💣┇weapons-gadgets

[soft latch]

rework nukes; only allowing 1 attachments (c4, mines, etc) to be place on props (pots, tables, etc)

[tacit nacelle]

make pots shatter for shrapnel

itd just be fun

[night cobalt]

You know would be an awesome ability making it so the lights can run on walls for about seven seconds whenever they use it and it goes on cool down for 10 seconds you get an additional 15% speed wall wall running but accuracy will be not as good

[ripe timber]

best medium weapon this season??

[tacit nacelle]

fcar always

[chilly turret]

Still the fucking FCAR

[fickle marlin]

Is it cheating if you let the other team hack the vault because time is running out to hack the vault ourselves and if you kill them you will not be able to collect the vault in time.

[tacit nacelle]

i think they should add a stimpack first that gives some health and/or a speed boost
maybe itll give speed if full or heal if not

[chilly turret]

No, it’s a good strategy to draw out the match

[night cobalt]

That’s also a good idea

[tacit nacelle]

nah its just smart
youre not teaming with them. youre dtopping yhe end

[fickle marlin]

Okayy

[tacit nacelle]

they should also let grapple hang for longer? give it more speed too

[night cobalt]

Low-key the F car isn’t too big of a problem in my opinion. Way they can make it more balanced is by buffing other weapons to replace it or be on par with it.

[tacit nacelle]

nerf its recoil and slightly less damage then i think itd be good

[fickle marlin]

because I was repeatedly croucing when they were claiming the vault and infsct defending them too, and I an worried that I may be banned for cheating

[tacit nacelle]

well like theres a difference between teaming and killing the other ppl

[night cobalt]

The grenade launcher is a fun item but the fact that it gets counted by APS turrets maybe if they give it 10% less damage and 5% area damage and take away the APS turret affect. It will be viable.

[chilly turret]

Okay that’s toeing the line, maybe just run away and let the others fight it out

[tacit nacelle]

aps turret is so stupid
it does glitch nades job better than glitch nade

[fickle marlin]

I knew it

[tacit nacelle]

give it a timer and dont let it affect certain items such as gl and glitch nade

[night cobalt]

Fair point

[chilly turret]

Or maybe every grenade or projectile it blocks takes away a chunk of its health

[tacit nacelle]

this
i still help with killing ppl in the lead but only if like i see them

[night cobalt]

How much of its health are we saying get rid of 25% of his self every grenade so after four we’re gonna it’s gone or like 10%

[fickle marlin]

I was a bit desperate to win the game(I lost in the end) soI wanted to make sure to not pull out

[tacit nacelle]

or give it less health and a limit to how many it deatroys in general

[rough garden]

So what idiot decided yeah lets make lmgs dog shit

[fickle marlin]

But oh boy, as yiu said, I will prolly just curcle around

[chilly turret]

Me personally, everyone gets the 4 gauge to the chest

[tacit nacelle]

50 health and a limit of 4 would be good

[chilly turret]

It’s not cowardice! It’s a tactical retreat to further victory!

[night cobalt]

I think give it 75 health make it so it has infinite shots but every time you throw something in it you have to wait 6.5 seconds before it works again

[tacit nacelle]

this would make even worse

probably useless honestly
most grenades have two uses as a base

[night cobalt]

OK what about 55 health and a cool down every time it uses something to 7.5 seconds

[tacit nacelle]

ALSO WHY DOES IT WORK THROUGH WALLS

[night cobalt]

I didn’t know it worked through walls

[tacit nacelle]

unless they changed it

it did last month

[mellow lodge]

if you a medium with the fcar and aren't destroying a light, you need some better aim, and i'm saying 1v1 as a light is supposed to be picking off enemies, yet they can't do that well as they have too little damage and health

[ripe timber]

what do you guys take into ranked with a medium build? like full loadout

[rough garden]

why nerf the lewis gun? like I don't get it. the other lmg is trash. you get outgunned at range beacuse of the rediciouls recoil. unless you run the alternative (dog ass) guns the heavy has to offer the class is just a tanking class. everyone complained about rpg spam at feet and nukes

[tacit nacelle]

oh yeah light loses the 1v1 no matter what but u arent supposed to hit every shot in light

[mellow lodge]

the fcar needs 6 body shots to kill a light

[tacit nacelle]

light shouldnt be an assassin role tho
a game where you have 3 teammates having an assassin would be superrr unhealthy if it was at all consistent

[mellow lodge]

yeah but what else light gonna do?

[night cobalt]

Light just needs some kind of rework if you ask me

I think you should make them 5% faster on top of what they already have and make it so they reload 10% faster than any class just my opinion but I don’t know if it would be good but for now light is perfect how it is

[mellow lodge]

light's best role is ignoring every enemy and holding a stun gun until objective is being taken, using the stun gun then run off

[tacit nacelle]

hit and run without killing
utility
cleanup
scouting

light gadgets should be better
they can chase down better
they can weaken enemies so ppl can finish them off
they can 3rd party
glitch nade, sonar, portals, smoke, etc for util

assassination would be like the db time which was soooo terrible for the game ToT

[mellow lodge]

like turret aps and sniper in the new game mode

[tacit nacelle]

if you could run in, get somebody low and the go back again a bit later to finish them off itd be healthier than an assassination

[tacit nacelle]

i havent played the new mode enough to know abt that tbh

[mellow lodge]

the run in and out doesn't work as medium heal beam

[mellow lodge]

well turrets and aps can go on the platform, and you can have 5 mediums all doing that

[tacit nacelle]

💀

[mellow lodge]

and in most games it's at least 3 turrets and aps

[tacit nacelle]

u can attack med healer then
if they have two healers then youre still usingtheir resources and keeping one person busy

issue is that the light cant do this because they will heal just as fast as you if you run

[mellow lodge]

i still feel like medium the most popular class hard counters lights entire existence

like heal beam and defib, like wtf the light on the enemy team gonna do, kill the heavy that gets defibed then healed to full 💀

i still stand by my point of light needing a higher ttk

[night cobalt]

A good way to bring back nukes and replace C4 entirely is by making it a gadget give the C4 the Nerf and buffs as I said before but when you pull it out as a gadget it’s already made and it’s on a 45 second timer until you get another one or you can nerve the damage by 25% and the cool down shorter or make the damage higher and make the cool down higher

[tacit nacelle]

oh yeah totally
i mant more like this shoulddd be how light is played

a lot of their gadgets are just worse than the other classes tho

[mellow lodge]

like before joining this server and seeing all the problems i would've never noticed it

[tacit nacelle]

and u cant hit and run at all

[mellow lodge]

but being the math goblin i am, i now see the problems and i am losing my entire mind over it

[tacit nacelle]

never noticed what?

[mellow lodge]

how bad light was, how op medium was, and how heavy in a good state

[tacit nacelle]

oh lol

[mellow lodge]

and imo how unbalanced this game is

[tacit nacelle]

i think the game is like ALMOST balanced

like, if you ignore light, the game is pretty balanced

but also when light has basically half of the other roles' health, it makes sense that theyre struggling to balance

[mellow lodge]

i reckon the medium can be changed a bit and then it will be balanced

[tacit nacelle]

saw some ppl say the game shouldnt be released yet, but i dont think theh would be able to properly balance without a big player pull

[slim linden]

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[mellow lodge]

i'll just ignore lights existence for the sake of me thinking the game is balanced

[tacit nacelle]

i said pretty!! some of meds stuff is still too strong, like the fcar

[mellow lodge]

fcar genuinely shouldn't exist, it literally has everything other than a lrge mag

like if you are trying to rank up and play seriously no point ever using another gun

[slim linden]

very true

[mellow lodge]

i like when games have a meta, i just don't like when the meta is this big of a gap from a trying to win perspective

idk my main problem ig is how much i was let down by the new season

only cool part is the battlepass and new map

[slim linden]

^^ need some testers

[tacit nacelle]

meta is cool
meta that doesnt change ISNT cool
meta that makes other stuff unplayable is alsoo not cool

like playing light shouldnt be an insta trow

[mellow lodge]

yeah unless your enemy are stupid or you're a god you will most likely lose

[mellow lodge]

one of the only good things about the cod games is how many different weapons are meta

like it's not just one weapon beats literally everything

[tacit nacelle]

basically you have to be so much better than your enemies

that playing med or heavy could put you to sleep

[tacit nacelle]

usually there are only a few meta weapins in that game
other weapons are still mostly usable tho

[mellow lodge]

especially if you are a light trying to melee, it's actual hell

[tacit nacelle]

i dont think melee will ever be meta tho

[mellow lodge]

sad times 😔

[tacit nacelle]

like you dont bring a knife to a gun fight

[mellow lodge]

well in battlefield 2042 and cod games you do lol

[tacit nacelle]

knife is still weak in cod

[mellow lodge]

true

i just hope the patch notes soon to come will make me wanna keep playing this game

[tacit nacelle]

unless youre playing in a series of hallways where you cant shoot through the doorways, you will never be able to play melee in a game with ranged weapons

or if the ttk on ranged weapons is absurdly high

you just dont get the chance to get close

[slim linden]

you can lol

[tacit nacelle]

i said unlesss

[slim linden]

you can play melee out in the open lol

[mellow lodge]

💀 maybe sword you can

[slim linden]

yh

[mellow lodge]

other than that your just get gunned down by everyone

[slim linden]

a lot of weapons are viable

just takes more skill to use them

[mellow lodge]

that logic applies to literally every single thing

if i say the new shotgun is bad is that just a skill issue? no cause the weapon is actually just bad

[slim linden]

idk man, its pretty good

gotta lead your shots and stay in range

[mellow lodge]

the shotgun has low damage, awful accuracy, isn't hitscan and has a slow reload

[slim linden]

"low damage"

[mellow lodge]

low ttk sorry

[slim linden]

"isnt hitscan" lol

[mellow lodge]

pretty sure it isn't

[slim linden]

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ttk is decent

low shots to kill, 120 body damage, yeah a long ass reload

you can kill 2 heavies with this monster in 1 mag if you hit shots

[mellow lodge]

it's 3 shot heavy?

[slim linden]

i said lol cause it not being hitscan doesnt mean its a bad gun, it just means you gotta learn how to use it

[slim linden]

350 = heavy health

120 120 120 = 360

[mellow lodge]

it's not as shit as i thought then

[slim linden]

lmao all good, its crackedd

[mellow lodge]

well when almost everything is hitscan it does make it worse

[slim linden]

with a shotgun tho, you are using it close range, so it shouldnt be an issue

[mellow lodge]

also same ttk for a medium as a heavy is quite bad

[slim linden]

its cause 120 + 120 = 240 and mediums have 250 health

[tacit nacelle]

give tracking dart 5-10 ammo with a bigger projectile, faster fire rate, and faster cooldown?

