💣┇weapons-gadgets

[tacit nacelle]

you can cover a doorway with aps and it works through walls

[gleaming ridge]

Yeah, I was a little confused by that too. Like, it was already not that great imo.

[cobalt dirge]

Bro it is a tiny circle ?? Just move somewhere else, with the addition of demat you have nothing to complain about

[tacit nacelle]

SHES the one who suggested the idea of a full team of gls
also, jo gadget should be able to render a weapon completely useless

[cobalt dirge]

It doesn't render a weapon useless lol, tell your teammates to shoot the damn aps

[north chasm]

should have waited to add more tbh

[tacit nacelle]

until its behind a wall

[cobalt dirge]

SO MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE

[tacit nacelle]

or withthe demat, inside the walls

[north chasm]

ye ads and 2 heavys does pretty well

[gleaming ridge]

It's not rendered useless, just limits its area of use. It's annoying but counterable for sure. If you can't take care of it, one of your team needs to shoot it.

[north chasm]

then the rest just kinda kill anyone trying to shoot ppl at the platform

[cobalt dirge]

Aka please use your common sense

[tacit nacelle]

your solution is 'have an item that you may not have'

[tacit nacelle]

in a game where you defend an objective in a single area that can often be small, thats pretty big

like you need a specific specialization to deal with an issue
and if you dont have that specialization?

or the answer is to run in to a room that is being defended by three people because a single gadget makes all other options unusable

[gleaming ridge]

If by a specific specialization you mean "a team mate with a non projectile weapon" then yeah, I guess? But their pretty easy to destroy, take up a gadget slot that could be something proactive instead of reactive, and has a decent cool down.

I'm not denying they're annoying if you have a launcher weapon, but there's plenty of ways around it that your team can handle.

[steel dune]

Anyone else feel like the Famas is worse after today’s update? Seems there’s now more horizontal recoil when going fast which kinda kills it at range for me.

[gleaming ridge]

I haven't had a chance to fiddle with it in a match yet, but it didn't seem too bad in the practice range.

[tacit nacelle]

specific as in the demat which is the only destructive ability an mmm comp can have

otherwise you have c4, bodyslam, and breach charge as well

bodyslam and c4 are both terrible, and breach is not good rn either

you cant even claim propane tanks because they will literally bounce off the wall sometimes

[night cobalt]

Womp womp

[wooden steeple]

My ideal KS-23 Dream buff probably would be:
-removal of the aps turret interactions with slugs
-2 shot destruction
-better velocity
-increase accuracy
-+5 damage

[steel dune]

APS doesn’t counter slugs already tho

[gleaming ridge]

I would be happy with a slightly faster fire rate and 2 shot destruction lol. I really want to love the shotguns in this game, but they all feel bad to me.

[steel dune]

I feel like a headshot multiplier would be pretty nice. Like a 1.4x multiplier to reward accuracy.

[uncut geyser]

Which is the best gun and gadget for heavy build

[drifting tusk]

[modern blade]

stick and a rock

[faint pendant]

does this game have a gas mask?

[gleaming ridge]

I'm a fan of the flamethrower and Lewis gun for weapons, but sledgehammer is also brutal. I basically always run RPG and dome shield for gadgets.

[steel dune]

Cosmetic only

[faint pendant]

they need a legit one as a gadget

[night cobalt]

Probably the Lewis gun, M-16 or S118 the best gadget is probably the dome shield

[faint pendant]

i just get swamped by gas constantly

[night cobalt]

Womp womp

[crude storm]

Gas is just an antifun mechanic

[sacred sparrow]

What do y'all think of the Famas changes? I haven't used it since before the change, but I didn't really like it, is it better or worse?

[faint pendant]

meh

[steel dune]

I think worse cause it has more horizontal pull when going fast. Which kinda just makes the FCAR the really only medium long range choice (once again)

[sacred sparrow]

Oh ok, that's good to know

[gleaming ridge]

Bring fire. Pyro grenades or flamethrower if you play Heavy.

[night cobalt]

Or when you know somebody’s gonna throw gas just watch out or just bring a Pyro grenade

[restive plover]

best light meta rn?

[azure dawn]

I don't think so

It's kinda like fire, but gas instead

[soft juniper]

Hey between the 3 throwables "Frag, Pyro, Gas" what is your favorite any why

[cobalt dirge]

Frag bc the new pink skin

[mental solar]

fix hand grenade indicatior while using dematerializer

[fathom warren]

Add animated skin to the XP-54 pleaseee

[boreal laurel]

Pyro, but only to deal with gas. (Also one of the reasons I main flamethrower)

[boreal laurel]

V9S+cloak I would say. XP-54 is solid. M11 got a buff recently but I don’t know how meta it is now.

[azure mantle]

Defibrillators are way too nerfed

They should buff them

[gleaming ridge]

I said Pyro grenades, but yeah basically always carry some kind of fire with you.

[verbal wedge]

xd

[golden shuttle]

as much as i like the APS on my side, i kind of wish to see a slight cooldown on each time it can delete a projectile

All grenadelaunchers are useless same with the goo gun

[night cobalt]

I know that you said that I was just saying out of all those options Pyro grenades are the best

[regal ibex]

why does everyone say the v9s is good

[boreal laurel]

‘Cause it is 😎

Fast-firing, accurate, big mag, pretty powerful. M11 does kill faster, but only up close

[regal ibex]

i thought it was semi-auto

[boreal laurel]

It is, but you can spam LMB (or whatever trigger it is on controller) and make it feel like full auto

[regal ibex]

ill try it but if i suck with it what else would you recommend

[boreal laurel]

XP-54 is next best after V9S. I myself like sword, but it’s kind of hard to learn

[regal ibex]

i love the sword

[soft juniper]

you think the sword is difficult try mastering Dash + dagger

[boreal laurel]

I’m good, thanks 😌

[soft juniper]

Do it

[regal ibex]

should i lol

whats the best medium gun + ability

[soft juniper]

Dash + Dagger is probably the hardest play style in the game because you have to master doing a Dash and backstabbing them at the same time

[regal ibex]

i like sword + dash

[soft juniper]

You will like Dagger + Dash if you master it

[orchid karma]

Wanna just remove the magnum for mnk? I'm already competing with fully automatic easy mode weapons with high dash speeds and relatively strong range falloffs , requiring pinpoint aim in fights , and you guys want to keep having bloom in the mix too ! Clearly someone doesn't want the magnum to be viable against all these smgs and autos

[queen warren]

Is there anyway to counter it tho?

Can't play what you can't fight

[soft juniper]

distance

just dont let the dagger player get close to you like all melee weapons

but a counter to dagger is to always be aware there is a dagger player in the game and to keep your back to walls

[icy sparrow]

New weapon idea💥
Get a medium range projectile based slug revolver for light that is single action but close range u can do a 3 tap trick for it to do a 3 round burst it look really cool u can see it in YouTube https://youtube.com/shorts/Cm3Hi4rw-rk?si=jJrYVQs28mfSnGWE

[soft juniper]

this is a cool idea but I think they just need to either buff the Sawed offs damage alittle or its reload speed (Personaly I think the relaodd speed would be the best buff for it)

[icy sparrow]

Do both I guess but I saw a comment on switching shotguns from heavy to light class but if u want projectile based I think my idea fits in neatly and u have to think about bullet drop and projectile speed

[silver kiln]

I just wanna say if you're multiple meds spamming grenade launchers

I hope you get better and eventually learn to gain an understanding of how to shoot a gun

[deft prawn]

lol!

[upper sphinx]

I am in matchmaking for like 30mins niw but the game is not finding me any match its only for tournament and ranked tournament can someone help with this?

[mint karma]

lmao

[unborn dawn]

jacob

[native violet]

s

[deft prawn]

[night cobalt]

For me, I just have to restart the queue and it works

[ornate pollen]

Something is wrong with ranked queues. I waited 8min then restarted queue then 15min

Still nothing

[upper sphinx]

Same bro now i am frustrated and dont wana play this game

[boreal laurel]

Nah, I’m good 😉
(Flamethrower, sword, GL, and riot shield main here)

[night cobalt]

Bring back nukes, but make it so they can only one shot lights

[sinful bluff]

ehhh no

now bringing them back for the purpose causing big explosions which changes the playing field, and will change how players will need to approch said area or cause disruptions is a much better idea

[vocal urchin]

I really think the slug shotgun should have a little more destructive capability, 3 shots for a wall if not 2. It's a decent weapon, not extremely strong, but not weak either. If you give it that utility, it has much more worth as a weapon choice. Essentially a ranged sledgehammer. Other than that, I don't think extra damage would be a good change; the only other potential change I think might be worthwhile is falloff damage, increasing the range but then increasing the dropoff quickly after that.

[gleaming ridge]

I think the damage is great, maybe a little bit more to 2 shot mediums, but I would rather have a slightly faster follow up shot.

[vocal urchin]

I don't think it should two shot mediums, if you melee it's two-shot already but if you allow that from range it would honestly probably feel a little unsatisfying to others

The trouble comes because if you get surprised shot there would not much to do against the second shot, that third shot is sorta important for that

[sinful bluff]

def think the lh1 should get a hip fire accuracy buff, and the snipper should get a decrease

[vocal urchin]

i disagree with the lh1, but agree with the sniper

[gleaming ridge]

With how slow those 2 shots are though the medium is gonna wreck you before you get the third shot off to finish off the last 10hp. That feels bad.

[sinful bluff]

okay not like a major increase, but it feels like complete rng if you even hit them, and you hit only half youre shots even if you are in their face

[vocal urchin]

Well, because it's more meant to be a precision weapon, that's the tradeoff for the high damage. If you are trying to barrel stuff I don't think the Lh1 should work well for that playstyle.

