💣┇weapons-gadgets

[echo crest]

having a coordinated team makes mesh even more obsolete as well

holing yourself up with a heal pocket with mesh shield is asking to get your shield beamed or shot through a wall, and since you're too busy holding it up you can't help in team fights

it might be a decent escape option but its more of a "prolonging inevitable death" option rather than an escape anyway

[golden adder]

Absolutely not it’s invaluable. The enemy team magdumping your shield is them not damaging you and your teammates while they can return fire, heal, steal, etc.

Way more practical than charge

[echo crest]

in higher ranks where cleaning fights and team fights are more common its just far more useful to have an entry ability

[echo crest]

its wayyy too easy to magdump without being punished, and its hardly any time if it gets lasered, then you just have no shield after

the only use case where i am genuinely bothered by a mesh shield is when someone is stealing, and in that case my heavy just charges to stop it anyway sooo

[golden adder]

Gadgets fill that role. And your shield being destroyed means you can now engage while the other team reloads

Charge is worthless on any open point as well, whereas mesh is not situational whatsoever.

[echo crest]

how slow do you think the reload speeds are? paired with a lack of movement speed and contribution to the fight you are literally a sitting duck, and the proc animation is long enough that you cant switch between shooting and shielding fast enough for it to TTK faster than someone just beaming you

[echo crest]

mesh is very situational wdym? as soon as a corner of it is poking out somewhere you can beam it, if you are too close to someone you get run down on, if someone has slam you are screwed, if someone throws a nade under your feet you cant get away fast enough

slam is so much easier to play around and adapt since its literally just pure damage and disruption that makes whatever team ur team fighting focus you for a second and your meds and/or light can easily team shoot during that time

most cashouts are indoors, and you can bust through a wall to stop a steal

and if youre out in the open its so much easier to beam your mesh shield anyway

[golden adder]

Having zero cover gets you melted, and selfish abilities in this game are nowhere near as good as ones that help you keep your teammates alive longer.

[echo crest]

magdumping a pocketed shielder just leads to heal overheating and shield breaking, ammo is infinite and reload speeds are fast, you just dont win that fight

[echo crest]

then play around cover? why is mesh shield your only cover in this case? it doesnt even provide that much cover to begin with?

[echo crest]

its not a selfish ability to get aoe damage, get a pick, get entry space, distract your enemy, stop a steal, proc while using a jump pad to initiate a fight with free damage, idk what you are saying

positioning and team shooting > prolonging and shielding for a few seconds

[golden adder]

What good is charge and slam on the edge of Monaco, or the rubble of duck and cover, or on moving platforms, etc.

You get similar value of charge and slam with c4 or rpg while not having to always fight in close quarters or behind cover.

[echo crest]

literally only 1 cashout spot during duck and cover is out in the open. and even then you can jump pad off a roof and slam the point for free damage or to stop a steal. on moving platforms you can literally knock people off your platform.

c4/rpg does not have the same value as slam. slam has a much faster cooldown, and has far better destructive capabilities for your objective. not to mention, rpg and c4 close range damages yourself, whereas slam doesnt. its free damage, destruction, and space taken on a fast cooldown

[golden adder]

Your options with charge are either run into melee range of an enemy and hope their team isn’t around to follow up while you have no protection, or put holes in the environment that you can easily be followed through. All while you do nothing to stop your team from dying to poke damage.

One of your biggest advantages of able to prevent opponents from stealing is also faster, and less suicidal by just tagging them once with the goo gun.

[echo crest]

Your options with charge are either run into melee range of an enemy and hope their team isn’t around to follow up while you have no protection, or put holes in the environment that you can easily be followed through. All while you do nothing to stop your team from dying to poke damage.
this just isnt anywhere close to the use cases I mentioned
One of your biggest advantages of able to prevent opponents from stealing is also faster, and less suicidal by just tagging them once with the goo gun.
pulling out a weapon that does 0 damage and going to a spot with LOS on the cashout to hit them with goo is less suicidal than using an AOE damage ability through a wall without needing LOS?

[buoyant epoch]

What do the dagger players here run for dagger

[golden adder]

Heavy has no issues creating line of sight to the objective without sacrificing better specializations.

You’re also assuming a very situational scenario where enemies are bunkered down in an enclosed room and not rotating. Giving up a ton of space for free is a bad strategy.

That’s enough arguing you can have the last word 🤝

[echo crest]

Giving up a ton of space for free is a bad strategy.
but by your logic and your argument against slam, taking space for free is also a bad strategy?
Heavy has no issues creating line of sight to the objective without sacrificing better specializations.
this argument works if we were to collectively agree that the other specializations are objectively better, since you are trying to use the opportunity cost of the supposed better specializations as the reason

i feel like half the reason mesh is used commonly is because people arent familiar with ways of countering it, or lack the coordination to do so. in that sense, it is considered "good" but slam holds far more value for high level ranked matches where every fight is just a clean up or an extension of a previous one. mesh just does not hold the same, and often times only serves to help corner your team into a situation they wouldn't be in if they opted for better positioning and more favorable fights rather than trust in playing around the shield in an otherwise shitty spot to fight

[zenith plank]

Dash, dagger (duh), invis bomb, taser and either a glitch nade or frag nade

It's nice to hit those passthrough backstabs with the dash

But I've seen cloak and even grapple work well with the dagger too
I just prefer dash playstyle personally

[tropic snow]

not seen anyone mention this, appears to be a burst pistol for medium

[echo crest]

its a burst pistol for light

[tropic snow]

ahhh cool

[echo crest]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2073850/view/4130435365862894609?l=english more notes here

[tropic snow]

awesome cheers man

now this im excited for "In Season 2, contestants can compete in a revamped League System that improves the ranked play experience, with league rewards that up the stakes. A new Career Circuit system offers weekly rewards from Seasonal Sponsors, allowing contestants to move from Rookie to Master by completing contracts throughout the season."

[buoyant epoch]

Yeah ive been using the dash, stun, vanish as well, but i also saw some people using smokes so i was wondering if its any good

[zenith plank]

I'm a fan of smokes with thermal vision with any range weapon
But I personally don't enjoy it with melees, I don't think it works as well

[thorn widget]

THIS

Before i do my rant on my current disliked weapon, i wanna comment on this

@golden adder says charge n slam hurts you when playing to cover, forgoing range, and overall less useful than mesh.

ive played with plat, some dia, in ranked before(im not a ranked main, but a ranked enjoyer) and been running this comp loadout

Charge/slam-Sledge-Rpg-goo-Dome

This helps nullify platos point about open space survivability, mainly by giving me a cheap mesh shield if i need it, and a choice to see enemy team fights and decide to either engage with chargenslam, throw goo to block LOS and helping my team move through walls/rubble, or goo into charge n slam.

Charge becomes so useful in finishing fights, especially as a melee(and its usefulness 10xs if u have ranged weapons) due to the main way in ranked people try to back out of fights at 1 person or 1 person running away from a engagement. Since i do AOE damage on my slam, i can slow/create restricting fightlanes with goo, and can absorb more damage than the rest of my team, charge becomes invaluable to move and attack with relative impunity

all it does is change heavys wander/aggro range with charge n slam to withen 20 meters of your teamate. mesh still does that, offers a very fast depleting healthpool, and currently DOESNT BLOCK EXSPLOSIVE DAMAGE

Now.

Ive been playing throwing knives, and i currently see them being left in the dust+having such a short range comparitivly on the lowest health contestant.

these items feel useless in pistol fights, in melee fights, in suprise fights, and in trying to snipe. as light, manuvarbility is number 1, and these dont have a heavy enough dps or range to use outsde id say 30 meters in the fight,and offer a wacky 2 hand spread, and a huge windup for the non spread. meanwhile, medium and heavy AND light all have weapons that perform better, with much lower downsides to the knives. the only thing that they have for them is no reload, but evn that seems to have false premise to it due to the time it takes to fire each shot.

[golden adder]

You lost all credibility by admitting you use sledge in ranked

[thorn widget]

sledge in ranked/unranked/quickmatch is still a very viable weapon, and recently running a 3 man ranked sledge we got to semi finals

not the best weapon? nah. Fun af? yeah.

[thorn widget]

I have to depend on charge n slam, and mesh doesnt do it for me, even when running lewis. The issue with it is how again, the shield doesnt stop exsplosive damage, it slows you down/brings massive levels of attention, and it has a limited pool of health. Most everyone i see in rank trying to use it only uses it sucsessfully with 1 system, and that is doubling the mesh with a dome?! to get a cashout or a chokepoint. If it depends on more health to survive a standard 3v3 fight, its not in the correct level it needs to be at to be feasible in ranked

[warped quiver]

I agree that it's viable - me playing mostly ranked. though I personally always go with the Goo Gun. it's not always easy and sometimes indeed pretty difficult if you match against a well-coordinated team, but still works out often enough. not saying either it's the best/easiest playstyle, but probably one of the most fun :D

[thorn widget]

yeah, goo gun sledge is right behind goo flame, and goo flame is a tossup if i can solo it with charge and sledge

[warped quiver]

hell yeah

[thorn widget]

ive been watching(in quickcash) something occur when im running sledge. if you have 2 people on your team running sledge, or if your popping off, more sledge users appear, which i have found immensly fun

[thorn widget]

May i ask what you use to support your claims of how mesh is better than charge?

[mortal storm]

Could one use and antigrav and the dematerializer to move a cashout up a floor?

[golden adder]

It’s not even that I’m making a bold claim, this is a majority opinion and what the best teams use.

Also if you’re running sledge, I’d argue goo gun is a far better specialization than charge.

[weary hare]

Hey as a heavy main what should be the auxiliarys to a flamethrower?

[thorn widget]

i didnt say bold, and i hope you realise im not trying to put you in a gotcha moment.

goo is useful, but with goo nades, i can have the temp speed of a dashing light with the ability to lock down LOS into engagements i can handle as a sledge main. Goo gun limits my speed, and speed is what you need for melee

+what is best for 1 person isnt the best for others, nor do strats emerge from only doing what the top teams do. Im happy to say my strat has proved itself viable, and winnable

[golden adder]

Goo gun is a zero cooldown way to stop enemies in their tracks which is the same if not better than the speed boost you get from charge.

Plus being able to patch up what you break and the vertical mobility is way better synergy than a weapon and specialization that both break stuff.

[tidal hollow]

Charge is so goated

Turn the enemy's fortifications to dust

[thorn widget]

no cooldown is nice, but for my usage, it offers less of a benifit than charge does. My nades can close breaches, and my charge allows rotating much faster than i can without. Veritcal mobility is one of the few things i have never had issues with, due to sledge letting me bypass stairs with floor jumps, and so much valutable objects near everywhere on the map that make a sledge to the ceiling near them a easy vertical mobility up.

That, coupled with the immense presure a chargeslam does when you impact from height, and i get something that can instakill light and medium, without using my rpg or sledge. it vastly benifits my gameplay over goo or mesh, both hich offer more defense at cost of visibility and speed. can ya get why i choose charge, especially with sledge?

