💣┇weapons-gadgets

[slate quail]

If every light is using one ability, I think that ability may be unbalanced lol

[patent venture]

its not overpowered, it just abuses un co-ordinated players, so 99% off the playerbase

[tacit nacelle]

its definitely not overpowered
use your eyes and its countered
use thermal and its countered
use recon and its countered
mines
covering an entrance
cc
its not hard to counter

light just doesnt have very good abilities and cloak is easy

also, if you watch the ability video, you can see that it isnt completely invisible

[slate quail]

It having counters doesnt make it any less overpowered lol

Its disproportionately balanced with the rest of lights abilities

[tacit nacelle]

yes it kind of does
it has counterplay, including SEEING

[slate quail]

I mean this is just bad argumentation

[tacit nacelle]

because light is underpowered

[slate quail]

In a game with so many particle effects and vfx, seeing isnt exactly a given lol

[tacit nacelle]

and people havent gotten good enough with grapple or dash

[tacit nacelle]

the light distortion is visible through it all btw
and if you cant see either way, why should it matter that theyre invis?

the ability is dumb. its not overpowered

[slate quail]

yeah, but db and cloak are overpowered compared to the rest of their abilties. Bring these two down and buff the class as a whole

[slate quail]

It's like seeing a distortion in a static field, our eyes dont work like that. And people are definitely still visible through those effects, theyre just harder to spot

[tacit nacelle]

db is too strong
buff the rest of the class, nerf db
cloak is fine where its at. rework it to be more punishing when shot out of and less visible when running but more visible when standing, but dont just nerf it

[slate quail]

Thats an awful rework for it

[tacit nacelle]

when you know theres an invisible person, you can watch for it. youre a m main, use recon nade

[tacit nacelle]

makes camping less terrible, makes catching them better. currently them running is abt as visible as no cloak

[slate quail]

I do, thats part of my standard loadout lol. But recon nade needs you to know their general location already

[tacit nacelle]

if you cant see a running cloaked person...

[slate quail]

Okay you're being facetious. Maybe you just have super eyes but they are not that easy to spot in the heat of a battle

[tacit nacelle]

its really easy to spot lmao
maybe you should try looking

[slate quail]

Im sorry but Im not going to take a light main's word that a light's ability isnt unbalanced

[ashen fiber]

Does the tracking dart also allow my teammates to see the players I hit?
( i dont have anyone to test it with)

[slate quail]

yeah, that's how all recon works except recon senses (the ability one)

[ashen fiber]

ok that makes it a bit better

[slate quail]

It definitely isnt

[tacit nacelle]

I ALREADY AGREED that cloak is bad for the game
its not overpowered tho

i feel like me being a light main has nothing to do with being able to see other people using cloak

[slate quail]

Eh, tracking dart is kinda bad in my opinion. If someone's out in the open in front of me, most of the time its better to just shoot them

[tacit nacelle]

especially considering i dont use cloak
and ive argued that its bad for the game against people who use it plenty of times

[tacit nacelle]

medium main, opinion abt medium gadget invalid

[ashen fiber]

true. Maybe it would be useful with shotgun

or shield or Grenade launcher

[slate quail]

Well for one you're at their height, so it IS easier to spot as a light. And light playstyle is one that avoids direct combat, so you dont meet other lights mid-battle as often

[tacit nacelle]

also literally everyone agrees cloak db is unhealthy. even the people wo use it

[ashen fiber]

what is Db?

[slate quail]

Yeah, but cloak is definitely overpowered. The cloak effect is not easy to see and has unbalanced activation and cooldown times

[slate quail]

double barrel shotgun for light

[ashen fiber]

ah yeah

I still have to try that combo

[slate quail]

its prob the most viable light ability right now

[tacit nacelle]

double barrel shotgun

[slate quail]

and if cloak was easy to see, people wouldnt be using it over the other 2 abilities. I came to this game with years of experience in Apex and titanfall 2 and can do pretty well with grapple, but when I tried cloak my combat score skyrocketed

[tacit nacelle]

cloak isnt overpowered
double barrel is too strong
cloak enables the double barrel
being viable doesnr make it overpowered
thats because the other abilities are not viable. nerfing cloak just means that light as a whole is not viable

cloak is balanced because it does what its meant to. you have to look out for it to see it. if you dont pay attention then they have an advantage

[slate quail]

I agree that the other 2 abilities arent viable but cloak is still overpowered, even without the double barrel

[slate quail]

Even if you do pay attention, you can lose it mid battle

[tacit nacelle]

sure
its overpowered
make it last 5 seconds and give it a 20 second cd
also make it visible so you can see it if youre looking towards them

[reef loom]

glitch bombs best

[tacit nacelle]

mr massacre when an ability gets value

https://tenor.com/view/ugly-tears-sobbing-crying-disgusting-tears-sob-gif-15852086

[tacit nacelle]

frrrrr

[slate quail]

the value shouldnt come from being able to just weasle out of fights

If you want a good cloak ability, look at titanfall 2 or overwatch

Well sombra's kinda annoying but better balanced than this

[tacit nacelle]

sombra is fully invisible
her cloak isnt op because supports are too strong

[slate quail]

Yeah and light does too much damage output to have a comparable invisibility

[slate quail]

Titanfall 2 cloak is honestly the gold standard for cloak abilities

[tacit nacelle]

heal value comes from pressing a button
shield value comes from pressing a button
cloak value comes from using your ability to not be killed on sight, taking a new path and choosing an opportune time to pick off an enemy who is vulnerable

[slate quail]

Again, just look at titanfall 2's and compare it to this

[tacit nacelle]

this game isnt titanfall 2

[slate quail]

Honestly Titanfall 2 has a few abilities and weapons that are just better balanced versions

[tacit nacelle]

same with how this game isnt overwatch
every single character has a three second rez on no cd
mercy has it on a 30 second cd
does that make rezzing busted?

[slate quail]

Obviously not, but its a great example of a cloak that doesnt dominate the game. Cloak is a plague and it's very overpowered

[restive plover]

i miss tf2

[tacit nacelle]

if cloak dominated, the meta wouldnt be hhm/hmm

[slate quail]

it dominates lights

[tacit nacelle]

AND YET
the meta is hhm/hmm

[tacit nacelle]

because everything else is weak

[slate quail]

Okay so bring it down to everything else's level and buff light as a whole

Im done this is going in circles

[tacit nacelle]

a great example of how that works is dead by daylight
the hillbilly has 2 addons that are okay
the rest are ass
those are the only two addons that get used
they tried to nerf those two addins
everyone got mad
because they were not overpowered
cloak is not overpowred

the rest are just ass

even then, among light players, dash is considered better
cloak is just easier

[ember heart]

ANY1 KNOW WHY ALL MY ENEMY TEAM COLOURS ARE RED??

[restive plover]

check your settings, there is a setting that has to do with enemy colors and that is probably it

itll be the first setting and make sure it is turned on

[main yew]

Is there a lifetime on c4/breach charges? Cuz a couple times I’ve left them next to a cash out so I can stickytrap ppl but when I go to det they just don’t

[stable igloo]

Don't think there's a noticeable lifetime, but they can be glitched, shot, blown up, and disappear if you have more than your max amount out

[magic adder]

Weapons need to be balanced holy hell does this game favor other weapons than most

[patent venture]

as the other guy said they get destroyed easily, i reccomend setting them on the floor below the cashout or on a barrel you can launch at the cashout instead of on the cashout, as good players will just counter them

[spiral pilot]

Can we get nunchucks on the light please

[stark shadow]

hmm

[silk viper]

How would this be any different from the knife or sword?

[uncut sparrow]

knockback

[silk viper]

Why would that be positive when you wield a melee weapon?

Nobody would use it if it had knockback, it would only make you lose more fights

[uncut sparrow]

Oh fair lol, yeah I just said the first thing that came to mind

[warped sparrow]

Lights should get knuckle dusters and cause concussions when they hit an enemy😎

[spiral pilot]

its cooler and inovating, maybe you can add some sort of knockout to it

[silk viper]

Its not very innovating when there are already 2 melee weapons tbh

[silk viper]

More stuns isnt really what this game needs

OW struggled a lot with having too much CC

[warped sparrow]

Okay knuckle dusters but they shoot flaming gunpowder

[silk viper]

People have been saying that they'd like a Bow and Arrow for Medium and that would be kinda cool, a semi-automatic long range option

[swift oxide]

Would Modifiers for Weapons Be a fun Thing to get added. Like Imagine Heat vision Scope Or night vision scope On Sr-84 And each modifier cost 200 Vrs

[gilded eagle]

Nah we don't need attachments, just becomes weird then

[spiral pilot]

nunchucks itself are.

[cinder tusk]

could we get a tactical nuke that has no cooldown

[keen panther]

i struggle that all the gadgets have different throw arcs. skill issue abound over here

[cinder rose]

yall's thoughts on medium's gadget having literal walls?

[zinc linden]

Not a gadget but a specialization. And that was already busted before so clearly need a nerf. Streamers seem to agree a lot from those I watched.

[signal pilot]

:)

[wanton void]

Walls has no impact if i get nuked by a barrel with c4 on it everytime i spawn.

[umbral coral]

or shotgunned, or rpged, or sniped, or...

or your team runs in face first into bullets standing in the open and not using the environment at all so even if you arnt dying instantly your team is

[wanton void]

none of those one tap mediums

[umbral coral]

one, sniper adn shotgunns can on head shots, but 2, does that even matter? 2 tap you then? that make you feel better?

[jade karma]

Knives kinda OP when you learn them.

[tame knot]

Please don't add more weapons that don't require any skill to use. Even the pc version of the game has Aim Assist for all melee weapons.

[fickle radish]

are you complaining about melee weapons?
Just asking eh

[hardy kernel]

Please put nice challenge camos that would be cool

[empty scroll]

So can we nerf the heavy roles health now? There's no reason for the easiest role to be the strongest :D

[long crescent]

I feel throwing knives are too slow

[tame knot]

The whole concept of Heavy rule is bigger HP. I don't think the HP is the problem but the C4's on throwable objects giving free kills 24/7 are the problem.

