💣┇weapons-gadgets

[loud merlin]

well i mean it still got a pretty good reload time in between
i won't say it's that bad
definitely not the 93R bad

[misty axle]

I feel like the range on the APS was too small to feel reliable and being able to place one and have it work instantly was situationally overpowered.
Also, if you're defending, you can have one placed while another charges in your pocket to take out 6 projectiles - that's 6 gadget slots worth of gas or pyro grenades.

[loud merlin]

6 projectiles?

oh

[misty axle]

The APS, (probably an initialism for Anti Projectile System) can shoot down 3 projectiles, and you can have one placed and one charged in pocket.

[loud merlin]

well the APS doesn't recharge that fast though does it?

[misty axle]

Depends on the situation

[loud merlin]

hmm true that

[versed siren]

it recharges decently quickly

[misty axle]

If there's a notable lull in the incoming nades, then yes.

[loud merlin]

said decently and quickly both lol

[versed siren]

can you still pick it up and place it down with no cooldown?

that’s what i did last season to counteract the nerf (kinda)

[misty axle]

Like, if you look at it from a utility trade perspective, you can trade one utility slot for up to 6 enemy utility slots, which is a totally unrealistic scenario, but it does often trade 1 for 1 on average in my experience with the frag spam in games.

[loud merlin]

i have no idea
also people seem to complain about APS in powershift before the nerf
like bro S2 introduced data reshaper and you aren't using it

[misty axle]

True, but it would reset the pocket charge

[dreamy hare]

its sent 100% of dmg dude

[versed siren]

i think we should make the aps work against knives and bows

[loud merlin]

that
or the grenade launcher finishing the task in some seconds

[versed siren]

light mains will be crying (not really)

[loud merlin]

he needs double damage sent back

[misty axle]

As a CL-40 user, I can trade almost my whole magazine to counter your gadget, then reload, all while you can actively shoot me and I cannot retaliate.

[loud merlin]

that would be absolutely crazy

[versed siren]

can we turn light into spy tf2

[dreamy hare]

really i forgot about that thing in s2, week before aps nerf i started to use it on power shift and it was very good, and after came aps nerf but i still using that reshaper, even on WT

[loud merlin]

you won't just stand infront of me to reload bro
😭

[dreamy hare]

nope its will be to OP

[loud merlin]

i was just joking

[misty axle]

My point is that I have to dedicate about 9ish seconds to counter the thing you placed in 1.

[loud merlin]

what no
it take some 3 or 4 seconds to dump the cl40 entirely

[misty axle]

And then reload.

[loud merlin]

and then blast me

[misty axle]

Meanwhile, any automatic gun can shoot it and reload faster.

[loud merlin]

not to mention cl40 ttk is more than the guns ig?

[loud merlin]

i thought the reload takes about the same time

[misty axle]

Yeah, it has a very long TtTK

[versed siren]

what do you guys think about a m16 with under barrel gl?

[dreamy hare]

mgl need more structure damage in my opinion, i like this weapon, pretty balanced and skill required, but damage to walls - its a joke

[loud merlin]

what no
it has fairly short ttk
why do you think i disliked APS nerf

[misty axle]

It takes longer to reload the CL-40 than to fire it - esp after the little firerate buff it apparently got (tbh, I can't feel it, but that's likely a skill issue).

[loud merlin]

so famas + cl40

[dreamy hare]

i thought about m16 or m15 for medium but only with single shots, no auto and no burst

[misty axle]

Compare the CL-40 to any AR Medium also has

[loud merlin]

hmm gotta check

[versed siren]

kinda like a burst with no ads but with the pre nerf cl40 attached to it with one shot

left click would be burst right click for grenade

[misty axle]

I'll also point out that 93 damage is the Direct Hit damage, which is closer to the Headshot damage of normal rifles.

[dreamy hare]

akimbo FMG9 from old mw2 for light 🤣

[loud merlin]

i mean the reload time of both
from 0% to 100%
ak and cl40 have some close timings
might be a second off or so
but you can reload in between too

[versed siren]

I also think maybe heavy should get a really heavy sniper rifle like an anti material rifle or railgun

just give the gauss riffle from fallout

[strange roost]

Don’t feel like it…

[misty axle]

Otherwise, the CL-40 does exactly 69.75dmg if you land the shot nexto the person for about a 3m radius, roughly speaking - assumign they never changed the radius and damage dropoff proportions.

[dreamy hare]

barret, that can destroy walls like ks23, and make good dmg to enemies

[versed siren]

but also really unwieldy to use up close

probably slow ads

[strange roost]

And lunge, I feel like game developers are afraid to give melee weapons lunge to catch up to enemies

[dreamy hare]

dont feeld what? deflection that sometimes didnt count because of servers issue, or didnt feel dmg from each bullet that deflect into enemy?

[worldly forum]

Sigh im HORRIBLE with this damn bow 🤦‍♂️, i cant seem to get a good rhythm with this shit, who in here is great with bow??? A mf needs tips

[loud merlin]

well your opponents won't just keep shooting you and dig their own grave would they
they shoot the legs

[versed siren]

rn the dual swords just feel like better riot shield

[loud merlin]

thats crazy

[versed siren]

like the only thing riot shield has going for it is running at an angle to block bullets

riot shield needs some type of utility because if you run into someone using blades it’s over

[dreamy hare]

when you hear sound ur bow is ready for make full dmg, als you can see a light on arrow for half second, about aiming u just need to feel where ur enemy will go, that all

[loud merlin]

i tried
but i sucked
im back to m11 and lh1 (i wish the lh1 stayed the same after the buff everyone is using it)

[versed siren]

maybe riot shield shield should block some melee weapons like the med and light melee’s when holding right click

[misty axle]

You know what? I dramatically remembered the reload speed slower in my head since it always feels agonizing lol.
Major L on my part

[versed siren]

like that’s literally what riot shields are for

[loud merlin]

oh come on the gun users go through the same thing when riot users come

[dreamy hare]

riot shield need to block incoming dmg from melee for at least 50-75%

[loud merlin]

if they block everything then it would be a problem no?

[versed siren]

easiest way to counter riot shield is to run away

[dreamy hare]

flamethrower 👍

[versed siren]

it prob shouldn’t block sledge or spears

[loud merlin]

me running away from my current ongoing cashout in the final round because 74 said so

[worldly forum]

I knew about the full draw light, as regard to the tracking aspect tho, its very weird, like it isn’t hitscan but its not very fast of a projectile to properly track, i either overtrack my target or hit them and lose the rest of my momentum via tracking, especially in group fights

[versed siren]

i mean you can shoot the feet out

[misty axle]

It takes the CL-40 ~7 seconds to empty, fully reload, and fire one more time to end the cycle.

[loud merlin]

you said what

[versed siren]

i don’t think most riot sheilders know how to block while running anyway

[loud merlin]

YOU CAN SHOOT RIOT SHIELD FEETS?!?!?!

[versed siren]

provided they aren’t crouched

[worldly forum]

Yea? Lol you never tried?

[misty axle]

Sometimes, yes.

[loud merlin]

pretty good gun told ya

[loud merlin]

dude it ain't even visible so i naturally thought it ain't possible

[misty axle]

You can't crouch with the shield in front, unless you mean when they're turned perfectly to the side?

[dreamy hare]

idk dude, its like someone got it someone no. for me i cant shoot from lh1, or shotguns its very hard for me. but bow i can easy hit, also other weapons

[loud merlin]

oh my god the amount of times I've regret for not bringing pyro grenade
and the amount of times I've missed the pyro to riot guys

[versed siren]

i think if you crouch first then block it will keep you crouched while also blocking

[worldly forum]

Yea, i mean ngl its not easy close range but mid to mid-long, is very consistent

[versed siren]

because i remember not being able to crouch if i was already blocking but being able to block if i was already crouched

[dreamy hare]

no u cant

[versed siren]

so does it just take you out of crouch if you try to block while crouched?

[dreamy hare]

when you crouching its just dont work, its like ur right button dont work, thats all

[worldly forum]

I feel that, i appreciate tha assistance, lol

[dreamy hare]

you need to traning or play more, try to find some aimlab idk with bows, maybe its can help
in addition go to shooting range, and throw barrels and try to shoot them in air, its can be like basic traning

[misty axle]

No, objectively terrible:
CL-40 takes 2.75s to kill a heavy if you're literally perfect.
FAMAS takes 1.6s if you only land bodyshots (no headshots, no misses)

[dreamy hare]

but problem with famas, if u miss, it will cost u a lot. with cl40 u can miss but still do damage

[loud merlin]

famas is the gun with the fastest ttk for mediums afaik
also I'm no pro i don't land all the shots be it a gun or a GL or a sledgehammer even
i was saying in general

you land more damage in cl40 than you do in ak and stuff

[misty axle]

CL-40 takes 4.2s if you only land right next to the Heavy once.
FAMAS takes 1.16 seconds if you land only headshots (unrealistic, but the equivalent of 4 direct hits with CL-40)

[loud merlin]

the comparision feeling like a bias bro wth

[dreamy hare]

i wanna see how u will shoot all ur magazine into heavys head when he running and jumping with FAMAS

[misty axle]

I'm not comparing the 4.2 vs the 1.2 - I'm ideally comparing the 4.2 vs the 1.6

[misty axle]

Literally my point - did you not read the "(unrealistic..." part of the message?

[worldly forum]

Lol might try to find bow training module on aimlabs cause lol the training sim via the finals is barebones

[misty axle]

Riot takes 2.9s, btw

[dreamy hare]

killing h in one combo

[misty axle]

AKM takes 1.7s for bodyshots while taking exactly half the mag.

[vital forge]

Those 2 weapons aren't even comparable. You're kind of creating a scenario and just saying one's better. That's like saying the gl is objectively better because aoe. Can't and shouldn't play those weapons the same.

[misty axle]

Not to mention that you have to land REALLY close to do any damage beyond mere chip.

[vital forge]

You have no idea the hell that little chip causes

You ever tried to heal for like two minutes straight?😅

[misty axle]

It can trigger mines, bust Motion/Glitch Trap, and reset healing delay

[vital forge]

Worst of all, it stops you from healing

At least for me

[west burrow]

NERF LH1

[misty axle]

The CL-40 does a minimum of ~32 damage, it takes 9 seconds for the 250 HP Medium to begin healing regen, so a theoretical max time you can be waiting is about a minute, unironically.

[vital forge]

Dude. You're missing the point. There's a lot more going on than you and your gl

[misty axle]

The old 110 damage CL-40 did a minimum of ~35, so if the proportion is the same, then it should be ~30 (29.59 if 35 is accurate).
I got 32 by extrapolating the minimum 24 one shot can drop my Max HP by with self damage, and adding a third because of the 0.75 self multi to get to 32.
Fun fact, the game will always round your HP display UP to the next integer, but will count decimal damage.

[misty axle]

Your point is that the CL-40 is somehow competitive with Medium's other ranged weapons?

[vital forge]

We were talking about the hell. That little chip of health is the fugg are you talking about?

[misty axle]

Originally, trying to explain how bad the CL-40 is nor post S3 nerf.

[vital forge]

Originally I was just chiming in on how they're not really even comparable

[misty axle]

This was me wondering how long a CL-40 could theoretically keep a medium from healing because it seemed interesting.
And the answer was funny to me.

Like, imagine taking 12% of the entire round just running from a CL-40 perfectly grazing you minimally right when you were about to start healing.
That's a comical scenario to me!

[misty axle]

But The CL-40 is directly comparable to any other ranged weapon it contests the slot with.

