💣┇weapons-gadgets

[sonic heron]

One of the worst designed gadgets in the game tbh

[south plume]

I feel like it should just stun for like 3.5 seconds and keep the moment thing same with the ads but allow the stunned person to use abilities

[soft juniper]

It’s currently at 3.75 seconds I would say lower it to 3sec or even 2.75 or base the stun on the class it’s effected by

[boreal laurel]

I like both of these ideas. I mostly hate stun gun because I mostly use melee or short-range weapons (read: flamethrower), which suffer disproportionately to stun gun compared to actual guns.

[chilly turret]

I say, make the FCAR recoil more punchy

[ocean lava]

I feel as if heal beam should be replaced with a drone type of ability that can heal or scout enemy’s as it would make much better use or the see though walls ability that the medium class has while also having the ability to heal without losing attacking capabilities but also can be shot down with the drone having like 100 so health with a 25-30 second cooldown

[forest delta]

Do you know witch level I need to be?

[midnight crow]

wtf is up with the sledgehammer snapping to people I'm not trying to hit

[formal lion]

Facts. Honestly a qol for the reload would be great.

[burnt gyro]

rpg peak

[viral axle]

has there been any talk about a tank on the map that explodes for healing?

[ripe night]

A harpoon gun for medium would be really cool as a gadget

[devout wind]

there is so much potential for this game if they do it right

[silk quarry]

Chain trap:
If an enemy walks over this trap they take 30 dmg and can only move 5 meters away from the trap the trap lasts 8 seconds and can be shot once activated.
Available for meduim and heavy.
Fists:
Available for heavy does inmense dmg to structures and does 180 damage to enemies within range (meelee). Also pusehes back said enemies. (2 charges)
Drill:
Attaches to a surface and emits a thermite effect which burns enemies on the other side of the surface and has a max penetration of 15 meter. Truly great for those corner campers.
Does 25 damage per tick. Available for medium and light.

[tulip nest]

what's the medium meta rn?

[clear sleet]

Hi!

@clear sleet Hi!

[sonic heron]

Heal Beam, FCAR and Defib. Pick your preference of other two gadgets. Usually one movement.

[reef sage]

APS turret is extremely useful as well

[tulip nest]

fcar not ak?

[sonic heron]

FCAR is better than AK by quite a bit. Much faster ttk. It just needs good aim before it starts becoming op.
Honestly FCAR needa nerfed with how busted it is in top ranks.

[reef sage]

They have the same damage but the FCAR is more accurate and has little less recoil, akm though has more ammo so it's just a preference but yeah, FCAR will be better off in a long run

[tulip nest]

thanks guys!

[fervent walrus]

with the fcar you really cant miss a bullet, especially on heavies

[tulip nest]

yeah that's why I feel ak is a bit more forgiving

[brisk surge]

lol

[frank dust]

m249 for heavy 👏

please ospuze

[brisk surge]

i want to play lol

[median falcon]

healing grenade that heals 75 health trust me bro it would make lights be useful on a team

[frank timber]

buffing the glitch nade abut would 🤷 gn by itself is a sold gadget

[median falcon]

i already use the glitch grenade a lot i just want more team utility on light

[brisk surge]

a

[errant junco]

Wonder if we're going to see more weapons added for a broader spectrum of gameplay and meta

[sonic heron]

I sure hope so. Would be nice if we get more weapons that add new styles to the game.

[inland breach]

Are revives the only way that the Defibrillators earn XP?

[soft juniper]

I’m getting super exited to see what they do to the game for the new season New maps/Gadgets/Weapons and Balance changes so exited

[jade ermine]

Throwing knifes in warzone are so bad

[restive plover]

https://tenor.com/view/bobs-burgers-dancing-booty-dance-gif-13637990

[jade ermine]

This is warzone chat right?

[restive plover]

yes

[jade ermine]

Alr I'm in the right place

[azure thistle]

bow and arrow for light when

[jade ermine]

Bro the ram 9 is so good

[versed venture]

This is not a warzone chat 💀

[versed venture]

And throwing knifes are not bad you just don’t know how to use them

[jade ermine]

They only take shown all shield

[forest delta]

Maybe make the grappling hook work like this :
Clicks once hang (if u do it on sealings you can glide down like an agent) press again to detach

[prime dew]

Maybe like have 3 uses like the dash for better mobility

[forest delta]

Or make it time based

Don’t want it to be too op

[soft juniper]

Why does it feel like ever player in the game you know is clearly cheating is a light player?

[craggy mural]

make a clear status or clear area ability for the light

[soft juniper]

It sadens me to see that people need to cheat in order to do well or win games

like AI art

[soft juniper]

Light can be a good class and played well if done correctly they are the high risk high reward class

[earnest cove]

Some possible new weapon ideas:

Light

• Musket (functions as an iron sight sniper)

Medium

• tommy gun with drum mag (high ROF, lower damage, great hipfire)
• AN-94 or FAMAS (Burst assault weapon)

Heavy

• brass knuckles (fast melee with a chargable 3 hit combo)
• akimbo desert eagle (no ads possible)

What do you guys think? What would you like to see?

[soft juniper]

Musket can be a skin for sniper

[earnest cove]

Hmmm not sure as it would remove the scope of the sniper.

Some more ideas:

L

• bow

M

• crossbow

H

• spear

[mortal storm]

If anyone at embark sees this can we please have an m1 garand skin for the LH1?

[rough frost]

Me and my matr were taling about bow for light. I feel it would work so perfectly with kit. Make the weapon when fully drawn to kill a medium with a hs maybe too?

Idk thought it would pretty sweet

[brisk surge]

[verbal jacinth]

I want spear medium so bad dude

[soft juniper]

I can see it now get tased die to bow head shot repeat

[ashen robin]

I'm sold on the Light - Javelin, Medium - Discus and Heavy - Shotput though

javelin would be like an extreme grenade that can headshot, discus could explode or give a target a concussion, shotput would knock their ass out

[obsidian island]

ive been running light w/ grapple (omg its so good when you get used to it) and LH1 gas frag and glitch nades, is pistol better then lh1? i like the automatics but i you get no value at range, and stun i feel is not that strong when you are flying into enemys / taking long range fights. i avoid mid-range fights cause i cant win them (this is not for comp i run mid in comp cause y'now)

noone should say anything needs to be nerfed before the play it that way you understand the difference between skill and ability of a weapon

[ocean lava]

I was thinking of maybe making a grenade/marker where the lazer beam from the death lazer event would drop in a concentrated area

[naive bear]

You already click to detach

[winter yarrow]

its best to hold grapple then release when you want to detach

[naive bear]

Its also already time based where if you are sticking to something for too long you detach

[forest delta]

Smart didn't think of that 🤔

[ocean lava]

I think a cluster bomb would be a good gadget for lights and heavy’s as it would help clean threats and ensure high defense with smokes being more used now

[burnt gyro]

we need burst weapon

[naive bear]

%100 true I got a couple Ideas but I wanna see what the devs add

[boreal laurel]

I think V9S is slightly better but only because it’s easier. LH1 is still a killer though. I use them both; I’m most into LH1 right now, but I do think the pistol is just a little bit better.

(Though if you want my real, totally NOT false opinion of the best light weapon…
S W O R D)

[burnt gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/sword-kirby-kirby-sword-kirby-anime-anime-gif-22667660

[fair quail]

Why the sword

[obsidian island]

Imo LH1 is a healthy mix between pistol and sniper

[boreal laurel]

Because it’s fun 😁. Honestly I don’t think it’s the best, but I just love it and I do better with it than with any other light weapon.

[fair quail]

W

[winter yarrow]

been running basically your build in ranked and it fares very well if your teammates can fight together as a duo, as you have to be far from the fight but still doing damage for your teammates from a distance

[soft juniper]

Is it weird that I want a C4 Blast radius nerf because it would make a build im using better for me?

[obsidian island]

Also going 100 meters in a second with grapple is super fun

[winter yarrow]

yes ive seen ppl complain about the movement of grapple but you can go FLYING with it. ez $1000 on tapping the cashbox

[obsidian island]

Grapple seemed underpowered when I started but as I practiced it became kinda insane

You really need to get the hang of it but then boom

[winter yarrow]

yeah with practice the mechanics are really good honestly. i think its well made

[obsidian island]

Maybe 0.75x recharge

[winter yarrow]

like make it faster?

[obsidian island]

Make it recharge slightly faster maybe

But if you give an inch lights will take a mile

[soft juniper]

lol I bet if they nerf taser back to its original 10m they will complain

[obsidian island]

Taser rn is a bit underpowered imo. 85% time I get tased I kill the light.

If might just be because the lights are bad tho

[soft juniper]

Oh yeah no taser is really only good against either other lights or medium but most lights go as close as possible and tase you instead of using it at max range since you can’t aim down sights

The good light tasers will do it at max range or use it as a get away tool since that gives them 3.75 seconds to run away

[earnest cove]

Hmmm the one hit kill hs would be too much i would say. Don't like anything that 1 hits people. Maybe make it like apex where you don't get a hit location indicator, so the enemy doesnt know where he's getting hit from?

[winter yarrow]

taser is good to get away and let your teammates dive the stunned guy. great for team fights and soloing out one enemy

[earnest cove]

Also great for stopping cashouts

[tame hound]

.357 is the worst medium weapon, riot shield has a better chance

[glacial yew]

yo i just wondered when you choose your weapons and stuff, what is the other slot for ?

[timid plume]

Skillissue

[sonic orchid]

The new Finals Value Chart list is here.
Suggestions and feedback are welcome.
For all attentive readers, the damage of the C4 is correct, Embark changed the damage for the 1.9 patch last week.
https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=67A1399279DDC4C3!1856&authkey=!ACCI_If1LOcppeA

[vague chasm]

so apparently there's a feature where you can delay racking the shotgun. is this a bug and if not, how does this improve gameplay

[shrewd willow]

Hello, what are some weapons recommendations for light class?

[restive plover]

#light-build-main

[shrewd willow]

Thank you!

[earnest aspen]

Is there an upgrade system in this game? Like the more you upgrade your weapon, the powerful it gets?

Or is it just like experience levels?

[frank dust]

Experience level

[obsidian island]

Doesn’t change weapon tho just gives skins sprays and other cosmetics

[earnest aspen]

So I dont have to buy skins? Or are there still some exclusive skins? Speaking of buying, is there no way to get the in game currency with gameplay

[obsidian island]

There still are exclusive

You can get currency slowly by playing with the free part of the battle pass (yay!)