[empty scroll]

350 hp + 2 shields who each have like 1000+ hp

[warm lion]

glitch it lol

[fickle radish]

dome shield has 300hp

[empty scroll]

Hm yes. Cause you'll always the have opportunity for it, and every single roll (medium pepelaugh) surely has one.

[warm lion]

sounds like a skill issue

[gilded eagle]

dome shield needs 5k hp lets be honest

[fickle radish]

first, why are you engaging an heavy as a light?

[tame knot]

That's the role of the tanks. And those shields are extremely easy to break and they got nerfed last patch.

[empty scroll]

How much does the othero ne have? 1115+ or some? + an additional 200 hp. That's 1315 in total. Then let's add the addtional 350 hp heavy has which then gives 1665 damage to shred through in total. Then you can factor in the fact you can receive healing or even double healing to make you basically immortal.

[empty scroll]

Except they aren't easy to break, and the nerfs were slaps on the wrists and not proper heavy nerfs that genuinely change the role in a meaningful and impactful way. It was QOL changes.

[fickle radish]

so why not focusing on the healer instead, killing tank is not lights job

[empty scroll]

Heavy = Op role, needs to die for team to have a chance of capturing points.
Medium = Cant break shields, needs lights glitch grenade for it.
Light = Don't engage heavy, rocket launcher one shots, shotgun 2 or 3 shots with quick spam and glitch grenade takes like 2 sec in total to activate.

[empty scroll]

Cause healer gets protected by 2nd healer, and heavy will body block or shield. :D

You will never beat a heavy unless you are multiple people shooting at them and even in a 1v1 you're at a disadvantage. It's the easiest role who gets the most value. I just think it's dumb. Nerf the hp to like 300 :D

[fickle radish]

sounds like a.......you know.....s k i l l i s s u e
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nah i'm joking, the thing is that atm light is the most useless class imo. Its not about other classes being op, but its more about light being weak, it doesent fit well in the current meta, has no true purpose and what he can do can be done better by mediums most of the times. I would complain more about lights being weak instead other classes being op. Currently medium and heavy are pretty well balanced (they still need some tweaks like heavy nuke thing eh) . But man light is weak af, has 0 utility for the team, is forced to play alone, and can only kill random people and most of the times they do useless kills that do not help the team. Idk, light class is missing something.

PS: you can actually double tap a heavy as a light with DB shotgun

[empty scroll]

I agree that light feels kinda meaningless since you can get the same value, if not more, from playing double medium and 1 heavy. However, it's not just light being weak. Even as medium, fighting a heavy is borderline suicide because of the 2 shields and the abnormally large hp. Yet despite all that ability to tank damage, heavy still does some insanely high damage stupidly big mags of like 70 bullets and a rocket launcher which 1 shots one class and leaves the other with under half of their hp. The role is easy and stupid. You should be rewarded for being better, not feel like you're playing fucking dead by daylight because you see a fat man in a 10m radius of you.

[fickle radish]

idk, maybe its cause i'm used to hero shooters and i'm used to tanks being immortals, i dont feel like it is a problem tbh. I like that tank is well, a tank. I maybe would nerf a bit his dmg and make it more as a support role instead of a dps role like it is rn. I also think that devs want the game to have longer fights more like hero shooters have instead of super short fights that end up in a wipe in less than 10 seconds.

[empty scroll]

Tanks in overwatch is tanky and can take damage, but also deal lesser damage. Here tanks can tank and deal equal to if not more damage.

[gilded eagle]

hm

[fickle radish]

Tanks on the finals are more like off tanks on paladins. Good dmg, good health and pretty good mobility and tanks on paladins never, never ever die. A main tank can stand on the point for like 15 minutes without dying lol
(and its fun imo)

[tame knot]

IDK what to say. I don't wanna be that guy but you just don't know how this game works. In every game tanks work the same. They have HP and they tank bullets. Dooms are extremely easy to destroy alone. Same with his specialization when you play as a team.

[empty scroll]

Take Rein for example. A lot of hp, a shield with even more hp. Able to tank incredibly well, but the damage output is as a result lesser for that reason. When you have a role that can tank so much damage and have damage output equal to, IF NOT BETTER, to the other classes which have less tank ability and more supporting tools or raw damage, then you have an issue. Why play light that is harder and less effective, if I can just play heavy and stand in corners with double shield, a rocket launcher, 2 C4's and a shotgun or a Lewis gun with like 75 bullets. Easier to play, probably about double the value for doing half the work and taking half the skill.

[empty scroll]

Tanks tank bullets. They usually don't tank bullets and delete anyone who dared stand in front of them in a 10m radius for a solid 5 seconds. You CANT 1v1 a heavy without being at a disadvantage. You NEED to find a way to bullshit your way to a victory by other means such as teamwork to take down 1 fat guy.

[empty scroll]

(Paladins is a mid game without a competitive scene because it's not made for the sake of being balanced or good, just for people to sometimes drop in and play a few games and then drop out later)

[fickle radish]

On paladins off tanks most of the times are the top dps of the game. But the game still works fine in terms of balancing (well, it worked fine until last time a played it, idk now).
I fell like atm heavies need a little nerf, but not that much of a nerf, rpg cant one tap anymore lights and have like a 3 minute cooldown (that is a lot imo), shields are fine, specially dome, only dmg output is a bit higher than it should be, but its not so op

[fickle radish]

Paladins had a competitive scene and also had esports. Hi-rez removed it a while ago, but the game was well balanced for competitive games when i was playing it. Actually way better than ow for a lot of aspects imo. Btw i'm doing comparisons to paladins only cause on paladins i have like 2k hours and on ow i have 500h

[empty scroll]

350 health + 200 dome + 1115+ extra shield. A weapon that leaves you with under half your hp. So the best tools in the game that makes you unable to damage them, but they can damage you. Weapons that require less skill, but still do as much damage as you. Most hp in the game, BIG advantage in fights.

[tacit nacelle]

the issue is the tank also does plenty of damage
any game where tank can dps usually has role lock or tank/support dominates

[empty scroll]

I have 2k hours in Overwatch and is GM. Trust me. There isn't a single aspect where Paladins is a better game than Overwatch. Less balanced, less focused on skill = reward, less players (to my latest knowledge) smaller competitive scene (basically dead to my current knowledge)

[tacit nacelle]

in my experience at least

[empty scroll]

Absolut facts

Imagine playing Overwatch 2 where tanks role lock wouldn't be a thing. You'd see at least 3 tanks and 2 supports every game. Why play dps if you can play tank? More hp, around the same damage.

[tacit nacelle]

paladinsnis a different gam. sometimes it is more fun too
i personally like the design of support more than in ow

[tacit nacelle]

goats 💀
and also open queue

3 tank 2 supp is meta in open queue, even with the tank nerfs

[empty scroll]

Diff is that Ow has some level of competitive balance aspect. It's mostly made for fun, but there is also balance kept in mind to a certain degree. Paladins doesn't care about comp or balance. Their philosophy is balance doesn't matter too much because they just want to have fun and get some cash. It's not made to grind, it's made for you to hop on a few times and play a little and then just leave.

[empty scroll]

Yeah. That's why we have role lock. So the dps role can have a glorified (useful as long as forced to play it). I don't know why there isn't a role lock in this game either. Prob because of "creativity and freedom" but I don't think anyone enjoys seeing 2 heavies with double shield or 1 heavy with double shield and 2 mediums who both run healing beam to become glorified pocket mercy's.

[tacit nacelle]

its useful against other dps :>

[tame knot]

Lights can easly 1v1 Heavy's with Stun Gun. It is worse for Mediums because they have big disadvantage

[tacit nacelle]

i think no role lock is fine in this game
light with glitch should keep 2/4 shield meta in check if it had better range

[empty scroll]

Yee, until you meet supports. Well, the new supports anyway.

[tacit nacelle]

equally skilled light probably loses the 1v1 and a heavy shouldnt be alone anyways

[tacit nacelle]

its useful against other dps whonare out of position **
old dps too
ana and bap stop everything lmao

[empty scroll]

If you can somehow manage to sneak up on a heavy without getting blown up and somehow the rest of the team isn't behind the heavy then yes, light does have a chance to win if the stun gun is used due to it's no ADS denial.

[empty scroll]

Currently Kiriko and Bap just need to get gutted and Ana nade needs a slight adjustment.

[empty scroll]

I think you should only be able to run 1 heavy. Ain't no fun in shooting at shields all day. If I wanted to do that, I could play Overwatch.

[tacit nacelle]

kiri doesnt need gutteddd tp needs changed
bap should have less self peel tho

[fickle radish]

its like you say, right now. I already said more than once that i'm referring to paladins back on the days i was playing it, so when the game was alive and not dead like it is atm. Also paladins has class lock, you cant even change class during match and on ranked cant play the same hero on both teams. Higher ttk, actually more focused on skill play cause fights are way longer than ow fights. Also master on paladins, even if i dont think that flexing ranks should be a thing while doing this kind of discussions -.-
Anyway never struggled against heavys even as a medium, the only problem that i see atm are heavies running with c4 and red barrel. Also, as i said, a light should never engage an heavy unless is playing with stun + DB

[tacit nacelle]

light glitch nade removes shields. with a higher range, itd become a decent counter

[empty scroll]

Kiri's entire kit ideally needs a rework. Suzu does everything and counters everything with 0 counter, insanely high damage output, insane mobility, insanely small hitbox, insane ult.

Bap needs immortality rework and damage nerf

Ana nade needs to not increase healing received after splash.

[tacit nacelle]

duzu is her kit and the damage and ult are in line with supp atm
hitbox needs changed fs tho

[tacit nacelle]

increasing healing is good
it encourages it to be used not as anti

[empty scroll]

If Light is ran. Cause again, why run Light when you can run heavy or medium and get 2x the value. Can't use glitch grenade if the role is so weak it's more beneficial to run something else.