[sinful bluff]

hold on someone made a point and i just wana share what they said cause they were able to word it way better than me

The poor hipfire is a fine drawback if the weapon performs great otherwise but genuinely feel like spray weapons at that close-medium range will mostly always outperform an LH1 anyways unless you get lucky and hit a headshot. So then, if it sucks upclose and at medium can be less consistent than an smg, what's the point? And the damage thresholds leave enemies at 1 hp also more than not, which is frustrating. LH1 hipfire accuracy seems artificially inaccurate cause holy is it straight RNG whether you land something or not. The ironsight lowkey doesn't do the weapon justice either too lol

IMO, a great change could be to lower the time it takes for the weapon recoil to reset. That way you can fire ever so slightly faster if you tap fire, and make the spray fire a little more consistent

[sinful bluff]

think this is a great point what the person i sent said

[sinful bluff]

but yeah being able to pop around a corner and consistantantly hit head shots via hip fire is broken and needs to be balenced

[vocal urchin]

That's reasonable for sure, at least on console I find the LH1 is really good quite consistently though

[sinful bluff]

thats great honestly for you, but on pc half of my shots jus dont land even if they are in my face, also makes dealing with melee increadably hard with hip fire

or even just lowering how much it spreads after each shot would make it a little more consistant

[sinful bluff]

also adsing it is very consistant and dont have any complaints other than a minor one about recoil. but its hip fire where i have all my issues with it

[tribal jacinth]

anyone in plat that can send me pics of the xp wep skin

[velvet path]

Yee r s

[vast vigil]

As an avid Roman Empire enjoyer I approve of this

[stray slate]

I’m trying to get better at FCAR

And famas. Just trying to use things other than AK

I need to play other classes more

[warped hamlet]

Not trying to get my self band but even with a monitor cross hair the LH1 accuracy makes zero sense

[sinful bluff]

my point exactly

[mellow lodge]

good old best weapon in the game 👍

[rain patrol]

I'd love it

[forest holly]

Do the ranked reward weapon skins apply to every weapon?

[slow crane]

huh?

[forest holly]

The weapon skins you get from playing ranked. The gold, platinum and diamond weapon skins

Can you apply them to any weapon? or just the ones shown?

[slow crane]

I think any weapon

[craggy copper]

Rate my Light loadout + style

[boreal zodiac]

Cool character man! I’d prefer my taser over gas grenade but that’s just me 🙂

Also m11 is crazy good (didn’t need the buff imho)

[smoky timber]

So happy the new meta is so blatantly powerful it has to get nerfed. Heal chains are actually ridiculous. Needs either less health regen or less heal time

[simple zealot]

scar go brrrr

[restive plover]

whats the best gadgets for ks23

[simple zealot]

acog

[restive plover]

wait how do i even use this thing

[grim gazelle]

need an anti cheater weapon plz Embark, thx

[polar gazelle]

you mean aimbot?

[grim gazelle]

i mean nukes lol

[reef sage]

Right now it's very difficult to use this thing, they really need to buff it or something. I'd suggest using sa1216, it got nerfed yesterday but still better than this one

[restive plover]

yep, im a revolver main so its kinda hard for me, but its super fun to use

[reef sage]

I know, I'm a sucker for a good pump shot but it's still raw

[restive plover]

its really the meatiness of the gun, its like a grenade launcher

im pretty sure it shoots explosive slugs, like it can bust down anything in 5 shots, walls, cranes

[reef sage]

They're regular slugs but this destructive capability of a gun is not that useful. You need 3-4 shots to break a simple wall and this thing only has 6 shots, I know when fully empty it reloads pretty fast but still. To break walls you can just use a trusty hammer or a C4

[regal crag]

that's hated by everyone wth

[restive plover]

Is anyone getting stuck by the goo gun

[steady wave]

93r is relaly a trash weapon

[gleaming ridge]

Yeah, the new shotgun really needs some love. It just shoots so sloooow. Can't hardly finish a kill before getting taken out as it takes 2 business days to rack in the next shell lol.

[balmy crane]

Why is the knife so bad 5 heavy or 5 regular swings to kill a medium is really bad

[gleaming ridge]

If you mean the dagger, it's gimmick is back stabs, if you heavy swing on their back it'll one shot a medium and mess a heavy up bad.

[balmy crane]

On the second or 3rd swing ur good as dead

[balmy crane]

Good luck flanking with people that are trained to hear invisible sound queues

[gleaming ridge]

I've heard it's best with the dash, you dash behind and stab.

[brittle yoke]

gotta use the dash with dagger goofball

[balmy crane]

I do goofball it only has like a distance of 5 meters

[gleaming ridge]

High skill floor weapon. Very hard to use, but if you're really good you can wipe a team fast.

[balmy crane]

Every time I cut the pie with dash I get flicked on

[brittle yoke]

look up akiba step or dash dagger tutorial, the idea is to lurk then go for front stabs

[gleaming ridge]

I do think it's base damage should get a small buff, or attack speed.

[balmy crane]

I tried genji blade style dash behind there head but the hit doesn’t Register as a back stab if they turn and I hit and arm or some bs

[brittle yoke]

its really a timing thing, ideally you want to hit the backstab during the dash animation

or JUST after

[balmy crane]

So ur saying a gimmic weapon like that doesn’t need base damage buff not even a little bit

[brittle yoke]

i mean i feel like if it was viable in any serious manner it would make everyone very angry, it oneshots all the classes

i love the dagger though i love a gimmicy weapon and learning hard weapons is fun

i wouldent mind a base damage buff tho ig

[restive plover]

Light meta rn?

[stiff isle]

is light meta

[gleaming ridge]

I feel like Lights have several good weapons depending on playstyle. The M11 is really good, sword is pretty strong too. The semi auto pistol is pretty nuts. Sniper is a bit of an edge case, it's cracked in power shift, and situational in other modes imo.

[topaz sparrow]

Lights crumble when they meet the talls

But they do wipe the floor with mediums

Especially now that wallhack is gone

[gleaming ridge]

Yeah, that's why I'm no good at Lights. Too little hp for my taste lol. I do feel like mediums are missing something. Like they die slightly slower than lights, but a lot of their weapons feel meh? FAMAS is great, and so is the FCAR but other than that they feel kinda limited.

[stiff isle]

ahhhh

[latent jewel]

do you think that vanish bomb has a higher intimidation factor that real utility?

[toxic plover]

sorry for the message, trying to level up to join VC lmao

[icy sparrow]

Add a fast slide/half step for dagger when u tap left or right twice quickly also a faster slide lunge for evasiveness as that’s what the dagger is about,add quick regen for lights as they have so low health

Lights and heavies have interesting
abilities but medium has jumppad and defib while hopping and peeking using grenade launchers being op to lights and annoying to deal with other classes.
Why poison go through walls and have that big of an area of effect?
Poison mine and grenade launcher with turret spam ruins the game and 2 players it’s over!!!
What a joke!

Get the turret to track and show enemies only when hit and reduce the fire rate hitscan spammy nightmare and make more of a recon offensive thing.

An ability to see turrets and and mines through walls and hear footsteps near by to replace recon senses for medium but lights suffer from mines and turrets the most.

Add tactical compound bow and arrow for medium and show the distance in the scope to measure projectile distance.
Hold primary for hipfire and when u aim the scope it’s goes much further and does more damage
Medium dematerialiser audio que
Add grenade indicator

[autumn quiver]

I’m ngl the invisible stun gun combo needs nerfed

[fair agate]

hundred precent agree

they need to start listening to the community

[plush quiver]

Buff FAMAS

[balmy crane]

Buff knife in anyway better slide or more damage idc just buff it idc for back stabs it’s so annoying to miss a back stab and die

Or make the back stab sweet spot a bit bigger

[brittle yoke]

dagger is really weird to use in the ‘intended’ way where you walk behind them and right click. almost every time i try it that way i miss its very sad

it does a little lunge that pushes me out of the hitbox when im behind them and it makes me cry loudly

[icy sparrow]

U can help the game dev and community by repeating these ideas in feedback thread

[icy sparrow]

Dagger should be multipurpose tool to compensate for the lack of mobility like sword lunch dash so we need it to be stuck to walls used from wall jumping and short distance wall climbing/running,it’s mostly used for getting around vertical structures and combined with grapple hook or dash ability u can go places quicker.
Dagger wall jumps should be higher then normal jumps.

[icy sparrow]

New weapon idea💥(fanning revolver)
Get a medium range projectile based slug revolver for light that is single action but close range (hipfire only)u can do a 3 tap trick for it to do a 3 round burst it look really cool u can see it in YouTube https://youtube.com/shorts/Cm3Hi4rw-rk?si=jJrYVQs28mfSnGWE

[hallow leaf]

Just make the medium revolver have a fanning action for hip fire, light doesn't need any more pistols

[icy sparrow]

Medium has high health and op revolver hitscan with high recoil but fanning revolver for light has lower range and recoil and low accuracy hipfire so it’s for beginners who can’t handle medium revolver,it’s also projectile based like ks shotgun so u have to u have to account for projectile speed and bullet drop,it’s fair and skill based.
I was wondering lights have to be accurate with their shots for once and not spray and pray with high accuracy with most pistols and smgs.
I see what u mean medium class has boring weapons so it would be nice,it depends on the devs I don’t care what class gets it,I want it one way or the other.

[hallow leaf]

light doesnt need anything else

[icy sparrow]

Ok just get the devs to add it,I don’t care who get it.

[hallow leaf]

and tbf the hipfire on the medium revolver is ass, so i would rather they just fix that gun

[icy sparrow]

The revolver has high damage so u have to aim and not use hipfire,but the fanning revolver would give u a good start at least,plz give suggestions in feedback to devs,it’s too cool not to add in game

[south timber]

Gas going through Walls is very difficult to fix I think

[icy sparrow]

R u game dev?

Also any ways u do see how things r going here like people who complain about lights will get sky high after f scar much needed nerf.
The classes were tanks and lots of health post launch recently it became milliseconds but I think we will need a balance between the two extremes so nerf the smg while u nerf f scar

I get medium grenade launcher peeking and spamming and use poison mines(poison gas goes through walls wtf) to make the entire place inaccessible with hitscan spam turrets and when u have 2 players doing it u might as well leave the match.
Add explosive bolt cross bow that way u need to be accurate and set traps cause it will have a second delay when it stick to walls but it explodes immediately after u hit an enemy,give it a scope too,it’s skill based rather then hop and peek hipfire grenades everywhere!💀
Look at the auto cross from farcry4(it’s doesn’t have to be an exact copy it’s just for reference) but make it explosive bolt that’s it but I know people who like to spam mediums grenade launcher will disagree.

[south timber]

No but if everything is destructable it should be obvious that its a difficult task to archive

[icy sparrow]

I see your point

[vast viper]

I disagree... it would be memory intensive since each surface would need a property that prohibits the gas particle effect

[south timber]

Im not saying it shouldnt work like this just that its probably difficult

[icy sparrow]

Poison radius should be smaller,needs nerf

[icy sparrow]

I guess u r right then

[supple oracle]

please reconsider giving C4 2 charges again, whats the point of using the C4 for breaching when rocket does the same thing but much more flexible in use

[icy sparrow]

True,just make c4 more the one not stick to objects

[icy sparrow]

I was hoping the severs would take care of it

[vast viper]

AFAIK the servers would be the ones processing it, but that "gas" needs to be rendered and told to all players in the event they run into the space. I wouldn't know how to code it tbh.

