💣┇weapons-gadgets

[green kite]

cuz I think the sword is more fun??? Relying on the ddaggers backstab is cringe and a real noob strat imo

[barren star]

The new nerf makes them not that good…

[uneven remnant]

hello people

[green kite]

nope, really mid

[sharp berry]

big iron is over

[barren star]

Grenade launcher got a lot more balanced this update

[terse raptor]

For now

[restive plover]

@green kite weird language, cringe cause it's hard?
Noobs can't use back stabs

[green kite]

low dps and pretty high spread in comparion to the fact it's supposed to be long range, plus a scope that doesn't really have any zoom, despite being for longrange

[green kite]

no, cringe because anyone who has played spy on TF2 will have the easiest time of their life

[terse raptor]

What are you talking about rn

[barren star]

Famas

[green kite]

FAMAS

[restive plover]

@green kite nope,prove it then.
Use dash and dagger and see how it goes when u get shotgun or beam akm to the face

[barren star]

Also is it only me or is tasers range absolutely absurd?

[terse raptor]

Half of those things are incorrect if it's not your cup of tea that's understandable but it does have tight spread and high dps

[barren star]

That’s how it is as a melee…

[green kite]

I've literally played with the knife, I know what I'm saying

[restive plover]

@green kite I hope I can get the player u play with,it would be super easy

[barren star]

He doesn’t use knife…

[restive plover]

Read his previous comment

[barren star]

He said he uses sword 💀

[restive plover]

@barren star oh come on the most recent comment

[barren star]

Also he literally said knife wasn’t very good are you trying to prove his point or smthn?

[barren star]

Yes I know and again he said knife isn’t that’s good

[restive plover]

@barren star he said knife is too easy,read the comments

[barren star]

Well yeah cause you can just use cloak and jump people

[green kite]

It's damage per bullet is high, yes, but because it's bullet pr second is much lower than both the FCAR and AK, it results in lower DPS is both people hit equal amount of shots

[restive plover]

@green kite did u try to use akiba step?

[barren star]

Knife isn’t good on its own it’s what you use with it that matters

[green kite]

yeah, cloak plus dagger is what i was talking bout

[terse raptor]

It's also easier to hit shots with than it is with the fcar or akm

[green kite]

If you're decent with AK or FCAR you can hit shots pretty consistently

[restive plover]

@green kite no akiba step is different when u dash infront of enemies so u face their back and do a backstab

[green kite]

Okay, sure, dagger is hard if you try to do fancy bs, no shit

[terse raptor]

You can with akm or fcar but it's much easier to do with the famas

[restive plover]

@green kite https://youtu.be/ivqW8VHY9fM?si=gPtu1dThTBahO4w9

[barren star]

I pointed that how and said that’s why it’s easy to use to him

[green kite]

yeah, the skill floor is lower, but the moment you know how to do counter-recoil aiming on either FCAR or AK, the famas falls far behind

[barren star]

What are you even trying to argue at this point 💀

Is knife bad or is it good…

[green kite]

and since most players, especially in higher ranks, already do that, the famas is just pretty useless in ranked matches

[restive plover]

I am just showing akiba step he seems not to know this play style

[barren star]

Yeah cause it’s worse than cloak dagger💀

[restive plover]

Cloak and dagger is for noobs

[green kite]

I like it, burst rifles are my favorite type of gun in FPS games, but it's just so underwhelimng at this point that it's just not useable in ranked

[barren star]

Yeah but it’s easy which proves his point 💀

[restive plover]

I wasn't aware that he was specifically talking about cloak

[terse raptor]

Also the range on the famas wins over the akm or fcar any day

[barren star]

I literally stated that’s what he was talking about earlier

[green kite]

My brother in christ, using that as an argument for how dagger is hard is like showing the X-games to prove that riding a bike is difficult

[barren star]

Also he literally said if you know how to play spy it’s easy

[restive plover]

@green kite cloak and sword does more consistent damage then dagger so it's the easiest

@barren star I never played that game

[barren star]

And that’s why he uses sword 💀

[green kite]

well, I'm still getting perfectly lasered from 200+ meters away with AK's, so not really no

[ripe pebble]

in the training area you can data reshape the cashbox? is that possible in the actual game?

[barren star]

It’s in the name SPY and spy’s are usually invisible 💀

[errant junco]

Is anyone else unable to apply a reload animation to their AK? I've been trying for weeks to apply jackpot juggle and it won't stick when I leave the menu

[restive plover]

@green kite even with cloak u get beamed?

[barren star]

He’s talking about when he plays medium

[green kite]

I don't use cloak

[terse raptor]

Yes really yes most players can't Lazer from that far away and famas is better for peeking

[restive plover]

@barren star he didn't need to make the argument about things being so easy that it's cringe and for noobs

[green kite]

In plat they do tho...

[ripe pebble]

anybody knows an answer to this?

[barren star]

He didn’t argue it he just stated it

[terse raptor]

And is plat most players?

[barren star]

No you can’t last time I checked

[terse raptor]

No

[ripe pebble]

its weird, why can you do it in training then?

[green kite]

No, but they are the most consistent players of the game, together with gold ranked and upwards, and as such it would make sense to balance the weapon after the playerbase

[barren star]

Cause it’s not the real game and it’s weird

[restive plover]

@green kite fair enough,it's easy to hide and use teammates to sneak up on enemies I do the same,it's why melee is made for

[green kite]

I don't hide, I just evade and kill, literally how I be playing in plat

[barren star]

Real

[restive plover]

@barren star oh I guess I misread the situation

[terse raptor]

Peek shooting is also what the famas does better than the akm or fcar

[restive plover]

@green kite same

[green kite]

Baton plus the new dematerializer is so fun istg

[barren star]

I feel like baton got nerfed before season update

[green kite]

Yeah, but 90% of the time people can get away before they die, and then you're exposed

[barren star]

Cause the range on it feels so god damn low compared to a few weeks ago

[green kite]

In a game like this, where people are constantly moving, a weapon made for peeking is not that good

[barren star]

Just build a trench with goo gun 👍

[terse raptor]

In the right hands it is that good

[green kite]

It's all about constantly moving, so peeking isn't really viable

[pliant terrace]

Exaclty I’m wiping kids with it

[restive plover]

@green kite tactical waiting=camping it's the same thing said in a different way.
Hide,evade whatever sword isn't made for playing in the open, nothing wrong with that

[barren star]

Again goo gum tench in cash out room 👍

[green kite]

Literally haven't seen anyone in high ranks actually use it well

[barren star]

What are you even talking about…

[restive plover]

@barren star goo breaks on cash out now

[green kite]

Me when I get burned to a crisp because soemone threw a pyro at my googun trench

[barren star]

In cash out room not on cash out

[restive plover]

@barren star that comment about not hiding and evading

[barren star]

Trust they won’t know to do that

[green kite]

sounds like a skill issue, I be playing in plat with this strat and I'm doing well enough

[terse raptor]

So what just because you can't see something doesn't mean it doesn't exist

[barren star]

Sword is literally made to play in the open tho…

[restive plover]

@green kite isn't it too easy with sword!

[green kite]

Okay, but what rank are you?? Like, you're speaking as if you've already seen hundreds of people being goated with it

[green kite]

nah, I like the challenge

Like, I'm not hating on it, I love the famas, truth is just that it isn't that viable in ranked rn

[restive plover]

@barren star nah u have to avoid open areas and attack when they r distracted

[barren star]

I get plenty of kills in the open tho actually I get more in the open and help my team more

[terse raptor]

I haven't seen hundreds of players goated with it but I have seen a few (idk my rank but it wouldn't matter anyways since it matches you up with whoever no matter the rank) and are you struggling to consider that maybe people are good at using a certain weapon in a video game

[restive plover]

@barren star but u can't stay there for long unless Ur team mates distract them,150 health it's a not lot

[green kite]

it doesn't, it's skill based matchmaking

[barren star]

Well yeah you don’t wonna camp out in the open

[barren star]

He is right that if the famas is only good for peaking its dog shit though

[green kite]

ong

[barren star]

That’s like running 3 lights

You can get kills but it’s not useful for winning

[restive plover]

@green kite try to do akiba step it's fun and challenging

[green kite]

It's best for what the sniper doess, exact it's worse at it
only upside it has on it is the fact it's viable in mid and kinda close combat

[terse raptor]

It's not only good for peeking (got a flight to catch I won't be responding to anything)

[green kite]

uhmmm, nah
Don't wanna deal with getting good at too many weapons

[restive plover]

@green kite be is doing ranked using that play style https://youtu.be/WOWp4407OV0?si=lU1Pm0-ZssE7sS_6

[barren star]

Akiba step looks easy and not very fun

[restive plover]

@barren star try it!
See how it goes

[barren star]

It kinda defeats the fun of the game tho…

[green kite]

Best is FCAR or AKM

[restive plover]

@barren star nah at least see if h can even do it,try something new,it's fun

[grim fulcrum]

famas is good?