[restive plover]

(i mean, no, there is no way to get in-game currency with gameplay, besides the free tiers of the battle pass)

[obsidian island]

Very slowly but you get it. I think there’s roughly 200 currency, that’s enough for a skin (not pack@but the individual weapon skins sold on the weapons page)

[earnest aspen]

Oh ok so just classic pass experience, but hey at least its better than most game where they force you like cod

[earnest aspen]

How much is the battle pass?

[obsidian island]

I ftp so I’m not sure

[pure sable]

nice

[obsidian island]

I mean they gotta make money so I get it. Respect tot he dev team for dropping a new slimline every week

[frank timber]

Usually 10$ USD

[soft juniper]

I just find it super annoying and honestly kinda sad when I see light players just spam the taser for almost every kill, do they really need that big a crutch?

[winter yarrow]

alot of the time it sets you up for failure letting the enemy know youre about to fight them

[soft juniper]

Yeah I honestly stopped running it because it takes away my TTK

• I only ever used it to tase heavy’s at cash out in a drive by manner

[stark ledge]

I'm trying to figure out which to have in my gadgets for tournie build. Right now I've got M build: Torret, AK47 for the gun, and gadgets: explosive, jump pad and the zipcord thingie. What do you think I could replace the explosive mine for? Should I? I kinda find it a lil versatile for opening up walls....

[shadow slate]

gas bomb

[nimble pelican]

We need MIDDLE EAST servers PLEASE!!

[shadow slate]

top tier for me

[silver frigate]

well I don't need them tbh 🐖

[nimble pelican]

don't care didn't ask

[stark ledge]

@shadow slate gas mines are pretty awesome, but also gets me self killed. But I guess it's good for weakening the heavies. What I use this build for is to get my team over to the spot really quick, zipline really helps out! so does the jump pad. The explosive mine I shoot through walls to knock out other enemy mines which there are wayyy too many. Gas mines seem good to protect though, I'll try them again. 🙂

[proven wasp]

Why is the new akm skin the realistic one with the wood grain 3 different colors of wood grain...or am i crazy.. the stock under the barrel and grip...

[stark ledge]

I think you just did, and people said no. How are internet speeds in the ME anyway? I'm curious, apart from a few countries seems like a pretty third world area.

[shadow slate]

gas mines do hurt but they help you to protect the chasout for a while

so its a win lose

[stark ledge]

@shadow slate whenever I lay mines lately it feels like no one actually steps on them, lol. Should I just shoot them to activate?

[shadow slate]

where do you put them?

[stark ledge]

I hate when I'm playing against turett+gas mine. Usuallly I put them at door entrances, or on the bank it thingie.

[proven wasp]

I use exoplosive mines and get decent amount of kills overall

[shadow slate]

if your in buildings ut them near ziplines or stairs

[stark ledge]

I'm usually #1 on my team, or on the server. The problem is when I got bad teammates hahah 😄

[shadow slate]

i got a tt channel mwhere am getting to champion day by day so i would call myself decent

[stark ledge]

I've done that too, it seems like they got nerfed recently... I'll switch up to gas tonight I think though 🙂 If I had better teammates reguarly I'd probably switch to the defibrilators and heal. I feel like for the most part I'm alone

[shadow slate]

yh when you get a bad team its donesss

[stark ledge]

"go to b" send a zipline to there to further get them there faster. Zipline is so damn useful for speeding up everyone on the team.

Worst is when you get a team of just you and someone else. you should get a bonus for that. Usually 1 guy sucks no matter what. And there's one badass team. It'd be nice for server options if there was a no party server. but wrong channel 😄

[shadow slate]

yh u got any clips of u playing

[stark ledge]

nope 😄 I just play for fun.\

[shadow slate]

@stark ledge i sent u my game play

[livid cliff]

gadgets

[stark ledge]

weapons

[gritty swallow]

can sombody give me the link for medium build main?

[chrome hull]

https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1182330443626983485

[chrome hull]

https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1204770466061881364

[chilly turret]

honestly I think making the M60’s recoil just a bit easier to control would make it settle into its niche a little easier

[earnest cove]

which weapon could they implement which pierces through multiple enemies?

would make collat kills with primary weapons possible

50. Cal?

Or the Anti tank rifle from the Tank Hunter Elite Kit in Battlefield 1

a gadged they could add: impulse grenade; pushes people away

would be most hated gadged for every plattform cashout hahaha

[sand monolith]

or if the entire weapon wasnt completely overshadowed in almost every way possible by the lewis gun

[golden adder]

I would want something like that but only if you were immune while stealing a cashout

[chilly turret]

thank you for stating the obvious but that’s not my fucking point now is it?

[sand monolith]

my point is that your point is bad. the m60 shouldn’t be buffed until the lewis is nerfed to an acceptable state

[chilly turret]

how do you suggest the Lewis and M60 get changed properly so they don’t become reskins of each other?

and my original point is that the M60 is great in CQ, so maybe adjust the recoil so it’s easier to land headshots in close to mid range

[sand monolith]

the lewis is meant to be a long range counterpart to the m60 with less dps. the dps difference is near negligible and it still shreds at close range. i think the best solution is the lower the rate of fire to both reduce its dps and increase the penalty of missing a shot up close

[soft juniper]

Is the Lewis and M60 just the Heavy version of the AK vs FCAR?

[chilly turret]

pretty much

[soft juniper]

Brah

Makes me wonder if the light version is M11 vs XP or LH1 vs XP

[boreal laurel]

It’s XP vs V9S actually

[soft juniper]

Really?

[sonic heron]

M60 should get a massive utility damage bonus to make it different from Lewis. Basically every gadget and shield should get shredded by just a few bullets at range from M60. Making M60 into an actual suppressor weapon.
So the Lewis vs M60 matchup would be more dynamic. Mesh shield and dome shield would get countered by my version of M60 so the user of it would make sure to have dome shield down when fighting Lewis. That way the M60 wins the fight.
Without gadgets helping M60, the Lewis would probably win.

[chilly turret]

I like that idea.

[sonic heron]

With how few weapons there are, it is a shame that quite a few are almost clones.
FCAR and AK
Lewis and M60.
Those four being the worst offenders.

[boreal laurel]

I would say so. M11 is only useful close up, while the other two are more versatile at range and up close. I would say XP-54 and V9S compete better overall than M11 and XP.

[severe loom]

same...

[severe loom]

i mean not the same but the same

[chilly turret]

The M60 is such a chunky weapon and I love how it sounds, it just needs a little more love and it’ll be worth using

Aaanyways, I think the FCAR needs both a damage and recoil nerf to make it balanced

While the medium weapons are very consistent and that’s their whole deal, I believe the FCAR (like the XP-54), is too consistent.

[sonic heron]

What if they gave Light a hackign special. You could turn enemy equipment to your side.

[restive plover]

Maybe lower fire rate instead?

[chilly turret]

Lower fire rate, make the recoil harder to control, keep damage at 24-25?

[mellow walrus]

Hey, I was thinking about a zip trap. where to can attach two objects that have a rope or wire that connects them and when you press a button on a phone or a trigger like the breach charge and C4. The line retracts either bringing a moveable object to a wall or floor or pulling two loose objects to each other making them explode or burst. And if you get lucky enough you can attach it to players and pull back lights, stop mediums where they are, and slow down heavies.

Just a thought

[restive plover]

That sounds good.

[mellow walrus]

Thank you

[restive plover]

Perhaps two extra bullets as treat

[mellow walrus]

Yeah

[restive plover]

What class would this be on?

[mellow walrus]

I was thinking either medium or light

Because Medium has the mostly defensive stuff but light could sneak up on others with cloak

[chilly turret]

I think the FCAR is just too good tbh

A team of three mediums all running the FCAR just ran everybody’s shit due to the sheer power of the rifle

[mellow walrus]

I think that they should do something with the fire rate or the scope

[native isle]

Doesn't matter, if the fcar gets nerfed, then all the middle players will choose ak, and then someone will say ak is too good😂

[chilly turret]

AK is very balanced imo

[final flare]

I know this is probably not gonna happen but I'm really hoping for something like weapon attachments for season 2

[chilly turret]

I’m hoping sledge gets some love- it’s fun, but it needs something to make it be able to compete with other weapons

[kindred zinc]

I'd like to know the damage figures for each weapon, where can I find them

[soft juniper]

I agree Riot shield has...well its shield, Sword/dagger has mobility and hammer only has Goo Gun to get in close decently

[soft juniper]

look in pinned messages

[soft juniper]

my worst enemy in this game is going through holes that go down I swear I spend so much time trying to go down one its the death of me 100% of the time

[teal basin]

there

[ruby pond]

i have an idea for it btw, why cant you just throw sledge lol? Sounds kinda stupid but i think it actually would be nice with a 20 second cooldown

[ruby pond]

like it really need something like that imo ^^

[soft juniper]

I kinda wish the dagger had alittle more love too

I love it som much but its just not that great in alot of situations

[heady pine]

hello

[restive plover]

does defib kill enemy players?

i think it does ive seen it

[soft juniper]

its does pitiful damage its mostly a disrespect move

[restive plover]

i see , its like 50

[hot barn]

I was thinking about a stationary gun as a special ability for the heavy build

[silver frigate]

yeah I think if implemented right this is the thing that is missing for this class

[soft juniper]

maybe make controling the sentury a function?

[soft juniper]

Why am I good with the dagger but dog with the sword???

[reef sage]

Sledge is pretty good as it is but those pesky stun gun lights are really annoying. Charge'n'slam is a nice addition to the sledge so you get to some opponents faster but I agree, this baby deserves some love

[storm narwhal]

you're good with the dagger? i'm a tf2 spy main and i cannot get a single backstab in

[halcyon fable]

imo dagger should get the same 'dash stab' than the sword

with slight lock-on, cus most the time server desync makes the dagger useless

[radiant crescent]

skill

[ornate mist]

skill issue

[covert canopy]

lock on makes the melee weapons worse in some cases and should have an option to turn off the aim assist!

[soft juniper]

It could just be im more patient with a dagger than I am with the sword

[scenic cairn]

Has anyone conceptualized a defibrillator grenade or something similar like a throwable or projectile revive tool?

[silver frigate]

Krill issue

[candid cedar]

I played about 10 games after this mornings update….every lobby has had people spamming sensor Grenades. Did something change?

