times) and see where I’ll go from there. Thanks

[ornate pike]

Hopefully soon

[timber idol]

i hate throwing knives with a burning passion

[hazy spoke]

how can you not nerf tk

nerf the dmg duuuude wo way there is a 150 per shot when not all bullets are headshots

[ornate pike]

theyre awful and i despise them.

[timber idol]

they are so annoying

especially when paired with dash and stun gun

[languid coyote]

Anybody know if the community event reward for the dual blades has been given out yet?

[hazy spoke]

burning 40 damage when getting hit from the flamethrower is even as mad but the current whinch claw into save hammer hit into rocket launcher tactic is the most frustrating thing after tk. Who on earth thought that it is fair that the heavy survives it when he rockets launches himself there is nothing less rewarding

[ornate pike]

It's like being hit with an rpg but they decided that it wasn't enough so they struggle snuggle you too

[timber idol]

i love the finals so much but the balancing with the weapons and gadgets is so bad

[echo birch]

each has its ups and downs but what would the majority say is better, the ak or the fcar?

[timber idol]

akm is arguably bettee

it has higher ammo and damage than the fcar in return for slightly lower accuracy but i think it is worth it

[echo birch]

yea once you can lazer with it, is the heavy multiplier a big difference?

[restive plover]

The what multiplier?

[echo birch]

heasdshot* mb idk why i typed heavy

[restive plover]

They both have the same headshot multiplier.

[timber idol]

i believe the akm has a higher fire rate so it is also better in emergency up close situations if you are caught off guard

i may be wrong though

[restive plover]

imo, this weapon have no sense. XP54 or V9S are better option

All weapon data is here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ud7Rdl3AgMw9mmfDwW2LtDMnzZQ9IIhnqSE4ivsaMTs/edit?usp=drivesdk

Overall the akm is better. More ammo and basically identical time to kill to the scar. It starts and ends its damage falloff earlier but at max range it's the same dynamic again.

[timber idol]

also has better skins imo

[echo birch]

big ty 🙏

[restive plover]

You should also try out the famas, well worth it if you can get over it being a burst weapon.

[timber idol]

im not a fan of its iron sights though i find it hard to shoot my opponent

[restive plover]

Simply use external crosshairs.

[echo birch]

any suggestions on where to get one?

[timber idol]

im a console player 😔

[jagged sand]

y nerf dash

[jagged sand]

i believe u promoting a bannable offense

[echo birch]

is it really?

[timber idol]

i think dash is mostly fine its mainly throwing knives that need to be nerfed

[restive plover]

https://tenor.com/view/you-too-loud-rn-can't-win-shut-up-gif-5469559028242945131

[restive plover]

Crosshairs V2 is free and crosshairs X is about 8 dollars, both on steam.

But you can also just use clear tape and a sharpie dot.

[echo birch]

alr ill have to look at them, idk how it would be bannable it would be like an overlay same a discord and others

[long valve]

bow drawing+invisibility 🙏

[timber idol]

ig because it gives you an advantage some other players cant get

[echo birch]

yea ig,

[ornate pike]

i hate that you can't be invis whilst using the bow. annoying asf

[restive plover]

It's a quality of life improvement at most.

[timber idol]

still an unfair advantage though

for example, i cant get one

[hardy dust]

You could put tape in the middle of your screen

[timber idol]

id rather not put tape on my monitor

i also dont have a sharpie

[echo birch]

ye same, i like my monitor lol

[hardy dust]

But you could technically do it

[echo birch]

ik im not saying your wrong

[timber idol]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hardy dust]

Its stupid but still...

[echo birch]

rust players lol

[timber idol]

its a bit much effort and also id have to remove it if i want to play other games

[long valve]

this, idk why u cant do it it makes no sense and i will continue to ask for it

[zinc kiln]

Don't worry, just use like 2m of pipes, 3 clamps, a crap load of tape and some clingfilm to make the most atrocious stand ever that blocks half of your view when you try use it like I did once XD

[timber idol]

lmao

[zinc kiln]

I mean it worked but my god it shouldn't have

[timber idol]

i think using the built in crosshairs and sights in the finals are perfectly fine

[tawdry canyon]

Heavy
Winch Hook, Flamethrower, RPG, Explosive mine, Dome shield

Still pretty hard to dominate match. Flamethrower isn't even op when ur enemies know how to play..

[candid prairie]

Fr bro so tired of them 😪

[polar trout]

So having an auto clicker up makes my game turn off cuz it detects third party software running, does the game not notice those?

[fleet brook]

Third party systems that people don't have access to for an advantage (altho minor) in game is still cheating

[hardy dust]

I never said it wasnt cheating, just that anyone can tape a crosshair to their screen

[fleet brook]

It's the dbd shaders argument except the devs actually had a proper take

[fleet brook]

Auto clickers plus light pistol would be absurd

[hardy dust]

Its capped

[fleet brook]

Yeah but it'd pump out damage faster than the average person can click

[hardy dust]

They don't enforce it at all

[hardy dust]

You need less than 8 cps, which is pretty average

[fleet brook]

I've never seen anyone or heard of anyone being banned for cheating but I've only faced like 3 blatant cheaters

[hardy dust]

Its more that you dont give yourself arthritis by 30

[polar trout]

Sadly it didn't have any effect, except to act kinda like the cei-riggoti's auto mode in bf1. Since it's not my input to fire, it messed up my aim a bit yk

[fleet brook]

Yeah

[restive plover]

I've been running with them for a while

[fleet brook]

Real gamers back in my day accepted there hand problems for using semi autos damn kids

[hardy dust]

I dont use auto clicker

[fleet brook]

It'd make sense that namas strongest soldier would use a minor cheat tbf

[restive plover]

I'm not sure how to feel about that.

[polar trout]

Aight

[polar trout]

W pfp I used to be kq till one of my friends asked me to match

[hardy dust]

Surely yoshikage kira himself would want his hands to be in pristine condition

[languid coyote]

I gotta say I think cloak has overstayed its welcome in this game. It's not really overpowered but in my experience it's not fun to either use or fight against.

They should replace it with something more creative, in the same vein as medium getting dematerializer instead of recon senses.

[restive plover]

This is true.

[fleet brook]

Recon senses was replaced because it was just free wall hacks

[languid coyote]

Imagine lights being able to send decoys like Mirage from apex legends. Way more creative than cloak, more skill based and reliant on timing and placement. More opportunity for fun plays. Best part is, lights can still cloak with the vanishing bomb, just to a lesser degree

[fleet brook]

It also probably made finding and detecting cheaters harder

[languid coyote]

That's a great point

[hardy dust]

Would probably be shit, like every holo image in games

Cloak is hard to get value out of and rewards skill

[languid coyote]

😭 True it never pans out does it, what would you suggest

[fleet brook]

I'm shocked this game doesn't have a decoy grenade that makes it sound like there's a gun fight or someone running on a timer or button click

[languid coyote]

Can't say I agree on that

[fleet brook]

All of lights specials are currently themed around movement so a Lucio buff (for themselves) where they drink a can of ospuze and go at like 50% extra speed for 10 seconds could be fun

(I've played too much scout from TF2)

[languid coyote]

Broo I thought of that too, would be so fun. But then I thought about how there's already so much complaint about light's dash and speed making it harder to hit them

[fleet brook]

It could give them speed and double jump (basically scouts cola)

[echo birch]

that would be sick af to see

scout cola with light shotty

[hallow leaf]

yeah no... lights dont need any more speed

[restive plover]

Whats the meta build for medium?

