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[heady marsh]

The problem is that the bar at the bottom is dependant on the image size, an image with a common dimension across all battle passes could use 12px and another one slightly more High or wide could use 10 or idk what other, if we could have a fixed one not dependant would be awesome

[crimson crag]

Quite sure i have had my rpg shot out of the air right in front of me at least 2x.

https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Breach_Drill

[heavy gale]

will have to test

[sour flare]

don't think it can do that automatically

maybe it can but i don't know how

[heady marsh]

yeah me too

[proven thicket]

I wish we could get this info in game, glad the wiki has it

[heavy gale]

technically you could make it so the block itself which contains the image and text and whatever else uses flex and then space-between so the level pill with text underneath is always aligned at the bottom, kinda like how this one works for the arc wiki.

without space-between it ends up like

would require changing quite a bit of the css though most likely

[lone monolith]

(For context we run both TF Wiki and ARC Wiki)

[steady nymph]

Hi @lone monolith, would it be possible if I could forward some suggestions on changes to the (WIP) ARC wiki?

[lone monolith]

Yeah, feel free.

[violet lance]

The SEO is pretty bad. Can't really find it via google

[steady nymph]

i) Banner change.
The main page banner on thefinals.wiki is a great example of showcasing design and character renders for the game, so I made a similar iteration for ARC Raiders Wiki, trying to be as accurate to the official ARC Raider media content.

ii) Favicon Change (3 ideas)
Using the same principles, I tried to make two versions which would be as close of a representation to the ARC Raider icon style.

The first example I think is the best, since it will be readable on the top left icon (which leads to the home page), and tried making it similar to the current one.

[heavy gale]

Nice banner though would be better to change wikipedia to wiki.

wikipedia is a wiki but a wiki isn't a wikipedia.

[steady nymph]

(3rd) There's also the option to opt for just the ARC lines, similar to how it's on the game UI.

[violet lance]

It's just an idea but I think something like the anatomy section in the helldivers wiki could be helpful
https://helldivers.wiki.gg/wiki/Hulk

[steady nymph]

Changed subtext
I actually opted for just wiki, but saw there was too much space so just edited it with wikipedia haha.

[heavy gale]

most things will be ironed out once the game actually comes out, for now it's just a test playground and getting things somewhat organised.

[olive jacinth]

Is it possible to add a whole page for esport informations ? Like upcoming event, past event, history, sponsors / teams and their players (what class they play, MnK or Controller), etc...
Something like Apex did with their ALGS : https://liquipedia.net/apexlegends/Main_Page

Hope it will be possible and awesome ! Thanks a lot

[sour flare]

the bar is now fixed

[willow ice]

here you go :)

[willow ice]

i can give y'all the high res icons if you want
from in-game

[sour flare]

i think he talk about the platinum one?

[willow ice]

i'l grab them for you after i finish my wt

[sour flare]

nah it's fine i forgot i have it

[hazy isle]

Hey guys, any idea which patch did Embark remove the Vaiilant E-3 head (or robot ball head) combo with masks?

[tulip burrow]

Was it the 7.3? They talk about the Campsite Creeper face ware not clipping with the Sal's Halo cosmetic item, but I remember it was toward the beginning of the season.

[hazy isle]

Yeah, it's probably that. I miss my cool robot skin 😭

Like, it was my least liked update ever.

[tulip burrow]

Yea I was pretty excited about the combos there were some really cool ones and cursed ones

[hazy isle]

I hope Embark can revert that, someday 😭

Well, I did manage to save one of my less good skins with mask clipping. Can still play with clipping, I just gotta avoid customizing it to not lose it.

Yeah, because it's technically still possible in the game.... Which makes me kinda more angry?

It's a constant reminder of what I've lost 💀

[tulip burrow]

I mean sucks that you can't edit it but at least you got to keep the outfit.

[heady marsh]

How do you datamine the game, I tried some tutorials a few weeks ago but I was stuck cause the files were with a aes or something "key" do you have it?

[sour flare]

is this the same thing?

if i deal 100 damage and 100 critical damage i will still get the same xp right?

[lone monolith]

Yeah, but you'd have fired less hots for the 100 critical damage at least.

[lofty skiff]

where can i find those badges in such quality?

[weary zephyr]

I noticed that the "Furry Frequencies" headwear also has the unnamed brand logo present on those green skull drinks (on the right headphone)

[sour flare]

nice catch!

[sour flare]

when i put 300px or thumb behind the gif, it doesn't automatically play. what should i do? arn-200 page is work perfectly fine
https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/ARN-220

nvm the file is too big

[heady marsh]

is it just me or the gif system of the weapon infobox is broken everywhere exept in it's template page?

[sour flare]

it shoudnt be a problem because i already revert it

[sour flare]

oh forgot to revert that one heha

[wheat dagger]

Wiki folks, would it be possible to make interactive maps on the wiki?

[clear moat]

Hi -- I got Diamond 💠 in Ranked, but now im Plat again. Will I still receive Diamond reward? 🙂

[timid night]

yes

[heady marsh]

this is the wiki channel, don't ask here. To respond idk

[rotund pine]

is using the wooting gamepad mapping allowed (for instance to slow walk like you can on controller)? I noticed that when i enable it i also recieve controller aim assist which i doubt would be allowed, but when looking it up on internet/asking chatgpt whether its allowed it says it isnt said anywhere that its NOT allowed.

[heady marsh]

btw guys I was think about creating a template used in the "Item Mastery" section of all weapon pages (not the actual levels with pngs but the description and damage values for xp), wich instead of writing all manually every time we could just have a template that for example sets weapon name, damage values for kills, shot, crit ecc, I have a template ready to be tested if do you want to push this

[heavy gale]

You mean this bit, right?

Does the XP value ever change between weapons ?

[heady marsh]

yep and the text above

i made a template to be all modular, only for weapon though

[heady marsh]

i don't know if it changes or not I never did testing on these topics

[heavy gale]

Usually any third party tool that gives unfair advantages is not allowed. You could always ask player support for clarification.

Also, this is a wiki channel, not a support channel

[heavy gale]

If all XP value calculations are the same between weapons then I don't see why not, though it isn't too bad to just copy and paste the table between pages.

We'll see what others think.

[heady marsh]

yeah of course, the main reason why I suggested it was because if someday we need to change the description of that we would need to update all pages, instead with this would be more clean, just a QOL thing

[heavy gale]

good point

[lament grail]

Yeah, that's called ximming, which is absolutely a form of cheating, however this would be Embark's fault for allowing this with a normal configuration, when other games require elaborate setups to deliberately force aim assist with MnK. You should probably figure out a way to turn it off though, just to be safe.

[rotund pine]

i will just not use it if it is considered cheating. The analog movement isnt worth the trouble. thanks a lot for the info!

[lament grail]

Go ahead and open up a ticket on Embark's site to report the oversight so they have it on their radar

[red wraith]

Its also on by default if you use a mnk on the steam deck. Although idk how prevelant that is.

[charred cloud]

https://www.reachthefinals.com/patchnotes/790

do these things make it into the wiki?
Sword has it

[sour flare]

no i don't think so

update history is only balance patch

[heady marsh]

could these be usefull in the wiki?

[pulsar geyser]

Subtext:
In-game infographic explaining the Cash Out gamemode.

[heady marsh]

here?

or else, where should it fit better?

[pulsar geyser]

I think that would make sense, although don't remove the existing gamemode boxes

[heady marsh]

yeah obv I will see

I did it like this, is it good?

done, also made some links and phrases adjustments

[lone monolith]

if i was a developer and was in charge for the upcoming halloween limited game mode, id make a 5 or 3 player zombie defense gamemode where theres an unlimited amount of rounds of zombies and there’s a worldwide leaderboard and if you’re top 10 for the most rounds finished, you’ll get a rare charm and cosmetic

[lament grail]

#1, this is the wiki channel
#2, cod zombies already exists

[heady marsh]

Hi guys, I took some time to make a spreadsheet listing what weapon level skins are missing from each weapon page, here is the file

sry for the randomized name, discord plugin (;

[steel flare]

why does the wiki says that pyro mines deal 79 + 25/s even tho pyro nades deal 20/s

[sour flare]

because it's a completely different gadgets

[steel flare]

yeah, but shouldnt fire dmg always be the same?

[sour flare]

idk man it was updated 2 years ago

how about you testing it and post it here so i can update it

[steel flare]

also fire dmg is diffrent in the main fire page

it says 3m-16,67s | 0m-37,5s

[sour flare]

huh whats that

[steel flare]

Fire - THE FINALS Wiki https://share.google/Wqkf4Kg8JdNyu7WbB

[sour flare]

what is the correct values? did you test it? cuz all of these is community tested

[steel flare]

how the fuck should I know

I didn't

may do it later

same for gas btw. deployables says it deals 22/s

[sour flare]

almost every values that you see is community tested

[steel flare]

while gas main page says that is scales from 20 to 60 over 2 s

[sour flare]

except they state it in patchnotes

it could be wrong

[steel flare]

so which gas dmg value is right?

[steel flare]

fair enough

[sour flare]

sorry lol

[steel flare]

whats that green symbol near my name?

[sour flare]

it mean you just joined this server

[steel flare]

ok 👍🏻

[dire swan]

bro just joined and has already yellow status? 🫨

[steel flare]

im a rising star after all

[dire swan]

Oh but I'm not denying it! Am just surprised
You might be HIM after all 😮

[steel flare]

I just really talk a lot before sleeping

like i go to sleep at 00.00 and I talk till like 02.00

[dapper sapphire]

:/

[minor finch]

Please use direct URLs for links on the wiki, not URL shorteners

[steel flare]

@sour flare the gas main page and the fire main page are right

[zinc snow]

Does anybody have the new numbers for badges?

[vocal perch]

500?!

[rustic grotto]

why can we not place shields agains the walls anymore

[steel flare]

they added new sights

[sleek solstice]

Where did we get the high quality pictures of the CEOs? Twitter?

Looking to update Trentila's page

[heavy gale]

I think they came from previous Embark blog posts.

[heady marsh]

I don't think there's the need to upload all 500 ranks, and even if so, they removed the thing that make you view the ranks

[sleek solstice]

I see, hoping they release them soon then

[heady marsh]

we could have a lq placeholder for now if you find it

[sleek solstice]

We could use the picture from the sponsor signup or a screenshot from monaco cleaned up

not sure if either would be good

[heady marsh]

I can try, I also need to upload ranked, wt, P90 and New revolver images

[sleek solstice]

I'll probably start updating the Trentila page with the new cosmetics tabber and new cosmetics soon

Also get a CEO page ready

[heady marsh]

yes, now that is more easy to keep track of the cosmetics, (for the new sponsor ones pls use the ones from sponsoship please)

[sleek solstice]

I'll be adding it all

I forgot to take pictures of the Trentila sponsor track though apparently :D

I'll need some help getting the images and descriptions

[sleek solstice]

https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Ana_Del_Mar

created the character page, doing rest of the stuff now on my own page before I paste it over

[sleek solstice]

tabber is fully updated on my page now, just have some placeholders until we get the new item icons in and all the names/descriptions

dont know what other categories there are but can add as we go along

All available here: https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/User:Animatic

probably want to add the 'real fruit anywhere' advert on the page too

I think its good to go live for now though despite it missing the new cosmetics, most important bits and upgrades are there

[sleek solstice]

Page updated
https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Trentila

Upset we still dont know what Mackenzie Lapis looks like :(

[sour flare]

boy genius from alien:earth

[sleek solstice]

actually come to think of it is Mackenzie a man?