[vital forge]

It's just a different play style weapon

[misty axle]

More realistically, I should compare it to the M1887 since neither needs to ADS, both relaod one at a time, and have limited effective ranges.

[vital forge]

Just a havoc causing weapon

[misty axle]

-Which I'll now record some times

[slate light]

After the m60 and Lewis gun nerf which one now has a better ttk?

[hushed reef]

yo i just seen someone running with the bow drawn

anyone know how???

[vital forge]

I don't know for sure, but it feels like the lewis

[misty axle]

It takes 2 seconds to kill a heavy with half the M1887's magazine, assuming no pellets miss and no damage dropoff.

[slate light]

Thx

[restive plover]

Lewis still, which is very funny.

[slate light]

K thank U

[vital forge]

Could be wrong because I can't hit half of the m60 shots

[misty axle]

Lewis takes 1.6s to kill another heavy with only bodyshots
M60 takes 2.0s

[slate light]

@misty axle damn thx, what about medium and light?

[hushed reef]

anyone know how to run with the recurve bow drawn

[misty axle]

Lewis takes 0.8s for Light nad
1.4s for Medium

[slate light]

@hushed reef maybe had momentum from a grapple or dash

@misty axle awesome 👍

[misty axle]

I don't think you're supposed to be able to, but I've certainly seen people running while drawn in the spectator camera when dead.
Might be a visual bug?

[hushed reef]

nah speed n allat not visual

[hushed reef]

^

[misty axle]

Tbh, it's rare that I'm spectating the Light - it's normally the other way around as I try to rez them instead.

Anyway, it's 1am here - 'nighty y'all!

[hushed reef]

gn

[woeful swan]

lit

[fleet brook]

Assuming all shots hit*

I know that's a given for ttk but that's rarely the case In game

[worthy olive]

k medium swords should not reflect the entire damage of my sniper shot

[woeful swan]

true

[steel glacier]

The rank 4 dye of the Thermal Bore looks like an oversized flaregun and I fuck with it

[woeful swan]

looks good

[leaden sonnet]

Nerf LH1

[arctic compass]

Ill be suprised if it doesn’t get nerfed today

[dreamy hare]

ill be suprised if devs dont delete TA ranked today...

[woeful swan]

lit

[hot sail]

xd

[arctic compass]

Lower your expectations then

[vale musk]

Damn, I really enjoy Medium melees but they should fix the worst issue it has - chasing enemies. Simple buffing run speed for melee would be boring imo and not really fair, so I suggest these "buff" for shield and dblades to make them even more original:

• for riot shield, give it a 0,5-1s slow debuff when hitting someone,
• for dblades, increase the magnetism you get when swinging at someone in close range, that would make you "stick" more to the enemies
  These would be fitting for both of them and actually rewarding for M and enabling to at least force fights if enemies allow you to get close. That wouldn't really impact dash Ls but these are uncatchable anyway

[vale summit]

burst meta 😎

[wind shuttle]

i think they should nerf the dual weild swords as you cant even defend against them they just block all of ur bullets.

is there a way you can counter them that i dont know about?

[dreamy hare]

how u counter riot shield? or its need nerf too?

[restive plover]

Stop shooting and move away from them when they close in with deflection, then shoot them when they try to melee.

They also still take damage while deflecting and have to aim to reflect it back to you, so you can also just stand your ground and strafe.

Really only advisable if they're already injured, but still.

[wind shuttle]

riot sheild doesnt deflect bullets

[dreamy hare]

but its fully block ur bullets, that was ur argument for DB

[wind shuttle]

no it was deflecting them back

[dreamy hare]

DB even dont block all ur bullets and a lot of time user got damage because of servers issue

[dreamy hare]

so be smart and dont shoot into it...

[wind shuttle]

yeah

grenades and mines also work abit

[dreamy hare]

so why need to nerf DB?

in my opinion its need buff

[wind shuttle]

i think the people i was fighting against using it where just good at the game, lol

[near birch]

DB needs a shorter range and it achieves its high risk high reward purpose

Same with SA1216

[naive flume]

i think spear is really mid, at least its big attack is, its too slow
maybe i just suck idk

[near birch]

1887 is in a weird state so I can't give a good opinion on that

[near birch]

Spear has the same issues as sledge where most heavies can't even reach the target. Doesn't help that the winch claw is barely used.

[naive flume]

i tried it with the winch claw, and there was this other guy doin the same thing, but he had the sledgehammer and just annihilated me in every 1v1 scenario

stupid 3 hit combo is just completely outclassed by BONK

[near birch]

I feel that the spear was intended for team fights, but due to heavy being slow is barely used for that

[naive flume]

you cant animation cancel either so once i do the secondary im just getting blasted from all angles because im unable to move more than 2 inches per minute

[near birch]

Usually I see heavies doing 1 on 1 fights with people when they use the spear, they usually end up switching off or barely ever get a kill

[naive flume]

spear is good but only when paired with a direct hit from an rpg lol

[near birch]

Yeah

[naive flume]

if they remove the wacky twirl attack and just make it have like a charged thrown attack that could be really good, sort of situational but it would be an improvement depending on how they add it

cause with how it is now i have literally lost to the dual swords 😭

he didnt even block the attacks bruh its joever

[sacred cypress]

The finals really need to rework the spear by next update, probably by enabling a toggle mode to throw it.

[naive flume]

i think the dual swords are a bit slow as well, but ehhh im not really sure they need to be changed

they are at this weird point of being pretty mid, but just a few little tweaks could make them kind of crazy

like it takes a whole combo to kill a medium and in that time they can just drop you with all headshots

[ivory flax]

Claw nerf indirectly heavily nerfed one of the weakest gun in the game ks23 so at least buff smth in return

[hot anchor]

Oh yeahh
Tk finally nerfed

[copper sinew]

damn Embark really seems to be on top of things this season. Really quick response with the nerfs, makes me wonder if they are changing their approach to nerfs or if the LH1's stats where really, really outrageous, that they had to do that

[hot anchor]

Rank is full of lh1
As a shotgun

[copper sinew]

Yeah I know I have seen clips from high ranks, but it is not like they changed heavies this quickly after they where dominating rank, so either it was far, far too powerful or devs are planning to be more responsive.

or they just introduced the buff having the possibility of the nerf coming

[lusty reef]

I'll miss it being viable for a few weeks, rip sweet prince

[unique veldt]

Thanks for adding a free item with the Swedish flag

[sweet thistle]

Can you show it? I'm not online

[unique veldt]

Look at the video at game announcement

[waxen mist]

Okay Embark, you knew the LH1 was going to be OP when you buffed it to 52 damage... and now you reduce it to less than it started with?! Come on... the difference between 49 and 50 is HUGE. You can't swing me back and forth like this on a weekly basis its basically a crime!!

[hollow nexus]

thoughts on new sonars?

viability in ranked?

[vague monolith]

The M2 on the spear has a sweet spot. If you keep somebody between your 1 and 3 o clock you do way more damage

[dreamy hare]

to players more easy say that spear is usless, and need buff than learn how to use it

[granite crescent]

I really don't like the way throwing knives are being handled. The extra proj speed and reduced delay between knives just has taken all the interest and skill out of the weapon for me. It feels like I don't even have to try to hit shots anymore. And now we're nerfing the damage but keeping this boring hitscan version of the weapon. It would have been much interesting the other way around. How about instead of buffing proj speed and timing, we just make the knives actually accurate when moving and jumping?? Like why does this weapon have so much bloom and randomness?? That could allow for the weapon to be used in cool movement scenarios and give it a more unique flavor than the other weapons. Idk man the weapon is just boring and clunky to use now. My recommendation is just reset it to the previous state before all the buffs and buff the right click and the accuracy when moving. That's all it needs. It should be a niche high skill weapon

[spiral shoal]

Winch claw nerf is really unnecessary especially if you miss it's not like you can try again right after you still have to wait for the cool down 🫤

[chrome smelt]

I haven’t even used it but I’ve dodge it enough times and not been killed enough times to notice the damage being so high. I’m surprised it was such a large nerf, 15 to 5 is significant

[waxen fern]

what's the point of having swords and riot shield in game at the same time, surely they could replace shield with something more fun

[north snow]

remove invis, remove dash, remove sniper, remove back stab, remove stun gun,
remove turret, remove heal beam, remove grenade launcher, remove defib,
remove hook

[north snow]

ive had some good games on shield, it isnt strong, but its funny as a gimmick weapon

[fleet brook]

This smells of a light player

And man wants to remove the game

[nova crescent]

I was just abt to comment in here the LH1 is better than sex, patch notes shut me up

[north snow]

nah i play medium, lights are a fucking scurge on this game, a plague which makes everyone else have less fun by them existing

[nova crescent]

if you can’t beat em join em

[fleet brook]

Why remove the support from the game?

[north snow]

because its a pain in the ass too play againt

[fleet brook]

So are good lights

[north snow]

yeah so remove them aswell

[fleet brook]

The only time they've removed major things from the game is literal wall hacks as a gadget

[north snow]

i enjoy playing support in overwatch and stuff,
but heal beam and instant revive is too strong when 1 team has it and another one doesnt,
also it has a stacking effect of 3 mediums with defib, just constantly resing each other
or the 3 way heal beam,

like it is actually like a 6v3

[fleet brook]

Defib isn't instant IK what you mean tho

It's more like lifeline passive but actual decent

It's telegraphed as well

I just think glitch effects should stop it

Or give something for people to shoot at on the statue to cancel the effect

[north snow]

not necessarily saying a team of 3 mediums wins against 2 heavies and a medium, but it is not satisfying too play against,
getting a kill and then instantly having that value stolen from you, the cuckoldry of videogames

[waxen fern]

should have worded that differently, it's fun but very similar

[fleet brook]

Also

Gravity grenade sucks and always will suck as long as it can be shot out in QP it last in ranked it disappears

[fleet brook]

They tried to fix this as well by giving it more HP just make it unable to be shot

Gravity well doesn't do anything too deserve the ability to be shot out it makes stuff float for a bit and can make changes to the arena when everything drops back down

[spiral shoal]

Just fuckin remove the game at that point lmao

[north snow]

yeah i mean, half of stuff in this game is annoying, just get rid of it, game less annoying,

[spiral shoal]

That's whatnim sayin 15 to 5 is a major nerf and it's not the hardest to avoid so they coulda just nerf it to 10 and I feel it would still be pretty balanced if used right

[copper sinew]

just go play a different game at that point

[spiral shoal]

But that's the game dude lol I do agree light players can be cancerous af though

[real nebula]

W nerfs

[fleet brook]

The weird thing with light is there either bad or godly

And no one likes a light meta

[copper sinew]

I mean there is a way to stop the light meta and all the devs have to do is change one 140 into a 150

[north snow]

the golden era

yeah i mean, people keep calling for light buffs, but if shit like sniper and backstab become the meta the game is cooked,

[hazy talon]

i’m gonna say it. 63 to 60 is not enough. it needs to be like. 55. 50.

[copper sinew]

those values will literally not decrease the killtime

[hazy talon]

they will if i want it hard enough. i thought asking for like 40 was too much

idk i rarely ever play knives but they’re starting to get on my nerves

[hardy dust]

Knives arent even that bad

[hazy talon]

to YOU. to me they’re like mosquitoes

[hardy dust]

They dont give as much feedback so it feels like you die faster, even if its slower

It would be better if you could see them much easier and make em louder instead of nerfing the dmg

[hazy talon]

you know what. yeah.

