💣┇weapons-gadgets

[spice topaz]

a knife is always a knife until you throw it and it will be upgraded to throwing knife

[tall raft]

hmm yes, like a particle accelerator where a muon only exists for a brief moment, truly remarkable to see the physics of reality break down in front of your eyes for only a fleeting moment

[spice topaz]

!p like a ball is a ball when you use it for like bascket ball it becomes the basket ball

[cosmic totem]

Nerf shotgun pls

[spice topaz]

NOOOO they are great le t them be 😄

[cosmic totem]

i like how they can deleted a Medium with oneshot ye having fun

[spice topaz]

yes i am 🙂

[cosmic totem]

i know if i play shotgun i win everygame but it boring af

[spice topaz]

not like that

but they are useless in range

[cosmic totem]

no need range just cloak go up to backlite

[grave cloak]

FCAR still best medium weapon?

[cosmic totem]

delete the M or L support

[tight fractal]

wondering this too

[spice topaz]

its high risck high reward gun great in close RIP in long range and if you miss or have to reload you are F

but yes if you hit they almost cant react to you

[tight fractal]

appreciate the info thank u sir

[spice topaz]

ahhh you are playing it 😦 im still downloading

[grave cloak]

just had a good game with the AKM but in OB the FCAR blew it out of the water, almost seems unlikely it’ll be the same case now

[obsidian wave]

whats y'alls favorite/best medium gun?

I like the FCAR but feel it lacks at medium-long range

[grave cloak]

in OB the FCAR was easily the best

haven’t tried it yet though in the full release

[tight fractal]

so far im liking the akm but i havent used the fcar enough

[grave cloak]

yeah AKM is feeling wayyyy better now for some reason

[fierce tapir]

that's weird because they nerfed ak and buffed fcar

[obsidian wave]

fcar just has high recoil and low mag i feel but otherwise is good

but idk, not feeling medium that much. Still prefer light or heavy i think, just like the turret lmfao

[small widget]

i disagree, ak can kill 2 mediums in 1 mag, fcar can't

ak's forgiveness just put it on top for me

[safe stag]

what do you guys think about bots with autoshottys sweeping teams

[obsidian wave]

[toxic mesa]

the finals is dog shit why can i not even play one game without it crashing

[grave cloak]

understandable

[toxic mesa]

fix your shit game before i start hacking on it simple

[obsidian wave]

Sounds like a skill issue

[sonic oak]

nah, switching from ak for less things dont really make the fcar all that appealing

[small widget]

we just sweeped a team of 2 of them using auto shotty and barrier

[toxic mesa]

game crashing is a skill issue >? must be an imbread

[sonic oak]

lets wait out like 3 days or until they put out a patch/optimize their servers

[dull ferry]

日本人おらず？

[obsidian wave]

ok throwing knives are fun asf holy crap

[grave cloak]

FCAR was just MELTING when i used it🤷🏻‍♂️

[sonic oak]

yea if you know how to lead the knives on mid - long ranges it does give some sweet dopamine, not to mention the cool animations its got

[obsidian wave]

not a fan of the right click tho

[uncut lance]

I think the sound of kunai is a bit weired ? it sound like some metal pipe dropping, not sure about the Card skin also have the same sound or not.

[upbeat laurel]

Anyone got a good loadout for med and heavy

[terse storm]

Chat FCAR has the same damage as the AKM I will fight anyone who thinks FCAR over AK

[sonic oak]

it does kinda take long to charge up and is onl really good as a like 50 hp finisher at most

[upbeat laurel]

Wait

Why is he right?

[terse storm]

You can deadass go into your equipment tab right now and check it😭

It's been like this since the OB

[upbeat laurel]

Ak just better then

[obsidian wave]

i still melt ak users with fcar

[craggy island]

The stun gun feels like it does nothing now

[terse yoke]

v9s is garbage now

[terse storm]

I tried using the FCAR and was getting melted by AK kids😭

[sonic oak]

what benefits does the fcar have over the ak?

[grave cloak]

AK has that pretty nice weapon skin in the store too

[grave cloak]

range, reload speed, accuracy

[sonic oak]

as well as the bp beta skin which is pretty nice

[uncut lance]

I run med with
Healing gun - AKM / Jumpad / Zipline / revive
and heavy I usually do
Shield - Shotgun(Auto) / RPG / Drome shield / C4

What FCAR only benefit when you are the head aimer if you not do headshot it useless

[sonic oak]

that's probably fair for most long ranged engagements, i probably prefer ak since i keep getting into close to mid engagements

[grave cloak]

yeah i don’t really find myself in long range fights, usually just a guy tryna dink me from a roof on the other side of the arena

[fallen compass]

The knives are really fun, but the right click is terrible and needs to be fixed. 90% of the time that you use it you will die. One solution could be for you to hold down right click to charge it up and having it shoot when you release so you have more control over it. It could increase in velocity and damage the longer you hold it for example.

I also think that when you left click the first knife should shoot immediately wherever your crosshair is instead of waiting 1/4 of a second for the animation to play. This would make it more consistent and it would feel way better.

[obsidian wave]

so playing with knives, right click has longer range and less fall

[fallen compass]

But it takes over a second of wind up to shoot as of right now

[hazy flame]

thoughts on V9S? imo best light weapon

[obsidian wave]

ok but wtf is the range on this sledgehammer?

[sonic oak]

roof campers gon get mad at that right click suggestion but it does scratch my brain good

[obsidian wave]

dude just smacked me like 5 feet away

[sonic oak]

pistol shotgun and the sword probably top 3 for me

[uncut lance]

isnt the same range with smash with weapon ?

[obsidian wave]

idk but dude smacked me way far away.

[thin vault]

what are your guys's opinion on the pistol

[uncut lance]

maybe lagging ?

[obsidian wave]

also think the throw knives are 10/10 for light. Having so much fun and so fast to kill with

[sonic oak]

its got really great damage for such high rate of fire for opponents who wouldn't really react or move that much other than other light builds

pistol is kinda goated ever since

at least i knos its better than the garand rifle for sure

[fallen compass]

If they make the knives feel just a little bit better to use, I think would just main them tbh

[obsidian wave]

they feel great, just sucks theyre only for lights and not medium cause lights die so quick

think i need to run invis with it, grapple is great but close range/knives feels off

[sonic oak]

i don't think it fits in with the general theme of medium's kit

[hazy flame]

Is there a reason to place guardian turret in middle of fight or just time lost?

[obsidian wave]

i mean they have a riot kit, i dont see why not

[fallen compass]

I use the dodge with c4, invisible nade, and zap gun

[obsidian wave]

i feel light would have riot, mediums would have a melee set

[fallen compass]

I think that you need to be as fast as the light class for the knives to feel good

[strange tundra]

need someone who has done all there ranked games so we can play comp oce diamond beta

need someone who has done all there ranked games so we can play comp oce diamond beta

[sonic oak]

i mean like with the motif of weapons they got, lights are like thr ninjas, medium are the like the average utility soldier, and the heavy bonks your life with his gladiator sledge (or lollipop)

[strange tundra]

need someone who has done all there ranked games so we can play comp oce diamond beta

[obsidian wave]

fair, i'd be down for any weapon like throw knives for medium tho. Not a fan of their guns. All heavy recoil or clunky i feel

[sonic oak]

closest thing i could think of is like a burst dart launcher or something

[small widget]

have you considered going to the LFG channels and not spamming a discussion channel?

[river eagle]

feel like the stun gun was what balanced light against heavy so idk abt the change to it

[obsidian wave]

stun was a bit op

[strange tundra]

lol which is where

[obsidian wave]

havent tried it since

[upbeat laurel]

#lfg-oce-casual

[sonic oak]

but it did do the job of closing the gap between lights and heavies fr

[river eagle]

i guess it was but i dont really see the use now the movement speed debuff wasnt that good tbh

[obsidian wave]

ok this game i will admit knives be kinda hard to play with lol

[terse storm]

Recoil is random in this game right?

[upbeat laurel]

Idk

[vestal flame]

Anyone know what the best build for being strong hitting but also fast enough to get out at the same time . I'm also kinda looking for a good shotgun build

[verbal valley]

Which class?

[fathom merlin]

Light 👀

[verbal valley]

Are you him or what?

[fathom merlin]

Nah I'm just wondering lmao

[verbal valley]

Well then invisibility grenade is good combined with grapple

And the weapons depend on how you play

[obsidian wave]

sniper is good but not great close combat

[vestal flame]

Medium

[obsidian wave]

can hit some nasty quick scopes, but it's very hit or miss and 9/10 times you die in cqc

[fathom merlin]

I like going invisible

[vestal flame]

I'm medium

[fathom merlin]

It goes brrrr

[tall raft]

quick scoping is still possible, which can help

[indigo solstice]

Hammer on top

[stable sphinx]

Medium needs a slight damage buff on AK and Scar. An extended mag on some of the L guns might be nice too

[obsidian wave]

yeah, but cqc its hard to quickscope lights or sometimes mediums depending on the situation. if theyre like melee distance on you, its over

[verbal valley]

Medium is good with jump pad, sonar grenade and defib, but escaping is hard, maybe add zipline instead of jump pad to get away easy

[vestal flame]

Alr thx

[tall raft]

i personally like that the 'reliable' weapons aren't the best

[verbal valley]

But it also depends if you are a support or dps

[vestal flame]

I still gotta get the shotgun tho tbh

[fathom merlin]

Pistol still good for light?

[indigo solstice]

Hammer is the only way

[verbal valley]

Hammer is good

[indigo solstice]

Hammer is such a vibe, smashing through walls is fun

[verbal valley]

Mmm yes waiting 10 years for one wall to be destroyed

[stone basalt]

anyone tried throwing knives here? i found them to be a ton of fun

[fathom merlin]

Not yet, been wondering that myself

[obsidian wave]

yes theyre fun asf

[indigo solstice]

Wdym? They get destroyed instantly

[indigo solstice]

I tried them then I realised I prefer smacking people with a hammer

[fathom merlin]

I like sneaking around and go brrrr

[stable sphinx]

Shield and hammer goes crazy if you know how to control

[obsidian wave]

i feel like TK needs invis for you to actually move around and get close enuf to kill

[fathom merlin]

Bro killed me with that combo😔

[stone basalt]

i just can’t play anything that isn’t light class. well no, i can, but i prefer not to, cuz i really really really love fast-paced games and obviously light feels much faster

[stable sphinx]

Walk em down lmao

[indigo solstice]

I liked light to begin with for that exact reason, but I just wanted to meme with the hammer and found it's actually not bad at all, especially with some tactical ways to use it, like I've used it to knock the floor below the cash out to cancel the team stealing for example

[fathom merlin]

Same love light class too much lmao

[stone basalt]

oh i’m not saying it can’t be fun/good, i saw my friend playing with a hammer and with the skin he picked it looked absolutely hilarious

[indigo solstice]

In OB me and my team rocked suits with animal masks, and I was swinging around a giant lollipop so that was fun

[tall raft]

Exactly, the more situational weapons should be a bit stronger because you have to actually use your brain to put yourself in that situation. People just want to see an enemy and point and click and expect to win games without using their brain.

