#📂┇the-finals-wiki
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and back to normal
all colours being in a single file for the citizen skin
useful af
as in the "Main page"? or the table header?
the "main page" thing yeah
can we pin the "brand colours" post ?
it's annoying trying to find the image file in my downloads everytime
well that changed all the headings to yellow but that should give you an idea
I dont see nothin
you may need to ctrl + f5 a couple of times
yeah.. tis not bad
kinda fits the aestethic because the gun in thepicture has a similar design
Me like
can we make the lines in the table slightly lighter? and probably all the text a shade or so too
both on the top and the regular text
just by a shade or so
I feel its slightly too contrast poor
Not sure if you guys check the EE channel, so I'll post it here, since I guess it's a good bit of info for the wiki:
"...6 Embarkers on the 6th floor for 6 months..." That's how THE FINALS started (Or "Project Discovery", back then)
It was mentioned by Rob on the press event, before the beta release
@lone monolith I guess that's for the EE section then, or we need a more.. elaborate bit so we can add it to the main page
(It wasn't an EE thing, but it might have become relevant to the EE now, that's why we shared it)
im scared of the ee channel
i looked in there once and had nightmares
done, the table text changes all the text colours however we can sort that at a later date probably
same
"That's how THE FINALS started (Or "Project Discovery", back then)" that part was just me giving context. And I'm not sure if the quote is exact, I don't remember exactly how he said it, but the numbers match 😛
(You can leave it like that, I just want to make sure you know the whole thing behind that)
We'll leave it since well, we don't know exactly what he said and I don't think anyone is gonna notice 
Haha oh this was the 666 clue xD
the darkmode and such is looking great for a mockup
we'll definitely get there soon, and it'll feel more like RTF
It's using the star citizen skin right?
Actually it was something Tim mentioned, that connected to other things, and reminded me of that 😂
eggmail or an actual ticket on the embark website?
Eggmail
i don't check it ever since every time i got in there were 100+ msgs 
will do some point today

sent a ticket @lone monolith
I saw. Thank you 
it's easy when people collaborate with an open mind and communicate effectively
☕
the first ever finals diamond players should be saved on the wiki 😳
why though
?
For reference of people that had a ton of free time to grind over the 2 days it was unlocked. Obviously.
That way we know who was SERIOUS about it. Clearly the best of the best gamers.
yeah no
we're not going to do that
they are already getting more than planned and there is the leaderboard website already
gawd damn, thought it was impossible
by the way the current wiki is looking so great!
you guys are doing awesome
just wanted to say that
If the hunt ever gets too dull, I'd be happy to chip in, hehe
I looked up how many players that reached 5000 fp and that player was 10 off.
Damn
oh damn thats painful
Dusty be cleaning the wiki up
I’m assuming the RPG cleaning was my joking notes because I didn’t get to writing the serious bit.
@golden laurel sorry 😦
Wait.. you left the Light’s best friend bit in 😂
yeah, the ones that got taken out were "God doesn't exist.
I thought this is my house."
100% xD
I didn’t mean to give Dusty more work (rather than less)
I kinda feel bad because nearly all of the fixes were my jokes
he removed my Counter strike quote from the fire grenade 😦
also completely makes sense
I have re-written the description for it now though 
The goo and flashbang ones were with the ok of the people I mentioned to be clear
Can someone rephrase the last sentence of the Healing beam maybe
I am in bed and my phone won’t let me
In the SnW
Maybe remove it all together
I've removed it for now
As suggesting division is probably also not great.
And idk where I did the thanos reference but maybe remove that too haha
ah the defib one
Yeah
I really don’t want to be a nuisance to Dusty 😦 I’d rather be remembered for the good copy rather than the jokes
I'm sure it wasn't much of a nuisance for Dusty
she was probably just going through most pages and checking them out while laughing
and being like "probably shouldn't have that actually
"
Maybe but we are also trying to defend being backed by embark
The LH1 joke was totally legit imho
I haven't really done much today in terms of wiki, I might have a look at a few gadgets tonight before sleeping
Haha man I think we moved mountains already
Can’t wait for the themes
We’re over halfway there
yeah, a nice dark theme would be nice to work on most the day
I've sent an eggmail saying can we get this theme and also upgrade to 1.39
Theres just a ton of gadgets
and some reasons why we (Kyne or CMs) could really use SFTP access
I mean it can also be someone who just has extensive wiki knowledge.
Whatever moves us the fastest
yeah, just anyone who is trusted enough with SFTP would be good
just allows us to make on the fly changes to themes and also add extensions when needed
so many gadgets
Yeah..