[tacit nacelle]

yeahhh
light needs buffs to be usable then shield would be less of an issue
making fire do +shield damage or smthn could also woek

i dont think role lock is the answer in this game tho

[empty scroll]

Instead of power creeping Light, I think we should just nerf heavy. No reason to buff something that is only weak because X is op.

[tacit nacelle]

light is weak in general
if light was weak because heavy is op then light would be good because they have the best counter to shields in the game

[fickle radish]

that is the point, its more light being useless rather than heavy being op, even with some little tweaks to heavy, light would still be useless. Heavy should have half hp, dmg and shield to make light useful, so better buff light instead of nerfing heavy af. Light has so many other reasons of why its weak, its not weak cause literally his counter is stronger. Heavis should always be stronger than lights

[empty scroll]

Light isn't weak in general. Light is around equal to medium in killing potential and killing ability. A light can 1v1 a medium and win with a surprise attack or a stun gun. It's only when fighting a heavy it's borderline suicide to fight 1v1. That goes for both light and medium.

[tacit nacelle]

yeah i think heavy and med are decently balanced. buff body slam a bit tho

[tacit nacelle]

medium has better range and utility in most situations
a med can hold their own in a 1v1 at midrange against heavy whereas a light cant

[fickle radish]

but why a light should fight his counter. Other classes should deal with him while lights does other things

[tacit nacelle]

med also has an advantage unless light gets the jump on them

[cosmic heath]

new to the game. does weapon level make the guns better or does it do nothing?

[tacit nacelle]

light can 1v1 a medium if light flanks and catches off guard
thats p much it

[tacit nacelle]

its ourely cosmetic lvl 6 skin is p cool tho

[cosmic heath]

thankssss

[tacit nacelle]

mhm!!

[empty scroll]

Or just nerf heavy's hp to 300 OR you could keep the hp at 350 and gut the damage output. Then we have medium who is assassins with high damage and quick potential to get out. Light is a glass canon. Quick kill potential, small health. Medium has good damage but no ability to get out. They can tank more and as a result has slower kill time. Heavy is a fucking tank. Borderline 1 shot weapon + weapons that take less skill but put out around the same damage as mediums.

[fickle radish]

I still dont get why nerfing heavy would be better to buffing the weakest class of the game

[empty scroll]

You can do both :D

Nerf the op role and buff the weak role

[tacit nacelle]

i dont think nerfing hp is the best option everyone is 100 hp apart and it solidifies their differences and makes them more unique
nerfing shield is a good thing to do tho

[fickle radish]

Anyway unless light is playing grapple, medium has more mobility while using jumpad

[empty scroll]

Fair enough. You could also just nerf the damage output

[tacit nacelle]

medium is almost as good as heavy
medium is just less noticeable since they enable heavy

[tacit nacelle]

nerfing damage output is a rlly good idea actually

[fickle radish]

By doing that you are going to face the exact opposite problem. Heavy being weaker and light being able to kill the highest HP hero of the game

[empty scroll]

Not as good or valueable, but their utility is a close 2nd. Healing is good, but having 2 shields that can tank more than 3 what you can heal is just better

[tacit nacelle]

heal + defib + giving heavy mobility

[empty scroll]

Enables heavy to do even more tank + dmg

[fickle radish]

I should follow the same path of nerfs they did on the last patch. Like they nerfed the ability to ohk lights and it was a good thing. Now they only have to nerf a bit the dmg output of the heavy. I should leave shields like they are atm, just cause i still think that a light should almost never fight an heavy

[gilded eagle]

heals are pretty balanced imo, feels alright to use but also isnt unplayable to fight

[fickle radish]

The thing is that devs need to find a way to make light viable, and atm it's not viable cause so many things, and not being able to fight a heavy is the last reason why light is useless atm. Looks like it's not well designed, maybe improving utility for the team and making him more able to dodge bullets would be cool like idk giving him the grapple as a default thing without being an ability and adding more utility stuff like stunt mines ecc. You know, adding stuff that makes light useful for the team and not just a little guy dealing a lot of damage randomly once in a while

[tacit nacelle]

yeahh the heals are to make up for an entire person so

[tacit nacelle]

they need to make light better at what they do

[fickle radish]

And more useful, it's not all about improving what they do, but also adding stuff that they can do

[gilded eagle]

the issue is really cracked players are gods with light, but the average person solo q saw one dude do good with it and they convince themselves they are that good too lol

[fickle radish]

Man how tf did you get qualified role in 3 days (just curious)

[fickle radish]

But even cracked players can't really carry with a light. I mean, on ranked picking up a light is almost always a throw even if you are good. Even if you manage to win you would had more possibilities if you picked up a medium or a heavy or at least it would have been easier

[tacit nacelle]

i yap a lot

literally never stfu
just ask jfc
he claims im here more than i play and he might be right

[fickle radish]

Fair enough

[gilded eagle]

true but i think they playstyle can be effective and maybe even more-so to have one of each class, but yeah very difficult to pull off

[tacit nacelle]

i also have 2 and a half days in the game and i started playing a week ago tho

i do everything at 100% tehe

[fickle radish]

Yeah it can, but atm there are way better comps and picking light is not work. I mean it's not viable has playing other comps

[gilded eagle]

true

[gilded eagle]

[half void]

Only let one thing stick to a throwable. One gas mine, one breach charge, ONE C4 STICK

[left plank]

Glitch grenades should destroy mines, not just disable them temporarily

[gilded eagle]

[near shard]

Quick question: If you buy a skin for a gadget/Weapon that is also avaliable on a different weapon/gadget can you equip it to both or just the thing you bought it on?

[spiral pilot]

the v95 pistol is actually the v9s

[tame knot]

I don't really understand your question. If you buy skin for AKM you can only use it on AKM. If you buy charms or stickers you can use it on everything.

[near shard]

For example galaxy grid. It's avaliable on the sonar grenade and also on the riot shield. Both have slightly different costs so I imagine it's cost per gadget/weapon

@tame knot

[gentle valve]

use what you like

[maiden epoch]

Make the goo gun a gadget please

[near valve]

no

[spring sierra]

you arent a real player are you?

cloak and db?

[rich pawn]

[empty scroll]

Yo people in this game is dogshit

Like, the players in comp is just mental

Not even playing the game at all

[strong condor]

I feel like if the game is going to lock your load out for ranked, the AG turret shouldn't destroy the heavy mgl shots. As it is if you run it you get removed from the game by a single medium from any team

[stable igloo]

I actually find it weird the game has a reserve slot at all if it's going to lock a loadout.

[keen raven]

is the breach charge a viable ranged wepon for meele lights or is the range too small cuz the cooldown on it makes it really nice

[stable igloo]

It's a throwable with a relatively long arm time. If by ranged weapon you mean stick it on a plant and throw it then blow it up, it's decent. Otherwise it's a tool to plan around and not a ranged weapon.

[gilded eagle]

[frosty thorn]

is mhh or mmh the better team?

[twilit mulch]

Is there ever going to be new guns?

[reef loom]

onehit defi

[ebon pagoda]

-r

[maiden field]

They should add a health grenade, maybe for light class since the have such low HP

[limber gull]

Jetpacks for heavies. They are a target in mid-air but gives them some verticality

I agree with health grenades for lights , gives them a little chance to heal

[gilded eagle]

jetpacks?

[limber gull]

yep yep, would be fun and not overpowered , heavy would be an easy target in the air but would give them some vertical movement, can be paired with ground pound

[signal niche]

Throw incendiary grenades or barrels on cashouts to prevent last minute steals.

[rich zealot]

NERF INVIS

[gentle grove]

What’s the best gadgets on light?

[pallid acorn]

invis

[gentle grove]

The items, I don’t know what they’re called

[midnight oak]

Why do people say nerf invis, it is not that bad when you know how to play against it

[pallid acorn]

frl easy

[young epoch]

never stop typing

[gentle grove]

Speaking of invis, I had a game, I was being chased by a medi, and a heavy, and I ran around a corner and invis’d and stood still on a wall. They walked right past. I have never laughed harder at a video game

[midnight oak]

I much prefer playing against invis than against dash or grapple

[gentle grove]

Why?

I feel like dash is pretty easy to counter, I can see grapple though

[midnight oak]

With dash it’s so easy to escape from an encounter with a team when you’re alone

And the cooldown is very short

[lunar carbon]

Does the Light's motion sensor work through walls?

[patent venture]

they're called gadgets other guy just misunderstood 👍

oop that was 30 mins ago mb

[patent venture]

yeah dash is crazy, also allows you to close distance crazy fast, opening up plays with shotguns (or melle if your a psycho like I)

[midnight oak]

Yeah it’s so scary

[drowsy ferry]

Invis and dash are easily the best, grapple seems decent for mobility but nothing else

[midnight oak]

I agree

[patent venture]

grapple is bad because of the verticality dash allows, I mean sure it can attatch to throwables but thats pretty niche, I think it needs 2 charges, maybe with a slightly longer cooldown

just like an extra 5-8 seconds

[midnight oak]

That’s actually a pretty good idea

[drowsy ferry]

I'm sure if you're really good with the tech, it can work (like how pathfinder worked in apex)

[patent venture]

im no gamedev though

[patent venture]

Ty

[drowsy ferry]

The problem with that o think is you can clear basically the whole map with it if it had two charges

But maybe a straight up cool down reduction would be good?

