💣┇weapons-gadgets

[vast jasper]

every game i've used it, the buddies i'm queued with have front row seats of me malding and crying out to the heavens why i can't hit a single shot

[vestal kelp]

i wish i had more people to play this with

[novel timber]

It’s good but not good at the same time it’s really fun tho in my opinion

[novel timber]

You playing rn

[vestal kelp]

yep

i just got the premium battle pass

this is a great game just always better with a freind

[novel timber]

Wanna play

Right now

[vestal kelp]

sure

ill send you my embark id

[novel timber]

Ok

Dm me

[late crow]

RPG is hella fun to use on lights

[still summit]

I hope next season has better weapon skins when they add the next level these last two have been basic rares after the “Triangle Twinkle” skin

[obsidian nexus]

RPG is so stupid dude.

literally unreactable and just 1 shots u if u took 10 damage.

but whatever, i guess heavy needs to be able to front line

[modern citrus]

Would love for the dual blades deflections to have some consistency -_-

[restive plover]

would love for them to not deflect at all🥲 so OP, aren’t they the only weapon that blocks aside from the shield? they’re ~too perfect when I’m taking shots at their whole hit spaces

[alpine ledge]

😂the amount of times I got killed by ts is funny cause when I use ts it don’t work like that

[restive plover]

right, it’s frustrating, like you can’t block with anything else in the game rlly and i’m sure with the shield there’s still some reasonable space to hit an opponent meanwhile those blades deflect everything, and I be shooting everywhere i can, legs, hands etc🥲 like seems a lil OP

[loud merlin]

So real i thought shooting legs would work
I mean it sometimes does but very less and almost always negligible

Inconsistent as hell ngl

[modern citrus]

lol the dual blades are consistently ranked one of the worst weapons in the game, the way you counter them is literally just to run away? Medium has zero mobility, they can't catch you. The deflections only work half the time and there's quite a lot of desync, so if you're strafing to the side when shooting it's very difficult to get hit by the deflections (assuming they even work)

trying to fight a light player as a medium with dual blades is the most frustrating thing in the world right now, because they're impossible to catch and the deflections aren't consistent enough to damage them. Also the fire rate of throwing knives is so fast that it's very difficult to get an attack in between their knife throws, so you basically need to hold deflect the whole time and pray you get lucky with a deflection kill

Or wait for a teammate to show up and shoot them for you while you distract them ha

[restive plover]

idk what to say, we’re just two sides of the same coin rn💛

[novel timber]

Yep so annoying

[restive plover]

also I don’t run away I stay tryna push🥲

[loud merlin]

My fat heavy ass can't outrun them mediums bro 😭

[modern citrus]

You have a shiny winch though!

[dusty bison]

can you cancel aiming / charging a shot with the bow or u have to shoot it?

[hazy kindle]

is anyone els lagging hard asf every game

[loud merlin]

i bring my death closer

[loud merlin]

if you switch from equipment to weapon probably yes

or atleast that what i do to cancel sledgehammer right click

[modern citrus]

You gotta be sneaky 🥷🏻

[loud merlin]

cant sneak with this fat belly

[restive plover]

man PPHHHHHHHUK THAT WINCH i be tryna evade 💀

[dusty bison]

yeah that works, i guess i was just hoping there was like a cancel charge button or something haha

[gusty sedge]

So is the bow strong or not? In theory it feels like LH1 or sniper is better choice but in practice I'm winning most of my 1v1 vs those weapons. If I have a corner to play I beat LH1 users over half the time. I feel like either increase the projectile velocity or increase the draw speed. One or the other both would be too strong imo

[hardy dust]

Its more of a sidegrade to sniper if anything, it's alright, but if you can make it work its pretty strong

LH1 is the strongest wep in the tho so its not that comparable

[old oracle]

what gadgets go well with dagger dash?

[sweet thistle]

I heard that goo grenade and vanish bomb are great

I'd assume gateway to make a quick escape to be strong too

[fast aspen]

vanish bomb is a must
i tend to run frag for 'wall nading' when i get chased or you could run smoke/flashbang as openers

[hazy talon]

i’m picking draw speed, that’s the trouble i’ve had with it more often than not. projectile velocity seems pretty alright, considering how far you can shoot straight

[paper schooner]

Also need the sniper bc your the dumb ones that put it on a broken class I mean it’s highly embarrassing for a dev to leave a broken class in the game and not know what to do with it

[paper schooner]

And another thing I got one shot by a light with a sword did 280 and I’m at full health like y’all are so stupid bro it’s not even funny like cmon how broken can you get

Try again next year embark😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂LLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

[quartz frost]

Skill issue

[paper schooner]

Your so stupid but ooooook

[quartz frost]

Your the one whinging u always dying lol

🌟broken🌟

[paper schooner]

How when I’m saying what the problem is off your too stupid to realize that how about you get your as s off the game and read a book on balancing then come back to the chat but your so stupid that your going to keep arguing with me

Prove me wrong bih

[quartz frost]

I bet u heavy main lol

Mr smooth brain here can't appreciate a game that is ahead of it's time and has to be the person to criticize every aspect. Your IQ lower than ocean gate submersible

[paper schooner]

One no I don’t and 2 it’s not a head of it’s time that’s like saying a gaming computer is a head of it’s time like it said you sound dumb and you proved me right bc your stupid I bet you get carried so you can brag to people we don’t care

[quartz frost]

Heavy main vibes

[opal kayak]

I want a 50 AE Deagal :D (for heavy)

[sand monolith]

Sword does not do 280

[midnight furnace]

A deagle would be a cool heavy weapon, dunno how well it would work but still

[sand monolith]

Realistically it wouldn’t work well

[opal kayak]

We'll likely never know, but it is a cool idea:)

[paper schooner]

On light yes it does

[restive plover]

140 per lunge.

[paper schooner]

Like I wouldn’t lie about it I just want it fixed

[sand monolith]

It does 140

[paper schooner]

Like cmon was the light cheating then

[sand monolith]

You got hit twice lol

[opal kayak]

High damage, lower fire rate, hard to use at long ranges due to high recoil, small mag size (7)

[midnight furnace]

If you're a light, especially a dash light you should be aware there's a sword user anyways
Least that's what I run, dash+mp5
Like yeah you can get caught off guard the first time, but after that I don't see someone dying to them constantly

[sly cosmos]

@arctic compass There are not enough people talking about what tech they are using with Dual Swords. Thanks for sharing what gadgets you’re using. I hadn’t thought about using goo nades! Jump Pad+ Zip Line + goo can help close the gap. Do you think Demat for flanking or Turret for cover fire would be better?

[arctic compass]

Depends on ur playstyle, i prefer demat because it pairs well with double mobility meaning you can go literally wherever you want, the goo nades are also good for when you need to disengage. just gotta get creative

I dont use the dual swords much anymore though because they suck in lobbys with 3 stacks of good players but their still fun

[near birch]

Literally just KS23

But no building damage

[wanton dust]

I run Tank Flamethrower, RPG, Meshshield, Dome Shield and Landmines, This load out is great for light players you will absolutely melt, you are weak to long range but RPG will make up for a kill or two at long range or at least be able to shift the position of those long range targets, your shields are used to cross long distances. Protect yourself with mesh when being shot at from long range and use your dome as a barrier between you and a flank, to cross close range distance or reviving and protecting teammates, I often try to give domes to those that are in a long range fights or defending cashouts. This is a utility build you rely on mobility which tanks have little of and close quarter fights (indoors) you are a power house when defending your own cashout and have great crowd control! You can also be a bull still charge in on low team fights, clean up for your team really pull some great steals! This load out is still kinda weak to the current knife throwing buff, you can still win those fights, but must watch for people to flank heavy using dashes. Stun guns recent buff also will give this load out some trouble (heavy on keep it close quarter fights) watch for teams to gang up on you to take you down and keep you down! They do not like when flamethrowers progress.

[torn mantle]

Nerf rpg

[loud merlin]

nuh uh

[sacred cypress]

Allow heavy players to throw their spears. But not unlimited like the throwing knives. Instead when u throw it once u have to wait for it to come back to ur hand kinda like Thors hammer. It's literally a SPEAR. And having to wait for it to come back even to engage in close range battle prevents it from being overpowered but viable longer distances. Maybe allow players to aim and throw it through by toggling on and off the aiming mode. Pls

[sweet thistle]

Nah, you probably just didnt realize you got quick-meleed after lunge

[rancid thistle]

Calling lights a broken class is a bold hot take. You can sneeze on a light and kill them compared to other classes

[vale musk]

Lighta are overtuned fot TA probably

[sweet phoenix]

I just wanna say, yesterday I rolled my car 5 to 6 times and the the first thing I did when I got back home was play the finals

[keen turtle]

average concussed teammate

[wild apex]

Hot take- give heavy a 50. Cal

[crude leaf]

As you should 🗣🔥

[crude leaf]

Sniper or Deagle...?

[wild apex]

Yes

[crude leaf]

Sí

[polar cove]

Any ideas for weapons in s4?

[crude leaf]

Charge Rifle from Titanfall 2

[crude leaf]

The class it would belong too...

Idk

[polar cove]

Lol maybe medium

[crude leaf]

But fr tho probably the Dessert Eagle for Heavy

I'd imagine Medium and Heavy both get their own snipers in a way tho

[wild apex]

The Deagle for heavy would be the best thing they’ve added

[full shard]

who knows is frag 150 dmg now? cuz i got killed of that

[crude leaf]

How would it differ from the Revolver tho

Ik it does I'm not dumb, but I js wanna know the dps difference

[boreal laurel]

At the moment all I want is for dual blades to be viable

[polar cove]

True yeah

[azure dawn]

ty for making every new weapon a niche or a joke. this will surely shake up the meta

[wild apex]

Heavy with a 50.cal would be cool but broken cause all the cover they can have

[crude leaf]

Nuh-uh

MEDIUM WOULD GET A SEMI-AUTO SNIPER 🗣🔥

[wild apex]

Already is one, the light m14

[crude leaf]

Marksman Rifle - 49 dmg

Semi-Auto sniper - 95 dmg

The vision of all classes having snipers

[wild apex]

Besides the slug shotgun I’m sure they don’t want a weapon with a decent fire rate to 2 tap lights

[simple lantern]

wait medium with an MK11 would slap ngl

[crude leaf]

And Heavy gets the big sniper for big boys and girls only

I think Light has a big enough weapon pool

What if they didn't get a weapon next season

I main Light, but the weapon choice diff we have over Medium and Heavy is insane

[simple lantern]

suppressed MK11 for major stealth boi hours

[wild apex]

I feel like medium and heavy need a sniper for themselves
Heavy would hit hard but have a slow aim in time
Medium would do descent damage headshots are dominant with it but would have a low mag count

[opal kayak]

Idk lol

[soft shale]

Giving strong long range weapons to all classes would literally ruin the game. Having all players camping a corner of the map taking potshots at each other would be the most boring crap ever. And I know for sure that it's exactly what lots of players will do.

