💣┇weapons-gadgets

[warm lion]

live light reaction

[spiral spear]

Basically you wanna be able to do the most dps without backlash 💀

[digital kite]

agree, together with rpg and mines

[sudden patrol]

anything that impares the movement of enemies is a cheap crutch and shouldnt be a thing in a competitive shooter 🤷

[warm lion]

i mean, goo impairs movement too

[digital kite]

but the thing is I can kill without stun gun, clowns withount mines cant 😁

[sudden patrol]

directly impair i meant. Stuns, slows etc.

[sudden patrol]

you know, just because someone gets 2 kills per game out of their 10 with mines doesnt mean they arent skilled

[warm lion]

proper mine placement is also a skill
that you can still counter by actually paying attention

[digital kite]

very funny

[stable igloo]

I don't even really get the complaint with mines other than stuff like "glitch should fully disable them" or the arm time should be longer. Mines have felt fine both using and dealing with them.

[warm lion]

very true

[digital kite]

mines always were cancer weapon in FPS games

[sudden patrol]

or a glitch grenade, or a grenade launcher, or listening, or looking

[digital kite]

glitch is useless

[warm lion]

confirmed wooden rank player
bro has 0 idea what he's talking about

[stable igloo]

things people that don't use glitch on shields would say

[sudden patrol]

idk what to say about that one big man

glitch nade counters literally everything in the game besides being shot

[warm lion]

imagine thinking that the ability to delete 1250 hp in an instant is useless

[digital kite]

show me your stats

[warm lion]

i don't think you'd understand the numbers

[digital kite]

0.5 kd confirmed

[sudden patrol]

im not doing so hot 💀

[warm lion]

you have 0.00005 confirmed

[sudden patrol]

still positive KD so im happy about that

[strong heath]

yeah having a negative kd would be... interesting

[warm lion]

bro really rainbow reacted me 💀

[digital kite]

because you are unskilled clown who defending the only way you can kill

[sudden patrol]

brother given the state of 90% of my solo q teammates i would say a majority of people have negative KD 💀

[spiral spear]

1v1 me on monaco

[strong heath]

like reviving enemies lmao

[warm lion]

bro fr losing the argument
started reacting me with pride 💀

😂

[sudden patrol]

yup xd
Had a guy today on my team try to 1v3 with the healing beam 😭

[warm lion]

that's supposed to offend me how exactly 💀

[spiral spear]

Bro my kd is trashed cause I get defibed in the middle of 6 people 💀

[digital kite]

you are shy to show your clown stats

[sudden patrol]

you didnt show your stats either tho.

[spiral spear]

My meds think cause im a heavy im invincible

[strong heath]

holy crap lol. thats worse than minecraft players, and I've seen those guys throw away their pants or weapons before engaging in a fight lmao

[pseudo owl]

Starting to look like my stats

[sudden patrol]

xdd

[sudden patrol]

idk is that a good thing or a bad thing xd

[digital kite]

will show after I finish my game

[pseudo owl]

Depends on how you look at it

[sudden patrol]

alr im actually curious

[sudden patrol]

bout a 90 degree angle from my monitor 😏

[brisk beacon]

where can you check your performance stats like that ?

[sudden patrol]

if u click on your name in the top right it will pop up

[brisk beacon]

damn i feel dumb asf for never noticing that ty lol

[sudden patrol]

no worries 😄

[digital kite]

I cant post pictures

[warm lion]

L

[sudden patrol]

just use snipping tool and paste the image in the chat box

[digital kite]

Thats exactly what I did

[sudden patrol]

just like this: check out my setup

solid 11/10 if u ask me

[stable igloo]

gotta be rising star to post pics, so they literally cannot post pics here is what they mean.

[warm lion]

yoooo he got the heart mirror

[stable igloo]

gimme that mouse ty

[sudden patrol]

pink is an absolute banger anyone that thinks otherwise is tweaking (im a 100kg bearded dude with 50cm biceps)

[warm lion]

me to my heavy

[stable igloo]

pink is great, especially if you have pink rgbs lol

[sudden patrol]

pink is a banger but my all time fav is purple hands down

[sudden patrol]

lets lock mesh shields and unload our SA1216's into everyone :uwu:

[warm lion]

bro should keep complaining about mines
he's never gonna get to flex his KD that's definitely better than ours

[sudden patrol]

💀 it do be like that sometimes

[stable igloo]

they do have a mode in valorant that gives everyone the same weapon, its not impossible for us to all get the same gun at some point lol

though, it would likely be an alternate meme mode.

[warm lion]

finna flex with my 22 kills 😎

[sudden patrol]

whats the deal with the discord ranks anyway, like how do you get assigned them?

[warm lion]

message count

[stable igloo]

you get xp for chatting, it auto-assigns when you meet a certain amount. you can check in #🏆┇rank-check

[sudden patrol]

ohh i see. would have been cool if it was tied to in game performance

[stable igloo]

no clue what green name is though. not many people got it lol

[warm lion]

takes about 3955 messages

[sudden patrol]

its "finalist"

[stable igloo]

yeesh

[sudden patrol]

bro been here since the Mesozoic era

[stable igloo]

I meant the xp/message count requirement. because contestant is rank 10, which is already a fair bit of chatting

[warm lion]

i mean march also starts with M so close enough

[sudden patrol]

sheeeshhhhhh

im only lvl 4 rip

[digital kite]

check your DMs

[warm lion]

don't check your DMs

[sudden patrol]

alr nice

same match number as me, somehow more deaths but more losses too

[warm lion]

bro has an average of 1 revive per match
typical light tbh

[sudden patrol]

u main light dont you xd

[warm lion]

why do you think he's complaining about mines

[sudden patrol]

i mean yea it would make sense xd

[digital kite]

show me your stats clown

[near spire]

What’s wrong with light?

[sudden patrol]

kd isnt bad actually

[sudden patrol]

average of 1 revive per game 💀

[sudden patrol]

also has the most crutch gadgets in the game imo

[digital kite]

revives is not a performance stat

[near spire]

Fr

[warm lion]

keep ur team dead ig

[near spire]

Why it matter how many revives

[sudden patrol]

true, but its very valuable for the team and if your objective is to win games

[near spire]

I just focus on objective

And try to help my teammates

[sudden patrol]

thats when u run into an explo mine and then rage in the discord 🤷

[near spire]

No?

[digital kite]

I always revive if there is a necessary

[warm lion]

it always is

[near spire]

Same

[sudden patrol]

its always better to engage with a full team imo

[near spire]

Not always some people are just bad and not worth the revive

[sudden patrol]

also not getting wiped and hit with that 30% tax is nice

[digital kite]

its bad to revive someone in front of 2 other teams

[warm lion]

just get them out of there then smh

[near spire]

And it’s hard to get revives off

[digital kite]

maybe thats why clown has 0.5 kd

[brisk beacon]

having full team up always should be priority in any team eniroment lol

[stable igloo]

make them useful by putting a c4 on their figure and throwing them at the enemy, they helped

[sudden patrol]

me off cooldown:

[near spire]

I don’t use c4

[warm lion]

1.46 kd actually 😎

[stable igloo]

mine then

[lunar timber]

how do you use the reserve loadout

[sudden patrol]

💀 😭

[warm lion]

you press j when dead during any mode but ranked

[stable igloo]

Press J (default key) when dead, you can swap then

[boreal laurel]

Press J between respawns

Click on a weapon or gadget to switch to your reserve for that slot

[warm lion]

majority was in the betas ok

[sudden patrol]

mine is 1.38 actually not that bad

[warm lion]

been too busy because of college 💀

[boreal laurel]

Just be aware that you can’t switch abilities

[sudden patrol]

understandable xd

[digital kite]

busy, 23k exp in discord kek

[stable igloo]

you have to have an atlernate build to switch abilities, even then I believe you can only do that on the 1st round of a tournement/ranked

[sudden patrol]

i love coming home from work just to rage at my team in the finals. makes me sleep well at night

[warm lion]

over the course of 9 months
yes
it's as if vacations exist

[sudden patrol]

must be nice being in college still 💀

[warm lion]

tf u mean
i don't wanna be here 💀

[sudden patrol]

wait till u become a working man. u will yearn for the college years

[warm lion]

nah i'd rather yearn for high school when i could just sleep through every class

[sudden patrol]

i worked a 256 hour unpaidshift today of crushing my legs in a plastic compactor brother

[warm lion]

bro worked 256 hours in the past 24

[sudden patrol]

💀

[warm lion]

bros workplace has a nearby black hole

[sudden patrol]

you alr know it. its like being in interstellar but everyone is on that damn water planet and ur in the ship orbiting it

1 hour for them is 10 years for you

[hollow rune]

signalis pfp respect

[warm lion]

mynah my beloved

[snow sapphire]

Do the tools and gadgets for medium-class characters feel overwhelming loaded and unenjoyable to anyone else fight against? The turret is not only unfun to deal with but also excessively tanky. However, my primary concern is the instant revival with the defibrillator right in front of you during a firefight. This not only lacks balance but is also highly frustrating, especially considering the immunity granted to the revived person.

The heal beam adds to the frustration, making it really difficult to eliminate opponents who are constantly being healed. The combination of the defibrillator and heal beam in close proximity creates an even more problematic scenario with the immunity frames. This issue becomes significantly worse when there are two or three medium-class characters on the same team.

This wouldn't be so overloaded if medium-class characters had to deal with mediocre guns or Low HP in exchange for strong gadgets. However, mediums also boast the best guns in the game and are tanky enough to perform instant revives while under fire. Defibrillator is likely my biggest issue with the class

[terse storm]

This wouldn't be so overloaded if medium-class characters had to deal with mediocre guns

yeah, that's why we have mediocre guns (comparatively)

[golden adder]

Mercy but with an AK

[tight bison]

lol true

[boreal laurel]

My problem with medium is that it almost demands to be played with a team. Go it alone and you don’t have much besides mad shooting skills to survive on. And let’s be honest: when playing solo, team play is HARD.

