💣┇weapons-gadgets

[soft trout]

so just a gas barrel with two c4's on it

how many c4s do you have

[distant hawk]

2

[misty axle]

The only counter against nuking that I know of is APS Turret (sometimes), but a CL-40 shot before they throw it is always hilarious.

[soft trout]

i shot one before

[sour crypt]

What's a weapon that you would add to each class?

For me, I think light should have a deagle. Medium should have some sort of single shot rifle. And heavy should have a sniper rifle

[soft juniper]

so putting stuff on throwables will make it hard to throw so take care when doing the C4 gas

[tranquil ferry]

lol

[turbid umbra]

yo

[frozen maple]

I think heavy is not that type of the class which should have a sniper rifle. And I think, mediums could have a gun which they have on their turret though

[sour crypt]

I disagree, I think that heavy with low mobility would do well to have a heavy sniper rifle. 140dmg but maybe only 5 bullets with a long reload something.

Sit in place and do damage.

Similar to the grenade launcher but filling a different niche

[soft juniper]

the point of the heavy is to be a front liner for your team honestly I find Sniper lights usless but give it to a heavy I would hate that even more

[balmy comet]

I'm constantly surprised the tracking dart is a medium gadget rather than light. Just seems like it'd make the most sense for better enabling hit and run tactics on light

[blazing stratus]

Make a gadget where Heavy can grab a light or medium and choke them the fk out

[half gull]

The final tic of dmg that the charge and slam does should be an execution that does the "choke them the fk out" thing

[blazing stratus]

charge n slam not rly effective against lights tbh i can tell when i play light myself, its sloppy and slow

[tranquil ferry]

i love dodging the charge and slam it makes me laugh

[blazing stratus]

^

[tranquil ferry]

but when you’re me and your primary right now is a heavy with an M60 and you need to reload but it takes forever and all your gadgets are on cooldown, sometimes charge and slam is the only thing you can do if quick melee wont work

[blazing stratus]

i mean its a good move but not against lights, but if they could add like choke and slam type of move it could be nice ngl cuz soon as u close range with a light u can actually grab him or whatever, makes things fair.

[tranquil ferry]

yeah lights with that evasive dash vs charge and slam heavy is hilarious

[blazing stratus]

its so easy to smoke tanks with stun and uzi bro like it feels like you fighting a anotehr light when u see the heal goes down

[half gull]

It wouldn't be about effectiveness, its about disrespect.

[blazing stratus]

i mean idc about disrespecting ngl i just care about the classes to be "fair" since the tank is a whole ass tank how come medium and light can smoke him with no effort

whens season 2 coming out
😮

[balmy comet]

After season 1

[ashen girder]

Should my next weapon be flamethrower 🔥 or dagger🗡️

[balmy comet]

Flamethrower if you like burning things, dagger if you like dying

[warped geode]

I wonder if the devs have gotten any ideas from people in the server

[balmy comet]

I hope not

[hoary quest]

Im gonna be honest and say that i think sledgehammer’s lack of range and engagement tools really drag that weapon down bc charge n slam is not that good of a fix

Like yea ik that its a melee weapon but even then it sucks at being one

[manic steeple]

Mediums should have inflatable clones

[bright shadow]

Why are u able to heal heavies/ppl in general while they are being shot it makes no sense and needs to be fixed

[minor rune]

The aps turret it's fine as it is (i just said that just for a joke bc some people say buff this, nerf that...)

[uncut cliff]

re nerf the grenade launcher

its too much damage for what it achieves, nerf the reload speed at least so it actually takes time to reload

they are way too much the spam, something needs to be done about it.

also completely get rid of invunlerability on defib

[uncut cliff]

also also, nerf turret health, this 20 health nerf was awful

make it 200 at least

[uncut cliff]

ALSO ALSO ALSO, JUST TAKE THE RPG OUT

[hardy slate]

nah sledge hammer is peak

[ashen robin]

Gadget laser watch - shooting this burns lights or poisons heavies

[brittle wigeon]

w

[ashen robin]

I did, now my heavy is a mine man

[soft juniper]

honestly I kinda agree I would use the tracking dart on light that way and I would love if they moved the LH1 to the medium feels better if it was on them

[lethal thicket]

Looking for a third team mate ENGAGINGTREE#0800

[soft juniper]

please ask in the lfg (Looking for game) servers and in your region too thanks

[restive plover]

Obv not have you seen the patch notes “slighting increased accuracy to a weapon that was slow as fuck” “slightly increased the damage of a weapon so it looks like a buff but changes nothing”

[warped geode]

Yea it does the littles guns do hella damage

[restive plover]

I’m talking the lh1 which takes the same amount of shots to kill as before, and the throwing knives that are straight garbage

[soft juniper]

throwing knifes are good they just have a high skill ceiling

[restive plover]

Don’t lie my man the ttk on that shit is crazy

[soft juniper]

ttk don't matter if you always win your fights + throwing knife has no reload so I got no down time of damage

[restive plover]

The grenade launcher is something I would call, "slow as fuck". The delay between shots is absolutely painful.

[restive plover]

Yes I’m always gonna win my fights when the time it takes to even throw the fuckers is the time it takes for me to die bc yes, how do you win your fights if your ttk is worse than the opponents but you’re at the same skill level

[soft juniper]

look I like Throwing knifes they fit my style of play over any other weapon in the game and I do very well with it

[restive plover]

And good for you I’m sure that’s because you have 100’s of hours with them, but the same can be said with anybody with 100’s of hours with any weapon and chances are when you run into a heavy with 100’s of hours on Lewis gun, shotgun, rpg, wtv you’re probably not winning in that situation

[dusky summit]

Are we able to get an M32 Buff? Either increase its explosion radius or make it explode on impact, in exchange for increased self-explosion damage. I'd say that'd be prett balanced

[restive plover]

What if lights got an ospuze can as a main gadget that temporarily boosted speed

[crude goblet]

I feel like flashbangs need to last longer the closer u are to it, something needs to happen to it

a melee sensitivity would be nice

I feel like the heavy class needs a new weapon or gadget it has the least of the classes

[soft juniper]

having it explode on impact with players would be the best thing for it would give you a chance to kill melee players alittle better

I still like the bounce it has but just when the shell hits the player make it explode

[dusky summit]

It is explode on impact with players

[soft juniper]

never had it I watched it bounce off people when I shoot at them with it

[dusky summit]

I spent the last 3 hours using it with my buddies and it does, though it can be a bit finicky up close with people, specifically Lights

If it didn't direct impact it literally couldn't be used

[soft juniper]

hmmm I think its when it was up close

I will give it test run with a friend another day

[half void]

Cod drill charge???? Idk it sounds so horrific to play against

[ashen robin]

Microwave Gadget - Ruins sonar and recon in its vicinity

[plain sapphire]

glitch grenade is kinda mid

[uncut cliff]

The grenade launchers don't deserve to have the power and presence they have as a main weapon with unlimited ammo. Just make them a specialisation with a long ass cool down and limited ammo.

[zealous rampart]

glitch grenades dont stop steals, right?

[lucid quartz]

G c good

[cosmic bronze]

alsoo

[soft juniper]

No it can’t it only disrupts turrets, Mines, stops players from using gadgets and specials and completely destroy shields if I correct

If they could change glitch slightly I would say 1. Impact explode I don’t like how long it takes to go off 2. Make it so it resets progress when taking a cash

[ashen robin]

Medicine Ball Gadget: Throw this to beef up.\

[wheat palm]

M4A1 for mediums

[grave field]

Question, does the medium build grenade launcher do damage to self? If you’re in the blast radius?

[tame comet]

Yes

[spark saddle]

Thoughts on R.357?

[restive plover]

I would say the same with most machine guns. In the real world the constant firing (and fast magazine replacement) would drastically reduce the gun reliability. Would be nice to see the game reflect this. For example, a loss of calibration, pin lockup, or complete blowout.

Furthermore, if the grenade launcher is to be a slow loader then it should be realistic. One shot - BOOM! You're dead.

[restive plover]

Stand in front of a wall and shoot it. Yes, the blast will cause self damage.

[slim hatch]

imagine using the rpg, when you can barricade up 😎

[restive plover]

Weapons I would love to see. Nunchaku, high damage double-barrel shotgun, whoopee cushion (explosive shit, gas).

[warm lion]

funny gas mine skin

[rugged crest]

give heavy potato gun

no potato gun skin for grenade launcher!! actual potato gun!!

[uncut cliff]

literally everyone uses the RPG and dome shield or barricade, there is no heavy not taking RPG

[slim hatch]

I am the heavy that's not taking rpg 😎

[uncut cliff]

sure you are XD literally no point in not taking it, its so busted.

[slim hatch]

I don't like it, I find barricade more funni with mines and random stuff

I only take out the rpg if theres a random sniper camping in crane, otherwise barricade all the way 😎

[pale edge]

what do you do with barricades

[soft juniper]

Hello heavy who take no rpg how are you doing

[tiny pulsar]

Would love a burst fire gun like a M16

[crude goblet]

Totally agree

[finite sierra]

I’m heavy in the finals

[earnest shuttle]

I've been reading that the R.357 was overall nerfed, but honestly it feels p decent? I don't think they needed to touch damage at range, but I don't think its too bad. idk am I crazy?

[broken herald]

NERF THE DAMN FLAMETHROWRR

[tame wave]

ong NERF that flamethrower

[stray thorn]

The fact that they even buffed it back after the problems it caused in beta baffles me

[tame wave]

bro it hits me through the floor if they do not change this probably everybody just gonna stop playing

[restive plover]

You can pop a barricade in your face mid-fight and have a perfect head glitch instantly, and they give you a shit ton of support score

[pale edge]

What’s a head glitch

[tame wave]

bruh

[pale edge]

Lol

[stray thorn]

I can’t necessarily blame him for not knowing

[pale edge]

Ya so what is it?

[alpine sonnet]

Does anyone have the fall off for every weapon (at range)?

[alpine sonnet]

Tbh, I feel this exactly, which is precisely why it has nerfed damage at range. If it could beam me the exact same way / damage at close range as far, there would be literally no reason to play light / LH1 would be just a worse Revolver version

The funniest tech to me is Revolver 1 HS on light, swap and kill with Dart Gun

[earnest shuttle]

to be fair, they did a number on the LH1... But yeah with the headshot damage where it is, earlier drop off damage isnt that big a deal imo

[earnest shuttle]

a head glitch is when you can shoot from behind cover easily, but enemies can only see the top of your head. Easy for you to shoot them, hard for them to shoot you.

It works because usually bullets actually come from a player's eyes, not their gun. Depends on the game tho

[pale edge]

Oh

That’s annoying

[alpine sonnet]

The LH1 is perfectly balanced currently, to my dismay. If it had Red Dot it would be way stronger (which I would really like), The recoil is absolutely atrocious, that definitely needs to be toned down a bit. But if it was any stronger it would be the best gun in the game imo

Heavy Barricade head glitching is super annoying when i'm on XP-54 only. After that idrc because you can just beam them + Gas nade but it is annoying

[uncut cliff]

how? dont just say nerf it. bring ideas

[alpine sonnet]

Flamethrower doesn't need to be nerfed and I say this as a Light main. It's hilariously niche and meme. Only good against bad players

[tame wave]

buddy yeah it’s funny until your trying to keep objective and then get fucking shit on in 2 seconds with a flame thrower and lose

[restive plover]

Question? Haven't tried the Bazooka but what is the expected reload time? Was in a match where someone was blasting away and I'm pretty sure it's not possible to reload that quickly.

[alpine sonnet]

You do not need to be sitting right on top of the objective to watch and defend it. Unless you're a melee and then you just got countered for being melee, which is fair and balanced

[earnest shuttle]

It's a decently long cooldown. But if they die -> respawn (not from a res, but natually), it will be off cooldown. Depending on the game mode, that can seem pretty fast

[restive plover]

What I experienced was a consistent stream of shots for about 30 seconds. Took out an entire building during that time. It was totally pointless to resist (ended up going for another vault instead).

[earnest shuttle]

Yeah that's not supposed to happen.