Always assumed female for some reason

[vocal perch]

I mean everyone assumed Sal Scoria (or whatever VAIIYA ceo is called) was a female, so it could be a similar situation

[heady marsh]

You Did a great work with the nested tabber, it's well categorized, I will upload all new leagues wt and P90 and Heavy revolver (I don't remember) ranks when I get home

Also we should make a template for the nested tabber to put in the sponsor pages, so it will be more modular

[heady marsh]

I imagine him as a bald guy😭

[ivory crescent]

Anyone else getting big freezes? Its literally the second time that happened since yesterday and now i got a penalty + my last rank in game just got busted bc of that...what can i do, is there anything i can do? I nearly lost over 15k ranked points bc those bugs just f up my ranked games

[somber hamlet]

Is Ana del Mar Mexican? After all, the Trentila skins are Lucha libre and Aztecas

[heady marsh]

I suppose so

[sharp quarry]

im not too convinced based off the bonus page sets alone, ivada did a aztec helmet and i doubt theyre from south or central america

[sleek solstice]

There an assumption but nothing confirmed

[sleek solstice]

Thanks, much appreciated, the tabber can just be copied over from the OSPUZE page and used as a template from there

[heady marsh]

yes, what do you think about making it into a proper template?

[sour flare]

a template for table?

[heady marsh]

a template for the nested tabber of cosmetics, like the one on trentila made by animatic

[sour flare]

don't think it's gonna work, look at the code, but you can try

[heady marsh]

yeah that's what i thought, I can try to come up with something when I have time

[sour flare]

nest tabber is very confusing to edit

[sleek solstice]

I can't say I made the tabber, I'm just filling it out

[heady marsh]

yeah but I mean, it's a tideous work to work with them, at least for me (;

[tulip burrow]

Sorry a bit late but Maybe every 50? I know you get the gold at 100. I haven't looked to see if the career tab shows the level progression like it used to

[sleek solstice]

It doesnt

[distant wyvern]

dunno if this was a messup. On the page for the ks-23, it says it has a rpm of 75. however, on update 6.0.0, its fire rate was changed to 85 rpm. and there hasnt been any other update to change its rpm. just wondering if the 75 rpm stat is false

[sour flare]

it could be the player who tested it, thinks it's false in the patchnotes, so they change it

It happens a lot in weapons pages, i don't know why

[frigid stone]

just finished adding HOLTOW's Loyalty Tier 2 rewards

[still crypt]

Guys what do you think about adding the "V accept the challenge" message to CNS page Gallery?

I was looking for that specific image and while CNS page has a nice collection of pictures/references, this one was missing, found it on Vaiiya's page eventually

[lament grail]

I wasn't the one who changed it, but I tested it out of curiosity and the firerate is definitely not 85 rpm. it's very close to, if not the same as the BFR which is also 75

considering the change that was supposed to increase the firerate was made on the season 6 update, it's possible that the change didn't actually apply and was overlooked due to how much other stuff was in the update, and because there aren't very many KS users, it just went under the radar

in fact, we can see that the stat was updated to fit the patch notes on march 20th, but was revised to fit the ingame testing on march 25th

it could be either that the change didn't apply, or it did a lot less than expected, since the rpm before was 73 (though 73 and 75 are so similar that I would faster believe the former possibility)

[rustic cypress]

hey when did the easy money sound come out? like how do you get it? i didnt see anything about sounds on the wiki

[frigid stone]

You can search for pieces of text on the wiki. However, it's from Season 1's Battle Pass: https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Season_1#tabber-PAGE_6

[heavy gale]

I guess it's more of a question of do we want player tested values when Embark gives values or do we want to just stick to what Embark says certain stats are?

Mainly because we have 75 RPM from player testing but Zaffermans spreadsheet says 78 and Embark says 85.

[minor finch]

We should really have the season cover art in the infobox instead of the trailer, partly so that embeds don't turn out like this

also @heavy gale can we get the red embed accent back please

I tried myself at some point but couldn't find what to change

[heady marsh]

@sleek solstice I expanded the tabber for all cosmetics used in sponsor page, you can look at it here: https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/User:Klirins

[granite steppe]

On the Healing Beam page:

Stats > Effects section is not up to date for season 8.
Still says 40 health per second instead of the new 46 (correct in other sections). Total healing is listed as 220, I think it should be 253 but I'm not sure

It also is missing the recharge timer, I have no idea what that is. I only found the above errors because I was trying to find the overheat and regular recharge timers

[heavy gale]

ah looks like the effects section was missed out when the infobox got updated. I've updated it now.

In terms of recharge time, I'll see if I can get a stat for it.

[granite steppe]

Also: Does it drain (or recharge) if you're "healing" someone who is full HP?

Healing someone at full HP pauses battery recharge, but does not drain it further

[sleek solstice]

It stays at the same level and does not cool down

[granite steppe]

I did some frame counting

overheat seems to be around 7.5 seconds (I got 7 seconds 33 frames in my 60fps recording, twice)

Full recharge without overheat seems to be around 6.5 seconds (3 attempts, getting as close to full usage as I can, got 6 seconds and 31, 35, and 34 frames)

Someone smarter than me should get a more precise answer though

[latent anchor]

46 heal per second up to 253 till overheat

Wtv that math is

That’s 5.5 sec according to that math

[heavy gale]

that is correct

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1oBLWvBquqBdEwiQVQTi2WhLU0_B3lp_2

[granite steppe]

Does healing happen on a per tick system or something? Like if it's 60 ticks per second, does it heal every tick?

[heavy gale]

It is likely to be tick based but no one knows what the tickrate of the server actually is.

[tardy girder]

why it ddoesnt mention you need to wait for that BP to unlock and also included UBP skins

[heady marsh]

I don't know if legacy bps include ultimate rewards? if yes i'm gonna change it

[tardy girder]

it should. no?

[sour flare]

it's not even reaching season 7 yet how do you know it's gonna be including in the legacy

[heady marsh]

we don't know, legacy S7 pass is as of now locked with no mention that the ultimate rewards present or even buyable as the standard 20€ one

[heady marsh]

oh yeah that makes sense now, thanks

give me 5m

[heady marsh]

@tardy girder tell me if it fits your changes

[tardy girder]

it does. ty

[heady marsh]

you're welcome

[still crypt]

just a note - the Seasons table doesn't show TDM introduced in Season 6, you have to click into the Season 6 to see that TDM was in fact introduced as a gamemode?

[sour flare]

prob forgot to type it

[sharp violet]

Is there something on the wiki that breaks down the scoreboard stuff? (Like support score and combat score.)

[sour flare]

no

[vocal perch]

Do PS exclusives get put on the wiki? If so these skins aren’t on here, I know because I saw someone using one and spent a long time trying to find them

[heady marsh]

no, never saw them on the wiki, I don't have them therefore can't upload them

[vocal perch]

I’m pretty sure they said Ultimate rewards would not come back in legacy bp

[heady marsh]

not come back, but if you previously bought a ultimate pass like S7 or 8 and didn't complete it when you re unlock it you will be able to get the rewards

https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Battle_Pass

[untold pendant]

in saw over youtube that there were more pages on s5 bp, with green superhero body suit

i dont want that, BUT; I started playing on s6 and on s6 there were some fine rewards in the final pages, like the repeater ospuze skin or the arn alfa acta skin; will these appear when s9 ccomes?

[heady marsh]

bonus pages and multibucks are not available if you decide to purchase that pass later

[vocal perch]

The last 2 pages are always bonus pages, they’re basically just reskins and don’t come back

[untold pendant]

thats very sad, i thought the mbs were the only thing we lose 🙁

anyways, thanks for the response folks

[vocal perch]

Also the only reason s1 legacy has a bonus page is because there wasn’t one in season 1

[heady marsh]

what is the bonus page of S1?

[vocal perch]

The last page outfit in red I believe

[heady marsh]

They added one for the new legacy pass?

[vocal perch]

It’s also been the only time I’ve gotten to use show tokens, wish they had a different use

[vocal perch]

Hm?

Bit confused what this means

[heady marsh]

I mean this s1 bonus page you are talking about, did they add it in recently for new players that want to buy S1 battle pass? cause is not present in the wiki

[vocal perch]

Again, it was added to season 1 legacy because there wasn’t a bonus page back in season 1 battlepass, it was added when legacy battlepasses were added

[heavy gale]

Now that some weapons and gadgets are unlocked through playstyles rather than VR, should we change 'Price' to 'Unlock' in the infobox and then for gadgets and weapons unlocked via playstyles, should we display the playstyle name under Unlock?

Or should we just use playstyle-icon 1 and leave the name as Price?

[heady marsh]

for me that's ok, can you make a sample and upload it here?

[heavy gale]

it'll either be like either of these, depends what people think is better.

[heady marsh]

I would merge the icon to the "hacker playstyle text" so that new people coming to the wiki see that and don't know what that symbol is

[heavy gale]

We could always hyperlink the playstyle text to this page https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Playstyles so people understand what it means.

page still in progress

[heady marsh]

also yes good idea

btw, shoud we add this to the team deathmatch page like the cashout one?

[heavy gale]

sure though if you can remove the background around the boxes, even better

[heady marsh]

yeah ofc it was just for demostration

[heady marsh]

done, i also have these: could they be put in the page or not? (i will redo the screenshot cause of the selection)

[vocal perch]

Wait what is that icon under price?

Is that a “playstyle icon” or whatever you were saying? I’ve never seen it before and am very confused T-T

[heavy gale]

aye, it's the Playstyle Token which is used to unlock playstyles. Aptly named

[vocal perch]

I have literally everything unlocked already, second a new season comes out I get the new stuff with my built up VRs, its nice sometimes but it means I don’t get to use show tokens since I have all the bp already, and I had no idea playstyle tokens were even a thing T-T

[heady marsh]

they should put some type of XP reward after reaching 5k VRs, like something that you could claim every week if you have the VRs

[heavy gale]

I just found it funny how they named it Playstyle Token, was expecting a bit more of a different name for some reason. But yeah, they disappear from the UI once you have every playstyle unlocked as it usually lives on the top row. like

[heady marsh]

they probably did it for Clarity

[vocal perch]

yeah, and again, it would be nice to have another use for show tokens since I've only been able to use it on the s1 legacy bonus page, maybe being able to buy like one legendary outfit or bundle with 50 or something

[heady marsh]

that would collapse mb value, but they could do a small reward system of some sort

[vocal perch]

I forget how hard show tokens are to get so maybe legendary is a bit much, but you kinda get the point, just... something to spend them on

[heady marsh]

yeah yeah, I always thought it would be more dynamic and an option for players that still have to unlock final rewards in bp

[next fulcrum]

these don't get announced anywhere they sort of just happen. There is a new one up currently with a skin that's a deeper broadcast blaze purple color

https://store.playstation.com/en-us/product/UP6851-PPSA17310_00-0797675856282772
flamethrower, P90, Deagles, M26 and LH1

preview shows the full image instead of the store page's closeup

[vocal perch]

WHA-

I WANT THAT P90 SO BAD T-T

[next fulcrum]

yeah it's excellent for the new season

[vocal perch]

Might have to get my friend who owns a ps5 and have him sign in to my account

[sleek solstice]

and a repeater and charm

[lone monolith]

It depends on how many folks redeem it. I have a PS5 so I grab the bundles when they pop up but I don't think I've included them yet

[heady marsh]

did we need to add the new store update patchnotes in wiki or not?