[snow sapphire]

turret is your team mate lol

[warm lion]

turrets are easier to deal with goo or smoke
pretty much every gun outDPSs the healing rate
half of its guns are kinda mid tho

[terse storm]

I don't think that's a problem i'm pretty sure that's literally just how the class is designed😭

[boreal laurel]

And I agree that medium’s guns (except the AK) could be better.

[terse storm]

That's why it has healing and defib because it can't do shit by itself

[snow sapphire]

but my main issue is defib over everything else

[boreal laurel]

I agree. I’m just saying that it kind of puts medium in its place. It’s not OP except with a team.

[worn iron]

Honestly heal beam itself isn't that big of a problem, it's teams that have two heal beams. The heavy is borderline unkillable at that point, primarily because 90% of light players are inbreds that don't understand the value of glitch nades and never bring them.

I do agree that the immunity on revive can be annoying but if they're just running up to them with their defib out you should be shooting and killing that medium easily. What is their teammate who is revived at half health going to do?

[tight bison]

revive his other teammate back cuz their both mediums lol

[worn iron]

Well he's going to die even faster than the other medium because he's already half. Lol

[terse storm]

yeah ngl i've not really had that much trouble killing recently defibbed enemies, i just be shootin

[tight bison]

you got 80 bullet mags?

[worn iron]

You have teammates

[terse storm]

Why's it taking you 80 bullets to kill two mediums with one being half😭

[tight bison]

4 mediums they rezed each out twice

[worn iron]

Unless you're alone there is no excuse

[terse storm]

Where'd the fourth one come from?

[tight bison]

well 3 mediums cuz they came back at half hp

total you got your self a nice 5-6 mediums in one team, rezing and heal beaming

[terse storm]

How'd they rez each other twice before you killed both of them?😭

especially on a class that's not medium

[tight bison]

lol you realize they arent insta reviving and disconnecting their keyboard

they revive by the time you kill one from the shooting you from respawn you prob died

[terse storm]

They have half health😭

Especially if you're playing light or heavy it shouldn't be that crazy

[tight bison]

half health and 2 seconds of imunity LOL

[terse storm]

2 seconds of imunity

chat why are we lying

[tight bison]

the immunity is a bigger issue that half health

[kindred arrow]

you're invincible post-defib long enough to get beamed to basically full health

[terse storm]

That's just not true though

[jovial stag]

yea not true icl

[tight bison]

lol 🤡

[terse storm]

I know you have i-frames when your defib someone but it really isn't that long though💀

[tight bison]

why are there even i frames

just shouldnt be there lol

[terse storm]

makes the game feel better

[tight bison]

lol true I bet for the tripple medium team insta reviving while being shot at it must feel so much better they can do that

or double medium 1 heavy

[terse storm]

bro I assure you the reason why you aren't killing a recently defibbed person is not because of the like 10 frames they were invincible for😭

[golden adder]

Defib is too strong I don’t get why it’s an argument.

Like is anyone really saying the fact that it’s unanimously agreed that a medium should always take it isn’t an issue for the health of the game?

[tight bison]

🤡 lol

[rain blade]

frfr

[terse storm]

Chat all i'm gonna say is that the main people I see complaining about defib being too strong are people who haven't been playing the game that long

[snow sapphire]

🤡 lol

[warm lion]

what are you talking about
even veterans still complain about it

[warm lion]

you must be mistaking defib with turret

[terse storm]

I haven't seen it therefore it does not exist

[mellow hazel]

how's the LH1?

it seems really strong but I dont see anyone using it

[digital kite]

I saw, very rare tho

[fickle stump]

Not consistent enough compared to other weapons

[mellow hazel]

You sure? 15 bullets, good accuracy, and it kills in like 6

[small heath]

the recoil is a bit harder to manage but it's a good weapon

[tight bison]

my issue with lh1 is gun model+ iron scope takes so much of the screen easy to lose someone with the recoil

[fickle stump]

well what I meant was in a game where much of it is close combat and really fast paced it can be overwhelming using the LH1 considering its massive iron scope and low DPS if you dont hit every shot as a headshot, and it just ends being outshined by the other weapons

[oblique mist]

best weapon?

[fickle stump]

I'd say mp5 for light with pistol as close 2nd, Scar for the medium and autoshotgun for heavy

[digital kite]

you need to make 3 headshots + 1 bodyshot to kill heavy from LH1, 3 headshots to kill medium

[mellow hazel]

Good thing it shoots fast as hell

Mash mash mash mash mash

[mellow hazel]

Which one's mp5

[fickle stump]

smg with scope

[mellow hazel]

Xp-54?

[oblique mist]

i think

[fickle stump]

sure

[signal current]

lf1 med healer RANKED

[fickle stump]

Yep, XP-54 with stungun, vanish and gas grenades is by far the most vercatile light build and is great for attacking and defending

[mellow hazel]

Also would have thought the shotties would be higher

[crimson island]

what’s the meta

[fickle stump]

H H M or H M M for team comps

[digital kite]

vanish meh

[fickle stump]

basically cloak spec as a gadget

[crimson island]

any specific weapons or gadgets?

[digital kite]

3 seconds meh

and the sound that everyone on the map hears

and you can literally see where this vanish grenade was used by the purple trace on the floor

[sleek plinth]

Use it as a clock extension

When your clock runs low

[digital kite]

I prefer molotov, it has instant explosion

[sleek plinth]

Yea you only need taser and glitch, the third slot can be whatever you prefer

[fickle stump]

Heavy 1 bring Charge n slam w Auto shotgun, RPG, C4 and either gas grenade or gas mine, Heavy 2 bring Mesh shield w Lewis gun RPG, DOME shield and Gas grenade or mine again, with the medium bringing Healing beam with FCAR or AKM (Persoanl preference) with defib, gasmine and jump pad.

This is what me and my trie has been dominating with this season, but everyone can mix and match for what they prefer for their individual playstyle

[digital kite]

glitch meh

[fickle stump]

Glitch is very good but I prefer stun, vanish and gas grenade

[fickle stump]

It's great if you know how to play it. You only really need cloack to get the first hit in the fight and the vanish does that perfectly without you having to spend a whole spec slot for it

[digital kite]

glitch will be nice only if it will work the same as rainbow six

[sleek plinth]

Glitch is what makes light good

[digital kite]

disable for few seconds meh

[fickle stump]

with how everyone brings turrets and mines its really good

[sleek plinth]

You need glitch to counter shield spam

[fickle stump]

You only need it for a few seconds tho, thats all you need to get the overhand in the team fight

[sleek plinth]

Exactly stops all healing and shielding is broken

[fickle stump]

a suprise glitch on a trio behind a heavy shield is devastating for the defending team

[digital kite]

maybe its ok in ranked I agree

[fickle stump]

its perfect in ranked

[digital kite]

its not an esport game so I dont play ranked

[sleek plinth]

It’s absolutely required, otherwise you bring nothing that other classes can’t do better

[digital kite]

balance is broken

[fickle stump]

You can't really say whats good and bad talking out of unranked since in unranked throwing knifes and swords are usable

[sleek plinth]

Quick play is just so different from tournament because of the respawns

[oblique mist]

what does glitch do?

[fickle stump]

the game is pretty balanced ngl, people just say it's unbalanced because they lose 1v1's against something made for 1v1's. Like when people complain about RPG because they died in a 1v1 when meant to be with their team...

[fickle stump]

disables all gadgets like turrets, mines and shields

[worn iron]

Yeah, glitch nade is literally the best grenade in the game. It stops mediums from healing or defibbing, heavies from using RPGs, shield, or C4. Anyone who denies it's the best grenade is insane.

[sleek plinth]

And stops healing, rpg, gas nade, mines

[digital kite]

people complaining about rpg and mines because it requires no skill to kill and its instantly oneshot lights

[sleek plinth]

It’s makes a team useless basically

[fickle stump]

oneshots lights out of position and punishes bad players for playing stupidly

same goes with mines, shoot them and dont run blindly into them

[worn iron]

RPG and C4 are meant to be destruction tools, not wonder weapons bro

[digital kite]

playing smart = sitting in the hole?

someone from above just pushed 1 button and you are dead no matter what

[fickle stump]

picking your fights and not going straight into a heavy with his RPG out. Come from behind, stun him so his RPG is disabled and kill him. what is so hard about that

[sleek plinth]

Exactly you need to stun a heavy or wait for him to waste his rpg to even try to kill him

[digital kite]

it will be nerfed anyway

[fickle stump]

I doubt it, wouldn't make sense

[vapid inlet]

please nerf all shotguns to make them shit

[digital kite]

too powerful, if dont this game will die

[fickle stump]

what is too powerful? the RPG or the stun because neither are OP

[vapid inlet]

Don't play light

[digital kite]

mines without delay as example

[sleek plinth]

Skill issue, rpg is annoying but not op

[fickle stump]

real

[digital kite]

nice advice

[vapid inlet]

lights are all so dumb, they follow the heavy and then whinge when the heavy places mines that kill them

[worn iron]

You could've just ended it at lights are all so dumb

[warm lion]

true

[fickle stump]

literally a skill issue

[sleek plinth]

Light is high skill high reward, I run meta build and get 15k+ combat score every round and I think it’s a viable class.

[digital kite]

heavy enjoyers very like 1 button gameplay

it's not for long

[fickle stump]

If you put yourself in a position to get insta mined by a heavy you are just bad lol

[warm lion]

light "enjoyers" like cry waa waa nerf boom boom

[worn iron]

A good 90% of lights I get either never bring glitch nades, use the sniper and contribute nothing, or both

[sleek plinth]

Exactly

[fickle stump]

after pushing a team alone on the other side of the map away fro his own team

[sleek plinth]

Most lights in my games are just dogshit

[warm lion]

don is apparently one of them

[worn iron]

That's why I just play in a 3 stack or pray that I get a M/M/H or H/H/M comp, because randoms can't play light

[sleek plinth]

But sniper is perfectly viable if you are good

[digital kite]

cmon clown, you said you are busy but you are sitting there all day

[worn iron]

Viable, just not good honestly. Game is CQC way too often.