[ivory dust]

R.357 main here. Yes you are being crazy, most of long range shots WILL NOT be headshots, and let me tell you something, the revolver has only 6 bullets and to kill a heavy in clone range it is 5 bullets to the chest, 5 out of 6 (missed one? Die.) A médium? 4 bullets. And you can say “but the revolver shines at headshots” and you are right! but again, long range engagements you will not risk your position and first shot advantagr by trying a headshot, therefore the damage that is already bad in the body at close range, becomes worst at 23meters dude… 23 meters with An obstructive iron sight you should be REWARDED for landing the shot, not penalized wtf. And AK or FCAR do The same as you do, with room for error and more dps overall since they have more bullets, long story short? Revolver needed a byff, not a nerf.

I have a good aim, and i can say for sure i do much more damage with An rifle even before the nerf… I did not understood why they messed up the revolver. often ppl come and say “but there were Players using the revolver as a pocket sniper” and when i saw a dude saying that then i can say for sure that he did not even tried playing with the revolver…

[bleak oriole]

imagine goo trap

it ensnares people for some time

smoke trap though would be wierd and not very useful

[blazing spear]

theres dozens of cool melee weapons that can be added, but nunchaku would be one of the best

[hardy slate]

they should add more weapons that can destroy stuff fast

like a bit slower than sledge fast

like a rocket launcher

or a battering ram

ROCJET JUMPING
make tf2 soilder weapon

[peak vale]

yeah they should add an rpg

[hardy slate]

but as a primary

and more rockets

[restive plover]

One more I forgot to mention would be a Bear Trap. When a player hits the trap they are stuck for X seconds and must toggle the controller to be freed. During this struggle they lose damage points. Heavy usage only.

[umbral harness]

I'm not saying this is useless but I'm not saying this is useful where would they put this behind doors people normally blow up and even then I don't see a way they could use this since everybody usually carries an explosive there has to be at least one person on your team or the enemy team that has some type of explosive that could level a building Not only would that destroy the bear trap but it would probably have a low HP and almost nobody is going to be using this purely because the fact that it's going to take up an inventory space and the only way you're really going to be using this is by camping unless you're at the objective which is probably going to get leveled by numerous explosions I don't see you a way of this working I don't even see a way of this working with an indestructible area because the grenades rocket launchers and flamethrowers they all deal damage to equipment and other gadgets it's going to remove them but there are some positives to this if you use this with gas containers and throw it at players you can make the player stuck while the gas does the work and instead of a wiggle system put up an attempt system where they have to try to get out of it with attempts the maximum is five attempts before it gives them a Pity attempt and it lets them go but they get reduced movement speed by 20%

I misplaced so many words doing that but when you're typing paragraphs that happens God I hate typos

but here's my weapon medium exclusive similar to the turret it just has a flamethrower it does 3.2/4 the damage of pyro grenades but it has a small detection range but it has double the HP combat that with an overheat system if it gets too hot while firing it stops and cools down and deploys a Shield The Shield has 50 HP it's a small one only able to cover that turret

Bullets will pass through it but it won't affect the turret

a light class exclusive Gadget hologram projectors it shows a fake version of the player it doesn't give Aura reads you can slightly tell by the Hologram not having an HP bar pop up it shoots at you but it doesn't take any HP you can destroy it by you throwing a glitch grenade or it triggering a glitch mine or by shooting it to disrupt it but doing this reveals your location and HP two charges

a heavy exclusive this weapon allows for good area control and different play Styles and picking people off from ranges the m2940 an semi-automatic bolt action sniper rifle 49 rounds this weapon is based off of the NTW 20 and M250 now let's get into the bad parts about it you are even slower you can no longer take zip lines and one of your gear slots is no longer equippable because you get the option to turn on ballistic and incinerary rounds ballistic rounds explode on impact and can destroy a wall Within 9 shots incinerary rounds can go through walls and deal fire damage the price tag for this would be the most expensive in the game 3000 also the reload time is 30 seconds good luck with that also you break jump pads and disable the permanent jump pads for 15 seconds with power there comes a lot of disadvantages

also a smoke gas launcher would be a good Gadget for heavies

six shots

getting up to high places would be a nightmare but would re-pay very nicely turning the heavy into a tanky sniper probably one of the best things since they're not going to be the main person killing you anymore unless they go hit fire the bullets travel in a very straight line except the ballistics

[ancient forge]

Does anyone else have a glitch where they can’t shoot after spawning

[plain breach]

What we taking as Medium - Fcar or AK? - I've been hitting the FCAR a lot and nearly maxed it's skins out. But what are others preferences?

[jade shadow]

I lowkey like the ak & the lever action shotty @plain breach

[coarse ravine]

lever action is a beast

[north valve]

Try melee attack or reload

[golden adder]

UI needs to fade when you’re looking towards it, not just when aiming down sights.

Opacity settings in general are needed for UI

[worn flicker]

I haven't had the chance to play 1.6.0 yet, but read the patch notes. Was it considered to also apply team colors to the healing beam? I think that would have the same awareness benefit that the shield colors will add.

[sharp hill]

F

[uncut cliff]

Why do grenades 1 shot a light?

[warm lion]

no they don't

[uncut cliff]

YES THEY DO xd

ive literally just tested it XDXDXDXD

You never have anything good to add to anything i say, you are literally just anti anything i say when all i have been is right

[blissful blade]

need ak buff

need c4 nerf player dmg

[warm lion]

it does 149 damage
that's not one shot

[plain breach]

Just switched back to the AK and I like it a lot. Does require a lower mouse sense thou

[midnight leaf]

Please fix the inconsistent reload times on the Model 1887. The animations are very cool, but it needs to be fired as soon as a shell goes in, and the reloads take longer depending on how much ammo is loaded.

Inconsistencies = death. Can’t use an RNG gun

[plain breach]

True, true. I like!

[leaden wind]

wwell..

[coarse olive]

the gas canister + c4 should be nerfed ASAP

[frozen frost]

Ak don’t need buff the clip makes up for it. use scar

[blissful blade]

if no c4 nerf i want ak buff

or maby more health on light and med

[orchid ravine]

Does the Drakon Blast skin have a unique weapon inspect?

[tame wave]

NERF the flame thrower

[warm lion]

just run away from it
and if you're any class other than light you can probably kill them faster

[opal oxide]

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheFinalsAcademy/s/DZxydVJ9hJ

[tame wave]

it’s still bs

[raven pewter]

new patch had no weapon balancing bruh wtf im uninstallin this shit

[dusky heron]

nade go boom, love dat part

jump pad go up zipline go zoom, luh that part

[warm lion]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1166389620255232031/1169709374663565332/360-flammer.gif?ex=655663bf&is=6543eebf&hm=9c84c420569b9eea14bd56c97fd120201a676bd2dacd3d5ed92ce7e31ea9b185&

[violet vigil]

All gadets are 100% balanced

[icy hemlock]

man the AK feels so trash tier after using the scar for so long

[violet vigil]

no

[icy hemlock]

yes

[violet vigil]

no

[icy hemlock]

yes

[meager smelt]

anybody like the tracking dart? its like a mini-game within the game

[icy hemlock]

oh dude i love it

i run med w healing beam, scar, a bunch of other shit and tracking dart
my buddy either also runs med with scar or light with sniper and we can just beam people on their way to cashout

buys us a lot of time as they take time reviving their dead teammates and stuff on the way
i didn't know how good it was until i learned it granted your entire team visibility on a target and not just you

it lets me run healing beam instead of feeling locked into going recon senses

[meager smelt]

not just your team, other teams can see it too

[icy hemlock]

thats news

i cant reckon that changes my opinion on it much, but thats an interesting note

[meager smelt]

sometimes can be at one cashout and shoot someone at other cashout and they will soon die

also it does 50 dmg on hit and is instant fire

[tame comet]

Did embark constrain themself making L, M, H versus just making them named characters?

[warm lion]

why would they be named

[icy hemlock]

i mean why would you want Little TImmy, Sarah, and Gorlock

theres no point as opposed to jsut having light, med, heavy
appeals to more ppl since they get to craft their own identity and builds

[tame comet]

Just if they wanted to add another class, what do you add

[icy hemlock]

GIGA HEAVY

[tame comet]

Gorlock class when?

[warm lion]

ultralight with 25 hp when

[icy hemlock]

ngl if they did add another class a Specialist class could be interesting but idk what it would "specialize" in

[tame comet]

Specialize in complaints from the discord server

[icy hemlock]

lmao my only complaint with the game is just region lock china

besides that i think the game is in a great spot and things will get balanced and unbalanced as time goes on

[tame comet]

Specialist class that can blur lines between H, L, M. Mixing the available guns and gadgets loadouts

[icy hemlock]

yeah but the issue is you can kind of already do that now

[warm lion]

a specialist, by taking stuff from the other classes that make those classes special
??

[icy hemlock]

heavy can be longer range already with nukes, rpg, lewis gun
can also be close range with shotgun, c4, or sledgehammer

[meager smelt]

no need to add another class imo

[icy hemlock]

i think right now the 3 classes are good and what they need is just more gadgets and weapons rather than a whole new class

it's a lot easier to balance a new weapon than it is to balance an entirely new class as well

i still think the LH-1 should have a been a medium weapon and not a light weapon
and the CL-40 should have been a light weapon

[mint karma]

Lol I agree. I sometimes use it in QP with revolver because it fills the 5hp gap that double body shot or headshot leaves on a light.

[fallen mango]

I played some rounds with the M60 and even after the buff I don't see what it's doing better than the Lewis Gun.

[mint karma]

It technicaly has better TTK I think and mag is bigger I think. But yeah Lewis is def better.

[spring lagoon]

g

[graceful jungle]

Is it a bad take to say that nukes just shouldn't exist or should be further nerfed? Friends and I are discussing

[supple ingot]

Ur right. I’ve died waaaaaay too many times to that

Like it’s over 5 times a game and every time it either double kills or team wipes

[graceful jungle]

Yup. In a game that encourages team play it's baffling that they have a way to actively discourage not being right next to your teammates because an insta-kill projecticle could wipe you all

And you hear people say "oh just shoot it and kill them instead" like bruh for the average person, you just aren't gonna hit the c4 99% of the time before they can launch it at you. At least personally when I get nuked, it's almost always from a heavy that I had never seen before, and he rounded the corner before I can react

[idle rivet]

Feeling good this week its really nice to know when you're being tracked by recon. Allows you to make a different play rather than just peeking a corner into a stream of bullets 😄

Still hoping ya'll cooking up a C4 change (still voting for only 1 C4 deployed at a time 😄 )

Keep up the good work

[azure cradle]

the recon range now is too low sonar Grande is around the same range now fr I think the recon is more about knowing where the other teams are and play by it not about seeing if there is people on the cashbox when your already here I absolutely agree with the alarm that tells players if they are seen but the range is just awfull

[idle rivet]

Sonar is 10m I thought

[fallen glacier]

New abilty idea for heavy, railgun. like the dart gun in that it has ammo but takes time to recharge. deals 150 maxdamage 50 min. no damage falloff. however has to charge up for 2 seconds to fire max damage. also can wallbang and when hitting a object it goes through it dealing 75% of the original damage.

[idle rivet]

Yeah Sonar is 10m right now:
https://www.reachthefinals.com/patch-notes-1

it was patch 1 that reduced from 17.5 to 10m

So recon is 3x the distance at 30m

[azure cradle]

still a huge nerf I really liked the recon and even though it needed one I think this is a bit too much

[idle rivet]

oh yeah not arguing w/ you on that front its def a big change. Watching a M streamer he used it earlier and was still poppin off w/ it but def said you had to change up your play w/ it and it makes heal beam that much stronger

He's climbing into T150 so better than my Plat skills 😄

[azure cradle]

agree just felt a little bad about this update I think recon is something that no other game has and its adding alot

[idle rivet]

Yeah its closer to Bloodhound (think that's the skill) in APEX now.

Now if only we could poke the nuke balance a hair (I main heavy) kinda tired of using it and being hit by it. A lot of the final rounds just seem like coin flip which nuke is going to hit.