[mellow lodge]

yeah so unless you in quick melee rage you losing that gunfight

[slim linden]

not really, most people have 10 - 20 points of health missing most of the time

[slim linden]

and no, you can still merk a medium, if they miss shots

[mellow lodge]

you also just gonna lose to another heavy with it

[mellow lodge]

if the medium missing shots on a heavy that medium is trash

[slim linden]

against a lewis, yeah, but that lewis has to hit all of his shots, where you can be careful with yours and line them up

also, if you get the first shot of the fight, say from behind, its an insta win

also if you want more weapon info, check the website in my name / bio

[mellow lodge]

yeah but why tf the heavy there in the firs place 💀

[slim linden]

i mean if they are watching an angle and you behind..?

[mellow lodge]

so the heavy sitting still watching one angle?

kinda wack playstyle for a heavy but ok

[slim linden]

dont say you have never been shot in the back

[uncut timber]

Sledge is best

[mellow lodge]

not by a heavy that has ever gotten anywhere near to killing me

[slim linden]

cap

[chilly turret]

I’ve snuck up on lights before as a heavy. It’s possible

[chilly harbor]

i agree. I've died to the Heavies who snuck up on me

[slim linden]

see lol

[midnight jetty]

anyone else think the new gadgets are a bit gimicky?

[south timber]

I like the Medium gadget and Light one

[midnight jetty]

light one is very nice serves a purpose but i avoid it because its too obvious seeing a big ol portal, i see the purpose of mediums as well but goo grenade exist

[slim linden]

feeling like a gremlin when i steal a cashout from below

[south timber]

I would like to see 2 charges on the Medium one

[midnight jetty]

real

[slim linden]

nahhh we need 4

[south timber]

Everytime that happens Im smashing through the floor. I have to Insert dominance

[slim linden]

lol

[south timber]

Im not talking about the dematerializer if you think that tho

[slim linden]

oh the thingy

[south timber]

Exactly

[slim linden]

yeah its so weak, it needs to do somethin better cause barrels kinda ass, only use really is to get rid of mines

make it into a hack, where it turns enemy mines and turrets into your own

[south timber]

Same thats why I want 2 charges

[midnight jetty]

dude the dematerializer is such a gimmicky tool, it seems like theyre trying to give each class a role to fullfil and rewards certain playstyles (ex. light having cloak and dash fitting speed vs heavy being mostly shields and map damage) so i dont understand why they would give something like medium which is almost always a medic role a really watered down version of a glitch grenade

[eternal flower]

The more insane gimmicky shit the better imo

[midnight jetty]

like atleast a glitch grenade can be thrown, maybe it would be good when u put into consideration the aps turret but in reality getting close when an aps turret is gonna be impossible anyways

[midnight jetty]

i think its awful, i hate it, theres a reason this game has been loosing so much player base over time

[eternal flower]

Also I think locking medium into a medic role specifically would be lame as fuck

[midnight jetty]

shit they lock heavy into demolition or shield role

[eternal flower]

That's two seperate roles and both are fun

[midnight jetty]

they lock light to flanker and sneaky roles

[eternal flower]

That's also two roles, you only mentioned one for medium

[midnight jetty]

they lock all classes to a certain role, i personally dont like it very much but it seems to be the thing theyre going with

[eternal flower]

There's still variety within that role though

[midnight jetty]

thats the problem is with this new update who knows what the second possible role could be, usually its recon x healer but now its just who knows what x healer

we got a fucking placeable wall as a primary speical 💀

[eternal flower]

Meh I just run in with several grenades and a riot shield when I play medium

[midnight jetty]

where pepole have healing beams and cloak or massive shields that can defend ur entire team while on the move, medium gets a placeable wall 💀 💀

[eternal flower]

Yeah? There's still utility with it

[midnight jetty]

its so gimicky bro shit is litearlly countered by blowing up the wall next to it

like whats the point of having a wall only u can shoot through if the person can just blow up everything around it

[eternal flower]

Think smarter not harder

[tacit nacelle]

i think its just a fun idea they had that they decided to go with
it also is a more permanent solution than glitch grenade
and it can make barrels and stuff which is niche but helpful
it needs more range tho at the very least

[tacit nacelle]

because its new and every new game has that happen

[south timber]

Idk why people make such a Drama about the playercount. For me it looks fine

[tacit nacelle]

medium isnt justtt a healer tho
it has a kit hat allows it to be a healer but thats not it

[tacit nacelle]

literally
the game is doing great
every game has a spike qhen it releases and then tapers off lol

but also like
gadgets dont all HAVE to fit a specific role for them to go to a class if that was the case, light wouldnt have glitch or smoke, and med wouldnt have any mines

its good that theres a counter to mines other than playing light tho

having to destroy a gas mine and wait it out or go find fire is not fun lol

[south timber]

Medium is kinda healer + engineer if you ask me. But yeah not everything has to fit a role. Some might say heavy doesnt need flashbangs but I still like them

[tacit nacelle]

i see medium as healer, team support, and turtling
it has aps, mines, and turret to lock down a room in a more offensive way than heavy
it also has mobility that the entire time can use and obviously the healing

[south timber]

Yeah exactly you can just call them Support in general. What Kind of Support is up to the Player

[tacit nacelle]

heavy is ofc tanking and also demo with even more turtling but in a different way
light is scouting and hit and run

[tacit nacelle]

yeee
the new gadget fits them in this playstyle too

its a nonoffensive tool that can support your team

[midnight jetty]

im not saying the classes are centralized around a specific role but it seems like the game heavily influences people to pick up certain roles when they choose a class,

[south timber]

You mean the switch thing or the demat?

[tacit nacelle]

switch thing

demat feels like their response to all their turtling to me
light has glitch and heavy can just destroy the building but med didnt have anything

[south timber]

Yep I agree. Still good to Support the Team with barrels or to defuse mines and stuff

[midnight jetty]

i think the whole changing barrels is just massive cope, ive never had a problem not being able to find the proper canister, usually youll find 2 of every kind on the way to objective, the whole changin barrels thing seems like a feature they added just to make the gadget not seem as useless

[south timber]

Demat is also really nice to get sneaky kills

[tacit nacelle]

its faster tho
u dont have to find a barrel when you can make one basically anywhere
ITS ALSO JUST A FUN IDEA
why are you so upset that they added a cool and interesting gadget to the game

[tacit nacelle]

yessss i love it

antigravity thing is also rlly cool but i kinda wish the area was bigger

[midnight jetty]

its not really faster when you can pick up any canister on the way to objective, and whats more worth it, going 5 feet to the left to grab a canister costing like 2 seconds or giving up ur entire gadget slot for the ability to change a canister or a knock off glitch grenade

[south timber]

Its a counter to moving cashouts and I love it

[south timber]

Just dont use it if you dont like it. Medium has a bunch of other gadgets

[midnight jetty]

its not about just not using it, its frustrating to see time wasted on such useless things, id like to see game devs focus on furthing the things they already have

part of me also thinks the dematerilzer gadget is just a placeholder cause so many people didnt like the recon

[south timber]

The demat replaced recon not the switch gadget

[tacit nacelle]

unless the barrel you need isnt nearby? or you dont know what kind of barrel you would need before getting there? also youre giving up an entire gadget slot to use it throughout the game... its not like you use it one time lol

[tacit nacelle]

agreeeddddd

[midnight jetty]

we have 3 choices bro, its kind of a big deal when u loose one of ur only three choices

[drifting marsh]

Why does the melee on the riot shield keep canceling mid swing??

[tacit nacelle]

its frustrating to see the devs waste time on stuff that you dont like you mean?

[midnight jetty]

and i dont even play medium, i never use it, i just think its so gimicky

[tacit nacelle]

probably a glitch

[south timber]

If you dont play Medium then why complain

[midnight jetty]

put effort into gimicky items rather than focusing on balancing the game with what already exist

[tacit nacelle]

so are a billion other gadgets
stuff is allowed to be gimicky

[midnight jetty]

because its frustrating to see time put into gimicky items over other places of the game

[tacit nacelle]

they released a gadget that they probably had planned for ages
adding new stuff into the game is always going to be a thing. id it wasnt that then it wouldve been a different item

[south timber]

The other 2 are heal and turret. Both valid choices

[tacit nacelle]

there are still 3 choices

and wall hacks is not healthy for the game

[south timber]

YOU dont like it but as you can see there are people who do like it. Not everything has to be for everyone

[midnight jetty]

ik adding new things to the game will always happen but its sad to see new gadgets be prioritized over things as basic as balancing amongst classes and guns

[tacit nacelle]

same with cloak. hopefully they change that one too

[tacit nacelle]

they are balancing stuff still
they release balance changes p much every other week..

its not like they arent balancing the game

[midnight jetty]

hell ya i dont like it, i just blow up the wall next to them and their little wall is useless

[tacit nacelle]

also, they most likely have a different team for balancing and for coming up with new gadgets and specializations

new gadgets arent even being prioritized
they added THREE new gadgets after one season

[south timber]

You know that the demat makes existent Walls disappear right? They dont just create Walls

[tacit nacelle]

plus, destroying walls isnt alwayd a matter of 'i wanna do this so its happening'
you have to run specific niche gadgets or the body slam specialization to do it consistently

you coulddd get a propane tank but even then, theres a chance it just bounces off the wall lmao

[south timber]

Exactly (I love my body slam)

[tacit nacelle]

bodyslam is such a slay

[eternal flower]

Exactly, destroying a wall requires time and resources. If you're pressuring someone into doing it then you're at an advantage

[tacit nacelle]

hoping they give mes and light another demo gadget tho

[eternal flower]

I refuse to run anything other than slam+sledge

[tacit nacelle]

^^
and theres always the chance they just replace it with goo

i want to see more people running goo+fire

like goo gun and pyro nade over the objective and youll never stop taking damage lol

unless they have smoke nade but literally nobody runs smoke nade

[south timber]

I need to take goo gun more but I have to miss out on my Slam

[tacit nacelle]

btw
smoke should actually stop you from seeing ppl
its so dumb that it doesnt

[eternal flower]

Goo is cool but then I can't slam

[south timber]

EXACTLY

[tacit nacelle]

ofcofc
they should let you goo anddd slam tbh

[eternal flower]

If I cannot charge into people like an ape with a sledgehammer why even play

[midnight jetty]

my point is the ability to creat a barrier only u can shoot through is heavily mitigated when u think about how the walls next to it could easily be destroyed exposing whoever is using that secret barrier for protection/to attack with

[south timber]

You dont even know how the demat works so Im gonna stop discussing this

[chilly turret]

I love using charge to tunnel out of corners

[tacit nacelle]

have you even played the game?

[midnight jetty]

ya wall gets placed and they make it reapear when they want it

not placed but it replaces whatever wall is already there making it even more useless because it cant be placed in open terrain and relies on already existing structure

[south timber]

Its not useless you just dont know how to use it.