[obsidian wave]

throw knives just seem hit or miss on the game. Just 1v1'ed heavies like it was nothing, and even had a 3v1 that i almost won. Close range theyre amazing, in distance or if they see you first then its gg it seems like

just gotta be fast asf boi lmfao

[stone basalt]

honestly my biggest gripe with melee weapons is the fact that you’re extremely vulnerable against pretty much anyone who’s faster than you, like i can’t imagine someone with a hammer would win against, say, a light with evasive dash. assuming the light is at least decent at the game

[obsidian wave]

except it almost 1 shots lights dont it? or if not then rpg

[tall raft]

Grapple or dodge plus the invis grenade is an absolute must with throwing knives

[indigo solstice]

That's where the rpg comes in

[rare storm]

it also kills people through walls with right click so if u know someone is above you go ahead

[indigo solstice]

RPG is fair imo too bc it's cd is long long

[stone basalt]

didn’t they nerf it? i remember just yesterday someone shot me with it and it said about 80 dmg

[indigo solstice]

Ik it's so fun

[obsidian wave]

60 damage per but fast rof

[indigo solstice]

The right click one shots lights still

[obsidian wave]

cqc you can hit 2 per throw

[rare storm]

I love how my heavy build is literally the autistic son of reinhardt and winston

[stone basalt]

alright, then it’s just a matter of loadout and skillset. i say it’s good balancing right here

[rare storm]

hammer charge, quick melee and rocket combos with like animation cancels go so hard too

[indigo solstice]

I think the game is balanced quite well and everyone is crying over it

[rare storm]

click melee one shots lights, click melee charge kills mediums fast... so on

[indigo solstice]

The only buffs that I think are needed are to the akm and fcar bc they both suck

I did a sick combo yesterday I used my charge to round up a team and then swung my hammer for the triple kill

[stone basalt]

i zeroed four dudes in a row then killed someone with a gas barrel, felt amazing, would do again

[indigo solstice]

I like the attention to detail that heavies throw things further

[stone basalt]

that moment i realised that ED >>> GH for me

[warped swan]

LOL

[obsidian wave]

what about the invis Q skill? or grapple + invis grenade better?
Been running gas grenade, breach and smoke with grapple and throw knives and feel i need a change. grapple is good but i rarely use it during combat unless im fleeing

[hardy arrow]

Dodge throwing knives the best

[obsidian wave]

interesting. Will have to use it, and probably try and switch smokes for invis grenades. Does it invis you as well on use or only team?

[hardy arrow]

Just dash behind people and left click

[obsidian wave]

yeppp lmfao

my fav is sitting behind a corner on a cashout vault waiting for someone to try and steal, just gg them in 2 hits

[plucky briar]

are knives good

[severe vector]

I've seen some people quite good at them

[obsidian wave]

they take practice for sure

[tall raft]

expect to suck ass at the knives for the first few games

they are designed for close quarters

[obsidian wave]

and heavys with auto shottys will fuck you every time

[severe vector]

some objective areas are like outright wide open spaces vs. others, that's generally why they let you take two loadouts in, in case one loadout is just a bad pick

[small widget]

i double barrell 100% of the time

[hardy arrow]

knives are bad but good against bad players

[tall raft]

double barrel is easily better than the throwing knives, but the knives are way more fun

[obsidian wave]

i disagree. If you cant hit shots on double barrel its super unforgiving. knives so easy to hit with

[tall raft]

the burst damage on the double barrel is unmatched though

[obsidian wave]

i was being chased as a medium by a light with shotty and kept outmaneuvering and he couldnt get his shots on me. Kept throwing mines behind me while going upstairs

for sure. Just requires hitting both shots or you can get gg'ed

[tall raft]

well you shouldn't chase with the shotty, you are supposed to get in range without being noticed and blast them point blank

[undone meadow]

True yea but it doesn’t really work against heavy

I haven’t played with the knifes tho so I wouldn’t know what it’s like against heavy

[obsidian wave]

knives work good against heavy unless they rpg you (get close enuf so they kill themselves too) or have the auto shotty

[tall raft]

double barrel is much better, especially with heavy bigger hitbox

[undone meadow]

Ahh true when I was playing before they had the heavy shotgun

[obsidian wave]

yeah heavy shotgun just merks in cqc faster than you can knife them

maybe with stun gun but only 1v1

[tall raft]

i feel like playing with throwing knives and the shotty teaches you a lot about how to actually play light and stay alive - hit and run tactics - because if you then use the mac10 using the same strategy (avoiding getting spotted, getting up close and headshot, quick escape) the mac10 is just insane

[small widget]

i have so much fun with the DB

[obsidian wave]

yeah thats what made me play light again. Seeing a teammate with mac10, and just annihilating people

[small widget]

oh we can't share pics here rip

[tall raft]

you can you just need to chat more in the discord to level up

[small widget]

ahhh ok

[tall raft]

yeah just so new people dont spam

[small widget]

yea that makes sense. had some nice matches with the DB wanted to flex a lil haha

[obsidian wave]

ngl wish we could bring 3 guns, would love to have like mac10, knives, and sniper

[novel island]

The knives are the most fun weapons in the game Im addicted to using them even if they feel a little weaker

[obsidian wave]

some games i obliterate with em. some i just cannot do shit and die every time i engage. Just depends

really depends if the teams stay as 3, and if your team engages with you or if you kinda have to go in solo and hope for the best lmfao

if you can get double or triple knives, its nasty what you can do

[tall raft]

i think if they buff the knives right click damage they could be balanced

[small widget]

i just want rpgs nerfed lol

[obsidian wave]

Not even damage, just the rof for right click
shouldnt be a 2s delay

[severe vector]

Rpgs are how I get ya'll floaty objectives down to me :3 Lol

[small widget]

i ust mean damage towards players

i had one game i was getting slapped, 14 deaths and 9 of them were from RPGs

[graceful spruce]

When you level up the specializations, what exactly are the rewards you get? I've got the Level 2 Grappling Hook for Light but Im not really sure what the "Arena Acrobat" thing actually does?

[obsidian wave]

yeah rpgs shouldnt 1 shot lights

[small widget]

cosmetics

[graceful spruce]

How do you equip them? I can't select anything on the actually grappling hook screen (skins/charms/stickers/animations). I'd send an Image but no perms 😦

[obsidian wave]

Contestants, then you can edit your items (all of them). Different skins, charms for weapons, stickers etc

[small widget]

go to contestants and edit, and then hover over one of your items and customize

[graceful spruce]

Thank You ❤️

[tall raft]

nah i can only kill noobs with these throwing knives, this is dumb

[obsidian wave]

the range on this pellet shotgun is insane

[kindred arrow]

in order: sticker, taunt, spray, charm

for specs with actual models (goo gun, healing beam, sentry) you instead just get the same skins as always

also, light thermal vision gadget does not have a model so it has those same alt rewards

[obsidian wave]

ahhh you can equip 3 guns now. Didnt know that

[tall raft]

wut, no you cant

[lyric cove]

for thermal vision i think its best to activate when you press the equipped slot instead of having to activate it afterwards by clicking. same animatiion times but it feels the extra step is just not necessary

[obsidian wave]

in your loadout yes. not at the same time on your person, but you can bring 3 guns that you can swap between

[tall raft]

you could always do that

[obsidian wave]

idr it in OB, but i dont know if i ever tried tbh

[tall raft]

you didnt try

[obsidian wave]

cus now i can have sniper, knives, and mac10 dont need to suffer cus i didnt bring one

[sharp berry]

If you get this code, TFLA0004, it proves that you've been abandoned by the game and no matter how much money you charge, customer service will ignore you and you won't get any useful help from the community who will just tell you that soon, just like the boss who promised to give you a raise next time

[undone turret]

Which weapon you reccomend on heavy now? Lewis, shotty?

[small widget]

probably both, with one in reserve

[kindred arrow]

i get that you're frustrated with this company's horrible QA team but you didnt have to post this in literally every channel in the server

[small widget]

wow he literally did lmao

[analog pasture]

The SCAR needs to do more damage, right now its pretty useless.

[tall raft]

buff throwing knives

[obsidian wave]

How is the Lewis compared to m60

[tall raft]

i always preferred lewis in the betas

[dawn bronze]

I wish I would get a very smaal speed boost when eqipping the baton :/

[steep canopy]

at least buff the speed of the alt fire xD

[tall raft]

buff something about it, i dont care, it just needs a little bit of love when there are so many easier weapons to pick instead

[steep canopy]

the spam is fun, but that alt fire is so tricky to use and such a downtime in firing

[tall raft]

alt fire is pointless

[steep canopy]

I love the idea of a skill-based snipe with them, but its almost unviable to use

I'm sure if I dedicated some time to practice then maybe it would be easier, but currently and en masse, it's not werf

[tall raft]

im going full masochistic playing these knives, im determined to get good with them, cant bring myself to swap to another weapon

[wispy sleet]

I personally love the sledge on heavy, it’s so satisfying to use

[steep canopy]

I wish the best of luck to you ❤️
did get damage figures, need to sort out RPM for TTKs but if you want an idea of how many knives it takes, here you go:

[kindred arrow]

melee is in a really weird (bad, tbh) design space

[small widget]

talking about the standard melee with v?

[tall raft]

i reckon you get 4 left clicks in the same time as a single right click

[pseudo owl]

Also I disagree, melee in terms of the weapons are amazing. Better than any fps out there

[kindred arrow]

by bad design i mean noob farmer weapon

[small widget]

makes you learn to respect the melee weapons pretty quick lol

[pseudo owl]

Gonna be honest I have no clue what you mean

[steep canopy]

I feel you're right on that, but I'll do the proper breakdown later today, need to update all my stats

[kindred arrow]

in ranked melee weapons are mostly worthless, in random casual games you smash the 5 hour players in the face because they dont know how to deal with it yet

[pseudo owl]

Must not be very good with melee weapons I guess lmao

[wind raven]

The lewis invalidates the M60

It seems to be better at everything I've used it for

[kindred arrow]

c4 on throwable objects feels very broken

(in a funny way)

[small widget]

i abuse the FRICK out of it lol i am pretty much never not running around with a barrel and c4 attached to it lol

[high delta]

i still have to try that lol

[small widget]

im willing to bet over a 100 of my 500ish kills right now are from doing that

[tall raft]

i think it does 60 damage

[kindred arrow]

you can tell c4 is not balanced for being able to actually use it on enemies, good enough timing will oneshot mediums

[small widget]

it's disgusting i'll throw them at heavies to to open my engagement then dash in with a double barrel and clean them up

[tall raft]

man im getting real sick of only doing 240 damage to mediums with these knives and dying

[kindred arrow]

they intentionally do that in this game to encourage literally 1 bullet of assistance from the teammates using automatic weapons; magnum, shotguns, throwing knives, and sniper all have just-off-oneshot damage

[steep canopy]

or to throw a headshot in the mix 😛

[eager cairn]

anyone knows what gun levels are for or are they just for cosmetics?