[copper sinew]

I mean I guess they would make it so that you will need one more knife to kill a heavy, actually

you need to hit a light with 3 knives to kill them, a medium with 5 knives to kill them and the heavy with 6, those result in 180, 300 and 360 and nerfing the damage to 50 would result in 150, 250 and 300 damage

[hardy dust]

The main complaints ive seen is that

1. The dmg is too much (it kills slower than most of the mainly used light weapons)
2. It kills you instantly (cuz it does burst dmg and doesn't have feedback)

[copper sinew]

but at around those damages their dps would start falling far below other light weapons and they would be unusable again

[copper sinew]

yeah it is probably just frustration at burst damage, but a good light will kill you as fast if not faster with a gun and they will harass you from range whereas the kives fall off, literallly, at long ranges

[hardy dust]

And that its very spammable (which is true, but you still have to hit shots with a projectile weapon)

[copper sinew]

I have always seen that as a good thing tho. Because since the shield where everywhere at some point, you could just leftclick in their direction and destroy them pretty quickly without the usual drawback of having to reload after, that comes with AKM and FCAR and other normal weapons when you shoot the shield down

[rugged flame]

I can’t believe they re-nerfed lh1. Light mains everywhere devastated

It’s weaker than before season 3 patch

[hardy dust]

Well, it was the strongest light weapon before so it kinda deserved it. Plus they made it absurdly broken

[gusty relic]

from 3 shotting other lights to 4 shotting, weapon is basically useless!

[hardy dust]

The recoil isnt as bad but the fire rate went down by 20 rpm

[rugged flame]

I agree the bonus damage was bonkers a little but there’s no worse feeling than hitting a full life light and leaving them with 3 hp. I thought if damage was at 49 or 50 it would be perfect

[gusty relic]

now if only they would buff the CL-40 back up dropping that weapon 17 damage was like really bad for it

[hardy dust]

If it was at 49 it would be fine, 50 and we're back at the super broken lh1 we just had

[rugged flame]

49 sweet spot 😦 sad day for lh1 mains

[cyan echo]

what is the thermal bore even supposed to do?

thought it would be like the TF2 flaregun but it does nothing?

[hazy talon]

not sure what the flaregun is like but i’ve been using it to open up buildings for clear targeting. it’s also useful for when you’re a floor below the cashout and someone is tryna nab it. you can break the floor and break the steal

[muted oar]

Cash out in a building and you’re a sniper? Thermal bore to open a sight line. Kill thief. Mission accomplished!

[lucid lintel]

So even after that terrible start to the season they only come up with like 6 changes at most. These devs are killing their own game

[gusty relic]

all it does is give light a long distance wall buster/gooburner cant use it to damage people unless you set their goo onfire and their on it makes their breach charge redundant too

[spiral shoal]

Man getting one shot by invis + backstab with dagger is so fucked

[hazy talon]

this is my one complaint about it. i wish it did damage instead of collateral. i tested it and it goes right through enemies instead of sticking to them

granted, it doing a lot of direct damage would have people screaming but it could chip off a good bit without overdoing it

[spiral shoal]

If it could be used to stick people that would be pretty cool

[mellow ridge]

No it’s stronger still with the recoil being better. The data values on kill simply went down one bullet for each class. Which is what it was before but it’s so much easier to use. You still have to hit headshots to kill opponents

[misty axle]

The actual recoil is still the same iirc, just the amount of wobble on your screen is lessened

[blissful surge]

Ok flame thrower for heavy is nice

[dim onyx]

legit said this would happen not 3 days ago

[lucid lintel]

so LH1 is still meta ok great job guys

[sacred cypress]

EMBARK Allow heavy players to throw their spears. But not unlimited like the throwing knives. Instead when u throw it once u have to wait for it to come back to ur hand kinda like Thors hammer. It's literally a SPEAR. And having to wait for it to come back even to engage in close range battle prevents it from being overpowered but viable longer distances. Maybe allow players to aim and throw it through by toggling on and off the aiming mode. WE NEED THIS IN THE FINALS.

[polar trout]

What he said

[cyan echo]

Claw and sledgehammer lowkey clears everything

[thin ermine]

Which is almost nonexistent (the recoil)

[misty axle]

It's basically straight up, so it's a fair bit of linear movement, but incredibly easy to learn.

[rapid needle]

cooked 🔥

[exotic skiff]

will always be because of the gamemode in cashout light lh1 is still bad

and double heavy busted

[sage harbor]

Right me and a friend were in the firing range testing out this new throwing knives nerf. We found that the body shot damage numbers was around 45 and the headshot was 60 damage. In the patch notes there's no mention of this, are we confused how the damage works or is it just wrong on there?

[hardy dust]

Lh1 is literally the best light weapon

[exotic skiff]

Not rlly last patch yes but before no xp was better in cashout because better ttk, and easier to 1v1 other light

Lh1 is very good because of TA game mode gameplay

[hardy dust]

Lh1 has better ttk and better against lights

[exotic skiff]

Last patch yes but not this one

[hardy dust]

This one too

[vast blaze]

Does someone know how the sword changed? In the patch notes they sayed they removed animation canceling do to the changes they made too the sword but never mentioned any changes about the sword in any Patchnotes I read

[exotic skiff]

full body lh1 have 0.6s and xp 0.54s

light vs light

[hardy dust]

Lh1 has 2x headshot multiplier

[exotic skiff]

and more consistent close/mid range

[exotic skiff]

you can't relly on full hs

Easier to do it with xp rather than lh1

close range ur fucked 80% of the time but in TA you don't rlly care you stay high ground thermal active and beam

That why i said the game mode make lh1 light very good otherwise light in cashout is still in a bad spot

[vast blaze]

Idk about that, they turned to a better hit and run class with their 3 sec earlier healing I think

[hardy dust]

Lh1 is better against H and M in cashout tho

[exotic skiff]

doesn't change anything still bad overall in cashout compare to HHM

[exotic skiff]

Could be but xp is very consistent that the thing

[hardy dust]

Yeah, xp is definitely easier to use, but if you can land shots lh1 is better

Both are very strong tho

[exotic skiff]

Both are good but if my lobby I need to 1v1 some light i would go xp every day of the week

And this is not the same playstyle aswell

[hardy dust]

True, it depends a lot on playstyle

[mellow ridge]

Buff dual swords 😮

[exotic skiff]

main pb is because of TA they gonna nerf light when in cashout class is not good, they should separate the patch tbh

[glass niche]

It's not the swords as much as it is difficult to be fast enough to catch up to an opponent who knows how to dodge them...

[upper gulch]

Yesterday I had to run away from a dual sword. I had no gadgets for damage. I could not fight back for about 20secs. I still don't really know how to counter it. I dont think it needs a buff but if so, give others ar least a chnace to deal damage without selfdamage. For example by shooting on there feet.

[rugged flame]

It’s similar to riot shield that you really have to have another person to beat it which is nice I think

[naive shoal]

Nerf snipers just a tad

[hallow leaf]

The ttk for DB is slow so if you just hipfire when they get close that is one good counter or just shoot them, even when they are blocking shooting them does 50% damage

[hasty juniper]

What does everyone think is going on with most of the weapons in official teasers and the like being modified? Like, in the video posted today the FAMAS in the beginning has a vertical grip on it. This is kinda like what the Helldivers devs have been doing, showing videos where if you werent looking you wouldnt notice it, but if you look closely you can see the guns are not stock. How do you think this would work? I think it would be cool, because it would open up the field for even more advanced metas and combos, but if they implemented it wrong (which they most likely won't but people will bitch about it anyway) it could turn out bad. Anyway, just wanted to know anyones thoughts on this.

[mellow ridge]

The feet shooting thing is a myth but if you strafe back and forth you can dodge their deflect. It’s sooo narrow. Medium doesn’t have a lot of catch up tools

[polar trout]

Yeah I saw that, like the S3 trailer had a lot of weapon mods. It's got me confused, cuz they had to pay for a new prop or model or whatever that's different from the stock weapons, so idk maybe we are getting customization. Would be cool, but I think it could break a lot of weapons

[leaden sonnet]

The LH1 nerf isn’t even a nerf that joint still gon 3 shot

[mellow ridge]

Two headshots and a body will kill a light now

[fleet brook]

Burst damage taking chunks of your health is bad even if it's slower because it makes it easier for another person to just tickle you for that last bit of health even if you win

[junior python]

Give heavy a cluster mine as a specialisation

[light elbow]

what is the use of c4 for heavy? genuine question!

[tropic hearth]

please buff the MGL32

preferably with a significant reduction in self damage

there is all all too frequent scenario where an opponent will get in your face and your grenades won't explode on impact on them, instead bouncing back into your face and dealing full damage to you

this thing is currently so niche it's basically a joke weapon

[junior python]

Only use i have for it is hiding it near a terminal and detonating it when its getting stolen

[junior python]

Mgl should explode on impact or at least the detonation time shoud be faster

[restive plover]

Being left at a sliver of health is more true for the automatics. If you kill someone with a burst damage weapon before they get the last shot in you'll still have a decent chunk of health left.

[tropic hearth]

practically speaking? there isn't one
it's pretty useless

any situation where you'd think of using it, a frag grenade or explosive mine would be a stronger choice

[royal blaze]

Anybody have any good tips/links for handling the new recoil on AKM, FCAR, Lewis gun and M60? These guns are unusable right now for me.

[fleet brook]

In my experience I've always been able to identify automatics and where they are immediately beaming them and being left with half health

[junior python]

Ripping the mouse down works for me but idk

[tropic hearth]

see but sometimes I really love the bounce it has, but it's so situational

having a selectable fire mode that switches between explode on impact, and explode after bounce would be great

you could even keep it balanced by reducing the damage in the direct impact fire mode

[royal blaze]

Ps5, sorry

[junior python]

Dumb idea but try setting the sensitivity to match the recoil so ripping the joystick down keeps it kinda still

[junior python]

But then other guns would need firing modes and if rifles get burst (which most likely they would in this situation) it kinda makes the famas not as unique and useful

[royal blaze]

Hmmmm, I'll give that a shot. Right now, it's a skill issue, but I'd like for it NOT to be sooner than later 😀

[junior python]

If it doesn’t work i got no more ideas so might aswell

[tropic hearth]

for some reason I had it in my head that the AK or SCAR had a semi fire mode

[junior python]

Nah dont think they do

Sniper and bow need nerfs though

[tropic hearth]

could make the right click do something

[junior python]

Right click is ads

[tropic hearth]

seeing as it currently has no purpose

but theres no reason to ADS with it, even less than on the shotguns

[junior python]

Fair

But sniper and bow need MASSIVE nerfs

[hallow leaf]

Bow mainly needs bullet drop, it's current drop is basically nothing at any range

[junior python]

Stupid suggestion but i feel like it needs a glare its to hard to play against especially in fog when you cant see them

[lofty fiber]

I like to think that the medium class has been put into a support class corner

[junior python]

Yeah

[lofty fiber]

i feel medium needs more freedom to be the middle class

[restive plover]

how about give the shield a gun instead of a stick. Allow to shoot while maintaining cover at cost of accuracy, and upgrade the shield so that melee attacks are not as effective against it.

[sour pawn]

the throwing spoons rpm is rediculous

[hazy talon]

i’m gonna beat you with the power of self defense! and this gun i found.