More people not playing the objectives and trying to boost their ego with free kills, making the lives of those who are focused on the objectives miserable (see Powershit for a good illustration of that)

You have so many other games that offer such options

[narrow parcel]

What's better

Famas

Or

[late raven]

Better is personal preference, the famas shreds at distance but those up close fights you don’t feel as confident in, where the akm is great in all departments lol

[tight ingot]

heavy sniper could introduce damage drop off and body part multipliers

[wild apex]

I understand where you’re coming from with this but the thing is snipers are weak against players in their face, I’ve killed plenty of snipers with sword or just being in their face

[soft shale]

Have fun trying to be in the face of anyone in a whole lobby of 6-9 enemies with long range high damage weapons 🫣 This will be as fun as being the only Heavy in a lobby full of invis Lights with tasers and TKs 😅

[sand monolith]

there is a reason why lewis needed a nerf

[hollow mountain]

um im kinda new here but i used sniper in that engimo mode and i got roasted like hell 😭

why is that

[tight ingot]

there is nothing stopping that already with light sniper

[soft shale]

Sure, so having snipers for all classes would only make it far worse.

[tight ingot]

the point is if people wanted to camp they would

[runic vapor]

Stop nerfing heavy, lights is where all the problems are. They are cowardly and overpowered.

[paper schooner]

Let’s be honest this is not the cod killer🤦‍♂️

[small flicker]

as a light who likes to rush i disagree

[small flicker]

youre right xdefiant is /s

tbh idc if it is or isnt, i think the game is fun and thats all that matters to me

[paper schooner]

They don’t know what to with light they made a huge mistake by giving a class that can escape dodge and spider man swing up a building a sniper 2 at that medium should have had the sniper while the light have the lh1 or vice versa

And another way to say it it’s broken

[warm willow]

A lot of problems with that, medium has turrets which can cover their back, can survive a sniper headshot, has good mobility with zip and jump pad, and is overall just a better class than light already, don’t remove one of the few things that can make light at least alright

[paper schooner]

The turret takes too long to turn on the grapple is better than the zip line and the famus mag is still not 30

[twilit garnet]

grapple may be better than zipline for 1 person, the perk of a zipline is that your entire team can use it

[wild apex]

If you’re having issues fighting a class with 100-200 less health than you when almost anything can 1shot them it’s actually a skill issue

[eager wasp]

spear is okay

[drowsy walrus]

its 149

[sudden oak]

where ump

[willow oyster]

dual pistols?????

[small flicker]

dual 93r???????

[crisp pewter]

Hice el evento de twitch por una hora y no conseguí nada 😦

[willow oyster]

dual shoties ?????

[simple lantern]

dual glocks for medium???????????????

AY, I GOT A GLOCK IN MY RARI, 17 SHOTS NO 48

[willow oyster]

here me out

dual daggers

[coral zephyr]

Dual flame throwers

[small flicker]

Dual RPGs, and make each do 350 damage

[novel timber]

Honestly that’s a good idea

[coral zephyr]

Or just make the current revolver usable. Imo it's the same as playing shotgun but way harder because it's so hard to see where you're aiming at in the middle of an intense fight. But at the same time I don't really play medium. So I'm probably just bad :D

[novel timber]

Bro it’s not you the revolver is impossible to use I hit like 2 shots when I use it I hate it

[coral zephyr]

Glad to hear I'm not alone. Also double bow gaming would be pretty cool, wouldn't it?

[novel timber]

That would be interesting to say the least

It would be annoying

[brazen jackal]

id like a crossbow

[late crypt]

Feels like a higher recoil version of the wingman in Apex Legends.

Also I like to use it just to measure how cracked I am for the day hehe. Like, if I can hit my shots, I'll use higher skill/riskier loadouts. If not, I'm moving to safer builds

[novel timber]

Yea basically

[late crypt]

It's hitbox feels weird though ngl. Is there bullet drop?

[novel timber]

Yea

[restive plover]

i love your bio

[north junco]

No revolver does not have bullet drop

[late crow]

[polar cove]

No hitreg guns have bullet drop, only projectile weapons like knives and bow

[round mesa]

remove the rocket launcher now

[sand monolith]

Real

[regal raven]

Same - it has such a weird angle to it. Practiced for a while, and it still seems off . Eventually traded it out for the shotgun again.

[modern citrus]

I love it. Probably my most used weapon atm. The headshot damage is chefkiss

Although I will admit the damage dropoff at range kind of sucks. You get outgunned by every scar/lh1/sniper even if you're nailing headshots. I feel like if you can headshot with a revolver at range you should be rewarded with some good damage.

[regal raven]

I agree about the headshots . They are a special kind of satisying.

The damage fall off is noticeable for sure. It doesnt really engage well in the long range exhanges.

Do you feel the weapon has odd aiming ?

[modern citrus]

There have definitely been times when i feel like the ironsights aren't aligned perfectly, I think because you need to aim a little above where you want to hit. I feel like I've just automatically adjusted now though, so I nail most of my shots.

Also don't sleep on hipfire, you can absolutely use this gun like a shotgun when close-range.

I'm probably not a good metric though because I'm always drawn to the weird niche weapons. My main heavy build right now is the MGL32 with motion sensors lol.

[sour pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/seriously-laugh-laughing-you-serious-jk-simmons-gif-6107729

[torn mantle]

Nerf rpg
That will be all

[tacit shore]

nerf the heavy

and the trowing knives again cuz it just loose 5 damage still 1 hit the light

[untold timber]

Make it so there can only be one heavy on each team.
I'm tired of playing MLL against three heavies

[torn mantle]

TK always could 1-shot lights, even before the buffs. Also that nerf was aimed at light vs mediums, where now it needs 5 knives instead of 4 without headshots. Not to mention that to one-shot a light youd need to land both knives and also land a headshot, which with a lights ability to dodge is rather difficult

[torn mantle]

Tbh heavy is not in that bad of a spot rn, its just rpg thats still very op

[tacit shore]

yea ik that suck bc im playin light

[torn mantle]

One heavy, one med and one light per team

[tacit shore]

idk we dont really care about lightand medium. its the team of triple or double heavythat break the fun

[restive plover]

Revert m60

[untold timber]

Yeah.
There is just no way to kill triple heavies if they don't suck absolute ass

[wild nexus]

someone wanted a heavy precision weapon. i think this would fit the bill https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j90nZ1-K-zQ

[tacit shore]

not really i can but i need to use the dash ability

[untold timber]

Which surprisingly, not a lot of lights use.
I see most use of the cloak

[wild nexus]

ive seen nothing but dash lights for the past 4 days

[untold timber]

At least in Bank it and Tournament I have mostly seen Invis lights

[elder rain]

I think making better and more satisfying hitmarkers would make guns more fun to use

[analog temple]

hologram grenade?

[obsidian island]

Isn’t that mechanically just the slug

[dreamy hare]

looks cool

[analog temple]

also, I think mediums would benifet from a speed burst throwable, with the durability of say the invis grenade.

on second thought, maybe not a throwable... but an injectable.

[north junco]

I didn't say they did? In fact I said the opposite

[burnt gyro]

i got a question before S3 what happend when a new player who had not unlocked any other specilisation and played medium in TA and they only had heal beam did they just not get any specilations

[fickle radish]

He was stuck with healing beam without being able to use it

[burnt gyro]

damm

[fickle radish]

That's why starting med spec got changed to turret

[fleet brook]

Either one or all

Can't change it so they're can only be one of x class on a team then leave you to spam triple M

[exotic skiff]

Nerf rpg, nerf range on XP and lh1 but buff it close. Buff fcar dmg but nerf mag. Put less visual recoil to AK. Buff Lewis recoil. Buff Glitch grenade to be 7s not 5s

[midnight vessel]

Ight Ik this is gonna sound dumb but like a blow dart weapon for lights that inflicts poison damage

It would have bow range but it deals less damage and fires a little bit faster

[torn mantle]

specialization that turns barrels into darts that you can shoot

[tawny cedar]

like artillery? 💀

[fast aspen]

i still want to get some sort of rocket jump via RPG, make it knock back enemies

[near birch]

Actually terrible balance suggestion

[loud merlin]

is this geniune or a bait i can't tell

[exotic skiff]

You are terrible that the difference

[exotic skiff]

Not a bait, would make the game better overall if focus on cashout

[timber sparrow]

is the lewis gun still a solid choice?

[near birch]

Those are all terrible suggestions except for rpg nerf

[hybrid hearth]

It's wonky as shit tell you that, goes like an old ford in offroad

[midnight vessel]

Better light shotgun?

Out of the 2

[near birch]

Yes, still meta

[near birch]

There's 1?

[restive plover]

Feels like shit but still better than the m60 in every way.

[near birch]

Yeah

[midnight vessel]

Is it just the sawed off

[near birch]

Yes

[midnight vessel]

Wrd I might make a sawed off build but at the same time I don’t wanna have to delete my current builds we need more slots fr

[exotic skiff]

And I think your opinion is terrible to say so, you are prolly just a casual spamming power shoft

[near birch]

I am playing at Platinum in both last season and this season

[near birch]

Dude you are literally asking for some of the strongest weapons to get buffed

Also fcar doesn't need any buffs, it's in a fine state as is

[restive plover]

It's perfectly useable, but mostly just a worse akm.

[exotic skiff]

Read again only the range aspect is a problem on the lh1 and xp, fcar doesn't make sense to use she is a akm but worse

[near birch]

The reason AK and Lewis have so much recoil is because they are really powerful weapons

[exotic skiff]

Ak doesn't have recoil but visual cluter

[near birch]

LH1 needs more nerfing

[exotic skiff]

That what I said you are a casual

[near birch]

It's got some pretty strong recoil

[exotic skiff]

If you think AKM got a strong recoil, we don't play the same game

[restive plover]

Eh, not really.

[near birch]

I might just be playing the game wrong, I mean I do use my thumb on shift :p

[restive plover]

Very slow and smooth.

[near birch]

And plus I usually play Shotguns more than automatics

[exotic skiff]

AKM got close to 0 recoil but only visual pb

[near birch]

I just like the feeling of being able to go blam

[exotic skiff]

And the problem of xp and lh1 is the range

[near birch]

XP54 needs to be slower imo

I have no reaction time to getting beamed

[exotic skiff]

Just nerf long range and buff close like a normal smg

[restive plover]

I don't think xp needs to be touched, but lh1 definitely needs its fire rate slashed.

[near birch]

LH1 needs big nerf

[exotic skiff]

XP have a better ttk than LH1

Light is still terrible in cashout

Lh1 is strong in TA because of the gamemode

[timber sparrow]

is it better than the flamethrower? i still see many pros using it

[restive plover]

Everything is better than the flamethrower.

