💣┇weapons-gadgets

[night cobalt]

?

[gray burrow]

imma give the taurus raging bull a go.

[compact linden]

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD PLEASE BAN SNIPERS FROM RANKED THIS WEAPON IS SOOOO ASS AND I KEEP GETTING THOSE FUCKING BRAINDEAD IDIOTS WHO THROW ALL OF MY RANKED GAMES WTF

[stark kayak]

yes dome shield is extremely useful

[warm lava]

Your joking right?

[naive bear]

im not going to carry a team with two players who havent played video games before

[ember blade]

no...

[naive bear]

I refuse to play with noob revolver and sniper players, pick a different gun or play powershift to learn the damn game

[warm lava]

The Flamethrower is only good in very close range and its actual damage isn't great either

[naive bear]

no, the heavy would always outdps a light then, and the gun optics are for special guns only and hvy is probably never going to get one

the XP54 and FCAR got sights to differentiate themselves from the other machine guns in their weapon class.

The heavy classes lmgs are supposed to have odd iron sights to make them harder to aim because if it was easy to aim you have some 50+ bullets to send at anyone and kill them very easily.

[warm lava]

Wat

That makes no sense what you just said

Having strange sights on mg is rediculous

It doesn't effect ttk either

The supposed pistol has no iron sights

@naive bear every thing you just said made no sense

Optics aren't for special weapons

[last shell]

Medium build

[naive bear]

Because it has good irons bro.

The sight does effect usage, it makes then easier to use

Heavies guns dont need to be easier to use they are good enough already

[warm lava]

um

most of the heavy guns arnt that good

adding sights wouldnt change a thing

the m60 is awful outside of close range

they should just get rid of bloom

And add sights to every weapons

[rough carbon]

I got a feeling weapons might have mods later down the line

[glad solstice]

Fire Hose when

[warm lava]

Sniper isn't op or anything it's just to many people use it

[junior salmon]

The only thing i want to see fixed is the accuracy. I think sniper state is fine in terms of balancing.

[shrewd mortar]

I feel like adding weapon mods would be nice Especially for guns that don’t have sights normally

[junior salmon]

I mean, it's a sniper, hipfire shouldn't be as acurate as other weapons but maybe when you are literally sniffing him and still miss it's like wtf.

[noble gate]

Wow ,that would go hard

[sour marlin]

doesnt anyone else mess up with the thermal vision? i always accidentally double click with it so i get a flash of grey and then its on cd lol

[tawny pebble]

I forgot thermal existed lmao

[sterile blaze]

add a bow or crossbow weapon that 1 taps

medium and light

[clever tiger]

??

[hallow leaf]

Add a ballista and a cannon for heavy

[sterile blaze]

the heavy needs a sniper with 1 bullet like a barrett

just 1 shots anything but obviously its like slow reload and very vulnerable

[restive plover]

add an smg that 1 shots heavys for light

[rough carbon]

Greatbow or crossbow bolts/arrows could be temporary footholds/platforms.

[sterile blaze]

bro just wants more ratty behaviour ingame

[restive plover]

it also can pierce through walls and shield

[sterile blaze]

thats even worse 💀

are u being sarcastic or sum shit bro

[rough carbon]

shoot it while hopping backwards to backwards speedboost bunnyhop

[restive plover]

guess

[restive plover]

makes an impenetrable shield of bullets around you

[rough carbon]

this might work if we ever had asymetrical combat, like a solitary juggernaut player by themselves against three teams

[restive plover]

I think the cash box turns into a bomb that goes to the team that has the least cash/kills/score

[rough carbon]

Like a slow moving death skull in mayhem 10 borderlands

[restive plover]

What is the best heavy build?

[rough carbon]

its kinda subjective, the slam is nice, the goo gun is demoralizing if played right and the shield is the so called meta by power shift and even competitive

for teamplay

[calm grove]

best light build now? didnt really play since release just wanna know

[blazing crescent]

stun gun
Xp 54/lh1
Glitch grenade
Empty spot for preference

[steady wave]

93r is trash

[rough carbon]

xp54 is almost too good, the semi auto rifle is great too

personally I enjoy sword, I like the movement potential

[restive plover]

i like use scar

[deft moon]

Emabark needs to nerf stun gun

This shit last for too long

[hallow leaf]

no, they need to REMOVE it

[deft moon]

Good idea

Btw AK for medium needs to be buffed

No one is using it on ranked

[mellow lodge]

no the need to rework it

[tawny pebble]

I just want a way to fight back if im using the sledgehammer

[lone berry]

You could use your Rocket Launcher or they could add a shockwave thing but it only hits grounded targets

[tawny pebble]

cant switch to it while stunned though

just forced to sit there with my hammer out letting the tiny man fill me with bullets

or did they change it so you can pull the rocket launcher out while stunned?

[lone berry]

This would have to have the downside of having to look down to use it so they don’t have a very consistent counter to range

[glad solstice]

were you ever able to hold the knife backstab indefinitly? I could see why it would be OP but like damn you can hold sword charge

[mellow lodge]

in open beta you could i believe

[glad solstice]

makes sense

[buoyant schooner]

yea i sometimes do that

[glad solstice]

can we get house hold appliance skins?

turn the APS into a blender?

[tawny pebble]

blender noises when it stops a projectile?

[bold tide]

gm

[woven cradle]

Is it just me or does the SR-84 need a buff (I joined two days ago)

Also I can’t tell but can I both have cloak on and thermal vision

[autumn dirge]

What do people think of the new burst pistol . It looks like it might have a little better dps at close range than the xp but it for sure has way worse dps at range

[mellow lodge]

dogshit weapon

and it have awful dps

[autumn dirge]

Its kill time isn’t bad if you click as soon as the burst is over

I think it has a goood headshot multiplier too

[mellow lodge]

it's 1.5x like most other weapons

[autumn dirge]

I havent actually measured it but im pretty sure the TTK is faster than the XP at medium and close ranges

[mellow lodge]

no it's ttk is bad

[autumn dirge]

but you know its way worse at range so even if it is a bit better at close range its still going to be worse overall

[tawny temple]

I have mixed feeling about the famas,on one hand it’s fun to use on the other, not really what i would choose over AK

[autumn dirge]

the dmg fall off is so bad

[tawny temple]

Fr? I never try it long range before

[autumn dirge]

yeah I was just at the training range the difference between the FVAR and the famas at range is very large

[tawny temple]

I always try to keep it mid for famas so i never go for a long tap.

But man the slug shotgun drop off is punishing as heck

[forest holly]

How do you equip your league reward weapon skins?

[tawny temple]

it should be in the skin option just like every other skin

[oblique solstice]

They gotta buff the range dps

[tawny temple]

tbf the pistol was meant to be close range,but a little bit of buff range would be nice,the damage fall off seems to be very noticeable too fast.

[warped shadow]

S2 league rewards are granted after the season ends

[oblique solstice]

Which makes it extremely difficult to take out people considering how quick your health drains

[sour marlin]

im a noob but i enjoy throwing smokes around so my position is hidden and then turning on thermal so i can hit them but they cant hit me

[sour marlin]

the famas long range damage is fine, you just have to control the kick better

[autumn dirge]

Nope

Melts with fcar, takes a few burst with famas. Even with controlling the burst

[sour marlin]

hm i see

i really like the famas, but im not sure what it is about it that draws me to it lol. i know the fcar has pretty easy recoil but for some reason i cant nail it down

[autumn dirge]

At mid range it honestly a preference whats better

[sour marlin]

at longer ranges ill just shoot at the knees with the famas and the last bullet will usually headshot

[autumn dirge]

I think smoke has potential but there’s so many good gadgets in the game its hard to fit it in

[robust slate]

bullshit game.

[trail hamlet]

STOP ADS WALLHACK

[polar raven]

nope the ttk is so ass

[soft latch]

Super soaker skin for flame thrower
Shuriken skin for throwing knives

[distant hawk]

MG34 or MG42 when ???

[sour marlin]

that makes sense. i like to use the sniper in las vegas and ill do a goofy little ninja smoke bomb maneuver when i get engaged on (i havent unlocked the invis bomb yet lol)

[elder portal]

What’s the best heavy weapon right now? I’m struggling to figure that out after the Lewis and shotgun got nerved??

[topaz sparrow]

Still Lewis

But most are usable

[golden ember]

What’s the best light build

I’m going very well with the starter gun

[supple mesa]

IDEAS For new gadgets:

1. Holographic decoy projector
2. Temporal disruptor (slows down opponents' movements)
3. Laser based mines
4. Teammate disruption. See teammate as enemy and can kill.
5. Remote-controlled drone for surveillance and attacks
6. Anti drone.
7. Nano-swarm grenade (releases a swarm of nanobots to attack opponents)
8. Hyperspeed serum (temporarily increases movement speed)
9. Cyclone grenade (creates a powerful vortex that pulls in opponents)
10. Target-seeking missiles
    11 Wall-climbing / stick to wall gloves
11. Portable healing station
12. Sit-in turret
13. Coin siphon (drains opponents' Coins)
14. Phase disruptor (temporarily phases opponents into random area)

[proud schooner]

Suggestion: add the ability to swap gadget placement after death in ranked. It's a minor quality of life change that will only do us good. I had my gadgets in the wrong places after fiddling at the start of the match and it threw me off a couple of times

[fervent rain]

Question what do yall think are the best light gadgets for ranked? I primarily use evasive dash with taser grenade and vanish bomb but for ranked I switch grenade for glitch I used to use the teleport but im not sure whats best

[worn smelt]

the best light gadgets are definitely stun gun, glitch, vanish, frag, sonar, thermal

[fervent rain]

Yea ik the best but I can only carry three at a time loool

[worn smelt]

but tbh you can play any gadgets you want as long as they work well with eachother. my friend's light build is dash, m11, vanish, smoke, thermal and it works well for him

[worn smelt]

it depends on what you want to do and your weapon

[fervent rain]

Xp54 but I’m thinking I keep glitch grenades and take out vanish for teleport

[limber gull]

My favs: 1, 2, 3, 4, 7, 8, 9, and 11

[wise briar]

Do u feel like when shooting the model 1887 when you are in the middle of reloading felt just way too slow?