This is the Last thing Im gonna tell you, maybe get some ingame experience before you start complaining about stuff you have no clue about

[midnight jetty]

its not that i dont know how to use it, its the exact opposite, i see how easily i can counter it so it makes me never want to use it

[south timber]

You said yourself that you dont even play Medium and that you have like 25 hours on the game. You dont know shit, end of the Story

[midnight jetty]

i dont main it, i use all classes im just detered from it half the time because its so mid

[south timber]

Medium is probably the best class but whatever

[midnight jetty]

heavy is best class

but i dont like using it cause i feel its extremly unfair

[south timber]

[tacit nacelle]

them admitting to knowing nothing abt the game without even realizing ToT

[runic tulip]

the tp grenade makes sword so much more enjoyable

[hexed zenith]

Is it me or the Fcar feels weird ? I have a lot of difficulty of predicting the recoils and I seem to lose a lot more fights with the car compared to the AK and famas

[mellow lodge]

go into shooting range and see its recoil

shoot a wall look at the bullet marks

[scenic brook]

All of the new gadgets seem horrible and like they don’t belong in the game honestly. Just dummed versions of other abilities

[hexed zenith]

okay will see that

[hexed zenith]

I disagree, I really like the gateway for making new ways to move across the maps and the dematerializer is a great way to make some ambush

[plain canopy]

Really love charging into an cashbox room with goo on the doors and running over unexpected campers. Best move is to guard from above

[iron elm]

Is it just me or does the sniper work really well as a shotgun while crouching?

[scenic brook]

Dematerializer ruins heavy hammer gameplay

[hexed zenith]

How does it ruin it ? It's only a counter thats already possible with explosives to destroy environment

[scenic brook]

That’s the point, it’s already possible. And makes it 10x more OP. Now instead of worrying about only a heavy running through a wall or hammering one or blowing one up, you now have to worry about being shot through every square inch of any room your in seems a little OD

[steep veldt]

Привет люди нерусские

[hexed zenith]

Do you guys have tips to share on how to play a medium in the new updates ?

[steep veldt]

Inwise

provide voice-overs and translations into other languages for the finals

my English is poor

[mellow lodge]

new game mode or normal cash out/tournament?

[hexed zenith]

more tournament

[mellow lodge]

heal beam, defib are the main two, probs aps, then zip or jump

[hexed zenith]

does dematerializer can be used as a base for a kit ?

[vocal flume]

nerf the sa12 and buff the flamethrower a bit

[mellow lodge]

buff the flamethrower?

ig it does have low ttk, though that things DOT is insane

[mighty marten]

PLEASE ELIMINATE THE SNIPER FROM THE 5 VS 5 MODE IT IS FRUSTRATING AND RUINS ALL THE FUN, I WAS MANAGED TO BRING FRIENDS BACK TO THE GAME BUT BECAUSE OF THE SNIPERS THERE ARE GAMES THAT CAN BE 3 IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO PLAY

[rain plinth]

no

[tacit nacelle]

try goo

make goo grenade 3 blocks tall!!!

[mossy sigil]

Support your teammates work together

[mighty marten]

as? If when leaving base it became a game in who hid best

[mossy sigil]

Turret ain’t that good use defib

[hexed zenith]

yeah I realized that my work was mostly supporting my mates while they were doing most of the kills

[mossy sigil]

That’s how you win games trust me

[hexed zenith]

okay thank you

[viral wyvern]

if it will not be difficult for someone to send 0.010872 usd, then please write to me in the bos

[tacit nacelle]

firw completely destroys good. there are plenty of things that allow you to make other entrances too
goo nade is naturallt very weak rn tho and not letting people just clim over would help

[tacit nacelle]

why do you keep repeating this ToT

smg thing sounds like massive cope tbh

[little frost]

Can you like stop pinging me every time you send a message in every channel

[tacit nacelle]

making grapple work like a zipline would be finnicky and annoying. giving it another use like letting you hang would be better. so would shortening its cd, making it faster, or making it longer
downward thrust would be niche and annoying to use whith 100 damage being very wrak
giving a weapon wall climb would also be weird and dumb. make it innate to lighti anything
light should not get a healing ability. that should atay with med. giving thermal wallhacks would also be weird and theyd have to rebrand it

[night cobalt]

Bro there not bad idea but you keep spamming them in sections that don’t apply to your subject

[little frost]

Yes heres an idea, stop copy and pasting your messages everywhere

[tacit nacelle]

literally
you said your ideas and thats enough. at least change anything. word it better, add and remove ideas, smthn

[night cobalt]

Oh hell nah bros typing a essay 💀💀💀

I think the gas needs a hard nurf like making it do 10% damage less. taking it a second before it actually does damage you or you can make it to 15% damage less but expand how far the gas spreads by 10%

[little frost]

Half the time I dont think you play the game at all, just sit here and copy and paste

[night cobalt]

Bruh

The game may be at its peak right now sure if they need to tweak some stuff but it’s not that bad it is and it’s still worth playing instead of copying pasting your same idea until something changes

[little frost]

Also can you please use discords reply feature instead of pinging

[tacit nacelle]

sword is NOT op lmaoo
if youre getting killed to it, thats a skill issue

[little frost]

Mines are a hard counter to swords, so if you know a sword player is playing, place mines on common spots for a chance to insta kill them

[night cobalt]

It’s only OP compared to other worst weapons than it. It is nowhere near good. It is just a fun weapon to use when you want to mess around in quick play but unless you are insanely good with the weapon it is nowhere near good.

None of the classes are boring they all have different kinds of stuff to use

All the melee weapons need above I’ve been seeing riot, shield pop-up and ranked, but most of the time their players who aren’t that good

[night cobalt]

Bro, literally just got told to stop spamming the same message and yet he keeps doing it womp womp

[calm crater]

should allow riot shiled users to crouch allowing for full body coverage, but in exchnage they are not able to move or move very slowly

[night cobalt]

💀💀💀

[night cobalt]

That’s a good idea, but it may be overpowered Here’s another suggestion instead of giving full body coverage. You shouldn’t be able to crouch with the ride shield, but only your feet will be exposed in the riot shield would be nice and you should be able to run with the riot shield up but when you run, it will also expose your legs like blitz. From r6

Idk

Here’s an idea for the poisoned dart make it available for medium players and light players make it so when you hit people they’re slowed by 15% and your bullets do 30% more damage to them. Make it so they’re tracked for about 25 seconds. The effects last for 10 they are slowed for 10 seconds and you do 30% more damage for 10 seconds.

They are slowed by 10% for 15 seconds and the damage buff last 10 seconds but only does 20% more damage and the dark last 25 seconds, so they can still see them through walls for 25 seconds

[pale thorn]

Heavy auto shotgun is overpowered, now everybody is forced running it due to lewis nerf

[night cobalt]

There’s a lot of people using the M-16 and a lot of people are still running the Lewis gun also, what would you want Nerf about the heavy shotgun?

[potent ledge]

day 6 of asking for 50 cal wepons or ammo

[night cobalt]

But what type of weapon do you want?

[vital forge]

Is there another way to switch to your primary? They have destroyed the usefulness of barricades... I don't want to pick up my barricade I want to shoot.

[night cobalt]

I’m not 100% sure probably in settings you can change that

[potent ledge]

sniper or deegul

[night cobalt]

We already have one sniper that people constantly complain about that’s underpowered, but in the new game mode, it’s super annoying for some people. So I don’t know how you’d implement a new sniper, but still a good idea. I also like the Deagle. you can make it through a lot of damage but seven shots and low fire rate

[polar gazelle]

I mean goo gun and shield are good to protect and attack at the same time

[potent ledge]

i was thinking like a sniper that can shoot trugh shealds but loses 65% of the damadge when you do

[polar gazelle]

isn't the deagle already in game for medium?

[polar gazelle]

that's a heavy killer

[potent ledge]

nah bro there is only a revolver

[polar gazelle]

so same gun but less ammo, less fire rate but more dmg?

[potent ledge]

riot shealds not mesh and dome

[potent ledge]

nah bro

[polar gazelle]

I'm interested, give some stats

[night cobalt]

It’s a revolver

[night cobalt]

I think what he’s trying to say is that the Deagle would have a fire rate that is sort of slow has seven bullets sheets one bullet every second does 40 damage a bullet and a two second reload time

The gun would also probably have a fall off. Damage range of 20 m an out it would do 10% less damage every 5 m out

@polar gazelle

[polar gazelle]

idk in this case the revolver is just better

[night cobalt]

The revolver is a good weapon but if they release the Deagle, they’d probably adjust it to make it on par with the revolver. Also, the revolver isn’t that good of a weapon compared to all the other medium weapons, so what’s the point in using it?

[potent ledge]

the frerate wold be the same as the revolver, but it wold do 55 damadge and have a falloff 5% every 10 meters and 65% less damadge trough riot sheals and barriers

[night cobalt]

That’s cool but I think the fire rate on the hand cannon should be 15% slower and the reload should be 10% slower than the revolver

[potent ledge]

well that is a good idea

[night cobalt]

Because if they’re both exactly the same then the revolver won’t get any use I like the idea that it can penetrate through certain things but keeping 65% of its damage may be too much maybe 50% would be valid

[potent ledge]

ye but then people wold complain

[night cobalt]

Also I think the new level seven skin was a very big disappointment. I think it should just completely be forgotten and replaced with this instead.

[ocean lava]

They could possibly make a drone ability for medium or light. As I could see the drone for the medium having a heal beam attached to it so it allows for healing at a slightly slower rate than normal heal beam but would also keep mediums from not being left helpless when healing. But I wouldn’t make it a entirely new class ability more an item for them with around the same or maybe less time for recharge to that of the rpg. As the drone could heal the lowest players first but the only downside is that it kinda reveals the player’s position though the heal beam but that is really it. Or you could manually control it by pinging a teammate. The heal beam would heal around 3 points of health per second and the drone health be of 100.

[ruby jolt]

A bow would be a cool weapon for season 3

[tacit nacelle]

dagger needs a buff but giving it a bunch of abilities isnt the route
make backstab nore consistent, give it a slightly better range, give normal slash more damage, maybe make ppl with a melee weapon move faster

[ocean lava]

As for the light I could reasonably see it as being maybe a crappy pistol attached to it with maybe around 5-10 damage and a lock on time of 3 seconds to mitigate the impact of it. But mostly I could see it helping lights in fights against mediums or possibly heavy’s as the drone could help give the damage edge it needs to win or finish off players. But again the range would be limited to keep it from going broken.

[tacit nacelle]

oops ToT my messages didnt send earlier ig

[ocean lava]

Kinda redundant as the light is the fastest class and has the most melee options but the dagger may need some tweaks regarding back stab consistency

[tacit nacelle]

adding more healing is dangerous because it would be stackable
if they added a healing drone it probably shouldnt be usable with healing beam

[tacit nacelle]

i mean in general, melee weapons should give you a speed boost
also it isnt redundant still. itd give melee lights the chance to catch up other lights

[ocean lava]

I was kinda thinking of having completely replace healing beam but it still in a weird spot in my head regarding how it could be implemented as the nerf to the heal beams durations would be reasonable

Then again barley anyone heals and usually runs turret but I see what you mean

[ocean lava]

Wait they’re slower when using melee?

