retired-patch-6-3-discussion

[weary rampart]

||why didnt they just park the darn ship in front of Sharlayan ||

[heady lily]

I'm rewatching some of endwalkers cutscenes, and I wonder how Fandaniel || knew about the final days by killing Zodiark, did he know about Meteion? or just that without zodiarks power the same thing would happen again? I think the answer might be simple, but I thought I would posit the question all the same. For discussions sake ||

[weary rampart]

||Zodiark was originally created to prevent final days , also he retain some memories from his previous life ||

[cunning lodge]

I'm right before the last trial: ||Zenos is a dragon? wtf?? When was that revealed?||

[mint sail]

||stormblood||

[cunning lodge]

In what way was that revealed? Can you refresh my memory please?

I don't remember that at all, maybe I skipped it accidentally

[mint sail]

||he merges with Shinryu as the final trial of 4.0||

[cunning lodge]

Damn I have no recollection of that, thank you!

[kind bronze]

Do u guys also have problems with the T2 extreme fight? That it is so bright that ur eyes start burning after a few runs? Even tho blue filter is pretty high and screen brightness at 0
Even after sleeping it feels sore o.o
I maybe shouldn't farm the mount

[weary rampart]

no , the brightness only pump up for that 1 skill after adds phase

[kind bronze]

Hm i always have problems after this fight and usually i don't 🤔

Weird world

[violet maple]

The fact that canonically 6 months have gone by

Means the WoL has a really exciting albeit dangerous life if something of this scale can happen in 6 months

[violet maple]

||he mentioned seeing the moment that happened at the 87 dungeon on repeat before regaining the fandaniel memories during his life as amon||

[untold forum]

are || hermes, amon and fandaniel the same person? the story in endwalkers is so confusing and convoluted||

[wet crown]

The story didn't take place over 6 months.
The story took place over 6 months and more.

[untold forum]

just defeated ||amon in EW and he mentions he was hermes but cant remember you, but then he mentions he was a fandaniel too so i dunno||

just all very confusing and unnecessarily complicated

[wet crown]

||Amon is Amon. He, like any sundered Ascian, received the memories of his unsundered self. He is not Hermes.||

[untold forum]

||but he was hermes before being sundered? who sundered him?||

[blazing edge]

huh?

did you play shadowbringers?

[untold forum]

yeah but how am i supposed to remember every detail 2 years later

from every cutscene

[blazing edge]

it's a pretty major detail that Hydaelyn sundered the world into parts

[wet crown]

how did you forget that

[untold forum]

i remember that but why was he converted to ||amon and become evil||

[wet crown]

||he's a different person
he didn't become evil, he just is an asshole||

[blazing edge]

||Hermes got sundered -> Amon inherits his sundered soul -> Amon gets Hermes' memories during Allag||

[untold forum]

||different person? he just said he was hermes|| in this cutscene...also ||asahi appeared for no reason really even though hes been dead and forgotten||

[untold forum]

oh ok that makes sense but ||amon did that because of...reasons?||

[blazing edge]

||Because he's an evil dick||

[untold forum]

||the story is just all so confusing because the same ppl are different people and mention other lives in past so its all very confusing||

[balmy cedar]

||Fandaniel is a seat on the convocation, it's the name of the position.||
||Hermes was the Fandaniel at the time of the final days, when he was sundered.||
||One of the sundered soul shards of Hermes, which lost all their memories, was reborn as Amon, who lives out his life as Amon.||
||Emet then gave back the memories of Hermes to Amon, and rose him up to the seat of Fandaniel.||
||Amon rejects these memories and believes himself to be a different person and acts differently than Hermes.||

[blazing edge]

its not that confusing to me but i understand that it might be different to you

and yea Altina has a pretty good summary

[untold forum]

ok altinas simplified version makes sense lol

i wish the game just told you like that lol

[blazing edge]

it pretty much did

this aint kingdom hearts

[high swan]

Listen. If you want a good story just read a book man

Any book

[pulsar current]

are you sure any book

[high swan]

[open verge]

||xande||

||amon just comes to the same conclusion about life that xande does||

[open verge]

||asahi doesn’t appear for no reason 😂 asahi was in the aetherial sea like all the other people you see in the dungeon
He’s just pissed Amon used his body to betray Zenos which makes perfect sense for his character||

||I mean this is the same guy that killed his mother father and sister because of Zenos you think he wouldn’t send some guy to hell because he used his body to betray someone he loved so much ||

Editing it to be less dickish sry

I’m just cranky the first time I wake up

[tropic frigate]

||rhitatyn was there with his double shield which is funny and livia as well illberd so of course dead people would make an appearance for occasions like this||

[untold forum]

I didn’t notice lol

So many spell effects going on hard to see any of it

[weary rampart]

ah that dungeon , how many wipe i seen during the ||shiva|| mechanic

[untold forum]

I got wiped sooooo many times in the ||hydalyn|| trial

Just finished it…how long do I have left if I only do the remaining msq?

[open verge]

A few hours

That’s near the end amigo

[untold forum]

Also I don’t really get why ||she had to die really? Just don’t challenge the party to a test she could have lived lol||

[open verge]

||shes incredibly weak so she wanted to see if you were going to be capable beating meteion||

[untold forum]

This first level 89 msq quest has had ||two trials and is easily two hours alone||

[untold forum]

||Why was she weak though ||

Also is there any raids in this expansion? Do they unlock after finishing the msq

I noticed some trophies for one I think

[open verge]

Pay attention to the story bruh😭😭

[untold forum]

Also I don’t get why I challenged ||hydalen and Amon near my new ship are they just hanging around this area all the time and chilling?…I thought that dungeon was cool but it happened right next to the same area I’ve been at for ages, so there was no threat from all those enemies right next to my spaceship…weird||

[next quarry]

||the also accessed that area from the dravanian hinterlands||

[untold forum]

||I did lol still dunno why she was all weak and stuff but had all that power in the fight and why she really needed to sacrifice herself right then||

[next quarry]

Remember arr?

[wind bough]

||Millennia of containing Zodiark as he grew in strength. You’ve always known she’s been weak. Couldn’t even speak for a long time.||

[next quarry]

||Lahabread said she was weak||

[untold forum]

Not really it’s been 10 years

[wind bough]

||Bro you were nowhere near. You went straight to the core of the planet.||

[untold forum]

||oh the game didn’t really make it obvious|| they really need to update this engine

[wind bough]

||She was using the very last of her power which she had saved for this test.||

The game made it pretty obvious ngl

[untold forum]

I see

[open verge]

I mean ||krile is literally yelling the entire dungeon how deep you are going into the planet||

[untold forum]

Oh I had the washing machine on :p

And stroking my cat

[stiff charm]

:i wasnt paying attention but why is this happening the game should make it clearer"

[untold forum]

I was trying to pay attention but like I said there were battles going on and all sorts of spell effects

It’s not the best place for story lore

[open verge]

Do you not read the names of the enemies you hit

[untold forum]

I mean I get the gist of the story ||some ai robot wants to know the meaning of life but can’t see the point of living after visiting planets as they all destroy themselves through war and stuff, so she calls forth this calamity called the final days to end stuff as that’s what she sees in life which is fine, but the fact the this ai anime puppet girl had the power to do that in itself is both far fetched and ridiculous but it’s still cool as it’s well written ||

[untold forum]

Nah I don’t bother reading names unless it’s bosses

Or if it’s in cutscenes obviously or outside battles

[open verge]

||her strong emotions leads to her being able to use crazy amounts of dynamis which is why she’s so powerful||

Atleast that’s how interpret it

[tropic frigate]

||it might be due to her being made of pure dynamis that she was eventually able to do it? Someone might explain it better than me plus its possibly a combination of her sisters||

[untold forum]

||yeah the dynamis thing kinda come out of nowhere like one of those plot things just to put in to progress the story what’s that word….deus ex machina I think or a macguffin||

A lot of games do that though tbf

[lean ore]

|| Hermes explained she has very little Aether so that she can interact with Dynamis ||

[tropic frigate]

o

[open verge]

Oh yea I forgot that

[thorny flax]

||dynamis has already been foreshadowed in the omega and dancer questline. It doesn't come out of nowhere||

[tropic frigate]

||does drk count||

[wind bough]

I’d say so

[open verge]

Oh yeaaaa

Dancer does hint it

[lean ore]

Also Limit Break 😌

[tropic frigate]

tru

[open verge]

How is limit break?