It takes like damn 2 seconds

[worn smelt]

i really like gateway, it's definitely got a lot of potential

[fervent rain]

Yea it’s good I wish they would make it faster tho like the deploy time and giving us an option to cancel with first gateway if we want to change the location without throwing both down

[worn smelt]

yeah sometimes I'll throw the first one then hold the 2nd just in case I need to use it, and if I don't use it I still have to throw the 2nd one to get back the first after waiting for the cooldown

[fervent rain]

Yea I do the same to get out quickly so I can over extend but unless I have a few seconds to get away behind cover I can’t throw it down fast enough and activate it

But it’s good to keep near the cashout or get to high ground or even go in and do more risky stuff and use the second one to escape

[worn smelt]

I like to put the gateway on top the cash out and the other on a roof that looks down at it so my teammates and I can drop all types of grenades through to stop people from stealing

[near onyx]

don’t you guys think that the sa1216 is nerfed too much?💀it’s your fault to let a heavy get too close to you,not sa1216’s,

[supple oracle]

lewis and f-car should be in the nerf chopping block next

stun gun is in the Removal chopping block

[worn smelt]

instead of removing stun gun adding something that counters it would be better

[supple oracle]

No

[near onyx]

and for now the game has just turned into another overwatch in various senses,you can’t just simply nerf something that youtuber says they’re op,it’s faking ridiculous

[worn smelt]

what do you run that makes you hate stun so much

[supple oracle]

does not matter what i run,braindead ability/gadget like recon senses shouldn't be a thing anyway

[worn smelt]

recon got removed, stun isn't the same as recon?

[near onyx]

yeah,like what i said,simply nerf or remove it only make the player more frustrated,make something counter it is much better @

[worn smelt]

people just want anything they don't like nerfed into the ground or removed entirely

[near onyx]

agree

[supple oracle]

you really do not see the problem of "Creating X gadget to counter X gadget"

stun gun the way it works now is a frustrating gadget that you cannot do anything because light can just magically appear before you and get rid of 90% of your options with a click of a button

if it worked EXACTLY like the glitch grenade, but instead its a projectile against 1 person, i would be fine with it

but the way it is now is dumb and shouldnt have been a thing

[worn smelt]

I could say the same thing about rpg for lights, one click and over 90٪ of my hp is just gone

[supple oracle]

i agree on that too

[worn smelt]

but I don't think rpg needs a nerf

[near onyx]

since the nuke is completely useless (and i don’t think it should disappear like this),people find that they can approach a heavy much easier, but they don’t have a awareness that you shouldn’t get too close to a heavy,and the sa1216 is the price you need to cost,however ,they choose to nerf it so they won’t need to take too much risk

[supple oracle]

speaking of nuke, WHY DID THEY NERF C4 CHARGES TO 1?!?

this is the most uneeded change, why would i take C4 over Rocket for destruction?, rocket is even more versatile in use than 1 single stick of C4

[near onyx]

so if this is the right way to balance each weapon,light’s bunch of weapons and fcar should get into hell

[supple oracle]

45s to 30s aint gonna cut the loss of 1 less charge, i am still mad about this

[worn smelt]

probably to be more in line with breach charge for lights

[supple oracle]

god i hope not, theres a distinct difference from breach charge to a C4

[near onyx]

holy moly that’s what i think about, actually i don’t use too much c4 on the nuke,more on breaking wall or making trap,but the new change makes it almost useless

[worn smelt]

not what i meant, the breach charge only has 1 charge. tbh they could increase the damage of c4 to do a little more to the environment and back to 120 damage to players and it would still be fine (keeping it only 1 charge tho)

[supple oracle]

No, i do not care how many "buffs" they give to C4 after its nerf, 1 charge is ridiculous, C4 is what i used when i wanted to destroy the enviroment, and they just got rid of 1 charge in exchange for 15s less on cooldown, that aint cutting it, theres no reason to take it over RPG that can do the same amount of destruction

[near onyx]

agree

[supple oracle]

oh,forgot to mention, unlike C4, RPG can do it at a distance!

stupid change and i just can't stop being mad at this, ugh

[worn smelt]

think they made the charge 1 so heavies can stack 2 c4s on the cash out and use them like a remote mine

[supple oracle]

then just use mines..

[worn smelt]

people were already using the c4 as mines when they werent nuking

[supple oracle]

and was it ever a problem to begin with?

[worn smelt]

made it impossible to steal without betting blown up

[supple oracle]

you mean you cant "shoot" the C4 like you can against mines?

any explosive would detonate the c4 and any mines around it

[worn smelt]

they do so much more environment damage that if you did you'd destroy everything around it. you werent able to shoot the c4s and steal if there was another team alive

[supple oracle]

honestly im fine with all of the C4 nerfs, except the charge amount, that was unholy unecessary and completely killed it

[worn smelt]

they might end up giving it 2 charges again, since they nerfed it so much bc no one uses it anymore

[supple oracle]

killing the heavy removes it and prevents heavy from activating it

explosives of any kind blows it up
SHOOTING WITH A GUN also does the trick

if you dont want it blowing up, then use data reshaper or deal with the consequences of the cash box being on the move once the c4 and all mines around it blows up

C4 on cashout was never an issue after the first nerfs

[worn smelt]

well the data reshaper wasnt in the game when there were 2 charges on the c4

[supple oracle]

fair

[near onyx]

actually the light player’s opinion should be ignored most,they just want to get into the war zone and get out without any damage by pressing their BIG RED Q button by it dead brain ,and complain about why they are too easy to die,why don’t you learn to avoid damage and use your brain to cut into a right timing ，please don’t not asking nerf the source of damage you this little ah*

[supple oracle]

makes me think why the glitch grenade does not properly deactivate mines and other "prone to explode" gagdets

like why does it not destroy gadgets instead?, gas mine is still there and 1 stray explosive from blowing it up and covering the cashout

[worn smelt]

glitch gernade doesnt need to get touched imo. its already really good

[supple oracle]

just wished that a "Anti-gadgets" grenade could properly destroy mines instead of just deactivating them, or atleast stopping them from exploding even after you shoot them

[worn smelt]

data reshaper

[supple oracle]

well, one is for light and the other is for medium

but i guess for data reshaper for completely removing the presence of mines and such but having to get close to use seems fair, compared to the throwable nature of the glitch grenade

[proud schooner]

I'm not interested, but just for consistency,
Throwing Knives don't have level 7 (!)

[worn smelt]

they give different classes different gadgets, guns, and specializations for a reason. its a team based objective game. yeah it sucks if you are solo queuing. each class is supposed to have different roles and do different things

[supple oracle]

not gonna lie, if it wasnt for tracking dart and sensor grenade being moved from medium to light, i would never have bothered continuing playing light

i couldnt bring much that would benefit my team before, atleast now i have something that clicks

[near onyx]

btw my game has crashed for 133286 times today,i swear i counted

[worn smelt]

you can make a ticket

[patent bloom]

in my opinion riot shield should be reworked in a way that the shield is behind your back while youre not using the weapon itself, sorta like a passive ability. because right now its kinda purposeless because its easy to counter by any grenade or gas, and its not consistent vs bullets because of hitbox, + its right click ability is almost pointless, enemies can still kill you by shooting in your feet y know? thats why i think it should be reworked, or maybe at least a hitbox of the shield needs to be fixed

[supple oracle]

@subtle aspen not to mention most invis counters is from light himself:Sonar grenade,tracking dart, heat vision

heavy gets motion sensor and medium at best glitch mine

[pearl jungle]

it would take 30 hours to count to that.

[subtle aspen]

yeah thats what I dislike atm, the 1v1s are near impossible with invis , stun, tele

[supple oracle]

Fix the hitbox and be done, no need to add extra things that are possibly going to bring more headache

[worn smelt]

not impossible, invis stun, tele allow lights to actually 1v1 mediums and heavies without dying instantly

lights would be completely useless without it the way the class is now. that's why most lights use invis, stun, or teleport

[strange trout]

Why did I only just find out that the throwing knifes have a secondary fire...

[worn smelt]

it's not very good 😕

[supple oracle]

relying on those tools as crutches is really bad and also shows that its only the most annoying gadgets that rile people to say "NERF LIGHT" when its the fault of the devs for not balancing light well enough without having him be so damn annoying to fight

except the teleport, teleport is fine

i am biased in my opinion since i dont use any of those

[worn smelt]

if stun and invis are removed, light class would have to be completely reworked. they aren't good enough to warent them being removed tho. there is enough counterplay and the devs will probably continue to add counters over time

[supple oracle]

a rework would be most welcomed if it means deleting those shitty annoying no skill gadgets
fuck them

maybe then light will stop being made of glass and be made of cardboard next

[worn smelt]

I'll agree, stun is pretty brain dead, any good light will just get a free kill off it but invis is fun needs skill to use. (managing your cooldown, using spacing so enemies can't see your shadow, using it flank and entry frag for your team)

[supple oracle]

i would be fine with invis if it were more easy to see MOVING lights and LOUDER, they can stay 100% invisible while not moving and if i die because i was ambushed by walking right into its nest i deserve to die

but yes, i would be more happy with stun gun and invis removal

[worn smelt]

I think all footsteps should be easier to hear In general. I feel like I can only hear footsteps when someone is on the floor above me but can barely hear footsteps when a heavy rolls up behind me

[supple oracle]

i have been having the same goddamn problem and its making me mad,HOW THE HELL do i NOT hear a 800-pound gorilla running around me and ready to napalm my ass?

[worn smelt]

you just have to stay aware of the sound cue for when they activate invis tbh the sound is pretty loud

[supple oracle]

im saying the sound cues or rather theres a lack of sounds sometimes

[worn smelt]

the worst is when you are fighting one guy and mid fight or right after you just die and then you see his teamate to your left in your blind spot

[worn smelt]

if they make footsteps and sound cues better, invis and other frustrations will decrease a lot

[rancid cobalt]

Did the fcar get nerfed

[worn smelt]

not since the 2.0 patch?

[lone berry]

Give lights a tripwire if a team runs over it they are detected kinda like sensor but only on doorways

[boreal hill]

they just took the mediums scouting how much more do they need lol

[pearl jungle]

yeah but it’s AWESOME

[obsidian swift]

Is Goo Grenades are easy to use ? And is there playable at high rank ?