Guess that's why the KR scrims they have a no nuke rule 🤷

[azure cradle]

ya I think im just gonna play the healer now

[idle rivet]

Yeah do the "dog walker" setup and leash the 2 heavies. I don't endorse it but I would be lying if I didn't think it was the best setup

Without Nukes think HMM and HML put up a better fight against HHM

Could also improve the APS but then that just keeps L out of the game still. So I'm on the side of Nuke adjustment #4 (or is it #3) and put it into place 😄

[idle rivet]

https://youtu.be/AYXiQ1jRHQ0?si=UfUzwDkU6iYXZa-m

Also I didn't come up with that saw it here 1st

[azure cradle]

only thing I hate about this is that I end up with 20 assists and 6 kills

[idle rivet]

Tis a fickle fate on the M healer or join the dark side and start nuking 🥳

[azure cradle]

hahaa ya but hes too slow and too much recoil on the guns

[azure cradle]

I gonna play it a little more beacuse of the event

[idle rivet]

Ol shotty hip fire (no benefit to ADS) lowers that recoil issue and you just play shield 1st when at ranges and support your M

[azure cradle]

bruh I told you I am a recon player I sit somewhere with my fcar and wait for light guys to peek

just kidding pls get recon back

ho im orange now

[idle rivet]

🤣 oh fancy you get a promation

[jovial quartz]

A hacking device would be nice

[azure cradle]

ya hacking is great

[jovial quartz]

Hack some turrets turn the table

[azure cradle]

bruh I just tried another game with it I am looking at the other side of a sidewalk in las vegas at a team shoting at me and I cant see how many are there

[idle rivet]

I have seen more tracking dart usage, but yeah it's like building defense now. Still helps hunt stragglers and point defense

But people will start getting the jump on recon users now

[azure cradle]

I think I will still use in somethimes but not as much

just a pretty annoying update there is so many good ways to nerf the recon

[idle rivet]

Yeah I'm sure they'll continuously evaluate, but I'm thinking heal beam > recon > turret

But if I was in a HMM setup think it's still really helpful 1 beam 1 recon and have the recon com once shots are fired

[azure cradle]

its crazy to think that this is just the first season think what will the game be like in 2 years

[meager smelt]

what's the worst gadget?

[idle rivet]

hmm....this is a very good question:
Heavy: Pyro Mine (honestly they got some really solid stuff)
Med: Glitch Trap (saw people try and use them but very situational)
Light: Thermal Vision (I have no idea if this even works 🤣 )

[idle rivet]

now of those 3 🤔 I'm thinking Light with Thermal, but that might be biased as L just don't have a great representation in the T500. So its a weak gadget on a weak contestant

[soft juniper]

ok so quick question hows the new Recon sense going im just booting up the game

[zealous hatch]

yo anyone know how to fix the gun skin glitch

???

[crude hill]

Like what ??

[soft juniper]

if its the one where its not letting you play the game you will need to remake the class with the bugged skin

[bronze peak]

@cunning igloo Hi mate so I found a nice idea, please share your thoughts with me .... and you other guys.. so with the medium glitch trap/mine you can place them on a red canister ... to create a gadget nuke... 2 glitch mines +one red canister to cover an entire building [nearly or 2 -3 roofs on the map of the "small "Souel houses ..]. To Devs Is that intentional?

[bronze peak]

I already used it in a match today needs further testing.. its fun .. Somebody MIENS to help me out ?

[cobalt bear]

want more weapon to be good

[bronze peak]

which one would you prefer though in order
?

[zealous hatch]

thx it worked

[golden gale]

i am under the water. help me plz

[brittle star]

,

[exotic spear]

please buff light sniper

[whole turret]

weapons are good but gadgets are so cool

[golden gale]

f\

[whole turret]

f to the recon sense pls

[exotic spear]

thank god it’s nerfed ^

[sweet pond]

Throwing knife buff when?

[whole turret]

bumped

throwing knife BUFFED 1 shot heavy

[exotic spear]

they gatta remove the dispersion while airborne

[sweet pond]

Yeah they did some but it needs it more

[sweet pond]

If only

[exotic spear]

i really hope they buff the sniper in some way more dmg faster re-chamber or tighter hip fire

[whole turret]

gadgets OP versus weaons

[dire ridge]

vv

[idle rivet]

Oh I heard another good proposal on a stream about having all explosives do % dmg to people that way its still impactful against each combatant but not overwhelming against L players (credit to StruggW)

e.g.
grenades do 30%
rockets 50%
c4 30%

numbers are made up here but that should be tunable to balance it around

[celest silo]

Not sure if this is the right spot for this, but when i use Vanish Bomb and Recon senses together. The scope on my sniper turns all white and i cant see a thing. not sure if this is intensional or not.

[brittle star]

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[cold forge]

that sounds like a nightmare. the whole point of playing light is you die quicker so you have to play fast. making them tanks sorta defeats that

[idle rivet]

Eh it was a thought was playing with a solid light player tonight and he would just have a frag nearby and pop without warning

Just seems like in higher rank they just evaporate. 1 shot explosive mine 1 shot frag rocket thankfully needs a follow up

Maybe just cap explosive to 140 so at least you can get a chance to counter play 🤷

[ember haven]

Man, wish grapple had gotten a buff

[slim carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/no-god-please-no-no-please-no-no-god-no-yelling-gif-26334008

Me when imbed fail wtf

Anyways nahh the point of light is to be squishy AF and run around, they do need some changes to be better for sure but not making them more tanky

[orchid light]

tracking dart buff?

[median flower]

So like are you guys gonna fix nukes or what?

Everyone is quitting cause of nukes...

[lyric hound]

more melee weapons would be cool to add. shortened cool down on grapple/multicharge for it. stim shot or faster hp regain for all classes. give light something for utility or make the glitch nade impact like the pyronade. vanish bomb making the cloak noise now needs to be reverted unless its intended(?) fix iron sights to feel more usable and not straight up block vision. the cross hairs lie to us and should shoot where the guns pointed not the center of the screen. recon still feels busted, getting wall hacked (even if its in the game) does not feel like a healthy option. dead go boom should take a percentage of health and not the flat damage it punishes a melee player wayyyy too much. swing speed on riot shield should be looked at.

realistically having a blast no matter what but im also just a filthy causal playlist player with a few ramblings of a few things that feel a bit off

[idle geyser]

Is there any news for upcoming gadgets?

[vale vessel]

they should make the stun gun apply some damage vulnerability
sucks to zap a heavy and proceed to get tapped by 2 shotgun blasts while your smg shots do nothing to the guy

[finite forge]

the new recon change pops the big line of text everytime u get scanned kinda cancer

[azure cradle]

there is alot why do you need more?

[idle geyser]

just to see if anything else interesting is coming haha

[vagrant owl]

how can i use fcar ?

[tough thistle]

FCAR used to be good, I think the recent changes to it it's still OK, but gives the other weapons more use cases

[desert solar]

AVID Recon abuser here. Still way too strong. Issue was never it's range. The issue is its permanence in a fight. Being able to fully engage in a fight while having what are effectively wall hacks is and always has been too strong. Two suggestions:

1. Restore it's original range.
2. Force Recon Senses into a tablet interface similar to a Jump Pad. The player needs to hold up a tablet, and anywhere the player points it will reveal players silhouettes like it normally does. It can be used nearly indefinitely, but its obvious drawback is that it needs to be actively engaged with and holster the weapon. The pad will be about 10% of the center of the screen.

This will both reign in Recon Senses from being a combat ability - It's called RECON senses, not TRACKING senses - and simultaneously, this will give more power to the Tracking Dart as it will be the true item for active tracking in combat and permeating information to the team. The last issue that it solves is how difficult silhouettes are to see on brighter surfaces. This change would very closely replicate the trick discovered by inspecting the Jump Pad tablet while using Recon Senses to see the silhouettes better.

[median lotus]

Shame that the recon sense got nerfed so hard. I never used it, and agreed with how O.P it was, but it was an over reach to me

[finite siren]

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[onyx jasper]

we need more weapons for the medium class like an ar15 or something similar😤

[distant hawk]

yeah and mg42 for heavy, or mg34

[golden adder]

Where are all the modes that keep the teamplay and destruction intact.

Every non-standard mode focuses on solo play and/or zooming around the map to pick up and drop off coins.

What’s actually fun in this game is having to fight over a hotly contested area using teamwork where the terrain is constantly changing.

[tame wave]

so we are buffing the flamethrower

why buff it make it less damage and longer distance

[shy parrot]

would be cool to see a deagle skin for the revolver or make it it's own weapon

[tame knot]

Waiting for buffs

[tame wave]

why tf should they buff the flamethrower

[hollow path]

Give nukes extreme fall off damage so you can survive if they don’t hit it perfectly.

[hollow marlin]

How are nukes still squad wiping? 😓

[vernal tinsel]

Give throwing knives inherited momentum. So they'd go further/faster when paired with a dash

[graceful jungle]

I hate nukes so much lol I came to this channel just to bitch about them

glad to see im not alone lol

[plain breach]

Weird plays going on today across all games. Whats going on?

[weak quartz]

has recon sense been nerfed? i cant see enemies more than 2 feet, and sonar grenades seems to have 3 times the range now wtf?

[hasty orchid]

30m limit+notification for enemy who u detected

[ancient jay]

pls fix LH sounds..

[meager smelt]

best use for glitch trap? do frags set them off?

[tame knot]

I was talking about the 30m ping. The recon sense got nerfed to 30m and that's not too much.

[soft juniper]

Another thing is you can’t turn it off once activated

[brittle star]

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[dire ridge]

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[graceful jungle]

.

[acoustic rover]

Flamethrower is hard to progress because half the kills come from the fire damage, not the flamethrower itself. Maybe add a way for the code to know where the fire came from, and add it as a kill/XP to flamethrower if the fire was sourced from flamethrower

[visual sage]

remove this stupid riot shield from the game

[soft juniper]

nice opinion care to give it a foundation or are you just mad about riot shield players?

[midnight crow]

I love the riot shield lol, I cant seem to find any particular use for it but its fun to use

[grizzled marsh]

can't believe it

got nuked again

[lilac solstice]

ik this is random and no idea if anyone agrees but i think they should add a bow to the light class, I mean think about it they already have all the stick and stone weapons (dagger, sword, throwing knife) so might as well add the bow too. Cool new weapon for the light it matches the class and would just be fun to use in general

[earnest inlet]

The weapons are souped rn but I hope they dont expand too much because there wil be a risk for power creep and balancing problems. Like how OW has too many heroes and that causes balancing issues

[sullen dirge]

Tbh i think the sniper is perfect rn i really hope they never change it, One bug I've found though, scoping in seems to bug out thermal vision in some situations and make enemies solid grey even when they're in range of thermal unscoped.

[exotic spear]

#buffsniper

[sullen dirge]

Hard disagree. 100hrs on it i like it being difficult to use.

[exotic spear]

it’s outclassed by almost all other light weapons

even when mastered you’d get better results using the mp5 or m11

[exotic spear]

needs to one shot head medium

[sullen dirge]

Not at all, Snipers don't need to oneshot in games all the time. The skill curve of being able to play close range and headshot on the sniper right now is making it the most fun light weapon for me. You can headshot melee a medium

Plus, if you're in a team fight, the odds that a player hasn't taken at least like 10 damage for you to get a oneshot headshot is low.

[exotic spear]

yes they do need to one shot

[exotic spear]

it leaves medium at 20hp not 10

[digital spade]

looking for any rank to just chill. (giant friendgroup)

[sullen dirge]

You do not need to oneshot mediums.

[cold tangle]

Looking for people with good or funny clips with weapon gadgets to react to for my next video send em in with your username or handle.