[pulsar current]

Shake ass to increase DPS 🙏

[lean ore]

Implied at some point in EW

[tropic frigate]

||in the boss using tank lb the boss will say "dynamis?"|| ew final boss spoiler

[wind bough]

Also ||it’s less “Meteion has this enormous power” and more that she’s just a conduit for it. The opposing force of Endwalker is just the overwhelming despair of countless dead and dying worlds. Meteion was affected by them and their despair is channeled through her. In a way, she’s helpless to stop this—her nature is such that she feels what others feel.||

[open verge]

Oh really

That’s tight

[wind bough]

You also ||have the option to reply mentioning how you break your limits in tough situations in Elpis when talking about Dynamis||

[lean ore]

That part! Thanks Thancredway

[untold forum]

Oh god it’s quests like this that take you out of the the urgency again and they put comedy quests in that are out of place like maybe in ARR but now? Really?…||from fighting a god to going to a boutique for clothes I really wish the game stopped doing this lol||

[next quarry]

||If they constantly had highs then the rest of the game wouldn't be as good, it would just get tiring||

Small breaks is nice

[untold forum]

I guess

I’m itching to finish it lol

[regal lantern]

Isn’t BARD and DNC both Dynamis?

[tropic frigate]

Whats interesting about bard to me now is ||ballad of oblivion||

[lean ore]

now they can seperate classes to Aether and Dynamis pog

[untold forum]

What raids are there on EW and how do I access them

[cloud roost]

Currently, there's only the normal mode of Pandæmonium. You access it through a quest () in Old Sharlayan, called The Crystal from Beyond.

[next quarry]

Have to beat 6.0 msq first

[untold forum]

Is that after you beat the msq

Oh ok

Didn’t read flowers comment lol

[spare python]

Anyone else getting a 4th stone sea sky entry for Endwalker in Japanese? If so what fight is it?

[humble heron]

Panda circle 1 iirc

Will likely be fixed on tuesday

[spare python]

Ah, regular or savage? Or do we not know?

[humble heron]

I mean probably reg

It could be savage thou i dunno

Im sure someones translated it

[hollow acorn]

do we have any idea if there will be a doorboss in P4S? anything datamined in that regard?

[cloud roost]

i wouldn't have imagined the game has savage stuff in the files already

but then i dont datamine so

[vocal bear]

I mean, it would make sense because Pandæmonium is in the game now.

[next quarry]

Panda as a whole

Panda savage has diff fights in SSS

[granite nimbus]

||Heck, Meteion's song was foreshadowed in the HW Bard questline as the Ballad of Oblivion.||

||And we regularly break our mortal limits through nothing but courage and determination.||

[next quarry]

||I don't think they thought that far ahead||

Maybe but I doubt it

[open verge]

Same

[hollow wraith]

I have no doubt in my mind that Square had at least the plot beats figured out since ARR

[dim sigil]

Lol no

[humble heron]

I would say HW is the earliest

But i have no idea

[next quarry]

I'd assume that by 3.4 they ironed out the lore

[gaunt star]

Hey guys how many years gave passed since ARR? Ingame I mean

Is it like 4?

[indigo shale]

not even 1

[next quarry]

Time bubble

[indigo shale]

roughly about 6-7 months

[gaunt star]

Wait... seriously???

I know ShB had some time shenanigans but before that... didn't that happen over a longer time?

[tulip geyser]

I love the DansGame reaction to pretty much every question about how much time its been in game
||(Dont worry me too, sometimes)||

[gaunt star]

Huh, so getting a ||night visitation from Y'shtola|| is the fastest I got past a base in life

[next quarry]

||I picked thancred||

[pulsar current]

i think the literal only time they reference specific years is during the ARR relic quest, drake says its been 2 years they got the order for the teapots

[gaunt star]

Everyone picked their waifu/husbando so obviously everyone has different picks.

I especially avoided spoilers for this so I could experience it first hand. 100% worth it

[gaunt star]

No idea what it refers to

[pulsar current]

which part

[gaunt star]

The teapot

Was it ordered pre calamity? Or something?

Honestly I'm confused about the time flow on the story

[pulsar current]

in 2.0 gerolt is filling a massive order of teapots from rowena

[fringe grotto]

What is a doorboss and why does everyone want one

[gaunt star]

OK and?

[pulsar current]

in 2.55 you actually make a super fancy teapot

uh

1 sec

Kettle Knuckles Nexus, thats what its called

so the joke is that this weapon came out in like 2.55, a whole two years after 2.0

so the orginal order wasnt filled

at all

its effectivly a throwaway joke

[gaunt star]

2 years ingame or irl

[pulsar current]

both? sorta

its referancing 2 years irl

[gaunt star]

Im just trying to figure out long has my character known the scions, and simped for Yshtola since he met her in 2.0 😂

[pulsar current]

honestly, just headcanon it

[wet crown]

!faq timebubble

[lusty shadow]

How much time has passed in the story?

Final Fantasy XIV's story is contained in what's referred to as a ''time bubble''. This means that calendar time does not move forward—no matter how far you are in the MSQ, you will still be told that the Calamity was 5 years ago, and the characters have not been shown to age.
Developer Michael-Christopher Koji Fox (Localisation Direction and World Lore Creation) compares the scenario to a television show like the Simpsons: over 30 years on TV, and Bart Simpson's still ten years old.

''You mean the whole story took less than one year? That's impossible!''
The time bubble primarily exists as a contrivance so that the devs can avoid avoid having to update the open world and minor quests to reflect time passing and child characters aging, etc., not to be a limitation.
Feel free to ''headcanon'' the story to have taken however long it feels to you.

N.B. as characters' ages are not shown as having changed during the story, characters who were minors at the beginning of the story are still considered minors of the same age. Please keep this in mind when discussing such characters.

[gaunt star]

.....

Shit that makes it worse

Well, at least we know minimum of 2 years passed

[strange wing]

Yup

The WoL does not sleep

Because all the jobs are canon

[jolly sierra]

i mean the wol does canonically sleep

[strange wing]

Okay we seem them sleep 8 times

[sick kiln]

That is true, it does happen

[gaunt star]

A TEST OF YOUR REFLEXES

Hmm... tbh, 3-4 years passing during the whole MSQ isn't too far fetched

[sick kiln]

I would agree, I think anything in the realm of 2-4 years is pretty reasonable

[indigo shale]

well 2 years hasnt passed since the start of 2.0, its still been under a year since the WoL began adventuring

[chilly bluff]

Even in EW they say it’s been only five years since 1.0

[indigo shale]

the only time a passage of years has passed is between 1.0 and 2.0

where 1.0 players were teleported 5 years into the future

[gaunt star]

The devs said that it will always be vague so they don't have to change shit... so we can kinda ignore that part 😂

[chilly bluff]

Yes it’s confusing. Yes it’s nonsensical. But that’s just how it’s done here.

[indigo shale]

so for now and forever everything will be done in under 1 year, unless they plan to change that, but i dont think they will as thats a lot of work for something not that important

[gaunt star]

Tbh, I think it's fine if they don't mention how much time has passed, but eventually I think the twins won't be shrimps

[sick kiln]

Actually it could be quite cute if they made some time pass after this current arc is complete

[gaunt star]

I think it will cuz end of major arc

[indigo shale]

i dont think it will

[jolly sierra]

yoshi p pls give the wol a break

PLEASE

[indigo shale]

the most break the WoL has had was 3 months in SB on the boat

[gaunt star]

Imagine a dating expansion

[jolly sierra]

but nah i dont think they will since pandaemonium is happening

having a timeskip mid pandaemonium would be a bit weird

[gaunt star]

It's a raid... and not even the start of a new expa 😂

[jolly sierra]

its still an ongoing story whats ur point lmao

[indigo shale]

yeah but stuff happens in the current time with it aswell, ||like are we going to tell the researchers in sharlayan, that we are going to risk breaking reality just for some time off||

[vital brook]

Gatherer delivery spoiler ||MAN JUST FUCK ALREADY||

[humble heron]

@vital brook ||i have good news for you, lol||

[vital brook]

yeh they do

[sick kiln]

I have no idea what to spoiler her but I just got to the [EW stuff around level 85/86] ||time travel portion with Elpis and I AM SCREAMING over Emet, I am so happy to see him again 😭 MY BOY. This whole section is everything I could have wanted, I love the Ascians SO FREAKING MUCH.||

[gaunt star]

Same

[obsidian smelt]

|| Who here thinks that we will see zenos again? Before he dies his left arm is still in its enshrouded form. Meaning either A: his avatar will take over his body, or B: he will cheat death again. Thoughts?||

[open verge]

||Don’t know how he would he’s kinda just at the edge of the universe without the form of the dragon to come hither||

[blazing edge]

do we need 4 sword tokens for a weapon?

in the raids i mean

[cloud roost]

i want to say it's 7 tokens

7 tokens and tomestones?

