💣┇weapons-gadgets

[polar raven]

lh1 hipfire is terrible

[covert snow]

is it me or since s2 lh1 has random bullet dispersion even when ADS? It feels like shots dont go where expected, in s1 there was no issue at all

[rough carbon]

Should be an up close option with a massive spread

[worn smelt]

the lh1 is one of the guns in this game that does have bullet dispersion, so does the revolver

[covert snow]

I think they removed BD on revolver in one of the s1 patches, but lh1 remained untouched. cuz revolver is super precise compared to lh1

[worn smelt]

oh I didn't know they did that, I just remembered it having bd

[covert snow]

yeah in 1.5.5 you can read they decreased BD when ADS with revolver

[worn smelt]

oh cool. still will probably never use the revolver much, which is a shame tho, whenever you hit shots with it, its so satisfying

[main laurel]

Model 1887 is cracked (in my opinion) it's the most balanced weapon in the game if you take time to get good with it you can destroy but it takes time to learn

[vapid oar]

imagine hitting every shot with the new shotgun for heavy

[covert snow]

I grinded revolver to lvl 6 skin in s1, i agree it is sooo satisfying when you outlive your opponents, headshots are nasty and hipfire is super accurate also, almost no need to ads. I used to combine it with tracking dart for that extra 5 damage (made you save 1 bullet to kill anyone). But i did not touch it since s2, now that it has no range damage and tracking dart is gone

if you want to feel good about using revolver again, i suggest you watch ottr's latest video with the wooden revolver, it grew up on me to play it again

[rough carbon]

I think the slugs for the new shotgun could be a little bit bigger, it requires pixel perfect aim at long range

[teal solstice]

still bad

[slate quail]

It’s by far my favorite gun to use. I only recently started using it so I only use FCAR in ranked, but in every other mode it’s my main. such a fun gun, especially with the dough wrangler skin

[zinc kiln]

How much worse is it compared to FCAR? I realy wana use it but I don't wana get destroyed in ranked

[slate quail]

Not much tbh, but I’m a solo queue so I use FCAR for its versatility. I’d recommend getting used to it in power shift, cause it does have a pretty different play style compared to the ARs. You gotta use more cover and play more aggressively, but just time your shots well and it shreds

It also has pretty good range for a shotgun. Just aim center mass, shotguns don’t have a headshot multiplier

[zinc kiln]

I queue with friends who run sa1216 and FCAR would it be viable then?

[slate quail]

Oh yeah definitely, it’s always viable once you get good with it. It just isn’t the Swiss Army knife that the FCAR is simply because it’s not useful for long ranges, which makes it worse on some maps than others. I think its worst map is Seoul. If you want to get used to it, I’d say stick with your heavy since they’re also running a shotgun. Just try it out for a bit, if you don’t like it you can always switch back

[main laurel]

Yeah but it's also just a super good defense weapon you destroy people who try to take the cashout you run in two shot (or three shot if it's a heavy) whoever is standing still and the run out

[slate quail]

True, it shines the closer you are to the cashout

[zinc kiln]

Awsome, looking forward to using it once I get back from vacation

[frank portal]

@bright current https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19qVTE-FA3e__9sNpD5jLxNN_UgvdzcRjORXBkrP5yaQ/edit#gid=0 I think its an old date

[rough carbon]

I think the new slug shotgun should have a slightly larger projectile, right now it requires pixel perfect aim

At least for mid to long range targets

[heavy tusk]

I wish the projectile could penetrate thin cover like fences. It just feels weird that a slug shotgun can destroy thin cover with one shot, but that shot doesn't keep going

[rough carbon]

Ooh I like this. Very counterstrike wallbang

[dry latch]

Change stun gun from a offensive gadget to a defensive gadget, keeping its current attributes like the stun duration and cooldown, but make its effect end if the target is damaged, so this way lights can still use it to evade death and stop cashouts from being stolen, but no more free kills, since it's the only gadget right now that basically has no counters.

[slate quail]

Honestly that’s a decent idea, it’d keep the utility much better than some other suggestions. Haven’t heard that one before, I think it’d be interesting to see how that works

[frank portal]

@buoyant spade https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19qVTE-FA3e__9sNpD5jLxNN_UgvdzcRjORXBkrP5yaQ/edit#gid=0 I think its an old date

[rough carbon]

What if it was turned into a cattle prod sorta shock and we ditched the projectile so they gotta stand real close

[restive plover]

Apparently that's how it was in the beta, except it lasted twice as long.

[dry latch]

Honestly I don't even minde it being ranged. The real issue is that's impossible to counter and the duration is more than enough for a light to shred you. So making its effect last only while the target doesn't take damage, it retains its use but it stops being a guaranteed kill.

[heavy tusk]

just a thought, but what if you could mash movement to make the effect end sooner?

[dry latch]

Honestly I'm cool with that, since they would have to leave you there and move on. The issue is being unable to do anything and still getting shredded

[restive plover]

I mean you can hipfire them to death pretty easy.

[rough carbon]

I don't even use it that often but the inability to act is probably the worst part of it. If it was the inverse it might be more tolerable. Able to move but not shoot or use gadgets.

[dry latch]

Not when they're behind you with the M11. By the time you realize what's going on you're dead.

[restive plover]

If they already had the jump on you, you would probably die anyways. All they do by using the stun gun instead of shooting first is revealing themselves.

[heavy tusk]

it's almost a guaranteed death sentence if the target is using a melee weapon, and precision weapons are at a heavy disadvantage. Running the KS-23 against a cloak/taser light has been a struggle

[restive plover]

Melee is a different story though.

[heavy tusk]

more of an obituary than a story

[restive plover]

True.

[dry latch]

Exactly my point. Making the effect remain with the condition of the target not taking damage makes it a good way to defend objectives and evade encounters while giving the other side a chance to not be instantly obliterated

[timid sandal]

Should there be an increased delay for trophy system detection? I feel those make the “payload” a breeze to push

[rough carbon]

Maybe make taser switch you off your gun for one second while you take a tiny fragment of a stun

You can still use whatever gadgets

[slate quail]

If they’re not smart

[heavy tusk]

it would disincentivize lights from treating it like a tranquilizer dart too. I've seen way too many lights get overconfident and revert to slight strafing out in the open just because the target can't ADS, and damage ending the shock would make that more of a death sentence than it already is to begin with

[rancid cedar]

make sniperscope more accurate in mid air so i can 720degree quick scope somebody 🤪

[mighty hamlet]

buff the riot shield plz

[rough carbon]

Make it so you boogieboard it when you slide

[supple heath]

what’s the best gun for medium

[dull mural]

All are pretty even. Most top players will use FCAR or AK

[obsidian nexus]

when is the stungun finally getting a rework/nerf?

[sullen glacier]

Fcar

Revolver if you consistently headshot every shot

[obsidian nexus]

[lilac frost]

Guys what do you think about a soda can launcher it would shoot ospuze

[obsidian nexus]

lmao, that sounds kinda sick

[north junco]

As a Skin for the mgl that would be cool

[lilac frost]

Nah mlg is too fast shoting for can launcher

[north junco]

But you could have a can per cylinder and then reload it with a 6pack

[lilac frost]

Now thats pretty sick

I thougt about the heawy shotgun i wanted it to shoot ospuze as cans but that lmg idea is good too

[north junco]

I think the rounds of the shotgun might be a bit too small, but I do think a Skin for both the medium launcher and heavy launcher would be sick, could make a splash in impact as well

[lilac frost]

I didnt think about the rounds... what color is the drink yellow?

[sullen glacier]

They should make a disposable single use rocket launcher skin for the rpg

[rough carbon]

Horizontal speed gate would be a nice gadget.

[icy sparrow]

Make the new 4team cash out gun balance like it was at global launch where players had more health cause now it’s not fun getting beamed by 4 player’s different team.

💥I swear I have to tell u devs common sense stuff where ur balancing people honestly don’t know any better and have to go back and forth cause u people r amateurs,why do u have to wait for backlash?!
Like u can’t tell at this point medium grenade launcher don’t even have to hit lights directly but can 2 shot shooting near the legs also spammy to other classes,just hopping around corners and spamming grenades and annoying cloak that’s was not even made for this version of the game which has changed so much since launch.

Cloak invis got a buff in the visibility it’s almost impossible to see them now💀
It was made when players were tanky and had more health post global launch but now milliseconds smg melt and cloak don’t mix well.
U can have these silly things in a different game mode where players have more health.
Don’t be surprised when players leave cause I can’t play any matches and lights go invis cloak point blank and I can’t see.

Remove cloak and improve the grapple hook and improve the physics to swing and not pull u in a corner.

[lilac frost]

Man wrote a whole assay

[willow charm]

scar so bad now

[restive plover]

"The Rogues are unstoppable" 19 lbs of explosive says otherwise (RPG Rocket) lol

[brazen pendant]

Right as they created such a good skin too

[lapis fjord]

Whats the current meta for light in ranked? M11 or mp5

[worn smelt]

the mp5 is better bc it has good damage and pretty good range bc the scope. but the m11 is better in close range

m11 is best in the final round and on vegas

good to keep in your reserve

[slow crane]

cloak never got buffed
you can kill even stun gun lights with enough skill, especially on medium or heavy
it sounds to me like you're a salty little light that's getting beamed by people who are way better than you in ranked matches.
just saying, it's a little karen-y when you have to rant about something to try and get it changed. just play the game and get good at destroying tiny lights. there's gadgets where you can see invisibility. If you aren't using that (or god forbid haven't unlocked it) then i dont know what to say

[slow crane]

also trashing the devs is just crappy behavior, they're really trying man and they've listened to so much feedback, that's why they didn't take away bank it

[brazen pendant]

I agree. I can't think of another game where the devs actually cared. Especially for a free to play

[azure dawn]

You are bad, and an asshole

[pearl jungle]

what does that mean

[rough carbon]

like a man launcher but on the ground, less halo/apex cannon more sonic the hedgehog baseball pitching machine

[pearl jungle]

like a um… like a jump pad?

