💣┇weapons-gadgets

[hallow current]

You know that was another one of my ideas:

"Pop shield" - a protective barrier that heals one instance of damage. No matter how much the damage is.

I was thinking of Nama Tamas shell basically. It would be a cool form of self defense for the light class since the heavy has shields and medium has a riot shield

[restive plover]

I'think it's some people's hatred to heavy make you mad, those people are truly small-minded.

[sand monolith]

when you think about it, this would nerf heavy because they would be 1 shot by rpg... this is truly genius

[mellow lodge]

exactly big brain

[hallow current]

Fact is that it's a dumb idea

[latent saffron]

As a light you shouldn't survive an rpg

[crystal void]

here's something I'm sick of, I don't think Mediums should be able to have both a guardian turret and an aps turret

I recently had a game where a team of three mediums had 3 guardian turrets with 3 aps turrets RIGHT NEXT to them. Literally unclearable. Literally NO ONE ELSE got a cashout other than them. Shit was horrendous. 3 turrets killed our Heavy in like, literally 3 seconds, and he HAD that reinhardt-ass sheild, but no matter where he turned there were always two turrets shooting him in the back. I would understand if HEAVY would have an APS turret or something, but giving that combo to just one contestant build is just so undeniably broken

[fickle radish]

Aps is made to contest heavyes and lights mostly so does not make sense giving that power to an heavy.
Turrets can be a pain but people should just try to learn how to clear them before engaging specially if they are well placed on off angles. Light glitch nades can be a good solution, same as heavy barricade and medium data reshaper.
Anyway data reshaper should need a bit of a range buff maybe cause rn is too situational and aps should need a little nerf like giving it limited charges or a cooldown

[spring wolf]

i love this game brother _@

[nova lichen]

https://youtu.be/ONGX36am6NI?si=jNBnYf5zg84Sfsrh

[spring wolf]

w video need to watch it if you want to get good frrr????\

[wise briar]

I miss the tracking dart for M 😢

[fickle radish]

The finals is perfectly balanced if you remove from the equation that useless class called light

[reef vector]

yeah tracking dart is so good

[mellow lodge]

real

[potent ledge]

I whant a particle beam, maybe take some inspiration from Mass Effect

[mellow lodge]

@tender minnow your jokes of buffing rpg and lewis gun made it into a video

OMG I'M IN THE VIDEO, HOW THE FUCK DID SOMEONE SAY NERF TK THOUGH

[wide edge]

they need to buff the damage tho

like only five is not enouph

[distant hawk]

make RPG great again !

[trim jacinth]

im very close to quitting the game, i think the current priority should go into game balancing instead of new content

when they introduce more and more gametype, it adds another level of complexity to the game balancing

[meager prism]

The only ballancing TF needs is just 3 weapons.

Compare that to other FPS games.

[soft juniper]

Another Heavy weapon I wish was just alittle better was MGL32 (Heavy Grenade launcher) I just wish it either had a little more power or was alittle easier to hit with because its sometimes very hard to wall bang it all the time

[lone tusk]

Still waiting for the minigun for the heavy

[meager prism]

Low gravity event makes it useless, am I right?

Ngl low gravity screws up any kind of heavy loadout i have.

[soft juniper]

yeah makes the 2nd bounce go further

[soft juniper]

melee weapons too

Im trying to use the Goo Gun to make spots that I can wall bang off of from the Grenades too

I mean Low Gravity with the charge and slam is powerful when combed with a jump pad

[meager prism]

It would be awesome if charge ‘n slam would deal more damage the further you fall.

Like it feels like i’m a meteorite falling on the enemies, but they only get a scratch when do hit them.

[soft juniper]

if you dont do it already combo it with the RPG

[meager prism]

Idk, maybe

Just imagine a half tonn fatso falling on you at the speed of light. How can you survive that?

Ofc it would be op, but it would be fun as hell

[soft juniper]

Like I said combo RPG with it and your damage will be destructive

[soft juniper]

It’s a very situation set up but more or less just rpg below you and charge n slam right after launch

It’s just a situational move you can pull if the opportunity is there but more or less yes but make sure your at a decent hight when doing it (eepy no more replying to me please)

[solid pagoda]

I've been banned for two weeks, why didn't my appeal come to fruition, I'm not a cheater at all

[wise bane]

I was banned by mistake. Please Embrak check my account and manually review it. Please😭 , embrakID:ggghht#6009

[steep leaf]

Please add more actual cool skins and more creative animations to the weapons. Particularly the r.357 or any other weapon. maybe some effects, or different sounds to weapons. This is my favourite game

[last solar]

O god no, they should focus on gameplay mechanics and maps

But i agree animation are cool

[steep leaf]

yeah. But APS is too annoying and OP. it should have a limit to the amount of projectiles it deflects.

[last solar]

Hmm.. agree

[steep leaf]

What features/mechanics would you like to be changed?

[last solar]

Not changed but to add new specialiasions and guns

[steep leaf]

oh yes. i totally agree

But honestly, they have made such a good game. I really appreciate the effort they have put into this game

[meager prism]

Btw, wouldn’t it be better if we get new guns not just each season, but between seasons too?

[steep leaf]

Yes

[tidal olive]

I second a new map.

[steep leaf]

That would be so good. It would actually make people (including myself) play the game longer, since i get bored of it after playing it for a week since there is nothing new

[last solar]

I thought about shockwave gun for light that shot shock wave to push player and if u shot it near your feet it can launch u like shockwave grande from Fortnite. For medium a slow down gun that create a slow time bubble that can slow projectiles and players (slow the sensitivity like what the mesh shield do) for heavy a deployable tarret that need someone to operate, it have strong fire power (rocket?) but leave u vulnerable from the sides (u cant move)

[steep leaf]

What about a team death match gamemode. that would be fun

[steep leaf]

Those are good ideas

[last solar]

It can work but embark are trying to be original with their modes (which is good)

[steep leaf]

Yes you are right

It makes the game more unique

[last solar]

Yeah

[steep leaf]

Do they even look at these suggestions?

[dire dragon]

wth is going on

[fallow kiln]

Give Heavy the 12 gauge Desert Eagle

[meager prism]

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-point-debate-argument-angel-gif-17274775

[fallow kiln]

It would be glorious, they're the only class without a pistol

[fickle radish]

Give light the shotgun explosive revolver like payday 2

[orchid hearth]

give heavy throwable spears

[fickle radish]

Give heavy ability to throw hammer

[feral geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/the-finals-reach-the-finals-get-coined-heavy-cashout-gif-9593384088164786961

Give heavy heat-seeking missile 🤑🤑🗣️💥💥👹

[bright pendant]

I had a goo visualiser idea

[ashen hawk]

giving heavy charge railgun, with a bit smaller scope than the light sniper

[modest moon]

does data reshaper work through walls/floors?

[rough carbon]

https://youtube.com/shorts/kvPMv7n9K_g?si=slqCb7jVPlygfYEN

[fleet brook]

I believe you need LOS on the object

[modest moon]

thanks

[jaunty glen]

Anyone use or get any use out of the data reshaper ?

[fallow kiln]

But make it so that it sends them flying backwards through buildings

[fallen kestrel]

Give medium or heavy a Tommy gun maybe

[fleet brook]

Nah I think requiring los is fair

Yes you need line of sight with what you want to change like it is currently

[fallow kiln]

Give it to medium alongside a mobster skin

Tony Soprano skin for Heavy when

[scenic ferry]

should they add to the game pipe bombs?

[edgy wharf]

for what

[south knoll]

Was AKM nerfed?

[scenic ferry]

for destroying enemies buildings, like sniper's nest or annihilating enemies on platform

[edgy wharf]

Thats literally what red canisters and frag grenades are for.

[scenic ferry]

pipeboms will explode on impact

[dim onyx]

any1 rock w the idea of having a vote for gadget and weapon bans before a tourney

[idle reef]

everyone banning rpg and defib

[dim onyx]

i can see defib but its genuinely crazy that ppl hate defibs

i miss pre patch defibs

[obsidian nexus]

thats wild

[dim onyx]

**i can see rpg ban

[idle reef]

defib just drags out fights a lot more than it needs to sometimes, especially against 2/3 of them.

[dim onyx]

thats fair. but itd force ppl to use dif shit other than the meta. naybe have 1 ban pick per class

idk i really want the game to incentivise using whatever the moment calls for rather than everyone shoe horned into playingba speficic class or weapon every patch

[idle reef]

To be fair the falling into the meta is a choice, the melee usage increase is a key example of this after the hitreg improvement

[dim onyx]

i mean to a point it is im not denying that, but to say others playing the meta wont have influence on how u play is disingenuous at worst. the past 3 days ive only gotten into lobbies where everyone is LLL or LLM, all using a variant of dash sword or invis sword. maybe all of this is literally just bc i have 400+ hours in game and im starting to get tilted at the community lol

i think they need more weapons and maps, more core mechanic gameplay stuff cause shits starting to feel overtuned or made usless, just generally confusing how embark chooses to balance sometimes. on the same hand im also a dumb shit fuck head thats never developed so 🤷

[idle reef]

Everyone game is about adopting to the meta as it changes, embrace shotgun. I keep it as a secondary choice at all times just in case

[dim onyx]

yeh instarted using the heavy ksg, im j booty buns w it

[idle reef]

No matter what happens we must adapt, I've been loving seeing model everywhere because of swords

[dim onyx]

yate i will say the shotgun buffs feel good, specially on the model, i avoided it for awhile bc it felt underpowered 2 me

[untold wing]

a question for people what do people think on the invis for the light character, ima be real at this point i want it removed its the most annoying thing and so broken

[obsidian nexus]

u can too easily spot it is my take. but its probably good like this. maybe between pre nerf and after nerf visibility. its just a LITTLE too visible right now

[untold wing]

my issue is running mac 10 and invis, its a stupidly good combo that you cant really do anything aginst (this is coming from somone who is a sniper main)

[hallow current]

FOR A TEAM BASED GAME THE VOICE CHAT FEATURE SURE IS SHIT

[obsidian nexus]

thats indeed a good combo

[hot vapor]

snsisgaga on god

[reef vector]

Yeah

[sand monolith]

@tender minnow LMAO

[fallow kiln]

Will you sign my petition?

https://tenor.com/view/postal-petition-gif-22801949

[north snow]

grenade launcher is such bullshit honestly

[hoary pelican]

Ads turrent

[mellow lodge]

why you responding to something from 6 days ago?