[late aurora]

It’s 7

[noble jetty]

can anyone figure out what the very end of the endwalker quest names are

when they started getting corrupted with non-traditional script

these 2 especially: || "Vic┨οry ̈ ̈ ̈╳, │̆││ε Lost" and "┣┨̈//̈ No┨ΦounΔ••• "||

[wet crown]

||Victory [...] Lost
H[...] Not Found||

[plain ore]

sorry - forgot about spoiler tag

[hollow ice]

for the first one my current theory is something along the lines of
||Victory A chi (ved) [something here] lost||its honestly the hardest one
the other one is just ||Hope not found||

[next quarry]

ohh

i think that first one might refer to

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrrhic_victory

but in different context

||while the losses not being within the war, but as a species itself||

unless its just a coincidence in design

prob is

[prime niche]

(major EW end spoiler) ||Man, it felt great to finally punch Zenos into oblivion||

[graceful oak]

it is weird after you all finished the role quest in EW there is no follow up/ending quest for it. hmmm,

[minor wren]

That's what 6.1 is for

[graceful oak]

i see. then ill just wait. thanks!!

[minor wren]

Basically, all of the role quest will lead up to the questline in 6.1 like what they did in Shadowbringers

[tired oyster]

Just finished the lvl 85 dungeon and. . . . ||I'm gonna have sleep paralysis tonight aren't I?||

[open verge]

On my first playthrough my mom walked in on me doing ex2 and wanted me to get off and buy pizza

Had to tell her I waited 5 years for this moment and would not leave at all 😩

[slate ridge]

||even funnier as a lala||

i wonder if asts now would want to fish for one type of seal instead of three different one because they want the harmony that does damage up

maybe for some its like fishing for balances again in a way

[vital timber]

is it possible to do all the leves with aethete gear?

[next quarry]

oh they changed the name of this aetheryte

[granite nimbus]

Not really? The effects are additive, not exclusive.

Each seal gives you another effect.

The damage buff is all three seals.

[wind bough]

Yeah totally

[vital timber]

ah, nice nice

[wind bough]

If you have melded aesthete gear from Shadowbringers you’re all set until level 90

[vital timber]

Sadly, my gatherer gear isn't melded. XD

my crafter is definitely

[granite nimbus]

You only need to upgrade your main hand for leveling purposes.

[vital timber]

I gotcha

[granite nimbus]

I got from 80-90 with just Handsaint's Gear + upgrading main hand at Level 87.

[vital timber]

gotcha gotcha

what do you usually do? just do the collectibles?

or do you do leves, too?

[humble heron]

Leves poggers

Also slap that studium delivery bell

[vital timber]

I definitely am doing that (for my MIN at least)

[granite nimbus]

Collectibles mainly. Didn't do any gathering leves.

Studium Deliveries helped a ton.

[next quarry]

im still getting my class quests done for crafters

all crafters are level 80

[civic flame]

Trying to get all of my crafters to 80 right now, lowest one is 66

Was nice to have my gatherers all in lv80 scrip gear though

[past hamlet]

Zone 3 spoiler: Remembering the fallen

[glossy hemlock]

[open verge]

Damn endwalker was so good

One of the best zone stories they ever made

[past hamlet]

oh yeah

[cerulean lynx]

forgot to spoiler

||https://twitter.com/Visari_FFXIV/status/1476346795219460097?s=20||

[humble heron]

Zone 3 spoilers and general trigger warning about some heavy shit ||as someone raised in a Jewish household, and having heard from holocaust survivors, I drew parallels between the Garleans and the Nazis. Not to say that the Garleans are as bad, but more of the fact that rampant patriotism can be such a powerful form of brainwashing, in a sense. I felt it was written from a realistic perspective which I appreciated||

[dim sigil]

There's some pretty clear obvious parallels

[pulsar current]

||and thats before comparing how some germans refused aid from the allies||

[zinc rapids]

Did anyone else cry while near the end of EW? or was it just me?

[charred minnow]

||Meteion|| made me cry like a baby near the end.

[past hamlet]

ha

I get it

[zinc rapids]

Tru

[tidal mauve]

||https://fxtwitter.com/Visari_FFXIV/status/1476346795219460097?s=20|| level 87

[charred minnow]

👀

[slate ridge]

are lots of people doing the new raids in pf just to prepare themselves for savage?

[charred minnow]

it could also be to get the tokens they want from drops

[tidal mauve]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/875705833974009876/925983399561293844/unknown.png

[charred minnow]

I think I heard a BLM thing was happenin

what is it specifically

[tropic frigate]

Paradox spam i think

Along with despairs im pretty sure

And the other usual blm tools

[charred minnow]

Cuz I didn't find the level 80 BLM super fun, so I'm curious if I'd enjoy something slightly different

then again I wasn't super familiar with like triplecasts and surecasts and the like, I was a pretty bad BLM

[slate ridge]

so ||even if fandaniel does successfully summon zodiark from the moon, is it still part of his plan to make the scions kill him to start the final days?||

[wet mountain]

Yes

[oblique rain]

Eh, every class is different! I adore BLM, but it was my starting class. I enjoyed it in ShB however it was hard sometimes to keep rotation up in raids and harder content. I feel like it’s much easier now in EW

[charred minnow]

Yeah, I tried it a tiny bit in EW

enocian being automatic feels great

but I'm yet to see any other changes

[oblique rain]

We didn’t used to get two triple cast stacks and it seems minor but it makes a big difference in the feel. It’s easier to cast and dodge aoes now for sure because of it

That’s one I can think of off the top of my head

[slate ridge]

||oh wait, i think in the end, fandaniel was intended to have someone kill zodiark, be it zenos or the wol||

[charred minnow]

ah yeah, I don't think I noticed that cuz I never used triplecast cuz I was dumb

the mentality of not using longer cooldowns because 'what if I need it' is hard to break from

I'm better with this on dancer

just press all the buttons and go brrrrr

[oblique rain]

We all have a our perfect fit, so I get it! I haven’t touched dancer tbh. I picked up reaper a few days ago and I love it

[charred minnow]

Reaper is really fun

[tropic frigate]

I havent gotten dancer to 90 but it feels kinda sadge now

[charred minnow]

at least at the levels it's built around

[tropic frigate]

Aoes no longer with flourish

[charred minnow]

wait what

[slate ridge]

||somehow the wiki suggest it was zenos who summoned the remote to teleport the wol. i wonder what made him do that? probably content with his goal but not the wol?||

[tropic frigate]

You use to get every proc on dancer

[charred minnow]

oh yeah true

[tropic frigate]

And aoes were good on single target

[charred minnow]

I find it easier to fit flourish in with other stuff now

but I can definitely see the sad in not going:

Flourish: attack 1, fan, flourish fan, attack 2, fan, flourish fan, attack 3, fan, flourish fan, attack 4, fan, flourish fan

in the rare instances that happened it was awesome

[open verge]

Yea the change makes flourish less fun

[tropic frigate]

Also does technical step still increase saber?