[thorn widget]

plus this lmao

[warm lion]

ok but can charge and slam flip entire chunks of a former house

[tidal hollow]

Something has to turn that house into a former house

[warm lion]

it's not like you're the only one in the entire match who'd have at least one tool to do that 💀

[remote turtle]

those new gadgets... oh my

[eager dust]

dagger is underrated

[bronze pier]

dagger feels like rock paper scissors alot of times though

[soft juniper]

It’s the fastest TTK weapon but also probably the hardest to use in general

[stoic dove]

It's really hard to control.

[bronze pier]

mhm

[soft juniper]

Honestly a good dagger player is scary as fuck

[bronze pier]

a good enough anything player is scary

[soft juniper]

Well not every weapon in the game can one shot all classes

[bronze pier]

hmpf

[ocean lava]

I looked at the trailer again and saw a few new weapons

A pump shotgun a burst fire pistol possibly a Bretta, a burst assault rifle possibly the French battle rifle I forgot the name and a I think a new smg

[round nova]

A famas

[ocean lava]

Ah yes thank you

Though I wonder what weapons will go to who though?

I can see the bretta going to light. Though the famas could be to either heavy or medium though my guess would be medium and pump possibly heavy or medium maybe interchangeable with both classes

[toxic isle]

i want the devs to add a flintlock pistol to Heavy, along with the coloniser bundle

[stuck pier]

Lights getting the 93R burst-fire machine pistol, Medium getting the new FAMAS burst assault rifle, and Heavys able to wield the new KS-23 slug shotgun.

[ocean lava]

A slug shotgun?

Why slug

[stuck pier]

dont ask me

[ocean lava]

Just weird is all

[toxic isle]

why cant we get a snail shotgun

[ocean lava]

But I guess we could have a contender for the revolver or sniper if it has the damage range

[boreal laurel]

My guess that this is probably going to be a breaching weapon primarily—you shoot it at a wall and it makes a big hole. My guess, at least…

[brazen surge]

is it me or did the m-11 get nerfed ?

[stuck pier]

just you

[brazen surge]

i nerfed myself damn

[mossy flax]

the m-11 seems like trash now imo im with this guy somethings different

[brazen surge]

i played with it 2 days ago and i was popping off, today i can barely get one elimination

got a 32 elim game with the m-11 today the highets i got was an 8 elim

[mossy flax]

i feel like the bloom has been modified but maybe its just me lol

[brazen surge]

Nah I’m sure something has changed , I don’t know what tho

[midnight mango]

Is heavy getting a smg?

[unique badge]

no a slug shotty

[midnight mango]

what gun was at 22 seconds

[unique badge]

slug shotty

light gets a burst fire pistol, famas for medium, slug shotty for heavy

[midnight mango]

looks alot like a smg

[left wadi]

add more guns

[manic lantern]

Real

[versed hatch]

agree

[fresh dock]

Up the fire rate on the M11

Trust me.

[kind lodge]

LOL

[kind lodge]

you sure?

[inner dune]

make melee weapons usable :)

[novel oar]

so true

[teal lance]

They are lol

[inner dune]

in high rank

[teal lance]

I know sledgehammer is at least, dagger definitely will struggle cause it's memey

Still fun to land a backstab though

[inner dune]

sledge is insanely situational and the only reason why it is ok is because light still isnt meta and therefor heavies do not have to deal with high movement often

sword is not good and dagger is actually poopy butt tier besides a gimmicky dash playstyle

[teal lance]

The light part is fair but that why I like sledgehammer in rank since more H&M instead of L

[novel oar]

sword is good with dash

[inner dune]

sword is ok at best with dash

[novel oar]

have you ever tried sword with dash

[inner dune]

yes

[novel oar]

but did you right click

[inner dune]

i know the thing and i know that with the current meta it doesnt work considering light hp

[novel oar]

true

so true

[inner dune]

unironically a heavy can point the rpg at the ground, wait for you to dash, and then shoot and melee and its over

[novel oar]

yea

[inner dune]

dont get me wrong i love how fun the melee weapons are sometimes with the hammers goofy physics and the satisfying backstabs but the fucking hurdles i need to go through to force them to work sometimes is unbearable

[novel oar]

I KNOW

[inner dune]

i remember in cb2 and ob with the charge on the dagger and how fun that was and they removed it for no fucking reason

[novel oar]

yea

[inner dune]

i complained a month straight in the light build chat and no one even knows if it was intended or not

[novel oar]

im annoyed that they made it so you could not barrel ride with grappling hook as that was what made grappling good

[inner dune]

also they removed the sick ass animations from cb2 for no reason as well, other than maybe microtransactions later

[teal lance]

Skill issue tbh, i main heavy sledgehammer and it's not that bad lol gotta know placement since you have light/no range

[novel oar]

your counter is any long range item you can not be talking

[inner dune]

tell me your silver without telling me

[novel oar]

so true

[teal lance]

Cover and double shield?

Most cash out are inside of building anyway

[novel oar]

but you have no range

so you cant get kills behind cover

[inner dune]

your right click goes through cover and if there is a shield its like 1 more step and then ur inside it

how are those even points

[novel oar]

yea

[inner dune]

ur already using a melee weapon, u have to get close anyway

[teal lance]

Yeah exactly why you need double shield

[inner dune]

so youre telling me exactly why playing melee is easily counterable and simultaneously saying that its just spacing

[novel oar]

your saying the way you stay alive is by not getting close

[inner dune]

so is it a skishue or are melee weapons not playable

[novel oar]

dagger and sword are

[teal lance]

Duh if they can't shoot long range at you then they don't got an advantage over you

[uncut timber]

some sort of heal-mine or whatever that can heal team members slightly if they walk over it, it can be a gadget only for mediums

[novel oar]

so true

[inner dune]

its like you need to jump though hurdles to get close and make the fight in your favor

[teal lance]

Doesn't ever class gotta do that though? You always want it in your favor

[inner dune]

yes but when the direct counter is the s key its not as easy

[unique badge]

their a high skill high damage weapon for reason dagger coper

[peak crystal]

Weapon

[neon cosmos]

someone have a good build for throwing knives?

[unique badge]

Mesh Barrier Lewis Gun Barricade Dome Shield RPG

[shell dragon]

Real

[urban cliff]

WHY DOES THE REVOLVER TAKE ALL 6 HEADSHOTS TO KILL A MEDIUM AT 40+ METERS WHEN THE FCAR, AKM, M11, XP54, V9S, LH1, LEWIS GUN, AND THE M60 CAN KILL A MEDIUM IN LESS THAN ONE MAG AT ANY RANGE TO THE BODY AHHHHHH

its challenging enough to hit headshots with 6 rounds at 40m on a moving target. the revolvers damage falloff is superrrrr harsh compared to any other gun in the game.

[restive plover]

The yeehaw regulation act of 1970.

[urban cliff]

otherwise it'd be more usable in high elo games

i wanna be the fastest and sharpest shooter in the west with the revolver but how tf am i supposed to out-gun any other gun at 40+ meters. it'd make it much more enjoyable to use if it took 3-4 headshots on a moving target to kill at that range with the revolver

[candid prairie]

The FCAR is op it'll melt my buddy and I, within seconds I always get out gunned when I go against it

[fresh dock]

Pro tip: shoot the head

[urban cliff]

yeah the fcar is very accurate with a fast ttk at range, but it only has 20 rounds in a mag. you could use that info to your advantage pretty often

[fresh dock]

Fcar does a nice 50 damage per headshot, 3 shot-ing a light and 5 for med and not sure about a heavy yet

[urban cliff]

the revolver does less than 50 dmg per headshot at any range over than 40 meters 😭

[candid prairie]

Yeah definitely need to work on aiming at the head it seems like the guys in the lobby have no issue with that I won't even be able to spin around before I have 275 damage done to me

[fresh dock]

Use another weapon 🤷‍♂️
Personally I don't touch the revolver, but when I first did hitting shots wasn't the issue just the mag size which given the gun that it is. It's unsurprising that people complain about it 😂

[candid prairie]

My buddy says just one more bullet would make that gun nice but depending where you hit I've noticed always plays a big part

[urban cliff]

if your aim is good enough it can be very deadly up close, but at medium-long ranges it should be much better than it currently is. i personally love the revolver but not when the damage dropoff is that harsh. itll steer any high elo player away from using it at any cost. i play a lot of scrims for fun and the revolver is unusable just because of the damage dropoff, otherwise i wouldnt have any complaints with it

[candid prairie]

The revolver

[fresh dock]

Up ur sens then, multipliers of 37%-45% is highly recommended.. by me. Helps keep aim smooth and lookinging around (ads) is fast enough to hit face to face targets [I aim down sight a lot]

[candid prairie]

Okay I'll try that out and practice with it see how it suits me anything to get better at this point lol stuck at bronze 3 so I'll take any tips

[fresh dock]

If you love it then use whatever you please, personally I just see no solid use with it seeing as I usually out gun most

[candid prairie]

Thanks@fresh dock

[fresh dock]

YOU CAN PLAY RANKED?!
What's ur server? I'm in Oceania and can't get into ranked games sadly

Weapon and gadget very good
^ gotta keep this message here some how

[urban cliff]

the revolver is close to being a decent competitor with other metas but that one issue makes it awful to use in any situation when you're getting shot at at distance by an fcar or akm. if i could 3-4 shot to the head at those ranges then maybe it'd be better, then i could abuse the small mag that the fcar has and take cover in-between my shots. but if a single fcar round can do more damage than my revolver at 40+ meters then theres no use using it

[candid prairie]

Im in US west I just stay up way to late sometimes 😂

[fresh dock]

Don't forget your horizontal sens (the one below the multipliers, mines at 220 for my fast sens I use)

[fresh dock]

Currently midnight for me so 😂

[urban cliff]

im US east diamond 3, i play this game every day. besides nukes the only big complaint i have is that revolver dmg dropoff

[candid prairie]

Yeah so pretty close actually just 4 hours ahead of you

[fresh dock]

The usual damage for a headshot is 140 no drop off, 2 headshots kills a light.. how bad is the drop off exactly?

[candid prairie]

That's crazy how hard was it to get diamond? We play everyday its just usually in bank it but we've been getting into the competitive scene!