[hardy dust]

heal + defib, jump, zip/glitch

ak/fcar/famas are all about the same, model is very strong but you'll have to manage reload with heals

[restive plover]

ty

[spark igloo]

they really aint

[old anvil]

shotty med good?

[spark igloo]

its the best medium weapon

[vapid furnace]

whats are some good combos for light?

[fleet brook]

Utility simulator

[fleet brook]

Melee or ranged or sniper

[restive plover]

That is what the class does.

[crystal garnet]

If you use flamethrower you're a shitter. thats all

[fleet brook]

How many times did you die to flamethrower last match

[silver wadi]

sorry but too many lights dashing behind me and then to the left and then to the right

sometimes I just spin in 360 holding fire down

[copper axle]

Holding w and lmb must be fun

[silver wadi]

left stick and right bumper*

[hallow leaf]

sounds like every throwing knife user

[copper axle]

Top 2000 s1/2 sword main

[silver wadi]

but tbh flamethrower isn't that OP is it? I mean I think it's in a good spot. it doesn't have a quick TTK

you have to use cover and take advantage of the passive burn

[copper axle]

It’s not op there’s just no skill involved for the amount of dps it’s literally just hold rt/lmb and walk forward

[silver wadi]

well there's always going to be low skill floor and high skill floor weapons.... and tbh it is hold lmb and w in the right situations

[copper axle]

Yea but there’s no skill involved for the amount of dps your getting out of it

[silver wadi]

but there are plenty of times when a cashout is in the open, and using short range weapons requires skill to get you into that position where you are op

[autumn pine]

Can anyone talk abt how the shotguns Re way too op

Medium shotguns

For clarification

[silver wadi]

not every weapon has to require a high level of skill. there will always be inherently "easy" weapons, they shouldn't be weaker by design.
it's like the ks23, I love the thing but w/l ratio on that thing is atrocious. and yet I'm tempted to get that new skin for it xD

[hallow leaf]

i was refering to the hold lmb and w, idgaf about your rank

[rain isle]

What's a good wepon for the light build ?

[small flicker]

theyre all pretty good imo

[tidal sentinel]

can i say, i still ahte the small knives

[small flicker]

totally fine, i use them because i think the fire rate is a little too high and so i want to get as much fun before a nerf happens

[tidal sentinel]

why do they hate mediums tho. large and smalls get all the love

[small flicker]

mediums have the best gadget in the game tho, defib

[tidal sentinel]

idcccccc

[small flicker]

idk i think heavy is boring, ive recently just quit playing heavy altogether bc ive stopped having fun playing as one

maybe im just salty that i get paired up with teammates in world tour who suck

[tidal sentinel]

you shoulkd j play w me

[fleet brook]

Meds shotgun has the most range is the only issue and hits hard

[fleet brook]

Medium's gadgetry is the best in the game and makes them have really good value

[tidal sentinel]

i only use med

[fleet brook]

Meds value is more complicated then

My gun good I run around taking 1v1s

Or

Beeeg target with big health and sheilds

S1 medium gadgetry was amazing tho

[tidal sentinel]

med is just balanced

[fleet brook]

Yup and people find balance boring

[hardy dust]

Med shotgun is strong enough that a nerf would be justified, but it doesn't need one

Nerfs should go to actual issues like heavy's free win buttons

[hallow leaf]

AGREED

but if they do nerf the model i would say nerf its range that it

[hardy dust]

Yep, its fine up close it's just the range is really strong

[hallow leaf]

but knowing that these devs dont know how to balance they will nerf its damage

[hardy dust]

Or ignore and nerf light again 💀

This game's balance could be great if they didn't listen to all the bad players

[hallow leaf]

light still needs some nerfs, looking at you fucking throwing knives

[hardy dust]

Throwing knives needs a rework, a nerf would just make em shit and back to when they were bad

[hallow leaf]

they need an ammo count

[hardy dust]

At this point, people are gonna complain about tk no matter how bad they are

[hallow leaf]

and stun gun needs nerfed or given to med, with how strong lights weapons are they dont need stun gun

[hardy dust]

Stun gun is fine, it's like light's 3rd best gadget

Its not very hard to counter if you have a gun

[hallow leaf]

my issue is stun just isnt fun

its not fun on stun gun and its not fun on hook

[hardy dust]

Imo it should get reworked into glitch gun

So it has a support role

[ashen slate]

not really. keep everything else as is just add more spacing between the two projectiles. so you actually need to lead your target a bit as it is right now the left click outshines the heavy throw by a mile cause its too easy to land both hits and that 120 damage on repeat compared to 140 that has a long wind up you cant control. and for the right click make it so we can hold it and throw when we want.

[hardy dust]

That could maybe work, but it would still have the same issues with spamming and the m2 being pretty bad.

M2 holding could make it very strong tho

I think making the m2 animation shorter would be better

[ashen slate]

yeah buff the right click cause no one uses it. and the nerf to left click will be appropriate for close range and be an actual skill weapon.
and yeah even just a shorter animation would help

[hardy dust]

Right click feels so good to hit tho

[ashen slate]

since the only class dodgeing one of the throws is light with dash. and it would be a 50% damage cut for the average user

[small flicker]

im down

[hardy dust]

I think it would be funny if you could parry winch

Like you time your quick melee to deflect it

That would be silly

[ashen slate]

would add some counter play to it tho

kinda like how halo you can parry the sword with a quick melee

even tho thats gone in halo infinite. be cool if you could negate 80% damage from melee with a well timed quick melee too

[wind lintel]

devs should add a light specialization that gives teamates in a 30m radius a speed boost (totally good idea)

[ashen slate]

and also why the hell is all the anti light gear on the light class lol.
i feel like all the recon items should be available on all classes

[ashen slate]

they should give that to medium since its the support class and would pair well with thier melee

give them something to actually close the gap with

and a heal bomb like the lights vanish bomb. will heal 100hp and can affect enemies as well to prevent its use as a panick personal heal in close range

2 charges

[hallow leaf]

thats why i think they should make stun gun a slow only and give it to med

[ashen slate]

yeah but its no fun on light thats not gonna change anything if they just move it onto medium.
and if its just a slow its gonna be pretty near useless. its just gonna end up like the motion sensor

[hallow leaf]

"near" useless but it would be good for melee and thats it

keep the slow and the cash out stop like how it was before the s3 buff

it really just needs to be a gap closer and thats it

i just feel like a ranged slow would match med more then a speed boost

but if they did do a speed boost i would want one like the invis bomb so i can buff teamates as well

[ashen slate]

yeah i guess it would work cuz you can add it to medium melee build.
speed boost would be a team thing. but why not have both medium melee is considered the weakest

like as an ability

[hallow leaf]

its the weakest because of the lack of gap closing

also i dont know why the dual blades final thing of the combo only does 60 damage

[ashen slate]

i know thats why have both.