[sterile blaze]

nerf the stun gun

[solemn osprey]

I think that if you coul add scopes(no attachments, just scopes) it would be better

[upbeat venture]

nuke needs to be buffed

[soft juniper]

Just get closer to land it and your fine

[jagged bramble]

if anyone wanna play lmk

[upbeat venture]

twas meme

[soft juniper]

I know but I have seen some heavy’s players still cry about it being bad they want it buffed

[soft juniper]

I can agree with this either make the stun time decrease to 3sec flat or nerf the range back to the original 10m it was

Or put it on a long cool down

[candid cedar]

No

[sterile blaze]

fr it should be the lighter ur class the longer it lasts for

so other lights it would stun for longer medium some time heavy barely anything

[sterile blaze]

i agree but only by a bit (by a bit i mean a bit)

not to what it used to be

[ivory dust]

The cowboy event trailer showed a different revolver skin in the hand of the Player but i can’t find it in the game, is it just me?

[tropic hearth]

it's the old Colt Python model (I think)

but with a nice wood grip on it
it is not available anywhere
which has me very dissapointed :(((

[midnight jetty]

so real, the difference between lewish and m60 is actually so awful, literally no one uses m60 besides people who dont have enough credits to buy lewis (new players)

ive literally never seen anyone use m60 volunteerly over lewis gun, ive literally never even seen someone use m60 whos not new, this game needs serious balancing :/

[reef sage]

It's me, yes. I prefer M60 over Lewis even though it's shit

[midnight jetty]

das crazy, the one person who uses it volunteerly even says its shit 😭
yk honestly props to u bro for choosing a worse gun, mad respect to u bro

[reef sage]

It's M60 so I kinda lean towards it, c'mon this lmg is legendary

[midnight jetty]

so u use it scrictly for cool/nostalgia factor?

[reef sage]

But it needs a buff, just by lowering the recoil at least

[midnight jetty]

they gotta do alot more than that, the whole game needs rebalancing bro, m60 is useless againt other heavys yet it shreds lights

and then stuff like lewis gun be a literal 3 tap while heavies obsorb entire magazines and still run away

[reef sage]

I guess so, the trick is to shoot with small bursts but it's still will be a bit handful

[midnight jetty]

id like to see lewis gun nerf because the amount of damage heavies are able to deal while also the amount of damage they can absorb is tremendous, it would make more sense if lights could move fast and hit hard because they can die in literally 4 shots against 600rpm gun like whats that ttk??? it would make more sense if heavy could absorb damage yet not deal insane damage

lewis gun nerf would make everyone unhappy tho, but it would fix the ttk but it would make everyone pissed so not worth it, but id love to see balanced fighting amongst differnt classes cause rn lewis gun is so op in contrast to m60, and so is literally EVERY starter gun, like ak compared to hcar

[subtle bronze]

Where can i go to put ideas for cosmetics?

[reef sage]

Yeah, that's really sad to look at. Same goes to melees, most of the players run with swords, not many with sledgehammers, riot shields and daggers

[lone compass]

i feel like its very difficult to make melee weapons feel different but also viable

[midnight jetty]

cause melee in other classes is useless, light has cloak and tazer, cloak to get close tazer to incapacite to slap up, it makes perfect sense to only use light for melee, why would u choose heavy cause that means people can litearlly just outrun u plus no tazer or cloak

[subtle bronze]

Riot shield is honestly really balanced imo

[midnight jetty]

its so easy to counter, espeically with teamates, if riot shield is op then what is the mesh sheild????

[subtle bronze]

Heavy special

oh lol, mesh shield is in a good place too 1000 Hp doesn’t last long with a whole team shooting at it

[reef sage]

Sledgehammer is amazing but those pesky tazers really fucks it up, riot shield requires a special type of movement you need to run turned to the right a bit so it actually blocks damage and the dagger... Well it's difficult, you need to get behind people to stab them and it's not easy

[midnight jetty]

idk riot shield seems like viable option espeically when put into perspective the role of a heavy, i mean he litearlly has placable shields aswell as a shield that pops up from no where on the fly, the entire purpose is to be a bullet sponge, i think it would be 10x more skillful if people relied on their gadgets to survive rather than just an abysmal amount of health

and thats the whole reason i think riot shield not bad is because it requires skill to hide urself behind a shield aswell as situational awareness to avoid letting their teammates flank, but if u just have insane amount of health theres really no skill required

ofc i cant post this image cause embedded perms

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17oI_V64feUYkiHrT5YGFE6kNGTCvfNaNiUiwrk9IITc/edit#gid=1112747975

u know the game is unbalanced when a heavy survives an entire mag of grenade launchers, its literally impossible to kill a heavy with one full magazine of CL-40, its just funny at this point, like im loosing my ability to give genuine critizism at this point, like how can the game be so unbalanced that an entire mag of explosives cannot kill a player

[patent bloom]

riot is nice support/melee option

[midnight jetty]

even with grenade launchers hitting direct impact, heavy can walk away from eating 3 entire grenades

[midnight jetty]

i had riot teammate, he was good riot seems more like support than melee attacker, but it has crazy potentional for support

[patent bloom]

yep

especially when there's mgl user shooting and you reflect these shots back at him

cuz physics, u know

[midnight jetty]

i like light cause theres been so many times i cloak and just walk behind someones shield and shoot them its so funny

[soft juniper]

I like cloak but my need/playstyle of mobility is bad but if they ever give light a mobility gadget I will take cloak

[midnight jetty]

i think light being able to move faster than all other classes is enough, being able to cloak, taze, and tranverse the map would all be way too much to have for one class

[soft juniper]

my playstlye uses dash to go across large gabs and in combat to dash behind people and force them to 180 only to go backj around

[midnight jetty]

like imagine someone cloaks then they disapear and start depositing halfway across the map, its a bit unfair tbh, since its not a gadget theyre forced to either be in the open or transverse the map at a limited speed, having invis and instant travel is wayyyy too much

[soft juniper]

ok im starting to come to a realization much like I had before

I see the Flamethrower as a ranged melee weapon so I don't take the Hammer
But now im starting to see the M11 in the same way by not taking sword

does that make sense?

[hollow relic]

Can I connect my pc account to my PlayStation account and play?

[sonic heron]

Make C4 and Breach Charge low damage. Then add a stick of dynamite that blows up walls and is high damage while not being attachable to objects. It blows up in a set amount of time or unless someone shoots them. Just though of this idea because of the new mode

[obsidian island]

But does at 4. Medium does at 3. Light dies at 2

[sand monolith]

yeah people keep asking for riot shield damage buffs but that’s not really the point of the weapon. it’s meant to sacrifice damage to protect you because you’re the support. i think it’s in a pretty good spot rn

[midnight jetty]

ya but heavy still survives entire mag indirect and can somehow eat 3 grenades to the face??? like lets be honest how is eating 3 grenades to the face balanced in any way???

[dusky talon]

fr

[midnight jetty]

plus that completely destroys the purpose of a grenade launcher, u now have to hit direct shots to kill a heavy

not to mention how difficult it is to hit a direct shot with a grenade launcher with travel time and drop

[dusky talon]

FACTS

[obsidian island]

Yes?

[obsidian island]

Not that hard heavy’s are hella slow

[obsidian island]

There’s something called reloading, and you can just reload 1 if you need to

I used to main Cl40 it’s really pretty food. Things I would change

• aps shouldn’t destroy it Istg
• increase aoe size (by like 25%)
• make it destroy walls in one mag. It’s a grenade launcher

[midnight jetty]

ya but thats 2 whole seconds that someone has to put bullets in my face, if i shot them in the back with my entire magazine why should i be required to sit there and reload for 2 whole seconds and give them a chance at shooting me?

its crazy that u think "just reloading" somehow fixes the issue 😭
if u gotta reload to kill someone who kills u in 3 shots then its unbalanced

[obsidian island]

Cause they are heavy. Just tuck behind corner, use util etc. This game is about chip damage. Killing a heavy within 2 secs with an aoe weapon isn’t reasonable. Heavy’s can not kill you in 3 shots

[midnight jetty]

if i was given the upper hand, if i shot them in the back with an entire magazine, i should not have to risk being defenseless infront of someone for an entire 2 seconds, if i shot them in the back with an entire magazine its only fair i get the kill, its so unfair that u think "just reload" is that easy

[obsidian island]

Plus if you shoot right you can kill them in 1 mag only if you mess up do you need 2

[midnight jetty]

like ok bro thats 2 whole seconds that someone is defenseless, and kills happen in this game in literal fractions of a second, but ya just reload fixes it

ttk for some guns (especially heavy guns against lights and mediums) are sub 2 seconds

thats some real good logic of "just reload"

hmmm reload is 3 seconds for CL-40, while lewis (main heavy gun) takes only 1.62 seconds to kill someone, but reloading fixes everything right

[obsidian island]

Ttk in this game is not fractions of a second if your playing right. I have to say as someone that has gotten 25 kills in one tourney round with the CL that it’s a skill issue. Practice aiming on moving enemy’s, pridiciting future locations, and using util to get the final kill and deal chip. Line up to deal damage to enemy’s when they can’t even see you (you can use grandes to plan the other of the launcher). You are treating the Cl40 like the AKM or Fcar but you have to play more like light, get in get out, deal chip.

[obsidian island]

You can shoot while reloading with Cl40 it’s only 1 sec for first shell

[midnight jetty]

lewis kills light in .62 seconds

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17oI_V64feUYkiHrT5YGFE6kNGTCvfNaNiUiwrk9IITc/edit#gid=1108733071
theres literal spreadsheets with ttk and damage and reload time, the balancing is right infront of ur eyes to see

[obsidian island]

Your neglecting the fact that it deals aoe, projectiles curve, you can shoot while reloading.

