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this is so weird i know y'shtola had her eyes changed between ARR and HW ||but i never knew she can't see??||
Flow basically rendered her blind
until ||the end of the unknown imperial soldier duty and the thavnir duty during the final days|| i didn't notice a thing :|
It gets mentioned after we recover her and meet Matoya
There's a scene where Matoya knows she's blind and is using aether sight to see instead
Around post HW iirc
They point out in Shadowbringers how she doesn't recognize you from aether sight alone because of the lightwardens you've absorbed
she did indeed but it went over my head
thx for explaining
RDM's Triple Melee Combo is SO SATISFYING.
I find it weird that people call RDM boring?
It used to be boring
And annoying to optimize to a certain extent
Its better now
So the difference between this channel and the #general-discussion is that on this channel you can write about and post stuff without censoring spoilers up to endwalker?
#retired-patch-6-3-discussion message Nevermind alright
Question answered
I was wondering why people still censor stuff in this channel
My character just happened to look identical to hermes and I thought hermes was a reflection of your character and copied their appearance
Lmao
because earlier/just after release, there was a separate channel to discuss untagged spoilers. This channel was originally to discuss job changes, patch notes etc and any spoiler in here had to be tagged - or go to the spoiler channel. That habit has stuck. I was wrong, check here #retired-patch-6-3-discussion message
just noticed this corner of thavnir and this guy is in a perpetual state of getting mugged
Anyone knows where this is https://twitter.com/Seika1245/status/1484759989537611777?s=20
I know its in Thavnair but where
Spoiler tags are still enforced here
I think I remember seeing it close to the training dummies
Check the pins.
This channel exists because of the high amount of server traffic that accompanies an expansion release
The only place you can post about EW stuff without spoiler tags is #916247709462200390
Thanks I'll check there!!
actually wait, that little tower bit on the left looks like the daiva arena
Found it; its near the fishing village
What Is best way to level alts now from 80-90 is running trust 85 dungeon better than 87 dungeon?
Do the highest dungeon
Why do I always click on this trying to click general
Shrug
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Question on the 89 trial: when she does the bit with summoning all the crystals, are you supposed to hide behind a crystal for the big attack from the center, or just get as far away as possible without falling off the platform?
hide and break line of sight
Thanks.
wait which part? the 6 "targetable" crystal or the non targetable ones
my character was wearing a maid dress in the last endwalker scene
he ascended
to a better plane of existence
At which msq level will ||bozja|| be referenced in the msq? Planning on finishing that before continuing on that part (currently at the start of lvl 88 msq)
It already was?
||It would have been by now, albeit not directly. A Bozja NPC appears when the Ilsabard Contingent gathers for the first time.||
Ohhhh so I passed it already
so it's good to continue msq for now?
Hmmm yeah I guess I'll do that. Thanks @chilly bluff and @late aurora!
Will continue msq now
What content here requires spoiler mark? Anything post shb?
Story related content from 6.0 iirc
Oki ty
cannelle: Im not sure..but I think one npc was at sharlayan harbour
Ohhhh okaay. Will he/she appear even if I haven't finished dal?
Happens again around 89
Ohhh okaay. Will finish lvl 88 first then~
I think I got to the good part too so dont know if I can stop xD
||I just did mommy crystal I have never seen so many people keep dying to the same mechanic over and over||
me all the time
I mean I don’t expect anyone to know the first but when u explain all mechanics after every wipe and put markers is kinda sad
We could only clear after we told all to just follow ot or a healer
|| thats why i did it with trusts
||
Tbh after all the set up I was really considering it it felt like the natural thing to do
entire msq spoilers || i just arrived to elpis, would it be correct to call these people ascians? they refer themselves as just mankind||
Theyre very different
oh
ascians specifically refer to those loyal to zodiark post sundering, only 3 ancients have become ascians (being lahabrea, emet selch and elidibus) as those 3 werent sundered, all the others are just sundered beings
i will settle with icecream's answer. I'm sorry i'm scared of that spoiler =( i promise i will come back and read it after msq
this is shadowbringers stuff tbh, idk why i tagged it
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Ascians are people tempered by Zodiark. It's that simple.
oh that's what he meant by loyal to
People who are not tempered by Zodiark are not Ascians.
cuz like idk ||if my character is tempered or loyal to hyaedelin jajaja||
only 3 ascians are tempered imo
wow i never noticed i thought they were acting in self volition
i dont think those that get raised to the seats get magically tempered as they are only imbued with the knowledge and memories of those who held the seat before
and i dont think black masks are tempered either, leaving only lahabrea, emet -selch and elidibus as the 3 who are tempered to zodiark
was there any interviews regarding how answers was created?
It still amazes me how they managed to tie the 1.0 ending song to the last 2 expac
I think most people || just call them Ancients || btw
In regards to your thing lol
Ah yes that 1 hour ||P1N|| solo warrior run was interesting
I kinda met the guy on PF too lol
Those are huge spoilers, how hard is it to tag the names
Ok my fault
8 warriors only stuff is nothing impressive anyway, it happens all the time
#archived-lore-spoilers Alright 
We tag EW stuff there too
Yeah but to the changes to Raw Intuition and with Bloodwheeting its even more ridiculous now
||"We will stand against this fate."
"No matter the cost!"
"This is Thancred."||
entire MSQ spoilers || this dungeon makes it very difficult to find a group instead of playing with my best friends the guys on black i liked them soo much during ShB can i not play with both||
most people felt the same lol
i just watched a preach video where he does last steps before the emet selch fight. and preach says or hypotizes we are emet selchs lost love
that kinda blew my mind....is there any weight on that theory?
yeah really whoever didnt do that one with trust deserves a spanking
Azem was very close, that much we know
people in DF will literally be like "no we need healer LB3 it's too hard" instead of learning the mechanics >->
didnt he was like "uuugh" because azem was so reckless?
goddamn i cant wait for preach to reach endwalker
kekw
these copies where funny back in the day. now they are just tasteless
they also spoil the game...
Yeah they actually can get reported tbh lol
they arent spoilers
its only a spoiler if you aready know about it, no one that hasnt done that content isnt going to know what that is, so it means nothing to them
If your name is [insert character]’s ghost or something, that’s blatant
A spoiler is an element of a disseminated summary or description of any narrative that reveals plot elements.
that there is pretty much a spoiler. even double before endwalker
its not a spoiler, because those to those that havent done 5.2 the name venat wont mean anything to anyone, and when you learn about venat you learn she is hydaelyn at the same time anyway
its as much a spoiler as the ShB collectors edition mount is
it is a spoiler. it spoils twice. first it connects the name hydaelyn with the name of venat. secondly it connects both names with a human being. before endwalker most would have connected hydaelyn with the mothercrystal and not a primal chilling at the mother crystals place.
so yes since it brings up connections you cannot know if you did not play endwalker it is a spoiler
yeah, but by the time you learn of the connection it gets revealed at the same time anyway, and we learn hydaelyn is a primal in 5.0, EW has fuck all to do with that part
and even more so with the outfit of the ancients
yes we learn that hydaelyn is a primal in 5.0 true. but did we learn the visual appearance of her. no we didnt
its still not a spoiler, show that to someone in ARR/HW/SB and most of ShB and they arent going to understand a single thing of connect that with anything till they get to that respective point in the msq, you are just speaking from the perspective of actually having finished the content
it doesnt matter. it reveals plot elements before their time and with that per definition is a spoiler
it reveals no plot elements
Before ShB, we got hints that Hydaelyn and Zodiark are primals. Many even assumed so anyway due to logical conclusions.
In 5.0, we get direct confirmation for that.
In 5.2, we learn that Venat became Hydaelyn's heart.
Therefore, this is a 5.2 spoiler.
Why does that need to be discussed? What does it matter anyway?
its not even a 5.2 spoiler, all the way to that respective scene the name venat means nothing and has no connection to anything, though it can become a spoiler if you specifically tell someone the exact connection and when it is
It doesn't tell you anything.
telling someone that that name is a spoiler is the actual spoiler and not the name
Next people will say you shouldn't use the EW MSQ mount
wait till people learn what titles are
Borf
I remember someone here said "The name for the trials should be changed because I was spoiled by them because I looked at my friends list and saw what location they were in"
what would they change the trial names to, to avoid "spoilers" they would have to be named as such "trial #1, trial #2 and etc" and tha would be quite bad
people get to sensitive about what is considered a spoiler, seems unless you use no titles, no minions, no mounts, use lore accurate names, dont use DF, no dungeons, no trials, no raids and only wear arr outifts then everything is a "spoiler"
How dare you use outfits the MSQ gives you
I can't wait for preach to come to 5.3
Finally i found someone that agrees with me about spoilers. 
Petition to rename Amon's hat to Clone's hat