[drowsy osprey]

why cant you hold the backstab with the dagger?

i feel like that would make it at least a little viable to run

[fleet brook]

Which one

[fleet brook]

Because that would remove the whole timing part of the weapon and just make it positioning based

Also you can just pre charge backstabs then dash stab becomes easier

[sand monolith]

Ads turrent

[north snow]

I see the medium one more often, but they’re both pretty awful too play against

[fleet brook]

Heavies sucks

[mellow lodge]

[sand monolith]

dude i saw that

"nerf lewis and rpg" being featured in a video about why player feedback is wrong is so funny

[mellow lodge]

did you see what i said is also in it

[sand monolith]

no i only saw mine and the dude immediately after who posts bait

[mellow lodge]

i said buff tk's and he added another person saying nerf tk

[sand monolith]

who the fuck wants tk nerfed

[mellow lodge]

like as soon as i saw DN and a guy say nerf tk i could no longer take the video seriously

[sand monolith]

[drowsy osprey]

but saber can still do that

[mellow lodge]

how the fuck

[arctic fog]

throwing knives do not need a nerf lol

[mellow lodge]

yes thats why we are calling a youtubers video stupid

[arctic fog]

who?

oh i see

[mellow lodge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONGX36am6NI

[fleet brook]

Mediums definitely the best one but I'd rather a grenade launcher then lewis or fcar

[arctic fog]

yeah I watched that

[mellow lodge]

all i got from it was it's just a skill issue

[arctic fog]

and I mean some of what he says is true but there are definitely some balancing problems

like, undeniable balancing problems

[mellow lodge]

for example the rpg

[north snow]

Well atleast with those if someone is standing off point shooting down you can fight back, better then someone with a grenade launcher just spamming point out of los

[arctic fog]

Can't have fun playing light anymore

I've resorted to using heavy 😔

[mellow lodge]

how dare you

[arctic fog]

I'm so sorry

[digital saddle]

aps: cancels nades in a wide aoe without taking damage, can be placed over mines and other gadgets, can be picked back up to be placed without cooldown at full health = 'THE FINALS is well-balanced'?

[arctic fog]

it's like playing on easy mode tho XD

[mellow lodge]

good, now go repent for your sin

[arctic fog]

by playing 10 rounds of light?

[mellow lodge]

i'd hate aps less if this game had a nade indicator or good audio

[mellow lodge]

[sand monolith]

the funny part about this video is that its true for most feedback. 99% of balance complaints i see are stupid

[mellow lodge]

this is true, but there are also things that are actual problems

[sand monolith]

yea absolutely

[rose scarab]

HOW DO I FARM STEALS

IVE DONE EVERY CONTRACT BUT STEALS

[hallow current]

HHH composition.

Just run triple mesh shield tripple dome shield and bully your way onto a cashout.

Ez

It's meant to be a grind anyway. To get us to play the game

[fleet brook]

Make tiny holes with demat so the cash out doesn't directly drop through the floor but is hackable then take your free hack

[amber cloak]

pretty sure this man is right

[onyx forge]

Im going to yap till non piss

[onyx forge]

Ranked or QC

[rose scarab]

QC

[onyx forge]

Quick Cash

[rose scarab]

I am in quick cash

[onyx forge]

Oka

[rose scarab]

I’m ranked silver and not willing to risk using a subpar computer

[rose scarab]

How do I farm steals in QC

[onyx forge]

Stay with your team what clas do u pkay

Class* play*

[main pike]

I’ll like customize weapons accessories like Warzone, what you think about that?

[rose scarab]

They said Heavy is best for steals

[onyx forge]

I can confirm

[wise briar]

New gadget idea: Overclock grenade ( specialization )
Description: When hit on allies, boosts attack speed, reload and movement for a few seconds.

[arctic fog]

That's go crazy on m11

[clever temple]

guys any predictions for the season 3 weapons? feel like its gonna be:

Heavy - deagle
medium - some sort of high power dmr
light - ump 45

would love to hear what other people think is gonna come to season 3

[wise briar]

Thats why its a specialization and not a normal gadget

[arctic fog]

Good point. It should probably have a pretty short cooldown, maybe 15 seconds, since it doesn't last very long.

[nocturne walrus]

sounds like a Finka boost(Siege) and Ballistic abilities for apex

[wise briar]

Would it be better or worse if enemies would also receive that buff when hit?

[floral agate]

Aps gotta be nerfed hard

[dull solar]

I hate aps when playing power shift almost worse than the light snipers in the mode

[floral agate]

@dull solar its even worse in cashouts or Quick cash i tryed pushing a guy on a catwalk once with a rocket launcher was sure i coud get em aps had no range guess what the APS can shoot you even if your below it no rocket launcher or Grenade can help you witch leaves you with 1 option and that is to shoot at it and waste precious ammo

[dull solar]

I’ve had problems with it sometimes in cash out as well but power shift is where it’s just insane, I feel like aps needs a range nerf or something cause going against one or two of those things is hell on earth when trying to use gadgets to create openings or kills

[floral agate]

One solution woud maybe be a reload system for it where it needs to be manually reloaded with ammo similar to when your stealing cashout not only woud it make the fight fairer it woud also force the oponents to play defencively as they are a man down

[brazen barn]

Let's nerf the turret guys no one asked it too be a secondary weapon it should support not be able to get kills on its own as easy as it does

[floral agate]

Turrets arent as bad as the aps

[dull solar]

Yeah like a cooldown effect I agree with that instead of it being instantaneous

[brazen barn]

I very much agree

[floral agate]

Now that you mention it glitch Grenades coud actually be improved where they disable the aps or turrets they are machinery right and they already disable shields

[dull solar]

Turrets aren’t problems for me until there is more than 1 of them then it’s a problem the turrets tracking and dps is a little to good when there is multiple of them

[dull solar]

I know if I have problems with turrets and I’m playing medium I’ll run data reshaper cause it’s just easy but I actually now that I think about it haven’t tried reshaping an aps turret

I don’t run light very often due to the class being so weak but glitch nades still seemed very weak last time I put them in my load out

[brazen barn]

Yea the glitch grenades are weak cos the aps destroys them which I'd honestly the main reason I'd use them too

[floral agate]

It works but the problem is the cooldown so you woud need your team close to you to cover you so you can get close

[dull solar]

Yeah that should be changed in the near future to allow light to have more effectiveness in team play cause disabling those things would be a god send

[dull solar]

Ah yeah Idk about the team part the cause most of the time I’m soloq and usually can’t rely on teammates all too much tbf

[floral agate]

I have to agree they need a major buff rn they are only effective for disableing dome shields and heavy shields witch lets admit are garbage at this point if you coud increase the shields health and nerf turrets so they coud require a reload but make the glitch Grenade disable them instantaniously light woud be such a great and viable class to have as support

[dull solar]

Yeah light in the way it is right now is not viable really there is just too much counterplay, I had a problem with the stun guns but after the nerf I’ve been mopping them up every game Just cause i can ads when stunned

After that light really just has no way of catching you off guard unless it’s a very skilled player who knows how to flank effectively and get kills before their seen

The beta light was crazy tho 💀 i remember running cloak and shotgun

[cinder hemlock]

I don't consider myself "very skilled" but I don't consider it overly difficult to get an angle to get the drop on people. The stun gun shouldn't ever have been about getting 1 v 1 picks. I actually don't mind the ADS change, I think it was a good way of making the stun less effective in Casual modes without bothering Ranked too much. What they SHOULDN'T have done is stop it disabling gadgets/specialities. That just completely took away it's tactical uses in Ranked where Light is already struggling.

[last ivy]

i'm in a power shift match and we're all lights, good luck to me

[dull solar]

Yeah understandable imo I wouldn’t ever have picked light in ranked even before the stun nerf, in all the hours I’ve played the game for I haven’t really had problems with light, atleast in the release version of the game the beta light was a pain to deal with ngl

[dull solar]

It’s either about to be a very bad game or a very good game

Depending on the opponents 😂

And I only said “very skilled” light players because the majority of light mains are people atleast in my experience of playing are total shit and think they are playing call of duty

[cinder hemlock]

It's funny you should mention COD players though because I think a LOT of the moaning and complaining about Lights, in particular cloak and stun, come from players that think it's Call of Duty, run around on their own away from their team to try and get kills and then pull the surprised Pikachu face when they die. Light is supposed to be a glass cannon and when a glass cannon gets the drop on you alone then you're always going to be down a lot of health before the fight even starts. That's the whole point. The single best counter to Light has always been and will always be stacking up with your team and playing together. This is a team game, it wasn't designed and balanced for people to run off alone and farm kills. That doesn't mean you can't, it's a sandbox, do what you want. But we shouldn't be taking the QQ seriously of people that do that. Unfortunately they're some of the most vocal people on social media and I do think they've been allowed to dictate too many balancing decisions this season because frankly Embark aren't in a strong enough position with the player count to tell these people to shush.

[wind chasm]

can we stop bringing this stupid COD arguement into everything? Just because someone has an opinion doesnt mean they want the game to be COD, it's gets old.

oh u want to balance heavy, go play COD!111!

[cinder hemlock]

🤨

[wind chasm]

im not even attacking your point, im just saying that thinking everyone is a COD players because they have opinions is just stupid

[dull solar]

Yeah, it has to be those type of players because when I get light randoms they almost never play with the team and they are playing like it’s mw2 trying to rack up a 25 kill streak for a nuke it leaves me and usually the friend I play with to just duo which doesn’t work against people actually playing as a comp and playing the objectives right, it’s just the curse of it being an fps though I guess

[dull solar]

💀

[wind chasm]

I've seen so many people say it, it's just so old at this point and it's a lie. Not everyone who thinks light is underperforming is a cod player lol

[cinder hemlock]

Fine. Let me rephrase: "This is an objective based team game, it's not balanced around 1 v 1 encounters like <Insert Generic Popular Death Match Shooter Here> and people need to get their heads around that before complaining."