[midnight jetty]

its not logical for a class to survive 3/4th of an entire magazine, just going by the numbers its quite literally IMPOSSIBLE to kill heavys with certain guns, even if u were in the perfect situation looking directly at their back

i dont understand how that makes any sense when heavies can kill in literally .62 seconds

but u have a heavy main badge so i can understand why u defend heavy

[obsidian island]

That was when I joined i main light now

[midnight jetty]

seems like no one mains medium for some reason

[obsidian island]

Cause they arnt fun

I mained cl40 last week. I switch like every week lol. Mediums are the strongest class

[midnight jetty]

real, abilities are ass compared to shit like charge and cloak, plus theyre health is soooo ass in contrast to their movement speed

[obsidian island]

It’s literally easy. Like so easy. Skill issue, practice using it like a grenade not like an automatic rifle. Remember you can kill someone without them being able to see you, and you can tactical reload

[midnight jetty]

u know the game is unbalanced when people dont go for middle grounds and only opposite extremes, and it seem like people use light in the coin gamemode and then people only use heavy in vault game mode, that right there kinda shows that the classes arent balanced

[obsidian island]

Heal - best specialization in the game
FCAR - most consistent damage in the game
Defib: best gadget
Everyone: literally medium is the best class in the game

[midnight jetty]

i dont see people main it very much, maybe its a personal bias but just based off what i see in games i dont see people play it nearly as much as heavy in things like cashout

defib = best gadget for certain, but thats the only reason people use it

[obsidian island]

Medium isn’t played as much in quick cash because they arnt as fun. They are support and damage, but no fun explosions or fun movement. Tourneys are almost entirely medium

[midnight jetty]

defib and healing beacon undeniably the best, but u gotta sacrafice a huge part of ur loadout to be a support, ig thats the whole purpose but its difficult to enjoy the middle ground when ur fighting both extremes of aboslute tank and little evasive fella who u cant find

at that point ur only a medic with no abilities to fight with, other classes have things they can use to fight with like cloak or rage, but medium is stuck with a healing beacon lol

[obsidian island]

I think cl40 dealing higher aoe range and higher destruction damage would help it find its niche a lot better.

[midnight jetty]

i dont think the problem is cl40, its the massive difference between ttk on classes

theres alot of other issues too, like vaults spawning in elevators

[obsidian island]

I ell fcar is highest ttk at range

Lewis has stoo much spread to be effective at range

[obsidian island]

Agree with this 💯

[midnight jetty]

vaults spawning in elevators gotta be the most bs thing in the game, the whole selling point of the game is "u can access the point with rpgs and explosives!!!" but when objective spawns in an elevator ur just stuck with trying to go through the front while the person inside can just spam up and down

[sonic heron]

Make Light Grapple into Exosuit. You still get to grapple but you also get double jumps, wall climbing and wall running like Titanfall 2

[midnight jetty]

grapple already in game

[obsidian island]

Grapple is strong enough

As someone that rn is maiing grapple

[sonic heron]

Hence why you turn Grapple into Exosuit

[midnight jetty]

maybe, but how would the cool down work because all the gadgets have limited abilities, its also gotta be able to fit into the playstyle and objective of the game

[obsidian island]

Trust me grapple is already so strong

[grand ivy]

they should make it so you can go from a grapple to a parachute or wingsuit, then grapple immediately, flying between buildings, destroying chaos items and liberating the city

[sullen dirge]

Agreed

[obsidian island]

https://tenor.com/view/the-flash-movie-batman-yeah-im-batman-michael-keaton-bruce-wayne-gif-27553301

Oh right now embeds. What teir is embeds?

[obsidian island]

Crazy clip

my god is sniper hard to use well (not camping a useless angle) but when it is its so good. i am not skilled enough for that

esp cause you are playing on controller

[sonic heron]

Okay this sounds sick too.

[grand ivy]

Try just cause 3 aha - everything I described was the game

[sonic heron]

Did they buff mines or something. I am nowhere near them and they explode

[hidden topaz]

light should have revive

or have a better utility

[sullen dirge]

I really wish they'd fix thermal. It's been bugged since launch day with skyboxes and smoke grenades 🥺

[hidden topaz]

im tryna level up

[sullen dirge]

Understandable

[stiff pendant]

Remove Lewis gun from new game mode it’s not a western cowboy gun !

[restive plover]

Really this event should have been medium only, like the last event was heavy only. He's the only class with actual "cowboy" weapons.

[stiff pendant]

Yeah it’s stupid going against one always kills me cause he has a huge rate of fire compare to everyone else

[fast mulch]

I still struggle using the Lewis

[marsh gale]

make grapple have increased cooldown and be utility

[dull furnace]

Grapple is already completely useless outside of traversal or extremely high tier plays i’m too stupid to even comprehend. Throwing off that balance pisses on the risk/reward of using it

[dull furnace]

Go look at the spread pattern on the fanworks channel, really easy to try to slide your aim with the walk after that

[sullen tree]

that'd be sick

[sullen tree]

I still think it could use one more charge, or faster recharge time. (INSANE clip tho, good job)

[obsidian island]

Double barrel shotgun is fine imo

All shotguns, idc that the revolver isn’t included cause it’s funner to be all dhotugn

[lime juniper]

hey so what’s the deal with throwing a grenade, but then dying, and then the grenade just disappearing from existence?

[edgy horizon]

This

[ocean lava]

I honestly feel like they should have a done a reskin for the sniper this game mode as the repeater rifle would have made a good skin or a carcano looking weapon. Though what really dosnt make sense is to me is that the other classes were added as I think the trend of class specific LTM’s would have spiced it up.

Like this could have been a medium only and for the lights have a snipers shootout type of mode where it’s low gravity mode with bank it game mode or something

[rustic blaze]

Why there is people using sword and grappling hooks

are they like in Attack on Titan manga?

[soft juniper]

If your talking about in the game mode tbh sword is better at close range then sawed off in my opinion since the damage nerfs

[elder river]

I think the light build should have a gadget that’s a stim bc these Mediums now and days only use sentry ect I’m a light main and use V95 and primary and I think us light users should have a stim be have 150 Hp tryna fight heavy’s and mediums

[north junco]

if you want more health play heavy or medium. if you want all the good weapons and gadgets then you gotta accept 150 health. you still have a tiny hitbox and high move speed. if light had more health from a stim then game would be unplayable for anyone else

[edgy ether]

anyone notice how the underhand throw of the frag grenade doesn't line up with the trajectory indicator

[oblique forum]

ive been mainly playing light since i started and havent really had issues. once i unlocked cloaking and vanish bombs it made it even easier. light is on the verge of being unbalanced the way they are. they def do not need stims.

[hasty cloak]

Flamethrower needs a buff the damage is weak especially the burn tick damage

[idle oracle]

the FLame thrower needs team damage

[hasty cloak]

Idk man i just want my flamethrower buff 😭😭😭

[tough sail]

add like a drone or something that you can bring out every minute

[deep terrace]

glitch drone 😮

[worthy yarrow]

They NEED to buff the light shotgun

[zenith granite]

SAME HERE I THOUGHT I WAS GOING INSANE

[pliant terrace]

It’s all about the mine placement baby

[zenith granite]

nah i swear
i was gonna steal cashout
two mines on the cashout
not a soul to be seen as we had just wiped them
3m away from the cashout
kaboom
ded

[sonic heron]

I won't complain as mines were kinda bad at detecting you before. But I was completely caught off guard in Smoking Guns. 1/3 of my deaths were from accidental mine hits lol.

[zenith granite]

Mines were never an issue for me. Always set off when they should’ve. But now it’s just an obscenely big activation zone

[crisp tangle]

did they changed cl40 spec ? its now very hard to deal damages when it was very op few days ago

[remote sable]

instead of recon senses detecting players, how about it detects gadgets and deployments? only allow those to be seen through walls

[sullen dirge]

That might be the best version of it I've heard

[remote turtle]

interesting

[viscid vessel]

same lol

[mint heart]

i love gadgets

[dawn sleet]

just spamming

[left pike]

I'd like to see next season either a healing grenade or healing turret

[soft juniper]

Light special Idea: “Vampiric”: basically when you kill someone you can drain some hp from them healing you for a X amount of health (maybe if your the one to kill the person it’s a full heal but if it was an assist kill it’s only half the amount)

This would give lights an option for sustain over mobility or stealth

[inland breach]

Buff the 357’s range. Thats all. Literally all

[left pike]

That's a good idea, syphon basically, I think that would make light a bit overpowered if it gave more than 10 health

[soft juniper]

It was a shower thought I had so I can’t really think of balanced number ideas

[left pike]

Well it's a good idea on paper

And I would like to see something like that but have like a game mode themed around it

[soft juniper]

Maybe it gives temporary health that starts to decay back to your perceive health points

[left pike]

That would definitely make it balanced

[minor rune]

Idk about this one but... a decoy gadget would be useful?

[left pike]

Would it work like the decoys in cod that just stand there or like apex that move

[minor rune]

Its difficult since its a gadget... maybe more like Fortnite decoy when you throw it he follows the closest opponent?

[left pike]

Oh, that's an interesting concept

It should also ping the enemy when it's shot

[minor rune]

What about they randomly move around the area and if its being shoot it reveals the opponent?

[left pike]

Yeah!

[minor rune]

Mirage build lest goo

[left pike]

Apex x finals crossover season 3???

[minor rune]

Nah a collab would ruin it...
Like Fortnite, they dont any lore about it, they just add petter griffin lore or ninja turtles

[left pike]

Good point

Finals > fortnite

Idea.
Make flashbangs explode on impact as like a buff

[minor rune]

Another gadget or weapon... how about a boomerang?

Primary attack at close range

Secondary attack it throw and if it lands on a opponent it goes after the next one in sight and then it comes back to you

[left pike]

Cool

[minor rune]

It could goo for the light sinxe its a hit n run tactical weapon

[left pike]

But I do feel like it would just as underused as the glitch trap

[minor rune]

The boomerang?

[left pike]

Yeah

It may be me but I just can't see a bomerang in such a fast paced game

[minor rune]

Yh but if you miss it dosent go automacally at a opponent

[minor rune]

There a throwing knife tho

[left pike]

Yeah but I see the bomerang as like a 1 use gadget

If you miss, it's a waste

[minor rune]

Good point

[left pike]

It could be good, but not Competitively viable

[minor rune]

Then it would be easy to use since its a gadget, it should have a hud line where it goes?

[left pike]

You raise a good point
But I need sleep so I'll think about it tomorrow

[minor rune]

Alr. good night

[left pike]

Night

[spark gull]

A bow would make a good weapon for medium

And a cross bow would be fun for heavy

[sonic heron]

Give Medium a Flare Gun as a gadget. It fires into the sky and teammates can use the flare like an item to either teleport directly to it or get launched into the direction of the flare.

[errant whale]

So how does Weapon and Gadget Exp work, like for MGL32 is it combat only that counts or is it like sledge where destruction also counts?

[vapid inlet]

stun gun is still annoying as fuck. shit game

[obsidian spindle]

Goo mine, the goo roots the players. idk

[vapid inlet]

dog we don't need more stupid shit to stun people and keep them in place for 5 seconds at a time it's already bad enough with the stun gun

[unborn gate]

Womp womp

[coral arch]

Whats the highest damage in game?`

Why call it "20.000" points instead of just 2 flags?