[fickle stump]

mad? that you're experiencing a skill issue and came here to cry about it expecting a nerf because youre bad?

[worn iron]

Sniper could actually be considered good if we had secondary weapons.

[digital kite]

the reason for that of course is the fact that heavy is overpowered

[worn iron]

I will admit though, pretty damn good on open cashout points

[sleek plinth]

If you can land all your noscopes it can definitely work, I had a game where a sniper light shit on us cause he could just aim better

[digital kite]

thats not true

[warm lion]

i have a second monitor to look at chat and laugh at you while i actually review on my main one
goofy ahh

[fickle stump]

nothing is overpowered, just necesarry... Like saying Reainhard is OP in overwatch because he can 1tap with his ult and have a lot of HP

[fickle stump]

Clearly when you're complaining so much lol

[vapid inlet]

Mate you're whinging about chasing a heavy and then countering you with a mine. Use your brain

[next coral]

i mean this is assuming you can always get the drop on someone in a game with 2-3 other teams against you and where forces out of your control can put you "out of position" faster than you can say "one-shot"

[digital kite]

yes yes yes , first game with perfect balance on release kek

[worn iron]

I literally said why before I said that. Not because heavy is overpowered, you didn't read what I said at all. 90% of the lights I get are dogshit and either don't bring glitch nades or use sniper and contribute nothing, or both. Heavy's shotgun is definitely bullshit but that's about it.

[sleek plinth]

As light you need to get the drop on someone, otherwise you die instantly and are just playing the class wrong

[fickle stump]

after 2 betas and an alpha to tweak and change stuff pretty much.

[warm lion]

this u bro?
talking shit about balance

[sleek plinth]

You need taser, glitch, and invis as light

[digital kite]

so if there will be at least one balance fix in future you admit that you are wrong?

[fickle stump]

and this?

[next coral]

a high-ttk game is intended to be free of these "tough luck, bud" moments

[worn iron]

Shit balance - proceeds to not use glitch nade, the equivalent of medium's defib for the light class

[warm lion]

only high ttk if you aren't a light

[vapid inlet]

light players seriously should have to get a license to play light

[warm lion]

of course the mf with 150 hp has a lower ttk than the ones with 250 and 350
it's just math

[fickle stump]

Something doesnt have to be OP to be tweaked, and am I wrong if that balance fix is buffing the weaker stuff?

[next coral]

a lower ttk does not mean it's ok for this type of win button to exist

[warm lion]

stop thinking you get to live the same amount of time as someone with 200 more hp

[worn iron]

Yeah, light spontaneously combusts others lights, deletes mediums, and shreds heavies.

[sleek plinth]

I agree, solo queue into 2k score light while I’m at 15k as light is ridiculous

[fickle stump]

When that role has so much agility and movement it is 100% fair

[warm lion]

literally just don't get shot

[sleek plinth]

Literally just go invis, shits broken

[vapid inlet]

oh no a small rocket going very slowly how will the quick and agile light respond?! By jumping up and down in place

[warm lion]

actually good players can see invis easily so i never take it

[next coral]

"very slowly" be real bro throwing knives travel slower than RPG; in the time I can pop a glitch a heavy can pull out RPG, shoot it, put it away, and start shooting with primary again

[ancient sentinel]

Can you get diamond in solo q ?

[vapid inlet]

rockets slow af

[worn iron]

People don't know how to use movement yet, aren't using the goddamn glitch nade, use shit weapons, and then wonder why light sucks and they either stop playing it or continue throwing matches for two other people every game. Beyond obnoxious.

[fickle stump]

but its not because the heavy takes out a big ass rocket launcher indicating you need to get out of there right or anything

[sleek plinth]

You tripping, invis is broken

[oblique mist]

secondary weapons need to be a thing

[fickle stump]

wise words

[next coral]

again you're just assuming you will always see the heavy as soon as he sees you and have time to answer to it

[fickle stump]

As a whole new category with new weapons or do you ean you can pick 2 of the current weaons cuz if so, NO

[ancient sentinel]

No

[spark lance]

Maybe

[fickle stump]

Yep, you have eyes and the ability to look around. Use them

[worn iron]

In all fairness, most people are shit so until ranked finally gets settled and people are where they belong and you're high rank I think it's gonna be pretty strong for a while.

[warm lion]

people just don't know how to see 💀

[fickle stump]

not really, no.

[oblique mist]

like in cod where theres a good weapon and a lesser weapon

[warm lion]

not really invis + loud as fuck= not broken

[worn iron]

Give it until a bit into next year and people get more used to it and ranked finally has accurate more accurate and stable placements. High ranks invis will be garbage.

[sleek plinth]

I mean it’s literally meta rn and what every good light player is running but ok

[fickle stump]

I can see that as possible but with the pistol already being one of the best weapons in the game it would need some tweaking

[sleek plinth]

But now it’s fucking broken

[warm lion]

nah
CB1 you could argue was broken
now?
nah
not even

[fickle stump]

It's "meta" because of bad players, in here complaining about invis lol

[worn iron]

Yeah, abuse invis right now for free K/D and wins. Practice dash for when people finally wisen up to invis and start neutering it.

[warm lion]

the only reason they nerfed cloak again is the same reason they nerfed flamethrower so hard
bad players

[sleek plinth]

I think you should give it a try before discounting it. I was saying how shit it was before using it

[warm lion]

well i've been playing since before the nerfs

[sleek plinth]

You’re not fighting good players 99% of the time. I spend most games fighting bad teammates

[warm lion]

that's the point
you're playing against bad players
that doesn't make it broken

[next coral]

so the answer to this shit is manual spinbotting? what about while cashing out, while reviving a teammate, while engaged with another team, or (god forbid) a vanish bombed heavy? so tired of this diminutive shit, no one's omnipotent unless they're straight cheating and pretending you can always be in a fair situation where both of you are aware of each other at the same time just feels like bait to ignore actual criticism so you can claim "skill issue"

[sleek plinth]

It’s not broken, just better than the other 2 options

[warm lion]

straight wrong
cloak won't allow you to backstab a heavy regardless of where they're looking

[solar wasp]

Pretty surprised I don’t see the gas nades/mines talked about anywhere. They’re so OP with having no counter play, how long they last, and how many of them you get. Teams with 2 mediums able to put 2 each for a total of 4 lock down entire buildings for like 10 seconds until the gas is gone shits wild and u can’t do anything about it

[next coral]

not a single other one-shot in this game comes close to the safety and ease of use that the RPG light one-shot does, it's completely out of place

[worn iron]

By proxy it does, but objectively yeah it doesn't. It's cheese.

[warm lion]

the counter is fire
they're not op
fire cans exist literally all over the map

the counter is also glitch and APS

[solar wasp]

If u throw fire on gas does the fire not just have the same issue of locking down the same area?

[elfin saffron]

😂

[warm lion]

i mean it hurts less

[lime pecan]

they should introduce consumables that teams fight over. like a point spawns on the map that gives a gas mask for your team that makes you immune to gas damage until you die or something.

[warm lion]

always wanted a bomb that calls down a meteor shower

[fickle stump]

1. while cashing out you should have a heavy bubble around you, without mentioning that the light shouldnt be stealing for optimal results and they're squishy and meant to be vercatile and hold the heavy stealing with the medium healing

2. The medium should be ressing with defibs or take the respawn figure in a safe place by using dash or grappling hook

3. While engaged with another team you shouldnt put yourself as a light in a position to be shot at by an RPG

4. A vanished heavy shouldnt be able to catch you with the right positioning...

hope it helped with your issues 🙂

[vapid inlet]

lights should be one shot by RPGs idk why y'all arguing. Its literally that simple. They're annoying little rats

[solar wasp]

Like if ur going to a cash out and there’s already a gas mine activated and/or throw a gas grenade you just lose. There’s nothing to do especially as a light where the gas kills u in like 2 seconds

[warm lion]

they also just don't deserve to live with their 150 hp having ass

RPGs should just one shot everyone anyway
just like irl

[fickle stump]

@next coral I know it's hard for bad players when they get punished for not knowing how to play but you'll get there soon. I promise

[next coral]

get a load of this guy fr

[fickle stump]

your* mom did

[fickle moth]

anyone know you could go invis with cash/canisters or did I discover something

[warm lion]

yourue*

[fickle stump]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-your-gif-22328611

[warm lion]

pretty sure light could always use ability while carrying

[fickle stump]

damn, no gif permit

[warm lion]

i got u https://tenor.com/view/youre-your-gif-22328611

[fickle stump]

WOOOO

[fickle moth]

no you can’t go invis while holding things, you have to throw it go invis and grab it back

[warm lion]

well, close enough

[fickle stump]

likely a bug then, I know you get uncloacked grabbing the crate when effected by the vanish

[golden adder]

If light stole cash outs and revived faster + had faster health regen, it’d be a much better class and more valuable to the team

[sinful axle]

REMOVE c4 barrels, its the most op and uncounterable thing ever

[warm lion]

they already get to disable every ability and gadget
they don't need extra perks

[fickle stump]

true, right now they have no place in stealing tbh

[fickle moth]

ah so I did discover something new, I’ll see if I can record it and show you guys

[fickle stump]

[golden adder]

Glitch doesn’t make light relevant it’s a bad class and that’s the one tool that actually does something for the team

[warm lion]

it's the one tool it needs

[fickle stump]

It absolutely does, glitch is a 1-way ticket to winning a team fight

[oblique mist]

i like light for movement

[fickle stump]