[hallow leaf]

like why even do the 3rd finisher of the combo

[ashen slate]

DB need a serious buff. its reflect block is a gimmick at best and for losing the shield it should really deal more damage then the riot shield

[hallow leaf]

dual baldes combo should go 100-115-130

[ashen slate]

its 2 swings so 115 would have to be 114.
but i could see the ramping up damage being a way to balance all melee tbh

[hardy dust]

65... its so bad

[hardy dust]

Why not 100-120-130

[hallow leaf]

just looked it up its 100-120-70

[hardy dust]

I thought final hit was 65, oh well

[hallow leaf]

like wtf why is the last one so low

[hardy dust]

Cuz its 1 attack, the first two are double attacks (50x2 and 60x2)

[ashen slate]

i would prob make the first combo do 110 damage so you could do a swing and quick melee to kill a light.
then make the second combo do 140 so 2 combo swings can kill a medium and make the last swing do whatever so a full combo will kill a heavy

[hallow leaf]

still ITS THE FINISER OF THE COMBO

[hallow leaf]

becuase i like the look of 100-115-130

[hardy dust]

Well, it kinda nerfs the weapon cuz you can combo and ignore the last hit

[hallow leaf]

but still the combo finisher should do more than what it cuttently does

[hardy dust]

Definitely

[hallow leaf]

and add more magnatism or give med some way to slow people or a speed boost because jump/zip doesnt really help

also riot shield needs a rework

[ashen slate]

i actually love the riot shield lol.
only thing i would add to it is damage reduction when your blocking

its just too funny to use. most people just look at you funny whne you use it well. it just doesnt stand a chance if theres a flamethrower or hammer in play

[hallow leaf]

na, make a block a mini charge that increases your movement speed a little

[ashen slate]

you can sprint with it and still block your whole body if you run a certain way

really good at gap closing since you can full sprint with it

and its damage equals the same number of hits as the DB which is too funny as well

its honestly everything the DB wish they were. and the best part is you dont get punished for blocking

[formal crown]

make it like shields from TF2... :/ (it comes full circle)

[hardy dust]

Imo riot just needs 4 more dmg. The problem is that medium doesn't have enough to support melee

If medium got actually good util that synergised with melee, both riot shield and dual blades would be relevant

[formal crown]

mediums don't have the power of the heavy nor the speed of the lights. makes their melee quite difficult to use

[reef vector]

i have to say heavy isnt really that fun to play rn

pepper spray for medium

combos with riot

[bronze spade]

these changes are a L

yeah lets mess with why cashout is fun to play and not adjust the weapon balance

lets buff a weapon but not actually make it effective

i get it they are working on a another game, but man are they messing up

[cunning kettle]

Bro wants the full “STOP RESISTING” set

[ashen hawk]

buff up healing beam its too weak (lol sarcastic)

[vale obsidian]

what if we have a heal beam alternative but its burst fire?

[atomic sand]

nah bro

[vale obsidian]

food for thought

[lilac terrace]

lagging health beam

[vale obsidian]

@fresh eagle too long of a cool down so lets talk here

i know how many times i dash in a game and one second more to each of them is alot

what? lets have a convo

do you just gonna say that to me and not let me say stuff back lol

here's my thought: light always able to run away if they know anything about positioning and if they buff everything else so they can kill light before they ran away it would be too much

so they nerf the dash and problem solve

no complication, no alot of side effect just clean balancing

why dose that matter lmao

i don't play rank because wt have no stake and ta is boring af

and my stuff is like white or tiger

lmao

[vale obsidian]

@nimble hinge

long story short: it does feel worst but its for the balance

[meager dawn]

doesn't matter as much as you think it does

[keen island]

im sure you feel very powerful being such a pro from last season?

nah dude you honestly just seem entitled asf :/

[unique pollen]

Gotta admit that Light is so boring to go against
Deletes you no matter the class
Good "SMG" range and accuracy at medium range for some reason
Slippery as heck with dashes invis and built-in speed not to mention the OP stun gun that lasts for way too long for some reason, longer than a Light needs to delete someone

[vale obsidian]

lot of casual in chat 👍

[vague monolith]

Nah for real light being the only class with a good DPS was a ridiculous balance decision. Light needed more team utility and get away options, not the class that gets to play call of duty/Titanfall while everyone else is playing the finals

[vale obsidian]

ngl i agree with this

more then half of light utility is just for killing instead of team play

[vague monolith]

It's killing the game straight up. They needed a buff in season 2, but when one one class has superior DPS, it doesn't make the class more viable, it makes other classes less viable

[vale obsidian]

dps is not the end all be all of a class man

[vague monolith]

You can still beat light, but it feels like shit playing against 3 lights

[vale obsidian]

yeah

not really alot to talk about when it come to that

they are just annoying

just stay with team more i guess

[vague monolith]

It's just not healthy for the game. They're not like impossible to kill, it's just fucking annoying without adding any depth to the class or game

[vale obsidian]

tbh i don't really care about it that much because they suck in team play and objective play so i just camp the cashout so the light lose the game

[vague monolith]

That's what makes it suck so bad, if you're in a light dominated game it doesn't play like how the finals should.

[atomic sand]

i hate this gun haha

perfect

[vale obsidian]

ngl i like the recoil

make it "feels" stornger that i have to fight the recoil

although the damage does suck sometime lol

yep

[unique pollen]

Get deleted together basically lol
All class players can empty an entire magazine, then dash or invis until they reload to empty another magazine, what can you do? Pray, cause you can't outrun them nor can you chase them. Lose lose situation

[vale obsidian]

dude they come in one by one

just play together and 3v1 them

[meager dawn]

if you're together with your team you can crush them. Medium and heavies have tools for this. The problem is for solo queue players who are in teams where nobody talks or works together

[unique pollen]

What gadgets do midiums and heavies have to kill a light lol

[vale obsidian]

✨ welcome to solo que ✨

just pick a teammate to play with and fallow them for all eiternity

[unique pollen]

Not always, plus they can just shoot 1/4 of the magazine, hide, come again, cause you regen slower

[meager dawn]

much easier said then done. You don't know what the guy is going to do, they don't notice the pings, they go left when you go right, or they are light and simply leave you in the dust

ok and?

I would like you to contribute more if you are in a discussion

[lament bluff]

DID THEY FIX PARTY SUSTEM?