[idle tapir]

More gadgets maybe ?

Idk thought its kinda cool rn

[near wyvern]

just don’t get stunned

[restive plover]

Just kill the light with your 200 health advantage.

[ornate stream]

And if your a light as well then survive

[frank timber]

3.75 seconds.

like you can already kill a full health light anyways with no ads just strafe 💀

[vapid inlet]

dont care

it's annoying thats bad enough

[nocturne zenith]

the grapple hook is not so goot

[valid fulcrum]

Anyone got a fix for the battle pass reload animation for the akm de quipping every match

[nocturne zenith]

and the sward is op

[obsidian island]

consistency between gamemodes

[mint heart]

hi friends

[feral widget]

fr

[sand monolith]

use a shotgun

[graceful pagoda]

Hey is it just me or the V9S new skins have a big whoop of recoil?

[warm lion]

probably just you

[topaz sparrow]

Are automatic weapons just bad?

I switched to revolver immediatly after seeing how AKM works

Revolver kills in like three shots and does it faster than someone just spraying with AKM

[chilly turret]

The AKM and FCAR are very good weapons, but the M60 and M11 lack power at range

AKM requires good recoil control, revolver needs good aim

[idle tapir]

Fr

[hidden dew]

Grappling hook is amazing for getting away or getting fast to spots. Like i can jump of the map and swing myself to another place

[idle tapir]

Tbh

[restive plover]

Not at all, they're far and away the best. Other guns can be good as well but they require a lot more effort to be consistent, and the revolver is a good example of that.

[mellow kelp]

Fuck the revolver.

[restive plover]

As in you think it's bad or you don't like fighting it?

[mellow kelp]

Both lmao. Im trash w it and other ppl i go against never miss a headshot

[frank timber]

skill issue

[exotic stream]

when will they allow attachments ?

[left pike]

I'd honestly rather not have any attachments, it wouldn't work on melee wepons so well and make the ak, Lewis gun and fcar more powerful

[restive plover]

I'm so tired of invisible lights

[exotic stream]

turn brightness up

[reef sage]

They're annoying but sonar grenades, thermal vision and both recon and motion sensors help

[topaz sparrow]

How many of your mines can be deployed at one time?

[exotic stream]

should add a skateboard 🛹

[frank timber]

Literally destroying a guns uniqueness

[quartz dawn]

are they planning on adding more options for medium and heavy? cus light has like 1000 weps atm

[left pike]

True

[magic knoll]

Heavy weapons are kinda boring to be fair

[quartz dawn]

the most fun thing about heavy is the nuke

[royal flicker]

Grappling to to be able to pull carryables towards you, and have the ability to yoink the cash box out of other people's hands

[sullen dirge]

I hope so, even as a light player i understand that the appeal of light is the movement and gunplay so it makes sense we have more guns but less gadgets. But I'd still like to see more variety from medium and heavy

[reef sage]

Got some ideas for unique weapon skins: Katana for sword(c'mon, it's obvious), marlin 45-70 gov. for sniper rifle( would go perfectly with cowboy aesthetics of the new event), M240 or M249 for M60(two cool af LMGs), combat knife or Bowie knife for dagger(for horror aesthetics I'd suggest kitchen knife(Michael Myers)) and FN FAL for FCAR(cold war classic along side with M16)
For weapons I'd love to see m1911 and some pump shotty, Remington 870 or Mossberg 590 would be preferable but at the same time they would work as skins for M1987

[heady skiff]

Make a cheese slicer skin for the dagger

[leaden sage]

Katana is already coming (samurai based season next i think?)

[reef sage]

It's already in the game I think

[reef sage]

Really? It would be cool

[leaden sage]

yeah there was a trailer leak a few weeks ago

[reef sage]

Gotta check it out then, thank you!

[slim linden]

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[obsidian island]

Im usually against grapple changes but yes. Not pull vault though. Too op

[royal flicker]

But it would be funny

[toxic haven]

what do you guys think the most optimal team loadout? like all 3 players and their gadgets?

[mystic fern]

what to optional good to reserve for heavy

[patent cliff]

HMM- 2 APS/2Heals/2Defibs/2 fcar and 1 pad and 1 zip line, heavy mesh, dome, c4 Rpg, lewisgun/shotgun

[mystic fern]

or any other classes

[patent cliff]

if ur running shotgun then reserve barricade, lewis gun, (other two is preference)

[quiet apex]

What if defib only get you 100hp back instead of 50% of your health ? What do you think about this

[patent cliff]

would be good for light, suck for heavy

[quiet apex]

Exactly, because I feel like killing heavy should 'reward' you, and not be a pain when you kill him and then he comes back at almost 200hp

[rotund tree]

How do we feel about bows and crossbows

And if they added both who would get which

[fast coral]

PLS PLS PLS ADD ONE MORE ROUND TO THE LIGHT SHOTGUN

[nova helm]

does anyone know if the santa hat activates the "hello from the north pole" voicelines?

[nova helm]

triple barrel shotgun 😨

[rotund tree]

I hear it only when someone wears it

[sonic heron]

Would be a good change for the game imo

[mystic fern]

chainsaw for heavy

[toxic haven]

I've been seeing a lot of people doing HHM lately

[frank timber]

Yes

[tardy plover]

-levels

¯_(ツ)_/¯

/////

[dusky stump]

Hammer

[pastel epoch]

Agreed.

[eager willow]

What if every gun (excluding GLs and sniper) could run either a red dot sight or their iron sights? Would people even want that?

[outer fulcrum]

To op. The sights are part of the realism

[patent cliff]

double heavy is good i run it alot, but most optimal is double M

[eager willow]

What do you mean by realism in that context

[outer fulcrum]

Like the fact that the guns use sights that are rwlaistic for their gun. Also this is part of balencing

[eager willow]

Ok. Personally I’m not worried about realism in this game but it’s a valid thing to consider. Balance around recoil would probably have to change tho I agree

[turbid magnet]

for some reason hammer doesnt seem to be connecting as often

i keep getting coins come off players but no dmg

[quiet apex]

Finally some people understanding the game

[opal lintel]

guns shoot bullets

[nova helm]

this is actually so peak thank you for confirming it

[proud stone]

e

[sonic heron]

Yeah they have been messing something up with the most recent patches. Sometimes the hammer will not connect at all anymore. Which is horrible for a weapon that requires you to perform combos

[turbid magnet]

fr man it makes me so mad since i use the hammer and main it

[ionic cradle]

bonk

[remote turtle]

yes

[proud stone]

b

[remote turtle]

grinding to 35 messages by spamming letters?

[eager willow]

Would be broken

[viscid tide]

g

[next marsh]

More FCAR skins por favor

[rare bough]

Is light moment sensor still broken?

[restive plover]

They should add impacts but not like that.

[frank timber]

probably like the Fortnite one, good for movement and getting people away from things

[reef sage]

I want a crossbow

[azure terrace]

To really embrace the destructibility of the map, should add more destructive weapons/gadgets. A suggestion could be to add a rocket ram thing. User holds on to a rocket thing that ram through anything in any direction. Another suggestion is to call in heavy airstrikes by putting a flare. Some unique weapons. I would have said maybe to add a tank but I am not if it would work in a game like this (better for battlefield I guess). I just wanna bring more buildings down cause the destruction in ths game is too amazing fr.

[west maple]

What is broken is rpg

I honestly think one way to buff pyro grenades is when effected by fire your healing is reduced by 50%

[soft latch]

Super soaker skin for the flamethrower

[dapper grove]

How good is flamethrower?

[soft juniper]

im getting tired of seeing people constently no scope with sniper and getting headshots

that or quick scoping is to powerful and needs a slight delay

[rotund plinth]

i play the finals and have a father jealous?

[restive plover]

dogshit

[reef sage]

Godlike

[desert drum]

M&k on consoles

[shrewd flower]

cleraly

[potent ledge]

I would like to see more and better melee weapons for the medium and a couple of weapons like a sniper rifle for the medium or heavy classes

Can embark please add like a mini rc car with explosives

[timber cipher]

Am I the only one who want the Lewis Gun recoil to get rework

[potent ledge]

You are not the only one

[buoyant ridge]

I think the med. needs something like the light's LH1, aw well as the xp54 & the fcar should be 3 or 4 round burst

[manic ether]

that would piss so many players xD

[pliant jungle]

I agree

[buoyant ridge]

the burst or LH1

[manic ether]

just changing the FCAR. Doesnt matter which way 😬

[manic ether]

But personally I hate the burst ^^

[buoyant ridge]

I just feel that a burst make them more accurate and in turn having the fcar feel more like an actual battle rifle

[safe bison]

weapons

[shrewd flower]

Love am

[onyx brook]

[errant grail]

Bro the need to make a go cart

Or a new system where you can change scopes but they don’t need to be unlocked so it is a balanced fight

[manic ether]

[idle tapir]

No

[vivid flax]

NERF C4

[azure parrot]

DON'T

[vivid flax]

NERF HEAVY SHOTGUN

[idle tapir]

Nerf me

[long tiger]

Nerf everything

[restive plover]

..

[prisma nacelle]

i love gas granade

[silk quarry]

• Sword dash should do more dmg the more momentum you have.
• When you attack with shield while covering yourself it should do a dash forward with the purpose of closing the gap between the enemy. (This would also make running away from shield harder)
• (concept): a healing grenade for medium that heals all allies for 120. Self healing -50%

Also add more damage dropoffs to smgs and shotguns

[royal thicket]

[royal thicket]

[gentle chasm]

i love sa1216

[soft juniper]

Reply to this message with something you want in the new season but know it won’t happen

[pure sable]

hmm

fine

[eager willow]

The sword dash change would make playing light worse due to getting one shot even more than normal

Shield change idea sounds great

Adding a heal grenade has the chance of being a must-pick equipment for medium, harming build diversity. The idea seems really hard to balance

[uncut timber]

maybe add like a micro minigun for the heavy class, takes a long time to rev up and does around the same amount of damage as the smg for the light but fires faster and farther.

[pastel bone]

Lewis gun but worse

[uncut timber]

real

[pastel bone]

Rip chat

[uncut timber]

also remove the thing where you can trap someone with the glue gun then use fire on them. instead make it where if someone gets shot with goo they move slower but can escape. (like minecraft cobweb)

[pastel bone]

Valid take

[uncut timber]

its annoying to deal with but if changed could be a cool feature

[pastel bone]

I hate mfs trapping me and spamming me with heavy shotgun

[uncut timber]

like how some games make bugs an actual component

[pastel bone]

Mhm

What class do u main btw?