A true light enthusiast

[golden adder]

The meta from day 0 has never had light but maybe im wrong

[next coral]

i was gonna give you points 1 and 2, but claiming positioning in a 4-team game where the playing field goes from a 4 story building to rubble in a second is just straight BS; being a good player doesn't mean you can control everything that happens in a match; even if that was the case, one player shouldn't have to be playing like they're in pro-leagues just to deal with another who looked in a vague direction and pressed a button

[warm lion]

that's because shields are brain dead and no sbmm in betas

nobody needed to actually use glitch to get to diamond

[fickle stump]

1st it's unlikely 4 teams are on the same crate unless it's quickplay and you clearly don't know what you're talking about

[restive plover]

Fr

[next coral]

it's unlikely but it can still happen; quickplay, believe it or not, should be fun too; lol ok

[elfin saffron]

😂

[warm lion]

actual players know it's a bad idea to fight over a single cash box 💀

[fickle stump]

I know but you shouldnt balance a game based on the bad players playing quickplay because they havent unlocked ranked or tourneys yet 🤣

The average player has no clue on how to balance a game and what goes on behind the scenes lol

[next coral]

the average player doesn't need to have intricate game design knowledge to understand that something feels like shit to play against

[fickle moth]

cant upload a vid here so i cant show the "glitch"

[fickle stump]

They feel its shit because they are shit

[oblique mist]

light is actually fun

[fickle stump]

try media chat

[fickle moth]

nope

[fickle stump]

then no clue, sorry

[ancient sentinel]

Yes try media chat

[stable igloo]

you need rising star role to post images/vids. which you get by being active in the server.

[next coral]

they feel its shit because in the span of a millisecond all of their life was disappeared by someone who doesn't need to be much smarter than a 4 year old to do so

[fickle stump]

skill issue end of the day

[warm lion]

you overestimate a 4 year old's ability to play
hence, skill issue

[fickle moth]

any dev i can show the glitch too cuz idk if its supposed to be in the game 💀

[stable igloo]

oh apparently you need qualified for links/gifs. which is a lot longer than rising star. rip

[fickle stump]

#📧┇contact-us

[next coral]

if we want to keep the RPG instakill on direct hits, whatever at least there is more counterplay and less cheese factor to that; there is not a single other one-shot in this game that can even compare to the ease of use RPG has, not even close

[fickle stump]

just use stungun or dont be in a position to get RPG'd, not that hard

[warm lion]

the counter play is running as the hit and run class
and glitch
and smoke
and goo

[fickle stump]

you're fighting a lost battle @next coral

[golden adder]

If I had a nickel for every glitch grenade that has cancelled my rpg before I one-tapped a light id have no nickels

[fickle stump]

If you see a heavy pull out an RPG, just dip, thats what the light class is good at

[fickle stump]

if I had a nickle for every stun gun i've used on a heavy with an RPG out I would'nt be talking on discord, but enjoying my yacht

[warm lion]

skill floor of actual light players are apparently 6 feet deep

[fickle stump]

next to the queen, dawg. they down DEEP

[next coral]

you're just pretending like this encounter exists in a vacuum; this isn't the warzone gulag where you can always know where someone is, this isn't CS/Val where millisecond peeks put you out of the game

[fickle stump]

You're a bad light player if you don't know what's happening around you

[golden adder]

In reality I never get hit by glitches grenades unless I’m dug in defending an objective.

Being glitched or tased against a light as a heavy with an auto shotty is a mild inconvenience.

[next coral]

this bad player shit is so disingenuous, this is simply not feasible all the time every second of the game; shit gets chaotic as hell

[warm lion]

that's why you throw the glitch
when you're about to fight the heavy

[fickle stump]

1. a good player wouldnt use a glitch grenade on a singler target, but to disable gadgets
2. being tased would leave you dead or heavily damaged by a good light player

[golden adder]

Good thing people never encounter any of these good players in the final round

[fickle stump]

As someone who's worked with community management and game balancing I can say as a fact developers more often than not just use the bad player excuse if the problem mainly occurs in unranked or quickplay gamemodes. Vavle wouldnt nerf the AK in CS2 because a noob with less than 50 hours like 98% of the current playerbase complains about something

[warm lion]

valve wouldn't buff a gun if bad players can't hit shots

[fickle stump]

The game and it playerbase is in a too early stage to listen to players about "broken" guns from bad players

[warm lion]

ok but they really should've nerfed the heavy shotgun instead of the flamethrower 💀

that nerf is 100% driven by bad players

[fickle stump]

shotgun got the downside of having to cog every 4th shot leaving a bit of room for counterplay if the heavy dont hit every shot

[warm lion]

shotgun literally has better ttk than flame in the same ranges

[fickle stump]

but the flamethrower was busted, but I see what you mean

[warm lion]

i miss those flamethrower tears

[fickle stump]

tweaking could be useful like tuning the firerate down a little bit but I wouldnt call for a emergency nerf

[golden adder]

Shotgun is the most deserving gun for a nerf it’s completely busted

[warm lion]

the change to how guns are unlocked is the biggest buff that shotgun ever received

it should've remained a gun locked behind level 40 or whatever

[fickle stump]

meh, completely busted is a hard use of words when the fcar can delete a heavy with 1 mag

[warm lion]

not the same thing 💀

[golden adder]

I wouldn’t put the fcar and SA1216 in the same conversation

[warm lion]

pretty much every gun can kill a heavy in 1 mag
so that's not even special

heavy shotgun is actually oppressive

[stable igloo]

fcar being "busted" because a heavy dies in 1 mag is no different than saying "this thing is busted because people that land their shots kill things"

are things not meant to die from a full mag of landed hits?

[granite hemlock]

in the best circumstances though, not everyone has godly aim

[fickle stump]

I know it can't really be put in the same category but when you can kill a heavy with half a mag with only bodyshots in under 2 seconds with the FCAR and complaining about the shotgun being "Compeltely broken" is wild IMO

[elfin saffron]

😂😂😂😂

[warm lion]

at least fcar requires you to actually aim

[fickle stump]

true dat

[granite hemlock]

the shotgun is able to kill 4 heavies in one mag so your point doesn't make sense

[warm lion]

dagger being able to one shot would've been a better comparison

[fickle stump]

That is taking it to the extreme but theoretically it can, and then the FCAR can kill 2 heavies as an assault rifle

[granite hemlock]

that's my point, using every weapons damage in the best scenario is dumb for balancing

[fickle stump]

Its not hard to oneclip a heavy with the fcar tho, I do it every game

[warm lion]

ok but heavy shotgun's "best" scenario is almost all of them

[fickle stump]

The shotguns best scenario is the only scenario you should be using it lol, up close and personal

[warm lion]

exactly

[undone anvil]

Why do lights get so many weapons…..

[pseudo owl]

Cause they keep thinking of light weapons to add and forget about the rest of us

[compact wharf]

im I the only one getting teamates that cant even peel a banana

[stable igloo]

no, thats your average team in lower ranks

some matches feel pointless because your teammates are too busy worrying about their KDA than they are anything else. my favorite is when they won't rez you 10 steps from your body. or they shoot the guy stealing the point from another team throwing the game because the team that currently had it was winning for doing that

[deft oyster]

I cant agree more, I want more heavy options

[fickle stump]

Any Ideas? I could see a big ass battle axe but that'll likely just end up as a skin for the hammer. A TF2 like minigun could be fun

Decrease movement speed while holding and only 5-7 dmg pr bullet due to the high firerate could be interesting

[gaunt lagoon]

More guns in general for light and medium

[fickle stump]

for light? they have 3 more than the two other classes

or you mean guns as in shooting guns, and not just weapons

[gaunt lagoon]

Shooting guns

[deft oyster]

I think a rail gun would be gun for heavy. It like the rpg, One time use, but instead of explosion, it charges up and destroy wall that are in a line

[hidden thunder]

or one hits everyone yeah that would be so amazing

[fickle stump]

Kinda like the laser sniper from halo reach if anyone remembers that'

[deft oyster]

heavy has the least gun and gadgets

[deft oyster]

only Lights : )

if you can tell im a heavy main

[fickle stump]

DOWN WITH LIGHT MAINS

[gaunt lagoon]

Yeah i think heavy is fine where it is its the fact that the othef characters specificly light doesnt have the utility to deal with heavy either make light 180hp or give then more guns pew pews if you will then the game would be perfect

[fickle stump]

huh? light is the most vercatile utility filled role

[deft oyster]

💀

[gaunt lagoon]

No it has alot of utility but when a heavy one shots you its alot and rather annoying however heavy shouldnt suffer for one class neither should medium more utility meaning more versatilr ways to deal with heavy even glitch and cloak can be annoying when you can be one shot by not one but 2 pieces of equipment

Or fuck it and slightly buff movement across the board to help counter one shotting and make a low/medium ttk and more fast paced gameplay or just buff certain guns to bslance the one shots that exist

And remove stun gun

I do think a rail gun would be cool for heavy tho

[full dust]

Medium class needs a Winchester Rifle asap 🤘🏽

[gaunt lagoon]

Give heavy rail gun give medium any bolt action

What i really want for a gadget is custom lobbies to play with friends

[signal verge]

We should have a prop summoner for heavy where we can summon tables, chairs, plants, and canistersssssss

[gaunt lagoon]

Or prop hunt in general would be a fun mode

[fickle stump]

Tbh heavy really isnt that opressive, it really doesnt require much of the light players to counter heavies

[signal verge]

Truuu just glitch and be smart

[fickle stump]

one zap with the stun gun and their RPG and one shot potential is GONE

[slate quail]

auto shotgun

[signal verge]

Like ofc you are gonna die on a 1v1 if you are just running at a heavy in the open

[fickle stump]

stay more than 8 meters away and its impossible for them to get you with less than 5 shots

[gaunt lagoon]

Nono i agree but its not very bdginner friendly im talking about general balance so joey or ema coming home from a long day of work can enjoythemselves slighyly better @fickle stump

[slate quail]

ok but how many of light's guns work at range? 2 of them? what if light has the shotgun, sword, or either smg?