[worn smelt]

this is just the tripwire sensor but worse

[lone berry]

I was giving more ideas in gen chat like you could fill them with a barrel to explode or fire them

[autumn dirge]

I havent tested it in the training thing yet but is the heavy LMG (dont remember the name actually) with the lewis gun now

[worn smelt]

trap gadgets are generally given to mediums and heavies. what you just described can be done with a mine

[restive plover]

Me and my friend play as 2 heavys + a random

What loadout should we use?
Super
Weapon
And gadgets

[glass torrent]

What gadgets do you recommend for adults?

[frank timber]

Goo sledge 🥰

[glass torrent]

The big one

[restive plover]

?

[steel chasm]

Also fcar nerf when?

[drifting prism]

i miss the light motion sensors 🥲

[viral plover]

i miss them too 😭😭 idk why heavys have them its so weird

[robust flower]

Can guardian turrets be nerfed

[maiden trellis]

Day I lost count of asking for a dagger buff

[atomic silo]

I found some official advanced tutorial videos somewhere in this discord the other day… one shows a really sick move you can do with the grappling hook. Does anyone know where I can find these videos? I can’t seem to find them…

[slate vapor]

Rpg should have (more) knockback, and sword should do 1 mor dmg, please

[strange trout]

Did they fix the bug where cash earned in power shift doesn't count toward the 50mill?

[solar sleet]

can we get a buff to the new weapons i would like to run them more but they feel inconsistent compared to their predecessors

the burst pistol could use more ammo if not just a reflex so I'm incentivised to land headshots despite the low ammo count

the famas could use more damage or a more spammable burst, im tempted to request for a scope for it but tbh it wont mean much when you can still get shredded by other guns in close range

the slug shotgun could use an accuracy buff when moving and sliding around right now its in a very weird spot for fights not good enough for medium range as well as close range. i got shredded by most weapons just using jt.

[robust wing]

Flamethrower + gas grenade = fun

[chilly turret]

My friend just figured out today that the alt attack for dagger was a backstab 💀

[boreal hill]

yeah i think they all need a buff too, i cant believe they made the slug shotgun projectile it feels horrible

[elder relic]

Damn I miss the good old times when we had private servers to play so we could kick the cheaters on sight. This game is plagued with these chinese hackers. That's really terrible.

[tawny ledge]

I wish the throwing knifes had a different right click, like a charge and release the waiting multiple seconds doesn't feel good.

[mellow lodge]

does it have to be in the game currently?

[tawny ledge]

Dematerializer for sure

[mellow lodge]

no my irl wall hacks 😭

[spring vale]

healing beam, duh

[chilly turret]

Charge N’ Slam, I can jump from any height and survive as long as I do the funny slam (and I can run through walls)

[restive plover]

Charge n' slam for the physical strength.

[mellow lodge]

well you still take fall damage irl

[chilly turret]

nuh uh

I could definitely do demolition and/or construction work

[robust gate]

I just tried out the grenade launcher and i feel like it takes too long to kill people

[scarlet bone]

there needs to be a restriction on how many APS-T on 5v5s, or make a restriction on how many mediums can be in one game. 5 Mediums in one game is the most toxic thing ever

[pallid lintel]

I like using the shotty on medium rtn, is it just me or does it feel like I need to be dead Center crosshair in order to get a hit

[torn mason]

You do. The spread is so tight that the gun functions almost more as a slug rather than a buck shot

[spring vale]

so? you can patent the design and become a multi billionare and a medical icon just like that

[lethal yoke]

You could do that with the dematerializer or cloaking too

Not to the same extent I guess

[spring vale]

medical beam is the only correct pick here

[lethal yoke]

Dash would be sick to use

True lmao

[spring vale]

no, they wouldn't, medical tech like that would make America so immensely rich, and having one billionare who controls it isnt all that uncommon, take bezos, musk and Zuckerberg. BEsides as long as it brings in money, the fed couldnt car eless what you do

the government may suck, but one thing they love is money

[graceful pagoda]

No more weapons for light
Add bow and arrow for medium
Add Desert Eagle and/or a sniper for heavy 🙂

[stray slate]

Desert eagle isn’t practical even IRL according to some people i know with it… plus deagle in most games ends up sucking anyway

Plus, slug shotgun 💀

[mellow lodge]

which is ass

[stray slate]

Yep sure is

Maybe too satisfying when it works💀

[mellow lodge]

also deagle and revolver are always very similar in any game so with a revolver already existing it's kinda pointless to add a deagle

[stray slate]

True

[mellow lodge]

like i don't think i've ever seen a game where the deagle isn't just a better revolver in every way making the revolver pointless

[azure terrace]

Add akimbo weapons

[mellow lodge]

which akimbo weapons and for which class

[hallow leaf]

akm and fcar

[glad solstice]

cant wait for riot shield buff

[hallow leaf]

its getting a buff?

[glad solstice]

no but thats a good idea they should look into that

Feels like it cant compete with other melees aswell, and going from swing to block is way to slow

[tender gulch]

Stun shouldn't disable gadgets

[oak pagoda]

make the grenade blow more shit up

[glad solstice]

just use your gadgets before you get stunned

[mellow lodge]

they have a clear difference though

one has a higher mag capacity and is more forgiving

whereas revovler is literally pointless to use when a deagle exists, as every single deagle i've seen also one shot headshots is quicker to fire and has a higher mage size

[karmic saffron]

Pre yap

[near onyx]

why not rebuff sa1216 too…it should be a big threaten for close range,but now it just “can work “

[mellow lodge]

the sa1216 does not need a redbuff, being able to kill a heavy before you recharge the 4 burst was way too strong

[near onyx]

then rebuff the fire rate,and i still believe that it’s your fault to get too close to a shotgun heavy,even if yourself is a heavy

[mellow lodge]

why tf are you as a heavy not in the frontline?

also it's as if this is a fast paced shooting game where enemies can flank and run at you

[glad solstice]

I agree the heavy needs a sniper rifle so that I dont have to be in said frontline

[sinful vessel]

Are u sure ?

[glad solstice]

it would fix all issues in the game this is true

[near onyx]

Standing on the front line does not mean having close contact，It is also your responsibility to remain vigilant on the flanks

[mellow lodge]

ok an enemy heavy with mess shield walks towards you when you have the objective, what do you do? run away?

[sinful vessel]

Maybe need scope rifle

[mellow lodge]

heavy has a sniper it just fuckin sucks rn

[sinful vessel]

Another bad teammate

[near onyx]

nowadays the shield has been nerfed enough,you can just break it with your teammates on the high ground ,if you’re talking about a 1v1,getting into this situation only means that you are in a wrong position

[mellow lodge]

What highground you having with 90% of the objectives?

[sinful vessel]

High ground doesn’t give u any thing

And low ground

[near onyx]

……….

[smoky timber]

RPG needs to benerfed

[restive plover]

Buffed, actually.

The self damage is overtuned.

[proud parcel]

The M11 was needlessly buffed. It was perfectly fine where it was.

[smoky timber]

wrong

[proud parcel]

Nope. If you couldn't use it before it's because you're dogshit.

[smoky timber]

XP 54 outshined it in every way. Still does. needed the buffs

[proud parcel]

The MP5 is easier to use. Not necessarily better. To reiterate: If you couldn't use it before it's because you're dogshit.

It's too accurate for it's dps now. If you think otherwise it's becuase you're a delusional moron.

[mellow lodge]

Xp is better for anything greater than 10m

[near onyx]

agree，light should not be buffed anymore ,since most player’s consciousness are pathetic

[smoky timber]

Same dps as FCAR (best gun the game) so yes it is better. Better damage (consistent) and easier to use. You're just wrong

[proud parcel]

That's part of why it's easier to use. I've preferred the M11 since the beta tests. It was fine. and Hades just sucks ass at the game.

[smoky timber]

Top 2500 actually lol

[proud parcel]

lol who gives a fuck

[mellow lodge]

At least he's not saying its bad

M11 is better close range xp is better medium range

[restive plover]

Isn't m11 DPS higher though?

[proud parcel]

m11 is too good close up.

[smoky timber]

onlky within 10 meters

[proud parcel]

It was fine where it was.

[mellow lodge]

Hey at least hades isn't the one saying light doesn't need a buff

[smoky timber]

light is good rn where it is

[glad solstice]

light needs less HP

[smoky timber]

stun needs to be looked a tthough

[mellow lodge]

Light has 0 place in the meta

[smoky timber]

XP is better for worse players. M11 is good only within 10 meters

[smoky timber]

They do and don't, heavy just needs less health

[smoky timber]

Nice rage bait

[mellow lodge]

idk, i feel like just has no place as it doesn't help the team at all really

[smoky timber]

Light does have a place, most people dont know how to play them. they are the best class for those who are good at it

[mellow lodge]

and you can't really make the arguement that light can pick off enemies as medium can do it the same if not even better than amlight can

[mellow lodge]

i've still yet to find a way to be helpful to the team other than by just killing people

and don't argue for sonar you have better things to slot in your gadget

[smoky timber]

Light's whole role is disruption and harassment. Picking stragglers, disabling util, or snaking cashouts and vaults is what light should be doing

All a light should be using is glitch and stun at a minimum, invis (or dash if you are better at living) and 4th slot is personal and up to imagination

[mellow lodge]

you've made valid point but i still just think the other classess can do it better

[smoky timber]

Finishing kills? Other classes cannot do what light does

No other class has glitch grenades (mines are not nearly as good)

[mellow lodge]

disruption harrasment picking stragglers, and snaking cashouts and vaults

[mellow lodge]

glitch nades are only really useful against a heavys

you also lose the specializations of medium and heavy to get glitch nades

[smoky timber]

HEALING BEAMS??

[mellow lodge]

mesh shield, goo gun, charge and slam, healing bean, demat

also lights low health and the dreadful regen time in this game makes it just not as helpful

but light is the most fun class i do say

[smoky timber]

Regen does need to be upped 100% its ridiculous for all classes

[mellow lodge]

i think someone said 5 seconds and you start regen, that is so fucked for lights playstyle of harrasment in and out

[vital jacinth]

oh god it really is

[mellow lodge]

genuinely if health regen was fixed light would be so much more viable

[vital jacinth]

what if, lights regenerated faster

[mellow lodge]

what if hear me out, light had a faster ttk than the other classes

[smoky timber]

Light is viable, just know when to engage and when to leave

[vital jacinth]

@mellow lodge what if, they actually did tho

[mellow lodge]

what if the math says otherwise

[vital jacinth]

It probably does now that I think about it

but what if, it didn't matter

[mellow lodge]

light is only good against other lights really

and heavy if you use the lh1, xp or sniper

[vital jacinth]

v9s on top

[smoky timber]

wrong im sorry

[vital jacinth]

LH1 is really good for killing heavys what

[mellow lodge]

how tf you beating a medium thats good at the game?