[fresh dock]

I'll have to start finding a good us server to play on, I believe I played qc on them before with decent ping (it made me play with the same level as everyone else so might be a fair fight next time)

[urban cliff]

does less than 50 dmg to the head at 40+ meters, thats an entire 6 rounds before reload that you need to hit to the head to kill one medium. any other gun can easily kill a medium at 50+ meters in less than one mag (besides shotguns obv)

[fresh dock]

Mmm, okay yep I can understand the bs which is the revolver, awesome skins tho

[candid prairie]

That's one thing we run into a lot is silver 3 or silver 2 which isn't terrible but some of them are crazy good

[fresh dock]

What's ur stats? specifically total damage? 👀

[urban cliff]

even a 9mm V9S can kill in 12 rounds to the body at 50+ meters (or 8 headshots), and it has a 1.3 second reload. if a 9mm can outgun my revolver at 50+ meters then theres an obvious issue

[urban cliff]

its easy, just takes a lot of time

i grinded through platinum in 2 days

[candid prairie]

I don't remember off the top of my head only at 118 hours of playtime so not crazy high I think 973k over 1600 revives

[fresh dock]

Looking at the everyday "hood" I don't think many revolvers are in use over a glock like the 9mm

[fresh dock]

Ah an objective player 😂

[candid prairie]

Gotcha do you have a full 3 you run with I feel like what gets in our way is our 3rd is more involved with his own thing and yes haha in it for the win

[urban cliff]

i have 146 hours playtime with 2.1m dmg with 1650 revives

[fresh dock]

Hot damn

[candid prairie]

2.1 million damage is crazy 🤣

[urban cliff]

yeah any team with good communication

[fresh dock]

I just hit 2m today with 765 revives I think, 121 hours played, entered 7k kills today too

[candid prairie]

Yeah we for sure have to find a more solid 3rd we usually can't get past the second round of ranked

[urban cliff]

if i play with a good team that i have synergy with we just play around whoever runs heavy and heal the heavy and hold W on any team we see, easy wins

[candid prairie]

That's a good strat I am seeing that more and more with the grenade launcher

[fresh dock]

I just kill everyone and my team randomly wins 🤷‍♂️

[urban cliff]

HMM or HHM is the meta rn. triple medium is also good too

[candid prairie]

What game mode do you usually play?

[fresh dock]

Qc, a ton of qc since I can't get into any ranked games

[candid prairie]

Yes it is! Trying to convince my buddy to get off of light during competitive I only see light useful in bank it to low of healt

[urban cliff]

in ranked its harder usually, theres 10,15,and 22k cashouts with 4 teams and you lose 30% of your total money when you wipe. with a solid team you can cashout 80-120k per round easily by double stacking cashouts and keeping the lobby wiped

[fresh dock]

I mainly rock light now, med all the other time when I don't run light, and I never play heavy, to slow paced for me

[candid prairie]

Dang that is unfortunate hopefully you can soon it is fun unless I am getting whooped lol then I spend the game in spectator mode

[fresh dock]

I'll just have to switch my server to something else, I'll find one tmr that gives me the best ping and then f- wit it

[urban cliff]

i get that, but playing heavy if you play it right is like trying to stop an unstoppable force🤣 master movement with the mesh shield out and break players ankles and you're unstoppable

[candid prairie]

We've tried that once we just couldn't hold out long enough we got wiped in the last 15-20 seconds and it was game over after that

Mesh shield and dome shield is cracked I'm seeing some good tactics with the goo gun recently as well

[fresh dock]

In 121 hours I've yet to find a heavy that can kill me more than 5 times. (Very specific cause a full team of heavies used an rpg on me... repeatedly.) Love this game tho

[urban cliff]

yeah that happens sometimes when you get 3rd partied randomly. it all comes down to positioning and you need to be quick when wiping teams. otherwise you're wasting time in a fight while a 3rd team comes to wipe you

[unique badge]

3 heavy autoshotty rpg c4 take it or leave it. But yeah MMH seems to be working for me

[fresh dock]

On light I rock the glitch grenade and man does it help out alot, learning that there's and under arm throw makes it so much better too 😂

[urban cliff]

in season 2 light will be much better. light isnt great in ranked because it lacks any movement gadgets for your team. in season 2 the light will have the gateway grenade to help your team get in/out of fights quickly whichll be super nice

[urban cliff]

thats a lethal combo but sometimes you need that defib if someone gets a nuke off on your team first

[fresh dock]

Mmm, I'm not sure how the that will work exactly but I'm definitely excited about the opening a wall one, I'm gonna abuse it so badly

Light rn is my best class, killing wise. Med close second, heavy ain't even on the board

[urban cliff]

pretty sure the gateway grenades are in a pair, you throw one down before entry and one after to teleport yourself out for a short period of time. or throw it down and throw the other one far to teleport quickly to another position.

movement is essential for your team in most situations

[fresh dock]

As of rn my med build is zip, bounce pad, defibrillator, runs so nicely (recon sense as the ability)

[urban cliff]

double movement is super nice to move your team around. but since light only has the glitch grenade as its only form of team support the gateway grenades will help support your team even more with that movement or accessibility to leave/enter fights instantly

[fresh dock]

Definitely agree, however still not braining on how it will be when used in game. Imma mess with it tmr when the update happens should be exciting

[urban cliff]

me too im hyped for it

thats what im most hyped for in the next season. that and the famas

[fresh dock]

Tossing one through a window onto a cash out will be terrifying for whoever is in there 😂

[urban cliff]

i have the fcar and akm both max level. i need a new AR to use and level up🤣

[fresh dock]

I've only heard things about the famas, what info do you have on it? (I'm exited for the burst pistol, hoping light gets it)

[urban cliff]

YUP EXACTLY! or leave the first grenade on the cashout when defending and when the enemy uses a dome shield to try and steal it you can throw down the second gateway grenade and teleport inside of their bubble to stop them

[urban cliff]

no info yet but in the trailer it looks burst with low recoil so im all for it

[fresh dock]

I got fcar maxed, akm is nearly there few more games

M11, XP-?? And sniper all have the white camo so just the "mastery" camo to go 🙂

[urban cliff]

nice

im currently trying to get the heavy GL max level for no reason

[fresh dock]

What about teleporting them out of the bubble else where cause grenade toss is pretty far, also imagine u can throw other gadgets through the gateway, I'm to excited dreaming up ways to use it

[fresh dock]

GL?

[urban cliff]

that'd be insane

1000 iq strat

[fresh dock]

Definitely gonna be my main M weapon if that's the case

[urban cliff]

im concerned on what the KS23 shotgun for the heavy is gonna be like. if its anything like the real life version of it as a 4 gauge shotgun itll do massive damage

[fresh dock]

Fr, but there's so much more potential!! This is only the beginning!

Hard counter verse-ing it.
Goo gun the gate way, use fire, use gas, if on a story building phase it through the floor, ect.

I CANNOT WAIT FOR IT!!!!
It's nearly 1am, I'm to exhausted to be this excited

[urban cliff]

haha get some sleep, its 7:30am for me im about to run and get breakfast

[fresh dock]

I'm assuming lights will evaporate. Mediums will disintegrate. Other heavys will laugh like the heavy from Team fortress 2. (They'll tank the shotty)

[fresh dock]

I could go for some breaky rn, all out of food tho 😂 but yeah imma head off, nice chit chatting, cya

[unique badge]

I really prefer atleast 1 healing beam

[safe flume]

I play on NA with ping (Oce que times are hellish solo) don't notice much lag

[devout zenith]

so in the new trailer for season2 I swear I seen a 3 round burst pistol at the end. Anyone else?

[tribal moon]

Look at the steam post on the update

The 3 new guns are mentioned

[devout zenith]

bet will do, appreciate it

[tribal moon]

Np 💋

[terse raptor]

does anyone else feel like the revolver is just missing something or is it just me?

[warm lion]

fan the hammer

[brittle sluice]

Absolutely agree

[warm lion]

missing that cowboy feel

[strange trout]

I'm excited for the new gateway gadget

[digital saddle]

NEWS: first first looks online now. see for yourselves. seems like recon got deleted 🏳️ sonar nade, tracking dart went to L, motion sensor to H. if this is the definitive state of season 2, it will change the game to the better.

[fallen sinew]

so thats why M got the specialization

[digital saddle]

fair exchange

[fallen sinew]

I am very much ok with those changes as a light main lol

[digital saddle]

this. but not just to Lights. it will change the flow of the game. well needed

[strange trout]

Tracking dart and sniper bouta go hard

[dawn glen]

Looks like the akm is getting a nerf, -4 mag size if I'm not mistaken

[restive plover]

But why?

[dawn glen]

idk

[restive plover]

This causes me deep sadness.

[dawn glen]

It currently has 40, right?

[restive plover]

No, 36. So I guess it's not being changed at all then.

[dawn glen]

Oh, my bad. I don't play akm too much, so I'm not too familiar with the mag size

[grizzled harbor]

i can't wait for the ar for medium

[midnight mango]

Buff ksg damage (120->125) add headshot multiplier and maybe increase destruction

[digital saddle]

v nice changes. fingers crossed 🇽

[upbeat vigil]

Hello everyone,

A French content creator (Nykho: https://www.youtube.com/@Nykho/videos) was invited to a season 2 playtest earlier this week, so I'm sharing a summary of some information with you :

Lights :

New weapon: 93R, 3-shot bursts with 21 bullets (very powerful weapon)

New gadget: Gateway, a teleporter that works by positioning two markers (manually launched as projectiles). Limited to a distance of 70m, all players can use it, and the speed momentum is retained.

The sonar grenade and tracking dart are now part of the Light kit.

Medium :

New weapon: Famas, bursts with 27 bullets, burst comparable to the AK in terms of damage.)

New specialization: Dematerializer, which replaces Recon, now discontinued. It can be used to remove or fill in walls. It has 3 charges.

New gadget: Data Reshaper, replaces all pickable objects close to our field of vision. Each object is transformed into a defined object, from lethal to non-lethal. This includes certain projectiles such as RPG shots. Reload time 15 seconds.

The Defibrilator has been reworked: there is now a delay between the action and the moment when the teamate respawns (a short "charge" before full reappearance, invulnerability in between but clearly visible to all).

Heavy :

New weapon: KS-23 projectile shotgun. Each shot removes almost half a Medium's life.

New gadget: Anti-gravity cube. It reverses gravity with an upward ascent and covers about 2 floors. Control is retained a little, and speed is slowed, but you can climb faster by pressing the jump key.

The C4 now has a single charge.

5v5 mode:

The objective is to advance a moving platform, which makes turns and contours to finally arrive on an edge of the map.

You can only challenge it if you're on it.

Respawns are fast.

No ranked mode yet.

Only available on Monaco and Skyway Stadium for now.

Other significant informations:

New Battlepass: Become a CNS. Similar to the previous Battlepass.

New Career Circuit progression system. Different contracts / missions to obtain different bonus skins and VR points.Organized into several "stages" and 4 circuits: Rookie, Challenger, Pro and Master.

Rework of the Ranked system. No further information other than the fact that there will be 8 placement matches.

The time required for respawn can now be seen on allies' death icons in the form of an ascending pie chart. A sound is also played when an ally dies.

New card event: Retro Invasion 82. Space Invaders appear at the top of the map, advancing in a straight line and firing projectiles (similar to the Alien event).