[rough carbon]

it feels weird backing into a pad to get forwards movement

you have to angle it on goo or a slope

[stark hemlock]

A Slot Machine that you could gamble on while playing!!!!🔥 🙏 🔥 💯

[faint owl]

REAAAAL

[somber knoll]

Anyone care to tell me what this dude said? Too long to read. Fuck that shet

[stray lion]

Nothing worth reading to be honest

[vital hound]

a use for VRs

[slow crane]

TLDR he sucks at the game and is complaining about invisibility, of all things

[dense shell]

i use every gadget in the game

[stray lion]

Ok name every gadget

[dense shell]

okay

every gadget named

[stray lion]

I name my gadgets bert.

[worn basalt]

if you hold backwards with grapple hook, it lets you get more height/air

[wise briar]

Add a 2nd cashbox type where a team gets to change specialization after successfully capturing it. With this implementation, now there are 2 cashout type to worry about on the arena.

Add a weapon vending machnine where players gets to change weapons choices beyond reserve options.

Add a capturable turret on the arena if successfully captured, the turret will fight alongside for the team.

Add a player/team buff node where if a player or a whole team stands on a static platform on the ground for a short while (microcapture), he/they will receive buff ( max health / armor / shield )

Add a glitch/stun damage for tracking darts after hit. *bring back darts for mediums 🥲

[leaden flax]

For the love of god please remove the sword it’s absolutely no skill.

[mellow lodge]

and what gun do you use?

[royal valve]

bro speaking fax

[crude bison]

is it just me or did the nerf to the ks23 make it borderline usesless

it feels like it doesnt really have a niche anymore with the 100dmg per shot

at 120, 1 shot + melee could kill light in close range, and two + melee did the same to medium

[glad solstice]

Glitch Grenade lightbulb skin when

[crude bison]

like it feels like it doesnt have a place anymore

[pallid whale]

Can we get a chef bundle with a chef outfit and throwing knife’s as “pizza slice “ and sword as a “ machete” and dagger as a “ spatula” or a spoon or fork

[glad solstice]

Machete Chef?

[bleak elbow]

He is not cooking

[drifting badge]

Anyone know how to fix the reload animation bug

[gilded shoal]

Revolver hipfire.

[steady ingot]

Best gun for medium?

[gilded shoal]

FCAR. Devs will not nerf it under any circumstances.

[stable gulch]

https://youtube.com/shorts/nNoE9P8gKwk?si=eemvCivAiDeXXGF3

dis gun might be cool

[burnt gyro]

peak

[potent ledge]

I like the AKM

[restive plover]

It feels better to shoot, but functions much worse. Also not even that much better considering there's still noticeable bullet dispersion even when "aiming down sights."

[daring umbra]

cool

[polar raven]

fcar

[buoyant ridge]

or flashbang

[fickle radish]

wasnt ks buffed (?)

[buoyant ridge]

what's everyone's hot take? Mine is I think if the riot shield's shield is up then it should be immune to being blinded from flash bangs which could help close the distance between them & the opponent

[polar raven]

this is such a small change the weapon would stil lbe bad

[pearl jungle]

most lukewarm take I’ve ever heard

[buoyant ridge]

well what's your take?

[mellow lodge]

Stun gun isn't op, and light sucks ass

[pearl jungle]

you should be able to skate on the riot shield to get a massive speed boost :))

[buoyant ridge]

interesting

[uneven plaza]

Stuck in "We are waiting for other contestants to connect"

[topaz sparrow]

I like lights

If you play as a team, you just stomp them

If you don't play as a team, they just stomp you

By the way, how much damage does glitch mine do?

[dry robin]

does riot shield block melee attacks?

[dry robin]

😍

[modest crag]

tracking dart is trash

[polar raven]

not really

[dry robin]

wym not really, yes or no

[echo talon]

Short answer : yes
Sophisticated answer : good luck blocking a light with dash
Heavy ? Meh 50-50 you will survive or they slam dunk you

[dry robin]

whys the zipline so funky bro, sometime it wont cut

[echo talon]

If u want to be sure and destroy it faster , 2 quick melee will do the job

[dry robin]

oh sorry i meant grapple

[dry robin]

i meant grapple hook

[slim linden]

This data is out of date, please use THE FINALS Discord bot called CNS, there are links above, it has many more features too!

will update it soon when i get the chance tho

[topaz sparrow]

There are certainly better things than it

[supple mesa]

I prefer coin syphon than tracking dart. You put a syphon dart secretly on enemys back, wherever they die, whenever they die, their coins get to you.

Or wasp bomb. When it launch, it detect in radius 25m who carry most money and hurt them half of their life.

imagining wasps sounds marching in

[dapper talon]

Wasp bomb does sound cool I think it should track and go after nearest player that way it could work across all modes

[topaz sparrow]

Now that I think of it, I havent actually seen ANYONE use mines besides dumping them onto the cashout station

I've blown up billions of people with them in unexpected places, but never been blown up myself

Is everyone but me stupid?

[rain geyser]

No

[slim linden]

ok

[rain geyser]

Your data was literally wrong and you refused to listen

[slim linden]

lmao compare it to other sheets, the sheet is out of date

[slim linden]

oh its you, yeah no shush

mans mad cause my game forgot to update and the recoil was wrong, updated after 💀

[polar raven]

"my game forgot to update"

[dapper talon]

Please cease this behaviour. my will to continue playing starts to fade after getting vaporised just from entering a building 100m from a cashout

[supple mesa]

I place it on the floor behind a door and the stairs.

[topaz sparrow]

Maybe next time you will look where you step

[dapper talon]

Will have to live in constant paranoia of instant death for the rest of my days

Still better then nukes tho

[thorny hollow]

Press spacebar to cut grapple

[potent ledge]

the dagger needs a buff to the normal hitting in front of the guy you are fighting, 50 dmg you migt just be quick meele them

[polar raven]

quick melee is a lot slower and you're supposed to mostly backstab anyways 50 damage is just for if all else fails

[potent ledge]

everyone can see you annyway that's why it just sucks, the bakstab is wonky

[polar raven]

it does suck indedd

[potent ledge]

even with cloack because everyone can see you even from 50 meters away for some reson😢

[royal valve]

sure buddy.

[main laurel]

here me out a winchester rifle for the medium class

[cunning raven]

Did anybody ever see someone using the gateway? I was the only one using it in all of my games, but the distance limit that got added , makes it basically useless

[buoyant ridge]

that's just the 1887

[main laurel]

clicked enter too soon ;-;

[zinc wolf]

Yeah a lever action rifle would be sick but thats literally the 1887 design lmao

I do hope we get some kind of Barrett heavy sniper rifle down the line

[near onyx]

Increase the damage of ks23 to goo,it’s so weird that ks23 can break the wall with only three shoots but the same number to break a goo brick

[heavy tusk]

I'd be down for the 1894 getting added. It could have a unique M2 with levering instead of ADS, but that's probably my 1k hours of Hunt talking

[near onyx]

i totally agree the new change of ks23,but can we make it more aggressive to tear defense line by buff the damage on heavy’s shields(also other buildings)?and this will make heavy be a even better support like we expect

[main laurel]

lol maybe it can be light weapon the to give more classes a lever action

[heavy tusk]

I mean mare's leg modifications are a thing, so I don't see why not. Still, the idea of dashing at someone while levering makes me shudder a bit

that's just too much rootin' and tootin' for one cowboy to muster

[hidden creek]

are the throwing knives any goood or just a troll wep

[heavy tusk]

they do some good burst damage and don't need to be reloaded, but they do have physics and slower travel time

they also bounce off shields and other objects, meaning you can accidently headshot yourself if you're not careful

[hidden creek]

feels like none of the light weapons are good. the dagger is actually useless

[main laurel]

but then i can yell "yeehaw chuckle nuts" after
headshoting another light with my cowboy skin

i mean i still do with the 1887 but it would be so fun to dash with it

[lunar hearth]

They should add reinforcements walls so that heavy characters can not break through

As well as that they should miniguns too heavy characters as a main ability

[hidden creek]

whats the best medium wep rn?

[main laurel]

FCAR but in my opinion if you wanna play more aggressive use the 1887 with nades

[marble sage]

Fcar or akm and with the new Buffs famas is good aswell also on light the xp 54 is one of best weapons in game

[hidden creek]

how long has this game been out?

[marble sage]

Couple months

[hidden creek]

oh shit

i thought it was an old ass game like r6

[main laurel]

nah man its still new its in its infant stage

[hidden creek]

• 1million respect to devs for making it actually optimized and play at >30fps

[marble sage]

Wait till you find out they update the game weekly and actually listen to us

[hidden creek]

impossible

[marble sage]

Crazy concept right?

[unborn snow]

DEVS ACTUALLY DOING THEIR JOBS?!

[hidden creek]

opposite of ironmace

[unborn snow]

!!!11!!!!!1!

[hidden creek]

the pro scene for this game probably gonna be so cool

[heavy tusk]

I'm not someone who typically enjoys playing ranked in games due to how sweaty it can get, but Embark has seriously been selling me on it with how it's set up

wins are based on cash earned, cash can be earned/lost with kills/team wipes, every ranked game is a tournament bracket made up of four rounds

[rough carbon]

Tournament mode really makes every dollar count and that itself is fun

[hidden creek]

what's the best heavy gun rn?

[orchid hollow]

i heard that m60 is kinda good this season

[heavy tusk]

Lewis has solid DPS across most ranges
SA1216 is good for bursting down at close range
Flamethrower is good for confined areas like indoor cashouts and has anti-medigun/gas utility
Sledge is peak UNGA
KS-23 has okay distance and does a chunky 100 damage per shot, also good for poking holes in defenses, bad when you get focused down close range

i'd say it all depends on where your preferred fight distance is. If you want more mid-range, go lewis or KS-23. If you want to get a bit closer, go M60. If you're comfortable being closer to the enemy than their family members, go for SA1216 or sledge. If you need more crowd damage or healing/gas counters, go flamethrower

[hidden creek]

the sight on the m60 is absolutely garbage

very frustrating

how is the grenade launcher?