[green kite]

yup, they didn't really do any patches to them

[barren star]

I’m speaking quite literally it ruins the fun of the game

Fcar got range buff

[restive plover]

@barren star have u tried it?
Don't be judgy

[green kite]

not really, pretty mid but It's usable

[barren star]

No like that play style isn’t fun in this type of game

[shy hazel]

salamalama

[restive plover]

@barren star why not explain

[barren star]

Well for 1 you die instantly, 2 you have no destructive capability or utility 3 harder to get wins cause 0 utility which means less fun 4 less destruction means less fun 5 less hp means more deaths means less fun 6 it’s a play style that’s only good for going solo which makes it’s kinda useless and you die more

[icy torrent]

just checking in, to counter the antigrav 'nade we would have to use the glitch 'nade right? I can't think of anything else. I tried shooting but didn't seem to do anything. Neither did explosions

[green kite]

It's good only if you're lucky, have really good teammates that only go for support, or if you don't care about your teammates and winning at all

[green kite]

think so

[restive plover]

@barren star I see ur point,it's high risk high rewards and u have to know what battles to pick,but if easy after practice and a taser and tracking dart for utility and breach charges for explosive

U can almost one shot a heavy

[barren star]

Also another point is that killing is not all the fun in the game especially in the circumstances that you usually use dagger for kills in also tracking dart is not good utility and breach charge is dog shit for destruction but it is a good utility

[wispy marsh]

what to run for heavy?

[barren star]

Sledge or Lois is most fun def run dome shield and the rest is up to you

[restive plover]

@barren star u can avoid being caught off guard with tracking dart which is why u can avoid guns cause u have melee

[barren star]

I like to run goo gun with sledge goo grenades pyro grenades and dome shield (it’s a really fun loadout)

[barren star]

Tracking dart requires you to hit somebody and it only tracks that person…

Dagger is just not very fun 🤷

[restive plover]

@barren star skill needed u have sonar in the update for light and u can almost one shot heavy

[barren star]

Again killing in little fights before cash out isn’t what’s fun about the game…

[restive plover]

@barren star patienceeeee 🙌 is much needed in Ur life,try it and goodbye

[barren star]

What does this have to do with patience 💀

[mortal kiln]

famas doestn rly compare with the scar wit key and mouse

[restive plover]

@barren star to use the way of the knife brada 💀

@barren star this looks like fun or no https://youtu.be/80opvS2SGaY?si=BNqtaSqcuoDxigVb

He destroyed the game Devs with a pencil ✏️

[barren star]

the dagger requires less patience ngl

The dagger is all about going beserk on teams before cash out to wipe them

[restive plover]

U need a lot of accuracy ✏️

[barren star]

you dont really need accuracy especially with the auto aim feature...

[restive plover]

@barren star it works against u because of the auto aim u tend to avoid the back side hit box for back stabs,u never touched the dagger I can tell

[barren star]

yeah Ive never touched it cause its not fun to play I dont need to play it to figure that out

[restive plover]

@barren star https://youtu.be/_Az_4-pPqXc?si=eJfoE2vb8uB2fhct

[hearty zinc]

The m60 pretty decent in the new mode

[placid meteor]

I believe it can be destroyed i read it the patch notes

[graceful socket]

can i use data reshaper on aps

[placid meteor]

I believe so

[ocean rivet]

What prob the most op item added in this upd

[mortal kiln]

dematerializer, IMO all the new guns get beat by the guns that were alrdy in

[ocean rivet]

Ok

However the new light pistol is pretty good

[mortal kiln]

but im a big believer in heal beam so im never going to use the dematerializer, yea ive tried the pistol but i main medium and when on light i use shotgun or sword

[lyric junco]

hey so what is the best build for light and mid for a duo

[hollow idol]

mine is 10 times worse than a nade

[terse raptor]

How can you say that If you have never used it

[violet sleet]

so whats the best AR for med now, still the fcar?

[barren star]

yeah but it has a glitch item already

[terse raptor]

FAAFO

[barren star]

because of all the things ive watched about it allowing me to understand its playstyle and understand its not really as fun as other builds

[terse raptor]

That's not the same you have no say until you have tried it

[barren star]

dagger is one of the things that you can understand if youve used something similiar and watched a lot about it

[terse raptor]

No it really isn't

[barren star]

yes it very much is...

[terse raptor]

You are very much wrong

[hollow idol]

yeah but why 2 items from med is on light rn? why dont switch glitch items between them

[barren star]

no im very much not

[barren star]

idk the gadget changes were kind of an L

[terse raptor]

I'm sorry but you are if you can't accept that it's your problem

[barren star]

I can understand it being fun for some people but those are the few not the many

[strange trout]

Does power shift grant cash towards the 50m trophy?

[hollow idol]

same

[terse raptor]

That's not what you're wrong about it is not one of those things that you get when you watch a video and have used something similar in the past

[barren star]

it defenitely is and you cant prove me wrong because its not some special or unique playstyle and there a few other items with similiar playstyles

[terse raptor]

Well it is unique and if you had used it in the past you would know that

[barren star]

then tell me how its unique to sword or to sledge hammer and other melee playstyles...

[terse raptor]

It's a more stealthy weapon you need to be careful and be the first to strike you need to pick when to strike well and where to strike and you will succeed but if you mess up timing or location you die other melee playstyles just let you rush in and swing away without much punishment

[barren star]

you just described my understanding of it...

[robust sundial]

How?

[mortal kiln]

is the gateway the move for shotgun taser players??

[barren star]

a lot were nerfed or just removed from the character in general and I just thought it was unnecessary

[terse raptor]

Then you described your understanding of it to me poorly

[barren star]

well I never really described it...

[robust sundial]

Light got Sonar and tracking dart to increase its scouting capabilities
C4 got nerfed because of the Nukes
Mediums Defib is still an Okay pick, its not gutted into the ground

[barren star]

I miss sonar grenade on medium and the nuke nerf was a little to much since it nerfs other stuff to

[violet sleet]

thoughts on the FAMAS, ass or decent?

[barren star]

I didnt say they were garbage they were just KIND OF an L

[terse raptor]

When you described it as a weapon that you understand if you just watch a video and use something similar and that was a poor description

[robust sundial]

Me personally, having these gadgets gave me some tools to assist my team

so I think its a W

[barren star]

yeah but now light has like everything

and light is still kinda mid...

[robust sundial]

Do you just not like having 150hp?

[lethal viper]

its ok

[barren star]

yeah but also it lacks actual utility on the cashout

besides c4

[robust sundial]

Gas,Sonars,Breach ,Pyro,Stungun

[barren star]

sonar isnt very good for cashout as you can kinda tell where they are, stun gun can only get one person and in the cashout room its kinda useless, gas is meh, same with pyro its good for canceling out gas but not much else

[robust sundial]

Stun gun literally can save a game in the final 10 seconds

[barren star]

yeah but thats if youre not defending

[robust sundial]

what?

[barren star]

also the spread on the guns in light are crazy

[robust sundial]

Bro the V9s & Xp is not bad with spread

[barren star]

yeah but they are really close range

[robust sundial]

like you must be hip firing

[barren star]

I hip fired on the sniper and stopped hipfire cause that shot practically hit me the spread was so bad

[restive plover]

Use the lh1.

[manic palm]

Wtf is this famas ttk

[robust sundial]

Ngl tried the Famas, how do you guys feel about it? Cause I really don't know

[wanton cosmos]

a

[mortal kiln]

me as a keyboard and mouse player am not going to use it, the fcar and or akm is a lot better if you can control the recoil IMO

[woeful agate]

really easy to use but not as effective as the fcar/ak

[restive plover]

@terse raptor u use akiba step?

[terse raptor]

No I use cloak for the more tactical feel

[hushed crater]

whats the beat medium build with the new meta

[terse raptor]

We don't know yet so faafo

[split bolt]

Is the Lewis gun still good?

[terse raptor]

Yea

[gray vapor]

the great panda

[restive plover]

@terse raptor use sonar to see where people r then vanishing bomb for invis and back stabs one guy and if his team mate spot u already have ur knife charged for a backstab and dash from his front side to his back side and do a backstab mid dash.
The trick is that there is a slight delay in dashing so after the dash animation starts u look at the backside of enemy behind u for a back stab.

[terse raptor]

I actually think that might be the build I need (btw a fun fashion to run is suit and make the face look like John wick and run the pencil skin)

[restive plover]

@terse raptor look at this guy and how successful he is at ranked using dagger,this is how to guide dashhttps://youtu.be/GVaLsE_fbyk?si=l2gb7pbVDHOOuNzf

[terse raptor]

The build is unfortunately kinda hard to use on controller though

[restive plover]

@terse raptor increase sensitivity for this build as u won't be steady aiming and have fun,u have to look behind u quick doing backstabs

He uses a controller too in the vid

[terse raptor]

Ok thx good luck the arena contestant o7

I wonder how portal names would do as a quick escape or as a trap for enemies with the Dagger build

[spice panther]

is the defib still good?

[restive plover]

@terse raptor someone already made a vid on pencil and John wick buildhttps://youtu.be/80opvS2SGaY?si=io_T8quyAFNDLklo

[terse raptor]

Oh, I like to make existing characters from movie ect in video games it's nice to see others doing it as well

[restive plover]

@terse raptor he was actually playing with the game Devs was destroying them with dash and dagger,try the build

[terse raptor]

Ok I will as soon as the internet comes back up for me

[mortal kiln]

ofc

[restive plover]

@terse raptor this one is really good and the music sync up with enemies killshttps://youtu.be/ivqW8VHY9fM?si=7e3LBjhA5y7aCwOt

[terse raptor]

Thx

[restive plover]

@terse raptor I was actually confused why my dashes go in crazy direction and I can't line up the backstabs I played like the dash was instant but there is a slight delay,don't try to do backstabs by aiming back and dashing at the same time,just after the dash animation starts aim the backstab.

[terse raptor]

Thanks for the tips I am looking forward to trying the build

[prime dagger]

[astral idol]

The new shotgun is very meh, and I wish they gave the famas to the heavy. That is all.