[subtle wave]

are nukes gonna be nerfed again it is such a stupid meta in ranked

[hard pewter]

Explosion generaly should be nerf. Game are too much rules by rpg, grenade launcher, c4 and nuke imo. They should be use for destruction, not to kill everyone, especally light

[subtle wave]

light definitely needs a buff to go against other classes

too easy too kill light i think they should up ttk for light and lower ttk for other classes

espicially how heavy has real good gadgets to use

[graceful jungle]

Delete nukes 😄

[vivid loom]

👎🏿 👎🏿 👎🏿

[midnight leaf]

Please change the inconsistent reload times on the Model 1887. The animations are downright beautiful, but the gunplay is inconsistent and leads to death

[exotic hare]

I actually second this

[odd verge]

so when are we getting rid of nukes because that shit is absolute cancer

[compact linden]

Tracking dart lowkey good since recon nerf

[graceful jungle]

Seconded

[compact linden]

Oneshotting is generally a big problem with a fast paced game like the finals. Being oneshot completely destroys the flow of the game - same reason nobody plays light in ranked and nukes are hated by pretty much everyone exept heavy mains. By making more things being able to onehit, the game will just be more annoying to play. Sniper especially as you have absolutely no chance to counter it nor will you know where you died from. Nukes mostly dont have this problem anymore as they now fly way slower.

[random dragon]

Snipers are pretty balanced in my opinion

[tough thistle]

Imo one of the key benefits to recon was being able to anticipate where a player will be, i don't think the draw distance will change that

[subtle wave]

i smell a skill issue and a heavy main

[random dragon]

Its always the heavy nuke mains cyring about lights

[subtle wave]

and then when they get killed by a light they complain about them being nerfed

[random dragon]

Why nerv Nukes, you could easy counter them 🤓

[desert solar]

And I feel like that should be relegated to the item directly intended for tracking - the tracking dart. Being able to just actively have wallhacks on in a skirmish is far too strong.

[tough thistle]

yeah i agree i've never been the biggest fan of it even using it myself i found it to be too much , i always stick with the healing beam lol

[desert solar]

Well, I certainly abuse the shit out of it, but I'd personally like to see it's fundamental interaction changed. I'd like it to be more of an aimed tablet similar to the heartbeat sensor in Rainbow 6. You HAVE to holster your weapon to use it, you can use it however long you want, and your visibility through walls is limited to where you're aiming the tablet. It's still way too strong in its current state because range was never the issue. It really didn't change it's use much after the nerf.

[tough thistle]

i think that could be good to be fair

[upbeat thicket]

Damn it, after the latest patch shield on medium is useless again. At least with doubled attack speed it could 1v1 kill most of the competition in melee range. Now it can only kill lights (if they are stupid). And I still don’t understand why shield doesn’t cover my body enough, so even if the enemy is standing exactly in front of me, he can do damage. BUFF SHIELDS!

[soft juniper]

when you fight people keep them on your left side since your shield can still block only really pull the sheild up to protect someone thats at the cash or to defend against lights that tazed you

[proper condor]

I don't know about anyone else but we feel like grenade launchers are ruining this game? If a whole team goes with them it's just total chaos and not very fun. I know you can equip shields etc I guess maybe I need to change gameplay style but you can't really use an APS turret to protect you as they are stationary. And if your light build you don't stand a chance of staying alive

[warm lion]

Yeah but an APS will deny them from actually killing you either way
Also they suck at directly fighting most weapons
Also that thing about light applies to pretty much everything lol

[proper condor]

Yeah I guess I think it's more when a whole team goes with them and shields up etc it's too much. I think one on one it's a fair fight

But I guess the game is about chaos

[tough path]

The fact that everyone seems to think a different weapon/gadget is unbalanced suggests to me that they are all pretty balanced my hot take is that the balance in this game is pretty damn good and overbalancing would ruin the game

[grizzled marsh]

Whats the ee

[glacial fiber]

Would tracking dart even be viable if the dart stayed in until the medium or the victim died?

[warm lion]

perma wall hack what 💀

[glacial fiber]

Being able to track somebody is nice and all but this is a Whole Ass Gadget and you need to actually shoot them with it. Not only that but it's competing with recon sense and sonar nades

[warm lion]

i think it'd be pretty viable

[glacial fiber]

As long as it could only dart 1 person at a time It wouldn't be too much. I might actually equip it and see what it looks like if it just lasted longer.

I've been hit with it(exactly 1 time), it lasts a while but really not that long.

[true wren]

suggestion: recon rework

in patch 1.6.0 we got a nerf on recon that made it so that recon works in a much more limited range. however, many people are still talking about how it hasnt really changed the fact that its still basically an exploit, and that the nerf didnt change much.
i have two ideas (only one should be implemented); the first being a flash reveal. instead of being a reservoir based move (like cloak), give it 3-5 charges that flash the enemy locations. (similar to cyphers ult in valorant)
the second would be changed so that instead of only being able to see close to you, you can only see far. this way, you can still plan for incoming enemies, but the ability wouldnt work up close.
what do you guys think?

[cosmic tapir]

I think medium should have a bow

[graceful jungle]

I really like solution 1, personally my biggest issue with recon isn't revealing enemy positions necessarily but moreso that it trivializes fights since you can just track their head through walls so the second they round the corner they're cooked. Solution 1 would still be very useful but not op

[golden adder]

Every day we come closer to turning recon sense into sonar grenade.

Which makes sense because sonar grenade is a fair and balanced way to do a wallhack tool

[grim plover]

It would be nice if there was a page where you can see how much playtime you have on each weapon.

[pale thorn]

please remove the C4 red barrels, its just stupid to play and to play against

[graceful jungle]

True. Delete nukes.

[mint flume]

Ranked isn't fun anymore before the recon sense Nerf there were four different and completely valid class sets now there's only one. Yes there is turret but as a utility it will never compare to what a heavy can do. Thus in ranked there is only one viable class set for healing. Before, recon sense opened up many class sets and also controlled the pace of the game, almost in away to balance out classes when two medium and a heavy were meta it make worth it for light to kill stray mediums and mediums had the ability to know where team were going this allowed controlled games where third parties were less of an issue now every team is on one objective without knowing how many teams are there ranked has completely changed sence nerf and the game isn't fun anymore when the only thing a medium can do is heal it turns the meta into two heavies and one medium to where light isn't worth playing before there's no stray mediums the medium is healing two heavies ranked has truned into the heavy show and playing the objective doesn't matter because you'll have 6 heavies to deal with a soon as an objective is touched. In conclusion this game is super unique maybe as a new game new methods should be applied stopping nerfing things. I think buffing certain utilities and abilities that are underplayed would be enough change and it wouldn't remove and underlined concept that people already like. Nerfing things won't help keep the new players you want to facilitate if you don't have a competitive seen to look up to to keep the attention of the new players with progression of skill if you ruin the competitive seen you won't have new players.

[atomic glade]

w weapon choices

[mint flume]

Instead of changing the game in dramatic ways to appease new players add skill based matchmaking for the lower levels so they have time to learn before getting beamed across the map!

[vocal moss]

I love the riot shield lol, I cant seem to find any particular use for it but its fun to use

Imo one of the key benefits to recon was being able to anticipate where a player will be, i don't think the draw distance will change that

[steady seal]

how does recon work with invis lights?

[midnight leaf]

Please change the inconsistent reload times on the Model 1887. The special animations are very very cool, but inconsistency leads to death, and feels like RNG at most times.

Also please add an option to turn off melee auto-aim in the settings

For everything else, this game is awesome and really fun

[warm lion]

it isn't rng though

[glacial fiber]

Yea if you tactical reload they push the ejected shell back in and then shove in 2 at a time and the animation does line up with the loading

If you empty reload they put in a fresh shell then wedge in 2 at a time and then finish it off with the last shell.

You can interrupt the animation by firing at any point after the first shell has been loaded.

[misty axle]

Rounds in gun:
Zero (0): Insert 1 round, then 2 rounds, then 1 more round, and drop the elevator. Drop 1 round on elevator and one in chamber and close.
Greater than zero (N>0): Eject and reinsert round from chamber.
One (1): then load 2 rounds at a time, twice, drop elevator and an extra round before closing.
Two (2): then load 2 rounds, followed by 1 round, depress elevator, extra round, close
Three (3): then load 2 rounds, elevator, close
Four (4): then load 1, elevator, close
Five (5): then elevator, close

Also note that you can cancel finishing the reload by shooting in the middle of it.

[midnight leaf]

That’s the thing

Sometimes you can’t. You can fire off a shell if you gun was empty right away. But a when it tries to load two shells, then you can’t. It’s inconsistent. It’s really really really cool, but it’s inconsistent.

Just feels bad. I’d love it if it wasn’t such a competitive game where silly stuff like that matters to the gameplay

[misty axle]

It's very "consisntent", but maybe not "intuitive" if you're unfamiliar with the manual of arms.

[glacial fiber]

You can still fire in the middle of wedging the doubles in tho. You can even time it worng and only get one round from the double.

[misty axle]

You can only fire once you insert one new shell

The CL-40 is the same thing

[midnight leaf]

Yeah that’s the problem. Depending on how many shells you have loaded already, it could take longer to fire off mid-reload.

[glacial fiber]

The new shell goes in faster if the gun is empty btw, so in essence you have unlimited ammo and a moderately slower fire rate when dry.

[midnight leaf]

Yeah if you wanna get nitpicky with the word usage then sure, it’s a consistent weapon.

But if you’re not being a nerd about it then you know what I’m saying

[misty axle]

If you only fire one, that's the worst case since you need to reinset, then depress the elevator, then load your one.
You can skip the elevator step if you're short 2-5 rounds.
You can skip reinserting the chamber as well if you run it empty.

[glacial fiber]

I don't think that's an appropriate response to being given a better term to use for free. I would've charged you 3.50

[midnight leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/nerds-mad-football-rage-gif-16650450

[misty axle]

@glacial fiber Unrelated, but I also agree that Melee Aim Assist feels bad and I wish I could toggle it off.

[glacial fiber]

THANK YOU 🙏

[midnight leaf]

It’s horrible yeah

[misty axle]

TL:DR; Reloading mid-combat is a bad idea- disengage first!

[glacial fiber]

One time I had that shit peel me away from the guy I was chasing damn near 90 degrees to turn and whiff a swing on some fucker I wasn't even looking at.

[misty axle]

CL-40 is sort of the opposite: Always try to top off and try not to run it empty, but you're still animation locked until you insert 1 new round.

[misty axle]

Most of my melee time is Medium's Riot Shield.
I feels bad to somehow whiff over a Light's head while locked on, not to mention how disorienting it feels to have my head jerks so much.

[glacial fiber]

Thats just not the case, after the first shell is in you're always able to instantly interrupt the reload with a shot

[misty axle]

First *new shell!

Which is especially agonizing because of the animation to reinsert the one in the chamber

[glacial fiber]

The caught shell doesn't count ye it was already in the gun

[misty axle]

That being said, running the gun empty and firing off that first round over and over is.. kind of valid, tbh.

[glacial fiber]

Simply don't reload when you need to be firing, better to run dry and keep fighting with the 2/3rds ish fire rate

[misty axle]

Yeah, but people can be confused because you *technically* put a shell into the gun.

[glacial fiber]

I guess yea but idk I always knew that the shell they caught was already in the tube

I mean, I did just watch it fly out of there.

[misty axle]

It wasn't in the tube, it was in the chamber

[glacial fiber]

Humor me, in one word, describe the shape of the chamber

[misty axle]

Hole

[glacial fiber]

Thought you could match wits with an 🧅?

[misty axle]

I don't know what that means, but yeah!

[glacial fiber]

Obscure reference to a popular game lol

[misty axle]

The chamber is a Through Hole while the mag is a blind hole, TOOOOTALLY different!
X3

[glacial fiber]

I sent the reference to #🥚┇off-topic

[restive plover]

Is the stun gun a projectile or hs?

[glacial fiber]

Hitscan 99% sure

if it's not hitscan it's an insanely fast projectile that acts like one

[restive plover]

bummer. Would love to see aps be able to counter it.

[misty axle]

It has no drop, and the delay before hitmark feels the same at point blank or max range to me.

