but which came first, the primals or the 12
#retired-patch-6-3-discussion
final thistle
winged lagoon
final thistle
surely H/Z came first as they are the ones who split the sources
everything after is the "new" people
humble heron
Yeah i mean
Like, meteion wasnt sundered
They only really affected the one planet in the source universe
final thistle
The source/sunder stuff is... honestly confusing
granite nimbus
Certainly not the weirdest god origin story I've ever seen.
My favorite "gods are aliens" origin story is Fate where the Olympian gods are ||megazords from another universe|| and Quetzalcoatl is space bacteria that gained power and sentience after the meteor that killed the dinosaurs crashed into Earth.
Quetzalcoatl would later learn about lucha and become enamored with it, incorporating it into her repertoire to the point that one of her strongest attacks is a tornado piledriver from low orbit.
cerulean sphinx
Is anyone else having a sound bug in PvP sometimes ? The game suddenly muting all combat sounds
granite nimbus
Not me.
final thistle
what else was it, I either watched or played recently
where the beings were actually just aliens
"whoops we ended up here" style
wind bough
Is anyone else having a sound bug in PvP sometimes ? The game suddenly muting al...
Yeah, it’s an issue that’s been happening to people in various content for awhile but with the new PvP mode there have been a lot of new reports. There’s no known fix except rebooting the game
cerulean sphinx
Yeah, it’s an issue that’s been happening to people in various content for awhil...
thanks, I was wondering if it was only on my end
looks like I'm screwed
wind bough
I’ve had it three times since the patch dropped myself
cerulean sphinx
I've also had it three or four times lmao
it's not that frequent but enough to ruin a game I'm currently in
regal lantern
Is the maintenence over?
humble heron
I thinknso
weary monolith
Interesting
wet crown
TFW you're a MCH and finally realize that permanently switching over to your multi-tool nets you far stronger attacks
hollow ice
bigger machine, bigger damage, papa johns?
chilly bluff
Either massive coincidence or they queued simultaneously and got extremely lucky
wind bough
Yeah it’s luck
I’ve matched with friends coincidentally
More chance if you’re queueing simultaneously
Bound to happen occasionally
wet crown
Broke : Queuing at the same time as a friend to be in a team together
Woke : Queueing at the same with as a friend, while picking a job that counters theirs to dominate in the inevitable 1vs1
plush parcel
Me: No friends.
wet crown
megamind.jpeg
crystal arrow
me: all my friends are in crystal rank
wet crown
break them free
plush parcel
I made it to 56 in my server. Now how do I keep up 🙄
wet crown
Keep playing.
plush parcel
I keep facing a guy named Xen Sen. B1tch is rly good and no1 focus him... I can't do much alone. Everyone we focus him we win but 9 times out of 10 no1 does it properly.
pearl tangle
sounds about right 
the dudes over here on aether for top ranking are insane. the best on my dc can 1v5 teams pretty much
i was just lucky to have them on my team lol
dude has so many points though
warped root
1v5?? People are crazy
pearl tangle
yeah, idk how but they mastered rdm lol
plush parcel
No1 will 1v1 as tank
He must be dragon or samurai
And all u gotta do as 1v5 is ult xD
The good players are good at managing their skills as opposed to 1v5. Those are rare occurrence
slim void
I've raided with him before, skilled af blm
warped root
Blm mains unlock a hidden part of the brain that gives them god mode
hasty umbra
Blm mains unlock a hidden part of the brain that gives them god mode
That's not wrong!
bronze brook
https://fxtwitter.com/JoeZieja/status/1516806110941831172 the sequel we needed
pastel flame
I roll a 92 and someone else rolls a 93
On what?
glossy hemlock
fallow breach
So hum... cape westwind has everyone acting like you are at the head of a group of elite adventurer... and you show up like 1v1 me bro
Even shieldbro say guests
Come on squeenix
wheat agate
they didnt mention a new exploration zone nor new deep dungeon because ||theyre going to be in the 13th and meracydia and the next expansion is the new world and we're getting a blue mage rework and the introduction of geomancer and war-chief||
😂
orchid slate
Man, playing CC is soul crushing anymore
I'm still stuck in Silver 3 and I can't get out, I've been in here since CC's release.
radiant badger
So both Nald'Thal and Endsinger are new skeletons, correct?
I feel like the other gods don't have unique ones but instead use modified ones.. could be mistaken.
rain onyx
I'm still stuck in Silver 3 and I can't get out, I've been in here since CC's re...
Bronze 3 hell \o/
Not like I care about the ranked rewards
orchid slate
Oh no, I'm in hell. I'm really bad at PvP so I've been stuck in Silver since CC released.
Hang on, let me get my PvP card
next quarry
Ya
orchid slate
I wonder what we would even have. Were there any clues or hints about new classes prior to their releases in the past?
astral trout
Will they align DC travel the moment ||Y'shtola discovers method to travel to other shards?||
chilly bluff
Nah main story never comes out on an interim patch and we already know that DC travel is coming in 6.18.
mighty eagle
regarding ||Endsinger EX||, what is "KFF"?
dusk dock
Anyone know where we can find Graha after doing the first alliance raid? Is he in the alliance raid area? My current quest is ||Sharing the Wealth|| if it matters.
cosmic radish
How is samurai 6.1? I main this and just come back to the game, notice they have ditched one of the main skills
wind bough
Yeah kaiten is gone, midare and ogi are now guaranteed Crits, and various other potencies have been adjusted to balance this. This is not a nerf to their overall damage but it has still been a contentious change
cosmic radish
Ok dosnt sound too bad then
wet crown
SAM's damage is more consistent now but with a lower potential peak
I don't usually play SAM but from my experience now, it feels like an odd bag. I like some of the changes but dislike others.
For example, I think it was a good move to make Iaijutsu crit baseline but its potency isn't high enough just yet.
While I think Kaiten's removal makes sense, it does come at the cost of Kenki feels superflous.
And the switch from a conal AOE on Goken to a circle felt odd at first but you get used to it.
obtuse trout
I personally don't mind the sam changes tbh 
wet crown
The forums are a giant, mutated cancer cell. If I was a dev, I'd ignore the complains and double down.