[patent venture]

yeah you could probably get far too much momentum with 2

[drowsy ferry]

Or if you could grapple players

[midnight oak]

Maybe they could maybe make it so you can attach to players and make crazy plays with that but idk maybe it would be too strong

[patent venture]

yeah maybe if it like, slowed and pulled them to you? problem with light is even if you get a kill you just get beamed by their team, maybe this could isolate fights better

[midnight oak]

Oh wow ik was just typing that

[drowsy ferry]

Great minds think alike

Yeah I mean the nature of the game is that there will always be the subpar weapons/gadgets so

[patent venture]

yeah, still i'd like the others to atleast be contending with cloak

i think dash can come close, especially with the m11 buffs in mind

[drowsy ferry]

I think at the moment cloak is strong in quickplay, but with the tourney meta of two mediums, one with sonar and a heavy it's just hard countered

[midnight oak]

Yeah true

[drowsy ferry]

I play a lot of sonar medium and cloaked lights are literally free kills every fight

[midnight oak]

Me and my friend always play with two mediums and one heavy so that’s also why I don’t have a problem with invis

[restive patio]

MMH is solid team comp

[drowsy ferry]

That being said, can be extremely annoying, but I think dash in general is a bit harder to counter

[midnight oak]

And when playing with friend you have callouts where they are

[drowsy ferry]

Exactly

[midnight oak]

So I understand that when playing with randoms invis can be annoying

[drowsy ferry]

Yeah it's a pub stomp ability fs

I think lights in general are

[midnight oak]

Lol

[drowsy ferry]

Controversial but +50 HP for lights?

[midnight oak]

Nah they do to much damage for that

Then medium would only be for the support and nothing else

[patent venture]

yeah, but cloaks still the best i feel, doesn't come close to h or m but still for light its the best

[drowsy ferry]

Yeah true I just don't know what they would do with lights other than nerf the fuck out of everything else

[patent venture]

yeah, i think they needa find a way to buff light though, i dont want other things getting lowered damage

[drowsy ferry]

It's a weird one, because it works really well on people who aren't used to it, but people who are, can easily counter it

The game is still very new so I feel like people will just get better and better at dealing with cloak

[patent venture]

yeah but i think a good player, who is patient can just get so much out of it

[drowsy ferry]

Not wrong

[patent venture]

and on top of that vanish bomb extends its duration so someone who knows how to manage it will have practically infinite cloak

then you just punish anyone away from the team with a stun gun and smg mag to the face

[grand ledge]

https://imgur.com/a/XDQW4F7

glitched barricade is glitched

[muted meadow]

Buff the model 18 to one shot lights or atleast give it a head shot multiplier

[fickle radish]

^^

[spiral pilot]

Give light 5% more movespeed, give light a slightly faster movespeed when ads, let glitch grenades explode on impact, give the invisible bomb the ability to stay invisible in gas, add 1 second longer duration on flashbangs, make motion sensor better, make melee weapons better to a point where they need 1 hit less against mediums. Make the weapons overall better by adding 10% more magazine size to all weapons. Leave hp at 150 because I think that’s good

[patent venture]

all that and they'd be op

[spiral pilot]

No

[patent venture]

eh that or it wouldnt make a difference

dont need more movespeed tbh

[spiral pilot]

It would for sure make a difference but a heavy or medium player have the same fight back ability

[spiral pilot]

It’s just slightly not that crazy much but when playing melee with 150 health it’s a little help

Light should stay that squishy but needs to be slippery

[patent venture]

nah i play sword dash honestly its comparable to m11

[patent venture]

they can go invisible or dash at the speedalight

[spiral pilot]

I main light with 200 hours but they are rarely seen in high ranked and need a slight buff without making them op

[hallow leaf]

If light got all that then they need invisibility removed

[spiral pilot]

Lmao removed. I don’t mind if they rebalance invisible and help out the other abilities a bit

[hallow leaf]

I feel like the bomb would be fine but the ability would need to go

Replace it with more utility to actually be a team player

[drowsy ferry]

just make invis regenerate less quickly surely

[near shard]

Lights just need faster health regen and slightly more movement speed imo. Pairs well with the harassment tactics

[obtuse tide]

need people to unlock ranked with

[restive patio]

Night all

[ancient plume]

who would like a 3 round burst rifle maybe a m16 or famas style rifle for medium build? 🙋‍♂️🙋‍♂️

[tulip hollow]

Sounds cool and nothing in the game is like it so it'd fit in

[spiral pilot]

I would take a 1200 rpm Famas

[sinful plaza]

Lights just want to be op and have the tools wipe teams on their own instead of actually having shortcomings and playing with the team

[final basin]

I like lights they go down easy

[silver yacht]

ppl that use fire barrel + c4 should be ejected from this world

[severe jewel]

c4 should have 1 charge and at least 30 sec cooldown

[midnight oak]

Nah u crazy

[fossil grove]

jokes on you, i use c4, explosive mine, pyro mine, and fire barrel

[jaunty cave]

that’s why you’re the supreme leader 🙇‍♂️

[fossil grove]

exactly

[silver yacht]

cringe

[sleek nova]

What to do with points when i have unlocked everything ?

[tidal hollow]

Contemplate the meaning of life

[distant sedge]

hang

[stable igloo]

Keep it at 3k to insta-buy new things

[distant sedge]

boring

[umbral coral]

that gun should one shot anyone on a head shot and probably one shot lights on a body shot. I make a similar argument for the cl-40. it needs a direct hit "projectile damage" along with its explosion. Both these weapons are harder to hit with than others and should be rewarded for it.

Wait....wait... i got confused in my head and mixed up the 1887 witht he sniper lol. but still it should one shot lights for body shot and have a strong modifier for head shots. I know its not a "sawed off" but its still a shotgun.

[tidal hollow]

Med shotty has a lot more ranger though

[lilac latch]

WHAT IS sCHINKEN

AHHHHHHHHHHH

[lilac latch]

I’m going to sHKIN myself

[lilac latch]

It’s bad for your health max

[tidal hollow]

-r

[gilded eagle]

-r

[keen panther]

AmariBot, despite appearances, is not a gadget!

[lilac latch]

-r

[fickle radish]

guys there is a whole fking challenge for the bot #🏆┇rank-check

[lilac moss]

-r

[keen panther]

how does weapon/gadget xp work? i know it has something to do with 'being used' because it says so. do i want to spam as fast as I can? use my jumppad a dozen times?

i need more colors!

[sleek nova]

-r

[tame knot]

There's no information about that sadly 😦 I tried jumping 100 times in one game on jumpad but I didn't gain much xp

[tidal hollow]

For things like gas grenade do damage, for things like breach and C4 do damage or destroy stuff, for stuff like sonar scan people and for stuff like zips or jumppads just place them

Seems to be how it works as far as I've seen

[keen panther]

good research, thanks for sharing team!

[ashen fiber]

I think the Stun-gun, the RPG, and the Defib should each have a viable, mutually exclusive, alternative. For example, an "Autofib" that you attach to a teammate that then automatically revives them 10 seconds after they die. Medium players would have to choose between the Defib or the Autofib. They can't equip both.

[tidal hollow]

The fuck

I don't wanna see Light players zooming around reving people

[ashen fiber]

Huh? Medium is the one with the Defib. I even said that

[tidal hollow]

Didn't you say that light and heavy should get an alternative defib

[ashen fiber]

No, medium should get an alternative Defib with different pros and cons. They would NOT be able to equip both types of Defib

The example was of what an alternative Defib would do

The stun gun and the RPG should hav similar alternatives.

[tidal hollow]

Mb then

[dry ledge]

-r

[tame knot]

Guys what do you think about turrets HP? For me they are too tanky.

[keen panther]

yeah they are pretty thicc

[subtle igloo]

too tanky but they should also get reduced setup time with less health, or higher damage and less health

[covert lynx]

-r

[terse raptor]

-r

[obsidian locust]

-r

[restive plover]

-r

[lost plinth]

-r

[terse raptor]

-r

[ripe zodiac]

The Vault found its way under the map so first team won by default for merely existing lol

[topaz glade]

-r

[olive galleon]

-r

[tawdry acorn]

-r

[clear slate]

What's the best way to get xp or whatever that u need for weapons?

[vapid inlet]

THEY NEED TO FUCKING NERF THE SHITTY FUCKING STUN GUN STUN TIME JESUS CHRIST

I LUV GETTING STUNNED AND UNABLE TO DO ANYTHING FOR 3 SECONDS

GREAT GAME DESIGN FOR A FIRST PERSON SHOOTER. VERY SMART DEVELOPERS 👍

[stable igloo]

Good news! Its 6 seconds not 3, even better!

[upbeat slate]

-r

[woeful ledge]

Shut the fuck up heavy

[gilded eagle]

[frail salmon]

Should I buy the SHI900 or the XP-94?

[eternal wigeon]

There's a bug in the selector for skins that can be unlocked by repeatedly using a weapon. You can select all the skins at once, but only the last one clicked will be displayed, and it's impossible to change it afterwards 😛

[placid spoke]

-r

[steel loom]

Stun gun isnt busted, but its so unfun to play against especially with cloak
I personally think there should be something similar to spy tf2 where theres a delay between uncloak and action

[shell schooner]

The game seems super balanced on all fronts imo - everything has a counter - which is what reserved is for. The gaming mentality of cater to me instead of learning to play differently needs to change.

[restive plover]

-r

[restive plover]

-r

[frosty quiver]

can light get a poison dart similar to tracking dart on medium?

[tame knot]

-r

[crystal ermine]

-r

[cyan prism]

Uwu

[river torrent]

What do think a stun gun is going to do?! Lmao, imagine you get shot with a taser irl would you be able to function and do anything? Just get better

[river torrent]

Fully agree

I have not once got into a fight where I felt that something was too op or strong. I die either to a mistake I made or getting out played. The game is balanced just all the people complaining it isn’t havent played enough yet

One of my favorite load outs are | Light class, grapple, with the sniper, frag grenades, stun gun, and and the vanishing bomb thing. I very powerful load out if played correctly. The light class mixed with the power to stop my enemy from say taking the cash out by just stunning them, popping my invis and then running and if they don’t kill me and try to steal it again I come back in quickly and kill them with my sniper witch does a lot of a damage and can kill anyone in seconds.

Or just kamikaze with my frag grenades

[shell schooner]

sounds toxic af and I love it haha

yeah usually when I die its a mistake I made by being out of position - dont find things to be op

[river thistle]

I have a question

Is the model 1887 shotgun good or nah im thinking about buying it

[river torrent]

Imo the sniper is one of the or the best gun in the game. Yes yes I know I might get hate for saying that but listen.