[next fulcrum]

I almost forgot about the dog tag charm with our username on it, thanks

[next fulcrum]

That being said I'd love to add my PS+ skins to the wiki, I'd just like to know what dimensions works best to keep entries consistent

[sour flare]

almost half of the loadout is now free

which is great

[young matrix]

Truly peak rn.

[olive jacinth]

https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Sights

Possibility to update this page please ?

Thanks

[crude aurora]

How much health does the lockbolt have ?

[sour flare]

i think it's based on environmental damage of said weapons, because it has no health bar when you shoot it

like zipline or jumppad

why trentila color look like puke in sponsor page

[sleek solstice]

it does look a bit extra green doesn't it

Wait hold on who updated the CEO picture for Ana Del Mar? Did we get a full HD picture of her?

[sour flare]

i thought the green teal one was the right color

[sleek solstice]

I guess theyre both fine? ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sour flare]

idk it doesn't look right but ok

[sleek solstice]

It did catch me off guard, and it is a weird thing to just arbitrarily change but oh well

I'm more interested in the ceo headshot being updated, I didn't see an HD one being released on twitter

[frigid stone]

The new green is the green they've been using this season. I don't believe the green previously used was from any official source afaik

As for the CEO's picture, they're in the press google drive

[sour flare]

the color It's on the driver bundle and next to my name

[frigid stone]

the one next your name looks like it was taken from the wiki and the driver bundle's green definitely differs in saturation

[stiff pebble]

Someone add a template of how to opt out of nexons revised tos section X

[gritty rover]

Is Xbox able to turn the replay mode on?

[glad lantern]

Hi how can i buy tickets for the finals final

[vocal perch]

Don’t you get your account deleted for not accepting or something? (I’m not an expert with these things and I only briefly read it T-T)

[heavy gale]

just a regular dreamhack admission ticket will do

https://dreamhack.com/stockholm/tickets/

[glad lantern]

@heavy gale lots of lots of options

What do you recommend what is lan what is 20+ lan

[heavy gale]

I just got a normal 3 day ticket.

LAN means you can bring your own computer and setup in their hall, basically a massive LAN party.

[stark swift]

How to recruit a friend in that thingy for rewards? we are both in game he has less than 20 games

[olive sorrel]

Trentila so bad

They should’ve brought back Dissun

[heady marsh]

yeah but it's still somewhat good

[lone monolith]

still chose it cause I have no holtow loyalty tiers, at least when they come back I wont be behind

[sleek glacier]

I have this issue too -- no option to recover. name was phentos

[lone monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/ping-gif-15323150284858550332

Yeah I'll reset it in a bit

[velvet rover]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-kitten-waking-up-meme-gif-3489390413285490662

[icy pebble]

Guys, how do I select the Bank-it (Deposit) gamemode?

[unkempt obsidian]

I swear to god, I don't know what happened to my wiki account but I legit cannot sign in. I NEVER changed my password yet i cannot sign in with the password I have saved. Am I doomed? 😭

[heady marsh]

did you check if your email correct?

[heady marsh]

they removed it from the game as of now );

[unkempt obsidian]

how could i check if i cannot even sign in in the first place 😭

[heady marsh]

you could check by verifying that the reset pass email was sent yo your wiki email account+

if there's even any recover pass email

[unkempt obsidian]

I would love to reset my password, believe me, but pressing "Help with signing in" just brings me to an FAQ article at MediaWiki

[heady marsh]

You don't have to give your email address if you don't want to. But if you choose to give an email address, you will be able to do the following:

reset your password if you forget it

(from the official mediawiki) did you have an email linked to your wiki account?

[unkempt obsidian]

I did set an email as I have a "verify your email" email in my email

[heady marsh]

you need to first verify your email when you create an account, idk why you didn't do that

[unkempt obsidian]

I did verify my email bro

[heady marsh]

oh my bad, I never had login problems but sorry, this is what i've found
From the offcial mediawiki
"Your username is case sensitive. If you enter an email address when signing up for the account, or in your Preferences, you can make a request on the login screen for a temporary password to be sent to that address, which will allow you to retrieve your account. If you did not enter an email address, or the address was out of date, you will have to create a new account under a different username. After doing this, if a user page and user talk page were created for the old account, it is advisable to make them redirect to the equivalent pages for the new account. (To carry the content and history of these pages over to the new location, you may be able to use the "move" function ─ contact an administrator if assistance is needed.) If your IP address is blocked from editing, you will not be allowed to request a password reset from that address. "

[unkempt obsidian]

oh so this is awesome

so i guess im cooked

[heady marsh]

oof

[unkempt obsidian]

im genuinely pointing towards someone actually hacking my wiki account because I DIDN'T CHANGE MY PASSWORD

BUT ITS INCORRECT 😭

[heady marsh]

but why would they hack in a f wiki account in first place

[unkempt obsidian]

no clue but i wouldn't rule it out

[heady marsh]

i suppose you made sure to try rewriting the password a bunch of times

I allway mistake 2 for Zs sometimes

[minor finch]

When did you create your account?

The wiki was migrated to a new host some time ago and any accounts that weren't migrated then were not kept active.

#📂┇the-finals-wiki message

[heady marsh]

ohh forgot to mention that );

[unkempt obsidian]

oh goddamn it 😭

yeah i kind of missed that, thanks for letting me know

Alright I made a new account and moved my user page, I'm fine now

[icy pebble]

I want it back

[heady marsh]

Don't ask me

[icy pebble]

Ye but do something man

[heady marsh]

I can do nothing, i'm not some embark dev or sum, even asking to bring it back wouldn't count for only one person, they stated that il will maybe return in some type of event but I can't do nothing

[icy pebble]

Thanks

[heady marsh]

it was fun for me too but the queue times were stupid long

[icy pebble]

Well they can put it back and just limit the number of rooms to the number of players

[heady marsh]

but the problem is that they removed it because it was crushed by head2head and a small percentage of people were playing on it

[icy pebble]

Let's hope they bring it back 🙏🏼

[heady marsh]

I hope in the upcoming event

[sour flare]

should "guide" and "properties" section be remove? they’re usually the last section to be updated, usually 1 months or some aren't even added after 3 seasons.

and nobody maintains them, some of the info is outdated.

bfr - no guide no properties
shak - no guide no properties
healing emitter - no guide
breach drill - no guide no properties
gravity vortex - no guide no properties
cerberus - no properties
p90 - no guide no properties

[minor finch]

The properties section is pretty important and follows a consistent format, I don't see any benefit of removing it. Guide is less organized but similarly has important info like recoil patterns.

Surely our approach should be to fix the pages with missing/outdated info, instead of removing stuff from everything else?

[sour flare]

[sharp quarry]

What are "guides"in the context of the wiki

[sleek solstice]

Gonna start adding trentila items to the wiki table
didnt realize the pineapple frag and coconut dome shield had their logo

[sleek solstice]

Can anyone signed to Trentila take a picture of the final sponsorship page?

[sleek solstice]

thank you :)

I'm just filling out the meta data so that I can fill in the pics/descriptions later

I added all the sponsorship items on my page here to the TRENTILA tabber, fetched as many descriptions as I could from the Jinko video (final page was missing)

it just needs the images now
https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/User:Animatic#tabber-Clothes

[heady marsh]

i didn't sign up yet, if you want i can send you all trentila tomorrow

[frigid stone]

All of Trentila's sponsorship items' names, descriptions, and images are on this page already https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Sponsorships#tabber-TRENTILA_2

[sleek solstice]

much love ill add them now, big help

[heavy gale]

We can recover your account if you want within a week or so 👀

[sleek solstice]

added the cosmetics from the sponsorship now (only missing the headwear/facewear/gloves/shoes' images and descriptions from it)

Also, small thing

but not sure if I should include this item from the sponsorship in the tabber since it technically doesnt have any branding on it

[unkempt obsidian]

Good morning, sure 👀

[lament grail]

I've been meaning to add the properties for the bfr and fill out the p90's page overall for a bit but I have kind of been putting it off. I don't really do guides for the most part, but if nobody else is doing it, I may as well give it a shot

[heavy gale]

check your DMs

[magic oasis]

can someone write an in-depth explanation of what the in-world crosshair setting changes? does the actual placement of shots change with it on or off? or is one more accurate to the real shot placement than the other?

[sour flare]

it remove the movement of the crosshair when you turn it off.
example when you jump, crosshair will move a little bit, but when you turn it off it will not move at all, it will be on the center of your screen. not working with sight though

[magic oasis]

yeah but does that actually affect where bullets come out?

[sour flare]

it will change nothing except crosshair. as it said in the settings

[magic oasis]

hm okay, in that case which one is more accurate to where shots are placed?

[sour flare]

it's preference. it's up to you, on or off.

[polar flicker]

Thank you to whoever put our sponsorship outfit in the trentila wiki page bible

[tulip burrow]

The dispersion reticle is best for that. The in-world just moves around with the world kinda worthless. A static reticle with a dispersion will let you know where your shots are going to land. I prefer the circular dispersion reticle because its easiest to see the spread.

[heady marsh]

Done

still missing gallery images

[cinder oasis]

Same question

[olive jacinth]

Thanks !

[mystic briar]

go to your person icon (around top right of screen) look at the top for "recruit" click it and select that person. edit: other person has to accept it

[mystic briar]

go to your person icon (around top right of screen) look at the top for "recruit" click it and select that person. edit: other person has to accept it

[vague finch]

Redid almost the entirety of the Sights (https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Sights) page, added new optics, redid optic icons, redid gallery. I plan on adding a second gallery for every iron sight in the game (plus the SR-84's scope) but I sure as hell don't have the energy for that right now ...

brain tired

spent two hours working on this, I go sleep now

The image for the Revive Statue (https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Revive_Statue) is outdated if I'm not mistaken

[frigid stone]

yeah, they added a new one this season I believe

[vague finch]

Added a small list of weapons that are incompatible with or simply don't have additional sights

[lone monolith]

Looking good!

[frosty bluff]

SPEAR RANGE IS NOT 7.5 M LMFAO

Its like 4m on first attack with maybe 4.5m on the 2nd and 3rd attack

THERE MORE I READ THE SPEAR WIKI THE MORE WRONG THERE IS
THE SPEAR ATTACK IS A THIN DISK AND PEOPLE CAN GO ABOVE AND BELOW THE ATTACK

YOU CANNOT PRIMARY ATTACK EITHER WHO WROTE THIS SHIT

[dapper sapphire]

💀

have fun gelz

[heavy gale]

I'm gonna guess someone misinterpreted Increased the lunge distance from 6m to 7.5m on basic attacks, making it easier to hit enemies as it has a range of 7.5m

On the other ones, if it's wrong, you can always edit the wiki and correct the information, joys of it being a community wiki.