[heavy tusk]

it's not great, but i've seen worse rear sight rings

Launcher is solid if you can position well enough to avoid splashing yourself. It gets one free surface bounce before exploding on contact and does 83 damage in it's entire radius

[sick flax]

only thing with ranked i hate you play against any rank no matter what rank you are, you can be silver going against a full stack top 500 n shit

but ranked def fun if you like the competitive side of games

[heavy tusk]

That sucks to hear. I had the same problem with Hunt's solo quickplay mode. You either risk losing MMR in the normal team mode or play bayou royale with every skill level

Hopefully they at least add an option to queue against ranks closer to yours

[balmy timber]

I love fcar

[sick flax]

yeah im gold 2 rn but ive been goin against at least the top 50 for some odd reason its all good tho

[chilly turret]

sledge

[sick flax]

yuck

[hidden creek]

bought the grenade launcher. save yourself the trouble and ignore this weapon. shit is garbo farbo

[tropic hearth]

Please 🙏 🙏 🙏 give the Goo Gun some love

it's so close to perfection, but it needs some QoLadjustments / buffs

I just need the following

• decrease the draw time
• decrease the stow time
• remove all bloom from the shots regardless of movement state ( always perfectly accurate when walking, crouched , in the air, etc)
• shrink the size of the Goo projectile so that it gets caught on the wrong objects / surfaces less

I just want to combo with my sledgehammer more reliably

🙏 please Embark I'm begging you give the goo some love

[restive plover]

The usual suspects, lewis and sa1216. M60 is also very good. I would advise staying away from the ks though.

[fickle charm]

Goo gun is pretty alright. I do very much agree that it should always be accurate. I can combo quite reliably with sledge. You just need to goo them again after they run/dash

[uncut leaf]

I've tried the new medium specialization and I like it, but should I use it over the healing one?

[tropic hearth]

I want to shave like 300 ms off the stow and draw time

so that you can more efficiently swap repeatedly
ok maybe 300 is a bit overkill
but make it faster

[tropic hearth]

until they give it more charges, no
you make a hole, seal that hole, and then make another hole and you're already out of charges

dont get me wrong
it's rad as hell
but it needs a buff

[uncut leaf]

So, I should keep using healing, got it

[daring umbra]

👍

[supple mesa]

IDEAS For new gadgets:

1. Holographic decoy projector
2. Temporal disruptor (slows down opponents' movements)
3. Laser based mines
4. Teammate disruption. See teammate as enemy and can kill.
5. Remote-controlled drone for surveillance and attacks
6. Anti drone.
7. Nano-swarm grenade (releases a swarm of nanobots to attack nearest opponents)
8. Hyperspeed serum (temporarily increases movement speed)
9. Cyclone grenade (creates a powerful vortex that pulls in opponents)
10. Target-seeking missiles
    11 Wall-climbing / stick to wall gloves
11. Portable healing station
12. Sit-in turret
13. Coin siphon (drains opponents' Coins)
14. Phase disruptor (temporarily phases opponents into random area)

[mental iris]

dumb take but make throwing knives and dagger both usable as a weapon that you can change whiel u play but only use one weapon slot since dagger is not that good and very situationalso with the throwing knives you can at least do something from adistance

[sterile blaze]

Remove sniper from the 5v5 power shift

[hidden creek]

i bought the heavy grenade launcher and auto shotgun, they are both hot garbage

[proper breach]

yeah its annoying

[pure shard]

Best weapon ?

[versed mulch]

poop gun please

pretty please

[stray lion]

Bombastic side eye

[sterile blaze]

Either m11 Lewis gun or grenade launcher imo
The slug shotgun is a new contender since its been buffed but I mainly use them and like famas for medium

As u can tell I use light and heavy

[polar raven]

none of those are close to the best

[sterile blaze]

And what are the best exactly?

@polar raven

[polar raven]

well medium with fcar is probably the best and also easiest class/gun to play rn

[sterile blaze]

Fcar has just been nerfed

And the recoil is now worse but for medium that's probably true

[polar raven]

barely

[sterile blaze]

0.67 to 0.5

[polar raven]

first of all the patchnotes are wrong it was already at 0.55 and also most of the time youre hitting for max daamge anyways

[sterile blaze]

fcar is best for medium sure but the weapons i said are still valid

or a few of them as i said i dont play medium

[polar raven]

m11 isnt even the best gun for light

[sterile blaze]

what is then

[polar raven]

probably the xp54

[sterile blaze]

i disagree

m11 is faster damage and more accurate imo

[polar raven]

its a lot less accurate and dps is basically the same

[sterile blaze]

its not its easy to hit ur shots with

the recoil is abysmal u just need decent aim

[polar raven]

you literally have an actual scope

[sterile blaze]

you wont be aiming from far away anyway as a light?

unless ur playing ratty

[polar raven]

m11 doesnt do shit outside of 10m range

[sterile blaze]

u wont be outside a 10 m range

[polar raven]

you cant always get super close to enemies

[sterile blaze]

u will be on the objective of whatever gamemode ur on if ur playing light

plus it can def push beyond 10 m ill test this

but even so its damage is rapid and can take out enemies easily if u pair it with invis or dashes

[polar raven]

m11 literlaly has less dps than xp

[sterile blaze]

that makes literally 0 sense unless they buffed it since i last used it

[polar raven]

well its like the exact same

[sterile blaze]

i just used it

if u can control it at a range its fine but yeah its similar

[pearl grove]

I want some opinions on something, if I'm playing light sword which is better invis or dash

[sterile blaze]

Invis

[polar raven]

dash by far

[pearl grove]

see i find dash to be good for getting close, but if you get hit it's over, and invis the opposite side being harder to close but easier to get away

[polar raven]

you can combine dash with lunge to create a really long lunge

[arctic fog]

Dash

[near onyx]

i’m thinking…if heavy’s gun shield can arranged on any surface

[scarlet bone]

need a limit on how many mediums/lights/heavys can be on a team in a 5v5 match, dealing with 5 mediums that all run healing beam and APS-T and defibrillators is quite possibly one of the most annoying things in this game ive played against, if that cant change can we please have a limit on how many of the same gadget can be used if 5 mediums are in the game? like only 2 APS-T systems NOT 5 AT A TIME ??? it would be amazing

[stoic arrow]

Solution, make role restrictions and a rank mode

[final sail]

nah im jus playing

[turbid shadow]

Best medium load out for beginner?

[polar raven]

fcar healing beam defib explosive mine zipline

[fading wharf]

Jumpad better

[digital ravine]

Ak turret pyro zipline defib

[tulip flame]

Im trying to get to level 1 so I can make my own voice channel sorry

[tulip flame]

Ok

[balmy swan]

Okay guys I stopped chill

[icy sparrow]

The devs made ks an inferior revolver and it somehow feels the Lewis gun and f scar is back to being op probably because they players learned the pattern or I am playing against cheaters.
Nerf their damage not recoil other players said the same thing!🙏

My team and I can barely play anymore we get beamed by Lewis,f scar and m11 and i almost never see any other weapons WTF?!!!
Also buff dagger by making it hook onto walls(double tap secondary attack) and wall jumping and giving it a fast downwards thrust 130 damage.

[karmic crypt]

Mgl32 rework

[dull prawn]

how to use the itznao bot

[polar raven]

<@&1012034066876473384>

same guy been spamming for quite a while

[stray lion]

There is a streaming now channel to post that my guy

[strange mortar]

Why am I not able to ADS the KS 23 shotgun on heavy… What, balancing reason could there be?

[supple oracle]

Fuck no, i do not want sniper to ever be a viable option, every game they are in they just suck the fun out and NEVER are fair to fight against

Its main weakness is supposed close range and will fucking stay so, dont fucking bring the idea a sniper hipfire should be accurate because its WEAK AT CLOSE RANGE, think of how you want to get rid of the only weakness of a weapon on a class with so much mobility, i say its deserved, but even this weakness does not do much

whats up with every goddamn fps game putting snipers without a second thought, never thinking of the consequences of such choice, i have yet to find a game where snipers are fun to both use and fight against

even in the real world, snipers are inherentely supposed to be unfair, its in the very core of the weapon!

[strange mortar]

just give the LH1 a short range sight and i’ll be happy

[supple oracle]

LH1 should have been the only "Long range" option avaiable for light

I never found unfair nor unfun to fight against a LH1 light

yet time and time again those same "weakness" does not balance the sniper, how many fps games had the same thing but snipers were still shitty to play against?

how many games had snipers where the only counter to a sniper is another sniper?

ah yes, IN A OBJECTIVE BASED GAME

How the fuck are we supposed to do objectives if we NEED to get in the snipers sightlines?

Again, snipers by its very design and core are meant to be UNFAIR to play against

glad we agree

sniper should just be changed to another weapon and be forgotten, devs( im talking about from any fps game) never put effort in trying to balance this category of weapon and make it both fair and fun to fight with and against

oh wait, lh1 exists, why the sr-84 exists again?

with how devs are taking the piss on nerfing F-CAR and Lewis?, yeah, im inclined to agree

but never mind that you want a infinite range weapon to not be weak at close range, thats totally fine

like asking shotguns to deal full damage at infinite range with only 1 of the 9 pellets

[wanton verge]

what do you guys think about stun gun

[supple oracle]

delete or change its stun effect to Glitch grenade effect

[sand monolith]

sniper is probably the most balanced weapon in the game for ranked tournament and needs 0 changes. it has a glaring weakness and glaring strengths. i don’t understand why people look at intentional weaknesses in a weapon and try to get rid of them

[polar raven]

oh no they nerfed the recoil you have to waste 10 minutes relearning the pattern what will you ever do

[sand monolith]

the recoil nerfs the lewis and fcar were stupid

[supple oracle]

its like people wanting Heavy grenade launcher to explode on contact, that wouls get rid of its weakness of being shit at killing people in your face

[sand monolith]

it should have been firing rate nerfs so that it actually leans into the long range niche more without being good at close range

[polar raven]

i think they want the famas to be the medium long range weapon but either way they shouldve nerfed the dps

[sand monolith]

yeah idk. it’s sad cause a ton of the weapons are actually really well balanced with very obvious strengths and weaknesses but the meta is currently the only weapons and classes without any (fcar lewis and xp-54 if light is even played)

[sand monolith]

yeah i think the trade off they’re going for is just making the fcar the strongest at the expense of ammo count. but that’s not a relevant weakness at all and isn’t going to work

i wouldn’t mind seeing it take a new niche in a rework like maybe give its sight a thermal effect but make the gun shit

[supple oracle]

question, is CB2 supposed to be "Closed beta 2"?