[sly estuary]

its such an easy, cheesy, and annoying weapon so they aint gonna buff it and anger 98.5% of the community 😂

[sly estuary]

I think embark foresaw this and tried to add "foreward momentum" to the dual blades, as mentioned in their patch notes. However, it seems they didn't do this nearly enough

[sly estuary]

its really good in the right hands still lycommit uses it for instance.
interrupting cashouts, damage opponents while running away (place on doors, etc.), drop cashouts from below, the list goes on
definitely a lot worse than s1, but still effective when used properly

[hazy talon]

to add onto this from earlier, it’s also great for literally scoping things out. i’m not sure if it has the same zoom range as the sniper rifle, but i’ve been able to get a good looking at situations from afar

[misty axle]

Think of it like the holy trinity:
Heavy = Tank
Medium = Support
Light = DPS

As a rule of thumb, at least.
Heavies can still damage like crazy and medium can as well.

[proper panther]

you can find out differet ways to use gadgets. some people use it for blowing up, some do it for damage

[tropic hearth]

"easy, cheap and annoying"
sounds like the FCAR, Lewis, M11 to me chief

the MGL32 is ass 💩 and you have to position so much better in order to get anything out of it

[proper panther]

i think that makes the fog cool

[misty axle]

It's kind of a pre-placed RPG instead of the instantaneousness of the RPG. It also does more damage and can charge while deployed.

[glass niche]

Yeah, but unfortunately it's not enough of a forward lunge.

[sinful dagger]

People are saying nerf bow 💀

[glass niche]

Yes, nerf a gun that only good players can use and causals suck with. Yes, I'm one of those bad bow players and it doesn't need nerfed

[light elbow]

To the people who responded to me thank you!! I've been trying to find a good use for the c4 since it got heavily nerfed a few updates back

[dusty sail]

i wonder why this inspect animation isn't in the game

[mighty summit]

Ummm... The kitchen knife from the battle pass 🤔⁉️ >>>>>

[stray raven]

bow is w skibidi?

[versed siren]

Hear me out: Musket for Medium that has a better bash due to the bayonet

[sinful dagger]

Throwing knives also need a nerf when their back to their original state before the buff?

[plain zodiac]

It'd be hella cool to put a butterfly knife skin for the dagger

[lavish swallow]

sniper does not need a nerf

[hasty juniper]

but could also redeem a lot of weapons. For example, the lh1 meta could be broken by perhaps an accuracy build for m11. but could also make some builds even more broken. but it would give a fun aspect to customization

[mild warren]

a guys dual blades or R.357 AKA the FINALS

[twilit garnet]

bow doesnt need a nerf either lmao

[quartz lagoon]

Where I can check how many damage on all weapon in game?

[lusty reef]

A friend taught me that you pre place C4 and use it to make the MGL much more lethal on point. Otherwise it's just not as good as RPG which is a bummer, but it feels nice to get kills with nonetheless

[waxen mist]

there is a wiki, just type "the finals wiki LH1" or whatever gun you want in google and it will come up https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/LH1

[noble minnow]

guys fr how tf do you counter people with throwing knives

[young panther]

throwing knives are the best

[versed siren]

customization is really hard to balance, warzone is a balancing nightmare due to the attachment system

[twilit shard]

The spear feels really balanced

[noble minnow]

no i asked how to counter them not if they're good

[somber ginkgo]

throwing knifes are bwoken

[versed siren]

Revolver with the firing speed of lh1 would make medium really terrifying

[solemn lake]

I haven’t got to play is the new lh1 balanced?

[solemn lake]

I always felt a lot of these guns like the revolver would feel more satisfying to use if their hipfire was better, I don’t want every gun to be a beam up close but I just feel like a lot of the movement penalties you get on some of these guns is a bit much

[wide urchin]

what's the best weapon for medium currently?

[worldly forum]

I FINALLY FIGURED OUT HOW TO USE THIS BOW CONSISTENTLY, OMFG YESSSS 😭😭😭, bro it was so simple yet i over complicated it

All i had to do was predict & shoot, not predict, track and then shoot, it was so fucking simple, i was tryna treat this shit like a regular bullet weapon without even knowing i was

[sand monolith]

yeah medium was always meant to be the support class. it finally functioned as a support and then they changed the ranked mode so now medium has 0 identity

[lofty fiber]

Yep

[misty axle]

It's basically just old LH1 with clearer recoil and slightly slower max RPM.
So, more or less, yes.

[waxen mist]

Ottr put the spear in F tier

[twilit shard]

Sounds like him

[celest arch]

Nerf dash and aim assit bow

[brittle yoke]

ottr is boring

[leaden sonnet]

Didn’t he also put lh1 in like a or b tier

[sly estuary]

my guy stop complaining about light weapons theyre meant to be hard to learn but high skill cap so only really good players use the weapons well. Amateur lights will ask for buffs, but i think light is generally really balanced right now for its purpose as a class

[hazy talon]

ok gen chat won’t tell me. what constitutes as a light machine gun. i thought it was a machine gun in the light class

[worldly forum]

We dont have nun, only marksmen rifles, pistols, smgs and melee

[hazy talon]

tf. why did they word it light that then. i’m an idiot they need to be clearer 😭

[sand monolith]

It is the Lewis gun or m60. LMG stands for Light Machine Gun

[worldly forum]

Yea, you’d have to do a heavy class run

[hazy talon]

NOOOO BUT THE RECOIL…

[sand monolith]

M60 has no recoil anymore tbh

They removed like all of it in 3.0

[hazy talon]

…ok 🥲

[sharp swallow]

first 5-8 bullets is kinda off, but after that is pure lazzzer

[worthy olive]

anyone else think invis should make more noise? just had a guy walking towards me, in the direction im looking, and couldnt see him at all

[sinful dagger]

Same thing happened to me. Lmg is a class of weapons. The machine guns are lighter than the average machine gun lol

[boreal laurel]

Spear may not be the next sledge, but it’s hardly F tier—I’d say A, or B at lowest

[mellow lodge]

it is, they just moved it to the kitchen knife in the bp instead of on that one

[mellow lodge]

he puts all melee in f he is dumb

the only f tier weapons in this game are like cl, mgl and 93r

[boreal laurel]

A “light machine gun” is a class of weapon in real life, with only the M60 and Lewis Gun fitting into this class in the game. “Light” as opposed to larger heavy machine guns to be mounted on tanks, APCs, etc.

[sand monolith]

93r peaks they buffed it in 3.0

[hazy talon]

thank yall, preciate it

[mellow lodge]

trent are you high?

[waxen mist]

In the video out in the last few days it was S

[sand monolith]

It’s the best weapon in the game

[waxen mist]

Nah I think he put sledge in C

[mellow lodge]

ok now ik you aren't

[boreal laurel]

Then I need to show him what a real sword looks like… 😎 (JK I’m not that good, but I can still pull 8, 12, 16-kill matches with sword on a good day)

[sand monolith]

The winch claw nerf was so fucking stupid

[mellow lodge]

no it wasn't

winch into rpg on a light wasn't a fair mechanic

[sand monolith]

It only affects using it with worse weapons like KS and spear. The SA1216 and rpg still guarantee a kill on light. What it actually needed was a charge up

Way too much instantaneous bullshit in this game honestly. RPG, claw, and sonar are the worst offenders imo. But it removes any ability for natural counterplay when you are instantly punished for being in LOS

[leaden sonnet]

What they need to nerf on the winch claw is not the range but the screen spasm after getting clawed. I be shooting them and next thing I know I’m shooting the moon cause I got clawed.

[sand monolith]

That too

[pearl beacon]

Yall know what exactly counts as "explosive" damage? im guessing frags, GL, etc

[sand monolith]

Things that explode

[pearl beacon]

🛐

[waxen mist]

I agree

[sharp swallow]

baricade still so op

[forest gyro]

what's wrong with spear ? i thought its a step up to sledgehammer. the melee range actually

[shy shard]

Yo. Rework idea for the pyro mine. When the mine gets tripped. Fire gets spread in a 6 meter diameter around the mine till it’s destroyed or after 30 seconds let’s say. Make the damage a little less than the flame thrower. The pyro mine would be ultimate area denial. Locking down areas. Or securing cashouts or terminals. It would even have a cool animation of 8 different flames flying in a circle

[reef dock]

I hate dealing with sniper try hards. Like at least pick a weapon that requires skill as sniper has zero skill needed, like yeah you have to be good at aiming it but thats not entirely hard to achieve in The Finals. Positioning sure but its pretty easy to escape people due to all things light has like grappling hook, dash, gateway, etc. Not only that but all the other long ranged weapons are so much harder to use like bow is hard to aim and requires actual skill plus the wind up (skill could maybe use a little nerf though.) revolver has a horrible damage drop off and iron sights. The KS-23 doesn’t have any sights and is very clunky. Sniper is such a low risk high reward weapon and I find that to be so fucking unfair especially in modes like TA and Power Shift where its even more oppressive

[loud merlin]

pretty valid

[misty axle]

You can shut a sniper down with a Goo Barrel or Goo Grenade.

Also, to add on to the KS-23 jank: it's also a projectile!

[hardy dust]

Less dmg, wonky hitreg and no destructive ability

[loud merlin]

is model 1887 a marksman rifle?

i have this challenge to deal damage using handguns and marksman rifles
can anyone name all the marksman and handguns in this game

[hazy talon]

i finally went to go try the Lewis and what ever loving fuck did they DO to this weapon. it’s like you’re fighting against it to shoot 😭

[restive plover]

Lh1, sr84 v9s, and 93r. All light weapons.

[zealous timber]

Dual blade deflect, riot shield, dome shield or kinetic shield, light shotgun (it can one shot just dash at them and shoot poof they're dead)

[crimson timber]

I wonder does anybody have an estimate on how long it takes to earn xp for all the weapons skins?

[sharp goblet]

not revolver?

[sacred cypress]

EMBARK Allow heavy players to throw their spears. But not unlimited like the throwing knives. Instead when u throw it once u have to wait for it to come back to ur hand kinda like Thors hammer. It's literally a SPEAR. And having to wait for it to come back even to engage in close range battle prevents it from being overpowered but viable longer distances. Maybe allow players to aim and throw it through by toggling on and off the aiming mode. WE NEED THIS IN THE FINALS.

[main pike]

I love new weapons 😭

[shy shard]

Get me at the embark deck RIGHT NOW

[eager wasp]

eternity

[loud merlin]

Only if you write me the code for your demand in rust with your feet fingers and eyes closed

[shy shard]

That’s a new one. Uhhh. Yeah I’ll check back with you on that

[burnt breach]

mines are overpowered

[nova lichen]

Skill issue, pay attention

[rare kestrel]

I dunno about that. they have visual and audio queues, a delay for activation, and Medium/Heavies can survive double blasts.

I think the trigger range could be buffed if we're being honest. I have witnessed many people walk incredibly close to mines and they didn't go off.

[sand monolith]

Mediums can’t survive double mines but heavies can

Mines should be a little louder

[loud merlin]

mines are perfectly fine

[rare kestrel]

You're right, this is range dependent. my bad.

If we're on OP discussion, not sure if it's OP but Heavy's new grapple sure pisses me off making me absolutely useless for a few seconds while nuking my planned escapes 😉

[cunning zodiac]

On Dual Swords, I just noticed the last attack in the attack chain does less damage than the first two
So if you miss the 1st attack and hit the 2nd and 3rd on a Medium, you can't kill with just a Quick Melee afterwards.
Optimal play for Heavies also seems to be hitting 1st, 2nd, reset, 1st, Quick Melee?
idk the exact numbers, but it feels awkward that the last attack is the weakest damage wise D:

[loud merlin]

well i mean it serves it's purpose

[rare kestrel]

Anger inducing! hah. I will admit, being on the correct side of that chain sure is fun!

