📂┇the-finals-wiki

[ionic heath]

man looking at amount of ak skins we gotta add to the database to be complete after i got all the icons makes me sad and hollow

[polar flicker]

Add pueblo power first if it isn't already added. If it is add drift shot

[ionic heath]

also if anyone needs icons for cosmetics they gonna need to the database, especially equipment you can hit me up
same with mp3 for sounds
i'll upload them for you

[magic oasis]

who makes the map overviews for the wiki, usually? fangwai still got none :o

[karmic spoke]

I measure d the breach drill time between flash and breach at 470ms, but I only measured at 50fps, so it might be 450ms

I can rerecord if someone else wants to count frames hahaha

0.5 mouseclick

2.22 flash effect start

2.71 breach detonation

I think 450ms between flash impact (not the flash whiteness effect, but the actual impact) and breach detonation, I think the flash impact is 40ms? I already was gonna kinda test that

2.2s betwween place and boomm

oh my obs crashed when I tried to record the flashbang timings

I might do it later idk

btw the distance is rounding like, normally

[karmic spoke]

is there anyone who can help me with testing some stuff who has a computer that gets 300+ fps?

I'm trying to measure the speed of the arrow but it's really hard because I don't really have enough frames for accurate testing

I mean, basically just need to do a bunch of samples to get a decently correct answer, but it's helpful if you can push more fps because it decreasees error/makes it more accurate iwth less attempts

[polar flicker]

I can help but most i think i could get is around 160ish in the practice range.

[karmic spoke]

thanks for the offer, I get around 240ish but it's not enough lol

once I have obs going it drops to 200, and the margin of error at 200 fps is like, 150m/s at 5 meters

it's like 4 frames at 200fps

but let me know if there is anything you need measured, basically everything other than the bow should be measureable ahahhaah

oh yeah I was gonna do frag, flash and gas grenade timers

[polar flicker]

I will

[ionic heath]

if you're talking about the map image they are usually made by devs and posted on the official website in the seasonal blog post but there wasn't one for the fangwai

[karmic spoke]

they also haven't changed the text that says season 8 to season 9 lmao

oh wait they finally fixed it hahaha

It said season 8 when I was waiting for 9.6 update notes

[magic oasis]

That really stinks

[ionic heath]

i technically can make one but it will take awhile and i would need help with taking a bunch of bird's eye view screenshots

[sharp quarry]

Yo I lowkey forgot to add spin cancel to the spear page am I still cool to do that

[polar flicker]

I could help if you do go insane enough to do it

[ionic heath]

we'll see
if i'm gonna have some free time this weekend

[polar flicker]

That eu ping gonna be crazy.

[lament grail]

I remembered my password (haha lol thats me) to my wiki account so I updated the wikipedia links in every weapon's trivia section that used the normal link structure [very long and ugly wikipedia link to topic word] to now use the the wikipedia reference structure built into the site, [[Wikipedia:topic|word]]. it took me 2 hours, I did not enjoy a single second of it, and the only difference it makes is that it takes away the little box and arrow symbol that tells you the link takes you off site, but hey, site parity or something amirite

this still needs to be done for the list of gun origins page, but I'm sure as hell not going to be the one doing it

I guess I also added more trivia for the m26 matter and shak50 pages too, so autists the world around can enjoy a little bit more of that juicy gun nerd knowledge

personally I learned a lot. I thought the shak fired two rounds at once just because some embark dev decided it would be funny on a whim, but as it turns out the 12.7x55 caliber the shak12 chambers does have a cartridge variant that shoots two bullets at once. it's stupid and nobody uses it, but it exists in reality in a greater capacity than I gave it credit for before now

[karmic spoke]

@polar flicker can u update the wiki for me? range of flmaethrower is 7.5m (8 displayed ingame), spear is 4 and sledge is 2

oh I didn't etest the sledge secondary so that's only the primary

numbers for sledge and spear are +-0.5, the flamethwower is accurate

in game distance display is rounded up/down, so 7.5 is 8m, I tested with v9s falloff

dagger range 2.5m left

maybe 2.4

nah 2.5

3m secondary

OMG

I'm dumb I can use frame gen to measure more acucurate

maybe?

maybe not

idk

we'll try and findout

[karmic spoke]

land time is somewhat inconsistent

but only +- two frames I think

[polar flicker]

That will make it way more inaccurate. FG is ai frames hallucinated by your gpu

[polar flicker]

As much as i hate touching flamethrower including it's bible (wiki page) i shall update it for you

Okay so i have no idea where to put this since there's no range template for the thingo on the right only damage falloff and there's no other weapon with range stats once again only damage falloff stats

[karmic spoke]

I'm using amd, and I'm pretty sure this isn't ai, because the artifacts are AWFUL lol

the artifacts make it easy to tell when its an interpolated frame, and knowing it's an interpolated frame does increase the accuracy of measurement

it decreases the error because before the error is obs framerate/2 + game framerate/2

wiht framegen it's just obs framerate/2

those formulas for error might be wrong? but the idea is correct

seeing an artifacted frame, tells me that this frame is the minimum error

and then seeing the real frame, tells me that's the maximum error

artifacting is highly visible on the dagger

[polar flicker]

huh, that's funny

[karmic spoke]

not sure about the bow impact effect

[karmic spoke]

I think just put it down as falloff min/max 7.5m?

falloff multi 0 hahaha

[polar flicker]

Yeah that works

[karmic spoke]

thank you for helping me

[polar flicker]

no worries!

[polar flicker]

Is that for the spear's primary or secondary?

Also things are getting a bit funky again since there's no alt-fire min/max range template

[karmic spoke]

both

[polar flicker]

alr

[karmic spoke]

dagger is 2.5/3m primary secondary, I think just do 2.5m min falloff and 3m max falloff, and a note?

[karmic spoke]

very similar numbrs to my testing

so we're at least in the right ballpark

taking mesurements of individual segmenets of the animation, and then combinging their numbres and comparing to measurements of whole repeated chunks

[karmic spoke]

that is an unohly excel formula

[karmic spoke]

sword is 2.5m primary attack, swing animation is 0.22 and reload/backswing is 0.4ish

cyclic rate of 0.62ish

I'm not gonna do a lot of testing here lol

rought ttks

my measurements are a little high because I tested ttk on a heavy and got 2.032

but that's close enouhg

[karmic spoke]

sledge secondary is 2m too

riot is 2.5m

dual blades 2.5

[minor finch]

Right now some cosmetics have two season attributes

• SeasonEarned = when the item was earned
• Season = when the item was added

For example, a S1 ranked reward has SeasonEarned=1 and Season=2, because it wasn't actually given to players until S2.

But maybe this is confusing. We could have Season = when the item was introduced and not specify when it was technically added. So a S1 ranked reward would have SeasonEarned=1 and Season=1.

Any opinions?

And it's easy to have a separate SeasonAdded attribute that can be used if needed

[ionic heath]

SeasonAdded might be the way 🤔
sounds moke like an optional attribute unlike SeasonEarned

plus it will be less confusing to use with GetCosmetics at ranked/wt pages

[minor finch]

Yeah I agree

This also means the search form is more intuitive as people expect "introduced = S1" to show S1 ranked rewards. Instead of having to switch between added / earned.

[heavy gale]

InfoGridCards has been updated. For |image1–|image5, you must now pass only the file name, not full [[File:...]] wikitext. If you want the image to link to a page, you can do |page1-|page5 (e.g. |page1=OSPUZE)

This change was made because images were normally served at full res when no size param was set (which was basically every single one). This way images are now thumbnailed to a default width of 500px, reducing file sizes and improves image load times (for non-cached images) on pages that used IGC.

You can manually set a different size by using |imagesize1-|imagesize5 (e.g. |imagesize1 = 300px)

[ionic heath]

did the thing
V9S and Model 1900 weren't wikipedia links so i kept them cause i have nada gun knowledge

[sharp quarry]

I have the rough attack speed of the spear if ye need it

[lament grail]

Yeah, the Remington 1900 doesn't have a Wikipedia page because it's really just a generic double barrel shotgun with no notable features. Honestly the only indicator that is what the SH1900 is based on is just the name, it could otherwise be basically any other shotgun or no specific model.

As for the V9s, I'll go ahead and swap that out for the Wikipedia link to the Alien real quick

Frankly I'm on the fence about whether the SH1900 should even have a link, considering the one it has now gives barely any information, and is more or less a stand-in for a product page on Remington's site that would probably have a price on it if the gun wasn't discontinued in 1910

And linking to product pages is no Bueno, which is why the ARN's page doesn't have a link, because the only sites with info on the BRN-180 are product pages

The only actual articles on the thing are opinion pieces and reviews, which are also no bueno

[ionic heath]

hmm

[solar hull]

The new layout / feature for skins is amazing, well done bois

[minor finch]

ay glad it helps, thanks

[hallow furnace]

wow way better matchmaking this season

[minor finch]

I've split the Clothes page to stay within the template include size limit as more cosmetics get added

[mental hedge]

Woah

[heady marsh]

It would be cool to have a gif or random cosmetic for the thumbnail each time the page gets refreshed, idk if it's possible though

[lapis kindle]

haven't been here in a while but wanted to say the wiki is looking awesome. you guys have improved it a lot

[lament grail]

while updating the fcar's ttk table, I noticed the headshot damage was left as it was before at 33, which is wrong, but a direct 1.5x increase from 23 is 34.5. I don't know how The Finals handles fractional damage numbers from critical hit modifiers though, so does the game round up to 35, down to 34, or deal accurate fractional damage that just doesn't show up on the hud?

this is very important and will affect the accuracy of the time to kill chart. this is the difference between a heavy dying to either 10 headshots or 11

I ended up going with 35 figure for now, if only out of pity for this fcar "buff" that practically only slowed its time to kill in every situation except against medium on bodyshots and maybe heavy on headshots if it rounds up to 35 damage

[heavy gale]

it's 34.5, just tested it in a private match, shot person in head twice with FCAR, did 69 damage.