[open verge]

Not sure

[tropic frigate]

Or is it only ur own attacks

Cuz i havent tested fully

[charred minnow]

I think everyone else gets the esprit buff

[open verge]

They changed esprit generation

[charred minnow]

though I'm not sure if that's the same

[open verge]

It gets buffed at level 84

So more sabers

[charred minnow]

many sabers

sometimes I forget to drain it and fill up which is sad

[tropic frigate]

The only thing that felt quite iffy was when u let a gcd fall off on purpose

[open verge]

You use it at 80+ right?

[tropic frigate]

Cuz you got to click a bunch of better damage

Rather than the gcd

[charred minnow]

yeah, this with flourish was my main issue

like I'm one attack into a combo

and flourish is up so I guess that's not happening

[open verge]

Oh that’s weird

Guess since flourish is shorter it’s not a thing?

[charred minnow]

yeah

[tropic frigate]

Mostly you can do the gcd it was basically dependent on how many sabers you got i think

And standard steps

[open verge]

Flourish gives you fan dance 4 right

[charred minnow]

yeah

the cone

[open verge]

That the skill I get next

I wish standard step got tilana as well

Just because I like pressing the finish button twice

[charred minnow]

hell yeah

I'd prefer tilana if it wasn't on GCD

[open verge]

Fair

You don’t do tilana immediately after standard finish do you

[charred minnow]

I might've been

uhh

whoops(?)

[winged hill]

That Asphodelos 4 song is pretty dang neato

[open verge]

It is

[tropic frigate]

Wish i knew all the lyrics

[open verge]

I’m just asking I’m not sure

[tropic frigate]

I can hear some

[open verge]

I can hear foul creatures

[tropic frigate]

I hear something about pulling back your skin

[open verge]

That’s it

[charred minnow]

knowing the lyrics in a FFXIV raid song is a privilege few can afford

[tropic frigate]

See whats inside

Something about shadows or the halls i think

[charred minnow]

makes sense for the vibe

[open verge]

Dancer is still eh to me

[tropic frigate]

It might be relating to ||pandaemonium|| itself

[open verge]

I think it is

Referring to just what kinda place it is

[winged hill]

Lucifer fight when?????

[tropic frigate]

I should get dnc to 90 and see how it changed

[winged hill]

I think that would be 🤘

[charred minnow]

understandable, no job is for everyone

[open verge]

I like tilana a lot

I just want to be in the steps forever

[charred minnow]

the steps are awesome I love em

[open verge]

I think I’m not a fan of their basic attacks

Like they all feel weightless to me

Which is the point but not my style

[charred minnow]

understandable

which DPSes feel, uhh, heavier in your opinion

[open verge]

Dragoon

[charred minnow]

Might have to give it a try

[open verge]

Monk has some good impact skills as well

[charred minnow]

I'm a big weapon enjoyer in other games I play

[open verge]

Dragoon’s fun

[charred minnow]

mine is level 31

[open verge]

Leveling dragoon is terrible

[charred minnow]

levelling is hard

[open verge]

I’d say dragoon has the worst leveling in the game

[charred minnow]

and I'm dipping my toes in healing via sage atm

[open verge]

The job doesn’t feel good til 80

Because it unlocks its kit at very stupid levels

[charred minnow]

kinda like how BLM changes a lot in levelling

[open verge]

Well no

Because blm changes completely

Dragoon is just incomplete at low levels

[charred minnow]

ah

[open verge]

You don’t get the second part of your aoe until stormblood

And your last part of your aoe until shadowbringers

So arr to Hw your just spamming one button for your aoe rotation

[charred minnow]

dear lord

[pulsar current]

you know, the aoe button you get at 40

[charred minnow]

I was about to say

I don't remember playing an AoE

[open verge]

I forgot

[charred minnow]

I think I got the job stone

[open verge]

You get that aoe at 40 lmao

[charred minnow]

saw Estinien like entirely different to HW and was like 'oh no this feels weird'

[open verge]

Dragoon feels awful leveling

But at level cap it’s very fun

[pulsar current]

can't wait for 7.0 where you just press true thrust for 50 levels

[open verge]

Likely

[charred minnow]

I feel like I'd have the secondary problem of returning to DPS queue as well

and be sad

[open verge]

7.0 they will finally finish redoing all the dragoon animations

Giving vorpal thrust and pheblotomize new animations after combo completion

[charred minnow]

this is how jobs be going rn

[open verge]

Time to flex

!me

NOOOOO

[charred minnow]

oof

[open verge]

There

After I finish dancer Idk what I’ll level

[charred minnow]

look at all those 80s

[open verge]

Kinda waiting of the balance patch see which changes job get

[charred minnow]

:0

!me

[open verge]

Mostly dark knight

Doesn’t work in this room

[charred minnow]

ah

scholar is unlocked through arcanist, right?

[primal basalt]

ye

[charred minnow]

might have to do that for the sake of everything unlocked

[plain sierra]

Is there anything after the scrolling credits, or can I safely Skip Cutscene and finally go to bed?

[chilly bluff]

Credits are always safe to skip

[simple fiber]

Today I learn that DNC is considered Weak

[plain sierra]

no other scenes follow them?

[simple fiber]

if there is a scene following, it'll show after skipping once

[plain sierra]

oh good

kay

agh there IS more

[frigid light]

is coconut cod chowder the best meal rn? seems like the higher lvl equivalent to smoked chicken

[pulsar current]

yes, but there will be 580 food in 6.05

chowder is the highest level food thats crit and det

[wet crown]

By itself and lorewise, yes

It's still a DPS so it outdamages the tanks and healers but it's at the bottom for a reason

[simple fiber]

Even looking at it's buff damage apparently it's behind

Every job I love apparently the more "hardcore" types call it dead for now. DNC, NIN, SMN.

[wet crown]

SMN gained a lot of mobility, so its dmg was obviously reduced
NIN just needs some potency buffs
DNC is designed around having low self DPS to compensate for the big buffs

tbh, I don't get why kamaitachi doesn't share its hotkey with bunshin

[simple fiber]

And I'm saying apparently right now even accounting for DNC rdps, it's behind bard and MCH

[wet crown]

you cannot use the attack without bunshin and it's only available once

[simple fiber]

Most ninja players seem to dislike raiju. I don't mind the gap closer, I actually find it useful frankly

[wet crown]

I assume it's because of the animation?

[simple fiber]

No, raiju charges the target

They also have to be used together and before another weaponskill

I don't believe abilities break the combo though

I think it's really cool and I don't mind adjusting mudra usage around mechanics

[devout fox]

WHY SO DAMN HARD TO DO Mothercrystal

FFS just want easy class and smn not even helping

Close to snapping my keyboard in half

[brisk quail]

Forced gapcloser
Combo action
15 seconds to use
Has some animation lock
Yet another button to add to the hotbar ontop of the 3 other buttons they gained this tuning pass

[untold gull]

[wet crown]

It's funny. Whenever I suggest condensed hotkeys like in PVP, I get blasted with nonsense of This will just make the job easy.
But here are the NINs that would die for some bloat relief.

[devout fox]

WHY IS THIS SO FKING hard just wanna get this stupid BS boss fight done

[dim sigil]

I wouldn't want it to be entirely condensed like PVP but down to a certain level Maybe

[wet crown]

you know, if you want to keep all keys, you can just place the same key multiple times on your hotbar

[devout fox]

Close to quitting smn 😭 even though at 90

[dim sigil]

Skill issue

[wet crown]

for your illusion of skill expression

[untold gull]

why tho? it's pretty damn useful for certain classes

[wet crown]

I mean, just look at DRG. It's the job that would benefit the most from it.

[hot idol]

? folks i have done the endwalker at the very end twice and why is my duty is not accounted for ?
im trying to wrap this up

[untold gull]

i mean, i'd understand not having it on something like mnk but surely some other classes have a static af 1-2-3

[dim sigil]

The only one I can immediately think and agree on with the I would be okay with Reapers 123 being condensed with one button

Since there's not much there in the other actual attacks are elsewhere

[wet crown]

DRG has 10 (?) hotkeys for basic rotation. That number can do down to 3 with consensed hotkeys

[dim sigil]

See now that's just too much you can't just condense it to 3

[wet crown]

ofc you can
one for wheeling thrust, one for f&c and one for AOE

[devout fox]

F this im done playing smn can't handle mothercrystal as this class

rnb

[dim sigil]

I mean yeah you can but like I would rather they didn't

[potent marsh]

its just ruin spam tho

[dim sigil]

For real though smn is like the easiest job looks like

[wet crown]

It'd say MCH is easier.