[timber sparrow]

ok lol

[sand monolith]

This isn’t even true

[exotic skiff]

close range full body it is wdym

[sand monolith]

Yes and if you hit a single headshot it is better. Which most players will be doing

[exotic skiff]

Even with a hs it is not

Because xp can do the same and more constant

Close/mid range lh1 vs xp, good player vs good player the xp player will win 80% of the fight

[sand monolith]

Xp headshots have a lower multiplier and you have to hit more and actually track the enemy

The lh1 just needs a small fire rate nerf and its fine really

[exotic skiff]

And lh1 is easy to miss one bullet who lower ur ttk by a lot

Xp is better overall if you wanna kill other light

Lh1 is better on lobby full of heavy (cashout)

[sand monolith]

Yes in a 1v1 specifically where one gun specializes in, that weapon will win. That doesn’t make the other gun bad. The double barrel will also win over the xp up close

[exotic skiff]

I never say the lh1 was bad but just a bit worse overall

Some lobby are better with lh1 and some better with xp but xp is morre versatile

[sand monolith]

Xp also needs a small nerf though. Generalist weapons shouldn’t eclipse any specialist weapons. Which xp does with a lot of weapons on light

[exotic skiff]

Only the range is a problem, you can beam more than a akm or fcar at range. But close range lose against them.

On paper light loose 1v1 against every other class close range.

That why I said nerf the range on both but buff it a bit close

[obsidian island]

What about shotty

[restive plover]

That's how it should be, they're the ambush class.

[midnight vessel]

On paper against a good team light looses against any other class besides lights

[vale obsidian]

fcar is too weak, either need a damage buff + a mag size nerf OR headshot buff

[sacred cypress]

EMBARK Allow heavy players to throw their spears. But not unlimited like the throwing knives. Instead when u throw it once u have to wait for it to come back to ur hand kinda like Thors hammer. It's literally a SPEAR. And having to wait for it to come back even to engage in close range battle prevents it from being overpowered but viable longer distances. Maybe allow players to aim and throw it through by toggling on and off the aiming mode. WE NEED THIS IN THE FINALS.

[radiant vapor]

pls nerf lights they are EVERYWHERE

[tight ingot]

lights shouldn't be able to dash out of the chain. its hard enough to hit the chain then they dash out and one shot you with throwing knives

[radiant vapor]

dash needs a nerf

[exotic skiff]

Light is the worse class in the game except for TA

[tight ingot]

i only die to lights

sledge hit box needs to fixed. i have lost because it just stops destroying walls

[eager wasp]

Sledge needs a tiny nerf imo, bc it one shots basically medium and light, once it hits the floor, it shouldn’t register any more hits, because I can’t tell you how many times as a dual blades main, I’ve been behind them with the heavies hammer on the floor already and all they gotta do is turn around and then I’m dead

[tight ingot]

water is aweful i cant move

moving platforms should be removed

also heavys rush hitbox doesnt work

[cerulean stirrup]

i also hate moving platforms

[cursive lichen]

skill issue

[tight ingot]

i play sledge

[night cobalt]

Buff the CL- 40 fr

[tight ingot]

cl 40 cant even kill a heavy its sad

[night cobalt]

One more shot and shoots 10% faster

[night cobalt]

No it can I think you just need to hit all for your shots directly

is that for the medium or heavy I think medium requires three shots

[tight ingot]

heavy

[night cobalt]

Dam

[halcyon urchin]

man this bow requires a lot of skill

like a lot feels really hard to support team properly

[chilly solstice]

Here’s the thing the timing for it is enough to hit them a few times and possibly kill them

[tight ingot]

but not with sledge or spear

[midnight vessel]

Literally the weakest build type in the game tho 💀

[midnight vessel]

Throwing knives only one shot other lights since the nerf

Even if both knives hit

Imo lights having high dps weapons is the only thing keeping them as a viable option since they’re gadgets kinda suck, they’re movement is about equal to mediums and their abilities are hit or miss

[tight ingot]

light movement is 10x better than med

med has long range or verticle movement

also thermal bore should be a weapon

[young lava]

Should it?

[eternal rover]

Hey, this is my first time commenting in the server. I main heavy and would like to use the SA1216, but as it is now it is terrible. I would like to recommend that the spread be rotated 90 degrees and possibly slightly narrower. I think this could help combat latency and with everyone bunny hopping. (I also think B-hops should be adjusted but I'm more concerned about the shotgun). It would be a small change that wouldn't make it too overpowered. imo. I don't know if any other heavy users feel the same about it.

[tight ingot]

or at least do some good damage or any at all

[midnight vessel]

💀

[bitter forum]

where list of damage numbers?

[timber sparrow]

how do you hit shots with the bow?

[bitter forum]

Hold left click, let go of left click

[timber sparrow]

but at close range

[bitter forum]

Hold left click, let go of left click faster

[timber sparrow]

when the target is jumping around

[bitter forum]

Hold left click, let go of left click faster, jump around as well

[timber sparrow]

so helpful

[bitter forum]

Thank you

[timber sparrow]

have a good day man

[bitter forum]

You as well

[rancid thistle]

Lol

[boreal laurel]

This chat 😂

[boreal laurel]

You should have been around back in beta and S1 when that gun was THE meta. Honestly though, even though the poor 1216 got nerfed a ton (RoF and damage mostly), the spread was never touched. I used to play it a lot, but I haven’t since the nerfs. Before that, the spread never really bothered me. Still, I would back ANY kind of (reasonable) buff to this gun

[eternal rover]

I was around for season one, but I was playing medium when we still had recon sense. I just feel like I can't hit shit with it and past about 5m it doesn't do enough damage compared to the other shotguns. I suck ass at the game though lol, so it could be entirely just me.

[fleet brook]

I couldn't imagine that kinda destruction on command at least for light

[wanton verge]

is there a reason that stun gun hasn't been removed yet

[dark cave]

mods, ban him

[remote ice]

Lol

[abstract marsh]

HGKG'

[humble lagoon]

make wench usable during the 23 minute stun gun duration

[lucid frost]

Real

[novel orchid]

Has Embark release any information regarding the XP gain methods for all weapons and gadgets, because I've figured out through testing that a single goo ball from the Goo Gun give 5 XP or one miss/object grab from the winch gives 30 vs hitting a player giving 43. But I would really like to know if there is a comprehensive list out there?

[empty iron]

it could def be like fire damage and the explosion only does 5 dmg rn so that could be a little higher without being crazy, it would just be kinda funny for a team not paying attention to the sound on the other side of the wall and taking a little damage.

[restive plover]

who aim aims and who no aim aims? I feel like it’s easier to just not have to sit there and AIM aim

[sand monolith]

Bro

[hardy dust]

sa12 is still very strong

[odd parrot]

What's Meta for Heavys in TA? Sa12 or Lewis?

[dreamy hare]

spear

[distant hawk]

whats better now? m60 or lewis gun?

[fast aspen]

i prefer lewis gun myself but it depends on if you want accuracy on the first few bullets or further down the spray.
aka do you use your gun as > 'few bullets > stop > few bullets' or do you just hold left mouse button and give your whole clip to him?
if you're the latter, use m60

[distant hawk]

i didnt played much heavy this season (mostly medium), but when i played heavy, ive only tried lewis gun and felt instantly different, than i remember (very inaccurate), so im just curious. gonna have to try. i think it depends on ur team too, how u gonna play. most lobbys this season is 80% lights and its getting more and more annoying

[hazy spear]

it would be so F-ing funny if this would become a ability for one of the classes to get through walls

[dusty bison]

Is there an in game indication on when the bow is fully charged?

[hazy spear]

yea

[dusty bison]

what is it?

the sound and shiny on the front of arrow?

[fickle radish]

Sound + shiny tip of the arrow

[dusty bison]

ok thx

[rain geyser]

I want this purely because of how stupid it looks

[hazy spear]

it's a weapon idea from a vr game btw (don't remember the name tho)

[spiral dagger]

💀

[lusty echo]

"Can no longer attach to surfaces that are out of bounds" Can somebody explain?

[sacred cypress]

EMBARK Allow heavy players to throw their spears. But not unlimited like the throwing knives. Instead when u throw it once u have to wait for it to come back to ur hand kinda like Thors hammer. It's literally a SPEAR. And having to wait for it to come back even to engage in close range battle prevents it from being overpowered but viable longer distances. Maybe allow players to aim and throw it through by toggling on and off the aiming mode. WE NEED THIS IN THE FINALS.

[toxic bobcat]

I'm still hoping for a day when we would see a good skin for CL-40 in the store. This weapon is no doubt the most ignored weapon when it comes to skins.

[echo ridge]

Why nerf multi hit 😭 Melee weapons were already off meta and multi hits rarely happen

[hazy spear]

possibly because of the REALLY annoying sword and knife lights

[echo ridge]

sword didn't get a nerf, it still multi hits, and light dagger was already the worst weapon in the game

[tight ingot]

Dagger is awesome

Wait heavy sledge can’t hit two people any more

[drowsy pebble]

Did they buff the V95 damage wise because I swear it's dealing more damage than it used to

[tight ingot]

No

[abstract depot]

Nope. Even tho it was so satisfying to do. Especially when a light would try hiding behind someone. It didn’t happen often but it was pure bliss when it did

Missed the right comment lmao

[hazy spear]

i liked it in the beta bit now it's just anoyyyyyying

[twilit parcel]

w

[golden ice]

m60 lot more ammo to spray an pay with and the accuracy boost after shooting 8 bullets is insane

[golden ice]

a forward lunging attack that can pin stun your opponent when hit would be a better right click attack

[severe halo]

hello please nerf the throwing knives. It becomes nonsense to have unlimited knives that cause so much damage. the ranked are infected because of that

[arctic agate]

I agreed, i think embark is still trying to grasp on how to balance them

Before they were too weak, now there too strong

[severe halo]

I agree with you, it's really becoming toxic, all the players are playing it now. There's no more game play

[atomic oar]

hello here

anyone active here

[jolly verge]

the lewis gun is still better than the m60. now the m60 cant compete with most other weapons due to its low damage. if you use the lewis gun also use the mesh shield (or the charge n slam), activate it when the recoil gets too inaccurate (15+ shots) and wait for them to stop shooting or reload, then you can go back to shooting them

[vernal tusk]

Y’all should make it for the thermal vision to auto equip when hitting the button

[distant hawk]

ah yes, i forgot, that they nerfed the damage :/ but thanks for the tips

[brazen jackal]

can my thermal vision be a button press like recon sense thanks

[tropic hearth]

buff MGL32

• let it explode on contact with enemy shields
• let it explode on contact with sentry turrets
• reduce the amount of self damage it deals
  💥 🙏 💥 🙏 💥 🙏 💥 🙏 💥 🙏 💥

[eager wasp]

I somewhat agree with the self damage, it’ll give the heavy more reason not to just sit outside a building spamming into a window 😭

[tight ingot]

RPG self damage is crazy

[orchid arch]

Good idea, probably the best way to buff the weapon without making it overpowered or extremely annoying

[alpine ledge]

Get them mf throwing knives outta here 😂

That bow garbage too😂but let another mf use it the 2 tapping you while you falling and bending corners

[hasty juniper]

the bow is fun and can be really annoying if played right, but remember to take use of it's one main weakness, the charge time. I often find that if someone gets the drop on me while im holding an angle etc I am dead before I even know it.