[lament grail]

Roger Roger, so the fcar straight up only performs any better than before against a medium on bodyshots

So much for being a buff

Fixed now

[ionic heath]

i forgot to change it my bad

technically speaking it's possible to automatically calculate damage profile table based on rpm, damage and headshot multiplier

[lament grail]

That's what I do, and as far as I'm aware, it's the only way to get a perfectly accurate time to kill. You take the rpm of a weapon, and divide it by 60, then you take the shots needed to kill a given class (so health divided by damage rounded to the larger whole number), subtract 1 (because the first shot is instant and doesn't count towards the total) and divide it by the first number

[ionic heath]

while making a formula for burst weapons i used 93r values and thought i was going crazy
rpm on the page was wrong

or maybe it's not wrong but is weird idk

[lament grail]

Very rough. I don't touch burst weapons because their rpms aren't constant

[ionic heath]

can someone fact check me if rpm is 312

[lament grail]

Is that meant to be averaged out? Because that's definitely faster than the pause between bursts but much slower than the rpm of a burst

[ionic heath]

yeah average rpm

on page it says 210 | 1000
i assume 210 is supposed to be average rpm?

[lament grail]

I feel like using an averages to get one rpm number instead of 2 for burst weapons might negatively impact the accuracy of its ttk calculations.

As far as I can tell, 210 is meant to represent the rpm during pauses, so between the last shot of one burst to the first shot of the next

It sounds too fast on a metronome because the burst itself is removed, which is why I assume it's counting from the last shot rather than begween trigger pulls

But I'm just speculating

I feel like the easiest solution really would be to not count the pauses as part of the rpm and just count them as static delays between trigger pulls.

So instead of 210 rpm, it would just be expressed as a delay of .29 seconds. That way the rpm of the burst itself (presumably 1000) would be calculated per ttk and then .29 seconds would be added between every burst to get a final time to kill stat

[ionic heath]

ok well
not knowing how we calculate rpm for burst weapons makes it a tiny bit harder

[ionic heath]

oh i was using both rpms
i was just using 210 as average rpm and 1000 as burst rpm

[lament grail]

Again I don't think 210 was an average, I think that was meant to represent the delay between bursts

[ionic heath]

yeah got it

[heavy gale]

210 came from Embark

[lament grail]

82 is also from embark for the bfr and 85 for the KS23, and both of those are verifiably off by more than 10 rpm. Frankly I don't know how much trust we should put in embarks numbers in that regard

Especially when they give us a single clean number for the rate of fire for a burst fire weapon, where we frankly have no idea what exactly it means or is derived from because accurately describing the rof of a burst weapon requires at least 2 values

[lament grail]

So I'm wrong about this and the real answer for what 210 really refers to is we have no idea

It could be an average, but then you'd have to ask which type of average

[ionic heath]

my guess that it's some value used by embark in their engine?
and it's probably not accurate rpm due to some other calculations in game

[lament grail]

Probably, but it's honestly difficult to blame engine calculations for innacurate values either since the vast majority of weapons do adhere to the rof values embark gives. As far as I'm aware, it's just the BFR and KS23 that don't, and the burst weapons we just never looked super closely at

[ionic heath]

does anyone need icons from new bp to add to the cargo table?
(i'm too lazy to do it myself)

[minor finch]

icons icons icons

when I fix my PC I'll start adding bundles again

I had a pretty fast workflow using OCR for the core attributes

could only use it for like one day

[ionic heath]

math news
i roughly counted how much items we need to add to the cargo table

||~9000 items including bundles||
maybe a little bit less than that

we've done only ||2373|| so far

both numbers a big but one is bigger somehow
math is weird

[polar flicker]

Well i think we can all agree that all trentila cosmetics should be our top priority

[ionic heath]

officially assign you to add all of them

[heavy gale]

Basically a quarter way there....you lot got this

[ionic heath]

remade LTMs page
since devs went on a reintroduction streak i feel like there's no point on repeating general descriptions/rules for most of them
https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Limited_Time_Modes

[minor finch]

we've actually made more progress than I thought then

[ionic heath]

someone added that nama cosmetic as an event reward
i don't have it and i don't see it in contracts for s2 bunny bash
was it a free store item or something?

[lone monolith]

Bunny Bash 2024 came with a Easter Circuit. Given it was showcased in the showcase video during the circuit bit I think it was a contract completion reward?

Although that might've been the bunny suit and it was a store item

It was a free store item, yeah.

[ionic heath]

thanks

[dapper sapphire]

wiki is down

same thing for the arc one

[polar flicker]

rip

[heady marsh]

lets hope no file breaks this time

[dapper sapphire]

ye

[polar flicker]

I swear if more items in my bible break i'm gonna go ape shit

[heady marsh]

i never understood why it breaks in first place

[dapper sapphire]

btw should i create a page for solo bank it?

[ionic heath]

entry on LTMs page is fine
not that different from og bank it to make a whole page for it

[dapper sapphire]

it was different imo, but ok
(im not saying this in an aggressive way, just okay)

[ionic heath]

well from game feel perspective maybe
but amount of differences in rules and how much you can squeeze out of it is not worth a full page

[dapper sapphire]

btw you you think "bank it 2.0" will have a diff name?

[ionic heath]

my guess judging by the teaser that it's going to be just bank it on fangwei themed after chinese new year maybe with some new game show event like with Ned during head2head

[dapper sapphire]

¯_(ツ)_/¯
bank it was on all map (exept peace center)

[ionic heath]

bank it or solo*

[dapper sapphire]

ye thats why i wanted to do the solo bank it page
btw if one day someone need to tutorial page for solo bank it youtu.be/9K-C0BetBCY (this is not an ad. of my channel)

[polar flicker]

I'm going ape shit

[heavy gale]

Huh? Nothing is missing

[polar flicker]

I'm fairly sure some of the sponsorship items broke

[ionic heath]

they were broken way before that

[polar flicker]

oh i thought new ones broke

[ionic heath]

i didn't reupload them cause i didn't have them at the time and soon after we started migrating to cargo table

i will reupload images when we get to them
or i can get them if you want to add them to cargo yourself ofc :D

[polar flicker]

I've wanted to upgrade the trentila page to the new cargo table but i haven't found the motivation to be bothered with learning how to upgrade the page. I might add the cosmetics to the cargo table tomorrow

[ionic heath]

oh upgrading is easy
ctrl+c ctrl+v type of stuff
we didn't do it for trentilla because most of the related items weren't in the cargo
not sure that even the half is there
so we kept the old table

[polar flicker]

IT'S ONE FUCKING "L". And yeah i didn't think many of them were there, I'll see about adding them tomorrow

[ionic heath]

now i have an unstoppable desire to always spell it with doble l

[polar flicker]

I now have an untoppable desire to have an unstoppable killing machine. Maybe i'll get me an orbital lazer on my space station like in gta

[ionic heath]

i've fixed the icons to get my trentila customer points back
there's no need for lazers

[polar flicker]

good...

[karmic spoke]

wiki down?

its working again

[ionic heath]

cns hacking cloudflare again

[polar flicker]

@ionic heath Do you know which trentila items we already have in the new thingo?

I know we have the gridline lime set and the thrash harvester but is that it?

[daring flower]

☝️ 🤓

This how you look when you say this shit

[ionic heath]

once the wiki is alive again i can update the page to use the template so you can see what have been added

[polar flicker]

It's been alive

unless it died again?

I think this is everything?

I'll do the deags, stickers and charms now

Ooo i just realised, are we doing sour core or not?

I think i've gotten everything now

I'll do the names later

[ionic heath]

it's not loading for me at the very least

[polar flicker]

Just checked, not working for me either

[ionic heath]

images should be on the wiki already
just search by name when you're adding the items (or by battle pass level "SS4_LV69" if it's a battle pass reward)
if they're low rez or with a watermark i'll upload highrez later

[daring flower]

Says they don't sell fertilizer but half the fucking cosmetics are just what agriculture workers wear

[polar flicker]

bruh

[ionic heath]

sponsorship items should be already added unless it's an outfit part

i think only sponsorship items not there are engimo that got missed by whoever was doing them
and most of the outfit parts

[polar flicker]

Well the sponsorship items broke so it wasn't a total waste

[ionic heath]

only sponsorship outfit done is ospuze (ofc)

battle pass items will be added later either by raid or me
i'm on the middle of the 6th rn
i think the racing bundle was there but i can be mistaken
maybe circuit reward isn't there also but i maybe i added it

[ionic heath]

also use caps in file for the name of the cosmetics
99% has caps and most likely you'll be uploading a duplicate

but to be fair raid added awesome feature with image search in forms so it's not big of a deal unless you're uploading them via batch upload ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dapper sapphire]

Heyyyy guess what the wiki is down (again, same thing for the arc raiders wiki)

(It was working an hour ago for me at least)

[minor finch]

Image preview should also work with this feature btw but there's some Page Forms JS hook not firing. You can actually make it work by re-running the JS in the console after page load. Need to look into a permanent fix.

Because it's annoying they aren't compatible atm

[ionic heath]

also for some reason after you upload an image it's no longer automatically fills it in
it fills in the text but when you save the item image is empty
you gotta click on the box and select the item from the search

[minor finch]

I've found that after uploading you need to click the input box for it to register the change. Might be related to the JS not firing

It will change width when registered

[dapper shadow]

yo i know i'm probably really dumb for asking this but is the wiki down rn? seems like i cant get to it

[polar flicker]

Yes

[dapper shadow]

oh

[frigid stone]

@minor finch These three badges for CNS have IsLevelRepresentation set to 0, which prevents them from showing up in the CNS tabber on the Sponsorship page. I can't change that attribute with the edit cosmetic form:

• https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Cosmetic?C[ID]=11343&_run
• https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Cosmetic?C[ID]=11349&_run
• https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Cosmetic?C[ID]=11354&_run

[frigid stone]

I'm also adding the Engimo's sponsorship items to the new system right now and IsLevelRepresentation is set to 0 for them as well.

[frigid stone]

I can manually fix them by editing the source, but a checkbox in the form would be nice since getting to the Cosmetic page to edit its source is a bit of a pain

[ionic heath]

IsLevelRepresentation checkbox is in battlepass part of the form

[minor finch]

oh right, it's hidden behind the battle pass checkbox, I should move it outside as it applies to sponsorships too

[ionic heath]

now you can check
https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Trentila#Related_Items

[polar flicker]

ty

I completely forgot about the grow dome. Combining head and facewear was a good idea

ohh a lot of these are combined now!

alright i'll add the shak and luchador stuff

[lone monolith]

Wiki's down again. Please stand by

[minor finch]

Yea the more tabbers, the more times {{GetCosmetics}} needs to be transcluded, which pushes each page closer to the template size limit. Combining tabbers helps a lil bit.

[polar flicker]

@ionic heath Uploaded all of the luchador parts to the new thingo, how do i add it to the trentila bible?