But SMN definitely dropped in difficulty

[devout fox]

IF my ping allows me i would been 90 mch

whatever

[brisk quail]

I just want them to do it for all classes man

Like come on.

[wet crown]

only one where it can't be done is DNC for obvious reasons

[brisk quail]

Some of this shit is insufferable. Heck. Just give me 1 button combos like PvP does

At least for the 123s

(And not for RDM for obvious reasons)

[untold gull]

is it just 89 trial normal?

[wet crown]

Condensed hotkeys basic ST & AOE
SAM : 7 -> 5
NIN : 6 -> 3
MCH : 3 -> 1
WAR : 6 -> 3
PLD : 6 -> 3
DRK : 5 -> 3
GNB : 6 -> 3
RDM : 3 -> 1
RPR : 3 -> 1
DRG : 10 -> 3

DNC and MNK cannot have their actions condensed for obvious reasons

And with less hotkeys taking up place, new actions can be added.

[tranquil igloo]

Hmmm

Should I just farm EX1 and EX2 until I have the mounts or 99 totems lol

[dim sigil]

Ex1 sucks

Do X2 first

[tranquil igloo]

EX1 is just follow the leader and I already know how to be the leader, EX2 I still haven't learned or even done it lol

[dim sigil]

Ex-2 is infinitely more fun and enjoyable

[tranquil igloo]

Ehhhh

My brain can't remember a lot of trials and raids at a time, so starting tomorrow I'll just spam EX1 until 99 totems or I get the mount, then I can forget that EX1 even exists

[dim sigil]

Although I suppose e x one is a lot better when you actually know what you're doing

[tranquil igloo]

If I get the mount, great, if I get 99 totems, great though I'll have to wait until 6.2 lol

[tranquil igloo]

There is one other benefit of doing both EX1 and EX2 until 99 totems or mount tbh

[dim sigil]

I just want the mount so I never have to touch one again

[tranquil igloo]

I'm a tank main, I'll be closer to my armored mount the more times I run the extremes lol

[dim sigil]

2 it's the kind of fight I can see myself doing even after I get the mount and weapon

[tranquil igloo]

Honestly same-ish... Once I have the EX1 mount I'm just not touching that fight again, at least not until BLU gets a lvl 90 patch... Maybe in 7.3 xD

[wet crown]

That one looks like a concussion debuff

[earnest sedge]

||who threw the teleporter at the end||

^beeg spoulery question

I still cant figure out who

These look like pandawmonium shit

[wet crown]

||Unknown. It might have been everyone's wish for the WoL to return. Or maybe even Zenos who wanted them to live.||

[earnest sedge]

||Zenos? Didnt it fall from the sky?||

||so no one knows who saved us?||

[wet crown]

I didn't say he had it on him.

[earnest sedge]

Thats true

I heard about Ps spoilers alresdy tho i wanna avoid it cos my group going in week 1

Wheres the fun if ya already know the mechs

But yup! Hmm theres a chinese site that listed some spoilers particularly P4s @near mist

Try sourcing CN players on JP servers

No clue someone just mentioned it to me

Just ask any sgrean ot msian hc raider i guess

[devout fox]

So between dancer and bard which more wanted for group and such ?

[wet crown]

BRD

[half phoenix]

Basically left to our own interpretation.

Err ||For the teleporter question|| ^

[wet crown]

personally, I still can't bring myself to play the slot machine with a bow but eh

whatever floats your boat

[half phoenix]

???

You mean the codas?

[tropic frigate]

The rng?

[last prairie]

||Is there a way to get back to the place where you fight zenos at the end? called "beyond the stars"||

[untold forum]

What is the blue circle thing in the back supposed to be

[cloud roost]

||A destroyed planet||

[blazing edge]

40 runs of EX1 and only 3 clears

i just want the accessory man PLEASe

[tropic frigate]

W t f

If u find any parties with a danger dorito you can probably get it easily from there

[bronze apex]

Is bard more relaxing and comfort at 90 with boss fights ?

[untold forum]

what is ||the endsinger? appeared out of nowhere is she part of meteoin?||

[blazing edge]

yes

[tropic frigate]

|| i think shes meant to be all her sisters in one? Im not really sure||

[untold forum]

||why is zenos a dragon now too wtf||

[iron birch]

Get better groups

[blazing edge]

Crystal PF

[iron birch]

The true skill check

What's your ilvl?

[blazing edge]

571

[iron birch]

Oof

I assume you've been doing farm parties with 570 ilvl, which honestly should be enough

People are just bad sometimes

[dawn plume]

Are you currently doing it ?

Cause he explains it like 2-3 textboxes later

Or are you just skipping

[untold forum]

oh i just saw why

he ||swallowed mother crystal? but where and how did he do that? anyone can become a dragon by doing that?||

[cloud roost]

||Zenos had already become Shinryu in the past by possessing the primal back at the end of Stormblood. He used the mass of aether left in the Mothercrystal to summon the primal unto himself again. Only Zenos could have done this.||

[untold forum]

i see

||what is a mothercrystal? one of those fast travel aetherirtes? crystals?||

[cloud roost]

||A mass of aether in the aethereal sea formed by aether that was drawn to Hydaelyn due to her being an incredibly powerful primal||

...this does get explained in the cutscenes, though

you may want to go back and watch them in an inn

[open verge]

|| I RECLAIMED THE FORM OF THE DRAGON AND CAME HITHER||

[untold forum]

i forgot he had been ||shinryu||

[open verge]

Yep

[pulsar current]

Bahamut what do you remember

[gaunt star]

Oh no I'm on the verge of crying doing ex trial 2

[cloud roost]

||AND, HUNGRY STILL FOR OUR REUNION, I RODE THE LIGHT OF THE STAAAAAAAARS TO YOU||

[untold forum]

when does this end? ||ive beaten zenos but its just going on and on still with cutscenes||

finish already lol

[humble heron]

Ur almost there

[untold forum]

seeing credits now

[humble heron]

U can skip the first credits scene

[untold forum]

||it mentioned meterions empathic abilities destroyed worlds?? so she was responsible for destroying stars and lied to you and just said they destroyed themselves..so she was evil after all, she should have died properly and not let off as shes responsible for billions of deaths lol||

||weird plothole and writing||

[humble heron]

Ew msq spoilers ||she didn't intentionally destroy the other worlds, what happened is that since she and her sisters are entelechies they essentially acted as emotion amplifiers and accidentally channeled lots of bad emotions leading to the end of specific worlds||

[untold forum]

I thought it was decent but a bit overrated overall. The writing was generally good but becomes very ||anime and ridiculous towards the the end, with false endings, deus ex machinas and macguffins presumes you to just believe everything and go with it, dynamis, spaceships, time travel, things appearing/disappearing out of thin air all the time… it’s all very far fetched even for a final fantasy game || but I still enjoyed it. I’m just glad it’s finally over.

[humble heron]

I mean it is the end of a 10 year arc

[blazing edge]

Bahamut I feel like you misunderstand a lot of the story lol

you can't call things a plothole just because you forgot about it

[untold forum]

They really need to overhaul the gfx engine and just make an new ff online with modern tech as I don’t think I wanna play another one like this as it looks very dated now too. Everyone has emojis with nods and simple actions and it just looks really goofy now especially the animation and textures and low res ps3 engine it still has to use as it’s tied to it

[humble heron]

And also it is most assuredly ripping off taking design ideas from a certain anime being ||gurren lagann||

[untold forum]

Maybe but it’s a lot to take in lol and hard to remember all details in ten years

It’s d give it about an 80%

Overall

I liked the story and themes and it’s push towards positivity in its story

And the music was amazing

Especially in dungeons

I loved the way it mixed in themes into vocals and all the music.

It is like a celebration and love letter to all the other FF games

But the gameplay wasn’t my favourite I’ve enjoyed other mmorpgs more in gameplay like ESO

[unreal gale]

80% sounds fair, tbh.