[sand monolith]

yes

when the stun gun was awesome and cool

[supple oracle]

how different it was from the now?

[sand monolith]

you couldn’t shoot when stunned but the stun would end the moment you took any damage. so it was not a free kill and was more of a utility

1000x more fun to play with and against. idk why they changed it at all

[mellow lodge]

wait it was actually like that at one point?

[sand monolith]

yea in the closed betas. i can look for a clip

[supple oracle]

hmm, does it only stops you from shooting?, can you still quick melee and deploy gadgets?

[mellow lodge]

why the devs ruin stun gun 😔 i agree it should be reverted

[sand monolith]

no u couldnt do anything besides watch

the duration was a bit too long and the cooldown was a bit too short but thats easily fixable

[supple oracle]

honestly, between the 2 poisons, id like to take CB2 Version

[sand monolith]

https://medal.tv/games/the-finals/clips/1ezuo22UUvdErN/d13379jBm7mg?invite=cr-MSxtTUosNDcyMDY5NSw

stunning the heavy shotgun to turn the 1v2 into a 1v1

also, xp-54 with no sight was pretty cool

[opaque mica]

In a game where the inside quickly becomes the outside you light gremlin

Honestly the sniper isnt really that bad but it's 'weaknesses' are largely counterbalanced by it being a light weapon and the oppressive amount of cheating scum using it has soured it greatly.

Let's take it off Light and give it to medium. Lets actually have a fair trade between the two and not some blatant favouritism.

Sure you don't.

[sand monolith]

sniper doesnt really fit on medium because medium needs to be close to teammates to survive (if the game is properly balanced)

[opaque mica]

True but light has too much and what good is the squishyness of a class when their range is so extreme?

[mellow lodge]

which class is having blatant favouritism?

[opaque mica]

Light by far.

[mellow lodge]

i quite enjoy when the worst class has favouritism

[opaque mica]

Stealth is just a pain in the arse but not to worry medium has a counter to that....wait not anymore

[supple oracle]

light is extremely annoying because of snipers,stun gun and xp-54, but hes actually really weak for teamplay

[sand monolith]

the sniper is only ever an issue in power shift. its very well balanced in normal tournament

[mellow lodge]

the only stealth light has is shitty game audio existing rn

[supple oracle]

oh yeah, invis too, how did i forget it?

[sand monolith]

invis needs to just be tf2 invis

[opaque mica]

i do love a 'skillful' play of pull a stun gun and have no counter than to hope they suck at following up

[supple oracle]

damn right

[mellow lodge]

i'm standing by my point of stealth being highly nerfed when they fix game audio

[mellow lodge]

oh i see you are one of the people that thinks stun gun is op

[opaque mica]

Hmm too strong

[mellow lodge]

this explains everything now

[sand monolith]

stun gun isnt really op its just like really stupid and obnoxious. but its not op by virtue of being on a dogshit class

[mellow lodge]

ah yes stun gun is still so op

[opaque mica]

yeah do that while fucking tased?

[mellow lodge]

what, stand still and hipfire?

oh no that is so difficult to do

[opaque mica]

ah yes because once tased the light is immobile too

[mellow lodge]

stun gun is annoying not op

[sand monolith]

it should be changed. but its not op

[opaque mica]

ah...wait no

[mellow lodge]

ah yes the inability to move my mouse or joystick

[supple oracle]

again, id rather have stun gun have its stun effect changed to glitch grenade effect, but i guess im fine with cb2 version if it comes to that

[opaque mica]

greatly reduced aim

[polar raven]

glitch effect would practically make it useless

[mellow lodge]

@opaque mica what class do you main?

[opaque mica]

So says the light main.

[mellow lodge]

the hardest class in the game to use?

[opaque mica]

Also mostly heavy but I play all 3.

[supple oracle]

would still prevent anyone you hit from using gadgets and specializations without being obnoxious

[opaque mica]

but be just the glitch nade

[supple oracle]

you really gonna say that glitching the heavy preventing him from chargin,deploying mesh shield, throwing dome shield, gooing you to not be useful?

[mellow lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-gif-19411985

[opaque mica]

No it would be but that is the glich grenade.

[opaque mica]

Indeed you do.

[supple oracle]

yes, exactly, only difference is that its a hitscan "weapon" now, no need to wait on fuse time and you can target a specific enemy without needing to wait

[mellow lodge]

you are literally maining the easiest class in the game keep yapping

[opaque mica]

i suppose an isolated glitch would be more interesting that a 3.5 shutdown

[opaque mica]

I don't main Heavy. I play them all.

So i shall and you shall cope.

[mellow lodge]

how am i coping?

[opaque mica]

That i'm not a heavy main.

[mellow lodge]

you sdaid you mostly play heavy, that means maining...

[swift valley]

yoo, i'm new to both the finals and server

[opaque mica]

nah it doesnt though. I'm flexible to what i feel like playing.

[supple oracle]

and i mostly play light and heavy, yet i play medium every so often

i dont main any of them, maining would be playing a single class ONLY

[opaque mica]

friend wants to play heavy, I can switch to light or medium. Or run heavy too

[mellow lodge]

maining means playing something for the majority of the time, he said he plays all three but mostly heavy, idk why you argueing

[opaque mica]

The thing I despise most is mono comps.

[supple oracle]

that does not mean he mains heavy....

[opaque mica]

Yup. 'Main'ing a class or character is just silly to me. Especially in this game

I'm not amazing at any of them but i get by and have some fun with each.

You want big health and big destruction? Heavy. Want to zoom around like a wish.com titanfall pilot? Light. Want a decent well rounded (mostly) standard fps guy. Medium.

better question here though. Will we get more that just 3 abilities per class and why will light have more than the others?

Sorry light has how many weapons?

[mellow lodge]

and every single one loses to the fcar

[opaque mica]

Overtuned...yes we are...in the wrong direction.

[mellow lodge]

if light was a good class you wouldn't have team mates throwing and going afk in ranked just for picking the class

[opaque mica]

haha on what fucking planet?

[polar raven]

tell me a light weapon thatcan consistently 1v1 fcar

[sand monolith]

light has a million weapons and gadgets and is still never seen in ranked lmao

[mellow lodge]

ok now it's actually bait if he thinks light weapons are better than fcar

[opaque mica]

You ever think maybe ranked is just full of salts and uber tryhards?

[sand monolith]

i mean, technically light has better weapons than the fcar. but has 100 less hp so it loses trades

[opaque mica]

In theory yes...

[sand monolith]

yeah like if xp-54 on was on medium i would not be playing the game

[mellow lodge]

the only gun that has a faster light ttk than the fcar is the m11

[polar raven]

wdym in theory light literally has double the ttk against a medium

[opaque mica]

yeah instead the mp5 is hypertuned to ridiculous cheese because it's on light

[sand monolith]

the mp5 is fine

[supple oracle]

@opaque mica , i know light is the most annoying right now because of stun gun, invis and sniper, but light is actually the weakest class

Annoying and obnoxious is not the same as overpowered, its a common thing to mistake since strong emotion can trick us so

[sand monolith]

lh1 is a bigger issue easily

[polar raven]

if you constantly lose against m11 as fcar its just a skill issue lmao

[opaque mica]

Yeah the gif spam is dull.

[supple oracle]

i do wish light was less annoying and obnoxious to play against, but currently they are weak and bring almost nothing for teamplay

[opaque mica]

we get it. You main light

[mellow lodge]

so is thinking fcar isn't op and light is a good class

[opaque mica]

I never said it wasn't.

But one OP thing does'nt excuse another.

[polar raven]

ok so what about light is op

[mellow lodge]

what is op about light?

[supple oracle]

wait, how is LH1 and issue and not xp-54?

[opaque mica]

For one Stun gun. 2 is stealth

[mellow lodge]

lmao we got a comedian in this chat

[opaque mica]

I'd said sword dash more than dag/grap

[polar raven]

what about stun gun exactly and ofc it has stealth thats the whole point??

[opaque mica]

the whole point of what precisely?

[mellow lodge]

me as a cloak light being the most visible fucker on the planet when i move half an inch

[sand monolith]

lh1 is the best weapon on light its just obnoxious to use

[supple oracle]

sword dash is fuckin obnoxiously cancerous, how did i forget that, little cockroach dosent get off inside of me!

[polar raven]

light has double the ttk against a medium it cant be bad at everything

[opaque mica]

What does that have to do with stealth though?

[sand monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/gotg-what-chris-pratt-starlord-guardians-of-the-galaxy-gif-11287925

[polar raven]

youve got to be fucking stupid

[mellow lodge]

what is op about cloak?

[supple oracle]

wait, obnoxious to use but its the best gun?

not obnoxious to fight against and best gun?
im not trying to be an asshole,just...confused

[polar raven]

the only "advantage" light has is its stealth and movement if it doesnt have those itd would litearlly be the worst at everything?

[opaque mica]

Look at almost any other game with it. Light stealth is just foul

[sand monolith]

the recoil makes it obnoxious to use. but its still the best weapon because it just destroys everything instantly. its also obnoxious to fight. you just dont see it often because it feels like shit to use despite being stupid strong

[mellow lodge]

and in this game it's kinda not that good

[polar raven]

yeah and are we talking about any other game rn

[supple oracle]

thats a very reasonable and hard to debate back take...

[opaque mica]

Right because other games that have something similar for reference points don't mateer here.

[mellow lodge]

yes because stealth works different in other games

[supple oracle]

as much as i love lh1,yes its obnoxious to use, but i dont feel useless after 20m

but as you said i also havent been against lh1 lights too often

[polar raven]

cloak is a lot easier to see/hear in this game, while it porbably needs some reworking its still not an argument for light being good

[mellow lodge]

the only op thing about stealth is the games audio not working porperly

[opaque mica]

All i want on cloak is for it to be a single charge and mayb that can get rid of the time cost.