[fossil willow]

increase radius of glitch barrel from 5 to 500. increase spawn rate of glitch barrel from 10% to 100%. increase size of the actuall barrel from 100% to 10,000%

[fleet kiln]

what would you guys think of a M16A1 weapon (20 mag size) slower rate of fire than FCAR and AKM but increased damage, Thoughts?

[lapis canopy]

that could be dagger skin XD

[hazy spear]

That's a bullet that's usually only usable for a tank mate... That's not fitting for a melee weapon skin

[lapis canopy]

well that give them a reason to buff dagger

[vague pollen]

M60 for facing multiple opponents

[chilly solstice]

R.I.P dagger multi hit

[vague pollen]

luckily it got nerfed, my team was always killed by dagger multi hits

[red dove]

they should make dagger better

[empty iron]

light attack still has multi hit idk if they meant to leave it but its there.

[cloud knot]

In the patch, why would this be a fix? I think if players stacked on each other, they should both be hit. Which one gets hit then? The one with the least HP? I thiink this isn't a fix:

Sledgehammer

Fixed an issue where the Sledgehammer’s secondary overhead swing attack could hit multiple players at once, which was unintended

Does the left click - light attack for the Sledge hit still hit multiple targets, is that intended? Im a sledge hammer Heavy main, so this "fix" seems like a big nerf that when compared to a spear - seems unfair situationally.

[hazy spoke]

i have the best idea ever.

give daggers primary a x1.5 backstab multiplier this would make it so fair

[tight ingot]

plz bro and give charge like more damage if you dont crit

i just got a kill with thermal bore

[oblique anchor]

Nice

[meager abyss]

spear throw > spear spin

[empty iron]

goo plane

[stuck osprey]

Is there any hard info out there about how fast guns gain xp. Like in a match of 5k combat i got about 1k xp on lewis. shit takes forever

[fickle radish]

not much info afaik. On weapons you get on average 1k, thats it

only some stuff can be farmed as fuck like healing beam, glitch mines and goo spec

[stuck osprey]

Feels like it's weapon damage x .25 = xp gained per match. and for pyro nade its something like combat damage * 5 lol

[fickle radish]

might be

[still summit]

I wish that charge and slam would go through multiple floors if you jumped from high enough that would make using the cranes more worth it

[fickle radish]

^^

[small flicker]

crash and slam should destroy the entire house and the surrounding area beyond repair

[eager wasp]

should basically just nuke half the map imo

[restive plover]

Scotty, another heavy has hit the Kyoto tower.

[eager wasp]

[cyan meteor]

buff handgun

[eager wasp]

theres two hand gun

what hand gun want buff

[cyan meteor]

revolver

[eager wasp]

revolver dont need buff

[small flicker]

revolver needs to do exactly 2 more damage per shot and then its good

[willow jungle]

When are throwing knives getting nerfed

[stark basin]

lol

[sand monolith]

It is already good

[sand monolith]

They’ve been nerfed practically back to when they were bad before. It is just a skill issue

[willow jungle]

Really 🤔 it’s basically a light turret has no skill to play them

[sand monolith]

It takes infinitely more skill than any of the hitscan weapons lol

Most of the weapons in this game don’t take much skill. That doesn’t mean they’re op

[willow jungle]

Not at all and there’s no recoil it’s ez

[sand monolith]

No recoil but it’s a projectile

[willow jungle]

Every gun is a projectile…

[sand monolith]

No, all of the weapons are hitscan besides melee, throwing knives, bow, the KS-23, and the nade launchers

[small flicker]

no

[sand monolith]

As far as medium weapons go it is perfectly fine. One of the best on the class if you are consistent

It is unfortunately eclipsed by the model1887 though because the model needs a spread nerf

[small flicker]

not only are you wrong but you are incorrect

[sand monolith]

I literally use the weapon. Just hit headshots

[small flicker]

impossible to do so with only 48 damage

[sand monolith]

Headshots do 148

Bodyshots do 74

[small flicker]

yeah and with 2 damage they would do 150, which is a 1shot headshot on light and therefore the gun is good

[sand monolith]

The gun is already great and does not need to 1 shot light

Hitting 2-3 shots to kill a light is perfectly fine

Medium isn’t supposed to have super strong primary weapons anyways

[small flicker]

its never 2 shots, always 3, therefore its automatically trash

[sand monolith]

Hit 1 head

And it is 2 shots

You can also 2 shot a medium with 2 headshots. The weapon is fine

[small flicker]

nah youre just wrong because you dont understand how strong the revolver can be with that buff. it makes no sense why you need to headshot a light twice to get a kill

[sand monolith]

You only need to headshot the light once

I do understand how strong the revolver would be with that buff. It literally doesn’t need it

Revolver is 1 of 2 weapons on medium that can put heavies in check if you use it right

[small flicker]

no you dont need to headshot once? it does 148 damage, light is 150
at minimum you need a headshot and at least one other source of damage

[sand monolith]

You do not need to headshot the light twice like you said

1 shots should also be as limited as possible and the support/util class definitely does not need one

[small flicker]

yeah thats why heavy has a one shot (hammer), and light has 3 oneshots (sniper, shotgun, bow), very limited

[sand monolith]

Yes, that is very limited lmao. 2 classes have 1 shots and 1 is only on a melee weapon and 2 are on very slow, long ranged precision weapons. And the other one requires you to practically be touching your enemy on the class with the least HP in the game

[small flicker]

oh i forgot about dagger backstab which oneshots both medium and light 😔

[soft shale]

The revolver needing 3 body hits or 1 HS + 1 body on Lights is usually frustrating. But then if it only took 2 body hits the revolver would be insane against Lights.

I don't know how the damage fall off compares between the revolver and M1887, but I guess the revolver would be very very strong where the M1887 can't kill in two shots

[sand monolith]

Another high risk melee weapon

There are already a lot of good players that use the revolver. It literally doesn’t need any buffs it’s completely fine as is. One of the best balanced weapons in the game

[tight ingot]

dagger go brrr

[elder marlin]

fr

[soft shale]

Honestly can't complain about dagger

It's so niche. It requires a very specific gameplay that not everybody can like. I think it's the least frustrating Light weapon to get killed by, because you know the guy has to commit so much to even do anything relevant.

[primal gulch]

woah

[chilly solstice]

Fair it needs some sort of gimmick to make it viable and useful in more than one or two situations

And the backstab multi kill wasn’t even that broken because I think that situations where it happened were rare and deserved

[magic knoll]

Is it worth using wench claw on anything except for SA and sledgehammer?

[soft shale]

I honestly wasn't aware that it could do that. I may have seen it happen once without understanding what went down.

I'm more concerned with infinite TK spam and lunge sword/dash being able to clutch 1v3 in some chaotic scenarios (when getting third partied/low on ammo/low on HP usually)

[blazing tapir]

does anybody know whether or not i could be sent another email with a redemption code for the dissun capacitor skin for the famas that was sent out for free? i think i accidentally cleared my spam folder and delted the original email before i got a chance to redeem the code

[soft shale]

Honestly the winch is a great tool to move cashouts around esp. in combination with the anti-g cube. Not the most competitive loadout but it can be seriously confusing for enemy teams when you manage to move up/grab the cashout and steal in a hard to reach spot.

[blissful wraith]

The lunge attack animation for the katana skin on sword should have been different. I don't want it to do a fencing lunge, I want it to do some kind of unsheathe lunge animation instead! Damnit Embark, big opportunity miss!

[soft shale]

The same combination can be used to move the cashout in a seriously bad spot for attackers, i.e. in the middle of water on Kyoto.

[hot anchor]

how u guys use MGL when enemies right in front of u

[restive plover]

Making dagger viable is a horrible idea as then it'll instantly get nerfed to the ground once players complain

[crude leaf]

I personally love it just the way it is, it provides the biggest learning curve and rewarding players who put in the work

[restive plover]

It could use some tweaks. One of which reverting the multihit change, shit was such a fantastic QoL for dagger to counter bodyblocking on cashouts.

Then get a charge-able backstab like the open beta and I think the weapon is standing on solid ground.

[rare grotto]

GADGETS

[dreamy hare]

shoot into legs, but not to close to you, because its jumps very high, u need to shoot right in their foot

[hot anchor]

thanks
i will try it,
tho i feels like the bomb delay is enough for them to kill me and go away

[hot anchor]

oh

then it should explode as long as contact

[dreamy hare]

when u shoot closer to u, its feels very slow, when that pill falling down, so try shoot directly into foot, sometimes its hard vs lights, but 2 pills easly kill insect

[hot anchor]

yea they are runnign too fast

[dreamy hare]

if it works like in TF2 demoman grenade launcher its will be to OP, even in tf2, valve nerfed his gun to 4 pills in magazine instead of 6 how his model got

who dont know, in tf2 if u hit directly into enemy it's explode instantly, but if it hits something else its takes 2-3 seconds to explode something like that

mgl32 underrated

[hot anchor]

thats so good

[hot anchor]

yea i found this gun kinda strong, even i m noob to it i can do fair damaggs

[dreamy hare]

i think its need more structural damage, 8 pills to destroy wall... really?

[hot anchor]

even ks do better lol

[subtle jackal]

It was fun getting the multi hits and super rare with the dagger, I really don't know why they listen to the casuals more. 😭

[restive plover]

I'd love to see which casual even cared or encountered this specific scenario by the 3 active dagger players out there.