[terse raptor]

Famas belongs with the mediums tho

[fickle charm]

Why does the cube have limited duration???????? Its so weak, atleast make it infinite

[terse raptor]

Cube?

[fickle charm]

anti grav cube

[runic hemlock]

For the R.357: Increased damage falloff modifier at max range from 33% to 45%
This was a buff, right?

[restive plover]

Yes.

[terse raptor]

It let's you peek at unexpected angles

[terse raptor]

I thought it was nerfing it's range I'm stupid

[runic hemlock]

I don't think you are stupid.. I'm honestly not sure if it is a nerf or buff

[golden adder]

Instead of it doing 33% of its normal damage at max range it now does 45% of its total.

[fickle charm]

im starting to understand the way of the cube

[solar cove]

Another heavy nerf

[fickle charm]

when a cashout drops 3 floors you can now make it float back up to create chaos

[solar cove]

Why does embark keep doing this

[terse raptor]

Because people whine about heavy when in reality it's just that light sucks

[terse raptor]

Thx

[quick rain]

anyone feel fcar feels much more off?

[terse raptor]

No still op

[steady fable]

yup

[torn mason]

People in the all chat are shitting on the cube but i think it’s amazing. Cant believe people aren’t seeing the potential with it

[terse raptor]

I just want to swim in air

[fickle charm]

Yeah, first game I was like wtf do I even use this for. Then next game I floated a cashout up through a hole and proceeded to close the hole with goo. ez win

[charred ether]

.

[quiet forum]

lvling up

[hollow parrot]

mp5 on top

[proud stone]

please get rid of rpg's, the heavy class already has that auto shotgun (that should be nerfed) why is heavy the only class with a secondary. and that autoshotgun needs a big nerf. 3 tapped on medium. they blow on lights. at least lower the range

[sacred knot]

Is light strong now?

[hollow parrot]

yes if ur good

fun game tho right

if ur a light player u need the glich nad

[orchid light]

k23, yay or nay?

[rugged basin]

yo

[hollow parrot]

need

[ocean lava]

The fmasa feels great

[slow root]

Does the grenade launcher count for the grenade damage contract?

[ocean lava]

Handles pretty well but the damage drop off is kinda crazy

Also dose anyone know how to get the different colors of the military skin cause I see that all over the place

[fluid flame]

I think they are for the ps+ thing like the volpe weapok skins were

[chrome ember]

anyone use the new M60? hoes does it compare to the Lewis?

[ocean lava]

The recoil is much more noticeable on the Lewis than the m60

[marble sage]

Famas is mid unfortunately:/

[sacred finch]

yeah famas is mid, i expected more

[proven echo]

Hi, I was wondering if they could add secret reload animations like from bf4 1 and hardline

[slim linden]

+ WEAPON INFO COLLECTED!
More stats and the other weapons can be found by visiting the link in the image or my bio!

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/995485555884298320/1218026959389327410/image_7.png?ex=66062b00&is=65f3b600&hm=2d351572a0897a5ac5ee598cd594b07a4dad70664d62a0b9007b184b692ebbc3&

[wide locust]

it wouldn't be secret if they told us would it

[proven echo]

True but it would be nice to see some in the future but ig they could add more animations

[sullen mirage]

just tested it, it feels aigth tbh, i still think the smg migth be the best choice

[prime wyvern]

can the gateway be broken or glitched during open or unopen state?

[sullen mirage]

i doubt it, even glitch wont do anything about it

[grave remnant]

So its a buff?

[fickle charm]

OK I officially love the cube. Just seeing all the enemies look at their cashout getting abducted is hilarious

[torn mason]

Brilliant

[stray thorn]

Guys when did the sonar grenade get added to lights?

[wispy marsh]

heavy util?

[soft juniper]

start of season 2 Tracking dart went over to lights too and motion sensor went to heavy Medium is now the class without a recon type ability

hopnestly because of all this change up I use to have only 1 build for light but now I might have to make 2 and have one be a recon Style

[midnight mango]

Give famas Acog or comp aimpoint

[zinc spear]

Famas is so... average

[restive plover]

Hammer should be put into gadgets

[final quail]

FAMAS feels... Fine. It's not better than the AKM or FCAR but it's not much worse either.

New shotgun is unusable.

[mellow lodge]

new pistol is close to unuasble imo as well

[final quail]

It’s pretty bad.

[mellow lodge]

i am shocked how bad the shotgun is though

[final quail]

It has almost identical stats to the new rifle, but has worse range, recoil, mag size and hip fire.

[mellow lodge]

yes does more damage for some reason

[final quail]

It’s actually the same. 24 x 3

At least in my testing it looks like that

[mellow lodge]

heavy is 6 burst for ar

[final quail]

It’s a shame how bad the shotgun is

It’s genuinely unusable in its current state. I think it’s a strong contender for the worst gun in the game.

[mellow lodge]

whats close to being as bad?

[final quail]

Dagger

[mellow lodge]

dagger is fun though

[final quail]

I don’t disagree

[mellow lodge]

shotgun isn't good or fun

[final quail]

But it’s arguably the worst weapon light has from a power level perspective

The shotgun is just… Godawful.

[valid girder]

Guys is there a bug on console ??? Bc I CAN'T SWITCH MY WEAPON WITH TRIANGLE. OR RELOAD CANCEL OR DROP OBJET WHY???? SINCE the update its bugging my setting are not change to. Does that happens to someone to ?

[mellow lodge]

i know about the cancel drop not working

as i am struggling with it as well just gotta click aim button

[valid girder]

@mellow lodge bc even if a team mate dies I have to use R2 to throw it, can can't drop it

[mellow lodge]

use the aim button to drop them, has been working for me

[mortal kiln]

tragic, i like the shotty

[valid girder]

Is so annoying they need to fix it

[mellow lodge]

3 shot medium 4 shot heavy is so bad, i reckon if they make it deal headshot damage it could be fixed

[final quail]

It doesn’t need headshot damage, it needs accuracy

[mellow lodge]

yeah thats also bad on it

[valid girder]

Do they know about this issue ?

[mellow lodge]

i'm just very disappointed about the new weapons entirely

none of them are good compared to the other weapons imo, especially the shotgun and pistol

[mortal kiln]

did the AKM get a nerf??

[valid girder]

Yeah and the shotgun is really bad

[mellow lodge]

no idea sorry legend, and yes @mortal kiln akm got a nerf (have this as one message because slow mode)

[proud pendant]

New guns haven’t been hitting tbh

[nova burrow]

so i havent played the new season.. whats the meta now class/weapon/gear ? please and thank you 🙂

[valid girder]

😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[mellow lodge]

nothing changed, meta still the same

[mortal kiln]

use same weapons, try out the special for medium and gadgets for both light and heavy

[mellow lodge]

from whats i've seen at least

[mortal kiln]

if ur a light main using shotgun and cloak use the gateway

[reef sage]

It did. FCAR got a little nerf as well but the revolver was buffed a bit. For heavy Lewis gun was nerfed but M60've got a buff

[stray thorn]

I am honestly loving this new change it fits lights alot better

[soft juniper]

Honestly I think Tracking dart would have been enough and keep sonar on medium

[sweet valve]

Why not just put sonar on both Medium and Light?

Why does one class have to be nerfed in order to buff a different class...

[ebon light]

Is it just me or KS-23 has some inherent inaccuracy even when ADSing? Tried practising aim with it in the range, at very long range it misses 1 or 2 shots per mag even when both me and the target is standing still

Also someone said something about headshot damage, but it was weird to me because shotguns in this game do not have headshot damage and it didn’t even when I tested it

[nova burrow]

whats the meta for heavys atm?

[fickle charm]

Hammer

[ebon light]

I think they did it to make Light the hunter-tracker class, like finding and picking off targets one by one.

But tbh I'd rather they gave Lights the zipline instead of the sonar grenade, as a medium main I've really been missing it as a proper utility tool, even more so considering the fact that most lights do not have the team coordination to use the sonar grenade anyways, so it might as well be removed from the game from everyone's perspective.

[mellow lodge]

lewis gun

[nova burrow]

yo what rank were you last season?

[mellow lodge]

didn't play ranked, i just see other peoples discussions

[nova burrow]

aight so anyone that played rank knows what meta is right now? just curious.. i was diamond 1

[obsidian island]

Lewis gun was basically only viable heavy weapon in ranked last season, auto shotty second, but it lack the range to be as oppressive, broken close to mid though

[paper crown]

Hammer go bonk

[ocean lava]

Honestly the new pistol is pretty good though the a damage buff would be needed but aside from that just use dashes with it for the best effect with it as the hip fire is immaculate

[sweet valve]

My main point is that I don't really care what they give to Light, so long as they don't remove it from Medium.

Buffs for one class shouldn't require nerfs to another.

If they keep changing the classes I enjoy playing, I'm not going to suddenly start playing the classes they buffed instead... I'll just stop playing the game.

(and just to clarify, I'm not talking about balance changes etc.)

[ebon light]

It's true that I've been missing the sonar grenade, but for now I keep other utilities in place like aps turret and goo grenades. I do agree that they didn’t have to remove sonar grenades for us, letting both lights and mediums use sonar wouldn’t mean the end of the world after all. It's not like multiple classes can't use the same gear, for example Gas & Frag Grenades

[crude venture]

Has the AA of the controller been removed?You don't want controller players to play your game?The optimization of the controller is still so poor

[low gale]

https://tenor.com/view/telepurte-pehpehpeh-gif-1382755906397330167

[quartz estuary]

._.

[white thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/zyzz-zyzz-aim-assist-zyzz-aa-zyzz-controller-zyzz-controller-opinion-gif-23172064

[frank iron]

Anyone else thinks the gas radius should get reduce?