[azure crystal]

whats the point of going turret i feel like the other two are better in every way. turret just gets insta destroyed

[icy sparrow]

So u need to know how to code it?
R u game dev?

[vast viper]

Not me specifically lol. I'm just saying, I personally wouldn't know how to code that.
I don't think an experienced dev would struggle with it.

[icy sparrow]

Leave it to the pros they should do it one or or the other

[vast viper]

Well the question was can it be done - technically, yes... but it's going to be more performance intensive for the server which means it'll be less smooth for some players.

[topaz sparrow]

Ackhtually, fanning is for double action revolvers. Finals' revolver is double action 🤓

[icy sparrow]

Thanks I don’t know much about guns

🥸

[topaz sparrow]

I think they should add single action revolver with gate loading

[fervent nebula]

does the "deal 5k damage with grenades" work with stuff like the medium or heavy grenade launcher?

[stray slate]

There should be THE FINALS trap shooting

[proper sage]

What is the best melee weapon to use? This includes gadgets and specialisations. I really enjoy using them but i cant seem to find what is the best one. And this might be controversial but i still use them in ranked so thats why i'd like to know wich is the best one.

[calm turtle]

what would yall say is the best weapon for light?

[frank timber]

Lh1 for ttk, xp for the sights and ammo/recoil

[shy linden]

Agree with this as well

[sand root]

Sniper is too strong and ruin fun in the new game mode

[mellow lodge]

honestly just need a heavy with brain cells, if no heavy then yeah it will ruin your fun

[sand root]

The the most don't know anything about good team comp or don't wanna win and don't care about the other. It would be nice then each class habe must pick number

[mellow lodge]

yeah i feel randoms in the new game mode are the worst i've ever experienced in a 5v5 mode in any game 😔

[runic hemlock]

Has anyone figured out how to instantly reload cancel with medium shotgun on PC without doing another action? There's a key for it on controller but not PC.. kind of aggravating

[icy sparrow]

Turrets should only track enemies when they r hit and show to player and reduce the range and and damage for balance and have it more of an offensive recon too rather then spam bullet.
Also fix thermal vision filter cause it’s ugly and make it recon mines and turrets through walls and mark it.
Have knife secondary fire stuck to vertical structure and wall run and wall jump side to side so it’s not an awkward weapon and a mobility tool as well.
Have grapple hook not cancel momentum when u let go

[mellow lodge]

you can cancel reload the shotgun on controller?

[runic hemlock]

Yes, one of the buttons will literally instant-cancel your reload lol. There's no M&K equivelant

[mellow lodge]

i play controller and have zero idea what button you are talking about

[runic hemlock]

https://youtu.be/Q5IVcm5OkRo?t=14s

[mellow lodge]

damn

time to make people mad with the model now

[sterile blaze]

make the stun gun do less time stunned the more heavy a character is for example light 6 or 7 seconds medium 5 or 4 seconds heavy 2 or 3 seconds, this would balance it out instead of just stunning for the same time on all the classes as you get less rewarded for hitting a heavy whos slower then a light

[icy sparrow]

The opposite heavy should be stunned the most cause more heath,u have to get better at aiming

[sterile blaze]

no that doesnt make sense because heavys are slower and you can aim and hit them easier as opposed to a light which is flying around you with a sword from all side or a gun

so since you hit a good shot on something faster you should get more rewarded for hitting a good shot

[fickle radish]

The only problem is that hitting with stun gun is easy af

[sterile blaze]

well that depends on your skill level if you can hit another light easily but it would be balanced since it wouldnt be the same for every class

[mellow lodge]

well hipfire in the game shreds, so stun isn't that bad, if anything it needa a rework entirely instead of nerfing of buffing

[boreal laurel]

Honestly they’re all about equal, especially with optimized builds and some skill. (Not saying good, just equal) It’s more about how you want to play. So:

• Sword is the movement sweat’s melee weapon, especially with dash. BTW always use dash with sword, ALWAYS. TTK is kind of low compared to the other melee weapons, but you get attack speed to compensate. Overall, sword is the most forgiving melee weapon. Build: dash, breach charge, grenades of your choosing
• Riot shield is secretly broken. Hard to use, but VERY good. You can two-shot lights, absorb infinite damage, and survive being stunned. Downside of course is how slow it is to attack. Build: zip line or jump pad, defibs, grenade and specialization of your choice
• Sledgehammer is probably the best overall, but also one of the most punishing if you miss. Hits crazy hard but pretty slow. Get good at right-click and you’ll be an absolute beast. Build: charge and slam, RPG, dome shield or barricade, grenade or mine
• I can’t speak for dagger—it’s the only melee weapon I haven’t played. It seems to be the hardest though, and probably the most punishing. You’re staking everything on backstabs. Do it right and you can wipe teams in 5 seconds flat. Do it wrong and you’re absolutely useless.

Those are my thoughts. Hope it helps.

[mellow lodge]

sledge is worst imo

[sterile blaze]

if ur close in u can get team wipes with it

add an ability for heavy (q ability) that spawns a circle that blows anything in that circle up pretty much immediately like a jumppad including buildings rubble teammates whatevers in it so basically a fast acting version of the anti grav cube that can damage buildings, also make it like 1.5 x or 2 x bigger zone area in the circle then the anti grav cube also it should have like a 1 or 2 second delay before flinging everything up fast in the circle

what do u all think?

[sterile blaze]

@icy sparrow i mean it as a zone where everything in the zone gets flung up

not a smash thing otherwise the other q ability would be useless

plus it would do enough damage to buildings so if there was a hulk smash it would be to op

[icy sparrow]

Jump pad but bigger?

[proper sage]

thank u mate appreciate the help

[sterile blaze]

basically but it can just push anything in that zone in that width or length up like pretty much immediately which could be good for building destruction and travel for teammates

[icy sparrow]

If that requires u to skip most of the terrain then no,the devs want u to use the map they built not quickly break and skip it,common sense

[sterile blaze]

like if u placed it under a cashout it would rip a hole under the floor of the cashout and fling cashout up, obviously if it was a massive building like the one in seoul then it would ripple and the damage would eventually stop on the 2nd or 3rd floor

[icy sparrow]

Too much destruction in a small time so op

[sterile blaze]

ig one floor would be pretty balanced then

i can see one floor being balanced i mean it is ur q ability

[night cobalt]

Heavy needs some kind of rework to the c4 this is what I want to see 60 damage for each across the board and a 45 second recharge for each and 3 seconds tell they can be used make the red barrel do 70 damage, across-the board to.

[restive plover]

I use pump x invis rn.. the Update gave a new weapon for light. Is it good? Should i change?
My build is (idk rly the names):
Invis + Pump
Stun Gun
Pyro Granade
Teleporter

[mellow lodge]

the new pistol is ass

[restive plover]

But is my build good or would you change smth

[mellow lodge]

well it's alright, though shitgun kinda sucks

[restive plover]

What to use instead?

[mellow lodge]

m11, lh1, vps, xp-54 all good

shotgun just very inconsistent since the nerf a while back

[steel pelican]

The more I play dagger the more I wish embark would fix the jank backstab hitbox

also the more I play powershift the more I hate sniper or turret players

[spark linden]

how do i blow up the breacher charge? can't figure it out

[slim spire]

right click

[opaque mica]

every light uses stun gun -_-

It's too easy to toss out and delete a class from full with any of the lights weapons.

but anyways, better nerf heavy.

[spark linden]

on controller nothing works weirdly. if right click is to aim, should be the aim button on controller, which doesn't work..... but it DOES work on my mouse

[naive bear]

do yall find it hard to see the LH1 irons in night maps, they arent bad looking in the day but at night its nearly impossible for me to see. I think we should get glowing irons like the one for this skin

[opaque mica]

I think maybe stun needs another nerf down to at least 2 seconds at most because lights can just pop a stun and 60-70% of the time kill even a heavy in that 3.5 where heavy has little counter play to it.

the KS23 has a weird projectile delay/travel time that makes even point black (within 6-7m) miss without leading the target which is grossly difficult given lights movement speed.

It's also unbearably slow to fire and reload, please can we get either stat sped up a little as using it for breaking walls is a complete waste of time because of those two things and its lack of potency against structures for how slow those 2 stats are.

[polar raven]

once light gets buffed or medium and heavy gets nerfed yeah stun gun should probably get nerfed

[mellow lodge]

but until then stun is in a decent state compared to everything else 👍

[polar raven]

it's definitely pretty good rn but if its nerfed then light will just be ass again (it still is anyways)

[mellow lodge]

yeah stun is what allows for cap denial and a good chance at killing people

like if someone has high sensitivity you are gonna get killed or like 2 shots till death

hipfire in this game is insane

[polar raven]

lh1 dash

[mellow lodge]

sword dash

[fickle charm]

I like melee but may I please play the game instead of the game playing me?

[mellow lodge]

just become a sword dash god

[fickle charm]

https://tenor.com/view/sword-smacked-shut-up-lol-fail-gif-8828155

[viral wyvern]

Ку бро

[frail robin]

Шта?

[pallid lintel]

I don’t need anymore of those in my lobbies thank you!

[torn olive]

do any of you guys train recoil using aimlabs or other methods, tell me how?

[gilded shoal]

I use kovaak's for mouse control, but recoil is usually something done in game

[torn olive]

yes, I used to play cs and got used to the fact that there are many maps created by the type of aimbots, I would like to see something like this in tf, but all we have is a crappy practice range

[vestal ivy]

gogo gadget

[stable gulch]

Mp5 with suppressor please

[pallid lintel]

Does anyone else here have the feeling that the shotgun for medium build is 50/50 with its shots?

[paper ivy]

Yep

[restive plover]

Very much so.

[pallid lintel]

I replayed one of my recordings with the shotty and my crosshair was dead centre but no hit?!!!!!

[paper ivy]

Really? Wow

@pallid lintel wanna play

[potent ledge]

nerf the fucking stun gun

make the stun gun last 2 seconds and let you jump and aim while you have the movment fuck and low sens

[fathom spindle]

What do you main?

[potent ledge]

i main medium

[mellow lodge]

what gun?