I also gave it an 8/10, but mostly for different reasons.

[wet crown]

No it's not lol. That's very much in line with the franchise.

[buoyant hatch]

If I'd rank the expansions (including ARR) for it's story I'd say: ShB > HW/EW > SB/ARR

I don't think the writing for EW is as good as ShB was, and I think certain things in HW were written better even, but they got really good at presenting the story now

[wet crown]

||The Meteia destroyed other civilizations by causing them to despair. Either by simply talking to them or later on showering them with dynamis. While they didn't destroy anything directly, they did cause the collapses.||

[untold forum]

yeah there was just no emotional impact really unlike HW ||noone dies and the power of friends trope is used, no sense of danger, anime girl rules all, you and scions all come out of it without a scratch||

[wet crown]

What.

[untold forum]

||shb had more emotional story||

[wind bough]

That ain’t really true

[iron birch]

||I wouldn't consider death as a metric for stakes, cause the you'd have to acknowledge that the same happened with shb||

[wind bough]

||Meteion didn’t really choose any of this. She/they simply acted as amplifiers for the despair in the dynamis they encountered out there, something which was simply in their nature to do. They were helpless before the dynamis of dead and dying worlds.||

[buoyant hatch]

||I think the ending of endwalker is actually it's weak spot||

[wet crown]

||- Urianger finally coming face-to-face with Moenbryda's parents

• Papalymo, Moenbryda, Haurchefaunt and Ysayle coming to aid during Aitiascope
• Literally everything around Emet-Selch, Venat and Hythlodeaus
• That one mother being crushed and tossed with her child
• Matsya and said child almost turning
• The people, especially the Arkasodara mother and her children turning, in Vanaspati||

Just some examples of EW absolutely holding emotional weight.

[iron birch]

As in, in shb ||nobody died||

I would say that ew feels pretty disjointed and all over the place with its pacing

[wind bough]

Of all the criticisms to level at EW, saying it has no emotional weight might be the most baffling

[untold forum]

||everyone sacrifices themselves at the end but come back anyway, because writers dont have guts to kill anyone off, whereas you really feel the dragons plight in HW as an example||

[cloud roost]

||the sacrifices weren't to kill them, it was for emotional payoffs for their stories||

[wet crown]

||Oh and there is no dragon's plight in EW?||

[buoyant hatch]

||I think the points where EW felt flat is how our trip to the past was reacted to.. that is not at all||

[open verge]

Heavensward is so overrated

[iron birch]

Nah, that's just ffxiv /s

[open verge]

Based

[cloud roost]

||the only people you told about said trip were those who have already experienced time travel, and who knew you were going to find information about the past anyway||

[untold forum]

everyone ||comes out unscathed, no deaths like game of thrones, end of the universe and even you dont have a scratch, i guess it was more about the journey, but you dont even see anyone dying when meteors start coming down in some areas, theres no blood just ppl turning to monsters||

[wet crown]

||There are people who react to the time travel and they are all baffled.||

[open verge]

Yea like pandemonium

[wind bough]

||”No deaths like game of thrones” gimme a break ||

[undone hearth]

||And yet, Labyrinthos people found out somehow. See: Pandaemonium||

[wet crown]

Dafuq are you talking about

[open verge]

Lmfao

Did you have your eyes closed during the entire Garlemald portion

[buoyant hatch]

||People turning into monsters was them dying.. permanently, they can't even get reborn anymore||

[untold forum]

it was sad but not sad enough

[wind bough]

[wind bough]

You ok my dude

[open verge]

Radz at han/ ||has lost a significant amount of its population btw||

[untold forum]

maybe the lack of voice acting made it lose weight too

[open verge]

Bait

[cloud roost]

||they found out after they had learned that their leaders had spoken to the god of their planet who told them of an apocalypse coming to pass that actually happened and their planets greatest warriors went to the literal far corner of the universe to stop the end of all life via negative emotional death using a spaceship, and they were still quite surprised when you told them||

[untold forum]

and dated looking gfx in cutscenes

[wet crown]

||First off, a shitload of people died, in case you missed all of the Garlemald portion and the second coming of the Final Days. Second, there is no blood and gore because this game has an age rating it needs to hold to.||

[wind bough]

Ok buddy.

[cloud roost]

||most final days scenes had VA what do you mean||

[open verge]

They all had VA

[granite nimbus]

I mean, the game is almost 10 years old.

[open verge]

Go back and play hw

[granite nimbus]

Of course the gfx are gonna look "dated".

[untold forum]

not everyone is voiced like in eso

[open verge]

You will realize how much of HW isn’t voiced

[late aurora]

Who cares

[granite nimbus]

Since the game is designed to be accessible without a super PC.

[wind bough]

Ok starting to legit think this is bait

[untold forum]

the gravitas of the whole thing is better voiced

[late aurora]

So

[cloud roost]

good thing all of the heavy scenes are voiced

eh

[wet crown]

Yeah, this is some low quality bait now.

[wind bough]

That’s an issue with your ability to form engagement with the story not the story itself

[untold forum]

if all the npcs were voiced id talk to them all not just msq ppl

[granite nimbus]

Bait, gotcha.

[wind bough]

If you can’t engage with a story that doesn’t have gore and voice acting that’s a you problem

[wet crown]

That's on you. Not the story.

[undone hearth]

“Story’s bad, I had to read, couldn’t just listen” ?

[late aurora]

Do you know how much money that’d be wasting?

[granite nimbus]

That's my brother unironically though.

He couldn't sit through any cutscene that wasn't voiced.

[wanton mango]

I mean, it's a preference

[cloud roost]

yo i was gonna read that book you recommended me

[wanton mango]

no judgement here

[cloud roost]

but it wasn't voiced

so idk

[late aurora]

“Where audio book?”

[untold forum]

thats why i prefer audiobooks

[undone hearth]

It’s a preference, yeah, but to say it’s bad because of it?

[untold forum]

wouldnt say its bad

just a lot of text to wade through

[late aurora]

It’s an RPG

You have played those before, right?

[wanton mango]

most rpgs today are voiced

well, western anyways

[cloud roost]

it's a JRPG to boot

which are notorious for being long

[untold forum]

like i cant use my phone as i have to read the text

cant multitask

[cloud roost]

so you can't disengage from the story if you have to read

[late aurora]

Read faster nerd

[undone hearth]

Oh?? No???

[cloud roost]

if you aren't interested in the story, you aren't interested in the story

that's fine

[wanton mango]

... I will say that people probably enjoy media more if they give it more attention 😅

but I ain't anyone's dad

[late aurora]

This take is a yikes

[untold forum]

i prefer sound

over text

just preference

[cloud roost]

ok

[undone hearth]

Is it any wonder you couldn’t remember plot points if you used your phone during cutscenes instead of paying attention, tho?

[untold forum]

nah on important ones i didnt

[cloud roost]

like how earlier you didn't remember how ||zenos and shinryu were related||

not very important

[untold forum]

i mean voice acting even on sidequests and random npcs in towns would be nice...would encourage llore learning

[cloud roost]

or ||what the mothercrystal was||

two things explained in very important voiced cutscenes

[undone hearth]

The second one referenced throughout several expansions too

[cloud roost]

again, it's fine if you aren't interested in the story, you don't have to make excuses for it

ffxiv is more than a story

[glacial turret]

Most unvoiced cutscenes are god awful boring I agree

Then they recap everything the next voiced cutscene

[late aurora]

Job/role quests

[glacial turret]

Shb were fine but ew role quests are boring af

[undone hearth]

Voice acting on side quests would be an incredible amount of money spent, trialing and hiring VAs, writing up NDA contracts, other stuff I can’t probably begin to imagine due to that not being my job

Trying to do that would be terrible — not to mention, they had struggles getting people places during the pandemic as-is, with travel restrictions

[open verge]

I like them tbh

Tank one is cool but I didn’t finish it

[wanton mango]

lemme distract yall with my hot takes

the expac has way too many flashbacks

[undone hearth]

I’m distracted just by you saying “distracy” instead of “distract” >:(

[late aurora]

Are you surprised about that?