[wind chasm]

It's just pointless to even make the comparison, 1v1s are essential even in any shooter. You're telling me in a 1v1 situation with a heavy and light left on the teams, the light has the upperhand?

every game has 1v1 situations, even in team games...

[cinder hemlock]

... You do realise I was defending the Light class, right?

Did you even read that part or did you just fly off the second you saw "COD"?

[wind chasm]

like I said i am not attacking your arguement

[last ivy]

leaf name and whitename stop talking bruh it's annoying

[wind chasm]

which maybe YOU didnt read that lol. im saying stop thinkning everyone wants to balance things from their old game

[last ivy]

arguing is stupid and a waste of your thinking

[wind chasm]

im not arguing at all lol I just made a statement but sure

[last ivy]

someone disagrees? ignore them lmao

[dull solar]

Lmao 😂

[wind chasm]

cod players are ruining the game lul

[glacial ibex]

we need a virtual extension skin for the fcar and RPG-7

[dull solar]

All in all light class is just the weakest link and the class has never really encouraged actual team play like the purpose of the game is because 90-95 percent of lights I’ve seen with over 500 hours of playtime are just running around fishing for kills instead of playing the obj and around their teams, the day that light actually becomes viable is when players learn how to play it correctly

[glacial ibex]

😭

[dull solar]

Light is just honestly a meme class atp

[last ivy]

aw man terminal attack ends tomorrow

[last ivy]

i thought light is supposed to be fishing for kills, and it significantly helps the team since the sword n dash is the cause of most team wipes (speaking from experience)

[dull solar]

It does massive rip

[dull solar]

Counterintuitive when they are across the map not with their team in a team based game which 9 times out of 10 results in them dying then they go to complain that the team “isn’t helping”

[last ivy]

a balisong skin for the dagger because most games have it

[dull solar]

nana

[glacial ibex]

yaaaaaaaaaa

[last ivy]

is there a way to get free multibucks besides the battle pass? i'm desperate i need 25 right nowwwww

[plucky lance]

ggg

[twin violet]

I think that what you say is just bad lights, but it cant be an argument for the class being weak. What you say i also experience in Quickplay but i havent seen a light doing that in ranked

[dull solar]

I’ve seen it in both ranked and unranked idk the likes of people I get teamed up with but light teammates are just consistent at not playing their class correctly or other team comps just being to strong and outclassing the light cause usually it’s just MMH or HHM, light is far from meta and it is the weakest class without a doubt

[fickle radish]

Cause most of the people thinks that light is a class that should flank and take random 1v1s the whole time.
Being useful for the team as a light is really hard, you really have to stick with them and learn how to follow your teammates. But most of them rather prefere go get random kills and die alone.

The team can't follow the light, is the light that should follow the team

[dull solar]

Exactly couldn’t have worded it better myself

I just see it as there isn’t much place for the average light player in the current meta of the game but not saying there isn’t some people who run light in the current meta who dominate but those are the light players who stick with the team and don’t take stupid 1v1s that they would never win

[fickle radish]

Cause every other team comp is better than a comp with a light.
I know that a very good player can carry or at least being useful while playing a light, but that same good player would be way more useful playing another class on the current meta.

[dull solar]

Yeah that’s why I said I see no place for light in the games current meta because medium and heavy can do what light does just better

[haughty pier]

What is the best Melee weapon I’m new to the game could I get some tips and stuff

[fickle radish]

100%, current meta without including light is perfect. Tbh i'm fine with it cause i hate light class, but i would like to see anyway a good change on the little class, but it would be always a pain trying to balance it

[fickle radish]

i wuould say that the best 2 are lights sword and heavyes hammer

[dull solar]

Yeah I feel that hate for light class too they were a problem for me in the earlier days of the game when the class was way stronger, I’m at peace with light not being as viable because I find the games more fun without lights because there is much more action and fights happening rather than lights just running around like chickens with their heads cut off

Beta lights were 🤮 I hated them so much back then

[fickle radish]

I just don't like it cause I think that is a class that was put into the game only to attract people cause of

Yeah matches against heavies and mediums are way more longer and fun, ttk is higher ecc

[dull solar]

Lmao yeah people have to do their fancy shmoovement before they die as a light because of the horrendous health pool

The game would be way better if light class just wasn’t a thing in general

Hot take probably that would get light mains infuriated but 🤷‍♂️

[fickle radish]

i would have preferred like 2 medium classes with different roles, like medium support and medium dmg. Makes way more sense to me. I think that flanker classes work more on games like overwatch or paladins that are more on rails with forced routes ecc, on a game so free like the finals they are always going to be a pain to balance

[dull solar]

Yeah my experience with team games mainly comes from paladins and overwatch (a tiny bit of team fortress 2 aswell) and the finals within its maps design isn’t built for flank type classes a lot of the maps have vast open areas of closed structures that encourage teams to fight very close, the light class needed crutches like the stun gun and the cloak to survive in those map environments but they’ve nerfed both into the ground and its for a lack of better terms just shit

150 health vs a MMH or HHM comp that sticks together in formation the entire match a light player will never kill

Unless the comp is just not that good at dealing with lights and still gets bamboozled by them dashing around or cloaking right in front of them

[fickle radish]

the problem is that if you buff light to help him surviving on that enviroment you end up falling back into meta light that was the most annoying thing ever. There is no way to balance it without making him useful or op, also the middle ground (like it is rn) wouldnt be good cause it would be outclassed anyway by other comps. The only fix i can see is a huge rework of the whole third class

[dull solar]

Yeah I agree and I do not want to meet meta light again no way 😭 😭 I almost quit playing because of that crap, lights can still get on my nerves tho like when that challenge came out to deal 3k dmg from 75 meters power shift was full of sniper lights and that shit is easily countered by heavy damage mitigation but Jesus Christ it was like D Day

[fickle radish]

please dont talk about snipers, i dont want to get into another 2000msg long conversation again lol

[dull solar]

Lmao 😂 believe me I can’t even get started rn im fuckin sleep deprived it’s the last thing my brain wants to think about

[fickle radish]

glad to hear that lol

[hoary coral]

Whats a good sniper loudout?

[fickle radish]

Actually almost everything is viable for camping on a crane

[fleet brook]

Stun was objectively bad it was a gun check for the most part

And if it was combined with dash well gg for any heavy

Oh yeah and if a mediums was running revolver they'd die

[hoary coral]

Real

[carmine elm]

Grappling hook,glitch and frag grenade and some recon, have a other GUN as reserve in case fights are indoors

[rose scarab]

We need health packs so I can plant land mines

[shut falcon]

cn i help me

[exotic skiff]

Light was never that strong, in paper good player vs good player light lose almost Every 1v1

Light beeing good and not trash like rn make the game composition more skillfull

HLM is the hardest comp to play

If you struggled against light that was more a skill issue than anything else

The 1v1 Use to be very skill based and WE were able to see the skill disparity between player

[fleet brook]

Shotgun used to two shot but if you were fast enough basically one shot

Like everything there was no skill there as someone who played it though the only skill required was getting within two tap range

And better invis and older stun gun made that easier

[exotic skiff]

Light shotguns still two shoot medium and one shot light

But anyway this shotguns was never better than XP or lh1 because lack of range and consistency

[fleet brook]

Far less reliable it's still one of my favorite guns but yeah

[exotic skiff]

Invis and stungun was never a problem, you Can see a light Moving AT 20m and even if you were stun you would win half of the dual if you know how to aim properly

Invis make sound as well, it's just good against Bad player (casual)

[fleet brook]

I'm just saying it wasn't really a skill expressive match even for me because I could just get in range and take the person out super quick

And even if you're grouped up trading a light for a heavy is a really good trade

[exotic skiff]

Against good people you would die before getting close, or they would know you are closing the game and would prefire

Anyway XP and lh1 Always have been the best guns for light overall because of the ttk and the stupid range

But with only 150 HP you melt under pretty much every weapons

[fleet brook]

If you're smart and don't just invis in someone's face and use it to flank while they were doing or setting up something else then they'd be distracted the entire point of invis I don't understand why people thought you could just invis in front of people and get away or just invis and run behind someone for a free kill

And stun gun was to restrict movement and charge slam for heavies

[exotic skiff]

In high comp/elo light never was a problem and only a few player make it work against actual talented player

[exotic skiff]

Even some flank are predicable, light was a glasscanon and very hard to play in good lobby but rn it's just Bad

[fleet brook]

Only a few players are really good at nurse in pubs she's usually terrible (dbd reference)

And a shotgun that could eliminate you or just be used for brain dead trades was a problem

[exotic skiff]

Light seems good because it's easy against Bad player

[fleet brook]

I made it work then I make it work now idk what to tell people and if people are playing super close I switch to LH1

[exotic skiff]

You Can make it work with everything because 99% of player are Bad tbh

But only balancing around full casual IS stupid in my opinion

And if people struggled against light that more a skill issue than anything else

[fleet brook]

Also lights whole motive is flanking/ getting the drop on players and choosing your engagements people forget that last part but lights weapons besides like 3 assume you have the drop on your enemy

Light is also a weapons check slower firing weapons hurt to fight light with you can it's just gonna suck

[exotic skiff]

Light dont need to flank all the Time, Glitch pad rpg is what make you win a fight pretty easily

[exotic skiff]

All the good weapons melt light wdym

[fleet brook]

No slow firing weapon is currently a good weapon

[exotic skiff]

Wdym by slow firing weapons ??