[wanton maple]

No rank mode

[normal cliff]

Probs talking for 5v5

[wanton maple]

O

[normal cliff]

Ranked is still in the game, they did a revamp of how it'll progress

[wanton maple]

Can you explain the revamp

Will they reset frame points

[normal cliff]

I don't know

Like most rank ladders these days I'll reset you down to bronze and the climb will start over but the above post talks about placement matches so I might be wrong

[frigid glade]

There will be placement matches for ranked now

[mighty cave]

shit tracking dart to light will be funnnn

[mighty cave]

ty also hypeeeeee

[digital saddle]

it will. so excited

[mighty cave]

yeahhhh this looks funnnnn

[digital saddle]

extra points for darting the used-to-be M recon exploiters 🏳️

by the by: get fucked

[onyx scaffold]

Best load out for light class?

[digital saddle]

SNUKES seemingly deleted, too 🏳️

[terse raptor]

that is not what i meant but that's what it needs. I meant like it feels like it's a bit weird with hitting shots.

[teal gale]

Should i use F-car or akm

For me i like akm but my aim absolutely sucks with every weapon and the recoil on fcar is annoying plus in person i always die with f-car with akm i sometimes win sometimes die if in close quarter fight but i have bad aim and cant hit longshots

[restive plover]

M60 buff. Needs more love

[vital forge]

Nah they just nerf Louis gun to make you feel better, heavy is just shotgun now with season2.

Louis gun is just the same as m60 now with recoil of a bucking bronco

[ebon crane]

i heard something about adjustments to the sniper for light, any truth behind this?

[vital forge]

Yeah they're taking it out of the game so teammates stay within a hundred meters

[gleaming zinc]

Neither FMAS 🗿

[glass island]

hi

[high fox]

yo guys, i havent played the finals since realese, how is the meta atm ?

is light any better?

[cobalt gull]

well it's all about to change in 1 and a half houre

[cobalt gull]

so no one knows. but Recon senes is out and Sonar is moved to lights.

[vital forge]

I have like a 10 kd with light... you can literally go invisible with the strongest weapons in the game

[candid prairie]

With recon leaving will the items that were earnable off of that what's gonna happen to that if you didn't unlock everything yet for it will they become purchasable? Or just if you have it you have it

[terse raptor]

i don't think recon is getting removed

[candid prairie]

Oh okay it just seemed like recon senses was getting removed and they were gonna change it with another ability I didn't quite understand it though

[terse raptor]

they are just adding the new ability recon stays and a new ability comes i can see why you would think that though

[golden adder]

Recon is gone

[terse raptor]

ok, how do you know?

[golden adder]

People have posted screenshots

Also gone in the preview gameplay

[delicate juniper]

New specialization: Dematerializer, which replaces Recon, now discontinued. It can be used to remove or fill in walls. It has 3 charges.

[surreal musk]

hmm

[slender lagoon]

w

[plucky willow]

still no bow for S2 ? :c

[slender lagoon]

idk man maybe they drop it in the future but for wich class do u mean

[surreal musk]

no way light is getting sonar thats OP

[candid prairie]

What about the rewards earned from recon how about those kinda just if you got it you got it??

[spice spruce]

Give heavy a morph ball 👍

[pulsar mesa]

Huge agree, IMO medium shouldn't have Recon

[hallow tulip]

proof

[obsidian island]

huh i thought it was only streamers rn

[nimble imp]

Does the Holtow Fine Print skin on M11 print a receipt which each elimination?

[obsidian island]

wait really

i thought in like

[vital forge]

Prove I don't

[nimble imp]

You’re saying ye to me?

[sleek cliff]

Any place i can look at the new weapons? Like on YouTube or something?

[devout flower]

yes

[devout flower]

just on some videos from the creators with early accsess

[terse raptor]

i don't like that embark is removing abilities

[frigid glade]

I think removing recon was 100% warranted and a very good choice for the overall game’s health. Dematerialize is really fun to use so it was a good swap

[terse raptor]

i agree recon needed to go but this means that the devs will likely do this again and thats not good because it removes parts of the game

[frigid glade]

I get where you’re coming from and I agree in general, that being said I think if anything warranted removal it was definitely recon

[terse raptor]

im thinking they could have changed it maybe giving it an increased cooldown and lets you ping the location of all enemies like a sonar instead of giving you wall hacks but only one ping per recon because removing something will just destroy loadouts

[lilac swift]

I was iffy about it at first too, but it really felt like a better direction the more I thought about it

[terse raptor]

but they didn't need to remove it they could have just balenced it out

[lilac swift]

I don't think anything else will be removed, it fits with the hacker theme that the specialization would be replaced with a new hacker one

[frigid glade]

Yeah I think it really needed a full rework to be viable maybe like a bloodhound scan but in its previous and even nerfed state it made for a pretty unfun gameplay mechanic

[terse raptor]

i guess it's fine but if it was for any other ability I doubt your reaction would be the same (going to sleep now don't expect a reply to your response to this)

[bleak moth]

Heya would you think a sniper buff would be good as im using it atm and it’s so sad

It’s a weird line as the knife can one shot but only in situational close range stuff yet if the sniper was buffed it would get rid off the knives advantage

Maybe just increase the headshot damage? Hell you need to be a light to use it so

[junior bobcat]

thoughts on the new gadget?

[bleak moth]

Which one

[bleak moth]

As there’s 3

I think the portal bomb has some intresting uses. The item changer might be S teir and and the anti grav field might be meh

Basically all I see is making mediums stronger

[restive plover]

💪

[bleak moth]

I feel like light needs buffs as there so weak atm yes there supposed to flank and that’s what I do but when mediums have everything it’s a bit idk

[spiral flint]

does the glitch grenade stop cashout steals?

[bleak moth]

Not really my point

[restive plover]

No, stun gun will though.

[fresh dock]

Gateway MMMMMMMMMM YES GIVE ME!
Wall phaser MMMM yeah okay alright
Heavy anti grav, here we go again

[bleak moth]

I’m very look forward to gateway it’s just that every teams can use it gives me doubt I get why thou.
Imagine putting a gateway off the map 😂😂😂

[restive plover]

Well they are getting the tracking dart/sonar that will be taken off medium. Also I thought the portal bomb was light only?

[bleak moth]

That’s fair it’s more the healing beam that’s the issue I had a game I had a 20 to 3 kd and lost in the final round

Cuz the difibs granted they are getting a change

[restive plover]

And that will weaken the healing beam by proxy.

I feel like full support medium is going to become much rarer.

[bleak moth]

I see that makes sense I just feel like sometime the role of light is hardly useful

Granted I use the sniper so that’s prolly a part of it but I just want it to be useful

I see it as a support weapon to weaken peeps

[restive plover]

They play style it requires doesn't mesh well with the objectives in the main cashbox mode. They'll probably do better in 5v5.

[bleak moth]

-sorry sniper our medium heal

[restive plover]

Well they can't heal forever, and that's a gun taken out of the fight.

[bleak moth]

Wait the sniper is gone?

Oh nvm I’ve been dumb

[restive plover]

No, I mean by forcing someone to heal you take their gun out.

[bleak moth]

Yeah hmm I feel like the new changes will balance things

It was mainly the defib I had issues with like no matter what people did they are just kept alive. I kinda feel like they shouldn’t be able to be affected by healing beam for a period too idk just gets rid of the impact of death

[summer maple]

Why does light get tracking dart and recon grenade are we making a class with the best 1v1 capability track you also thats weird

[patent wharf]

If heavy is only getting one C4 charge now, will its damage be buffed significantly? As it stands, its damage is comparable to a light's breach charge. Also I read somewhere else that Light was getting the recon senses perk from medium's class - is that true or is a lot of this still unconfirmed?

[restive plover]

Sonar grenades and tracking dart are being moved from medium to light. Recon senses is being pulled from the game completely.

[dire tapir]

med has no counter to light invis now

[restive plover]

Aside from having ears.

[patent wharf]

Ah right fair enough. I would've liked to see the recon senses specialization get traded for invisibility on lights though, seeing as that's what gives rise to the more selfish playstyles that make light less viable in competitive

[restive plover]

I mean all of light's specialties are "selfish."

[dire tapir]

hell they get all the cool skins too

[trail zenith]

True

[patent wharf]

Well that's what I'm saying with recon senses. Give that to light and now its a staple of the class - the same way healing beam is for medium and the shield is for heavy

You can play with a turret on medium or with the charge on heavy but they're generally seen as less useful in competitive (not saying they're useless just not as viable)

[dire tapir]

i think some people just hated wall hacks even if for a very short period

[patent wharf]

I never hated recon senses as much as I hated multiple invis lights running around with tasers and shotguns every match 💀

[dire tapir]

Facts

[restive plover]

Honestly recon wasn't that bad, people just disliked it on principle.

[dire tapir]

i would just throw my recon grenade but now it looks like goo or wall hack open then close. run instead of stand and fight

[patent wharf]

And honestly if I ever saw someone lock-in recon senses instead of a heal beam in competitive, it always felt like it was a more selfish option because A) they often won't communicate that information to the team and B) they could be healing team mates instead

But under the context of a light class - sure it can be used just as selfishly. But compared to the other options it has a greater capacity to help your team

[bleak moth]

?

[summer maple]

Im talking bout in casual play a light with info by themselfs going to dominate a game

[patent wharf]

Someone who's going to dominate the game is going to do so with any class. I'd rather lights running around with walls than lights running around with invis personally

[summer maple]

They are gonna be running around with both thats problem

[patent wharf]

It makes them more of a threat sure - but think of it from your team's perspective. A light is more viable because they can give information to the rest of your team

[summer maple]

Then what would meduim niche be healbot or trapper , light has 1v1, info, destruction, and mobility ,heavy just has destruction and crowd control , light would be bust if they had a lil bit of survivability it feel like we are giving them everything

[patent wharf]

It's all about making them a more useful class, giving players a reason to choose them over medium or heavy in a competitive setting

[summer maple]

And not everyone plays rank so what about the casual where everyone plays light and no team work barely what then

[patent wharf]

Light players are probably the loudest members of the community - I mean take the 3+ C4 nerfs that occurred throughout the last season. Personally I think that they should've replaced the light's invis ability with the recon senses because my problem throughout all of last season was the constant taser and shotgun abuse that I copped. That's my problem though as I'm someone who doesn't play a lot of ranked, but people who ONLY play ranked never have issues with lights because they're just not as strong as the other two options.

I'm sure that playstyle is fun as hell though, which is why they're not gonna remove it. All the recon stuff on medium was like a cherry on top of a really good class. You could use a medium to defend a point with turrets, heal and revive team mates, and give intel to your team. Light though? All of their kit was just designed to kill enemies and provide very little utilitiy

[heavy citrus]

Do you guys know how to play on the test servers?

[summer maple]

I feel likey light is gonna have hard time in rank regardless unless they have more survivability but if they do give them intel wouldnt it be a good idea to tune the weapons down a bit

[lilac swift]

I never really used invis on light, just grapple and dash, and tbh s2 is a buff to grapple light with the new gateways. What upset me most about invis was that I could 100% KNOW that there is a light, coming from this direction, coming out of this hallway, and still lose because I can't exactly hit what I can't see

Invis should have more focus on actually sneaking and less mid-combat use

that's why i used to run vanish bomb before they added the sound cue to that

and tbh i couldn't really use recon to deal with them anyway because i just couldn't make out the blurry outlines 7/10 times

[patent wharf]

This is the part where a light main comes in and says you should buy headphones because it's so easy to see and hear exactly where an invis light is 😵‍💫

[lilac swift]

NO BECAUSE I LITERALLY KNOW WHERE HE IS BUT HE STILL KILLS ME BECAUSE I JUST CANT FIND THE PIXELS

i might just be blind but i never had an issue seeing invis in halo

[restive plover]

I mean...