[tacit nacelle]

if you arent forced to control it, this could be broken when combined with the lh1 or sniper which leave ppl at 5-10 hp and probably useless otherwise
if it could mark targets tho thatd be cool

[tacit nacelle]

no but a light running m11 with dash will never get caught by a sword or dagger user with dash

[ocean lava]

Honestly yeah but I was gonna have its range be limited to that of an APS as to give it some reasonable use and not cross map but really anythint that allows for pings is great as most people don’t do it

[ocean lava]

Fair tbh, the dash really dose make or break most melee options

[tacit nacelle]

melee users need to be able to close the distance better
giving them abilities like wall climb would be feature overload i think tho
a passive speed boost is already common in games like valo or cod. its intuitive and helpful

[night cobalt]

I think they just need some extended range, and need to use their gadgets and abilities wisely

[tacit nacelle]

yeahhh
had a game yesterday against a dash sword player and they were never able to catch up ToT

[ocean lava]

Nah I had a power shift match where a light with dash and the baseball bat skin for the swords was messing everyone’s shit up

[night cobalt]

I think if you give them extended range probably just like 5% 10% more damage 5% faster hit rate I think they’ll be able to compete in ranked

[tacit nacelle]

even then, they would never be competitively viable
they moment somebody finds out youre running melee, they can play around it easily

[ocean lava]

Especially for daggers

[tacit nacelle]

did ppl just wait for them to get in range? ToT

[night cobalt]

I don’t agree that they’ll never be competitively viable. Don’t take it wrong. I just think if you change some stuff around like nurfing some weapons that have longer range or giving them some buffs like I already said, would put them on par

[ocean lava]

Nah he was dashing all over the point and back blasting the snipers we had

[night cobalt]

I really think Mayle weapons have a spot in ranked. They just need some tweaking.

[ocean lava]

The sword has some use in high level Play

[night cobalt]

They should do some testing before they release big updates they should make it so you can beta test if you sign up so they don’t accidentally release something that’s too overpowered or something that would be bad

[ocean lava]

Honestly I’d do that

I don’t care if theirs a reward I just wanna play test

[boreal laurel]

As a melee main, I agree. I think the biggest tweaks I’d like to see are the ability to run while striking and less punishment for getting hit by a stun gun

[night cobalt]

I like your idea about being able to run while striking but there Hass to be some punishment for being able to strike somebody while running. I think if you can hit people while running your weapon should have 5% less fire rate 10% minus damage.

[ocean lava]

Maybe have it where if you wiff a swing with a melee you get a slight movement decrease

[tacit nacelle]

melee weapons are only viable in games where ranged weapons are meant to be secondary

[night cobalt]

Wdym

[tacit nacelle]

if melee wasnt your only weapon, i think itd be different

[ocean lava]

Honestly if they put the work in it the dagger could be the melee weapon that can be a proof of concept that melee can be used in high level play

[night cobalt]

I understand what you’re saying if they do something like that, it would be kind of cool, but how would they implement it because if you could have an AK-47 and a sword that comes out of your pocket then what’s the point of using the sword just because your close range doesn’t mean the sword will be worth using because then you have to swap weapons during the fight

I really think melee weapons can be a part of high ranks play and be really good without having them be a secondary

The riot shield as I said before should have a wider shield around it, and should cover everything but your toes. You should also be able to run with the riot shield blocking you, but when you run it, it should have your legs exposed.

[tacit nacelle]

i was thinking more of like a cutlass and blunderbust or smthn

[night cobalt]

When you say blender bust, are you referencing sot?

[tacit nacelle]

whatnis sot?

[ocean lava]

I think something like montey from seige would be a good idea

[night cobalt]

Sea of thieves

[tacit nacelle]

ohhh yes like that ig

[night cobalt]

That sounds cool, but probably would be in the wrong spot for this type of game. Maybe if they implemented the riot shield like blitz then it would work.

Oh, God, let me cook as a developer

[tacit nacelle]

riot shield is different because you can close the gap with it
you cant close the gap using a dagger, sword, or sledgehammer tho without dash and body slam
with dash, you still have to hope your enemy cant aim, youre within 15 meters, and they don't have mobility
with bodyslam, youre still a slow target that can be sprinter away from and can be shot at easily

[night cobalt]

Here’s something that can probably fix that problem make it so if you have a melee weapon your 10% faster depending on what class you are

10% faster, medium 5% faster light 15% faster heavy

[tacit nacelle]

melee could be used in closed areas but you cant change weapons between points in ranked, so youd still be useless half the time

[tacit nacelle]

this is what I said earlier
that and better range

[night cobalt]

I think it also helps depending on what gadgets you run with the new gateway. If you catch, somebody offguard, you can make a portal right towards them.

I think a lot of this also depends on how skillful you are with my life weapons right now they’re not really in a good spot. They’re just used to have fun but you give them some buffs they’re gonna be really good.

[golden adder]

Easiest way to balance the shortcomings of melee is to have a weak ranged weapon to swap to.

Or give up and balance melee around being in the gadget slot

[night cobalt]

If ranged weapons are bad then what’s the point

[golden adder]

Being absolutely useless when you can’t physically reach someone + always being forced to get in the face of a team to do damage is a major downside of melee that a backup weapon would fix

[night cobalt]

I think if you just give people with melee weapons a speed boost like 5% for like 10% for medium 15% for heavy. I think it will make a big enough change to fill that gap. Also you can make them hit people faster and do more damage or wait until they get separated from their team and you pick them off one by one with the dagger

[tacit nacelle]

this is what i was saying with the blunderbust whatever

like a secondary ranged weapon

[tacit nacelle]

ranged weapons will still be better tho
even if you closed the gap faster, its generally not enough that you wont immediately be killed

[night cobalt]

I don’t like having multiple weapons. Personally, I think having one weapon and gadgets is for the best.

[night cobalt]

I think if you really just give them a lot of buffs, they can really be on par with every other weapon. Maybe you give them 50+ hell for running a melee weapon

There’s so many things you can do to make them better

[golden adder]

Melee will always be at a huge disadvantage when no other playstyle has moments where it’s impossible to deal any damage.

[tacit nacelle]

this
the only way they can ever be viable is if they have the ability to close the distance and win
dagger doesnt win even if they close the distance atm
maybe hammer is different because it has a lot of utility + they can shield, fortify, etc

[night cobalt]

I think that Mayle weapons aren’t always at a disadvantage right now. There are some situations where they don’t have a disadvantage.

[tacit nacelle]

such as?

even ay a melee weapons best, shotguns are better

[golden adder]

Also a contradictory statement

[night cobalt]

If you sneak up behind somebody, the dagger, you can kill an entire team or you can take away one of their teammates, which will give you the advantage in a fight

[night cobalt]

? Contradictory statement I don’t know what that means. I’m slow chat

[tacit nacelle]

if u get more than 2 backstabs in a game, you might actually be god

[night cobalt]

If you usually ability invisibility or dash it’s a lot easier to get backstabs

[gaunt pike]

Gateway is OP - And i main light.

[night cobalt]

I’m not 100% if it’s OP since it just released but I can maybe see if it’s OP I don’t know the stats on it though

[tacit nacelle]

backstab is extremely inconsistent atm
you also will only get one kill using it. after that youre killed by the other two enemies in their team

[gaunt pike]

Gateway can change the whole pace and rotations of a game.

Place point A on a Vault that hasn’t opened, RUN 70m away (Somtimes cash out is closer than that) Put 2nd gateway on Cashout

If you get a good spawn - you can have a cashout started before the other team has opened there vault

[night cobalt]

If you kill one person with a backstab, and if you get lucky and kill another person on their team, or you can dash away or grapple away, or go invisible, or grenade them, or flash bang them

[night cobalt]

They can make it so you only have 15 seconds to make a gateway or they can make it so you only can make a gateway 50 m away from where you started

[gaunt pike]

You can stand at 70m and through point B - so you get max about 85m

[night cobalt]

They can also make the cool down 45 seconds when you use it or 50

[tacit nacelle]

if you dash to get close and kill, youre not gonna be able to escape easily. if you use invis then the invis activation is slow enough that you can stop it

[gaunt pike]

The Box is also SUCKED UP automatically if an open Gate way is ontop of the Vault

[night cobalt]

You can use one or two dashes to be able to kill them or use one and have two to escape or just use two and use one to escape or go behind cover the invisibility probably can work depending on how you use it like if you turn a corner and go invisible, then it may work

[night cobalt]

Make it so it doesn’t automatically get sucked up by a portal but you should be able to throw stuff into the portal still also when you open up the portal make it last for 10 seconds

[gaunt pike]

Yea right now I can solo run a box and get cashout started before other team vault opens. Then my team is basically primed to steal 2nd cashout.

It’s op if you have a good team forsure

Actual teleport lol

Also spawn dependent a little bit tbf

[golden adder]

In cashout modes when you’re defending with a melee weapon, you’re not able to threaten teams with poke damage and force them to deal with you before stealing.

If attackers start stealing, melee has no choice but to fully commit to a fight.

[gaunt pike]

Or use nades ^

[night cobalt]

Here’s a way to fix it or at least slow it down make it so you can’t make a portal within 15 to 10 m of a vault or cash out. Make it so if there’s a cash in the cash out you can teleport close to it but if there’s none in it you cannot and if you’re an opening up a vault don’t make it so you can teleport close and if it’s unopened or not getting opened make it so you can’t make a portal close

[night cobalt]

Pyro grenades, gas, grenades, flash, bangs, regular grenades, terret, terret, glitch, grenade, stun, gun gateway

[golden adder]

2x shield and/or APS is standard

[gaunt pike]

A well placed glitch nade 😈

[night cobalt]

See

[gaunt pike]

It is hard tho I agree

[golden adder]

Nothing a light with a gun couldn’t do better

[night cobalt]

A light weapon is still pretty good, but if you have a dagger, you can one shot somebody which is better than having a mag dump at heavy

[gaunt pike]

Invis bomb into fight, stabby stab 1 time. Dash dash away

[golden adder]

If you don’t get killed doing that your efforts will be undone by a medium rez.

[gaunt pike]

That’s facts

High risk!