[fleet brook]

I'm saying people play light too aggressively and just assume they should win every brain dead rush they do

You can see an enemy's HP and if you've encountered them before there weapon choosing how and when you commit to fights is an important skill to help you stop dying also having a good weapon to swap to if you die

And by slow firing weapons I mean low fire rate

Low fire rate vs an enemy who's small and fast is usually bad

[exotic skiff]

AK, fcar, Lewis, m60, sas are very good against light . But anyways the debate was over light beeing a problem before and that was not the case. Every weapons I named above have a insane ttk against light. People who cried about it are just Bad player tbf (I dont even main light I play medium/heavy)

[vague monolith]

Nah for real anytime a light gets a kill on you it's 100% deserved. It's almost required for you to fuck up for light to get you

[fleet brook]

Heavys grenade launcher

Projectiles honestly

KS-23 2-3 shots but it's slow clunky and most of your clip goes to a single wall destruction

The revolver

Going to a slightly faster teir the mediums shotgun

Light doesn't really have slow weapons other than throwing knives/ sniper

[exotic skiff]

tbf those are terrible weapons anyway who rlly care

[fleet brook]

Well sniper is good but yeah slow fire rate weapons or weapons with a high reload time

Also most Melee is bad vs light

[exotic skiff]

sniper is not good compare to other rlly good weapons

[arctic fog]

I used KS for the first time this weekend and it's actually not bad

[sand monolith]

1887?

[fleet brook]

I use it it's not bad but I wouldn't recommend it

[leaden crest]

Only reason I struggle against lights is because they can go invisible and they produce no audio in a full sprint so they just sneak up and shoot you in the back.

[leaden crest]

they should at least make it so lights have footsteps too

heavy with goo gun and flamethrower is a pretty good build actually.

[sand monolith]

Invis is incredibly loud what

Invis running is louder than running normally

[leaden crest]

when they go invis it makes sound after that there is no audio unless they jump froma ledge or something

[sand monolith]

there is audio the entire time they are moving

[leaden crest]

lights dont produce footsteps its always been that way

[sand monolith]

You can hear it yourself by going into shooting range with invis and running around

It’s not a footstep sound

[rose scarab]

QUICK CASH OR CASHOUT FOR FARMING STEALS WITH HEAVY

[errant remnant]

Prob quick cash cos plp are mostly worse

And it 3 teams on 1 cashout so more chaos so easier steal with a dome

[fickle radish]

Def

Or Just hope you get a couple of premades and get carried

[patent crypt]

i swear invis lights produce a constant glitchy buzzing noise even when they're standing still

[vague monolith]

Cashout doesn't really work as a mode outside of the context of a tournament, so instead of torturing yourself play quick cash

[patent crypt]

i can never get matches in cashout, queue times are insanely long compared to any other mode

ig nobody plays it

[obsidian nexus]

f lewi gun

[leaden crest]

lewis gun is probably the second best gun in the game what are you talking about?

Im trying light build with the v9s pistol, grappling hook, vanishing bomb, goo grenade, and breach charge.

[restive plover]

Not second best, the best. That's probably why he's saying it.

[leaden crest]

so is the meta team 2 heavies with lewis gun and one medium?

[restive plover]

Pretty much.

[leaden crest]

I think the AKM is top 3 weapons. I like it better than the fcar because of the magazine capacity

[manic agate]

does anyone even use smokes in this game? They are completely useless.

[dim onyx]

wym smokes make spotting invis crazy easy

[manic agate]

how? i actually did not know that

[dim onyx]

if theres a guy thats invis and he runs thru a smoke its like crazy obvious someone is there, something with the shadows makes it to where it makes light darker than anything around him, its pretty cool actually

idk if its like officially a mechanic, ive just noticed it the few times its happened

[manic agate]

i need to test this out. If its true that damm i have a reason to use smokes. Before some patch, they used to be okayish, but now the smokes barerly hide anyhing. I know implementing smokes is one of the most complex gameplay in the game because of the dynamic it has (CS2 smokes are very good example, valorant smokes are kind of the "cheap" way to go).

Also i know that smokes do hide the enemy health bar as well

[leaden crest]

@manic agate you can use smokes to put out fires, just like you can put out gas with a fire.

[restive plover]

Gyat

[manic agate]

@leaden crest thnx i feel so stupid not knowing this xD I already know CS2 does that, it did not cross my mind The Finals would do the same

[dim onyx]

yeah smokes r slept on imo, actually alot of light untility is i feel like

but @ me if u find out the speficics of invis smoke mechanics plz and thnk u ❤️

[manic agate]

i was curious and i dont see "smokes" mention a lot
thnx for the info @dim onyx
when i have time i will test it out

[leaden crest]

I like to stack gas cans next to the cashout and shoot one every once and a while to keep it covered. fire grenades are kinda rare but they ruin that strat

[manic agate]

gas cans are way more OP. I think they stay longer than fire? (although fire spreads)

[leaden crest]

yeah they saty for a long time

[dim onyx]

i need to run pyro nade more, i love destroying goo

[leaden crest]

goo is so slept on im trying to run it on my light class now

[manic agate]

have you guys noticed as well that in powershift in stadium map, if the platform is underneath the grass area, and that area is on fire, somehow you get caught on the fire as well if you are IN the platform?

[leaden crest]

is there a way to report the bug?

[manic agate]

#1201841543926005810

[dim onyx]

i want to get good w goo gun, the amount of times ive been goo'd in place and await my execution has shown me that goo is insano

[manic agate]

i feel conflicted about the goo overall. The bugs it has make it incosistent design so I am not sure if the goo is supposed to push you or to make you stuck. Even if you get stuck in the goo, sometimes you enter in a glitched state that also make it less likely for you to destroy goo. Overall its dynamics are all over the place because of the bugs

[urban dragon]

i either slap with the goo gun, or i miss every shot...i have yet to have a game where im inbetween lol

[sweet thistle]

i feel whenever I use goo with sword I tend to throw it too short and I get stuck in it

[dim onyx]

yeah goo is crazy inconsistent, that's honestly probably y i don't run goo gun lol. charge n slam is literally just too good

[manic agate]

jump pad (on angled surface) + charge n slam = canon ball

[leaden crest]

I actually have a heavy class with goo gun and flamethrower and it works very well

is there a way to cover the cashout with goo so they cant get to it easily?

[manic agate]

i think with gravity gun and goo gun you can do some crazy stuff

idk if it has been patched but before there was a bug that could make the cashout go to the orbit with goo gun + gravity gun combo xD

[leaden crest]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ug6fgSXWtc video is kinda old but this is a realistic use of goo. you can use it to make a bridge, and climb walls

[fleet brook]

Also flamethrower

[silver wave]

[dim onyx]

dude me and another heavy just sniped eachothers rocket out of the air

this game is so fucking goated 4 that

[south knoll]

Was AKM nerfed?

[dim onyx]

nah

[tidal sentinel]

They should add mini mines for light class
,you get 4 to please down
, each mine does low damage
, the maxima you can place down is 5
,idn just my opinion

[dim onyx]

me and the homie were thinking ab a flare gun that marks enemies and does incendiary. kinda like the tracking dart but does damage

[misty axle]

I'm p.sure that AKM is the gun they balanced the other ARs around.

[leaden crest]

Wait what about tracking mines

[leaden crest]

a trip mine that does a little damage and reveals the enemies location

[digital saddle]

how dare you forget the 5 damage the tracking dart does...

[torn mantle]

Makes the enemies trip and ragdoll down the stairs

[manic agate]

if the game had a map, the flare could be used to spot enemies. Now that i think about it, this game does not have a map xD

[dim onyx]

my fault

[crimson mica]

LFG Medium/heavy main.

[vague monolith]

okay hear me out

change the stun gun to flashing one guy, but keep the property where it halts cashouts

[acoustic creek]

Give Heavy a 50. Cal so we have sniping heavies

https://tenor.com/view/panda-cute-juice-gif-18359345

[lone pagoda]

I want something FG42-esque for Medium. Used a little like a DMR but can also do full auto with insane recoil

[runic thunder]

Its genuinely insane that the light is the only class with a sniper and they have lh1 too

i think the lh1 should move over to the medium and the heavy should get their own sniper

Light having the two best ranged options in the game is straight up bullying other classes

unless you're a dot with the fcar or revolver a medium can't really deal with the sniper your only chance is to dive them, and a heavy can only dive bc none of their guns have the range

[misty axle]

That's called the Motion Sensor on Heavy

[misty axle]

The sniper honestly isn't super great in ranked, but the LH1 is the theoretically the best gun in the game if you're landing headshots.
The FAMAS is better than the FCAR at range, but both are better than the AKM on a stat/damage point of view.

[sand monolith]

@last wing rpg is already op what are u on

[sand monolith]

Light needs range to play around the other classes without taking too much damage

Heavy is not meant to have a consistent range option

https://tenor.com/view/bait-fish-this-is-bait-gif-11212449

[fleet brook]

TBf light can just outrange the competition

[sand monolith]

Yes that’s the point

[fleet brook]

Never putting himself in danger in the first place

And unless you bring healing beam is just annoying that either killing you or picking off your health setting you up to die

And mediums are just screwed because they can't make their own cover

[last wing]

hide behind turret

[red dove]

So im confused the dagger aim assist

[last wing]

it active right before hit stage

and seem no longer work with dash

[red dove]

Ohhh so dash isnt really a good strat anymore?

[lone pagoda]

dematerialize goes crazy

[fleet brook]

Demat doesn't make cover???

[lone pagoda]

dissapear into the floor

or close up ur shooty hole in the wall

idk i just like it a lot

[last wing]

dash still has certain advantages, but cloak is more suitable for dagger today cuz you can use the sliding instead of the previous dashing

[restive plover]

Rpg dose more damage to self doesn't make any sense, they should balance it in a better way.

[last wing]

and its significant higher

[sand monolith]

It absolutely makes sense. Heavy has the most HP in the game and if you could just point the rpg at your feet and deal the same amount of damage, it would always be a good trade for the user

RPG already needs nerfs. No reason to get rid of that

[restive plover]

I said they should balance it in a better way if you read carefully, this is just lazy balance.