[ionic heath]

they should automatically be added
that's the cool part of the cargo table
no need to update all the pages manually

[polar flicker]

I'm not seeing them. i made sure to mark them as being sponsored by trentila

[ionic heath]

oh give it some time
or let me update the page cache manually

[ionic heath]

now you should see it

[polar flicker]

Lovely

I'll add the what's his-tits-Aztec guy tomorrow

[sinful yarrow]

Hey heyyyy, any chance anyone has the rank icon PNGs?

[ionic heath]

big chance
with one * though

[minor finch]

Normal/original icons are on the leagues page, we haven't added the badge variants just yet though
https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Ranked_Leagues

[ionic heath]

@minor finch All Battle Passes page reached template limit

do we separate each battle pass onto it's own page now?

i now wonder if these pages can be transcluded back to the main page via <tabbertransclude> without tapping into the page limit 🤔
probably no

[minor finch]

we could have a tabber on each season page to switch between a card view (w/ page tabs) and table view, possibly

we also need ways to reduce the size of transcluded content in general, temp removing icons from cards on the All BPs page made S2 appear again

[ionic heath]

i don't mind that idea
no need for separate page

[frigid stone]

I did make these replica-ish ones a while back for ruby

[heady marsh]

https://www.thefinals.wiki/w/index.php?title=Charge_'N'_Slam&curid=199&diff=44383&oldid=39974 they changed the wrong page?

[ionic heath]

whoever tries to create all the changes from every new patch as quickly as possible and leaves a bunch of empty placeholders on the pages will be eaten alive
it's not a speedrun challenge take your time to fill in the info, you're not saving any time for whoever is is going to fix it

[heady marsh]

this, sometimes I feel the breath of 5 wiki editors after any update lol

[ionic heath]

not only the wrong page
it's closer to a bug fix
i assume we're not adding these to history

i'll create lunar new year page in a moment
need to get the images

[polar flicker]

Fr

[ionic heath]

s-soo.... it's,, no longer PS exclusive..?

[heady marsh]

oh yes the Horsechinese_01 sticker

[lone monolith]

Isn't the first time they've started selling PS+ Bundles after the fact, they've done it once before.

Think the first one was that orange glow matrix bundle?

[lament grail]

just updated all the stats and histories for the changed weapons, with the exception of the bfr firerate because that's been proven untrustworthy

I will be testing it as soon as my game is updated

repeater is also interesting because its ttks on the wiki were slower before I updated them despite the rpm going down, so either that table was wrong or the rpm embark gave us was wrong, so I'll be testing that too

ah, I see. the rpm number is wrong, but whoever changed the stats before me reverted it to embarks number, which is higher than it's supposed to be. I'll be fixing that as soon as I can

[lament grail]

after some testing, the BFR's rate of fire appears not to have changed at all. Repeaters rof did change, embark's number was wrong (as usual), and its wiki page is correct now

[magic oasis]

do we know the WT point rewards of bank it?

seems like even second place is just 2 points, wow

wait no 2nd might have been 4 i think i miscounted

seems like 2nd is 4 and 1st is 6

[ionic heath]

it's the same as quick cash then
only difference is 4th place maybe
it's either 1 point or the same as 3rd place

i can't test because i already have emerald 1

[magic oasis]

anyone know what the timer is of the final round of non-ranked cashout? is it the same as ranked?
cause ranked is like 20 minutes right?

[ionic heath]

it should be the same

[cinder island]

ye

[agile goblet]

Did yall know that hornet is the secret mastermind of multico

[karmic spoke]

Ok guys, Nulliifer grants +100 xp for a kill after a use

[karmic spoke]

So nullifier, hit an enemy and then kill them after the null, results in 150 xp

[daring flower]

Nullifier is mega cringe

[ionic heath]

what's a rough time frame to get the kill for the xp?

and do assists count?

[karmic spoke]

I have not tested remotely that far

but it seemed to fairly long

+50xp for one of (assist/rescue a teammate with null) not sure

I suspect it was +50xp for assist in the window, but I'm not sure

the kill assit was a fair while after the null, which is why I think it might have been +50 for rescue

[ionic heath]

50 for null
+50 for assist
+100 for kill
🤔

[karmic spoke]

you only get +50 for an assist

100 total on assits (possibly rescues)

[ionic heath]

if we figure out a time to get an assist/kill it would be nice
I'll put that on the nullifier page

[karmic spoke]

don't quote me on assists yet plz, i wanna test better

I will test the time limit eventually

I suspect +50 for interuppt cashouts also but again, need to test better

[ionic heath]

valid

I'll add 150 for the null+kill if you're certain in that xd

[karmic spoke]

I can get a lower bound on the time cuz I recorded some of thes ting

I'm sure on that, I did a tdm only using null 1 time and recorded it

thats how i can get lower bound

[ionic heath]

👌

[karmic spoke]

hly fk i'm watching 15mins of me tdming and swapping to null and not suing it haha

ok this is uselss as a lower bound

8 frames at 72fps

yeah thats fucking usless hahahaha

so, if you get a kill within 111ms of the null ending, it will for sure give an extra 100xp

yeah I used it one time and then I swapped in gas grenade so I couldn't accidentalyl use it again

[ionic heath]

@polar flicker

[polar flicker]

lol

[karmic spoke]

and here's the kill itself

ah actually

I just recorded a game where I got +300xp on null and I had two kills after nulling

I might be able to get a better referrence here becuase they were mediums

ok first one I forgt to record

ok, i got a steal block

ok so steal block is +100xp

I hit one null +kill for 150 xp, before I recorded; first fight after I started recording I die becuase I had forgotten to reload null

then I missed my null a couple times

and I hit it for the steal block only

let me just double check that I didn't hit any nulls

yeah

ok

i'm gonna test if you get xp for zapping someone who then dies to a teammate

Currently:

Hit enemy: 50xp
Steal block: 100xp
Kill: 100xp

ok, I've just done a zap no damage annd we'll find out if i get xp

zap no damage total xp is 150

So, any kill after zap is +100xp

not sure if saving teammate is a +50 or if I accidentalyl used it twice and didn't realize

this is way better footage for a floor too, cuz it took my team a while to kill him

[polar flicker]

If you ever need to do this stuff in a private match i'm down to help

[karmic spoke]

I dont think u get xp from private matches? not sure

[polar flicker]

ohh true. rip

[karmic spoke]

hahah yeah this kinda sucks

it gives me a sense of purpose though, so i enjoy it anyway

plus it's a fun challenge to try to make a situation where I can get the situation I want to test

[polar flicker]

I'm still down to help in a duo by hunting down whoever you nullified though even if it isn't in a private match

[karmic spoke]

like, to measure the xp on thermal bore, I quickmelee'd a wall a shitload to measure its' hp and chunk size, and then tried to isolate a single chunk for the correct enviromental damage

[polar flicker]

You're insane

[karmic spoke]

it's a really fun challenge, but it's fkn pain in the ass hahahah

40 quickmelees to kill most walls btw, 1600hp

I got pretty bad health that means I can't work, and even playing games "properly" is often a challenge, so finding ways I can engauge my brain and do something intersting is valuable hahaha

part of the reason why I play grapple is because dash light is predicated on hitting your shots, where grapple light can just cheese a win by sneaking vaults hahahaha

if my arthritus gets real bad mid-game I can backup plan and yoink to victory

so yeah, even when the testing is kinda painstaking and boring, I enjoy it becaseu it breaks up the monotony and is something unique to do

so plz let me know if there's anything specific you're interested in hahaha

[polar flicker]

I respect any strat that isn't cl-40 or flamethrower atp

[polar flicker]

I will!

[karmic spoke]

oooh, I will say, I'm not sure if the guy who was stealing the cashout lived; so there might not be bonus xp for blocking a steal

that might have been no damage assist xp

103.138888

106.625

so the window for a Null - > teammate killing them, is at least 3.5s

and you get +100 xp for an enemy dying to your team within 3.5s

So:

Nulling an enemy : 50xp
Enemy dying to your team, within at least 3.5s: 100xp
Steal block: unknown

Enemy dying to other team: unknown

STEAL BLOCKED AND ENEMY SURVIVED! YEAH!

Steal block, enemy survived: 150xp total, 100xp for blocking steal and 50xp for nullingsomeone

now I gotta test steal block, enemy dies

just make sure they're not exclusive for some weird reason

ok i'm actually gonna call this one upper bound testing

hhhuuuh?

it appears that it's actually just 150xp per hit, no bonus for anything

OK yeah, no there's no bonuses, it's just been shadow buffed to 150xp per hit

i tested it some time in late s8 or early s9 and it was 50xp/hit I'm 90% sure

[karmic spoke]

yeah I'm 99% sure it's just been shadowbuffed to 150xp a hit in the last patch

maybe the one before that?

[karmic spoke]

Sorry, it was just a shadow buff from 50xp a null to 150xp a null

I guess they really do read all my whiney message to support about how slow it is to level? hahahaha

there's no bonus for kills or anything

I'm 99% sure that I was getting 50xp/null a few weeks ago

yeah I got no idea when it was changed, the oldest video I had was jan 26th at 150xp/null

[karmic spoke]

i assume the 50xp/null was at somepoint correct

[ionic heath]

oh-
lmao xD

[karmic spoke]

When everything was giving 150xp I started to get suspicious lol

I'm 100% sure it was 50xp when I first used null though

And I didn't do the OG testing on wiki so probably just a shadow buff

[ionic heath]

I'm also pretty sure it was 50 cause i played with null one game and i still have 100xp for hitting just 2 people x3

[karmic spoke]

Hahahah

[ionic heath]

make them xp buff reshaper next pretty please
it took me 3 weeks to get lvl 2 on it

[karmic spoke]

Lmao I never play medium so you're gonna have to send your own complaints to embark support hahah

[ionic heath]

i just want a silly charm

[karmic spoke]

I've been working hard to get this skin lmao

only 111k left hahahhahah

[ionic heath]

rip

[karmic spoke]

I only need to zap 740 people

with a 17s cd (15+reload) that's only 4 hours if I zap off cooldown

if I really , really, really wanted to

I could grind it in a day in tdm

I am not going to do that, that sounds

unbelievably painful

[ionic heath]

yeah some gadgets do need a buff for the xp gain
I've been playing with c4 for 3 seasons straight and I'm only on level 8

[karmic spoke]

the actual fuck

[ionic heath]

yep

[karmic spoke]

c4 is at least pretty nice to use

if you focus on using it like a frag grenade rather than playing with it as drop, you'd probably level it faster

and tbh, I think it's underrated as a frag

[ionic heath]

if only there was higher xp for environmental damage
some might say the main purpose of the gadget >:C

