u guys are doing too much in 200%

[buoyant seal]

i just "tried" to do an arena 200% with tech hunter (btw if u don't belive me i dare you to do it yourself and tell if i'm wrong after) and it too much enemy on top of the elite which seem to have at least 1 to 3 spawn per wave guarenteeded now that wouldn't be a problem if half the arena wasn't filled with enemy to the point where u can't even move let alone do anything so i dare you and i mean this i dare you to try it yoursefl SOLO 200% with tech hunter and come back to this and tell me isn't it too much enemy nerf this it wayy too many enemy for a difficulty level which don't need extra spawn them having more hp but the spawn rate of 100 or 150% would be okay but till that change the 200% diff In ARENA i rather specify in normal it okay cus the maps are big but in arena it not doable

and before anyone come with the skill issue excuse

i've did plenty of 200% run before in arena with no issue

with the new difficulty scalling the arena become too small

change the map or something

[low estuary]

Didn't try arena yet

[buoyant seal]

try it

200% tech hunter

u will see

[low estuary]

later maybe

[uncut trail]

No ive run 200% arena with tech after you get to 15 and put 3 evos in lclick and have a couple items its a breeze

[buoyant seal]

the thing is you have to get there

and i don't wanna have to pray to jesus for rng to not give me useless item

[uncut trail]

I had a run where i got tons of useless items early and it worked like tech is great for arena and you get extra items for free it sounds like a skill issue

[buoyant seal]

ofc u people alway say skill issue

it like the saying i got no arguement

but eh if you don't got any contructive critism please don't talk

[uncut trail]

I play tech hunter a lot and never have issues it just takes a while in the early game just make sure you play close to the enemies so all shells hit and youll be fine.

[buoyant seal]

so do i i alway play him so u ain't gonna teach me how to play him he is my fav character

[uncut trail]

If you are unable to do 200% arena which is easier than 200% normal than something is wrong in how you build him or play him

[buoyant seal]

200% arena easier? what kind of stuff you on?

200% normal is way easier

idk what u on but you got things backward

[uncut trail]

Ive done both and find arena to be much easier

You get way more items than in normal for how much the enemies scale

[buoyant seal]

the key thing between normal and arena is space

and trust me normal is a lot easier than arena that sound like oh idk something you said y'know a "skill issue"

[uncut trail]

You run loops in arena and all the enemies clump?

[buoyant seal]

that what i do

i pretty sure that what everyone do

if you don't then idk what your doing

[uncut trail]

And then you can f and rclick as tech an they all die

[buoyant seal]

we must not be playing the same diff then cus if u tell me that all of them die i will call you a liar some yes but all no

[uncut trail]

Early game your rclick and f kill most enemies or drop them low where a shell or 2 kills?

[buoyant seal]

yeah that sound already more logical

[uncut trail]

I dont mean they just all die i mean most die ans the rest in range drop low

[buoyant seal]

beside i just think they are doing there difficulty the wrong way

instead of upping the spawn they should up their stats and the spawn less

yeah up the spawn it logic

but not that much

there isn't enough space in arena

[uncut trail]

That is only how it is after it loops a lot of games do that just look at ror2

[buoyant seal]

i play ror2

[uncut trail]

Like the enemies just end up being the same enemies late game just like arena

[buoyant seal]

execpt you get much more space for it

[uncut trail]

Where most enemies are rampants and they spawn way too many

Thats just how most games do it

[buoyant seal]

and also u got busted item in ror2 so u can't exactly compare

[uncut trail]

You think you dont get busted in this

[buoyant seal]

i mean u do but it takes a lot longer

in ror2 u can literally become op stage 2

they just need to make the damn arena bigger

[uncut trail]

In my last run i was insanely fast (reflex and a couple crit means giga speed on tech) and one shotting with fire evos on rclick and ult with mutiple charges on like stage 12

Bosses would die instantly much less basic enemies

Just ult once or twice and poof

[buoyant seal]

yeah but it took to get to stage 12

in ror2 u would be already starting to speedrun at that point cus everything would have been dying by stage 6

[uncut trail]

Stage 12 is basically stage 5 in a normal run

I mean wave 12

[buoyant seal]

if we are talking same diff maybe prob not tho

since the thing between normal and arena is that in normal enemy pop inf if u don't clear it

and u also get the shop in between

which if u take your time in stages u can get more item than in arena trust me

[uncut trail]

Yeah but you spend more time which is basically less items?

[buoyant seal]

no not really

let compare one thing

[uncut trail]

Items per minute in arena is more unless your speedrunning normal especially with tech

[buoyant seal]

wave 1 in arena u get 2 to 3 item

in stage 1 of normal u usually get like 4 or 5, 6 if u can find the artifact cache

for the item in arena to be more item u'd need at the very least over wave 10

excluding the shop in normal ofc

[uncut trail]

Yeah and a wave of arena takes 1 min for wave 1 and you get 2 items plus the items after the wave and then wave 2 is what 1.5 mins and you get 3 items plus ending the round and so on

[buoyant seal]

yeah but the thing is the shop stage 1 got like 5 or so item

it faster for sure but you can't say it more item

[uncut trail]

Idk i have a really easy time in arena and bit more difficult time in normal

Still both are easy unless bad rng

[buoyant seal]

that prob because your not organising your built right

bro even with the worst rng u can do normal easier than arena

it happend to me a lot so i know

[uncut trail]

What i want is a forge in arena that resets every wave or couple of waves to get rid of the trash items