[fathom spindle]

Keep grenade launcher in reserve if you get a lobby wit heaps of lights

[potent ledge]

akm

[mellow lodge]

then just hip fire the light that stuns you

[potent ledge]

it dose not help when they empty the etire mag i 1 sec

[mellow lodge]

you literally have a faster ttk than them

[grave trellis]

Hipfire Akm counters lots of stuns sience the light closes in for the kill lol

[mellow lodge]

hipfire anything counters stun gun

[grave trellis]

Akm has a large mag so its stronger for hipfire imo

[potent ledge]

bro all the stus that hit me are at least 30 meters away and emty the mag in one sec

[mellow lodge]

just forgets the whole part of having a higher ttk than said lights

[potent ledge]

wtf do is ttk(im from norway)

[grave trellis]

The stun gun doesnt stun 30 meters away and light smgs have dmg drop off so they need to come closer to land the shots after

[mellow lodge]

time to kill, how long something takes to die

in which light has the lowest in the game

like sure i get stun gun is annoying and yes it's bad for the game, but also light just sucks

[potent ledge]

they do have the higest dps because of the fire rate

[fathom spindle]

Just main light then go with the meta

Lights op asf

[mellow lodge]

they only do against other lights

people have done the math and medium just does more dps

[potent ledge]

bro i'm never gonna play light. I suck with it and i have the recoil pattern memorized on the akm so i beam people on long distanse. The only thing that makes the light op is the stun, cloak and the fucking sniper dude and mby the sword

[mellow lodge]

light is not op 😔

otherwise picking it in comp wouldn't count as throwing

[potent ledge]

and that is only if your a good light or play as a fucking puss y

[fathom spindle]

I can use sword, dash with stun and bearly use it in a game and drop 20 plus kills trust lights easy too many good weapons

[potent ledge]

the stun needs a fucking nerf/balance change

[potent ledge]

and moast lights are puss,ys or dont have any skill. some are good at the game, but it's rare

[fathom spindle]

Play with me I’m cracked

Lights hardest to use most say but most are just trash lol

[golden adder]

Light being able to hit you almost 40ft away with a taser and then crouch walk backwards and delete you with their midrange weapons is bullshit.

That’s not to mention the interaction making melee completely unusable.

[fathom spindle]

I agree stun should not be able to shoot past 10m

[mellow lodge]

oh no it shoots an extra 2 metres what ever shall we do 😂

[potent ledge]

Bro, you don't whant to play with me. Every game i play there is almoast always a cheater/hacker with aim-bot💀 im just very unlucky

[vale musk]

u know taser has 12m range?

[fathom spindle]

I play Oceania don’t really come across many crazy things have seen some sus shit tho

I reckon should be half should have to risk getting close up to stun

[golden adder]

Convert it to freedom units

[potent ledge]

12 meters is 39.3701 feet

[golden adder]

Tell that to Finch

[vale musk]

u do have smol foot i guess there

[potent ledge]

i once saw a guy flying and spinning around with a full ato sniper shooting at the rate of an akm troug walls hitting only headshots😂

it was fun to watch tho, but annoying

[night cobalt]

Buff some heavy stuff like the guns or the gadgets

[potent ledge]

Bro wtf. They don't need a buff💀

[golden adder]

Sledge, MGL, KS23, flamethrower

[night cobalt]

See

[solemn jasper]

Dont you think they should make the overheat for turrets? Cuz that infinite shooting...

[night cobalt]

Buff c4 by doing this make it so it does 50 damage across-the-board no matter how far away it hits you but make the radius of explosion not too big. Make it so the red container bomb thing does 70 damage on impact.

[night cobalt]

If they overheat they’ll be useless, but I think they should do is make it so they have a 5% shorter range 5% less damage and a 5% slower rate

[solemn jasper]

Maybe maybe

[sullen hazel]

i swear i see a lot of classes using weapons they cant use is it a glitch or a visual bug a exploit has anyone else ran into this?

[night cobalt]

Proof?

[night cobalt]

?

[remote sable]

i have awaken from my overslept morning with a message from the lord above, a good message of the gospel

make lights have the fcar

i now go back to sleep

[zealous dove]

what are yall using instead of the c4 now on heavy

[remote sable]

explosive mines 100%
wait for the blue light and audio queue and shoot it to blow things out

[zealous dove]

i'll try it -- any hope in the anti grav cube?

movement/bunkering

[polar trout]

I like the god cube. It turns out to be massively useful for clearing and movement, and can also be really useful in power shift. Hell one time I had a friend use dematerialize-inator and I used the cube to raise the cash out through the hole which he then closed. Funny asf

[bright fiber]

Lol nice

[remote sable]

a funny thing to do with it is to toss it on people getting defib'd so their mobility is seriously limited

as well as tossing it on a statue and making it slowly float away from a desperate medium with their defib out

[polar trout]

I love the defib change like just aim at the head of the statue and fire at the right time and they're dead(assuming you use something with enough single shot damage)

[polar trout]

But yeah I'd highly recommend at least trying the god cube it comes in handy more than you'd think

[gilded shoal]

foam grenade is immense for this purpose

separating a medium from the statue is so so good

anyways remove defib from the game, thanks

[sick fossil]

or make it so you can destroy players being revived

[slender forum]

Guys do you have a tutorial for the knife/dagguer pls

[soft juniper]

Nerf idea for APS turret (this is after seeming it so much in Powershift) make it lose hp for objects that it destroys

[soft juniper]

No really tutorial but I can tell you what you need to do?

[bright kite]

Maybe buff the range on the model

[opaque mica]

Put a small internal cooldown of either 0.75 or 1s on the APS so it's still good but not a ridiculous shutdown of projectiles or give a damned line of sight requirement at least.

too many times it deletes shit under the floor it's on.

[hallow leaf]

Can we get a ballista or cannon for heavy?

[slender forum]

Like ? Dashing ? check. Invisibility bomb ? Check. Stun gun ? Check

[soft juniper]

Stun gun is ok but as a dagger player you want to make sure they don’t know your coming so only use stun gun as a way to stop people from cashing out if you are not able to backstab them

Or as an escape tool

If your also new to Dagger I would suggest using cloak first then move to dash once your confident

[kind otter]

Remove the sniper it ruins the game

[night cobalt]

Nuh huh

[shrewd plinth]

can we have solo mode?

[kind otter]

yes that would be awsome

[night cobalt]

What kind like what? A death match or what?

[shrewd plinth]

yeahh would be super cool

[night cobalt]

Yurt

[shrewd plinth]

Hope we see it soon

[gritty swallow]

A death match would be Fun in general to have something fresh

[opaque mica]

ah yes fresh like every other bloody fps.

[magic oasis]

you should add kill anymations !

[opaque mica]

go play battlefield for those or wankzone.

[hardy kernel]

You know that you can do 400 dps with the dagger, with 1 hit?

And please put overheat for turret

[soft juniper]

I know but running stun gun can alert the person that your there making the backstab harder I feel it’s better to not do that

[faint wraith]

anyone know how to level up the gateway gadget. im not gaining too much xp after using it in almost all of my games.

[magic oasis]

we need better skinds for guns with animations

[viscid gull]

that would be fire

[vocal urchin]

Goo Gun should get an ads firing mode for precision gooing.

[boreal laurel]

I never thought I’d hear the term “precision gooing” in my life.

But yes, I agree.

[dire geyser]

how

that is beautiful

[night cobalt]

Thx

[slim linden]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/995485555884298320/1220854495320473640/New_Project_14.png?ex=6610745a&is=65fdff5a&hm=b676800b932a12ecc85863e86246b3d59de871c7064662de4e84901fc0428014&

[mellow lodge]

there was never saying they weren't viable, the fcar just does everything the other 2 do but better

also that famas ttk seems incredibly low so i think that has to be wrong

ass if that ttk is true the famas is indeed not viable

[restive plover]

So.

apparently the glitch grenades disables AND activates the moving vertical platforms.

meaning if you toss it at one and the other team doesnt have a jumpad theyre fucked.

[elder zealot]

I think there is need to be a cartoony style skin

1. the pistol from medium that has like that flag with a bang 2. a cartoon hammer for heavy 3. a skin for the sawed of barrels

pirate skin

1. a cannon skin for the grenade launcher for heavy

2. a flintlock for the medium pistol

3. a saber for light

a astronaut

1. a light saber for light

2. pulse rifle for the fcar

3. a space flamethrower that's shoots bleu fire

[soft juniper]

It probably based on things like - How many times you used it. - How many times people go through it. - Objects thrown through it. But that just my guess

[slim linden]

it is that low

[mellow lodge]

0.92 on a light is one of the worst ttk in the entire game, it gotta be wrong

[slim linden]

not the worst

[mellow lodge]

yeah thats why i said one of the worst the only thing worse are the mlee weapons

so if that screenshot was telling the truth the famas is the worst gun in the game

[slim linden]

the sr

[mellow lodge]

if you are playing the sr and aren't headshotting with a sniper stop using it

[slim linden]

still H and M 1.5 with heads

if you using sniper anyways, stop using it

[mellow lodge]

with is literally faster than the famas in that screenshot

[slim linden]

not for M

with heads, and its the same with heads for H

[mellow lodge]

M is one headshot then one body shot which is 1.5

[slim linden]

well if you not hitting headshots dont use it

[mellow lodge]

yeah so we take sniper out of the convo, the famas is the worst gun in the game if your math is correct

[slim linden]

KS-23

[mellow lodge]

has a way faster ttk

[slim linden]

can name loads, famas is not bad, remember that damage is over a much longer range

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/995485555884298320/1220908653419434055/image.png?ex=6610a6ca&is=65fe31ca&hm=c82fb55567e988428dc434d3a566a7e2a8e1a8b828592f343563a32f77fbc259&

higher ttk for M

but not H, like i said famas isnt bad, just situational

[half shell]

dear god please fix the healing gun bug where it just doesnt work for an entire match

im tired of just throwing matches from this

[ebon crane]

sword and dash is fucking bullshit. doesnt even need to touch you and boom half your health is gone

[whole venture]

Yo so i swear to god the swords are bummy. Its an fps bruhhhhhhh. Anyways, the ak and the famas are the two best guns for medium. Ong no one will change my mind

[soft juniper]

its worse if your a light because they can Charge attack and quick melee you for an insta kill

but it can be tricky to pull off because if you do it too soon you cancel the charge attack

[ebon crane]

oh yeah, they just have to add a regular attack to the end of that to basically one shot mediums, animation canceling and dash makes melee no fun to play against

[mellow lodge]

wanna know what else isn't fun to play against? turret, aps, mines and grenade launcher on the same guy

[stark kayak]

restart your game. only option until they fix it. you’ll be able to rejoin

[soft juniper]

another APS turret nerf Idea is they cant destroy throwables throw cover (Walls, Goo, Barricades ect)

[bold tide]

heelo

like this game

[cloud echo]

almost got mine level 6

[cloud echo]

use it every time its up and further distance more xp

[cloud echo]

and if teammates go through it more xp

[echo mantle]

what we think about light sniper/melee weapons (sword)?