[mellow lodge]

fixed my sentence reread it

[smoky timber]

Stun + better movement

[vital jacinth]

ah

[mellow lodge]

oh no i've been stunned what ever shall i do, oh wait the hipfire in this game is insane

[vital jacinth]

yeah strafing well deletes anyone even with insane hip-fire

[smoky timber]

use cover??

[vital jacinth]

tbh sometimes with light if U hit all shots u can really mess ppl up, since you have a 50 50 change at killing a medium if u both hit all shots

[smoky timber]

Colby everything you are saying to me sounds like a skill diff Im sorry. Light is very viable. If it gets more buffs it'll be OP

[vital jacinth]

depending on what gun (specifically for fcar and akm)

@smoky timber only thing not viable about light is that new pistol, its DOGSHIT

[mellow lodge]

💀 if it was a skill issue then why is it not in any of the top team comps

[smoky timber]

Very real

[mellow lodge]

you still haven't said how light is more useful than being a heavy or medium as well

[smoky timber]

Bc not enough people know how to play the role. Im top 2500 Light only. It's a good class.

[vital jacinth]

@smoky timber How do u use the glitch/what is ur loadout

[mellow lodge]

well there are top 500 swords, it can be used but majority of the time for majority of the ranked experience there are better options

[smoky timber]

M11, Dash, Stun, Glitch, invis bomb. Dash = harder to hit = better suvivability. Glitches are to start fights and take util away, Stun is reserved for stragglers or med heals, etc

[mellow lodge]

yes you can be a good at light but that applies to every single thing in every single game

[vital jacinth]

do u use the gateway?

[smoky timber]

Top 500 say that bc Med/ heavy is so braindead easy there is almost no reason to run light. Light is good, just a lot harder to play well.

[smoky timber]

Not really, not enought up time to be that valuable IMO

[vital jacinth]

ok

[smoky timber]

Invis bmob invis's whole team tho, very valuable

[vital jacinth]

seems dope, is it fine to use v9s? I really like one of my skins for it

[mellow lodge]

and just better choices to have

[mellow lodge]

yeah go for it 4th best light weapon

[vital jacinth]

dope

[smoky timber]

corrrect. breach charge or invis bomb are best IMO. breach for invis players and bomb for dash players

[mellow lodge]

i still don't know the correct timing to quick melee breach charge 😔

[vital jacinth]

ok so glitch, stun, invis and v9s

and dash because I have honor unlike cloak using filth

[smoky timber]

v9s aint bad, m11 or XP are better

[mellow lodge]

and if you you fighting mediums i'd say use frags

[mellow lodge]

lh1 supremacy

[vital jacinth]

w

[smoky timber]

Only if you can click heads yeah 💀

[mellow lodge]

i like outsniping the enemy sniper

[smoky timber]

My question is why is M11 OP but FCAR isnt? literally 4 taps light to the head up to like 25 meters

[mellow lodge]

who on earth thinks fcar isn't broken?

[smoky timber]

kenopsia might not LOL, seems they thinkM11 is more of a problem

[drifting marsh]

can you just shoot underneath the riot shield? seems useless if so

[mellow lodge]

just gotta play smart with it

[drifting marsh]

yeah ig it was just surprising. i figured it would block your feet since you cant crouch with it

[pallid lintel]

Half the time the player has it in shield form I panic and run away. Most of the time I don’t get away

[sand rose]

Fix the new shotgun to aim in. That’s all I ask. Like. I don’t like the way it feels shooting and is almost impossible to hit anything.

[night pike]

does APS turret destroy RPG's projectile?

[burnt gyro]

the need to get rid of sniper

long range combat does not fit into the finals

[foggy jewel]

I miss most shots with the sniper is it just me or is the weapon inaccurate

[burnt gyro]

only if moving

[burnt gyro]

yes

[foggy jewel]

Ye it's awful for most gamemodes apart from the payload one

[night pike]

damn, didn't knew it is so powerful

[burnt gyro]

also works on projectiles from grenade lanuchers and every grenade / mine

[night pike]

it works on mines too? this thing is so underrated

[burnt gyro]

small aoe

[night pike]

well, yeah

[proud schooner]

Suggestion: add the ability to swap gadget placement after death in ranked. It's a minor quality of life change that will only do us good. I had my gadgets in the wrong places after fiddling at the start of the match and it threw me off a couple of times

[supple oracle]

so why does LH1 has 49 damage per shot instead of 50

if its not gonna have 50 damage per shot, then just lower it and give the weapon a scope

oh wait, F-CAR has more damage and firerate than the AK while also having a scope

nvm, just add a scope to LH1 and increase damage by 1, how does that sound for balance?

[delicate loom]

bro the new heavy shotgun is so bad

[burnt gyro]

they should make it have quicker bullet travel time practily a spud gun

[delicate loom]

yeah its useless currently

if the light shotgun can 1 shot lights then the heavy's should be able to

[supple oracle]

huh, dint knew it could 1 shot lights with a meatshot

but how often can you even do that considering light hitbox and movement

[burnt gyro]

never

[night pike]

with this kind of logic Heavy would be OP

Light trades low health for huge damage and Heavy is the opposite of this

[delicate loom]

wrong because of light movement

[supple oracle]

if only this was a proper thing

[delicate loom]

exactly

[supple oracle]

@golden adder explain the F-CAR higher damage and rate of fite, as well the scope then

just give LH1 50 dmg or increase its headshot multiplier by a tiny bit so that missing 1 damage is covered by headshots

[restive plover]

The scar is just unbalanced. Also I'm pretty sure it's firerate is lower than the akm, just the damage is higher.

[supple oracle]

ill check on that

[golden adder]

Fcar is a horrible baseline for other gun balance. The thing needs gutted

[supple oracle]

well yeah of course it is, devs dont seem to think so, how many months has been since release and its nerf was a meaningless damage drop-off?

then how would you fix LH1?, 49 damage is just frustrating, might as well nerf its damage more and give it a buff SOMEWHERE, be it a scope,recoil decrease or mag increase

[golden adder]

It’s already one of the best light weapons. Doesn’t need fixing

[supple oracle]

No, the best are the M11 and XP-54 and sword

how often you see a light using LH1?

besides, LH1 has atrocious movesway and the ironsights feel like they dont re-align correctly after recovering from recoil

and people have been speaking that some weapons sights are missaligned as well, like the R.357

[golden adder]

If sights are misaligned, sure fix those issues, but in the right hands the LH1 is a monster. But it’s on par with M11 if not better for its range and damage.

XP is too strong and needs nerfed.

[vapid oar]

Make revolver 2-shot lights😎

[supple oracle]

2 headshots

[vapid oar]

I'm not that good in the game. Lights are too fast, especially with dashes. You gotta understand that people should be able to play any gun that's available once they join that game.

[supple oracle]

Aint my problem, you either learn to use that gun, or switch to something else

[vapid oar]

Already switched once I understood how horrible revolver is haha, AKM one love

[supple oracle]

besides, what is the problem with R.357?, you dint say why you feel like so

[vapid oar]

In my opinion, any player that joins the game and have default weapons available, should be able to use them NORMALLY. I mean, those guns should be balanced +-. Revolver HAD higher damage and it was fair, since you only get 6 bullets. If your enemy, for example, will be Medium with akm, you won't kill him on early stages of your gameplay

[supple oracle]

....uh,what?

how is that a problem?

wait, is the revolver a default weapon

[vapid oar]

I'm trying to say that for people who just joined, the only choice is AKM, since it's universal aka meta

[vapid oar]

Well, when I joined the finals it was 100%

It's not a problem, just my opinion bro

[supple oracle]

eh,fair enough

[tame cliff]

Anyone got a link to an spreadsheet with ttks of all weapons?

[restive plover]

Check pins.

[elder portal]

50 dmg would be great for the LH1 🤝

[zinc kiln]

Just a random idea I had but I thought I would share, I think it would be awsome if heavy had a single shot, breach loading sniper. No idea how it would work balance wise but it would be super fun to use

[supple oracle]

May i present you instead: The 4-Bore
Shoulder-fired artillery

[zinc kiln]

Like a quad barel rpg?

Because that would be awesome

[supple oracle]

i can't post youtube links, but just search "4-bore kentucky ballistics"

would definitely fit heavy

[warm lava]

No it's got a 20 round mag it doesn't need a nerf or anything they need buff other weapon

[golden adder]

Nu-uh

[supple oracle]

Ahahahahaha,no

[warm lava]

Yall must sit still in combat and like let yourself get shot

[zinc kiln]

Oh my god we need that immediately

[supple oracle]

I KNOW RIGHT?

[zinc kiln]

Do people think the m60 or the Lewis gun is better? I used to love the Lewis gun but with the balance changes I might try the m60 more

[supple oracle]

Lewis is still a laser

WHY ARE YOU SAYING NO?, SHOW ME THEN ITS NOT A LASER

[worn smelt]

the community still doesn't know which gun is better, some say the Lewis gun is still better others say the M60 is good after it's recent buffs. you should definitely try using both and see which one feels best for you

[restive plover]

M60 has better recoil and ammo but the damage falloff is abysmal compared to the lewis.

[zinc kiln]

Ah didn't know about the falloff

I might use Lewis on big maps like seol and skyway and then switch to the m60 for more close range maps like Las vegas

[paper sentinel]

hello

[zinc kiln]

Bonjour

[paper sentinel]

so i like using light just for the movement speed and the grappler, but the scilenced pistol is really good for me

[paper sentinel]

the lewis gun has a better fire rate i feel like. and also better damage

[paper sentinel]

im not ripping on your decision

[zinc kiln]

The Lewis gun definitely does more damage but slower firerate

[dawn sky]

best build for light?