[karmic spoke]

with those damage numbers? not a shot it's intended as enviro damage

[ionic heath]

it's a nice damage tool if you're playing chased but in other cases
eh

[karmic spoke]

here's my light gadget collection

[ionic heath]

i think most of the xp i got was from me killing random lights with it when they were nearby cashout

[karmic spoke]

pyro 13 and frag is 9.5

c4 is for sure underrated as a frag, but it's hard to use as a frag becasue it's heavy and has a long fuze time

[ionic heath]

yeah i have 13 on pyro even tho i barely use it

[karmic spoke]

pyro xp scaling is the only reason why anyone plays it lmao

really having only lvl 4 goo greenade is fairly embarassing

having lvl 4 goo and lvl 5 smoke is very embarassing hahahaha

tbh I should probaly practice using the breach gadgets more but I kinda just grab red barrels? I don't find myself that in need of breach usually

[ionic heath]

goo nade xp is hard cause it's not often opponents shoot it

[karmic spoke]

whenever i have a block damage challenge i go powershift and throw goo on platform, it's like magic

[ionic heath]

very true

[karmic spoke]

I actually level it super fast when I use it, but I just hate using it

I'm so much better at using flash or smoke, probaly becuase they're obth better offensively and I'm overagressive lol

I have lvl 13 flash and bow, too, but I hate how lvl 13 looks so I just use 12 hahahah

I'm so hyped for my nullifier to not be ugly though

lvl6 null being the only good null skin is very cringe

[polar flicker]

Fair enough. M is boring as fuck and i honestly think it's in a worse state than light ever was

[karmic spoke]

mediums dps/hp/hitbox ratio is super OP imho, but their gadgets and specs are appauling lmao

and when you have gadgets like h+, rpg, dome, c4, gateway on other classes, having tasty damage and a lot of health isn't a big deal lol

defib is crap unless you're defibbing a heavy, and it's still mediocre there, because you're starting from a position of weakness
jump pad only exists to make gateway better lmao
and goo grenade is a generic gadget and medium's 3rd best gadget 🤣

[polar flicker]

I don't think the gadgets are bad but they're really boring

[karmic spoke]

double heavy needs a gateway or a jump pad to be able to play the game, so it's just whichever one is less shit as a 3rd teammate

and right now h+, glitch and gateway are worlds better than any of mediums gadgets or specs

[polar flicker]

Yeah if your 3rd light isn't providing transport with their gateway you're fucked

[karmic spoke]

yeah I don't use gateway because my gateways are game losing, so if I have double heavy it's instant lose

I'd rather play triple light than lhh

I have tried playing gateway, but I always end up yeeting my team to their death 🤣

[karmic spoke]

I mean, they're not like, "bad" but relatively to the power level of the other class specific gadgets, they're fucking awful

Only defibs are even close to the power of lh gadgets

[polar flicker]

Defibs are good if it's a last minute cashout or if you get lucky and get undeservingly rewarded for a bad defib. I still think you should be able to shoot them to kill them as they're being revived by defib

[karmic spoke]

And I also think defibs are grossly overrated tbh

Requiring you to have already lost the fight to be useful is not good

But like, data reshaper etc, are even worse than defibs by any measure

Data reshaper Vs glitch grenade is insulting lol

[polar flicker]

Reshaper's decent. i stg people loose all of their brain cells when reshaper's brought up and only have the arguement of "It's bad because it's bad" in a state of blind, angry copium

But yeah glitch does have more uses. Especially since it can get rid of dome from the outside

[karmic spoke]

Glitch also is aoe meaning it can affect way more stuff

Reshaper is 2 charges right?

[polar flicker]

Yeah. Should be returned back to 3 charges like it was

[karmic spoke]

At a minimum

Like glitch grenade can hit two players, a turret and a dome lmao

Meanwhile reshaper has two charges and you gotta hit the timing to block the RPG projectile and you need to jump inside dome to break it

That's not even in the same league of power

Reshaper is probably better than gravity vortex/gravity cube

But it's so far behind the good lh gadgets, and I'm 100% sure it's mediums best unique gadget

[polar flicker]

100% sure it's mediums best unique gadget
Preach 🙏

[karmic spoke]

Glitch works on gateway and reshaper doesn't too

[polar flicker]

Reshaper's good if there's heaps of mines on the cashout and for a team that's using lots of turrets

[karmic spoke]

I fought a triple turret team yesterday lol, I would've appreciated a reshaper there gahah

[polar flicker]

But people go brain damage mode and say "jUsT sHoOt ThEm" Yeah because who doesn't want an empty mag before starting a gun fight?

[karmic spoke]

If the enemy is so weak they don't think to push when you're running out of bullets after shooting turret, then they're weak enough you're not gonna be complaining hahahah

[polar flicker]

I once fought a team of 3 cl-40's 2 turrets and heal with them running glitch trap. If i ever see those 3 fuckwits irl i'm tearing them a new asshole

[karmic spoke]

Most turret players are new players though, so that is often the case hahah

[karmic spoke]

That's how you know they're not new players with turret; those guys are meta turret players

Glitch trap turret cl40 is disgusting

[polar flicker]

Scumfuck stains on this earth.

[karmic spoke]

Gahaha

But yeah, glitch trap is also ass

The radius is tiny and it's hp is tiny

It's a good gadget choice on medium, but again, compared to lh gadgets, super disappointing

But part of mediums problem is that since their gadgets are so mid, there isn't a draw to play medium except defib, meta slaving, or the guns

Appoh was talking about his team comp for a tournament a week ago and his team was lhh, because their a turtle team/defensive team, and if they need a defib they've already lost lol

So it just makes way more sense to take light because defibs are the only "real" advantage that medium has

[polar flicker]

The guns of which being boring rifle, just got nerfed, probably ass, disgusting, worst gun in the whole game, boring rifle burst edition, boring rifle, dogshit, okay smg, okay DMR, huge commitment and... a decent melee

[karmic spoke]

Hahaha

Cerberus is looking pretty strong, my friend was destroying with it today, although he does decently with most weapons

I think the model is in a okay spot now the repeater has been nerfed, because tis finally better than repeater again hahah

One of models biggest problems was that it was just a directly worse repeater

And trh p90 is probably op after last buff, apparently pros were already scrimmint with it hahaha

And while the boring rifles are indeed very boring, they're also veryyyy strong

They're like arn, boring as sin but they hurt good

[polar flicker]

I will never understand why they don't just make model do 12.5 per pellet. If 13 is op and 12 still leaves in a bad spot why not meet it half way? there are already weapons that do X.5 damage with their headshot damage, no?

[karmic spoke]

Me and xp54

There's also fractional values on afterburn damage from fire, and in weapon damage in falloff

The xp really needs better damage per mag more than anything, and I think a small rof nerf and .5 damage per shot would be perfect for it

For better context on the boring rifles being good, the arn is 204 DPS and the fcar is 199

And, this is a hot take, I think the matter would be better if it had identical stats to the model, except a box reload

[polar flicker]

Matter is like the only weapon on light i'm competent with

[karmic spoke]

Btw, at least one good thing came from all my running around wiht nullifier; I finally did this achievenment hahahah

[polar flicker]

https://youtu.be/nSyfd42TT1A?si=Kpo2F2yHevm_a0BW

I'm pretty sure the mine only turned into that big plant because it was on Bernal

[karmic spoke]

hahah that's a good one

[waxen sinew]

does anyone have definitive stats on the speed of projectile weapons in this game?

because there's no information on the SR84, bow and the information on throwing knives is wildly conflicting (from 166m/s to 15m/s???? )

[karmic spoke]

it's 15m/100ms

150m/s

embarkd oesn't know how to write patch notes

this is the information on bow projectile speed

seeems to be inital velcoity of around 240m/s

the drag logic is too complex for me to resolve clearly

[waxen sinew]

I swear to god this game is more fucking black box than sand box what do you mean basic fucking information like projectile speed can't even be properly figured out

[karmic spoke]

data miners might be able to do a better job, but finals uses a heavily modified unreal, so normal unreal datamining tools don'tw ork

I'm just frame counting

[lone monolith]

We're selective in what we ask Embark for since it takes a while and specifically for gameplay things they tend to be a little sheepish about sharing.

If there's some inconsistency with projectile speed it's probably because it changed at some point and we didn't catch it or whoever calculated it slipped up.

[waxen sinew]

maybe I've been spoiled or something by older software standards where people were much more open or able to just look inside at how games worked innately but the finals is just so restrictive in comparison to the last shooter I mained which was TF2 where you had a substantial amount of the same control as devs by booting up your own offline server.

like even for other games I can still at least say I know there are private server versions but for this game there's genuinely nothing. It's a total black box.

[lone monolith]

Most(?) of the game is ran on a server unfortunately. Doubt it would run on anything right now if they were doing the destruction locally.

[waxen sinew]

that is true I suppose. This game does a lot more serverside than most.

[lone monolith]

Movement is also serverside so you don't have weird desync between the destruction and players, and then that ties into hit-reg and projectiles which are both probably also server-side

[waxen sinew]

well to be fair if it was hosted on a private server it would probably run better regardless because embark seems to have rented IBMs from like pre y2k to do all the maths

[lone monolith]

They definitely need to do a little bit of work on the servers for S10.

It's been fine for me for the most part, but that's probably just because I'm close to a server?

[waxen sinew]

sometimes I get ping spikes despite playing the same region where it would feel like I'm playing on another continent's servers but then every time I ask my teammates would affirm that I am indeed playing at the right region.

[ionic heath]

added an option to switch battle pass to table on the season page

[coarse junco]

im on 34.5k rs and my partner is on 33k we just won a ranked and I got 860 they got 700 why the difference for someone lower than me

[ionic heath]

i have a distant memory that performance in match can influence the amount of rs gain/loss
but i might be wrong
i have a feeling that was mentioned with s9 changes

[waxen sinew]

Definitely was a thing in the chinese version with its own rs system but idk about international

[carmine axle]

yall need to change the s9 time cuz it has been delayed to 35 days

[heady marsh]

Can you give more info, what should we change it to

[carmine axle]

The menu says it’s 35 days left so it is probably 27 march

[void violet]

Hey guys I need some help, idk why but since the new big season I got some high Punkt and that’s only the case in the finals and also some strong fps drops any ideas why? I don’t have these issues in any other game only in the Finals

[teal furnace]

does anyone know if explosives like rpg/c4 gain xp off of arena damage or player damage?

[ionic heath]

both i think
but arena damage is very small

[polar flicker]

C4 should give you exp for preventing steals since that's it's main use

[minor finch]

you should get XP in general for interrupting steals (unless you do already?)