[chilly turret]

hate

[echo mantle]

yee, i want them to nerf it a lil

i feel heavy and medium are quite balanced for the most part, then again i dont play enough to tell exactly

[mellow lodge]

melee weapons are in a good state, sniper is fine except in powershift

dagger needs to be fixed though

[echo mantle]

you think sword is fine? dash sword is very annoying, ig you can deal with it but close quarters not fun

[mellow lodge]

buggy hitboxes rn

[mellow lodge]

annoying sure but it is balanced

[echo mantle]

dagger and other melee are fine

[mellow lodge]

dagger is not fine it so buggy

[echo mantle]

i mean balance wise, not bugs

[mellow lodge]

the only unbalanced thing about sword is the giant ass lunge hitbox, but if it didn't have that it would be less fun

[soft juniper]

Ok I think it would be cool if heavy got a special that let them charge a super jump if they stand still they move upward but if there moving they will jump in that direction

[restive plover]

Fcar needs more recoil

[polar raven]

dagger and riot shield are terrible (against good players where you are at a similar skill level)

[soft juniper]

It’s not that there terrible it’s just they have a higher skill ceiling

• Dagger has always been one of the most difficult to master weapons in the game considering you “HAVE” to back stab people

[pearl jungle]

yeah I would really like a combat focused mode that doesn’t have a specific objective other than getting kills

[broken plover]

the items that use a tablet should be customizable

[fickle radish]

team deathmatches dont work anymore in modern videogames. Gamemodes need an objective to force fights imo

[wise briar]

Dear embark. Why did you decide to make Lights overwhelmingly powerful while you decided to make mediums ridiculously weak?

Why did you removed all the great gadgets for us mediums while you gave them even more nicer toys

[fickle radish]

wut?

[wise briar]

Ah well. Why would u listen to me anyway

[fickle radish]

just asking cause atm i think that you are literally the first person that i saw complaining about lights being strong and mediums being weak

[polar raven]

💀 let me guess you lost to some cloak user

[wise briar]

You dont offten get abused by lights do you

[polar raven]

im sorry but saying mediums are rediculously weak is just so funny

[fickle radish]

not really tbh

[wise briar]

Let me rephrase it in a more different perspective. Lights are moronically ridiculously godlike. Hows that

[polar raven]

what is that even supposed to mean? becuase they ahve a few more movement abilities?

[fickle radish]

and dont get me wrong uh, i hate lights, i would be happy to totally delete them from the game, but cause its a class that i useless af

[polar raven]

@wise briar so was i right

[wise briar]

https://youtu.be/TFyHzIJ6Ep4?si=_cVmGcI3utuQ8t87

[wise briar]

Tell me you are bloody okay with this

[fickle radish]

proceeds to post a video of a godlike streamer killing 7 bots as a prove*

[polar raven]

yeah ok so they just didnt even shoot back and are blind enough not to see a cloak right up in theri face, not to mention this guy is extremely good at the game

[wise briar]

Those are not bots mate. Those are comp players

[polar raven]

and also he had time to heal in between

[polar raven]

yeah comp players that played like its their first game

[wise briar]

This is completely unbalanced. How is this even fun

7 against 1?

[polar raven]

what is unbalanced, cloak? cloak makes a massive sound and isnt that hard to see honestly its just your problem if you cant see them

[polar raven]

it wasnt 7v1 just he killed 7 people without dying in a somewhat short timeframe

[wise briar]

Their damage are rificulously OP and they evade like cockroaches.

[polar raven]

light dps is only about 25-30% higher than heavys

[wise briar]

How can mediums even survive all of that

[polar raven]

medium and light firing at each other assuming same % of shots are hit medium always wins

[wise briar]

Not only they have gazillions of ammo count in their weapons, but their dps is also OP af? Now they stole our gadgets as well? What do we mediums even get? A fucking object reshaper? Who uses that?

[polar raven]

what are you talking about lmao heavys are the ones with big mags lights have the worst mag sizes in the entire game, the dps is like 10-20% more than a medium and yet lights have only 60% of their hp

[mellow lodge]

mfw light has worst ttk

[wise briar]

Those machine guns arent exactly accurate. Plus its not an issue at all about heavies. Their dps isnt all that powerful

Their shields and health compensates all of that loss

[polar raven]

what are you talking about heavies are infact the issue 2.33x the hp of a light and only about 25% less dps, light guns are also probably the least accurate overall

youre just angry because you lost to some cloak light

[wise briar]

They dont need accuracy. You are already dead before you even know it

Lost to "some" clock lights. Please. Dont twist my words

[polar raven]

???? buddy have you even played this game before light loses every 1 on 1 interaction (pure shooting) against a medium or a heavy like litearlly every single one

[wise briar]

You havent seen how OP they are. Prolly bcs u never suffered from it

Buddy. I already acheived the mediums acheivement. I have played more than enough

[polar raven]

i havent seen how op they are becuase they arent, theres some people who can play light very well but it is a lot harder to play than the other classes and a lot more work is needed to even compete with them

[mellow lodge]

if lights were op, you wouldn't be avoided by literally eveyr single ranked player

[polar raven]

ok so you have a lot of playtime nad youre still complaining about lights thats just a skill issue lol

idk what else to tell you

like 150 wins with medium and you think lights can kill you before you can even react?

[wise briar]

Its not even skill issue. My aim is true.

[polar raven]

surely youre being satire at this point

[wise briar]

Ah well whats the point anyway

Lights will always be broken at this point

[mellow lodge]

💀

[polar raven]

please tell me what about light is broken (other than stun gun you can argue that but you can still easily win 1v1s)

150 wins with medium and you still think lights are broken thats crazy

[mellow lodge]

i have 150 wins with light recently

light is not op at all

[wise briar]

Not only they can murder all class with just one clip. They evade like the fucking flash. And now they're given nice fancy gadgets to even further become a nuisance?

[polar raven]

me too, you really have to work a lot harder than the other classes to beat them and half the time you just get rpg'ed

[mellow lodge]

sounds like you are bad at the game

[polar raven]

yeah have you heard of a thing called shooting back?? as I've already explained to you light has the worst 1 on 1 interactiosn out of all three classes

[wise briar]

Yeah sure im bad at shooting games that i've been playing for decades. Why not

[polar raven]

yeah you probably are considering what youve been saying for the past 20 minutes lol

[wise briar]

I would shoot back if im not being killed after 1 second

[polar raven]

ok that just provces it its just skill issue

[mellow lodge]

yeahmedium kills light in less than a second

[polar raven]

light has the worst accuracy guns so unless if youre veyr up close its actually pretty hard to kill a medium in just a second and even then you can kill a light in .5s with just fcar body shots

[wise briar]

Its an unbalanced issue like i always said. Idk why u keep on insulting me

[polar raven]

have you even read what ive said? it feels like ive been talking to a brick wall because ive already explaiend that light has the worst one on one interactions and can we at least agree on that first

[mellow lodge]

because light is actually just shit in this game, the only use light has is being fun

[polar raven]

or outplaying your opponents (and no i am not talking about cloak)

[wise briar]

Yes im well aware they have the lowest HP of all other classes

[polar raven]

that is not what i said, the time for a light to kill a medium is a lot longer than the time for a medium to kill a light

[wise briar]

They dont need accuracy. Their dps is already insane

[polar raven]

look ill give you the exact numbers lets compare xp and fcar

[mellow lodge]

it isn't though that's what we are saying

literally check pins for a spreadsheet on ttk and weapons stats

[polar raven]

xp takes 0.87s to kill a medium if you hit all body shots (very hard unless at close range) and fcar takes 0.5s to kill a light (also all body shots) and a lot easier to hit your shots

that is nearly double the time

we can compare heavy too, an m60 takes 0.6s to kill a light while an xp takes a whole 1.26s to kill the heavy, yes the heavy is easier to hit but thats more than double the time and chances are you run out of bullets half the time as the light

[wise briar]

None of that matters if they can sneak up on you and evade like hell. Not to mention you cant even aim down sight if they stun u. How can u survive all of that?

[polar raven]

you can sneak up on them too?? if you cnat hear/see cloak thats your problem and stun gun just makes it so that it takes even longer for them to kill you and you dont even need to ads

[mellow lodge]

hhipfire in this game is so op

[fickle radish]

tbh like 7/8 times every 10 that i get stunned as a medium with fcar i survive killing the light. I'm not saying random numbers, i started counting it

[polar raven]

stun gun literally makes the fight harder half the time becuase you give them more time to shoot you back

i usually only stun if im fighting multiple people or say a heavy is holding rpg

[wise briar]

Dude. Most of the matches, you will see lights has most of the kills. Idk how u dont even notice that. Idk about you but that is ridiculously sus

[polar raven]

nope most of the time they will have the most deaths

[polar raven]

if you think lights are so broken why dont you play some light and lets see your amazing kds

and no do not use cloak and play in casual that doesnt count

like yeah tehres always gonna be people with high kills but what is that supposed to mean

also light has very little support capabilities and this is a team game

[neat sun]

Yeah outside of power shift medium and heavy are a lot better

[polar raven]

even in power shift medium with aps and cl40 is still very good

[neat sun]

Yeah but you need one or two lights in power shift to deal with all the people on rooftops and to assist the people on platform with snipers

[mellow lodge]

even more poof that light is bad is that it's the only class with a hard countert, which is heavy

[polar raven]

imo power shift is a kinda poorly designed gamemode but thats not what we're talking about anyways

[mellow lodge]

very poorly designed, cool concept bad balance

[polar raven]

cool concept but doesnt really fit in a game like this imo

[topaz sparrow]

Wanna hear a joke?