will probably go when the tag spoiler rule is lifted
That will never be lifted
which its been over 2 months now so its quite strange its still up
Spoiler tag rules continue to apply for ARR and all expansions, in all channels except #archived-lore-spoilers
Always
The only lifting of spoiler tag restrictions would be allowing EW untagged in #archived-lore-spoilers
right but what do other channels have to do with this one and lore spoilers
???
Don’t spoil shit for people, it’s not hard
Your question doesn’t make sense
This channel, like all other channels except #ALL SPOILERS ALLOWED - Patch 6.0 - Endwalker Lore (and eventually #archived-lore-spoilers ), has spoiler tags enforced
right, but that has nothing to do with what i said, why would i be talking about lifting the rule for non lore channels
Because of the channel we’re in?
right and this is an extenstion of a lore channel, even in the channel description it talks about msq
It’s not
No it’s not
this channel for every other patch has been the lore channel for it
No, the extension of the lore channel is a spoiler thread directly linked to it.
We’re doing a new model now with the introduction of threads
This is essentially a second #general-discussion
Spoiler tags are enforced here
And I’m not a blue but as far as I understand that will never be lifted
Instead this channel will just go away in the future
I'm just wondering why it's still up.
i werent aware that this channel was changed that much, as during 5.35/5.4 and such it was just a free for all with lore
its in the same place it usually appears when a patch comes out
In the past it’s been by #archived-lore-spoilers
Though this may have changed a few times depending on needs
Threads are just easier to archive and stuff. And reduce channel bloat.
Also once they stop being used for long enough, they archive themselves
entire MSQ spoilers ||asahi is a CHAD||
||whoa they really gonna let me queue for a full party and wipe to my heart's content without feeling bad ||
Doubt 
Yeah there are some funny interactions apparently as well
I dun understand this. What trial/stage are you talking about?
|| Level 89 Trial ||
|| It allows you to use the Trust system for that Trial. ||
Oh yeah. I just wish the trust system is better . Fking standing there clearing mechs without casting is infuriating
you could always just.....
(o.o )
.... ( o.o)
|| (o.o) play with real players...||
That’s why I don’t use trusts lmao.. But.. || Use the trust to figure out the mechanics and then hope into a queue for it to clear with real players ||
I use trust to clear specific dungs that are hard to queue for. Aka ShB dungs for wondrous tails
Patch note out yet ?
You can look in #lodestone-news-na
Thanks
last i checked they were not, think they usually get put up when servers goes down
Can't wait for the new servers
lvl 86-87 spoiler. holy shit this fate is aggressive
the mobs do a lot of damage and the respawn timer is way too fast Oo
Sounds like you need to git gud 
sounds like it's just scaled for more players
fates scale depending on how many people were there to kill the last few fates in the zone
then if there's only one person doing it then fate spawns will eventually scale back down to ez mode
Yeah that’s the real answer lmao
But if a larger group of players just left the zone then the FATEs will still be tuned higher for a bit
yeah that's probably the reason. people left the zone
there was a hunt train
that helped with the previous fate I did
Your guys’ hunt trains stop to do FATEs?
If one of the hunts is close to a fate yes
there's one in thavnair where the spawn location almost overlaps with a fate
Wild lol
it's 1 fate closer to the 60x fate achievement 😄
so I think that's why people do them if it's close to a hunt
On the Elemental DC hunt trains just go until the loop is complete no stopping for FATEs
The only time it stalls is to get people in the instance
on EU we mostly call the hunts even for people that aren't part of the train. So technically people that just want to go for this one kill might stop as well to help with a fate
but recently it got worse. People are pulling without waiting for other people
Wild
I'm so scared of tomorrow. On Phoenix the queue is finally on pre endwalker level again. I hope we won't get 1-2k queues again
hello friends i finished msq
where do i get better gear now
also i have problems and feel like leveling a couple of other classes but i know i shouldn't
|| Radz-at-Han || @frigid igloo
if it's the guy selling ||580|| gear i don't currently have the required gear to queue
is ||560 supposed to be easy to get?||
570 is aphorism gear
560 is from 90 dungeons
580 is from EXs, normal raids and crafted
ohh i see
you can get 590 gear from astronomy tomestones, and 600 gear from savage content as well
600 is the highest btw
isn't 605 possible?
Yeah, start gearing up by running the 3 final dungeons, then star buying pieces with tomestones, then when you can run asphodelos start doing that too
Or you can just buy gear from the marketplace
Nah
i don't have a lot of gil so i will just spam expert >_<
Yeah do the roulette every day you get a good bonus
the savage weapons are 605 smh pratai
Plus you'll get 560 drops
though it's a pity i gotta spam expert cuz i wanted the materia from the other roulettes
Until you can start buying 570 and 590 pieces
But you can’t get an average of 605
You can do other roulettes, you still get tomes
all 6 of them?
yes, i was just saying in terms of individual
I dunno I usually just did expert and levelling tbh
you can't get an average of 600 either, right? @late aurora
oh on second thought i don't need them cuz battledance ones are super cheap
ill never forget
GC turn in
you're both wrong. the fastest way to level to 30 is to buy a boost.
I should say new character to 30