You only notice how little variety you have when you see how few gadgets you can actually describe reliably
I will do the RPG and frag grenade and probably the jump pads
I have seen enough of those to write something proper
I'll tackle glitch grenade at some point tonight
I think they use https://mywikis.eu/ as a hosting service. Idk what the functionalities they offer, but maybe they have like one-click upgrading so it isn't much hassle for them to do it 
as long as it doesn't delete our image folder and database while upgrading, all is good 
well if it is running on mywikis, we aint getting an update to 1.39 by the looks of it
😢
so you probably stumbled upon this? https://helpcenter.mywikis.wiki/wiki/MediaWiki_1.39_upgrade
yeah
it kinda seems like a rip-off tbf
Top class, customized, unlimited wiki hosting for just $8.33/month.
pay 5 euros extra month to get Enhanced Search (CirrusSearch), Visual Editor and Template Import Services
Enhanced Search (CirrusSearch) is a free extension
Visual Editor, comes with mediawiki
Template import services, comes with mediawiki xD
waitt it says "custom extensions", so i guess the extensions we have right now are not custom, and they refer to custom as in own developed extensions? idk
might be still eligible? we gotta have to ask Dusty I guess?
we'll see what they say once they get notified of my eggmail
considering that asks about upgrading to 1.39
oh right, didn't know
1.35 works fine tbf, just want 1.39 for some other extensions that only work on 1.39 but aren't like "omg we need it"
and for the updated version of the citizen skin

started on https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Glitch_Grenade, gonna finish it tomorrow
I decided to have at a look at mywikis, you can't even change the LocalSettings without having to contact their support and you can't even edit like files inside a skin as there is no file browser/editor, so the idea of us using the citizen skin and editing it quickly would not happen as embark would need to contact mywikis support.
We can make it work though by just editing CSS through mediawiki and hoping it will override correctly
Is that the case now?
well by the looks of it, the wiki is possibly hosted on mywikis
Oh
rip
yeah, the whole thing is basically just "contact our support" to do anything like install custom extensions and skins and change settings
Morning
if you check the site html you'll see that the images are hosted on some mywikis.eu server
ah 
i haven't tried it even once lol
anyone got experience with the goo gun?
no
yeah
I hereby dedicate you to create the page for Goo Gun 

you'll beee fine
sure, but not today. need to leave in two hours. but tomorrow 
no problem 🙂
i also got at least one clip building a wall, i think i have to mute it though
any kind of clip is a good clip
👍
We can use that to cook NamaTama
Pls no cooking
We are RAWWW
Infinite protein though
I was actually disappointed to learn an average egg has less than 5 grams of protein
chickens: am i a joke to you?
Solution.. bigger eggs
We need a “Embark’s obsession with eggs” section ngl
I haven’t found any egg references in the Arc raiders stuff yet but not questioning it
i am
Is this a dinosaur egg?
ostrich
No ostrich emoji 😦
Questioning it or you found egg references?
questioning
Who knows innit
@heavy gale how you gonna say it can burn the gas clouds and not the foam
oh yeah, kinda forgot about that

I wish we had more of these pictures.. this one was epic
same
Smoke grenades can be used to get rid of the incendiary grenade flames, right?
Yes
Yeah, smoke grenades extinguish fire
Csgo type
I looked at that but I just wanted to double check as it may have something different when it comes to not wild fires
don't put references to other games though haha
I know, learnt my lesson on that already 
Bruh
what's up peeps, I was thinking about if it wouldn't be better to change the current order of the Loadout? On the picture I have embedded (or here https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Main_Page#Loadout) you can see the current order. I was thinking about putting it like this:
Builds, Specializations, Weapons, Gadgets.
Imo this would be more "in-order", what do yall think?
wonderful
i will also put a few sentences on the https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Builds page describing that each class has different weapons, specializations and gadgets (although some may overlap with other classes) AND link them, so the build page may lead into weapons etc
anyone knows how many contestants you could create (max)?
i mean have
I think 6 is the max, unless additional slots are somehow added after you fill those initial ones
thank you :). let's see if someone else can confirm
It's 6, but I don't know if 6 is the initital or if you get more after you make 6
Yeah, becauae I only created 5, so I don't know if you get another tab or something after that
i think more than 6 would be pretty crazy already, so i'd guess no? but i think i'm gonna leave that out for now
You can add it, and we can always edit it in the future
yeah no need to speedrun wiki
It's good to have that info. If it is correct, is good. And if it's not, it's still good because someone will fix it, but the info will be there
Just leave out the limit for now
You can say that "...initially there are 6 slots...". Which is correct, and leaves room for fixes
Or just say that
yeah naw i don't say anything I got a good sentence in my head i think, it would fuck everything up 
"Initially there are 6 contestant slots. These can be whatever build you want"
RPG is short for Rocket Propelled Grenade. The RPG Launcher is a Heavy build exclusive weapon that can be used to destroy the environment or pesky lights nosing around like its nobody's business.