[sage veldt]

what gadgets should I use for a Dagger build? Vanishing bomb is obvious choice, but what else? I tried Smoke and Flash, to give me a chance to attack enemies, but it doesn't help much

[inner wraith]

yeah, I think it is fine

[wary cedar]

Vanishing bomb and then it doesn't matter imo, I use breach charge vanish bomb and gas usually

[stark juniper]

Dagger + cloak is obviously a somewhat different matter but my sword + dashes loadout is frags, breach, and vanish, w stun gun, thermal vision, motion detector, smoke bomb in reserve (tho honestly smoke bomb can be swapped out for basically whatever imo)

Frags + breach gives you ways to apply damage/pressure to teams that are all huddled up that’d be suicide to run swinging into, + explosive ordinance is a godsend for clearing out traps when you can’t shoot em, vanish bomb has been buffed to the stratosphere and feels nigh mandatory, the rest is more flexible

Stun gun is amazing utility all around, lets you halt fleeing targets and interrupt steals, thermal vision is a nice crutch for cloak spam lobbies (for whatever reason I find cloaks way harder to deal with as melee than when I have an actual gun), everything else is personal preference

[fallow ivy]

Nice

[thorn pine]

hello

[hushed leaf]

Can we all agree that the insta-kill C4 on the throwables thing is BS?

[thorn pine]

what does BS stand for?

[hardy slate]

everyone already complained about that
complain about something new

[hushed leaf]

I'll continue to complain about things until they fix them. That's the only way to get these things done

[flat ore]

generally used to imply something is false or unreasonable

[frigid panther]

Does anyone know how the detected works on recon sense? Does it only show detected if the person is looking in your direction or just if you within 30m?

[frigid panther]

BS = BullShit

[flat ore]

I think it's the later, but unsure

[normal marsh]

This is a thing?

Idk if its cause I'm so bad I don't get put in games with people who do this but never seen this done

[crisp oriole]

Damn, I'm sure you will learn about it soon enough. I mean thanks to the recent nerf it has been reduced significantly.

[crisp oriole]

The latter

[normal marsh]

Oh good, seems like it would have been annoying to play against

Did it instakill up to meds?

[crisp oriole]

Yessir. No questions asked. A light could kill me just as quickly

[normal marsh]

Damn

What was the damage radius like? From what i've experienced, it didn't seem too big

[normal marsh]

C4's damage radius*

[crisp oriole]

The charge itself ain't big, but because it was stuck on a gas canister it became kinda nasty

[left root]

Fr

[errant acorn]

freaking loving the game please do not let it die

[weary stream]

can we address how bad the main menu is?? I want to add skins etc to equipment but you can't do it in equipment list have have to do it on EVERY SINGLE CONTESTANT! cant I put a skin across all contestants??

[crisp oriole]

Fr fr this is my first time since a long while to truly enjoy a fps

[plain glade]

Ikr it reminds me of some other good movement ish based shooters

ive always love that genero 🗿 english no spelling lmfao

[crisp oriole]

let me see, tribe: ascent, Brink, titanfall

[soft juniper]

Only with Red barrels little risky with other items

But I did learn if you use light and dash + throw you can launch other barrels with stuff on them so you can get a light to throw it and you explode it or have the light put a breach on it and make it go off that way

I call this move “Mini Nuke” lol

[mellow holly]

Damn, I didnt know that, thanks for the info!

[haughty bloom]

NERF MEDIUMMMMMMM

[vapid drift]

nerf heavy XD

[distant hawk]

Nerf everything 🤡

[errant acorn]

if the game is inbalanced in a way it won't die

[mint flume]

I dont want wall hacks on recon sense what made recon sense useful was team Information, if you have recon sense go to only 30 meters it make the recon sense naturally selfish its still useful for individual gunfight. that's it recon sense doesn't involve a team anymore and at this point it's view as hurting the team while in use. I recommend that recon sense loses the wall hacks feel and turns into a sonar nade pulse that goes across that map that your team can see but that all it is, a ping for your team where the enemy was, after that pulse the ability can go through a cool down time. I believe the rework could have gone in so many ways I believe all farther changes to recon shouldn't make it better but only give it purpose for team composition.

[grim loom]

you did not just at everyone

[upper owl]

awsd

[nimble geyser]

smth im curious about, the guitar skin for the sledge has the unique inspect anim that plays the guitar, and that action shows up in third person for whoever watches you ingame yea? is this the same for every inspect animation, or only for the special skin ones like the bamboo thing and the cheese slicer?

[grim loom]

i dont think inspects show in 3rd person

[nimble geyser]

you mean the default ones? because i can believe that but i kinda wanna test it to know for sure. cuz at least the guitar definitely does.
im curious also because if like, the riot shield inspect does show up in third person, then does it block bullets.

[grim loom]

oh shit the guitar does? freakin sweet

[nimble geyser]

yea, there's a clip on reddit titled United by music, as proof if ur curious, cant link tho, it's a great lil clip

[grim loom]

dm me that

[stark elbow]

They need to bring back the diamond skin for the AK

[odd blade]

𝅙

[earnest fable]

...

[cloud anchor]

‎

[idle bane]

How the hell am I supposed to compete with riot shield in close proximity…. It needs a nerf. The dps is way too high. I’ve been maiming shotgun and all of my shots do jack against these idiots

[cloud anchor]

Yeah, it sucks running into them by chance. What I do is either try to shoot at their feet and use a grenade/pyro grenade to eliminate them or use a jump pad/goo grenade to make distance.

[vernal tinsel]

Why doesn't Light's motion sensor contribute to the detect 50 opponents weekly? I completed the daily 5, but weekly still 0/50?

[idle bane]

Tru

[vernal tinsel]

Using light motion sensor

[soft juniper]

Odd

[plain breach]

Anyone playing with Goo Grenande outside of Heavy + flamethrower?

[sage drum]

what's the best equipment and weapon to run when running turret on medium if anyone knows

[mystic merlin]

Whats better, Mines or Gas Granades?

[restive plover]

WISHLIST: Nunchaku and explosive Nerf™ football. For the latter, when during the throw the player should yell something like, "Going for the touchdown".. or "free-throw in action"

[faint meteor]

hamer :)

[uncut cliff]

Light, its a great escape tool, run in a building if on one of those maps, or through a door on another and block their entrance

[odd blade]

𝅙

[soft juniper]

Mines = defensive style grenades offer offensive but gas mines you get 2 and gas grenade you get 1

It also depends on the weapon you go for and the style you choose

[soft juniper]

Goo is a great escape/Defensive tool for any class even better since a lot of people don’t seem to be running pyro

[fast mango]

preference. both are good

[heady oyster]

exactly

[split lark]

Does the tracking dart not reveal the target to my teammates?

[graceful pagoda]

Crossbow and sniper for heavies would be fun to play

[normal hamlet]

How long is the range on the FlameThrower

[soft juniper]

Your team should see it but they can choose to be blind to it

[split lark]

I've had teammates specifically look out for it, and it appears to be a "sometimes" thing?
Sometimes they can see, and sometimes they can look right at the darted target and insist it wasn't painted.
🤷‍♂️

Sadly, some things one cannot test by themselves. Like proper riot shield angles... or possibly buggy mechanics. 🥲

[soft juniper]

true you would need 3 people for the tracking dart test

[split lark]

There are also no custom matches to my knowledge. So... fieldtesting is the best I can do. 😅

[formal wharf]

Whats the best specialization/weapon/gadget?

[soft juniper]

That’s kind of a loaded question a lot of people will say different things + it also is dependent on the class you play

[worn hatch]

what is best gadget yall

?

[ivory dust]

Justice for the Revolver!

[onyx swan]

Have the devs said anything on what the next new weapon is going to be?
I just got in the server

I would love to have a crossbow in the future xD

[hexed dune]

nothing for now has been announced i think. Maybe go look at the embark twitter or the official the finals website, but idk if there is going to have a new gun soon

[crisp oriole]

This is very interesting ngl. I heard from a mutual that instead of making it works close range, do the opposite. It would only work in longer range as to negate the unfair peek advantage

[soft juniper]

I heard something about balance changes in season one then season 2 will try to be New content if I remember

[soft juniper]

depends on the class unless we are excluding class specific gadgets

[flat ore]

heavy+hammer

[naive bear]

any of yall got interesting weapons that can be added? I suggested the G11 for the heavy and the FAMAS for the medium class I dont have anything the light class can have, maybe a single shot grenade launcher as an equipment?

[open prism]

Maybe a crossbow for light as an equipment, which damages as well as pulls you towards your opponent

[flat ore]

I wouldn't mind some sort of gadget that works as a repair item for deployables for the medium.

[open prism]

But you don't need repair right. You can pick it back up and deploy, it is at full health

[flat ore]

true, but that's more of an exploitable feature than something I assume is an intended use-case by the devs

eventually that'll be nerfed I'm sure

[naive bear]

very unpopular opinion but I feel like the ADS system should have 3-6 shots then have a short reload cycle that has an audio cue

[trail hamlet]

give vanish bomb a quick regen

[naive bear]

because sometimes I go against like 6 ads in one match and I just cant use glitch grenades at all

[open prism]

Aps?

[flat ore]

alternately make the glitch grenade something that can't be intercepted

[naive bear]

wait its called the APS system in this game? its called an Active Defensive System in some other games

[flat ore]

I believe it's Anti-projectile system (In the Finals)

[open prism]

Yea

[naive bear]

i will call it APS, but like what I said early I think it should have to reload after destroying 3-6 grenades because sometimes its just spammed by an entire team and covers all angles and its pretty damn annoying.

[open prism]

A grenade to disable deployables maybe?

[flat ore]

isn't that what the glitch grenade is for tho? abilities and deployables?

[open prism]

I guess only abilities

[naive bear]

the glitch grenade does disable deployables but it kinda sucks because it bounces so much and has a small radius

[flat ore]

I do however agree the APS is a bit OP in that it has no limit on the number of things it eats, and no gap between

[naive bear]

I've literally never disabled a shield in my entire time of playing this game (300 matches) and its very frustrating to try to hit the glitch nades, the enemy either gotta be in a small room or standing still and blind

[flat ore]

generally speaking the slution to such an issue in other games is having it consider projectile velocity.

maybe make it so that you're able to use nades up close with the underhand toss as it moves slower, but the velocity of overhand throws is enough to be "noticed"

another alternative is giving grenades cook time, and cooking too long blows up on your person, thus negating the APS but only point blank

however that also has the issue that generally I think The FInals it too punishing with self-damage and explosives. I believe that if I diect hit a person with an explosive, point blank, I shouldn't take MORE damage than them

[naive bear]

I feel like this doesn't work well, people play really close to their ads and will just shoot you, the time between throw and explosion is also long so the cook time will be super long

I feel like the APS should just have to reload after a could shots, or maybe have a cooldown between shots like jagders ADS system in R6, it can be overwhelmed with grenades.

[flat ore]

another thing to consider is the blast radius of a grenade is, with the exception of the CL-40 I think, always wider than the range of an APS

so a glitch grenade just outside it should still affect it. That's how I use gas grenades on APS users

[naive bear]

Keep getting this sound bug

[misty axle]

CL-40 can hit just outside of the APS range to break it in 3 shots.

[jolly mirage]

An idea for a gadget. A deployable that beams out a line of laser when an enemy is detected. Other enemies that are within the line will also be damaged from it.

[dry wyvern]

If the M11 has lower reload time, more bullets, and faster fire-rate, then why is the xp14 better?

[misty axle]

The sight certainly helps

[soft juniper]

I have mentioned this idea before but might want to see if new people agree
Heavy Weapon: Javelin - Main action stabs infront of you - Secondary You charge up to throw the Javelin the longer you hold the charge the further, faster and more Damage it does

[misty axle]

Imagine giving it knockback on impact

[soft juniper]

I mean a fun Idea could be if there close to a structure it pins them for a short moment

[misty axle]

We just made Orissa from Overwatch.

[soft juniper]

thats where I got the idea

[gray wagon]

CL-40 is stupid strong against lights 💀 tf...

[soft juniper]

lights have low hp pool use your small size/mobility to your advantage

[misty axle]

Yeah, I cannot hit a Light who dashes in time with my CL-40 shots.