I want my million gil and 15 days free game time
are these the rewards i can only get once a day?
You can’t buy a Fisher boost silly
The top ones
pratai you said can instead of cant smh smh ur off ur game today
Again tomes aren’t a spoiler
they were protecting us from the adventurer in need bonus
Any idea when the patch notes will drop?
every time someone asks it gets delayed by 5 minutes
but in all honesty. no. sometime during maint.
Anyone else doing a server transfer?
Does anyone know what tends to get released during a x.08 patch or is it mostly just balance patches?
They told us it’s just balance changes
it's entirely balance.
I think the next big content update is 6.1 in april?
Considering the first preview for 6.1 is in March, yes, April is a safe assumption.
Can we just make a new character on oce and level them to 30 and get 15 days free for our account? and just go back to my main on aether?
You can, yes. Remember that the 15 day bonus is one time only per account. Ever. So if they add more new servers some time later, you won't be able to do that again.
i remember getting my free days doing a alt once was unexpected but cool
Didnt we also get 21 days of free play time due to the congestion of endwalker release?
For those who had active subscriptions at the time, yes.
Im transferring my main over as I live in NZ, be nice to finally play at a proper time zone and ping
But I'll also level a fisher to 30 quick for the bonuses
That is pretty sick that even transfers are getting the exp bonus this time
Normally they don't
That buff is absurdly powerful
Bonuses for characters created during bonus period that attain level 30 in any class
are transfers even available right away
No
Next day
26th? Here in NZ anyway might be 25th in north America because of time zones
20 hours later, give or take.
Road to 80 applies to every job
Friend leveled gatherers like that
I meant the lvl 30, 15 days thing
Yeah that's only for combat jobs
Oh is it?
The notes say any class
Bonuses for characters created during bonus period that attain level 30 in any class
Gift of 1,000,000 gil (*1)
Gift of 15 days of free play time (*2)
Must have changed then. Makes sense if even transfers in are getting the exp bonus.
fisher is the easiest class to level so why go thru all that
Yeah ocean fishing let's go
I leveled fisher from 1-80 thru leves and it took me 200k gil lol
OCE bros getting treated pretty nicely lol
Ocean fishing is fast and easy af
ocean fishing stresses me out i dont know what im doing there
You can just cast and catch normally if you don’t know anything else
And you’ll still do gangbusters exp
The paladin buff holy shit
PLD mains rejoice
6.08
The dnc buffs are pretty good tbh
They got buffed, yeah. The technical step change is significant and the other ones may appear small but they’re on the buttons you’ll be hitting the most.
Its 40 potency per gcd
Considering you hit 24~ gcds per min
Thats over 900 potency increase


Its actually bigger than you think
People see only 40 potency, and dont even consider that its the standard gcds which you press every 2.5 seconds
the dnc buff is colossal
Tbh is a good buff
Hrmm assume mnk would've gotten abit more than 1 buff
Mnk is fine
It actually really didnt need any

Mnk is fine DONT TOUCH IT ANYMORE SE DONT RUIN IT TO THE GROUND AGAIN
PLD BUFF GOOD
The only buff mnk needs is upgraded action effects
^
my PLD is gonna be rainin blades and slamming ass after this patch
is a good buff
I’m still over the moon with that Dragon Sight buff. That range increase is nuts and they even killed the animation so sprouts won’t panic and die anymore if I tether them.
Agree
PLD deserves it