[frosty bluff]

its not 7.5m lunge distance either
more like 5-6m

[heavy gale]

that's what is on the Embark patchnotes

[frosty bluff]

embark is a indie company I am afirad

[heavy gale]

tbf you do start lunging at around 7m

[frosty bluff]

8.0.0
Spear

Fixed an issue where being Winch Clawed while using the secondary attack of the Spear would prevent using that attack again for a few seconds

Didnt do jackshit

8.0.1
Dagger

Fixed an issue where releasing the secondary attack early, before fully charged, could cause distorted and stuck sound effects

also did fuckall and introduced a new animation bug

They keep shadow changing invis melee quick melee interaction melee lunge and dont say it in the patchnotes either

[frosty bluff]

No lol
5 barely 6m

[heavy gale]

it defo lunges forwards at 7m

though you have to be holding W for a tiny bit before attacking by the looks of it before it does lunge

[frosty bluff]

its more like 6.5 to the said 7.5

and the contestants arms foward hitbox is making you lunge at seemingly 7

I dont wanna shit on your video but embark cant fix stuff at all

[heavy gale]

that's why I added a mouse thing there to see when I actually hit the button as compared to the distance in-game and the first 1-2 seconds shows it's about 7.xm

[lament grail]

To be fair, embark has been wrong before. The KS23 firerate js supposed to be 85 rpm according to embark, but that's completely untrue

[heavy gale]

I'm not saying Embark is correct, just that it is what is said there before someone tries to say something on the lines of "you're pulling that out your arse too"

but also it does seem to be around 7m to begin lunge, who actually knows though because you're never gonna get the perfect testing unless you make a script to click the mouse at the exact time and distance you want

[icy pebble]

How do we get an empty VC room?

[vague finch]

Added three galleries (one for each archetype) for Iron Sights on every weapon for Sights (https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Sights)

It's funny to me just how dark the LH1's vignette is compared to everything else

[polar flicker]

Thank you to whoever updated our bible again to add the fragapple, Hazharvester, and island pop skins. all that's left is all of the separate pieces of clothing that are a part of our field agent signee outfit

[magic oasis]

whats the lunge range

ok so the lunge range is longer than the range itll actually hit the lunge in
but thats fine because it still brings you closer

[frosty bluff]

If you re chasing someone net total it slows you down

Melee lunge is horrible in this game and it’s ONLY mad really ONLY good on dual blades and dogshit on every other melee

[sharp quarry]

I feel like that sentence should be updated to include the fact that enemies can be hit faster based on the position of the camera relative to them

[sharp quarry]

4.4m for 1st swing roughly, 4.6m ish on the last 2

[sharp quarry]

Holy shit they added a spin cancel section? You're allowed to add tech to the wiki?

Bouta hop on that spear wiki page grind if I can add stuff that isn't just statistics

[heavy gale]

Yesn't, it can be added but it depends if you keep it updated when changes happen else you end up with people saying "that's incorrect". Also depends on if it's actual legit gameplay tech and not an unintended exploit that gives unfair advantages.

[sharp quarry]

Spin cancel is pretty fair since it cripples the user with a lockout on m1, m2 and sprinting

[lone monolith]

What anim bug

[frosty bluff]

#1213572237941284864 message

[cinder oasis]

Lh1 Hard focus sniping 😂

[bold topaz]

Someone knows how to fix random shots and aim

[cinder oasis]

Go for aim training

[heady marsh]

I'm gonna upload the new event rewards to the wiki, just give me the time to write down the names

[sour flare]

just win+shift+s and paste it on google translate image section and click on copy text

very fast. better than manually typing the description.

[heady marsh]

I use OCR scanning with share x to extract text and description but thanks for the info, i will give it a shot

@sour flare Some names are missing, i will upload them once i get to know the names

also, do we use "Set" or "Outfit" for them?

[sour flare]

it's depending on the name

[heady marsh]

in the game is "set", but on the wiki all of these types use outfit

[sour flare]

i think we only put the names in the file

like Epic VIRTUE POLICY

[heady marsh]

ok thanks, cause I saw that some outfits like the cashball or bullseye berry got "outfit" at the end of file name

[sour flare]

i think it's Rarity_NAME-OptionalInfo

if some of the items is not in the game yet, just adding them later

[south lance]

Those lave skins, do they have the same effects just like the AK lava skin?

[heady marsh]

i suppose you mean the glow effect when you fire them, if it's that idk honestly

[south lance]

Yaa that effect, when we fire it starts glowing.

[heady marsh]

I would like to know it to answer you sorry

i don't have access to that type of info unfortunately

[sleek solstice]

Thank you to whoever filled out the Trentila/Holtow sponsorship items
actual beast

[rare kindle]

I don't know if you guys want to add it to the wiki, but all Qualified Esports Teams and Partnered Esports Teams were allowed to pick 1 sponsor unique to them that would sponsor their set and team throughout the Grand Major and onward.

All the sponsors meshing with the Pro Teams would be fun to track and record. Kinda fun to see who all OSPUZE or VOLPE backs overtime

I own Vanguard Gaming, one of the teams getting their bundle in game, and we are backed by DISSUN. The 6 in game currently also have their respective bundles.

Quick Teaser as well

[sleek solstice]

Probably will get around to adding them, maybe on their own tab? Lets see what the others think too

need to add the ultimate BP items

[rare kindle]

I was assuming it would just be a one-liner under the sponsors page, I don't think they need to be fully highlighted unless the esports cosmetic bundles are going to be as well

DISSUN Sponsored Vanguard Gaming in The FINALs Grand Major 1

Something to that affect

[sleek solstice]

I don't think I'd personally add the line until/unless the sponsors start sponsoring other Esports orgs in the future
I was thinking of mainly just adding the cosmetics to the cosmetics' tabber since the sponsors' logos appear on the cosmetics

[rare kindle]

Makes sense

[sleek solstice]

so maybe for example here as part of the outfits tab or another new tab

[rare kindle]

The orgs level of interaction with their in-game sponsor is fully up to their own digression while designing the pieces. I know we went with a few more than most

[sleek solstice]

That's interesting to know, I was actually curious when looking at the cosmetics since a lot of the sponsored items didn't look like their respective company's styles

[rare kindle]

We just got a list and couldn't pick one already selected, you will not see any red on our bundle, yet are backed by DISSUN, and are using their branding in our work. Blacking out or whiting out their logo to fit in.

On twitter and stuff you can see some orgs leaning into it, and some not.

For instance, we are using their hashtag with ours, and using their logo in our graphics #VGGWIN | PoweringEliminations or KCP with ALFA ACTA https://x.com/PioneersGG/status/1973748254308552733

[sleek solstice]

I think of ENVY being sponsored by OSPUZE but not having any yellow for example

[rare kindle]

I wanted OSPUZE badly, with our gold colorway and knew I would be too slow with SSG and KCP as orgs, but I am shocked that Envy got there first, especially with ISEUL-T and ENGIMO as options

Vanguard Gaming has always been Black and Gold but we went white and gold with this outfit and bundle to be different from SSG and KCP

[sleek solstice]

Oh so sponsors can't sponsor multiple orgs? not even for the next major? or is that unclear

[rare kindle]

Unclear, it is implied that they can for next major, just no double up for this one. So I would assume 1 sponsor per org per major based on their phrasing

It gives a bit of exclusivity and identity instead of OSPUZE sponsoring everyone

[sleek solstice]

that's fair

I was just wondering of the plan when more orgs eventually join the scene

[rare kindle]

I like it and it gives us the ability to get some DISSUN fans on our side, or get our bundle without knowing or caring to rep us

[rare kindle]

Then we will start to build the DISSUN family etc. That is not too indifferent from other sponsors in other scenes

[sleek solstice]

Oh, another question, was CNS an available choice? :P

[rare kindle]

Yes they were

I think that they were too different from our personal branding for us to pick them but yes. I know a few of the Embark guys wanted someone to pick them up

[sleek solstice]

That's really interesting, my headcanon was that they were strictly off-limits since theyre not technically a sponsor

[rare kindle]

It would more be CNS taking over the org and branding imo, that is what we contemplated doing as a creative team, but decided to go with a sponsor that we could match with better

[sleek solstice]

given what I've seen with the available bundles I can get that

[rare kindle]

It would be fun to execute on, maybe next major haha

[sleek solstice]

Well, regardless, I'll start drafting out an idea for including the ESports bundles onto the wiki, maybe writing it in text will be easier than the related items tabber, I'll have to bring it up to others to see how they;d do it

[rare kindle]

I appreciate you and everything everyone does for the wiki!

[cloud relic]

you guys missed a nerf pyro grenade from two to one ammo

[vocal perch]

Im 100% sure yall didn’t but we’ve been arguing for half an hour if it ever had 2 charges but I never played betas so I don’t know about then, so if any cb1 veteran can confirm that’d be great

[hidden olive]

im no cb1 vet but i dont think it ever had 2 charges, been playing since very late s2

[bleak robin]

Hey this might be the place to ask, does anyone know the range of the flame thrower, cause it doesn't list it in the wiki. And also could we have it added to the wiki for future reference

[heady marsh]

I would like to know too, i never had the chance to test it out

[vocal perch]

I’ve been playing since season 1, I’ve always used pyro on all classes and it has never been 2, I literally just can’t convince him

[heavy gale]

can't find any patchnotes that say pyro ever went from 2 -> 1.

Did find https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/comments/18hl8rl/gas_grenadesmines_op_af_compared_to_pyro_nade/ which shows pyro being ammo count 1 - 13th December 2023.

unless you are thinking of the frag grenade nerf that caused it go from 2 -> 1

[hidden olive]

yeah i didnt think it was 2 either

[vocal perch]

He’s taken everything I’ve said and just gone “nuh uh, I remember having 2” to literally every proof I’ve shown

[vocal perch]

when did you start playing? That could help us locate this imaginary pyro grenade nerf

[heavy gale]

CB2 also had 1 pyro ammo so

[vocal perch]

Yeah, I honestly don’t think it did but whatever I said he completely disregarded

[junior vessel]

OB, pyro never had 2 charges. Regular nades & c4 did tho.

[polar flicker]

The most recent update seems to've killed the trentila bible (wiki page) for some reason

[sleek solstice]

whats wrong with it, looks fine to me

Also, if anyone can send a breakdown of the Trentila sponsorship outfit and all its pieces/descriptions, that'd be nice

[wary bane]

I was looking on the Wiki at the CL-40 (my beloved) and saw "legacy" skins

my question is, what are these skins, and how were they/are they obtainable?

were they an old bundle? from the beta? just asking around

[polar flicker]

this is what i see both when i go to it from my bookmark and go to it manually from the main sponsors page

[polar flicker]

I'm gonna do it as soon as i unlock it

Maybe embark banned me from my own wiki page for mental health reasons because i was too obsessed with it

[sour flare]

yes legacy rarity is from closed alpha if i remember correctly or maybe beta

[heavy gale]

Can you try ctrl + F5 on the page.

[polar flicker]

Huh. That was an easy fix

Thanks

[cloud relic]

nah i swear it was pyros

[heady marsh]

@opaque rune can you explain me this vegas WT problem that's going on for some time now?

[vocal perch]

here’s the issue, we have actual evidence against this and proof it wasn’t, your evidence is “but I remember” which isn’t evidence at all

[normal sundial]

Anyone know how long until you’re kicked for afk in heaven or else mode

[heady marsh]

it's the same for all modes the afk timer but idk what it is

[normal sundial]

Anyone know how to get special font in your name?