[soft juniper]

I dont know how and why but everytime I play any melee weapon I see so many Tasers

[misty axle]

When I play melee, the event is always Dead Go Boom.

[soft juniper]

bro I know

or low gravity

[misty axle]

Low grav isn't felt like and issue to me

[soft juniper]

sometimes it can mess up melee

[onyx swan]

They honestly need to remove that event

I jusr find it super annoying being punished for defeating the other teams

[onyx swan]

Ikr xDDDD

[soft juniper]

maybe for dead go boom make the explosion delay slightly longer

[misty axle]

I'd say either give it a timer to the detonation, or make it environmental damage only, like Mega Damage.

[plain breach]

I don’t have an issue with dead go boom! I have more of an issue with nukes right now :p

[nova junco]

Yeah, light + sword = guaranteed dead go boom at the worst possible time :(

[soft juniper]

yeah and im a close ranged expert so dead go boom is a horrible event for me

[nova junco]

As a heavy main, I do not understand how light players maintain their sanity. So squishy

Dead go boom is just another pop you outa the game moment

[rough verge]

Aps, tracking dart, or zipline??

[lilac latch]

Aps is crazy good

[heady skiff]

Gun attachments would be cool. Imagine the sr-84 with a silencer and a thermal scope... 😎

[lucid token]

yeah attachment would be nice but not like in cod

[odd blade]

𝅙

[odd blade]

𝅙

[cosmic ember]

i want a gadget that can allow a player to face through a wall

[midnight leaf]

you just gotta line up your atoms correctly

[cosmic ember]

YOU RIGHT MY BAD

[hexed dune]

what are your thoughts on the Goo Gun ?

[misty axle]

Under-utilized

[hexed dune]

so is it good or ass ? bc dont worry ik its under utilized thats why i was asking to see the thoughts of other player

[misty axle]

I think it's good, but often gets overshadowed by Mesh Shield.

I won't soon forget the time I faced a guy that basically ran it as his main weapon to stunlock me for his Flamethrower teammate to melt my butt.

[hexed dune]

damn what a way to play it XDXD this is actually a great idea but sound awful to perfom lmao

[misty axle]

I have no idea how good his aim really was since I was, y'know, fighting for my life.
I could imagine myself annoying my teammate by missing.

The amount of times I hit my teammates with goo nades...
Or my CL-40 (youch...)

And we get a petition to allow things like these to stop having collision with teammates?
I'm a bit tired of them phasing throough me the moment I either goo or shoot.

[hexed dune]

i feel you lmao. i feel that this gun have some potential but yet inexplored frl. you can climb walls with it, u can flame people with it as u just said, u can counter people with it. I should experience it once to see the results

[midnight leaf]

⚠️ Please allow shooting during the longer reloads on the Model 1887 ⚠️ also add option for melee auto-aim

[misty axle]

"Goo grenade is my mobility gadget."

[misty axle]

You have to load at least one new round into either the 1887 or the CL-40 before you can interupt the reload.

[hexed dune]

frl XD

[midnight leaf]

when doing the longer reloads (ie, loading more than one shell in) you can't just stop to fire even if theres a shell loaded in the gun. thats what i want changed.

[misty axle]

But, unironically, I never see people use them to clamber up floors that are too tall or to bridge over the suspended cashout locations like it's bed wars on MC.

[misty axle]

I said "one new round", the one you catch as it ejects out of the chamber isn't a new round.

[midnight leaf]

maaan i dont care how you word things, im just voicing what i want changed

[hexed dune]

yeah same here. i really dont see the goo gun often but when i do, its the last thing they will think of since it take way too much time compared to a zipline or a pad

[misty axle]

I think it's a valid limitation to the weapons as otherwise, you'd just start reloading after every shot and cancelling it if you need to.

[midnight leaf]

yes that is exactly what im looking for. if i've got a shot in the gun, i wanna shoot it

[misty axle]

Yeah, I accept the tradeoff that Goo isn't really a good mobility gadget, but it can get the job done while also being a cover/concealment.

[hexed dune]

yeah i see what ur saying

[misty axle]

I suppose we should also allow every other gun to reload cancle too, right?

[midnight leaf]

not guns where you take the magazine out. if youve got a single bullet in the chamber if your AK then yeah sure, why not?

[misty axle]

If it bothers you so much, just swap off the gun and back to it in order to resume firing.

[misty axle]

I have a fancy game called Rainbow Six: Siege for you!
It's really funny to see someone manage to get the panic 1-shot mid reload

[midnight leaf]

yeah exactly! that is a great mechanic. if they care so much about the realism of the Model 1887, why disregard the available shots?

[misty axle]

tbf, it's the same code that runs on every gun:
Cannot fire until Ammo = N + 1, basically.

You can fire the one in the tube when you reload from empty, despite the shell not being ready to fire.

Yo, wtf, if you hold the fire button on the 1887, you char holds off on levering the gun.

And you can also just hold it to automatically fire when you get to 1/6 shots from empty.

You can even swap off before levering it and you'd have to do when you re-euip the weapon.

Same with pumping the CL-40

And, of course, the bolty, SR-84

[marsh plume]

Defib needs to stop being a must pick, it saddens me, even as a Medium main

[turbid hinge]

^ this

[midnight leaf]

big agree.

it needs to bring them back with a heart condition that will allow loud sounds to kill them mayube

[marsh plume]

Same goes for RPG though. It doesn't feel like a choice, it feels like a deliberate handicap to not pick it

Nah, the defib needs a 50% chance of just not working, just like real defibs :tf:

[misty axle]

It literally isn't, but it it's still a very good option.

[turbid hinge]

Kinda is tbf

[misty axle]

Kind of, but not really
It's not like none of the other classes never get to rez people.

Plus, slow rezzing is often better if you can A) get away with it and B) don't have healing.

And so many people in lower ranks will just defib in front of a whole team, so the 40% HP player just gets melted as soon as they're allowed to see.

There are definitely times where I had to throw a cashout because I couldn't realistically rez my team, but I also can say there are times I definitely clutched because of my other utility zoning the enemy team and keeping myself alive.

[marsh plume]

Maybe a higher cooldown would improve it, but defib makes the entire team more oppressive

[misty axle]

It's very much a mistake eraser / fight resetter.

I tend to assume the enemy team is going to rez and camp the bodies if reasonable.

Very warcrimey of me to lure the medics in.

Also, the CL-40 and MGL32 can move the bodies.

[fresh shard]

Man I am thinking about frag granade. It would be amazing if you could cook that frag. Longer you hold faster it explodes

[misty axle]

Could I introduce you to the CL-40?

Also, can we talk about how the crosshair always seems wider than the actual hipfire spread, unless you run a disgusting 45 FoV?
Like, the equation that increases the crosshair spread dependant on FoV is overcompensating.

[turbid hinge]

Who is using 45FOV?

[misty axle]

No one, that's my point.

But it's the only time where the crosshair spread is accurate to the hipfire spread.

[marsh plume]

What if we talk about how bad hipfire feels in general? Seems a little ridiculous to me

[turbid hinge]

It's okay as heavy, sucks as all the other classes

[misty axle]

Hipfire feels super tight to me for what it is, but I might just be used to games like Siege where hipfire is throwing, even at close range.

[coarse sedge]

nerf cloak broken af rn

[turbid hinge]

based take

[coarse sedge]

ty

[misty axle]

Sorry for the small window, but I don't have nitro and Gifs balloon out in size easily.

And then run a gun like the 1887 or CL-40 and the ADS doesn't even matter anymore and the delays between shots means that you can sprint and slide into each round fired.

[midnight leaf]

careful, i almost cant see the dot in your cross hairs lol

[misty axle]

I'm a CL-40 main and didn't wan't to change the reticle for the Gifs lol.

[midnight leaf]

that target dummy is the worst movement player i seen

[misty axle]

So, my reticle looks like this or this if I'm airborne:

[misty axle]

Got them lead boots

but I'm typically weaving slides into jumps as I fire at enemies and try to get back into cover

[ruby cliff]

.

[raw jetty]

make defib damage higher

[flat ore]

I always liked defib being able to kill in older battlefield games

[misty axle]

Imagine 1-shotting lights with a defib

"You know it's designed to stop people's hearts, right?"

[amber swallow]

replace the thermal vision with a foot tracking ability/gadget

[naive bear]

why? its not really that great and only helps you see invis/through dust and smoke. thats something thats only useful in like R6 because it tells you where your enemy was and how long ago they were there

[amber swallow]

exactly, thermal is bad, it needs a change

[naive bear]

and how would "foot tracking" be any useful, it just seems like a downgrade of recon senses and how is the game supposed to calculate that? it would be too much information on the screen at that point as you would see 100000 enemy feet of various different colors running, starting and ending in various directions. I can kinda understand where you are coming from but not really.

[amber swallow]

yeah i guess, but i also dont think it should be as good as recon sense bc its an ability

[raw jetty]

yeah, or at least do something more than 1/4 of someone's health 🥲

[misty axle]

Firstly, Recon is a Specializaion, not a generic gadget, so it shouldn't be as powerful.
Secondly, it can help you track where people went, like when they jump out of monaco windows and back into.. one of the buildings?
It could just give them a "coin trail" like bank it does when people have a lot of coins.

[misty axle]

It's 50dmg iirc, so that's
1/3 of Light,
1/5 of Medium
1/7 of Heavy

[amber swallow]

defib> quick melee

[quick ice]

Heavy needs a lever action rifle...

[amber swallow]

ooh, heavy sniper like from fortnite. it can break part of wall or wall bang. Have super short mag and long reload

[quick ice]

Explosive rounds...

[amber swallow]

pick and choose ammo type: poison, fire, explo, high caliber (ofc low area of effect)

[quick ice]

High risk high reward...head shot marker all of that

[quick ice]

I like it but I don't know how they'll do it...

If I had to pick it would be poison but I can see the explosive happening

Like one round reload...slow AF but guaranteed kill at a certain range

Elephant gun maybe...

[amber swallow]

well, one shots are very annoying, it would have to leave a medium at like 40 hp or something

[quick ice]

Well it'll be a the Heavy's version of the Light's shotgun but with more range...just as devastating

But yes very annoying

[amber swallow]

right, however the fact that heavy is 350 hp compared to a lights 150 makes a big difference when considering balance. a character with 200 more hp shouldnt be able to one shot as easily as a character with 200 less hp

[quick ice]

It would have to be tested...with nukes already being a nuisance I expect problems but my question is would the fun outlast the flaws...

[amber swallow]

yeah it would def be cool to have a sniper like that

[quick ice]

I enjoy the MGL but like most weapons it's so situational sometimes to be effective or fun general

[midnight leaf]

⚠️ Daily request to allow reload canceling when shooting the Model 1887 ⚠️ (and for the "erm actually" people, yes i know it works when shooting from empty)

also add an option to remove melee auto-lock. everything else is great - awesome game

[soft juniper]

you can already do this just reload the first shell and shoot as for the second option I agree on the auto lock melee

[midnight leaf]

maybe im not wording it correctly so theres misunderstanding, but you are wrong and you cannot interupt the animation of loading shells into the gun

[soft juniper]

im a test it

but what do you mean exactly when reload canceling

[soft juniper]

hold up I think I know what you mean you can cancel the relaod when your out of bullets but when you press R to manually reload you cant

[midnight leaf]

oh sorry i missed this. so what i mean is that even if you have shells loaded in the gun (lets say you have 3 shells loaded) and you start to load more in, you cant just stop reloading and fire off the shells that are already loaded. you have to wait until you finish the animation for loading in the new shells, despite having some that are already ready to shoot

badly worded but i think that makes more sense

[soft juniper]

Yeah I saw that once I tested it, yet you can cancel when out of bullets

[midnight leaf]

exactly

[soft juniper]

ok im sure other people dont know what you mean when you mention the reload cancel they probably think of the empty clip cancel

[midnight leaf]

Yeah I thought it would be confusing. It just doesn’t work well on a “Change this!” post when you have to explain the whole thing. I’m just glad someone else understands

The animations for reloading are downright beautiful, but you shouldn’t have to do some janky weapon swap to shoot what’s already loaded in that type of weapon

[vagrant oasis]

.