[polar raven]

what

[opaque mica]

I can hear them too.

the problem with not having some super high def moniter is that they are relatively hard to see if not impossible because of everything esle going on in addition

yeah it is obscenely loud.

also need the sound to be different sounding to allies.

That shit sets my spy alert off when i hear it but it turns out to be my ally

[supple oracle]

well i had not once but twice the cases where i dint hear a megaton pack (heavy)behind my back casually running to me ready to tear my asshole a new one

[mellow lodge]

i play on a tv thats like 7+ years old, get better eyes

[opaque mica]

Hmm, they did the footsteps update to differ between allies and enemies and unless you need bloddy full cinematic stereo to tell i often can't.

[opaque mica]

and my moniter is about 5-6 years and is only about 30 something inch and where from, got a fucking recommendation?

pop down to the corner shop for some premium eyes? Or should i go cybernetic?

[mellow lodge]

cybernetic obviously, get some camera's in your eyes

[opaque mica]

they'd replace them -_- not be in them.

[mellow lodge]

close enough

[opaque mica]

....never become a surgeon for all our safety.

[mellow lodge]

nah sugery is too much stress

[atomic lily]

they should buff throwing knifes even more. 1. make the heavy charge holdable (keep holding right click until release) and 2. Either completely remove dispersion while airborne or strafe faster while holding Left click

[main laurel]

Love the new sights for the model 1887 🤣

[potent ledge]

Uhm

Shoot when the sqware covers the enemy😂

[main laurel]

Nah just aim down sights all game and play the game "did I get him?"

[potent ledge]

😂 that's amazing! Funny bugs are the best

[main laurel]

Nah it's funny if whenever I shoot my dude tossed a nade as well

[restive plover]

seriously, doesn’t even matter if you have stereo headphones with great mixing you still can’t tell where sounds are coming from, and i don’t want to raise the SFX audio because i’ll go deaf from my own gun firing.

[potent ledge]

Yes that wold be funny af😂

[main laurel]

The new nade launcher

[potent ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/the-terminator-grenade-launcher-shooting-movie-gif-25156735

[main laurel]

fr man lol

[crimson wedge]

missed the chance to make a box cutter knife skin for the cardboard set

[earnest nova]

Nerf every turret in existance pls and both grande lunchers

[supple oracle]

wut, why would you want MGL-32 nerfed?

[earnest nova]

U just hold down left click aiming somewhere around 10m around ur enemys and all lights die

[mellow lodge]

then run at the guy, the MGL sucks

[earnest nova]

Ye i have less problem with the mgl its mostly the cl40 thats the aiming problem

[mellow lodge]

yeah cl hard counters light

[fair wing]

Need to change rpg to do less damage like 90 but have two charges and you can rocket jump with it@

[gritty swallow]

You can counter it by jumping sometimes

[hidden creek]

flamethrower is way too strong, this meta is aids

[pallid whale]

Lmaooo

[simple verge]

I'd love a skin for the slug shotty, super fun to use

[cinder basalt]

Keep your distance. Use your grenade. Mines. Goo grenade to get away( Yes I know fire destroy goo but it still give you enough time to window tech and move away). But if you have to get close.Don’t run away. Stay with your team. Keep shooting, most of the time if you hit your shot. Heavy flame thrower actually can’t match the dps. Otherwise, if you really hate heavy flame thrower so much, when you know there’s gonna be flame thrower next round, just use shotgun.

[cinder basalt]

Please do this. Jesus. Heavy mesh shield is SOOO boring~
Especially if everyone just use Lewis or SA

[north chasm]

most weapons do there best up close

[fair wing]

Would bring much needed mobility without being op because to rocket jump would be at the cost of health

[vivid grove]

Just dematerialize the floor, watch them fall, seal it up.

[tight geyser]

All I wanna say is GOD is the revolver a horrifically good gun

My aim is ass with every gun but give me the revolver and I'm just doming people

[hidden creek]

playing as light is frustrating. the throwing knives are laughably bad and it seems like everything 1 shots me

throwing knives not being able to 2 shot a light is actually just insulting, and the right click attack is a flat decrease in dps 😡 💢

[trail meteor]

hi

[digital saddle]

knives are the forth best option, I find. but they do not best the unbalanced classes and guns. nothing does.

[left trellis]

help me - "login failed due to a service interruption, please try again later."

[digital saddle]

https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1201841543926005810

[royal flicker]

Ok but seriously why does the 1887 load 2 rounds into the gun when you pop out the casing and not give you a bullet for it, like when you try and reload when it has no ammo

[topaz sparrow]

I love blowing up lights with me explosive mines

[topaz sparrow]

Don't mean to brag, but I might the best player ever

[hidden creek]

how many more msgs until i can create vc

[fiery tapir]

hi

[heavy tusk]

New CL-40 Twitch skin looking good

[hexed maple]

This game needs stims, desperately

[heavy tusk]

Light really needs to rely on good movement and ambush tactics to stay alive. The usual archetypes involve using grapple and dash to kite/dodge, using invis for quick ambushes, or going long range to avoid confrontations entirely

Throwing knives are more for burst damage instead of DPS. Primary fire does a 2 knife burst at 60 damage per knife, alt throws both at once for 70 damage per knife and has +50% damage on headshots

The best use i've gotten out of them is sneaking up on someone with invis and hitting them with a couple shots or getting long range kills for my Call of Scotty montage videos. If you feel like you're at risk of becoming someone's focus and you don't feel like you can win the trade, disengage so they'll chase and give you another ambush opportunity

[frigid meteor]

How people be getting these cool variants of other skins or just different skins that I’ve never seen?

[sterile blaze]

wdym

[ornate vigil]

has this been updated

[silver scaffold]

i already have it

[silver scaffold]

still good job

btw am i the first one with maxed goo nade?

[vapid oar]

how much melee attack does?

damage

[restive plover]

40

[frigid meteor]

Like the the s.o sleek set has different colors like forest green and tundra white

[sick fossil]

easiest light to kill, id rather not play hide and seek with a cloak light

[jade horizon]

what’s the best medium build lads

[vapid oar]

[vapid oar]

I personally do in ranked:
Heal, Fcar/Akm
gas grenade/aps
zipline
defibrillator

[native lance]

Evasive dash or invis?

[vapid oar]

depends on weapons and playstyle. both can be good

[native lance]

Mp5?

[vapid oar]

If you're confident about your movement, then dash

if you want to learn, then yeah, dash

[native lance]

Alr. Can u steal while invis?

[polar raven]

no

[native lance]

Kk ima probs stick with dash

Since my movement is quite good

[polar raven]

use vanish bomb tho so that youll at least have something

[vapid oar]

I personally use invis since I'm not on high rank and often ppl don't see you / can't hear your while fight

[sharp wraith]

Hi, what can you do here?

[simple pulsar]

what would you guys say is the best medium weapon now

im thinking between model 1887 and fcar

[polar raven]

still fcar

[livid oar]

What Would you guys say is the best small weapon right now?

[viscid cloud]

LH1 i think

[polar raven]

XP54 is easiest and most consistent

for a harder but potentially better weapon use lh1

[livid oar]

Thankis!

[livid oar]

I was looking to get LH1

[shut bane]

I dont think people are realizing how good the tracking dart is in power shift lol

[dry robin]

whats yall thoughts on mediums grenade launcher pump action

[shut bane]

its very good against anything but heavies

[gray vector]

aps turret completely counter it just be warned

[mellow lodge]

and the cl-40 completly counters light in return

[dry robin]

yes i couldnt do anything against it and lost the match 🥲

[dry robin]

yes i feel good being able to violate them 😈

[verbal jacinth]

We GOTTA fix the dagger man

[amber swallow]

The dagger is a cool weapon, but its just plain bad. Throwing knives are also pretty bad. They need some sort of rework. It would be cool to combine them into one thing, where you can throw the knives, or go for the oneshot backstab.

[ruby forum]

HI

[amber swallow]

also i think it needs like a small lunge whenever attacking, range is so short

[soft juniper]

I actually thought about this same thing and the same idea "Keep the throwing knife Normal attack the same but make the Alternate Fire the Back Stab from dagger for the one shot powers" Because I find myself almost never auto attacking as Dagger and never use the Alternate fire on the Throwing Knife

this could be the thing both throwing knife and dagger need to be good but im fine if it dosnt happen either

[thorny hollow]

Alt fire for throwing knives is amazing I wouldn’t want to lose that for the backstab, since tk can kill in that range extremely easily— I js don’t see why the merging of those two would even be remotely reasonable bc they’re separate weapons with different play styles

[real oracle]

Embark pls give us a Comically large spoon for a sledgehammer skin, a comically large butter knife for the sword, and a finger gun V9S, we need this

[thorny hollow]

If embark makes more skins based on childhood memories, they def gon be getting a bunch more money from us

[jovial gust]

I wonder what kind of sound effects would it have

[chilly turret]

the sound effects someone would make with their mouth

“pshew! pshew!”

[jovial gust]

And when you reload you push your thumb back

[ruby forum]

Just responding so I can create a server lol

[rough carbon]

Dual hatchet skins for throwing knives or maybe snowballs for winter

[thorn bay]

For snowballs the alt fire could be you mushing them together, not sure how you'd throw 2 hatchets with 1 hand tho

[desert merlin]

you should be able to customize barricades with a spray since they don't get charms or stickers. would really add some spice.

Plus it feels like nobody sprays or I never really see them as is, this would encourage people to buy em

[violet turtle]

feel like sprays dont really work in this game cause all the walls get destroyed fairly easily ... maybe a system like apex where they have a hologram spray?

[real oracle]

Back to the childhood memory skins... what about a lego gun as well, like a lego FCAR or AKM

[vocal sand]

I like that

[stark saddle]

did they nerfed fcar?

[mellow lodge]

technically yes but in reailty no

[stark saddle]

what happened

[restive plover]

Slight recoil adjustment and damage falloff nerf.

Still functions the exact same in most scenarios.

[stark saddle]

ak buffed?

[restive plover]

I wish.