SR-84 vs lights
Honestly if I see more than like 3 lights while loading in the game I know I’m winning. The SR one shots lights with one shot to the head and basically makes them one shot to any other gun after a single body shot, that also applies to hitting them with your melee and they are dead. It makes for some really easy kills if you understand how to no scope.

SR-84 vs Mediums
Since medium players have more health, you need to hit that head. If not 2 shots to the body and a single melee kills then. So if your hood (like me) a single head shot and body shot kills them quickly and swiftly leaving them confused af how they just died.

SR-84 vs heavy’s
I hate Heavy’s but they are ways to counter play them as a lights. 1 keep your distance 2 use your stun gun cause it slows them down and let’s you get a nice head shot. 3 if both fail, run for your life lmao. But heavys have the most health so it’s gonna take 3 headshots to kill them or just 2 headshots and a body shot. And I think it takes like 4-5 body shots to kill them regularly. But use that stun gun cause your gonna need to hit some heads lol

[river torrent]

It’s what I’m known for

[keen tendon]

I think the revolver could use a slight buff. Maybe slight increase to reload. Or accuracy as I find it missing alot even when shooting at turrets. I see some people talk about it having issues with hit registration too.

[keen raven]

i see the solution..... bring 3 sniper rifles

[river torrent]

Bro… I fought a team that did that once. I’m still scared to this day

[keen raven]

tf2 ptsd kicks in

[river torrent]

Dude imagine your a heavy and 3 lights pull up and just light the tf up in second with no time to react

[keen raven]

now i gotta try it and sniper comes with light theres no excuses not to

[upbeat skiff]

-r

[upbeat skiff]

-r

[upbeat skiff]

-r

[crude lagoon]

-r

[ashen fiber]

#🏆┇rank-check

[hushed leaf]

I'm not playing again until you nerf the stun gun and the silenced pistol. Game is unplayable with this meta

[atomic stump]

-r

[hallow leaf]

Stun gun shouldn't stop you from using gadgets or adsing

[maiden trellis]

It would literally be useless then

[lofty jungle]

Pistol is very much not meta anymore, but I agree that the stun gun needs work

it really didn’t need two consecutive buffs

[static lion]

Anyone else feel like the jump pad should be able to be thrown instead if placed? Would make for helping teamates get out of bad situations better

[hallow leaf]

good

[tame knot]

YES!

[terse storm]

PLEASE REMOVE THE BACKSTAB LUNGE I BEG OF YOU

[grim stirrup]

-r

[last gust]

this is not an airport, you do not need to announce your departure

[tame knot]

Does the FCAR have bigger damage than AKM? In statistics it says that it doesn't have bigger damage but I don't belive it

[gentle pebble]

higher burst dps but much less ammo + reload animation means overall lower dps in extended fights

[tame knot]

Every melee weapon has aim assist 😦

[terse storm]

I know but none of them as strong as the dagger backstab and it's annoying as hell

[river torrent]

Bro not a single one of you know what a counter is?

Like bruh

[lofty jungle]

how are you supposed to counter the stun gun

once you get hit, you’re completely immobile, defenseless, and can’t do much damage if the light is farther away or your gun doesn’t have good hipfire

[terse storm]

shoot them

[river torrent]

The stun gun is not that powerful, if it was everyone and their mother would be running it. The stun gun doesn’t need any work and is completely fine as is, honestly nothing needs to be fixed. And there is no “meta” honestly y’all are some kids coming from cod and others games with “meta” shit. This game can be played in thousands of different ways and have so many ways that can be really powerful but everything has a fucking counter if you want to counter the stun gun, stay with your fucking team. Half the time I can’t use my stun because I fight teams with really good teamwork so my stun becomes useless cause it can’t hit multiple people. God just play that game like how it is and stop bitching about a thing you can counter

[lofty jungle]

“staying with your team” doesn’t do much when they melt you in half a second with an smg then cloak and run away

[river torrent]

Dead ass the easiest way to counter it

[river torrent]

Welcome to strategy my friend

[lofty jungle]

you can’t just shoot them when they’re outside of effective hipfire range

[terse storm]

Heavy can one-shot light with half their arsenal you'll be fine

and it's pretty easy to duel lights on medium in most cases

[river torrent]

As a medium you can place mines, protect yourself, use your gadgets to counter other fucking gadgets it’s that fucking simple

[lofty jungle]

you can’t use gadgets if you get stunned

[terse storm]

Place them beforehand

[river torrent]

^^

[night pumice]

you've gotta anticipate

[lofty jungle]

and stay by them the whole match?

[river torrent]

This guy dude

[terse storm]

you can place multiple mines😭

[lofty jungle]

but you can’t place any if you get stunned

so how are they supposed to help?

[river torrent]

Just get good at the game and come back with a valid argument cause all I hear is bitching

[lofty jungle]

ah yes, the classic “get gud” argument

[terse storm]

It's like you see the path that we're trying to go down and then you just make a 90 degree turn away from it into something dumb😭

[river torrent]

One of the best

[lofty jungle]

what

[terse storm]

PLACE MINES AROUND YOU WHEN YOU CAN

[river torrent]

^^^^^

[lofty jungle]

…but you can’t if you get stunned. I still don’t get what point you’re trying to make with mines

[terse storm]

YOU CAN'T GET STUNNED IF THEY HIT THE MINE

[river torrent]

As someone that uses and gets used by the stun gun, if not only won fights in both scenarios but have been able to predict and counter everything you have said so far

[lofty jungle]

…but if they just pop out of nowhere while you’re on the move, there aren’t any mines around you

[river torrent]

This is the type of teammate you get put with when solo queuing and has no clue how to play as 1 a team and 2 no clue how to actually play the game.

[lofty jungle]

I’m not really talking about a defense situation, where yes, mines would be a good counter

[river torrent]

Bruh

[lofty jungle]

do you have any actual arguments that aren’t ad hominems

[terse storm]

Why are you out in the open on the move on your own as a medium😭

[river torrent]

Bro just argued about there not being able to counter then says you can counter them

Your a very special princess

[river torrent]

Cause he loves feeding other teams kills obviously

[lofty jungle]

how are teammates supposed to help though when you get melted faster than you can react

and then they just cloak and run away

[river torrent]

Have you ever heard of something called trading?

Cause I doubt you have

[river torrent]

Stay tf together?!

Fight as a team?!

[lofty jungle]

I literally just said staying together doesn’t always help

anyway I’m out, maybe I do just suck but from my personal experience there’s no direct counter to it

[sturdy meadow]

whats the best strategy for riot shield that doesn't involve not using riot shield

[dreamy gate]

prayer

[buoyant estuary]

Best gun in game go!

[lofty jungle]

goo gun

[buoyant estuary]

best dmg gunnnnn

[lofty jungle]

goo gun

[buoyant estuary]

dude dont troll i am actually courious on whats killing me so hard!

[lofty jungle]

there isn’t a “best” gun, everyone is good with different ones

but then again, there is the goo gun

[buoyant estuary]

some auto type wep that everyone is using is just destroying me and i cant figure out what it is!

[lofty jungle]

AKM is quite popular

[buoyant estuary]

like 1 clip from across the map on a heavy dead!

less then that it feels like....

[lofty jungle]

probably the mp5 then, it has crazy low ttk

[buoyant estuary]

oh i didnt say the light guys lol

whats the goo gun gonna do?

[lofty jungle]

goo

[sturdy meadow]

i think there is objectively best weapons but they have a higher skill ceiling that makes other weapons more balanced on paper

like i think the m60 is objectively better than the lewis if you are able to perfectly deal with its recoil pattern and fire it consistently

[buoyant estuary]

ew having to work hard to play a game 100% best recoil......lol idk im a little on the grass at the moment LOL woot

[river torrent]

Sr-84 by far

[buoyant estuary]

na the other one thing with no thing is better

[river torrent]

The sr is a gun you have to master ngl

[faint smelt]

When they gonna fix the revolver back to CB1 days

[devout moat]

When it says that the aps turret shoots projectiles, what do they mean because they sure as hell don't shoot bullets?

[keen panther]

it destroys things like grenades that fly through its range, prevents mines from being deployed

you can attach it to a throwable and use it as a minefield disarming tool, which is fun

[devout moat]

Oh that's honestly interesting, I see now why people slap it next to there turret so they don't get blown up 🤔

[keen panther]

im unsure if it works against weapon-grenades like the RGL. i should test it out next time i play heavy

[terse storm]

It does

[keen panther]

spooky scary

[terse storm]

RPG Rockets and Grenade Launcher bullets are also affected, literally anything that could count as a projectile is affected, even throwing mines and breach charges

[devout moat]

That's so op then, a literal gadget that would completely render a players weapon useless is nuts 😂

[terse storm]

The radius is pretty small so it typically doesn't get in the way unless they were using the weapon to hold a cashout

[devout moat]

True, but still good to know thank u guys, one more thing tho if I buy the explosive mine do I get it for both the medium and heavy or just on one?

[patent venture]

rocket grenade lights?

or is that the nade laauncher hol u

[devout moat]

Both grenade launchers im assuming, from medium and heavy

[keen panther]

oh man that the different characters have different throw strengths is a nightmare for my poor little brain

[tranquil nimbus]

Am I the only one who wants grenade launchers nerfed 😭

[restive patio]

Yes, but no, its just annoying when someone is using it, but overall I think they're at a larger disadvantage in most cases.

[trim spade]

Access to the V9S and R.357 should be swapped respectively between Light and Medium classes. The revolver would be far more practical as a high skill accuracy weapon, because currently the V9S only functions as a slightly more controllable, less useful M11

[vital wind]

-r

[patent ember]

-r

[real moth]

-r

[honest merlin]

whos goo gun is blocking my mvp screen ?

clip : https://clips.twitch.tv/SmoothFitNikudonStrawBeary-RY5A3bPIu2xNQeFw

[keen panther]

amazing. i wonder if i can get a corpse in a win screen

[tame warren]

PLEASE MAKE NVIDIA MX150 PLAYABLEEEE PLEASEEEEE

[restive patio]

Favourite gadgets?