[wanton mango]

noted 😂

[late aurora]

I mean it’s the end of HvZ, they probably want people to remember stuff

[wet crown]

EW role quests are the culmination of previously established storylines and elements

[humble heron]

I liked when we had a flashback within a flashback

[wind bough]

Big fan of EW role quests

[undone hearth]

yo dawg, I herd u like flashbacks

[humble heron]

I much prefer shb role quests but thats because i think fighting the cardinal virtues is sick

[charred minnow]

I've done Doma and Limsa, they were good

[wind bough]

I think they’re better than the tank and physdps quests from ShB

[wanton mango]

I get it when it's like an expac ago, but something that happened like 10 quests ago is kinda pushing it on the ADD

[charred minnow]

I've also been doing some ShB ones I didn't get around to as I was levelling

[wet crown]

I haven't even started the tank quests but since they take place in Gridania, I can already assume what they'll be about
and I'll love it for sure

[undone hearth]

Ew, Gridania

[charred minnow]

I did ShB healer and it was genuinely great

[wet crown]

I hate Gridania as a place but the context within these quests...there is no way they won't be great

[wind bough]

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

You may be disappointed

[humble heron]

Shb healer quest is g o a t e d

[undone hearth]

I do wonder what they’re gonna be worried about. But it’ll probably just be “oh noes the elementals are upset” like always

[wind bough]

I’ve done them all except melee, and tank was definitely the weakest and had a weird message

[charred minnow]

melee was nice

[wet crown]

[charred minnow]

even though it's Limsa I recommend

[iron birch]

||elelemtals are kinda ass: the side quest||

[wind bough]

Be warned it may only increase your hatred for Gridania

[wet crown]

well yeah, it's abotu Gridania in the context of despair

[wind bough]

||Let’s just accept it and move on though||

[wet crown]

ofc I will hate the place even more

that's not even something to be suprised about

it's the confrontation with that fact for other characters that I am looking forward to

[charred minnow]

I've heard magic dps is good

[wet crown]

I want them to see what kind of filthy mire they have built

[iron birch]

Also ranged one was weird

[wet crown]

[wind bough]

Yeah you will be disappointed

[iron birch]

It was about ||coping with despair, but it almost felt like the main blasphemy was an after tought||

[wet crown]

do not spoil me on the ranged one, I havem't finished it

[viscid monolith]

|| Well what can you realistically do about the elementals? ||

[wind bough]

They’re all like that

[undone hearth]

Ehh... it was alright

[wind bough]

Healer is great

Definitely my strongest

[charred minnow]

I feel like Ranged ||is more about hien as a person than anything|| ranged role quest spoilers obviously

[wet crown]

yeah, healer is my favourite so far

[iron birch]

||ehh, the ala mhigo one ties into ferdola, the tank one ties into Kan e Senna, the melee one ties into the admiral and the caster one is about the whole HW 2.0 thing||

[wind bough]

I liked ranged because ||I think spirit mediums are absolutely horrendous people and I was glad to see that portrayed realistically||

[wet crown]

was really suprised how good it was
||fordola really grew on me since ShB and the role quest solidified it||

[iron birch]

Healer one is the best onr

[charred minnow]

that too

[iron birch]

||cause of Arenvald||

And ||fordola too||

[wind bough]

||Raubahn looking for Nanamo in pots and then starting to panic after like five seconds without finding her|| was great (healer)

[charred minnow]

I'm gonna have to keep levelling sage it seems from the praise for healer

[wind bough]

And ||having super inaccurate memories of the old days like the old man he is||

[charred minnow]

I had my fill after the great ShB role quest

but if there's another great quest then sure

[humble heron]

I mean you get to hang out with honorary best girl fordola

[undone hearth]

||”Oh, I know all of her hiding spots, don’t worry.” “...she’s not here. Uh. Uhhh. Quick! Check in that pot!”||

||Just... my guy, how did you keep track of her all these years?||

[charred minnow]

is there a quest for all of them at the end like there is for ShB

[late aurora]

||“Where’s my daughter? WHERE DID SHE GO”||

[wind bough]

Answer: ||he didn’t, that’s what Papashan is for ||

[wind bough]

Not yet, will be added in a future patch

[charred minnow]

ah ok

[iron birch]

6.1, no?

[charred minnow]

I gotta get a tank levelled cuz that's my lowest role

[wind bough]

Yeah I think so

[late aurora]

Is it possible for EW to have an allied quest?

Or are they just done with those

[wet crown]

we wouldn't know until 6.5

[tidal mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/staring-gif-21505829

[pulsar current]

God I love how far this rotation has gone lmao

[undone hearth]

As someone who has barely touched BLM, I’m still confused other than “Ice Mage”

[wind bough]

Oh no

[undone hearth]

Like, why’s it a thing?

[blazing edge]

healer got one of the best rolequests again

[wind bough]

Dw you’re not alone

[upper scaffold]

I feel like to think like this I would need to be alone

[wind bough]

Oh but you didn’t spoiler tag

Spoiler tag

[upper scaffold]

Oh, I thought this was spoiled chat, my bad, sorry

[wind bough]

That’s #ALL SPOILERS ALLOWED - Patch 6.0 - Endwalker Lore

[upper scaffold]

I learn

[simple fiber]

woo, sold 3 million worth of materia

[upper scaffold]

so like, 5 materia?

[simple fiber]

nah, 50 X and like 60 IX

[granite nimbus]

I want to smack the old dude at the Last Stand so hard.

He's like, the only out and out racist Sharlayan around.

[simple fiber]

55k for the X. There's one reseller who's trying to set the X price at 99k but he's getting constantly undercut back to about 50k

[vague furnace]

My blm is only 51 what am I watching 😨

[unreal gale]

The rotation shown above? BLM gained a new skill called Paradox. It’s a bit of a simplification, but basically, you get one Paradox anytime you switch between Fire and Ice (and vice versa).

Paradox = 500 potency
Despair = 340 potency
Fire IV = 300 potency

That rotation swaps back and forth b/w the two phases to maximize Paradox gain, and it spends excess mana on Despair (over Fire IV).

It’s funky, and it looks cool. But at the end of the day, the traditional rotation deals more DPS on average.

[wet crown]

Casting Fire spells grants Astral Fire, which increases the power of Fire spells in exchange for their increased MP cost. Casting Ice spells grants Umbral Ice, which decreases the MP cost of Ice spells and greatly increases the speed with which MP is recovered. If maximum stacks are accumulated for either Astral Fire or Umbral Ice, there will be no MP cost for spells of the opposite

Paradox and Fire IV are closer in potency than people realize.

[unreal gale]

Uh, not at all. Paradox potency is way beyond Fire IV potency.

It’s just that you can stand there and spam Fire IV if you have full mana, whereas you can’t do that with Paradox.

[wet crown]

Astral Fire III doubles the mana cost of fire spells but increase the damage by 80%

[unreal gale]

Ya. But potency isn’t directly proportional to damage, IIRC.

So it’s not like Fire IV in AF3 would have 540 potency.

Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong, though. I don’t theorycraft, so maybe I’m misremembering stuff.

[tidal mauve]

i dont get paradox

is it to make the one fire 1 cast every so often less bad

i dont see any recourse for the paradox rotation

it's gonna be on a 15 second timer or something

[tribal quiver]

||How did Fandaniel even teleport us
Does the Echo not protect against such
Why cant they just teleport us to some other world long ago to get rid of us||

[brisk quail]

Yes

Also bonus spell in Blizz phase

[humble heron]

||i suspect its due to hydalyns power waning as she said earlier. And elidibus did indeed try to teleport us to the void in seat of sacrifice and we know how that turned out for him||

[indigo shale]

||it worked very well for elidibus, we only lived because we are the protagonist, else no way of getting out ||

[granite nimbus]

||I mean, Emet gave us the Azem crystal for a reason.||

[indigo shale]

||yeah i know and i hate it, also it works in a weird way that emet made it so that the azem stone doesnt even need to be in the same dimension for it to teleport in that instance, as he some how gets called to syrcus tower instead of the rift where the stone is located||

[granite nimbus]

||Don't get the hate against it. It's just the power of friendship transcending space and time. It's a very anime thing.||

[regal lantern]

People hate anime tropes cause they’re for kids and gamers are not kids! Anime watchers are nerds who spend their life obsessing over pixels, unlike gamers who are nerds who spend their life obsessing over pixels!