[sand monolith]

It’s not lazy balance it’s a good design decision

It adds risk

[last wing]

Is the reason why you are so angry that you were killed as a pig by RPG when you were playing light

[restive plover]

Yes, it is because you say so.

[sand monolith]

No it’s a good design decision because it objectively is. It adds risk and reward to pulling out the RPG. It’s a good step in the right direction to making the rpg balanced

[restive plover]

You described it very vividly. 🙂

[sand monolith]

No it is because the rpg is a very poorly designed gadget

Impact explosives don’t belong in the game

Unless their primary use is destruction

[last wing]

what about cl40

[sand monolith]

Cl40 is fine because you are actively sacrificing something for it. Your primary weapon slot.

There is 0 sacrifice to be made when choosing to use the rpg

You’re not committing to any playstyle by picking it either, unlike cl40

If rpg was a special it would be fine (kind of)

[restive plover]

After using jumppad should get a speed nurf, because there is no sacrifice according to your logic.

[sand monolith]

What? How is that even comparable

[last wing]

the sacrifice is numbers

it only have 1 shot

[sand monolith]

You only need 1 shot. The only reason fights don’t last long enough for the rpg to come back is because the rpg ends the fight early

[last wing]

and cd is longer than any other

[sand monolith]

That’s hardly a downside when the upside is a free kill. Most of your gadgets will not be used in 1 fight anyways

[restive plover]

Yes, you missed it, you need to wait a long time.

[last wing]

then defiber end fight later

[sand monolith]

If you honestly think there is any downside to using the RPG, you should try winning diamond ranked games without it on your team

[restive plover]

For real, RPG does more damage to self is just unrealistic when there are many realistic ways to balance it.

[last wing]

not every winning team have heavy

[sand monolith]

RPG is not only overpowered in terms of numbers but it’s poorly designed overall. It discourages people grouping up in a team based game

[last wing]

the game is not all about fight

[sand monolith]

Lmfao

[sand monolith]

I don’t think the game with portal grenades, anti gravity cubes, and aliens shooting at you from the sky is focusing on realism

[last wing]

group up is not the only option, or a weapon like a dagger wouldn't exist

[sand monolith]

Okay? The rpg still shuts down grouping up as an option entirely. That’s not good for 1 gadget

[last wing]

If all you do is stand in a line and shoot like a British lobsterman, you might not fit this game

[sand monolith]

If you need an rpg to get kills you might not fit this game

[restive plover]

Yes, the UFO stuff is for fun, they are not contradictory

[sand monolith]

Heavy players can’t understand that the team based shooter game is meant to be played as a team

Probably because the class is so op that you don’t need to play as a team

[last wing]

teamtard

Do you playing with your parents

[sand monolith]

Bronze 5 telling me rpg isn’t op when every team in diamond uses it

[last wing]

That's just because the other gadget suck

[restive plover]

Bronze 5 telling me rpg is op when not every team in diamond is using it.

[sand monolith]

Yeah, frags, mines, barricades, dome shields, and anti gravity are soooooooooo bad

[sand monolith]

Respectfully, you are like 13 years old

[restive plover]

Respectfully, you are like 5 years old

[sand monolith]

I don’t know if that’s true actually

[restive plover]

It's true, you're like 5 years old

[last wing]

none of this can open a wall

[sand monolith]

C4

If you’re using rpg to open walls you are probably bronze 20

[last wing]

none use c4 when it has the same length of CD

[sand monolith]

Not to mention, red canisters open walls

[restive plover]

Ok everyone knows c4 can open a wall, it's pointless to say it.

[last wing]

yes and you can always find a red barrel when you need

[sand monolith]

Yes you can

[restive plover]

Yes I can

[sand monolith]

Charge and slam opens walls and it’s a special

[restive plover]

Yes it's a special.

[sand monolith]

Charge and slam opens walls, does massive damage to teams, and still has more risk than rpg despite being a special lmao

Not to mention the fact that rpg is a counter to an entire class

[restive plover]

It's stupid that three light stay close.

[last wing]

Play light
Often killed by RPG
Diamond

You can only achieve two of the above three at the same time

[sand monolith]

Weird I’ve been diamond every season since the first closed beta over a year ago , main light, and die mainly to rpg…

And when I play heavy, I kill every light I see with rpg

It’s almost like the thing doing 140 damage to the class with 150hp might just be good against it

[last wing]

Let me guess. You complained about nuke a month ago

[sand monolith]

Oh you think nukes were balanced ok nvm you’re just a quick cash player

Enjoy your opinions there is no changing them

[restive plover]

Of course nuke is not balanced, it's not what he meant.

[last wing]

play from Beta test
main light
can not think of a way to deal with the heavy

Have you considered going to the psychiatric department?

[sand monolith]

There are ways to deal with heavy as light. Assuming the heavy misses their rpg

[last wing]

You used to be killed by nuke as pigs, now you are killed by RPG as pigs. You will always have something to complain in the future😁

[sand monolith]

No I just play heavy instead and get 20 kills with my brain off

It’s literally that simple

[last wing]

Because you can never turn it on

[sand monolith]

-heavy main

[last wing]

That's the problem of you

[sand monolith]

Guys no trust me the 140 damage impact explosive gadget is actually balanced you just aren’t thinking hard enough!! Please remove its self damage I can’t stop shooting myself with it!!

[junior basin]

Honestly I wouldnt mind a 70-80 rpg with 2 stocks

But that probably causes its own problems

[sand monolith]

That would counter light even more

[last wing]

yeah its same

[sand monolith]

70 damage is still enough to force a light to leave. And there would be 2 charges

[last wing]

but ways better than deal more self damage

[restive plover]

No one says it's perfectly balanced, it's just it does more damage to self is lazy balance!!! FGS

[junior basin]

Im fine with the self damage honestly

[sand monolith]

You should not be able to reload the rpg until you have committed to shooting it. And it should do 80 damage with no fall off

[junior basin]

Not entirely sure I follow the wording on that

[sand monolith]

The rpg can’t be reloaded until you want to shoot it. So you would left click and then it would immediately reload and then shoot.

It would add risk as you are an open target while reloading

[junior basin]

I'll be honest that sounds awful

[last wing]

mom heavy is so op i gotta quit😫

[sand monolith]

RPG currently is awful to play against

[last wing]

Go ahead, no one care about you

[sand monolith]

You should have to put any amount of brainpower into deciding whether or not it’s a good idea to shoot

[junior basin]

Sure, but. I dont think anything else in the game has that kind of wind up

[restive plover]

No one says it's perfectly balanced, it's just it does more damage to self is lazy balance!!!

Do you remember why you started arguing at first ?

FJC

[junior basin]

And I get it, its a strong ability

[sand monolith]

The reload is not that long. Most people already forget to reload it and have to do so before shooting

It just gives people enough time to see the dude with the rpg and take cover

[junior basin]

Maybe it should get some kind of warning signal when pulled out similarly to how sniper has the lens flash (except earlier so you have time to react?)

[last wing]

-Most people
you mean same as your bronze rank?

[sand monolith]

Lens flare wouldn’t do anything the silhouette of the rpg is already embedded into the minds of every ranked player

There is just no time to react in the first place

[junior basin]

Rather than an always reload penalty, maybe just directly give it a wind up penalty?

[sand monolith]

Wdym

[junior basin]

Like. It just seems weird to be unable to reload it. So give it a slight delay before it launches.

[last wing]

that's the right way, give opponent a signal to make reaction

[sand monolith]

I guess but this arguably makes less sense from a realism perspective

[junior basin]

Like, maybe when the heavy switches to it, there's a bright red flash.

[restive plover]

It's better than does more damage to self.

[sand monolith]

The issue is that people just walk around with it already out

[last wing]

Mount a flashlight on the tip of the gun

[last wing]

the issue is your skill issue, try harder

[mellow lodge]

wait are people argueing that rpg is balanced?

[junior basin]

Im not thinking from a realism perspective, Im thinking from a feeling perspective. I'd rather have a delay than be unable to reload a shot.

[sand monolith]

Yes

[restive plover]

No one says it's perfectly balanced, it's just it does more damage to self is lazy balance.

[mellow lodge]

💀 ain't no way

[sand monolith]

As long as they both serve the same purpose it’s fine. But a delay at all would do wonders for the balance of the weapon

[last wing]

what about delete RPG

[sand monolith]

Dude it’s a heavy main and the guy that unironically thinks every class should be able to carry 2 weapons like there’s no rational thought here

[junior basin]

Heavy grenade launcher would just be literally broken if I could have 2 weapons

[sand monolith]

RPG as a whole reeks of an idea the devs had very early in development before they had any of the core game mechanics finished

[restive plover]

Add a small delay before launch is way better than more damage to self.

[sand monolith]

Having both is great. Generally, shooting an rpg down at your feet should be discouraged

[junior basin]

I do think it should have significant self damage as a way of discouraging a certain flowchart of actions

[restive plover]

It's discouraged with or without more damage to self.

[sand monolith]

No it’s not. Heavy has the most HP in the game. If you shoot at your feet to hit the person right next to you then it would always be a positive trade for you

This would leave you with 260HP and a light with 10HP

[restive plover]

It becomes clear now Trent wants to delete PRG.

[junior basin]

No.

[sand monolith]

For pointing downwards and left clicking

[sand monolith]

Heavy players when their class is actually balanced

[zealous birch]

Why tf would you be on top of heavy as a non heavy?

[mellow lodge]

rpg balance - make it deal 80 damage, faster cooldown, allow for rocket jumping, boom now it;s fun and not cancer

[junior basin]

Deleting the rpg would be a bad take. I say leave the self damage as is, add a bit of a delay with maybe a sort of flash to the initial release.

[junior basin]

I do think this would cause problems with charge and slam and that adds additional balance concerns

[sand monolith]

Imo heavy should not have access to movement like that

[junior basin]

Also that too

[sand monolith]

Heavy’s lack of verticality is the best way to kill it as a light

[junior basin]

Heavies identity should be the close range defensive powerhouse character

[sand monolith]

Yes absolutely

Having high DPS close range is justified by being slower

[junior basin]

With only some exceptions (grenade launcher)

[sand monolith]

Grenade launcher is cool because it’s long range but extremely committal

[zealous birch]

Which is why when using heavy’s kit at close range shouldn’t punish the heavy

[junior basin]

Grenade launcher is moreso medium range imo

[sand monolith]

Yeah depends on your positioning I guess

[restive plover]

Yes, good point.