[topaz sparrow]

Is it just me or new weapons are kinda meh?

[olive lark]

yea ithink so too

The burst fire one is ass

[mellow lodge]

which one?

as there is the pistol and the famas

[olive lark]

Didnt try the pistol actually

dont play light

[mellow lodge]

the famas is good at long range if you hit every single shot

[olive lark]

Thats usually not the case with burst weapons tho 😦

[mellow lodge]

yeah but it has like no damage drop off, so if you are insane enemies get deleted at range

but like medium to close the other ar's are still better

[crimson matrix]

i still like the AK

[olive lark]

recoils weird

[crimson matrix]

Some one tried the new shotty from heavy ?

[proud stone]

Remove rpg. Nerf heavy auto shotgun

[steady wave]

anyone think new weapon 93r(new pistol for light) is TRASH. LOW DMG and INSANELY HARD TO AIM.

I tried the new pistol and it is just terriable

[lunar vessel]

took 2 mags to kill a turrent

[cunning prairie]

nerf the famas

[mellow lodge]

it does not need a nerf at all

[cunning prairie]

the thing is a light build killer

[hallow leaf]

everything is

[cunning prairie]

or the dude that used it was getting headshots every single time he fired off

[woven notch]

💀

[north chasm]

its garbage

[north chasm]

im had no issues at all?

yes the weapon dmg is low buts its a pistol

[mellow lodge]

says that to the v9s

[north chasm]

thats a smg

[grave trellis]

He means the old semi pistol

[north chasm]

o

i didn't like that thing low fire rate
prob why i like the new pistol

[mellow lodge]

no the new pistol is ass

the old semy pistol has fastest ttk i believe

[north chasm]

then why can i kill lights and mediums with it lol

heavys are a challenge yes

[mellow lodge]

not as good trigger finger

[north chasm]

i use a controller lol

[mellow lodge]

same i was doing great with it

[north chasm]

now ill switch to the xp if theres like 3 or more heavys

kinda curious what they will buff and nerf next update

[mellow lodge]

they need to buff the pistol, and shotgun

[north chasm]

ye kinda needs to kill heavys

ye more fire rate for the shotgun be nice

[mellow lodge]

pistol needs a higher ttk, just headshot only a medium and couldn't kill him before he capped 💀

[hallow leaf]

if you are talking about the light one then doesnt light also have stun gun?? why not use that to stop the cap??

[north chasm]

i mean ur gonna die to a heavy so

[merry holly]

GET RID OF SNIPERS

[mellow lodge]

i don't like stun gun anymore, i just feel dirty using it 😔

[hallow leaf]

tbh it needs removed

[mellow lodge]

yeah it is just a free kill button

[quartz void]

Light seems so weak as a class that it needs the stun gun for objective pressure

[mellow lodge]

yeah but it also comes with the problem of cloak stun is mostly instant death to anyone

[cunning prairie]

any thoughts on the gateway gadget?

[mellow lodge]

started using it, and it's great to escape when low on health or are getting attack by 3 medium turrets

[cunning prairie]

alr

[neat apex]

what are your thoughts about the new heavy shotgun

[mellow lodge]

very bad, as low accuracy and low damage imo

[neat apex]

yeah i thought the accuracy would be a lot better on it

[cunning prairie]

idk why they gave the heavy class ANOTHER shotgun

[mellow lodge]

idk why the gave heavy a shotgun that can't aim in

[cunning prairie]

lol

[neat apex]

the drop off and projctile speed are bad too

[cunning prairie]

last minute decision maybe?

[neat apex]

feels like heavy needed a decent range weapon

[cunning prairie]

agreed

[neat apex]

idk how they changed the lewis spread but im assuming its a nerf too

[mellow lodge]

the one heavy 40m away killing me with the lewis 😭

[cunning prairie]

feels that way with the mp5 for the light

[mellow lodge]

don't think the xp had anything changed

[cunning prairie]

the spread isnt as tight as it was

[neat apex]

did heavy get any buffs actually in the last 5 patches

[hallow leaf]

they dont need any

[cunning prairie]

350 health is its buff

[mellow lodge]

i think turret needs a nerf, especially in the new gamemode

[cunning prairie]

i did notice that too

[mellow lodge]

5 turrets on objective is too many

[cunning prairie]

lol fr

[neat apex]

i mean yeah heavy was strong but after all these nerf it just feels not worth to play

[cunning prairie]

any thoughts on being able to cook frag grenades?

[neat apex]

it was a needed change tbf

[cunning prairie]

eh

[hallow leaf]

what you mean the nukes?

[mellow lodge]

i'm so glad nukes are gone

[neat apex]

no those were cancer thank god they got removed

[hallow leaf]

if you are upset about nukes getting a NEEDED nerf then get over it

[cunning prairie]

same

[mellow lodge]

i felt so bad at the game when i got nuked constantly

[neat apex]

best decision to remove them

even as a heavy main i didn't use them because it felt disgusting

[quartz void]

I haven't been struggling getting kills when stunned

[mellow lodge]

yeah a lot of the guns in this game have insane hipfire

but the ability to guarantee headshots will kill quickly most of the time

[hallow leaf]

tbh if they gave c4 2 charges again and just removed its player damage it would be better then it is now

[mellow lodge]

or reduce player damage

[sinful tide]

to be honest instead of a stun gun, there should be trap, that slow people caught in it, and not just disable everthing like the stun gun

[hallow leaf]

idk why they removed a charge, should have just removed it and gave heavy a breach charge, its now the same as a breach just with a different name

[sinful tide]

dashing swords light are a pain, i dont think melee should exist with such high dmg

[hallow leaf]

imo those are more balanced then the fucking rpg

[sinful tide]

idont know about rpgs , not have encountered them much as i have these lil invis and dashing sword demons

especially invis u taking a fight with other team and out of nowhere a fcking invis sword comes from behind and 2 swings and we are dead

[cunning bolt]

Heavy players, what are you guys running instead of C4? Or you still think C4 is fine?

[fickle radish]

Trying the new heavy antigravity gadget

[cunning bolt]

Are you enjoying it? I didn't find much use for it

[fickle radish]

Yeah its viable imo, but I don't know if it would be viable in ranked or just fun in quick play. Instead of it I should try Piro mines or barricades

[noble minnow]

its a gadget you can put in reserve for when you find the right time imo

[golden adder]

I always used c4 for breaching walls and ceilings. Having one is a waste now.

Explosives canisters do the same thing, and medium’s dematerializer does the job of breaching better which I hate.

[hallow leaf]

thats why i think they should give it 2 charges back and just remove its player damage and make one charge break walls

[lapis lotus]

barricades rpg dome

[cunning bolt]

Yeah, that's what I used it for a lot of the time, now it's just meh. I have been using pyro grenades to counter gás, counter goo and to zone control but not sure yet

Cause it also feels a bit meh, having only 1 charge

[hallow leaf]

you can use mines to break walls as well, use 2 explosive mines and shoot them

[cunning bolt]

Ye, maybe I will try that. That's something I used before

[golden adder]

I think a fair tradeoff for C4 is to cap the damage to ~110 when you throw down two in one spot or even on throwable objects.

That would’ve been the right fix for nukes too.

Breach charge would be way better with light playstyle if it could be detonated the instant it made contact with a surface and only did player damage on the other side of the wall.

[pure pewter]

The Ks-23 is just so terribly inconsistent. I either slap 120 meatshots or just whiff 6 rounds in a row.

[merry holly]

GET RID OF SNIPERS

[arctic dagger]

Is it just me or is the new ar broken against light builds???

I'm using rn and I have a 39 kill game so far

[sinful tide]

why though its very fcking weak,ttk is very high on that bolt action. hipfire is nonexistent, they are a threat from only far away and that is also very situational

according to map layout

[floral glen]

Sword needs a massive net or to just get removed

[sinful tide]

more to the get removed side

[floral glen]

Ye

[terse dagger]

i dont rely run into many sword users but i get what you mena

[floral glen]

Invisible sword is so annoying

It just removes all enjoyment from this game for me

[sinful tide]

takes allthe fun away taking blow with a enemy while we both enjoying taking shots, n then a lil bitch ass melee just swings 2 time out of nowhere

[floral glen]

THAT JUST HAPPENED TO ME

[sinful tide]

just happened! man this happens every time

[floral glen]

Fr

[sinful tide]

if i wanted to play melee battles i would play naraka

[ember stirrup]

As a dashing sword player I heavily agree, also this nuke/C4 nerf was long time coming, lights only had 1 breach charge afterall

[ember stirrup]

Agreed fuck those bitchs

Dash all the way

[sinful tide]

and this game not having textchat is total stupid

[ember stirrup]

Yeah...

I'm confused why they haven't added it yet

[floral glen]

Takes too long

[sinful tide]

cause i have yet to meet a player that utilize voicechat

and most of us play with randoms, so no teamwork on gadget management

or enemy priority call

[floral glen]

I just don't play if none of my friends are

[ember stirrup]

F

[floral glen]

Cause solo queuing is a nightmare

[sinful tide]

solo queue dont bother me at all, cause of apex, but that game have better pings and textchat in case information is required

this is just unga bunga whatever goes

[floral glen]

I haven't played apex in like 5 years

[sinful tide]

Apex have changed massively on the core mechanincs around armor and loot luck

[floral glen]

Isn't it really sweaty tho?