[quiet rampart]

Dome shield needs a buff 💀🤣

[unique gazelle]

-r

[brave knoll]

remove sniper or reduce damage. It's easy to kill out of the fight with 1/2 hits... Doesn't reward skill

[sinful plaza]

Jesus that is an ancient gpu that will no way run lol

[formal inlet]

probably they're both really terrible

[stable igloo]

medium's is alright. But they both get entirely shut down by an APS. to the extent that you're deadweight if your team doesn't deal with it and the enemy plays around it.

[junior python]

guys what’s better gadgets for medium ?

[surreal quest]

i like the tracking dart because it helps find running players after you hit them, aswell as the jump pad to get places quicker(such as buildings) and the 3rd i would probably go with some sort of grenade like goo or stun

[junior python]

not fast revive ?

[agile badger]

not running defib makes you a liability

[surreal quest]

that is a good one, but if you utilize your jump pad and dart correctly you can outsmart your opponent and get the regular revive off regardless

[junior python]

okay i see

[surreal quest]

i haven’t played with medium too much, but when i dropped my first 20 piece it was with those gadgets 😂

[junior python]

bcs rn i have frag grenade, toxic mine and defib

[timber marten]

light is so much fun

[surreal quest]

also please don’t wear santa hat 🤦🏼‍♂️ it makes you seem like a bot because everyone has it 😂

[surreal quest]

EXACTLY

[junior python]

no it’s okay i have golden masked guy

[surreal quest]

bro how did you buy things?

[junior python]

just bought it

[surreal quest]

i keep getting purchase error like and it still takes my money

[junior python]

idk you should talk to a moderator

[surreal quest]

and i don’t get the multibucks it makes no sense, i tried they didn’t respond 😂

everyone said to restart game, i’ve done that and restarted console and still didn’t get them

[junior python]

stop purchase… idk what to tell you 😅

[junior python]

too weak imo

[surreal quest]

yes the health is very low, but the smg shreds, and the gadgets are crucial

if you stun then grapple after getting some damage your opponent will be lost 😂

[junior python]

but wellplayed it’s cheat that’s real

[surreal quest]

i first started as a medium main, but now i’m a light main because how good the movement is

[junior python]

are you on mouse and keyboard ?

[surreal quest]

especially because you can rig the cash out with your tracking thing and a breach charge so when somebody tries to steal you blow up then stun and kill 😂

[surreal quest]

i’m on controller lol, i have elite controller so i use the paddles 😂

[junior python]

you are my hell lol

[surreal quest]

why 😂

[maiden shuttle]

yo double barrel with cloak is crazy

[distant furnace]

its ok, not that crazy

[civic saddle]

FIX UR DAMN GAME FUCKING HACKERS

[finite viper]

havent ran into 1

[rugged ravine]

Can gas be updated, so it stays in the room instead of going through walls .

[hollow quartz]

Typically what happens is the double barrel invis will get a freekill but that gets insta res’d by the other medium and the recon senses medium guns the light as he runs away and its a 3v2

[fading tiger]

guys the tracking dart needs some serious nerfs

and i think it's obvious why

[limber grove]

chocolate coin,

chocolate coin,

[random grove]

yummy

[limber grove]

more coins

more coins

egg

egg

[maiden shuttle]

what should i use for light

[spring ginkgo]

🥚

[spring ginkgo]

Sword

[maiden shuttle]

really

[limber grove]

egg

egg

egg

eggs and coins?

[spring ginkgo]

No

Look at meta builds

[limber grove]

some meta builds are not good for new players tho'

[signal roost]

does anyone know all of the different animation for every weapons in game?

[limber grove]

battle pass has them all

[restive patio]

Meta builds plague ranked

[signal roost]

That's true, but think about the Model 1889 from Medium weapon

[limber grove]

oh yeah mb

[red spruce]

Just go with what you’re comfortable with, glitch nade is a must, others are optional

[restive patio]

Yeah glitch is too good

[terse storm]

BE SO FR RN

[ashen violet]

tracking dart

[narrow badger]

Anyone know if they are considering making the weapon charms larger?
I just spend 20 bucks basically just to get the kill counter charm cause i thought it would be kinda neat since i just started playing the game and thought it would be fun to see my (almost) total kill count through my time playing the game
my issue is that it's way too small to see the number on it unless i'm (depending on the weapon) standing still or just walking which isn't all that effective as well as it making it impossible to use as a brag since i'm not just gonna stand still when my team is dead so they can see my kill count
the small size makes it "useless" as a bragging item. makes me feel like i'm getting nothing for my cash since i'm not using any of the other items in the skin pack.

PS. It's not visible on the dagger at all

[willow onyx]

What is the best medium defence gadget?

[sick garnet]

Goo nade

[robust berry]

Me

I am the one hiding in the shadows waiting to backstab you

[proud parcel]

At this point I think melee just needs to be removed from the game. They're at best annoying in group fights and at worst a complete fucking throw pick that guarantees you a loss.

[wet patrol]

hu9huhu]

[opaque moth]

There should be a stem for light characters do to the fact if you win a fight you are basically dead

[wicked badge]

any good uses for the grenade? Havent really found some good uses for it

[empty inlet]

As a Sledge heavy, they're good as a "ranged" weapon to have some damage at range to help in a team fight until you can get into melee range or cover.
As a medium they're okay for cashout defense, (similar to heavy C4 you can explode from out of sight around the corner via bouncing it)

[quick surge]

Grapple + Stun Gun + XP-54 🤤

[haughty juniper]

Can you see it w/ inspect? there's a hotkey for that, so if that works for you feel like that solves the issue? IMO weapon charms and stickers are fine in terms of size/proportion. Too big and they're just kinda dumb.

[runic falcon]

chocolate coin,

[wary adder]

buff cloak actually make it so it lasts the entire match

[patent venture]

why can people see me in it???? should be full invisibility, match long and nothing aside from my choice uncloacks me wtf is this lol

[mental light]

make the tracking dart one shot head

[daring fog]

It pisses me off when I immobilise a heavy with my tazer or 1 tap a light with my shotty (that needs a buff btw) that I become momentarily visible for 0.3 seconds. Devs, please fix.

[fallow oak]

I wonder if they'll do something about the people running around with C4 and Explosive or Gas Barrel ready to just toss and blow up.

[patent venture]

real

[hasty plinth]

Plus if you uncloak it should actually be a decoy 10 to your right

[patent venture]

exactly

[languid vigil]

They patched ziplines on barrels but not explosives on barrels so highly doubt it

[fallow oak]

Lol that shit just ruins ranked tbh

Zero gunplay- zero skill lol

[patent venture]

it was in the game trailer its intened istg

[floral portal]

Hey does anyone know if they will be adding any new guns down the track?

[young bridge]

(wait till this guy finds out gas mines work too)

explosive barrels with gas mines is my new favorite thing to do

[solar quiver]

Turrets need to be nerfed

[civic trellis]

bro how do u send vids

[dawn linden]

RPG needs to be full auto, how did the devs mess this up?

[half void]

We need to buff all melee weapons by giving a movement speed boost

[cloud oar]

Agreed

[patent venture]

real

[cloud oar]

Also heavy and mediums need more weapons, maybe like a quad small caliber rocket launcher for the heavy. More like a slug shotty for medium.

[blissful mural]

Buff sniper to one shot mediums and make the game perfect

[white kettle]

lol

[patent venture]

n a h

[languid vigil]

I think light should have an explosive weapon seeing how the other 2 classes do, make it a melee, the lunge mine

[misty wind]

SOUTH KOREA NOT A FLEX LIL PUP

[patent venture]

i think light has no crowd control for a reason

[languid vigil]

Thats too bad, i want to see the world burn and i think a lunge mine would do mighty swell for that reason

[patent venture]

lmao

[languid vigil]

There is an absolute reason i only run the dagger. Pyro grenade and taser....

[tame knot]

Stun Gun nerf proposition.
Stun from 4s - 3s.
While being stunned you can ADS and crouch.

[languid vigil]

Or.... just dont get stunned

If your with your team like you should be a tazer wont be detrimental to you

[viscid urchin]

i think you are still very likely to be finished off with a stun shotgun combo whether youre teamed up or not

[cinder prairie]

no clue if this has been recommended but i think a cool way to buff light would be make the motion sensor activate allies gadgets nearby when it goes off

[viscid urchin]

what they should do is make it so you are forced to turn off invis before you can use any weapons or gadgets

[cinder prairie]

the main idea would be having like a gas or glitch mine go off when someone came close to it

[viscid urchin]

id upvote this, but only within the sensors radius

[cinder prairie]

agreed, or maybe even smaller but i'm not super familiar on the range on motion sensor

[tame knot]

That is a really cool idea

[viscid urchin]

its enough to cover the hallways distance along the stairs base and end

[patent venture]

how does vanish bomb work then?

[viscid urchin]

not even my idea, tf2 already does this and for extremely good reason, vanishing bomb can just be manually turned off by trying to activate any weapon or gadget

[patent venture]

this is horrible lmao

[viscid urchin]

would you prefer pressing q?

i wouldnt mind pressing m1 to just disable an active ability

[patent venture]

i think we keep it as is, lights bad enough right now

[viscid urchin]

lights just weak, and it was built around this fact, being able to adapt to this by knowing how to use your utility to ambush or escape is how you are intended to play

invis is an easy no-brainer of pressing a button as a get out of jail free card, i would rather that you stayed invis if you got shot, but have to disable invis to shoot back, over what it is currently

[tame knot]

That would require more "skill" or we can just call this "faster fingers". That would be enough for now I guess

[viscid urchin]

knowing when to disable your ability makes you think more yes, however im not saying that it needs to take over an exaggerated 5 seconds to disable, that is a sweetspot the devs need to find with the community

[tame knot]

I don't like when games are noob friendly

[viscid urchin]

if i were to rebalance the stun gun, i would literally just make it so the duration changes with distance, closer = longer

otherwise as it is it remains an easy way to close the distance between you and your target and get an easy shot

[tame knot]

What do you think about C4's on throwable objects?