[vale obsidian]

just stay with team 👍

[unique pollen]

But in a 1v1, you're dead no matter what really

[meager dawn]

You just posted a vague statement and got mad when I asked for an explanation. You could solo queue to diamond in this game as a shield medium not shooting anyone

[vale obsidian]

don't go alone to be in a 1v1 lol
light are best in 1v1 so why are you giving them advantage lol

[meager dawn]

ok, you're either a troll or you're braindead, either way I'm just blocking you, I don't have the patience for children

[vale obsidian]

🤣

[restive galleon]

I need red

[vale obsidian]

have instead

[meager dawn]

It's much more difficult, but you just need to focus more on the situation you're in. It sucks I know

[unique pollen]

Glitch mine takes forever to activate..

Then leave

I'm so sorry "your majesty" if I hate being deleted from medium range by an "SMG"

[meager dawn]

one thing I'd say is keep in mind the team comps when the game starts, if you see a lot of lights switch some stuff out to try and make your life easier. you won't be hard countering them, but it's just something to think about so you're not in game dying and thinking "man, I wish I had 'x'"

[restive plover]

Unless they have the element of surprise as well you still win those.

[unique pollen]

I never had this issue cause medium has nothing :/ Except glitch which is meh

Lights go in when I'm with my team and get a 1 for 1 at worst

[meager dawn]

when I play medium I keep the shotgun on standbye and glitch mines. Glitch mines can be situational, and sometimes you're having a bad day and the shotgun isn't working, but it's something

[unique pollen]

I suppose so, still gonna be a 1 for 1 at worst which is sad

Or they infinitely poke you to death

Look who's talking about "love". I shouldn't die from an SMG from the range of a rifle, that's nonsense

Ok

I love using the flamethrower on 5 of you and living

Yeah so I'm required to play the same thing every match, because every match is light light light light, how boring. Never be a game designer honestly, you'll make boring games

Just because the flamethrower destroys Lights, doesn't mean they can't just get out of range by dashing 7 times and killing me anyways, or just simply walking with their tiny fast feet

[bright current]

only asking once, please keep discussions civil between y'all

[unique pollen]

An obvious light main, ofc he's mad at everyone that complained about lights

[unique pollen]

Can brother read?

Also, I was civil, this guy's the one using demeaning words directed at everyone that hates lights

Ok keep ignoring the fact that the flamethrower has limited range which they can just escape with their billions of tools

You done?

You got issues 😐

[unique pollen]

???????

Seek help please

[unique pollen]

Seek, help

Blocked

[abstract depot]

I severely wish they would fix hit reg with the riot shield. On top of the Tk and bow bug where they get stuck to your screen even after respawn

[vague monolith]

Lights are fucking annoying as is and it's a problem. The class encourages brain dead approaches and makes the game more stale

Dash is fine on its own as is, the weapons on light are the problem for real

Like they nerfed the double barrel a few seasons ago for having a high dps, but then made every other light gun worse than the double barrel

As far as being too strong

Nah like it is fine, right? But then they buffed a ton of other guns to be way stronger than the very balanced DB

[restive plover]

Changes I’d like to see:

• Nerf XP-54’s range

• Revert M60 to S2 stats

• Buff Medium dual blades lunge distance and ability to close space

• slight buff to Lewis recoil

• Buff both MGL and CL40

• Add ability to toggle each seasons music / favorite tracks.

• fix hit registration on spear

And finally, bring back ranked cashout.

[raven wasp]

I agree about the riot shield, and to be fair I think both of the mediums melee weapons r very lack luster

[ashen slate]

this whole back and forth was a good funny read.
especially when the other dude got caught in their own BS you really drilled him on that one opening
saying he cant 1v1 but he can 1v5 easily

[unique pollen]

Let's ignore the fact lights can escape the flamethrower range with the right specialization, ok

[heavy tusk]

I thought lights were the worst until I tried the goo gun - sledge/flamethrower combo. If you cripple a light's movement in any way, their survival chance goes down dramatically

[abstract depot]

The biggest problem I have is the damage inconsistencies

[raven wasp]

Exactly, that paired with the inconsistent hit range

[abstract depot]

Another big problem is pyro nades still stick to the riot shields

[raven wasp]

Does it allow u to damage others or does it just urself?

[abstract depot]

That’s a guaranteed death with no counter. RS has enough counters as it is with the fact you can still be shot and it is a melee weapon

[raven wasp]

And u still have to get in range to hit, not as easy when ur not a light

[small flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/why-what-in-the-hell-oh-god-pizza-house-on-fire-gif-15536410

[small flicker]

i tried to but the trail goes cold

oh

[frosty jasper]

Do you guys play on controller or MNK?

Personally, I’d like to see a melee buff where there is like a 10% movement speed especially for mediums with dual blades or riot shield. So easy to just run away lol.

Can someone explain why people keep saying TK are broken when their TTK is slower than the XP-54, SH1900, LH1, M11, and V9S? Like genuinely it’s quicker to get kills with those other weapons than the throwing knives and the throwing knives are borderline useless past 15 meters.

[radiant vapor]

Could be interesting. I like the idea

[radiant vapor]

Tk does not need to reload

[frosty jasper]

I think it gets difficult because good melee players absolutely wreck casuals but in higher level play melee is such a liability. I still think movement speed buff for melee would be good to chase down people/move quicker. Gives more utility

I just think it’s sad because all the solutions are absolutely gutting the throwing knives i.e. remove headshot multiplier, lower damage, need to reload, etc

LH1 is far more broken across multiple ranges

I just don’t think the headshot multiplier would even fix anything

People would still want more nerfs

What if the devs lowered the damage to 50 but made drop less so they could be used more at range?

Well mediums can’t be deleted in two clicks lol. They nerfed the damage from 63 to 60 for that reason.

I asked why people say they are broken

I never said they didn’t need nerfs, you assumed that based off my question

[heavy tusk]

a headshot with a TK alt-fire is 210 or 215 (either Embark borked their math or the wiki is outdated). One of the reasons the RPG got mega gimped was because a heavy could just whip it out and delete someone, even surviving a point blank shot. If that's the case, then I don't see why a similar nuke should be allowed on a weapon with no reload

then again I think the TKs were created by Satan after getting a self frag from one of my knives bouncing off a dome shield, so I may be biased

actually if the math is right, two shots would even take out a full health heavy at 360 damage. An ambush with a stun gun would make lining those shots up easy

at least if you're not the common paste eater that thinks landing the funny electric bullet means you can run down an enemy from the front

so it's the OB2 V9S all over again. Lovely

It was a fun time to spectate lights. Watching all the 1v1s where both lights would just circle strafe and mag dump without killing each other was hilarious

[lament mountain]

is the xp-54 not a light machine gun? is a submachine gun not a machine gun??? why is there no dedicated list to what categories each weapon follows under, on the wiki or something

[small flicker]

LMG is m60/lewis, i think should be smg/lmg instead of AR/lmg

[heavy tusk]

Those are great too. There are always two types of dagger players when the backstab doesn't connect: the ones that panic cloak and book it so they can try from another angle or Butcher Pete who will commit and try to butter knife

[heavy tusk]

it's a sub-machine gun. Their short barrel length made them perfect for use on submarines, hence the name

[urban crest]

Is there a backstab hit range of the dagger on a barricade or the dome shield ?