Mfw magic combo felt worse than melee combo because I couldn't FoF it
Why did the Confeti combo hit like a wet noodle anyway
Cuz they wanted it to be a mild upgrade to normal starting melee combo
But it felt like ass cuz it was like a couple ten potency more

i just wanna do that magic aoe combo in a dungeon
Will paladin be worth playing? Friends trying to dissuade me lol
it was always worth playing, but if they were bad then they wanted you on a higher DPS tank 
still waiting on numbers but by now it should be more than fine
pld is jank pre70
esspecially since they are one of the few tanks with no gapcloser until shb levels
very few mits, sheltron is weak before lv74 and you can't use requi for trash pulls pre 72, no gap closer till 74
I will miss my Dragon Sight tether but the range increase is welcomed for sure. now I can give it to a magic or ranged dps if they seem to be putting out the most damage
Not to mention magic sucks pre SB
Heck even pre SHB magic sucks on PLD
PLD absolutely needed the buff
they need to move some traits and skills to lower lvls for PLD, and just make dark mind all dmg types while they're at it
lower lvl pld leveling is extremely painful since your 'mit skills' are taken by cover, clemency, divine veil, and intervention, none of which works for you during trash pulls except clemency unless you want to piss off your healer
pallys eatin good tonight!
Pally and dancer
DNC not so much lol
Y'all mixed on DNC looks like lol
0.8% MNK dps increase 
return positionals to every single action but instead of just flank and back add front and sides too 
Hey,just wanted to say CONGRATULATIONS (p4s was harder with 6.0 pld) on your ASPHODELOS THE FOURTH CIRCLE SAVAGE PLD (it was harder in 6.05) CLEAR. I know you've been working really hard (pld harder in 6.05) at it, and I'm happy that you've (harder) achieved your goal of completi
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lol why is this channel nsfw
Spoilers
o
There is no spoiler tag for channels so they need to apply NSFW tags
They buffed the basic combos for Dancer but not the fans 
Because they didn’t need to be?
Oh 
is mch really that bad? the forum talk make it look like mch is at the bottom now even below dancer after this patch... that cant be right
How can they know
The patch just dropped
Also it’s the forums, their opinions don’t matter
i dont know tbf, probably some people calculate stuff and simulation or something maybe?
like this
i dont even know how people get this
oh
Yeah MCH should still be bottom after these buffs
seems correct and if balance math numbers back it up then yeah
I see pld lounge arguing still if they overtake WAR or not
But things should be closer now i think?
either way things should be closer, yeah, even if they don't manage to overtake
Damn bro I was already having a good time with Sam and now ogi hits even harder
Sign me the hell up
Oh hey, Omega outfits.
It's not just that DNC overtook MCH in rdps. Dancer has overtaken MCH in personal dps.


Should've buffed MCH's skills by 100 potency each
hey guys any fun alliance/normal raid you suggest unlocking? I feel guilty dragging people to the crystal tower all the time
all of them tbh
gives you better chance of not experiencing crystal tower
...which is still what you usually get

A lot of people like Ivalice for alliance raid
Oh people are absolutely bullshitting about ilvl cheesing being overstated
Just be sure to remmember what prime numbers are 
Every time I get Ivalice in alliance roulette I get a feeling so poggers
also dread
Do you have the data on what it was before the changes?
So why is DNC and BRD theoretically higher numbers than MCH
A friend and I are have a debate if SAM needed a buff.
I said yes, he said they are strong enough.
Considering the only thing they're bringing to the table is selfish dps..
I think it should have buffs
Because the dev team has this idea that phys ranged is the party buffer and forget MCH has no party buffs
I think people were hoping for a 100 potency buff on Drill and Air Anchor?
When it comes to MCH it honestly feels like a bit of an issue atm in terms of balancing
It got 20 potency buff for air anchor, drill and chainsaw
nope, sorry
I'm satisfied with where SMN is rn
You can check fflogs for that data and filter by date
Agreed. But we are in a debate about a few changes. He wanted more buffs for Sum and I wanted a few more for Blm.
True.
Yeah MCH is the new meme
is fflog already up to latest patch?
Thats not true
BLM already kinda stronk
Mch adps was at least 1.3k more than dnc
No way the buffs will make it out dps in adps
It should still be prepatch since act hasnt been updated yet
Thank you
Did someone ping me
That's not from today though 