[subtle jackal]

From the players that play the game a fair bit, who would complain about a multi hit from a dagger. It seems more a casual complaint or confusion from what happened

[livid bear]

anyone have tips to hit ur shots better wit the revolver
im good wit it already i jus wanna get better

[lethal crest]

buff 93r😓🙏

[dreamy hare]

training like aimlabs or something like that
when u crouch u can shoot hip fire - its pretty good accurate, even on long ranges

[livid bear]

fs thanks

[humble tree]

Anyone see the medium bundle in the shop , does the gun do anything specific when you get a kill ? I don’t wanna put down 800 coins for standard black gun with a lil fancier attachments

[vale obsidian]

@lean dew oH mY gOd the turret is so over power!!!!

the turret is fine dude, annoying =/= op

[lean dew]

yea that what i mean

[cyan meteor]

make the hand gun +1 dmg or 100% accuracy on hip fire

[vale obsidian]

handgun? there 3 pistol in the game man

[hazy spoke]

Give daggers primary a 1.5x backstab multi pls

[cyan meteor]

revolver

[smoky jackal]

in a game dominated by hit scan, maybe buff the bows draw time so it takes less time for a full charged shot

[loud merlin]

the bow is fine tbh
i used it and realised it just needs a bit more practice and muscle memory but yea
pretty fine

[smoky jackal]

nah playing it at higher ranks doesnt match up to hit scan

[dreamy hare]

how much time motion sensor work? i cant find info on wiki, and cant chek it in game now

[still summit]

If they want to give heavy a handgun it simply has to be a desert eagle

[sacred cypress]

EMBARK Allow heavy players to throw their spears. But not unlimited like the throwing knives. Instead when u throw it once u have to wait for it to come back to ur hand kinda like Thors hammer. It's literally a SPEAR. And having to wait for it to come back even to engage in close range battle prevents it from being overpowered but viable longer distances. Maybe allow players to aim and throw it through by toggling on and off the aiming mode. WE NEED THIS IN THE FINALS.

[rain geyser]

Multihits don't even happen like 99% of the time

[kind cliff]

@dreamy hare its always on like Recon sense as long enemy is visible to Motion sensor area

Good change and not that Broken like Recon as u can destroy it and need place it in first place

[harsh halo]

whats the best gun for medium? ive been liking revolver, but wanna expand a bit

[abstract depot]

Depends if you looking to have fun or go try hard

[harsh halo]

i guess im looking for more tryhard, in most games revolvers are "for fun" weapons to me

[abstract depot]

I would recommend famas. The burst is good. Recoil is controllable and I love the range versatility I have with it

[raven wasp]

I've had very good hipfire spread with it, especially on lights up close

[grizzled notch]

Light saber skin for spear (darth maul style) and sword please and thank you

[eager wasp]

Dual blades.

[slate void]

They should add a tomahawk for medium and sum else for heavy’s to throw

[raven wasp]

Heavy gets a brick or some rocks

[vital hound]

revolvers would be cool if they didn't have that damn delay to them

they don't shoot the second you press LMB, or at least that's what it feels like

[raven wasp]

Thats its true, I feel the same way about the shot guns for medium and heavy

[vital hound]

i feel like at least it makes sense for shotguns, they're slow and heavy hitting

they already nerfed the falloff on the revolver, meaning they don't want it to be a long range weapon, but if that's teh case why is the spread on it so terrible without ADS? and why does it feel so sluggish when the enemy is moving left and right in front of you?

[frank tusk]

i was literally just about to post this

the wizzbanger would make such a good sniper skin, possibly

[raven wasp]

Yet I've seen where the lights shotgun has insta fired, and I'm not sure how but had them unload both barrels almost instantly

[upbeat skiff]

bow has no reason to do as much damage as it does for how easy it is to use

[novel orchid]

and an even bigger problem, The Bow does more damage than the RPG, WHY? Just Why?

[tepid vessel]

I would love a jetpack for heavies. But with fuel management and not single use style.

[cyan meteor]

give the revolver 2+ dmg, why do i have 3 shot a light or 2 with headshot

[timber sparrow]

is sword plus invis a good combo? I just got 26 elims in quick cash with it.

[vale obsidian]

heal beam "might" need a nerf, it out heal too much damage and do too much enabling
something around -30% heal when pocket get damage should be a good starting point

[crude leaf]

Either they nerf the amount of health per second you get or nerf the duration you can use it

People just never seem to get in that "cooldown" state

[twilit garnet]

i see more people using the dash with it

[knotty scaffold]

Is there an easy way to tell exactly when sword lunge is fully charged? I keep trying to wind up and use it on reaction and then releasing too early

[polar cove]

It feels like it's getting hard to be able to put more good weapons in the game, we have a good selection now and people just don't seem to be happy with the new weapons when compared with the originals. Any other gun suggestions feel like they would be copies of other classes, like a desert eagle for heavy just sounds like the revolver for medium

[knotty scaffold]

Really think we need more fictional original weapons tbh.

[midnight vessel]

My blowdart idea is the only thing I could see working as of rn tbh

[low crater]

Maybe a hacking device, make turrets and mines work for you

[knotty scaffold]

I'm thinking stuff like a laser rifle, crossbow, more melees even though I don't want more of those in the game

[low crater]

Oh, weapons, not specs, mb

[hazy spear]

i pretend i didn't read that

[polar cove]

I thought of an infantry rifle type weapon until I realized I was just describing an lh1 for medium

[knotty scaffold]

Dagger one of those weapons that just cant get a buff

Bigger range makes it braindead more damage would only help you kill heavies but a quick melee at the end is basically the same

[lapis canopy]

Why ?

[hazy spear]

just play dagger more often and you see

[rain geyser]

Revolver has the best hipfire in the game

[rain geyser]

I just want them to fix the weapon and have it work properly then I'm happy

[vital hound]

you're joking right?

the hip fire spread is ridiculous

[rain geyser]

It actually does, go in the range and give it a run

[vital hound]

did they buff it?

[rain geyser]

They haven't mentioned it

[lapis canopy]

i admit they fixed the hit box so it way better then what i had at the start of the game ,so yeah i agree whit your they dont need a direct buff

[rain geyser]

I just want noregs and melee to be fixed

[lapis canopy]

what is noregs ?

[rain geyser]

Hits not registering

[lapis canopy]

ho i didnt get that so far whit dagger or any melee weapon

[rain geyser]

#1213572237941284864

Just scroll up and you'll see months of issues

[lapis canopy]

the one thing i still get some time is the secondary fire not being animated correctly (like the anim dont go on at all) but it happen like 1 a month

i admit i only have a 100h of gameplay since the start of the game

[rain geyser]

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[restive plover]

• revert m60

• buff Lewis gun damage +1

• buff medium blade lunge

• buff SA12

• rework rpg to be a destruction gadget

• buff 93R damage

• nerf XP-45 range and damage by 1

• nerf charge and slam initial activation damage. Shouldn’t do 140 damage if it damages a player within a second of its activation

• remove sonar grenades from TA (they shouldn’t be nerfed / buffed based on terminal attack only, best to remove completely from that mode)

[rain geyser]

🔥🔥🔥

[knotty scaffold]

I get that randomly on any weapon or loadout

The secondary not animating*

[lapis canopy]

yeah i see that it just never happen to me, that wierd as fuk

[knotty scaffold]

All of those are good except sonar. I Don't think things are going to be removed instead of an attempt at balancing them

[restive plover]

I only want them out of terminal attack, they aren’t OP in modes like cashout, quick cash, etc. it’s just TA they are a problem in. Therefore, if they get nerfed further because of TA, they’d lose their balance they have in other modes. I don’t want anything balanced just for TA

[lapis canopy]

just quick who use the smoke grenade ? what are the argument to play them ?

i just feel them weak like its not really hiding thing it just slitly harder to se but it doesnt feel enough to change anything

[vestal kelp]

i use them to put out fire

but there are better things to use

[lapis canopy]

yeah that what i was about to say

[hazy spear]

• it's effective against Fire and extinguishes it
• if you use sonar grenade at the same time then you can
  see the enemies behind the smoke
• it helps you to hide if you're in it and use invisibility at
  the same time.

[vestal kelp]

and good at sudden confusion

[lapis canopy]

ho yeah did'nt think of it that way ,i will try tomorrow

like hiding in it whit invis

[midnight vessel]

Thats not a bad gadget idea tbh

[vestal kelp]

but

it should have a long cooldown or temporary

[midnight vessel]

Problem is crossbow would just be sniper that does less damage, laser rifle isn’t a horrible idea, not a whole lot of melees they can’t really do that are unique enough to not just be skins

[knotty scaffold]

Think a little more creatively. This is why you aren't a game dev

[midnight vessel]

Ight bro u ain’t gotta hate on me like that 😭

[carmine nexus]

my weapon is account deletion

[midnight vessel]

I have plenty of skin ideas / cosmetic ideas

But only ideas I’ve had for a new weapon has been nunchucks, a blow dart that deals poison damage, and a scythe

Idk how the nunchucks or scythe would work tho

I can still type 💀

Bro threatening me for what 💀😭

[subtle jackal]

Requires skill to use a bow effectively while the RPG is a low skill damage output

[errant whale]

He got the muted role, thank you @bright current or whoever was that muted him!

[restive plover]

The RPG is not a main weapon. And since that's the case, it actually currently does too much damage.

[empty pilot]

Guys am i the only One Who thinks that the Barrett would be perfect for the medium?

Also they should add a bunch of gun mods like grips, Muzzle brakes, suppressors...

[novel orchid]

I'd say that they require their own skills sets

[novel orchid]

I see your point, but I won't say that the RPG is OP as it does less damage than the mines and you get 2 of those

[tame aspen]

Bow is also a light weapon light weapons always do way more dps

[grizzled violet]

what counts as a launcher for this challenge? medium grenade launcher doesn’t seem to count

[low crater]

It's bugged, they are aware of the problem, just got to wait for them to patch it

[grizzled violet]

bet thanks dude

[obsidian nexus]

alot of people are using the sledgehammer exploit gadget swap dashes

im just gonna keep reporting them for exploits i guess, but i hope itll get patched soon

[midnight vessel]

Its the only thing keeping them viable tbh

[torn mantle]

Rpg can be aim and shot, and doesnt have activation time. Mines need to be placed, activated, then they can also be avoiding by seeing them, unlike rpg where by the time you saw it its probably too late (especially for cloak lights and all mediums)

Rpg is also on a class that besides having that as a gadget, also gets specialities like charge and slam which does an instant 130 damage if youre nearby. A heavy with rpg and literally any source of damage in a very small quantity one shots a light. A heaby with rpg and charge and slam can kill a medium without even using a weapon. Thats the problem

[abstract depot]

Just throwing this out there after a discussion with a buddy but what do y’all think about making snipers projectile based and not hit scan. The game already has both and I feel like that change could make a good impact on the game bcuz as of right now snipers are playing a point and click adventure game

[torn mantle]

I think itd be a good change, personally

Would make the SR more skill based, as snipers are intended to be and tbf no one would be really able to complain as much about snipers since the one who sniped em is probably just very skilled if they managed that (without hitscan)

[torn mantle]

The mode that suffers most from sniper-spam is power shift, and since theres a moving platform, itd prob fix sniping in that mode

[abstract depot]

Give the projectiles travel time and drop would definitely help with the random deaths from 250m away

[abstract depot]

That is exactly what we said. At that point we wouldn’t be as mad from sniper deaths because it takes much more skill

[restive plover]

• revert m60

• buff Lewis gun damage +1

• buff medium blade lunge

• buff SA12

• rework rpg to be a destruction gadget

• buff 93R damage

• nerf XP-45 range and damage by 1

• nerf charge and slam initial activation damage. Shouldn’t do 140 damage if it damages a player within a second of its activation

• remove sonar grenades from TA (they shouldn’t be nerfed / buffed based on terminal attack only, best to remove completely from that mode)

[novel orchid]

if you wish to go that route, there are many weapons on the light class that can one shot the light, but on the heavy there is none except for the sledge secondary which is so televised that it might as well not count and is a melee

[agile umbra]

What weapons are counted to contract 1 stage 3? Played on medium model 1887 and light sh1900, did not count at all. I don't want to play grenade launchers🥲

[small flicker]

i think its bugged from what i heard

[agile umbra]

Oh that makes sense

[sage shale]

Does the pyro grenade still work when you hit a terminal? Had two times where I threw one at a terminal and it did nothing.