[loud merlin]

never noticed cause never used
but damn i thought the last attack would be dealing the same as the first and second
thats weird

[cunning zodiac]

ITS SO WEIRD ACTUALLY. Damage is actually higher on the 2nd attack than the 1st, and the 3rd does the least

[loud merlin]

so real
i can't relate cause my aim sucks
i just accept my fate if I'm low or just haul ass

[loud merlin]

wtf

[rare kestrel]

It's similar to goo gun locking, if you get that sweet hit off, the pay is sooooo tasty

[loud merlin]

i need to check on that
all 3 different attacks do different damages lmao

[cunning zodiac]

it throws me off sm. I want to make this weapon work but it is struggling against me lmao

[hasty juniper]

blud its a shotgun

[loud merlin]

looks close enough to a kar98k

(it absolutely does not)

[hasty juniper]

i mean there was a rifle, something like the 1889 highwall which was a single shot falling block marksman rifle. It was unique in that it was designed in a time before scopes so it had super precise peephole iron sights. so i can understand the confusion, but its definitely a shotgun\

[vague monolith]

The most fun part of the chain is moving the cashout lol

[wooden rock]

Chain funny, but unfair

[crude leaf]

[sand monolith]

There are a lot of areas where the background audio is louder than the mines beeping

[crude leaf]

On Dual?

[crude leaf]

[crude leaf]

Woah!

[sand monolith]

Woah!

[quartz yew]

yo havent played in a while is the meta still heavy

[broken tinsel]

in low elos not as much

[vale musk]

Funny how you can loop this combo for maximum damage and pop heavies in 2,5 rotation

[obsidian nexus]

im gonna see how that looks on a dummy

[vale musk]

there you go

[broken tinsel]

does bow add to the marksman progression? (i know kinda dumb question but i dont wanna use the LH1 for moral reasons)

[vale musk]

or the better way here

[obsidian nexus]

thats not too bad right? doesnt look game breaking or anything

[vale musk]

without this combo dblades suck aganist heavies

[obsidian nexus]

its kinda fast tho

[wooden rock]

Almost a bit weak to be honest

[broken tinsel]

ngl the dual blades became the better riot shield

[vale musk]

But without qm and swap cancels you cant finish heavy in one combo and he simply kills you faster

[vale musk]

Totally disagree, dblades are imo slightly worse but more newbie friendly, riot requires more experience and knowledge to be any effective

[broken tinsel]

two words
Meele weapons

[sand monolith]

Both have trade offs honestly. They’re both alright in cashout

[broken tinsel]

Still due to reflect the blades are better imo.
While yes, riot shield blocks passively your left side it still isn't as powerful as reflect
When faced with a heavy that managed to close distance to med with dual blades, the med can still tank the overhead swing, riot shield will just get vaporised with a quick meele combo

Shield's swing damage is slighly better but slow walk speed when blocking is what makes the weapon weak in my opinion

[vale musk]

Those have totally different playstyle, you could as well compare model and akm

[vale musk]

And this doesn't matter because you just bishop and just keep sprinting

[broken tinsel]

eh i think that riot shield is not as viable as other med weapons. It's a gimmicky at best

[vale musk]

You can literally 1v1 others with taking damage abd stall objectives, just totally diffefent gameplay

[broken tinsel]

1v1? ok fine but the finals is a team based game and if one of the enemies has a meele weapon then it's over ofr the shield

[vale musk]

I guess you dont play shield

[broken tinsel]

not as much because of daggers, swords, spears and so on

[calm turtle]

how am i supposed to use the ks-23?

[broken tinsel]

use the claw and imagine you're roadhog from overwatch

[jovial oxide]

where my antrigrav homies at?

[frozen mason]

why is the sh1900 surprisingly good

[royal blaze]

It's range is better than you think. Blast, get your kill and reload every time. You can disrupt reload to immediately shoot. If you get good with it, it's more like a bolt rifle (it's not hitscan, it's a projectile). I've started using it instead of lewis and m60. 60 damage from pretty far away. 6 shots full. It's a slug, it is NOT spray and pray.

[royal blaze]

Also, I am by no means an expert. Just started using it this season, but pretty successfully.

[crude leaf]

Standing in front of your teammate with your shield up while they steal the cashout or decrypt the terminal has left the chat

[rocky path]

#1253147941472960666 message

[waxen fern]

didn't they nerf it again?

[broken tinsel]

LH1? nah still powerful

i mean it's purpose is to be a headshot rewarding weapon but they kinda went nuts, used to be okay fulfilling its role

[ocean sable]

I main shield on my healer Medium

As for my DPS Medium, she uses Dual Blades, which does have a block but not quite the same

[misty relic]

Tbf its worse then it was in season 2 (in terms of damage) its just easier to use now. They lowered fire rate and buffed damage, and then just relowered the damage to what it was last season

[chilly turret]

they just need to bring back the visual recoil

[wary hazel]

It really isnt, riot still clears if you know the tech. I average around 20kills per round last season - Diamond 2

[fierce sonnet]

u should try guys the glitchs traps, very useful to put 1 at ur position, then when enemies push they are glitched and cant to anything, same when u kill someone just put 1 on the body and they cant revive fast, very cool !

same when u pad on enemies, heavy drop rpg and u can also drop a glitch trap on their feets

same as a glitch barrels if u cant find 1

enjoy the new meta !

[fervent arch]

haven't tried glitch traps this season. do they glitch your own team as well?

[restive plover]

No

[fierce sonnet]

thats why its so powerful @fervent arch

we played it in scrim today and the result was incredible

[vague monolith]

I don't like the glitch trap this season for the same reason I didn't like the APS in past seaons

[ornate schooner]

Yo, what’s the best skin in the battle pass this season

[frank juniper]

Samurai skin is best skin in battle pass my opinion.

[summer echo]

best skin is relative, but I like the wanderer set and the not-power-rangers emote since it is 3 emotes in 1.

my only issue with wanderer is that a lot of cosmetics aren't compatible with it.

[naive flume]

buff swords

[hazy talon]

not to keep harping on it but when knives can whittle 360 to 0 in a few seconds with little chance for retaliation, that’s when they’re a problem

[sand monolith]

No way people are still complaining about throwing knives

[hazy talon]

yes i am. they’re a problem.

[sand monolith]

Dude they kill slower than smgs and are harder to use. It is a skill issue

[hazy talon]

the fact that you can’t recognize that they’re an problem is a skill issue

[sand monolith]

Their ttk on heavy is the same as the season 2 93r 😭

And that’s not even accounting for travel time or throwing animation

They just feel worse to be hit by because they are burst damage and the throwing animation / visual feedback is very poor

[hazy talon]

ok so. my point stands. they’re a problem.

[sand monolith]

Sure yeah the animation and visual feedback could be improved. I’ve been saying this since they were buffed. But they’re not op, just frustrating and confusing

[hazy talon]

i didn’t say they were OP. i said they were a problem. which they are. a problem. if i wasn’t clear enough.

it’s because of their issues that taking down a heavy in just a few seconds, burst damage, poor visual feedback, that they’re a problem

[sand monolith]

Yes

[hazy talon]

so ultimately. we concur. glad we could sort this out.

[loud merlin]

if you could run while blocking it would be overpowered

[loud merlin]

its pretty good when used right

[loud merlin]

thats the risk you take for blocking bullets from one side passively
block incoming bullets entirely with a little to no hits to yourself
dont even mention it does 84 damage which is pretty strong

[loud merlin]

not overpowered like it used to tho
still a pretty good weapon for lights

[loud merlin]

crazy
i hate people like u cause i always get demolished when i don't bring my pyro nade 😔

[loud merlin]

wouldn't say it's a meta
it just does it's job
which it couldn't previously

[loud merlin]

the green ak is personal fav
top tier skin

[uneven star]

3 takes on the finals

1. guns should jam randomly and it all depends on how you use it (rare occurence but possible)
2. legendary gun skins should change the ammo's look when firing
3. the FCAR needs better legendary skins and I want to know what you guys would want as a FCAR legendary skin idea

[loud merlin]

why the first point tho 😭

[cloud karma]

@uneven star 1st take would be soooo annoying if it was to happen

[uneven star]

Could benifit you though?

[cloud karma]

I see the point

sort of

[wicked valve]

I think land mines should have a bigger excavation range, just little more but still

[loud merlin]

how good life would be if cl40 damage count towards the "deal x damage with explosives"

[mellow lodge]

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[median olive]

Clean feature takes a moment to kick in so I guess we have to help it, thank you for reporting!

[vale musk]

You literally can

[loud merlin]

you literally can't

[sacred cypress]

EMBARK Allow heavy players to throw their spears. But not unlimited like the throwing knives. Instead when u throw it once u have to wait for it to come back to ur hand kinda like Thors hammer. It's literally a SPEAR. And having to wait for it to come back even to engage in close range battle prevents it from being overpowered but viable longer distances. Maybe allow players to aim and throw it through by toggling on and off the aiming mode. WE NEED THIS IN THE FINALS.

[restive plover]

i havent played in a hot minute (since release)

just wondering whats the good kit for medium at the moment

[wary hazel]

No u cant, wth u smoking? 😂

[vale musk]

You can bishop and sprint normally

[fickle radish]

Same as before. Only difference is that glitch mine now is viable

[restive plover]

so, healing/turret, jump pad, gas nade and frag?

[fickle radish]

No, healing, jump pad, defib + whatever you want

[hallow current]

What's a new wepon you want in the game next season?

And what class?

[restive plover]

Some third relatively normal gun option for heavy once the lewis/m60 nonsense is sorted out.

[hallow current]

Dual Desert Eagles for heavy

Part of me hopes they add three weapons that have optics on them.

[hallow leaf]

Med needs a rifle

[faint wyvern]

can we get a seperate slider for sniper

as in the scope sensitivity for it

[shy shard]

I’ve been thinking about this one. For heavy. Some kind of vacuum gun. It can suck up props inside and you launch them at higher speeds. Like farther than any throw. It would also work with barrels like. And since it’s a vacuum. The perfect skin would be… A vacuum.

In that same vain. Kind of like the gmod prop gun

[hoary schooner]

i think a sick new gadget for light could be like a stim. Faster everything for a little bit, long cooldown

[hallow leaf]

Yeah... No. If any class gets a movement speed stem it should be medium, medium needs something to help them catch up to other classes when using melee. And the last thing light needs is more speed, I would say give light some sort of healing gadget like a stem or heal bomb and give med a speed one

[copper sinew]

Yeah, Stimpack specialization for mediums that increases movement speed, switch speed and reload speed/possibly melee speed would be sick and not only for melee, since guns like shotgun or CL-40 would also benefit from something like that

[copper sinew]

Honestly you can pick whatever you think is good, I think Medium now has the most balanced gadgets out of every class, everything is useful and has its purpose so it all comes down to preference.

Sure Heal beam and defib are still a really good combo, but I wouldn't call them a must have, especially if you are playing with randoms and especially especially if there are no heavies on your team

[restive plover]

playing with some freinds

[copper sinew]

Oh then I would for sure recommend heal beam and defib, unless they all play lights, other than that you can basically pick anything. Jump Pad and/or Zipline if there are a lot of heavies are really nice bacause you help with the movement, but that is about it.

[prisma escarp]

Why is the text for throwing knives blinking? The new symbol has been gone for a while now but it wont stop. Is the game telling me something.....