[fickle radish]

i think they wanted to add a sort of team deathmatch with just shooting and chaos

[topaz sparrow]

Data reshaper 😂😂🤣🤣

[polar raven]

this would be cool but i just dont think that would work very well with the current maps

but there are definitely ways to implement something like that well

[mellow lodge]

best joke i've heard all day

[mellow lodge]

yet respawn time and the distance you need to go is cancerous lol

[fickle radish]

im referring to power shift. On new games a team deathmatch mode like the old call of dutys wouldnt work anymore. So they make easyer gamemodes with an easy objective to force fights. I think that was devs idea behind powershift mode

An easy mode, with only 2 teams, a lot of people, a lot of destruction, focused on a single objective and everybody shooting and having fast fights

[polar raven]

if that was their idea then i dont think it came out how they intended, at least not in the few games ive played

[pearl jungle]

seems like it to me!

[wise briar]

I hate lights. I will never play as light even to prove a point. The only reason im a medium main is because of the FCAR, the tracking dart, and defibs. I enjoyed supporting my whole team.

[polar raven]

ok never said you can't but I hope you agree with me now that they're not broken at all and if anything thwyre pretty bad

[wise briar]

Come on. They arent THAT bad

You've seen the youtube video link

Its just most light players are bad

[mellow lodge]

just because there are top 500 players that doesn't make the class good

and you just admitted to playing medium because of the most broken things in the entire game

[wise briar]

How are they broken

They dont exist anymore

[polar raven]

hello instant revives killing lights in <.5s with unmissable bullets what's not broken

[polar raven]

what did they just remove defib and fcar

[mellow lodge]

are you actually just trolling us?

[wise briar]

All sensor gadgets

[mellow lodge]

breeze i think we are getting baited

[polar raven]

yea never said they're unusable or anything but compard to medium and heavy lights are just worse

[polar raven]

yeah at this point I think so too

[wise briar]

Instant revive? What r u talking about? Its no longer instant. And they dont even give full health even on day 1

[polar raven]

it's still instant they just can't do anything for 3 seconds doesn't mean you cant do stuff and there's healing beam anyways

[wise briar]

Well that is what the gadget is for

[mellow lodge]

😔

[polar raven]

who used tracking dart anyways and so what if light has sonar medium can't just have all the broken gadgets

[polar raven]

ok so you admit it's broken??

[wise briar]

Its a defib. Why are u complaining when a medium instant revives u

[mellow lodge]

...

[polar raven]

you have got to be fucking stupid

[wise briar]

Call me whatever u want

[polar raven]

no I'm saying the truth

[mellow lodge]

i love fighting a full team of mediums killing one, he gets res'd instantly, kill other other oh no anothe defib? kill one more? oh another defib

[wise briar]

Bitching about getting instant revive. What a joke

[mellow lodge]

let's fucking go fighting the exact same team twice withing 5 seconds

[polar raven]

yeah no I'm done here

[wise briar]

U forgot that they gave up being other classes

[mellow lodge]

medium is the most fucking op class in the game but oh well, live in your world of trolling us

good job you trolled us, want a cookie?

[wise briar]

Enjoy getting fucking sworded by lights

[mellow lodge]

i'm the light swording you cause you can't aim

[wise briar]

Yeah i sure cant aim 360 all over the place when u fucking lights moves like the flash

[polar raven]

you have wasd too hello

[wise briar]

I thought u're done. Fuck off

[polar raven]

ok now you're just being rude lol

[wise briar]

So were u lol

[mellow lodge]

to be fair though you don't accept math

[polar raven]

but saying you have skill issue is more of a fact than being rude

[wise briar]

Hey not everybody has an aim of an aimbotter

[frail root]

what did I miss

[mellow lodge]

G says light is op, medium is garbage, light has fastest ttk in the game

[polar raven]

yeah guess what the lights have to hit you too and it takes them at least twice as long to kill you as it takes you to kill them

[frail root]

med mains 🍵

also obviously light has the fastest ttk, that's the point of the class

the main issue rn is that said fast ttk doesn't balance out the healthpool

[polar raven]

no he's saying lights can kill mediums faster than medium can kill light lol

[mellow lodge]

dwayne stop that, no they don't

[frail root]

mathematically false

[wise briar]

On the contrary, it depends on what weapon that light is using. Those smgs are ridiculously OP

[polar raven]

nope compare XP to fcar XP takes .87s and fcar takes .5

[wise briar]

No one even use that shit burst pistol at all

[frail root]

yeah that's what I said

[polar raven]

I am comparing XP to the fcar

[frail root]

my brother in christ you have the FCAR

[polar raven]

yeah so light infact takes longer to kill a medium than the medium takes to kill the light

[mellow lodge]

he also said he plays medium only for fcar and defib

[frail root]

yeah this is a known fact

[mellow lodge]

and we said they the most broken thing in the game 😔

[polar raven]

he seems to think otherwise

[frail root]

I don't know why you'd try and dispute that it's one of the big things people bring up when talking about light balance

[polar raven]

tell that to him lol

[frail root]

that the gap between how fast light kills other classes vs how fast they kill light is so large that light can basically only take like half the fights the other classes can

[wise briar]

Yes im grateful for it even though they still nerfed the damage

[mellow lodge]

wtf are you on about?

[frail root]

26 -> 25 damage nerf does literally nothing

[polar raven]

oh no not the .5s to .5s ttk on a light

[frail root]

the max falloff nerf does basically nothing

[polar raven]

what a massive nerf I'm sure that changed a lot

[wise briar]

U forgot to mention their evasions

[mellow lodge]

what fucking evasion? dash?

[polar raven]

yeah it doesn't fucking matter when you kill them in .5s does it

[frail root]

I think you're overstating the practicality of the light specs in combat

[wise briar]

It used to be 26 damage per hit

[frail root]

the change to 25 did literally nothing

[mellow lodge]

that doesn't change ttk at all

[polar raven]

that's like nerfing sword lunge damage to 139, literlaly will not change anything

[frail root]

like that's not even an exagerration literally nothing about the weapon changed from that nerf

[wise briar]

I didnt exaggerate anything. Im not even complaining about it. Im just stating that nerf change to colby

[polar raven]

yeah we all know about it your point is?

[wise briar]

There was no point. It was merely an explanation

[frail root]

why did you say it like the nerf did something tho

[mellow lodge]

oh i thought you were complaining about it

[wise briar]

Why do you have to twist my words and make me the villain

[polar raven]

it's not that deep

[frail root]

what

[wise briar]

Sigh...whatever. at the end of the day, nothing is really perfect

[mellow lodge]

yes as light is a big womp womp time 😔

[wise briar]

Badum tssss

[frail root]

where's the joke tho

[mellow lodge]

i assume he is implying light being bad is the joke

[runic quiver]

just use m11

[slender forum]

thank you but i don't want to sneak to kill i will show up infront of him and win. But im gettin skill issue : (

[slow crane]

one damage nerf definitely does something 🫨

[slow crane]

dagger needs so much skill I need to see how someone who is good with it plays

[sick fossil]

i think they should make the dagger instakill heavies

whats the point of making it .3 milliseconds away from killing a heavy with your melee

[opaque mica]

because an instakill for little effort gives far too much kill potential to an already ridiculous class

[terse notch]

whats a good build for light? rn im running dash, xp, gas nades, the portal thing, and stun gun

[chilly turret]

Do you want good or fun?

[night cobalt]

I would make the c4 do 60 damage or 55 damage across-the-board and make the red barrel do 50 damage, across-the-board. Make it so the cool down for each C4 is 45 seconds. For the thermal vision make it so it lasts 15 seconds you can see people through walls that heat signatures when they’re 15 m away. and make it to their orange.

[bright marlin]

Yo

[boreal laurel]

I use sword, dash, glitch/pyro grenade, frag grenade, and breaching charge. More fun than meta though…

[timid dagger]

What would you say the worst gun/weapon in the game is

[mossy sigil]

Worst to play against? Or just worst

[restive plover]

little effort

Man's got jokes.

[runic leaf]

What can I do about the stun gun as heavy?

[opaque mica]

accept your fate.

[stark kayak]

turn audio up and use mesh shield. then pray your tm8s are good

[icy sparrow]

Need m11 nerf

[opaque mica]

need to add recoil to lights.

[leaden flax]

A sword should not be able to deal 280 damage and one shot mediums and almost heavies remove the sword now. You need everything about the heavy but can’t remove the sword???

[azure dawn]

Pfffffffft

[versed valley]

I'm a new player and I want recommendations on a heavy build, I already tried the SA1216 and hated it's play style. I have tried other weapons but just want some recommendations as most of the ones I found online were shotgun centric.

[azure dawn]

Try Lewis Gun or M60

[muted yew]

It does 140 per CHARGED hit, maybe try dodging it or shooting

[azure dawn]

Nah he lets his hands off the keyboard and watches

[muted yew]

Figures

[versed valley]

Ty

[azure dawn]

Imagine complaining about something that you don't even know about and asking for it to be removed 💀

[muted yew]

Unfortunately it’s a common thing, most people don’t take the effort to fact check their own statements

[azure dawn]

Fr GLaDOS, fr

[potent ledge]

I do before i complain but i dont whant anythig to be removed. I just whant them to balance the game more like why dose the stun have 12 meters/ 39,8 fett range and stops you from aiming?

You shuld be abel to aim down shigts when stuned

At least

[muted yew]

I feel like the stun gun should’ve been on the heavy, allowing the heavy to have more ways to chase people down

[potent ledge]

Ye but then it just need to slow the person down so they can catsh up to the person they are chaising

[spiral osprey]

play goo gun its even better than stun at that since they cant even shoot back since it bocks their shots

[lone gale]

Goo gun doesnt disable gadgets

[stark kayak]

can’t really use said gadgets when stuck in goo tho lol

[spiral osprey]

i actually does tho lmao if you direct impact a turret it stops it from firing and mines dont work either

[lone gale]

If i'm in goo, I can charge slam out. If i'm stunned, no such luck

[tame cliff]

Which Medium and Light weapon is the best/most meta these days?

[restive plover]

For medium the scar is still on top. Light is either the xp54 or lh1.

[alpine kestrel]

Light's options seem pretty well balanced, I see a lot of M11 and XP54 around, the former probably being better, but I will always vouch for the sword above everything else. I've wiped entire teams with it and the right dash movement. High risk high reward

[leaden flax]

Yeah because dodging it when a light has dash equipped is feasible! Especially if they stun you… 140 jab then 120 slash seems fair right lmao if you think that’s fair idk what to tell you. The most no skill combo in the game.

[sterile mist]

Wanted to ask for help with the dagger backstab and timing with dashes. I seem to struggle a lot with getting the timing of dashing and backstabbing someone. I'm usually either too far away and miss, or I dash too close and don't reach their back.