[buoyant seal]

even if it show up every 5 wave it fine

but eh idk if they will ever add it

[uncut trail]

I kept getting enhancers on void model when he cant even use them

😭

[buoyant seal]

that sucks tbh

[uncut trail]

Also i want triads in arena

[indigo ledge]

did i just get challenged to do 200% arena

also if that many enemies are spawning in arena then that’s good cause it’s meant to be the hardest difficulty

if you aren’t struggling then what are you doing

@indigo brook @slender seal thoughts

[indigo brook]

Void model is broken on arena bc all enemies are so close to each other you can get them as a whole hoard and just kit them a couple times to max out entropy

[slender seal]

ive done it on bastion, pandora and nidum it wasnt bad but others i havent

[indigo brook]

And you can hit all the enemies with the alt so easily

[slender seal]

i can imagine it being hard tho

the random items

[uncut trail]

Echo is so good in arena

Your totem murders everything

[slender seal]

mb i meant the others

[slender seal]

i see lol

[uncut trail]

You just ramp attack speed and get 2 points in your totem and just stand on your totem and everything dies

[slender seal]

i can imagine getting a really rouph run in arena tho

the random items sometimes work agasint you until you get what you want thru sheer rounds

[uncut trail]

Yeah you NEED to grab all the attack speed you can and maxing your lclick also destroys enemies

[uncut trail]

Yeah thats why i feel there should be a forge

So you can get rid of items

[slender seal]

also mediator psasive is non existent

[uncut trail]

Maybe make it be like every 2 or 5 rounds ore something there needs to be a forge

[slender seal]

ive tried nidum, panodra and bastion till at least stage 26 ish

they were all fine

i have tried mediator till round 18 ish and he also wasnt bad

[uncut trail]

Idk my friend was oneshotting everything as mediator everytime he plays him regardless of good or bad rng even without curse items

[slender seal]

hahahaahaaaa yea mediator is fairly strong

plus you can get alot more attackspeed by sprint cancelling

[uncut trail]

You should try his rclick on the dummies my friend consistently deals 10k dps after stage 2

Idk if its a bug or smth but 10k is a bit much

[slender seal]

hahhaha wow cinsintently is crazy

[uncut trail]

Like he wont even have eminence or superiority

Maybe his rclick is bugged idk

[slender seal]

i mean it is 80% on each hit regardless of what procs it or how weak or strong the attack is

[uncut trail]

It will deal 10k or more to the dummy he doesnt apply it to

[slender seal]

so if you upgrade skill 1 opnce and have some stuff to increase your hits per second on the dummy i could see it defo

[uncut trail]

Like sure it should deal dmg but 10k on round 2 is insane

Also is void model second upgrade in space bugged

I played void and wasnt dealing dmg with 30 stacks and 2 upgrades in space maybe i had bad items idk

[uncut trail]

You should do something about void model being able to get enhancer bc it does nothing for him

[slender seal]

hahahaaa yea lmao

[uncut trail]

Maybe make it add a couple projectiles per enhancer or smth bc rn its useless

Maybe 20% more projectiles per cast or something instead of removing it from the pool of items for him

[slender seal]

or a second pulse of projectiles

[indigo brook]

I'm just a play tester...

[indigo ledge]

bro got told to fix void model😭

[uncut trail]

I was just replying to a message mentioning void idk whos a playtester and whos not i joined the server recently lol

[uncut trail]

Maybe making it so it doesnt consume all of the stacks could be cool as well

[indigo ledge]

hmmmm

in a run with tech hunter 200% arena

haven't gotten a single upgrade into health yet

im chilling on level 4, about to go into level 5

[indigo ledge]

arena is much easier cause the arena is small, enemies can collatoral dmg each other especially sirens killing waves of mobs for you

first time playing tech hunter, made it to wave 4. Looking back i should've gone for the grenade or ultimate upgrade rather than the bleed one (bleed just looked more appealing tbf)

also the fact that i didn't really go into health, you REALLY need health to tank everything coming at you, especially with tarra as the first boss

[uncut trail]

I like going lclick bc then you can get more projectiles for more chance to proc items and then you get pierce which is especially good in arena

[indigo ledge]

yeah but i think at the start where ur dmg could be low it’s better to go into ult or at least dash

for the faster atk speed

[uncut trail]

i typically dont go dash bc i like to grab as much attack speed as possible from lvls

[indigo ledge]

I got so unlucky with those haha

i got atk speed once

the others were all regen, cdr, etc

[uncut trail]

i ran a run recently where i got attack speed every time but like twice till lvl 20

i was perma attacking on echo

[shell creek]

Arena just needs a revamp imo

No interplanetary store is murderous

[indigo ledge]

nah no FORGE tho

[indigo ledge]

it needs a rework, but tech hunter 200% is not that hard tho 😭

my friend is just completely annihilating arena 200%

with tech hunter

one shot an elite

he's cooking

[indigo ledge]

build issue, got to stage 10 killed 6 sirens, clip uploading

https://medal.tv/games/gatekeeper/clips/jKh0yZupjVkUAtNe_?invite=cr-MSx5enMsMTA0NzkwMzEyLA

note the 7 elixs, and the fact i did not once go into health 😭

[indigo brook]

nom nom nom

[uncut trail]

Yeah its not hard at all

[uncut trail]

I love forge abuse i had a hybrid run where i got 20 esscences so perma procing them

And i had 250% attack speed

[indigo ledge]

i love essence

so broken