[polar flicker]

For some reason, somehow IVADA makes the silent sledger set because of their logo and slogan on the duffel bag. In picture one you can see the slogan on the padded part of the sling and in picture two you can just barely see their logo on the side of it (Please excuse my shaky hands in the outline of the second one)

The pink cataclysm set isn't listed on the IVADA bible either

Most of the esports sets aren't in their respective sponsor's bibles either

[sleek solstice]

Not all the esports bundles are out yet so I think its best to wait to see how to tackle it too

[sharp quarry]

It lines up with the season 4 bonus page mask

[polar flicker]

That's what confuses me though why would they make another if they already have one. Either way i'm not complaining, the new one isn't bonus page or sponsor exclusive and the back of it isn't hideous

[polar flicker]

Wait there's more? Well then there's still a chance one of them chose us to be their sponsor

[heady marsh]

is nozomi in poweshift? i've seen the recent hotfix, was that a bug or they forgot to add it in the mode description?

[violet lance]

It was a bug that nozomi showed up in powershift

[heady marsh]

oh ok, would have been cool there powershif imo btw

[heavy gale]

When you provide any semblance of proof to backup your claim

[polar flicker]

Sounds like a perfectly reasonable and concrete reason to me that's all the proof i need

[heady marsh]

Source: Trust me bro

[polar flicker]

If i wanna contribute images of clothing items and their descriptions do i just chuck 'em here?

[minor finch]

you can share here or add them to the wiki directly!

[polar flicker]

What permissions do i need to become a wiki contributor?

[minor finch]

you just need to create a wiki account that's all

[polar flicker]

Oh cool i didn't know it was that easy, Thanks!

[polar flicker]

Yippie i made my first change! I feel pretty proud ngl even if the image is low quality and i made it so it's ".png.png" at the end lol.

[minor finch]

nice!

[polar flicker]

I want to add the getaway duffel to ivada's bible but i'm not too sure where crossbodys go

[polar flicker]

I don't see how this is wiki related but you can always do "-levels" to look at the perms and level requirement and "-r" in #🏆┇rank-check to see your level

[final night]

sorry D: thank you

-levels

[rich patrol]

Our leveling system

"Why can't I do some things in the server?"

• You may need to level up first!

How to level up? Just look around and join conversations. Lots to talk about!

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• join VC • make bug reports • chat in most channels
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[polar flicker]

Erm... I may have accidentally broke the trentila page and i'm not sure how to fix it

It's not too severe but the formatting is a bit bugged and i don't know what's wrong since when i compare it to another working page there's no difference yet when i look at it it's still broken

This is what it looks like still and i'm kinda panicking

okay i genuinely have no fucking clue what's wrong. Like i've compared everything to the goddamn spaces with the alfa acta page and the trentila one still doesn't look the way it should

[heavy gale]

Looks like 1z1Fr4g has fixed it for you

[polar flicker]

Bless that guy.

I'm amazed I didn't pass out before they did haha

[vague finch]

Deathmatch wasn't added back, was it?

[polar flicker]

Considering i've never heard of it no

[polar flicker]

What do we think about changing the icons for outfits like ultimate harvest in the page the for the sponsors to the same icons they have in the battlepass? I mean look at how much cooler they look than the normal one you see in the style menu!

[minor finch]

We try to stick to the actual in-game icons as consistency takes priority on pages like Style

those icons could work on the BP tabbers though, I think some are already used

[polar flicker]

Fair enough

[polar flicker]

I'm about to update the IVADA bible but I'm wondering why it's done this before i post it, I didn't touch that at all?

[minor finch]

Are you using the visual editor or source editor? the former can do stuff like this.

[polar flicker]

I'm using the word spagetti one, this one:

[minor finch]

Ah so visual editor, but it displays source when you edit a tabber. If you want to keep total control, I'd use the source editor.

[polar flicker]

Ah okay. So will what i've accidentally changed cause a problem or can i just send the edit?

And one more thing. It's done this even though i've linked the image correctly?

[polar flicker]

^

[minor finch]

there's a space between the file extension :)

[minor finch]

the tabber name being on the same line shouldn't cause any issues

[polar flicker]

lmao oops

Thanks again friendo

[sleek solstice]

Just a tip, if you're worried about accidentally submitting something and it being broken or not looking nice, try making the changes on your own profile page first

[polar flicker]

So like pasting everything to my own profile and testing it?

[sleek solstice]

Yeah, for example when I was creating the Trentila page I tested it all out on my page first
https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/User:Animatic

you can see the gadgets part of the tabber has the 404 pictures because they werent uploaded at that point

big ups for actually going through and uploading the pictures for a lot of these sponsor items though

[polar flicker]

Thanks. I don't know how to get the really high quality versions yet though so i'm still just screenshotting it but it wouldn't feel complete without the pictures

[sleek solstice]

I think most images are datamined, so I stick to screenshotting too

[sleek glacier]

use backticks instead of quotes

`-levels`

produces

-levels

[polar flicker]

-levels

[sleek glacier]

nice because codeblocks enable cleaner copy-paste and better visual identification

[polar flicker]

Cool, thanks

[polar flicker]

Does anyone know how to do the crossed out text in the wiki it'd be nice for my profile

[sonic kelp]

diamond and amethyst are the same amount? my friend has 100 mil but no amethyst

[polar flicker]

If i had to guess amethyst would be about 500mil but yeah that needs updating

[sonic kelp]

I have 122 mil and have it but my friend has 100 and doesnt

[polar flicker]

Yeah i know

[polar flicker]

Wouldn't it make more sense to link the season 5 battle pass page and not the season 5 page and the battle pass page?

[unreal salmon]

This really does need updating, at 100M as well and didn't get it

[sour flare]

they removed the career rewards. you now receive the cosmetics from career rewards for free as a new player

[sleek solstice]

Thats good IMO, more customization immediately

[frigid stone]

pretty sure they're rewards for completing contracts

[sour flare]

no it's not, this account is only level 4 with only 2 match playtime

[frigid stone]

5 sets/stages of contracts in total

there's definitely contracts for all 5 of those freebie outfits

[sour flare]

oh, my bad then

[kindred kelp]

that's sick wth i didnt know that lol

[polar flicker]

What's with the dissun logo?

[simple basin]

Is there a list of the sponsorship titles ?

[sour flare]

titles?

[polar flicker]

If you're talking about slogans and names pretty much all of it is there: https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Sponsors

[simple basin]

Like Holtow pioneer 4 etc...

[polar flicker]

Ohhh I know what you mean. Yeah there should be a page of that. Ngl loyalty sponsor titles should be unique to the specific sponsor too

[polar flicker]

omg bruh

And here i am getting just about all of the legendary and epic ones first not having to worry about spending any more than 200 MB

Ngl we should have a page with all of the event and esports stuff

[violet lance]

An event page already exists https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Events

esports too https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/The_Grand_Major_2025

[polar flicker]

I didn't know that existed probably because you can't find it on this page unless i'm blind

[violet lance]

yeah i think you have to search for it

[polar flicker]

i didn't know this one had the cosmetics on it

i should probably make those TSM images though since they are sponsored by us. I've put off adding more of their stuff to the trentila page because i don't know the order the of the stuff inside accessories catagory

i have already made a vanguard outfit image though so i should probably update that

So despite the thingo already having the name of the image i made it still won't appear on the grand major page. Odd

[heady marsh]

this is the idra-q logo, in the DRG set of the major 25, is there an official version?

i forgot to check the wiki it was already there😭

[sleek solstice]

@frigid stone did you redraw the Hydra Q logo or did you datamine it? Either way great job

[frigid stone]

redraw

[sleek solstice]

Good stuff, well done

[heady marsh]

damn good job

[sleek solstice]

thought it was official

[daring pecan]

speaking of, can we use that logo to replace the hacked one on the sponsors page of the wiki?

[frigid stone]

shift+f5

[polar flicker]

This does nothing

And if you meant ctrl F5 none of the icons update

But when you click on hydraq it does have the new icon so maybe it's just me

[frigid stone]

It does do something. It's dependent on which browser you use. On Chrome it refreshes the page with no cache being used.

[polar flicker]

Well for me shift F5 does nothing but ctrl F5 does something

Honestly i just think it's my browser buggin atp lol

[waxen sinew]

Is there a page that specifically discusses destruction mechanics? I am thinking of making a dedicated page on it.

[heady marsh]

no there's not

[lament grail]

the problem is that the destruction mechanics are a closed book. there's not really very much to talk about because we don't know anything about it on a technical level

[polar flicker]

I feel like hydra Q and eno+rino should be a featured brand, no?

[signal jacinth]

Put me on the home page of finals wiki

[polar flicker]

When you finish forming your identity

[signal jacinth]

Yes ceo

https://tenor.com/view/emotiguy-salute-joe-hi-emotiguy-joe-salute-gif-12916449566301630787

[sleek solstice]

I'd say no, infact, demote Örf And possibly IVADA

[lament grail]

maybe eno+rino because it appears on a lot of carreer rewards, but HydraQ is like the definition of Not Featured

like they specifically got close to being featured but didn't because of CNS

[polar flicker]

Fym "???". Would this not be a twitch drop too?

[polar flicker]

I'd take that as well honestly because then it's consistent

[polar flicker]

That's true but i just thought they were lore significant enough to be with the other big sponsors

[rare kindle]

Is the wiki down or just on my end?

[red patrol]

nah i think something very wrong is going on

[lament grail]

Featured vs Ynfeatured isn't about lore significance, it's about whether those sponsors have been officially signed and partnered with The Finals gameshow

[weary zephyr]

The Engimo page on the wiki is missing a lot of stuff

[polar flicker]

Yeah. I was gonna update it myself but Ichikawa went into a coma before she could give me the images

I miss her :(

[polar flicker]

Wtf happened to half of the images on the trentila page?

Omnia life image is broken too. Is this just another weird thing that's only broken for me or is this stuff actually broken

[sour flare]

i think it's broke

should be good now. i don't know why it happen

[polar flicker]

A bunch of the trentila cosmetics are still broken though

[sour flare]

yeah i think it's wiki fault

[polar flicker]

Rip. Ty for fixing the other stuff though

[slow ore]

How do people have icons with their clan tag and colors?

[polar flicker]

Clan?

[slow ore]

Club

[polar flicker]

Ohh. I know the pro teams can have that stuff but i haven't heard or seen anyone else do that stuff

[slow ore]

I've seen about 2

How do your team become a pro team?

[polar flicker]

If you wanna know you need to build up a decent social media presence, join an amateur team and then join tournaments and build up experience and then eventually get into the really big leagues. A lot of effort to get a fancy icon on your club logo ngl

[slow ore]

Lol yeah

[frigid stone]

what happened to the wiki? The main container's width is no longer clamped

[polar flicker]

It's not like that for me. Try ctrl F5?

[frigid stone]

tried that already

looks fine in an incognito window

[polar flicker]

idk then

either way i think it looks better

[frigid stone]

resetting my data for the site worked

[frigid stone]

it's way worse

there's a reason why there's a max width

[heavy gale]

is it changed from Standard to Full in the bottom left?

[minor finch]

@ionic heath Hello! you should be able to see this channel now. Thanks for all your contributions to the wiki. Just a heads up if you want to type here you'll need to be server level 3.

[minor finch]

Thanks @opaque rune too, I just saw your talk page about not being able to chat here yet

and extending thanks to everyone who can see this channel now but can't say hi just yet

[polar flicker]

So that's why they're updating all the bibles but I never saw them here

[storm sapphire]

I can type here now yo that’s cool

[polar flicker]

Nice

[storm sapphire]

I’m so happy 😁

[polar flicker]

[sleek solstice]

https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Juno_Paico I updated this page's overview to mention Juno Paico's creation of ÖRF!, Should I include the ÖRF! character that mentions Juno Paico to the related items tabber?