[quasi atlas]

Nerf turret...

[twin burrow]

maybe the snipers on 5v5 matches lol

[soft juniper]

I find it funny how we are asking turret and APS to be nerfed ever since powershift

[quasi atlas]

No.. In ranked

I'm plat bronze -no rank teammates and ppl r running 3 turrents

IT'S IMPOSSIBLE

First round ez I went 15 ・4 teammates like 4・7 I had all objective and more support than my medium teammates

Second round almost won but they stole it last second overtime second because my teammates r non existent

[twin burrow]

they made the grande launchers a totally joke btw

[soft juniper]

same with light shotgun I miss playing it

[quasi atlas]

Anyone else notice the new m11 skin in battle pass has a better iron sight?

[twin burrow]

half of the gun play totally underpowerd

[soft juniper]

what are you comparing them to other games? or pass version of this game?

[twin burrow]

not comparing with anything in ranked i play the meta weapons and for the fun when i m not playing ranked i like to try the most nost used guns ... and for gods sake some of the guns are really under powered ...

[soft juniper]

reason why I dont play ranked I hate meta weapons there boring to me beause everyone uses them

[twin burrow]

that s exactly my point ... they are fun for a while but after that ...

[restive plover]

I have an idea for a stun gun rework that could make the stun gun less annoying but still very useful. How about instead of just being only limited to your weapon without ADS for the entire stun duration, make it so that you cannot use anything including your weapon while stunned and lower the stun duration to somewhere between 1.5-1.75 seconds. I know it sounds a bit out there, but I think it could make the stun gun not as overpowering as it is rn, because ultimately, the best light with a stun gun can kill the best heavy or medium with a regular gun. Again, this idea probably needs tweaking but I think this can fix the issue of the stun gun being almost uncounterable.

[hallow leaf]

imo the meta weapons need nerfed a bit and then make everything viable

[compact pagoda]

Lowk good ass idea

[twin burrow]

yep that s a point

[hallow leaf]

the other weapons just cant keep up

and if they nerf the fcar it will be too much like the ak so i would rather it just be changed to a rifle or something

they are already too similar imo

[twin burrow]

and another point to add i know this is not my benefit, but for ex I would not allow 3 same type of classes in either of the match .... usually on ranked we play 3 Medium all of us with turrets and we are utterly like a cancer on the map lol

[hallow leaf]

a max of 2 of one class would be ideal

[gritty swallow]

What are some Guns you think are underpowerd?

[chilly turret]

Take the payday route, make the stun gun make your character fire their weapon at random

Make lights think about when to use it instead of just blasting stuns every five seconds

[hallow leaf]

Just remove it

[narrow bane]

the 93R is very underpowered compared to other light weapons... it has the lowest dps among them, which doesn't make sense because it is a burst weapon, and therefore more difficult to use than an automatic one.

[chilly turret]

I also like that idea

[tender gulch]

Melee weapons need a third move to give them more flexibility.

[polar raven]

not really

[obsidian sparrow]

Yea same as famas hopefully they buff it abit to balance it I think everyone would like to use the new guns if they could compete

[hollow edge]

They should make the stun gun a glorified glitch nade, but make it so they can't interact with anything. This would make the ability of stopping steals and reviving possible without making the stunned person a sitting duck, hoping to god that the hip fire will kill the light before they shred your health bar

[hollow edge]

and put it on what button? and what would the third ability even be?

[polar raven]

its usually worse in a 1v1 situation for the light to stun gun, you give up so much time to swap back to your main weapon and lose the element of surprise. Since light has the worst relative ttk by far, usually it just isnt worth it to waste an extra .2-.3s. I find that i can win so many more fights by just getting a few more shots in instead of stunning them and letting them start hitting me at the same time

[hollow edge]

well try killing a light using the heavy's slug shotgun

the fact that thing has spread is ridiculous, especially when stunned

[mellow lodge]

then stop using one of the worst guns and expecting to kill a light

[polar raven]

ok you cant complain if youre using one of the worst weapons and also its still very possible to kill them

[hollow edge]

side rant: the slug shotty should have no spread, like its a projectile, why make it worse. everything else about it is fun and great except for that

[polar raven]

yeah the ks does need a buff

[hollow edge]

and guy guys its not the WORST weapon

[mellow lodge]

we said one of the worst

[hollow edge]

its just not ironed out in the meta, and its fairly fun to play

[polar raven]

one of the worst and probably the worst heavy weapon

[hollow edge]

i like that it destroys structures easily though

[mellow lodge]

there is a difference betwen fun and something being bad

[hollow edge]

ok ok but like if you play good it works real well

[mellow lodge]

wanna know what else does? every single other weapon

[polar raven]

ok so play it good then

[hollow edge]

its all fun and games until you get stunned 😐

[polar raven]

like do you know how much effort it takes to kill a heavy

[mellow lodge]

then don't get stunned you are a heavy with an rpg that does 140 damage

[hollow edge]

the same as a medium

[hollow edge]

bruh tf you mean "dont get stunned"

[mellow lodge]

kill the little fucker before it stuns you

[hollow edge]

I get stunned by the shadow people then get jumped

[polar raven]

ok look yeah stun gun may need a bit of a nerf but l;ike every other part of light is so ass id be fine with them nerfing it if light was better overall

and the only gun that has a problem with fighting stun gun is the ks lol

[hollow edge]

and everyone plays invis so its just a bunch of little shadow rats that you cant 100% kill most of the time

[hollow edge]

tell me about it

[polar raven]

"invis" except its so easy to hear and see

[restive plover]

@hollow edge help in the feedback thread to remove cloak cause vanish bomb is enough

[hollow edge]

fo sho

[mellow lodge]

and replace cloak ability with what?

[polar raven]

i agree with this tho cloak should get reworked or even better removed

[restive plover]

U got any ideas?

[mellow lodge]

honestly just rip off titanfall 2's heal and speed up ability

i'd actually love if that was in the game

[polar raven]

id want the ability to be something that takes a bit more skill though

[restive plover]

@polar raven u know I had an idea where u got gravity boots and cloak combine where u can have cloak for a long time but on ceiling and vertical structure and u have to fall on the ground to shoot and remove invis so new player can evade and take their time but still has to engage a gun fight normally and still use a invis bomb on the ground so it's pretty balanced,I call it chameleon

[hollow edge]

thats actually genius

how have we not thought of that

[mellow lodge]

light has dash and grapple for skill, and it's not like medium and heavy's abilites take any skill

[hollow edge]

its so perfect, small squishy target getting a way to evade and heal

Colby youre a genius

[restive plover]

@hollow edge what about my comment on gravity boots and cloak hybrid?

[mellow lodge]

ik 😎

[granite hemlock]

is it just me or does the ks-23 suck

[polar raven]

it sucks yeah

[granite hemlock]

literally a 23mm shotgun slug, requires three shells to kill

[mellow lodge]

if also has insane damamge fall off

aka past 20m heavy takes 4 shots to kill, which is awful

[hollow edge]

too weird, sorry

[granite hemlock]

not to mention the fact that it uses projectiles and not hitscan making hitting at that range more difficult

[restive plover]

@hollow edge well if Devs want cloak to remain then it's a pretty good nerf right?

[mellow lodge]

no as then you have to deal with sniper bats

[hollow edge]

and its a bit too much going on, the other abilities are simple and good

[restive plover]

@mellow lodge bro read again I said u have to fall to the ground to use weapons

[mellow lodge]

tbh literally no one would use that

[restive plover]

I am kinda annoyed with cloaks running wild

[mellow lodge]

and it wouldn't even need to give health back ti could just give a speed boost and make it so your health instantly starts regen

[hollow edge]

my friend just suggested replace cloak with stun gun

[mellow lodge]

bad suggestion imo

[hollow edge]

make it so you really have to consider if you want free kills or movement

[polar raven]

again, stun gun is not even close to free kills

[mellow lodge]

if you are fighting a good player stun is not a free kill

[polar raven]

unless if youre fighting a heavy holding an rpg stun gun will usually make it even harder to win a 1v1

[hollow edge]

and the one problem with stim idea is that we do not want our lights to be more independent, its annoying enough to only have 2.5 teammates

[restive plover]

@mellow lodge r u talking about that fast stim ability?

[mellow lodge]

wdym?

[mellow lodge]

i just want my health to not be deleted before i can shoot 😔

[hollow edge]

if we give the lights healing they are only going to get less and less supportive

[restive plover]

When I search heal and speed that's what I got in YouTube

[mellow lodge]

it's just called stim in titanfall 2

[hollow edge]

as a light player i do agree

[restive plover]

Never met a supportive light

[polar raven]

define supportive

[hollow edge]

hey hey hey i revive people

[mellow lodge]

i see you playing helldivers, i'm debating on buying it, is is worth getting?

[hollow edge]

let me tell you, best 60$ ive spent in a long long time, and yes, i got the premium version

[polar raven]

maybe they can give light a passive specialisation where it heals and gives a speed buff for a bit on kill

[worn smelt]

light class is supposed to be some sort of scout why should they have heals?

[restive plover]

@hollow edge hey stim is crazy fast and we have an evasive dash already?
We don't need hyper lights

[polar raven]

self heal

[hollow edge]

we dont have to make them super fast or even faster at all

[mellow lodge]

because it sucks ass as a scout

and scouting in this game is not as good as just being a medium or heavy

[restive plover]

@mellow lodge what about tracking darts?

[hollow edge]

it could just be an instant regen like colby said, so lights can go back into battle sooner and survive more

[polar raven]

tracking darts are so ass

[restive plover]

@hollow edge not with the M11 smg melt,it's too op with health regen lol

[polar raven]

like half the time i just use it as a scope, its just not worth it to take up a whole gadget slot

[worn smelt]

you can't play light like you play medium, you'll just die every time

you have yo play different for it to be good

[hollow edge]

yeah its a weird meta to try to fix

[restive plover]

@polar raven it's good if u r good with melee and pre charge secondary

[polar raven]

whats good

[restive plover]

Tracking dart and sonar

[worn smelt]

just use sonar grenade, it's really good

[restive plover]

@polar raven what is that profile pic attack on titan?

[polar raven]

you do not need tracking dart with melee lmao only use i can think of is tracking dart then sword swinging twice on a light

[mellow lodge]

yeah exactly the best way to play light and support your team is by going to the top left and swapping off light

[restive plover]

@polar raven u never combined sword lunge with dash ability with vanish bomb suprise combo

[mellow lodge]

why tf we using tracking dart on melee?