Rpg is written
Jokes on you, I'm trying to get the finals wiki any % Speedrun
son of a biatch, the gadgets page doesn't have "Smoke Grenade" 
the gadgets list just keeps growing and growing
I hate the rpg...I use light 😂
You guys think we are gonna get 1 billion ospuze for working on the wiki
I'm okay, you can have mine.. I DONT DRINK ENERGY DRINKS D;<
Plus sponsor
Disappointed
are we sure the Frag is all classes?
we don't have overlapping specializations nor weapons between the builds right? they are all unique, only gadgets may be distributed in different builds correct?
yeah, all unique for specializations
Ok, so heavys have
can't find the medium/light ones though
I used it on medium before
Jump Pado
ok good stuff, i will use the nade as an all-class example and one more which can be used by only 2 builds. i think mine could be also used by the medium player? was it also incendiary mines? i'm not sure though
Also I changed https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Incendiary_Grenade a tad
The incendiary grenade is a type of tactical grenade that is used to set an area on fire which inflicts damage to players if they are in the affected area. In addition, the incendiary grenade can be effective against gas clouds and goo as it ignites and dissipates them quickly.
The incendiary grenade can be extinguished by someone throwing a Smo...
oh yeah the jump pad
the one thing I haven't used but seen so much people use in derpy ways I cannot ignore it

I also added a sentence to the guardian turret
because it is weak against all the dedicated melee weapons I wrote that before the dagger bit
could medium use mines?
They could?
no incendiary mines right?
For the gadgets, would a list work better than a table? 🤔
There's no shot I mained heavy and didn't know they could use mines
So you have each gadget, and then specify which class has it
(right next to it)
yeah medium just has way better gadgets than a mine so i guess no one even thought about it xd, i wasn't sure
I used it all the time.. :c
it's just in table format for ease of use and sight for us for now
styling will come at a later date
well, formatting
:( i always played zip-line and jump-pad, but mostly played heavy with full explosive set up :D
make sure you proofread my jump pad now then. https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Jump_Pad
The jump pad is a Medium build exclusive gadget with a utility focus. it can be used to create new opportunities to move across the arenas. A well-placed jump pad or two can be used to create traps or block entrances by placing them vertically or in opposing directions. A player would get pushed between the two pads which would immobilize them a...
"also fucks over the people who break all entrances to the suspended structures"
add that.. but without fuck in it
https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Night_Vision someone do this one.. I haven't played it at all
xxx
that will kill two birds with one stone
I'd be surprised if anyone actually used Night Vision 
i used it just to try it out
it was a mistake
I did it just blinds you if anyone uses incendiary grenades
Don't even let you see people through walls
Like there heat signature
ok to order this mess I'm gonna make a list.. just respond with the number if you are working on it @lone monolith pin my nexxt message plox
btw i have screenshots of each of the Gadget lists in case you need the reference
ohhh yessssssss
give this man a cookie or something
btw i just realised a couple days ago that you are the one who made some of these "news" videos, good stuff 👍
Gadgets that still need to be done:
1️⃣ Thermal Vision
2️⃣ Proximity Sensor
3️⃣ Stun Gun
4️⃣ Gas Mine
5️⃣ Glitch Trap
6️⃣ Tracking Dart
7️⃣ Sonar Grenade
8️⃣ Incendiary Mine
9️⃣ Barricade
Specialization that has to be done:
👀 Recon Senses
Please react on this message with the corresponding number of the gadget you want to/will write.
RHB and SPEAR are our resident Embark tubers
keeping the lore archived, at your service 🫡
I can do incendiary mines later
alright, i just added the few sentences to https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Builds
Yeah I just saw that sorry
I'm very tired lmao
thats okay, just so nobody does double the work
smoke grenade is mostly done https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Smoke_Grenade
The Smoke Grenade is a type of tatical grenade that creates a cloud of smoke upon detonation. The smoke provides visual cover for players to move around or change positions without being seen by enemies. A well placed smoke grenade can obsucure the vision of the opponenets which can make it more difficult for them to attack you at range
looks good
you claimed the gas mine now, is that correct? xD
I'll work on 5 and 3 at some point
lmfao
5 is basically just glitch grenade (which I still ned to complete) but mine version
don't forget to do the Goo Gun @stiff dove 😉
Yeah I changed my mind
cool
Lmao
yes yes tomorrow 
^i love this gif btw xd
once we get the citizen theme, it's gonna seem like we wrote A LOT more
considering the width is like 50% 
hahahaha yeah i sometimes make the window smaller to feel less bad when i haven't written much 

you're doing your part which is all we need
also maybe in the future, we should add like an update history type thing for gadgets that get changed/buffed/nerfed in an update
so each gadget would have it's section of "patch something: {gadget_name} nerfed radius 25%"
No matter how much we work on the wiki we are still at the mercy of embark
And our jobs will truly never be over
We need base stats first then.
ok finished https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Zipline
The zipline is a medium build exclusive gadget focused on movement. It can be deployed by simply aiming and placing the end of the line. it will automatically spawn a starting point at the feet of the user. Everyone can use the zipline after it got placed, including enemies.
we still need someone to write Thermal vision, Proximinity sensor, Tracking dart, Sonar grenade, incendiary mine and the Barricade.
also adding Recon Senses!