[polar flicker]

Oh, that's good

[celest orbit]

How does charge n slam’s Slam damage correspond to height?

[polar flicker]

As far as i know it doesn't but i am also fairly sure i'm wrong

[celest orbit]

Well thanks lol

[daring flower]

Moolah and Nama Tama are probably the tastiest mascots

[lament grail]

it very much does, at least the final slam does. i don't know how it scales, but I do know that a slam from high enough, for example the high rise on skyway stadium, can deal enough damage to instakill a heavy. I've seen values as high as 400 some damage from just the slam, and I'm fairly certain there is no discrete cap

[polar flicker]

I knew i was wrong!

@celest orbit

[summer bridge]

the cap is 180

I think
they said it in tbe patch they nerfed charge n slam

[minor finch]

Updated the cosmetic form to include a "guided mode" that only shows specifically relevant fields. Should make it a bit more accessible.

https://thefinals.wiki/wiki/Add_Cosmetic#

[tepid ferry]

Do we still get diamond skins even if we demote from diamond ?? And also for ruby do we have to touch it or stay there till end of season to get the skins?

[summer bridge]

the only one you have to hold is ruby

[ionic heath]

season 6 ranked skins have different names for some reason?

[heady marsh]

what do you mean

[ionic heath]

i'm pretty sure that minigun is s6 ranked reward and it does have the same golden pattern
even S8 is named gilded enforcer
man if prior to season 6 skins also had unique names istg

[heady marsh]

I swear Embark hates wiki contributors

[ionic heath]

is it just the minigun?
i just started playing by the end of season 6 and wasn't playing ranked much so i don't have anything else

[heady marsh]

I mean, it seems so, maybe they forgot to put the ranked nomination to it

[ionic heath]

ok i checked ruby and diamond are named normally
if anyone can confirm that plat repeater is named S6 PLATINUM PEAK i can rest peacefully

[heady marsh]

i don't have plat repeater ):

[polar flicker]

Want me to check what my season 5 gold skin is called?

[ionic heath]

sure

[ionic heath]

ok so minigun is the outlier...

[coral halo]

I’m lost what best gun for medium

[grizzled sleet]

Meta-wise, people tend to say Repeater. In actuality, it's the gun you perform the best with and what you want to play most.

[coral halo]

Fact

Fcar

[grizzled sleet]

My personal 3-gun rotation with Medium is FCAR, P90, and Cerb 12A.

FCAR as "go-to", P90 if there is a lot of medium/heavies (I play Point Break only) for severe poking, and Cerb in a "half the enemy team is Lights, we're on Monaco, or both."

[ionic heath]

math update
we're at 3 our of 9k
1/3 is done

[minor finch]

when I'm back on my PC (again) I'll blast through more store bundles

[heady marsh]

I will slowly upload all hd weapon icons to the wiki

[lone monolith]

Gonna have to go through the skins and check that we don't have anything wrong price wise. https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/comments/1rfgqlq/is_embark_increasing_its_prices_for_sales/

Already fixed this one, but I'll do a quick sweep later today and see if I see anything else that looks odd.

[minor finch]

tbh fair mistake, TIL legendary skins even go above 800

[grave lava]

where can i send a clip for a chance to be featured in a compilation?

[polar flicker]

Next time there's a compilation they'll chuck an announcement in #game-announcements with a link to where you can put your clip

[grave lava]

thanks! i'll keep an eye out

[violet lance]

#server-announcements message

[polar flicker]

So that's why i couldn't find it in game announcements, it wasn't there!

[grave lava]

many thanks

[ionic heath]

I WROTE 800 AS A DEFAULT FOR LEGENDARY
I DIDN'T NOTICE

[celest orbit]

Heh

[solar hull]

There's a minor spelling mistake on the Point Break page, In the Overview section, it says "Defenders - Deplete Attacking Team's Respawn Credits" 🤓 ☝️

[frosty bluff]

Is there a wiki page on the "magentic glove" aka the ability to grap objebts?

[ionic heath]

https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Arena_Carriables

[heady marsh]

It seems correct to me, what do you mean?

[solar hull]

wait is deplete an actual word?

[polar flicker]

lmao

[solar hull]

oh my god it's an actual word

[polar flicker]

It doesn't have the red zigzag when i type it so, yeah

[solar hull]

https://tenor.com/view/wet-owl-gif-5658056727679848013

[polar flicker]

XD

[solar hull]

and the embed doesn't work, i'm going to loose it

[heady marsh]

That mf always saves the day

[heady marsh]

I suggest you hide after this -Aura combos

[polar flicker]

The only reason i don't type like a bumbling idiot is because of it

[heady marsh]

The divine red

[polar flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-house-house-gif-perms-perms-meme-gif-12015461828279577511

[polar flicker]

Next he's gonna say he doesn't know what a combo is

[heady marsh]

Joseph Joestar ahh

[polar flicker]

Saying this reminds me of how I once saw someone say "One-boe combo" instead of "Wombo combo"

[vocal surge]

[heady marsh]

I've finished uploading all gadgets and weapon mastery icons in hd, hope I didn't miss anything

[primal stump]

hey the wiki about goo has contradicting info on its duration, also its missing the patchnotes info, like the hp adjustment

[cinder island]

just thought id drop this here but the carve and load ak animation is a tactical reload not a inspect and the shoulder draw deploy is missing

[ionic heath]

fixed
if you make an account you can these fix errors yourself

[cinder island]

I’ll look into it I don’t often do wiki things I just saw this and thought I’d mention it

[ionic heath]

nobody tested goo since last goo update so the info mostly outdated
including images, duration and health

and i think it's possible that goo from goo grenade can have different hp from all other sources of goo, considering how it was presented in patch notes

[polar flicker]

How could they do such a thing to my beloved AK

[ionic heath]

i'm fcar enthusiast

[polar flicker]

Fcar doesn't have as much style y'see

[ionic heath]

mythic skin has banger music tho

[polar flicker]

AK is like A tier in terms of style

[frosty musk]

why is the hitbox on sledgehammer so big?

[heady marsh]

most of the time is not that the hitbox is big but it's the server desync that makes it appear so

[spice apex]

It’s a big hammer

[frosty musk]

it’s a small hammer with an bigger hitbox that invisible

[proven thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-souls-iii-soul-of-cinder-hitboxes-gif-27408455

Maybe coded like dark souls hitboxes where they use circles and cylinders

[urban portal]

Considering spheres are the best for performance followed by cylinders, most probably

[spice apex]

What hammer is bigger than a sledge, that a person would hold O_O

[polar flicker]

a cheese wheel

[sour breach]

yall theres a big missing area for the nocotvantage set

this dog, i dunno why it aint there but i coulda swore it was at one point

[ionic heath]

we recently switched to a new system for cosmetics and the old stuff wasn't fully transferred yet

~3500 out of ~9000 stuff was added so we're a bit far from done

@silent @minor finch made a tool to quicken the process, but em computer dead
it's a bit raw and it only works for store bundles as of rn

[minor finch]

ya here it is
https://github.com/Raid-36/cosmetic-utility

I can't work on it currently, so it's not been improved for a while

[ionic heath]

Does anyone know what else was in this bundle?
https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Cosmetic?C[ID]=14456&_run
Judging by the picture it might have been a haircut or was it just two item bundle?

[narrow knot]

only these two

[ionic heath]

o7

[dusty quail]

man he did so much 🫡

[vagrant glade]

did anybody ever replace zafferman? is there an up to date TTK list for all the weapons since he left?

[ionic heath]

i think ape squad has ttks
https://apesquad.org/gundata

[lament grail]

ape squad's ttks are updated and mostly good, but they're incorrect for some specific manually operated weapons (CB-01 Repeater, BFR Titian, KS-23, and Model 1887 as far as I'm aware but their could be others) because the RPM values they use are the ones provided by embark in patch notes even though those values have been proven wrong by community testing repeatedly

embark's values for these weapons are generally anywhere between 5-10 rpm faster than real tested values (which is a huge difference for 50-80rpm slow firing weapons), so ape squad's charts will say those weapons kill substantially faster than they actually do. the wiki uses the community tested values though, so our ttk charts are, if not completely perfect, much more accurate than theirs

my personal guess as to why embark's numbers on those specific weapons are reliably wrong but not others is because they use a weird logic system to control bolt/pump/lever action weapons in code and then reverse engineer that math into an rpm number to put in the patch notes, while other weapons just follow an easy simple rpm stat that can be directly copied from code

and I guess they just don't do any testing to make sure the number that they're giving us in the patch notes is an accurate representation of how fast the weapon fires

[reef bough]

does anyone know where to find the tutorial?

[elder cape]

@vagrant glade I think this version is more up to date https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CAlLb9ebPWtXdsRKocSeIddDGa4xy5Hn3pzz4poGpD0/edit?usp=sharing

[minor finch]

regarding these changes, I don't think we should replace headings with tabbers in places that headings make sense. tabbers are usually for categorizing content, not structuring it.

[lament grail]

this doc also has the same issues using embark's rpm values as ape squad's site. apart from that, both resources are fully up to date

though I would generally trend toward's ape squad's site because of its interactive falloff graph and generally more readable presentation

though the doc is better if you need all the information visible at once without needing to click around a bunch

and for BFR, KS, model, and Repeater specifically, just use the wiki

[heady marsh]

sorry abt that, i saw it was used in the 93r page and decided to batch change the other ones (only light)

[minor finch]

ah gotcha

[lament grail]

funny enough, CL40 has the same issue, as the last official rpm value we got from embark was a crazy 210 rpm, but that was so laughably inaccurate that even other sites use the community tested value of roughly 75

though with the rapid fire exploit for the CL going around, maybe they were onto something

[heady marsh]

i'll revert them if you want

[minor finch]

that would be great so it's consistent w/ headers. I can too if it's a lot of effort

[heady marsh]

nah i will take care, I did it in first place so

[minor finch]

[ionic heath]

so Specter is a sponsor or just some org?

[dusty quail]

https://www.alfaacta.net/

some sponsor stuff to document if you guys want it!

[ionic heath]

already added x3

i actually was waiting till it was fully up

[dusty quail]

the website has a lot of high quality images

[ionic heath]

not many of them we can use in the alfa acta article tho
plus most of them are from season 6 already

maybe i'll add products from the page to the wiki later tho

[dusty quail]

most wikis have a "media" tab where images go

[ionic heath]

btw another cargo table update:
4300 out of ~9500 (before I didn't take into account gestures, animations, voices, sounds and all that stuff)

[ionic heath]

facts actually...