[polar raven]

what does this have anything to do with tracking dart/sonar

[hollow edge]

thats my best build, it is really good if youre really good

[restive plover]

@polar raven track them pre charge the sword when they get near u but don't see u and they r done

@hollow edge watch this for dagger https://youtu.be/ivqW8VHY9fM?si=8_IwmzQ0WYZ958qE

[hollow edge]

oh see i use the sword lunge ability then immediately dash to make the range about 15 meters

[polar raven]

what you do not need tracking dart for that

[honest summit]

wonder if they would ever add a crossbow to the game

[restive plover]

@hollow edge look at the link it's for dagger not sword

@polar raven to predict where they r going and suprise them

[mellow lodge]

if only

why you trynna suprise people with sword, just rush and clown on them

[hollow edge]

exactly

[polar raven]

ok so you tracking dart them to tell them that youre about to fight them...?

[restive plover]

@polar raven use invis bomb

[warm sage]

i have a question are weapons getting stronger with higher level?

[polar raven]

ok and...? why is tracking dart going to help

[mellow lodge]

wdym?

[restive plover]

@polar raven predict where they r going

[mellow lodge]

tracking just shows them hey, imma be attacked soon

[warm sage]

my mates told me that the weapons do more dmg if the lvl is higher

[mellow lodge]

your mates are lying to you

[polar raven]

thats not going to help, not worth the one gadget slot

[warm sage]

thanks

[restive plover]

@polar raven u won't understand unless u play melee

[polar raven]

i played melee for like 100h im sure you dont need to know exactly where they are

[hollow edge]

well melee doesnt need that, you should get in and get out with no trace or guess of where you are

[mellow lodge]

i also play sword light, tracking darts is a waste of a slot

[hollow edge]

shooting a dart is just an alert because 8/10 times someone is going to use the extra info to attack, not just turn around and run

sword light pairs best with stun (for stopping steals), dash (for movement), glitch/frag (for utility/extra damage), and vanish bomb (for running in or out of situations)

[mellow lodge]

yeah best loadout

[polar raven]

yeah i used to run breach vanish and glitch/frag but once breach got nerfed ive started using stun

[rose scarab]

GUYS WHAT IS THE EASIEST WAY TO QUICK MELEE KILLS

[mellow lodge]

shoot someone then when they low on health quick melee them

[rose scarab]

what class what gadgets etc

[mellow lodge]

idk light sword lunge stun gun maybe

[rose scarab]

👍

[hollow edge]

after some gameplay and further consideration, stun gun isnt the most annoying thing, but it definitely is the icing on the cake if you are already irritated

using the AK made spraying them fairly easy, but still a tad bit irritating

[restive plover]

@mellow lodge add this weapon for medium or light?
https://youtu.be/LN1j3w0zchU?si=a5cHjNK2mTW3OsgM

[hollow edge]

thats a cool idea

medium could get a projectile based weapon other than the noob tube

[restive plover]

I hate noobtube I completely spams and ruins the game

[zenith badge]

How are you? Is there an Arabic team?

[restive plover]

@hollow edge u have to let the Devs know in the feedback plz help share this idea

[hollow edge]

you say that like im some popular spokesperson 😂

[pallid lintel]

Is the hit registration bad with specific guns? It feels like some shotguns are not getting hits when the crosshair is on the centre of the opponents body

[polar raven]

light and medium shotguns have very low spread so if you miss by even a tiny bit it won't do much

[restive plover]

@hollow edge if u,me and more people fill the thread then Devs might notice

[gray burrow]

they should add the desert eagle as a pistol for heavy as well as a MG42

[worn smelt]

this has been said before, a deagle for the heavy class would be really fun

[gray burrow]

plus it would make sense as its a big pistol for a big class

maybe a AKS-74u as a smg for light class

and a spas-12 for medium

[worn smelt]

tbh light has enough smgs at the moment, id rather have a different type of gun before another smg

[polar raven]

all classes have 2 machine guns?

[bold tide]

gm

你好

[worn smelt]

each class has different kinds of guns

[night cobalt]

?

[worn smelt]

bro doesnt know what a machine gun is

[night cobalt]

I know what a machine gun is, but I don’t know what class has a machine gun besides heavy

[worn smelt]

wasnt talking about you

[night cobalt]

Bro you replied to me

[worn smelt]

ik tryna tell you that youre right

[lucid geode]

Maybe both I can see that being the sniper for medium and an extra choice for our little buddy's lol

[worldly forum]

…… is it just me or does the damn double barrel shotty feel super inconsistent?? Like i can be up close or in someones skin and still not get max damage potential, like it feels only 3 pellets out of 12 register on the target

[lucid geode]

it might be a bit of both shot placement and inconsistency but then again im absolute dog with shotty's

[valid sedge]

Anyone like the 93R?

Might get that or the XP-54

[chilly turret]

It is very inconsistent, you’re not crazy

[polar raven]

there's 15 pellets but yes it's inconsistent

[worldly forum]

Thank goodness cause i was mentally exhausted trying to figure out why i was doing mediocre dmg one shot and then doing max dmg the next

[polar raven]

it's pretty bad

[worldly forum]

Thank you, i was going insane lol

[worldly forum]

Shi i was popping off with it all day until i got back 3hrs ago and played like 10 matches to which my shots were just heavily inconsistent, lmfao it felt like a slice to the gut, glad to know it is an inconsistent weapon tho

[pastel mist]

none ig, medium has two ar's no lmg's and light has two smgs if im not wrong

[night cobalt]

OK so I know there weren’t LG’s on lights and mediums

[polar raven]

pretty sure ars are classified as machine guns and so are smgs

[mellow lodge]

lh1

[naive bear]

why is the real life M14 called the LH1 in game? the name "M14" isn't copyrighted at all because it is the guns military designation, so it strikes me as odd.

The AKM is called the AKM though, is it just a choice?

[warped geode]

Make it so akm has a chance against the fcar

[naive bear]

all automatic firearms are considered machine guns, but they are further differentiated by subclass like Assault rifle, Light Machine Gun, and Sub Machine gun.

[atomic silo]

Has anyone compiled a gadget Tier list? What are your favorite gadgets for each class?

[slim linden]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/995485555884298320/1221391750858407956/AK_vs_FCAR_vs_FAMAS.png?ex=661268b5&is=65fff3b5&hm=9e70e8e78017a0e237f7331df07e8248e9bc28fdd876e676ebba0899bed4375a&

[modest crag]

thanks for that

[atomic silo]

@slim lindenThat's awesome. Sketchy website... However, do you have anything showing spec's for the hand cannon?

[slim linden]

sketchy website lmao?

itznao.com is legit my website lol and cns is an in game org

[atomic silo]

chrome flags it as a dangerous site.

[slim linden]

huh?? lemme see

maybe its cause i brought the domain yesterday

[atomic silo]

I can't post a picture here but i'll dm.

[slim linden]

i used to use nao.gg, but it was 100 dollars a year so i switched to .com

[supple mesa]

Enemies now are in group so i choose akm.

[slim linden]

plus iTz_Nao is my name and .com makes sense

[ivory garnet]

does the glitch grenade counter c4 and breach charge?

[reef sage]

It actually based on M1A, rifle derived from M14

[magic sierra]

I think the KS-23 need a rechamber speed buff by 0.5 secs

[last shell]

Best gadgets to use at the moment?

[frank timber]

you have to disclose what class though, there isn’t a one fits all

[autumn echo]

Yo best loadout for medium?

[mellow lodge]

fcar, defib, nades, jump pad, heal beam or demat

[autumn echo]

appreciate it bro

[supple mesa]

IDEAS For new gadgets:

1. Holographic decoy projector
2. Temporal disruptor (slows down opponents' movements)
3. Laser based mines
4. Teammate disruption. See teammate as enemy and can kill.
5. Remote-controlled drone for surveillance and attacks
6. Anti drone.
7. Nano-swarm grenade (releases a swarm of nanobots to attack opponents)
8. Hyperspeed serum (temporarily increases movement speed)
9. Cyclone grenade (creates a powerful vortex that pulls in opponents)
10. Target-seeking missiles
    11 Wall-climbing / stick to wall gloves
11. Portable healing station
12. Sit-in turret
13. Coin siphon (drains opponents' Coins)
14. Phase disruptor (temporarily phases opponents into random area)

[desert bough]

Is the R357 change a buff

Is it saying that the dropoff got better or worse

[mellow lodge]

yes, still sucks at range though

[desert bough]

Dude the patch notes are not that clear 🤔

[mellow lodge]

poor revolver gang 😔

[desert bough]

Thanks for the help though

[restive plover]

Give m60 an EOTECH. All classes in the game have some weapons with scopes except for heavy. The iron sights on the M60 are so bulky it would help balance the weapon.

Heavies could also use some kind of scoped M4 style weapon with a drum mag for season 3.

KS23 needs a buff
Grenade launcher needs a buff
Sledgehammer needs a very minor buff

[fringe sierra]

Why they remove the ability on medium. It was my favorite

[cursive lark]

Because they are adding a new one that insta kills all teams for 10 minutes 🙄

[burnt river]

hmm

[tender gulch]

The third button can be both attack buttons at once. Or they can change quick melee to actually use the melee weapon. For the sword the additional moves can be a fencing style vertical chop. Giving range comparable to lunge but with no delay and less damage. For the baton it can be a shield tackle/charge, your shield stays up when you do it. For the hammer it can be similar, a push with the hammer but it does more damage than quick melee. For the knife it can be a Achilles slice that leaves a player moving at 1/2 speed for 3 seconds.

[sick glade]

Best light or heavy gun

[pulsar gazelle]

The most realistic one would be the decoy hologram but I would love to see a lot of them in there

[ember blade]

might b time to nerf dis flamethrower

[winter panther]

Idk how to feel about the sole reason I play medium being the Model 1887

[night cobalt]

It depends on how you play, but I feel like the best loadout, for everybody is a frag jump pad or zip line and defibrillator

[gleaming ridge]

Is the Dome Shield worth it? I used to use it a ton, but lately it feels like it doesn't provide much value. I'm contemplating switching it for explosive mines.

[honest summit]

what about the metal shields?

[gleaming ridge]

Oh, yeah barricades are pretty good. I feel like they aren't tall enough though. Good for slowing down people in doorways though. I feel like most of the time people just blow-up the floor/ceiling of thr cash box though.