[night cobalt]

Sure just because they have a defibrillator that means once they get defib means will come back half health and you can ping where they’re getting rest and get your teammates either to shoot them or you go in and as soon as the revived one shot them with your main weapon

[gaunt pike]

Movement, location and timing for light is more important than wtv weapon or gadget imo

Dash amd invis are so powerful in the right hands. Issue is there’s like only 4 people who are so good it feels unfair lol

[golden adder]

These are all hypotheticals and the majority of the time the dagger light especially is dragging their team down in cashout defend scenarios

[gaunt pike]

Yea the dagger damage isn’t worth the trade off range of sword imo

[pine grail]

They need to buff the new shotty

[gaunt pike]

A lot of the stuff in this game has a really high skill ceiling- the new shotty included

But it’s hard for most people to use (myself included)

Interesting that they seem to approach the game with that mentality a bit

[night cobalt]

Oh God, the new shotgun feels so bad when you have your radical right on top of them and somehow it doesn’t hit them. It’s so weird.

[lucid mirage]

The best one

[night cobalt]

?

[potent ledge]

They don't need to buff it. They Just neet to make it better to aim with it. The new shotty is good for damadge

[pine grail]

Cap it’s worse than lights shotty and that says something give it a headshot hitbox at least

[sterile zinc]

They definitely should decrease the spread in my opinion, it just takes the skill out of what feels like is trying to be a hit an win or miss and lose gun. I can barely reliably hit shots even at point blank and at that point, I'll just use a sledge.

[pine grail]

It’s only acceptable if you have a team to shoot your targets but at that point it’s barely even worth

It’s a more precision based weapon by nature so if they let you headshot it would be good

[potent ledge]

So they Just need to nerf the light shorty or give it a 25 damadge buff in your opinion then? And make the aiming better.

[pine grail]

Light shotty is trash heavy sa12 is ridiculous and medium is middle but you need to make it at least better than the sa at something so it’s useful give it headshot multiplier and a 5 dmg bump on body shots and it should be fine

The body shot is 10 dmg short of killing meds in two shot so 10 dmg would make it viable

[potent ledge]

That good, but it is better at long range than the SA. The 10 dmg buff is good

[pine grail]

The prob is it’s targeting is mid so it’s range doesn’t matter

[potent ledge]

That's why they need to fix the aiming on it

[pine grail]

Yea so if it had a headshot a slight dmg buff and targeting buff it would be monstrous

[night cobalt]

The Dematerialize is OP because if you Dmitriy, the things that hold up the floating platform, it cannot be knocked down

[gritty swallow]

What would you change about licht shotgun becouse licht shotgun rn is sa but worse at Everything

[night cobalt]

Me?

[gritty swallow]

Just in general so kinda

[golden adder]

The old light shotgun just needed a slower fire rate with the same damage

[empty charm]

Make a throwable that reduces friction on whatever surface it's thrown on

[night cobalt]

I’d make it so it’s more accurate have a 15% faster fire rate as the other dude said with the hand cannon, he would make it, so it can pierce through barricades and some other stuff since there’s gonna have so high power, and it has an explosive shot from the looks of it when you shoot it I would make it so you keep 50% of the damage on penetration. Make it so the damage fall off is about 15 m away and loses 15% every 5 m damage wise.

[wise briar]

please bring back tracking dart for mediums......please.....you dont even have to remove them from lights......i just......please......... 😢

[night cobalt]

Idk

[wise briar]

oh no you dont! Dont idk me. It must happen!

this isnt fair

[night cobalt]

I think it’s probably best. If it’s in light kit it also does need some buffs. It’s not even that good in the first place.

[wise briar]

im actually really sad they removed my most fav gadget

[night cobalt]

Womp womp

[wise briar]

you lights are really cruel kind

not like u guys even use it at all

[night cobalt]

Actually, I was playing heavy yesterday night in ranked and almost the entire lobby about every match was using a tracking dart if they were on light

[wise briar]

As if snipers arent annoying enough, might as well just buff them all up with more useful gadgets

[tacit nacelle]

tracking dart is ass

[wise briar]

Its because you're noob at using it

[tacit nacelle]

single target tracking that can be missed

[wise briar]

u dont know the right way of using it

[tacit nacelle]

when you could just use sonar

[tacit nacelle]

mhm

[wise briar]

its not meant for tracking a small scale area, its meant to hunt players

[tacit nacelle]

i like tracking dart. its fun. its still ass tho

[night cobalt]

That is wild the tracking dart is complete garbage. I don’t know why you want it anyway also you called them a noob they are a higher level then you wish me they probably have more time than you in the game 💀💀💀

[tacit nacelle]

or you can just shoot them and get more value

like between getting sniped by a tracking dart or sniped by a sniper, ik what id choose

[wise briar]

Im not saying shes a bad player, im saying shes noob at using that gadget

[wise briar]

its a support gadget for the whole team to take advantage of. Not only for urself

[tacit nacelle]

aoe, multitarget, faster tracking that can affect peple you never saw is way better

[night cobalt]

It’s really bad

[tacit nacelle]

ur whole team will take advantage of sonar better

[night cobalt]

Womp womp got you there

[wise briar]

on a small radius

[tacit nacelle]

much bigger than tracking dart

[night cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-gif-5958854468941694453

[wise briar]

tracking dart can track that player anywhere on the map

[tacit nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-gif-5958854468941694453

[night cobalt]

So are you going to chase them down to the end of earth to kill them? Because with the sear you can use it all offensive and defensive.

[tacit nacelle]

if you hit them
your team isnt going to be able to follow up on an enemy 7 lightyears away that you hit either

[wise briar]

Oh yes. It worked perfectly fine for my whole team when i tracked the guy with a vault

[tacit nacelle]

if thèyre more than 30 meters awayz your team isnt chasing them. if they are, theyre playing badly. id the person is under 30m away, sonar is more useful

[night cobalt]

Fr

[wise briar]

Sonar is only useful when you're either defending a cashout, or trying to track players in a cashout room

[tacit nacelle]

vault is already shown and you dont need to track them. you can cut them off just as easily or better yet, SHOOT THEM

[tacit nacelle]

or to find where people are when youre attacking
or when somebody ran away and you need to find them
throw sonar and if it finds nobodyz yk they went the other way

[wise briar]

It always drives them crazy when you track vaulters. Plus, u have multiple darts. U dont just have to hit that specific player

[tacit nacelle]

there usually arent more than 2 or 3 ways to go

[tacit nacelle]

u have 2
even if you hit them 100% of the time and you ignored the fact that it takes time, theyd still be abt as good as sonar

[night cobalt]

Chat if they buff the tracking dart, maybe it will be better

[tacit nacelle]

sonar needs more ammo, faster fire rate, and faster recharge. maybe a bigger hitbox too

let the player tag several people with a more skilled and less efficient gadget than donar

[wise briar]

When i am defending a cashout from a moving platform, i always use darts to track enemies that are about to engage my team. They always hesitate all the time before jumping straight in. Its very informative for the whole team to know where ur enemies are rather than getting surprised

[wise briar]

the cooldown isnt that long

[night cobalt]

Yes

[tacit nacelle]

if it had more ammo, faster cd would geneŕally be required

[tacit nacelle]

there are set areas that a person can engage. if you use sonar youll know just as well
you can also just SHOOT them so they either hesitate to engage or fight at a big disadvantage

[wise briar]

If im defending a cashout indoors, it doesnt mean i need the tracking dart. I can literally change to sonar for my next respawn

[night cobalt]

That doesn’t make sense why use the tracking dart at all then lol

[tacit nacelle]

exactly

tracking dart is fun. but its not strong lmao

[wise briar]

Sigh....i wish i recorded all of my tracking dart moments. I just dont know how to explain it to you anymore

[jovial gust]

It's not strong but thing is useful

[tacit nacelle]

but like
whats better? hitting somebody for 49 damage with the lh1 so they get into the fight weaker, or seeing them through walls for a short time?

[jovial gust]

Both

[tacit nacelle]

its not that useful tho...

[jovial gust]

Some situations it's really useful

[wise briar]

lol if im engaging an enemy literally right in front of me, why on earth would i use the dart? ofc i'll feed him with the Fcar

[jovial gust]

It's really good in power shift, especially if you run the sniper

[tacit nacelle]

tracking dart takes time to use and out away. if somebody is out for long enough that you can hit them with both, you probably wouldve been able to hit them for 98-147 damage

[tacit nacelle]

tracking dart isn't on med anymore. ud have the lh1, sniper, or xp i youre using tracking daet

[wise briar]

If the enemy doesnt know where i am and still searching, i'll use it first, then use my main weapon, and my whole team knows where he is. Like i said, its a support gadget, not an offensive tool

[tacit nacelle]

lh1 and sniper can hit at any range youre using the tracking dart

[wise briar]

Yes. Im very well aware of that.

[tacit nacelle]

theres no need to use a support gadget when you can just KILL them tho

[wise briar]

And no. I dont like playing light

[wise briar]

U totally ignored all the things i've just explained sigh

[tacit nacelle]

you would rather hit them woth a tracking dart than catch them off guard and kill them
i read what you said

[wise briar]

its not that slow to switch between a dart and a main weapon

[tacit nacelle]

its enough time that most light weapons can kill and a light can be killed

if not kill then leave them at critical health

its the same idea as using stungun to engage except it gives less value than stungun

[wise briar]

If its a light, i might as well just kill him on the spot, but that isnt the main purpose of the dart. Its to tag all classes from a fair distance

[night cobalt]

The tracking number is pretty much just useless right now

[tacit nacelle]

if its a med, you leave them at very low health. if its a heavy, you leave them at mid health

[wise briar]

My whole team literally hunt those tagged players everytime i used the dart. Not even bs you

[night cobalt]

All types of recon devices are no longer really needed. They’re just mediocre as a whole.

[wise briar]

They even thanked me for it. No lie i swear

[tacit nacelle]

they track down a person who knows theyre being tracked and should have their team with them? youre basically just taking a teamfight at a slight disadvantage because they will be ready

[tacit nacelle]

sonar still has uses imo
helps with invis and can allow you to see where people are camping n stuff

[wise briar]

Mediums are support class. Has always been. Im actually enjoyed supporting my whole team with useful gadgets. Now idk what to do anymore

[night cobalt]

There’s still other gadgets, you can use to help your team like the heel beam sonar grenade

[night cobalt]

It does help with that, but if you’re smart and you know what you’re doing, you can easily figure out where an Ines with the sound keys

[tacit nacelle]

use aps. mines. defib. jump pad. zipline. grenade. gas. literally anything

[wise briar]

Most situations doesnt always involve all of the enemy team still being alive. Sometimes its just only one or two of them. It really depends on the situation. Engagement is always unpredictable. No situation is perfect

[wise briar]

Yes i always use the beam and APS. Defibs and APS is always a must for my loadout. Like i said, i only use the sonar when defending a cashout or engaging a room of an enemy cashout

[wise briar]

I dont need ziplines and jump pads. My other teammates always use those. Its a waste of loadout if all of ur teammates are using the same thing

[night cobalt]

Just replace the dart with sonar or zip line

[wise briar]

Im just using gas grenades or mines at this point. Not like i have the other choice anymore

[night cobalt]

Bruh

[wise briar]

Its not fair man. This is really painful for me

All i just want is my dart back. Dont even have to remove it from the light class

[night cobalt]

There’s always a replacement also, just try and get better with other stuff then or completely switched classes

[wise briar]

I really suck at light, im not even gonna hide that

Heavy is not really fun for me

[night cobalt]

I’m a flex I can play anything

[night cobalt]

Just practice and get better and use the loadout. That’s good for you.