Im a medium main, but I also play light and heavy from time to time and heavy is by far the most broken one

[signal verge]

Bro use one of those two guns sword is shitttt

[fickle stump]

Light 2 taps heavies with shotgun and if you use a sword to a gunfight against a heavy with auto shotgun its your own fault.
when you're challenging a heavy on the ONE aspect they're good at / made for its obvious theyre gonna reck you

[slate quail]

Heavy 2 taps light with auto shotgun lol

And the heavy shotgun has much more ammo

[signal verge]

Light players with brains will keep heavies away

[fickle stump]

and light to taps the heavy as well so if the light uses his stun gun its over for the heavy

[slate quail]

And what if it's a shield heavy?

[signal verge]

Glit vc

[slate quail]

stun gun doesnt do much vs shotguns

[fickle stump]

S
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[gaunt lagoon]

stun gun shotgun is another thing that overall shouldnt exist its like pyro from tf2 flare and burn its not fun id say its more annoying than one shotting

[fickle stump]

or you do mean shield as bubble bc if so just dont push or glitch nade if you REALLY want to die

[deft oyster]

I thankfully dont get that many stun gun player

[gaunt lagoon]

Can we all agree that baricades ard kinda useless

[slate quail]

stun gun cloak shotgun can be obnoxious depending on the arena weather, but at least that's an actual glass cannon

[slate quail]

eh, theyre a bit useless but they can block off a lot of stuff when used well

[short merlin]

what about glitch grenade? can shield block that?

[slate quail]

IMO they should get resistance to explosives tho

[night otter]

yeah i got flanked very often, personally there only useful to temporary block off doors if they don’t have anything to explode the walls nearby

[fickle stump]

no, stunguns denies all use of handheld gadgets like RPG's and glitch nades deactivates everything from mines and auto turrets to shield and RPG's

[slate quail]

Anyways heavy is really broken and obnoxious. Shouldnt have massive HP, area control, and one shot potential

[signal verge]

nah heavies are not Op lmao

[slate quail]

okay so if the light dumps all of its util, it has the chance of killing a heavy (who can still aim and fire btw)

How is that fair?

[gaunt lagoon]

Yeah i dont mind heavy one shot and the hp is justified for how genuinely slow it is

[fickle stump]

Light also have oneshot potential with the sniper. Why dont you complain about that? It can onetap 100 meter away just like the RPG can oneshot up close

[slate quail]

because thats a glass cannon

[gaunt lagoon]

It doesnt one tap heavies

[slate quail]

A light can oneshot, but they can also be oneshot. Heavy cant be

[gaunt lagoon]

And a medic can out hesl it

[fickle stump]

neither does the shotgun, it onetaps lights just like the RPG

[signal verge]

Ok lets be real who has better aim, the class with the sniper or the class with AOE lmao

[slate quail]

so real

RPG is an easy kill, sniper needs a headshot

[night otter]

correct me if i’m wrong but isn’t it possible to oneshot a heavy with lights double barrel?

[slate quail]

No

[gaunt lagoon]

The difference is the skill differential between an rpg and a sledge hammer

[fickle stump]

step 1:
Wait for a time to strike and not just rush into anything
step 2:
Stun them so they can't use RPG
step 3:
1 mag them
step 4:
emote

[night otter]

i meant to reply to a different message my bad

[fickle stump]

2 shot

[gaunt lagoon]

Remove stun gun

Increase light hp a smidge ez game ez life

[fickle stump]

Remove the best counter to the most hated weapon in the game? what kind of crack have you been smoking

[slate quail]

Stunning them doesnt do anything lmao!! They can still aim and shoot!! I dont think stun gun should be buffed, thatd be annoying, but acting like thats the guaranteed kill it was in the beta is disingenuous

Plus stun gun reveals your attack before it happens lol

[night otter]

does stun gun make you turn slower?

[stable igloo]

people want a busted stun gun or no stun gun, so they should just toss it :)

[slate quail]

Nope

[stable igloo]

this was removed from obt to release version

[fickle stump]

It's 100% a guaranteed kill. you stun while standing more than 8 meters away and 1 mag them.

[slate quail]

stun gun is fine how it is in my opinion, the issue isnt the stun, its the heavy

[gaunt lagoon]

You cant open doors cant slide and cant use gadgets its the i have zero skill surprise i have a db as well

[stable igloo]

agreed, but I keep seeing the same complaints. Heavy is a bit ridiculous, but same time close ranged light vs close ranged heavy. You're literally picking fights you SHOULDN'T win.

[night otter]

thank you for the information

[slate quail]

Again, with what gun? The shotgun? Because otherwise the heavy can still kill you quick enough that it doesnt matter unless you hit all headshots

[fickle stump]

XP-54, its so easy you can easily 1 mag them 30+ meters away

[short merlin]

But if a heavy hold his shield out will the stun grenade go trough it? or just be denied

[fickle stump]

denied, but thats why you run stun, glitch and gas grenade in your loadout.
so the glitch can take out all shield and turrets for you to get legit FREE KILLS

[slate quail]

Thats fair, but it shouldnt be a fight you cant even begin to take. Tanks win battles by tanking damage and outputting CONSISTENT returning damage, not by doing one shot burst damage. If a light is supposed to do hit and run, they need to be able to hit and run before they die

[slate quail]

cool so lights need to take a single gun from their kit if they want a chance against a heavy after doing a multi step routine with flawless execution. And what does the heavy need to do to kill the light if they get the first hit?

[fickle stump]

It's truly a skill issue if you can't kill a heavy from behind as a light. The light has so much utility to do so

[short merlin]

could a team of (M, M, L) go up against a team of (M, M, H) and win?

[slate quail]

Who says you're behind? Stun doesnt affect DPI lmao

[short merlin]

if you were to denie the Heavys shield and the medioums healing

[fickle stump]

Yes, I often run MML with my trio and win

[slate quail]

Numpad 2 click left mouse easy win

[fickle stump]

If you attack a heavy from the front as a light you are truly braindead and shouldnt be having this discussion

[gaunt lagoon]

Heavy shouldnt suffer for another class being poorly balanced heavy is fine light ho needs buffed slightly so it can do its job

[slate quail]

again, medium main. And also, people have mice

[fickle stump]

The heaviy is made for up close and personal fighting so it makes sense that they're strong in that scenario. It's like saying its unfair for heavies that they dont have as much agility as lights

[gaunt lagoon]

Its unfair tho to say that stun gun is end all be all when the game exists on console too mexhanics are hard remember that as well

[slate quail]

So let's recap, the light strategy is

1. See heavy (who doesnt see you)
2. Throw glitch grenade
3. Hit stun gun shot
4. Stay away from heavy
5. Shoot heavy (while avoiding getting shot)

[short merlin]

do you find it more succesful then MMH and does the light actually have to be good for it to work?

[elfin saffron]

lmao

[fickle stump]

1. See heavy
2. Stun gun
3. 1 mag

[slate quail]

and the heavy strategy is

1. get glitched
2. turn around
3. shoot light
   Hmmm how interesting

[slate quail]

shield

No matter what you say, light is not powerful enough to justify the skill required to overcome a heavy.

[short merlin]

how long does it take for glitch grenade to explode?

[gaunt lagoon]

Can i get a rank check that isnt from beta

[slate quail]

And you need to HIT the stun, and the heavy needs to not have teammates lol

[fickle stump]

The light have to know how to play light and how to not die to heavies like mr massacre clearly dont. oops wrong @
MML is definatly usable and not weak at all, but for your best chances you need crowd and area control so a heavy is very useful

[short merlin]

yeah i find it hard to get a cashout when we dont have a heavty with shield or dome. but i find it much easier to win with light when its just a 3v3

[slate quail]

almost everyone playing the game rn says heavy is unbalanced, maybe consider you may the one who's wrong lol. Its not fair for the highest hp class to have one shot capability and burst damage comparable to lights while also needing less skill. That's bad balance

[slate quail]

lmao, again, not a light main

[short merlin]

what rank are you axjira?

[fickle stump]

Never said you were

[gaunt lagoon]

Like genuinely

Whats ur rank if you say diamond ur lying

Cause nobody runs stun above gold

[short merlin]

Where do you find that spray pattern and how manyshot to kill the different calsses with the Fcar and the other weapons?

[slate quail]

Strong is not the same as broken lmao. You can still lose a fight as light without being oneshot. Again, light is hit and run. Let them actually be able to look at a heavy before they die.

[gaunt lagoon]

^ based

[slate quail]

you kinda dont yet, damage is weirdly inconsistent and we dont have actual numbers yet

[fickle stump]

skill issue if people really are struggeling against heavies

[slate quail]

for now, theres this #📂┇the-finals-wiki message

[short merlin]

i saw someone who had a image with a spraypattern and amount of shots in boddy or head to kill players

[gaunt lagoon]

Buff throwing knives

[short merlin]

yeah but couldent find it in there : (

[upbeat laurel]

They do not need a nerf

[slate quail]

i mean, someone probably has something, but i dont think theres anything verified by multiple people yet

[fickle stump]

You can always test it yourself in the pracrange

[upbeat laurel]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NHg1VZ3rILNSv6Z-PxQ9krM0VNNtIMh7HX4G4SDFufk/edit?usp=sharing

[fickle stump]

all weapons and gadgets are unlocked in the range aswell

[short merlin]

alr fair

[upbeat laurel]

Range’s damage is bugged rn. Stuff goes too high and low a lot

[slate quail]

hope its just range lol

[gaunt lagoon]

Buff daggers

[restive kiln]

Anyone run with the APS turret? Thoughts? I still can't get a sense of how useful it is.