[rustic pebble]

hi'

[quick cliff]

nerf nukes

[green helm]

i want real nukes

[fast mulch]

Anytime I try to use a nuke that thing gets popped in my face lmao

[soft juniper]

• nuke has been nerfed you can only use it on red barrels and anything else will only be thrown 10m max

So no nuke does not need to be nerfed and if you say it does your probably a light main with no caution towards heavy’s

[green helm]

omg

uhm what is this

[dark mesa]

how much damage does the nuke for lights do?

[hallow blaze]

nuke? like th rpg or

[dark mesa]

no like putting a c4/breach charge on a throwable and exploding it in someones face

[drowsy notch]

Just played a ranked match and heavies were using nukes to enter every fight when possible, it’s obnoxious as hell

[soft juniper]

If your tired of it make a build to counter it

[soft juniper]

not much if you want to try it

[misty axle]

Do you mean the Beaching Charge?

[misty axle]

APS is inconsistent at best and CL-40 detting enemy nukes is lucky.
What other counters are there?

[soft juniper]

give me a moment to look at the class stuff I will get back to you once I got some ideas

[misty axle]

I guess if a heavy carrying a nuke steps on an explosive mine, that would det his nuke in his face too

Goo can give you cover

Recon can at least tell you that someone is coming

[soft juniper]

Goo is one of the better option for all classes btu I want to find other options

since goo can give good cover and block off areas

[solar igloo]

grenades max damage is only 149 right?

I dont have the ability to post a screen shot rn but I just got hit for 150 by one grenade and im so confused

[soft juniper]

@misty axle Barricade could be one for heavy

glitch mine could work for Mediums

[flat ore]

I think there should be map-specific weapon platforms, like immobile spots with a powerful weapon emplacement, like a turret, or mortar cannon, or a goo cannon. the cannons we can find in game can fire cannonballs but can't be rotated/aimed.

[misty axle]

Monaco literally has cannons.

[flat ore]

I literally said that

the last sentence

[flat ore]

also most of those are aimed at nothing, in ways that would make hitting players pretty much impossible. my point was to expand on that idea, not that the idea wasn't already in the game

[misty axle]

They're typically aimed at buildings, those buildings also can be cashout locations.

That's like saying that the wrecking ball is literally useless

[flat ore]

Again, my point is that the idea should be expanded on, make it so we can turn the cannons, or have similar interactive elements that work as weapon alternatives

the wrecking ball is awesome, I want to see more ideas like that put in the game

moreover, you can manipulate the wrecking ball, turn it, swing it at various targets, so it's more akin to what I'm talking about than the cannons. *(As they currently are)

[gray wagon]

CL-40 is stupid strong please nerf

[fast aspen]

the RPG self damage is getting really annoying.. often i have teammates jumping in front of me, or some enemy jumping straight into me, dealing 150 damage whilst they only receive like 25 ..

[misty axle]

???

[fast aspen]

both medium and heavy nade launcher suck imo 😂

[misty axle]

idk about heavy, but Medium's CL-40 is about on par with any other gun, I think

[fast aspen]

you have 4 shots in medium nade launcher, which you need all 4 direct hit nades to kill a medium
then you have to suffer through a single bullet reload

[misty axle]

4 hits on a pump action with travel time and arc vs a heavy.. on a 4-round mag.

[misty axle]

3 direct hits on mediums
And 2 for lights.

[fast aspen]

with how slippery some people are, it def deserves a buff

[polar tree]

just insanely frustrating to play against as a light, you're not allowed within 50m of a nade launcher + recon or else you're dead

[restive plover]

[pine bronze]

[untold roost]

Xp egg 💀

[silk berry]

hi

[untold roost]

Guys here is my pitch: A sniper rez gun for the light class.
Benefits:

• Snipers are fun
• Light class could benefit from a rez utility to compete with medium
• High skill cap high reward
• By its nature, your teamates will be spectating you flick shot their body which is hype
• Would allow sniper lights to participate in team fights
  Application:
• 1 or 2 bullets
• Long recharge
• Rez is delayed after shooting statue
• Hipfire accurate for close quarters emergencies

[sage veldt]

how do I use the Heavy Grenade Launcher in close range? I feel like I'm fucked if I ever get attacked in close range

because it also does splash damage to me if I use it too close

[untold roost]

I reccomend playing exclusively on high ground with it and managing your distance. Just like shotgun players don't put themselves in long range fights, you should avoid super close quarters with the grenade launcher

[sage veldt]

good point, so basically it's a Heavy's sniper

a very unstable and explosive sniper

[pine bronze]

[hexed yarrow]

🌚

[soft juniper]

So far when it comes to balancing gun I think we all need to think about what the meta weapons are and why people are using them and how could the guns not used match them

From what I can tell the 3 weapons used the most are Xp, Fcar, Lewis and they are a good balance between ranged and close ranged

So as an example shotguns are amazing in close range so they should stay good in close range I have heard some people want them nerfed because there good in close ranged but that’s all they have

I’m rambling but I hope this makes sense

[wooden oxide]

Would be cool and actually relatively well balanced, I jsut cant ever see it being added for the way Embark wants players to play (fast up close combat) If players were given the ability to run a sniper and long range medic tool they would likely sit so far from the combat almost 100% outside of the games current gameplay loop.

[distant hazel]

How much health do you recommend they respawn with? I think 50 HP would be fair. Should be less HP than the defib but enough to survive one shot from most guns.

[untold roost]

Yeah I agree a similar profile to the defib which the team have already worked hard to balance

[west skiff]

Can we buff health Regene or add a stim also a kill cam would be wicked also give the ability to watch teammates in a game while your out the game

[mental quest]

hey all!~ when would one use the Tracking Dart over the Sonar nade?

is is just a meme gadget or?

[soft juniper]

1. A health booter would be cool it could either give you a small hp boost or start up your regen sooner 2. Kill cam would be nice because sometimes I feel there are kills that happened on me that where very sus 3. If you mean watch other people play while you arnt in the match its alittle place called "Twitch" but if you mean in the same match you can when your dead adn when your team is dead you can fly around and see whats going on

[soft juniper]

Sonar is good for AOE Info on multiple targets and Tracking is for a single for a long time (15 sec if im correct)

[west skiff]

I mean my friends when they are in games a lot of other games have the option were you sit out and spectate them

[soft juniper]

maybe but they would have to delay the match for the spectators or you could give your buddy info

[west skiff]

How if I’m just watching his screen

Why would they have to delay matches everything would be the same you could just watch while you eat or just want to chill but now play

[soft juniper]

your on discord and if they are too its called streaming

[west skiff]

Fortnite has it great feature especially if you already have three people fourth guy can sit out and spectate until one drops out not everyone is on discord or can do that

It’s a very easy feature and its more quality of life thing

[soft juniper]

well who knows

[tawdry kelp]

i feel like the cl40 is one of the most annoying weapons to play against, especially when playing as light, its just complete cancer

[drowsy notch]

I like tracking dart if I need to hunt down a enemy that got separated from their team or trying to chase down a slippery person, imo sonar is cracked if your holding down a small area with tons of entrances or ways to enter

[inland breach]

I vouch for the tracking dart and it actually has great NICHE synergy. I like to pair it with the Revolver in casual modes since l can 1 head or 2 body a light with the extra 5 damage the dart hit provides

[stray gale]

Are they ever gonna nerf the nuke? Its become a staple in all sorts of ranks, and has become annoying in every way and honestly kills the good feeling of this game.

[vocal hatch]

just launched the finals after a while of not playing, first 3/4 deaths were from nukes, id argue at least half of them were nukes

[vocal hatch]

joined this discord again just to complain about it.. again.. seriously wtf are the devs thinking

[white thistle]

Stim for light

[stray gale]

They really need too balance that garbage.

[vocal hatch]

long ttk game that is supposed to promote team interplay and they have an AOE one shot mechanic.. makes sense

[sonic heron]

The people who want that nerfed just want to beam people from midrange and not worry about flanked from what I have seen.

Short range weapons should beat long range weapons when they get close.

[sonic heron]

I should have replied to what I was responding to. Did not realize I was talking to an older post my b

[midnight leaf]

⚠️ Daily request to allow shooting to interrupt the reload animation of the Model 1887 when there are already shells loaded ⚠️

also option to remove melee auto-lock

[vagrant oasis]

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[distant hawk]

that already works with the shooting to reload cancel, i think. but its inconsistent 🤔

[midnight leaf]

test it more and youll see what i mean, ive explained a few times but i think im lazy tonight

[scenic elbow]

aps related question, if I put aps ontop of an armed enemy mine, does it delete it?

[kindred field]

putting c4 on a gas tank tho classic

[naive bear]

They should maybe try to add battlefield 1s damage model of where smgs max out damage at close range and rifles max out damage at medium range

Havent died to nukes in a couple days in ranked or unranked play, they already got hit with a massive nerf anyways so you have to use them long range at this point or you are committing suicide

[lone tusk]

New weapons suggestions
For light like a gravity pistol which can lift, damage enemies.
For medium like a overtime damage weapon like a poison gun or something which can also heal allies.
For heavy the addition of minigun would be great.

[cloud anchor]

Maybe they could buff the M60 by allowing you to mount it for minimal recoil; perhaps with something like a 3 second animation in between so it can't be instantly set up in the middle of a 1v1.

[hallow blaze]

😮

[soft juniper]

So what Otter is meaning is you cant relaod cancle to shot when you try to manualy reload it only works when the automatic reload happens

[ashen robin]

https://tenor.com/view/tengen-uzui-tengen-demon-slayer-demon-slayer-season2-tengen-spinning-gif-25723012 Can we get this guys weapon???

[real nebula]

Weapon ideas for each class

For Light, a P90 style weapon with a canted laser sight on so instead of ADS you aim with the laser instead. Recoil will be wild at first but stabilizes the longer you shoot.

For medium, a bow and arrow. Similar to the throwing knives but with a slower fire rate and a projectile. Can two shot lights.

The Heavy gets a Desert Eagle. Very powerful, with an okay fire rate, but a huge kick similar to the revolver. Only holds seven rounds so missing your shots can be very punishing.

Bonus weapon: Would love to see more burst weapons in the game i just don't know which class deserves it.

[cloud anchor]

Interesting ideas, sounds good

[real nebula]

Ty 😄

[distant hawk]

ahh, okay. i see 👀

[distant hawk]

yo karmacrow told me , what u exactly mean. thats interesting 🤔

[midnight leaf]

yeah it just feels really bad. if there's shots loaded, they gotta be available whenever you need them

thats the change im advocating for every day. the weapon is really fun otherwise

[ashen robin]

https://tenor.com/view/goldeneye-n64-goldeneye-watch-pause-nintendo64-bond-watch-watch-menu-gif-23940243 Give us watch lasers

[steel solar]

the cloak bomb needs to have a fushigi skin

[misty axle]

Why use a bow when you have the CL-40?

[misty axle]

You're totally wrong on that, you can cancel the reload by shooting once the ammo counter goes up.
This is the same for all weapons with ammo/reloads.

[misty axle]

I've managed to throw a mine underneath an APS and it stuck once, but I swear I've had them delete my mines before.

[soft juniper]

Your gona want to tell otter how to because he’s gona keep saying it until they add it

[misty axle]

@soft juniper I have.

[misty axle]

I also posted the workaround of just re-equipping the weapon if you're desperate.
Works better than in Counterstrike lol.

[soft juniper]

Well I see him still saying it

I’m just saying the thing that he’s not liking since everyone is thinking of the moments when your out of ammo and you can reload one shell and shoot right away

[misty axle]

I always thought people are thinking of the times where you try to reload and get animation locked trying to rechamber the ejected shell.

idk, listening to people complain about the 1887 being "inconsistent" reduces my estimate of the average gamer IQ.

And I'm pretty fluffin' stupid.
Hence why I check myself all the time.