[steep canopy]

cosmetics, can unlock specific skins for getting levels

[kindred arrow]

a heavy with an MG will do at least 20 damage a shot, and same thing goes for a medium with an AR (a light with an SMG will do at least 15)

[kindred arrow]

in order; yellow, blue, red, white, triangle chromatic

triangle twinkle looks better than most of the paid skins to be honest

[eager cairn]

thanks

[eager cairn]

Thank you. I agree though, level unlocks are better i like level 5 ones

Also, only collection maybe a little good looking is the Magnanimous manga

[eager cairn]

And here I was thinking that gun levels increase stats as well XD

[kindred arrow]

i just accidentally threw a c4 into someone else's bullet and they killed themselves with it

[eager cairn]

😅 , i use the CL-40 and sometimes if anyone gets close, the splash damage also gets me

[smoky tide]

I sure do wish the mediums shotgun wasnt a sniper

[tall raft]

please delete the silenced pistol

[steep canopy]

for being bad now?

[tall raft]

for being op

[kindred arrow]

they shouldve just outright made it a lever action rifle but they only wanted light to have long range weapons

[restive plover]

What is the maximum team size?

[kindred arrow]

3 is the max and min

[fringe sparrow]

🤣 xp54 and lh1 both better than v9s

[terse yoke]

change the v9s damage. it is garbage now . there is no good weapon for lights.

[small widget]

wot

[fringe sparrow]

please nerf heavy shotgun and rpg!

[cosmic elk]

^^

[tall raft]

its OP compared to throwing knives at least

[small widget]

i second the rpg nerf

[terse yoke]

+1

[kindred arrow]

rpg is fine, only lights complain about it

[steep canopy]

I'll play devils advocate...everything is OP when next to knives 😛

[small widget]

we're the only one who has to complain about it lol

[fringe sparrow]

bro i'm medium main and i hate it. I'd be okay with 150dmg max and only on direct hits not splash dmg

[small widget]

either nerf rpg or give lights enough hp to not be 1 shot by them

[kindred arrow]

medium mains should be more mad about heavies using c4 explosive barrels because that's what oneshots them

[cosmic elk]

+1

[peak sundial]

is the throwing knife actually good?

[fringe sparrow]

rpg is way way worse

[small widget]

if you land your shots, it's pretty good yea

[peak sundial]

ok ill get it

[kindred arrow]

rpg compromise: 90 damage a shot but 2 rockets

[small widget]

it's very hard to use though

[small widget]

acceptable, and leave it's damage to structures alone, that is fine. it just needs a bit less damage towards players

[fringe sparrow]

even if u're medium u get hit by 180 random rpg nothing u can do to win the fight. I once chaceed a low hp heavy. He just waited around the corner with rpg and kill him and me because i wasn't full

[kindred arrow]

that's what i meant, yes, make it a long range fast destruction tool that's also an emergency finisher instead of a funny oneshot gun

[steep canopy]

@peak sundial

[kindred arrow]

i almost never see people using RPG for destruction which is its actual intended purpose because you get 1 rocket every like 40 seconds

[small widget]

i'll happily trade my one shot c4 funny barrels for a better balanced RPG lol

[kindred arrow]

i would be honored

you only need 1 c4 with any damaging barrel though (gas can be chancy at the very edge of the cloud)

c4 does 239 at max ramping and one tick of anything will kill a medium at that point

not sure what they were thinking with that

[fringe sparrow]

c4 is very strong yes, especially when you combine with rpg you can finish a team camping the cashout ez.

Heavy is soo dam strong, like u can carry c4 +rpg + main gun and 350hp. no downsides whatsoever. You have worse mobility but then you have dome + mesh shield that more than compensate for that if you're playing with team

I personally don't like the playstyle heavy caters too

[half shadow]

Everything has a counter play in the game, just got to find it

[winged spear]

Like if you hate light when using medium use model 1887, cause if you get lucky it’s a one tap

[kindred arrow]

i dont think you can oneshot a medium with the model

[fringe sparrow]

bro, lights die soo fast with pretty much any gun. And this is from medium main.

[winged spear]

Ya that’s fair

[minor olive]

if a light is good theyre really good but otherwise yeah easy to kill

[fringe sparrow]

not rly. Never had issues with lights.

[small widget]

i be racking up hella kills with these losses tho

[winged spear]

They do to much damage some times I’m not ganna lie, if they can land a couple of head shot it’s game over in a 1v1

[summer spear]

I am a big fan of the AK nerf. With the CL 40, I can consistently win duels if I can land my first 3 shots. If I miss them, I lose.

Feels very fair.

[fringe sparrow]

i feel the only people that have issues with lights are average or below average. Since light relies the most on positioning, angles and good aim. If you also have good aim they don't stand a chance

[fringe sparrow]

even with ak nerf.... it's till strong 😄

[restive plover]

wish they had a silent steal ability

[winged spear]

That’s asking a lot, they have a similar time to kill as you and on average get the first shot off

[summer spear]

AK is not shit, by any means. But in CB2 it felt like a losing battle, with the CL 40.

Now it feels more balanced. CL 40 wins in head on duel, but AK has more long range capability.

[summer spear]

Lights are fine IMO. You 2 shot them with the CL40.

[fringe sparrow]

i really didn't like cl40 state at all. Like felt a bit cheesy. Similar to flametrower, as in no skill. No need to aim, just spam and be annoying while doing a lot of dmg

[winged spear]

I’m trying to say they are balanced as they are, they aren’t struggling right now.

[fringe sparrow]

bro whaT?!?!? I got banned never cheated in my life. Check my steam, it's linked

[winged spear]

💀

[mental cliff]

Me two, i dont understant why

Winning a round, then stuck in the Loadingscreen and 10sec later banned. GG WP

[fringe sparrow]

nvm seems a lot of people got banned

[wintry thicket]

we catch our first hacker

[fringe sparrow]

the only things i had running in the background were steam, discord, spotify and AhK for media keys.

[wintry thicket]

ahk gg

[fringe sparrow]

nah, i always used it only for media keys. simple script. Never got banned in other games. Pretty sure the anti cheat can read the script

[keen wagon]

lol noob

[fringe sparrow]

bro this is my ahk imagine getting banned for this:
<^>!j::sendinput {Media_Prev}
<^>!l::sendinput {Media_Next}
<^>!k::sendinput {Media_Play_Pause}
<^>!m::sendinput {Volume_Mute}
<^>!.::sendinput {Volume_Up}
<^>!,::sendinput {Volume_Down}

[summer spear]

CL40 is just different from what youre used to from normal shooters.

Noone would say that demoman, or soldier from TF2 are easy to play.

Its a different skillset. Air shots and body shots are very hard.

This is why its dangerous to fight mid-range against hitscan. Especilly on rooftops.

[kindred arrow]

i think eac hates ahk but i'm not sure if it's actually that or if this is a general bug

[fringe sparrow]

i played apex for 2000h and it uses EAC. Didn't get banned for ahk

[fringe sparrow]

prob just got reported a lot. Had a lot of 20+kill games and 33 kill game

[restive plover]

just because it works in Apex doesnt mean it will somewhere else, just saying lol

[kindred arrow]

allegedly it's shadowplay apparently

this is based off of one guy who seemed very confident saying that it was that and a known issue so i'm assuming support responded to him and said that

[restive plover]

remember, all the people who are complaining about getting banned, this is the internet, the finals is freetoplay, they'll usually say anything to get unbanned or find excuses. There is 99% always more to the story than the person getting banned is saying

[swift carbon]

A decoy similar to Holo Pilot from Titanfall 2 would be cool

[kindred arrow]

ok but i think its too early for hacks yet

[restive plover]

nope

[fringe sparrow]

really? i've been active here since CLOSED BETA!! Also look at my steam profile, what reason do i have to cheat?

[quasi falcon]

Great game guys, really enjoying it so far. My only question is there any plans to add some scopes to the guns. I really dislike iron sites always have. Would be nice to have options besides the scar. Keep up the work great game.

[candid fox]

Is there cheats already on pc?

I mean im sure people on console are already using mnk but still

[kindred arrow]

i know this is from a place of incredulity but honestly this is probably a bad question to ask on the official discord for a game

[candid fox]

I see that, im just a shocked console player

[restive plover]

There are literally already over 30

[kindred arrow]

i mean, they couldve developed them off of the open beta

[candid fox]

It seems really fast to develop already

[terse yoke]

change the v9s . its too weak .

[kindred arrow]

but it seems unlikely that so many people have been hacking and already banned by automatic anticheat

[candid fox]

But still do they not take like super long to develop?

[restive plover]

Game is free to play, game is out not even 48h, they'll fix everything

[restive plover]

they already developed them in the playtests, then just gotta update through release

[kindred arrow]

f2p isnt an excuse these days lol

[candid fox]

Yeah guess so

[restive plover]

EAC works good but just too late, they gotta add something, i'm sure they will

[fringe sparrow]

my guess. AHK got me banned. That or too many reports. Either way it's not fair, since I only use AHK for media keys and the script is visible to the anti cheat.

I don't have any overlays, clean nvidia driver without experience bs

[pseudo owl]

wdym?

[kindred arrow]

"its f2p" is not an excuse for a game to have issues because most games are f2p at this point

is what i meant, anyway

[pseudo owl]

I mean it's not the best excuse but's still reasonable. Nothing forces you to play a f2p game and it's not like you got robbed of 70$.

If you cant handle the issues then dont play it

End of the day you just have to wait for it to improve like all games

[crude zinc]

Heal x APS double/triple MM is op asf

[small widget]

yeah it's super hard to fight

[fringe sparrow]

yo guys, i can already play. Maybe support removed my ban after appeal. Didn't get a reply though. Or maybe just server issues?!

[weary moth]

hey , sbmm is present ?

[crude zinc]

most likely removed since many people got false banned

[grand parcel]

3x Turret > 3x Heal (Prove me wrong [I am top 100 and 6'2 btw])

[wintry lantern]

No sustain. 2x medic medium with shield shogun tank is the meta.

[gaunt wyvern]

Well. Open beta was ruled by 2 mediums heal botting a dual shield heavy. I'd assume it'll happen again

[wintry lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/diamond1-gif-27688075

[grand parcel]

Counter argument turret go: brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Pocket medic go: I like kissing black men😚

[kindred arrow]

nothing was done to nerf mediums other than ak recoil and nothing was done to nerf heavy shield shotgun at all

im amazed that they didn't nerf the shotty

[gaunt wyvern]

Yeah I didn't even notice the recoil diff on the AK tbh. But I already had 60 hours of using it under my belt from previous betas lol

[tight mist]

Did they nerf the LH1 fire rate ?

[signal arch]

a gas mask would be nice and nerf the frickin heavy shootgun

[reef meteor]

What`s with model 1887? Its so hard to realize damage

[small widget]

whatcha mean?

[crude zinc]

yea so every damage you take is bad, high ground against triple turret with no heals is a ez win

[reef meteor]

On beta thats was one of my favorite guns. AK, QL and model 1887. On relise i can`t shoot well on model 1887

[crude zinc]

(rank unironically does not matter in prev beta since its just who grinds the most)

[gaunt wyvern]

Plus during OB half the lobbys were missing a team or 2 per round lol

[winter hedge]

Can anyone explain to me what "Career Levels" are? I'm LVL 6 and some items are locked and their description says "Acquired at Career Level 2".