[sinful tide]

and perk system, pretty good changes, its fun, but yeah cheaters do take the fun away but hey theres no end tothem

[sinful tide]

well sure, depends on lobby to lobby but i like engagements, the thril apex gives me is just different

[terse dagger]

what do you guys thinkl on the new defib nerf?

[golden adder]

Slap on the wrist, still a must pick

[terse dagger]

lol yh

[strange parrot]

Any dagger tips?

[scenic brook]

THE NEW MAP IS HORRIBLE

[noble flare]

it’s so good what r u talking about

[terse dagger]

yo

[spring oriole]

Any recommendations on using the auto shotty on heavy? I feel like I can't hit shit with it. Do you hipfire or ads with this thing? Tap fire or hold and just try and track the enemy?

[next mauve]

Personally, I never aim cause spreads the same no matter what and usually I'll tap fire for any kinda range but at close its hold

Also imo the iron sights are dog

[night path]

personally, i think the Dematerializer should've been given to H and the anti-gravity cube should've been given to M

[next mauve]

The new maps amazing, only downside for me is a the fact I suffer from migraines and the colors for some reason worsens my headache

[spring oriole]

Thanks! I'll try just tapping more carefully

[next mauve]

Np, it's one of those guns where at first I hated it but after about 3-4 hours of just using it and nothing else it's now one of my favorites

[next mauve]

It does seem more like a heavy thing, but let's ask which special are u removing from heavy to give it to them? Also what are you gonna replace recon with?

[golden adder]

Defib

[next mauve]

Dematerializer isn't a gadget, but at the same time if u decided to convert defib then it would be absolutely obsolete compared to heal beam unless u made it instant and revive at full health

[night path]

Good question: goo gun. I understand it'd make more sense to keep it w the H but Charge N' Slam isnt always useful.It leaves you wide open for any good players to pop you from medium-long range. H needs something like the dematerializer for the times your teammate(s) are down and out and you as a H need an easy escape route.

Plus, we're slow and need something better for rotation

[next mauve]

I mean u kinda just defined what most heavies use the mesh for, can't name the last time I seen a random heavy use the shield as anything other than a "Hey I'm low let's just put this up and back away slowly"

[spring oriole]

That's a fundamental balance issue though. Heavy is not supposed to be able to escape easy because he's so strong at securing a position and is harder to kill with the higher hp.

[night path]

tbh, thats a pretty fair point

[spring oriole]

I use it to shield my teammates while they take fight and support a push or retreat all the time.

[next mauve]

Ima be 💯, I main heavy, dematerial imo wouldn't work as well if u want a back out option u got barricades, dome, mesh, goo nade, and flash bangs. If u want an escape route you have c4 and rpg

[next mauve]

I'm not saying everyone doesn't just a majority

Dematerialize seems to be more of an engagement or a trap option or a tool to allow your team to force the enemy to use resources.

[mortal kiln]

yuhh

[spring oriole]

It's strength is in the ability to close it at will. The plays you can make with it are insane.
Open a wall shoot a bit, close it. Suddenly the enemy can't play around that wall anymore and you're in control with peakers advantage.

[golden adder]

Demat doesn’t belong on a class that does everything whose weakness used to be destruction.

[next mauve]

Yea, see I think mediums were so meta more so cause the range they have, the ability to sustain a whole team by themselves, gain info, and extend fights. With there sustain and extension of a fight having been nerfed by the perfect of defib and them being given the option to be a more versatile fighter or be a healer they're much weaker. Aswell as that their ability to info gather has been pushed off a cliff

[next mauve]

Like I was saying medium now isn't even close to season 1 medium. You have a choice now in special; combat or sustain. All the Assault rifles were nerfed, the ability to gain free info was removed while the ability to extend fights was majorly weakened. And medium now counters medium. Data beats turret

[golden adder]

Medium is even better than in S1. Its biggest competition was nerfed significantly all the while medium’s most problematic tools barely received a slap on the wrist.

[next mauve]

Mediums most problematic tools were recycled; defib nerfed, ARs nerfed, recon removed, other info giving abilities removed. They were much more of a work horse in season 1 and weren't just a jack of all trades but instead a Chad of all trades cause they did it all. Now it's mode chooses rather then all in one. Turret and aps got nerfed with the addition to data reshaper so now there's 2 hard counters for turret rather then just glitch. Info has now been given to light making light better at stalking and killing which makes medium more susceptible. Jump pad revieved a minor nerf that's enough to feel still hurting mobility and the fact is you basically have to choose support or aggressive on your specials when the aggressive playstyle was reworked while support was directly nerfed

Dematerial has way more potential then recon did (especially nerfed recon) but at the same time the bottom of the barrel would use recon much more effectively then dematerial. Also fcar and akm were better last season. Famas is as far as I've heard and felt just a worse version of the two

I think the sum of what I'm saying s2 diamond medium>s1 diamond medium. Average s2 medium<average s1 medium

Also I'm curious what u take as it's competition being heavily nerfed. Heavy is a tank why does the most health need to most damage output. The fact heavy could one shot or get a free 140dmg off on anyone before they even looked is crazy. Dome did get its duration nerfed but if someone was shooting at it before vs now it's gonna last the same amount of time. And shield I think it got buffed in some category and nerfed in others and light only got buffed in almost every way

[golden adder]

Pre-recon nerf medium was game breaking, sure. But medium at the Start of S2 gaps the other classes way more than at the end of S1.

A class countering itself doesn’t make the class worse, it gives you even more reason to run it rather than waste a light slot. And now heavy has less reason to be run because medium removes walls better with a busted new spec to replace the old one.

Like I said, medium nerfs were all slaps on the wrist. Jump pad functions the same, defib is barely any worse and still S-tier, Fcar got a very minor damage reduction at max range.

[golden adder]

I can’t think of anywhere heavy is overall better than it was in S1. M60 was buffed, but it’s not as good as S1 Lewis.

[next mauve]

Lewis gun is nearly the same minus a few recoil changes, the shotgun (s1 shotty) still as good as ever, flame thrower still has its uses the new shotgun has a ton of potential. I don't think the nerfs to heavy really change too much to why heavy is still great. Like I said I agree heavy shouldn't be the bulkiest and the highest damage potential class. Heavy has way more self sustain then medium or light. Medium has the highest team sustain (with heavy not too far behind) and damage potential. Light has the highest direct damage and the ability to gather info the best

I do think grapple hook was indirectly nerfed by the addition of gateway

Now allow me clarify, I'm no pro by any means this is all personal opinion

[golden adder]

Heavy with more recoil on Lewis is a huge blow to its ability to compete with a medium’s AR’s. If we didn’t get a new map that’s 90% open and Vegas sandstorm wasn’t back it wouldn’t be as miserable.

The rest of heavy’s guns are much shorter range. Also new shotgun is C-tier at best.

I’m surprised light grapple didn’t get an extra charge.

[next mauve]

I dont disagree but heavy feels more intended for close

[sullen hazel]

all i want is tracker dart back on medium pls embark

[golden adder]

I don’t think heavy should have a long range gun like S1 Lewis, but while Medium’s AR’s are what they are, it’s a bad experience having no answer.@next mauve

[haughty zinc]

I feel like the heavies shotgun is balanced as it is. if you hit your shot on someone at close range- medium range it hits really hard. the slow reload time and having to predict your shots is what makes it balanced. moving side to side or just moving around a heavy using it at medium range is enough to win the fight against them. I feel like the range it does damage at needs a slight nerf though cause my friend that used it was able to snipe people with it from a good distance away

[next mauve]

Haven't tried the fcar since the update but it got a recoil nerf too no?

[sinful tide]

oh it still shreds

i see no change

[next mauve]

Someone tell me the damage per bullet for the m60 and the lewis

[haughty zinc]

as a light main I can't tell a difference even from far range

[next mauve]

If I remember correctly is 24 to the body from an fcar

[haughty zinc]

I still get destroyed

[golden adder]

Nope. Just slightly more falloff

67% of max damage to 55%

[next mauve]

Idk if it's cause everyone's using the new guns but I definitely haven't been killed by the fcar even a 1/4 the amount of times as usual

[whole fulcrum]

I love the guitar and I don't care!#!! I love bashing shizzz up, so much fun.... destroy destroy

[haughty zinc]

people are still trying out the famas I'll give it about 2 weeks before fcar is rampant again

[whole fulcrum]

oooh fcar spam! and turret spam! ande explosive mine spam!!!!!! and a nd a nd and.....

[next mauve]

Bros on that good shit

[night fractal]

will go for games here

[next mauve]

See, I don't play medium too much but I love the famas, gives me hemlock vibes (with less accuracy at range)

[haughty zinc]

I haven't got a chance to use famas since I unlocked everything else first, I like burst weapons as they require some skill to use and they feel rewarding to kill with. while xp is definitely more consistent and better than the new pistol, I have a lot more fun using the pistol than xp

[wise hinge]

b93 is pretty fun

[haughty zinc]

idk the names of the weapons 🥲 which one is that

[next mauve]

The pistols fun but God is it weak

[haughty zinc]

it needs a slight buff in damage but everything else is decent

[restive plover]

The KS-23 deals no headshot damage.