[smoky jackal]

nerf the ak ammo count, its just a med spray and pray weapon

[eager wasp]

nuh uh

[abstract depot]

Has anyone had the problem where you hit someone with the wench claw hit marker and everything but it never snatches them?

[low crater]

Yeah, especially with canisters.

[abstract depot]

I had it happen to me several times against enemies one game. I think it might have something to do with them being mid jump. But it’ll even show it in the damage feed if they kill me

[eager wasp]

hmm I’ve been snatched mid jump MANY times I wish it wouldn’t work then

[low crater]

If you had any other specialization there

[sick dirge]

Right

[sick dirge]

I originally had sniper, but switched to lh1. That’s why I had the grapple

[low crater]

Sniper rifle saves the day, as per usual

[abstract depot]

Snipers avoiding death at all cost as usual. If I make the effort to run my heavy to the ends of the earth to kill you stay and fight like a man.

[small flicker]

do you guys think spear alt animation and sword alt animation should be switched? aka spear can deflect bullets while sword has some cool multihit ballet animation

[low crater]

While that makes sense, heavy really doesn't need a damge reducer with deflecting damage.

[small flicker]

i know, just thought itd be a cool idea

[low crater]

It is. Tbh, for a sec I thought it was a way better idea

[languid pelican]

It got me thinking, adding a whip weapon to the game would be pretty cool... 🤔

Mid to close range like the flame thrower, alternate attack does a slight stun or movement restrictions for a short time? Maybe - it be nice addition to the light class since it has only one meele weapons... But the Medium and heavy needs more weapon variety to the honest

[low crater]

It could be used to launch grab and launch carriables with more precision

[languid pelican]

That'd be pretty cool too

[languid pelican]

We all know the heavy lacks in weapon variety,

Search Arnold launcher on Google 😂.
Adding this type of weapon ( projectile ) with like 4 charges, does 1/3 damage of an RPG, right click takes a bit longer to fire but maybe fires tracking projectiles or unloads a barrage of remaining projectiles 😜

Else it could be an Rpg skin

[low crater]

A tracking projectile in this game is the best way to make this community riot

But otherwise it's a pretty dope idea. Actually, I feel like it should be a specialization or gadget, And it shoots the 4 projectiles in a random bullet path, does 1/4 of rpg player damage each, but each has the same amount of arena damage as the rpg

[still summit]

Compound bow skin when?

[small flicker]

dont look at light gadgets

[timber sparrow]

nerf akm it is a zero skill weapon

[restive plover]

People are bitching about the akm now? Fascinating.

[abstract depot]

only one?

[eager wasp]

the ak is fine

[torn mantle]

"There are many light weapins which can one-shot the light". Yes, weapons, not gadgets.

[unborn gust]

They need a dmr like gun that deals 60dmg to the body 80dmg to the head and has good range for medium. Has 5 ammo and is a 2.6 reload. Give it iron sights so it’s not too op.

[polar cove]

Doesn't sound very op to begin with with 5 shots

[junior urchin]

Make the sniper projectile and make the KS hitscan. Let's see how much the meta change

[ornate blade]

Why doesn't the Glitch Grenade scramble the Medium Turret, it scrambles every other piece of tech in the game but not that?

[restive plover]

Unlike glitch grenades, it doesn't deactivate gadgets that have already been put down. This also applies to mines, other traps, and dome shields.

[devout matrix]

Hello my good friends

I love revolver when your aim is good no one can beat you

[misty axle]

You basically described a shittier revolver.
Which does 74/148 with 6 shots mags.

Also, so far, guns either have a 1.0/1.5/2.0x headshot multi, so a 1.33x would be kind of weird?
The CL-40 sort of has a 1.33x multi on direct hit vs close splash.

[ornate blade]

Damn I’m real dumb, I thought it worked on anything placed too

[novel orchid]

If they did that the lights would come out the woodwork to complain heavy is even more of a no skill class compared to before

[novel orchid]

RPG doesn't one shot the light either the talk here is about the amount of damage something can do over range, I am just telling you if one shoting lights was the problem those weapons would've been taken out a long time ago

And the rpg only has one shot compared to the mines 2 and has a longer cool down to balance its range advantage

[torn mantle]

I think you're completly ignore what I just said. Those are weapons, that need headshots to one shot lights. Rpg is missle, a gadget and can be taken out instantly

You literally said the same thing again, even after I explained exactly what it makes no sense

[mint hemlock]

does anyone have advice on what weapons on medium are best suited for dealing with lights? i seem to end up struggling with them a lot compared to any other class? it might be the smaller frame but im not sure. been considering using the grenade launcher

i think i might just have a skill issue

[elder canopy]

Im recently whooping light asses with the FAMAS. Glitch Trap is helpful too as they cannot use their dash when trapped. Gasmine works like a critter killer, they always run away when i deploy them.

After the recent nadelauncher nerf its probably better to go with smth else imo.

[mint hemlock]

thank you for the insight, will def test out those

[elder canopy]

You're very much welcome!

[sacred cypress]

EMBARK Allow heavy players to throw their spears. But not unlimited like the throwing knives. Instead when u throw it once u have to wait for it to come back to ur hand kinda like Thors hammer. It's literally a SPEAR. And having to wait for it to come back even to engage in close range battle prevents it from being overpowered but viable longer distances. Maybe allow players to aim and throw it through by toggling on and off the aiming mode. WE NEED THIS IN THE FINALS.

[novel orchid]

Rpg is missle, a gadget and can be taken out instantly
this is a valid point but you are forgetting that you can explode the mines instantly aswell with quickmelee

[sand monolith]

Yes and they do far less damage when you do that because they are unprimed

[torn mantle]

Pretty that sure will also damage the one throwing them as well

And, besides that, for that to be viable, theyd need to be right next to you, and you'll damage yourself in the process and probably not even kill them, compared to rpg which has range and always does the same dmg.

[novel orchid]

I see, where you are coming from, but due to suffering from a condition called being a heavy main I am not gonna admit that the RPG is OP

[torn mantle]

Fair

[slow flare]

Wait the glitch grenade doesn't deactivate Turrets?

[restive plover]

The glitch trap doesn't, it just won't let you put it down if you're in range. The glitch grenades/barrels will deactivate placed turrets.

[vague monolith]

Charges are kind of useless rn. Next to no reason to run breach charge or C4

[azure dawn]

I've been wanting it to change for so long. They made the change I recommended to breach charge this season and then made it obselete by making thermal bore

[vague monolith]

I feel like medium could use the the breach charge or C4 more than heavy or light at this point

[umbral dragon]

light has 2 mele weapons

[sly estuary]

it could be like volpe nano technology shit that lets it wrap around barrels and stuff

[umbral dragon]

that would be fire

[sly estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-yeah-brock-brawl-stars-gif-19328536

https://tenor.com/view/jesus-ballin-mars-bars-gif-19910027

nah the epic embed fail epic embed failed

wait oh is there no gifs here

[sly estuary]

light has two melee dagger and sword

i think it would be fitting for medium cuz it makes up for the lack in range

[languid pelican]

Hmmmm

[unborn gust]

I see now I’m not too experienced with this game so thankyou for telling me.

[sly estuary]

i got a great idea for a sword skin

one of those extendable skewers and u have a luinge animation where it extends

[cyan meteor]

buff the aps turret and the revolver

[civic cairn]

I would love to see a Pepper gun for the Light class, kind of like the Shortstop from Team Fortress 2. I think it would fit nicely!

[smoky jackal]

there should be a weapon or gadget that light or med can use that does dmg based on base max health of the target

[heady ember]

C4 should be buffed. It does less damage at point blank than the breach charge.

[tropic hearth]

🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏

Please give the MGL32 a quality of life pass. It just needs a couple adjustments to be more usable.

• make it so that it explodes on contact with shields
• make it so it explodes on contact with turrets
• allow it to pop the canister balloons instead of just bouncing off of them
• and please slightly lower the self damage pretty please 🙏 🍒

it's so close to being a truly viable weapon, but it has these small little annoyances holding it back

please Embark give this thing some love
or at least give it a cool skin

[tropic hearth]

seriously
the only thing it has over the explosive mines is slightly further throwing distance and like 10 more damage
but in exchange it only carries 1 and has a longer cooldown
it's so bad I never even consider taking it

[wise briar]

New weapon idea for M: Stake gun. Fires very sharp pointy wooden stakes like a crossbow. Longer range projectile will set the stake on fire (with drop off) dealing more damage if hit. Only 1 stake per shot ( Like bow ).

[hardy dust]

Well, every single class has 2 melees

[novel orchid]

when they saw how it was being used in season 1 they said watch me, nobody's gonna use this thing from nowon

[sly estuary]

actually c4 is viable in certain situations if ur good at it@lucid surge uses it for example

dropping cashout, stopping steal, creating holes for fishing, damage while running away

i do agree that it needs a buff in damage

[reef sage]

Just give it a second charge how it used to be and call it a day

Nukes are long gone, it's time to get C4 into a working shape

[sly estuary]

i mena nukes are onlky gone cuz of the c4 nerf

with two they might still happen every once in a while

[ionic wave]

Can we remove the stun gun?

[sly estuary]

dude i dont understand why they didnt just revert all those c4 changes and just make it so u cant place more than one c4 on the barrels

[sly estuary]

skill issue

[ionic wave]

Your thought process is a skill issue.

[sly estuary]

that makes no sense but ok 😂

stun gun really aint that bad

[low crater]

"CaN wE REmOVe STuN guN" you can still shoot and use gadgets, relax.