Weapons that need to be completely written still:
1️⃣ Pump-Action GL (https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Pump-Action_GL)
2️⃣ Riot Shield (https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Riot_Shield)
3️⃣ SA1216 Shotgun (https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/SA1216)
4️⃣ M32 GL (https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/M32_GL)
Weapons that need Overviews PART I:
5️⃣ V9S (https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/V9S)
6️⃣ LH1 (https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/LH1)
7️⃣ Sniper rifle (https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/.30-06_Sniper)
8️⃣ Dagger (https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Assassin's_Dagger)
9️⃣ Sword (https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Sword)
0️⃣ Repeater (https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Repeater)
Please react on this message with the corresponding number of the weapon you want to/will write.
PLease pin this one too
will first get these done and then continue with new things ;D
i think the riot shield one is perfect
when you shot the mines i cant remember did they just break or did they detonate
detonate
but an explosive mine is a lil weird
a singular mine doesnt do damage but two have the same effect as a C4 charge
okay so if you shot at a gas mine it would just release the gas?
I think so yes
https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Gas_Mine how we feeling about this
The Gas Mine is a type of land mine that is exclusive to medium builds, When stepped on it will engulf your character in a cloud of toxic gas making you take damage, Great for putting on choke points and entrances to keep people away
i changed it to "Great for putting on choke points and entrances to keep other teams away from your Cashout."
needed to do some spelling changes
personally I think Great implies opinion but I'm sure it is great if you say so
Oh I joined into a random game to annoy the players
I just throw sticks and stones and make weirdn oises over the walkietalkie
evil
don't forget these twoooo the top 4 are completely without info D:
just sexy table
Anyone remember how many seconds the stun gun electrifies the target?
i have some clips with it but i eliminated the players before the stun was depleted 
i think it lasts at least 7s
maybe 5s
I've added these lines for now, I'll probably add some more detail tomorrow https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Stun_Gun
The Stun Gun is a non-lethal gadget exclusive to light builds. It is used to deliver an electric shock that slows down the opponent and prevents them from firing their weapon or using their gadgets for a short period of time.
I'll check my practice range clips
Maybe one of them has me stunning the moving dummy
It was that long? I think I got stunned once and it was like 3s
But honestly hard to pinpoint as I've only been stunned once like a week in
@vagrant compass would it be possible to organise a dedicated meeting where we can get statistics on weapon damage etc? With one or two devs who have the info at the ready? Or maybe that we prepare an excel sheet with all the info we want and they fill it out for us to process onto the wiki? I’m just thinking efficiency, accuracy and completeness
Will pass this idea on! 🙏
Thanks!
Now that is a great idea
Looks like this might not be possible atm since things will probably go through many iterations until release. But it's something that might be possible post-release when things will be more static and it'd be easier to keep it all up to date
I feel like the numbers from the Beta are already different so-
nvm just read nate's message 🤦
i don’t remember, just guessing 
I'll just leave it at "short period of time" for now
I can ask about some specific stats from the Beta, but I'm not sure if it'll be productive to add info you're likely to have to replace later
Well we are pretty close to filling out most words I think
There is also a lot that we don’t know yet.
description for recon senses, mostly: https://discordapp.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1009830578545246213/1093128116387467274
and the goo gun ain't too hard either
yeah, hopefully @stiff dove will fill it out today 😉
wtf it's already 1pm 👀
👀
sir its 4 am
sir your opinion is wrong! 
Recon senses is a medium build specialization. It is a sensory enhancement that highlights enemies in a faint red color, allowing you to see them through structures, foliage, and smoke. The highlight effect weakens as distance increases.
would say 'optical' enhancement personally
def optical
changed it, looked better
guys i can smell them hes past this wall, blast em

how OP would it be if your teammates could also see what you sense
writing pages for stuff I have never used is challenging at times
bring it up to par with the healing gun 
bro thats me everytime i write a page i dont remember shit from the beta lmao
yeah, it do be like that times
i think i might change " Great for putting on choke points and entrances to keep other teams away from your Cashout." to "ideal for putting on choke points and entrances to keep other teams away from your Cashout."
this is for the gas mines
sounds good
now it's just a few more gadgets to go
added a strengths + weaknesses bit for the glitch grenade https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Glitch_Grenade
The Glitch Grenade is an exclusive gadget for the Light Build. It disrupts opponents' screen and disables their ability to use gadgets/specializations. Additionally, it can disable any utility that has been thrown down by opponents, such as the Guardian Turret.