[wise briar]

I played light for like, less than 20 times. And half of the reason was to farm those items from that cowboy event

It wasnt pleasant

[night cobalt]

I don’t know what to say you kinda just gotta get better you can’t just one trip the same kit the entire game you have to get better with different items

[wise briar]

Well thats what the reserve is for. I dont always use the same gadgets the entire match. I scrutnize the situations and choose whatever other gadgets that fits the situation.

What do you guys got to lose anyway if i use the dart?

[restive plover]

@wise briar what if I give u poison dart?

[wise briar]

Lol bro, still with the poison dart again lmao

[night cobalt]

Rizz me

[wise briar]

I still think they should add a glitch effect when the dart hits an enemy

[night cobalt]

That’s a good idea

[restive plover]

Yeah

[wise briar]

Yeah its not happening ever. Embark doesnt listen

[night cobalt]

Remove the level seven and replace it with this instead

[wise briar]

Just remove the purple skin. Its ugly af

[potent ledge]

same

[night cobalt]

No, I want the skin to replace the level seven master skin

[restive plover]

@wise briar what do u think?
Get poison tracking and heal dart to light or medium class

Replace medium grenade launcher for explosive crossbow so u have to be accurate,it's spammy especially with more then one players using it,it's op against light and mediocre with other classes.

Get double barrel shotgun to heavy
Get heavy a power jump and smash ability
Get mesh shield to break on the sides the more damage it get so u actually have to aim where u r being shoot at

Get dagger secondary attack to be stuck to walls and have u wall run for 1.5 seconds and then u have to use dagger again to be stuck to walls and u can jump off further from walls,this may seem kinda slow but with grapple hook and dash or use cloak u can get round vertical places very quick.

Remove auto aim for dagger,it misses the backstab hitbox.
Have a fast downward thrust attack(100damage) so u can fall off from high places also a mini slide lunge,the dagger is slow and awkward but with these suggestions it's still balanced compared to auto aim,no accuracy lunge and dash combo of sword.

[azure dawn]

Man, stop posting the same thing over and over. No one wants to hear these goofy takes over and over, especially when you ping them for no reason. Get out of the kitchen before you burn down the house

[restive plover]

@azure dawn tell me your non goofy takes plz

[azure dawn]

Not wanting double barrel shotgun on heavy

It makes literally no sense

[potent ledge]

true

[restive plover]

It will be between auto shot and the ks

[azure dawn]

No 😂 it's gonna be worse than both

[steel pelican]

their best take is just the idea of buffing a dagger. Im totally not saying this because im a light dagger player.

[azure dawn]

And KS already isn't very good

[azure dawn]

No that's the best part, I'm talking about everything else

[restive plover]

I was hoping double barrel could get the best of both

[steel pelican]

true

[sullen dirge]

Thermal issue with skyboxes since launch @hearty solstice and smokes

[restive plover]

Bro I don't like any shotguns KS is bad and auto shot is op boring

[hearty solstice]

damn bug for 3 months 😂

[restive plover]

Maybe have one slug and one buck shot

[azure dawn]

You can post your opinions, but it's annoying when you do it repeatedly (pinging random people) and type pissed off and arrogant messages on the side. Some of your messages already got deleted because of this

[sullen dirge]

If a light goes invis and theres a skybox you just can't see them on thermal

And smoke is bugged like hell as you can see

[restive plover]

@azure dawn tell me about the arrogant ones

[azure dawn]

I'm good, you should know, and they've been deleted by now

You just have this kind of... over exaggerated self importance about you. I think that's your problem.

Anyways

[restive plover]

Be spec 🙌

Be specific

[azure dawn]

No, I'm good

[azure dawn]

I forgot dead go boom was a thing for a while 💀

[sullen dirge]

Me too

[restive plover]

That's not helping why bother saying if u can't give context
Is it because I say for this game not to be like cod?

[azure dawn]

I can give context, it's just too much work, especially since your old messages got deleted. And no.

[restive plover]

Old messages to people or just feed back got deleted?

[full seal]

Sledgehammer can clip you through the ground if your in anti gravity. I managed to recreate it 2 times but idk how exactly it works

If you run into the anti grav cube and then use the heavy swing it happens

[restive plover]

I forgot there was a anti gravity,I almost never see it being used

[chilly turret]

Mayhaps the AUG will be added as a full-auto scoped bullpup to heavy

it seems like it could be fun

[restive plover]

@chilly turret it would have no recoil shotgunmilf(Ur profile name)

[chilly turret]

Shotgun milf is a new one.. but you are right.

[azure dawn]

I think a scoped AUG with a drum mag would be fun... and maybe balanced

[chilly turret]

Nono, the LMGs are the big mag weapons. I was thinking this could be a smaller mag with somewhat higher damage and big visual recoil

It could be the long-range answer but still not be able to beam people

[azure dawn]

I don't know if that would be suited to what heavy is supposed to be

That feels more like another medium weapon imo

[chilly turret]

True. I just like bullpups tbh and I can’t let mediums have all the fun!

[azure dawn]

Yes bullpups are awesome! But I just had a thought. What about a low DMG, low range, high spread, high fire rate AA12 for heavy?

[chilly turret]

Fuck yes (I am not biased at all)

[azure dawn]

Lmao

I love guns man (or woman whatever)

[chilly turret]

gravitate towards the second option if it’s not too much trouble

[steel pelican]

how do you get the class based flairs?

nvm found it

[azure dawn]

It's not, I will

[chilly turret]

Much appreciated

[steel pelican]

antigravitate

[chilly turret]

cube

[steel pelican]

ill see myself out

[restive plover]

@steel pelican troll idea but get a anti gravity dart gun to slow enemies down or just send them high in the sky lol

[azure dawn]

A woman, with a Titanfall pfp and they know guns? No way

[steel pelican]

so a trap launchpad but skillshot?

[chilly turret]

I know it’s hard to believe lol

[restive plover]

I don't know it's just a troll idea I had

[rigid tulip]

do you guys prefer gas or regular grenades on your medium builds?

[rough inlet]

gas is always a good go

[azure dawn]

How good are you at video games in general? Just curious

[azure dawn]

Regular, because my friend runs gas

[chilly turret]

I’d say im average to above average. I hit some good kraber and scorch shots every now and then

I don’t take it too seriously but I enjoy being good

[azure dawn]

Oh I see, same here. The Finals was the first game I played ranked in, and I managed to get to Diamond last season

What platforms are you on? (If there are multiple)

[topaz sparrow]

How much damage does revolver do?

[chilly turret]

Xbox- it does YEEHAW damage

[topaz sparrow]

I feel like it's weak up close and weak at the distance

[azure dawn]

Emotional damage if you play RDR2

[chilly turret]

it has an extremely tight hipfire spread so it’s decent in close to mid range, but the damage falloff is heavy at long range

However, it is a very consistent pistol. Lotta fun

[topaz sparrow]

It really isnt

[chilly turret]

Then the issue is you, not the gun.

[topaz sparrow]

Is it?

[azure dawn]

No it is, and the headshot multiplier is crazy

[chilly turret]

With a headshot you can two-tap a light.

[azure dawn]

Not that I can hit headshots consistently with that thing

[topaz sparrow]

The spread covers like half of the screen if you dont duck

[azure dawn]

Then duck (unless you're playing on console, then it might be hard to do)

[topaz sparrow]

Then it isnt really consistent

[azure dawn]

It's def not as good as FCAR and stuff, but it can be really good. I'd call it on par with the Model 1887 (which you can do CRAZY work with.)

[topaz sparrow]

I like to be able to shoot melee lights before they eat my toes

[chilly turret]

1887 and 357 are equals in my mind, very balanced and lots of fun

[topaz sparrow]

Naturally I want a gun that I can fire without aiming

[azure dawn]

1887

[azure dawn]

Also we can play later today if you'd like! I have another friend on Xbox who is on par or better than me :)

[unkempt spire]

why is there no way to counter stuning guns and melees?

[azure dawn]

There is, but you have to like aim your gun

[west elbow]

What would you say is the best medium build gun? Thanks

[azure dawn]

FCAR if you can aim, I'd recommend AKM if you have trouble doing so

[night cobalt]

The F car and a KM are the two best guns right now, but some people like using the model and the revolver

[winter aspen]

nerf the SA-1216

[chilly turret]

I have a therapy appointment but I might be available afterward

[azure dawn]

Alr, no pressure, but I'm here if you're bored

[proud schooner]

the guardian turret is incredibly annoying
it just decreases your hp while you're trying to run away or get your teammate or something. And it's A LOT of damage, plus it takes a whole mag from an FCAR to get it down while it's also gonna deal you like 150 damage

[azure dawn]

Yeah, it cancels cloak while it has LoS on you

[calm crater]

just passing by to yap for msg requirement

[zenith bramble]

same

[night cobalt]

I think the turret needs some nurfs like making it do 10% less damage and a 5% slower fire rate

[versed mulch]

what if they added a poop gun that shoots poop on people

[night cobalt]

💀

[golden adder]

Turret wouldn’t be so bad for lights if lights recovered health faster. Chip damage screws them

[polar gazelle]

w game

[tired summit]

im a kraber kuickskoper and frag nade chef in titanfall 2

[tired summit]

goo gun reskin?

[naive river]

Add wolf head bundle

Like the panda, bunny and fox

[icy sparrow]

True

[icy sparrow]

See my comment and use it on feedback thread

[night cobalt]

?

[icy sparrow]

Lights and heavies have interesting abilities but medium has jumppad and defib while hopping and peeking using grenade launchers being op to lights and annoying to deal with other classes.
Why poison go through walls and have that big of an area of effect?
Poison mine and grenade launcher with turret spam ruins the game and 2 players it’s over!!!
What a joke!
Get the turret to track and show enemies only when hit and reduce the fire rate hitscan spammy nightmare and make more of a recon offensive thing.

An ability to see turrets and and mines through walls and hear footsteps near by to replace recon senses for medium but lights suffer from mines and turrets the most.
Add tactical compound bow and arrow for medium and show the distance in the scope to measure projectile distance. Make parkour more like mirrors edge game. Zip line gadget is so damn slow I never see it in game so make it faster or add a grapple hook varient gadget for medium that’s more momentum based where u can swing and zip line up faster manually.
Be tarzen spiderman I don’t know make the devs figure it out

• [ ]

[tired summit]

have you heard of AHEM glitch grenades?