[restive plover]

mp5 glitch and stungun

[supple oracle]

well this friggin explains why it feels like the Lewis is a beam of a weapon, its fall-off is almost non-existant

[tender gulch]

With invis 🫤

[paper sentinel]

fair

[paper sentinel]

just feels a little faster due to the damage

[karmic crypt]

Buff the mgl32

[warm lava]

Akm and famas need a buff

[gentle dawn]

I miss my old d fib

[supple oracle]

i would only ask for a secondary fire mode where grenades explode on proximity after about 25m-30m away and would not explode from anything else, would just be firing duds if used at close range
not being able to damage roofroaches is damn annoying

[slow crane]

nerf to stun gun destroyed the gadget

i dont even run it anymore

[karmic crypt]

Oh yeah roof fights are impossible to win, the gun is quite good for med-long range, just needs a buff for close range maybe explode on impact if u hit a enemy?

[slow crane]

famas has the potential to be so good 😍

[supple oracle]

id rather keep its obvious weakness of being very hard to use on close range

[bronze obsidian]

good, was a poorly designed gadget to allow players to melt anyone without them being able to aim back at them

i get it doesn't allow you to switch to other gadgets, but not being able to ADS is dumb and makes the stun gun gimmicky af

i will alwasy teabag a stun gun player if i kill them following being stunned

[supple oracle]

what are you schizos talking about, i havent seen any patch notes announced

[bronze obsidian]

i think it's the voices again, they're louder than usual

[worn smelt]

what are you talking about?

[bitter hemlock]

they're gonna have a full automatic rocket launcher ltm

[restive plover]

M20 flash with an RPG in the back pocket.

[tulip shadow]

maybe if you added a gadget which could heal people when you through it

or it could habe a radious and everbody in their get healed for 30 sec

[worn smelt]

actually sounds interesting, the heals would have to be low so people wouldnt just place it an never die

[paper sentinel]

the famas needs a buff. To me its not that good rn

[azure crystal]

is the turret just for decoration?

[smoky timber]

What nerf?

[obsidian nexus]

stungun is stupid.

[distant hawk]

ikr

[toxic bobcat]

seems like a pretty decent weapon for me

[paper sentinel]

its ok for me. just needs a better fire rate maybe

[lofty turret]

I agree all the way it really is

[paper sentinel]

i also agree

[lofty turret]

First time I got hit with that I got hit with a double barrel and died I was pissed from that but now that thing feels weak ash like did they change it

[paper sentinel]

yup

[lofty turret]

They did not wonder y it’s so bad now 😭

[topaz sparrow]

Every time I hit with a revolver I get happy

But every time I miss with the revolver I get sad

I'm sad overall

[paper sentinel]

i hate dying to the revolver

[lofty turret]

😭😭😭

[paper sentinel]

then me get angy. RAHHHHHHHH

[lofty turret]

Don’t it 1 tap lights to the head lmao 😭

[topaz sparrow]

No it does not

[paper sentinel]

yea

[topaz sparrow]

It would be good otherwise, but it does 149 damage

[paper sentinel]

holy moly guacamole

how much does the revolver cost again? i forgot.

whats the best build for lights\

[pearl jungle]

800, I think?

[paper sentinel]

ok not bad

[pearl jungle]

it’s my favorite medium weapon so far

[radiant kelp]

I just realized something today
the 1887 alternate reload animation is a reference to the terminator movies

https://tenor.com/view/arnold-arnold-schwarzenegger-schwarzenegger-terminator2-terminator-gif-24450886

oh of course the embed fails

[slow crane]

you can ads now?

[restive plover]

hasta la vista

[slow crane]

oh gosh nevermind I thought that got changed

[restive plover]

https://tenor.com/view/terminator-sunglasses-shades-t800-arnold-schwarzenegger-gif-27448475

[radiant kelp]

https://youtu.be/_5Bjl5V634M

[topaz sparrow]

Its not a terminator reference

It was a cool gun trick since forever

And they showed it in the terminator

Arnold swartznegger didnt invent it

[worn smelt]

nerf stun range

you can stun people from soo far away its crazy

[glacial stump]

real

[simple breach]

The meta is xp54, dash or cloak, stun gun, glitch nade, and either breach, portal, or vanish bomb.

The lh1 slaps too

[paper sentinel]

Ok thanks 🙏

[simple breach]

No problem brewski

[smoky timber]

SwiftRodeo#6196 BalletEffort#7223 Key#6785; Baron Von Babyeater, Breezie, Key all blatantly cheating

[rain patrol]

If you think the stun gun is a fair and balanced gadget I'd like to hear why you are wrong

[weary void]

Nice

[hallow leaf]

it needs removed

[eager imp]

m

[torn sand]

Wassup ppl

[crimson wedge]

I wish weapons had 2 or 3 more mastery levels so I can have a plain light green, some kind of orange flames skin, and maybe a gold skin since the plain white one looks like silver. So I can have a green gas grenade canister and M60. also because 9 or 10 items would fill out the bottom and be a nice rounded number

[elder portal]

The stun gun is good as it it right now. The light class doesn’t need a nerf in anyway, except the cloaking device. In my opinion they could also remove the invisible ability completely like they did it with recon senses. Invis is the only thing I don’t like/ is annoying on the light class

In generell the light class needs more buffs.

• more hp or resistance (for example dmg stacks over time. First third of hits from one enemy player does very little dmg second third does normal dmg and last third does more dmg, so that you can go in and out more often without taking much dmg )

-buff lh1 to 50 dmg

• 2 crappling hooks or faster cooldown

• 4 dashes for evasive dash

[opal kayak]

Skin for sword: stale baguette

[vapid oar]

Go try 5v5. Increasing those annoying snipers HP will freaking kill this game.

[mellow lodge]

thats a single game mode that doesn't have proper balancing, ranked is a whole other story and where majority of the playbase will hate it if a lights on their team in ranked as only people that are very good make light decent in ranked, otherwise it's mostly throwing if you pick light in ranked

[vapid oar]

Yes, I agree that Light build takes skill. But using it with proper dashing can help you to always win 1v1 easily (if you're not fighting gamepad player of course)

When my friends and I joined the finals and opened ranked mode, we decided to have fun on 3 lights and won the game (not once). It was hella fun to destroy heavies together not going to lie

[vapid oar]

In my opinion, if you see that you literally s#ck on light, then just learn how to play him in quick/normal tournament or use other build. Ranked is for ranking up, so you should play your best build. Easy as that

I'm not talking to you though, it's just how it should be

[mellow lodge]

i do agree light is the most fun and i do also agree with the hp bonus should not happen but it would not kill the game

idk i just hate randoms maybe thats why i think light is bad even though i main it

[vapid oar]

It wouldn't for sure, but don't do that please 🙏

[mellow lodge]

i'd just like light to have a faster time for it's regen to start

[vapid oar]

Randoms are washed😵

[vapid oar]

Good idea though. Agreed 👍

[mellow lodge]

light just has so little helth for a 5 second regen and thats only when is starts

[vapid oar]

Would be cool if you could see my face when I get a HEAVY in my team in ranked. I'm so happy at those moments lmao

[mellow lodge]

having a heavy is very nice because even if they are shit most of the time they wiwll at least be on objective and put their shield down

[vapid oar]

Yes. If a heavy plays the game with mesh shield oh hell, marry me. I'll stick to his ass for the whole match with my healing bim

[mellow lodge]

sigh if only i could play ranked

[vapid oar]

Just shoot and get damaged, I'll heal you boy

[vapid oar]

You can't? 😦

[mellow lodge]

thats why lights so annoying as a medium with heal beam you can never heal them as they just run away

[mellow lodge]

you i play oceania servers where ranked games just don't exist because of the little amount of people

[vapid oar]

Real

[vapid oar]

What if you join someone? I mean, probably high ping but

[mellow lodge]

yeah me no like hifgh ping

[vapid oar]

Ohh

Well, tournaments are good too

[hallow leaf]

no, stun gun needs removed

[polar raven]

they need to buff everything else in light first

[hallow leaf]

na remove stun gun and give them a gas mask

[polar raven]

that's not gonna make light good

[hallow leaf]

okay, and? the stun gun still has no place in the game

[polar raven]

it's not even that broken it's just good and yeah they can nerf/remove it once light is actually viable

[hallow leaf]

the fact that you cant ads makes it broken

[polar raven]

hipfire is good enoughy at close range anyways

[mellow lodge]

what gun do you use on medium?

[hallow leaf]

R.357

[mellow lodge]

stop moving while being stunned an your hipfire will be better

[hallow leaf]

still the stun gun needs removed

light guns already melt they dont need it

[mellow lodge]

damn didn't know you were a comedian

[hallow leaf]

i will die on the "remove stungun" hill

[pallid lintel]

They do some hefty damage my man

[wide swan]

Before stun gun came tho Lights were arguably a joke.. they even it out for them in my opinion

[mellow lodge]

yes but heavy and medium melt just as quick if not quicker

[mellow lodge]

stun gun isn't even as op as people think

[pallid lintel]

True true

[mellow lodge]

it's only actual use is stopping enemies from running away and protecting chashout

[wide swan]

I agree I don’t think it’s OP but I see a lot of ppl saying remove it when I don’t think it’s that bad! It gave lights a chance to fight

[mellow lodge]

even then it's debatable as most of the time mediums will have fcar which weapons 50/50 and then heavy is like 70% of the time

[wide swan]

I got killed by stun maybe twice honestly… I haven’t got killed by it since. It’s not hard to counter especially if you already see him… as a light you gotta be swift it’s part of the lights strat

[wide swan]

I agree. I’m not gonna lie tho the FCAR is hands down the best gun rn maybe V95 after… the heavy’s are good protectors and enforcers but as far as weapons they def the weakest link in my opinion

[mellow lodge]

v9 ain't that good

heavies weapons aren't that weak as you got the lewis and the shotgun

[wide swan]

I like it personally, and I see ppl using it as well.. and I like the heavy guns I just think they are the weakest out of all 3 classes. Cause the shotgun is only good if you’re close. If not it’s useless. The Lewis tho yes I agree it’s good but I don’t think it’s better than FCAR or some of lights weapons

[mellow lodge]

omg wait no stuns main job is stopping the heavy from rpg'ing your entire team

[stray lion]

As a light main thats what i save stun for since itll leave me with 10hp

[wide swan]

Lights are hard to use no doubt.. you can’t just be in ppls face w a light that’s a suicide mission

[mellow lodge]

yeah but classess will always effect how good a gun is

[mellow lodge]

thats why i like the lh1 and xp over the m11

[wide swan]

Just like I was telling folks in the main chat.. it’s a pick your poison type game.. everything can work the same way they can fail it depends on how you work w teammates and strat imo

[mellow lodge]

yeah except light is a whole other league of becoming good at to the point of almost all ranks that aren't diamond will make you wanna say irredeemable horrors at your light team mates

[wide swan]

Yea you gotta be a dope ass light to run w me lmaooo I feel the same way

[mellow lodge]

lights viable when you are good at it, which ig yeah lights a skill issue, but the problem is the other classes are so braindead easy and will outclass light a lot it is hard to call it just a skill issue of light not being viable

thats why i believe light needs some sort of buff, and i think the perfect buff for light would be reducing the time it takes to start regening health

[grand hinge]

Stun gun needs to be removed, I agree. It just ruins the fun

[mellow lodge]

nah just rework it if anything

i think its fine but for those that want it removed i just say rework it since it's currently just a skill issue losing to it

[wide swan]

Not a bad idea for that buff.. lights def got it hard cause of their health but they can be that difference as well if the guy is good good

[grand hinge]

Just don't leave it as is. It really kills my will to play this game, the way it is now.
It's not op, it just rewards bad players and is annoying.