gonna chop that up a bit
do we know if the Glitch Grenade disables mines?
it does however whenever I tried it on multiple mines
it seemed to only disable 1
or my aim was just bad and that one mine was the only one in the radius
@heavy gale https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Glitch_Grenade
The Glitch Grenade is an exclusive gadget for the Light Build. It disrupts opponents' screen and disables their ability to use gadgets/specializations. Additionally, it can disable any utility that has been thrown down by opponents, such as the Guardian Turret.
done
also I don't quite get the naming
yeah, looks like that M11 page was made November 2022
which is when the gun was the Model/Mac 10 (I can't remember from the alpha)
thank you 
What
what
What
guess the wiki's been a thing for a while however only recently announced
¯_(ツ)_/¯
well yeah
should we change it?
100% yeah
They probably went oh guys let make a wiki then realized they it would take to much time
so it's supposed to be M11 right
And now using us
yep
(or they waited for the beta lol)
it's hard to make a wiki on a 2-day beta for which you have no pictures or video of
especially starting weeks/months after it was over
I like my idea better 🤓
same
🧠
be sure to confront them about it later
hehe

I'm to scared
Glitch trap is just gonna use the same details as Glitch Grenade just with a bit on "they gotta step on it for it to trigger"
Also, does the glitch trap work the same way as like the Gas Mine where if you shoot it, it will trigger instead of just being destroyed ?
yes
just like the actual mine
the usage is very different
true
my experience with shooting explosive mines is it either did completely nothing or it did a tiny explosion
My experience with explosive is it never go boom
unlike a certain duck...
Duck duck boom
did a quick version of the glitch trap https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Glitch_Trap (will add more in a bit, need a break though)
I'm assuming they work in the same way as most mines and takes a few seconds to become armed
should we add a 'tactics' subheading here too
(strengths/weaknesses)
the screenshot for snow monaco is gone 
Rip snow
added strengths & weaknesses to glitch trap
Pog
I'll work on the sonar grenade in a bit
fun fact the dagger could multi kill if u were close enough to each other
👀
it happened slappy and i when we were both ~10hp and we got knifed at the same time cuz we were so close to each other
hmm, guess it could happen if for some reason the hitboxes were overlapping
I understand, I guess its just so we don't have to put inaccurate stats down that might lead to confusion, I guess we can also leave the stats open on our infoboxes for now!
that doesn't sound like a very likely scenario (too rare to note down I mean) though and probably will be patched haha
do we know if the M11 is "Model 11"?
I've changed all the M10 to M11 in https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/M11, however also kept the Mac-10 parts considering it is a MAC-10 but I guess we probably shouldn't mention it on an "official" wiki considering licence laws
uhu.. probably something to keep in mind
We use the names
It only gets into legal area when using the gun for profit cuz I think of copy right
Idk I'm not a gun expert
The MAC-11 (Military Armament Corporation Model 11) is a machine pistol developed by American firearm designer Gordon Ingram at the Military Armament Corporation (MAC) during the 1970s in Powder Springs, Georgia, United States. The weapon is a sub-compact version of the Model 10 (MAC-10), and is chambered to fire the smaller .380 ACP round.This ...
MAC11 >:)
well technically also model 11
heh, did not think a mac 11 was a real thing
i'm almost finished with da goo gun 
now it raises the question ,is the M11 based on the Mac-10 or Mac-11 
considering it was also the M10 in the past
soo. i got an example clip (10s) for the goo gun. it's almost clean audio besides my mate saying "nothing coming from right" in german. should i rather mute the whole audio or just let it be? what do yall think?
How are you povich
I'm.. tipsy 😄
the best way
What did you drink
I went through and did a general grammar sweep on the Builds page
Can you see if you can find a way to do colums
probably need to do a table again
It would be really nice to have 3 columns, one for Weapons, Specializations, and Gadgets
Because I hate using tables for literally everything lol
Kinda wish we could make the table invisible
Luke is about to pop up with a plugin probably

Damn
trying to think of something though
how bout something like the gadgets table
ignore the row highlighting
it is a table but a modified table
oh one second, need to change the default skin for you guys too
ok, now I have changed the default skin for everyone on that
now you should be able to see the "columned table" @lone monolith
after a few ctrl + f5s
it ain't much, but it's honest work https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Goo_Gun
The Goo Gun is Specialization for the heavy build which shoots blobs of Goo. It has a maximum capacity of 14 Goo blobs before it needs to be reloaded. Once the shot Goo blob touches a surface, it sticks to it and enlargens enormously, making it useful at creating cover and obstacles.
if you want to link stuff with different names then you do like [[Builds|heavy build]] [[Guardian Turret|Turret]]
looking good though 🙂
wouldn't call it a fuck up
oR
yeah that's how i used until now but i guess i clicked something wrong
I LIKE EDITING IN SOURCE
I'll fix it @stiff dove
Goodjob toast
thx :)
*pls don't add more embark *
we might as well at some point
Not me, I hate writing 
I'll make it real quick on the main page os we cna at least link stuff
I'm dyslexic
its cashout mode right?