How is anyone supposed to get feedback out of that trash heap
SMN - more popular than ever
sMn ReWoRk Is BaD iT sUcKs So MuCh NoW
tropic frigate
Tbh the part that sucks isnt the rework its just that its too easy now
And i still hold the opinion in my heart that casuals no matter how lowered a class is will never make use of it completely
So some things feel like they arent needed to be changed
wet crown
fuck that mentality, being an easy job is not a bad thing
what is bad about the SMN is how tacked on aetherflow is
tropic frigate
People find harder also more fun depending on the person
wet crown
if aetherflow was rewarded by summoning, and even stronger after entering trances, then it'd flow better with the rotation
but we just got it this expansion and this is a point better reserved for 7.0
same for SGE and Addersting
tropic frigate
Addersting feels very much like the same repeat of what healers have like whms using lily in downtine
Not much different
I dunno if they'd ever change it because of this
pulsar current
its great for me to just focus on mechs
tropic frigate
I can do that dealing no dps
pulsar current
skill issue
wet crown
you have one job out of many that is very easy to play
but that seems to be completely unacceptable
pulsar current
🙂
pulsar current
WAR is very easy to play.
isnt wars opti just "crit more lol"
tbf i dont main casters so i just use smn for farming shit
i usually vibe on bard and mch
somber storm
half the tropaios weapons feel like they were from the weapon art contests
wet crown
I'm sure I've seen most of them somewhere before
rain onyx
Idk but I love the BLM one
coarse needle
I miss kaiten
dim sigil
Feels pretty akward without it, and kenki feels kinda pointless now
glossy hemlock
Getting my DNC to 90 tonight
faint sky
I forget is the hildebrand quest in this patch? or an upcoming micro patch?
next quarry
6.15
gaunt star
How's NIN this patch
wet crown
apparently, it's unacceptable
granite nimbus
It feels funky and I'm not sure why they made this change.
But I'm not up in arms about it.
north silo
Does the relic grind for this patch start in 6.2 or 6.3
warped root
I wonder what horrendous grind they have in store for us
chilly bluff
Last time, it was mercifully easy to start and didn’t become a pain until the third and fourth steps. Thinking it’ll be similar this time. And, yeah, should be around 6.25 if last time is any indication
dim sigil
Ew relic better have steps in bojza and euerka
gaunt star
apparently, it's unacceptable
😂 I've always found it too overwhelming to play considering the amount of skills to use
wet crown
the ShB relics started extremely easy with just 1k poetics for each of them
I'm sure they learned their lessons from last time. Don't make content specific weapons easier to obtain outside of it.
final thistle
imagine thinking current summoner is the worst version and not the 3 minute wait until i can dps version we had a year ago
patent hinge
Ew relic better have steps in bojza and euerka
I’m a big fan of Bozja. I keep hearing about Eureka and never checked it out. Where do I start it?
chilly bluff
Rhalgr’s. Quest is called “And we Shall Call it Eureka”
humble heron
Ye thx reze
crystal arrow
. what the fuck
late aurora
if you already have the tokens, why waste more time on the EX
Can’t buy mount yet
manic harbor
why the long wait?
wind bough
Tanks tend to have the worst queue times for alliance raids
And moreover it’s after midnight in Europe
wind bough
Because only three tanks are needed so there’s not a high demand for them in the queue
Meanwhile 6 healers, 15 dps
manic harbor
bruh and i recently became a tank main
dim sigil
Alliance always ques long even day1
rain onyx
Alliance raids are basically the only thing you have bad queues for as a tank
It’s a fair trade off
wheat agate
is there anything scarier than ||naked thancred flashback|| 3.x spoiler
pulsar current
multiple cutscenes will now play
inner ice
is there anything scarier than ||naked thancred flashback|| 3.x spoiler
yeah the fact that the squirrel was in the way
stiff charm
tataru knows what we did in limsa
wet crown
Time to become a summon
Dreadwyrm Trance and Demi-Bahamut become Eternal Darkness Trance and Demi-Zodiark
Firebird Trance and Demi-Phoenix become Divine Light Trance and Demi-Hydaelyn
obtuse trout
but demi shiva
unreal delta
is it just me but like. It almost feels disrespectful to call her hydaelyn
Hydaelyn is not HER it is a creation she didnt want to have to create to save our future
She is Venat, Hydaelyn is her tool
obtuse trout
ehhh
wet crown
You're wrong though.
unreal delta
how so?
unreal delta
Well yes she serves as the core of Hydaelyn
wet crown
It's still her
unreal delta
Yes i know its still her as in the same person
late aurora
“Hey did you find an answer to that question, I Venat, asked you?”
unreal delta
but its not...her as in, like, say her soul. Her soul is not Hydaelyn. Dare say its like Venat piloting a Mech of Aether called Hydaelyn
idk
Just a personal thing I feel like its almost disrespectful to not call her by her name
wet crown
If you want to see it that way...
late aurora
But that is a name of hers
unreal delta
Hydaelyn is the name of the god she inhabits
Its not her
not tryna argue im just
Flow got me in my feelings
I dont want to accept she's gone
obtuse trout
u gotta let go.. 
unreal delta
I can't 
obtuse trout
somber storm
Her -sona
obtuse trout
I
somber storm
Primal-sona
tranquil fable
Lol. The Elidibius thing was funny too. I know light doesn't care about morality, but it's still funny he had heroes from other realms fighting for him.
granite nimbus
Lol. The Elidibius thing was funny too. I know light doesn't care about morality...
Well, we were calling ourselves the Warrior of Darkness, these Warriors of Light from across time and space are trained to destroy darkness. They have enough of their soul summoned to use their powers but not enough to think.
Elidibus: Here lies darkness. Destroy it.
late aurora
“Your brethren have been corrupted by the darkness, please lend me your aid”
gloomy flare
a lot of elidibus' behaviour makes a lot more sense when you discover that he was like
12 the whole time
granite nimbus
No... not quite.
He's a young adult.
So, like 20 by the ancients' standards. The Japanese script uses the term "seinen", meaning that he's not a "shonen" (young boy to teenager) anymore but not quite a grown man.
Emet's narration describes him as painfully earnest and someone who seriously looks up to Azem, calling Azem's perspective "refreshing" and helping them out behind the rest of the Convocation's back despite the risk of being censured for associating with this "renegade".