[mellow lodge]

so does fcar and medium grenade launcher

[wide swan]

Stun gun does not to be removed lmao

[stray lion]

I think the only 2 things ruining the game already been fixed, which being wallhacks and nukes. If the data shows the devs gadgets or guns are a problem itll be adressed

[mellow lodge]

nah having 3 of the same class all the same specialisation is also a big fun killer

[stray lion]

Thats fair i dont see it often but i agree with that.

[polar raven]

light needs to be better but not in a way that's annoying (or nerf all medium and heavy)

[mellow lodge]

well medium and heavy those two compared to eachother are balanced, light just not as good

[forest holly]

Anyone else have an issue where if you throw 2 grenades in a row, it tosses the second one automatically without letting you hold it back?

[mellow lodge]

like genuinely 2 mediums with heal beam and one heavy what will a light even if they good actually do to them

[mellow lodge]

yeah i've had that problem a lot

[forest holly]

They need to fix that fr

[mellow lodge]

they need to fix a lot of things

[grand hinge]

on that I agree

[toxic bobcat]

Not heavies for sure, they are already nerfed deep into the ground becoming almost unusable against team of 3 middles

[mellow lodge]

ah yes the good old heavy is bad, mindset thats full of delusion

[toxic bobcat]

Delusion is when you think that a heavy class with less mobility should have really weak weapons, because he has more health.

[mellow lodge]

heavy doesn't have weak weapons heavy has two insta win buttons if you aren't bad at the game

[sinful vessel]

i like to see this weapon with Lights

[toxic bobcat]

Teach me about these "win buttons" master

[mellow lodge]

rpg depeletes half of mediums health, makes light one shot, and will win your heavy 1v1's, and charge and slam is the win button if you good

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1204770326198616124/1222372306052055180/THE_FINALS_2024-03-08_18-47-43_-_Trim.mp4?ex=6615f9ec&is=660384ec&hm=165cf637b443ab5a270ef6455e3eebd5cef8da4e7426e0ab327d737e0edbf965&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1204770326198616124/1222372856156000266/free_win.mp4?ex=6615fa6f&is=6603856f&hm=2ede1b805d100c941de774d35d9879a5e2c5b878a38c32546f7dd33a64cc34ec&

the only bad thing about heavy is mobility

[toxic bobcat]

Are you paying in the past or what? This information is already irrelevant and rpg doesn't insta kill lights. And most medium players use APS when they are dueling a heavy player. With RPGs recent accuracy and aim speed nerfs it became even worse

[mellow lodge]

i said makes a light one shot, in ranked aps is barely used

[toxic bobcat]

I wouldn't say so about aps, it is used quite often

[polar raven]

oh no you cant randomly 1v3 anymore so sad

[toxic bobcat]

It isn't about 1 vs 3 boy, it is generally heavy class being less effective inside of a team.

[polar raven]

99% of teamcomps are still mmh or mhh

[toxic bobcat]

Go ranked and the 99% wouldn't work anymore. Most of the teams are MMM or on rare occasions MML/MMH, which often don't get to the final round

[polar raven]

go to high ranked

[alpine shard]

When a dagger gets a backstab, does it have a unique kill icon in the kill feed?

[sand monolith]

???? I don’t think i’ve seen a single team in diamond not using heavy. and if they are, they’re not making it past round 1 lmao

[mellow lodge]

As in they not running heavy they don't make it past round 1?

[sand monolith]

yes

if you don’t have a heavy on your team then you will likely lose first round

[mellow lodge]

Yep and people say heavy is nerfed into the ground

[sand monolith]

it’s kinda crazy how much heavy has been nerfed since launch just to still dominate the meta

[zinc kiln]

Heavy is in a nice spot right now where its not broken but not terrible. When I play medium I can usually win a 1v1 against one with some luck but I definatly don't feel underpowered when using it

[sand monolith]

and even at the launch people said “stop nerfing everything”

[sand monolith]

dome and rpg carry the class and lewis could use a small fire rate nerf so it’s not as good up close. but dome and rpg probably shouldn’t be nerfed too hard until there are more gadgets on heavy. he has like 5 things rn lmao

mesh shield is overrated but i wouldn’t mind seeing it reworked to something more interesting but on the same power level

it’s a lot of value for pressing a button with your brain off

[daring umbra]

nice weapons

[restive plover]

we need our next event can we get a demolishion mode where the only useable class is medium and heavy with grendae launchers and the costume u got would be like ww2 type costume

[limber gull]

https://tenor.com/view/and-thats-how-you-kill-the-game-how-you-ruin-a-game-mess-up-the-game-end-the-game-blake-webber-gif-14184953

[sand monolith]

[limber gull]

https://tenor.com/view/jordan-peterson-jbp-clean-your-room-gif-9239876

[worn smelt]

so true playing light is so unforgiving you have to outplay your opponents x2 to be able to exist

[limber gull]

That's because in the description for light class it says "low-survivability". It's meant to be a hard class to play.

[worn smelt]

i like that aspect, its fun

[limber gull]

same
https://tenor.com/view/head-nod-its-always-sunny-agree-stare-creeper-gif-18857358

[elder portal]

That man knows what he’s talking about 🤝

[elder portal]

It has its place and is good as it it.

[elder portal]

Exactly 🤝

[ionic osprey]

Akimbo Pistols for light 🫰🏽

[supple oracle]

i see there's still delusional gamers that think stun mechanics in a shooter game is a good thing

keep using your crutch while you can, wont last forever

[polar raven]

it isn't but light is just so bad that it's the only thing keeping it somewhat viable, once light gets buffed stun gun definitely needs a nerf/rework

[potent ledge]

#don't buff the nuke

[supple oracle]

and i say to those lights: get fucking good and learn to play light without a crutch, once light get its buffs and nerfs it deserves (nerfs being stun gun and invisibility and maybe sniper) you will be far more ahead than these so called "lights" that rely on crutches like stun gun and invisibility

[polar raven]

yeah I just really hope they actually make light better without it being annoying

[mellow lodge]

Why would sniper get nerfed?

[supple oracle]

its my bias talking, because snipers ruin every game they are in

i dont play TF2 anymore because of them

which is why i added the "maybe"

[onyx plover]

Should the light also have a grenade launcher?

[supple oracle]

i would like a non-double barrel shotgun

but i'm not sure what kind of grenade launcher it could be, id have to different from the other 2

[onyx plover]

I was gonna say the 25 mm from fallout but they'd have to find a version that works

Maybe the xm25

[supple oracle]

im done,F-CAR just not being given the nerfs that actually matter,this is what we wait for?

[warped quiver]

it was nerfed though?

how does that not matter? I think the easy recoil pattern is one of the things making it strong. though I haven't tried yet

[pearl jungle]

OOHH I AGREE WITH THIS SENTIMENT

[supple oracle]

so you havent tried but wanna speak on behalf the recoil

look, this wont change shit, they dint touch base damage or the firerate or the hip-fire accuracy

the gun is still a DPS beast

[polar raven]

i tested it and its not that much of a nerf, still the same pattern just bigger

[supple oracle]

why are the devs so hellbent on keeping F-CAR this stupid strong, why are they taking THIS SLOW

yet when it comes to other weapons they do big changes like making the ks-23 need 4 shots to kill a MEDIUM instead of 3
i hope the little buffa it got for the pump is worth the damage nerf

AND THEY STILL KEPT C4 RUINED BY BEING LIMITED TO 1 CHARGE

no compensation changes to light for nerfing his glitch grenade

yet they dint touch stun gun or invisibility

not even MENTION anything

[sturdy forge]

other game companies would take a full season to drop patch notes this size, i'm just happy they experiment with stuff like this

[heavy swan]

i believe(hope) it is part of the gradual change, so it can be tuned right rather than destroying it. however i think big big changes like heavy nerfs(from seoson 1 to 2) happen on season changes.

[north chasm]

sp the 9sr is more useful now

[mellow lodge]

they nerfed the shotgun damage?

[north chasm]

yes but made it better in other ways idk if its good yet tho

[mellow lodge]

well idk me see less damage that mean more time to kill heavy so bad gun

[sturdy forge]

it's the same amount of shots

[copper agate]

93r got a huge or mid buff?

[mellow lodge]

used to be 3 shot heavy

[supple oracle]

wait, my brai farted, why did i think mediums had 350Hp...

[golden adder]

Still can’t headshot with the thing even with 100 damage

[north chasm]

i think its huge

[copper agate]

Y

[north chasm]

think we can actually kill heavys now

[copper agate]

Gotta test it first

[north chasm]

ye i have to wait a bit to test

[silver scaffold]

No throwing knifes buff again );

[placid linden]

Or any info or fix on the throwing knives xp needed to level up being so dramatically higher than every other weapon

[silver scaffold]

What y mean?

[polar raven]

how is making it level up faster gonna help

[silver scaffold]

Idk I have it max level now

[placid linden]

I just mean it should be the same as all the other weapons. Not 36k xp for level 2

[silver scaffold]

It costs more?

[polar raven]

i dont think thats true and even if it is how is that going to help make the weapon better

[silver scaffold]

What buff you think would be ok?

pon!