Yes
ok cool
added it to the main page
since it'll likely be expanded rapidly
we need a graphic for it
who can I bother for that? 😮
@lapis kindle
maybe something similar to this but idk.. yellow or red background..
we could probably do the same for the maps btw
so you have black for loadout, red for.. gamemodes and red for maps
or whatever
its early days who cares
Yellow for gamemodes
sure
red for maps, grey for loadout stuff
considering the vault box and cashout box is yellow(ish)
yeah but thats only one gamemode 😉
Damn we color coating now
well I mean
it would look cool
and distinctive
its only for the main page of course
when y’all decide, i’ll change them
we could also work in doutones.. so leave the text and all the same but only have one color + the grey/black
man i wish I had photoshop on this so I could just show it
can always get a free trial from adobe probably
oh no I have a loicense
A what
ah
i think i know what you mean
i’m not at home today so 
I mean its not hard.. you basically just grayscale the image and then put a layer over it and use the .. uhh
overlay I think.. no wait if you want the Finals black you need to set it up in duotone
because you say.. white is x and black is [the finals black values]
nvm I'll shut up :x
Povich cooking rn
nah nah, keep going, I'm interested in the progress
anyway, i would keep graphics clean. but seeing how this is gonna be a back and forth eventually, i’m probably gonna share the PSD so it’s easier for you guys to decide 
I mean its not a lot of work
just wait until we get the Citizen skin, gonna have to be a lot more design decisions there too
Its experimenting
yeah sure
true true
I don't want to do the graphics myself because I will get sucked in and I'll never be happy... even if it looks good >.<
that's why you got us for ending thoughts
by the way in the future I see there being pages for each of the hazards also
Fire, Glitch, Electricity, Goo, Gas, Smoke, etc.
anything which has its own mechanics and interactions
We are trying to keep a 2 click rule, so it would need to be either a separate icon on the main page or we need to rename something to be slightly broader.
separate icon is what I envisioned
I guess just having a "hazards" header with icons yes
also what I had in mind
Is this live now? Don't see it
Don't forget the inevitable namatama page
why 2 clicks if I may ask?
one sec, got some code that you'll need to put in https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/MediaWiki:Vector.css
because you don't want info to be hidden
and having more than 2 clicks generally implies its hidden.
I think 2 clicks should just be a general suggestion not a hard limit
I think it should be a hard limit for the time being
especially once it gets to rarer-used things
but yeah it works as a hard limit
Environmental Hazards are a fair bit less important to be easily seen than maps, weapons, gadgets.
that depends
well they are a core mechanic I think
border: none;
background-color: transparent;
text-align: left;
}
.wikitable-columns {
overflow-x: auto;
max-width: 100%;
}
.wikitable-columns tr > td {
border-right: 1px solid #ddd;
}
.wikitable-columns tr > th {
/*background-color: #d21f3c;*/
color: #1D1A20;
border-right: 1px solid #ddd;
}
.wikitable-columns th, .wikitable-columns td {
padding: 0.75rem !important;
}``` https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/MediaWiki:Vector.css and then it's just general syntax for wikitable however doing class="wikitable wikitable-columns" instead of just "wikitable"
if you're thinking about reasons people go to a wiki, right?
they wanna find out about a thing, how it works
I feel like things like Maps for example
Maybe bundle the hazards with the random effects like low gravity
Will we need to add a div thing to the tables for it to show up?
Oh
nvm
Can't read 
nope, just something like this will do {| class="wikitable wikitable-columns" |}
maybve make a header called conditions?
mechanics?