[stark saddle]

so fcar still better

[restive plover]

It got its range nerfed at the start of season two.

[restive plover]

Technically akm has better DPS out past 40 meters, but it still has worse sights and recoil.

[stark saddle]

what about the other classes/weapons?

[stark saddle]

ah

[restive plover]

The lewis and m60 both got recoil changes, lewis is a little worse but m60 is much better than before. Sa1216 got both a damage and firerate nerf.

For light the m11 had its hipfire improved while the xp-54 had it worsened.

[gritty swallow]

They also changed all the new weapons

[stark saddle]

ooh thx

[restive plover]

Not significantly outside of the ks-23 being made worse, but it was already kind of bad.

[icy sparrow]

U need to help spread the message to the devs on dagger buff!
Daggers should hook onto walls and ceilings by holding or double tapping secondary attack and wall running for 1.3 seconds after hooking,also fast wall jumping it’s only for getting around vertical places not fast travel so making the dagger more utility based would be nice and remember sword lunge and dash combo can help u fast travel cover large distance and do high damage 360 degrees with auto aim but dagger is just awkward.

Dagger should have fast downwards thrust that do 120damage that’s like sword lunge but downwards so u can hook on walls and ambush players.

Add slide step or a fast half step as a way to get a better angle or wall peek,evade.

Fix the auto aim as u can miss point blank backstabs,fix the input delay for dash as when players r turning it goes in a different direction because of the delay at least for dagger.

Dagger wall jumps should be higher than normal jumps.
U can grapple hook up or dash up and do a downward thrust or u can be stuck up a wall while cloaked and then fall down for ambush so there is synergy will all abilities too

[south estuary]

since the heavy grenade launcher is so bad right now, would it be a good idea to make the alt fire explode on impact and left click make it bounce

[real oracle]

If it exploded on impact that would be too op

Because the grenade launcher actually does a decent amount of damage

[south estuary]

medium grenade launcher does the same, we can just make the reload take longer or something to blanace it out

and lower the damage

right clocking on the grenade launcher doesnt even do anything

[real oracle]

The grenade launcher is more of a supportive weapon

[azure mortar]

anyone else uses the tracking dart? I like scouting for opponents and occasionally watching them get slightly paranoid

[real oracle]

i think a crossbow/bow weapon really suits the finals style

[mellow lodge]

a bow might be coming eventually as one of the devs likes them, and wants one i'm pretty sure

[worthy vigil]

For which class tho

[mellow lodge]

not too sure but i think it would be on medium

[vale pivot]

that would be amazing

[mellow lodge]

if only we didn't get weapons once every 3 damn months

like i'd love one new thing once a month

[vale pivot]

eh, at least the game's mostly balanced and fun

[worthy vigil]

Ahem, yes please 🥹 and Robin Hood cosmetics

[mellow lodge]

if only the balance part was true

[vale pivot]

still more balanced than any game I've seen

[mellow lodge]

i used to be like that until i joined this server and found how many flaws there trully are

to the point where i believe cod games are more balanced 💀

[vale pivot]

Dang

well what flaws are there

[mellow lodge]

well light sucks complete ass competitively, the meta has never changed in this game as well, they don't buff and nerf what is actually needed to

like sure i get it we should be grateful we get weekly patches, but i find it so difficult

i loved this game, but i'm starting to not enjoy it anymore as patch after patch barely anything actually changes, but thats just me

[vale pivot]

well it's probably because you're going competitive

[mellow lodge]

well comp is where balance matters, and i can't even play ranked anyway

[vale pivot]

I'm hard casual, I just play this game once a while with my gf for some fun

[mellow lodge]

yeah if you play it once in a while it's an amazing game, but for those of us who play daily or every two days, seeing nothing change really hurts to see

[vale pivot]

yeah.. I feel you

you should try playing a more wide variety of games

[mellow lodge]

thats why i've stopped playing this and am playing helldivers 2 a lot

[vale pivot]

hows Helldivers?

[mellow lodge]

cause other than this and helldivers there aren't any new multiplayer games worth playing

[mellow lodge]

fun

[vale pivot]

well there's Minecraft

[mellow lodge]

tbf i said new

i play console so minecraft is boring af after hundreds of hours

[vale pivot]

ah, didn't see mb

[vale pivot]

Yeah I was talking more about modded mc

[mellow lodge]

honestly if i had any other fps game i enjoyed i really wouldn't be here, which is a mean thing to say, but i'm tired of seeing nothing change, like yes they are fixing the game, but it's too slow

[vale pivot]

I would say try valorant but too many people hate that game

[mellow lodge]

i am one of those people but thats cause of my irl friends

[polar raven]

modded mc is only good on java

[vale pivot]

well other than that I really can't think of anything

oh well there's Phantom Forces

[mellow lodge]

😂

[vale pivot]

Idk i can't think of anything else 😭

[mellow lodge]

you sound like my irl friends 🤣

[vale pivot]

I'm not trying to lmao

[raven ingot]

me too :) bf and i are goin really slow through all the levels

[vale pivot]

oh neat, what level are you?

[raven ingot]

9 😭

hes at 16 because he was playing a little longer

[vale pivot]

lmao I'm still 14

idk about my gf but she's definitely lower than me

[mellow lodge]

i'm at 57 and want to quit 😭

[raven ingot]

it's a fun casual game for sure. i have a lot of love for the people ive met thru gaming and it's just fun

[vale pivot]

poor guy

[mellow lodge]

my only enjoyment is sword which is one thing they did wonderfully

[vale pivot]

gaming casually is great

[mellow lodge]

how does one game casually?

[vale pivot]

instead of playing to win, play to have fun

like experiment with weapons and gadgets

[mellow lodge]

i do that but i still don't have fun 😭

[vale pivot]

maybe you just played too much

[worthy vigil]

I'm a hard casual too, level 38, still loving it

[mellow lodge]

probably

[worthy vigil]

Just one month in btw

[polar raven]

this game would be more fun without 50 billion glitches and bugs everywhere

[mellow lodge]

wdym you don't love how sword and dagger only hits 50% of the time now?

[polar raven]

very fun indeed

[mellow lodge]

breeze can you tell me more examples so i can dislike this game enough to quit it?

[polar raven]

too many to list just read bug reports

[mellow lodge]

ah right them making a challenge impossible to complete is also a not good thing

[topaz sparrow]

How do I get xp with wallhack?

[worthy vigil]

Wallhacking

[topaz sparrow]

Now the old wallhack mediums had, the new one where they literally hack the wall

[drowsy tusk]

whats the meta loadout for medium?

[elder relic]

Demat-healbeam, fcar/model, jumpad, defib, nade

[clever folio]

The wallhack specialty, famas, frag, explosive mine and defibs

[mellow lodge]

famas is definitely not meta

[clever folio]

Ok

[restive plover]

Nuh uh

[mellow lodge]

i wish it were true as well 😔

[sterile blaze]

buff aim assist rework the stun gun and add more specialisations

[mellow lodge]

and add more guns thats aren'tbad

[sterile blaze]

fr

[sand monolith]

it could be if the fcar wasn’t stupid

[sterile blaze]

BUFF C4S TO HAVE 2 OR JUST DO HIGHER DAMAGE WITH 1

they are absolutely useless rn just a worse version of a breach charge

[sand monolith]

it’s still good wdym

its breach charge with less damage, bigger hitbox, and a ton more destruction

[sterile blaze]

on what planet or universe is a c4 less damage then a breach charge

[sand monolith]

it’s not about realism it’s about balance. and it’s balanced well

[sterile blaze]

its not it literally makes no viable sense to use

it should have 2 but spread out the damage between 2 for balancing atleast then because its useless

[sand monolith]

it is still extremely good. especially in combination with mines. the issue is that you can’t run a build that synergizes well with C4 because dome and and RPG are too op you have to take them

it also drops cashouts on command. which is extremely useful

[sterile blaze]

it is a worse version of a breach charge

which makes literally no sense it should be better its a c4

[clever tiger]

in what game????

[sterile blaze]

they can balance it well but rn its not in a good state and is pretty useless to have

[sterile blaze]

many gadgets can do this on command

[sand monolith]

it’s not about realism lol. in terms of balance, light should have the strongest gadgets anyways. C4 is finally in a spot where it’s good but isn’t required to use anymore

[sterile blaze]

???

[sand monolith]

C4 is great still i use it a lot

[sterile blaze]

did bro just say lights should have the strongest gadgets then talks abt balancing 💀

[sand monolith]

you can also still have 2 C4 down

[clever tiger]

@sand monolith Youre a good boy

[sand monolith]

yes, light should have the strongest gadgets. why would it not?

imagine if gateway, stun, vanish bomb, glitch grenade, etc were on heavy lmao

[clever tiger]

Vanish bomb sucks

[sand monolith]

it was good until they added the passive sound when moving

[clever tiger]

im a top player

[sterile blaze]

all the gadgets should be balanced

[sand monolith]

yes. within their own classes.

[sterile blaze]

between classes

[sand monolith]

no lmao there would never be a reason to use anything but heavy then lol

[heavy tusk]

you're mainly using C4 for building destruction and trap detonation now. I do think it's goofy that breach charge does more damage, but this is off the heels of heavies flinging instant kill lawn chairs at people so I get it

[sand monolith]

it’s the same reason why light has the best weapons. imagine if heavy had the LH1

[sterile blaze]

i mean there is a reason to use different classes they are faster and more evading

gadgets should be all equally viable though and c4 is not

[sand monolith]

light is fast because it needs to be in order to survive. it’s not much of a strength until it gets something to regen faster

[clever tiger]

anyone else majorly dislike sys$ map

[sterile blaze]

they nerfed nukes and fixed the problem so theres no issue with giving c4 a buff

[sand monolith]

i think it’s the best balanced map besides the school area. but it is a little too prevalent rn. i get it’s new but i don’t want to see it 90% of the time

[sand monolith]

C4 was op before nukes were possible

[clever tiger]

Nah the sys map is just so lame

[sterile blaze]

well it needs some sort of a buff, maybe not to what it used to be but just a minor buff because rn its literally useless

[clever tiger]

Idk what it is but I play it too much and its lame, map selection isnt very good imo

[sterile blaze]

nah its good

[sand monolith]

it’s not useless at all it’s great i use it all the time. try using it with mines

[sand monolith]

it has no variants is the issue i think. it’s very repetitive

[sterile blaze]

bro it is useless it does WORSE damage then a breach charge despite being bigger and having more of a charge up time to explode it

that makes no sense at all i do not care what you say

[frank helm]

That's true

[sand monolith]

so in your opinion, all gadgets should be balanced between classes. but you want C4 to have more damage, radius, and destruction than a breach charge?