[safe patrol]

that's the individual level of the weapon
it gets more xp as you use it, you can see it when inspecting said weapon in the menu

[crude zinc]

nah that was not the case for me but any player with half a brain could progress since losing elo was only possible if u lost the first tournament stage

[winter hedge]

I see, thank you!

[gaunt wyvern]

Dang. I played a tournament match during OB and it was just a 1v1. Funnest game I've ever had so far lol

[kindred arrow]

max 300 now down from 400

[royal python]

#givepistolsassecondariestonerflightmelee

[foggy furnace]

tf does that even mean 😭

[cinder coyote]

give pistols as secondaries to nerf light melee

but tbh, I have no clue why that would be a good Idea

[warm lion]

secondary weapons aren't happening bro @royal python

[gaunt wyvern]

I was having a stroke trying to decipher that lol

[cinder coyote]

I only decoded what TakTik6464 said

[warm lion]

oh right

there we go

it wouldn't even nerf melee

[gaunt wyvern]

The closest thing you'll get to a secondary is the heavy rpg

[cinder coyote]

also, melee is not op in my opinion

[warm lion]

it's got less range so yeah

[cinder coyote]

rocket launcher in the face of light trying to melee intensifies

[warm lion]

true combo

[steep canopy]

Just ran the numbers on the throwing knives, actually fairly competitive TTK wise. Need to run everything else still, but against previous betas hitting crits with them puts them in top quarter of all weapons on all classes. Pretty impressive, worth getting gud with them

[warm lion]

don't forget never needing to reload

[gaunt wyvern]

Unironically just played a game with a guy using the knives and he kinda wiped the floor ngl

I joined late and the guy was getting team wipes by himself lol

[royal python]

Hmmm, i saw concepts of bow and slingshot somewhere, any chance to see that added?

[torpid perch]

mnk is working for u guys on ps5?

[royal python]

Oh, forgot to remove the thing...

[safe stag]

fcar or akm?

[leaden leaf]

Hey guys I just wanted to give some feedback about the light class. As of right now, with the current nerfs, the light class is at an all time low. The light class heavily depends on their movement in order to make plays within THE FINALS. Due to the nerfs on the stun gun and the cloaking device, the light class feels helpless when in combat with mediums and heavies. My suggestion is this:

• Keep the cloaking device the way it is, as I believe this is a good change to the way the device works now & it’s more balanced.

• Make the V9S slightly stronger has the TTK heavies and mediums makes it nearly impossible to have head to head combat with either of them.

The next one is the most important one

• Bring back the stun gun sensitivity debuff but rework it. I believe this was a vital part of the light classes utility as they rely on their movement to manoeuvre around their opponents to kill them as they have a tremendous HP difference compared to mediums and heavies.

For the rework, you can base the sensitivity debuff based on the current HP of the opponent it was used on. EX: someone with 50 hp would be able to turn faster when stunned compared to someone with 300 HP. This would balance the stun gun mechanics without nerfing it to the ground or making it too strong. It would be a nice balance between the beta stun gun and the current state of the stun gun. I would suggest to base it off of a % this way the affects of the stun gun would be balanced regardless of HP.

The math:

(Current player HP / total class HP) x 20% = the % of sensitivity that would be debuffed

Example:

(290/350)x0.2=16.5%

16.5% would be the total sensitivity % that the user would be bebuffed in this situation.

Let me know what you guys think and feel free to play with the %/#’s

[crude zinc]

the v9s is literally the same just you cant snipe with it

sounds like a massive copium post

[leaden leaf]

Just basing it off what I’ve heard so far, haven’t used it myself yet

[high marten]

i think the db could use a reload buff or a fire rate buff but not both

[warm lion]

ok but you are never supposed to go head to head against literally anyone as light

[crude zinc]

Yea dont listen to most players, they dont even know how to hold a mouse... not to sound mean but thats the truth

[grim heart]

Fuck the stun gun sensitivity shit it's perfect where it is now

[leaden leaf]

There is no sensitivity debuff with the stun gun?? A heavy and turn and kill you in 3 bullets?

[crude zinc]

correct

[crude zinc]

hit your bullets and that wont happen

[grim heart]

Yes as it should be

[leaden leaf]

You guys really have no clue how a competitive game should feel do you lol

[high marten]

you have insane movement options

[leaden leaf]

Light is useless now and I’m not even a light main

[warm lion]

skill issue
it has glitch from 2 sources

[crude zinc]

you are saying we dont know how a competitive game should feel but make such a post without any knowledge LMAO

[cinder coyote]

depends

[grim heart]

Lights need a buff but the stun gun is fine rn feels way better for all players now

[leaden leaf]

Movement animations were changed since beta.

[crude zinc]

light does not need a buff keep it as it is

[cinder coyote]

sniper rifle headshots and dagger backstab paired with invis/dash is actually not too bad

[leaden leaf]

No knowledge? Tf are you talking about buddy

[crude zinc]

force players to learn techniques and the environment and not w+m1 into players like a zombie

[high marten]

the db can still one shot a medium actually

[grim heart]

You can throw knives while invis don't know if that's a bug tho

[warm lion]

literally using anecdotes

[leaden leaf]

• patch notes? Seems like lights have been nerfed to the group imo

[high marten]

and is still a consistent two shot, it just shoots slow and reloads slow

[kindred arrow]

reminder that rpg does double self damage

[crude zinc]

light is fine at it is, learn to aim learn to use movement environment gadgets and you wont me coping about it

[leaden leaf]

it’s ok you can have fun in your bronze lobbies all you want, light isn’t viable for competitive play.

[cinder coyote]

youtch

[crude zinc]

diamond 2

[kindred arrow]

lights got a meaningful net nerf for most of their meta picks (got smokebombs but still) while medic mediums got a slight akm recoil and shotgun heavies got nothing

[leaden leaf]

Immortal 3 in Val/Diamond 2 in Siege, I can aim.

[crude zinc]

LMAOOOOOO THAT DOESNT MEAN SHIT HAHAH

[kindred arrow]

light really got screwed by the launch patch

[cinder coyote]

I believe that lights grappling hook had an auto-save to it in the beta

[crude zinc]

the finals is a entirely different game compared to siege and val and both of those games aint even hard nor require really good aim

[high marten]

A tac shooter? you mean you sit around n watch cams? then peek when theyre moving at the rate of a 3 armor

[leaden leaf]

This @crude zinc just talks out of his ass, nothing meaningful to say unless it bashed someone else’s ideas, toddler mentality

[cinder coyote]

hooked under a bridge, got flung up in the air and wrapped around and over it back then

[crude zinc]

i am roaming lobbies as light as i do with medium lmao

[kindred arrow]

heck shield heavy is net better than it was in OB because the lewis is significantly better with the recoil change and the lewis was always the better of the two machine guns

[grim heart]

Skill issue actually haven't had an issue with it

[crude zinc]

it all depends on HOW you play as each class

[rose trail]

You're coping if you think light is viable in high competitive ranks

[crude zinc]

its good that the lights who used to run into enemies like zombies getting stomped and actually have to do what they are meant to do

[leaden leaf]

I’ll bet you $1000 that the stun gun gets a buff in a week or so, then you can hop off my ass

[cinder coyote]

alr, maybe described it wrongly. so I flew off the map, was under the bridge, yea?
then hooked under it, and got automatically flung around and over it to safety

[grim heart]

God I hope not

[grim heart]

Lmao wtf

[cinder coyote]

that's what I was thinking

[high marten]

rather than buff lights maybe introduce new tools?

nvm idk what tools could come to mind-

[misty rampart]

roller shoes LOL

[leaden leaf]

Literally makes no sense, yes you’re supposed to be sneaky and flank your opponents as a light but the whole point of light is to be up close and personal or you won’t have any significant affect.

[high marten]

might be onto smth, wallrunning perhaps?

[crude zinc]

correct you shouldnt face to face fight someone and use ur environment like high ground walls ur speed and movement to defeat someone

[misty rampart]

yeah something like the kinda teleport ability they have but for wall running

[leaden leaf]

My point is the stun gun was using as a “movement buff” and now with them being able to turn with no debuff you just get melted and can’t use your movement to your advantage.

[high marten]

oh an impulse grenade would be kinda nice just for some additional movement with cloak

[misty rampart]

OP lol

[crude zinc]

they can buff the stun gun but only 20% of what it actually used to be

[high marten]

just spitballin, maybe like a glide? idk

[crude zinc]

any mp5 with stun makes a heavy useless

[leaden leaf]

If you read my original post that was the whole work around.

[sage jay]

Hey guys, none of my beta stuff has transferred over to my main game anyone know where I can contact Embark to discuss this?

[grim heart]

But does the stun gun need a buff if we are all still using it on light?

[crude zinc]

imo light is fine as it is now
people should theorycraft on how to play light to succeed

[high marten]

…buddy

[inland fox]

I wish the melee classes had a way to deal with mines other than grenades. Even if it was like a single shot pistol or throwing a rock at the mine, if you're running a dagger you're forced to either waste a nade or go around

[grim heart]

Trolling

[sage jay]

Ayy?

[leaden leaf]

It’s being used right now because that’s all people know rn, they used it in beta so they’re using it now, it’s just not as viable, basically useless rn

[crude zinc]

hit ur shots

[leaden leaf]

Brother I drop like 15-25 kills a game I hit my shots

[grim heart]

I mean I was still securing all my kills with it

[sage jay]

It said cosmetic items like skins should transfer over to the main game. I have just downloaded n got back in but its has none of my cosmetic items available like the panda skin etc..?

[inland fox]

It's decent to stop people running away, get the jump on single targets or interrupt someone stealing a payload.

[high marten]

this i will absolutely argue on is the double barrel shotgun, it needs to have a reload buff or a firerate buff, working hard to get up close just to have a bad spread or lose a gunfight because your second shot was one millisecond before being able to fire again suckssss

[gaunt wyvern]

Good. Stun gun was horrible to play against during OB. If you got hit you were dead. No questions asked. You'd have to turn your DPI to max just to turn 3cm

[tired cedar]

I used it before and after. I prefer it after cuz you still need skill to play. You just have to use it differntly now that it's less op

[grim heart]

Nah those are paid items you get none of that shit

[crude zinc]

db is quite a interesting thing since its a 50/50 thing
you can hit both shots and annihilate anyone or just miss both and get back into spectator

[sage jay]

Oh okay.. I thought ya did! Appreciate the message 😀 bad times....

[crude zinc]

quite low to be fair

[tired cedar]

It stops people running away. Ppl used to shoot first and get a ez kill. Now you must shoot ppl who are low HP with stun so they can't escape death

[leaden leaf]

I agree it’s better now but it still needs a little buff, you go to stun a heavy and they just turn and melt you now, you need to be close to your opponent to be affective and that’s hard rn

[gaunt wyvern]

#1169229124028616774

[inland fox]

Honestly I think it was good in the beta because it punished people for not playing with their team. The duration could be lowered maybe but as long as you had a teammate they could just melt the light before they kill you, mostly just punished bad teamwork

[tired cedar]

I rate they don't buff it by making it better, rather by making it quicker to switch to

[sage jay]

Game... take my money!

[leaden leaf]

Tri, I made a suggestion early that I think would be balanced if you scroll up

[drifting solstice]

as a medium main that's gotten stunned a lot last night and today, it seems perfectly fine as it is rn. Most of the time I die to whoever stunned me, but now it also gives me a slight chance to survive it and kill the light

[grim heart]

The equip time is practically instant is it not?