[slim linden]

better one for you guys

@tulip scroll art of the week for me lol

[silver scaffold]

I think at least faster projectile speed(knifes)

[placid linden]

I think the throwing knife charged attack could be slightly faster. It feels like it takes forever

[silver scaffold]

Yeah maybe

[supple oracle]

allowing us to hold it for a little would be nice too

[silver scaffold]

But wouldn’t it be cool if you could hold it

[placid linden]

Definitely!

[silver scaffold]

Bro how

I was thinking about it

[tulip scroll]

?

[slim linden]

yes you

[paper sentinel]

hello guys

[silver scaffold]

Btw do devs read what’s written here?

[paper sentinel]

idk

[silver scaffold]

It’s me

[placid linden]

I like to think they do. This game has been the most caring about community feedback of any that I’ve played in years

[silver scaffold]

You’re right

[supple oracle]

most caring my ass, they dont even bother to mention not even half of our problems

[paper sentinel]

what's your guys opinion on the sword

[placid linden]

Just logged back in to check. Throwing knife takes 20k xp for level two. Every single other weapon in the game is 9k

[supple oracle]

Annoying as shit on the receiving end, little cockroach keeps phasing through me

[paper sentinel]

absolutley agree 😂

[polar raven]

its just okay easy to counter but you can make good plays with it

[restive plover]

I want to be good with it but I lack the nerve.

[paper sentinel]

correct. whenever i use it i feel like I dont belong to be alive

[paper sentinel]

for real

whats your guy's main?

honestley, i play anyone

[supple oracle]

i barely play medium

[toxic bobcat]

someone in Embark really loves sniper and shotguns, a lot of skins come for these weapons, even in the latest event

[visual zodiac]

Nobody loves snipers 🐭🤭

[silver scaffold]

I play light most of the time (usually with knives) but i play sniper now for grappling level 3 award

This sound is amazing

[restive plover]

They are conceptually cool guns to be fair.

[full python]

They gonna add more weapons??

[paper sentinel]

on light I play silenced pistol and knifes, pyro, frag, remote bomb.

[visual zodiac]

Very useful if well played in cash it or powershift.... but WHY SNIPERS IN BANK IT? WHYYYYY? 🐭🤭

[restive plover]

People like to fuck around more in bank it. I do, anyways.

[supple oracle]

@edgy talon No, let lights keep sonar and tracking dart, they need gadgets that can help the team, mediums already have too much

[mellow lodge]

did the burst pistol buff actually do anything for the gun or is it still shit?

[polar raven]

it's still shit pretty much

[supple oracle]

one of the only reasons i play light honestly, before i dint had much in "team" gadgets, atleast now i have concrete options that aint inconsistent like the smoke grenade and flashbang

[visual zodiac]

I play light with sword, only in monaco... it's so funny!

[toxic bobcat]

the best skin so far

especially the sounds for reloading

[slim linden]

Update

[warm lava]

It's the SCAR H of course it should be powerful

[warm lava]

Cod player

[mellow lodge]

no it is true, there a whole video i can link if you'd like a chance for your mind to be changed

[reef sage]

7.62x51 mm goes hard

[honest drift]

Question - Has the stun gun been buffed to stop people shooting back?

[elder portal]

The glitch trap and glitch nade nerf was too strong in my opinion 7 seconds would’ve been enough in my opinion

[rough carbon]

They haven't nerfed the stun gun. At this point they should give it to the heavy or medium for a week for an "experiment"

[sinful fulcrum]

i dont think so

[elder portal]

Real comedian right here

[mellow lodge]

yeah it's called get better

just hold the fire button and don't move, the hipfire in this game is mental

[honest drift]

Lolz Colby didn't read the question. Just got triggered straight away. Cringe.

[mellow lodge]

i literally gave you the correct answer idk what else there is to say

[honest drift]

I saw the 2nd half after I sent that message. My bad 😂

[mellow lodge]

also sorry if i was rude initially i just hate people saying stun gun op and needs a nerf

[honest drift]

I usually swing and hip fire with a 50/50 success rate. Recently I've been getting stuck and not able to shoot back at all.

[mellow lodge]

that shouldn't be happening at all sorry that is happening to you

and stuck as in you cannot move?

[honest drift]

Can't move as in shake at 4-5 degrees left and right. And the gun doesn't brrrr at all. It's like being super stunned.

[worn smelt]

I agree, 6-7 seconds would probably be best

[paper sentinel]

whats your opinion on the thing where it deletes a wall. i forgot the name

[mellow lodge]

dematirializer

quite fun and can be good, second best pick for special

[paper sentinel]

yea thats what i meant. thanks

[fickle charm]

KS-23 feels like any other shotgun now. It needs to be a heavy chonker thats high risk high reward. PLS revert and just buf damage

[paper sentinel]

honestley how much I hate it, I don't agree.

i feel like it should have a better mag size like 4 but the damage, should be nerfed honestley

[fickle charm]

what makes it different from the medium shotgun? feels the same to me. It used to feel unique

[paper sentinel]

it feels the same but, has a much more damage booster

[fickle charm]

Thats my problem. Its not unique anymore. They should lean into the slow projectile and give it MORE damage at range. Why do games never reward long range projectile snipes like this?

[paper sentinel]

That, i agree with

[formal lion]

All we need is i-frame removal from defib

[paper sentinel]

this might be a hot take but the stun gun is garbage

[supple oracle]

you either meaning it being bad or just being a bad mechanic in the game, atleast the way you worded left it open for interpretation

[paper sentinel]

im saying its not really, affective

[supple oracle]

what?...

is that punctuation on purpose?

[tender gulch]

If you get stunned while carrying a sword or dagger, what do you do?

[supple oracle]

Grab something to drink, play with my cat, look at my phone

[sick fossil]

emote

[paper sentinel]

i was just thinking of a word to use

[neon haven]

The LH1 can be fired slow at long range for precision or spammed at close range, why cant we do the same with revolver? I want to fan the hammer at close range

[proud stone]

was the a typo in patch notes? in 2.0 FCAR damage falloff from .67 -> .55. this patch notes says .67 -> .50?

[rain patrol]

So you just described a gadget that can single handedly get 3 free kills. The stun gun is not thought out at all, there is nothing else in the game that just gets you a free kill like that. I know that there are plenty of times that you can get stunned and manage to kill the light but that’s only if then light is playing with his controller upside down.

[digital saddle]

debuffing glitch duration to half is just nonsensical. no thought went into this. none 🏴

[unique lynx]

Medium: P90, Akimbo Semi-Auto Pistols, Spas-12,
Intervention (slower mobility but high damage, little range drop off)

Heavy: Brass Knuckles,
(fast lower DPS and better lunge accuracy than hammer)
30/40rd Mag-fed M249 SAW, 50 cal. Deagle

Lightsaber Skin for Sword
Ghillie Suit skin for character and/or SR-84
Butterfly Knife skin for Dagger
The football frag skin should be thrown like a football tbh

An oil or ice mine for slicking a surface could be funny (oil could be a canister too)

[graceful jasper]

If only they coulda had a "pinecone" skin for frags as well

[mild wing]

Ks23 good now?

[gleaming phoenix]

Is fcar still good or is it time to switch to akm or famas

[sullen glacier]

Halving the time forces the team fight to happen faster as they don’t have 10 seconds to reposition and chip. Complaining about this just tells me you have no clue how to play the game

[proud schooner]

Does anyone have a season 2 weapon spreadsheet?

[sullen glacier]

Fcar is still the best gun in the game imo just has a tweak recoil pattern and is a little worse at range -0.17 dmg at max range

[worldly forum]

Honestly would’ve been a nice addition

[eternal flower]

They should make a brick skin for the throwing knives, that is all

[restive plover]

And then add a frog costume.

[gleaming phoenix]

Oh okay gotcha

[warm lava]

Fcar deserves to be powerful

[paper sentinel]

I forgot the name but who likes that one light smg

not the XP

[eternal flower]

The model 1887 is really fun even tho I only use riot shield

Just using it for the event

[vivid notch]

why the riot shield, it sucks

[eternal flower]

Because it's fun

I only use melee weapons

[valid goblet]

sword can go straight through your block on the riot shield

[eternal flower]

I know but don't care, it's fun

[vivid notch]

fair

[valid goblet]

true very true jump backwards against a sword then swing or throw a mine an hit it

[lyric iron]

the KS23 makes me wish i was dead irl

[rough carbon]

Snowballs for the holidays

[round whale]

Fantastic!!

[dull oak]

exactly what im going on about in general chat.... Ppl saying it was "buffed".... this weapon was only good if you were highly skilled and now it got worse

[lapis fjord]

AK is finally on par with fcar in the meta I see

Light is still not viable in ranked unless you're the .001%

Ks23 is sort of viable

Famas might be the meta or atleast tied with scar AK now crouch shot hip fire famas is a lazer

[fickle charm]

Am not having fun anymore with KS-23. Every fight feels so boring now. Hitting shots used to feel satisfying.

[warm lava]

The fcar shouldn't of been nerfed

[sterile blaze]

remove sniper from power shift (genuinely not a joke) its actually better without no sniper on the easter event, keep it in the cashout and bank it but it should be removed from powershift, the only reason ppl use it on powershift is to sit halfway cross the map and crossmap and its the worst experience on earth its a bad meta just do this please

[sterile blaze]

its actual usable now

[fickle charm]

Yeah but in the most boring way possible. I'm all for buffs but the uniqueness is gone

[dusty swallow]

if im honest they should a stim for light

[sterile blaze]

add an adrenaline boost that gives u a slight speed boost and temporary health for a bit

[weak kernel]

yeah the whole appeal of the KS is that it's a ridiculously oversized pump action shotgun. I like that it's generally more accurate, has higher velocity, and is way better at breaking walls now

but it feels a lot less like the KS-23, being weaker in exchange for being faster and snappier

[gentle lynx]

any player saying fcar shouldnt have gotten nerfed is a medium with anxiety having to maybe learn a real recoil pattern, FCAR still shreds within 99% of the ranges you'll encounter and engage from

and I exclusively use the FCAR 😂

[rough carbon]

That pattern doesn't even look bad compared to other games

[gentle lynx]

It's not, compared to before there's just a little bit of additional movement to the right early in the pattern

At least how it feels after a bit in the range

[worthy vigil]

I need more stickers on weapon. One is not enough

[formal lance]

They shouldn't have nerfed the ks23 shotgun or the facr. All shotguns need a mayjor buff. They feel like it's doing the damage a pistol should. And pistols currently need nerfed. They also need to add ranged weapons for medium and heavy class. Other than that I have no complaints. But this right here is not weapon "balancing"

[sullen dirge]

@silent swallow i apologize in advance for pinging a dev, but i see no other process for this. I've gone through every official channel such as support tickets since launch with no avail. Thermal vision is incredibly bugged and has not gotten a fix or even a mention. Thermal makes invis players completely unseen if there is a skybox behind their player model, as well as it being incredibly inconsistent in smoke. This gadget has been unusable for seeing cloaked players or seeing in smoke since launch which is the entire point of the gadget

[teal solstice]

why did the ks23 get such a nerf??

it was a good weapon just nobody was using it made my way to diamond easily with it.

now its completely useless and pointless

[teal solstice]

it was good though most people didnt know how to use it properly it had an unique playstyle

[sterile blaze]

what unique playstyle

it was slow and you had to trail it on every shot to get even 1 kill

it literally needed a buff

[teal solstice]

no you just didnt give it a proper shot. Movement + good aim and you were soloing the whole lobby with a proper team.

and this is more of a nerf. The weapon itself was a hidden gem that many people picked it up and left it, because they didnt do any good with it the first time.