Pre-Final Days, Elidibus is very much a kind, empathetic person who's supportive of his friends.
And he volunteered to become the Heart of Zodiark to save his people despite the entire Convocation's misgivings about it.
viscid sigil
Very much tracks with mankind's first hero and his final hope
winged lagoon
but is he salvation given form
hollow ice
yo im about to get the ||magi-cat girl scene||
warped root
Froth and foam!!
timid moat
so anyone know when we are getting the streetwear mogstation glam? also is that new dog minion only through botany or can you get it through mining as well?
thorny sleet
sadly no date for the streetwear and the chewy minion is botanist retainer only
chilly bluff
Absolutely no idea when new cash shop items drop. Old seasonal event stuff hits a day before the next year’s version begins, yes. The other stuff, like mounts and costumes and whatever, we can not guess. Not even Yoshida knows since apparently the cash shop department is separate from his own and he has no say with them.
That said it might still happen within this patch cycle since they showed it off during the last live letter.
fluid basalt
why they keep bringing back only the Iroha FFXI event? bring back the Shantotto one as well
lethal bobcat
I remember a story that I heard from my friend. When he finished telling me the story, he thanked me for listening and said muchos.
It means a lot.
placid sail
fluid basalt
it's not really about the minion, it's about the experience
wind bough
Shantotto minion is on mogstation so the event is never coming back
glossy hemlock
it's not really about the minion, it's about the experience
Maybe the real minion was the friend we made along the way
crystal arrow
it's not really about the minion, it's about the experience
then look it up on youtube 
inner ice
have they said anything on the fact that they broke gearset macros
inner ice
they most definitely are
you used to be able to change via the abbreviation
that is no longer possible
you have to use the number
crystal arrow
you didn't answer my question
why would you even want them
when you can just drag them onto a hotbar
inner ice
i don't think the plugin i use to display this pie selector works with that
weary monolith
i wonder if these people who abuse the whm bug will get banned
seriosuly
seriously
inner ice
im not sure why the fact that i want it has any need here
weary monolith
1 million healing in 4 minutes
stiff charm
are you sure it isnt just the plugin being outdated
and what do you mean by abbreviation
inner ice
no because it literally relies on an in game command
stiff charm
im like 90% sure you had to use the number
stiff charm
hm
rain onyx
I think it changed with the new patch changing how gear set names are saved
inner ice
yeah... didn't it used to save the abbr
rain onyx
Where before it was the abbreviation and the ilvl as the name, now it’s the full job name and the ilvl as a separate part no longer in the name
inner ice
that is quite annoying
rain onyx
Looks like it only accepts the number as valid now
No wait
“First letter matching can be used when specifying gear sets by name.
Gear sets will be searched in order from lowest slot number to highest.”
whole shell
why is no one queing the new raid
i've been here for 23 minutes
pain
it's also 2:30 on a sat
where are the people
coral burrow
fierce wing
try agn in 4-5h
brisk quail
1 million healing in 4 minutes
It's not as if WHM isn't the most busted healer in PvP already. /s
stiff charm
i've been here for 23 minutes
are you queuing on tank
if so might be agood idea to switch
tank is always slow for alliance
whole shell
dps
grizzled idol
lusty shadowBOT
unreal delta
man they really made the EW tank role quests the most boring
glossy hemlock
They have the coolest Blasphemy though.
unreal delta
rlly?
glossy hemlock
I also don’t think the tank one is the most boring I really didn’t like the Melee one tbh
Yeah the tank Blasphemy is really unique
zenith marlin
man they really made the EW tank role quests the most boring
Nothing is worse than the caster role quest
vagrant valley
can you only get 1 piece of gear a week in new raid?
pearl tangle
can you only get 1 piece of gear a week in new raid?
Yes
vagrant valley
ok
pearl tangle
Can get unlimited from normal pandeamonium and weekly from savage/24man can also upgrade the classical gear or whatever to 590
So keep that in mind if you’re needing gear
vagrant valley
okay, just wanted the glamz
unreal delta
I dont understand the people who say the ARR dungeons are "dumbed down" and "easy now"
like.
have you DONE the old dungeons recently?
the bosses were LITERALLY just Trash mobs with higher HP, or a completely un orthodox mechanic that made the fight unfun
chilly bluff
Meridianum has real mechanics now and thing don’t instantly melt
unreal delta
The bosses now have Raid wides, Tank busters, and usually 1-2 major mechanics
that is PERFECT for easing in new players and ACTUALLY TEACHING THEM MODERN MECHANICS
but "ooh my hallways its not a tedious maze anymore" as if people didnt just take the fastest route anyways making the dungeon a hallway anyways
chilly bluff
I also like that they’re beginning to unify the mechanic markers
Like how some of the oldest markers could mean different things depending on the run
unreal delta
RIGHT?
chilly bluff
They’re slowly fixing that
unreal delta
like. the thing is with MMOs you cant add "mystery" or "exploring" mechanics to dungeons because that mystery lasts for about 3 days after the content is released and then everyone goes the fastest route through the content anyways
and new players dont experience it because the veterans using duty roulette just run through and guide them anyways
so instead of making a maze that will be solved in 2 days by the majority of the playerbase, Make the dungeon a hallway, and extend it further than the fastest route the maze design would have taken them
Tedious =/= Difficult
and they removed alot of Tedious Bullshit from ARR dungeons and added actual mechanics
Like before i never thought about any mechanics during Gaius fight
And now he actually has aoe patterns to dodge, Lanes to dodge, Raid wides, and Tank busters
its not much but it still at the very least engages you with the fight instead of just standing in the fire and hitting gaius with nothing happening
AAAAAND
THE MECHANICS IN GAIUS NEW FIGHT ACTUALLY RESEMBLE MECHANICS TO THAT IN EMERALD WEAPON MEANING TO NEW PLAYERS THAT EVENTUALLY REACH SHADOWBRINGERS, ITS AN ACTUAL CALL BACK TO GAIUS FIGHT
chilly bluff
The biggest, slowest exaflares you’ve ever seen but a good tutorial for how exaflares work regardless.
unreal delta
HOW CAN PEOPLE THINK THIS IS DUMBED DOWN?
unreal delta
The biggest, slowest exaflares you’ve ever seen but a good tutorial for how exaf...