[patent wharf]

I think it'd be so much better if they just removed the sound que and made the invis slightly less... hard to see. Like it halo ^

[timber tartan]

Respectfully if u use invis ur zesty me personally I main the mp5 (xp 54) and the dash (I turned the game into apex don't hate me)

I found out how to do 180 turns in the dash

[lilac swift]

yeah i would agree with that, when i can hear a light coming with invis that i wouldn't be able to hear if it was uncloaked that's just kind of disappointing

[timber tartan]

Like full wrap arounds (which isn't normally possible because the dash only goes normal directions and can't curve)

[cedar pond]

famas is abiut to be goated guys i love medium class

[lilac swift]

i know dash is supposed to be "better" but i just cannot get into the mindset of using it properly especially with the mp5, i only use it with shotgun and sword

[timber tartan]

Such a w I love the scar

[patent wharf]

Burst rifles are my favourite type of weapon in games - it's so over for y'all

[lilac swift]

even the dagger, i have better luck by using grapple to backstab where i'm not expected to be

[timber tartan]

Dms (u don't have to I just wanna show u a clip)

[patent wharf]

I can never get the dagger to work well - maybe it's just an internet issue though :((

[lilac swift]

oh no it's miserable. i haven't gotten more than 5 kills in a game with it. but it's still fun

[cedar pond]

nah fuh real!

[patent wharf]

I do really good at the start of matches, then everyone switches on and it's really hard to get kills

[lilac swift]

the worst part about the dagger is that when you start the right click, you stop sprinting. so if you are chasing somebody and go to backstab them, you will slow down and they will sprint away while you're stuck in animation

[patent wharf]

As a tip, I'd say to jump just before you right click because you'll keep that running speed for longer

[timber tartan]

Ok tip for this is at the start don't use all your energy and focus trying to get kills especially as a light I personally always go for kills as a light but I realized that's why I'm dying, as a light u should mainly be finishing kills (unless u have stun gun + good movement) and as soon as a cash out starts that's when u use your focus

Most people won't play seriously until the middle of the game because that's when it gets serious

[patent wharf]

Oh I don't have issues with the light generally - it's the class I play when I get fed up with getting rinsed as a heavy player and wanna get some kills

The scoped smg (can't remember the name right now) has given me some of my highest fragging games. I'm trying to prove that you don't have to use the invis, tazer, and shotgun combo to be successful at light 😤

[timber tartan]

It depends here's how I use light and my build (I would recommend this it's kinda broken)

[patent wharf]

So help me god if you start with invis and tazer

[timber tartan]

I run Mp5 (scoped smg), stun gun *not to be anoyying I just like to stun and do crazy movement) dash (for better dodging and easy wrap arounds) and any grenades

[lilac swift]

well now that sonar and gateway are coming to light i'll likely be running glitch, sonar, and gateway to be ultimate support (i used to run glitch, vanish, and incin)

[timber tartan]

Only time I'll use stun is if I'm in a closeup place where if I try to run ill die so I stun and beam

No disrespect but if u use invisible your horrible at the game u either use it bc u can't aim or u just know you'll get cooked

[lilac swift]

i just dislike being stunned so much i don't run it anymore, doesn't really help against something like an fcar or lewis anyway since you just get outdps'd

[timber tartan]

Easy counter

If someone has an fcar throw a fire grenade

[lilac swift]

using combat invis i've seen pretty well to get free shots, but yeah it's just better to have dash

[timber tartan]

I literally js stun them and run around them and beam

And that's what the dash is for to

[patent wharf]

I just think using the standard invis combo is lazy - it's free kills and is a pretty lame way to play the game

[timber tartan]

Fr

[lilac swift]

i remember when the biggest complaint was invis shotgun

[timber tartan]

And the flamethrower

[lilac swift]

did they stealth change the shotgun or something? i feel like i can't hit my shots with it anymore

[patent wharf]

I'm still not a fan of that tbh

[lilac swift]

flamethrower was miserable to play against in beta

[timber tartan]

More recoil I think

[patent wharf]

They changed the pellet damage from 12-10 ( 70% sure on those numbers)

[lament frost]

Any1 got the ttk numbers for the new guns

[timber tartan]

The suppressed pistol (forgot name) was broken and still is it takes only 11 headshots (less if ur closer) to kill a big

Which is lowkey broken because of how fast it shoots and it takes like 5 shots to kill light

[lilac swift]

i'm fine with the v9s tbh since it's just an alternative to the mp5 (i wish i could click faster though)

[timber tartan]

S2 is out already?

[lilac swift]

if i had image perms i would post a fake steam update on #💥┇spawn-point just to cause more confusion

[coral charm]

Thoughts on riot shield and health gun gaming?

Any?

[timber tartan]

THERES A NEW PISTOL?

[coral charm]

WHAT

[timber tartan]

Oh yall are doomed and I mean cooked. Yall gave me a pistol with a stock only which means it's probably the automatic pistol

And if it is all I wanna say is idc how good u are (hide all usernames because if I see u in my game your getting clipped)

Any game with an automatic pistol I'm mailing

[slender hollow]

stfu you're embarrising

[coral charm]

Jokes on you, i play spy. You arent gonna find me

Invisible with a dagger

[timber tartan]

Y so mad

[slender hollow]

siege

[timber tartan]

Tf bro had no reason to commet that bro mad at me cs he having a bad day

[coral charm]

Dont give em reasons mate

[timber tartan]

Go take yo shit out on someone else lil bro 😭🙏

[slender hollow]

🙏 atleast somebody knows what im yappin abt

[timber tartan]

[coral charm]

Just be chill. Not important enough to keep it going. Keep talking about what You wanna talk about

[timber tartan]

Well anyways yeah its a machine pistol

[coral charm]

Like uzi fast? Or simply a normal pistol firerate with full auto option

[timber tartan]

Idk yet

THERES A TELEPORT GADGET HOLY THEY COOKED

[coral charm]

WHAT

FOR WHO?!

[vivid nymph]

👍

[timber tartan]

Light class

The auto pistol and gateway is for light class (here comes the invisible light knife users teleportin everywhere)

[lilac swift]

you didn't watch the trailer yet?

[timber tartan]

Who?

[lilac swift]

unless s2 just dropped?

[timber tartan]

Not yet but I'm hitting diamond this season

[lilac swift]

that's what i told myself last season 😭

at some point the game just stopped showing me how much rank i gained/lost from matches

[coral charm]

Thats exactly what im doing. Playing freakin spy with teleporters is gonna be fun

[timber tartan]

Do not let me catch you in cash out 🙏😭

[astral spindle]

GOD GAME

[spice spruce]

Give heavy a morph ball 👍

[hearty bramble]

YES

[restive plover]

ye

[thorn roost]

Interested to seeing how the item converter thing is going be to play with and against

[restive frost]

Yo it still didn’t drop

[shut bane]

New heavy slug shotty looks like it could be fun if accurate, im wondering if getting headshots with it will be a hassle

[sharp kite]

Shotguns dont have headshot damage

[shut bane]

The new slug should from what I’m seeing

Current shotguns don’t for sure but there’s no way the upcoming ks-23 wont

[sharp kite]

I would be way too op if it had

[rich vigil]

anybody know what time the season drops???

[sharp kite]

No idea

[shut bane]

Mayhaps but it only makes sense if it did, plus it’d require aim on the heavies part lol, slug seems to be a projectile too so it won’t be easy to hit the headshots

[sharp kite]

I mean it already one shots lights to headshot dmg would be too op

[shut bane]

Yeah It would be for lights lol

Heavies won’t stand a chance though if the lights were running cloak or even dash

[sharp kite]

Yea not fun as a light main. It probaply need 1 shot and quick melee for mediums and 2 shots or 2 shots and quick melee for heavy

[plush rock]

please fix the reloading of the 1887 shotgun, it always inserts 1 more round than it should due to which the reload increases significantly

[edgy quail]

Season 2?

When is season 2

[mild venture]

I think adding in a deployable live camera that could be watched on the users screen as HUD, like a streamers cam 🙂

[kind mauve]

GIVE A BOW FOR MEDIUM CLASS PLEASE UWU

[cosmic harbor]

Why are people obsessed with bows

[glad fractal]

no pls

[slim linden]

boys, will have a video up of all the new weapons data and more, its a shame its not up now, but i didnt have early access :( anyways yeah will be up very very very soon!!!

[twilit panther]

lf1 cas

[soft latch]

Make a holy hand grenade skin plz

[dawn glen]

We will only have one c4 now😭

[somber python]

CHAT IS THIS REAL?!?!

[proper shale]

Yes

[dawn glen]

Yes, they replaced recon senses

[somber python]

PEEEEAAAAAKK

[cosmic sandal]

do yall know what it does?

[somber python]

Lets you delete walls instantly so you can ambush people

[cosmic sandal]

🔥

[rain ravine]

instead of having recon senses making you see through walls, it actually makes you see through walls

I absolutely love the whole "you didn't want wall hack, right? RIGHT?" 😆

[echo crest]

instead of wallhacks you get to hack the wall

genius tbh

[narrow bane]

omfg nice one

[open orbit]

did they nerf the r 357 with the max range damage fall off?

[hasty cloak]

No flamethrower buff 😭😭😭

[patent bloom]

OMG THEY MOVED TRACKING DART FROM MEDIUM TO LIGHT

they listen to community

[sweet valve]

Sonar Grenade - Moved from the Medium archetype to the Light
Well, that sucks... One of the things I really enjoy on medium =/

Also, I get that reducing the C4 count will help prevent nukes, but damn... It also heavily nerfs defensive setups like quickly destroying staircases

Some seriously odd changes amongst all the great ones 😦

[patent bloom]

Nah not really, medium has already too much of goods, let the lights shine for noww

• now light will have the option of being supportive, not just offensive

[sweet valve]

Isn't that kind of their whole thing? Medium is gadgets 😅

[patent bloom]

Medium was too ideal) while light was the least used

They are trying to rebalance it so the usage of each class is close to equal

I think they are gonna do this every month, and each month the meta is going to change

[sweet valve]

I certainly hope they don't.
Something as fundamental as the gadgets each class has available shouldn't change.
I love The Finals, but if this is a regular occurrence, it's going to piss me off

Balance changes I understand, and fixing a few misplaced gadgets sure, but changing them to encourage use of other classes... That just ruins the enjoyment of players who like that class

"Too much fun" should never be a reason to change something.
They should be taking a look at Light and finding a way to make them more enjoyable

[patent bloom]

I dont think that sonars are the core of medium tbh

Their core gadgets are aps and defib

[unkempt cypress]

Recon medium was a large piece of medium support, medium will be really weak rn

[sweet valve]

They were for me.
Why not just give sonar to both Light and Medium?