[viscid urchin]

its fine, the recent nerf was well deserved and i dont believe it needs changing

[tame knot]

Hmmm

[wet locust]

It already turns off after you use a weapon or gadget

[viscid urchin]

it turns off the moment you use a weapon or gadget, and that is the problem

[wet locust]

That would defeat the whole purpose of getting the drop on someone

You go invisible pop your stun, or unload your clip and the moment you do your exposed, so be wise on where you decide to pop out

[viscid urchin]

thats the current playstyle yes

involving that the invis ability is LOUD and easy to hear with a stable diegetic atmosphere and is also easy to handle, however there are either no or extremely few diegetic environments within this game, allowing you to "get the drop" on people with extreme relative ease, and herein lies the problem that i am outlining

[river torrent]

That’s already a thing? Invis goes away after shooting or using any gadgets?

Reading this entire conversation above just shows how little y’all have played any light class

[river torrent]

B-bruh

[restive patio]

Sonar or Glitch

[river torrent]

That’s how it works in like several different games. And just because your crying about it cause you come from tf2? Bro if you like how it is so much in that game go play that game. This game has it this way. People like you try to push stuff into a whole game that needs to keep changing its basic features into nerfs and buffs. This game doesn’t need any of those.

[river torrent]

Breach charges on a explosive barrel, very fun strategy

[river torrent]

Finally Someone that has more than 2 brain cells

[tame knot]

I don't think breach charges can wipe whole team and deal 420 damage

[river torrent]

It’s on a explosive thingy

[tame knot]

I wonder how many pepole will leave this game because of that shit

[river torrent]

You can even see the breach charge logo where it says you got killed by

[river torrent]

It’s called a strategy? Bros butt hurt cause he got outplayed in a very smart way

I can even see the charges on the explosive tank, like bruh, go cry somewhere else before makes a shit statement

[tame knot]

You can call everything an a strategy lmao. This shit is OP af.
Again... I wonder how many pepole left and will leave because of this

[wet locust]

Who's yall? 😂

[restive patio]

People been doing that since day 1, adapt

[river torrent]

Op? You can actually have them kill themselves if you paying attention and just shoot it dumbass

[river torrent]

^^

[tame knot]

Okay now I understand you're just trolling pepole on this discord. You almost got me

[river torrent]

LMAOOOO

[restive patio]

Bruh, thats literally what you do to counter it hahahaha

[river torrent]

Bro hit me with the troll come back

[terse vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/sweating-nervous-wreck-gif-24688521

[tame knot]

Oh... if you're not trolling then I'm extremely sorry. Keep playing the game and maybe you will understand one day

[restive patio]

Bro says he hates games that are noob friendly then goes and makes comments like this, ironically he's in the statistic of people it aint friendly for 🤡

[languid vigil]

Thats a bit generous, 1.5 brainvells max

[river torrent]

Match my 350 hours already and actually come back with a valid point my guy

[river torrent]

Naaaa you’ve at least 1.8

[fallow oak]

Lmfao ohh I know. It’s just kinda lame tbh. Again, zero skill. Lol

[river torrent]

Broooo when can I post fucking videos

[restive patio]

Level 3 i think

[patent venture]

no i think its 2 right

lemme check gimme a sec

[river torrent]

I’m already level 2 and can’t

[tame knot]

The game is out for 20 days - 480 hours. If you really didn't afk most of it and you're still not trolling then have a nice day

[viscid urchin]

lmao what did i just come back to

[wet locust]

A whole lotta yappin

[river torrent]

Lmaoooo, you know that game had a beta right? Or you just stupid?

[restive patio]

People complaining about any aspect of the game that counters their current strategies

[viscid urchin]

lmao this is so good

[void wing]

thats another 11 days, but the numbers are still waaayyy too high

[warm lion]

no it wasn't

[viscid urchin]

cant post an opinion online without people telling me to go back to rathole i came from

[warm lion]

the total of the betas is at least a month

[void wing]

according to wikipedia the beta was oct 26 - nov 5 (lol might help to actually open the article)

[river torrent]

^^

[warm lion]

that wasn't the only beta

[restive patio]

Opinions are fine, I think its when people project their opinion as some factual opinion of the majority.

[river torrent]

Plus I’ve daily the game since launch as well

[wet locust]

It's okay I see your point and I do think it's valid but I really think you should play alittle more as light and you'll see getting the drop and popping in and out of invis is suppppper easy todo

[warm lion]

official brand guide btw
third sentence means get good

[river torrent]

That whole paragraph goes fucking hard

I want it on a poster immediately

[warm lion]

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1JSitnSqeidY81nIOYzSJEeoFUa3_zc1T you can have the whole presentation and other stuff in here

[river torrent]

🙏 doing gods work

[restive patio]

It sure is, but in high tier ranked there's basically 0 lights being played, so overall their strategy doesnt work with people who have solid gamesense and stay in their teams pockets as most do.

[river torrent]

I agree with this

[wet locust]

Well that sounds more like a balancing issue needs to addressed

[viscid urchin]

light is my 50% of ~90 hours of playtime in the game, i see people do the exact same thing as i do and it has a mean delta of more likely to be winning games with the "correct" balance of medium and heavy with their own set of "apparently overpowered" problems and i cant have a mean opinion of a population?

[river torrent]

So why nurf a class that’s so not used in higher play and is only used for fun gameplay?

[restive patio]

Solid Team comps often dont have more than a single wall between their other team members.

yes it is a balancing issue, but that would negate the idea that lights are OP in anyway if they're avoided entirely in high tier play. Its purely an issue in low ranked while players are still learning the ropes. You need your team to stick with you.

[wet locust]

Isn't the meta in ranked to heavies and a medium and your pretty much un beatable with good communication?

[restive patio]

MMH or HMH or MMM

Personally I feel MMH covers a lot of situations

[warm lion]

you can bring more APS to counter glitches

[river torrent]

Honestly if you have 2 teammates that are really good at fighting teams by themselves in higher ranks they could have a 3rd as a light just doing a shit ton a dps damage and basically buying time for their team.

[wet locust]

Right so lights gotta have some rework done to make them valuable to ranked players, it's good to have metas, but when the meta becomes THE ONLY way to win and play then it becomes a slight issue

If that makes sense

[restive patio]

You can, but the trade off isnt great, They need a little adjusting , they're glass cannons and in a game where time is of the essence they need to be in the fight almost consistently

[river torrent]

Honestly I find the SR-84 one of the most heavy hitting guns in the game and can average 15k-17k combat score alone

[restive patio]

Completely agree, Its still early, who knows what will get shaken up in the coming weeks. Light definitely requires some tweaks, nothing major, but something to make it stand out but not exceed above the rest. Its just short of being a very OP class haha, its just a selfish class.

[warm lion]

they should just revert the glitch nade change smh

[river torrent]

Honestly seeing the amount of people searching for a “meta” in this game is just bad. This game has MILLIONS of different possibilities it can be played and if we shrink things and give other things more power it’s gonna throw this already decently balanced game. Honestly just give this game more time. The light class is just fine I promise. Just nobody has perfected it yet 👈

[warm lion]

tfw nobody is developing original strategies smh

[river torrent]

True

Honestly I could be just as powerful or even more powerful than a heavy just as a light. Use the game to your advantage. This ain’t no normal fps people.

This game is one of its kind.

[viscid urchin]

hard statement to make in current times

[river torrent]

I’ve put thousands and I mean over 10k+ hours in several other fps’s and I’ve never have had a game stop me in my track and think so far out the box than this game has done. The skill ceiling for this game is incredible High and I’m so hyped to see if this games makes it to pro play.

Honestly as it speaks, I have found like a slight inner child so happy about something in this game and it’s mainly because the SR-84, gives me those feeling of those quickscope battles on bo2. It is powerful but not op, and I think is one of the best guns in the game and needs no change. I find myself everyday that I play with that gun new ways I can use and abuse tf out it. And with it being on the light class I’m faster so being able to navigate as one of the fastest people in the map give me a massive advantage.

And i don’t say these things because I’m cocky and I wanna be right. I know that what I’m saying makes sense, and all it takes it time.

[viscid urchin]

lmao, way too good

[marble widget]

Yall should make the goo gun spray out go instead of having to tap it to make goo come out

[slate void]

yo tox are you a furry

the timer should stop whenever the vault is being stolen ngl

[warm lion]

no

[river torrent]

Ya home dog, you got an issue?

[placid ivy]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[river torrent]

Sr-84 is underrated af

[hard pewter]

Guys, do something about the heavy stuff it's too much

[patent venture]

agreed

[patent venture]

On it. Nerfing them right now!!!!

[tame knot]

I think that the Light shotgun is extremely useless. It only 2 tap everyone in the server. Buff it to 1 shot please

[candid sedge]

this bro really got the bo2 muscle memory fr

[candid sedge]

1 shot which class tho?

[tame knot]

Every

[candid sedge]

you want a shotgun on light that can do 350 damage with two shots

and with a. quick reload

💀

[spiral axle]

yea

[tame knot]

We already have a shotgun like that

360 damage with 1 bullet - that is what i want

[candid sedge]

? which one

[tame knot]

It should be buffed

[candid sedge]

no i mean what shotgun is already in the game that one shots heavies

[primal cloak]

i wish the scar had 30 rounds in the mag

[proud yarrow]

wild take, sh1900 with cloak is already very powerful

[primal cloak]

I wish the riot shield baton did a little more damage it feels kinda useless compared to the other classes

[wraith lava]

Please increase CL-40 magazine size

[primal cloak]

I agree

[restive patio]

Buff shotty

[craggy mist]

this whole chat

[frozen drum]

nah, gets to overpowered

[celest swift]

we need cloak nerfed BADLY

[warm lion]

no it doesn't

[jovial brook]

hi

[placid ivy]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[vocal grove]

hi

[native hatch]

please please fix the taser so you dont have to reload it once it's finished the cooldown. Add 1 or 2 seconds to compensate if you think it would make the taser stronger (it wont), but it's just such an annoying thing to track and serves no balancing purpose

[rancid vault]

The reloading thing is the same for rpg, just get over it

[stable igloo]

You just need to get into the habit of switching to it with its available to make sure it's loaded.