Yes, but to a new player who has never seen exaflares, its a new "Holy shit oh fuck" moment
like YEAH. LVL 50 NORMAL CONTENT IS DUMBED DOWN COMPARED TO MAX LVL. BECAUSE THATS HOW DIFFICULTY CURVES WORK
chilly bluff
Like Livia filling the entire room but still showing a discernible easy to read pattern.
tropic frigate
the original fights had difficulty?
chilly bluff
Makes sprouts panic, yeah, but also shows that they’re readable and manageable.
tropic frigate
im not a 2.0 player btw
bright osprey
and they removed alot of Tedious Bullshit from ARR dungeons and added actual mec...
me realising you cant skip prae anymore
unreal delta
but only because back then they made gearing up a fucking CHORE meaning back then things hit hard so it artificially made the fights longer and hit harder
without making the mechanics difficult
Thats how alot of old MMOs work
its not the mechanics are difficult
its the fact people had a lack of coherent guided information and artificial difficulty from stats bloat on bosses
tropic frigate
i still wish a lot of xiv was more random especially when it comes to normal modes
unreal delta
i....do not
tropic frigate
i dont understand how people want to do the same thing and then its always the same repeating pattern
unreal delta
Things being coordinated and uniform in terms of mechanics rewards the player for learning
Imagine a tank dying because the boss tank buster had no marker and it just randomly came out. because "hehe random mechanic"
tropic frigate
like they have added in a few areas of randomization sometimes like set randomization
unreal delta
yeah randomization of mechanic patterns could be nice in normal
but in how the mechanics are presented should be uniform
tropic frigate
yea
glossy hemlock
New Praetorium is so good
It’s so sexy
Literally they made Gaius even hotter the way he walks towards you and walks from the lift ugh so handsome
unkempt beacon
Pvp monk kinda sucks xD
grim coral
I need to do new Praetorium. Did Meridanium, did the Porta Dec-whatever...
granite nimbus
Pvp monk kinda sucks xD
Until the Monk sneaks up behind you and and bursts you down before you can react because Meteodrive lolnopes your Guard.
unkempt beacon
Okay somehow understandable. But why 6 Combos to get to your phantom rush the possibly only ability with kill potential?
livid oracle
Can you invuln or purify from the status effect of a monk suplexing you
And more importantly why can’t we suplex Zenos
unreal delta
unreal delta
Nothing is worse than the caster role quest
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT
this is infinitely more interesting than the Tank role quest
glossy hemlock
I only found it interesting because of the blasphemy couldn’t care less about the other stuff tbh
unreal delta
The aftereffects of your victory in the dragonsong war, What was left of Azys La after Thordan had been defeated.
and a Dragon Blasphemy formed of a cloned elezen acting irregular to that of previous Blasphemies
glossy hemlock
Tbh I kinda liked the tank role quest more
unreal delta
THIS IS INFINITELY more fucking interesting than the tank role quest
glossy hemlock
That’s the only thing I found interesting about the caster quest
Oh right
Was the blasphemy being like a failed summon
I don’t care about Ishgard politics
unreal delta
if it weren't 6.1 i would have spoilered it
glossy hemlock
I honestly thought ranged DPS was the most interesting
unreal delta
I don’t care about Ishgard politics
this may just be my bias because I love Heavensward
glossy hemlock
Probably bias lol
glossy hemlock
I did think the tank blasphemy was the coolest one
glossy hemlock
Ranged DPS was the best story, meele was the worst imo
Healer I really only cared about Arenvald and Raubahn I really don’t like Fordola so I ended up skipping parts of it cause I got bored or annoyed lmao
unreal delta
It was just 'ooh its a beast that inflicts a deadly poison!! its terrorizing us....' and thats about it mixed with a little bit of Kan E's past
'please ignore Gridania's heavy race problems that we haven't really addressed at all we're nature! please ignore the elementals being racist and refusing to help outsiders!!'
glossy hemlock
Tbh I’d rank it as…
Physical Ranged > Magic Caster > Tank > Healer > Melee DPS
unreal delta
ive still gotta level my healer lol
glossy hemlock
I have a heavy bias against it since Fordola is involved in it and I can’t stand her lol
I’m sure it’s great for people who like her
The Melee DPS one was SOOO boring after the first part I ended up skipping through it.
unreal delta
lol
glossy hemlock
I loved the ranged DPS despite SB being my least favourite expansion
It was actually interesting imo
unreal delta
im kind of shocked ishgard is for casters role
like come on. the one role thats kinda unrelated to ishgard?
Paladins? dragoon??? White mages?
and GRIDANIA goes to tanks?????
not.....HEALERS???
glossy hemlock
unreal delta
SE???
glossy hemlock
Who knows why
I did think it’s sort of funny that the one blasphemy that can kill you with just one scratch was the one you had to tank
But I liked hanging out with the Keeper he was nice
unreal delta
I think the one blasphemy focuses on poisoning people and its not given to healers
whuh?
late aurora
You’re protecting the healers duh
granite nimbus
I did think it’s sort of funny that the one blasphemy that can kill you with jus...
Well, the poison was only a death sentence to Hyurs. I'm a Lalafell. 
glossy hemlock
I guess true so it might make sense if you’re not Hyur to go tank it
That’s to say if it does only kill hyur and it’s not just because Gridania is majority hyur
next quarry
not.....HEALERS???
gridania already have enough healers
it seems to me that its based on what that location lacks
unreal delta
gridania already have enough healers
THERE WAS LITERALLY A DIALOGUE OPTION IN THE TANK ROLE QUESTS FOR DOING WHITE MAGE JOB QUESTS
COME ON
next quarry
ya
unreal delta
it seems to me that its based on what that location lacks
i would almost say this but limsa is an outlier
glossy hemlock
Limsa was also the literal worst one
next quarry
ninja isnt a starting job so it doesnt count
granite nimbus
Eh, I liked Limsa's "getting the band back together" thing. Being the acting leader of the Company and getting to boss them around felt good, and there's a lot of neat references to Merlwyb's backstory for those who haven't ready the Lodestone story for her.
glossy hemlock
I only like Merlwyb out of those characters tbh
And then she just dips
I’m sure it was fun if you liked those characters but I just was so not invested with them
glossy hemlock
For like two quests
quiet robin
Are cutscenes different for people who haven't done Crystal Tower?