[fickle stump]

pretty neat, but I wouldnt have it in my loadout personally because I feel like pad, defib and gas mines are a must

[woeful crystal]

Its nice next to obj

[stable igloo]

I think if you're running 2 mediums, 1 APS is a must. its incredibly useful for defensive purposes and makes it hard for people to blow you out of a room.

[restive kiln]

What does it actually do?

Do rockets bounce off? Do nades bounce off or explode but don't penetrate?

[upbeat laurel]

Zaps projectiles like jager ads

[tough mauve]

Running an APS is so important

[stable igloo]

it literally deletes projectiles, rockets, grenades, mines(?), that does include CL-40 and the GL32 on heavy

[tough mauve]

I think it eats mines too

[restive kiln]

So any projectiles that hit it just disappear?

[tough mauve]

Or just in the area, including underneath - it can eat through the floor

[restive kiln]

Will gas/fire penetrate the APS bubble?

[tough mauve]

Including glitch grenades which is the big one

If the fire / gas has already popped I assume it can spread into the area - it just eats the projectiles

[restive kiln]

Got it, thanks gents. Hard to test on live without gettnig stomped 😉

[fickle stump]

Some gadgets can be hard to test, but remember everthing is unlocked in the practice range if you want to test out weapons before buying

[restive kiln]

Yup. But is there a way to test the APS?

[fickle stump]

nope, same with mines and stuff that needs to be triggered

[restive kiln]

right, okay. guess we'll do this the hard way

[fickle stump]

would be nice if they made a range like Apex where you can be on opposite teams than your friend and test things out

[restive kiln]

Agreed, that would be really useful.

[proud parcel]

We really need gas to be nerfed. Playing zyklon b simulator isn't fun in the slightest.

[upbeat laurel]

Fire moment

[proud parcel]

yea use your ONE(1) pyro nade on the THREE(3) sources of gas that mediums have lmao

[stable igloo]

or the many many fire barrels around the map, yes. I think only map that doesn't have barrels is skyway stadium w/ sky rise modifier. might be wrong, but thats the only one I've noticed it in.

[proud parcel]

That's not an acceptable solution as you're not guaranteed to have one nearby

[potent wolf]

what is this chanle about

[fickle stump]

Weapons and gadgets

[potent wolf]

ok

how do i join the game

[fickle stump]

uhm, you download the game on steam and click play?

[potent wolf]

do i need to sine up for any thing

[fickle stump]

Not as I recall, you just need a steam account. Just like when you play Counter strike, all you need is a steam account

[potent wolf]

also in your profile it sed you are up to trade in counter strike so dose that mean counterstrike 2 also and how do i earn coins in cs 2

[fickle stump]

Yes, I need to update my bio.

All you need to do to earn coins / service medals in CS2 is playing the game. Check out CS2's discord for these questions as this discord is for the finals 🙂

[potent wolf]

yes what wepons are there

[fickle stump]

A lot of different weapons like SMG's Rocket launchers and flamethrowers, you should check it out yourself and try the game! 🙂

[potent wolf]

ok thankes for the help have a good day or night

[fickle stump]

thank you, and to you aswell

[tall raft]

Enjoy the game @potent wolf

[potent wolf]

thanks

and it is free right?

[tall raft]

Yes

[potent wolf]

thanks for all the help

[fickle stump]

Ngl I could see mediums getting a bow or a crossbow, could be pretty dope

[stable igloo]

crossbow would be great

[tall raft]

with different types of arrows, explosive, pyro, gas, goo

[upbeat laurel]

I would run that shit

[restive plover]

Haha couldent agree more

[signal verge]

Yoooo good shout

[hollow rune]

imma ask for something stupid but its fun, i want to be able to run the 30-06 without a scope

[formal inlet]

every class is op

[stable igloo]

I'm curious if people would stop complaining about gas mines if the just didn't activate if destroyed

[sick flower]

They'd probably then complain about how powerful they are when they step on one and how you get too many to use.

[stable igloo]

That's what I'd expect too

[proud parcel]

I hope you're not implying gas isn't too strong

[stable igloo]

I never found gas too be an issue, just annoying. Plus, the change I mentioned would reduce a lot of the issue. If it's still an issue then it's just a skill issue tbh

[proud parcel]

Funny.

Gas is massively powerful and there's not enough utility between a team to stop dedicated gas delaying on a cashout.

[stable igloo]

Remove majority of the sources of the gas>still not enough, I see I'm speaking to a wall

[proud parcel]

Sure, if destroying gas mines didn't set them off then it'd be much better

[stable igloo]

That's what I'm talking about. If destroying them didn't set them off

[proud parcel]

As it is you can keep a cashout covered in gas near permanently

[inland scaffold]

gas isnt that big of a deal in a coordinated team, most of the time you can tank the damage with healing beam, pyro that gas, or simply relocate the depobox if its on an elevated position

[proud parcel]

That's implying and only if the team using the gas isn't also coordianted.

You get ONE(1) pyro nade per medium and THREE(3) sources of gas per medium.

[inland scaffold]

well thats one thing, hence why theres either your team coordinating just as well as the enemy or the enemy being distracted by the other team

[proud parcel]

You CAN'T tank a gas nade with a healing beam

[frozen lotus]

how about if shooting the gas caused it to catch fire, settin ppl on fire in range but also removing said gas?

[proud parcel]

It would be near worthless at that point

[frozen lotus]

yea tru

[proud parcel]

It just needs to do less damage. Make it threatening but not an instant death zone.

[stable igloo]

If it does less damage it becomes pointless. Fire would be 100% better in the case. Only alternative I can think of is remove the overtime damage and make the gas explosive.

[proud parcel]

I disagree. Fire is almost nonthreatening for how much damage it does as it is. Gas doing less damage than it does now does not suddenly make fire good for damage and crowd control

I really don't think you've ran in to the type of teams running the gas delaying strats I have.

[cerulean stratus]

so, something i havent quite figured out, do enemies have to literally stand on your mines to trigger them? cause the trigger for them seems either super small or broken. Ive been using them but ive been manually triggering them. I missing something?

[proud parcel]

They've gotta run pretty much right over em. For gas mines the trick is to trigger them manually. Frags are great for this. It's part of why they're so oppressive for defending cashouts.

[brazen charm]

just saw someone's clip, i didn't know defibs dealt damage. how much do they deal?

[cerulean stratus]

thanks man

[proud parcel]

Yup. Just toss the fuckin things everywhere tbh a brainlet light player is bound to run over an explosive one eventually.

[stable igloo]

50, was added in release

[stoic loom]

Idk the damage part, but I've been trying to kill people with it just to get those clips 💀💀💀

[undone pike]

What your pc specs

[vast latch]

[marsh orchid]

LOOKING FOR ALL HEAVY TEAM SO WE CAN JUST BREAK THE MAP

[unreal sandal]

[grand ledge]

anybody know about the grenade glitch where you can sprint while its primed?

[faint smelt]

So when are we removing this canister c4 combo, kinda busted man idk...

[tall raft]

you can shoot the canister in the heavy's hand and heavy go boom

[faint smelt]

kk i try that

[elfin saffron]

lmao

[tulip needle]

can add scope?

[obsidian wave]

im curious if people would stop complaining about gas mines if they just brought and used pyro grenades

[finite steeple]

I do, and it’s still tough. It takes a while for it to burn the gas away.

[obsidian wave]

like 2s

[finite steeple]

Far longer than two seconds for the full cloud to dissipate. The spread of gas needs a hard nerf

The damage is way too high for how large the cloud is

[obsidian wave]

pyros just need to destroy gas mines completely, or at least trigger and dissipate em

idk if they actually do or not

[proud parcel]

ONE(1) PYRO NADE PER MEDIUM VS THREE(3) SOURCES OF GAS WHO WILL WIN

[obsidian wave]

every class has pyro...

[lofty rover]

BTW, why smokes aren’t countering gas now? I think it was the case for OB.

[obsidian wave]

fire eats gas, gas eats smoke, smoke eats fire

[lofty rover]

Oh, I guess I’ve mislead myself with this lmao. Thanks! Need to do more testing then!

[proud parcel]

Oops! The other medium threw down his gas too!

[obsidian wave]

Unless they throw it away from fire, or after fire dies it'll eat every fire

Also with how many people run gas, most teams should be running minimum 2 pyro's.

[proud parcel]

I'm convinced none of you pretending that gas isn't a problem are good enough to run in to coordinated gas delay squads.

[lofty rover]

I think gas is awesome lol

[proud parcel]

It is if look at it from the perspective of effectiveness alone

[obsidian wave]

Gas is never a problem for me if i'm playing light. If I'm playing medium or heavy then it depends on what i bring

but you can also outheal gas if you have a medium with support beam

[proud parcel]

That's a literal lie.

[obsidian wave]

I've done it and have had mediums heal me through gas while stealing...

[proud parcel]

Unless you had two of them healing you then you're lying. Feel free to post video proof of you being healed through gas

[worn ingot]

Got his ass

[obsidian wave]

Just a single as we were playing either LMH or MMH with one having turret. I've never played with two support beams

[proud parcel]

I think you're misremembering or lying.

[obsidian wave]

Or you just think you know it all?

[proud parcel]

Prove me wrong, I'll wait.

Gas does far too much damage too quickly.

[obsidian wave]

Feel free to try in game. I'm not playing finals tonight or i would

[proud parcel]

I'll accept your concession then.

[obsidian wave]

It's also a rare thing to have nobody shooting at you while inside a gas cloud, which is the only time that statement is true. If you're taking other damage then no, you won't outheal

[proud parcel]

LOL

[obsidian wave]

But either stealing after wiping their team with gas mines on the cashout, or inside a dome. 100% you will outheal

[proud parcel]

This is suboptimal with uncoordinated randoms. A coordinated team doing this kind of perpetual gas is absolutely miserable to play against.