[tired cedar]

Not if u used it once already cuz u need to reload after cooldown

[leaden leaf]

Think about a light vs a heavy, the issue isn’t the medium. In the beta it was basically the lights job to take out the heavy using their utility but now it’s impossible to do so

[grim heart]

Well yeah it is kinda annoying having to reload it all the time

[wet chasm]

its not balanced, the mouse slow is a shit mechanic that shouldve never been added. The slow movement speed and no ads is enough for a half decent player to kill you. I call skill issue

[tired cedar]

They took away the mouse slow didn't they?

[calm wasp]

Lol

[grim heart]

Imma be honest if they don't have the shotgun they really don't have a chance

[tired cedar]

I have been stunned and can turn with ease, just can't sprint

[high marten]

nah frr it just needs some consistency like the 1887 or the autosg. it’s still a two shot on all classes within range but i feel like the fire rate has been more responsible for lost gun fights just cuz they started spraying a second before you did its just not rewarding enough to close distance like that

[tired cedar]

Bro that shotgun one shots me wtf

[fast badge]

your idea to make the game competitive is to completely remove a players ability to play the game?

[gaunt wyvern]

During ob. You literally couldn't turn when you got stunned. It was horrible

[leaden leaf]

How does that make the player unable to play? It’s a balance between beta and the current meta of the stun gun

[grim heart]

Pretty much

[grim heart]

Cranking dpi mid game is a shit mechanic

[tired cedar]

This game is primarily a team based objective game. So gadgets shouldn't be balanced based on 1v1s rather made to be counters to different classes and work the best in tandem with team play

[loud barn]

BRO THEY NEED TO BUFF THE THROWING KNIFES THE DELAY ON THEM WHO EVER THOUGHT OF THIS FIRE TEHM PLZ

[high marten]

also yk i feel like smokes could be smokier idk

[grim heart]

Nah they go hard

[cinder coyote]

ye

[inland fox]

The old stun gun punished people who had bad team play which is why I liked it

[leaden leaf]

If you guys think the stun gun is broken what about the flamethrower🤡

[high marten]

but there should be more emphasis on a pick class since it’s not just one team it’s two more

[fast badge]

force everyone whos running low sens to raise their sens or else they cant do anything vs a stun? completely remove the mechanical skill expression of players? the stun gun is perfectly fine without and sens randomizer

[grim heart]

Agreed

[tired cedar]

I know, that's why I say it's better now

[fast badge]

it got nerfed and it actually sucks now so wdym

[inland fox]

It got nerfed heavily, haven't really had as many problems with it this update

[leaden leaf]

Ya let me just turn and melt you with a flamethrower instead because that’s good for competitive play

[high marten]

WOW OK PEOPLE THAT SHARE MY SENTIMENT. YES I THINK SMOKES EITHER NEEDA BE BIGGER OR THICKER CUZ IM NOT GETTING SPRAYED THROUGH SMOKE IM GETTING GUNNED DOWN

[gaunt wyvern]

Lmao. Flamethrower is ass unless your close enough to smell their perfume

[grim heart]

Flamethrower is shit

[fast badge]

are you braindead

[inland fox]

I think punishing bad team play was a good thing though . It forces the medium and heavy to play together and look out for eachother

[tired cedar]

Yeah, I mean the names should change a bit. Heavy is basically tank/demolition guy, medium is Medic/support/movement and Light is DPS/Scout

[leaden leaf]

This is a medium talking for sure

[fast badge]

you can see what the enemies are holding in their hands, you can stun them, make distance, and they literally cannot close the distance to kill you

[grim heart]

Why run flamethrower if the shotty kills twice as fast?

[tired cedar]

Yeah but the old Taser didn't matter cuz u go invisible, taze a guy and kill him before the medic turned around

[leaden leaf]

It was just an example.. This medium be mad af and thinks he’s a future pro 🤡🤡🤡🤡

[inland fox]

Any good team could kill you before you escape, even if you pick up a kill on the medium

[grim heart]

Yeah I've just been going for the medic now

[tired cedar]

I think Taser should not restrict movement but rather increase damage by a health percentage. Like if u taze a heavy he loses more HP than if u taze a medium

[inland fox]

That might be okay

[fast badge]

bro pulled out "medium thinking" as a cope because he couldnt come up with another argument. Based on that ik I am atleast 10x further into becoming a pro than you

[inland fox]

I also really like the old taser because it possible to get backstabs with the dagger, now you have to be facing idiots with their headset off to get a sneak attack

[grim heart]

That's an interesting change

[gaunt wyvern]

Yeah. Over 60 hours as a medium since CB2. Your point is lol?? The flame thrower isn't good unless your close quarters. And it got nerfed this season to so your just exposing yourself now

[fast badge]

I think the movement debuff suits the light class better, since theyre the movement characters who create advantages in that way

[grim heart]

I think lights need dead silence or something that would be nice

[leaden leaf]

The whole point of a light is to be in close quarters r u good??

[warm lion]

no it isn't

[inland fox]

If taser made the dagger special attack do like half it's normal backstab damage rather than a flat 100 if you hit the side then that might work

[warm lion]

the point of light is hit and run tactics
regardless of range

[fast badge]

wrong

[gaunt wyvern]

Let him cook lmao

[leaden leaf]

All weapons designed for the light are used in close range combat, gl killing someone’s from a distance

[warm lion]

low game iq haver

[tired cedar]

Yeah I'm just coming up with ideas, I like the new taser but wouldn't it be cool to have maybe another thing that did that

[fast badge]

LH1?? Sniper????

[inland fox]

Audio is unreliable enough they basically have it already

[grim heart]

Sniper lh1

[leaden leaf]

Generally speaking

80% of guns?

[tired cedar]

Light is a scout. Scout means DPS and dies quick. So the tactic is either in and out to do DPS or do DPS far away

[plucky canopy]

Guy medium is not ment for shooting the other team 🗣️🗣️🗣️ (stop killing me)

[fast badge]

yk that if you face a flamethrower or shotgun, you can just create distance with lights main abilities focused around movement and flanking???

[leaden leaf]

all you kids arguing are just keyboard warriors, the coloured names don’t mean shit I promise u

[tired cedar]

Scout is the behind enemy lines guy. The person who shoot ppl who aren't looking guy

[fast badge]

what does that even mean, yet another cope

[gaunt wyvern]

The only keyboard warrior here is you my guy lol

[leaden leaf]

Go play light for a day or 2 religiously and tell me what you think, you just main medium you don’t understand lmao

[inland fox]

Honestly the scout doesn't really do that much DPS, if you're using the default SMG then you have to hit pretty much every bullet on a heavy to kill it, and often they'll kill you before you can do that unless you're directly behind them

[tired cedar]

There's a reason they always make scout an annoying guy in TF2, cuz that's the role

[warm lion]

how about you stop typing too then 😂

[fast badge]

because I main a class, doesnt mean I havent touched and played against other classes. I find light enjoyable and very skill expressive

[leaden leaf]

I gave a suggestion and this kid as been on my ass like his opinion is more valid than anyone else’s here😂

[inland fox]

Light probably has the highest skill ceiling and floor, doesn't necessarily mean it's better than the other classes though

[tired cedar]

Out of curiosity how often are people using the reserve system?

[warm lion]

well your opinion has been ass as far as i've been looking at this chat 💀

[inland fox]

If I'm playing medium I occasionally swap in mines on defense, but that's about it tbh

[leaden leaf]

Scroll up to the top where I gave my whole reasoning and then talk to me

[pine hare]

cant create distance with light build cause you do 0 dmg from med range

[fast badge]

Beam bro, everyone is disagreeing with you

[leaden leaf]

You know have the conversation so at this point ur just talking to talk

[warm lion]

i'm not gonna listen when u say shit like this lol

[leaden leaf]

That’s for the V9S that wasn’t my main argument

[slim gust]

how is it not??

[warm lion]

https://tenor.com/view/no-gif-23548728

[steep canopy]

standard fire is fine, maybe a buff to the secondary wouldn't be too bad

[fast badge]

no, unless youre using the melee's and shotgun you shouldnt be barrel stuffing anyone. You should be using the movement abilities to create angle advantages and flank opportunities for free damage

its the assassin class for an fps shooter

[leaden leaf]

Listen to the pro player guys🤡

[fast badge]

COPE NNUMBER 3 GUYS

[high marten]

or dash while ur reloading ur shotgun-

[gaunt wyvern]

Poor guy doesn't even know that the vs9 used to kill a heavy in 7 shots at over 50m lol

[warm lion]

bro doesn't know what a glass cannon does

[slim gust]

well ur using flanks to get in range of ur weapon sicne u cant face tank

[fast badge]

reread what I wrote

[rich kelp]

All I’m saying is playing the assassin class where it’s whole gimmick is to get angle advantages while not playing with your team in an objective based shooter is troll af especially when the meta is HMM or HHM

[lean sail]

So are people out over AKM vs FCAR?

[remote star]

Help please help the game is crashing downloaded the finals deleted the config all that is associated with this game reinstalled everything is still crashing tired already don't know how to solve it LoginId:1afa549f41f40910ca834ebf8e941f55 EpicAccountId: Unhandled Exception: EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION reading address 0xffffffffffffffff MISSING_ANGELSCRIPT_CALLSTACK Discovery D3D12Core

[inland fox]

Scar got a buff, they're about equal still

[lethal raven]

pump gl is too fun untill the trophy systems come out

[remote star]

Help please help the game is crashing downloaded the finals deleted the config all that is associated with this game reinstalled everything is still crashing tired already don't know how to solve it LoginId:1afa549f41f40910ca834ebf8e941f55 EpicAccountId: Unhandled Exception: EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION reading address 0xffffffffffffffff MISSING_ANGELSCRIPT_CALLSTACK Discovery D3D12Core

[inland fox]

Delete and redownload your game, sign out and back in to your account. If that doesn't work find the actual company's support team, your problem won't be answered by staff here

[inland fox]

I found it super inconsistent so far, are you doing something specific with it?

Jump shotting and using bounce pads can make it effective, but any decent player is able to beam people off bounce pads or push someone who strafes in and out of cover

[fast badge]

thats not my argument, but being able to create advantages for your team in a fighting scenario is still good. It is an fps shooter and if you can create good fights in a game based on fighting is helpful

[gaunt wyvern]

Anyone notice beam dipped out after getting proven wrong over and over again lol

[tired cedar]

I'd really like if they changed the system to not be a specialization, a gun and 3 gadgets, but instead a class specialization, a gun, a class gadgets, movement gadget, and a grenade/mine gadget.

So if Medium is support, their movement gadgets can be used by team so the jump pad and zipline, but u can have both
Movement gadgets for light should be the dash or zip.
For heavy it should be the group movement gadgets like like Mesh Shiel or Charge Dash.