Because when I seen you need to do crystal tower to have any context of what's going on
As well as warring Triad
quiet robin
There are people who haven't done it because they went to Heavens Ward at before Crystal Tower was mandatory
One of them is the streamer krojack
dim sigil
better question is why didnt ul dah get a role quest
slate ridge
Shouldn’t people who haven’t done the crystal tower alliance get a thing that prevents them from progressing?
dim sigil
should happen during 5,3 '
chilly bluff
If they somehow evaded the MSQ lock for Crystal Tower before the changes in 5.3, there is another check for it in 5.3 too, that forces you to go back and complete it.
unreal delta
yeah the caster role quests easily a ton better than the tank
glossy hemlock
Make Sorrow of Werlyt required and give Gaius more screen time 
unreal delta
Make Sorrow of Werlyt required and give Gaius more screen time <:ShibePray:94836...
so true
stiff charm
and GRIDANIA goes to **tanks**?????
doesnt the npc that starts you on role quests tell you that its to compensate for the roles not commonly found in those areas
opaque mango
Any decent rewards for doing role quests? Havent touched them
stiff charm
its just story
opaque mango
Oh.
glossy hemlock
You get to go on a trip with daddy Fourchenault in the final role quest so I’d say it’s worth.
ALSO Gaius gets mentioned in the final role quest too so it’s insanely worth doing all of them to get that.
One…. crumb… of Gaius lore…
floral osprey
Did we get new omega quests this patch? I swear I saw that somewhere
late aurora
No, it’s 6.15 as are the other ones
floral osprey
Thanks!
slate ridge
If they somehow evaded the MSQ lock for Crystal Tower before the changes in 5.3,...
I think that’s what happened when 5.3 rolled around. I was doing the msq for arr and I was blocked from continuing because I had to do the crystal towers
slim void
zenith marlin
That’s the only thing I found interesting about the caster quest
||Ooooh politics! Let’s just rehash the plot from heavensward but also church still bad cause they won’t let us f**k dragons and now people angry cause sad. Fuck that.
Not saying the tank one was good, but mechanically the final fight was fun. ||
IMO phys ranged and melee were fab
(Not done healer so no opinion on that yet)
unreal delta
if you thought the plot was church bad and rehashed HW you didnt read the dialogue tbh (Edit: I basically spoil the entire Caster Role Quest, beware)
||Idk where you got church bad because the entire questline is Literally Trying to figure out a way to aid the clergymen in the aftereffects of the dragonsong war because theyre now under basically constant harrassment from the citizenry of Ishgard||
||The questline even holds a meeting where Aymeric calls for church to be aided by its citizens and scripture be rewritten to provide the same comfort and Identity it once did to Ishgard without the lies and holding the upper echelons of the church accountable||
||Aymeric mentions how in his sight of revolution quite literally may have been to hasty and ironically, overzealous in that instead of ridding the church of corruption, driving a so sudden split between religion and state has caused a hatred towards religion instead of a freedom from corruption||
||IT IS LITERALLY RECREATING AND AIDING THE CHURCH OF ISHGARD||
THATS NOT CHURCH BAD
It is politics though, but at this point we're probably gonna have to get used to alot of politics. We're the warrior of damn light, quite literally a Major political figure with ties to almost every single city state across Aldenard and Othard
zenith marlin
THATS NOT CHURCH BAD
||They are angry cause they didn’t update with the times and the church didn’t change anything and literally tried to bring back the thordan…|| how is that not church bad??
unreal delta
||They are angry cause they didn’t update with the times and the church didn’t c...
||But they literally intend to rewrite the scripture to bring back the church to its glory without its deceit||
its thordan bad, not church bad
fluid basalt
why would we want to ||recreate the Church? it should stay|| dead
wet crown
the simple answer is to put a new carrot on the stick to keep the rabble on the right path
gaunt star
would he have said that if i wasnt wearing the 6.1 waymark clothes
gaunt star
XDD
glossy hemlock
Even if you have no clothes he will say that
pulsar current
I have a new idea
late aurora
Me in my chicken suit glam:
gaunt star
does this make any difference
gaunt star
i see
unkempt pagoda
yeah the caster role quests easily a ton better than the tank
Tank role quest sucked because you could replace the role with any other and it would still make sense
Hell, healer would make even more sense than tank would
||There was so much potential to involve mechanics that actually dealt with the poison debuff in interesting and engaging ways that only a tank could feasibly accomplish, but ultimately all we ended up doing was pathetically hold aggro and run to a stack marker every other minute.||
unreal delta
Hell, healer would make *even more* sense than tank would
EXACTLY
THATS WHAT IM SAYIN
unkempt pagoda
||Healing/helping with the elder seedseer with the poison would have been more interesting||
wet crown
Let me put it into perspective.
If they didn't make EW so big and split it up into 6.0 and 7.0 instead, then the role quests could've been 6.1 to 6.4. And Vanaspati as 6.5 (or that one first and the role quests after)
glossy hemlock
That would have dragged on WAAAAY too long
Also would lock way too much content for players who only play one class
glossy hemlock
It would spend way too long just hunting blasphemies and that would be incredibly boring
gaunt star
My god ||the Y'shtola fanservice is so good 
||
||she really should embrace her Magical Girl side 
||
iron birch
It would spend way too long just hunting blasphemies and that would be incredibl...
depends on how they made it
the original plan was to cover until Anima if they did 2 expacs for the base story of 6.0
obsidian ibex
I'm conflicted with the new ninja. At one point I feel as if I get more personal dps, but at the other I don't feel it was too necessary.
||Shorten mug to 60s cooldown||
iron birch
Memes mostly
brisk quail
If it was 120 CD...
The balance would have long heated arguments about two minute optimizations
And then argue about fight timings
And then argue about viablity of two TAs quickly after another
Or keeping them spaced during bursts
iron birch
Devs: how do we make this even more braidead?
brisk quail
Devs: how do we make this even more braidead?
It now auto combos and replaces your 1 2 or 3 in your combo when it comes off CD
Doesn't break combo
late aurora
Ultimate
obsidian smelt
Ah
rain onyx
Ultimate and probably PVP balance changes
chilly bluff
All of the other side content like tribe dailies, weekly collectable deliveries and Hildibrand are coming with 6.15. Probably hitting a month from now.
brisk quail
What’s coming in the 6.11 update tonight?