You will absolutely have people shooting at you while you deal with gas everywhere against good players.

Gas is extremely powerful right now and the sooner people accept it the better. Yes, there are counters. No, countering gas is not as easy as using it.

The biggest issue is simply that countering gas is an uphill struggle against a low effort tactic with constant gas mines and nades

[grand ledge]

i have discovered a glitch in the game that seems unintended and also extremely useful as it works for so many things. if you prime a grenade or deployable and melee it will cause the animation to break. you can continue to hold the primed grenade and run. it also skips the prime animation completely when you do throw it. i suggest you try it yourself, it has so many applications

[obsidian wave]

Correct, but i'm talking about a very niche situation. Not complete overall in the game.
Light I run glitch, pyro, smoke so i can counter gas and then remove the fire. Medium/Heavy admittedly I don't bring pyros usually but if i see teams running a lot of gas mines, i will switch (obviously cant in ranked, and in that case I usually just bring a pyro anyways).
Situation I'm referring to, is either wiping a team defending their cashout, and stealing it while inside a gas cloud. Or having a dome on cashout while stealing inside a gas cloud. Technically could destroy the floor the cashout is on, and try to steal that way too but 9/10 times the team will react fast enough to where this situation never actually happens without contest

and since you wanted proof, here you go. Support beam heals the exact amount of damage the gas does. Can this be done in a firefight? No, but either behind cover or long enough to steal a cashout? Absolutely

[grave acorn]

Could you not use a flamethrower to ignite the gas away? Or a flame nade?

[obsidian wave]

You could, flamethrower, flame cannister, pyro grenade all work. But you also introduce another (altough easier) hazard to deal with

[grave acorn]

Yeah flame rarely covers the entire point, usually you can steal without standing in it. Poison meta is awful to play against.

[proud parcel]

Okay, I was incorrect about the healing. I was the one misremembering.

[obsidian wave]

you can also pyro a corner, so it's out of the way as it'll absorb the entire cloud/s

[coarse goblet]

just throw a molly at it

[proud parcel]

The flamethrower is one counter but it's at the detriment of your team since it's a piece of shit

[obsidian wave]

i'd say it's more or less worst than the sledgehammer

[proud parcel]

Sry I just threw another nade

The sledgehammer is better. It at least fucks up buildings.

[obsidian wave]

Sledge at least one shots lights and almost mediums, and has destruction value. Flamethrower just deals damage in short range, and altough it will fuck you up, it's easy to avoid or counter for most comps unless it's a very tight cashout building

[proud parcel]

You can combo heavies with it too

[obsidian wave]

yep, sledge into a charge or vise versa

Wonder how many people know the charge damage increases the higher you fall too lmfao

[proud parcel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/302307229082845191/1183936961233297478/sledge_melee_combo.mp4?ex=658a2638&is=6577b138&hm=f7b61c364932eb2bb2cf5aa3c7a3a05ea28dd52646818852c01fe5482481dfe3&

No, even better. Provided that actually embeds

[obsidian wave]

its requiring a download

[proud parcel]

Whatever I'll just post it

Right click>left click>quick melee

[obsidian wave]

ahhh i didnt think of that

Tbf i hardly play heavy, and even more rare i use a sledge at that. Mostly light with kunais or medium

[proud parcel]

It's just an extension of the right in to left you use for mediums that actually kills heavies without another slow left click

[obsidian wave]

smart

[grand ledge]

i have discovered a glitch in the game that seems unintended and also extremely useful as it works for so many things. if you prime a grenade or deployable and melee it will cause the animation to break. you can continue to hold the primed grenade and run. it also skips the prime animation completely when you do throw it. i suggest you try it yourself, it has so many applications

[obsidian wave]

Sounds the same as just using c4/breacher on a throwable lol

[grand ledge]

its similar

[obsidian wave]

except less damage

makes me wonder if you can put an explo mine on an explo cannister

[proud parcel]

You can

[swift carbon]

Explosive canisters can be slowed down by attaching a sticky throwable to the front. Could be useful for not having canisters fly out of a window after launching them in a building

[crisp river]

the Goo Gun is great fun love blocking someone off as they are shooting at me

then setting it on fire

[obsidian wave]

sounds like such a waste of slots lol

[mystic violet]

Can you trap people with the goo gun then sledgehammer em?

[crisp river]

yeah ive pinned the light rats then sledge em to death its good fun

[mystic violet]

Omg yes! I need 400 for it then it will be my golden ticket for lights. Those little goblins always haul ass away from me.

[jade gale]

anyone know if the totalizer weapon charm from the gold bundle is an actual kill counter ?

[stable igloo]

Per-match I believe

[azure steppe]

Does anyone know if Lights Motion Sensor gadget alerts the enemy they've been pinged like Sonar Grenade does?

[stable igloo]

assuming it still works like beta, it should.

[obsidian wave]

Heavies always fuck me up as light if built right

only way they wouldnt is stun gun, but even then i've bitch slapped lights as medium/heavy with the right guns lol. Aka heavy shotgun or grenade launcher for medium

or running sniper as light, just stay afar and watch em fall

[patent birch]

BRO PLS BUFF TRACKING DART

[short merlin]

Why would you ever use the tracking dart?

[stone saffron]

Because it's a gadget that exists and I want it to be useful

[short merlin]

but its shit right?

[raven pulsar]

that s the point i think

[obsidian wave]

just turn it into a tracking grenade lol

[restive plover]

Imagine playing sniper in the Finals

[compact linden]

Tracking dart is a sonar grenade that can only hit one player and only if you hit that one shot on the one try you get. Seems about right lol

[restive plover]

Don't forget it lasts 15 seconds opposed to the sonar grenade's 10 and has a cooldown of 15 opposed to grenade's 45

[compact linden]

Aaaand you get 2 grenades instead of one dart

[restive plover]

They nerfed dart amount?

This needs fixing then

[compact linden]

I played in in open beta once and I think it only had one shot

Idk if it is more now. Then it would actually be not that bad. Still needs a buff tho

[restive plover]

Ah yes

I just shot an incoming explosive barrel coming at me and it counted as suicide. Lovely

[obsidian wave]

less kills for them

[restive plover]

You get it

[unreal sandal]

[sudden tendon]

What website is dis

[restive plover]

https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Main_Page

[runic turret]

smarty boi

[short merlin]

is this from the wiki?

[short merlin]

oh sry didnt see that.. my bad

[restive plover]

That's correct!

But yes, theoretically you could keep an enemy permanently tracked with darts

[night barn]

Quick usefull guide "pro builds" pictures : https://fxtwitter.com/Zoutriv/status/1734738625093382542

[stable igloo]

This is a good thing in bank it because it denies them a coin lol

[static pecan]

Waht ist the best light loadout

[elfin saffron]

[glass radish]

Depends your play style

[vestal cloak]

Any balance changes in the patch?

[unreal sandal]

Not yet, however you can review the patch notes here #patch-notes.

[subtle plank]

hey i am here to ask how do i equip weapon charms

[vestal cloak]

Pain. I want the very obviously meta stuff to be tapered back a bit 💀

[unreal sandal]

Agreed, I think we all do.

[unreal sandal]

Hey!

When you are on the main page there should be a yellow "edit" option down the bottom in the middle, press that and select your weapon. Underneath the weapon there should be "customize" and you can access the charms via that.

[subtle plank]

yeah i know that but it won't let me equip them

[vestal cloak]

I understand the hesitance, but it's just REALLY obvious how defibs, the heavy shotty, light shotty, and gas are affecting the game's meta in annoyingly unhealthy ways imo. They don't need to be nerfed into the ground, but like a little something would be nice

[warm lion]

you have to select a build before you equip anything

[vestal cloak]

Like make it so defibs need to recharge if you get revived. Easy

[subtle plank]

i've done that too

[warm lion]

contestants> pick build> pick item> customize

if you still can't then report it

[subtle plank]

okay well im in the middle of a match i can't rn

thanks for the help tho

[cursive umbra]

They fixed it! Damage is now consistent across all guns

Thank you devs! Game feel perfect to me now ❤️

Scar takes 10 to kill a medium and ak takes 13. This makes the difference between the two actually noticable and makes it matter way more. #scargang

[warm lion]

it still technically only has a 10 dps advantage

[swift gull]

why does invisible sword build exist

[warm lion]

to teach players to see cloaked players

[agile badger]

for funsies

[civic turret]

The nerfed the heavy shotgun?

[warm lion]

Never have

[south hemlock]

why should they lmfao

[boreal laurel]

That’s already the case.

[warm lion]

cause it's been the best weapon since CB1 and it's getting kinda stale playing against it all the time 💀

[boreal laurel]

I honestly don’t see why everyone is complaining about defibs. It’s one free revive every 20 seconds or so—almost mandatory for worthwhile team play. I wouldn’t call it OP.

[mellow belfry]

Hey guys - so on Heavy - toss up between C4 or explosive mine for my last gadget

any thoughts/hot takes?

Or maybe gas grenade

[warm lion]

c4 easily

[mellow belfry]

Any follow up/thoughts on why?

[warm lion]

you can put it on a barrel
throw it
blow it up
and you can team wipe

[mellow belfry]

oh cool

which barrel? any or is one better trhan others

[warm lion]

i prefer gas and fire ones

explosive ones are just kinda annoying

[stable igloo]

explosive ones are probably not ideal unless you're throwing it a far distance

[mellow belfry]

is c4 any different to breach explosive on light?

[warm lion]

just straight up better on every front
2 charges, bigger aoe bigger damage

[mellow belfry]

oh v nice

[delicate elm]

is anybody having issues with putting skins to weapons and gadgets?

[smoky marten]

explain more of this issue

[fringe sparrow]

why does heavy have faster ttk guns with more bullets while having much more hp compared to medium. And can also carry c4 + rpg + double shields?