Then the Specialization gadgets should work with roles.
Light gets Cloaking, Thermal vision or Breach (the role is infiltration and to flank and do DPS)
Medium gets Defib, APS or Turret (The role is support)
Heavy gets Barricades, Goo Gun or Dome shiel (The Role is Tank/Break or Build cover)

The each can pick one grenade or mine

And then they get a class Gadget
So Light gets Stun gun or motion sensor
Medium gets Recon Sense, Heal Beam or Tracking dart
Heavy will have RPG or C4

This separation of type of Gadgets will emphasize class play. I don't think they should do this split now but I hope when they add more gadgets they do this so that a heavy can't pick RPG and C4 with Charge and flatten a building, he gets one Demo Gadget, one grenade gadget and one movement gadget and his specialization.
And Light can't pick dash and 3 grenades but rather 1 nade, 1 movement, one infiltration and 1 specialization gadget

DISCLAIMER: This is my opinion and if u disagree, please know that your opinion as a gamer is equal to mine if u disagree it's okay, if you call it stupid then your ideas are equally stupid. I am playing this game just like you and have equal input in it's making as you do (which is minimal as I am not a dev)

[inland fox]

He's complaining in light chat now

[plucky pewter]

Hi. Idk How to do a task (damage 1 opponent with an arena carriable) ?
My translator translates this incorrectly

[vapid inlet]

Throwing object like gas canister or flower pot

[inland fox]

It's bugged right now I think

[fast badge]

lmao

[terse yoke]

light is garbage now.

[undone turret]

yeah i love when light tanks direct rpg hit but i die from it

[lethal raven]

you have to change up your playstyle a lot especially positioning, always aim to have more elevation as shooting up you have nothing to splash it off of, direct hits deal 3-4 bars while splash deals 1.5-3 and has no range fall off as far as i can tell.

your main weakness is the heavy class as it takes 5 gls to take one down so i normally take sentry gun and gas mines to help deal with them, the gl can trigger the mines and wont ignite the gas allowing for a you to spam them like gas grenades or use them defensively

they arn't influenced by horizontal momentum which makes aiming them easier, just takes practice to start hitting more impacts

[tired cedar]

Who stole my embed?

[lethal raven]

also 7-8 gls will break walls

[inland fox]

I feel like a lot of maps don't allow you to get as much high ground, at least at specific cash outs. Wish medium had some more destruction options to blow holes in rooftops, but I'll try that out

[inland fox]

Oh I didn't know that, thanks!

[lethal raven]

probs not tourney viable considering most teams bring 1-2 heavys but good fun for quick match or bank

[pseudo owl]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-compelling-didnt-ask-dont-gif-24737803 I gonna do this for the first time ever

[vapid inlet]

why does my hammer magnet to the guy at full health instead of the guy infront of me with 5 health.

[woeful forge]

smoke grenades should cover you from being seen by turrets

[inland fox]

And invisibility

[woeful forge]

invis doesnt either?

[cinder coyote]

what the

[inland fox]

The turrets that are the map variation can shoot you while you're invisible, haven't tested against player turrets but I think they work the same

[simple tinsel]

Why is the AKM recoil so hard compared to the beta ?

[pseudo flare]

They changed it. It's in the patch 1 notes

[simple tinsel]

ah ok but was it that strong ? When i shoot it now it feels like i have an earthquake in my monitor.

[brisk owl]

wait til you try m60

[pseudo flare]

I didn't use it much so I couldn't say, but if I had to guess it was probably overperforming at long distances, so they nerfed it a bit to help out the FCAR too.

[simple tinsel]

maybe but i think its to much

[full storm]

Does RPG do more damage with the explosion than a direct hit? Sometimes I'll hit a dude with the actual rocket for only 77, and other times it will 1 shot a light, not sure what the difference is in these situations...

[quaint pendant]

currently what is the best weapon for the light class?

[steep canopy]

yet to test all, but the MP5 seems solid

[quaint pendant]

alright thx

[pseudo flare]

My friend obliterates with the double barrel shotgun when paired with the cloaking ability. But I don't have much personal experience.

[quaint pendant]

Thats the xp-54 right? there isnt any weapon actually called the mp5

[quaint pendant]

ill test it out later

[fathom creek]

throwing knives are soo fun

[pseudo flare]

Pretty sure the intention is for direct hits to do more damage. But who knows if it always goes through properly.

[frigid beacon]

EQUILIBRAGE VRAIMENT POURRI PENDANT LA BETA S'ETAIT MIEUX

[undone turret]

what

[misty rampart]

he saying the weapon balance was better in beta and now its not like since launch the weapon balance isnt good

[marsh heron]

lol the weapon balance was ass in beta-- the silenced pistol was 10x better than anything else

[soft ledge]

How do you change one SMG To Another. I bought a gun but don’t know how to change it. It’s not in fun selection.

[frigid beacon]

yes maybe but before it was better exept the pistol

[mellow dust]

make snipers one shot headshot medium

[frigid beacon]

yeah you right

[broken robin]

gotta click customize ur build and u can change

[pseudo flare]

What weapons upset you in particular?

[restive plover]

Based Double Barrel user

[soft ledge]

Ok cheers

[frigid beacon]

machine gun need op the pistol stil op the kunai is bad

[restive plover]

Double Barrel with dash is insane

[pseudo flare]

Which machine gun?

[frigid beacon]

default one

[restive plover]

Throwing Knives need fire rate buff

[rich kelp]

Light overall needs a buff

[frigid beacon]

yes they nerf to much light exept pistol

[rich kelp]

And they also reduced pistol mag size and damage fall off

[pseudo flare]

Light definitely has highest skill floor due to their low health. I feel like their default load out is particularly underwhelming so many people are going to have a negative first experience.

[frigid beacon]

yes but the pistol maybe need a litle nerf even more

[vocal frost]

i like the pistol

[frigid beacon]

yeah but a bit to op

[pseudo flare]

The silence pistol was oppressive in the beta. Haven't gotten to use it yet on release

[misty rampart]

true but they also input max damage so its like a double edge sword lol

[restive plover]

The pistol is for losers
Use shotgun

[pseudo flare]

I tend to agree. I can just see where some players are coming from with their frustrations with the class.

[misty rampart]

like for me in a situation i am heavy i have almost 0 chance to win vs a L with a sniper and knives shoulda added one detail talking close range 😛

[pseudo flare]

Haven't come across many knife users yet. As a heavy I'm not usually bothered by snipers since I run the dome and the barrier specialty.

[misty rampart]

i use grenade launcher and goo gun so it hurts

[pseudo flare]

Yeah, makes sense . I used the heavy's grenade launcher in beta and wasn't impressed. Haven't used it on release.

[long minnow]

hey folks suggest me the best light build

[misty rampart]

if u like sniper and knives that a good one or sword for close range

[long minnow]

so what weapon should i unlock

[frigid beacon]

pistol and invisibility it is realy op

[warm lion]

cloak 🤢

[pseudo flare]

Double barrel shotgun, and silenced pistol seem strong. Use the cloak or dash depending on your preference

[fickle kindle]

For the record, the lights pistol loses the 1v1 against every other ranged weapon in the game (except the 30-06 that one shots you)

Out of the range options it has the 3rd lowest DPS losing only to the AKM and the M60. But if you take HP into account the V95 has the worst TTK in the game. If you hit every shot it takes 1.07 seconds to kill a medium, but the AKM kill’s you in 0.7 seconds.

[warm lion]

it's v9s

[misty rampart]

thx for the info 🙂

[mellow comet]

is the recon or turret better for medium when u wanna play aggro

[craggy island]

Personally I’m having a lot of fun with the knives, cloak, and stun gun as my engage.

[warm lion]

recon if you have comms
turret is a bit slow for aggro

[worthy aspen]

throwing knife should be able to hold then throw

[half void]

Also being able to do slightly more powerful than normal melee. Its 2 literal knives and im using me elbow?

[clever ledge]

Right now it’s not a big deal as the meta still develops. But I think there needs to be a cash incentive for defending and controlling and a vault. Because otherwise the meta is you wait for people to fight and then come in last second and try to steal. If you’re defending a vault you should get like a small cash bonus every 30 seconds or something

[flat veldt]

you know what i totally agree, should be a countdown of 10k to 0. and the timer is just untill its captured. make the game more pvp based]

[warm lion]

this has always been a suggestion in every beta
and it's never been implemented
just defend better lol

[clever ledge]

Yeah I mean it’s not a huge deal but I foresee it becoming a really ZZZZ meta in ranked once the meta develops. No one is gonna want to defend

[misty rampart]

new game mode incoming then?

[astral gazelle]

Hey guys, I am not able to use the healing gun rn as a medium. I am in final round of tournament round and it just happened. I dont know how to fix this.

[proud sky]

maybe you switched your healing beam for a different special ability

[astral gazelle]

not possible, I used healing beam the first two rounds of the tournament. And then the third round it was still equipped. I could hold the gun but it wouldnt connect or beam my teammates

[kindred arrow]

3rd partying is going to get worse and worse in comp to the point that you'll probably see nobody even going for vaults for long periods of time because being the first to cap is an active detriment

[analog python]

Happened to me yesterday

[fresh pumice]

Factual statement

[warm lion]

which won't matter if you're the best team in the round 😏
cause the enemy teams will just 3rd team each other

[astral gazelle]

cool, i thought I was alone lol

[analog python]

So did I till now

[stable igloo]

I feel like the concern with this is it would change the meta to "stalling" rather than holding. In tournament especially since you lose a portion of your money when you wipe. The main thing I'd be concerned with is people pushing cash outs out of bound so it takes 10-15s to reset. Was a bit of an issue on moving platforms in seoul in cbt2

[kindred arrow]

the point is that moving the game forward puts you in a worse position

you cannot make the prisoner's dilemma a core part of your comp mode's gameplay loop and have it result in good gameplay

or more realistically what happens, the teams in the bottom half have to cap because they'll lose if nothing happens, which puts them in an even worse position than just being down in score

being the best team in the lobby doesn't matter if you get 3v9'd

[warm lion]

that's when you take both vaults and cash them both in different stations

they'll have no choice but to fight over one of either

[misty rampart]

thats so smart thx for tip

[warm lion]

if ur ahead after the first cashout always try to cash both in the same station

you can kinda just afk cause you're guaranteed to qualify for next round

[stable igloo]

Depends how fast you get the cash outs moving

[warm lion]

don't even need to defend

[misty rampart]

we talking about the second game mode or cashout?

[warm lion]

tournament
aka the only mode that really matters /s

[misty rampart]

oh ok, my bad 🙂

[mellow hazel]

Is there ever a reason to use sword alt fire

[stable igloo]

If you mean the lunge, it's good for engaging if you can catch them before they catch you

[warm lion]

free mobility for engaging the fight
u can even kill a light immediately with a quick melee

[hollow prawn]

Pistol, invisibility cloak, frag, piro, breach, thats what i use & it suits pretty well for my game style, as its little aggressive

[stable igloo]

M11 or the mp5 (not called that) are solid too if you're good at tracking

[loud nest]

Grappling hook, pistol and flashbang, the rest is up to you. That three is the best. You can play defensively or offensively with those 🔥 tested also

[restive plover]

grappling is literally the worst out of 3 (still good tho)

[loud nest]

Well it’s on the user, i am not good with the dash tho

[north breach]

All 3 are extremely good. Grappling has saved me so many times and the mobility it gets you when delivering the cash to high heights or even just horizontally is super good

Being able to get a cashout to a high up island and then shooting out all the ziplines and just floating around it using grapple is super powerful

[loud nest]

This is extremely correct

[north breach]

Though for straight combat dash is best. Stealth is amazing for holding down a point though or even just general rotation kills

Though stealth wont work in super cracked lobbies but unless your already playing ranked and a high level it will definetly bamboozle 99.9832% of players

[slender aspen]

Man, Grenade launchers need a nerf they're crazy op.