Mystery solved
How is the new Data Center Lyon
Here Lance lol
I only poked my head in for a few minutes
It’s wilding
so literally everyone lvl 1 in Oceanic DC?
@gaunt star ye cause transfers arent open yet
i should make an alt to start a coil static
Look only in the crucible of pain can you be forged into a perfect being
@proper zealot should probably spoiler that
This comic just made the artist even better
Any solid confirmation on if Ten is better than Det right now for Tanks?
Definitely not
Sastasha Ultimate (entire msq spoilers)
WoL's Journey Ultimate
Do every Dungeon and main trial without deaths or fails
Copperbell mines but longer
the turret section from stone vigil hard 20 times in a row
noooo
IT BEGINS
OCE is now officially known as cosplay RP
Ah yes The graha tia breeding grounds
Interestingly... ||Meteion should've been much bigger than us when we returned to the present||
||Like... she's the same height scaled to Eorzeans/Etherians(?) as when she was scaled to the ancients/ascians despite the latter supposedly being much bigger than the former||
Again I say...
||a 20ft birb girl visting the namazu or their long lost relatives would be a mess||
So ||she can change her size at will with dynamis, stop thinking too hard. You'll hurt yourself||
Speaking of visitng other races
||In the Final lv 80 dungeon, did Meteion technically cause the destruction on that Freedom Fighters world? From the data logs, it seems that the group of people she first met thought themselves as special since an alien graced them with their presence first, which inadvertently lead to the war||
|| have you ever read a young adult novel, it seems there was that kinda stuff going on alreadly then she showed up to one side and they thought they were like choosen ones and fought even harder ||
Oh no
||Metetion: I love both of you but I can’t choose. You’re the rich supplier who’s the reason we’ve gotten so far. But he, he’s ripped. It’s such a difficult decision||
lmao
And then that one guy ||fires the nukes||, and we never think about that ||planet|| ever again
lol g'day tia
Yamero
That would be so sick
finally a proper FF7 referance
wtf is this
@astral raven its radz!
magical architects be like
whoos breeding who here
graha
the gods have answered my prayers
I’ve seen people simp over ||erenville||, but have there been people simping over ||loifa, the viera guy from the sage quest?||
Once DWU is released, will people use the abbreviation based on the official ultimate name, or use the same “DWU” acronym like UWU
Cause TEA and UCOB are based on the official name, but people prefer UWU over TWRU
We will see
Eh... I kinda wanted to slap ||Loifa|| for being as uhhelpful as possible over the course of the quests.
||Why are you defending that evil man?||
||Proceeds to attack without explaining himself.||
but Tias arent breeders. how do they keep multiplying
Biggest G’raha
g'raha nuhn isnt really a nuhn, cause he never breeded
Graha 'you wouldn't know her she goes to a diffrent school'
||i thought loifa was the sage trainer, but he's not||
|| maybe ||
All you need is one very horny male and a pack of females.
Scientifically speaking.
No joke they should add dungeon EXs
Also, if a Nunh is genetically predisposed to siring male children he'll keep doing so over and over again I reckon. If he is constantly producing more Y sperm than X sperm he'll have a lot of sons (Henry VIII was on the opposite end, having mostly daughters). But the Doylist reason? People like playing cat boys :p
pls dont
Can someone tell me how I can increase mount speed in the new 6.0 zone?
fate rank 2 and then buy riding map from gemstone trader
just noticed i have 💩 mount speed on both shb and ew zones
if if you have flying unlocked anyway mount speed doesnt really matter
^
I feel like parts of endwalker’s story is yoship’s commentary on Covid 19
||the blasphemies, final days, the first area of the final dungeon||
What if it’s ishikawa’s way of showing her opinion and thoughts on Covid
Definitely how Zenos met us
I dunno. I think it was "bad vibes" in general.
And a commentary on twitter
I think it could be seen as how Twitter is toxic
I think this isn’t the first time ||despair and nihilism is the final boss|| in the ff universe
the enemy being despair and the protagonist(s) representing hope seems to be a common jrpg trope. I can name like 3 series off the top of my head including FF that's used it more than once
its a classic jrpg thematic dichotomy
quite a bit from ff14 is ripped straight from/heavily based on a multitude of things from various games in the franchise
i think you are correct with that statement
i actually found out from the wiki that there were ||villains other than meteion that represent nihilism and despair, like necron from ff9, CoD and xande from ff3, kefka from 6||
ff3 does a really bad job at displaying the CoD as being an icon of despair
it’s literally just “this is the leader of the darkness”
im so happy i got my first ever savage clear
nice
Attaching a theme to a boss and calling it a copy is slightly unfair considering a lot of theme have been explored already.
I messed up at intemperance and got my team a damage down and then we wiped at 0.1% enragez😂😂😂
For p1s
i had the same thoughts on the before the final area of the game ||you ride a dog on the moon 😠 ||
||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21jakeJ2_BY|| endwalker all
Original Video:
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didnt YoshiP said that the story was thought out like long ago . Back in 2.0
so i guess it's more like when anyone sees pestilence and plagues now, they say "hahaha it's covid 19 uh oh"
were people wanting soken to make a different piece for the final boss?
i was in the last area and with the ||omicrons, my thoughts were "i bet with the names of delta, lambda and omicron it's going to scare the crap out of someone on social media because of covid variants"||
Yeah I thought the same thing lmao like someone is gonna think way too hard about this
never again will we see greek letters the same
“The greeks predicted it, but how?” - internet man
i think even all the way back to ||when we return to thavnair and the final days happen i thought "uh oh, will someone say ichikawa is doing this as a reference to covid, with the quarantine and stuff?"||
I feel like people don’t understand || that they’ve had this all planned for years lmao ||
was yoshi p planning for endwalker to continue or was he planning to have it end there for the first saga?
but yeah if thats the case, its most likely pure coincidence
6.0 story is about ||hopeless|| ,meanwhile covid is about "covid is fake ,lets go around spreading it "
The funny thing? I recall there was an article about how WoW had a bug that caused a "plague" in the game, and how people were trying to quarantine themselves to prevent the bug from spreading, and there were also people trying to spread the bug for lolz
When people said that this had academic value in studying how the human race can react in the event of an epidemic, gamers were laughing it off saying that it's unrealistic because people would never spread it for fun... ... ... right?
Every Plague movie is unrealistic
The Wikipedia article even connected that incident to Covid because scientists I think are using that as a way to understand how Covid spreads
But anyways
I would say the most scarily realistic movie to portray how the human race would react to any given threat, is "Don't look up"
Despite it being a satirical movie, i couldn't laugh at it, and actually became angry because of how i can't deny it...
It's not a plague movie, but it's probably the most realistic one...
If they dont portray ppl mass buying toilet paper its not realistic 
I was gonna say most of the stuff was pretty jrpg normal
But just told with bettercoherency
that's the thing with stories in general
most stories have already been told
a new/unheard story isn't necessarily good either. It's all down to how its told
tell a known story, subvert some expectations or build a better world. Just avoid being overly-tropish and not committing the proper time to your payoffs/plot.
Well, that and many people probably haven't heard the stories...for example, people who weren't previously exposed to tons of jrpg content. I know FF appeals to that crowd, but part of its charm is also being accessible to a more general audience, imo.
@slate ridge people were discussing themes of like nihilism and how if one person does a theme first now every future person just copied it.
Which is dumb
So you're saying our beloved dev team is slowly inheriting the powers of the Simpsons writers?