[sacred cypress]

EMBARK Allow heavy players to throw their spears. But not unlimited like the throwing knives. Instead when u throw it once u have to wait for it to come back to ur hand kinda like Thors hammer. It's literally a SPEAR. And having to wait for it to come back even to engage in close range battle prevents it from being overpowered but viable longer distances. Maybe allow players to aim and throw it through by toggling on and off the aiming mode. WE NEED THIS IN THE FINALS.

[inner osprey]

HK416 for medium

[wind folio]

mines are good in TA ranked, im clutching with these

[hollow musk]

I swear vanishing bomb is so good. Especially when you need to escape, just break line of sight and use it and dont move (because when your cloaked and you dont move you are completely invisible) you literally vanish

[silver socket]

bow has zero aim assist embark you make this game for mk?

[main niche]

bow does too much dmg,Throwing knives still dominate,light still on top

[boreal laurel]

Yeah IDK how anyone can say light is weak—right now it’s way better than either of the other classes. Even just with sword I do unironically better than with anything on med or heavy. (Though TBF I would rather see buffs to med and heavy than nerfs to light)

[leaden sonnet]

Medium highkey needs a buff imo

[hybrid hearth]

Medium is perfect there's literally nothing wrong about it

[mellow gazelle]

Medium is good
Perfect if they reverted the cl40 change

[crystal garnet]

Anyone else wanna like the spear but the hammer is just so much better?

[leaden sonnet]

Well idk it just doesn’t feel the same especially in ranked this season

[hybrid hearth]

Never used the CL so I trust you're right

[viscid orchid]

Yes 🙃

[unborn siren]

is the lewis gun worse than the m60 now ?

[vale musk]

Funny how ppl say light is best class, yet not one plays it in higher ranks

[fallen cradle]

I dont think APS is balanced, only 3 shots from the CL40 and your dead, you can do nothing against a CL40 Player as a Medium anymore in a 1v1 so basically you cant outplay it because they will chase you untill somebody kill them or they let go of you.
They should increase the live of the APS so it can withstand 4-6 granades or else you can just chase people and Spam them with the CL40.

[unborn siren]

best class for casual game modes*

[fallen cradle]

Actually in TA you see a Light in any team or also a squad of 3 Lights and 2 Heavys.

[vale musk]

Bro, TA

[odd forum]

Nerf the Bow please. I've been having way too much fun with it getting 20+ kills every game. Damage output is insane.

[hybrid fiber]

Just realised that the pyro grenade does not have a skin that isn't tied to progression, and thought id it be cool if there where a skin where its just a literal Fireball. It could have a special inspect like the cards skin for throwing knifes but its just the contestant burning their hand while playing with it

[near birch]

Throwing Knives as a TF2 Weapon (For Scout)

M11 as a TF2 Weapon (Sniper)

SH1900 (Scout)

V9S (Spy)

XP-54 (Sniper)

For Soldier

For Spy

For Pyro

For Spy

For Heavy

[viscid orchid]

Vanish bomb would be pretty busted in TF2

[near birch]

really long recharge downside

idk :/

[versed siren]

just shoot them

[timber sparrow]

how does the 93r compare to other light weapons?

[sweet sorrel]

Crossbow coming next season 👀

[versed siren]

ong

[whole girder]

does anyone else have the bug that they can’t complete the 1 quick melee kill challenge in this week’s career?? i’ve done it at least 10 times and the challenge doesn’t seem to count

[vale tree]

@manic dove

[fallen cradle]

Dude, what do you think I did, If you have somebody who can take you out within 3 Shots you can do nothing against him even if you would hit every shot on the head ...

[lusty reef]

It doesn't sadly. It's fun to use but there's no reason to run it over MP5 if you're playing to win

[karmic sandal]

Add Baguette

[open blade]

Add a kriss vector for medium

Kriss vector is a big smg

[elder elbow]

Nah how about a Thompson SMG

[keen sonnet]

I would like an M11 skin that turns the gun into a silenced mini-uzi.

[timber sparrow]

it already is that

[versed siren]

what class

[versed siren]

1. Take the high ground

2. run around a corner

3. get up close so they take splash

[iron night]

Get 6 kills or assists using Fast Melee Carts or Arena Carts
what is

[spiral anchor]

They need a another weapon for medium

I purpose boomerang it has arch but can bounce off opponents but if it's shot or melee it goes to the ground and the thrower has to retrieve it

Or it just comes back to the thrower after hitting a opponent and if something is in the way it stops

[eager wasp]

I want a no weapon option, just hands

[golden shuttle]

heavy with brass knuckles

[small flicker]

Deal if left click oneshots lights

Also idc if its OP i want my 150 damage rpg back

[golden shuttle]

careful you're gonna startle the lights

[small flicker]

i do not care, almost every light weapon out-DPSes any weapon the heavy has, winch claw was nerfed (although i dont use it so it doesnt bother me)

[sand monolith]

heavy still kills light faster than light kills heavy

[small flicker]

is it so wrong to let me koolaid man a light into a pile of coins or explode a light?

[loud merlin]

cant you just shoot after dealing 140 damage?

youre only 10 damage away

[small flicker]

its not that simple, the dopamine isnt as strong as a 1shot

[loud merlin]

damn you play for dopamine 😭

[golden shuttle]

https://lithi.io/file/UQ48Mhev.png

cooking something (embed fail)

[small flicker]

im not good at the game, so i play for the dopamine

[golden shuttle]

the uv map is so god awful holy shit

[loud merlin]

i would say try drugs

but yea you don't need to be good at the game to enjoy it

i suck but i love this game
not to mention I'm just a casual

[small flicker]

no thanks

[digital anvil]

We are mad about TA taking over ranked is that it feels like betrayal of the original game we all spent money on and spent time on. If they can and will add tacked on modes which copy (poorly) other games like R6 or CSG, etc halfway through a season and then suddenly make that new trashy throw away mode the only Ranked mode possible, then what else can/will they change in the future? Will they make guns unlocked by $$$? Will they just go full COD or add Battleroyale? Etc, etc, etc... I frankly don't want to play TA. I didnt like TA and now seeing how theyve changed the core mode to TA for Ranked, I dont feel like i can trust them at all anymore. They claim Cashout is still the core experience for The Finals, but how can I be sure they wont just remove it entirely if people started playing TA more? What if a whole new crowd move in because a popular streamer starts running TA streams and the number of TA players suddenly outnumber Cashout for a month. Would you trust Embark to not just

[soft shale]

I partially disagree, because there are lots of factors deciding the outcome. It's not only a matter of DPS.

A good Light will be difficult to hit and/or finish off, deals lots of damages quickly, and has the ability to negate dome/mesh shields. A good Heavy, while pretty easy to hit because he's slow and big, can be hard to take down because of his high HP count, defensive abilities, and close range damage (including the dreaded RPG).

I think one on one, the fight isn't particularly unbalanced.

The strength Lights have is that they can quickly evade fights that they can't win. A Heavy getting hit at close range can only use his defensive stuff to mitigate incoming damage to some extent, but he can't really flee the fight.

This is the exact reason why I generally get better KDRs with Light than I do with Heavy.

[hybrid hearth]

You said this once already lmao

[loud merlin]

and what if people started playing TA more?
you may leave the game but they gain thousands more

also this is not the channel for that rant

the best way to tell embark that the major playerbase don't like TA is by simply not playing it
or by playing world tour more

[golden shuttle]

there we go, textured now

[autumn ravine]

Put the motion sensor on medium. It belongs there, to replace recon sensors

[loud merlin]

so what was changed

[golden shuttle]

Wdym?

[gloomy grotto]

So i absolutely love the new season, speciale the dual blades, but i think they are too weak. They don't do enough damage (specially against heavys), and you will more often than not get killed before even hitting 3 attacks.
Being a medium class weapon also hurts them a lot, since there isn't any movement option to close distance.
The deflect is awesome but it is not good enough compared to shooting with a normal gun. If i had to buff it i would add more range and damage specifically to kill heavys.

IDEA TO FIX THIS
An idea i had (maybe too crazy) is to add a "dash" skill that you could do pressing the attack button while holding the guard button. This move shouldn't do too much damage but instead be used to fix that movement problem and get close to opponents.

I've been only playing the dual swords and i've been addicted to the game recently but this is my complain.
I hope someone reads this and maybe, MAYBE be an actual solution for the dual swords.

[loud merlin]

i thought you were making a glitch grenade skin...

[golden shuttle]

oh no i was remaking the glitch grenade myself

modeling my own ig?

[loud merlin]

oh

[loud merlin]

the dual swords are absolutely fine idk what you mean by movement problem

[gloomy grotto]

Mediums have no way to approach an opponent at all

[plain wasp]

And also reflect is kinda impossible to use effectively from more than 5 meters away

[loud merlin]

just run upto them?

[plain wasp]

And what? Hope they don't shoot back?

[loud merlin]

and deflect if they do

[soft ether]

light has dash heavy has charge and winch med mobility tools are team only

deflecting at that range is slower death

[rancid thistle]

I think dual blades would've been better on lights
The medium already has a riot shield to mitigate damage wile using melee

[loud merlin]

you can use jump pads and ziplines

[plain wasp]

If they aren't directly infront of you you aren't deflecting anything

[soft ether]

pad yes lines no thats asking for death

[loud merlin]

yea you have to face them
the weapon won't just handhold your way to the kill

[soft ether]

you have to hold them in a 30degree viewbox thats more than facing them lol

[loud merlin]

hmm true that
very situational weapon tbh
i rarely use melees
mostly use sledgehammer

[plain wasp]

And you're still taking damage while they take none unless you get really lucky

[gloomy grotto]

Light can dash

Heavys can take the opponent

[loud merlin]

they take none?
dude it's 100% damage dealt back and 25% hit to you

[soft ether]

i think its bad overall the deflect isnt forgiving enough on returned shots imo and it rewards people magdumping vs punishing it because of it

[gloomy grotto]

It isn't 100% accurate

[plain wasp]

Do the bullets you deflect always hit them tho?

[loud merlin]

i guess so
i have killed lh1 lights by just deflecting

[plain wasp]

If they're anything more than 5 meters away they're pretty much never getting hit

[soft ether]

Ive got a clip of myself and an opponent no further than our messages are from each other and every deflected shot misses lol

[loud merlin]

idk wdym by that cause it works pretty fine on my games

[gloomy grotto]

I say that the bullets don't directly go to the point

[loud merlin]

well that's the risk you're willing to take when you're using a melee

[soft ether]

In fact he dumps 3 mags at me both standing still and zero shots are returned

[plain wasp]

But with the dual blades you can never catch a medium if they just run and you can never catch a light in general

[loud merlin]

wtf this gotta be factually wrong bro 😭

[loud merlin]

well yea you have to play accordingly
if you just run around chasing them obviously they're either gonna run or shoot your legs

[soft ether]

Totally serious it was on the rooftop in Monaco outside church with the yellow lift only factor that should have thrown shots off was he was elevated above me but yeah zero deflects i even moved my point of aim through his dump to see if just one would land this was also the first match id even used them, vrs felt like i wasted them instantly lol

[plain wasp]

Deflect isn't nearly effective enough at any sort of area denial to survive rushing people

[loud merlin]

thats crazy
i would say use riot shield atp

[loud merlin]

idts
as i said
i literally killed a light by just deflecting
now the light might just be aiming for straight body but it does it's job
different weapons different playstyles

[soft ether]

I use cl40 mainly but theyre doing their best to kill it as a weapon and it has had a damage reg bug since beta im not great with the shield because of the limited fov when holding it up thought blades would help with that but id rather have the full dmg mitigation from riot than chance the deflects connecting after my experiences with both weapons

[loud merlin]

when i use cl40 i suck
but when my opponent does they kill my in an instant
im never touching anything but ak again

[plain wasp]

A light, a light all alone that dumped bullets into your deflect isn't enough evidence to prove that deflect is useful, in every scenario I've been in the lights pushing me have teammates right behind them to shoot from a slightly different angle and not get anything deflected

Deflect is too inconsistent to be useful in more than rare cases

[loud merlin]

yea that's the drawback of using a melee weapon
also i mention killing a light because i literally killed by doing almost nothing
there are many scenarios where you can deflect and make your opponent low in health
then chase him down for just a strike or two
you have to make your playstyle like that or better

you can just not use dual swords and switch to riot shield if you want a better melee weapon which also blocks projectiles

[plain wasp]

The problem isn't really the melee weapon part or Short range, it's more that the deflect is just way too hard to get use out of if they aren't point blank, in which case you could just be attacking them

[left sentinel]

Got a question about sniper mains, whats the difficulty when sniping players up close? As well as dash while sniping to.