[haughty zinc]

shotguns aren't supposed to

if one is then it's a bug

[golden adder]

It’s a projectile slug, definitely worthy of headshot damage

[haughty zinc]

the headshot multiplier would need to be really low then

plus people would complain that it's the only shotgun with a headshot multiplier

[next mauve]

If a rifle can hit a headshot a slug shotgun should be able to aswell

[haughty zinc]

it's to balance them cause shotguns are already supposed to do massive damage

[next mauve]

And if we're gonna say that it would be op even a 1.2× dmg multiplier 1 hs 1 ms a medium

[golden adder]

Shotgun =/= no headshots
Spread = no headshots

[wise hinge]

new shootgun is very bad

[next mauve]

Ever played destiny? Chaperone duality both good guns (shotguns are great) that ate pretty well balanced but hard to beat when someone's mastered it

Mind u a hs can 1 shot from those in that I think a 1.2×-1.4× hs multiplier wouldn't 1 shot a medium or heavy but be pretty effective for the gun from a balance perspective

[haughty zinc]

you do realize that if it got a headshot multiplier then it would make it one shot lights if the multiplier wasn't low enough?( talking about new heavy shotgun)

[next mauve]

If double barrel can one shot a light and the medium shotgun can two tap a medium I don't see how that isn't balanced. Cause it wouldn't be every shot, it's harder to hit (mobility and size) so I think it'd be fair

[golden adder]

How is hitting a slug headshot as a projectile that has to be used up close any less difficult or different than a light hitting a headshot with a hitscan sniper at any range

[next mauve]

So let's be honest, are people crying that the occasionally get one shot by the double barrel as light? Think if that's easier to do then making a light eat a slug shot to the face it shouldn't be any more complained about

Or powerful

[restive plover]

The full reload time on the KS-23 is negligible, dont even bother tactical reloading

[haughty zinc]

then light would be pointless up close, removing the whole "hit and run" it was made for.

[golden adder]

You’re not going to get headshot as the smallest and fastest class with any consistency

[next mauve]

That's almost like saying healing beams useless to hold on someone in a fight when heavy can just hold a shield in front of the person instead

[golden adder]

If you’re in spitting distance of any short ranged heavy weapon without having the jump on them it makes no difference as a light

[haughty zinc]

let me ask this then, why does it need a headshot mulitipler? it does enough damage already as seen in this

[next mauve]

Cloudz let me ask do u think the flamethrower is better than the light shotgun when 1v1ing a light?

[next mauve]

It 3 shots bodies a medium at that fire rate you're ttk is low af

[restive plover]

btw. the anti-gravity cube does not curve projectiles. (astleast not a noticable amount)

[next mauve]

It's great for poking, it's similar to the cl40 in poke minus its direct hit not splash but would u say I a fire fight the cl40 is beating a fcar or akm

[golden adder]

It does 120 damage with a low RoF, has spread at all times, especially when moving, slows you to a crawl when ADS, is a projectile, and reloads slow.

On the plus side 4 shots semi-consistently destroys walls.

I think it’s underpowered

[next mauve]

The fact that it's no direct hit on cl40 makes the cl40 all around better than the slug shotty

[wise briar]

We need to discuss why LIGHTS has STOLEN our TRACKING DART. This is outrageous! Unacceptable!

[ocean lava]

Who even uses it

[orchid mica]

Did sledgehammer get nerfed? Feels considerably weaker than it was in s1

[wise briar]

I do. Cuz u guys dont even fathom on how useful it is.

[ocean lava]

Fair, just mostly don’t see it as much as people run sonar nades or thermal sense

[misty heron]

Honestly the anti gravity cube is an A tier gadget as it lets you make the cash out harder to grab and gives the heavy movement which is scary. The only bad thing about it is how far you can throw it. The item swapper gadget for medium feels alright the only problem is it’s only one charge and it’s a slow charge to get back. The gateway is s tier. Do I need to explain myself?

[marsh tendon]

revolver doesn't feel the same without my medium tracking dart 😦

[limber frost]

Does anyone know how to play dager if so can you tech me?

[north chasm]

either new shotgun gets a dmg buff or a rate of fire buff

and doesn't the sniper one shot a light?

[potent ledge]

the hevy got nerfet into oblivion

[north chasm]

not really

[worn laurel]

Ye, the KS-23 needs faster reload and rate of fire

[north chasm]

the lewis gun is all the heavy needs xd

well plus rpg and mesh

[strange trout]

Gateway shouldn't have 70m range let is tp across the map

[verbal scroll]

are there light player here ?

[robust quest]

Whats the meta now

[sinful tide]

yes if its a headshot and take 2 shot for medium(one of the shot has to be heady) same goes for heavy but 3 shots

they should buff the sniper i dont feel rewarded when headshots

[hallow leaf]

They should also buff the revolver headshots then

[sinful tide]

surely man, that gun is still ass cause u have tobe exact pinpoint accuracy for the bullet to connect

if they can make it like the wingman from apex, bruh i am gonna have a field day

most satifying thing to pull flick on wingman

but here this gun just causes me headache

[north chasm]

ye dumb

a tiny little spot that gets a headshot or u miss

[sinful tide]

i was eager for some changes this season but fck, all new weapons are ass

[north chasm]

ye

its as i expected but the new pistol for light it alr

the slug shotgun just a weapon for cleaning

[sinful tide]

the old pistol is still faster for the kill

and faster death for the mouse too

[broken ether]

anybody else struggling with the ks23 or just me!???

[worn laurel]

Word, if You go head to head with someone You always lose

[broken ether]

everytime i aim my bullets seem to not go on target im sooooooo lost

[north chasm]

ur bad

[broken ether]

thats helpful

[worn laurel]

😭

[north chasm]

but dw its a shit weapon so dw about it

[broken ether]

ok

[sinful tide]

one thing i like this patch is the dematerializer

[broken ether]

but i am trying to get good with every gun except the fcar🫡

[north chasm]

sorry that was mean but ye kinda has bad accuracy but no point shooting long range anyways like 20m+

[sinful tide]

its fun, and i dont like the boat thing,

[broken ether]

aaaaah ok so close range only got it

[sinful tide]

u cant do much if weapon is absolute shit

[north chasm]

well more like ish midrange

[broken ether]

why not its a change of pace mode

[north chasm]

most weapons in this game is close range to be fair

like 15m close

u can hit someone with it from 40m+

[sinful tide]

idk could be perhaps i dig engagement like persue engage and reset

[north chasm]

but not likt does much damage

[sinful tide]

not when i am bound to a boat

[quick ice]

I'm liking the new shotty for Heavy...it's all I wanted really

[north chasm]

just stick to the lewis tbh

ig it depends on ur playstyle

[quick ice]

Oh absolutely

[north chasm]

and if u have teammates to help u deal damage like if all 3 of u have it ye ur def gonna out dps

[worn laurel]

The Lewis is good, but its boring to use the same gun every game

[quick ice]

Agreed

[north chasm]

theres like 3 main guns used tho so

xp-84 akm and the lewis from what i seen

[quick ice]

I've seen all weapons effective in certain scenarios...that being said those are the meta weapons

[north chasm]

ye

[strange trout]

Who pinged me

[north chasm]

tbh i tried throwing knives and they seem good with the longer range

unrelated but i lost my sock

[quick ice]

It's all about feel and experience to me...

And I like the feel of that new shotty...it feels right

[worn laurel]

Same here, just a simple shotgun. But it needs a little bit of adjustment

[quick ice]

I'm sure it'll get patched up... just glad it's here really

[broken ether]

suddenly your words got me to hit all my shots with this thing😂🫡

[inland breach]

I think they purposefully might have released these underwhelming which is smart

[north chasm]

well won't get updated today but next week hopefully

[broken ether]

i salute yo

[potent ledge]

please give medium a sniper

[north chasm]

they should just buff the new weapons so ppl use them
like make them the meta

[inland breach]

I’m sure that throughout the season we’ll get small tuning here and there to bring them up to “where they should be”

[north chasm]

ye too op next update then nerf them through out xd

the new shotgun 350 damage

[inland breach]

That’s less fun for the playerbase l feel, since our first impression would be super solid, it would suck and be upsetting if they get toned down hard

[north chasm]

give it 3 weeks and game will die down a lot

[eager meadow]

I find it funny that every time I see someone call for a gadget/weapon nerf it’s almost always a different weapon/gadget than the last person. Everyone seems to think that every weapon needs a nerf and that kinda tells me that Embark did a good job creating a loop of gadget/weapon counters

Except the new shotgun :)

[north chasm]

no one is saying the new shotgun needs a nerf

[sullen glacier]

New shotgun sucks ass that’s why

[pastel slate]

not statistically but is is iffy in practice. I feel like some people will get amazing at using it and destroy people

[potent ledge]

true

[sullen glacier]

It has a slower ttk then the other shotgun slower rate of fire less ammo and maybe 5m more in range drop off

[pastel slate]

it does have more range than most shotguns

[sullen glacier]

Barley and I can do the same damage with the other shotgun faster

All the other weapons and gadgets they added are great maybe just buff the new shotgun so it can 2 shot lights and give it more range since it’s a “slug”

[pastel slate]

I got in a lobby where a kid said that the new pistol was garbage

[verbal apex]

Feels like they have pretty good range already

[pastel slate]

revolver and fcar is their sniper

[potent ledge]

i meen a real sniper with a real scope

like a 50cal version of the light snper

[pastel slate]

that would be terrifying

unless it was also projectile based

[sullen glacier]

That is an awful idea

Medium already got an unnecessary buff

[pastel slate]

to be fair they got their recon stuff moves to light

I do hope they don't rotate specializations out

in the futer

[worn laurel]

It would be anoying to have the medium on your team just sitting at the back of the map sniping

[strange trout]

Add an explosive goo gun or item

[pastel slate]

yeah they have so many close up team helping gadgets

[worn laurel]

But some sort of semi-auto of repeting rifle would be cool to see for the medium class

Or maybe a handgun like the silenced one the light class has

[drifting marsh]

Has anyone tested if heavy grenade launcher goes through the gateway? 🤣

[pastel slate]

oh no

[sullen glacier]

If you need recon sensors your just a bot tbh

A Winchester rifle would be cool for the mediums but it would have to be a pea shooter

[hallow leaf]

grenades do so i would assume the grenade launcher does

[drifting marsh]

would be super fun to see or use

[potent ledge]

I want to see a 50cal gun in the game in the future

[sullen glacier]

They won’t add one shots into the game

[real acorn]

whats the heavy meta rn

[drifting marsh]

1 shots already exist tho

[sullen glacier]

Updraft dome rpg mesh

[real acorn]

what the best gun for heavy

[sullen glacier]

Lewis

[drifting marsh]

i have 30 hours only but i say heavy shotgun

[terse dagger]

hi]

[sullen glacier]

Shotgun is good for close range maps but if it’s like Monaco use the Lewis

Lewis is just consistent heavy isn’t really the damage power house anymore

[potent ledge]

I dont say it needs to be one shot. Just that it needs to go through the riot sheald or the mesh/dome shealds but it reduses the damadge when it gets through

[real acorn]

whats the power house

[restive plover]

After the recoil adjustment you should use the m60.