Couldn’t sleep cuz of that

[heavy tusk]

of course he has a different reason for naming it that way. He made the gun

next you'll tell me the name derringer didn't come from a drunk cowboy trying to say danger

[cunning kettle]

the prefix "sub-" means lower/under, since it shoots a lower powered cartridge than a rifle or mg of its era

where did you find the info that the "sub" was for submarines

[cunning kettle]

nah its named after the guy that made em

[karmic sandal]

Idea. Heavy speculation pick up players to use them as a shield or chuck them

[timber idol]

omg, a heavy ability to pickup light players

both opponents and teamates

[hallow leaf]

Imagine if you could use wench on teammates, "sees your light teammate about to leave and be no help to the team" yoink your coming with us

[remote swan]

i’ve always wanted charge & slam to do a ton of knockback instead of damage, so i can punt the enemy light through a building

[fleet brook]

It should do very heavy knock back and do 100 damage if they hit a wall

[remote swan]

exactly

[karmic sandal]

Fr

Embark make this happen please 🙏🥺

[timber idol]

or maybe we could have a new shockwave ability

in an area around you, all players and throwables are knocked away

if you time it right you can deflect rpg or grenade launcher shots

or maybe it could be a grenade with canister versions

[karmic sandal]

Passive ability’s would be cool as well

[timber idol]

like what

[karmic sandal]

Hmm

[restive plover]

This seems like it would trivialize steal stopping.

[remote swan]

to be fair the slam already does that pretty well

[restive plover]

Does slam knock people away? I know the charge does.

[timber idol]

it could be a single grenade like the pyro grenade and have a slightly longer cooldown to disable spamming at cashouts

[remote swan]

not sure, i think it does

[timber idol]

i didnt think it did

[remote swan]

i might be wrong about that, but it still has the charge

[karmic sandal]

For medium. Every 20 seconds canisters in the area get pinged

[timber idol]

ah

[remote swan]

object recon senses

[restive plover]

All it really needs is an actual windup.

[karmic sandal]

No as a passive

[remote swan]

yea, but like as how it looks

[karmic sandal]

Oh ok

Being sticky grenade would be cool, you stick them to your teammate and they will run in and blow everything up

[candid condor]

some tactical suicide bombing sounds nice

[timber idol]

for a specialty, a drone which you can control and blow up on command

[karmic sandal]

A passive for light could be a death grenade, like that old game event but exclusively for lights

[timber idol]

could be good for gathering intel or for attacking enemy cashouts

[timber idol]

or whenever a light is killed they explode

[neat cargo]

It would be balanced since you are vulnerable while using

[karmic sandal]

Exactly

[timber idol]

it could be a system like in overwatch 2, where you can pick a passive to use

[neat cargo]

Great melee buff

[timber idol]

we need embark on this now

[neat cargo]

In overwatch the different classes/characters have different passives you can’t pick them. HOWEVER being able to pick a passive could be cool

[timber idol]

it had an update where each class has a set of passives to choose from

eg, dps can choose between seeing low hp enemies through walls or a damage buff

[hallow leaf]

What charge needs is the first hit does 50 and then each hit after that increases the damage by 25, so 50-75-100-125 and the slam would do damage corresponding to how long it was held. So if you slam at the start only does 75 and if you slam at the end it does 125-150

[neat cargo]

Oh I haven’t played in a while

[neat cargo]

One shotting a light is fun

[hallow leaf]

?

[candid condor]

Give lights a self stim or smthn

[timber idol]

or a health grenade

tbrow it down to heal 50 hp or sum and you can help out your team

[hallow leaf]

Currently it's broken as hell, first hit does 130 so you can hit then slam right after first hit and kill lights without even needing to touch your gun or the op rpg

[timber idol]

lights may be more inclined to stick with the rest of the team and work together

[neat cargo]

If it increases damage if it goes to 150 it would one shot lights

[hallow leaf]

Not on first contact and if you are a light and getting hit 4 times by it with all your movement you might need to uninstall tbh

[neat cargo]

Fair enough

[neat cargo]

Could be cool for medium

[hallow leaf]

With that proposed change it would still be usable but not as broken as it is now

[timber idol]

yeah

[candid condor]

Dash nerf was needed imo

[hallow leaf]

And it would reward you for actually holding it but at the same time not be as punishing for getting hit by it once

[candid condor]

i think dash is balanced now

ddoesnt mean light class is quite there yet but every class has its OP goto

[hallow leaf]

And tbh rpg needs is projectile to be slower or it needs is damage nerfed to at least 100

[hallow leaf]

Agreed but I still feel like a tk nerf was needed more

[timber idol]

maybe a lonher cooldown

[hallow leaf]

A longer CD would do nothing

[neat cargo]

Slower I feel like after all it’s a rocket

[candid condor]

Sledge feels a bit too braindead on heavy
same with its RPG

Medium got a nerf tbf it was needed with the healing beam

but the shotguns across the board are kinda overtuned atm

[hallow leaf]

Yeah, if it was slower it would be easier to dodge at a range but still punishing up close

[hallow leaf]

A lot of stuff on heavy is braindead tbh, sledge/rpg/charge/mesh

[karmic sandal]

Light invis needs to be un-nerfed

[severe hamlet]

What's better? The sword or the stick and shield for medium? damage and protection wise

[timber idol]

heavy deals too much damage especially since the lights specials which are based on movement and quick escapes are being nerfed by embark

[timber idol]

damage: sword
protection:riot shield

[hallow leaf]

damage is about the same, the main difference is the blocking, one you still take some damage and reflect hits while the other blocks everything

[severe hamlet]

So overall is the dual sworfds better or the shield / stick

[karmic sandal]

Light need a movement buff

[hallow leaf]

i agree but i feel like both heavy and light could use some damage nerfs

[hallow leaf]

no they dont

[severe hamlet]

wait so whta'ts better overall? dual sword or riot shield + big black stick

[hallow leaf]

i main db but they are both good its mainly playstyle

the issue isnt really the weapons its the fact that med has basically no gap closer

the best you got is goo to try and close the gap

@severe hamlet so basically do you want to be able to block a majority of damage and be able to send it back or do you want to be able to block all damage

you know whats worse, even on heavy if you grip them with hook and they charge you are basically dead

you basically just brought a train to you and it hurts

charge and rpg are both 2 of the most brain dead things in the game and need nerfed and stun gun needs to go back to the way it was in season 2, it didnt need any buffs with season 3

[severe hamlet]

yeah i just can't make up my mind between dual blades and the shield.