weather, hazards, modifiers
you can get plenty in under mechanics
yeah thats possible too
whether that be elevators, raised barriers, cannons, inbuilt ziplines/jumppads, map hazards, and then all the actual hazards + goo
'Mechanics' does contain them all
that, or 'Gameplay' (which is kinda vaguer)
btw to clarify.. the 2 click means.. any information can be found within two clicks in at least one direct way.. you can obviously go from mainpage to map to fire to incendiary grenade
but you should also be able to go from mainpage to any hazard within 2 clicks
very true
how I use wikis is really straight through the search (personally)
Also the table css will only work in the Vector skin which is default for everyone atm, when we move to Citizen, probably need to change the code and move it to like Citizen.css @lone monolith
so like a thing I need to know the weakness of, for example, just type it in

I understand, how i see it.. we already know the game, but someone who doesn't know anything doesnt know what to search for
going through links should really only be if you don't know what it's called 🤣
or what to search for
for sure
ok cool we're in consensus.. I can sleep now 😉
honestly there might even be mechanics that players don't even know about
gooood night 😄
night bud
priority should be helpfulness 👍
I mean half the poeple didnt know the cannons worked
exactly
we want a cannons page
but just general knowledge things
yknow, things players don't actually know straight up
this is why the hazards pages I think are useful
it's useful to know that smoke counters fire, or that goo blocks Turrets (hopefully APS too next?) or that glitch counters mines, or that gas can be ignited and more
it's one of those things where we could have an eggcademy page with the eggcademy videos on it
I mean
if we have a 'fire' page we could also put the specific fire one there
or the 'gas' page
yeah, true
We can also talk about how the crane can be commandeered, or how all buttons can be shot, (or how you only need to shoot the button stand for it to activate)
Does anyone have the in game description for the gadgets?
yeah, that shooting of the button stand took me a while to learn that we could do that 
I need it for the Breaching Charge, Proximity Sensor, Stun Gun, and Thermal Vision
i went from wanting the game to be finished so i can play it again to wanting it to be finish for the wiki
I can probably modify the column widths and wrap the text if you want
I would just put a type behind it rather than all the info they’ll get by clicking the links
And most gadgets speak for themselves anyway
V9S - Pistol
Eh we don't have the in game descriptions for them anywhere
also on the terms of ig descriptions
should we add it to the pages of each gadget/weapon/specialization ?
kyne is cooking
Also I can't find shit about the ig description for prox, breach, stun and thermal 
columns look pretty good though
also @lone monolith if you can add ```.wikitable-columns th:last-of-type, .wikitable-columns td:last-of-type {
border-right: none;
}
it'll get rid of the last line on the right of the table
do you have these yet? I have all of them
King
ok, it'll take me a little time - standby
Proximity sensor
Thermal Vision
Breaching Charge
fingers crossed for the stun gun...
The fact that I didn't get a screenshot of the Stun Gun when I was memeing about only using it for 2 weeks straight is a failure on my part
Stun Gun, but no close up of it in hand. I also had to listen to @keen kernel trying to pronounce "osthyvel" while finding it 
legend
Ost-Heave-all, I believe is correct - just don't apply a kiwi accent to it like I do 
(New Zealanders are commonly known as kiwis in case anyone is wondering about the fruit haha)
and there's me looking at a monitor while speaking the words trying to see if it sounds right 
I did that a lot before recording myself saying it hahaha
*hopes that Embark don't make an actual Iceland map with local names
It's the O'shovel
Must be Irish or something
Me trying to pronounce Osthyvel:
https://youtube.com/shorts/gbRd_O07kmQ?feature=share

you've saved us


I still think the charts with all this info is too wide
Maybe condense it so it looks more like mobile
clocker
I've added the heavy build table
I can edit the widths and set like a max width for the columns which will just wrap the text
Yeah.. probably best
Its a lot of info, maybe we should consider putting the gadgets in a separate table with 2 colons
I say I can edit the widths, Kyne can edit the widths 
I was thinking more of adding the IG descriptions to each of the pages for gadgets/weapons/specializations and then we can just have the columns with the names of the gadgets etc.
Yeah that was my og suggestion but I felt like it was to deaf ears so I let it go
we'll do that, be easier and more clean
and yeah, I basically saw your idea yesterday? and stole it
Haha congrats on the Finalist role!!!
thanks 
Oh I’m lvl 25 now 😄
im trying to speedrun to level 15
so i can flex on everyone when the game releases
and that i can spread misinformation
Lol its.. not that special haha.. mostly requires you to put disclaimers in your bio
BAD
good
minor amount of trolling
Now I realize if someone is red/green colorblind they probably can't tell between Finalists and Mods 
oh man
👀 go fix that my Welsh friend
we are gonna do some much trolling
might as well change our colour to cyan
We'll check with a colorblindness simulator, but if someone just doesn't see colors at all it's not possible to make it all work
Discord does have a colorblind mode though I believe
bruh
Hehe whats up
what else needs to be done in the wiki
Mechanics/environment i.e. Hazards, weather, modifiers
Maybe a cosmetics section?
Not to be filled but to be added and structured
{{Quote|text=Short-range, semi-automatic, suppressed pistol.|source=In-game description}} is the syntax for it
Also, left side of the page or shall we chuck it in the middle? https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/V9S
middle probably yeah
shouldn't we remove all stats for the time being? since we don't know the current ones?
the quote is now centred
also removed the stats for now
I think once we have the citizen skin, it will look a lot better in terms of placement
I dunno why
like that, just need to modify it a bit
but I would make the quote Italic
and the source not..
hell we don't need the ingame description as a source I think
its sorta implied
this looks hot btw 
so if we can remove the ingame description part but leave the line below the description it will look HOT
like that ?
also removed the in-game description bit for the quote on https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/V9S
so syntax for quote is literally just {{Quote|text=Short-range, semi-automatic, suppressed pistol.}}
true, need a level 25 reward now 
diamond was 5x the amount of gold
, they would just be keeping a running theme
ok, I have added the quote to every weapon
Luke you’re a good egg
, my first interaction with you wasn’t great but you are doing amazing work ☺️
thats something we'll probably add post-release
sort of a legacy section with patch changes
what happened at first?