@obsidian notch use spoiler tags in this channel, please.
My bad
I've just realized something. . . ||Upon meeting her, Meteion tells us, I wish only to HEAR your words, share your FEELings and know your THINKs.|| (blue bird spoilers ig dont click if you dont know who/what im talking about)
o yea that was very pronounced
the three things themselves or the way i said the 3rd thing
Im not sure what the connection is but that was definitely intentional writing 😄
i thinks so too
hot take for endgame endwalker: ||even discounting the 6 free revives you get, the last fight against zenos is less difficult than normal titan||
estinien voice actor changed didnt it
Nope
huh maybe hes just not been around enough
i know that cid's voice actor changed sometime around shb and i swear it's still jarring how different it is
Cid has been voiced by Gwilym Lee since HW. Not sure what happened between then and now to make his voice change so drastically but he hasn't been recast.
wait, really???
Age
Yeah he's in the credits as such lol
It’s been like 9 years
with how different it is, i'd have sworn it was a different guy
Cid has been huffing too much cereleum
I have to say, of all the EW Role quests, only the Healer's one had an interesting storyline
the rest were pretty... meh... alhough ranged DPS quest seemed pretty good at around the halfway point
I enjoyed Healer and Ranged Phys DPS the most too, yes
(I stilll think Doma needing Phys Ranged is an odd choice tho)
melee dps and tank so far is eh, although a few interesting lore tidbits
every role quest can be summarized as wrapping up loose ends from past expacs
Looks at a few more loose ends that needs to be wrapped
The healer one was good 
Healer and tanks
Caster was so forced...
I’ll be doing melee or ranged in a week or so
The man now sounds like he smokes five packs a day
I loved his ARR voice it was so fitting with how cute he is
mess up dark fires on 3rd circle by doubling up with someone, leaving one fire uncovered by aoe
Causes group to wipe
Type in chat "hey guys all fires need to be covered :)"
Devilish
Man I'm still not level 90 for most of the role quests lol
what is the point of the role quests if I've got moonward
dyeable af gear
Also, story.
I saw someone say he had throat surgery but don't quote me on that.
holy fug SMN feels strong in PotD
Random Showerthought: Endwalker is very much like TAZ balance in aspects...
unless you're playing a tank, you actually only have 3? revives
since you're basically guaranteed to lose one on phase shifts
as you don't gain control until right at the end of the first mechanic of the next phase
You lose one, but you still have 5 uses
I agree that titan normal is prolly harder
But it just more punishing
We have to think about the common denominator, dumb people
what's the shire range gear called?
Just look for the dex stuff
Ty
https://twitter.com/IGN/status/1486738529019379713 ||Greetings and salutations! Can you hear me? Do not be alarmed—I mean you no harm. I wish only to hear your words, share your feelings, and know your thoughts. May we please be friends?||
Scientists have spotted a "spooky" celestial object blasting out radio signals, three times an hour, about 4,000 light-years away from Earth. https://t.co/fWTjyhgt5y
719
4840
Um... isn’t this like half of the discovered planets and stars?
There’s a lot of radio chatter in space
Someone really needs to mashup || the Zodiark theme|| with Space Jam.
when the expansion starts with politics 
I hate this game 😭😭😭😭😭😭
||just finished the world unsundered storyline and I'm 😭😭😭😭||
oh no, if you're breaking there...
Oh
good luck getting through the finale
This is where I stay then
How to check if I already did Pandemonium this week? I completely forgot
in duty finder, look for "rewards already received"
I see
like so
the tank line is literally a conjurer class quest line retread, which is.. wild.
I didn't even read the class quests at level 90.... they were nowhere as interesting as the shadowbringers ones imo
the phys ranged one was pretty good
outside of that, just a lot of deep lore stuffs on chars that we didnt cover in EW
EW gave us more lore on kan'e senna than the rest of the expacs lmao
Question during the lv 83? i think MSQ cutscene || The one where you met all the people who will go to garlemald, Was there supposed to be a scene where alberic acknowledged you like the same with the rest of the job quest npcs ( Like the WHM guy ) ? Cause I thought something was missing when that happen and I probably thought maybe if I didn't buy a jump potion for DRG he would have acknowledged me ||
Or was there supposed to be none and I am overthinking this
||i know estinein mentions that they'ed rather show their prowess on the field first rather than "chit chat", or something along those lines||
|| Yeah i got that too, was just wondering if there was any more ||
maybe after that? i never really checked myself
he might comment a bit on it after finishing msq
i was making a ff14 joke with that tweet but its spoilers

mommy
Such a cool credits scene tbh
omg i want to report this sch i just saw in P3N, using physick and like literally almost never casting anything else
pretty much just afk in the middle of the fight
not even a healbot, he's an omnicrafter, idk what he was doing tho
frustrating as heck
||You can talk to him. If you haven't done the Level 50 DRG quest, you won't be able to talk to him.||
Only thing I'll say here until I'm done with 6.0, here I go
https://youtu.be/1_G-UA2_hTM I love the bunnies
Seriously, it conveys so much visually
The bunnies marked the point where EW gets good and stays good 😄
So many people dislike the Loporrits for being plucky comic relief.
Not sure why though.
Can't have Endwalker be all doom and gloom or we stop caring.
I’ve yet to ever actually speak to one of these people who supposedly hate loporrits
I think it's more people hate the pacing of the story at that section
||"alright you killed god whats next" bnuuy||
protip: turn on the bgm for dead ends
Imagine not having music on during the final stretch
at least the bunnies are adorable af
also after the high point of ||killing Zodiark|| you need some time to wind down a bit
After every big section of stress and crazy they did give us time to wind down during ew I guess there's people who don't like that I don't know
i preferred the overall tempo of 5.0 compared to 6.0
but also 6.0 was longer and i kinda bulldozed through it since i wanted to avoid spoilers
5.0's tempo was super well set out but I'm putting that up to the really neat structure they set up for themselves with each region has a lightwarden/we're picking up scions as we go along/we're making our way to Big Bad
5.0 was very much a diff story like well duh but like idk how to put it in words exactly, it was a very jrpg plot? like it dealt with taking down the big bads Light Wardens and unveiling the secerts of our long time villains and defeating them once and for all, ew goes for somthing different
imo 5.0 was a departure from the basic ARR storyline they started with so they prolly had more creative freedom
endwalker's impressive because it ties off what we don't know and ends the storyline that they had to start with in a fashion I think
the only part tht felt padded was 2nd trip to ame arang
trolleys
and even then the stuff post trolley is great
yes
tbh I didn't mind it that much but it did feel slower than the rest but the minfilia development and leadup to not-minfilia made it good
idk, at some point i mean to re-do the storyline
the goddamn "kill 7 worms" quest was just ugh
EW isnt about and ill tag it here i guess || it wasnt a story about taking down the big bad and revealing over an enemy like shb and much a story about its own themes even the final boss isnt really a huge villain who needs to be stopped exactly but more so the very theme concept and embodiment of despair itself ||
gonna be honest I forgot that quest
I'd say that's about as JRPG as you can possibly get
SHB wasn't really about that either seeing as we had a shit ton of sympathy
yeah thats why like im not sure how to put it in words
none of the villains were very basic one faced