[storm sapphire]

Probably if they are related

[polar flicker]

Yes

[sleek solstice]

I reckon the entire ÖRF! section of the mascot's page could be copied over to the Juno Paico page and Juno Paico could replace ÖRF! on the sponsor page list

[polar flicker]

You could say the same about all of the DXZ and X7//AV stuff

Also i feel like we should demote IVADA and Örf to the "other brands" section since they aren't featured yet

[sleek solstice]

I say it mainly because while ÖRF! is its own brand in the game its unclear to me if it'd ever be a sponsor, I bet Juno Paico would most likely be the sponsor

[steep thicket]

Just curious, where'd we get this from?

[heady marsh]

recreation from a user on this server

i don't remember the @

[steep thicket]

So... Not official?

[heady marsh]

nope unfortunately, we are waiting to the official one to relese somewhere.

[steep thicket]

Also not that I do or plan to do anything with the wiki, but don't demote IVADA they have been a season sponsor in Season 5 and 7

Season 5 bonus page, season 7 UBP

[polar flicker]

IVADA's only sponsored the battle passes they haven't been an official seasonal sponsor yet

[heady marsh]

I hope they will be one day, I think they can come up with some interesting concepts.

[polar flicker]

Yeah me too they rock

[polar flicker]

It's a recreation of the logo found on the DRG helmet so the colours aren't official

[violet lance]

imo being a sponsor for bonus pages or the ultimate track is enough to be called an official sponsor

[heady marsh]

yes but i think they ment the official sponsor signup that you do at the start of the season

[violet lance]

Are we sure it's Sodracing? https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Sodracing
Psodracing makes more sense imo

[heady marsh]

yeah you're right

[polar flicker]

I always thought it was Psodracing too

[winged axle]

[steep thicket]

I mean that is what being a sponsor of the game is... Like Volpe has never been a player sponsor, just a season sponsor

[minor finch]

some HD cosmetic icons are on the official website now
https://www.reachthefinals.com/

[polar flicker]

Allat and we still aren't at the bottom with the other sponsors💔

[minor finch]

To be honest I never really saw the vision of adding cosmetics to each sponsor page, seems like a ton of work

What we really need, and it's been discussed a few times, is one central database of cosmetics that gets fetched by each page

That would completely eliminate inconsistencies across pages and cut down the workload of adding cosmetics by like 80%

[heady marsh]

that's what i'm saying, maybe a template that gets updated for each sponsor could be doable

[polar flicker]

Yeah it would be amazing. It would also make adding sponsor stuff so much easier too

[minor finch]

I'm working on implementing this rn

These are the attributes I've currently got for each cosmetic. Probably missing some, let me know any others that may be needed:

(future me edited the list out of this message)

[sour flare]

IsObtainable

how does this work?

[minor finch]

All cosmetics are stored in one table (using the Cargo extension), and each cosmetic is assigned attributes from the above list.

Those attributes can then be used to fetch certain groups of cosmetics, for example Type="HEADWEAR" AND Rarity=EPIC" or IsBattlePass=1 AND Season=6.

I've put everything behind the {{GetCosmetics}} template. It has the following fields:

• requirements defines what cosmetics to fetch, so for example Type="FACEWEAR" or Sponsors HOLDS "OSPUZE"
• format is how the cosmetics will be displayed, the options are
  • Cards - normal CosmeticCard display
  • Table - normal table
  • Table-<type> (e.g. Table-TwitchDrop) - type-specific tables, for example the Twitch Drops page needs a "Watch Time" column, this will handle that
• orderby defines what attribute to order cosmetics by. Defaults to Name (alphabetical). Adding DESC reverses the order.

So for example, on the Style page, under the "EPIC" tabber for "Headwear", we'd write the following:

{{GetCosmetics|requirements=Type="HEADWEAR" AND Rarity="EPIC"|format=Cards|orderby=Name}}

This will produce all Epic Headwear cosmetics in alphabetical order. The only place we need to manually add cosmetics is the Cargo table itself. All pages using the {{GetCosmetics}} template will then auto-update.

The fundamentals are all basically in place, we just need to finalize the attributes list and install the Page Forms extension, which will let us add new cosmetics with unique IDs (to avoid name clashes).

The big chore then will be adding all existing items to the Cargo table, but once that's done, cosmetics should become massively quicker and easier to manage.

[sour flare]

thats so much work

[minor finch]

adding existing cosmetics will be yes, but worth it imo

we can choose to only add new cosmetics to start with of course, and leave existing tables / cards up before older cosmetics get their turn

[sleek solstice]

that's huge, I love that, its definitely going to be a strain at the beginning but its already a strain now having all the cosmetics not shared across pages

[prime comet]

🫡 Yellow!!! 🫡
🌟 Does Anyone knows how the points count works in World Tour??
❓ Witch win, witch fase, how mutch cost?
✅ Just for playing the 1st fase i know its 2 points..
Thanks for the atenttion..

[violet lance]

https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/World_Tour

[frigid stone]

So what exactly must be done for older cosmetics? Like how would I add such info for one of them?

[minor finch]

In order to add a cosmetic and also make it editable later, it needs to be on its own page with the Cosmetic: prefix. e.g. /wiki/Cosmetic:ATHLETIC HAT-1234 (number is unique ID).

Using the {{Cosmetic}} template on that page is what actually initiates its addition to the Cargo table. Each attribute is a field, like so:

{{Cosmetic
|Icon=Filename.png
|Name=ATHLETIC HAT
|Type=HEADWEAR
|Rarity=RARE
|Description=An on-field look for the arena.
|etc ...
}}

This will all be streamlined with the Page Forms extension that turns this process into a basic input form. It will also auto-assign each cosmetic a unique ID. Unfortunately we don't have Page Forms right now, so in its place I have this temporary solution that simply preloads the template. https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/User:Raid/AddCosmeticTemp

Still, the attributes list is not completely finalized, so I'm not adding a lot of cosmetics right now in case they need to be edited later. It's better to wait for Page Forms, but if you want to start adding some with temp IDs, that's how to do so.

I'm also looking to see if we can create cosmetic pages in bulk somehow.

[minor finch]

when the whole wiki goes down as I'm regenerating the main Cargo table

[minor finch]

This revamp also presents an opportunity to standardize our CosmeticCard variations.

Here I've modified CosmeticCard to follow the same behavior as Items_Display, in that the optional background changes color depending on Battle Pass tier (free, premium, ultimate). This would mean the image dimensions, text size, etc are all guaranteed to be consistent across the wiki as we wouldn't need to use a different template.

For reference the query being made here is

{{GetCosmetics
|requirements=IsTGM25PassReward=1 AND IsLevelRepresentation=1 AND BattlePassLevel < 9
|format=Cards-BattlePass
|orderby=BattlePassLevel
}}

[heady marsh]

2 6 14 25 https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/World_Tour#Progression

[polar flicker]

Lol I just realised the drift shot set is from CR-MP and it also has X7//AV on it

[unkempt obsidian]

I don't think anyone ever put up the in game video for the Head2Head event (which is interesting because back in my day, when there was an in game vignette, people were immediately hopping on to record it and put it up on YT, but not for this one) so I decided to dig it up from my archives, here ya go.

[minor finch]

I've switched unique ID assignment to now use the {{PageID}} of each cosmetic's designated Cosmetic: page. This makes the ID pretty rock solid as it's tied to the same thing the cosmetic details are tied to (the page itself). I also think the attributes list is in a good place now. So while Page Forms will make things much easier, I've started to properly add cosmetics to the Cargo table. Anybody can add cosmetics via this temp page for now: https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/User:Raid/AddCosmeticTemp

[sleek solstice]

Is there any place to see what cosmetics are assigned what ID and what IDs are used up?

[minor finch]

The page ID gets generated by the wiki itself when a new cosmetic page is created, so there's no input or consideration from us required.

You can view the table at https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Special:CargoTables/CosmeticsTable

[sleek solstice]

That's pretty good, I like how comprehensive it all is

[minor finch]

The new template {{RelatedCosmetics}} can handle the entire "related items" section of each sponsor page.

All it needs is the name, like so: {{RelatedCosmetics|holtow}}. It will skip tabbers that don't contain any cosmetics.

The example above is small because very few Holtow items have been added to the central Cargo table so far.

[minor finch]

We should decide whether to adapt Type names for the wiki, and if so which.

I've got into the habit of using "CHARM" instead of the in-game "WEAPON CHARM", because the latter doesn't accurately represent gadgets and such.

I also tend to adjust plural Types for consistency, e.g. "BACKGROUND" instead of "BACKGROUNDS", because other Types are singular, like "OUTFIT" (not "OUTFITS").

It's just a matter of how closely we want to follow the in-game Type names. Personally I'm in favor of adapting for the wiki but it's not really a big deal.

[frigid stone]

it looks like there's finally a name to go along with one of the unnamed sponsors/brands

[ionic heath]

tbh i agree with wiki approach
BACKGROUNDS -> BACKGROUND
BORDERS -> BORDERS
WEAPON CHARM -> CHARM
Rest can remain like in-game

Not sure about these tho
GESTURES -> GESTURE
SOUNDS -> SOUND

Also do we separate animations for equipment then or just shove them all under ANIMATION?
We can do something like: DEPLOY CYCLE ACTION TACTICAL RELOAD EMPTY RELOAD INSPECT
or ANIMATION \\ DEPLOY ANIMATION \\ CYCLE ACTION ANIMATION \\ TACTICAL RELOAD ANIMATION \\ EMPTY RELOAD ANIMATION \\ INSPECT?

also hi wiki chat i can type now

[minor finch]

That's a good point, we could have an AnimationType attribute that only needs using if the main type is animation.

[ionic heath]

OR {{WEAPON}} \\ EMPTY RELOAD which would be a bit more compact and will allow weapon

[minor finch]

ahh they're per-weapon too yeah

[ionic heath]

cause {{WEAPON}} \\ ANIMATION \\ EMPTY RELOAD is kinda too long

[minor finch]

I like the weapon // anim type

so {{#ifeq: {{{Type|}}} | ANIMATION | {{{Equipment|}}} // {{{AnimationType|}}}}} in the table row template

[ionic heath]

weren't these shown like a long time ago?

Edit: Nvm these are different

[minor finch]

Just to clarify when it comes to tabbers / headers I think we should pluralize, so "outfits", "borders", "sounds", etc, because those group multiple cosmetics. It's just when we store & display details of individual cosmetics, I feel the type should always be singular, so it's interpreted as "this is a sound" rather than "this is a sounds" if that makes sense.

[eager sandal]

Yo ppl

Is the skin we see in the latest update thing going to be buyable?

[ionic heath]

no info yet
either bundle or exclusive cosmetics for team members (which would actually be insane)

[eager sandal]

Wdym so no one gets its besides 3 ppl?

[ionic heath]

yeah why not?

[heady marsh]

now that they changed wt drastically, what are we gonna do with the pages?

[ionic heath]

rewrite it ofc

[lone monolith]

Depends on what exactly the progression flow is. Will probably just hyperlink what gamemodes feed into the progression. (Which at least right now seems to be every mode but maybe not LTMS?)

[ionic heath]

can someone fact check me if the new map is called Fengwei City?