[native hatch]

ok so switch both??

[native hatch]

It adds no competitive advantage, it's just poor design to have to switch back to something without the intent of using it. I've obviously been doing that the last few dozen hours but it's i think it's clear that adding time to the CD is the superior design choice

[red spruce]

Everyone wants the ex way out, and a lot more complain about light class xD

[native hatch]

it has nothing to do with the class, the abilit(ies) could just be more fluid. Im genuinely shocked this isnt a universal desire to make the game flow better

[red spruce]

The game is made that way, either get used to it, or simply just don’t use it

[pseudo portal]

facts

[bold totem]

to "fix" it would be a direct buff to both gadgets - which absolutely do NOT need buffs. So would you accept this "fix" alongside some compensating nerfs?

[native hatch]

.

[bold totem]

they would have to do something different to nerf it rather than just add cooldown i think

[native hatch]

unfortunate your mind is closed to new ideas 😦

[bold totem]

like slower swap time or something

[rancid vault]

Womp womp

[red spruce]

The so call “new idea” that you’re saying is to make the game easier and make more ppl abusing those two gadgets, it’s already balanced as it is, it doesnt need any “fix” to it with all the complaints going around ever since the betas

[keen rock]

RPG as main weaon for heavy would be so freking fun

[candid sedge]

How do you equip skins for guns and stuff lmao

[red spruce]

Contestant. Click on the desire class and there should be a customize button below each weapon or gadgets

[proud parcel]

As if the taser isn't strong enough already. God forbid you need to keep track of a single reload. Light players are scum.

[tawny kestrel]

FAX

[tawdry swift]

buff riot shield?

i see no one using it in ranks

[gloomy jacinth]

Melee is mid af in ranked😭

[stray walrus]

How do I activate my breach charge. I can throw it but not male it explode

[misty mulch]

how do you get goo thats in a 3x3 square shape? I've only seen it a couple of times by people/in videos and it was shown off in one of the trailers I haven't seen anyone show off how to do it

[tame knot]

Yeah everyone is abusing throwable objects with C4's at the moment current "strategy" xd

• Lights with infinite stun guns

[civic compass]

throw it, wait a couple seconds and then right click

[candid sedge]

thank you

[candid sedge]

it’s pretty difficult to time correctly if they are at like med range

[terse storm]

are you serious right neow

[terse storm]

You're telling me this isn't a backstab chat?

[wooden oxide]

petition to give medium class a suit case nuke

[vocal lark]

in what universe it should be buffed

[weary moss]

Welcome to new dagger

[warped nest]

are there weapons or equipment that destroy turrets quickly?

[weary moss]

Sledge right click can in 1 hit

[static vale]

Is the motion sensor working for any of you guys?

[proper halo]

I have a dream that one day the MGL nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all guns are created equal.

I have a dream that one day on the red roofs of Monaco, the sons of former MGL users and the sons of former Lewis and shotty users will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood.

I have a dream that my four apprentices will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by their weapon of choice but by the content of their explosions. I have a dream today.

I have a dream that one day every building shall be destroyed, every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight, and the glory of the MGL shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together.

I have a dream

[agile badger]

[patent venture]

hook aint annoying lmao

[patent venture]

dash is just that but better lmao

[proud parcel]

are you serious?

[wide sonnet]

Slows movement, can’t aim in sights, can’t use gadgets, etc. very good lol

[terse storm]

Grenade launcher on medium

[proud parcel]

On top of what he said it also COMPLETELY invalidates melee as an option. And light players want it buffed lol

[granite goblet]

Ignore them stungun is just fine where it is honestly

[tawny robin]

Give medium a burst semi long range weapon

[wary flume]

fcar kinda works

if you burst it

[fierce pivot]

🍞

[red spruce]

maybe revert back to OB stun gun? so ppl would stop complaining about the current stun gun

[vague timber]

Stun gun would be okay if it didn't skull fuck you for a millennia, needs to be a shorter duration

[wary flume]

add a chargeup time to stungun

[red spruce]

its the same topic when ppl complain about heavy's shield and RPG, which all ppl who doenst play heavy goes against...and medium with defib and heal beam being too annoying and shit...it wont end...either adapt to it, or simply just ignore it...if youre bad and keep getting killed by certain class with certain weapon or gadget...it only tells me that youre bad at the game...play more, git gud

[terse storm]

bro.

[spiral pilot]

thats because of the server issues

backstabbing right now is really shitty with those servers

btw buff glitch, what is this? it should go even through walls

[keen raven]

https://tenor.com/view/doctor-who-11th-doctor-matt-smith-amy-pond-salute-gif-1804874787366026036

[runic falcon]

cookie

[warm sable]

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[proud parcel]

Light player with broken legs detected

I don't believe your name for even a second.

[proud parcel]

This is also an utterly dogshit take.

[tawny robin]

When is medium getting another gun

[wary anchor]

I love your name

[mossy flare]

Need a team

[ashen cairn]

Hello everyone

[proud hazel]

Light should get a genji deflect

[urban radish]

Add that and dash sword deflect would be peak

[split rivet]

did they change the recon aoe size? i swear its way larger

[tawny robin]

i think custom games would be dope

[exotic ginkgo]

gas grnade or vanishing bom I use KNIFES

@Cliff
i really hope they add custom games

[tawny robin]

also add a burst semi long range rifle for medium

[tiny basalt]

Why does ADS aiming with the sniper feel so choppy and unstable while moving the cursor? It's not smooth at all. Weapon sway and bob while moving around is one thing but even standing still it just feels like the game is doing a poor job of translating my mouse movements. I don't have this issue with any snipers in any other game and also not with any of the other weapons in this game. It's exclusive to sniper rifle in The Finals.

[terse storm]

everyday is a struggle

[wild ether]

ok defib needs a nerf, im thinking increase the time needed to charge it fully

[outer perch]

C4 + Throwable Combo needs to be patched immediately. you cant go a single game without a team using this combo to instakill you or your entire team

either remove c4 entirely in a hotfix to give devs time to investigate and combat the problem or this issue is going to be the basis of every match

[rapid veldt]

whats this c4 + throwables combo everyone talks about?

[outer perch]

heavy or light characters have a breach charge that they can put on a fire barrel, or explosive barrel or gas barrel and launch it at a team to instakill them

because they get the c4 damage and the damage initiated by the barrel exploding racking up to 280 damage instantly

[weary moss]

Mediums can do it too with mines

[outer perch]

never see a medium do that thoe, its usually alwaysa heavy or light

plus mine does less initial damage because theres no activating charge

i lost a final right now because a heavy was literally doing nothing but this. and would instakill anyone

i never saw him should his gun, put down a shield dome. just throwing barrels with charges on it to get the instakill on us

shoot*

[sage kiln]

Yes, to a point where a normal res is almost as fast. Good idea!

[red spruce]

medium can do it, but its worst than light or heavy, mines slows down the barrels

[near surge]

heavy can do c4 + mines even

[restive plover]

What do y'all think if I designed a gadget concept and mailed it to Embark

[junior python]

guys what are the best gadgets for light ?

[thin vault]

taser goes ludicrously hard

[jagged escarp]

What about increase the cool-down

[verbal shale]

create a new explosive gadget and ship it to them irl?

[restive plover]

I present to you the new gadget: pipe bomb

[verbal shale]

or go one step further; and send them a new arena event. napalm

[hearty verge]

Floor is lava would be pretty funny

[narrow badger]

No the counter is not visible in the inspect animation for the dagger havn't tried your tip for any of the other weapons but just tried on dagger
can't see it :(

and the throwing knives are the same

the only way to see it on dagger is by standing still and looking down which seems a little exessive remembering that it's a "passive flex" item

[toxic jasper]

defib doesn't need a nerf

[buoyant estuary]

why are yall not talking about the turret on a throwable?

[warm lion]

why should we

[buoyant estuary]

its crazy op

[warm lion]

it literally does less damage if you just shoot the enemy yourself

[buoyant estuary]

run with an auto turret and then thorw it into a room to descract boom

auto aim constant attack with no reload?

[warm lion]

it still does barely good dps on its own

[toxic jasper]

the turret also completely nullifies the light class pretty much

[buoyant estuary]

thats why you can toss it and then attack with your wep!

[warm lion]

light literally has the best tools for countering turret

[buoyant estuary]

man i have done turret with shield and mines and its always sooooo ez

[toxic jasper]

yeah when its a 1v1 against the turret maybe but in games its impossible to do anything when theres a turret

[warm lion]

no it isn't

[buoyant estuary]

focus on that moving turret or let my other guys just kill you?

[warm lion]

literally never focus on the turret

[buoyant estuary]

then u die

its always shooting you

[toxic jasper]

it literally is, you can't destroy it in one clip, it takes you out of invis completely, it distracts you from the players. its impossible to do anything

[buoyant estuary]

op

add a L with the ting that kills throwables

its actually very ballanced thats why the c4 and H counter them

[warm lion]

just walk past a wall
or goo it
or smoke it
or make it fall through the floor
it's not hard to just ignore it

[jagged escarp]

Can someone please explain what does the aps turret do

[warm lion]

destroy projectiles that come from players
like gadgets

[jagged escarp]

So gadgets and the crates get destroyed

And do you protect yourself from all damage

[warm lion]

doesn't protect you from the stuff you can pick up like the canisters or pots though

it's not gonna protect you if something blows up outside its range though

[buoyant estuary]

ill literaly be carring it around with me while its shooting you!