[night cobalt]

I don’t know what you’re asking about

[tired summit]

"Zip line gadget is so damn slow I never see it in game so make it faster or add a grapple hook varient gadget for medium"

Zipline IS medium variant of the grapple!

[tired summit]

" Make parkour more like mirrors edge game"
THEN PLAY MIRRORS EDGE

[tired summit]

this game is the most balanced ive seen in a while. everything has a counter for everything else. ANY electronic device or ABILITIES is easily DISABLED by glitch grenades / traps

ALSO stun gun if u want to get the easiest kills in your life

[icy sparrow]

Too slow people use jump pad instead

[night cobalt]

The zip line and the jump pad are very good but me personally, I like the jump pad better don’t get me wrong. The zip line is still really good. It just takes a little bit too long to set up in my opinion.

[icy sparrow]

Gadget scan helps me find out what turrets to throw to disable mines and turret before they get me

[icy sparrow]

U just proved my point,it’s good but not good enough,what’s wrong with swinging?

[night cobalt]

The zip line still has a place you can get to places that are higher easier sometimes and I’ll see if you can zoom past the map instead of getting on a roof

[tired summit]

"Add tactical compound bow and arrow for medium and show the distance in the scope to measure projectile distance." so you want a sniper. reskinned as a bow. if medium had anything close to a sniper it would be broken. and the revolver is a great substitute.

[verbal wedge]

:D

[icy sparrow]

I want a damn scope for medium to at least look long at something range and it’s not exactly a reskin,it’s a mix between sniper and throwing knives with bullet drop and projectile speed to think off.
U also have to charge it to get more damage

[tired summit]

but A BOW wouldnt work

[icy sparrow]

With enough damage and projectile speed it would,add explosives bolts

[tired summit]

it would be WAY to hard to use right. especially in a game so fast paced with very fast ttks imagine. u take 2 seconds to charge ur bow and then. u get backstabbed or u miss and then u gotta redo it or die trying

[tired summit]

SO NOW ITS THE GRENADE LAUNCHER FOR MEDIUM oh wait... thats right MEDIUM ALREADY HAD A GRENADE LAUNCHER AND ITS THE BEST ONE THERE IS?!

[icy sparrow]

Think about the speed of throwing knife the primary fire would have that speed and secondary would have a faster the further range arrow

[icy sparrow]

It’s too good

[tired summit]

what ur saying is that u want throwing knifes. for medium. that explode

[icy sparrow]

Not exactly explode but throwing knife but long range sniper

[tired summit]

... are you reading what ur typing? u want to FIX the issue of the grenade laucher beiing broken. by adding a STRONGER grenade laucher that is a pain to use AND has the range of a sniper

[jagged falcon]

The range of a sniper would make that thing busted 💀

[tired summit]

ive heard enough. ur stupid weapon idea isnt gonna work. just leave it to the developers

ur digging yourself a deeper grave

[icy sparrow]

Look i said explosive bolt to make u stop talking cause u don’t like the idea.

[icy sparrow]

No I have projectile speed and bullet drop to worry about

[tired summit]

but wait... so its the grenade shotgun heavy has but for medium with a bow skin...

OH WAIT. it has a scope as well

[icy sparrow]

Just a normal bow and arrow with no explosives bolt

[tired summit]

@icy sparrow i stg u came from fortnite

[tired summit]

it wouldnt match the theme

[icy sparrow]

U like playing noobtube with grenade launcher being annoying the fine,at least add something new to the convo instead of complaining,u got a better idea?

[tired summit]

ill stop shitting on ur weapon idea once u convince the devs its a good weapon. cuz trust me that will RUIN THE GAME. instead of fixing the problem ur ADDING TO IT by making a substitute to the broken weapon by making a stronger version.

[tired summit]

if u hate the grenade launcher use the aps turret

[icy sparrow]

I was just winging it with the explosive bolt part but u at least have to be accurate with it,I don’t camp with aps

[tired summit]

thats what i said at the sstart. everything has a counter u just gotta look for it

[tired summit]

i dont even play medium. i MAIN light. heavy is goofy and medium is dogshit after the nerfs

[tired summit]

i do have a better idea that ACTUALLY WORKS. it would be good to allow the GRENADE launchers to DESTROY the environment

[icy sparrow]

Same but medium is boring so I suggested something interesting

[icy sparrow]

Use explosive mines with launcher to break walls

[tired summit]

thats dedicating 2 slots to destroy something. with heavy his whole kit destroys

[icy sparrow]

Lol that’s what heavies r meant for

[tired summit]

also with the new gadget dematerialiser u can now break walls and play around them as cover which is a GREAT way to add "destruction" to medium without actually giving them destruction

[icy sparrow]

What about having a crossbow with 6 explosive bolts to replace medium launcher so u have to be accurate and not peek and hipfire spam?

[tired summit]

that could work to REPLACE the original weapon yes

it would be like a dmr with explosive rounds. but the radius for the explosion shouldnt be large to encourage taking time to aim and hit shots

[icy sparrow]

It’s faster and does more damage with direct hit and stick to walls for a delayed explosion so u cant spam it near lights,u get a scope and everything

It’s skill based and has more wall destructive abilities

[icy sparrow]

Look at farcry4 auto cross weapons,it’s based off of that

[restive plover]

is gateway good?

[icy sparrow]

If u like it then yes

[night cobalt]

It’s right now really good

[fallow otter]

what is best build for light?

[night cobalt]

A XP 50 or M 11 gadgets, Pyro grenade, sun, gun vanish bomb, or instead of the Pyro grenade gateway portal if you’re in a team or you can use gas grenade or really anything you like in that slot your ability should be dash @fallow otter

[restive plover]

yay

[fallow otter]

hmm ok thanks

[icy sparrow]

Lights and heavies have interesting abilities but medium has jumppad and defib while hopping and peeking using grenade launchers being op to lights and annoying to deal with other classes.
Why poison go through walls and have that big of an area of effect?
Poison mine and grenade launcher with turret spam ruins the game and 2 players it’s over!!!
What a joke!
Get the turret to track and show enemies only when hit and reduce the fire rate hitscan spammy nightmare and make more of a recon offensive thing.

An ability to see turrets and and mines through walls and hear footsteps near by to replace recon senses for medium but lights suffer from mines and turrets the most.
Add tactical compound bow and arrow for medium and show the distance in the scope to measure projectile distance. Make parkour more like mirrors edge game. Zip line gadget is so damn slow I never see it in game so make it faster or add a grapple hook varient gadget for medium that’s more momentum based where u can swing and zip line up faster manually.
Be tarzen spiderman I don’t know make the devs figure it out

• [ ]

Help me get these ideas to feedback thread

[tired summit]

are we really going to have this conversation again?

[polar gazelle]

turret spam aren't op, heal Bean spam is the real problem

[hasty sky]

depends on your team

[torn mason]

Use data reshaper if you have a problem with turrets. You’re just bad if you’re complaint about turrets. Hell glitch grenades work too

[prime locust]

I would like a gun that throws me backwards when I fire it, like the noisy cricket from MIB

[restive plover]

i would like a gadget that can turn you into a prop

[mellow lodge]

glitch grenades are out of the arguement as aps

[torn mason]

I hate to say it but maybe aps needs a small nerf

[restive plover]

oh or make magic gadgets like a fireball would go hard

[mellow lodge]

yeah it needs a life span or amount of things it can absorb

as like most of the time before it breaks you'll have another one, also if the medium has any brain sells their turret won't die as they can just pick it back up an place it down again full health instantly

[torn mason]

Season 3: Dungeons and Dragons

[restive plover]

YES

[crude storm]

sign me@up

[fast herald]

So playing this second season I realized something: heavy became literally ass to play compared to light or medium. I used to main heavy but now with this update it makes it near impossible to compete with mediums or lights with their new gear. Now I’m moving to either light or medium depending what I play and that’s literally all you see now lol. They nerfed heavy to hard.

[crude storm]

Bruh what heavy is easily the best class in the game.

[rain grove]

hello i want to level

hello i want to level

[mellow lodge]

medium is, heavy is second best and light is straight ass

[mellow lodge]

you are playing heavy wrong then or have awful team mates

[noble bane]

hi

[sleek barn]

fucking nerf double beam on a person wtf is that

[night cobalt]

wtf is double bum?

Beam

[sleek barn]

2 heal beams

[night cobalt]

They can make it so say if someone has two healing beams on your team, the healing beams to 35% less healing or 25% less or you can make it if you use both the healing beams on one person makes it so it doesn’t work as well

[night cobalt]

It’s still really good you just need to be good at it

[sleek barn]

i think a person should only be affected by a singular beam at once. so you can run 2 and be fine but if u both heal the same person that person only gets healing from 1 beam or they both do half or smth

[fast herald]

i do just play with randoms lol.

[night cobalt]

That’s good too, but then people who only use healing being, won’t be able to do anything with it only in certain situations

[fast herald]

yeah i prob just got to get used to countering the new gadgets im still not used to.

[sleek barn]

yeah ig. I got a guy down to like no health and both his teammates popped a healing beam on him and it just was insane i couldnt out dps it

[night cobalt]

When that happens happens, just regroup

[sleek barn]

i tried to run and all 3 turned to guns and killed me lol

[night cobalt]

Use your gadgets like jump pad or flash bang

[chilly turret]

honestly

fuck lights and their damn smgs

[mellow lodge]

Yeah they do get fucked instantly with their low ttk and low health

Thougj if you using shotgun lights would destroy you

[restive plover]

For medium, do you this the famas is good or the heavy AR is better?

I can't tell

[chilly turret]

Low TTK? I want whatever you’re smoking mate

[azure dawn]

yeah their whole shtick is being able to secure a kill quickly

[mellow lodge]

Well light only has a fast ttk against other lights

Otherwise the other classes win every gun fight if the light hasn't stunned you

[south timber]

Lights can also melt Mediums pretty good

[azure dawn]

all classes can

[mellow lodge]

Yeah but medium melts light quicker

[chilly turret]

not if the light has any skill (they don’t)

[mellow lodge]

Go look at the spread sheets for ttk times

[south timber]

I mean of course you should try to not engage them from the front

[azure dawn]

wait I read this wrong hold up

[azure dawn]

THIS is what I thought he was saying

[south timber]

But yeah when I play Light I try to only attack them when they dont directly face me because then yeah you get melted

[tranquil marsh]

do you guys think that the mgl32 is viable compared to other heavy weapons?

[south timber]

Too niche so I would say no

[brittle yoke]

did they mess with grappling hook in s2 asking for a friend

[boreal laurel]

Not that I’ve heard

[brittle yoke]

i knew it

[ebon viper]

What's the limit of the anti gravity object size?

[keen jacinth]

Please nerf or give the heavy class the stun gun light class doesn't need it

[chilly turret]

or just- remove it

[mellow lodge]

Why on earth would they give heavy stun gun?

Stun needs a rework not a nerf anyway

[analog flint]

h

[restive plover]

Honestly I think it should be left alone.