[ionic heath]

considering ltms were on the map i think they're also included
It's basically Quickplay + World Tour turned into one

[lone monolith]

That looks about right

[minor finch]

It also has options for practice range and private matches, so I get the feeling WT is becoming the main mode portal

[heady marsh]

So they are removing the game mode selection screens with this one?

[sleek solstice]

you select the gamemode on the left on the world map

[heady marsh]

They say it in the video at some point but I don't remember when

[heady marsh]

No I mean the other selection screen, the one when you click "gamemodes"

[sleek solstice]

probably gone and replaced by the world map page

[heady marsh]

Ok, I think that is much cleaner imo (rip gamemode images)

[ionic heath]

yeah but they kinda muffled it so i wasn't sure if it was the right thing

https://youtu.be/jwQlThIa4f8?si=IjQwzUuhfM0ZFaPB&t=64

[heady marsh]

You should look on the website

[ionic heath]

no article yet ((

[heady marsh]

Did you guys understand the new "choose your ranked or wt rewards with tokens thing"? honestly it left me with so many questions

[ionic heath]

new currency
separate shop for this currency
rewards in this shop change every season
(most likely)

at least i saw something similar in other games

[sleek solstice]

I think the idea is that instead of waiting for a specific rank to offer a specific skin, you can buy any skin using your rank coins, I.E no missing out on Diamond V9S because you didnt play S1 for example

[ionic heath]

that's also plausible
tbh description was vague
gotta wait for article or season itself

at least we won't have to change sponsorship page much

[heady marsh]

Yeah man, that would clear so much confusion

Also, now I'm worried that since now every gamemode gives wt points the matches could be full of sweats, I hope they thought about it

[ionic heath]

nah i think it would be more chill cause sweats won't have to grind emerald or quickplay

[ionic heath]

that's one of the reasons i didn't create arena page yet tbh
not sure if i got the name right

[heady marsh]

But that would make having an emerald badge easier for everyone

[sleek solstice]

FangWei City or FanWei City
it can probably be changed if you get it wrong

[polar flicker]

Isn't it just called dragon rising like the season name?

[heady marsh]

No I think it's not

[polar flicker]

Oh

[heady marsh]

I can confirmi it's most likely fengwei city, cause if u listen closely they say that "he pronounce it like "fangwai" but most likely he meant that, also if you seach the name on google, it comes up with chinese character stuff

i suppose 🙏

btw, i'm making a new wt gif for the new season, i'll upload it soon

did it: https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/File:Mov_Mode_S9_Worldtour_short.gif

[unreal ravine]

What can this be used for?

[heady marsh]

my idea was to replace the old S3 wt gif when we make a new wt page

[ionic heath]

someone made pages already but with slightly different names
I'll wait for article/release
then will make redirect to the correct one

[fickle rapids]

chat what was the cns reward since they won the showdown last season

[heady marsh]

model 1887 skin

https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Head2Head_Event#Extra_reward

[fickle rapids]

ah ok thnx

[steep thicket]

This seems to be an earlier/alt logo for Multi Co, as seen on Ursa's set

also the one on the wiki seems to be upside down 😂

[ionic heath]

🤔

[minor finch]

I'm noticing that recreating the Cargo table (to add new attributes) has a small chance of missing cosmetics. There were 205 rows before. They still exist on their pages with all their details, but for whatever reason their #cargo_store didn't work during recreation, so their pages need to be revisited to be added. The tricky bit is working out which two cosmetics got missed.

This won't be an issue once the attributes list is fully finalized and we don't need to adjust it as often.

[summer bridge]

lllli

[minor finch]

I've made it so the name of a cosmetic also functions as a link to its page, so editing details is easier

also all cosmetics are listed here, for quick checks on what's been added already: https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/User:Raid/AllCosmetics

table itself accessible at: https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Special:CargoTables/CosmeticsTable

[lone monolith]

It's FANGWAI CITY

[heady marsh]

so he was right

i thought he pronounced that wrong lol

[dapper sapphire]

Whete did you found this?

[lone monolith]

Embark sent out a S9 promo email

Doesn't reveal anything more than what was in the reveal, basically just an offical confirmation of the name being Fangwai City and a recap of everything else.

[minor finch]

new pic tho

[lone monolith]

Guess it also gives us an actual animated titlecard for S9 aswell

[dapper sapphire]

OH yea yeah yeahhh

Everything looks so good for the wiki

[ionic heath]

it seems like next season some game modes will be renamed
World Tour -> Cashout
Ranked Tournament -> Ranked Cashout

which is great because world tour is basically only a progression system from now on and it's less confusing

i wonder what's gonna happen to quickplay/ranked rewards. are they still their own progressions or are they being shoved into new WT? 🤔
because so far i only heard about getting wt rewards while playing qp/ranked and not the other way around

[polar flicker]

I think quickplay is either gonna only have the jacket getting shoved into the new WT or nothing at all. and i think ranked might move away from the menu it's in currently and move to another

[ionic heath]

made a page about R.O.B.
https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/R.O.B.
i didn't have much time to make a vector art recreation of the flag and insignia (and i'm not sure i will in the nearest future) so if anyone wants they can do it

[heady marsh]

can it be classified as a sponsor?

[ionic heath]

no it's not a sponsor
more like a lore thing

[heady marsh]

ok

[minor finch]

why is this bundle tagged as headwear

I've made it a bundle on the wiki

[polar flicker]

I really need to give CR-MP the love it deserves since there's a couple of skins that aren't on their page that should be. I also need to put that they're part of the IVADA family

[sleek solstice]

Have you got an example of how the cosmetics tabber can look like with the new unified item system?

(going off the assumption we're not omitting them from the sponsor pages)

[minor finch]

Yep, the {{RelatedCosmetics}} template is set up for this. Example: #📂┇the-finals-wiki message

Ideally, we could even turn the tabbers into just a field, so we wouldn't need a separate template for it.

e.g. on /wiki/Style: {{GetCosmetics|requirements=Type="HEADWEAR"|tabbers=Rarity|format=Cards|orderby=Name}}
and on /wiki/Holtow: {{GetCosmetics|requirements=Sponsors HOLDS "holtow"|tabbers=Type|format=Table|orderby=RarityRank}}

But I don't know if we should stress too much on having everything under one template, could cause complications.

Just the new template in its current state is still a monumental improvement over before.

[sleek solstice]

I saw that before thanks for the reminder🤦‍♂️

tried it out now on my own page and for sure its a lot cleaner, I can start moving some of the missing sponsor cosmetics to the main page

[sleek solstice]

my first contribution to the new system

[polar flicker]

Now i wanna update my bible

[sleek solstice]

did all the stuff from the ORF/Mascot page

also added it all to junopaico to test it out, really nice system, I bet we could also use it for all the experience/rank skins on the equipment pages

[minor finch]

already got that set up :)

requirements=IsEquipmentLevelReward=1 AND Equipment="..." and format=Cards-EquipmentLevels

[sleek solstice]

I noticed those perameters but didnt check if you had already updated a page, actual goat

Are we going to remove the 'weapon skins' tab at the bottom and replacing it with this new template or is there a way to include these to the template?

[minor finch]

I think so, yes. It's a lot of effort to cut out weapon skins like that. I was thinking we just replace it with cosmetic cards and normal icons.

better to have it up-to-date with small icons than months behind with HD images imo

we could add an attribute for them though, so they can be stored and used if ever needed

[sleek solstice]

They definitely look nice but we're barely keeping up with the square icons haha

[sleek solstice]

Good call, maybe an extra attribute alongside the mythic thumbnail one

[ionic heath]

animations could be included as well for that matter

[ionic heath]

did you figure out how to add MB to battle passes?

[minor finch]

No

Not without creating a separate Multibucks item for each time they appear.

I imagine it would be possible if we gave Battle Passes themselves a Cargo table, and a new template.. but I haven't wanted to get into that yet.

[polar flicker]

@minor finch Thanks for making all of this. I'll have to give it a test drive some time by putting my new fancy totally not a lazy reskin outfit on my bible

[ionic heath]

i did AKM and Winch Claw masteries as examples
https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/AKM#Item_Mastery
https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Winch_Claw#Item_Mastery

for skins you can just copy the pages from akm skins and change |Icon= and |Equipment= to corresponding ones

with things that have random stuff it is a bit trickier - add them as normal stickers/sounds/charms/etc. and then add
|Equipment=
|IsEquipmentLevelReward=1
|EquipmentLevel=
|XP=

BUT DO NOT ADD |IsEquipmentSkin=

[minor finch]

not sure how the table gained 6 rows without anybody adding new cosmetics

[dapper sapphire]

epic

[minor finch]

I'm going to recreate the table again and hope not many get missed.

All cosmetic pages are now in their own category btw that we can reference if any go missing from the table itself. https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Category:CosmeticPages

I've noticed it's usually cosmetics with the same name as others (like Broadcast Blaze and Dye Job) that get missed.

The category page also acts as a source of truth on how many cosmetics should be in the table. Right now it's 279, and the table has 277, so two went missing.

We can have missing cosmetics show up in their own category by running a count query using their UniqueID. If nothing gets returned, they aren't in the table. We can then check the category to find them. https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Category:MissedCosmetics

[minor finch]

Main Page update

The weekly store display may be a little ambitious, we'll see how it goes. It uses the StoreVersion attribute which for the latest cosmetics is 8120 (8.12.0). The version used on the main page is controllable via https://thefinals.wiki/wiki/Template:MainPage/settings.

It doesn't display items within bundles so those don't all have to be added at the same time.

[polar flicker]

You're gonna give Vaz a run for their money

[sleek solstice]

right or left for wiki image?

I'm leaning to right

left looks okay but that white corner is bothering me

https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/VOLPE

the evil gang is all here 🥹

[pallid verge]

expected someone that looked more like a furry for volpe

[sleek solstice]

I think I visualized most of the CEOs looks before they got released, except for Mackenzie, I couldn't even tell sex, ethnicity, nothing about em until the reveal

[heady marsh]

italian sponsor's wrestling mommy before cns ceo is wild

[sleek solstice]

Well CNS isn't a company or business, we can only assume Ariad is the ringleader

[heady marsh]

yeah but it would be awesome, we've seen a snapshot of the cns headshot in the 3 frogs video tho

[polar flicker]

Even me? I was predicting that i would look like that one guy

https://tenor.com/view/honest-word-its-honest-work-it-aint-much-it-aint-much-but-its-honest-work-gif-13763573

[sleek solstice]

Yeah roughly I imagined about what we have now

[polar flicker]

Damn someone's got some crystal balls

[heady marsh]

i thought she was a man before the reveal

[sleek solstice]

this made me chuckle hahah

I saw someone add the quote perameters on the ALFA ACTA CEO's quote so I went ahead and did it for all of them, good change

[sleek solstice]

I'm starting to move over the listed VOLPE cosmetics to the new system, once I moved them all over I'll replace the table on the sponsor page

[polar flicker]

I'll have to see if i have any badass quotes

Oh i do! "At TRENTILA, we don't just grow crops. We grow champions."

Oh nice it's already on my page

[sleek solstice]

Yeah I went through and did them all

[polar flicker]

I didn't read the second half of "I saw someone add the quote perameters on the ALFA ACTA CEO's quote so I went ahead and did it for all of them, good change" until later lol

[slim leaf]

hi Can I start s8 BP now?
can I complete it in S9 ? with all Multibucks from BP ?