[zealous birch]

Even if rpg broken

[sand monolith]

It is not that hard to not shoot at your feet with the rpg

[junior basin]

Using a 140 damage instant should damage you. And yeah you can just aim a little further out

[restive plover]

It's not that hard to dodge RPG.

[junior basin]

Nah its hard to dodge it.

[last wing]

did you actually ever played rpg

[restive plover]

You are really bad at playing light.

[zealous birch]

Why would you be near a heavy? Unless he got on top of you, in which case you need to be good enough to outmaneuver the slowest class

Bronze reaction !!!

[sand monolith]

Yes I use it all the time. Brainless gadget

[last wing]

Your adjectives are quite suitable for you

[zealous birch]

It’s not that deep

[sand monolith]

Because plenty of fights take place in close range. At objectives

[restive plover]

Stop lying, you are a light player.

[last wing]

Do you know what explosives are

[sand monolith]

OOOOOO NOT THE MIDDLE SCHOOL BURN

[zealous birch]

Heavy is meant for those fights, I don’t think that’s a bad thing. Heavy is better in some locations than others

[sand monolith]

Yes. And heavy would still be insanely good for those fights if rpg didn’t exist entirely

[restive plover]

Trent thinks heavy should be bad in any range.

[zealous birch]

I noticed

[sand monolith]

In closed beta, heavy did not have extra self damage on rpg. And it was terrible

[last wing]

It's a waste of time to talk to him. This guy doesn't understand how the game works

[zealous birch]

Use breaches and tactical doohikies to expose heavy from long range

[sand monolith]

This has literally already been tested and was terrible for balance

[junior basin]

Yeah I dont really get why people want the self damage change gone it seems fine to me

[zealous birch]

You just gotta understand how different classes should be used

[sand monolith]

Because bronze 20 players can’t comprehend not shooting the floor with an rpg

[restive plover]

He is very bad at playing light.

[zealous birch]

Heavy supposed to be close range, punishing close range combat on heavy makes no sense

[sand monolith]

RPG is still used close range.

[zealous birch]

If my opinion isn’t right then everybody ever is bronze tbh

[junior basin]

Heavies other tools are already close range, rpg should fill a further out niche for burst damage

[restive plover]

Then why punish it's user?😅

[sand monolith]

Just because heavy is close range does not mean it should have 0 restrictions on close range damage

[zealous birch]

Real

[last wing]

For RPG user, the scope of the explosion will be larger. That is to say, when the enemy is gilded, you can't take it out at all

[sand monolith]

Oh god… thought being put into when to use the gadget…..

[zealous birch]

Why?

[junior basin]

gilded?

[last wing]

closed

[sand monolith]

For balance? Shooting your feet with the rpg should never be a viable strategy. That’s brainless

When it was a viable strategy in closed beta, nobody liked it

[last wing]

It's like if someone comes and hits you with a sword. There is no way to use RPG

[restive plover]

For now, heavy is only good at short range, let's not keep nurfing it.

[mellow lodge]

are you dumb?

[sand monolith]

Yes

[zealous birch]

If you are in close combat I would say dealing area damage to people close to you is viable

[restive plover]

Get some education kiddo.

[mellow lodge]

heavy is good at every single range wtf are you on about?

[sand monolith]

Heavy has a million other tools for dealing damage close up

[zealous birch]

Shooting at their feet isn’t what they’re doin

[sand monolith]

It literally was exactly what happened before they added extra self damage

[junior basin]

oh close. Yeah, Im not to sure on that one. Ive seen clips of people shooting relatively close and not dying. And it doesnt seem too hard to play around the self damage?

[sand monolith]

No these people just can’t aim

I can’t remember the last time I blew myself up with rpg

[junior basin]

Like, if someone pulls up with sword im sure most people would just shoot them, and if they're stuck with the rpg out, they would maybe try to get the sword light to overextend with a superlunge to make space

[zealous birch]

That’s just punishing someone for attempting close combat with the strongest close combat class

[sand monolith]

You should still have to put thought and skill into close range combat as heavy

[last wing]

when the RPG direct hit an enemy 1m away it deal 140 to him and 252 to you

[restive plover]

You just can't STAY AWAY FROM RPG and keep getting killed by RPG.

[sand monolith]

Good

[sand monolith]

[zealous birch]

The skill is that you understand close combat and the use of the rpg

[junior basin]

Also... How does the rpg stack up to the other options, frag grenades and explosive mines

[sand monolith]

Dude pointing down and left clicking is not skill

[zealous birch]

Bronze reaction !!!

[junior basin]

Because Im pretty sure those do similar damage right? 150 frags, forgot the damage on mines because I dont usually use them

[zealous birch]

You know when to do it, obvious oversimplification

[last wing]

The activation time of both grenades and mines is too slow

[zealous birch]

A lot more factors that you aren’t thinking about. Bronze reaction !!!

[sand monolith]

Heavy has 2 mandatory gadgets for ranked. Dome and RPG. Frags don’t stack up to rpg and will never replace the rpg

[last wing]

Heavy has the longest reload time

And the slowest moving speed
That is to say, it is impossible to fight after avoiding

[junior basin]

Exactly. They are slower. So rpg should have a different trade off in close range

[sand monolith]

That’s literally not true I played the game when there was no self damage bonus and it was a very viable strategy to point down and left click with rpg

[zealous birch]

At all times? The entire game was people not moving and shooting their feet at random times?

[sand monolith]

Holy non argument

[river tinsel]

I do like the idea of giving the heavy back 2 charges for the rpg and just having it deal 70 damage. Let it be more of a hole maker

[junior basin]

I kinda like this as well to be honest. But that might be personal playstyle bias.

[lone pagoda]

give the rpg a priming distance

[sand monolith]

No that would make too much sense don’t do that

[zealous birch]

It’s easier than other things and, it probably is angering to die to it , but there are plenty of ways to counter it.

[sand monolith]

There are also plenty of ways to not shoot the rpg at your feet

[zealous birch]

For example: not making the decision to go close combat with heavy

[junior basin]

Id also say that close range instant burst damage is charge and slams niche and the rpg shouldnt share it

[sand monolith]

Or ranged combat because it’s also good there

Or anywhere because heavy is just easily the best class in the game rn

[last wing]

which mean you can never carry the other two skills

[junior basin]

Which is fine.

[sand monolith]

It’s almost like a gadget shouldn’t be just as powerful as a special

You can also use the SA1216 for close range burst damage

[last wing]

Why do you keep talking about what you don't know

[sand monolith]

Bronze 20

[last wing]

You don't have to introduce yourself

[zealous birch]

I think you might need to get better at understanding close range combat. RPG on feet and the slam attack are both gonna do the same thing to you in the same situation

Bronze reaction !!!

[sand monolith]

Get this, one is a specialization and gives you time to react

Please understand the game before commenting on it

[mellow lodge]

yet one is a special that means you cannot take mesh shield

[sand monolith]

Dude you’re gonna confuse them if you make too much sense

[restive plover]

Give RPG a delay to launch. Then you get your reation time.

[junior basin]

I'd also say. I really dont want 2 heavies dropping on people during a cash out steal with rpg and annihilating them. There's enough ways to do that already

[junior basin]

We did mention this earlier yeah. It seems like a neat idea. Would make hitting rpg feel more satisfying too.

[mellow lodge]

didn't trent say that earlier and you guys cried about that idea?

[restive plover]

But Trent is too greedy.

[sand monolith]

Ignoring the glaring design flaw RPG already has of discouraging teamplay in a team based shooter, it is also completely OP in terms of stats and numbers

[zealous birch]

“Ermmm… I can’t understand you you’re speaking stupid language “ ahh reply. Let’s take a chill pill bud. The finals rpg doesn’t matter all that much on a larger scale

[sand monolith]

Wait true it’s only the best item period in ranked

I actually think a gadget should be stronger than any primary or specialization. That’s really balanced

[zealous birch]

I mean in real life man, just sayin you should calm down and not take a video game personally

[junior basin]

I dont think it entirely discourages teamplay, but it can be a bit strong when it comes to chokepoints and the like. I think the delay would be good because it gives an opportunity to put up shields or use mobility

[sand monolith]

It makes a lot of sense when you don’t think about it for very long at all

[sand monolith]

It discourages grouping up with your team because it will deal more damage

[restive plover]

Trent just won't stop.

[sand monolith]

I don’t think an off handed joke about rpg defenders being stupid is taking this very personally

[zealous birch]

He’s letting the Trent beast out 🥶🥶🥶

[junior basin]

I think grouping up too much should be discouraged anyways. Makes you weak to barrels and gas and such.

[sand monolith]

But I am sorry if I upset you :)

[sand monolith]

Those give you time to spread out before actually doing damage. Same with frags

[junior basin]

Which leads back to the delay idea.

[sand monolith]

Yes

[zealous birch]

I can tell you’re mad bout it, you should stay more focused to overplaying irrelevant points

[sand monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/timbersshivered-yikers-gif-23072365

[zealous birch]

No way 😭😭😭

[lone pagoda]

i hope they remove rpg but just for this guy

[sand monolith]

I am absolutely FUMING rn… you should see the look on my face

[zealous birch]

That’s crazy lol

[sand monolith]

I am just full of PURE RAGE!!!!

[junior basin]

I still dont get the arguement about the close range damage though.

[sand monolith]

It’s a stupid argument people just want the class to be even easier

[zealous birch]

Buff rpg, have it heat seeking

[sand monolith]

Heavy already requires the least amount of thought. Idk why people want even less, the class is so boring rn it practically plays itself

[junior basin]

Only if theres a light on the team with thermal vision on.