[dawn bronze]

How I feel with the shield:
https://media1.tenor.com/m/XO-ShV3qk0QAAAAC/police-beating.gif

https://tenor.com/view/police-beating-getoutofhere-airman-inflatable-guy-gif-4794752

[restive plover]

invis is actually the best on the highest level thp

[stable igloo]

well, dash and gappling won't save you if someone has good enough aim. cloak gives you the benefit of being harder to see rather than track

[tender dew]

please buff flamethrower

[stable igloo]

they just nerfed it before it was overpowered. I think it sfine as is tbh

[boreal thunder]

well no flametower doesnt need buff it needs to be debuff, it might look its not good weapon but when defending in close corters this weapon just shreds.

[tender dew]

need buff

[boreal thunder]

learn how to play with flametower

[fast badge]

just run shotgun, does the same role but 10x better

[tender dew]

dont tell me what to do idiot

[boreal thunder]

how im telling you. im just saying

[tender dew]

already playing with flamethrower

[boreal thunder]

well good for you have fun... camping

[tender dew]

i dont camp im not braindead

[boreal thunder]

im saying that because most of the flametower main i see camp in builds and just leaves theyr teammates to die.

[tender dew]

nope to balance that i use shield

[boreal thunder]

does the shield protect from flametower ?

[fallow crater]

No

[boreal thunder]

well thats good

[tender dew]

when i push with my team i cover them with shield and i try to do some damage in front

[stable igloo]

ironically flamethrower and glitch are about the only direct counters to shield

[fallow crater]

Yes but otherwise shield would be tooo broken

[shut dirge]

they should make the grappler able to grapple onto canisters and players. (maybe just canisters tho)

[misty rampart]

that would hurt the player no fair lol

[stable igloo]

indeed

[fallow crater]

No god no the shotgun would be so broken then

[slender aspen]

The grenade launchers need nerfs.

[misty rampart]

we need to buff it for max destruction

[stable igloo]

I actually would love that lol

[slender aspen]

They're already overpowered enough. >.>

[misty rampart]

burn the world down ? lol

[stable igloo]

blow it down rather

[misty rampart]

yeah but referring to the song 😛

[left moth]

my ak skin shows i have 3 selected at the same time and i cant make my skin any of the other 2 that are selected

[stable igloo]

fair enough

[thorny drift]

I’m new

[stable igloo]

do they all say "equpped?"

[feral frost]

I think this sums up most people's ideas of balance in this game based on what I've heard:

• Light class is useless now because of the taser nerf, health nerf and V9S nerf. Potential solutions are to re-buff the tazer to make it good again, although not as OP as it was in Beta, rebuff the health so it doesn't get curb stomped by every single other class in the game. V9S could be buffed, could be left alone. Some people think it's about the same, some people think it's sizably worse.
• The movement has been altered even though it really hasn't, and the base FOV potentially being lowered is what gives the illusion.
• Heavy's flamethrower has been nerfed, some people think it's okay some people think it's garbage.

If there's anything anyone else wants to add feel free to

[slender aspen]

The V9 is actually pretty op still. If you needed the V9 to do good you are bad.
The Tazer shouldn't be a thing because it's just broken being able to stun lock someone to death.
The movement is fine just change your Fov... Even with the Fov changes the Movement is still the same.
The Flamethrower is still pretty good. It should be a defense weapon not a push weapon.

[stable igloo]

I still see complaints about the AKM here and there. primarily its discrepancy with fcar and the fact it has 80% more mag than it.

[slender aspen]

The only thing I don't like about the AKM is it has a bit too much horizontal recoil.

[stable igloo]

I just like the fcar's sight and its increased reward for aim. but I definitely get the vibe a lot that I'd do better with akm. They're very similar, but a lot of fights it just feels like "oh I lost because they can afford to miss more"

[slender aspen]

I would say the AKM is just better given it has a higher mag. It does the same damage but has a much higher ROF.
Unless you care about range and accuracy which most fights are cqb anyway Range isn't a big issue most of the time.

[stable igloo]

fcar has higher damage. and likewise lower TTK. but not enough of a dif to make up for the mag difference

[slender aspen]

Does it? The stats show the same in the game. Guess they're wrong then. Lol.

[stable igloo]

I've messed with it in training a bit. it kills things 2-3 bullets fast.

[slender aspen]

I would just use the CL-40 because it 1 shots the Light at any range if it hits. >.>

[stable igloo]

cl-40 does around 80 damage on direct hits.

[timid heart]

Nerfing Lights stun gun but leaving heavies auto shotty and rpg untouched which are just broken af feels very weird, i hope heavy gets some balancing in the next patch otherwise im not to sure what to think about the game balancing by Embark ( im a Medium Main btw)

[slender aspen]

I've been one shot by the Cl-40 many times.

[stable igloo]

sure you're not thinking of the rpg?

[slender aspen]

The Pump action grenade launcher. Been 1 shot by that thing a lot as a light.

The stun gun shouldn't even be in the game because it's just broken. Being able to stun lock people is pretty silly. If your whole team has them that is a full team stun...
The Auto shotty isn't that strong.
The Rpg should get a nerf with less splash damage.

[tawny onyx]

Make RPG do half its damage, have a larger impact area, slightly higher impact on structure integrity, and a lower cooldown.- making it better for demolition rather than an ability for free damage.

[restive plover]

grappling is literally the worst out of 3 (still good tho)

[foggy thorn]

Glitch nade needs to explode on impact... cant cancel a dome when the dome bounces the nade off it

[stable igloo]

stun gun is barely a stun anymore. it just forces you to hip fire. in OBT it was a lot stronger. now its fine. auto shotgun is a pain, but only when close (duh) RPG should just do less than 150 damage (shouldn't ever one shot someone)

[slender aspen]

Well, the Stun gun is still pretty op given if you hit someone from a distance with it they're pretty much dead to rights. It also stops you from using abilities.

[stable igloo]

also seems I was a tad wrong. cl-40 does 100 damage for on-contact hits. so it can't 1 shot. (testing in practice on light dummies. does 4/6 bars)

[slender aspen]

Yeah, the grenade launchers in general need a nerf they're insanely strong.

[stable igloo]

I still don't feel that way as you're more of a threat to yourself than others in close quarters.

[tawny onyx]

Either give a more accurate description of motion sensors for light or make it do what it says.

[slender aspen]

I am pretty bad with the grenade launcher but I have never hurt myself with it. It's pretty crazy how strong they can be. The heavy with a light using them is crazy.

[timid heart]

Yes i agree the stun gun was very broken, but why not nerf the weapons from heavy too? It was pretty obvious from previous betas that the Auto shotty and RPG where just as broken if you are decent with it

[feral frost]

People are super divided on the stun gun so let me quell this argument

The stun gun was the thing that made light so good, it was it's one counter to heavy classes and even then it wasn't a guaranteed kill to heavies. It was most of the time a guaranteed kill on mediums and below though. Now that the stun gun doesn't make you turn slower it is completely useless, and does almost nothing to decide the outcome of a fight. With the lowered health, a one on one gun fight against a medium or heavy is usually going to end poorly for you at any range, and the taser was the equalizer. Without the taser, there is no equalizer and the light class has no valid support equipment besides breach charge, so the light class is a PVP class that can't PVP now.

TLDR; Light class loses every fight it gets in without taser, and has no super useful support options for the team, so it's a PVP class that can't PVP

[timid heart]

RPG is just a very low effort, extremly high reward weapon and then it's even on a class that's supposed to be a "Tank"

[kindred arrow]

taser was a 2 way stupid design

first way: overcentralizing light's power scaling around a fast recharging oneshot ability (which is what taser was in OB, really) is not going to allow for good overall design for light
second way: dpi switch lul

[stable igloo]

taser just seems like a lose/lose item. if you basically can't move (but you can turn) now. so if the light isn't good at taking advantage of a lack of mobility, it does little to nothing for them. However, if it was like OBT version it would be ridiculous. in OBT it was used by almost every light. as a medium you just felt useless against setups like that because you didn't have the health or ability to do anything about it.

[kindred arrow]

something that's either ludicrously OP as intended or barely has an effect for actual serious players with dpi switches is never gonna work which is why so few FPS do sens modifiers

[stray obsidian]

This sounds like your were just crutching on a taser. You can 100% still win fights without it, and it’s still helpful for free headshots and disabling heavies RPG

[noble lichen]

The RPG being able to one shot Lights isn’t too bad. Specially if the choice is break wall to secure cash out or kill the fly that’s buzzing in your ear.

I always kill the fly :)

[feral frost]

Every light was using the taser as a crutch

[kindred arrow]

the issue with light moreso is the health scaling

[feral frost]

The takeaway here is that the light needs another equalizer in fights, be it a buffed taser or another super good item

[timid heart]

I really didn't expected them to completely remove the slowing of the turn speed, but i agree that Light needs a better tool to open a fight

[kindred arrow]

it should probably be like 200/300/400 so light doesn't feel as fragile all the time

[stray obsidian]

No? It was good but it shouldn’t have been the only thing getting you kills

[feral frost]

That was true in the beta but not now because of the lowered health, plus kills don't matter for winning the match, squad wipes do

And it's next to impossibly to get a squad wipe with a team of lights now, because you will lose 1 on 1 gun fights

[kindred arrow]

3 flankers
lose direct fights
oh the humanity how could this happen

[stable igloo]

I actually agree with this. This would fix the rpg one shot issue. In contrast though they would need to adjust certain weapon damage scaling. You step on a mine as a light. It's only right you go boom.

[tawny onyx]

I’ll reiterate. Scale RPG to be oriented around demolition rather than free damage. By increasing impact area, lowering cooldown, slightly increasing impact on buildings, and halving (or more) the damage. The class identity of heavy is to manipulate fights by interacting with the map and forcing advantageous locations. The ability should not be a form of free damage, or pick potential. Already Heavy requires significantly less mechanically than the other two classes due to their weapons and archetype.

[kindred arrow]

an RPG that does like 60 damage just seems comical

[timid heart]

That's the thing tho light doesn't really has any gadget to act as a real flanker

[feral frost]

Flanking is good and all when it works, in beta it would have been a slam dunk even against a team with 2 heavies but not anymore because you can't keep that surprise with the taser, they can just turn on you and mow you down

[kindred arrow]

well that's because the taser was stupidly overpowered in OB

[feral frost]

Exactly, it was the equalizer, it was just too much of an equalizer

[kindred arrow]

you literally just got a free kill every 15 seconds, it should not be that

[stable igloo]

You didn't even need surprise with taser in obt

[timid heart]

Yea and now it's useless

[feral frost]

I agree

[kindred arrow]

you could run up to a heavy head on and taze them and just dash to the side and kill them before they could aim back at you

[stable igloo]

I'd rather it be useless than free kills every 15s

[kindred arrow]

it wasn't like a backstabbing tool it was just "lol i hit this hitscan shot and i win"

[tawny onyx]

@kindred arrow and it’s comical how overall easy the archetype of heavy is so 🤷‍♂️

[kindred arrow]

heavy was least screwed over by taser in OB?

literally shuts you down entirely so you are just a helpless meat wall, and heavy has the most meat for teammates to shoot the light before he dies

[timid heart]

So you're saying youre biased because the gadget annoyed you, and you rather prefer a unbalanced game ? why not adjust the stun gun instead of nerfing it to the ground?