[boreal laurel]

Medium has range. Heavy only has RPG (20-30 sec. cooldown) and machine guns (wildly inaccurate). So kind of balanced…

[fringe sparrow]

Have u even played with lewis? can beam at almost same distance as ak. 0 downsides
heavy's autoshotgun is like 10x better than medium's.
No to mention the c4 and rpg that u can combine as a secondary gun... + shields + health. Game balance?!

Dropping on a team with + rpg = free kills.

[inland scaffold]

heavy's machine guns arent that woefully inaccurate

[smoky marten]

whenever i see rpg, i get ptsd.

[stable igloo]

Going to take a wild guess and assume you're trying to add them via equipment rather than contestants>loadout>customize button below the item

[harsh violet]

There is just no reason why any class should have 2 mines each for any kind of mine.

[unreal sandal]

.

[fringe sparrow]

ranked tournament on top 1000 is a mess with rpg + c4 + mine spam. Soo cringe no skill gameplay.
90% of heavys running shotgun + c4 + rpg.

[fringe sparrow]

As a medium main I have heavy ptsd...
Everything about that class is broken

[sand geyser]

mediums should only be allowed to hold 1 gas mine isntead of 2

the same way you can only hold 1 gas grenade but 2 frag grenades

[kindred arrow]

imagine if there was a gadget in this game where you sacrifice the gadget slot but get to bring a 4th person on your team in exchange

[sand geyser]

here's a tip: use the revolver
heavy has a big hitbox so hitting your shots will be easier and revolver absolutely melts

[kindred arrow]

defib can end up essentially being that in a lot of situations

[fringe sparrow]

bruh u seriously trying to teach me how to play?

[sand geyser]

if you're such a veteran then you should already know most if not all counters

I didn't say heavy is unblanced (he is)
I'm just trying to provide a temporary solution so stop being passive agressive

[warm lion]

only if you actually hit headshots
even then by the first shot a heavy can just put up their mesh shield

[fringe sparrow]

everytime i see a team pushing i'm like focus the heavy not dps.
Because in this game the tank does more dps/is more dangerous than the dps 😄

[sand geyser]

yea

the downside to heavy is supposed to be speed but that's not a problem when you can tank everything

[warm lion]

fortification class moment

[fringe sparrow]

a heavy getting close to my team is more dangerous than 2 mediums. Dam shotgun insta kills lights/mediums + rpg and can trow shiedls/mesh in stick sitution and just wait for team mate to cover him/heal

[fickle stump]

Worst advice I’ve heard in a long time lol

[sand geyser]

I guess that's the fate of every heavy class in every game

[restive plover]

.

[fickle stump]

..

[restive plover]

...

[sand geyser]

....

[torn ginkgo]

Because medium isn't a class that's primary focus is damage. They're a support class primarily.

[fringe sparrow]

that's like saying lifeline is support and should do less dmg in apex legends 😂
Medium has ARs, and ARs should do more dmg than LMGs.
Just like smgs should have faster ttk than ARs at short range.

[torn ginkgo]

I don't play Apex so I have no frame of reference. But yes M has lower DPS than L and H because that's how they are balanced. M's main strength is their dominance in the medium range. L's excel in close quarters or long range, and H's are good up close almost exclusively.

[fringe sparrow]

rpg is really ez to hit at mid range. lewis gun is about as good at range as ak. Where is the downside?

[sand geyser]

...

[kindred arrow]

honestly i don't disagree

[torn ginkgo]

The downside is in playing a slower class with no support utility, defibs or heal beam.

[kindred arrow]

mines are stronger than nades in exchange for being stuck to things but then you get barrelmancy involved and they just become lol

[sand geyser]

I dunno all I gotta do is get a drop onto a heavy with an AKM and I kill them 80% of the time

[torn ginkgo]

M's doing less overall damage than L or H is the point

[fringe sparrow]

instead of defib or heal you have dome shield + mesh shield + c4 + rpg. And on top of all that 350hp. You're argument makes 0 sense

[sand geyser]

unless they're using auto shotty ofc

[kindred arrow]

AKM isn't even meta if you're good enough at aiming

[torn ginkgo]

Yeah. Almost like this is a game about classes where you pick a role, and have different strengths and weaknesses.

[sand geyser]

what is meta then?

[kindred arrow]

scar?

[sand geyser]

BAHAHAHHAH

[torn ginkgo]

If you don't think having a healer is valuable, then by all means, don't play M.

[kindred arrow]

with aimbot yeah scar is better than akm

[sand geyser]

nah scar is statistically worse than AKM

less ammo and slower fire rate make for better aim and better long range weapon but not better

the reason why AKM is good is because it's effective at all ranges

[fringe sparrow]

akm just better. You can't spray transfer to people with scar.

[sand geyser]

the only reason why ppl use scar is cause of sights

[torn ginkgo]

valid reason tbh

[sand geyser]

AKM sights aren't bad tho

[torn ginkgo]

Does the SCAR actually do more damage per shot or is that placebo?

[kindred arrow]

it does significantly more

[ebon ledge]

smg kinda sucks now for light

[void sun]

Is the fcar better or the ak

[torn ginkgo]

The MP5 is still meta

shotgun good for assassinations tho

[kindred arrow]

depends if your aim is god tier or not

scar kills faster but has a lot less damage in a mag

[warm lion]

barely faster mind you

[sand geyser]

imo recoil control in this game is easy asf for someone who's been playing tons of CSGO and Apex Legends

especially because the bullets go where your sights are even when you're moving

[torn ginkgo]

yeah this game doesn't really have recoil in general

[kindred arrow]

except m60 (might be from the awful sights on it though)

[sand geyser]

that's why there's almost no argument for choosing a slower weapon variant

even the fastest weapons in the game are easy to control

[warm lion]

fcar just needs a reason to exist beyond being able to kill very slightly faster

[sand geyser]

btw how do ya'll feel about the new invisibility grenade?

[kindred arrow]

technically the lewis is a slower weapon variant

[sand geyser]

yea that's why I don't understand why people pick it

[kindred arrow]

(actually so is the mp5 lmao)

[broken bridge]

The Fcar IS good gun?

[warm lion]

but those are actually just better

[kindred arrow]

because you hit the 250 breakpoint 2 bullets earlier

also the irons dont cover half your screen

like m60 irons are genuinely horrible

[warm lion]

real

[kindred arrow]

have you never used the m60

[sand geyser]

I've never played an other class aside from medium

[warm lion]

bruh

[gentle flicker]

APS turret for the win 🤩

[proud parcel]

The scar does slightly more dps but the AKM has a much higher total damage potential per magazine while being just as accurate.

[warm lion]

very slightly

[terse storm]

Just like me Fr

[dim flume]

remove defib invulnerability plz

[opal junco]

Pls Add Killcams

[dim flume]

heavy shotgun is so brutally op combined with double shield :(

[rocky bison]

scar is better if u have good aim

[keen path]

I hope there’s Gona be more weapons per class I’m already bored of my 5 options lol

[surreal flicker]

Posted in the feedback about this but might be more prevalent for here:
the revolvers recoil/recentering animation while ADSing doesn’t match with how fast the gun fires. Because of this if you fire as fast as possible, the sight is slightly to the left of where the bullet goes and you need to aim the sight pixels to the left side of the enemy. Makes the revolver feel weird to use and most people probably just miss because they don’t know they need to shift their aim

[grizzled falcon]

Make OSPUZE cans throwable that work like the squids from Mario where it messes with the screen

[pure sigil]

Is scroll fire Bannable ?

[true jay]

mfw die instantly after teammate force defib me in middle of warzone

[grizzled flower]

Grenade Launcher needs to have a primary fire for detonation on contact and a secondary fire for a timed explosion like it does now. Otherwise you're practically useless and screwed against people that get close to you. Can remove zoom and use right click for alt fire, don't need to zoom anyway.

[torn maple]

Facts, RPG should be a specialization on a longer cooldown and replaced with something else in the gadgets section.

[dim flume]

perfection

[torn maple]

It honestly makes no sense. Will see someone get defibbed and kill me while invulnerable the entire fight, then turn around and instantly die when a teammate defibs me. 🤷

[left arch]

not a fan of the new flamethrower, I think the damage should the same as it was before. Big fan of the other changes tho. Blinding was annoying and the range reduction seemed reasonable regarding how effective it was on close range

[dim flume]

what?

[weary junco]

Hey guys here are my discoveries of bugs and balance for the game. Please let me know what you think and let me know if i missed anything! https://1drv.ms/w/s!Anbi2IOen-nnwA2DNob6m5SMgyo7?e=WWn2vi

[grizzled flower]

Every automatic weapon needs to have its damage cut in half, especially Medium.

[quick oracle]

doesn't really seem worth using rn

honestly I didn't think it was that crazy before but tbf I didn't use it more than a handful of times

[left arch]

well it was really nice since it did really good aoe damage and has the ability to negate poison gas, on top of that you had the upper hand on almost every close range fight except when fighting a heavy with a sg or hammer. Now even a medium with an ak can kill you faster than you can kill him

[dim flume]

Maybe not damage but it's a bit ridiculous how easy and effective they are across almost all ranges

would like them to not be a consistent countdown to kill against any target

[sand geyser]

sigma

[sand geyser]

yes

the shotgun is too op overall
it should deal less damage

[terse storm]

no

[sand geyser]

when did you start playing this game?

[sand geyser]

it was used by half of heavy players last playtest it was very op

[sand geyser]

I think the reason why people complain is because it's easy to control the recoil. So when I ambush an alone heavy and spray a full magazine into his head I still have like half of my hp left.

[restive plover]

Just run 2 heavys with shotguns, a medium with heals and one Heavy rocks the bin shield easy dubs

[sand geyser]

I know that you can destroy the dome shield but can you destroy the wall shield?