[potent ledge]

Or they could let you choose between difrent ammo types like multi purpose and incendiary rounds on difrent Guns in the game

But i like the idea of some sort of 50cal rounds in the game

[real acorn]

xp-54 vs V9S vs 93r

[drifting marsh]

i think xp54 is still best, but 93r hipfire is crazy

[chilly turret]

the pistols are just more fun

[drifting marsh]

i get tired of clicking

[bright reef]

Did they change anything to the fcar this season?

[eager meadow]

I die little bit inside every time a medium kills me point blank with a cl-40 and doesn’t also take damage. There should be heavy penalties for using grenade launchers up close like that, you should not be able to live :(

[golden adder]

At max range it’ll do 12% less damage

[golden adder]

You do take damage up close though?

[bright reef]

Oh damn it actually felt better when i used it today, but idk it could be the recoil changes

[pastel slate]

Cl 40 kills the user a ton

launcher was my favorite weapon so I can tell you I killed myself a ton using it

[hallow leaf]

"has 12 deaths in a match" 10 were self inflicted

[pastel slate]

pretty much

[unique gyro]

Light is terrible now

[next mauve]

To the head it does, also a 3rd alternative for the new shotgun is headshot multiplier since it's a slug

[north chasm]

true

[hallow leaf]

That thing already has a hard enough time just hitting someone let alone headshots

[north chasm]

god i hate discord

[next mauve]

I mean, give a multiplier strong enough where 1 heads got 1 shots a light, 1 hs and 1 body kills a medium, 1 hs 2 body kills a heavy

[sullen glacier]

Like heavy’s shouldn’t be doing all the damage anymore they should focus on cooldowns and utilities

[next mauve]

That wouldn't do too much buy it is an option

[next mauve]

Self sustain is basically what ur looking for that and defense

Stay alive and hold that's what a heavy should be all about

[sullen glacier]

Yep I agree before it wasn’t like that with nukes and Lewis being how they were

[north chasm]

they a main besides the lewis

[next mauve]

Tbf a light should have the highest dmg output, followed by medium, then heavy

[sullen glacier]

Yep totally

[next mauve]

Now im not saying a light should be able to go face to face in a even fight with a heavy

[north chasm]

ig

[sullen glacier]

Game is super balanced atm

[north chasm]

i mean xp-84 heavys are dead

[hallow leaf]

RPG and stun gun enter the chat

[next mauve]

Perfect example is face to face even match up, medium loses to a heavy if heavy has Lewis and the medium has an ar

[sullen glacier]

You have to hit all your shots light is a class where you either out play or out laser

[north chasm]

its amazing how medium kinda bad but majority of ppl use it

[next mauve]

Rpg nerfed, and stun gun isn't really as oppressive as people pretend it is

[pastel slate]

That's why gadgets exist

[hallow leaf]

Wasn't nerfed enough

[north chasm]

i miss sonsr on med

[sullen glacier]

I play medium jump pad nades pads heal fcar

[next mauve]

Bro if u hit like 4 meters away from a light it does lile half there health lol

[north chasm]

i think zip is better then jump

[sullen glacier]

If u used sonar ur just bad tbh

[next mauve]

I swear people are gonna complain about things indefinitely

[north chasm]

why ever heard of support?

[sullen glacier]

No need just use your ears

[next mauve]

Just cause you don't like something doesn't mean it isn't balanced

Why use recon when invisibility is loud as a mf

[north chasm]

also nades are so ez to avoid

[sullen glacier]

Not mine

[next mauve]

Usually only get hit by them when I'm actively doing something dumb anyway

[north chasm]

ur gonna see the nade lmfao

[sullen glacier]

Drop them at my feet during fights and always win

[next mauve]

Me when I buy the camo skin for my nade👻

[north chasm]

hm

[next mauve]

If you kill yourself they don't get the kill credit this means they didnt beat me I beat me so I win

[north chasm]

and at the end of the day everyone has there own play style

[next mauve]

My playstyle is adhd, I got no damn idea what ima do next so Goodluck predicting me when I have the instincts of a pigeon flying at glass

[sullen glacier]

My playstyle is winning

[next mauve]

Oh yea what's ur win loss

[sullen glacier]

60% 800 games majority solo queue

[next mauve]

How many kills does one obtain in 800 games

[sullen glacier]

Thousands

[next mauve]

I'm knocking on the door of 10k

[sullen glacier]

I usually drop like 10-15 kills a round

[next mauve]

They removed my favorite tactic from the game tho

[north chasm]

rip

[sullen glacier]

Nukes?

[north chasm]

i don't care about winning to much i try my best

[next mauve]

I liked to run into a room with a nuke like a suicide bomber and just sudoku

[sullen glacier]

Lmao

[next mauve]

Only way nuke was fun is if we both die

[supple galleon]

True

[north chasm]

u can still do a nuke

[sullen glacier]

They just suck

[north chasm]

mines and c4 lol

[next mauve]

It was even better when u were light playing with a heavy and would do that shit just run in a room and tell them now as you dash in there at the guy

Light is the ultimate tool for nuking as a heavy

[north chasm]

feel like nukes only came popular with steal the spotlight

[next mauve]

3 guys on object one light holding a heavy barrel would clear that shit so fast

[next mauve]

It got nerfed before that

[sullen glacier]

Nah people were making nukes in beta

[next mauve]

Nuke on launch bro (can't say beta didn't play it 🥺) toxic barrel throw that bitch like 40 meters and do like 450 damage

Shit made me feel fuckin dirty bro

Heavy being now prolly the weakest class is deserved, we had our limelight long enough

[sullen glacier]

I never abused nukes

But I did abuse pads

[next mauve]

It was abuse or be abused and as my grandaddy used to say. "Kicking a man when he's down ain't wrong cause he would likely kick you if you were down"

Either way, I feel just as toxic running mesh, gravity, barricade, dome now lmao

[sullen glacier]

“Be better” -T4

[next mauve]

"Why be better than your opponents when you can win by being cheap" -Albert Einstein, probably

[sullen glacier]

Because then it’s just luck and not skill

[next mauve]

I mean, bad players using a good strategy beating good players using meh strategies isn't either its just smart

[sullen glacier]

Can’t be good with meh strats

You can have good mechanics but that doesn’t win you games consistently

[next mauve]

You could have the best aim in the game, best movement, positioning, etc. But if you are arrogant and think that one players pure mechanical skill will always get u a win in a team based game a smart team of average players will slay

If this guy thinks he can 1v3 while the 3 know they're outmatched so work together then the better player and as a by product his teammates will suffer

[sullen glacier]

I’ve won multiple games with 0-20 teammates

[next mauve]

Teamwork>skill

[near bobcat]

Potato Cannon skin for Cl-40 or KS-23

[next mauve]

That's not saying your opponents were using affective or good strats

[next mauve]

I thought u sent a pic of a sex machine for a second had to do a double take

[sullen glacier]

I mean double heal heavy is a good strat but I’m going to position myself so you can’t position yourself

[potent ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/machine-gun-stationary-gun-rocket-gun-trevante-rhodes-the-predator-gif-11846844

[next mauve]

This mornin I was in a qc I was light and had 1 random teammate also light. No 3rd and never got one. Teammate went 3-7 I was 17-4 we won buy scoring both of the first cash outs cause my skill, my skill opened me up to kills cause the opponents threw themselves at me 1 by 1 making it easy cleaning. If they'd worked together and helped eachother instead of coming at me (who holds cashout so has positional advantage) I would've been like 3-9 but they didn't so I won

[next mauve]

Big issue, objective game. You can deny a area but you can't fully deny any positioning no matter what you do cause they can play objective and specifically lock down that position and yea there stats may be 1-5, 3-3, 2-4 but they're holding objective from you and can still win in that way

I've seen it happen several times

[stuck osprey]

Famas sound is annoying , way too much bass

[pure quiver]

Sighh noo I don’t think it needs a buff now (I have played more with it since my comment and think it is okay where it is rn)

[lyric granite]

buff light the new weapons is REALLY weak (in my opinion is too slow and does too less damage)

[mighty lichen]

is using a zero rebound time mouse considered cheating?

[raw mortar]

I'm shooting directly through people I have clips

Medium shotgun and revolver

[royal flicker]

Aiming down sights and standing still or moving around?