[sly estuary]

like i would be honestly happy if they removed it but unless u have 3 lights with glitch and stun its doable

[ionic wave]

It is a nuisance that doesn't seem ultimately necessary, it removes aiming (albeit the whole gunplay of the game doesn't focus on it too much unless you use snipers/precision) but still. I don't see the ultimate purpose for it, seems like a redundant tool to just say "Hey look at me, I can't secure a kill without this crutch"

[sly estuary]

for 3 seconds

since when can u not aim

[ionic wave]

Wait you can aim even when stunned? Odd. Usually it doesn't work when I attempt to aim, but I haven't experienced too many stuns, although there has been enough to hear the distaste for it.

And the attempted aim has been, basically every fucking time

Still, besides that, 3 seconds is enough to secure a kill against any light-medium, possibly a heavy if they suck enough ass or, if you hit all headshots with a high damage weapon

[next axle]

thers no notes in the patches talking about it but the V9S getting a fire rate nerf was un-needed and now its useless

[ionic wave]

What is the V9S?, need a refresher

[next axle]

pistol for lights, was finally usable again after being pretty much useless and now its back to being pretty much useless

[ionic wave]

It's not useless, it's just slow, and slow firing pistols aren't all innately terrible. Aim for the head, and sneak up on them.

It's a suppressed pistol, not a fully automatic, you can coarse yourself around it to make a different playstyle

[next axle]

it doesnt have the damage output to be "slow" thats what the sniper and LH1 are for

and what both do better

[ionic wave]

And do you know why it was nerfed? Because high-level players whined and moaned about it. Not all, but enough apparently.

And you have a fair point there, but, maybe to circumvent the whole nerf, just decrease the damage slightly and make the firerate as fast as you can pull the trigger

[sand monolith]

C4 is still great I have no idea why anyone complains about it. It’s just not a must pick anymore thank god

[obsidian shard]

which gadgets are best for m11

[eager wasp]

its hard to tell because every teammate thats every ran the m11 on my team likes to stand and stare at enemies after rushing into a room by themselves full of people (i hate m11 users)

[low crater]

Depends on the gamemode and what your spec is. Assuming your running ranked TA, I'd say bore/breach charge, invisbomb/thermal vision(for seeing invis enemys), and sonar.

[keen crane]

Should just make barrels explode in one hit when people are carrying them and kept them the same otherwise

[north snow]

i would like it if the revolver was accurate when not aiming down sights

currently its something like, 75% of the time it goes where the crosshair is, and then 25% of the time it goes off in a random direction, makes it inconsistent

[regal raven]

Yea fr

[regal raven]

Point blank shot at someone very close range and it still just ... missed. Theres now way only one of the 3 hit if this was consistent. Plus it should have been a headshot and it dealt normal damage.

[north snow]

too my knowledge, sniper and the medium shotgun are accurate when hipfiring, seems weird not too have it on revolver when it is essentially just a rifle

[regal raven]

That explains a lot ... it definitely seemes slower and the melt rate is notably affected. I love spamming the trigger and having it match the fire rate . It did not need a nerf whatsoever imho. Maybe a damage decrease if it was really such an issue.

[next axle]

yeah idk if they did it on accident or what but i have footage from before the patch and after showing it fires slower so who knows

[violet harness]

If they gonna nerf light nerf the sword damn

[wild nexus]

How the hell do you use heavys grenade launcher with low gravity on

[loud merlin]

thats the neat part
you don't

[wild nexus]

Low gravity is basically just fuck heavy mode

[loud merlin]

and if you used a jump pad during that
you basically dig your own grave atp

[wise briar]

Dear embark, i want a Pp-19 Bizon smg for M

*Snaps finger. Chop chop

[steel oyster]

Thoughts on a Healing Bomb that works like a vanishing bomb but gives everyone hit with it a 50 or 60 HP bump, up to their max health, not over it. For mediums that way they could help heal themselves but also boost the health of teammates nearby. Maybe same cooldown as a vanishing bomb

[next axle]

im literally sayin

[balmy nimbus]

a scoped assault rifle for medium build which works as a supportive medium to long range weapon. preferably M4 with classic ACOG style scope

[restive plover]

• revert m60 to S2 m60

• buff Lewis gun damage +1

• buff medium blade lunge

• very slight tiny buff to SA12

• rework rpg to be a destruction gadget

• buff 93R damage

• nerf XP-45 range

• nerf charge and slam initial activation damage. Shouldn’t do 140 damage if it damages a player within a second of its activation

• remove sonar grenades from TA (they shouldn’t be nerfed / buffed based on terminal attack only, best to remove completely from that mode)

• Buff MGL / rework needed to be viable and taken seriously

• Buff medium grenade launcher. Latest nerfs to this weapon and heavies LMGs were too much.

[slow dragon]

Add more delay to the grabbing claw so that heavys with spears can't attack instantly. Not by a huge amount, but enough where a medium at least can get outside of the range. So like a 1 second delay about.

[arctic agate]

I don't think that they will nerf xp-45s damage bc then it will just be a slightly more accurate m11 with 10 less bullets bc they both do the same damage

[arctic agate]

Make them have to use both hands for winchclaws

[restive plover]

I swear the community wants heavy incapable of doing any kind of good damage lol

[arctic agate]

Yes.

Not actually though I just feel like embark has a hard time balancing weapons for heavy

[regal raven]

What do you mean rework rpg for "destruction gadget" ? Like only for infrastructure .

Also the range of the xp definitely doesnt need a nerf it falls off at long distances pretty noticeably.

I agree with the charge n slam nerf. Its totally wack to be dealt damage + knocked out of position. Its over the top.

[arctic agate]

Preach

[restive plover]

RPG shouldn’t be crutch. It should do 60 damage and more environmental destruction just as a rough idea. No class needs a 140 instant kill button.

XP doesn’t behave like a SMG at range. It beams like a AKM.

Charge is also a crutch panic button. Heavy needs good weapons. Not broken utility. Literally like every other class.

So let LMGs be decent, with more recoil than an AR, but good damage as a reward for hitting shots. Like an actual LMG.

[restive plover]

Literally just nerf broken RPG and charge and buff the weapons and heavy is tolerable and falls into line with other classes.

Let the tank class be a tank class but actually take effort 🤯

[arctic agate]

Buff the weapons???? You have to be more specific than that bc the Lewis does not need to be buffed at all, the spear needs a slight nerf because it makes the sledgehammer irrelevant the m60 is balanced mgl is odd? Flamethrower needs a nerf ks is also weird and the sa is mostly balanced

I do agree with the RPG nerf though

[restive plover]

Have you even tried to play heavy lmg in a high elo lobby man?

[arctic agate]

Ive played against them and I get spammed by the same builds every time

[restive plover]

Try playing it

[arctic agate]

Bet

[restive plover]

Spear loses to almost every weapon unless you hit the alt attack which barely functions idk what to tell you

Tbh I think it should stay that way. No fucking reason to give heavy another aoe weapon let alone a viable one.

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-smoking-sadge-pepe-smoking-pepe-sadge-gif-16948267171533269841

Light mains try not to argue for the game to be catered to them challenge: impossible

[restive plover]

Asking for a weapons alt attack to stay barley functional is crazy 💀

[arctic agate]

14 and 5, all I had to do was sit with dome and sa with winchclaw if any lights tried to run away, not hard

[restive plover]

Nice job using the LMGs like I said and instead heavies best utility currently 👍 so fun to use that boring play style to do well I guess in your case.

Heavy isn’t hard to play right now. I’m just saying things need to be switched around on what’s good or not damage wise. God forbid I guess 🤦‍♂️

If you don’t want heavies to kill you and you want everything they have nerfed, just start asking for them to be removed at this point 🤣

[arctic agate]

Your saying it like I just broke up with your sister it's not that deep😭

[restive plover]

Whatever man

[arctic agate]

God forbid if anyone retorts your opinion 😭

[restive plover]

Ah damn you right so I should just agree with you since that makes you right

[arctic agate]

Nope, my opinion is as good as yours

[summer timber]

What about mines...

[restive plover]

Dagger is barely functional and yet embark hasn't done much. I'm not taking a fix into account with my statement.

[arctic agate]

Yours is at the top everyone has to agree with you or else

[restive plover]

Never said yours wasn’t, it seems like asking for a heavy buff def triggers something in u tho lol

[arctic agate]

Nope, just retorting your opinion😭

[summer timber]

I think lights should have Infinite Invisibility and a one shot weapon

[arctic agate]

Yes

[spare lion]

is LH1 a marksman rifle?

[summer timber]

Only on Saturdays

[spare lion]

for the contract

[spare lion]

thanks mate

[restive plover]

Small buffs/QoL to heavy is fantastic n im all in for it, but when people start asking for RPG, Charge, SA buffs something just ain't right

[restive plover]

Never asked for a charge or RPG buff, I asked for those to be nerfed and LMGs to be buffed lol

i'm not pointing fingers

Aight my bad

though i saw some rather "open minded" fellas in the feedback channel asking for SA buffs and Dash nerfs at the same time

[restive plover]

Light is finally good, they just need to bring the other classes on a similar level

LH1 remains an issue

[arctic agate]

That weapon gives me aids

[restive plover]

Just not substantial cuz no one cares about light

Maybe TK? Like they're not OP but are just way too easy to get value out of it's actually insane to me.

Playing a light and fighting TK is almost always a losing fight

[arctic agate]

Are you talking about the game orrrr

[dapper idol]

Hit the back

[restive plover]

Wow, that's a genius idea.

Definitely no one thought of using the backstab weapon on the back

[dapper idol]

I know it is 😎

I forgot to add sarcasm in my previous message sorry 😔

It’s whole gimic is fat damage if you hit their back

So yes it’s bad from the front, it requires skill

[sand monolith]

Extremely hard to tell if they’re valid or not because they could be TA players

[sacred cypress]

Embark, Allow heavy players to throw their spears. But not unlimited like the throwing knives. Instead when u throw it once u have to wait for it to come back to ur hand kinda like Thors hammer. It's literally a SPEAR. And having to wait for it to come back even to engage in close range battle prevents it from being overpowered but viable longer distances. Maybe allow players to aim and throw it through by toggling on and off the aiming mode. WE NEED THIS IN THE FINALS.

[rain geyser]

The spear kinda sucks ngl
I wouldn't say that it makes sledge obsolete though

[rain geyser]

This doesn't always net you a backstab :)

Thank you Embark

For making a weapon that's 100% functional with no issues whatsoever

[fleet brook]

Is it still a light meta?

[sand monolith]

In terminal attack yes, in cashout no

[near birch]

Allow explosive jumping

[craggy dune]

fcar or ak

[near birch]

Specifically for c4, breach charges, rpg, grenades, mines, etc

[torn mantle]

Ak

[eager wasp]

ak for everything else

Fcar if you have really good aim

Ak is more forgiving if you don’t hit all your shots

[sacred cypress]

Let heavy players to throw their spears. But not unlimited like the throwing knives. Instead when u throw it once u have to wait for it to come back to ur hand kinda like Thors hammer. It's literally a SPEAR. And having to wait for it to come back even to engage in close range battle prevents it from being overpowered but viable longer distances. Maybe allow players to aim and throw it through by toggling on and off the aiming mode.