[mellow lodge]

Yeah its really not as annoying as people make it out to be

[chilly turret]

It’s annoying when people overuse it and crutch on it for kills they could’ve gotten without it

[reef sage]

I've found a troll light setup: tazer, flashbang and tracking dart... How to drive people insane, that's the answer( fun fact: they don't taze you to kill you, they just taze you and run away...)

[mellow lodge]

Gotta run cloak with it as well

[reef sage]

It depends, you can dash looney tunes style or Spider-Man your way with grappling hook as well

[verbal wedge]

xd

[jolly tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/gm-good-morning-happy-birthday-jo-quiet-life2k9-gif-9901397648034012748

[elder zealot]

Make like a glitch barrel because every grenade has a barrel version

[sick glade]

What’s the best weapon

[mellow lodge]

fcar

[sick glade]

Thanks

Best gadgets

[mellow lodge]

defib

[sick glade]

Ok

[mellow lodge]

then whatever else you want

[sick glade]

Thx

[burnt gyro]

true

[uncut pilot]

Help; Fatal Error: Build request failed

[soft latch]

I feel like the famas bullet dmg should be increased by 1

[dawn glen]

Sa1216 nerf nooo😭
And a well appreciated glitch grenade buff

[kind sail]

Glitch grenades sound dope now

[open orbit]

Will glitch trap trigger if theyre inside a dome shield when its deployed?

[patent bloom]

The finals blinding mine (basically flashbang but mine, blind everyone around it upon impact, the farther you are the less time the effect will last)

[fluid venture]

nope.

[worthy vigil]

Why does melee weapon ignore the riot shield block? Literally any damage goes through the shield

[potent ledge]

the amounts of noobs spamming cl-40 needs to

[hallow leaf]

please remove the crutch that is the stun gun

[silver kiln]

heavy as a class is a crutch

[worthy vigil]

if heavy is a crutch, the sr84 is a wheelchair for campers

[potent ledge]

day 7 of asking for a 50cal wepon like deegul or som 50cal ammo

[heavy swan]

did the patch change how melees work? it feels like my crosshair locks on to the middle after i hit the dummies with any melee but not guns in the practise range(did not test it in normal match yet)

[hot anchor]

rip SA got a nerf again

[hallow leaf]

it needed it

[heavy swan]

you can still two shot lights, three shot mediums

[hot anchor]

im not sa lover so

im happy to not use it

[pallid ether]

Nah the FAMAS needs to do more damage

Or at least more body shot damage

Me and some friends did a bunch of testing and the FAMAS just can’t complete competitively against weapons like the FCAR. I love the FAMAS and would like to start using it in ranked. Tho I would understand if no change ends up being made.

[sudden marsh]

I love the famas

[mellow lodge]

i change did happen, they fixed visual recoil not working as intended which made it worse 👍

[sudden marsh]

It’s my favourite gun

I already maxed it out

[pallid ether]

I haven’t had a chance to play with the update so hopefully that helps

[mellow lodge]

it has a ton of horizontal recoil on burst 4 and each burst followed by it

[pallid ether]

Oh ok that’s not so bad

[mellow lodge]

well long range it's no longer good

and doesn't compete close range so idk what it does now

[pallid ether]

me and my friends can do some more testing to see if it changes the competitiveness of the weapon

[pallid ether]

That was what made the FCAR so good

It could fry at close range but also take fights at mid to long range depending on your aim

I’d say more mid to close range, that’s where I find myself more often than not while using the FAMAS

[mellow lodge]

yeah idk why devs made the fcar just better, and then nerf the akm harder than the fcar, wacky balance

[pallid ether]

Right, but to be fair they can’t change everything we ask for. I personally just want to be able to use something other than the FCAR and not suffer bc of it. Like I like the FCAR it’s just over used way too much at this point being used by 7 out of every 10 players (we did some asking around our community)

idk tho, I think in a game like THE FINALS there shouldn’t really be a “this is meta, use this” kinda thing, but I also understand it hard sometimes with balancing and all of that

[spiral pilot]

how you guys like the heavy shotgun nerf

i think the nerf is very strong, shots to kill light is still 2 but you need 2 solid shots, otherwise you need 3 if you miss a little bit

combined with RPM its really big nerf but its still good enough to kill stuff

[obsidian delta]

does reloading weapons while scoped take longer?

[mellow lodge]

i'm fine with a meta i just wish the meta would actually change

[polar gazelle]

I mean there's the new shotgun

[pallid ether]

Yeah no I completely agree, it’d be kinda nice for the meta to change even by just a little

[cobalt dirge]

Buff heavy weapons

[pallid ether]

😭

[true ridge]

Am I going crazy or does the m11 cook now

[sharp dragon]

Why the fuck do i always get a lobby with noobs and the game is already as good as done? 🤬🤬 fuck that shit. It aint COD!

[dense topaz]

Wdym it slaps already

[pallid ether]

I explain it more in detail in my last messages

[pallid ether]

Hey it’s gonna be ok man, we understand your frustration but please keep the language to a minimum thank you!

[sharp dragon]

@pallid ether welcome to Holland. This is how we talk nowadays.

[pallid ether]

@sharp dragon unfortunately no this isn’t holland. I ask you again to please keep your language to a minute standard. Much appreciated

[sharp dragon]

Fuck this shit!

[icy raft]

watch your tone

[eager geode]

What is best weapon for gyro aiming? I tried a lot and figure out that long range weapons are problematic because accuracy is destroyed by auto drift regulation. Its just recentering all the time when i try to aim precisly. You cant basicly aim with rly subtle wrist move because its negate by game software (or my controller is damaged idk). Is model 1887 good on gyro? Any other vialable options? I would like pick something that can benefit from gyro. Famas on 10-13 sensitivity was fun but only for close distances.
I play on ps5

[strange trout]

How much damage does a melee do?

[ocean lava]

It surly feels more consistent

[brisk silo]

Fix your attitude and make some friends

[normal cliff]

^I'll be taking this now 🤣

[brisk silo]

I stole it like half an hour ago 🤣

[normal cliff]

Nice, gotta keep the cycle going

[tacit nacelle]

mmr

[pallid patrol]

I love dagger
it's like dark souls 💀

[rocky aspen]

Should had blocking for Sword it s will be perfect

[sonic gale]

Hey, I just saw a video where it looks like a light can throw and instantly melee his breach charge dealing damage but not to himself. Is this a strat that anyone has heard of?

[severe vortex]

M4

[azure dawn]

Ye

[tired summit]

make it so each time it absorbs 3 items. it goes on a 20 second cooldown AND make it so when it IS active it has a bright light flashing or a laser beam showing its AoE radius and when its disabled / on cooldown the light is gone. similiar to how the turret has the light and with mines

[hallow leaf]

20 sec is too long i would say at most 5 -10 sec

[elder zealot]

make like a glitch barrrel because every grenade has a barrel type

[grave trellis]

Sonar barrel too while they are at it xD

[cobalt dirge]

Or just shoot it ?

[tired summit]

yeah BUT it erases ALL projectiles from existance with ZERO cooldown its a bit MUCH

[grave trellis]

Yup shooting aps is the play, however, it works 100% through walls so u can just box it with heavy barriers so its still op

[tired summit]

dafuq?

[elder zealot]

I think that they should at a bow for light

[tired summit]

have you been smoking?

[grave trellis]

Chill, probably a kid

[cobalt dirge]

Heavy charge go brrr

[elder zealot]

i am 13

[grave trellis]

Its the only counter, heavy flame+charge

[grave trellis]

You’re cool, enjoy the game bro

[cobalt dirge]

You say op but imagine defending a cash out and the opposing team is all running grenade launchers and ur aps has a limited count on how many it can block, everyone would be crying for grenade launcher nerfs when the heavy and medium are making it impossible to move

[grave trellis]

Then apply a second aps if the enemy team is relying more on projectiles

[cobalt dirge]

One grenade launcher clip and your aps is useless and then ur entire team is dead oh yeah

[torn mason]

That’s too many nerfs but I like the direction

Does any else wish we could switch between reserves in ranked

[grave trellis]

Either a good ammo count or some form of short cooldown

[torn mason]

I think you give it limited count but give it a huge clip

[shell imp]

i like the gateway its so fun to use

[grave trellis]

Making a PRIMARY weapon 100% useless is busted, i see a medium / heavy running grenade launcher and i drop the APS and he cant damage me, then i just pick the aps back up after the kill

An arming time for the APS could solve that ridiculous situation

[cobalt dirge]

Doesn't really make it useless though does it, your team is there to push them out the range of aps or even break it if you're running a launcher

[cobalt dirge]

Honestly yeah, that's a reasonable change so they can't shut you down if you are chasing with a launcher

[grave trellis]

I see an heavy with rpg, aps down and easy kill too xD

[slim linden]

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[torn mason]

This season I feel like I'm getting shredded by lights with stun guns. I remember winning those 1v1s but Im losing every single one today. Did anything change with lights or is it a skill issue

[shell imp]

love gateway

[gleaming ridge]

Might just be bad luck. I feel like it's about 60-40 for me. If they catch me when I'm already distracted or are good at staying out of line of sight they got me.

[distant sparrow]

DAY 2 of sharing my updated feedback about the game until someone at embark sees it (feel free to share any brainstorming ideas): https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZXv-knucg7a3zmLnR6XdTihPMGaz1-7Rk8AwcpBApno/edit?usp=sharing

[torn mason]

The light players are evolving bro. They wiggle so fast now that I can't every hit them

[gleaming ridge]

For real. Make fun of me for using the flame thrower all you want, but I'm tired of Neo dodging my bullets and fileting me with a sword lmao.

[winged jay]

it’s not even lights with stun, it’s just their ability to move around so fast while doing so much damage

[gleaming ridge]

Yeah. It's fair cuz they also get deleted by a stiff breeze, but man a good Light is hard to deal with.

[winged jay]

that’s true, before i got in better lobbies i could kill lights even if they stunted me from behind

[torn mason]

I think the damage/mobility would be fine if invisible wasn't so strong. I think invis needs a soft rewor

[winged jay]

it’s just that invis isn’t visible enough when there’s so much chaos in the map

[tacit nacelle]

current aps can render an entite team useless...

[cobalt dirge]

3 heavys with grenade launchers? Sure, yappanese checks out

[tacit nacelle]

youre the one who proposed the idea of a full team using grenadenlaunchers already dumbass

[cobalt dirge]

How tf does it render an entire team useless ?? Are you stood purposely throwing grenades into an aps? Use your brain

[gleaming ridge]

If the whole team has that little variety, I feel like they deserve to be hard countered. APS is annoying, but I think it's fine as is. It has a limited range and low hp if you shoot/smack it.

[north chasm]

can anyone explain why they nerfed a shotgun nobody used at least that ik of

[cobalt dirge]

^^^