[frank helm]

Wow

[sand monolith]

idk i think i would take C4 every time then

it’s a trade off. C4 beats breaching charge in certain areas and loses in others. that’s good balancing

[sterile blaze]

ig that makes sense

[sand monolith]

breaching charge is much harder to hit people with as well

[sterile blaze]

but c4s are bigger then breaches and c4s are ass this season

[sand monolith]

maybe C4 could use a cooldown buff. but the utility it provides is fine i think

[heavy tusk]

The only thing I can think of to buff C4 would be to improve distance scaling on the explosion damage or removing the pre-arm detonation damage reduction. One brick of C4 is still enough to kill a light and two puts a heavy into one-tap range

[sterile blaze]

keep the cooldown up the damage on 1 OR give us 2 c4s but nerf the damage by like half

[sand monolith]

that would be cool yeah

[sterile blaze]

then it would be viable and be balanced best of both worlds

[sand monolith]

oh also, blowing the C4 up before it arms should do full damage but only to buildings. it’s obnoxious that it doesn’t and that was never really a balance issue

[sterile blaze]

because in s1 i used to use c4 mines and rpg swapping it out with grenades sometimes but now i use mines rpg and grenades or a pyro/gas

also can we talk abt how useless 2 of the new gadgets are the cube and the data swapper thing tht makes new items different

[sand monolith]

the gravity cube is alright it’s just very situational

it’s great on monaco

[sterile blaze]

its only use is for a cashout or putting it on a stairway so they float for easier shots

[heavy tusk]

I can see some uses for the grav well, but it's mostly just what you'd do with offensive and defensive jump pad placement. Data swapper is seriously lacking outside of it's ability to instantly destroy enemy gadgets

But even then you need to be in handshake range to swap what's likely already a bunker. Maybe it would be more useful if whatever got swapped had bonus damage when thrown, even put the glitch effect from the level 99 outfit on it to show the prop is more dangerous

It's a neat concept, i've just never been that desperate to have a random barrel instead of a potted plant. I have gadgets that are guaranteed to have the effect I want and detonate in less than seven seconds

[clever tiger]

Wild take @sterile blaze! they should keep all 3 classes not remove light???

[heavy tusk]

Remove lights, they're not tall enough to ride this ride

[dusty tulip]

Add RPK for heavies

[heavy tusk]

The ride is called Charge n' Slam

[rough carbon]

Light crossbow, Medium Greatbow, Heavy Ballista?

[sterile blaze]

?

[heavy tusk]

Add KP-9 for lights. The whole team needs to be repping banana mags

[sterile blaze]

wdym

[dusty tulip]

👌

[opaque mica]

way to solve all the gadget drama. For a couple of weeks give all classes all weapons and gadgets and see what happens

then watch the sheer chaos that happens

[bleak plover]

So want would you guys think is the best meta weapons and lodout?

[sour marlin]

i would go heavy with invis and sledge

just walk next to some poor unsuspecting bastard and bash their skull in

[whole swift]

Light running around with flamethrower, or heavy shotgun would be terrifying

[opaque mica]

yes and somewhat amusing

[crisp oriole]

I can already see this is an actual upcoming April fool's event or the like 👍 A true weapon bonaza

[tropic hearth]

buff Goo Gun 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 please

mechanically it's fine but it needs some QoL improvements

[crisp oriole]

Broooo already thinking of abusing the meta holy shit 🤣🤣🤣

[rough carbon]

If you could pick up weapons off your enemies that would be interesting for a nuanced game mode

[opaque mica]

would love it for an event

[restive plover]

Invisible scar wielding heavies.

[opaque mica]

OOf

Dash heavies with sledge

[prime locust]

What's the consensus on FCAR and FAMAS post patch? I haven't had much time to play to feel it out myself

[sand monolith]

fcar still best weapon in the game by far. if anything, feels easier to use because the recoil is smoother

[restive plover]

the mag count is too low though

[sand monolith]

it doesn’t matter when you can always get a kill in one mag

[restive plover]

not if you have piss aim like me

[sand monolith]

oh well yeah but it’s still the best weapon if you’re playing well

[restive plover]

I guess so

[cloud oar]

Heavy flamethrower with charge n slam is busted i love it

[soft latch]

Sword and shield skin for the riot shield

[opaque mica]

general knight themed season for Season 3

would be great.

[dark cloak]

Speaking of riot shield, it's a great idea but it's currently tough to use effectively since you can only hold it up while still/walking. It might be better if you could also hold it up while running.

[sweet thistle]

I agree

[real oracle]

Riot shield and throwing knives need a buff

[glad solstice]

Dolphin or shark skin for med beam?

[sweet thistle]

Dolph

[rough carbon]

like terraria lol

[noble anchor]

Like the famas, takes a while to learn tho

[timber reef]

can we fix the bug when right after medium jump pad your first grab cancels and you have to grab again, its so annoying and not sure why its not fixed, and its pointless if its intended its so fken frustrating and makes the gameplay so clunky

[stoic steeple]

Hello, please pay the anti-cheat subscription fee.

[wanton verge]

is there a reason why you cant ads with the slug shotgun

[soft latch]

Let the revolver to shoot fast when hip fire (similar to that one guy in overwatch)

[static lodge]

no stock, your face would be blasted off by the knockback

Damn this hitreg :(

you can see the coins flying and everything

[mellow lodge]

damn imagine the devs fixing this bug only for it to happen again in season 2

[cloud oar]

Aps turret should only be able to block s limited number of projectiles before breaking.

[static lodge]

Whats so strong about the APS :P seems fine to me, not too strong at all.

Making that number low would make the APS lose its function, making it high would let you just place another APS in time, what number are you thinking about

(also you arent saying this because you played a game of power shift right)

[mellow lodge]

yes where the main problem is, although aps is still pretty decent otherwise as it disabled 2 guns, and like half the gadgets

[static lodge]

Only in a very small area though

[worthy vigil]

Yes please

[wanton verge]

no thanks

[oak kernel]

yeah idk about that

[reef ember]

Any dagger mains in here who can help me out

[unique tusk]

add a jager ads skin for the aps turrets

[oak kernel]

well im not a dagger main but maybe I can help out as a light main?

[reef ember]

Idk man, I’ve been trying it and it’s a 50/50 on whether it works well or not

[oak kernel]

what ability do you run with it?

[reef ember]

Dash

[glad phoenix]

The Hola mola dash you mean

[oak kernel]

well yeah its hard like its melee weapon so depending on the map it wont be consistently good

what gadgets?

[reef ember]

Yeah, it’s great in Vegas but not so much in other maps. I use frag, gas, and the last one I interchange

[glad phoenix]

Seoul is a good map to run for close quarters but unlike Las Vegas it makes you cry 😢

[oak kernel]

no invince bomb?

[reef ember]

I’ll use that for the last slot sometimes, yeah

[oak kernel]

yeah so I would probaly keep the invince bomb

and honestly yes its hard to play with dagger but the try to always make sure the player is always distracted by your teammates or sombody else

thats really important, you can beat a player head on

[reef ember]

Yeah, sometimes with stupid heavies you can just use the main attack and it works lol

[oak kernel]

yeah theres also a trick to that lol

right click and melee right away😂

so after you do the stab in the back the heavy is basically 1 hp

[reef ember]

Ik

Dagger mostly gets free kills from people stealing the cashout honestly

[oak kernel]

yeah true but it also has other uses

honestly just keep going at it

[reef ember]

Alright, thanks

[oak kernel]

and probably advice you to get a team with you with mics

like seriously😂

it really helps to know what teamates are doing so you get your chance to shine

[reef ember]

Coordination in the finals is unbelievably important

[pearl badge]

playing light without a team?

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-wano-luffy-monkey-d-luffy-luffy-wano-gif-25034569

[oak kernel]

yep

[reef ember]

That’s what really stands out about it to me

[oak kernel]

yeah its cool that your trying to do something different than everyone else, honestly trying to be a dagger main is pretty cool but yeah man keep at it and I can bet you'll be the best dagger play for sure

[reef ember]

Maybe not the best but maybe I’ll be up there

Top 50 dagger mains lol

[oak kernel]

you never know😅

[reef ember]

Thanks for the support, see you in the finals

[oak kernel]

🫡

[mellow lodge]

go into the light build main chat we got like 5 of them

[frosty perch]

i think an improvement on the credits store would be to make skins for more than 3 weapons in a pack

[frosty perch]

what

[ember thistle]

weap

[sweet thistle]

Weap-ing

[worldly forum]

lol this shit slaps, it's basically the model from the medium class, slapped into the heavy class with increased dmg, #DontBuffKS-23

[polar raven]

"this thing slaps" also misses 4 shots to finally deal 100 damage after about 10 seconds

[worldly forum]

😂😂 user error but i still kill’em, 🤷‍♂️

[polar raven]

ok and you wouldve done 10x bettter with a differnt gun

[cloud radish]

you would have killed him faster with any other weapons

[polar raven]

if the people you were fighting had any sort of competence you woudlve not gotten a single shot on them

[restive plover]

I mean it still has noticable dispersion even on ads.

Also, increased damage over the 1887? KS does 100 max while model does 128.

[worldly forum]

Any auto weapon, of course lol but the point im trying to make is the all you have to so is flick, add that on top of the massive health pool and 🤷‍♂️

[polar raven]

"all you have to do is flick" yeah hit your shots then if its so easy and you can do so much, its genuinely a terrible weapon and once you play against people with more than 30 minutes in the game youll realise how b ad it is

[worldly forum]

I honestly find aiming with it to be more of a meh factor anyways, hipfiring it works way better for me, & obviously i can move a bit faster non-ads’ing

[worldly forum]

Buddy i have damn near 400hrs on this game, that comment doesn’t work on me, secondly, i favorite this cause it plays similar to the model

[restive plover]

I mentioned that to imply it has a lot of dispersion in general for a weapon that relies on being precise.