[dapper sapphire]

Hmm

I let you have fun

[ionic heath]

interestingly this image is a frame from a video based on it's name...

this too actually

either from the upcoming trailer or sponsor vignette 👀

[ionic heath]

probably not the best way to do that....

oh well
someone else will change it if it's too much

[fathom whale]

If were not going to space after all Ill be really sad

[violet lance]

isn't that just from the Season 6 Sponsors trailer?

[ionic heath]

you're right
i overhyped it

[sleek solstice]

New ALFA ACTA Products:

• Modular Tactical Mace

• Eviscerator No. 4 (Default Mace Head)

• Scorpion X Tactical (Mace Head)

• Kranium 2000 (Mace Head)

• Family Fortress Upgrade Kit
  (Including)

• Hello/Goodbye doormat

• 360 Inflatable Moat

• Pre Heated Siege Oil

• Rent a Horde

[polar flicker]

Lmao

[heady marsh]

how many mace heads do you want? ALFA ACTA: Yes

[grizzled parcel]

i cant tell between the eviscerator and the kranium 2000 which one is supposed to explode

[mint nova]

Raiders

[minor finch]

@dapper sapphire did we have the exact same idea for the progression icon? 😄

I made this a while ago but never finished and uploaded it

[dapper sapphire]

oh

i also got the idea of making the tf icon below but i didnt have any idea for the upper part, and you also seem to not having an idea for the upper part

but me i rly did it quickly so, some thingies are wierd
but also yipeeeee same idea

if we open we can see the wings are wierd

[minor finch]

It would probably be tricky to replicate SPEAR's blue/red outline style, so I was thinking maybe we switch all icons to just flat white? (which they used to be). I have flat white versions for all icons besides the T-shirt.

or a new outline style that we create from scratch

[dapper sapphire]

yup i used the old 2d version style

[heady marsh]

I can try to make that white too

[lyric mantle]

Is this about weapon mastery badges or no? Bc i saw spear mentioned

[heady marsh]

weapon mastery badges?

[lyric mantle]

Just smth ppl have been asking for, for ages

[heady marsh]

ohh that thing, I personally think that they would be useless as we already have the skins, but still could be a cool concept

[lyric mantle]

Yeaa, more so a personal thing, but i dont know how it would work, maybe certain badges for certain levels of guns

[heady marsh]

or maybe just follow the standard "material" Concepts, (silver gold diamond ecc)

[dapper sapphire]

raid you see i took some inspiration from that icon for the progression icon (game trivia icon)

[lyric mantle]

Yea thats what I meant but theres 13 levels but 6 material badges

[minor finch]

original designs by SPEAR

[polar flicker]

Wrong picture?

[dapper sapphire]

no

just inversed the color, cuz white on "white" isnt clearly visible

[polar flicker]

Oh, i see now. I was so confused because i thought you just randomly posted a picture of the information symbol you see at malls and stuff lol

[dapper sapphire]

oki

[heady marsh]

it would be hard to upload them to the wiki as embark does not use pre rendered badges anymore but instead a material mask that applies to icons on top of blank badges pngs as me and 1z1fr4g discovered

[lyric mantle]

Ah gotcha, maybe they'll put it in eventually though

[heady marsh]

@minor finch I tried to make it white, lmk if it seems right

[dusty quail]

these buttons could probably be more readable if the background was red

example

[heady marsh]

if you are making prototypes just make sure to use the finals color palette

[dusty quail]

I'm very familiar with it! #d21f3c for the backgrounds, I used differing colours because the WIKI has some extra colours they use for visibility

[heady marsh]

yes i got it, here is the image if you need it

[hoary dock]

I feel like the easter egg and game info icons w ould look better inverted? Would m atch the shirt and arena icons more I think

[errant ermine]

Does anybody know where the "Ospuze Opener" skin for the Sledgehammer came from? It's not listed in the Cosmetic Search.

[ionic heath]

it's a default skin available for everyone from the start (much like akm and m11 ospuze skins)
i think it was added around season 4

[ionic heath]

i would argue for black background instead 🤔

[dapper sapphire]

S4, ye

[polar flicker]

I had like 200 hours before i realised that sledge skin existed lol

[ionic heath]

oh

[dapper flower]

Anyone know how many World Tour Points you get for Point Break, Power Shift, etc for the win? For Cash Out and Ranked?

[ionic heath]

https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/World_Tour#Progression

[dapper sapphire]

wtf im the only one with the expired certificate error? (for tf wiki)

"Websites verify their identity with certificates that have a defined validity period. The certificate for thefinals.wiki expired on March 25, 2026."

[ionic heath]

who broke the wiki

[dapper sapphire]

idk

thats what im asking 💀 , 1h ago it was working

should i try to ping wiki admins/ a bureaucrat (cm)?

[ionic heath]

for me it doesn't say that tho
only just that the connections has timed out

[dapper sapphire]

oh

[ionic heath]

nvm it gives SEC_ERROR_EXPIRED_CERTIFICATE now

let me check something

yeah SSL certificate needs to be replaced
i changed my pc date to yesterday and i can get on the wiki

idk who was setting the wiki up and who we reach out to update it

[dapper sapphire]

💀, oh im sad i didnt thinked of that one :/

[polar flicker]

This is what i'm getting. (If you wish to shame me for using Opera i agree with you this browser is garbage)

[dapper sapphire]

idk im pinging @minor finch and if he cant do anything he will know who to reach out

[polar flicker]

🙏

[dapper sapphire]

what 💀

good talk discord

[polar flicker]

I've had that before lol

It usually happens at midnight for me though

[minor finch]

we're on it

[dapper sapphire]

ok, thx

so who should i ping when that happen
hopfully it will not happen but if that happens again, who?

[minor finch]

me or Luke

[polar flicker]

In Raid we trust

[ionic heath]

since when alfa acta has a twitter account?

[dapper sapphire]

7d, i think for the ee hunt [wpn x] (i think)

[ionic heath]

nah that was a website

[dapper sapphire]

ik, but alfa website and twitter opened with that

[ionic heath]

got it

(i can't open twitter to check what the post and when they started :P)

[minor finch]

https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/149.0/

[polar flicker]

I'd move there but i can't transfer my bookmarks

[ionic heath]

opera doesn't have exporting bookmarks?

[dapper sapphire]

idk just leave opera plz 🙏

💀

[polar flicker]

Someday i'll be slightly less lazy I'm sure

[dapper sapphire]

[polar flicker]

Apparently not. More proof that it's garbage. I'm Opera's No.1 hater and yet i still use it lmao

[ionic heath]

there's gotta be a way
bookmarks is just html file with links

[polar flicker]

I hope so. If there's a way to transfer everything i'm logged into too though I'm sold and moving to firefox now

[ionic heath]

there is bookmarks and passwords export
not the settings tho
https://forums.opera.com/topic/40531/exporting-bookmarks-and-settings-from-opera-to-other-browsers/2

[polar flicker]

Forgot i had that extension lol

It changes every mention of microsoft to microslop

[polar flicker]

Didn't work😭

[ionic heath]

i coulnd't find normal L to put in there

[polar flicker]

Am i blind?

[ionic heath]

[polar flicker]

Yes

[ionic heath]

i mean microslop and league of legends are not very far away in terms of the wibe

[polar flicker]

Well at least League of Legends had those funny ads from way back when. Not sure if they still do

[heavy gale]

wiki should be working again

[polar flicker]

Yippie! I can finally see my amazing Bible again ty

[polar flicker]

For some reason I just got the notification "your message got 25 reactions"

[grave lava]

how long does a WT round last?

10m right?

i couldn't find it on the wiki

[heady marsh]

Typically around 30 to 40m based on how the game playes out

[minor finch]

This channel has threads now for the Qualified role and above

[ionic heath]

we'll see more blood (red) now 🚗

[minor finch]

I'll poke some people to see if we could include rising star, or some active folks who aren't red yet!

[dapper sapphire]

yipeeeeeeeeeee

[lament grail]

I think he was talking about one cashout round

which is generally somewhere between 10 and 15 minutes

round timer starts at 9 minutes

[safe umbra]

if you are emerald 4 will you get some items or no?

[polar flicker]

Yes

[dapper sapphire]

Bro

EVEN IF YOU DONT KNOW THE 1ST LINE IS "DO NOT ADD DATAMINED/LEAKED INFO"
Why ppl are dumb :(

[dapper sapphire]

Btw i just saw that the new video on tf wiki channel are made for kids, why?

[polar flicker]

Bet they're one of the fuckknuckles that speedrun adding the weekly update stuff and get all of the details wrong or leave out half of the info

[dapper sapphire]

dont feels concerned at all (never did that on arc wiki)

[ionic heath]

omg
literally 10 minutes after i went to sleep

[ionic heath]

embark never elaborated but i think you get every emerald reward (bardge, border, etc.) but no emerald coins

similar how seasons before you wouldn't get skins for emerald 4

emerald 4 - 0 coins
emerald 3 - 1 coin
emerald 2 - 2 coins
emerald 1 - 3 coins

[polar flicker]

RIP

[dapper sapphire]

Starting to prepare things for s10

btw @ionic heath enjoy updating the wiki almost alone for s10 cuz i will not be available when s10 will be out
(I will be available ~6 after the season release sooo....., just let me do the soudtrack :EmotiAngel:)

And also ive took raid inspiration and started to re tweaks things for the main page (User:Captain77/Main_Page)

[ionic heath]

here we go

[polar flicker]

I don't actually care about the livestream though, i'd rather watch more DankPods

[ionic heath]

green ipad baby

DankPods x THE FINALS collab when

i want green ipad in the finals

[polar flicker]

I'm watching the $150 battle station video rn. Suck shit, ZTT this is the real budget baller PC

[ionic heath]

why do i keep getting trentila role

[polar flicker]

Are you complaining?