[unkempt cypress]

Yes I second this. Motion sensors needed an aoe or hp buff and medium needed to keep sonar nades for support. I would like both classes to have the dart since it’s under used either way

[patent bloom]

Dunno, time will tell. Considering that they listened to my complain about the tracking dart and REALLY moved it.. (which i didnt expect from them lol) they might listen to you aswell

[unkempt cypress]

Do we just give feedback here?

[patent bloom]

I dont think so... Defibs + healing beam are still a thing, y know

[unkempt cypress]

Light was fine and so was medium. The exchange of intel gadgets is a large blow to medium, esp with the reduction of recon specialization. There is now no counter for invis aside from other lights

[patent bloom]

I did when i realised how tracking dart sucked while being given to mediums ( and suggested moving it ot lights)

[unkempt cypress]

Defib got a huge nerf and healing beam is good but not enough to negate a whole playstyle

[unkempt cypress]

Light is a good choice for dart. Reinforces the hit and run and lets light easily get one off picks

honestly I would like for tracking to be buffed. They should make it like motion sensor, and have it ping a certain (small and conditional) radius around the affected individual.

[sweet valve]

I certainly hope they're not trying to nudge everyone into this gameplay.
Being able to recon and sonar was a great tool
Being able to spot enemies and then also ping them for allies with the nade was a great alternative to just healing...

Although, I admit, I haven't used recon senses since the range nerf - mostly just the nades 😅

[unkempt cypress]

Yes, this is what I’m saying. If the finals needs to move a whole playstyle to another class to motivate playin that class, they will go down the route of the 1.5x scope on r6, which is not fun

[unkempt cypress]

It is still good. I have played against them. Not particularly fun to play against but not extremely oppressive either.

[normal saddle]

This new heavy gun lmao

Imo quite difficult to use against hit scan weapons

Are any other weapons projectile apart from grenade launchers?

[viscid solstice]

fcar nerf?

[plush quiver]

I think it was a range buff for both fcar and akm

[proud schooner]

It's a bit weird that level 7 skins are rare when level 6 skins are epic. Level 7 skins also don't really look on par with level 6. (they look arguably worse than lvl 6)

[restive plover]

The opposite actually.

[plush quiver]

Yeah I just checked, why nerf akm when it’s already the underdog?

[noble minnow]

maybe stungun? not sure tbh

[wise briar]

So they removed my favourite Tracking Dart and gave it to fucking light. LIGHT? FUCK!

[orchid light]

yeah it was in a perfect spot before

[golden adder]

If you ignore hitscan’s dominance over melee and projectile sure, perfect

[strange trout]

Why does the jackpot juggle for my akm keep unequiping itself

[proud schooner]

in case anyone's wondering: you can't push the cashout station into the gateway by any means

[strange trout]

Expected

[bronze igloo]

thx

[somber osprey]

@tender badger lit i like the new gadgets

[tender badger]

really which one @somber osprey

[somber osprey]

Thje one that makes it go boom

[tender badger]

sheet i think i know what your talking about

[somber osprey]

I gotta type alot to join a voice chat to play with others, sorry, @tender badger

[bronze igloo]

keep chatting

[somber osprey]

@tender badger its litter then a bitter

[strange trout]

What's that sirenhead ass noise mean

[strange trout]

Does anyone know why the jackpot juggle reload animation for my akm keep unequiping itself

[onyx moat]

Maiby restart. The gamegame?

[mellow lodge]

is the famas worth using over the fcar?

[heavy surge]

I understand why c4 was nerfed, but were mines enough of a hot button issue for them to be nerfed when unprimed? The only build I see even utilize that is with the cl-40 on med. Also now that recon sense is gone you cant really use it to preemptively delete lights any more

[granite hull]

Both solid guns honestly one thing about the FCAR i hate getting the dude to 1hp and then reloading

[mellow lodge]

famas just seems like it punishing you much hard for missing than the fcar

also kinda annoying to keep button pushing instead of hold fire

idk maybe i've already made my mind up and just wanting to see the good side of the famas, and maybe wait for the numbers

[sweet badger]

will there be any compensation for the progression of the removed from the game sonar and recon?

[granite hull]

Trueee it is tapping all the time and you are shooting burst shots so it is more punishing

[mellow lodge]

the recoil also feels more difficult to control compared to the fcar

[granite hull]

I didn’t feel any recoil for the famas maybe i need to use it again

[mellow lodge]

maybe i'm thinking of the burst pistol

[astral acorn]

so.... what was the thought behind giving all the scanning gadgets from medium to light? i dont think what medium was given exactly makes up for that. plus the medium description still says it specializes in scanning and now they have no tools to do so

light has 14 gadgets now.... it just seems weird

[granite hull]

I think they did this to help the light class out cause they didn’t have a lot of supportive utilities. I’m not sure why they did it but that’s my guess

[golden adder]

Being worried about light having too much (they still aren’t viable) while medium can now ignore walls is ironic.

[acoustic mulch]

FAMAS not good

[astral acorn]

light already had its own scan tech it feels weird to take away mediums and give it to light. also the famas is great

[golden adder]

Light being recon oriented makes sense though. Dematerializer I’ve been preaching is going to be even worse than recon sense (as in worse for the health of the game)

[astral acorn]

i suppose it does. but feels bad having things taken away from my main class i guess

[granite hull]

Yeahhh it does suck i always had recon as a medium but sadly i have to change my ways

[astral acorn]

also i dont htink dematerialzier is any worse than explosives. you can only use it 3 times in succesion

in terms of "ignoring" walls

[sweet valve]

They need to learn how to buff a class without nerfing another.
I know it seems minor, but this "solution" is ruining my confidence in the devs...
Just give both classes the gadget?
Or find some other way to make Light more enjoyable

[mellow lodge]

is it just me or does the burst pistol just really suck?

i was in firing and it took 18 body shots for heavy to die out of it's 21 round mag

[golden adder]

@astral acorn
3 is a lot, the cooldown is also very low.

Medium never had a good destruction tool besides mines and for good reason.

being able to create your own head glitch sightlines when you have the fcar is way too good.

[granite hull]

i thought it was pretty good close range? ( i haven’t tried it yet)

[mellow lodge]

seems good against light and medium

same amount of bursts as famas

just seems really bad at long range when i used it

[granite hull]

Yeahhh it does suck long range of what i seen so far

[mellow lodge]

it's got too much recoil imo

[strange trout]

Didn't work

[mellow lodge]

also anyone got any clue when the spreadsheets will be updated?

[mellow lodge]

i've had the same problem with all my inspects and reload animations

[strange trout]

Ah I see

Is there a new noise for when both ur teammates die? I keep hearing this siren sound

[granite hull]

I hear new sounds too but idk what it is

[tidal hollow]

How does the new mastery level skin look?

For weapons and gadgets

[granite hull]

You mean the level 7 one?

I think it’s stripped or something i lowkey forgot

[tidal hollow]

Ya

Striped?

[olive quarry]

ok

[strange trout]

Uuuhhh I keep getting teammates who don't know how to rez

[granite hull]

Yes striped my bad

[slim linden]

I NEED TESTERS
A2KT - LOBBY CODE

PLEASE DONT KILL ME OR ITZ_LILVENOM

[quartz wolf]

Spamchatsforconteatantrolebtwhymakevoicechatimmediatelyavailablewhenfuckyou

[jovial yew]

Lf1 s1 d1

[terse raptor]

As embark stated they will make a revamp to recon and it will return later, sonar grenade and tracking darts have not been removed but rather relocated to the light class

[blissful temple]

I like the new gadgets

[terse raptor]

Same

[tight hinge]

Same

Although the new guns seem a little weak

[terse raptor]

Imo the damask might be a little to strong

[radiant python]

question could someone explain in more detail about this

[north quail]

takes three secs to revive?

it literally explains it

you rez and they take 3 secs to come back...

[terse raptor]

So when you defib it basically auto revives over a three second period and can only be interupted by a team while (ignore the other guy it's kind of confusing)

[north quail]

^ common sense ngl just read

[terse raptor]

Please try to be more polite it can be confusing for some people

[north quail]

well those people are indeed not smarter then a 5th grader

[loud mural]

nah go away let people ask question

[terse raptor]

Just so this is fair I'm going to warn you if you say something like that again I will get a community manager

[radiant python]

is it a kind of immunity

[terse raptor]

No previously the defib would install revive now you pop a defib and they start an auto revive process that takes three seconds and you don't need to be actively reviving them for it to work it kind of sucks (in my opinion) because they still spawn in at half health

[golden adder]

It seems like it’s a big change but it’s a slap on the wrist for how monumentally impactful defib is

[terse raptor]

I think it would be fine if your teammates respawn at full health for defib but because they dont its kinda meh

[radiant python]

So if the opposing team has squad wiped just after the defib will it still allow for. the dead teammate to come back or ?

[upper quail]

I like gun

[golden adder]

That’d be horrible

[radiant python]

because that feels really undere powered

[terse raptor]

I don't know I want to test it though

[terse raptor]

Not with the three second defib rez

[radiant python]

it make up for the debuff but it would be to over powered which will probably make the game a little unfair

[radiant python]

sadly private matches are minium 6 players

[terse raptor]

Yeah idk why I think it should be min of 2

[radiant python]

true

[golden adder]

It’s already too strong right now. It went from 40% to 50% health which was unnecessary.

It’s invaluable at high level play to revive a teammate in the middle of a fight, and that wasn’t changed.

[thick valve]

The gateway, does it bounce more than once? And does it have concrete timer that’s known yet?

[terse raptor]

It was nessisary otherwise it would be useless also the counter to defib is plant a mine at the players death totem

[golden adder]

You’re invulnerable when you spawn still

[gilded shoal]

gas mine on totems was necessary and still didn't really counter it much

[golden adder]

If all defib did was reduce the time it took to hold interact to revive, it’d still be a good thing to run.

[mint karma]

I think the Famas could be rly good if people get rly consistent at hitting shots/headshots. Its def more punishing than FCAR and AK but I think you could get some good return on it.

[gilded shoal]

as a Medium main, I would rather it just weren't in the game.

[terse raptor]

I wouldn't run it if that's all it did

[golden adder]

That’s a huge improvement over always needing to run it

[terse raptor]

No it isn't it's just as bad

[radiant python]

i was about to ask is there spawn immunity because i always here complaints from my duo always screaming after i defib him he get killed straight away (He's a Light) 😂

[golden adder]

It competes with grenades and the like, shouldn’t be an earth-shattering tool

[mint karma]

I think its in a better spot now for sure

Havent played with it yet tho. The slighly increased charge-up time looks like its gonna be annoying for my muscle memory.

[terse raptor]

But it needs a little buff to make it more viable

[north quail]

womp womp

[mint karma]

idk. Like toaster said, its competing with like grenades and stuff.