[sand monolith]

Light guided rpg

[zealous birch]

That was a lil jest

[junior basin]

Light guided rpg would be funny tbh

[sand monolith]

The light sits on top of the rocket and steers it

[restive plover]

Also give it a sniper scope, then Trent will quit this game.

[sand monolith]

Dude this guy hates me

I haven’t said a word to him for the past hour and he’s said my name like 50 times

[zealous birch]

Make sledgehammer viable and his finals career is over

[junior basin]

Let the light/medium teammates rocket ride (not heavy, they're too big and the rocket just flops over.)

[sand monolith]

Rocket riding would be funny

[junior basin]

It would honestly

Like, I cant shoot my enemy? Fine. Invis light on a rocket, go.

[restive plover]

If you stop talking you will save everyone a lot of time.

[sand monolith]

Anyways

[mellow lodge]

guys i think stun gun should deal 340 damage

[zealous birch]

Bronze reaction !!!

[sand monolith]

They should really remove range limitation of m11 I hate trade offs

[junior basin]

This shares the same niche as the goo grenade, I think it should do something else.

[zealous birch]

YOU BETTER TAKE OFF THAT BRONZE REACTION TRENT

[mellow lodge]

your right it should deal 400 damage

but like specififcalty only to a heavy

[sand monolith]

Stun used to stop the person from shooting but end the moment they took any damage

[junior basin]

Yeah! Then it will be much better at dealing with the 400 hp enemies in the pve mode.

[sand monolith]

And it was so much better to play with and against

[mellow lodge]

this man right here gets it

[restive plover]

They should hire you. Then they are doomed.

[sand monolith]

Closed beta stun my beloved

[mellow lodge]

guys cl 40 should deall 200 damage

[junior basin]

That sounds kinda fun actually. Like a little frustrating because of certain burst damage options/people running away isnt fun (if your brainless) but if it wasnt the full effects of stun like no sliding and only the shooting I think that would be alright.

[junior basin]

I think it should have an alt fire that shoots everything at once

[sand monolith]

If stun stopped the person from shooting and lasted like 1.5s with a 30s cooldown and less range it would be amazing

And ended the moment they took damage of course

Stun’s last purpose should be getting kills

[azure dawn]

what is this beef in here

[junior basin]

No shooting+no cashout would be fine

[sand monolith]

People said rpg was balanced

[mellow lodge]

people think rpg is balanced

[azure dawn]

what the helllllllll

[sand monolith]

It’s just heavy mains

[restive plover]

No one says it's perfectly balanced, it does more damage to self is lazy balance.

[junior basin]

Rpg is definately polarizing on the acount that it's near impossible to see a heavy build without it

[sand monolith]

The same people who said their class would be useless once nukes were gone

[azure dawn]

bro my most played class this season is heavy and RPG needs changes 😭

[mellow lodge]

[junior basin]

I dont see why. frags and mines are slow, so what does rpg trade for the speed? Self damage.

[sand monolith]

RPG is so insanely broken it’s not even funny. If rpg wasn’t in the game rn and someone suggested it, they would be laughed at

[zealous birch]

If you review my statements I never once said it was balanced I just don’t think restricting it’s close range ability on a close range class does anything good for the game

Tbh

[restive plover]

Add delay before launching.

[azure dawn]

Nah self dmg is fine, might even to be lowered if they did something like the change I was thinking of, which is waaaay less damage for multiple shots. I know that would make C4 even more irrelevant so that needs a buff too

[junior basin]

And that would still be much faster at a close range.

[sand monolith]

RPG self damage encourages using the rpg in smarter ways and actively gives it a risk and some sort of counterplay, although minimal

[restive plover]

Add more if you want.

[azure dawn]

Yeah, thing is, I couldn't tell you when I last hit myself with my own rocket while instakilling a light

[zealous birch]

Counterplay is not being that close to heavy

[restive plover]

You are truly a giant baby.

[junior basin]

Self damage also prevents people just dropping on people stealing the cashout and nuking them

[sand monolith]

Yes it literally never happens idk why these guys can’t aim

[junior basin]

Without some kind of risk

[sand monolith]

Ok wait we should give heavy a gadget that instant kills everything close up and the counterplay is just to not get close

Don’t ask what happens when the heavy sees a jump pad

[restive plover]

Stay away from rpg.

[zealous birch]

Doesn’t even insta kill I don’t even know what kinda stuff you’re talking about about

[junior basin]

I feel like "just avoid close range" argument is a bit reductive

[mellow lodge]

maybe you are the baby if a single emoji upsets you?

[junior basin]

Theres going to be times when you need to be in close range due to the objective based nature of the game

[zealous birch]

Tough to listen to somebody’s opinion when the are literally bronze reacting people

[restive plover]

So you are upset now.

[mellow lodge]

?

[azure dawn]

This is just a bunch of name calling are we gonna talk about RPG or which one of you is a baby

[restive plover]

Can you read?

[mellow lodge]

idk jacks the one talkin shit because he doesn't like it when people have opnions

[junior basin]

I want to talk about rpg but these guys don't honestly.

[zealous birch]

I just like spreading misinformation and internet drama 🥺

[azure dawn]

Oh ok. Carry on then

[restive plover]

This Colby always talking shit never says something useful.

[junior basin]

Then just. Ignore them? Dont get into close range with Colby.

(joke)

[restive plover]

Let's hope he will stop.

[zealous birch]

I didn’t have a strong opinion on rpg before this guy named Trent started bronze reacting to people that disagree with him. He seems like he just rages when he gets killed by a heavy tbh

In my opinion

[restive plover]

I'm disgusted by some people's hatred.

[lone pagoda]

the way i deal with sweaty heavy strategies is by exclusively doing quick play games and never ever playing ranked

[sand monolith]

Wait no I actually really enjoy playing heavy and turning my brain off and getting 20 kills per game

[junior basin]

Trent

[mellow lodge]

sending a single emoji = talking shit?

[azure dawn]

I don't think they mean it, maybe

[zealous birch]

I feel like that comment might be the result of some rage experienced after being killed by a heavy

[sand monolith]

No i am the one playing heavy. It is incredibly boring and the class plays itself

I don’t rage at video games I’m not 12

[zealous birch]

Just sounds like it, not trynna make you mad or anything, just maybe consider that your experiences as light contrast with those of other classes

[restive plover]

You are lying probably.

[sand monolith]

I play every class

[zealous birch]

You said earlier that you primarily play light. You know that your opinion is biased towards a light player

[mellow lodge]

i play medium and light due to heavy being quite boring

[zealous birch]

Unfortunately I have other very important jobs as the president of the United States of America and I cannot stay and repeatedly tell you how to counter heavy strays that you dislike

[sand monolith]

I main light. I would primarily play light in ranked if it wasn’t terrible.

https://medal.tv/u/Trenntt

You can check my clips on medal to see I primarily play heavy in ranked to get diamond for free

[mellow lodge]

good bye mr president

[azure dawn]

Mr. Joe Bimben can I have food I haven't eaten in 2 weeks because of your new ration bill

[azure dawn]

I don't remember Snake in Call of Gyutty

[sand monolith]

Buff rpg

[azure dawn]

Fr

[mellow lodge]

if the buff makes it deal 350 damage i support it

[sand monolith]

The biggest heavy nerf yet…

[azure dawn]

https://youtube.com/shorts/0Cb0h7UrIXc?si=LGMXsajszGGAW20y

[restive plover]

You're hopeless.

[mellow lodge]

just leave us to our opnion stop trying to start shit

[sand monolith]

He’s like 13 dw

Pfp and join date give it away

[restive plover]

Get some education.

[restive plover]

Sure you're proud to be old.

[fleet brook]

Is this supposed to be an own?

[azure dawn]

People in here are so eager to start fights

[fleet brook]

It's a shooter game discord

[azure dawn]

But like why though

[azure dawn]

Some places here aren't like this

[fleet brook]

"because my opinion is the objectively right opinion" also this place talks about balancing alot

[azure dawn]

Oh ok that makes sense

Mainly that last point because game feedback is a cesspit sometimes

Most of the time

[restive plover]

"be an own" what's that mean

[mellow lodge]

not as bad as game feedback at least thankfully

[junior basin]

Game feed back is awful. Even as someone who likes to try to give feedback I still probably contribute to it being awful lol.

[sinful dagger]

Holy jeepers that was an intense roast battle

Ngl jacks popped off with his crazy flames. Must've sent people crying to their mommy ha ha ha ha.

[halcyon narwhal]

For the contract 'Deal 2,500 damage to opponents with grenades', is it just frag grenades or can you use gas and fire?

[vocal thunder]

all grenades work

[halcyon narwhal]

thx

[crimson wedge]

I want a scalpel dagger skin cause I gotta play doctor and revive people as light to often on power shift

[analog meteor]

Can we buff the K23 by giving it proper ADS and more damage at range given it shoots slugs

[quaint cairn]

Can we never nerf anything that isn’t outright busted? This game has such limited skill expression the higher in skill you go and to alleviate that things should get buffed and counters should be emphasized. And no don’t put the counter on the same class as the problem. It just makes the problem more apparent. (Invis wasn’t an issue when med had sonars) also stop listening to people with like 45 minutes of playtime. They’re gonna complain cuz they suck and it’s not call of duty and even if it was they’d complain even more.

[cunning walrus]

Nerf heavy

[restive plover]

Why not buff light ?

[clever temple]

finally, he cooked

[cunning walrus]

Do both

🗣️🗣️

Why did they even nerf light in the first place ngl they unbalanced the game when they did just

[ivory flax]

I guess there will be no balance changes till season 3 but please buff ks-23 its such a cool skill gun but in its current state its just high risk no reward

[restive plover]

Make light weapons 200 dps, if you want, there is no need to nurf heavy .

[restive plover]

Actually, make it 400.