[ionic heath]

wth

[ionic heath]

yeah you lost sponsor showdown so i'm mad smh

[polar flicker]

We won the last though. Plus i'm friends with Ichikawa so it's like an 8th of a win for us

[ionic heath]

roadmap

[ionic heath]

blatant lies
(it's probably discord fault)

[ionic heath]

13 bundles to add omg

[dapper sapphire]

Remove your trentilla role

[ionic heath]

i did that one billion times already

[dapper sapphire]

Btw im sorry that i cant help

Click on trentilla 2 times in Chanel and role, and if not sey idk how to help

And again sry i cant help and editing on phone is hell

If you want the roadmap (Y3)

And tell me if you want Y2 roadmap

[undone cargo]

No new gear in S11 is crazy
Light gonna go until fall without gear

[safe umbra]

Ok

[undone cargo]

Just delete the class atp
Full year with no gear
Movement class that isn't even the best at movement anymore
Whole community hates them
We don't even really need 3 classes tbh

Just take them out of the game and bring them back for LTMs or something

[ionic heath]

i'll start dropping some images that we can use on the wiki in a little bit

[ionic heath]

they said it's unfinished and it's the stuff they can promise to deliver
new things can be added

[dapper sapphire]

hey, the quest is here now :)

[ionic heath]

already added
https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Cosmetic?C[ID]=17663&_run

[dapper sapphire]

oh 💀

[ionic heath]

i'm fast :3

[ionic heath]

10.0.0 store items are DONE

[polar flicker]

Wait... this roadmap is useless lmao it just tells us that there's 4 new things coming and that's it. Why even call it a roadmap atp

[polar flicker]

I feel like there's an imposter here...

[frigid stone]

all do involve Trentila

even if one may be Holtow

[polar flicker]

Still hate to see Quemby's name on my wonderful Bible

[heady marsh]

Mrs. Ana You should call MultiCo and tell them to get you some funds to create other fruits mutations

[polar flicker]

I just want funds for some new Trentila cosmetics right about now

[heady marsh]

Start a gofound me, top 10 tippers get a free pack of Tiger fruits

[polar flicker]

That's a good idea

wtf, i accidentally activated the impared vision voice??

[heady marsh]

Tf?

[polar flicker]

I think he's gone

[heady marsh]

You activated the blind people mode tts?

[polar flicker]

yeah

[dapper sapphire]

no wae new warn

[heady marsh]

all lvl 14 skins uploaded

[ionic heath]

did anyone get the newsletter code thingy and am i missing it 2nd season in a row or it never got sent?

[polar flicker]

Only my alt account gets those Emails now. Support can just give you a new code though

[heavy gale]

It takes a while sometimes. Make sure you are subscribed to newsletters in embark id portal else just contact support and they'll sort you out.

[polar flicker]

In my expririence you either get it or you don't

[heavy gale]

depensd on what email provider you are I guess, different spam protection and all.

I usually get one on outlook but that's after I had to safelist it. Gmail is usually more reliable but

[polar flicker]

Very weird. I'm glad support just gives you a code if you ask for it and explain that you've completed all of the troubleshooting steps though

i was very surprised at how easy it was

[grizzled parcel]

usually if i dont get it it just takes a couple days

but i also wasnt paying attention and dont really feel like checking my email rn

[heady marsh]

if you didn't get it just send an email to them saying that you didn't recieve the code

[polar flicker]

I usually use this lil guy to contact them

[heady marsh]

yeah i meant that

[polar flicker]

Ah

[elder cape]

Wait a week till 2nd april, if you don't get email by then contact support
Contacting them before might just get you "emails are being sent, wait a week" response

[frigid stone]

I put together Season 10 versions of the wiki banner and season banner for the homepage with the limited assets we have currently (which sadly doesn't include a really high res "fantasy league").

Wiki Banner: https://ibb.co/DHZG2hjL
Season 10 Banner: https://ibb.co/przrHCBq

(the wiki one is intentionally faded so the text is readable)

[heady marsh]

i can't find the high res fantasy league text in the game files neither

[dapper sapphire]

me too

anyways we can upload that one for now then after re-uploading the wiki banner when we have the hq

spear alr did that in the past

[heady marsh]

S4 seems yesterday gees

[dapper sapphire]

yep

btw im the only one who wants to move the File:THE-FINALS Wiki-Banner S7.png to File:THE-FINALS Wiki-Banner_3.png
cuz
File:THE-FINALS_Wiki-Banner.png is for Beta-S5, so its the 1st, so File:THE-FINALS_Wiki-Banner.png
File:THE-FINALS_Wiki-Banner.pngis for S6, 2nd so I would move it in File:THE-FINALS_Wiki-Banner_2.png
File:THE-FINALS_Wiki-Banner_S7.png is for S7 to S9 (and prob s10), is the 3rd so I would move it in File:THE-FINALS_Wiki-Banner_3.png
mention to File:THE-FINALS_Wiki-Banner_Alternate.png, witch is the banner but Iseul-t ed.

i may also be a weirdo to know all of that

[heady marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-versus-vs-alien-strange-mob-gif-12413747667150461911

[heady marsh]

i don't get it

[dapper sapphire]

what

what you dont get it

[heady marsh]

are you saying that there are different wiki banners and you only want to use one everytime?

[dapper sapphire]

no just the name is wrong

[polar flicker]

I don't think it matters that much. It's more of an inconvenience to change it than it is later down the road if it's kept

[silent condor]

I believe the fire rate of the CL-40 was changed this season. It's now around 70 (51/60ths of a second between shots). Also, KS-23 has the wrong fire rate value? From my testing the fire rate is closer to 79 RPM (45/60 - 46/60) instead of 73.

[violet lance]

can someone pls add the info to the Fangwai City page that it's set in 2030

[dapper sapphire]

idk how to add it properly to the database tho

[ionic heath]

there's a guided mode when you're adding cosmetics
there should be one for Merch Gift

https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Special:FormEdit/Cosmetic?Cosmetic[FormFlow]=Guided&Cosmetic[CosmeticCategory]=Merch+Gift

[waxen sinew]

that has to be an unmentioned change then. nothing was written about it.

[dapper sapphire]

Ok thx, but i do not own that cosmetic (yet)

[distant glacier]

how many hours to get emerald 1?

[dapper sapphire]

It depends

[ionic heath]

this t-shirt?
https://shop.embark-studios.com/products/cns-t-shirt-1

[dapper sapphire]

Yh

[ionic heath]

added
https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Cosmetic?C[ID]=19681&_run

[dapper sapphire]

[ionic heath]

5669 out of ~9500
getting closer and closer
From 4000 that are left

• 1027 mastery skins (should be less than that tho)
• About 2500 should be store items
• Rest is merch/giveaway/creator stuff

problems will start when we reach unavailable things like embark developer bundle
but that's future problems to solve

[heady marsh]

I think that adding dev bundles with appropriate description and maybe a new plaque would be enough, or it still counts as content that we can't add to the wiki?

[dapper sapphire]

Do we have the Embark partner bundle ?

[polar flicker]

I just want a sponsor bundle for all of the CEOs so we can play as them

[polar flicker]

@minor finch @ionic heath You'll be very pleased to know that i just moved the fuck away from Opera to Firefox! I can already feel my brain cells restoring

[heady marsh]

It's found in THE FILES

But I don't think that we have it in the wiki

[heady marsh]

Time to Rebrand firefox to FireFruit Trentila collab

[polar flicker]

And then Holtow can have Opera browser history insurance

[cinder island]

but what about brave

[cinder island]

u could ask thiixy about the dev bundles cus ik he has them and way easier to get a hold of than embarkers

[polar flicker]

Iseul-t can sponsor them

[polar flicker]

Isn't he the guy who pussed out on doing a maid outfit stream after he got too many dupes on a valentines wheel challenge

[cinder island]

huh idk but ik he did a maid stream

[polar flicker]

Must've deleted the VOD then lmao

[cinder island]

well vods delete after 6 months and he dont save em iirc

[polar flicker]

Oh didn't he also do this

https://tenor.com/view/the-finals-ospuze-im-ospuzing-it-oscar-gif-8393404729005143544

[cinder island]

its peak XD

also the taco clip https://www.twitch.tv/thiixy/clip/TangibleShyNikudonPoooound-DqznirHMKveRdOBW

[polar flicker]

She was so confused lmao. Bro's yapping so hard he didn't realise it was raining tacos

[dapper sapphire]

we gonna have esport news next update, be ready to update the wiki!
(when the com steam will start)

[ionic heath]

I'm out of order for next two weeks my beloved wiki gang, so i wish you luck

[dapper sapphire]

Noooooooooooooooooo

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1208094988219457626.webp?size=48&animated=true&name=pain~1&lossless=true

One day i will unlock the embled

[heady marsh]

I will try to be the one to add the weekly items when they drop

[feral crag]

yo

dm me what level you can stream on in the voice channels, plz.

[sullen ether]

Live in this server and u might, MIGHT be able to stream in vc (its like 3-4k messages)

[silent night]

-levels

[bold talon]

Our leveling system

"Why can't I do some things in the server?"

• You may need to level up first!

How to level up? Just look around and join conversations. Lots to talk about!

Lvl 0: Newbie 0xp
• join and create VC • make bug reports • chat in most channels
Lvl 1: <@&1011197091470647317> 35xp
• reactions • external emoji • images in drip check, pet channel
Lvl 3: <@&1011197119199191071> 115xp
• images in most channels • embeds in main chat
Lvl 8: <@&1133322765194235904> 1015xp
• embeds and images everywhere
Lvl 15: <@&1012661788401217579> 3955xp
• external stickers • VC streaming • bragging rights!

Role descriptions: #👋┇welcome
Check your rank: #🏆┇rank-check

[near swallow]

-levels

[bold talon]

Our leveling system

"Why can't I do some things in the server?"

• You may need to level up first!

How to level up? Just look around and join conversations. Lots to talk about!

Lvl 0: Newbie 0xp
• join and create VC • make bug reports • chat in most channels
Lvl 1: <@&1011197091470647317> 35xp
• reactions • external emoji • images in drip check, pet channel
Lvl 3: <@&1011197119199191071> 115xp
• images in most channels • embeds in main chat
Lvl 8: <@&1133322765194235904> 1015xp
• embeds and images everywhere
Lvl 15: <@&1012661788401217579> 3955xp
• external stickers • VC streaming • bragging rights!

Role descriptions: #👋┇welcome
Check your rank: #🏆┇rank-check

[dapper sapphire]

@ionic heath are u doing the tgm26 info, or can i do it?

[ionic heath]

my internet is very slow rn so don't count on me
i barely loaded today's pathnotes xD

[dapper sapphire]

Oh

So I can do it :)
Or does it annoy you ik its on your to do list

[ionic heath]

do it if you want
i won't be able to do much till monday anyway
if anything i'll make a second pass on your edits after i'm back and we'll call it teamwork

[dapper sapphire]

ik, lke alw...

[dapper sapphire]

MY FKING POWER WENT OUT
yes... i lost everything 🥲

[dire swan]

Do we know what these points are based off of? Like how is it calculated?