Cause the ads sight is no accurate at all if you're moving around, best seen on the sniper scope

[raw mortar]

Oh well I'm an idiot. Thank you I was being a movement douche

[astral onyx]

Buff the burst medium weapon maybe? Idk about the light one

[polar trout]

I think the famas needs something to solidify it's role. Like maybe buff it's ranged performance a lil and give it an acog

To really make it better at medium to long range than the other rifles

[pastel slate]

I don't mind how it is right now. It is pretty fun.

[royal flicker]

Yeah I say a scope would be nice to solidify it as a long range rifle

[undone fox]

Can somebody dm me and explain ranked this szn ??

[warm wind]

what the coolest gadjet in new patch?

[fickle radish]

Demat and the gravity thing imo

[warm wind]

demat??

i like this new for heavy like instead of grenade

anti gravity hard

[fickle radish]

Dematerializer*

[meager solar]

Is the new light weapon even worth trying or should I get the new medium weapon instead

[pure pewter]

New light weapon is meh at best. Famas is pretty good and the KS-23 is hot garbage

It is really wild that a SLUG shotgun isn't perfectly accurate.

[halcyon onyx]

is the ks-23 supposed to fire rockets launcher pellets?

[burnt holly]

if u guys wanna explore new map join my custon game PHW2

[round furnace]

bet that

[plucky pasture]

I had an idea for a gun it would be for medium and it would be an ar I am thinking it would be full automatic and you can detach and attach the scope and that is the main mechanic.

[eternal patrol]

never once a quote

[grave remnant]

the problem with the shotgun is its too slow projectile while other weapons are insta hitting

[terse raptor]

Wait, the slug isn't hit scan?

[grave remnant]

Its not

[terse raptor]

Ok well that sucks

[grave remnant]

Thats why its so hard to hit

[frail mirage]

sucks

[austere nexus]

it does suck

[terse raptor]

At least it's not the worst weapon

[grave remnant]

Whats the worst one? Grenade launcher?

[untold radish]

is the new pistol for the light class any good if not any reccomendations beside the 2 smgs

[rose scarab]

5000 DAMAGE WITH GRENADES IS A MENTAL ILLNESS

[grand delta]

Its fine, APS only shoot down infinite grenades and never expires 🙃

[rose scarab]

ive bee playing grenade builds for 3 hours and am barely half way

[grave remnant]

Its not that difficult just use frags and gas

[grand delta]

A.P.S.

[rose scarab]

fire isnt good enough

[grave remnant]

yeah that shit should get a nerf

[grave remnant]

I dont like it

[rose scarab]

I use glitch fire frag

[grand delta]

It just needss to only shoot down "X amount of projectiles" and then it expires

[grave remnant]

I love gas with the buff even more

[grave remnant]

Or increase its hp but each projectile damages it

[grand delta]

Sure thats good too

[grave remnant]

Id love to use grenade launcher but its impossible because of the aps

[untold radish]

any good build reccomendations for light

[rose scarab]

wait what!?

[runic hemlock]

@golden adder I tested this to confirm, you are correct & that was a revolver buff. At 45% of the revolver's headshot damage of 148 that's 66.6 damage per bullet, went into the test range and could triple tap scout dummies in the head from any range. Math checks, TY!

[grave remnant]

Its a suggestion

[rose scarab]

laughs in redploying spam

[grand delta]

He's easily confused, use smaller words

[grave remnant]

lol

[terse raptor]

No grenade launcher is actually good however throwing knives are not and I like throwing knives they just are lacking

[grave remnant]

Oh I was thinking about heavy weapons but if we’re talking about all weapons in the game then yeah I think they are one of the worst

[terse raptor]

For heavy I'm not sure it's they either have the best most op weapons or some of the less good weapons I think it's hard to say but it's the flamethrower imo it's very easy to counter unless you're using throwing knives

[untold radish]

any weapon reccomendations or build reccomendations

[meager steeple]

Does grenade launcher damage count as grenade damage?

[hybrid wyvern]

famas is nuts rn

[untold radish]

bet

[terse raptor]

FAAFO it's gives the best loadouts

[untold radish]

?

[grave remnant]

Yeah flamethrower sucks too

[untold radish]

faafo?

[terse raptor]

F#$@ around and find out

[grave remnant]

pretty sure it doesnt

[untold radish]

oh crazy

[terse raptor]

The loadouts will be better or worse depending on the player so go to the practice range and faafo

[terse raptor]

But at least it's not riot shield

[grave remnant]

I havent even touched that thing yet

[terse raptor]

Yeah it's really hard to use well and all it takes to beat it's block is two people or a well shot stun gun

[pastel slate]

ok fmas just cleared me a lobby

It can be a heavy decimator

[slim linden]

JUST ADDED RECOIL!
For more information on other weapons, please visit https://nao.gg/cns

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1217384323817406635/1218361623538962473/image.png?ex=660762af&is=65f4edaf&hm=59db1f45d47a34dd4c17913cb6b4c382e7ea12822438bb28c4099d48ebddca52&

[pearl crag]

YOU CAN RESHAPE THE CASHBOX WITH THE DATA RESHAPER GADGET ON MEDIUM

[terse raptor]

only in the practice range

[rigid magnet]

That would be crazy

If the new heavy shotgun got a damage multiplier for shields kinda how it does for arena damage. Would that make it more viable?

[pure pewter]

The heavy slug shotgun needs a lot more than bonus damage to shields.

Issues in no particular order:
No headshots on a projectile weapon
Not accurate on ADS
Not accurate in general
No way to reload cancel into ADS
Poor damage thresholds
No 'fast reload' (2 shell reload seen on empty)
Poor environmental damage. (4+ shells for walls)

[terse raptor]

you can actually hit headshots with the slug its just really hard

[runic hemlock]

Its actually pretty frustrating- you CAN reload cancel the slug shotgun and medium shotgun.. but only on controller..There's a controller button that immediately cancels your reload and it isn't a thing on M&K layout.

[pure pewter]

You can not headshot. Easily verified in practice range.

[terse raptor]

then the practice range is bugged i tested in a private match

[pure pewter]

I've been playing it in game for 10h now. It can't headshot.

[terse raptor]

you are incorrect and kinda stubborn when i say i tested it and it can headshot means that i hit a headshot in a private match

[pure pewter]

Test it in game. It is literally unable to headshot. You are entirely talking out of your ass.

[unique badge]

play medium in the new game mode and run healing beam fcar frag pyro and gas thank me later

[terse raptor]

i tested it in game please calm down

[steel helm]

I play 8 ranked tournumant games and ı win 7 game but rank system drop me silver 2 last season ı am gold 1 player wtf is that ı am mad plase fix rank system ı want to see my winner point nick GLOBALİ my frind

[fathom warren]

can we please get animated skins for the XP-54 we have nothing :(

[left wolf]

Quick question. For those running pistol on lights what build y’all recommend as far as gadgets go? Currently running breach charges, stun gun and frags

[pine grail]

So is the shotgun bad

[pine grail]

Like why no dmg or headshot

[fresh lodge]

Frags are nice, maybe try running portals

[past wagon]

M60 is good when you treat it like a shot gun

[agile pebble]

this slug gun is fire once you learn to use it and combo it with charge

[pure pewter]

Its really not though. The slug has about half of the DPS of any other weapon. It loses to the sledge left clicks.

Plus the projectile is kind of...odd at close range. I've had a bizare number of misses when I'm shoving my barrel down their throat.

[proud stone]

Takeout rpg’s. Nerf heavy auto shotgun

[pine grail]

I agree with this guy the shotgun is not ok it’s trash tier it does 120 if it did even 125 it would be more viable but even then is still nowhere comparable to the sa

I’m a big advocate of shottys I love them but they gave us a makeshift sniper with no headshot hitbox and a trash fire rate with the worst ttk

[agile pebble]

fire was a compliment, ive been dominating games (not ranked thats cancer i wont play)
when you pair charge and slam and a single slug shot you can easily wipe out a heavy and its even easier on mediums
once you learn how to aim it its really not bad especially with its range

[pine grail]

I was talking about the other guy

[agile pebble]

misclick reply?

[pine grail]

That playstyle isn’t viable unfortunately and ranked is literally the same as normal tourneys

[pine grail]

The sad truth is using slam will get you mowed down and the shotgun either needs a fire rate dmg or a headshot hitbox added

[coral bolt]

What’s a good repelacement to c4 after the nerf?

[agile pebble]

oh well, I enjoy using it in quick match and slam works well if you dont run straight and theres only one enemy in my experience

[pine grail]

Unfortunately it’s a team game and not only will it not be a 1v1 it’s prob a 3v3v3v3 and it’s fine to enjoy I love the gun too it just needs a buff to be viable

[agile pebble]

i wouldnt complain about a headshot hitbox

[wise briar]

Goddamn Lights trash dare taking away my tracking dart. I despise all you lights

[soft juniper]

just play light now

[wise briar]

U must repent brother. The medium and heavy will guide your way

[soft juniper]

I only play medium and heavy for meme plays

[rigid magnet]

i replaced it with frags, theyre pretty strong

[deft ice]

thoughts on throwing knife?

feels like the ttk is higher than other weapons

[mellow lodge]

it does not

the only gun that it has a faster ttk than is the sniper

[soft juniper]

Throwing knife is super fun and great if you land headshots all the time and the ttk is a little faster then seaason 1 since they buffed the speed the throwing knifes when in the air

[soft juniper]

both sniper and Throwing knife can oneshot a light if hit in the head

[mellow lodge]

well no as there are 2 throwing knives therefore not a one shot lmao jk i get what you mean

[soft juniper]

how many times do you have to click your mouse to throw 2 throwing knifes?