[hallow leaf]

i say try them both and use what one you enjoy more

[severe hamlet]

i feel like for the shield it's inevitable they get around it it's just slowly. considering the blade can block damage and reflect

I wish the grappling claw was for medium instead of heavy. makes more sense

[hallow leaf]

i say give med the stun gun for closing the gap

[severe hamlet]

cuz if you claw a light then just dahs away

[hallow leaf]

my issue is they are on light, the highest ttk class, if you can aim you dont need stun gun

[neat cargo]

Or grapple or stun or cloak it’s so fun🥲

[hallow leaf]

thats a charge issue

i honestly want stun removed from the game its not fun on the hook and its not fun on stun gun

they dont listen to anyone tbh

[neat cargo]

What lights play for the team

[candid condor]

ratatatatata

farming so I can make a vc for WT dont mind me

[hallow leaf]

if thats the case then also give med a stun as well since both heavy and light have one

[candid condor]

I mean lights with gateways frags that plays around the heavy kinda cook

[neat cargo]

Fair

[candid condor]

Completely lost track of whats going on

[neat cargo]

I do want medium to have stun gun as well

[hallow leaf]

you said stun is needed to counter both dash and charge but the bad thing is both of the classes that have those abilities have a stun and the one that doesnt has nothing

[candid condor]

Is this debate about lights not being good for teams due to the nature of how they are percieved

[neat cargo]

I guess some do but all my teammates just play for kills

[candid condor]

i think its just a mentality thing tbh

If the lights played more around the heavy and supported the heavy with dps then they kinda cook

[hallow leaf]

those arnt a stun

[neat cargo]

They prevent some abilities

I don’t like ranked😭

Wait hold up glitch mines prevent charge

[hallow leaf]

MY POINT WAS MED NEEDS SOMETHING TO HELP WITH MELEE CLOSE THE GAP

[merry trail]

So with the recent changes to the burst pistol, is it a good choice?

[neat cargo]

Welp time to main glitch mines

Uh rpg isn’t specialty

Yeah I didn’t know that I don’t use mediums glitch mine and you didn’t specify that it also blocks gadgets

[remote swan]

i've never had a problem closing the gap while using melee as medium

[neat cargo]

I don’t play light that much anymore

[candid condor]

you arent missing out on much

[neat cargo]

I like playing braindead hammer mesh shield

[timber idol]

am i the only light who uses grapple i never see anyone else using it

[merry trail]

I use it. With the cooldown reduction it's become waaaay better

[cunning prairie]

throwing knives need to be nerfed. if one charged attack to the head can one shot a light, then it needs a nerf plain & simple

[timber idol]

heavily agree

[neat cargo]

Yeah

[merry trail]

87% of weapons can one or two tap a light, what in the hell are you talking about

[cunning prairie]

FR

[neat cargo]

This may be stupid but light should have 175 hp

[cunning prairie]

im talking main weapons, the fact that there isnt a restock feature & you can endlessly spam it while its as powerful as it is is rediculous

[merry trail]

If you think the throwing knives, the fucking projectile with travel times, doesn't need aim, I don't know what to tell you.

[cunning prairie]

lights health is more or less fine

[merry trail]

Not when you're delusional, you're correct about that.

[neat cargo]

Yeah ig it would give them more of a chance against 1 shots however

[cunning prairie]

tell that to the TK snipers that have been popping up in ALL my matches

[merry trail]

Quick question that has literally nothing to do with the topic at hand- which do you prefer, the grapple or the winch claw?

I'm not setting up an argument or trying to prove a point I'm just curious

[neat cargo]

So you could simply aim a little ahead and it just hits them

[cunning prairie]

Ive straight cleared an entire team of two heavies and a medium with TK & im not an expert shot

its op

[neat cargo]

They could reduce the damage so it can’t one shot

[cunning prairie]

bring the damage to 50% instead of the 60-65 they have it at currently

[merry trail]

True, true, grapple is more for positioning. Definitely not great when you're in someone's face.

As someone who plays light I've been absolutely obliterated by heavies that grab my ass with a sledge or flame, lol

[cunning prairie]

dash my guy, best ability against the winch

[merry trail]

Oh for sure, but I more or less need grapple because I'm trying to get good with the bow, lol.

[cunning prairie]

feels like we need to get more ppl to present this to the CMs

[cunning prairie]

grapple & bow...? damn that sounds fun, Imma try that. ty for the idea

[merry trail]

It's tight as hell, especially once you unlock the ninja or ronin outfit (I have not yet)

[cunning prairie]

nah, another idea is to make it so that they have a pouch or something that they have to restock, so that way its not just endless spam

[cunning prairie]

That does sound awesome

[merry trail]

I think having a "reload" would be good. I know I'm biased because I've been playing light since Day 1 but TK until recently have been absolute dog water for just about anything unless you were actually a god gamer.

It'd hurt to see it go back to being useless if the damage was nerfed back down

[candid condor]

It would but the TTk needs just a smidge nerf with the mp5/knives

[cunning prairie]

but getting rid of headshot multiplier is a bit much, bringing the damage down to a solid 50, and the restock pouch would address the issue as it would cause spammers and snipers to be less prevalent

[candid condor]

talking about something as small as .2 on the TTK

[cunning prairie]

like a pouch with 8-10 that you restock like shotgun shells so it isnt endless spam

[hallow leaf]

make tks have an ammo count of 6 then they need to reload, since each volly they do throws 2 knives they would need to reload after 3 throws

[cunning prairie]

it can be fixed, just requires serious tuning

[candid condor]

Knives having a cooldown would be an interesting way of going about it

[cunning prairie]

im more in favore of 8-10, otherwise ppl wont use it, and i hate the slimy weapon\

wasnt coming at you, was agreeing my guy

oh, my bad

[hallow leaf]

with the damage it does it needs to be 6

[merry trail]

Ah text, the hardest format to read emotion, lol

[cunning prairie]

too true

[tidal sentinel]

beautiful

[cunning prairie]

i feel like when they were designing the TKs, they solely had heavies in mind as the target

[hallow leaf]

thats why the buffed the double barrel

[cunning prairie]

bc I cant think of any reason they would give the fastest and most fragile player type a weapon that can be spammed endlessly, and the only real requirement is decent aim

[cunning prairie]

so they did do that! was wondering why i was getting one tapped by that thing all of a sudden

[hallow leaf]

i hate the " you need to aim" argument people make about tks, OF COURSE YOU NEED TO FUCKING AIM THIS IS AN FPS GAME

[cunning prairie]

was meaning at the range that they do it at.

I wish that were the case on my end. have gone up against straight gods of aim for the past week 1/2

[timber idol]

at this point i wish they would remove tk from the game entirely

it is on a whole nother level of annoying and braindead

[hallow leaf]

Give them the recon treatment. remove them and rework them stop forcing us to deal with this shit

[timber idol]

fr

maybe not exactly the same but a similar situation

[hallow leaf]

both make the game not fun

but you cant ever do anything to light because they will say its useless, look at dash the nerf barely did anything and people are saying its useless

"revert the dash nerf" you see that shit so much in game feedback

[steady grotto]

random question but whats tk someone enlighten this poor soul

[ashen slate]

throwing knifes

[steady grotto]

oooooooh right

i forgot they exist.
its literally a one shot i hate them so much esp paired with evasive dash

[cunning prairie]

dash was nerfed...???