[uncut timber]

none

[trail swallow]

throwing knives or sword

[west maple]

New passives

[soft juniper]

If your good at your aim Throwing knife but if you like close quarters sword

[lethal viper]

some more weapons would be great...and a balance patch

[uncut timber]

the games already pretty balanced

[sonic heron]

I would just make Goo encase someone. Screen is blocked and you are trapped for a very brief period of time. But shooting for a while or throwing something breaks you out of it.
You have a slight period of immunity to goo after being encased to help prevent griefing.

[tame echo]

how do you use the grenade launcher for heavy

[hoary temple]

(getting contestant rank)

[ivory forum]

Why does rpg do more damage to yourself than to an enemy

[remote turtle]

great question

[soft juniper]

mid to far distance is best

avoid close range thats your weakness so charge n slam would help with that

[spice cape]

yo whoever controls weapon balancing make then revolver have no damage drop off but make it have bullet drop or have it not be a hit scan j a suggestion

[soft latch]

Butterfly knife for the dagger

[uncut timber]

This

[restive plover]

The knife should do way more damage it takes like 3 seconds to kill light or just make it swing faster that way you can still have bad damage but easy to use

[uncut timber]

True

I think the throwing knifes need a buff. Like maybe you can hold down the throw like how you can cook a grenade.

[restive plover]

Cuz like if your gonna add knive skins that look cool what’s the point if it’s terrible

[remote turtle]

swiss army knife skin for the dagger, just saying

[grand flume]

In the topic weapon skins I’m shocked they still didn’t add a katana skin for the sword 🥲

[sand monolith]

@torn silo

[alpine crypt]

light with throwing knives and evasive dash just too good

[grand flume]

Light with anything and evasive dash is too good 😋

[royal flicker]

Dummy grenade, it throws down one of those practice dummies like in the practice mode but like the one with the SMG, it can slowly fire whatever gun you're holding.

Maybe even have it so it "wear" your cosmetics too

[obsidian island]

Dummy grenade - exactly like feat grande except it doesn’t do anything. Get like 5 charges lmao

[chilly turret]

Maybe it could give location of the person who shot at it away, kind of like a temporary tracking dart

[trail isle]

healop

[restive plover]

Does damage if you hit someone with it directly.

[compact linden]

Give lights a gadget that gives them +25 IQ pls

[restive plover]

what bout long range

[restive plover]

lights mains r dogshit

[gentle chasm]

i love sa1216

[iron crescent]

yo what is this slander

[somber python]

As a light main myself I agree

[pliant jungle]

Skill issue?

[hybrid furnace]

Dear anyone at Embark who reads this. Can you add Nunchucks as a weapon for one of the classes please. I think it could be really cool. It could have to fire modes. The main fire which swings it around and does regular damage. Then the alt fire u could hold to charge it (they place it under there arm between the arm and chest like in movies and stuff) and then u release and it flicks out, extending the arm so it grants a bit longer range and does more damage than the normal attack. OR you could make some awesome lightsaber-style deflect as the alt fire. Anyone who wants to see this react please i think itd be awesome! (P.S Embark Devs i wanna be an ideas guy for you guys, loving everything you're doing with the FINALS, cant wait for season 2!!!!)

[austere garnet]

The riot shield is underrated.

[torn silo]

Katana

[grand flume]

Katana

[potent ledge]

katana

[gray jasper]

so

[past current]

Maybe. But it's most poor choice in Ranked or tournaments

[austere garnet]

Not true at all

Great choice in ranked if you’re not inexperienced with the strengths and play style of the melee weapon

[gray jasper]

what’s the best heavy weapon

[past current]

Lewis gun

[austere garnet]

Flamethrower

[past current]

💀💀💀

[austere garnet]

Actually Lewis gun, he’s right

Flamethrower if you wanna really become a menace

[past current]

Tell me you like to Arson without telling me you like to Arson

[austere garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/waltergotme-gif-18867690

Wow no embeds in this channel, L

[past current]

Yippie

[austere garnet]

Maybe I need a higher certified yapper role to yap my gifs here

[past current]

Litterally 1984

[austere garnet]

I’m gonna say something controversial, I don’t think any of the weapons feel good on heavy

Flamethrower is at least fun to use and oppressive for controlling cash outs

[restive plover]

https://tenor.com/view/boomerang-movie-gif-18744656

[austere garnet]

A shotgun that takes six hits to kill someone? ☠️

[restive plover]

Add a boomerang weapon for the lights

[austere garnet]

I should love the shotgun but I hate it

[restive plover]

🪃

Mediums can get a Springfield rifle, heavy can get a mini gun

So everyone gets something new

[austere garnet]

I think mediums should get a new kind of sniper rifle

[restive plover]

Yes a Springfield

[austere garnet]

Since they have both jump pads and zip lines it makes sense for them to get a new long range weapon

[restive plover]

Is like a sniper/hunting rifle

[austere garnet]

People be tryna snipe with FCAR rn ☠️

[restive plover]

https://tenor.com/view/gun-focus-snipe-sniper-target-gif-15483233

[austere garnet]

I think heavy should get another melee weapon

Maybe a claymore or something, big mf sword

[restive plover]

Mini guns though,the downside is once you start shooting you can only strafe

[austere garnet]

Heavy already has two weapons that are basically mini guns, so they’re fine there

[restive plover]

But but

[austere garnet]

I think light should get a compound bow and medium should get a crossbow

Heavy should get a deployable scorpion

[restive plover]

Boomerang that does like 40 damage in the front but if you hit from the back it does way more. Like the dagger.

For the lights

[austere garnet]

I will always be in favor of new melee weapons

[restive plover]

Boomerang 🪃

[austere garnet]

They are by far the most interesting weapons to me, I even love using the dagger

[restive plover]

Same

[austere garnet]

I’d love some kind of spear, like the glaives in Destiny 2

[restive plover]

Katana melee weapon for the mediums, or should that just be a skin

[gray jasper]

what’s best

[austere garnet]

Something about carrying a spear-like weapon in a first person shooter just feels so good

[austere garnet]

Probably skin

[gray jasper]

^

[restive plover]

It should effect how you attack, attacking with a katana the way you slice with the sword would look silly.

I need quick draw ninja slices

[austere garnet]

Speaking of skins for the sword, I’m still waiting on Embark to add the stick skin back into the game.

Did you know the sword only actually has two skins that are not just a coat of paint? One is the baseball bat (which we already have) and the other is the stick.

The stick was usable in the open beta, but they haven’t let us buy it yet in season 1.

[restive plover]

Ooooooo ninja star skin for throwing knives

[austere garnet]

Isn’t the spades skin already kinda like that?

[restive plover]

No? They are spades

[austere garnet]

If the new map is truly in Tokyo, Japan then you’ll definitely get your ninja stars

[restive plover]

Quoting Nemesis "SHTAAARSS"

[gray jasper]

what

[restive plover]

Resident evil

Nemesis?

He says Staaars when he talks

[austere garnet]

I still think the Flip Out Flayer skin for the dagger is my favorite skin in the entire game.

[restive plover]

Anyway, I think a rolling function would be nice as well.

[austere garnet]

Like Dark Souls?

[restive plover]

Dark Souls Ues

[austere garnet]

Maybe if it was an ability for the light class

[restive plover]

An ability just to roll? No, it's a function for everyone m

[austere garnet]

Dodge + Roll but it replaces your grapple/invis

Heavy can’t fit in vents and you think they’re getting the roll ability?

[restive plover]

They can stomp

[austere garnet]

They can do anything big destruction sure but they do not do mobility

[restive plover]

Ability power up cards, sacrifice your grenade and other tools for ability power up cards. Increase the length of your abilities, amount of usage before recharge or there overall effectiveness but that means less tools in the match for you. A grapple that can be used three extra times before cool down but. You have no nades, no smoke. No nothing.

[austere garnet]

Heavy should get a deployable trebuchet

[gray jasper]

what’s the best gadgets for heavy when you only have the default ones

[austere garnet]

Goo Gun

[restive plover]

Deployable shield

[austere garnet]

Wait goo gun is not a gadget sorry I misunderstood the question

[austere garnet]

Dome shield easily

[restive plover]

Is that default? I forget

[austere garnet]

I wish

[restive plover]

They asked for default

[austere garnet]

Tbh the default gadgets are usually very mid

You just wanna focus on unlocking stuff you actually wanna use ASAP

VRs are pretty easy to get

[restive plover]

Power slide, as an ability card for the lights slide far and fast three times like the dash. Or maybe just add a slide feature to the game and allow for dash to be used just before slide, for same effect

[austere garnet]

Sliding is already kind of OP if you use it on downward slopes

I never walk down slopes anymore

[restive plover]

It's not op, just aim downwards

Or get closer and use a burst weapon

Akimbo guns, work like normal more rapid fire. If you have trigger finger. Less accuracy, weapon add ons would be nice too. Adding and taking weapon parts from your guns.

[austere garnet]

I do want more hand cannons

They are a big part of why gunplay feels so good in Destiny 2

I feel like the aim assist is too weak on the medium’s hand cannon in The Finals though

[restive plover]

I said akimbo guns, I meant pistols not gand Canons.

[austere garnet]

Feels like damn stormtrooper aim if you don’t aim exactly where the enemy is

[austere garnet]

Like dual barrettas in Counter-Strike?

[restive plover]

Ooooooooooo a elephant rifle for the heavys and yes.

It has two shots, shirty reload time.

Like the lights double barrel

[austere garnet]

I still think heavy should get deployable artillery weapons like a scorpion or trebuchet

[austere garnet]

That might compel me to use Heavy

[restive plover]

Abnormally large bomb that could fill a room for a heavy ability

[austere garnet]

There’s three shotguns in the game and the DB is the only one that actually feels deadly to use

If a shotgun takes more than 2-3 hits to kill a medium then it feels like a damn nerf gun

There’s already so much risk with having to be in close range while using a shotgun, it needs to be worth the risk

[restive plover]

A elephant rifle killing everybody in one hit. Except other heavys, but the reload time is comparable to tying your shoes in the match plenty of opportunity for people to strike back.

[austere garnet]

We are for sure getting a new map for season 2, but I’d like to see one new gadget and weapon for each class too

[restive plover]

Slingshot weapon for the lights, can also shoot explosive balls.