[indigo shale]

i dont hate anime tropes, i just hate the azem stone

[granite nimbus]

Don't see it as an ass pull since Hythlodaeus straight up tells you to wish on it in your darkest hour.

[indigo shale]

the issue with it in that particular case for me is why does emet show up in syrcus tower, we use the stone while in the rift, so he should have been called to the rift

[brisk quail]

Because that's where we needed to be?

He resummoned us back to the real world/non-rift

[vale gazelle]

I wish the lv90 dungeon was translated differently, it's called ||Final Fantasy|| in Japanese.

[indigo shale]

||the dead ends sounds better||

[vale gazelle]

A big part of me wished FF14 is a single player game, I feel a lot of their storytelling was limit by the fact that the game is a MMO.

Like, I'm convinced you 100% ||would have died after fighting Zenos|| had this been a single-player game.

[crystal arrow]

and that makes me glad it's not a single player game.

that would be cliche and boring

[indigo shale]

||so was us surviving||

[vale gazelle]

Purely from a story perspecrive, EndWalker would have been a perfect finale had the game just shuts down with it, now I'm a bit worried they won't do as good of a finale when the story do end in the future or we won't get a finale to the story at all.

[brisk quail]

You don't need a finale.

Not everyone dies in a blaze of glory

Some die of old age surrounded by their loved ones

I don't see why FFXIV has to end on this hyperclimatic point

Where the whole universe is saved and the universe radiates sunshine and rainbows

[granite nimbus]

Plus, the whole point they drive home throughout the story is living for the people you've lost.

[brisk quail]

The WoL just passing the torch to a new adventurer is a fitting end

You handing them your sword

The one that'd survived thousands of battles

Told of in legends and defeated gods

Only to be stolen by greg 4 seconds later

[granite nimbus]

Honestly, I could see the WoL retiring the way ||Venat retired. Just living day-to-day in peace while lending a helping hand to whoever asks nicely enough.||

[brisk quail]

Absolutely

That's what I feel the next expansions will/should focus on

Lower stakes, being an adventurer again

Not some godslaying, politic fixing, revolution starting, war ending combat god

Just seeing things

[humble heron]

Estinien should open a cafe and marry vrtra

[brisk quail]

New people

New places

[brisk quail]

Hot

[granite nimbus]

It's wholly shippable.

[thorny flax]

I'd honestly love small filler arcs with adventures that build up the next story but people already shit about everything that isn't a mind blowing reveal

[brisk quail]

Like man.

I'm done with the ever climbing stakes right now

Saving the country > Saving a whole civilizations > Saving multiple countries > Saving a whole dimension > Saving the universe

Like we don't need to keep building higher and higher each expac

Esp since we're as far as we're gonna get on that scale

[thorny flax]

I'd love small personal stories between characters.

[echo orbit]

so we should save some grapes next?

[granite nimbus]

Absolutely.

[brisk quail]

YES

But

The grapes moved to the gemstone headpiece

[rustic halo]

when do i get the i560 job gear?

[thorny flax]

just follow the msq

you can't miss it

it's a lvl 89 quest

[rustic halo]

locked to each role quest like in shb, right?

[humble heron]

No

[thorny flax]

nope

this time you can purchase it immediately

[brisk quail]

Just play the storyline

Just go

Don't panic

Play

We all did it

[humble heron]

Tataru gives u moms credit card and points you at the jc penney

[brisk quail]

So can you

!iglam Sharlayan Diadema

[lusty shadow]

**Sharlayan Diadema** **:** Head

Required Level

1

Dyable?

No

Images of glamour items by Gamer Escape.

[brisk quail]

LOOK THE GRAPES

The high quality grapes live

[weary rampart]

u mean boutique own by Tataru

[humble heron]

Ye

[vernal dust]

wait, this is the right channel

is there any way to re-watch the endwalker credits

[stiff charm]

yes, its in the unending journey at the inn

[tidal mauve]

||instead of the usual SSS training dummies can we have the zenos fight ||

[chilly kelp]

Anyone else crashing all the time after EW?

[dim sigil]

No

[stiff charm]

if you use xivlauncher its having issues lately

[bronze ore]

I finished the story and wondering for endgame now because its new xpac, so no much dungeons or trials
what else I can to try achieve?

[open verge]

There is 2 dungeons to unlock after MSq

There’s 2 ex trials

[humble heron]

And then on tuesday, savage

[open verge]

And the savage mode raids come out next week

[bronze ore]

the third trial wont get ex?

[humble heron]

6.1

[bitter forum]

eventually

all msq trials get ex versions

[bronze ore]

oh k, there is roadmap for updates? I mean estimation for 6.1 and so?

[bitter forum]

Well, the ones that matter (not cape or any random crap in ARR)

[fluid basalt]

cape westwind ex when

[bitter forum]

||89 dungeon||

[bronze ore]

they said they plan to do some changes to cape no?

[open verge]

Yea they did…

Did it not make 6.0?

[tidal mauve]

gonna be a while probably

[fluid basalt]

chrysalis ex when

[regal lantern]

Things like this is why Yoshi P is so worried...

Yoshi P is really anxious about people thinking everything after 6.0 is extra or bonus or not real content anymore when the guy is finally free to start the story from scratch, new enemies, new world building, new power buffs, etc

[fluid basalt]

i'm already treating it as the game main story ended

just in time for ff16

[regal lantern]

Thank you for ignoring Yoshi P's fervent pleas

[cloud roost]

i'm sure a lot less people will feel that way come 6.1

when there's actual more story

[regal lantern]

I am afraid this is going to make Yoshi P up the stakes so damn high starting 6.1, just to show how he can make the story feel even more relevant

[fluid basalt]

as long as Ishikawa is around, surely they can do it

[regal lantern]

You do realise Ishikawa isn't the one who actually calls the main shots

While she is lead story designer, the actual plot is given by Yoshi P

The rest, including Oda and Ishikawa just works to make sense on how to bring Yoshi P's ideas into reality

How new are you to the game to think in such skewed manners dude?

Idk if people knows, the story of FFXIV until now is not Yoshi P's own entirely. It was Nobuaki Komoto's, the inception of the story was his. Everything else we have from 2.0 to 6.0 has been a redirection of his original visions. A rework rather than an original idea

A lot of aspects of the game is disliked by Yoshi P, from lore to gameplay

Now that he has finally ended that story, he finally has the opportunity to create what he wants to create entirely of his own as producer and director

In ffxvi, he is only producer, not director

So ffxiv is still Yoshi P's work

The man plans to continue the game for 10 more years and to say the story of FFXIV has ended is an insult to Yoshi P directly when he keeps insisting that we are not even close to the end

[fluid basalt]

funny how they tout EW as meeting the end, and yet you're putting words in their mouth saying it's not even close to the end

still no clear sign where the new 10-year story is going, and i find blind optimism is equally skewed

[regal lantern]

Hello there, have you watched the recent virtual fan fest?

Have you been playing the same game that is known to have survived a cataclysmic reputation?

[regal lantern]

I hope people like you just stops playing the game.

[indigo shale]

well did you play EW because they touted multiple times the shit we can do, as we have barely done anything on the source

[regal lantern]

Blind optimism on a man's word who has always delivered and exceeded expectations?

You sound like a baby who is done playing with a toy and will say it sucks regardless of whatever

[brisk quail]

||Did you do the level 89 dungeon?|| EW spoilers

[regal lantern]

A spoiled baby

[indigo shale]

also to add, no one is putting words into the devs mouth, yoshi-p has said in multiple interviews that EW is not close to the end of ffxiv

[brisk quail]

And again

If you played EW...

||Emet literally tells you stop fucking crying this shit ain't over. You haven't seen [Huge list of things to do]||

Like

[open verge]

They literally go out of there way to tell you there’s still stuff to do on the source

[thorny flax]

lmao EX 2 is really just Seat of Sacrifice EX Lite version

fight is really fun though

[open verge]

sure is

i think its better hten alot of the SHB primal ngl

[thorny flax]

yep