I'd assume a big ass WAR and WHM nerf
obsidian ibex
I have not changed my ninja rotation at all, even whilst doing savage, and I plan not to.
It honestly doesn't affect my rotation negatively at all.
brisk quail
It's just a different way of thinking I guess if you're a hardcore optimizer.
That and trying to double up on TA and Mug Debuffs for a burst phase
obsidian ibex
I already use bunshin before I hit trick attack so
The REAL useless one is Huraijin
it is an active crutch
It's too easy to use for too much gain.
I can reset my entire huton timer with a single hit, with no loss of my combo, and all within the GCD
Oh it also increases the ninki gague.
Idk why they added it. Was it because people couldn't hit armor crush in time? Is ninja really that hard to play? Am I just superior? Am I a god?
obsidian ibex
It'd be better if it was an ogcd, maybe with some charges.
And remove the ninki.
Or, just give it a new use. it could be a third aoe combo.
Ninja is dps anyhow
I never have to touch my huton combo again because huraijuul is instant huton
brisk quail
Like you start a downtime by turning your huton into mesui with and then use Huraijin to enter dps after downtime without wasting ninjutsu
brisk quail
Also, downtime
That's what it seems like to me
Same reason why the Monk Meditate exists
obsidian ibex
Why use the huton button when I can combo and do more damage with armor crush and get the same result
brisk quail
It's just there for downtime optimization
Not for actual use during a fight with no downtime
obsidian ibex
Why would doing my combos not be downtime?
obsidian ibex
I cant use huraijin if there's nothing to hit
brisk quail
Then Huraijin has a use
Cuz you go...
Midcombo
Boss flies away
Turn huton into ninki using meisui
Wait for downtime to end
Slap huraijin and don't wast a ninjutsu on Huton
Then go back to normal combo but with 1-2 ninjutsu and a funny buff for Bhavacakra
obsidian ibex
Huton doesnt turn into Meisui
thats suiton, which you need to hit something with first
obsidian ibex
Suiton shoots the water
Huton restarts your huton timer
Huraijin is a crutch to reset huton too easily
I could argue it even rewards bad management of huton (choosing armor crush below aerolian edge)
uneven sierra
real quick, how long does each pvp series last?
dim sigil
I think they said a series will last two patches but a new one will come with each patch?
pulsar current
real quick, how long does each pvp series last?
Current one will end in 6.18, and then start a new one into 6.2, after that is unknown
chilly bluff
PvP series will be one whole patch. This series will have two full seasons. The rewards from series 1 will stick around during series 2 (aka patch 6.2) as purchasable rewards from the crystal trophy vendor. When series 2 ends and series 3 begins, the series 1 rewards will go away and the series 2 rewards will replace them in the shop.
potent marsh
which is faster to solo, sohm al or balesar wall, im looking for a aiming body piece?
pulsar current
Prolly sohm all
granite nimbus
which is faster to solo, sohm al or balesar wall, im looking for a aiming body p...
Sohm Al or Sohr Khai?
Sohm Al is a Level 53 dungeon.
potent marsh
sohm al hard
pulsar current
PvP series will be one whole patch. This series will have two full seasons. The ...
Says here 6.1 to 6.18
granite nimbus
The boss mechanics aren't as annoying and it doesn't having the moving platform section.
pulsar current
Oh god I thought those were the same
potent marsh
is it the more people i have, the more loot that drops from chest?
or is it a unlimited party thing?
stiff charm
doesnt matter
rain onyx
Only Duty Support/Trusts dungeon runs mess with dungeon coffer loot by reducing gear drops from bosses by 1
wet crown
reducing all gear drops per chest to 1 and change all non-boss chests to accessoires only
plush parcel
Get rid of all savage raids and add more pvp goodies.
dim sigil
get rid of all pve and add more pvp
mellow spade
What else is coming out in 6.11 or is it just DSU
warped root
Tataru's grand endeavor quest
slim void
What else is coming out in 6.11 or is it just DSU
6.11 might come with some last minute balance changes and maybe a little bit of a pvp fix
nothing gaurenteed though as it might just be ulti drop
slim void
whm nerf that makes cure 2 8k heal and instant cast 
and then buffs lb because it needs 'compensation for less healing'
brisk quail
pvp is fine, but not getting rid of all pve...nononono lol
Nah there's some real jank
brisk quail
whm nerf that makes cure 2 8k heal and instant cast <:KEKW:719696023005429851>
Don't forget that...
- Whm cure bug
- Fastest charging LB for such a loaded LB
- Has literally the best CC button in the game as you can't stop it
- Huge free damage buttons allowing them to combo from LB
past light
maybe dejank gnb so it isn't trash while they're at it
brisk quail
War and whm need nerfs
slim void
well instant cast cure 2 unironically fixes cure 2 bug
lb does need nerf to speed or effect yeah
the cc should be nerfed to like 1.5sec or smth
and personally with sge existing whm damage doesn't feel like a lot
brisk quail
How is it okay to have the AoE stun AND a pull on 15 second CDs
While other classes get one CC every 30 seconds
Like excuse me?
brisk quail
Everything else needs a massive buff
slim void
if pld wasn't bugged to have dash stun not work people would be mad complaining about that
past light
wait pld gapcloser is supposed to stun in pvp?
brisk quail
past light
slim void
it's a text error thing that was either added for English only and wasn't fully committed to or just was scrapped last second and then wasn't updated for english
brisk quail
Imo if it did stun
PLD would be in a much better place
onyx sundial
past light
at least rdm is fun in pvp
slim void
yeah
onyx sundial
Rdm is broken
brisk quail
PLD without that dash stun feels very hard to combat
past light
melee dps rdm
onyx sundial
What wins in pvp from what i experience is really overwhelming offense
Pld doesnt do anything like that
brisk quail
RDM before melee combo: haha. 5000 damage
RDM during melee combo: 6000,7000,8000 + 3, 4000 potency dots + another 8000 damage attack/4000 pot dot
brisk quail
Like if you even get TICKLED by the end of the RDM sword
You're just dead bro
They can kill you whenever they feel like it
fuck this guy in particular - RDM jumping into melee combo the healer
onyx sundial
Not to mention how sliperry rdm is with the jumps
And also has aoe silence/bind btw
unkempt pagoda
WAR needs to lose its stun imo
unkempt pagoda
It already has the chain and top-tier tank dps
slim void
it only has good dps in lb 
unkempt pagoda
For a tank
onyx sundial
Think of roles in CC not really indicative of how a job actually plays
brisk quail
WAR also eats in objective based gamemodes
onyx sundial
The only real tanks are drk and pld
unkempt pagoda
DRK only has good dps if you can get lucky and people don't move out of salted
onyx sundial
Nin plays more of a ranged mobile assassin.