Or put your grenades in it for more accuracy

[austere garnet]

I think the slingshot would be a perfect weapon for the light class

But I also want a bow

[restive plover]

I was serious about those boomerangs too

The glitch bombs should effect built in jump pads, the big ones

Wall running for a light ability, maybe it just incorporated the dash

Dash towards a wall at a certain angle and up you go

All three dashes to get up a tall building like the hospitals on the bridge map

Shovel skin for the sledgehammer

Big backflip jump ability for the lights

Medium get gadget boost as a ability, boost the number of throwables and mines they have for a few seconds.

Grapple being able to hook people doing minor damage besides bringing you right to them unless they are a light then you can pull each other off the ground.

Chain Sickle that takes actual skill to use.

Cut people from afar or swing wide to hot two people.

Sticky grenades

[austere garnet]

Gadget boost would be OP

Medium already has OP gadgets and we’re suggesting we let them deploy extras

[restive plover]

For a few seconds, this is an ability so they aren't deploying turrets. This replace turret

[austere garnet]

Idk it seems like a lazy ability, they can design something more interesting than a gadget boost

[restive plover]

I still say sacrifice your gadgets for ability boost cards is great idea

So each card effects differently, you must collect VR and be a certain level to have these available.

Maybe you have three cards and have no gadgets and you have a grapple. Three extra uses before recharge, maybe you have turret. Increase turret duration,or maybe the range of the turret by percentages up to fifteen percent going up by five for each card. For charge and slam you can increase duration or increase number of usage like this is how i imagine them being used

Booby trapping zip lines would be fun

[austere garnet]

😡

[restive plover]

Barbed wire? Or some type of explosive that hooks to the rope

[austere garnet]

I think a cooler trap gadget would be something where you can attach an electric current to things, like doors and zip lines

So someone gets on the zip and they don’t realize there’s an electric current running through it

Or the door zaps you when you interact with it

[restive plover]

Throwing javelins for heavys

[austere garnet]

I do want spear weapons

[restive plover]

Mediums can get that gun that shoots around corners by bending but it will have the lense glare like a sniper.

Kitchen Knife dagger skin

Or a mini katana since we are going eastern with next map

Medium ability, use radar tower. Heavy ability deployable mortar.

Light ability, illusions. Leaving fake copy of yourself in any position you have yourself in when you press the ability button. Leave up to five copies. Everytime you leave a copy the duration of the previous one drops.

Fix the crane towers

They only rotate to the left

Remember, the more work you put into the game the better it'll be. This game is already great and somewhat unique in the market keep it that way and make money. Also for the love of God,keep politics out of the game. I'm now done.

https://tenor.com/view/guy-im-the-guy-spy-kids-the-guy-gif-24510920

Hard Armor skins, cosmetic

[gleaming ridge]

I think a semi auto rifle of some kind would be awesome for mediums. Like an SKS style gun.

[austere garnet]

FAMAS

Also maybe medium should get a heavier SMG type weapon like a P90 or something

[past current]

I would like to see P90, and would be cool if it could penetrate thin walls

[austere garnet]

I think there should be another sniper rifle for the medium class, since they have access to stuff like zip lines it makes sense for that class to get some form of long range weapon.

I love zip lining onto the cranes and stuff, but then you’re up there tryna snipe with the damn FCAR

[past current]

Yeah, Medium should have sniper rifle, while Light should have iron sight bolt action, maybe with cut down barrel to make it less Range depended

[shrewd flower]

hein ??

[glacial stump]

Yes please something longer ranged than the fcar

[weak kernel]

What about a repulsor gadget for Light? Could get picks by knocking people off ledges or into hazards, deflect certain projectiles, maybe some emergent uses like propelling throwables faster and further or using them for impulse jumps.

[weary sigil]

requires too much thinking for average light, they can only point and click you are asking too much from them

[golden adder]

The only caveat I have for that is it shouldn’t affect cashout steals but I think it’d be cool.

[hoary temple]

(ranking up message spam 😦 )

[soft juniper]

I wish the Vanashing bomb bug could be fixed

[bold prism]

Wish the hit box could be fixed that way I’m not getting shot behind walls

[soft juniper]

I honestly cant believe im joining the boat of "Nerf Taser" it just feels way to massive of a denial to do anything like with heavys and mediums at least you can fight back but as a light there is 0 counter play I cant think of a good way to nerf it now but a good start would be to either increse the cooldown so they cant pop it as often or to reduce the stun time further I would say to either 1.5 sec or its based on each class (Lights = 1sec Mediums = 2sec Heavy = 3sec)

Im also saying this coming off a game where it was mostly lights and all they would do in any conflict was Taser kill move on

I also dont want to use taser because it feels like a crutch

[sinful dagger]

Does stun gun not always work?

A heavy was steal cash and I was within 2 meters and shot it to stop the cash but it either didn't hit him or had no effect

Is hip fire the problem?

[soft juniper]

no its 100% accurate and stun always works game might have said you hit soemthing else and thats also dumb

[radiant star]

Idk about the certain level req... the whole point is that you can unlock anything that looks interesting. IMO putting level caps on what you can or can't use would just hinder progression and make the game more unfun.

[waxen bloom]

hey hows everyonme

[unique badge]

Running Heavy with Mesh Barrier, Lewis Gun, Barricade, Done Shield and RPG. I feel the dome shield gets bursted too early as an ability and the barricade placements could be a bit wider or reshaped

[remote turtle]

good

[rose scarab]

GUYS I UNLOCKED EVERYTHING

[forest pawn]

poggers

[unique badge]

Pogchamperino get it

[river dirge]

did nuke get nerfed?

[shrewd flower]

Love the ai

Ak and the défib wow

[river dirge]

Ak over fcar?

[stoic burrow]

[reef sage]

It still kills but they added trajectory to the red canister so it's more difficult to always have a direct hit. Red canister before would always move in a straight line and explode on impact, now it bounces around before exploding

[clever fox]

Nerf light

[smoky maple]

WOOOOO

[shrewd flower]

waaaaa

nooo

[fickle coral]

what are your thoughts about riot shield?

[reef sage]

It's amazing but has some requirements. For example, you need to learn how to run turned a bit to the right so the shield actually blocks

[fickle coral]

still have some problems with it but Im learning ya know

[reef sage]

It's hard to learn but easy to master, you got this

[fickle coral]

thanks man

[tribal sleet]

bro is playing a tank build with all those barriers and shields that’s awesome. I’ve thought about running something similar. how does it perform?

[royal thicket]

simple: you don't

[golden adder]

Pray season 2 makes the MGL viable before subjecting yourself to playing with it

[unique badge]

the barricades are good because you can dome shield to get your med or light player in to start the steal and then place barricades to cover them and use your mesh barrier for an extra layer

also if we're defending our cashouts the barricades are so good at blocking doors and forcing angles. I could place up to 6 in most defending cashouts

[young quail]

Gas mask for lights that lasts like 30 seconds and makes it hard too see

[unique badge]

don't you have thermal vision and cloak for these?

[young quail]

Cashout gets gased all the time so you can still get it while gased

Idk im not cooking with these ideas

Also like a semi auto anti material rife for heavys that can shoot threw walls and armoured stuff

[warm lion]

or they can just properly throw a pyro grenade

[unique badge]

Gas is powerful but all the mines can be popped early and any barrel type throwable can be picked up and thrown elsewhere. So its more of an execution thing at that point

[golden adder]

Mines and C4* would be a lot more fair if shooting an enemy mine destroyed it without triggering it

[unique badge]

i think its fair as is but gas, pyro, glitch mines shouldn't be as powerful or equal to the grenade version

[fiery ocean]

I agree with this. I switched from explosive to gas for this reason - people started to expect explosives and pop them early. Versus gas mines it still renders an area dangerous if they do that ☺️

[dusky vessel]

Funny

[night turret]

@fiery ocean them mines are so deadly I was using them as heavy in the event you just lock down the cash

[steady shell]

hi there. is there something like a hidden ranking? or why does a gold get unranked bronze and silver mates only?

[wicked flame]

I think that a new gun would be pretty new

[digital saddle]

controversial

[turbid steppe]

Dont worry, im a diamond and still get matched with bronze and silvers, the matchmaking just sucks

[hybrid furnace]

Yo I’m back with another idea!!! U think a gas mask would be a cool universal gadget? Kind of similar to how it works in warzone where it starts to break over time then would go on a cool-down then be fully repaired again?? (Again love Embark devs and everything your doing if u read this!!) [feel free to react to this msg if u like the idea! Who knows Embark may add it???] im delusional…

[wanton void]

i like this actually - gas is definitely a little bit excessive with its AoE, damage rate, and duration, which for me is the biggest issue. gas mask nerfs it BUT requires other teams to sacrifice a gadget in order to combat it.

[hybrid furnace]

Thanks for the reply! I’m glad u like the idea and totally agree! Makes for some more unique counterplay interactions rather than having to carry fire to remove gas all the time

[junior bobcat]

you guys see the new ottr video about gadgets?

[uncut timber]

Here’s a cool little concept i’ve had.

I believe that the sniper rifle should not be limited to just light players. But I also see why this is, as the light kit is a great fit for the sniper with many trade offs. So heres an idea.

A heavy duty barrett sniper rifle. It can be a specialization, and not a main weapon. It can work like the Goo gun, having its own seprete magazine of around 4-5 shots. There is a slight cooldown between each shot, keeping it from being spammed. Reloding it takes a VERY long time.

A single bullet can deal around 140 damage to a body shot, and a rewarding 200 for a headshot. This makes it a threat, but is balanced out by its many cooldowns and slow usage. (etc it takes a long time to scope in and theres heavy recoil.)

What can make this weapon more unique as it has the ability to penetrate walls, allowing you to hit opponents who are behind cover. I think though that opponents hit with a bullet through a wall should deal half the damage. (140 -> 70 200 -> 100) This can balance it out a bit.

I know this probably wont be seen, but still thank you!

[cedar flicker]

The sniper alr does the damage ur asking for this sniper wouldn’t fit into the meta. The reason light has sniper too is because it’s the weakest class In terms of HP and giving snipers to “slow guys with 350 hp” creates tanks that either die cause they can’t move anywhere or deadly killers with good aim who can just sit in a dome or behind a barricade picking ppl off. Or mediums with 250 HP that can launch themselves in the air and hit sniper shots from roofs or just in the air in general. It’s a balancing thing. But again the regular sniper I think does 140-160 per body shot and headshots are 230-240. I don’t remember the actual values but another sniper would just be pointless rn

[uncut timber]

I see your point but I think it could come into some use. The statistics can always be changed. Just offering more long range to other classes. It’s more of a risk/reward type thing. You lose one of your 3 teammates who is just sitting somewhere sniping. Also with the amount of coverage the maps have, I think that there would be enough options to go around it. Maybe it can be like a one shot thing. Or a headshot can do 195.