[golden adder]

come back in a week and it’s still going to be a must pick gadget for medium

[radiant python]

true but it still an unnecessary debuff

[mint karma]

I cannot stress how necessary it was

[golden adder]

It didn’t go far enough. This is like arguing the fcar needs a buff

[radiant python]

what wrong with the fcar

[golden adder]

It’s the best gun in the game

[radiant python]

why is that ?

[radiant python]

everyone ive been playing with says otherwise but i still use it

[mint karma]

It was a straight must pick. Defib chaining could get bad at times

[mint karma]

It is, yea

[golden adder]

As of s2 it’s definitively better than everything else

[mint karma]

or at least it was last season idk if the meta has changed somehow

[terse raptor]

Yes it is because it is a support tool just as the healing beam competes with turret

[radiant python]

i wanna check out the famas

[terse raptor]

So do I from the looks of things it may be a little bit overpowered

[radiant python]

is it scoped?

[terse raptor]

No but it has a fast ttk for its range

[mint karma]

I played for like 10 min this morning. I like using it personally. Its like a mix between the FCAR and revolver if that makes sense. Longer range and benifits from tracking like the FCAR, but is a lot more punishing in a similar way to the revolver.

[radiant python]

so is it a automatic rifle ?

[mint karma]

yeah auto burst

[terse raptor]

Yeah and it has crazy range

[mint karma]

Its def not op tho IMO

[radiant python]

auto? i tho it semi

[mint karma]

Like you can hold down click and it fires bursts. Sorry I wasnt very clear.

[terse raptor]

I meant compared to the only other burst weapon

[mint karma]

Even then, I think we'll find a lot more burst pistols in comp than FAMAS

[terse raptor]

I doubt that being that the burst pistol is locked to the light and does less damage (allegedly) than the famas

[terse raptor]

Just don't say I didn't warn you if you get banned

[mint karma]

well I meant there will be a higher % of lights playing burst than mediums playing burst. But we'll have to see.

[terse raptor]

I think that the famas might just be the best medium weapon (not including the fcar) in the game

[upper quail]

idk what half of the guns do

[terse raptor]

Then you should probably go to the practice range and find out which one is your cup of tea

[fiery quiver]

Pls add a bow in the future 🥺

[hot anchor]

Did they refund my recon O.o

I want moneys to buy new thing

[carmine helm]

I'm bummed they stole a C4 charge from my stache

Damn nuke heads ruined it for everybody 😂

[hot anchor]

They shall just replace recon with the new thing,

its acceptable for resetting the exp of that item but i dont want to buy again lol

[hot anchor]

they better remove that trash
Its totally trash for now

[tight hinge]

.

[carmine helm]

They might very well bring it back in the future

[carmine helm]

I mean it still serves it's purpose, I'm still able to break floors and ceilings, and to leave it next to the cash out.

[hot anchor]

use Dematerializer

[carmine helm]

I just won't be able to deal a whole lot of damage to the enemy thief while he's stealing so I will need to stay closer to the cash out. Beside that, it's an intentional move to shift the meta

[hot anchor]

rip c4

[mint karma]

I definetly think that could be the case

[hot anchor]

med bust got low dps, tried the light one and its great

[carmine helm]

Heavies don't have the dematerializer? Or do they?

[terse raptor]

They dont

[hot anchor]

they dont, i mean, use med :>

[carmine helm]

Right, so the C4 is still a very viable option to for demolition

[hot anchor]

havent use the anti grav yet in real games, no coins for that atm :<

But i tried in shooting range its so slow...
I expect its horizon bruh

[spice socket]

@river ibex spreadsheet update when ? if you need help testing i would help ya

[river ibex]

I get to figuring it out

[carmine helm]

I tried it a couple of times and It definitely has its purpose, I'm just curious to find out what it actually is... I'm sure the community will find plenty of different ways to use it

[hot anchor]

its cd is good
i think it may be good for blowing the cashout thing in last few second

[tight hinge]

Besides “bad jump pad” idk, it is kinda fun tho

[spice socket]

also m60 buff??? kinda hype

[river ibex]

Wait it got buffed?

[tight hinge]

New main instead of lewis gun now fs

[hot anchor]

and u cant kill that grav

[spice socket]

yeah it got a big recoil change and the more u spray it the more accurate it gets

lewis got the like reverse of that so its less accurate on long sprays

[river ibex]

Bruh, the one thing i didn't want changed, I spent so much time practicing the recoil lol

[carmine helm]

I get that the version we got makes more sense but I would have also liked it to be multi-directional, so that if we threw it on a wall, the gravity would effect it's surroundings horizontally, and if we threw it on the ceiling the gravity would double and everything would be heavier and move slower

[spice socket]

oh well then rip

[river ibex]

THEY BUFFED THE FCAR????\

[restive plover]

Fcar and akm both got range nerfs.

[hot anchor]

🤮

[river ibex]

oh yeah u right i read it wrong, i just woke up kinda dumb rn

[pine grail]

Why is the shotgun so bad

[hot anchor]

new one?

[pine grail]

Yea

[tight hinge]

That would be really cool, you could use it to make grenade shots around corners and whatnot

[hot anchor]

its cool imo
if u aim fire its so accurate

[pine grail]

it 3 taps heavy’s and meds so they have time to beat you with literally any other gun

Give it a headshot or something cuz from my testing it had no headshot hitbox

[hot anchor]

this game no have headshot for all shotgun

[tight hinge]

All the new guns seem to be a little underpowered, the pistol seems the best imo

[pine grail]

My point but that’s the prob it does no dmg so even the lights shotgun wins

[restive plover]

It makes sense for the pellet guns, but the ks23 is a slugger so I think an exception should be made.

[pine grail]

if it had headshot it could actually do something it’s a slug it is t even normal

[hot anchor]

yea, but just relatively...

[pine grail]

I think the famas isreally good

[restive plover]

No, the double barrel is still worse. 3 shots with a reload thrown in.

[pine grail]

it has really reliable kill time at range

[hot anchor]

feature

[sweet badger]

correct me if I'm wrong, but i think the cloak should have charges. it's an ability,it shouldn't be almost a permanent state of the entire class, with infinite swaps before and after killing. dematerializer has 3 charges, and a pretty long cooldown. the ability to be invisible (which now has no counterpick) should work in a similar way. it should be a TACTICAL ELEMENT, NOT A FULL-FLEDGED GAME STYLE. their impunity is especially strong after the patch. you almost can't beat a team of three smalls, it's such an easy win

[humble flicker]

the cloak really isnt that good

[warm seal]

famas vs akm vs fcar S2?

[pine grail]

Yea you can see them pretty easy man you sure you just aren’t blind?👀

and even if you can’t they are squishy they die to easy to really be dominant it’s heavy medium all the way

[forest musk]

Famas

[warm seal]

feel like light really bust you up close with that slow famas

[honest root]

if playing with a stack
fcar > famas > akm

solo
akm > fcar > famas

[thorn widget]

ill try it in 4 mins, i have the coins, just waiting for update to finish, ill let ya know

[warm seal]

Feel like I always need 1 bullet to kill with fcar, so I usually go akm. But might just be me.
Why the difference of weapon in regard to team?

[thorn widget]

its less that the cloak by itself is good, its more how many supporting items light has, that the permutations get very hard to counter. Light cloak stun, with a mp5 or a pistol, even sword, normally means a kill.

[honest root]

if you have a stack you play with the team, so fcar becomes more viable

also fcar is not a great weapon at high ping

[sullen hazel]

bring back the tracking dart to meduim what is wreong with ur dev team

[golden adder]

Biggest non-issue in the game rn

[sullen hazel]

games are suppose to be fun made it way less fun so if they wanna die oput

[golden adder]

Tracking dart was never good or worth using. It’s maybe slightly more so worth using on light

[pure quiver]

The portal definitely needs way more range

It feels like I can just sprint and parkour to where I wanna go and the distance to where you throw and when it activates in are is pretty much half a mediums jump pad

[split bolt]

Why did they have to change the recoil pattern for the heavy machine guns? Lewis is so ass now

[woeful agate]

ks23 feels like it doesnt hit hard enough for its damage

[strange trout]

I swear when I try to close a hole with the dematerializer it uses a charge but doesnt close

[mild shard]

fcar still best weapon for medium?

[barren star]

Ok imagine you have 3 lights one with portal and 2 invis on and you have a portal on cash out now you can just instant kill everyone and go back through portal (use stun gun to optimize dmg) do you think it needs a buff now?

[mild shard]

imho

[barren star]

I think cause it got buffed

[mild shard]

yes, it seems op

[shut bane]

ngl, the ks-23 feels very situational, while I get why they made it so it couldnt headshot, you miss one shot and its joever depending on your rival. I think theyll either allow headshots or increase fire rate

[barren star]

I haven’t tried out the famas tho

[mild shard]

famas is really bad at this moment

[barren star]

Damn

I was really hoping that light was gonna get nerfed this update so that games weren’t filled with brain dead taser spammers with invis

And also I was hoping for a flamethrower nerf cause every heavy I see just spams flamethrower with no skill

[green kite]

wouldn't say bad, u just gotta make sure your shots hit

[brisk pagoda]

That antigrav cube is fun, though I think the radius needs a bit of an expansion. Like enemies can float right out really fast

[ripe pebble]

i rarely see flamethrowers

[green kite]

cant spray and pray the same way you would with an AKM or FCAR

[mild shard]

yes ok, but is not meta

[barren star]

I have never seen a match without some brain dead person spamming flame thrower

[shut bane]

so much brain death, how about brain life

[strange trout]

Bro un hacking the environment is so inconsistent

[ripe pebble]

literally see more hammers and grenade launchers, which are worse imo

[green kite]

You're right, it should either have a better scope, lower ads time or higher damage

[barren star]

Like I was in a match and I watched a guy with flame thrower just stand still for 30 seconds just spamming flame…

[mild shard]

yes right, i think the same

[barren star]

Grenade launcher is better ngl cause you can outrange it or just be aggressive and hammers aren’t bad either because they have to get close to hit and you are faster than heavy

Plus those guns require some aim

[shut bane]

flamethrowers were barely an issue last I played, if one is on you and you focus on him youll typically win that fight unless you chose a terrible weapon

[green kite]

Simpy can't keep up with AKM if the other person can hit their shots about decebtly

[barren star]

Flamethrower isn’t even just spray and pray it’s just spray

[barren star]

Wait until you get a lobby with 3 flamethrowers and 3 lights

It’s the largest ammount of cancer known to man kind…

[shut bane]

just run away from the heavies lol, even if theyre on point if you place distance theyre done for

[barren star]

Then the lights just beam you 💀

[shut bane]

sounds like you got third partied lol

[barren star]

Lights ALWAYS third party with taser and invis

They are professional vultures bro💀

[shut bane]

that is their thing but theyre super weak so weapons that work up close and at medium ranges would be the sweetspot

[barren star]

And since they are a full team of lights they can’t even win cause they lack any tanking or utility for cash outs

[barren star]