More ranged than rdm
Mnk plays more like a tank than gnb does
slim void
rdm outside if melee combo 💀
brisk quail
If war hits like 5 targets with it's AoE stun. That's 40k hp from nacent.
Then another 40k hp from orogeny
Then another 40k hp from cyclone
And this is objective based
So everyone can't just wander about
And spread out
past light
14/0/28 as rdm earlier in frontline, totally balanced
slim void
personally
roe should pop at timer end if you aren't cc'd
I just want to not think about it 
unkempt pagoda
That's why I said WAR should remove its stun; it has AoE stuns and its chain
slim void
wait
onyx sundial
Nah if you start spreading out really
unkempt pagoda
Just swap the heavy from the chain with a stun
onyx sundial
Warrior is no issue
slim void
doesn't nascent not heal on ogcds
onyx sundial
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brisk quail
No it heals on ALL damage
slim void
what the
brisk quail
More than half it's max HP
past light
!pvpaction fell cleave
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brisk quail
Dont stand together
Looks at crystal cap zone
slim void
just kill the warrior 
onyx sundial
unkempt pagoda
Regardless, if WAR is going to stay the same, they need to at least buff the other tanks to its level
onyx sundial
Crystal players only cycle like 1-2 people in the cap zone
brisk quail
Regardless, if WAR is going to stay the same, they need to at least buff the oth...
Agree
onyx sundial
So
unkempt pagoda
That includes giving more CC to DRK and GNB
onyx sundial
Yeah
brisk quail
PLD feels doodoo garbage without dash stun
onyx sundial
You dont need all 5 people on the crystal
slim void
the other tanks are just 💀
unkempt pagoda
DRK also needs more execute options
Our playstyle is literally sacrificing our health for dps
But it is never worth doing so
slim void
drk is just weird for pvp
spend hp to do damage so you just have squish
eventide should be 75% hp or lower = 20k pot, 15k pot if higher
slim void
does it get buffed during eventide?
unkempt pagoda
Base minimum 5k at the very least to equal with Souleater
And it can scale up to 1600 damage
Right now its maxs at 1200 at low HP
unkempt pagoda
Bloodspiller's damage
slim void
!pvpaction bloodspiller
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unkempt pagoda
The scaling needs adjusting
past light
fell cleave but worse
past light
4000 base potency on a gcd you need to burn hp for
unkempt pagoda
Since we can "spam" ShB, I don't expect BS to ever be insanely powerful
But it needs some definite love
slim void
I mean all it needs is 50% scaling imo
and eventide maxing the damage of bloodspiller if it already doesn't
unkempt pagoda
It technically does if you don't heal xD
It gives you one free BS, but that is really it
brisk quail
You get one stack
unkempt pagoda
Please Square, I just want DRK to have execute potential like WAR. Defensively we are fine
brisk quail
It's like PLD sword oath
unkempt pagoda
Maybe a bit better CC
brisk quail
You press dash, get one
Press LB, get one
And it's haha hit me I gain HP during LB is mitigated by having a brain
unkempt pagoda
GNB is the tank in real of help though. At least DRK and PLD can survive
GNB is just...there
slim void
Drk is pretty gud
I trust the crystal player so ig just slight changes
literally all I want to see is the 20% changed with 50% for max scaling threshold
unkempt pagoda
Eventide's true strength is baiting oppressive LB's, and making sure you pool Quietus
brisk quail
Yeah
unkempt pagoda
LB'ing without your heal is a death sentence
brisk quail
If you can get a MCH to slap LB on you
During eventide
You win
You did a good job
But as ranks go higher... that will happen less
slim void
the chances of seeing mch is less
brisk quail
the chances of seeing mch is less <:KEKW:719696023005429851>
Truuuue
unkempt pagoda
Also, I know Eventide has a cool animation, but I was playing the other day and had an idea - what if I swapped Eventide with Dark Force's animation? The result was amazing
unkempt pagoda
DRK's LB is too cool not to see more often
brisk quail
DRK's LB is too cool not to see more often
Everyone who saw it just goes haha. Trailer attack
brisk quail
Nin is just a ranged DPS with a melee LB
How many Fuma Shurikens do you want? Yes
Also them running away with hide is annoying as hell sometimes
Mobility be crazy
pearl tangle
Eventide's true strength is baiting oppressive LB's, and making sure you pool Qu...
Eventide is also good for stunning people off point for last minute clutch
unborn lantern
I wish they introduced zenos mother
iron scaffold
I wish they introduced zenos mother
isn't the twins mom not enough for you?
somber storm
Min height middy garlean
dull jolt
I wish they introduced zenos mother
Will Zeno Mother have an big butt too?
slim void
where do you think he got it from
glossy hemlock
He doesn’t have a big ass though. It’s all fake. Maybe he learned that from his mom and that’s why Varis doesn’t ever talk about her.
oblique sedge
Will Zeno Mother have an big butt too?
midnight bough
the new ultimate is unlocked after clearing p4s right?
do i have to do the new story
humble heron
No
river hound
do i have to do the new story
Yes.
obtuse trout
do i have to do the new story
No gotta clear p4s for it
river hound
Must do 6.1 story. Must see Y'shtola become Magical Girl.
wind bough
glossy hemlock
Must do 6.1 story. Must see Y'shtola become Magical Girl.
Do it 
river hound
Its done. I just havent cleared p4s yet
Life is hard
Why cant Hesperos just froth and foam and die.
glossy hemlock
I don’t even have a static and have given up on ever raiding again tbh.
This late in people aren’t gonna wanna run through with someone who hasn’t cleared the content
wind bough
Sure they are
Just jump in the pf
There are thousands of folks out there it’s not like you’re on OCE 
wind bough
Get on it 
wind bough
You browsed all pages?