[dim carbon]

The 93r feels a lot better now

[restive plover]

Yeah, the cooldown was increased. Very bizarre choice.

[cunning prairie]

i hardly noticed XD

[hallow leaf]

wow you cant spam it as much any more, but you can still spam it a lot and if it is messing with your muscle memory then just relearn it, it needed a nerf

[restive plover]

It really didn't.

[cunning prairie]

FR

lets all take a breath, & just agree to at least one of these two things: 1. TKs need a reload of some sort (TK pouch like they have irl maybe? idk) 2. bump the damage down to at least 50% instead of the 60%-65% its currently at. As for dash, it is meant to be strategically used during a fight, or for evasion/closing the gap, but I do use it for getting around the map when I know I can safely recover the ability

the opinion is prob from experiences with it. nothing annoys ppl like having someone dashing all over while landing every shot, its fun doing it every now & then, but different strokes for different folks

and thats me saying it as a dash main

that i agree with you

very true

it kinda sounds like fans just defending their favorite game no matter what happens but it also sounds like they either dont ever play as light, or they had some pretty rough matchs against serious gods in the class and it left a mark on em

[merry trail]

How are the dual swords btw

[cunning prairie]

if you know what your doing, amazing

[cunning prairie]

they can shred healthbars if the idiot shooting isnt paying any attention

thats why its best to have CMs on each side of the arguements, so the devs can cross examine whether one side is being accurate with their statements, & how to proceed from there

[dim carbon]

Didn't explosive weapon damage get an overhaul recently?

[cunning prairie]

thats where quality control comes in. but overall, if the majority of the players are content, then the devs have more or less done their job right, at least thats how industries view it

as a light main, i personally enjoy not dying after taking an rpg to the face like back in S1

i think the devs view the RPG as both a weapon and a tool tbh

meant for opening up areas and dealing damage

prob what the devs are intending for it

bc i see NO ONE using c4 after the no nuke patch

Whats CB?

[dim carbon]

I usually use C4 in TA on the terminal for sneaky defusers

[cunning prairie]

id say the devs didnt realize that the c4 was a very niche gadget for the game they were making. on paper it sounds really useful, but unless you are a noob that loves playing demo simulator, the game is too fast paced for such a device.

[mellow musk]

What is cub

[cunning prairie]

its why mines are supreme unless you are waiting for someone to get near the c4

[mellow musk]

CB I mean

[cunning prairie]

prob a casualty to the nuke nerf they didnt spot

[mellow musk]

What is CB

[cunning prairie]

closed beta

[mellow musk]

Ok

[cunning prairie]

anyones else have more fun in the beta then S1

[mellow musk]

I main light and put breach charges near cashouts which you could do with c4

[cunning prairie]

either itll get replaced(hopefully) with something better, or theyll buff it for next season

XD

And no good awful vegas map

that map made me quit til S3 back in S2

lol, true, true

[dim carbon]

Maybe they'll add a game mode where gadgets like C4 are more directly applicable. I mean defib is disabled in TA. Should every gadget should be just as useful in all game modes?

[cunning prairie]

its how the map is dominated by indoor buildings and you can get caught on all the added assets. as a dash main, ive gotten killed SOOOOOOO many times bc a chair or some bs stopped me in my tracks

[cunning prairie]

thats a massive can of worms youre suggesting

[dim carbon]

Probably lol. I just think The Final's greatest strength is in how it's like a blank canvas for elements to be added onto.

[cunning prairie]

plus, unless you carry explosives strong enough to plow thru walls, there isnt really a way for you to stop a cashout/deposit. i just run heavy whenever vegas pops up

[dim carbon]

I always thought that the Vegas with security traps could be used for something else...

[cunning prairie]

i second that. but the time it takes for those new elements to be added is kinda killing the player count, but ill play this game til the servers shutdown. i get almost the same feeling playing this game as i used to when i still played titan fall 2

[dim carbon]

Tru about the time expectations

I do think that the devs need a bit more grace when it comes to this season as World Tour clearly serves the devs a large purpose for elements going forward.

[cunning prairie]

either they need more devs to help pump out more content that isnt skins related, or more budget to have the existing devs pump out that content

[cunning prairie]

true, true

[cunning prairie]

they clearly want to make it into a real esport, which I would support, as ive never been able to keep my interest with existing esports, but who knows

it would def be a switch up from the finnesseing simulators that are val and CS

[dim carbon]

The bare minimum of lore they've dropped with the sponsors and virtual arena is an awesome foundation for esports marketing

*and merch

[cunning prairie]

agreed, as it gives something for ppl to attach their money/loyalty to like a team

[cunning prairie]

ooooh the merch. I'd def buy a shirt or two just to support it

[dim carbon]

A lot of the in-game cosmetics themselves could be merch tbh.

Like the latest tan/grey rank up cosmetics

[cunning prairie]

I wouldnt mind a few of them as buyable merch

[cunning prairie]

lol, yea, those would def sell

[dim carbon]

IKEA is also getting into gaming furniture soon, would be a good op for the Stockholm-based developer...

[cunning prairie]

true. synergizing with national brands/companies

[cunning kettle]

if they made a namatama plushie i would buy one

[cunning prairie]

the real issue plaguing the game tho is engagement. the steamdb charts arent looking too great, idk what it is for console, but if more ppl could/would give the game a chance, instead of feeling overwelmed & slinking back to "call of brainrot", or fortnite, then it could get to where the devs are trying to get it

[cunning prairie]

my sister would prob want one, she loves the japanese egg yolk character

[dim carbon]

A switch release might help, albeit without cross play. Compatability with Apple would too.

But that may be more in Nintendo/Apple's court tbh

[cunning kettle]

would be really cool if that one sniper skin in the candid moment set would take a picture right before you pull the trigger

so the image it printed had the crosshair on the person you killed

[cunning prairie]

I just actively refuse to except it. I hate how a game this fresh is being left in the sun to stink bc the now majority of gamers are more or less casual normies or dedicated to the cult of popular pvp gaming

[dim carbon]

Not apple mobile, I mean mac*

[cunning prairie]

it just an idea, dont shit on the guy

hes trying to think of ways to help

Ill take anything thatll keep this game from the grave

wdym catering? you mean the skins, or nah?

ah

[hardy dust]

This game would make a nintendo switch explode

[cunning kettle]

aint the switch like 7 years old

[dim carbon]

explode.... in popularity! ha. yea prob not.