yeah
he was done wrong
I stand by that
I expected more from him
I hope pandaemonium does him more justice
I hope so, but I don't see how unless one of the wings is in modern day.
I wanna rematch
shb has very human antagonists and ew is more so a thematic force? sure
Friends have had theories that ||eric is our laha and his father will be a panda boss|| panda
Just over 2 weeks to the next live letter
I think EW is very human in the sense of cheesy theme of ||despair and the humanity of people struggling over it.. or something. and meteion. something something meteion's humanity||
Hopefully one of the questions is going to be about Island Sanctuaries
I hope Crystal Conflicts is fun.
No news on that this liveletter, that's March's or the one after
This one is mostly a roadmap
Yes, which is in April at the earliest right now
nearly everything is dropping in 6.1 there's gonna be so much shit
6.1, the actual expansion launch
I hope they announce like, the general direction of the story. Meracydia, New World, Corvus and all that.
Crystal Conflict, Empyreum housing opens, Myths of the Realm....
Any announcing new Trust memebers.
i hope farm stuff is cool and has a lot to grind and just do
And an Ultimate too.
Corvus is going to be Diadem/Bozja/Eureka
will we still get a .3 trial?
Eh, that's cleared in a day and the vast majority of the playerbase stops caring, just like Savage
?
Will be fun to watch.
Meh
Toxic casual
Literally the only part of it that interests me is the final phase change
sure thing man, np
Have zero interest in watchin the streams and people just repeating the same call outs over and over and over
you don't have to watch it at all
or play it for that matter
sure is cool so much is dropping tho
Was I talking to you?
i think we'll get a .3 trial but it wont be msq
I was responding to Lesti's comment
Also you know people are just going to be selling clears and pilotings of it again within a month or two
Anyway, I sure hope Myths of the Realm will be fun.
finally gonna cover what the 12 are
It's a coinflip when it comes to alliance raids.
Going to be looking forward to the seeing the reactions to all the people who think the Twelve are actual gods find out they aren't XD
Either it's fine or it's pain
its pretty clear now God(s) dont exist in 14 at least not man made ones
nymeia please step on me
Yea that too.

I wonder if
nophica..
Well at least the story will be infinitely better than Nier's
even 0000.1% of effort is better then what neir did
I hope it isn't primals
.... We're Azem...
old azem
turns out a shell of azem still exsits without the soul
I think it'd be cool to have it be tied to the ancients, one being named Azemya makes me want to see something come of it
i can see that
Also doubt it, since Azem's appearance is supposedly based on us
That'd take a lot of unique rigging to fit every character creation combination
they can do whatever the fuck they want with the boss, they could make it look like a sun
an Orb™
omza 3
thalls balls better be as good as its hyped up
In before Halone was a guy originally who was just really good with spears
halone is that drg who talks about butts
It would be cool if the bosses weren't any of the 12, but like based on the original FF creation myth or some other kind of myth
Well they won't be the 12, just related to who/what created the myths
Instead of fighting Zeus, we are helping Hercules fight the Nymian Lion or something.
Since the 12 don't exist
remember when we thought 14 had gods fun days
Not really
If we had gods they should have been stepping in a LOT more often to help with all these problems, instead of... well never
I find it weird how we have a patron deity
given how much god beating wol does they don't seem religious to any degree
we really only beat up gods that fuck with other people
also, alliance raid may allow us to beat them up 🙂
that's still gods in general, the general concept of them as deities of help and assistance
it's weird we worshipped one in the first place
even if it was stemming off original XIV
we'll prolly know more about that in the future
well yeah LMAO
it should be like that one boss from conkers bad fur day
nymeia fucks me over in rng now it's time for her to fuck me over literally
I still want the gimmicky personal responsibility mechanic where you're put in a spot and have to resolve a mechanic based on what your patron deity is
The 12 are actually aliens who genetically designed us and became objects of deification as a result.
i'm not sure we'll be fighting gods, i mean to think about Menphina the goddess of love, how are they going to make her appear ? like a succubus throwing hearts to you so you'd be charmed everytime aka Lakshmi 2.0 ?
sounds good to me
If she’s as hot as Lakshmi I don’t have any complaints. 
Once the Warrior of Light brought Hope, now they killed love
Maybe if we bargain with them they’ll help Gaius realize he loves my WOL

I want menphina to just be minfilia, but actually interesting. Biggest twist of century
Does the main hall in the Baldesion Annex actually populate with more posters if you've done more side stories?
hey guys how long did it take you to clear your first ||asphodelos savage run|| on duty finder? I'm 5 ilvl over the minimum but no balls to queue as tank and i cant believe youtube guides turn from 3 minutes normal to 15 for savage
Don’t use duty finder for Savages
what if the twelve||are just creations the ancients made after hearing about the wol and thinking it was a familiar with a soul||
||Minds got wiped||, remember
||everyone else remembered you only the ones inside that dungeon forgot ||
oh, what should I do instead?
Party finder
thx i will give it a try and report back in 6 hours
?
I'm going to get fucked by nymeia em you heard me
what about nophica and her gentle bosom
nophica's not my deity I'm loyal
i got llymlaen
llymlaen deez nuts
ok
anyway