[cunning walrus]

Real 💀

[wary adder]

Yea definitely like I only used it in the Easter event and it was trash

[fleet brook]

(from someone who's been playing since beta)
Lights best options and utility were just seen as things that were really annoying and some of his guns could legitimately one tap /one shot you before you could react if he got in range also he had several beam lasers of an SMG this was seen as obviously problematic because the downside of low HP didn't really matter if all your enemies died immediately

So what people associated with light nearly instakilling your opponents was removed in a sort of death by a thousand cuts way only leaving light with annoying util to fight and since it was annoying that also received a death by a thousand cuts

And light just used to have straight up wall hacks as an option

Basically all of lights best weapons deleted you before you could process what happened and his worst ones sucked ass so they nerfed the best without buffing the worst

[hardy dust]

They already do ~250 dps, its just that light has so little hp they lose gunfights

[fleet brook]

You can argue this wasn't a problem because "lights were never meta" but that's because medium at the time had ungodly utility that kept them above a class that could insta delete you

Also a main complaint is light health but buffing lights health would break several weapons thresholds

[hardy dust]

Medium had recon, not light

[fleet brook]

My bad just woke up like 30 minutes ago

Everything else I said I feel was pretty spot on

[hardy dust]

Yeah, I definitely agree with you on most points

But I do find that the issue with light was less sheer offensive power and more that they're just really annoying to fight

[fleet brook]

That was my second point

God beta light was annoying to fight but so fun to play

[cunning walrus]

Skill issue no? I also played since beta

[vague monolith]

Buff everything to it's most busted state

[hardy dust]

I still think light was never the strongest class, M and H were always a cut above

[cunning walrus]

Rpg finna go crazy

[vague monolith]

Nukes RPG and from what my friend tells me beta lights

[fleet brook]

It wasn't a skill issue
Literally several parts of the game insta killed you

[cunning walrus]

Heavy was always the strongest class especially since lights can’t heal anyone only attack

[fleet brook]

I said mediums still stayed ontop through sheer bs utility

[cunning walrus]

It was dawg rpg could insta kill all lights

[fleet brook]

The meta was triple M for a time period

[cunning walrus]

Yes and still rn aswell

[hardy dust]

You could have peak light right now and I still think they wouldnt be as good M or H

[cunning walrus]

Agreed they should make the light like it was

[fleet brook]

The Ls next to your name is making me suspicious of y'all's takes ngl may be rose tinted glasses

[cunning walrus]

What

[fleet brook]

Negative confirmation bias wrong thing

[vague monolith]

The ai dragon in your pfp makes me question your intelligence

[cunning walrus]

Ur mad confusing

[hardy dust]

I mained heavy for a while

[restive plover]

Medium is the best class.

[cunning walrus]

I’ve mained light since beta

[hardy dust]

And I still like playing em

[fleet brook]

Not so and this was a burner account for the longest

[cunning walrus]

I find heavy way too slow for me

[restive plover]

No heavy can fight my medium

[vague monolith]

Okay I play nothing but heavy since launch and light has never been a problem

[fleet brook]

I play shotgun light since beta light is definitely in a rough state

[cunning walrus]

I’ve played light invis and sub machine since beta

[fleet brook]

You play the class that has exclusively been the counter to light since launch obviously you don't see it as a problem

[hardy dust]

I started with light in beta, switched to heavy halfway through (Nukes before they were cool) then when the official release I swapped between light and heavy until finally settling on light

[cunning walrus]

I hated nukes but now i can counter them

[cunning walrus]

Exactly

[vague monolith]

Even as medium they're not a problem

[cunning walrus]

BRO mediums ARE THE MOST BUFFED RN

[fleet brook]

I switched up my build I couldn't play heavy for the longest because of my solely light mainig but now sometimes I'll swap to heavy but I remember my most fun build was

Grapple shot gun

Grapple vanish shotgun

[vague monolith]

Like a really good light is about as hard to deal with as a pretty good heavy or a pretty good medium. Lights are blatantly underpowered and idk how you struggle with them so much

[hardy dust]

1. Medium

2. Heavy

3. Light
   L isn't even close to the others, but H and M are quite close in strength (M os def stronger tho)

[vague monolith]

And hammer heavy pre stun gun nerf was not a direct counter to light

[hardy dust]

Hammer was never good against light

[fleet brook]

This man has never been terrorized by a good light

[cunning walrus]

See i LOVE fast paced shit so i always played fast games and characters like tf2 and apex legends octane i CANNOT PLAY A SLOW CHARACTER with no movement

[vague monolith]

This man is always on discord and never playing

[fleet brook]

Light got death by a thousand cuts whilst the others traded nerfs for buffs

[cunning walrus]

Wdym it is with its reach

[vague monolith]

You are stupid and you shit up the chat

[hardy dust]

Which is never, if the light has a brain

[cunning walrus]

That’s true

[hardy dust]

Dash just full counters hammer, and light can just outrun it anyways

[cunning walrus]

Lmao but bullying heavys buy running around is funny ahh

[fleet brook]

I'm on discord because I'm in the hospital next to my grandma on my off days you turd

[cunning walrus]

I play invis only ngl i tried dash i just get carried away trying to untilize my dashes instead of playing the game

[fleet brook]

Dash is and was super fun

[hardy dust]

Invis used to be good, now I find it's just wayy too narrow in its usage

[cunning walrus]

Yeah but i ignore the game and only go for kills when i use it

[fleet brook]

I like grapple but dash shotgun got me killed more for trying to dash to much

[vague monolith]

Invis didn't deserve a single nerf it got, and tbh I thought it needed a buff a few patches ago

[cunning walrus]

Agreed it’s harder to play now but honestly it makes it more fun for me but in ranked B i wish i had a buff

[hardy dust]

Invis wasn't as much strong as it was annoying

[cunning walrus]

Ig

[fleet brook]

TBH my only problem is I wish light would've traded buffs for nerfs like every other class in the game

[hardy dust]

Too many casuals complained so it got nerfed

[cunning walrus]

What

[fleet brook]

Just described half of all "good" light utility

[hardy dust]

Yep

[vague monolith]

Ignore casuals and ignore elites

[hardy dust]

Find a good balance

[cunning walrus]

I mainly only play ranked i start with casual in the start to get used to it and then immediately hop on ranked after winning a casual

[hardy dust]

Same

[fleet brook]

During the beta and over the course of the game medium "traded" buffs for nerfs like defib got nerfed but there other utility got buffed to compensate (still waiting on a goddamn revolver buff) heavys rocket got nerfed but his guns were buffed over time

[hardy dust]

It goes from 75% L to 10% L

[fleet brook]

Basically death by a thousand cuts to light but the nerf version

[cunning walrus]

DUDE PLEASE LIGHT WAS NEVER THAT STRONG HEAVY HAS ALWAYS been the strongest

[hardy dust]

Defib and rpg are still the 2 best gadgets

[fleet brook]

I wasn't talking about strength in fact I was saying light should've been buffed instead of always nerfed can you read? I know us light mains have our brains ruined by Adderall but calm down

[cunning walrus]

Its hard to play light now Cause they got nerfed and the other classes have healing and support stuff

[fleet brook]

Always have been well healing beam is a contender

[vague monolith]

I kind of hate how useless C4 is now, it might as well just been removed with how they handled it

[cunning walrus]

Can you learn how to type???

[hardy dust]

Only gadgets, healing is prob best specialization

[fleet brook]

I don't think my message was that unclear but go off

[hardy dust]

Mesh (and charge now) are 2nd

[hardy dust]

Yeah it sucks how they overdid it. Same with stun and invis

[fleet brook]

I'd always take mesh over charge tbf and guardian turret has its place

[cunning walrus]

Yk what they should add an adrenaline syringe as a gadget for the light and it increases the movement and healing for abit

[fleet brook]

That feeling when you walk into a room and three current turn on you

[hardy dust]

Turret is better if you already have a heal

[cunning walrus]

Yeah

[vague monolith]

Stun is fucking useless now too. They keep over nerfing shit

[fleet brook]

Tbf turret is a pick if all your bases are clear

[cunning walrus]

Agreed they have smtg against it

[vague monolith]

I'm glad you don't see triple M anymore though that shit got old

[hardy dust]

Stun isn't useless, just not really worth running over other gadgets

[fleet brook]

I'd rather die then return to the only comp in ranked being 3M again

[pure pilot]

dghbq jikoprqæ

[cunning walrus]

I see it a lot still atleast in causuals

[cunning walrus]

Bro my ranked system is really messed up also it’s just confusing to understand

[fleet brook]

Triple M if they were on mics too was rage inducing

[hardy dust]

I usually see MMH or MHH but MMM is still kinda common

[vague monolith]

Like I found out I don't even hate APS I just hated 3 APS

[cunning walrus]

Agreed

[cunning walrus]

Nah aps is easy to counter as a light atleast

[hardy dust]

I hate aps, but 3 aps makes me hate 3 times more

[vague monolith]

It's just annoying to deal with when I want to play goo and grenade heavy

[hardy dust]

All my gadgets are nades and I run melee so it's pretty hard to deal with

[cunning walrus]

I just invis and run into the room and break all the aps’s

[hardy dust]

I usually throw a glitch just outside of the range to disable it

[vague monolith]

Yeah same nades are the most fun gadgets

[cunning walrus]

Fr

[vague monolith]

Smoke frag and sonar is my go to on light

[fleet brook]

Tbf my problem with triple M was you never killed one of them they'd immediately get back up or healed

[hardy dust]

I don't even run invis anymore it's not really worth it imo

[cunning walrus]

BUT I HATE THE FIRE DAMAGE CHALLENGE

[gray marsh]

dematerialize is literrally the best ab ig no lie

[cunning walrus]

I find it adrenaline inducing and hilarious when i hide above them

[cunning walrus]

YES FOR SURE it’s fun aswell

[hardy dust]

True, but I'd rather just run dash or another gadget

And I mainly play sword, so dash is required

[vague monolith]

Fire is better than I initially thought but you could never make me betray my frag grenade wife

[cunning walrus]

Yah but i don’t find those as helpful for cashouts

[hardy dust]

Well I can usually stay a bit further since I can travel really fast

Especially with sword

[vague monolith]

Grapple is super fun but I'm thinking of swapping to dash

[cunning walrus]

True