There should be literally hundreds of savage pfs at peak time even with it being like week 16
glossy hemlock
Yeah for the raid stuff
Ah well I don’t play at peak time tbh
Which is another issue lol
My schedule never matches with other people so I can’t do a static
versed gulch
so tommorow patch only ultimate nothing elsee?
glossy hemlock
I basically play from like ~1AM to around 4AM when I’m on.
chilly bluff
so tommorow patch only ultimate nothing elsee?
Some minor bug fixes expected as well but yeah just Ultimate. Everything else is coming with 6.15.
versed gulch
Some minor bug fixes expected as well but yeah just Ultimate. Everything else is...
tyty
oblique sedge
when is 6.18?
chilly bluff
No idea 
oblique sedge
we can't do data center travels yet?
obtuse trout
No that's 6.18
chilly bluff
Looking back at 5.1, however, when the previous ultimate was added, 5.18 came two weeks after 5.15. If that cadence holds, 6.15 will be one month from now and 6.18 will be two weeks after that.
obtuse trout
So DC travel is roughly around the end of May start of June for 6.18
lone pivot
July is when they reorganize the entire JP datacenter, 6.18 must come before that deadline
rich igloo
Where can Y'shtola be found after completing "A Satrap's Duty"?
proper zealot
Tataru, why must you call me out like this
somber storm
Look we like loot
glossy hemlock
I can make stuff outta those feathers and leaves okay 😤
zealous sentinel
cursive thunder
dsr i think
smoky valve
Dragonsong's Reprise (Ultimate)
woven sphinx
How is the new legend title called?
grave raft
heavens' legend
indigo sinew
any idea where I can find the new weapons?
wind bough
brisk quail
Tataru, why must you call me out like this
Me with 20 main stat materia in my chocobo saddle: THEY'RE IMPORTANT OKAY?
fluid basalt
island sanctuary has arrived?
past light
no d:
rain onyx
6.2
south flare
i cry
glossy hemlock
We all cry
south flare
the new ultimate's weapons are beautiful
glossy hemlock
I guess that’s an opinion.
south flare
i like glowy weapons
glossy hemlock
Island Sanctuary isn’t a restoration thing though.
pulsar current
restoration thing?
wdym
its side content for people who dont wanna do ultimate
thats the comparison
glossy hemlock
Heaven’s Legend sounds cool af imo
pulsar current
hells legend would be cool af tho
unborn lantern
but, it will be worth to have
could had been
The Holy Legend
Eh, I tried
Knight of the Legend
something
hollow wolf
pulsar current
dragonsang legend 
lapis pike
So those ultimate weapons are uh…definitely weapons alright
dawn plume
hasty moon
are servers lagging rn? my pvp matches being awful rn ._.
wet crown
Heaven's weapons are TEA weapons but tea colored
I like the milpreves and gunblade but the rest is just okay at best.
pearl tangle
the ult has a checkpoint 
wet mountain
not a fan of the new weps tbh
Where you see them I'm not in game atm
lavish cargo
is the ||soul vessel|| thing in the alliance raid random? or is it based on dps or something?
rare forum
Where can i see the new weapons exchange?
rare forum
radz at han
Thanks
humble heron
is the ||soul vessel|| thing in the alliance raid random? or is it based on dps ...
Its the coolest player
low nexus
was the scholar dot in pvp already 15 seconds before?
grave rune
i think i missed something, did i have any personal motivation for wanting to seek out ||Alzadaal's ruins||, or did the opportunity just fall in my lap as i was looking for some way to be helpful?
pulsar current
i think i missed something, did i have any personal motivation for wanting to se...
emet talks about the ruins under the bounty
grave rune
emet talks about the ruins under the bounty
ohhhh that's right!! thank you 
unborn lantern
Where you see them I'm not in game atm
they are posted on youtube
stray granite
Whos the furthest in the race; is there a race tracker
mystic tapir
Is there anything different in the new raid quest line for players who's guardian is one the 4 we encounter?
wet crown
been lagging a lot recently but it's worse today
humble heron
Is there anything different in the new raid quest line for players who's guardia...
No
hasty moon
been lagging a lot recently but it's worse today
had same issue 10min ago in p2s and it was savage deluge 
orchid plinth
Whm burst heals and glares and stun holy
Sch increment heals and shields and fairy
chilly bluff
Personal preference. Both are good at what they do but what they do is slightly different.
humble heron
Do whm
unborn lantern
primal basalt
critspy
topaz river
oop
latent stratus
||i think it’s great that y’shtola acknowledges that you’re a reaper when talking about contracts with voidsents ||
stray granite
is there a worlds first race tracker
vivid notch
is anyone past ||Thordan||?
gaunt star
not yet i guess
oak pike
Not consistently
tropic frigate
If anyone would be it'd be the doods who dont stream
worthy trellis
6.11 Q: is there any new music from Dragonsong Ultimate?
primal basalt
wait and see
unreal delta
orchid plinth
Twitter bb girl is being saved by WoL Elon Musk
pearl tangle
6.11 Q: is there any new music from Dragonsong Ultimate?
100% yes but we don’t know what it is yet
Have to wait for people to get there
worthy trellis
Yeah, I just wasn’t sure if people had found it yet. I’m at work and also am a filthy casual so I’ll never hear it in game
tardy hare
hasn't it taken like 10+ days for world first for every ultimate
chilly bluff
5ish days for UWU iirc
pearl tangle
hasn't it taken like 10+ days for world first for every ultimate
No
This one will take a few days pretty sure since it’s ucob tier
winged lagoon
Only took a long time for UCoB since it was the first and nobody knew what to expect
UWU and TEA were 4-5 days
pearl tangle
Yeah but it’s a different style of ult vs tea/uwu
pure echo
Might go faster since this one has doors, i.e. if you get through phase 1 and die you start at phase 2 not at phase 1
pearl tangle
No because there’s still basically the same amount of phases at least what we can tell so far
tropic frigate
From what i saw the part right after || thordan || has no checkpoint and the enemy in question is ||nidhogg||
pearl tangle
From what i saw the part right after || thordan || has no checkpoint and the ene...
Yeah it’s all the long part now