[empty pilot]

I think they should Nerf a bit the heavy build and buff a bit the light

[harsh halo]

https://tenor.com/view/daring-today-are-we-spongebob-squidward-gif-22508233

[ionic arrow]

Bruh change the turret back

[true dragon]

They NEED to nerf the flamethrowers so bad!

[eager wasp]

nuh uh

I disagree with buffing light, light is pretty good rn

[restive plover]

How many more nerfs do you want to heavy bruh

[eager wasp]

light needs less buffs for weapons and more reason to be helping out their team and not trying to go for kills and only kills

[burnt shuttle]

Fax

[fleet brook]

No

I don't want another light meta they suck

[torn mantle]

Light doesnt need a buff but heavy does need a nerf

[sand monolith]

a heavy nerf is the best light buff

[fleet brook]

Another nerf?

[torn mantle]

Wdym "another nerf"? Have you not seen how many nerfs lights been getting?

While heavy gets another very strong spec

[fleet brook]

You sound like a kid mad because another kid has a better toy

[torn mantle]

Even counts a medium buff

[fleet brook]

Light metas are cancerous I've played through them last one made me quit for 3 weeks

[torn mantle]

So heavy should just be meta 24/7?

[fleet brook]

You're acting irrational and like you wanna fight

[sand monolith]

the only time light has ever been meta is in terminal attack and when the lh1 was the best weapon in the game for a week

[fleet brook]

Tks were very much meta after there buffs so much so they were immediately tuned

[torn mantle]

You realise what balancing is, right? The "toys" are actually overpowered items that make everything else look like a joke, but you're only taking it seriously when you start complaining about lights.

[sand monolith]

they were meta for light. not meta

[torn mantle]

And heavy's been meta for months and didnt get any tuning

[fleet brook]

They're best weapons (lmgs) got nerfed

And the KS -23 is still garbage

Heavies been nerfed several times

[sand monolith]

and remains meta

[fleet brook]

"Didn't get any tuning" is incorrect

[fleet brook]

Not arguing that I'm arguing is if you've been playing since beta every class has been tuned alot

[sand monolith]

i mean yeah obv, beta 1 was in like march 2023

[fleet brook]

Also heavy has been tuned a lot "didn't get any tuning" was just a lie

Hence why I said they just wanna argue because whenever I disagree they just jump to the next extreme

"I don't like light meta"

"So heavy should be meta 24/7"

A I like waffles situation

So you hate pancakes

[sand monolith]

so you hate lights

[crystal garnet]

Is the launchers / shotgun challenge bugged or is it expecting me to use a different class of weapon?

[fleet brook]

Is that ironic

Because you're literally doing the thing I said

[sand monolith]

so you hate mediums

[fleet brook]

Yes (joking)

[cyan meteor]

buff revolver for med thats i all i care

[fiery trellis]

Mine is same I've used many and still done no progress apparently

[torn mantle]

Okay, that was wrong of me, but its still more powerful then it should

[smoky jackal]

can we change the flamer so it doesnt blind people its shooting at?

[midnight vessel]

I think the main issue is its kill speed

I can usually whoop a flame thrower with melees the issue comes when they winch me or goo stun me and then melt me in 5 secs

[lunar flare]

yo, didnt it use to be l/m/h channels in the discord?

[sand monolith]

They’re still there

Discord is weird now you have to opt in to specific channels

[alpine ledge]

The only thing annoying is then throwing knives. Ts be blowing me

[smoky jackal]

mines shouldnt start recharging until they go off

[sly estuary]

light is like in its best state rn what is bro on

meanwhile the two most meta weapons of heavy have been significantly nerfed this season and light has 7 second regen while heavy still has 10

cry less, get better

[tidal wind]

Can someone explain to me why ks23 has such dog shit damage at range, and at the same time is never center of screen accurate/ not hitscan?

[sly estuary]

damage fall off

[tidal wind]

well ya, dmg fall off but why does the gun have it

[sly estuary]

its a projectile weapon not a gun

[tidal wind]

it's hard to hit at range and when it does its destroyed by dmg fall off is all I'm trying to say

[sly estuary]

so u have to lead a bit

its not meant to be a sniper its good at close to medium range

[tidal wind]

Feels all risk no reward is all I'm saying

[empty iron]

xp54 and m11 have too small of a spread

[main cove]

Hey embark if possible can you add a second charge to grapple for light.

[torn mantle]

Heavies biggest unbalance issues have always bern rpg and charge, not m60 and lewis, tough those were stronger then needed as well.

Just because light is better then before against heavy it doesnt mean its fixed

[arctic agate]

It's such a annoying weapon to fight against playing as light, it does wayyyy to much afterburn damage

It's a line of damage that does a little bit too much damage

[torn mantle]

Tbh one thing I noticed is that flamethrower is much less effective in vegas and sys$horizon

[arctic agate]

That I do agree so I can actually move

[torn mantle]

Still frustrating, yes, but its easier to hit and run y'know?

[torn mantle]

Yeah

[arctic agate]

The problem is the afterburn damage does way too much

Like what 40?

[torn mantle]

Is it just me or can you die from the afterburn?

[arctic agate]

How do you think flamethrower user kills people?

Like ill kil them and then I die to the afterburn😔

[torn mantle]

True. I think they should remove that. Makes flamethrower more of a team-weapon

[torn mantle]

Yh, a literal pain

[arctic agate]

Me personally I think all classes should have passives like gas, fire, etc does less damage, mediums grenades charging a bit faster and heavy does like melee damage? Idk it just random things

[torn mantle]

Like heavy does more quick melee dmg, medium gets faster gadget recharge?

What could lighg get tough?

[arctic agate]

Gas fire and like elements do less damage

[torn mantle]

This actually reminds me of a different concept: passive skills

[arctic agate]

Like I said Im just throwing random things out there for a example

[torn mantle]

Tbh itd be a cool concept

[arctic agate]

Yea that's what I said

[torn mantle]

Like you have 3 gadgets, the 2 abilities (spec and pasive) and 1 weapon

[arctic agate]

Pretty muchhhh

[jade portal]

How can you think the bow in not over powerd

It do 120 fully charged that half my helth as a medium

And 180 if head shot and it is not hard to get a headshot

You guys are insane

[cyan meteor]

buff the revolver with 2+ dmg or shoot faster

do one better let it fan the hammer like MCree his right click from OW

[jade portal]

Yes

[tidal seal]

please undo the nerf to the m60 it was in a good place for once and now its garbage

[idle reef]

Anyone know if any of the revolver skins have custom animations/which ones? Want to use my spins. (Also, can you use store animations on skins that have their own custom ones or are those ones locked?)

[sly estuary]

its overpowered in the hands of a very skilled player, which is the point of the entire light class

most people find it difficult to hit shots with it, much less headshots

[sly estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/baissez-le-son-le-son-tintin-hadock-tournesol-gif-22784271
blud is professor calculus from tintin

[sly estuary]

nah its so good now headies are easy af

[jade portal]

Ya but 120 damage in 3 seconds with no reload is insane

[jade portal]

More like 1.5 seconds but Samething

[sly estuary]

uh no it takes longer than you think to reload

*draw the string i meant

[jade portal]

It’s not that slow

[sly estuary]

it is

[jade portal]

It’s like one second

[sly estuary]

esp when the other guy is moving it makes shots really hard to hit thery can easily get behind an obstacle

[sly estuary]

thats a lot and and its a bit more than that

[jade portal]

But 120 in one shot is crazy in the first place

[sly estuary]

i mean u cna get the same amount of damage with an fcar in 2 seconds

[jade portal]

2 seconds no

[sly estuary]

yeah

[jade portal]

Maybe but 120 in on shot is still a lot half a mediums helth

[sly estuary]

more consistnetly too

dude how much it is in one shot doesnt change the fact that its dps is comparable

[jade portal]

And you have to thing about team mates too

[sly estuary]

embarks already ruined light weapons and made them easier to use among the masses

[jade portal]

A medium to half helth immediately is insane

[sly estuary]

like lh1 for instance which used to be high skill high reward

[jade portal]

That I can agree

[idle reef]

pov RPG

[sly estuary]

if they nerf bow it will be practically unusable amongst regularly skilled people

[jade portal]

The bow don’t rilly ha a a lot of drop

[sly estuary]

fr its a gadget too 💀

[sly estuary]

that or it wont be high skill anymore

[jade portal]

That always needed a nerf

Still dose

[idle reef]

in the end bow really isn't that broken, high skill (most people cant aim). It's what LH1 used to be

[jade portal]

Yes the LH1 is still good tho too

[jade portal]

You hit your shots it’s just dead

[idle reef]

it was good but underutilized, it got buffed, it was broken, it got nerfed. I think bow is fine unchanged, doesn't really need a nerf. QoL changes are all I see

[midnight vessel]

Everything other than LH1, Winch Claw, and flamethrower feel balanced

[exotic skiff]

flamethrower is a bad weapons wdym

[regal raven]

Flamethrower is almost broken , it sprays aoe damage (no aim) and has an afterburn that nearly guarantees being elimination if you re caught out of position as a light, and frequently enough medium.

[exotic skiff]

Flamethrower is trash compare to other weapons on heavy idk what are you smoking

ttk is terrible and no range

[plush harbor]

flamethrower is annoying

[exotic skiff]

Flamethrower is a noob killer that all

[regal raven]

I played the flamethrower to learn how to play against it and its super easy to scorch down lights and mediums . You literally dont have to aim and the afterburn is pretty much insurance.

[exotic skiff]

Like I said everyother weapons have better ttk/range no point of playing flamethrower

[ebon cedar]

The auto shotty, sledgehammer, spear, are way better close range weapons

I can’t kill fast enough with a flamethrower it was busted in the last beta tho

[exotic skiff]

Never was busted tho

[ebon cedar]

It was in the last beta

[regal raven]

I agree they are better close range. To clarify i think the afterburn is a nerfable spot . It seems a bit ridiculous to die a few seconds after you already took down the guy and are already on to other things.

[ebon cedar]

closed beta, whatever you wanna call it

[ebon cedar]

Fair enough

[exotic skiff]

There is nothing to nerf on a terrible weapons

Keep it like that

[idle reef]

Flamethrower's main good quality is the fact you can almost always guarantee a trade on yourself, but that's 80% of kills you're gonna get which means sacrificing yourself a lot

Something invaluable that isn't mentioned a lot about flamethrower is the fact you can counter both goo and gas, which is something nice to have on hand, but doesn't make it viable. It is, and always will be, more of a gimmick weapon that I keep in my back pocket incase the 2-3 sword light team somehow makes it to the next round and I need to fry them to a crisp