[ionic heath]

most likely no
when s8 ends your bp is gone until s11 when it comes back as legacy bp
but it's gonna be without multibucks and last two pages
so if you're looking to buy a bp with multibucks wait till next season starts

[slim leaf]

can i start and complete it this week before s9? with xp boost i hate missing out, is s8 worth it?

[ionic heath]

i doubt you could complete full battlepass in 3 days
if you have like 2-3 pages left maybe you can, but still unlikely??

[velvet trellis]

you got like 3 days bro. it takes a how minute to do a full battlepass unless you play every hour starting now with no break

id say just wait for the next bp and save up to get the legacy version if theres anything you want

[queen panther]

Sofia Petronelle is still the hottest CEO and thus Ospuze is best

[polar flicker]

After being called the definition of "Hitting the wall" your insults mean nothing to me

[polar flicker]

S8 ain't worth it, wait until season 9. If you haven't bought the multibucks to buy the battle pass yet get the new contestant pack: https://store.steampowered.com/app/4124770/THE_FINALS__New_Contestant_Pack/ Obviously you don't have to worry about not being able to afford the premium bp too much since you have like 3 months to get it because you can just make it to the end of the bp but then buy the premium pass later

Steam

THE FINALS - New Contestant Pack

The New Contestant Pack includes:

• 1 Rare Outfit,
• …

Price

$7.99

[queen panther]

Are I wrong tho?

[polar flicker]

I don't really care

[queen panther]

Sofia is a baddie

[lone monolith]

You can get the S8 BP when S11 comes out, just minus the bonus pages.

[minor finch]

I've made a new template {{GetCosmetics-Tabbers}}. It is used just the same as {{GetCosmetics}} but with a new tabbers field that separates all results into tabbers. Only tabbers that contain results will be shown. It accepts Type or Rarity currently.

Example usage on the Style page:

===Charms===
{{GetCosmetics-Tabbers|requirements=Type="CHARM"|format=Cards|orderby=Name|tabbers=Rarity}}

===Stickers===
{{GetCosmetics-Tabbers|requirements=Type="STICKER"|format=Cards|orderby=Name|tabbers=Rarity}}

This means we can ditch {{RelatedCosmetics}} (despite its simplicity) and use this new template on sponsor pages for consistency and complete configurability. The only difference is that {{RelatedCosmetics}} hardcoded the following parameters instead of making them customizable.

{{GetCosmetics-Tabbers|requirements=Sponsors HOLDS "holtow"|format=Table|orderby=RarityRank|tabbers=Type}}

If we use this template on the Style page, then the page should technically never need editing again, unless Embark releases a new cosmetic type.

[polar flicker]

Wait that's actually wild

[ionic heath]

and i bet they gonna

[sleek solstice]

Does this pull from the cosmetics uploaded to the wiki like the RelatedCosmetics template?

[minor finch]

Yes, it functions exactly the same but lets us customize what gets returned instead of it being hardcoded for sponsor cosmetics.

[sleek solstice]

Just tested it out with the volpe tabber I was working on, good stuff

I take it we should keep uploading cosmetics through your raid/AddCosmeticTemp page

[ionic heath]

yeah
no page forms yet

[minor finch]

For now, yes, feel free to copy the input template used there to your own page of course

[ionic heath]

input temple on the cosmetic pages is a huge time saver, thanks raid 🙏

[minor finch]

ah yeah I should've realized sooner that would be much quicker than having to go back 😄

[sleek solstice]

I should probably do that, but I already have that page bookmarked haha

[minor finch]

can't wait for page forms, it should let us search for and filter cosmetics by attribute too (in a prettier way than how Cargo itself does it)

but in a way I'm glad we don't already have it, because the time waiting has been spent improving and finishing everything else

[ionic heath]

yeah a bunch of stuff got figured out by using it in practice

[sleek solstice]

I understand that, I think it'd be cleaner to have everything in a good spot beforehand

my personal goal is to get the volpe items reuploaded before s9's volpe items are shown off

[polar flicker]

I can send screen shots of the permafang outfit pieces since i have the bundle

[sleek solstice]

I think the wiki is missing the head and shoes

[polar flicker]

I might've already done those a while ago actually...

Oh they're broken?

Why are all of my screenshots that i've sent broken now i don't understand?

[minor finch]

If there's a thumbnail error it's because of the recent wiki rollback

some files were affected

[ionic heath]

yeah i fixed most of them but some weren't uploaded by me so they're still broken

[polar flicker]

Aka all of my image contributions. At least making new images is fairly easy compared to strugglingly triple checking every 2-3 words i put in as the description because i only have one monitor

[polar flicker]

I'll see about doing all of my broken images in an hour or so. I'll prioritise doing the volpe and trentila ones first

[ionic heath]

weirdly it seems like wiki still has the images
it just doesn't generate thumbnails for them until it's forced to

which it does when you upload an exact copy of the image

[polar flicker]

Well here it says it has no file at all!

[ionic heath]

nah it says no thumbnail
aka. no image preview
file is there
it's not being displayed
(that's my game theory at least. idk how it works in back end)

[polar flicker]

Well i'm still gonna have to re-do it all anyways since i clean out my screenshots folder every now and again so i don't have an exact copy.

[ionic heath]

most of the files that were broken i fixed by "uploading" exact copies of the images through batch uploader and it being "erm it's an exact copy of that file ☝️ "

stupidest fix ever

[polar flicker]

What batch uploader do you use?

[ionic heath]

https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Special:BatchUpload

although use carefully cause it uploads without a preview
so rename all the files to their respective names beforehand

(i would know i uploaded my full documents folder on this wiki once )

[polar flicker]

lmao. i hope your "4k Homework" folder wasn't in there too

[ionic heath]

nah just my 4k furry drawings
(for legal reasons - that's a joke)

[sleek solstice]

So in terms of the sorting by attribute, would it affect something like the weapon skins being sorted by class? Top is the old tabber bottom is the new GetCosmetics tabber

[sleek solstice]

I just finished reuploading all the (listed) volpe items, but the weapon skins I reuploaded arent appearing on the list

[minor finch]

It checks for IsEquipmentSkin=1

[minor finch]

This would be possible if we added an attribute for which class the equipment belongs to

[sleek solstice]

You reckon it'd look better than having a list of everything together?

[minor finch]

Actually if you mean a tabber for each class, this is technically possible already with a query like Equipment IN ("SR-84", "93R", "Dagger") etc ..

But sorting items within one table itself would require a new attribute

[minor finch]

I tried keeping the number of tabbers limited so people wouldn't need to jump between them a lot. I did consider separating weapons, gadgets, and specs though.

Personally I don't think separating per-class is necessary, but I'm open to it.

Feel free to update the template to try things out

[sleek solstice]

I was bound to run into a little issue like that hahaha, fixed, thanks for the help

[sleek solstice]

Fair enough, my worry was that the skin list would get really long really quick, so just even with the VOLPE page which doesn't have too many skins, it got pretty long

[minor finch]

Yeah I see what you mean looking at the volpe list

Separating weapons, gadgets, and specs will help. If they still get too long we could try per-class as well.

While the former is possible without new attributes, I'll still add the following:

• IsWeapon
• IsGadget
• IsSpecialization
• IsHeavy
• IsMedium
• IsLight

there's a chance Page Forms will let us auto-fill these based on what equipment name is entered

Heads up I'm going to recreate the Cargo table now

[polar flicker]

So what does this mean?

[minor finch]

It drops all rows then re-adds everything. Needs to be done after editing the attributes list.

[polar flicker]

Ah okay

[sleek solstice]

VOLPE table is ready to put onto the main page

[minor finch]

I forgot they literally are with tablets in S9

[polar flicker]

I wish they didn't keep the tablets for stuff like jump pad and chuck though and instead made your contestant actually throw them down

I'm willing to bet the tablets are gonna be in the same menu as the signature sticker too

[minor finch]

I'm thinking tablet skins can be IsEquipmentSkin=1 and Equipment=Tablet, and tablet screens can just be Type=SCREEN

[polar flicker]

This just made me realise that this change is probably why they accidentally got rid of that cool effect on the screen of reshaper and i think demat too

[violet lance]

maybe type MULTI-DEVICE, like in the image

[polar flicker]

hmm as much as that makes more sense i think tablet is easier to remember

[minor finch]

I think "Multi-Device" is just a classifier for anything that works with multiple equipment, so charms, stickers, and tablet

not really its own type

we'll see in the S9 preview

[violet lance]

I think the Multi-Device is the tablet.
Skins are skins for the tablet.
Charms/stickers are charms/stickers placed on the tablet.
Screen is the screen of the tablet

[polar flicker]

I agree

[violet lance]

do we know at what time it starts?

[polar flicker]

Yippie!

[sleek solstice]

"This just in! THE FINALS has removed all cosmetics."

[minor finch]

yeah you're right

[sleek solstice]

UBP is sponsored by OSPUZE

[sleek solstice]

Bonus pages are OSPUZE and VOLPE

[ionic heath]

yeah it seems bonus pages will be seasonal sponsors from now on

[minor finch]

clean icons

[ionic heath]

i will die adding flag bundles before they're gone

[sleek solstice]

So you can customize the 'case' and the screen itself? interesting

[minor finch]

how the rewards store works

[ionic heath]

it still rewards MBs

so you can spend reward coins when the new season starts?

[sleek solstice]

Hold up this is huge, you get a coin depending on what rank you're currently on? Does that mean you also get diamond coins from progressing on WT?

[sleek solstice]

I mean I bet that has to be the case since all skins are technically fair play to get now right?

[ionic heath]

i heard there's no more ranked rewards
only for rubies?

[minor finch]

I can't check how ranked progression works because ranked isn't in the preview build

[sleek solstice]

I bet you get coins for playing ranked, and you get coins for WT, so you get up to two diamond coins by playing both modes

[minor finch]

new mode info screen

[sleek solstice]

the point break objective is so fat and chubby I love it 😭

[minor finch]

Oscar just confirmed that variants of past ranked rewards will be available. So diamond AKM and Sledgehammer but slightly different appearances.

[heady marsh]

are you uploading them or do you need me to crop them for you?

[minor finch]

more clean icons

I'm not uploading them right now, just using the preview build multibucks to buy everything and save their icons without the multibucks overlay

[sleek solstice]

"Embark hate him for this one simple trick!"

[minor finch]

Embark's profit margin relies on wiki contributors buying cosmetics for the icons

[ionic heath]

at least 90% of their income

[heady marsh]

is that the response to my message or not sry i did not understand

[minor finch]

I'm not uploading them because we don't have all their names yet (preview event has ended). But we could start cropping them.

[heady marsh]

yeah i meant that, i can start cropping them and give them to you

[polar flicker]

New volpe slogan: "Fight. Fall. Rise."

[heady marsh]

I was tiling the images for exporting them in batch when i found out that the last column in bundles are 1px extra on the side (image 1 is 170x171 ignoring the rarity bar, and the second one is 171x171) idk if it's an issue with the aspect ratio of @minor finch's monitor or game ui issue)

[minor finch]

I think it's just like that in-game, the extra pixel makes no real difference for us tho

[heady marsh]

that makes tiling more complicated as i manually have to stretch and select all images to fit

[minor finch]

Templates like CosmeticCard automatically conform icons to a certain aspect ratio. For us it's best to just get every pixel accurately and let the wiki itself handle the rest.