[hardy dust]

Smth like that

[cunning kettle]

yep

[cunning prairie]

season 1 had a constant flood of first timers that clearly only played CoD, as they just shot everything and completely ignored the objective. then saw the flood of negative comments complaining how the game was "weird" or "didnt play like it was advertised". IE: they sucked & 3D thinking was hard for CoD fanboys

after that, barely saw any engagement on the streamer side of things

lets wait til we get to the point where 1000+ players is a good day... like TF 2... (crys in northstar)

theyre just depressed and wanting to believe in something positive for the thing that brings them joy

it makes us believe crazy things

🤷‍♂️

[cunning kettle]

embark should stop using the main game as a test place for balancing and instead have a separate gamemode for that

[restive plover]

https://tenor.com/view/getting-old-man-saving-private-gif-13333225

I hate the passage of time, make it stop.

[cunning kettle]

no can do

[cunning prairie]

I miss BF4...

[dim carbon]

Thoughts on a forge mode?

[cunning prairie]

like for mods? id love it

[dim carbon]

Mods, community maps and gamemodes similar to golden days of Halo

streamline that content into a featured section on the homepage

The destruction engine is kind of begging for custom iteration

[cunning prairie]

god, this channel is just a bitter-sweat kaleidoscope of nostalgia of my favorite franchises long gone

[cunning prairie]

this is run on a custom engine?

[dim carbon]

No, by custom I mean custom creation onto what the engine provides, i.e. forge

like that digital skybox when you fall off the map would work perfectly for a blank map.

[ashen slate]

ngl seeing 343 devs not think forge and custom games as important causes me actual pain.
killed thier own game by not including these at launch

[cunning prairie]

theres a difference between not important, and "thatll take a ton of work I dont want to do!"

[ashen slate]

yeah but honestly its do the work or die lol

made a agme that was sopposed to last years die in 2 short years

[dim carbon]

When was the beta opened btw? I've only played since official launch around Christmas

[cunning prairie]

until recently, they've coasted on halos reputation as xbox's golden game, and that it can't actually die. Third quarter comes for EVERYONE eventually, and seeing that ass backwards studio get gutted was the best halo news I heard in yrs

[dim carbon]

With maps this big, I think a powershift equivalent to Payload Race in TF2 would work just fine, 10 v 10 instead.

except the plaforms don't move backwards, only forwards.

[cunning prairie]

it could work, but the buildings would be a bit of an issue, but keeping the distructability would make it fun

my bad, was just thinking TF 2 = titan fall 2

[dim carbon]

oh lol

[cunning kettle]

what 7 years of no updates does to a community:

[cunning prairie]

we're tired, and desperate!

and EA blocking a third installment that was already in development had me feeling a type of radical I cant say without having irl issues

[cunning kettle]

at least yall get another comic

[cunning prairie]

... yippie, almost the bare minimum... im not actually complaining, but fr, that EA executive that killed it would have a drastic turnaround of opinion if we ever met

[cunning kettle]

"i just want to talk to him"

[cunning prairie]

bar for bar, shell for-

I mean...

[wispy crystal]

Guys is getting emerald currently achievable as i am still in gold 1 and overflown the rank up bar

[cunning kettle]

me over here in bronze 4 (someone dragged me into like two wt games)

[wispy crystal]

I mean the game is kinda killed right now so yeah it wouldn't make a difference

[cunning prairie]

whats ranked like compared to unranked? do you get decent teammates, or what Im currently getting?

[wispy crystal]

Random

[cunning kettle]

shits all over the place

[wispy crystal]

They can be art or a breathing piece of dog ...

[cunning prairie]

sadly, that sounds better then what I'm currently getting

[wispy crystal]

i mean if its a light with a sniper then report him

[cunning prairie]

I hate those usless mfers slightly less then the sweaty TK users

its not that they dont help, its bc all of them, without fail, are all ass at sniping!

[ashen slate]

i like to use my sniper as if i was a melee weapon. it goes either 2 ways. 18/4 or 2/10 about 65% of the time it works all the time
aggressive snipeing cause yeah i just cant seem to rely on my team to counter the snipers and to actually help with the objective so im like fine ill do it myself. i needed to work towards the light years achivment anyway

[cunning kettle]

I play both

Cqb sniper for attacking cashouts, longer range sniping for defending them

Since I basically always have a gateway next to my team’s cashout

[hazy spoke]

neerf tk

[soft juniper]

flashbang feels really good but only will work on selective weapons

[merry trail]

I saw the R3R got a bit of a buff, is it good now?

[hardy dust]

93r is stilltye worst weapon in the game

[merry trail]

rip

[wind lintel]

still sucks, v9s is a direct upgrade in most scenarios

[merry trail]

Also, does anyone use the Gateway? I can't really figure out a good reason to use it

[wind lintel]

vertical movement, rating cashouts, retreats and pushes for the team (it also speeds up your teams pacing)

[mellow gazelle]

Really good at getting cash box to the cash out when the match is about to end. Main value I’ve seen besides flanks

[kind night]

Nerf flamethrower please

[hardy dust]

Gateway is super good

You can use it for team util, moving vaults, quick escapes and defending cashouts

[cunning kettle]

just stay out of range of it

[kind night]

They got winch too though

[cunning kettle]

winch is the thing that needs nerf

literally a free kill most of the time

[bronze spade]

knives as well

[pine grail]

Knives are fine maybe give a slower fire rate but slight dmg buff

So it’s more skill based

[cunning kettle]

yea

[bronze spade]

slower fire for sure, damage is fine

the problem is how easy it is to spam

[cunning kettle]

just got almost 7k combat and 13 elims even though i havent used tks since s3 release

[cunning kettle]

literally just hold m1 and eventually you hit someone

its so braindead

[bronze spade]

make it a burst fire

[cunning kettle]

erm.. it technically is

[bronze spade]

there is cool down between burst

[polar trout]

It's better but still not enough damage

[bronze spade]

i want to see the r357 get a buff in something

[polar trout]

Like the handling is sooo much better I'm hitting way more shots than normal, but it doesn't matter if the shots do shit

[polar trout]

Probably range idk what it needs ngl. Does need something tho

[restive plover]

A bit of range, smaller hipfire cone, and no bullet dispersion while aiming down sights.

[bronze spade]

i would laugh if they buffed the gun like the l1h1

[polar trout]

Give it 69420 DMG and no recoil

Honestly balanced imo

[cunning kettle]

and 6000 rpm firerate

[bronze spade]

and explosive rounds

[cunning kettle]

piercing rounds too

explode when they pierce someone

[bronze spade]

the cherry on top

a ret dot sight

[polar trout]

With one of those flip up magnifiers so you can hit those long shots

[ashen slate]

no they did that before with just a 3 damage increase made literally every single light use the TK. not even a exaggeration if you werent sniping you were using the TK.
me personally i think they are strong were they are at RN only nerf i could see is a spacing nerf between both projectiles make it more of a skill weapon so you gotta lead your throws a bit. and also buff the right click with a shorter animation or let us hold it till we want to fire.
cause there is no contest between the quick throw for 120 damage or a long ass windup for 140
that and why have half the weapon be basically non functional

[pine grail]

That only mattered because they were already on the cusp but if they made the spam main attack slower and higher dmg it would be better for everyone else