[cedar flicker]

While I like ur method of thinking unfortunately ppl don’t like one shots in games anymore as that is called “skill less” and especially in this game where ppl absolutely hate one shots. Hence rpg nerf not one shotting lights anymore. I just don’t think another sniper fits into the meta unfortunately because of how good our current sniper is. Maybe if the sniper has a unique perk to it like you said maybe it goes thru walls or maybe explosive bullets that could be used to destroy certain bits of building after shooting it 3-4 times. But I think a proper DMR not like the LH1 but a dmr with a scope and resemblance of a better mid to long range weapon would be a better fit. The most I can see with another sniper is faster fire rate lower damage atp tho.

[chilly turret]

Barrett could be like the sledgehammer, for environmental destruction

[obtuse axle]

I really think The Finals should introduced unrealistic weapons like laser guns or something, I got this idea from the raygun skin on the v9s as it is really good. Like Imagine railguns in the finals.

[unique badge]

I think sticking to actual guns rather than fantasy would keep it grounded to an fps. games like apex provide that kind of gameplay

[sullen tree]

I think as well that they should lean more into the destruction on each class, instead of just letting heavy have the lion's share.

The game was mostly marketed around the destruction mechanics, but the only destruction tool not on heavy is the little breaching charge on light.

It just really lowers the ability to intelligently destroy and make new paths that the game was sold on.

[fast fjord]

The bombs classes that throw like with the charge or mine on canister are way to deadly they can knock out a whole team and I think they’re should be a limit to go far it can travel with it on it or just one on it

[radiant crescent]

We did it guys

[formal dew]

what did you do?

[radiant crescent]

Community event

[formal dew]

oh ok sick

[sick sand]

ggs

[tawny elm]

anyone have arguments for zip v jumppad

really struggling to choose one

[radiant crescent]

Jumpad solos

Jumpad is better because with the zip line your going in a straight line and your enemies know where your going and it’s pretty easy to laser you down with an fcar or smth but with jumpad it’s more unpredictable or if u want to u can use both

[tawny elm]

ok so what you mean by solos

[radiant crescent]

It’s better

[tawny elm]

like if you solo Queu

[radiant crescent]

Yea

[limber portal]

Cl40 with mines is so fun

You can drop explosive mines on people from above and just set them off instantly

[radiant crescent]

did they buff the china lake I thought it was trash but I’m getting destroyed in lobbies with it

[tawny elm]

oh ok thank you then I will try that

[limber portal]

Holy shit it’s sadlad

[sullen tree]

ye, it's me

[unique badge]

jump pad is harder to control zipline is consistent and goes farther. if anyone says you're easier to shoot on the zipline the logical response is if you are free in the air you are easier to shoot at

[tawny elm]

ythank you, I was leaning towards zipline, but seems less peop[le play it was wasnt sure why

[unique badge]

well the other argument is you can do more escape plays with jump pad. I run Healing Beam FCAR Defibrilator Zipline and Frag or Gas Grenade for reference

[tawny elm]

makes sense to me. I like the motility of the zip. I also run defib and grenade/gas, so really looking at which of the two i would use

don't think I would run both at the same time

[quasi scroll]

yoo

[tawny elm]

hi?

[quasi scroll]

i think the jumpad is better then the zip

[fresh kelp]

Guys do the skins released in store stay in game forever? Except like the valentines wrapper skin

[teal lance]

Any good way to level cloak? I feel like I'm cloaked most of the match but only get like 300 xp for it

[oak robin]

CL-40 + Gas Mine = mega destruction. 11/10 I do recommend

[long plover]

Crying as a melee enjoyer ;_;

[tropic snow]

Make it a WW2 anti materiel rifle, iron sight only, bolt action single fire, high damage to structures

[warm lion]

brinmg pyronades

[long plover]

i'll bring my buddy with flamethrower ^^

[warm lion]

close enough

[dawn glen]

I think it would be interesting to see slow-mo grenades or even a specialisation being added to the game.

It would work just like at the end of a match, when everything slows down for a few seconds and you can still kill players.

It would probably work best as a specialisation, slowing down enemies as well as yourself.

Could be op paired with a sniper though, so it would be best not to give it to the light.

[foggy kestrel]

we need more snipers or get the current one buffed. This is a would be fun to play with

[topaz sparrow]

Does smoke help invisibility?

[tropic snow]

ngl, that sounds annoying and frustrating to play against, imagine getting slow moed and tazed at the same time

[dawn glen]

Yes, I know that it can be annoying, but it could be an interesting addition to the game

[chilly turret]

Placing jump-pads on angled surfaces launches you really fucking far

[dawn glen]

True, especially in low gravity, but ziplines give you more control over where you land

Plus you can travel farther with them

Since I first used the zipline, I haven't used the jump pad again

[chilly turret]

That is also true. I like using jump pad when using the stationary ones already on the map for a double-jump of sorts

[dawn glen]

I currently have the red skin on the zip

[chilly turret]

Like the triangle jump pads

[dawn glen]

Yeah, I used to do that too

[chilly turret]

I just think bouncing is more fun- sure I like to say “weeeeee!” On a zip but still

[hoary coral]

Would it be cool if we had like a clone specialisation and like a teleporter?

Guess the teleporter should be to the medium and the clone maybe light but idk

[restive plover]

It could be fun if the round prebuilt round jump pads that are on the map acted more as trampoline. The higher you fall from and more momentum you have the higher jump you get. Edit: Keep the round and triangle pads as is but had a new square shaped one that functions as trampoline.

[chilly turret]

Name it the re-bounce pad

[restive plover]

Love it! Just another way to add a bit more strategy and chaos without going overboard.

[tropic snow]

short range single use single person teleporter for light. Would be useful as a quick get of jail free card when making risky pushes

[hoary coral]

Yea true

[dawn glen]

Similar to yoru's gatecrash from valorant? (sorry)

[tropic snow]

not familiar with Valorant

[dawn glen]

Good

[tropic snow]

I played it a bit when it came out, never been more angry and depressed before in my life

[dawn glen]

I thankfully managed to get my brother to quit val and play the finals instead

[tropic snow]

doing gods work

[dawn glen]

I was also the one that got him into valorant

[tropic snow]

the devils work too...

[dawn glen]

I hope I won't regret getting him to play the finals

[brittle bear]

fav combo right here

[lucid sorrel]

how u got sledge on not heavy wtf

[brittle bear]

its a menu bug, its pretty funny, example

big guy tiny knife

[ornate gazelle]

If the game threw a gas launcher at the little guy to go head-to-head with the heavy guy's flamethrower, it would be an epic battle, I said it lightly.

[lucid sorrel]

Lol

[bleak hedge]

I have some ideas of getting one gun of each type of character, by that I mean light, medium and heavy which are a crossbow for light, a bow and arrow for medium and a harpoon for heavy that you need to pull back when shot at opponents.

[subtle glade]

WHAT ARE THEY

[paper bluff]

hello

[uncut timber]

Oh yeah that’s a good alternative

[vital forge]

Did barricades purposely get nerfed to death? You cannot deploy & swap to primary quickly any longer. Can't pull out your primary unless you look completely away from it. I def don't want to pick up the barricade...I want to shoot.

[cinder oriole]

i havent noticed much of a difference

[vital forge]

Before you had to look at the base to pick it up wich was perfect. Now you pick it up by from anywhere...meaning you cannot swap to primary when you're behind it.

[rain nova]

This has been happening to me as well. Really annoying

[winter zodiac]

i thinbk thats how it is

[vital forge]

Yea & it's horrible. That isn't how it was. Now it is a death sentence to place a barricade mid fight.

[high nest]

Hear me out a inspect animation for all the nade variants were you juggle them

[inner orchid]

#medium-build-main

[waxen bloom]

hello

[royal flicker]

Only active when you have 3 or more nades In your load outs. With a secret ability to let you drop all of them at your feet at once

[humble latch]

Does anyone else want executions or finishers whatever u want to call it in the finals that u can unlock or buy?

Like go up right behind them and holding down the button to punch someone

[royal flicker]

So, just a better dagger then

[humble latch]

Maybe like a 2 second finishers simple like the can put the dagger in the head and then for medium put a goo grenade in their mouth and then the opponents explode into goo and then for heavy using the sledgehammer to slam the opponent into the ground

The light the medium the heavy

[uncut timber]

Concept: Acid Grenade

For Medium or light only

When thrown, it explodes on the ground spreading the acid around the same radius as a pyro grenade. If you step on it, it deals 10 damage. Its main use is its ability to melt through structures, which takes around 4 seconds. This can help create openings in walls, floors, and even ceilings. It also has the ability to slowly melt away shields if it’s thrown at one. This also provides more destruction for non heavy classes.

(Image was just stolen off of google)

[ocean zinc]

Has the dagger ever been buffed yet?

[next saddle]

put it on light

[next saddle]

ngl i think a medium c4/breach variant would be enough

[uncut timber]

Yeah, I understand your point and agree. I just think it would be cool to get another utility in the game

[patent cliff]

sounds fire

[uncut timber]

Thanks

[patent cliff]

they should make it so u can hold the charge

[uncut timber]

Same for the throwing knives

[patent cliff]

throwing knives has throwing in its name for a reason

[uncut timber]

I meant like the right click

and it’s one of those things where it auto throws after like 2 seconds

[patent cliff]

still i don't think i've been intimidated by a throwing knife user xD its a free kill

[uncut timber]

You’d be surprised

[patent cliff]

nah bro, 2 tap with heavy shotgun

[uncut timber]

Throwing knives can go crazy if the person is good with them. They have a REALLY high skill ceiling. Pretty sure a right click to the head can one shot a medium

[patent cliff]

no way bro

bro light is fragile as it is, so the user would be required to headshot everytime for it to be effective

[uncut timber]

Not really. With the combination of dashing or invisibility you can get an easy pick as a light

[patent cliff]

idk what lobbies u play in but that shit don't slide in my lobbies xD

maybe for quick cash or something, but a good ranked team its never working

[uncut timber]

brother, if you’re good at the weapon you can do major damage

[patent cliff]

i shouldn't say never, but its pretty hard to pull off