What's the syntax to limit width and I'll put it in.
if I am correct, this was our first interaction https://discordapp.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1009830578545246213/1090043071565152307
I'll write something quickly and send it to you in a sec 🙂
that's very brief ngl xD
if you can add "max-width: 35rem;" within the ".wikitable-columns th, .wikitable-columns td " part of Vector.css (https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/MediaWiki:Vector.css)
Alright I'll add that when I get to work
cheers Kyne
I have all of the descriptions now so I'll go back and edit any of the ones we had to speculate on
we have also added the IG descriptions to the weapon pages (will do gadgets + specializations too) @lone monolith
Yeah quite brief
Yeah nothing serious, we were just in the middle of code cracking and the guy helping couldn’t talk in the ee channel and was frustrated and got waved on just as we were getting somewhere. Some things are all about context.
I understood as much.. unfortunately its a bit of a necessary evil to lock some stuff behind ranks
Tbf, all I saw him was complaining about not being able to chat and then being like "whatever, I'm out"
Didn't actually know he was helping with the EE
Oh well, past is past
Yeah alls good
overall people who just joined aren't that enthusiastic about helping out the community.. it takes a little je ne c'est quoi for new people to actually contribute rather than asking for keys xD
I know right that’s why I was afraid to loose them
well I mean.. they also need to understand that
and its not that hard to get enough rep...
@past current if you give some input here you'll get green in no time
this chat is the green maker recently hahaha
Haha
Lots and lots of wiki talk 😂
i definitely have input
yeah Luke did it in record time ngl
ok well Dash go through the wiki, check the weapon descriptions and give us your thoughts...
one sentence..
or half..
at a time
That’s actually insane
hows the wiki going
light mode 😔
we're working on it
yeah
Luke is our chef de theme
and plugin man
i think there should be more description of the maps themselves
like the characteristics of the maps
I'll look into it
for example, monaco is more close combat with the houses/buildings
and for seoul, u need to watch where you're stepping so u dont fall off
this doesnt quite make sense to me ngl
i think that sentence should be re-worded
maybe "sponsored gear is a sign for successful contestants"
well people aren't going to get sponsored is they keep losing
are they not?
I think that's basically word for word from the tutorial

oop
Think we might need to change it to 30
I really think we shouldn't have the extra info on it
would save so much space
but we can do that after everything else is done
like.. review it
luckily we got @past current to review stuff 😉
It wouldn't be saving that much space
im never gonna be able to leave to watch a show am i? 🥹
Now it's just a question on if you want there to be this, taking up the same verticle space but now it's empty lol
top right theres a double space between the 'as' and 'the'
How in gods green earth did you even see that
thats my contribution to the wiki
never
it stands out to me
🥹
Gotta make your account Dash and then you can edit what you see fit 
yeahh naa na yeah na yeah na
i shouldnt be trusted to edit such divine source of information
just dont accidently delete the main page
😓
don't edit anything if you're scared of breaking it haha I am just pulling you in here to say stuff so you get your finalist role while not spamming
Think we're gonna keep the IG descriptions on the builds page for the time being. We don't really save any space by changing it.
So you press the edit sou-
me and Luke obviously tested that theory
Luke take the stage ;3
@past current need more feedback
aaaaa
So been fucking around with our test wiki (yes, it's now ours) http://vps-7a93429a.vps.ovh.net/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page and first shot we have is the big table in the middle and then the little little table at the bottom
good boy
I have increased the padding between columns to fill a bit more space with the non-text version
do i click on "this is a minor edit" 
I mean it saves horizontal space but now it's just a empty space 
however once we put it on the Citizen Skin, it's gonna look a bit too clustered with the IG descriptions for builds
and by simply adding Pistol, SMG and Rifle to the weapon names I think most people have enough info to know what it is
then we get the qoutes on the respective weapons pages etc and boom
another suggestion I want to give is.. maybe add another row to the gadgets
kaboom
sorry i mean column
then you get some extra width and save on the length
KABOOOOOOOMMMM

red
light modeeeeeeeee 😣
itsd red because this isn't the actual wiki
It's Luke's testbuild to see now much we can do with the lay-out and themes
ahhh
there is a dark mode theme which I've just enabled again for you to see
where
ahh
easily fixed