[limber thistle]

Anyone else a believer in the data reshaper? I enjoy turning sentries and barricades into props.

[weary eagle]

The deflect feels buggy at times, sometimes it doesnt deflect at all even though your aiming right at them and alot of the time the deflect doesnt actually reflect the bullets back, it honestly would be fine, even good, if it was more consistent

[granite dust]

I feel like medium deserves an SVD or another marksman rifle with further range than revolver

[hallow leaf]

I feel the same way, it's way too dependent on the server. It feels like your flipping a coin to determine if you are actually going to block any damage or not

[smoky jackal]

b hopping shouldnt make the sound from cloaked lights disappear

[sacred cypress]

EMBARK Allow heavy players to throw their spears. But not unlimited like the throwing knives. Instead when u throw it once u have to wait for it to come back to ur hand kinda like Thors hammer. It's literally a SPEAR. And having to wait for it to come back even to engage in close range battle prevents it from being overpowered but viable longer distances. Maybe allow players to aim and throw it through by toggling on and off the aiming mode. WE NEED THIS IN THE FINALS.

[desert nexus]

But then one the secondary skill would have to be removed.

[carmine rivet]

hi

[sacred cypress]

Not really that's why you should have toggle mode to switch between the modes and use the shoot button to throw it. Like a anither button on the left pad or new key bind

[lean hornet]

Goo gun skin level 8 is missing. What happened?

[hollow nexus]

whats wrong with xp-54 visual recoil?

[steady wave]

bow hard to use

[crude garden]

Lewis Gun or M60

[alpine ledge]

My main I use that mf for everything ima changed everything in the room 😂

[limber thistle]

Is wild that they buffed it, like... 2 uses????? that's so good

[dusty breach]

I love that gadget, it's always such a good feeling to just completely flip off turret users lol

[limber thistle]

So satisfying. It also especially punishes things placed in clusters, so ppl that put their aps on their turret lose both

or mines by turret or barricades. i love the variety of things it hits

[tropic hearth]

MGL32 grenades not exploding on contact with shields and turrets is crazy

Standing here shooting a turret that's about 30 feet away and the grenades are just bouncing off of it

[forest gyro]

M60. big mag pool, fast fire rate, good in close range

[sweet thistle]

I'm 90% playing light and the 10% I play medium I go by data reshaper like this

Now that it has 2 uses it's great

[honest raven]

I dont understand why dual blades ricochet doesnt have a cd, too many meds just staring at you LOL

[distant forge]

Lol

[fickle hornet]

can't wait for another game to have people rage heavy for powershift

when someone is kicked does that mean they got banned?

[shy shard]

I think it’s Day 2 idk if I’ve told this in this chat
Anyways, day 2 of pitching a vacuum gun for heavy (gadget). It sucks up chairs and tables and other props to be launched at high speeds for extra damage. It also can suck up barrels and provide the utility of a barrel in a more viable sense. Launching them at ranges no other class can do. And since it’s a vacuum. A perfect skin can be … A Vacuum. I’m coming back everyday to yap about this idea. Cuz I think it’s actually great.

[near birch]

Rage heavies when I pull out a long range weapon (they can't reach that far without their precious Lewis Gun)

[near birch]

That'd be cool, but also run out of use quicklt

[shy shard]

Yeah. Just like you suck one thing and shot it and cooldown for 10 seconds

Maybe you can hold whatever you’ve sucked up for a while. Unless you don’t use it

[near birch]

Well that'd be weird since you can just pick up props and toss them

[shy shard]

Or it only goes on cooldown when you shoot

[jagged escarp]

It power them up

[shy shard]

Nah but the point is it shoots them faster than you throw. And does more damage

[near birch]

Also I just want to say, I can see what embark is trying to go for when they choose which weapons get into the game. So just saying that weapons that look too similar to an already existing one will most likely be ignored

[near birch]

Oh ok then

[near birch]

This is also why every weapon has a unique sound and distinct design from each other that makes them noticeably different than others at a glance. So just saying an M16 will probably be ignored because it's upper rail looks too similar to the famas

[jagged escarp]

Vac can suck multiple items and the more items it has the more damage it gets (maxing at 6 items). If you vac special items it gets those effects but weaker. The more items you suck the longer the cool-down will be

[shy shard]

Barrels can be sucked too. And making them more viable at longer ranges

[jagged escarp]

That’s how I would rework it

[near birch]

Interesting

[shy shard]

Lmao.

[jagged escarp]

The special will have bullet drop to be balanced

[near birch]

Make it so the cash box can also be sucked up so that it gives players an extra option to exploit the physics systems in the game

Cause I love to see physics manipulation in games, that's why I trapped 248 people in the roofs on Monaco last season

[jagged escarp]

Oh yeah cash boxes can’t be suck then

[jagged escarp]

How

[shy shard]

I think to balance. You can suck one barrel at a time (fire, gas, etc.) and you can suck up to 5 props and it added 20 damage to your projectile junk pile mess. But the projectile will get heavier. But do more damage

[shy shard]

Yeah. That’s a no go

[jagged escarp]

And has a longer cool-down the more items you suck

[near birch]

1. Use CL40
2. Wait for enemy to get in the corner or near chimney/pillar
3. Shoot roof
4. Hope the dice roll that physics in this game can be is in your favor
5. They're trapped

[jagged escarp]

Starts a 3s but +1 time increase time by +1 seconds

[shy shard]

That’s too. If you suck the max items the cool down is 1 min

[warm lion]

yes definitely a vacuum gun

[shy shard]

And it can be a collab skin

[near birch]

We have a strange interruption and now I'm being told that THE FINALS is now being taken over by the combine

[shy shard]

I would work for Embark bro. Join the think tank

[jagged escarp]

lol

[near birch]

I'd love to make scotty's lines

[shy shard]

Fr. I pretty much are Scotty

[near birch]

And june's

I've been making character studies of the three announcers, Scotty, June, and the background guy

[jagged escarp]

I would love to be on patch notes duty of work there. (Why does my fave game have the worse patch noters ever)

[near birch]

The background guy is the most static, having not changed at all personality wise
Scotty has gotten more and more egotistical as time goes on
June is just trying to do her job

[jagged escarp]

lol

June is fed up with scotty

[near birch]

There's so many lines scotty says that are so condescending to june

Such as something like "June you interrupted me there [then repeats what June said]"

[jagged escarp]

lol

[near birch]

And then June gets back at him with the OspUze thing which you can tell scotty tries to deflect

[jagged escarp]

lol

[plain wasp]

The bow would be a lot cooler if you could put different kinds of grenades on the arrows

[near birch]

Only if they exploded after a bit

[jagged escarp]

That would be abit to powerful

Bow meta 💀

[plain wasp]

Only ones you bring as your other gadgets but they turn into 2 arrows per grenade or smth

Grenade arrows would just be bo2 crossbow bolts

They'd have to move slow and have limited range too

[jagged escarp]

But that would only be limited to the bow sooooooo

[plain wasp]

Making your arrow an explosive arrow would make it only really useful for structural damage or do like 50 damage in a little area

Gas, goo, flash, smoke, sonar, vanishing and Pyro arrows would just give light more long range utility

Stun arrow...

[jagged escarp]

Yeah but still there is a problem limited to one weapon

[rancid thistle]

I just tried out the thermal bore as a replacement for breaching charges on my light and I'm loving it, hanging structures are so much easier to drop with it since it can take out the cables from a distance and drop the whole thing if you use both shots

[jagged escarp]

Vanish and stun are cool

[chrome cloak]

spear is good

[latent tide]

what are the use cases for the data reshaper? it seems completely useless

[eager wasp]

take down floating structures by turning canister into red bomb one

uhh

[latent tide]

how do you guarantee you will get a reD?

[eager wasp]

can get rid of turrets cant it?

[eager wasp]

i don't know what turns into what, but a specific canister will turn into a red one if data reshaped

[gusty sedge]

I love it too but I find myself coming back to the breach charge again because i like to reserve the option to drop cashouts and suspended structures from a distance to catch my opponents off guard. But the fun factor of the thermal bore is undeniable. Hopefully they give us a cool skin for it

[eager wasp]

al,so im not 100% sure but i think if timed correct it can turn grenades as well

[oak galleon]

Data reshaper can change turrets and mines as well, so mildly useful there. Makes it quicker/easier to handle em

[latent tide]

it seems the data reshaper changes stuff in the following rules:
goo -> fire
fire -> toxic
toxic -> explosive
explosive -> smoke
smoke -> goo
glitch -> random canister
other stuff -> random canister
turrets -> random object
grenade -> random canister
mines -> random object
grenade launcher projectile, rpg -> random object

i have never though to try to use it on turrets

but then it seems its quite good then

[near birch]

Also use it on mines

[latent tide]

and it has an aoe transformer field, so can turn multiple stuff

[vital seal]

mines -> random object 😄

[oak galleon]

I think it can hit multiple things at once in a small area, like if they have a ton of stuff on the cashout station. Never used it myself, but that's what the preview video shows

[rocky path]

#1253147941472960666 message

[red dove]

how do you do light 1v1s with bow?

[vale musk]

It always changes hostile stuff into props, if you changed grenade launcher into canister then you used 2 charges (grenade -> prop -> canister)

[rocky path]

It depends on the weapon etc

[vale musk]

You can also change RPG midair

[rocky path]

Hello, i noticed you sent me a friend request (:

[latent tide]

true

[vale musk]

Anyway, i really enjoy reshaper for melee medium, great against mines and turrets, helpful for setting up defences on cashouts

[boreal laurel]

What barrel appears cycles in a predictable pattern—keep spamming and eventually it’ll give you what you want (waste of time of course but that’s how it works)

[vale musk]

➞ Barrel Order - The order for reshaping barrels is:

1. Smoke
2. Goo
3. Flame
4. Gas
5. Explosive and back to Smoke

This is the order, glitch gives random

[limber thistle]

Data Reshaper also hits barricades.

[dusky wren]

terminal attack has forced me to use smoke grenades

[languid pelican]

Try it, a great counter for cash out that's heavily guarded, great against mid and heavy - done and barricades get changed easily countering heavy

[oak galleon]

Oooh that's sick! I just got it today so I'll definitely be giving it a shot. On the topic of medium, what's the top three or so weapons for em lately? I've screwed around with a few different options but I've not really landed on what I like yet

[vague monolith]

I'm having like zero success on heavy lately, mostly the last round of tournaments. Any heavies winning most of your matches? What are you using and how are you acting?