Don’t do that at all. Use the party finder and find a learning or “fresh prog” party
idk why i thought i could easily snatch the weekly rewards right before the reset ahahahaha
On crystal if you queued now it wouldn't pop at all in the next 20 hours 
It’s possible to queue for it in JP, done that sometimes to fill in when players can’t make it
It’s not bad
What did the hades ex drop upon defeat? If so, ||can it be the same for endsinger ex?||
Honestly I expect the weapons to be kind of lame
They wont glow
Yeah just people who would rather have innocent weapons and I'm like no? Why that would be so generic and boring
No shiny. But can look cool regardless
Innocence weapons would just be sos weapons
Sos weapons sucked to
fucking got this at lunar new year
Just a couple of amazing action shots
I literally cannot imagine how that scene looks for a Lalafell lmao
XD
Some people have screenshottes it with their lalafell characters
i like to imagine that ||lalafells do the mario uppercut on zenos||
They basically do lol
hmm... shouldnt we have been able to see that Heaven on High tower ||from space...||
You must be right cuz when i checked after i sent that message i didnt see any party with more than 1/2 players
idk if party finder is just for my server or includes the entire Crystal though
tbf you cant see the great wall of china from space either
It's very small actually
And very thin
the widest part of the wall is 16.7m /54.8ft 🤔
what about the EX versions of the last 2 ministrel ballads from last patch?
same thing
i will cope with normal gear thanks
just use PF
i sucked 💩 playing heroics on another mmo so im not very confident
you can join prog groups precisely for learning
half of the time they dont even expect to clear lmao
especially on PF
i did 3 practice groups b4 clearing EX2 
took me 4 practice groups to clear EX1
Oh so it's for fun
I will consider it thx
atm my brain is being fried trying to level 5 crafting jobs at a time
Ok but now whats the deal with the mythos books? Am I supposed to buy upgrade materials or the 600 drops?
Whatever you need for your class - it's basically a "bad luck token" so you actually get something provided you clear the content consistently
that shouldn't be hard
as long you have the Gil and food buff
it's not, but i'm trying to hoard on gil, leves (full refills every 16 days :| )
i have mining too but i'm on a questionable server and the part i hate the most is jumping servers to save 20% on gil
Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant.
Loved that scene lmao
In JP people do re-clears in DF
DF uses mainly JP strats so sometimes diff from PF
Hello, some ew story questions ||so basically the amaurotians where too perfect aether capacity wise but also perfect in that they lack the experience of suffering and despair? So there really was no way for them to fight back against meteion, save for stalling towards doom eventually? ||
||Yeah||
Does anyone happen to know where to find Lyse after Endwalker MSQ?
doesn't appear in the overworld
Help i still cant stop the tears ||every time i hear flow||

Also i think the stuff ||zenos said post final trial about that desire for more hits harder after finishing the game because now i am on copium for a good game and story|| 
If game for fun, why am sad

Ending spoiler incoming: ||Considering MNK is a "punch things" class, you'd think a MNK WoL would be at least a tiny bit more effective against Zenos in the ending, after they both lose their weapons||.
||youve entered manly punch out mode, damage is normalized across the board, there is only willpower||
||I activated Brotherhood just before the cutscene, the damage booster should count|| /s
||Zenos cast dispel||, because fuck you
||Speaking of Zenos and that last cutscene with him, I just replayed that quest/cutscene and all that. Finally noticed that Answers, the song played with ARR's announcement trailer makes a reprise in piano. My heart hurts.||
the biggest revelation of endwalker is that ||we've been playing to the tune of answers this whole time||
||they been building this up since warcraft 3 1.0||
||Exactly. Literally the entire song was 10 years of content.||
Counter point:
||LIQUIIIIIIDDDDD||
||SNAAAAAKKKKEEEE||
🤣
Ok i have a confession to make so i saw the art spoiler ||that you see at the end of the cutscenes with the scions and the ancients walking through and I thought hermes w/the bird was the wol so I thought xiv would pull a nier and have us wipe our existence from present time(in the pic alphi is leading everyone who looks happy) and have us stay in the past to fix sht || that was rly sad and im glad i was wrong
you know how ||when you defeat zodiark in the msq and the final days start again, you hear a voice afterwards. is that meteion you hear?||
||yes||
Do not click if you're not through endwalker, or level 90 ish in the MSQ
||as Lyon pointed out, yes. The Final Days you're experiencing then is Meteion's Song of Oblivion, not something caused by Zodiark||
yes is the answer
So like... when in Radz, when the ||Alchemists made grabby hands to Estinien, do we have an emote for that?||
uh anyone know what this is?
sightseeing node, use /lookout on it
oh dope ty
I love how Alphinaud is just slapping a training dummy. Boosted sage 
That's what I did when I boosted SMN
Then again, it is probably the easiest job in the game, so it's not as if I was missing out much on the learning process.
Simps.
the best fans
well he has to master the nauliths
after all its a job change
He should skim some Balance guides
Hopping in her to ask one thing then dipping so I don’t get spoiled by anything
||What’s the song that plays when the alchemists at the Great Work wake up? It sounds super familiar but not||
(Thavnair)
Yoooooo, G'raha wears Urban glam
You’d think Worst Fortemps Boy would be used to the cold smh
He's the biggest nerd in a nation that prides itself on being made up entirely of nerds.
I swear I know this song
But at the same time I don’t
||radz at han day theme||
He is the worst for multiple reasons, this included
He’s the only named ishgardian that bothered to come and help us, no other high house or even another fortemp came to help, that makes him the best ishgardian, the only one willing to help the wol
This is already the best expansion.
Does Aymeric count
Just to ask where abouts in the ew msq are you



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