Especially since it's also a projectile and not hitscan.

[worldly forum]

I mean I’d personally say the gun just has a slow ass projectile speed, it stays relatively straight, ig one thing i can say about it is that the vertical hits at distance have drop, lmfao which is weird

[sweet thistle]

What's the damage of melee bash?

[restive plover]

40 damage.

[sweet thistle]

And sniper is 115 correct?

[worldly forum]

Yup

[sweet thistle]

Ah so then two dash+snipe+bash against a heavy will kill it

Thinking of using sniper like I use the sword

[polar raven]

dash sniper close range against lights and mediums definitely work not so sure about heavies tho

[worldly forum]

I mean in theory yes but, the sniper’s hipfire can be very wonky at times tho, but its always 115 on hit so a balanced trade off, more consistent then us light’s shotgun dmg anyways so i say go for it

[sweet thistle]

Yeah true, and the 6 bullet mag capacity

Worth a shot

[worldly forum]

Also remember, the time in between shots can also get you killed so make sure your 100% confident in the shots you take LMFAO

[polar raven]

the mag isn't really the problem here

[slate verge]

How are you guys feelin about the M60 vs Lewis Gun atm? was regularly a lewis gun player and swapped to the m60 after people said that it feels easier to control, but i'm feeling the opposite atm

it probs just could be that I need to get readjusted to it, but it feels a lot more wild when spraying compared to the lewis

[polar raven]

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[silver locust]

god that recording looks clean, what res is that? looks like youre playing with motion blur on lol

[worldly forum]

You would be correct mes ami, 1080p 60fps with motion blur turned on, and i have vsync on w/frame limit set to 240, lmfao i make sure my recordings are smooth

[silver locust]

do you feel much of a drop in frames when you record? i used to record but i feel the tiny bit of input latency so i don't bother

[pseudo owl]

how do people feel about the ks23? Been a while since I've played but my god does it feel underwhelming. 3 headshots to kill a medium

[polar raven]

headshots don't deal extra damage and yeah it's pretty bad

[pseudo owl]

wait they got rid of headshot multipliers?

[polar raven]

don't think it was ever there

[pseudo owl]

there was in season 1 and the betas : (

[polar raven]

what

[pseudo owl]

atleast the last time i played. Or is there only no headshot multipliers for that gun?

[polar raven]

ks is a new weapon?

[pseudo owl]

Oh i just meant like are there no headshot multipliers in the game anymore or just the ks?

[polar raven]

nah just shotguns in general

[pseudo owl]

ah womp womp.

seems like an odd choice for slugs to get not extra benefit from being slugs

[polar raven]

yeah ik I also think it should have a hs multiplier but rn it doesn't

[pseudo owl]

maybe one day. I honestly just wish it had buckshot.

[polar raven]

would be a good way to buff it if it got like a 20% hs multiplier

[worldly forum]

Umm no, everything feels 1:1 whenever i record but im sure its latency present, just not enough to effect anything physically/visually, now if i were to be recording in 4k with high/ultra settings or something crazy like that to where im reaching my systems high point, then yea ill definitely have some noticeable latency due to my system taking in alot of things at once.

Also your network plays a part in latency issues, make sure you have viable internet to where you can actually do multiple streaming task at once without issue.

[icy sparrow]

💥Why can’t the devs make a decent nerf?!
The meta is m11 and Lewis gun they were supposed to reduce damage of Lewis gun and increase the recoil of m11 but every match I don’t see any other weapons.

Why nerf other weapons and still have these have a fast time to kill on m11 and Lewis like who the hell is using the heavy ks shotgun,it’s an inferior revolver!
Just increases ks damage and bullet drop.
I swear the people who balance the game r dumb nerf one gun to uselessness and make one op.
The medium grenade launcher is spammy and annoying too especially to lights as u can shoot near the leg for 2 hit kill no skill but u have to actually aim with a shotgun for a 2 hit kill.
Why?!!

[mellow lodge]

well m11 is meta but so is the xp and lh1

[polar raven]

m11 is NOT meta

[icy sparrow]

Nope I rarely see them being used,it’s Lewis gun for heavy and m11 for light,I mean it’s easy for me as well but i don’t like fast time to kill call of duty type gameplay

[mellow lodge]

oh hey congrats on red name breeze

[mellow lodge]

do you play ranked?

[icy sparrow]

Never tried it just casual

[polar raven]

what weapon do you use mainly

[icy sparrow]

Shield or ak for medium
Xp and sword for light
Hammer and try to use ks for heavy

[mellow lodge]

well casual is full of people that are either new or don't try their best to win

where lh1 and xp are scary to use for them as being far away takes skill to control recoil

[polar raven]

its not recoil m11 just has better hipfire

[icy sparrow]

I am very specific with m11 or and Lewis plus rpg combo or else I have nothing to complain about

[icy sparrow]

Exactly that’s why most use m11

[mellow lodge]

that doesn't mean it's meta though

[polar raven]

@icy sparrow once you play against better people and also once you play better you wont complain about m11 anymore lol

[mellow lodge]

well no matter what gun heavy has as long as rpg exists as a delete half your health or most of your health heavy will be awful

[icy sparrow]

No hipfire no recoil isn’t meta huh?

[mellow lodge]

not when range is only 10m

[icy sparrow]

Oh yeah cloak is a huge problem which is why they get so close to begin with

[mellow lodge]

ew why would you run cloak on m11

[icy sparrow]

I don’t

[mellow lodge]

i was speaking in general, should've been clearer sorry

[icy sparrow]

Cloak got a buff cause I used to be able to see it but now it’s point black hard to read

[polar raven]

it got nerfed

[icy sparrow]

Not visually

[mellow lodge]

i'm waiting for the nerf of cloak called good game audio 😔

[icy sparrow]

The same goes for mines too

[mellow lodge]

theres no good way to put it other than get better at looking

[polar raven]

no it got nerfed visually too, its easier to see

[icy sparrow]

Lucky u

[polar raven]

what

[soft shale]

I don't find the RPG broken right now, with the nerfs it got. I've played a lot with and against it. Yes, it can be decisive in some situations. But its cooldown usually means it won't be shot more than once per fight. It gets negated by APS, and countered by dome/barricade/mesh, which can all absorb a direct hit. What can make it stronger than frag grenades besides the range, is its ability to remove an enemy from a fight, if he falls through the floor. Still a staple of the Heavy class, but I personally don't brainlessly use it when playing that class.

[quiet tusk]

buff ak

[polar drum]

nerf c4 you should have to cut the red wire or blue wire to pick it back up and it has a 50% chance of killing you instantly

[supple oracle]

sometimes i wished ks-23 dint exist and instead we had a 4-bore rifle for heavy

[late lark]

I'd like to have like an gadget that can launch or sometinh

[soft shale]

I don't even use C4 in my kit in S2, although it was a staple in S1. They nerfed nukes into oblivion which I guess was a popular request, and I'm 100% fine with it no being part of Heavy gameplay anymore. However, reducing it from 2 to 1 was a step too far IMO.

[timid sandal]

Is the breach charge even worth to carry in a light loadout

For some reason the delay is a turn off for me

I will admit it’s a saving Grace when you’re turned around a stair well trying to find the cash out box

[slim linden]

https://x.com/CNSBot/status/1774853013099757822?s=20

WHYY

CNS (@CNSBot) on X

Our favouite gun has lost the iconic sight it once had in todays patch (2.2.1) #REACHTHEFINALS

Twitter · Apr 1, 2024, 5:35 PM

[soft shale]

Well I guess you want to avoid the suicidal throws at chasing enemies. Mines have a delay for the same reason.

[worn smelt]

I honestly don't understand the purpose of this

[supple oracle]

On the breaching charge?, yeah i also don't, but the C4 is to probably prevent "Yeet and immediatly explode and kill the enemy"

breaching really does not need it though

[timid sandal]

I tried to use it for a trap when people cash out but it’s mostly shot at, most times I use it when I’m in a rush and can’t find the right floor for cash out

But in that situation I just go heavy and smash my way through instead

Still trying to find my groove with light build I’m a mostly Medium heal kinda guy

[soft shale]

I think it's really meant to be a tool to open up entries around the map more than a weapon. Light gameplay already annoys quite a lot of players, let's not add instant breach charge suicide kills on top of it lol.

[timid sandal]

True dat it’s already annoying when you see a giant STUNNED on your screen

[soft shale]

That said I never really used it, because I never felt like Light really needed a dedicated wall/floor/ceiling opener. You can just move around the map so fast anyway.

Or use red canisters

[wild galleon]

bring back scar irons from the beta
throw that optic on the lh1 instead

[opaque mica]

I can assure you buddy that is very much not true

[opaque mica]

they do just because of how much clutter from all the other destruction but also the light can do it to open up pathways out for themselves and (though rarely) for teammates.

Heavy just is the best for destruction but every class should absolutely have at minimum one destruction tool.

[soft shale]

Yes I agree

[edgy breach]

havent played since the update is there any new metas for heavy builds or are they the same?

[sweet thistle]

Yesssss pls pls pls

[sweet thistle]

Optics on the LH1 but reduce ammo capacity to 10 or 12

[restive plover]

Are you fucking kidding me?

Oh wait I forgot what today is.

[rough carbon]

lol

gottem

[restive plover]

I have been duped and must regain my honor through seppuku.

[wild galleon]

i hate april fools day
except for the dumb video game updates
i do enjoy those

[clever folio]

akm is averagely underrated

[unborn snow]

what is the meta weapon for light

[hardy dust]

Lh1 or xp

[supple oracle]

I tried using cheat engine on another game and they literally made it unusable with their Aprill fools "Cheat engine bit-coin" spam message, can't even use the program
i mean, go ahead and do the bit-coin joke, but why lock the program, i can't even use it today

[potent temple]

Have you tried... not cheating?