Then the heavies just spam rpg on you or flamethrower you…

Its literal cancer

[shut bane]

just run tripple medium then and run some kind of heal beam strat

[barren star]

That’s not really that fun tho…

[shut bane]

mediums are arguably much more optimized for dealing with both lights and heavies

in that case youre free to run whatever you like but you cant blame everyone else for doing that either

[barren star]

They aren’t running whatever they want tho…

[shut bane]

tripple flamethrowers sounds like something a whole team agrees to run lol

[barren star]

The light strategy is based off of a video on YouTube…

[shut bane]

everything is based off videos on youtube man,

[barren star]

Yeah that’s something more of something they wonna run but it shouldn’t be op as hell

[restive plover]

What’s the current meta for light I’ve just picked the game back up after a while and wondering whether anything in the new season is op

[shut bane]

its not if you play around them

[barren star]

It’s a smg with invis and taser

But you can’t win with it cause you lack any utility at all…

[shut bane]

light meta is very subjective, try running whatever weapon you feel works best for you since theyre all just kinda different, the new 5v5 gamemode lets you switch at any time so you can try everything you have there, but for regular cashout missions tasers and disruption nades come in very handy for disrupting cashouts

[restive plover]

Ok Ty

[barren star]

I get that flamethrower is easy to counter if you play right but at the same time that requires me to not be aggressive and just snipe all game which ruins the fun

Cause I never encounter the flamethrower in the open instead in like buildings where they instantly jump on me and deal half my hp in 2 seconds

And when I win in close range I just die to the burn dmg

[shut bane]

no need to snipe, the range of a flamethrower is not far, any automatic weapon will work against them, the issue is inside tight buildings as always with heavies, once you have a point, never stay right next to it unless youre fortifying or trapping it

[brisk pagoda]

Why would you try to go close range against a flamethrower?

[barren star]

It’s not my choice…

Especially in Las Vegas

[shut bane]

las vegas is where it shouldnt be happening at all

[barren star]

In the parking lot they just drop down on me fym it shouldn’t be happening

[shut bane]

its the most open area map in the game, if verticality is an issue then you need to keep that in mind

[verbal verge]

I want to learn how to be better with the throwing knives. Any tips?

[shut bane]

honestly the throwing knives are all about leading your shots

only tip I can give is probably not to use the right mouse click to throw as the wind up is painfully long and youre better off throwing tons of em with the regular throws, hitting both knives deals similar damage anyway

[fickle zenith]

yo demat goes crazy

[onyx moat]

Ya

[solemn lion]

is the defib still usable after its nerf?

[golden adder]

It’s still a must pick

[solemn lion]

damn, was really hoping to have an excuse for not having defib on me

[hot swift]

Is the new burst pistol good

[upper saffron]

This ks23 needs fixing it's so weird sometimes it hits other times its suffering from the worst bloom I've seen on a gun in any game before

[restive plover]

@barren star they r easy to beam with low health,it's the invis that's the problem

[rich trench]

Haven’t played since like early January, is the lights db still viable?

[restive plover]

@spice socket anyone practise the akiba step with dagger?
U just have to get time of the dash right cause there is a slight delay when u dash and the direction u go.
So charge up the knife and release when u dash infront of them u can reach their back

[spice socket]

yeah i know the dagger tech, i honestly prefer not akiba stepping and turning my mouse because its more consistent, akiba step imo feels better for controller

not sure if u meant to at me but i answered anyways

[restive plover]

Do most people know about this trick?

How do the new circuits work as I was in the middle of the rookie in and now I’m on the ozpuse one even though I didny finish the first one

@spice socket have u seen that vid where this old guy 3 taps a revolver into burst firing it?
Light class should have it.
It's accurate unless u do high recoil burst fire

[spice socket]

no havent seen it and i dont think a lot of people know akiba step

[barren star]

That’s my point…

The length invis can go for makes it actual cancer

[shy hazel]

add a bazooka

[hollow idol]

plz give a glitch grenade to a medium im begging

[potent ledge]

thats the rocket launsher

[barren star]

Medium has a glitch mine?

[soft juniper]

I’m not sure if people have said this but I think medium should have kept there Sonar Grendade that way every class has a recon based ability

[slender magnet]

I don't know if someone has mentioned it already, but data reshaper has the following pattern: smoke->goo->flame->gas->propane->smoke (credit to @wheat spindle for providing images to corroborate this)

[spice socket]

gravity drop mentioned that in his video, he played the beta so his info dropped a day before season 2

there's probably more tech to figure out though, i know u can do stuff mid air

[restive plover]

@spice socket I want the devs to add a bow and arrow for mediums.
A rope for medium that doesn't pull like light but makes u swing and increase ur momentum and wall run with rope.
Add crossbow with explosive bolt that stick to walls and explodes with delay with little damage for light class.
Make the light class dagger have an attack with 100damage when using secondary attack falling from a height but have the knife come off from enemy's back after 0.85 sec so enemy team can get u and it's not op.
It's needed as the sword does consistent high damage from any angle.
Remove light invis ability and add wall running,proper double jumps and wall jumping.

[red torrent]

for the new medium spec, ow do I refill a wall when I use my final iuse

[slender magnet]

I have no idea who that is, but I'll check his videos out. Thanks for sharing.

[spice socket]

gravitydrop

[restive plover]

@spice socket what do u think of my comment about medium?

[barren star]

I don’t think the light crossbow should be explosive since light is meant to be dps not explosive

[restive plover]

I said low damage and it's gimmick is that it stick to surfaces,also add poison only if it hits enemy

[barren star]

It still doesnt make sense with light…

If anything bow should be light and explosive crossbow should be medium

[sage drum]

how do i use the data reshaper like what can it be good for

[barren star]

Getting rid of mines and turreys

[restive plover]

Actually bow takes time to load so by the time u load the bow light with low health will die and medium can tank a little.
I doubt Devs will put it in medium it already has noob tube and with poison mine combo it's op

[spice socket]

don't know, i dont really think too much about new additions like that, but lets hope the devs cook u psome cool stuff

[red torrent]

i think the data reshaper should be more versatile like maybe they can turn debris into like chairs or smt just a small thing

[restive plover]

@barren star at least decrease fire rate if turret

[knotty vale]

Will it be possible to still get the dart board charm?

[pine grail]

Just gotta set up a bit take random stuff pile it on then boom u have ammo for data reshape

anyone found a useful way to use the new shotgun yet

[red torrent]

left click

[void crypt]

right click

[terse raptor]

You don't you need at least one use left in order to refill a wall

[red torrent]

yeah I doidnt realise it took up one usage nvm

[barren star]

You speak like everything you say is confirmed…

[restive plover]

@barren star if u think about it that's how classes work

[barren star]

Also light has sniper and bow seems like a longer ranged weapon so I doubt you would die before charging

[barren star]

No cause light doesn’t do explosives…

[restive plover]

Light already has long range so medium needs it more

The bow

[barren star]

Mediums guns on average have the highest range tho?

I think a rifle makes more sense to add to medium

A bow just makes more sense on light than a crossbow does on light

They can both have bows but an explosive crossbow doesn’t make sense on light

[restive plover]

L@barren star listen I mean u have to think about drop of the arrow and charge it for more range and damage its a mix between light sniper and throwing knife for medium long range

[barren star]

I’m just trying to say explosive crossbow makes negative sense on light…

[restive plover]

@barren star look at farcry4 auto cross

Ok poison crossbow

[barren star]

I mean makes some sense but that makes more sense on medium because that would be more of a utility

But that’s better than explosive crossbow on light

[restive plover]

@barren star u can't beat the medium grenade launcher it's direct impact and with mines combo it's op so light needs something

[barren star]

Light already has like half the guns and a lot of them deal more dps than the medium guns

Also grenade launcher has horrible dps lol

[green kite]

the grenadelaunchers only upside is the fact it deals aoe

[restive plover]

Not one explosive for light it's just a little damage with a slight delay.
Medium grenade launcher and 2 shot a light

[barren star]

yeah no aim required

[green kite]

kinda tho, cuzz the aoe is very loew

[barren star]

Taser plus light smg can instant kill a medium…

[restive plover]

U at least need aim for crossbow for light

[barren star]

Also light is supposed to have no explosive weapons

[restive plover]

Taser can't stop launcher and it's up close

[barren star]

It slows firerate and slows turning speed

[green kite]

if you're a light, getting up close should not be a problem

[restive plover]

U don't need to aim of u can 2 shot a light Infront of u

[barren star]

If you lose to somebody tasered as a light you just suck as

[restive plover]

Unless u have noobtube

[barren star]

You can barely turn when zapped so why would the light stand in the mediums line of sight…

[barren star]

Tf is noobtube?

[restive plover]

@barren star it's grenade launcher cause u don't need to aim

[barren star]

When zapped you can’t hit the light because they aren’t going to stand still in your line of sight…

And it takes about 1 second to kil a zapped medium

[green kite]

U don't need aim for meelee wepaons, are those also for noobs??

[barren star]

If my math is right you physically can’t loose that as a medium….

[restive plover]

@green kite it's close range not long

[remote sable]

when you guys make recon senses return, give it to light and make it only detect mines, sentries, barricades, and other gadgets through walls instead of players

[green kite]

cool, same argument tho

stop being salty, grenade launcher is easy to counter

[restive plover]

@green kite u have low health with light melee and it's close range

[barren star]

Grenade launcher should be nerfed but it’s not as op as things like flamethrower

[green kite]

I have equal hours on both medium and light

I know

[restive plover]

@green kite noobtube is annoying

[barren star]

It is but it’s counterable as a light

If you’re a medium tho it’s hard to counter and it’s even worse if you’re heavy

[green kite]

I literally main sword on light, and switch between baton and grenade launcher on medium

[restive plover]

Most things r balanced but still some r just frustrating to deal with as a light

[barren star]

Bro is gonna quit the game when he sees flamethrower…

[green kite]

cool, that's good motivation to get better then

[green kite]

literally throws his keyboard through the monitor

[barren star]

Like yes grenade launcher is annoying and should be nerfed but it doesn’t make medium the best class because it’s easy to counter

[restive plover]

The only thing annoying with flamethrower is that it block vision up close

[barren star]

And deals 50 dps with extra dps over time….

And you can’t even dodge it because it’s got massive aoe

[green kite]

would say both the Ak and FCAR are way better

[barren star]

Yeah they can’t be countered they are just good guns but they are still balanced

[sharp berry]

if I read the patch notes right, did they nerf the revolver again? shit sucks 😔

[barren star]

If you get unlucky with your load outs and end up with a guy with grenade launcher and don’t have any counters it can be really annoying

[restive plover]

@green kite if u r so used to melee so why not use dagger?

[barren star]

Very little range

[green kite]

yeah, they forgot to balance the new FAMAS tho

[barren star]

Is it op or smthn?

[terse raptor]

You unfortunately did they made a painfully mid weapon even worse

[restive plover]

@barren star u know what?!
Poison mines make grenade launcher a cancer combo 💀