[oak galleon]

I go between all classes personally, but I was a heavy main in S2 and I've had some success in S3. Barricades are your friend, they don't melt like the dome/mesh. Heavy is very short-range right now, don't even bother with the LMGs most of the time. Shotgun, flamethrower, or hammer are the way. Heavy is great for setting up traps. Barricades/goo to force people into the pathing you want them to take, then have those routes covered. Try to stick to corners/nooks where people won't see you at first so you can get the jump. Winch is nice in a pinch as well, splits up opposing teams if you use it right. I personally dig the flamethrower, it obstructs visibility so people can't land as many good hits if you're moving well.

[boreal laurel]

AKM is easily the best, but it’s a toss-up for the other two. FCAR is okay but very overshadowed by AK. FAMAS, revolver, and 1887 require a lot of practice but reward skillful play with excellent performance. CL-40 (post-nerf) feels pretty underpowered to me, and dual blades are just impractically hard unless you intend to devote several dozen hours to mastering them. And riot shield…is still riot shield. 😉 Great for its niche and better than most people give it credit for

[boreal laurel]

I used to main heavy but I gave up on it very quickly this season. Light just works so much better and shreds heavy so easily. I don’t even use medium much any more

But I do want to go back to heavy with some new loadout ideas (specifically winch claw combos)

[restive plover]

thanks bro

[oak galleon]

Good to know! I might mess around with the FAMAS and revolver some more. I've been maining riot shield for most of my medium rounds lately, with 1887 as a reserve weapon when things get dicey

[smoky jackal]

ngl if u use throwing knives, u are just bad at light and need a crutch

[burnt gyro]

i love how use full the anti grav cube is

[wild nexus]

the dagger is starting to reach tf2 knife levels of bullshit when it comes to backstabs

[tawny cedar]

real.
also do lights just not give foots when invisible or otherwise? I swear I have my volume turned waay up but I ALWAYS get surprise attacked by lights only.

[wild nexus]

pretty sure that they just do that shimmer sound that you can never hear the second anything happens in the game

[tawny cedar]

dang it, that kinda sucks

[dusk meteor]

Throwing knives take some skill, but are hard af to counter when I'm being dashed around and I die in 2 hits.

[oak meadow]

Aps but in a bomb that permanently destroys all gadgets like mines and stuff

[sharp river]

bow damage is absolutely insane 💀
i do NOT have the skill to be getting this many kills this thing needs a nerf

[dusk meteor]

I agree, I am no good with the bow but I get owned every time I come across it 💀

[tawny cedar]

i felt the same way while using sword + dash today for the first time as a light, it was the first match I managed to cross 12 kills

makes you feel like a god

[wild nexus]

dash lights are fucking everywhere its nothing but dash lights

[dusk meteor]

I'll admit, when I'm light, I'm using dash w/ xp-54 and vanish bomb lol

[sinful dagger]

I'm gonna fucking blow myself if another person says lh is worse than s2 after nerf

[tawny cedar]

i don't think anyone rational would be saying that lol, it's been an overall buff

[hoary schooner]

Have an idea for a gadget/specialization. camera that you put down, and you can later active whenevr you want to see through it. sort of like cypher's cam from valorant

[hoary schooner]

I was a dash light from s1, they copied me

[tawny cedar]

given how destructive & fast-paced action is, the cam would probably end up looking at rubble 90% of the time, or if it's really high up on a building, it'd be too far away from the action to be useful for info.
i was a cypher main in valorant btw, what about u 😃

[hoary schooner]

was neon

lol

[tawny cedar]

well you must be happy with the recent buffs then? 😂 she's broken af now

[tidal hollow]

The best Light spec most of the time

[wild nexus]

no shit its a get out of jail free card whenever they fuck up and they have 3 of them

[sand monolith]

Yeah the other light specs could use buffs

[stray rampart]

WR!

[mental scarab]

how am I supposed to counter a flamethrower as a light?

[near birch]

Stun gun and run

[mental scarab]

is there no other way?

[near birch]

Just get distance

[near birch]

That's your only option
Get distance and use tight corners or long halls to pick off their health bit by bit, eventually they'll turn their backs to run and then you can chase them down

I think you're a bot

[burnt fossil]

no

[jagged wigeon]

Ey guys i play on xbox and The weapon skin level 6 and 7 is full black. Anyone have this problem to? :/

[sacred cypress]

EMBARK Allow heavy players to throw their spears. But not unlimited like the throwing knives. Instead when u throw it once u have to wait for it to come back to ur hand kinda like Thors hammer. It's literally a SPEAR. And having to wait for it to come back even to engage in close range battle prevents it from being overpowered but viable longer distances. Maybe allow players to aim and throw it through by toggling on and off the aiming mode. WE NEED THIS IN THE FINALS.

[unique veldt]

SH1900 VS LH1 GUYS

[silk trench]

THIS!!!!!!!!!!! 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

[loud merlin]

this is like the 10th time I've seen someone send this

not even a request just a copypasta atp bruv

[surreal sage]

Famas work too. Few bullets in the head and the Light will be very low

[alpine ledge]

You gotta get ur aim up as a light you a pest fr stop playing direct keep ur distance you have glitch nades use em

[gusty sedge]

I kinda actually like the spear idea. When it comes back it should damage structures as well that would be tight. I'd come off light to play that

[sterile fern]

THIS

[gusty sedge]

That's a copy pasta but the idea is still good. Drop the current alt fire for the throw. Cmon embark think of the possibilities

[ancient yoke]

what gun is better for medium rn?

[small flicker]

idk about better but 1887 is fun

[still summit]

I wish there was a better way to show mastery in a weapon like badges for you banner or something adjacent

[ancient yoke]

i gotta get better with the 1887 but i feel like im constantly getting fried when i use it

[small flicker]

yeah it takes time, i like to learn new weapons in power shift so i can compensate for bad aim with 5 enemies

[ancient yoke]

thats smart, i might try it out

[tropic hearth]

If you just want generic usefulness and reliability, then the AKM

it's boring and CoD, but it's hard to compete with that damage per mag

Revolvers is technically better if you're rarely missing and getting lots of headshots

It's optimal TTK is slightly better, but not by much

[ancient yoke]

i've been using akm for a bit now and i used fcar before it got nerfed im not great w headshots so ive never messed with the revolver but it seems cool

[tropic hearth]

revolver is cool

but often times your enemies are completely hidden by your iron sights

[wind folio]

i prefer the shotgun, but use it if your aim is good (mine isnt)

[ancient yoke]

ive totally seen that when spectating teammates, i think that makes it super offputting for me

[ancient yoke]

i’ve been using kovaks aim trainer to get better at it, but i’m still only decent, but my aiming has come a loooong way since starting the finals

[shy shard]

Yo. Day 3 asking so for a vacuum gun. You can suck up props and launch them at high speeds dealing damage from range. It can also suck up barrels to make them more viable at longer ranges

[short ledge]

2shot with throwing dagger or bow (too fast and strong) and i die with M is it really normal????? while i need many shot for them with AK and the CL40 still not working normal??????????????????

[soft juniper]

So thoughts on being able to attach your throwables to the bow so you can get a spacial arrow shot? But it only able to prep one and you have to reattach it again to shoot another

[dreamy hare]

Give to throwing daggers reload....

[ashen slate]

dual blades need a lunge attack as well. maybe make the right click block but also lunge after its released.

[novel timber]

I agree I think right now they can just be overwhelmed by anything

[latent tide]

its just need to return more dmg or dont let so much pass through and it will be fine

[ashen slate]

that works to but why just make another riot shield that reflect bullets?
i want the weapons to have a use case. and i think having a melee that drops the defensive style and goes more offensive would be worthwhile to have

[valid nebula]

knife go brrrr

[eager python]

I feel like they should flip the glitch grenade upside down so u hold it by the long part not by the round part and make it do a flip forward when u throw it

[past marsh]

I got to appreciate that they had introduced weapons with gimmicks that work as something more than a plain "it only shoots bullets" weapon. Still better than releasing slightly altered variants of the old meta guns.

[jagged escarp]

Why is the LH1 so good for me it feels inaccurate

[rancid thistle]

As a gadget or specialization it'd be interesting

[shy shard]

Yeah. Either a specialization that you can hold on to your prop pile or barrel. Or a one time use gadget.

[restive plover]

The SA1216 needs some improvements, like a better range and.... the sound when you shot (which is horrible imo)

[rancid thistle]

Thermal bore can destroy the cranes in a single shot. Love this as an anti sniper tool

[sand monolith]

It’s a great weapon it def doesn’t need buffs

[vast jasper]

the SA1216, with mesh shield to close the distance, can be devastating, definitely one of my favorite weapons for the Heavy

[paper schooner]

Good job embark on another flop of a weapon and I’m talking about the swords they don’t deflect nothing bro L on swords

[vast jasper]

nah they're fun

[alpine ledge]

Stop being negative foo

[alpine ledge]

Take your time w it practice is everything first time I used it I couldn’t hit anything I be bringing in at least 15 a game w it

[night cobalt]

The cl-40 needs some buffs for it to be used more and feel good I think they should make it so that it does 10% more damage and has 5 shots instead of 4

[novel timber]

Yea it’s main problem is it’s ammo

[vestal kelp]

yeah

[novel timber]

It needs 6 bullets

Then it would be perfect

[vestal kelp]

i dont use it very often but yeah

[vestal kelp]

i like comboing it with the winch claw

[soft shale]

I understand the criticism though, you'd sometimes wish it would slap as hard as the M1887, especially when players escape you with 2 hp. But then that would be completely fucking broken with the ammo count you have ahah

[novel timber]

Same it’s a beast with the winch claw

[vestal kelp]

yeah

but it need a bit faster switch speed

like a fourth of a second shorter

[novel timber]

Yea

Also the winch claw pulls in a bit to slow

[vestal kelp]

its fine since it stuns the person while being pulled

well i mean they cant shoot

[novel timber]

Yea that’s true

So It doesn’t really matter

[vestal kelp]

yeah

what would be cool is if multiple people are near each other you can hook them all

[vast jasper]

easy way for the heavy to explode

[vestal kelp]

yeah

it would be funny just grabing an entire team

[novel timber]

That would me weird

[vast jasper]

what is weird is that even when it visually connects on my screen, they somehow break it, or are unaffected by it sometimes

in which i don't know if it's intentional or not
regardless, winch is still super fun

[novel timber]

Yea

[vestal kelp]

the range is kinda bad

if they increased it a bit that would be great

[vast jasper]

the stun is underrated imo
it gives you a good shot on someone before they can dash away most of the time (i.e. a light)
and with the flamethrower, the over-time fire damage still hurts them while they get stunned and yoinked towards you

it's not long but it helped me alot in 1v1 fights

[novel timber]

Yea it’s kinda good for the ks23 because it’s so hard to hit your shots with it it just gives you one free shot most likely 2

[vestal kelp]

i never really notice the overtime damage when im using it

if the winch claw worked on teamates then you could grab someone out of danger

but there would be many problems with that

[vast jasper]

i wish i can make the ks23 work for me
i see people do wonders with it but it's literally the only heavy weapon i can't use

maybe i just suck at aiming it
which is weird considering the sh1900 is my favorite light weapon

[vestal kelp]

it works at lonng range for some reason

[vast jasper]

i want it so bad to be more accurate near the center of the reticle