[runic hazel]

Bro thinks he’s the balancing team 😂

[kindred arrow]

i dont get where people are getting that OB taser was a counter to heavy, it was a counter to light most of all and medium still moreso than heavy

[tawny onyx]

@runic hazel u think that’s a bad balance change?

[kindred arrow]

if you got tased as a light (which, again, hitscan perfect accuracy hipfire so it wasn't that hard to land) then you were just super, super dead

[feral frost]

I think we can all agree here that the light needs to not be terrible again, and that it needs something to rebalance it in fights that can't double as a free kill every time it recharges

[stable igloo]

Adjust it how? They did adjust it. All they changed was it lets you turn now instead of being a sitting duck. Bias isn't even really the issue when everyone that played obt openly comments on how busted it was.

[tawny onyx]

Stun gun the way it was used to be extremely unhealthy for the game in all honesty, but realistically it was the only thing making light worth picking over the other classes.

[slender aspen]

They need to adjust the stun gun by getting it out of the game. This is a fast past arena shooter having a 1 shot stun lock gun is silly.
Even if it causes you to hipfire you still can't do anything else. Have fun hipfiring a pistol, flamethrower, lmg...

[kindred arrow]

either the stun gun does not allow people to fight back and will have the exact same problem as rpg -> light interactions, or the stun gun does allow people to fight back so it's redundant relative to just shooting them in the head instead of tasing them

[noble lichen]

It was busted, even being a heavy main when ever my screen got sparked and my turn speed was zero fear rushed me.. never called for my teammates so fast before.
specially the lights with knifes, that heavy backstab was nasty with taser.

[kindred arrow]

if the taser is more of a reward than the ~3 headshots you can land before the other guy turns around it's always going to be stupidly overpowered

which is why you got OBT lights sprinting straight at heavies and winning the 1v1 because the taser just turned their mouse off

[stable igloo]

In obt, and cbt2, everytime you got tased you just went "welp" and waited to respawn. The only counter was to kill (not see) them before they got close enough to you

[noble lichen]

Exactly, you couldn’t see most of them because either invis or dash.

[stable igloo]

Right.

[kindred arrow]

that's not what he means

the thing is even if you did see them and shot them they would just tase you and dash to one side and now you aren't aiming at them and cant move your mouse

[stable igloo]

Well, it's not wrong either. I just meant you had to kill them before they were in range.

[kindred arrow]

mechanically wasn't too different from the stun gun just being a 350 damage beam and that is obviously ridiculously OP

[timid heart]

Well i don't know exactly how you can adjust the stun gun or maybe replace the stun gun with another gadget so that lights can better initiate a fight, but i just hope Heavies is next up who gets balanced because RPG is in my opinion just as busted

[kindred arrow]

old stun gun but it's a channel and you can't do anything other than disable the guy while your teammate kills him for free

[noble lichen]

I like that the rpg is a direct counter to lights

[warm lion]

this is how actual tazers work fr

[noble lichen]

Revenge for all the stun gunning they did

[kindred arrow]

literally worthless in 1v1, opens up solo enemies to be trivial to discourage lone wolfing

[timid heart]

You a heavy main ?

[stable igloo]

Rpg has the same issue that taser has. Just the effect is more immediate.

[kindred arrow]

overall improves game design and encourages teamwork instead of fragging

[noble lichen]

Yes, and I’m making it obvious with my heavy GL too 😆

[warm lion]

ok but light literally has all the tools to avoid getting hit by an RPG
regardless of what skill they choose

[kindred arrow]

compared to OB taser RPG only oneshots lights instead of all classes, needs to be ADS'd to be totally accurate, and takes 3x as long to recharge

[noble lichen]

This true^

[kindred arrow]

of course it's still pretty dumb

[stable igloo]

I like this, an alternative would be to make it a charge up with an obvious noise to indicate that you gotta react fast.

[kindred arrow]

that won't solve the problem of bumrushing for free kills really

unless you want to make this game siege where one headshot is an instant kill (/s)

[stable igloo]

It won't in low elo lobbies, but it might in higher. Depends how long the charge up is

[noble lichen]

Taser opened up a counter to all classes where as rpg is just an instant kill to light. Which is a hit and run class. Not supposed to face down with a heavy

[slender aspen]

Straight up stun locks in a fast past Arena style shooter like this shouldn't be a thing period.

[timid heart]

But you just cant avoid it all the time, it's just that rpg is from the ground up broken doesn't matter if you can avoid it

[warm lion]

skill issue tbh

[timid heart]

Again, RPG is a low effort,high reward weapon which shouldn't be like this in the game, and no the RPG is strong against mediums too

[tawny onyx]

A heavy player saying skill issue?

[timid heart]

furthermore the Heavy is supposed to be the TANK

[warm lion]

if i play all classes then yes i'm a heavy player

[glacial dust]

Stun gun is a free kill, a free steal interrupt, and a free one person EMP all in one, and I significantly dislike playing against it

[warm lion]

ok but irl tanks

[noble lichen]

Never said it wasn’t strong, but it doesn’t one shot them

[warm lion]

and tanking isn't specifically what heavy's meant for to begin with

[timid heart]

Yea and a light should be the Chopper with takes you down from the sky, but rn lights arent' close to that

[kindred arrow]

i'd rather eat an rpg than an open beta taser, as any class
yes, including light, at least the oneshot gets it over with

[tawny onyx]

The arguement shouldn’t be RPG vs Tazer which ones more broken? Neither should be able to have that much pick potential. You can try and say “well rpg only one shots light” but that extra damage is substantial for securing a free kill on ANY class.

[warm lion]

no lights are motor bikes
or a super car

[stable igloo]

Heavy is meant for tanking, supressing, defending, and seiging

[kindred arrow]

rpg complainers when the c4 flower pot flies at their head

[timid heart]

Yes it is

[stable igloo]

You leave my explosive mine chairs alone

[noble lichen]

Haha I remember doing that in both betas

[timid heart]

Yes but heavy mains disagree of course because they have to actually play the game instead of running around with their RPG's and getting healed behind from the Medium lmao

[warm lion]

correction, it isn't the only thing it's meant for

[silent quest]

What deals more damage fire or poison grenade?

[warm lion]

gas

[stable igloo]

Gas

[warm lion]

gas

[silent quest]

Thanks

[kindred arrow]

i'm gonna step on the gas

[warm lion]

we did it discord

[stable igloo]

Fire does damage after they leave it though and gas gets cleared by Fire

[kindred arrow]

downside of gas: fire kills gas and most teams have fire
upside of fire: smoke kills fire and most teams dont have smoke

[timid heart]

So where exactly does the description say "High damage" ? Right now it's High survivability AND High Damage

[warm lion]

demolition duh

[kindred arrow]

#heavy-build-main channel description

[stable igloo]

I never knew smoke killed Fire even though it makes sense. You just never see people try it

[kindred arrow]

also clearly high damage is intended by the autoshotgun and sledgehammer at least

[timid heart]

You heavy mains are so biased it's insane lol

[warm lion]

to be fair none of the other class descriptions say high damage in any form

[warm lion]

i dont wanna hear that from the class that gets new toys

[timid heart]

New toys? Im a medium player

[stable igloo]

I'm so sad medium didn't get anything new

[warm lion]

my bad coulda sworn u were a light player

[thorny beacon]

is there chance for lh1 change roll back?

[stable igloo]

Tbh I thought you were a light too with how much you were defending taser lol

[warm lion]

what the fnaf doing

[stable igloo]

didn't LH1 just get buffed?

[thorny beacon]

nerfed

[timid heart]

Can you please show me where i was defending taser? you guys are just mad because i said that heavy is broken rn

[slender aspen]

But the heavy isn't broken. >.>

[tawny onyx]

@timid heart It’s like that in every game tbh. Everyone that plays this class styled archetype plays it because, let’s be honest, they take less skill than other options: the people that want to play it want to FEEL like they are good so they are all extremely biased and hard headed in denial. I’m a light player- I can admit stun gun SHOULD NOT BE IN THE GAME because it is unhealthy, and realistically light doesn’t need buffs whatsoever- it just needs other classes to have the important nerfs.

[timid heart]

"Please nerf everything to the ground but not my class"

[stable igloo]

damage increased from 41>45, decreased accuracy on hip fire, reduced recoil when aiming down sight. reduced fire rate from 400 rpm to 300 rpm @thorny beacon

[slender aspen]

I guess Fantix has never played TF2 before with a Minigun Heavy being pocket healed by a healer who can make them unkillable for a given time.

[kindred arrow]

41>45 doesnt cause any ttk improvements i think

[stable igloo]

so I guess if you spam the hell out of left click, it got nerfed. though the hip fire is TERRIBLE. Idr how bad it was before

[tacit plume]

I kinda wish the throwing knives could charge and hold the charge similar to the sword

[thorny beacon]

the correct damage is 42-45 but you lose 100 rpm

[kindred arrow]

fair and balanced

[timid heart]

Yea i agree with you, can't wait for these people to come in here and cry after heavy get's balanced that they have to actually get better in the game

[kindred arrow]

i have no idea why they nerf-batted light so hard

[hidden cloak]

trash game they should do with the people who come in to troll. and does nothing..

[thorny beacon]

recoil isn't the problem of lh1 the problem is the gunkick

[kindred arrow]

like do they go 100% off of use rate and ignore anything else

[stable igloo]

I'd very much like heavy to be nerfed, but thats because I hate everything about it. just find it annoying when theres more than 1 on a team. but don't expect that to happen

[slender aspen]

If you hate Heavies in this game don't play TF2 Ever.

[kindred arrow]

heavy is kind of a do everything class (except flanking)

[stable igloo]

I played tf2 for nearly 2 years, I didn't mind them as much there actually lol

[slender aspen]

TF2 heavies make heavies in this game seem weak....

[kindred arrow]

ironically moreso than medium is even though that feels like its meant to be the idea of medium

[warm lion]

you sure it's trolls and not just
people new to the game that just released days ago?

[tawny onyx]

@timid heart Unfortunately it’s like that in the majority of the gaming industry because they need that archetype to cater to the people who again, just want to feel good about the game.

[thorny beacon]

please give lh1 fire rate back😭

[kindred arrow]

"people who play the character i don't play are bad" and 15 other lies scrubs tell themselves on gaming discords

[noble lichen]

Heavy is the up in your face class, and their high damage weapons gives them the right to do so. Lights flank and medium supports, either with turret locking down doors or further healing the tank

[warm lion]

too bad for you i don't actually care how good my character is cause i play the shittiest builds lol

[stable igloo]

just run w/e build, why play if you don't have fun because you wanna do just meta

[warm lion]

fr