[soft juniper]

Honestly I know I don’t even run guns a lot of the time I’m a melee main

But I like to know how each weapon runs so I can understand how to counter it

[misty axle]

I think that conventional guns are pretty boring and avoid Assault Rifles/SMGs whenever I can in FPSs.
The Revolver felt nice in OB and what I used until I unlocked Riot Shield / CL-40.
I've been maining the CL-40 since full release.

[soft juniper]

I was a crazy man playing everything until I found what I liked, as a light player mostly I’m very good with the Throwing knifes, Sword, Dagger

Medium I preferred the Revolver and riot and heavy Flamethrower and Sleg

And I know what you mean about staying away from the conventional guns I just don’t like using them because everyone uses them makes that game not feel unique because I like seeing different type of builds it’s great

[misty axle]

I mean, I like playing to the mechanical advantages of weapons or playing around limitations- makes me think how I'm going to approach an engagement.

That being said, I'm on Starlink for my ISP, so my ping is always going to be higher than anyone else from my region, so I can't win an even fight with the same TTK.

I don't know if my tracking sucks because I never use conventional full-auto weapons or not anymore. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[summer bluff]

nerf light

[warm lion]

@median olive

[light mirage]

dome shield op

[tardy pagoda]

You mean the dome shield that can be broken in under 2 seconds?

[light mirage]

not if u place it right!

[tardy pagoda]

If someone places it weird just take a different angle to destroy it. I play HML and it’s not broken

[restive plover]

Facts

[light mirage]

dome shield needs a nerf, it takes way too long to break

[tardy pagoda]

Ima be real with you rn bro. I think this might be an aiming problem

[light mirage]

no it just takes ages to break, it takes a full 5 mags of medium akm

[distant hawk]

🤡

[tardy pagoda]

Are you talking about dome shield or mesh shield?

[light mirage]

dome shield, mesh shield is a complete different story, that thing is SO BROKEN! 1 million hp?!

[tardy pagoda]

Dome shield has like 250hp 😭

[light mirage]

250k wtf so broken

[tardy pagoda]

😂

[distant hawk]

what a troll

[light mirage]

dome shield just does need a nerf, once its nerfed i will be happy

[viral quartz]

Light's glitch nade will always do a number on those pesky shields

[golden adder]

Frag grenades need some sort of danger indicator

[gentle badger]

DEFIB GANG

[hearty elk]

-69,590

[soft juniper]

Dome shield is weak first few seconds it’s dropped you can destroy it stupidly quick it does not need a nerf or a buff it’s fine where it is

[soft juniper]

Cool opinion care to give a good reason why it should and how?

[summer bluff]

ye it should have 50 hp because i said so

[soft juniper]

Sounds like a skill issue that can’t kill a 150hp unite

[summer bluff]

who said i cant kill them?

[soft juniper]

Then why complain about them?

[summer bluff]

cause they annoyingand too op

[soft juniper]

Lights are easy to deal with

And off there annoying to deal with then there doing there job

Next thing your gona say is Heavy is too tanky and destructive and need to be nerfed

[summer bluff]

nah heavy needa buff

just like nukes

[soft juniper]

🤡

[summer bluff]

🤓

[misty axle]

Isn't Dome shield 300 HP?
I know it's less than 330 and Patch 1.4 dropped it to 300, but I might've missed it in another patchnote.
https://www.reachthefinals.com/patchnotes/140

[empty scroll]

Guys, why is nuke still a thing? People have complained about this since what? Launch? Can you actually do something about it instead of doing fuck all?

[misty axle]

tbf, they've nerfed it over and over; it did more damage with more range in the past.

[empty scroll]

Still op and uncounterable tho :)

[warm lion]

krill issue

[misty axle]

Yeah, the counters are.. inconsistent at best and it's still pretty busted for a single gadget slot.

Limiting C4 to just one charge would probably be the play, if you ask me.

[empty scroll]

Just make it the same as lights instead of making it an op item to an alrerady op role

[misty axle]

Would still be able to 1-shot Lights close to the explosion, and at the 1.6m edge if the barrel was toxic, I think.

[misty axle]

Maybe drop it to one charge to be a more player-damaging breaching charge and swap it with light.

I wonder how that would shake up the meta

Since Lights can't be invisible while carrying it and they can get 1-shot easily if it gets shot/exploded (unless they hand it over to their teammates, but then you have to coordinate detonating it).

[empty scroll]

True, let me just ignore the 1 shot :D

[empty scroll]

Just make it light 2.0 it shouldn't kill people, it should just interact with the enviroment. No one enjoys getting 1 shot by something you can't do anything about, especially not if it takes 0 skill.

[misty axle]

Double mines go hard.

The number of free kills I've gotten by putting 2 mines on the bottom of Monaco house stairs and a gas further up on the stairwall..

This is day whatever of asking if CL-40 and MGL32 can get trajectory lines when ADSing

[warm lion]

just learn them

[misty axle]

Yeah, but ADSing literally has 0 functional purpose.

[warm lion]

neither do melee weapons on the reload button

[misty axle]

Even ADSing with shotguns has a purpose for controller Aim Assist.

[misty axle]

Oshit, you're right.. Parry function when?

[warm lion]

https://tenor.com/view/ultrakill-parry-brick-cat-gif-5347859430242749642

let us counter nukes real

[light mirage]

nerf dome shield

[misty axle]

It's 300HP, doesn't block gas, and gets 1-shot by glitch.

[light mirage]

op

[golden adder]

Being able to dance around the shield and do damage from both sides while enemies can’t shoot through either side is dome’s issue.

[misty axle]

Drop a goo nade.
Or otherwise disengage and flank.

[ashen robin]

I use dome shield, all of a sudden the entire enemy team wants hugs

[misty axle]

I'm a frisbee delivery service!

[golden adder]

If we’re throwing out hypotheticals the heavy could just charge and slam.

Regardless it doesn’t change the fact the dome shield is way too forgiving and doesn’t punish the heavy for being pushed out of one of their two shields.

[ashen robin]

Frisbee Gadget, specifically made for nuking but only drops the enemy to 1 hp lol

[misty axle]

I mean, they have one shield and if you're too far from cover, yoru postitioning is kind of bad, yeah?

[misty axle]

Oh, I meant mines.

[ashen robin]

oh lmao. i still want a frisbee+slingshot+spud gun+air fryer+land drone

[agile mason]

gas masks would be a wild counter for gas

[warm lion]

ok but fire already exists

[agile mason]

no like you can breathe in the gas field

[warm lion]

but you can just throw a fire nade

[agile mason]

got a point

[junior salmon]

love the word.

[ember haven]

Please nerf the fucking APS, why does this thing directly counter two weapons?

[steel solar]

so is the pyro grenades XP gain based on the initial hit with the grenade IE: hitting a player with the asset, or does it also account for the carryover fire damage too? I wanna know if I need to be hitting people or if the fire is just okay.

[drowsy notch]

lol what

[ember haven]

It stops both grenade launchers from working

[misty axle]

Try pryo nade, flamethrower, or shooting pyro mines

Or, like Area fire barrels

[smoky granite]

Recon drone

[ashen robin]

why not just a normal radar lol.

you pull it up, it shows dots of the doppler as it scans, you put it up

[restive plover]

REQUEST: T-shirt cannon. You shoot the player in the face and they get blinded for x seconds. Would be hilarious.

[verbal moth]

You can damage the turret by shooting just outside of its range (at least with medium)

[ember haven]

The main issue is heavy's grenades bounce like a mfer

[verbal moth]

Yeah... I play with the heavy GL more than any other gun lately and aps is an impossible thing to counter it feels like

[tribal slate]

yea same for the medium gl

the gls need a way to kill the aps so we have a fair chance

[verbal moth]

Agreed. Especially since you can't use the RPG on heavy to take it out, you're out of luck if the other team is running it and they put it on a choke point

[ember haven]

Frankly both grenade launchers struggle.

Heavy's doesn't explode on direct hits for some reason and does a lot of self damage. Never mind it's weird inconsistancy with timing on the grenades.

Med's GL just needs an extra round tbh

[verbal moth]

I think direct hits exploding in impact would be a good change for the heavy gl. I honestly like the way that you can bank shots as it is right now, but if someone is closer than 10-15 meters then you're going to have a tough time defending yourself if you're not inside a building

[ember haven]

Never mind at a higher elevation.

"Oh you actually managed to aim it despite the disadvantage? Fuck you the grenade bounces"

That or have the right trigger shoot impact grnades, and left shoots the bouncy

Not like grenade launchers need irons ya?

[flat ore]

or it could work as it does IRL, which is the grenade must travel a certain distance before it can detonate on hit.

prevents point blank spam/kamikaze, and lets ranged fire feel impactful

[ember haven]

Still fucks you in closer range fights and might fuck you in longer ranged one when you need a bounce

[verbal moth]

I don't think that the heavy GL is made for close range though. The intent imo is to play an angle where you can bounce shots onto point

I'm not sure how a timer charge would impact how I currently use the gl but it would be really interesting to try

[flat ore]

heavy gl isn't meant for close range though, it's made for clearing cover and carpeting objectives. CL-40 is the closer range, impact explosive

[verbal moth]

Agreed. That's why medium GL has such good synergy with the mines

[flat ore]

totally,

[verbal moth]

I do think that direct hits exploding instantly could be a good way to reward accuracy at close range. Maybe increase the self damage to balance out (though I have no idea how much)

[ember haven]

Yeah but why can't you be allowed to defend yourself up close? Seems fucky to just go "well your fucked" if anyone gets close to you.

[flat ore]

or go the COD route, which is using a GL for close range direct hits has it work more like a slug than an explosive

[ember haven]

That'd be funny

[verbal moth]

I think it's just more of an issue of what guns are supposed to fill what roles. Shotgun or flamethrower is supposed to fill that close range

I do think that if you're using charge and slam it can really easily cover your bases for close range. Or possibly use the goo gun to immobilize and then bounce shots into them? I haven't tried it but I might give it a go tonight lol

[flat ore]

your whole kit is close range weaponry, or suppression gear. you have firebombs, goo grenades, mines, gas, and frankly, your squad if you play the way you're intended. heavy GL is a support weapon, you shouldn't be in situations where you're engaging people solo anyway if that's what you're running, as again it's intended for zoning and terrain/cover clearing

[verbal moth]

Agreed. I typically play behind my teammates and lob shots into whatever team they're fighting. I also use it to clear mines or turrets

[ember haven]

Tell me how it goes, I'm currently paling around.

[worn flicker]

How is everyone liking the team colors on shields? I love it and think the healing beam needs the same treatment.

[verbal moth]

I love it. Helps bring some clarity in the midst of chaotic gun fights. I would imagine it would be a cool change that people would like

[flat ore]

money trails too, that'd be awesome

[flat ore]

quoted the other guy meant to quote you XD

[worn flicker]

XD

[void rivet]

My glitch nades love it

[iron arch]

yuh

[real nebula]

The Bow will do more damage and and the projectile will be much faster than the CL-40. The bow is more high risk and high reward weapon that doesn't have to reload because it's y'know a bow lol. If you want to separate the bow from the other weapons, then we can make it do more damage so that I can one shot Lights and put Mediums on life alert, but I'm worried that it would just create another reason not to play light lmao.
(Sorry it took me so long to get back to you)

[misty axle]

So, CL-40 does 110 damage with splash, so it can
2-shot Light | 3-shot Medium | 4-shot Heavy
with a quick topup reload as long as you don't run it empty.
The CL-40 also has some ability in destruction and gadget clear.
A bow dealing 125-149 body damage would
2-shot Light | 2-shot Medium | 3-shot Heavy
Before accounting for any headshots.
Light's Sniper, the SR-84 does 115 / 230 on body/head shot

The 1887, which is also another slow-firing weapon does 128 damage if all pellets hit

[cosmic tide]

out of curiosity what is everyone's view on the balance of the tazer, do you feel that it is too strong or too weak, and if so how would you balance it.

Personally, i feel like the only thing that makes it so not fun to play against is the duration, the ability for a light to use vanish nades, dash up behind me, and then full kill me as a heavy just makes it feel so boring to play against, if i had the ability to nerf it i would cut the duration clean in half, or maybe even more