[vital finch]

Curious as to what the reason was for making the zip line indestructible at the bottom end.

[zinc kiln]

It kinda stops me from accidentally charge & slaming it or grenadeing it so I'm happy

[sand monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/josheats15-gary-theres-a-bomb-strapped-to-my-chest-gary-spongebob-bomb-gif-24981294

[teal solstice]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttND-aNY2a4

some mundane clips showcasing the power of the KS when used properly before nerf

[elder portal]

I love playing light but please remove cloaking device

[hallow leaf]

you cant say to remove something from light or they will all get pissed

[royal flicker]

For a heavy speciality just give him a minigun that just shoots through walls,

Making tiny holes where the bullets impact, but make it only work on thin walls and only have 1 level of penetration.

[mellow lodge]

eh just fix games audio and cloak gets nerfed a lot

[alpine ferry]

okay

[mellow lodge]

we only get pissed when our class gets nerfs for no understandable reason when the class itself isn't good

[bleak gyro]

"movement and good aim and you were soloing the whole lobby"

You probably shouldn't be able to do on the tankiest class loaded with protective gadgets on a weapon that has good structural damage. The safest class in the game shouldn't have damage that's competitive with above average TTK.

The weapon fills a niche. It has destructive utility, freeing up gadget slots, and high burst damage. The weapon isn't good for dueling nor should it be. Popping out from behind a mesh shield or deployable shield to surprise someone with an accurate, easy to hit 100 dmg to finish them off is excellent in skirmishes

[mellow lodge]

too bad they will just hipfire you to death

[royal flicker]

I mean considering they took recon sensors it's possible they remove cloaking device

[digital saddle]

false conclusion. but of no consequence

[teal solstice]

Exactly it was never good for dueling it depends on how good you are with the weapon the given situation and the team, ofcourse the KS was a heavily team based gun, but nevermind you wont get it cause you probably never got good enough with it. +plus weapons ttk is much better now, it just lost its combos that made it viable in battles dont know why you are promoting the nerf of an already weak gun. Old KS was something like this - Enemy very close = Enemy dead. Like every other gun, but just in a different way.

[stark kayak]

the gun was and is shit

[teal solstice]

L aim

[fringe idol]

whats the new medium meta weapon since fcar recoil nerf

[ocean compass]

Why this game only use ironsights 😦

[mellow lodge]

Xp and fcar

[mellow lodge]

Fcar still meta

[mortal storm]

so is the only good weapon on heavy the m60?

[mellow lodge]

who told you this?, they are very wrong

[mortal storm]

lewis is mediocre, sa12 is mediocre, ks23 is fun but still only decent. flamethrower has abysmal dps

[mellow lodge]

m60 is mid

[mortal storm]

mgl is just bad and sledge is terrible

[mellow lodge]

lewis is just better than the m60

[mortal storm]

its the thing that is slightly better then everything else

[silver star]

Why did they nerf the damage on the ks23 I just don't understand, all it needed was the accuracy and bloom fix but they fucked it 4 shots to kill a heavy is just not even worth using

You're dead long before you can get 4 shots off idk I think it's significantly less viable than it was before

[bleak gyro]

The gun can't simultaneously be good enough to solo lobbies on the tankiest class in the game and also be reliant on your team as an "already weak gun." You aren't even making a consistent point.

"Exactly it was never good for dueling [..], of course the KS is a heavily team based gun, but nevermind you won't get it because you probably never got good enough with it"

In addition to being unable to make a consistent point, you must have weak reading comprehension to literally reiterate what I said in agreement followed by saying I wouldn't get it along with an ad hominem.

It's literally this simple: the gun is intended to fill a niche. It was underperforming in that niche (utility) while being inconsistently way too good with 1 second kills. The KS-23 could use some minor adjustments, like longer fall-off distance and potentially even quicker animations, but it fills its purpose. Either learn to use the gun to its strengths or pick a different weapon.

[high belfry]

granade luancher funny

[worn smelt]

please no

[tight swallow]

Cloakinh device needs nerf

[mossy crag]

Fuck those turrets, bring HP DOWN

[mellow lodge]

yeah the nerf needs to be the devs fixing the actual game audio

[digital saddle]

both turrets, specialisation and aps, need to be debuffed. no question

[tight swallow]

Nah, shorter meter im0

[wild vortex]

Turrets are super OP rn

[mellow lodge]

ok turrets are only good in the powershift game mode, picking turret in ranked is just a stupid choice, ranked wise turrets sucks, but casual wise is it just not fun to play against

[opal garden]

anyone trying to play????

[wild vortex]

Trip medium with chain rez and turrets is wild in ranked rn

[mellow lodge]

yeah that does sound fucked in anything below diamond

[wild vortex]

yeah im in gold and its very frequent. I play heavy which i know is a must in higher ranks but damn its hard out here lol

[mellow lodge]

yeah heavy isn't fun when you don't have a team with mics and any brain cells

[wild vortex]

facts

[mellow lodge]

if only light was like that as well 😭

[digital saddle]

now that glitch duration was halved they are even less balanced

[wild vortex]

agreed

[valid sedge]

They should add guns to the game

[teal solstice]

This is applied to every gun in the game, if you are good with the gun = you perform well, it doesnt matter if the gun fills out a "niche task" it still sucks to see it reworked into oblivion now nobody will use it 😂. Pls keep emotions at bay.

I think ive made my point its time you stop sounding like a parrot and giving it a try and see how bad it is in Diamond lobbies.

Plus i dont know why you are so interested in winning this argument 😂, the gun is just hella nerfed all of a sudden and its a fact. It will never be a pick for a couple of factors in high ranking games now. "But you can destroy walls with precision, niche bla bla" yeah and? Sounding like you have 10 hours in the game. Like there isnt a whole spec for medium and redbarrels + whole lots of ways to destroy walls and structures with precision... anyways idc it was really a fun gun, but i guess ill just go back to soloing lobbies with my M60, Lewis and SA12 😂

[spice panther]

I dont mind the ks23 change beacuse the slower projectile felt inconsistent and fucky and turned me off from it

[wild vortex]

it feels great now. I love the change

[spice panther]

yeah I find it fun

[wild vortex]

extremely and if you hit your shots and play off mesh its S tier now

but it takes skill so thats what so good about it

[teal solstice]

Its more inconsistent now, and less skill worthy.

🤷‍♂️

[limber gull]

This is how many weapons and gadgets I want in the game.
https://tenor.com/view/the-matrix-keanu-reeves-carrie-ann-moss-neo-trinity-gif-4039760

[livid storm]

inspecting the nama tama goo grenade is the best thing in the game

[silk mason]

should i play light with: invis, xp54, stun gun, gateway, and glitch grenade OR medium with fcar, turret, aps turret, defib and mine?

[mellow lodge]

depends you play casual or ranked?

[glacial oyster]

Up to you, why not play both but if you want to win more frequently in ranked I’d recommend the 2nd.

[mellow lodge]

or if you want team mates that don't leave or go afk pick the 2nd as well if ranked

[silk mason]

okay

[glacial oyster]

Light main here but it’s just so much easier getting wins when I play medium in ranked even when I’m playing it at a mediocre level. The free rezes and healing is just so much free utility and more consistant 1v1 potential than lights sadly

[vapid oar]

Nah, if I play light, I only play usp. Idk, can't relate with other guns. I like to destroy poor lights that are stunned by me🗣️

Well, maybe it's because I play on bronze against golds and they're not that good

But for me usp is the best gun for light lol

[glacial oyster]

I prefer the LH1 personally, it’s not as good at taking out lights up close but lets you burn flank and camp objectives effectively from a safe distance where you can’t easily be 1v1 by med with an FCAR

[mellow lodge]

usp?

[vapid oar]

Fcar is better than akm only if you don't miss any shots right?

[vapid oar]

Idk what's called, pistol with a suppressor

[glacial oyster]

VS9 I think

[mellow lodge]

v9s, and if you don't know the name just says it in a simple form please

[mellow lodge]

yes, just hit 75% and you good

[vapid oar]

I mean USP that's how that pistol is called in cs go haha

(I don't play cs go, it's shit as hell)

HK USP is an actual pistol though

[vapid oar]

What about new recoil? Didn't try it yet, was playing only with akm. Only tried fcar few days ago before nerf. It was fun

[mellow lodge]

still barely any change, fcar is just brainrot best gun

higher ttk than a light can deal with afterall and good hipfire, and a sight

[vapid oar]

Oh so basically I can spam crouch while light is attacking me and I could still kill him with hipfire? That's what I do with akm, but I thought if fcar has an optic, it'll be bad in hipfire... Well

[mellow lodge]

nope, hipfire also insane on fcar

[vapid oar]

Sounds great

[honest summit]

I think the revolver needs to having a fanning mechanic when hip fired. You can rail off with a 15 shot LH1 from close range. Why not a 6 shot revolver that already shoots slower? This would give the revolver a more substantial place in the meta as a tool mediums could rely on at close range but fire slow at long. As a way to balance this the weapon could just have a slower fire rate. (Remove bloom when ads but fire slower, then add the bloom to the hip fire fanning)