[polar flicker]

They're based off of aura. But fr though If I had to guess id say it's simply objective related stuff

[lament grail]

it's the same way world tour points are determined. you gain a certain amount when you win, and a certain amount when you lose. I believe point break, tdm, and powershift are 4 for a win and 1 for a loss

quick cash is 2 for third, 4 for second, and 6 for first

and cashout is 2 for getting knocked from first round, 6 for getting knocked from second round, then 14 for losing final round and 25 for winning final round

you also get the same wt points in ranked as in cashout, but you gain or lose ranked points on top of that

I imagine all of the wt points you get from ranked show up on the cashout leaderboard, since they definitely don't show on the ranked leaderboard

[gaunt stone]

Add a wiki entry for bringing back Head 2 Head

[polar flicker]

Only if you update the Trentila wiki

[rare kindle]

Does anyone have a duration anywhere?

How long a complete Cashout Round is, and how long a Final Round is?

[polar flicker]

Final round is half an hour last time i checked

[rare kindle]

30 minutes for Final round? That doesn't feel right

I was under the impression it was 15 and 15

I am about to head hunt some TGM25 VOD or something to find it

Final Round is 20 Minutes Long at Max and Cashout is 9 minutes

[polar flicker]

Might've changed since then but i am fairly sure it's half an hour

[polar flicker]

Oops didn't read this before my last message, ig it has changed since then

[rare kindle]

I may just have to go in and check, we are trying to validate a tournament format for Crest League as a B-Tier event coming in June and want to make sure the timings work out

[obsidian night]

What are the graphics settings locked to on Xbox Series X? I want to match the graphics of that (bc it looks great) on my pc which would get higher fps

[lament grail]

I don't think graphics on console can really be compared 1:1 to settings on pc. there's a lot of very specific fine tuning and optimization that goes into a build of the game that will always be played on the exact same hardware configuration versus the range of player accessible settings available for a build of the game that will be played over many different hardware configs.

the closest settings you can get to may also perform worse than you may expect on pc, as the predictability of a console environment gives developers leeway to do tricks that squeeze the absolute highest performance for the best visuals they can from one specific machine, but could break things if introduced to a more diverse hardware environment

ultimately I wouldn't worry about trying to match your experience on console and rather just play around with your settings until you get a performance to visuals ratio you're satisfied with. depending on your rig, you may be able to make the game look far better than it did on console without your fps suffering

[small marlin]

CAN ANYONE HELP ME WITH THIS ISSUE

[wooden herald]

Hi, how do I reset my password on this wiki?

I've been seeking to make a few edits to the Chimera-XB page based on personal testing (with reference footage and frame data), but I forgot my password, and I don't see an option to reset it.

My username does exist, though. Registered a long time ago. https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/User:Zafferman

I hope I don't have to create a new account 😅

[heady marsh]

Try so see if you have any other "the finals" processes opened in the background explaining the error

[small marlin]

I have check that. It is not

[ionic heath]

@minor finch help this legend 🥺

[ancient cove]

btw 93R burst delay determined by zafferman is 0,284s; not 0,275s as stated in the wiki page
im pretty sure it was 0,275s until they made the change from 220 RPM to 210 RPM, i think the "RPM" changes embark makes is burst delay, not actual cycle rate

[heavy gale]

check your DMs

[wooden herald]

ty login's working now 😌

[wooden herald]

this is a more recent update, yeah.

[wooden herald]

and it can be either fire rate or burst delay

[void cobalt]

Um what. Is it the formatting

[polar flicker]

Must've been the link?

Very strange

[void cobalt]

It's a direct link to the p90's default skin image on the wiki 😭
I guess that's what it was though?

[polar flicker]

I once got handed a warning by the auto mod for calling Sal a glorified rumba which is so funny

[ionic heath]

you can't format links on the server

I'll fix the image when i get home

[void cobalt]

I see 😔
Thank you

[brittle warren]

It's that, yeah.

[sand isle]

Roomba

Weird Roomba ain't a banned word

[heady marsh]

hyper links or links that don't show the website directly are not allowed as i know

[hard urchin]

reallyu

[heady marsh]

?

[covert nymph]

incorrect

[heady marsh]

fixed it

[covert nymph]

im not sure if its everything at that level, as my turret had 200k/360k xp last season then this season it just got maxed

Like it just unlocked this season

[heady marsh]

embark likes to change values of xp, that's why some people have mastery skins that are not unlocked yet

[void cobalt]

Oh? I was making a spreadsheet to track my mastery progress. I mean if things change it's not a big deal but now I'm thinking that half my numbers are wrong cause I thought everything takes 1,910,000 xp from 0 to current max.

[heady marsh]

if we trust the old system your numbers are correct, but can't say that anymore

[void cobalt]

Well most of my stuff is below level 5-6 so I guess I can update on the go if it's different now, it's kinda unintuitive that we can't see required xp after finishing a level, or before unlocking them.

[heady marsh]

exactly, it's semi usless to not have the required xp visible

[hard urchin]

Dope

[covert nymph]

I have a spreadsheet like this

[cinder island]

would it be possible to get to use that spreadsheet (also does it exist for other classes?)

[covert nymph]

I can probably work on a template people can use

Ill make one later *it calculates values for you, its just the xp values you gotta put in yourself

[cinder island]

that would be awesome

[covert nymph]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bxL9xGX9UPNMahC0MuZZpb6wFqBfJhrdf3Qry6983UU/edit?usp=sharing

Here you go friend! I made a help tab if you get a bit confused

Just enter your xp values, and the rest of the sheet updates itself :P

112m xp to max every finals weapon/gadget tho....

[cinder island]

Thanks m8

oooo i got a cookie

[vagrant glade]

Can the anti gravity cube be glitched via barrel and nade? Also does it reactivate once the glitch wears off?

[dapper sapphire]

Idk witch one of have access to the channel but thx ❤️
https://youtu.be/50kCY-6uL6c

[brittle warren]

I wonder who's running that

[ionic heath]

me

i was planning to upload other event soundtracks but i got distracted playing new game mode

[dapper sapphire]

It doesn't even shock me cuz

Imo we are missing the Dragonbanner_GameModeMessages files :kappa:

[dapper sapphire]

And also btw so how does it work

[wooden herald]

At some point, I will be retesting all of the guns, and revamping my weapon spreadsheet to be a single source of truth for the existing TTK values, reload times, etc. per weapon (except for melee weapons). Can include links to their frame data and reference footage as well.

In fact, I'm seeking to have its data hosted entirely on its own wiki page, to be referenced by all weapon articles, if anyone feels that it's appropriate (including the method by which all values are derived, for standardization purposes).

Like a sort of "Community Weapon Testing" page.

[ionic heath]

probably would be convenient to do it as a cargo table, with stats and values of weapons/gadgets/specs
we already have a similar thing with cosmetic items

[dapper sapphire]

https://embarkstudios.bandcamp.com/track/dragons-claim-from-the-finals
I add it in additional ost, right?

[heady marsh]

yes, those single ones go in others

[tardy bluff]

does anyone know the best/most consistent way to test explosive dmg xp values?

trying to figure out the xp values of breach charge

[ionic heath]

theoretical, since i've never done it:

1. have a contract for dealing arena damage
2. explode breach charge at some wall in TDM or some other quick mode
3. see how much damage it dealt in the contract (i think you can check it in tab if you track it)
4. switch breach or don't use it till the end of the match
5. complete the match
6. see how much xp breach gained
7. calculate multiplier by finding X in XP Reward = X * Arena Damage
8. repeat a couple of times to pinpoint the exact multiplier value

maybe there's an easier method ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tardy bluff]

Yeah i tested by using 1 breach and knowing each wall section is 1000

But the results were inconsistent because obviously splash dmg but it seems like xp gained is 0.1x structure dmg

I have all my contracts done so i might have to wait for another day

[ionic heath]

C4 has 0.008 from someone's testing so i would imagine breach charge should not be very far in terms on numbers

[tardy bluff]

I mean my breach charge levels up hella fast

Lvl 12 breach lvl 11 c4 and way more time on c4

Making a video talking about how jank the xp values are

Like how healing emitter is 0.2x healing done, healing beam is 0.5x and infuser is 1x

Their values make no sense lol, even pyro is like 20x dmg dealt vs most other things being 1x

[ionic heath]

yeah c4 probably has smaller multiplier
i've been using it since S7 and i'm still on level 6
and don't get me started on data reshaper

[tardy bluff]

But c4 also tends to deal more dmg to players where iirc is a 1x, breach charge rarely ever gets dmg on players and is 2.5x

But you probably will see way more xp from c4 player dmg than breach, some values like this have logic

I think the c4 shoulda been 0.08 rather than 0.008 if those values are true

Or like vortex you straight up get the fastest xp by placing it and picking up then replacing it over and over again

[ionic heath]

they deffo need to revisit xp values because i genuinely don't think they have any guidelines for how they assign them
and whoever does just goes of the vibe

[tardy bluff]

100% agreed, thats why i wanted to make a video because i dont think people realize the jankiness here

[ionic heath]

C4,reshaper, and nullifier (before xp buff) are probably the worst examples

null used to give 50xp per hit

reshaper still gives 50xp per use

[tardy bluff]

I mean imo healing emitter, reshaper, hoverpad, all suck

Vortex too, anything that values deploying the gadget over effectively usong it

Will always be confusing to me, and isnt intuitive at all

[heady marsh]

we could have the exact values by datamining but they're encrypted, One time I tried to figure out some of them but it was a pain in the ass

I still don't know if pyro damage in wiki is correct

[tardy bluff]

i mean that thing levels up extremely fast

so its definitely juiced to some degree, but a lot of it obviously is speculation

[ionic heath]

i don't need to have exact values to know that pyro nade xp is probably overtuned
i used it for like half a season in point break and got more xp than i did with using c4 multiple seasons

[heady marsh]

yeah, pyro is the most xp rewarding item in the game atm, 20 x damage done is too much

[ionic heath]

it deffo devalues pyro mastery skins ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tardy bluff]

Imo pyro nade xp gain should be more standard the game released with lvl 6 as cap were at lvl 14 and the xp needed from 1 to 6 is like a 10th needed from 1 to 14

[ionic heath]

meanwhile in other cases doesn't reward enough people who are committed to some other gadgets

[heady marsh]

plus the fact that xp for some gadgets are different and not consistent (and embark secretly changing it as we saw with the level 10 or 11 motion sensor is not helping XD)

[ionic heath]

i don't think it was just motion sensor
i think it was every item
i can't check since i don't have anything lvl 10 rn

i'm close to hittin 10 with anti-grav and goo so i we'll know soon