retired-patch-6-3-discussion

[next quarry]

And crafted can be augmented to 590

[haughty crater]

I noticed secondary stats do NOT give very much dam, but full pentameld is what... 50-75 stats per piece and you have 10 pieces?

[cinder spindle]

i think i should go try to do first three floors upon release

then do my hardest to clear the 4th floor within the next month

[next quarry]

Well the first 3 slots can have X materia in them

So that's already 100+

[cinder spindle]

its gonna be progging outside of static hours :DDDDD

[haughty crater]

hmmm 345 36 12 12 ?

Or did I miss something

[next quarry]

The first slot of an overmelding can be X

For accessories that's 2 X slots

And 3 IX

iirc

[haughty crater]

looks like you can meld 2 materia on all left slots and 1 on all right slots so thats +60 (x5=300) on the left and +72 (x5=360) for a total of +660 secondary stats?

Not sure how HQ base stats compare to raid gear

[next quarry]

Er

You do know how overmelding works right

On crafted gear

[haughty crater]

the green slots are guaranteed

then you do +1 of the top grade materia

[next quarry]

Yeah, base is fine

[haughty crater]

then you do the weak materia for the rest

[next quarry]

But pentamelded is good if you can spare the effort of do it

[haughty crater]

But if the HQ gear has base int higher than the 580 stuff thats a pretty big deal

[next quarry]

No it'll be the same

HQ is the same as other 580 gear

NQ is just worse

[haughty crater]

Ohh so the base stats and secondaries are the same as other 580

[next quarry]

Nah, they'll be different

But crafted works as a good way to get gear for raiding if you're behind on gearing too

[haughty crater]

wat do u mean different

just a different pair of secondaries?

[next quarry]

Yes

[haughty crater]

and the pattern will repeat for future tiers

[next quarry]

Yes, but for future tiers we won't have something like the 570 gear or EX accessories

[haughty crater]

uhh for my comments earlier im assuming you are at least melding your raid gear instead of leaving the slots open

[next quarry]

Yeah

[gleaming bough]

wait that boy ancient

is he elidibus?

hmmm but the raid suppose to be related to lahabrea...

[haughty crater]

If ive got everything correct, it looks like a full set of HQ gear with pentamelds is about 5% more dps than 580 "blue raid gear" of equivalent ilvl

at least thats what my calc wants me to believe

[next quarry]

||White hair boy is elidibus yes||

[cloud roost]

1. spoilers
2. ||The raid itself is related to Lahabrea, it does indeed seem that boy is Elidibus (prior to him becoming a member of the convocation)||

[gaunt star]

Oh is the raid out?

[haughty crater]

Its live!

[cloud roost]

As of about 5 hours ago ^^

[next quarry]

It's fun, have fun

[terse cargo]

lot of lore related to lahabrea is revealed prior to the ||4th ||boss, watched mr happy earlier and he didnt skip cutscenes surprisingly

[gaunt star]

||Yo I can't believe Dracula from Castlevania Symphony of the Night is the antagonist of Pandæmonium||

Should the new raids be doable first time without much trouble (normal)?

[next quarry]

Yes

P3/4 wiped me a few times but that's just because new mechanics

[lean ore]

Apparently Lahabrea was an ahole even back then 🤔

Hopefully i get to punch him in the face

[polar mortar]

Was kinda getting the impression he was more a Fourchenault sorta dude than evil

[lean ore]

Nah

Fourchenault was fine with his kids until they opposed him at gridanua

Gridania*

[polar mortar]

True. I'm reserving judgement till we get more story though.

[lean ore]

Meanwhile || according to Lahabreas son he just took over his moms work when she passed and basically thats it 🤔||

[jolly sierra]

wonder if ||erichthonios is our lahabrea||

[lean ore]

|| doubt it ||

[jolly sierra]

i assume p12 is gonna be ||Lahabrea, Yet Again||

[polar mortar]

That thought did cross my mind too

[tulip geyser]

Yeah because even before this ||Lahabrea was hard confirmed a workaholic. So like, I didnt expect him to have a kid, but I do expect he perhaps pays less attention there than he should||

[lean ore]

Anyway we can always || kill his son||

[jolly sierra]

or ok no

[lean ore]

😌

[jolly sierra]

p11 is ||Lahabrea again||

p12 is ||erichthonios again||

[lean ore]

P9-12 is || Lahabrea ||

[jolly sierra]

or ||ascian prime but its lahabrea and erichthonios||

[lean ore]

So i can punch him multiple times in the face

Why would he join Lahabrea tho

[jolly sierra]

like he absorbs lahabrea

[lean ore]

Ok why 🤔

[jolly sierra]

take over and become the next lahabrea

and the one we fight in arr

[lean ore]

Worry

[jolly sierra]

ok sorry

[lean ore]

Looks far fetched with what we know atm xD i mean it could be possible || that he could be our Lahabrea but uh his son is quite weak as is ||

[polar mortar]

Not like lahabrea was ever that strong when we fought him anyway

[lean ore]

|| so idk, maybe Abyssos or w.e called will make things more obvious ||

To be fair we know Lahabrea weakened over time due to a lot of body hopping

We never fought him in his prime

Ascian Prime doesn't count either

[jolly sierra]

ok

my theory is just that p12 is lahabrea + erichthonios

whether they join forces or laha absorbs erichthonios or erichthonios absorbs laha

w/e

[gaunt star]

people saying drops are rng as if you're as likely to get a 50+ as a 50-

[olive spruce]

||would you fail to shackle him, I can always strike him down|| chad

[lean ore]

I said the same xd

[reef basin]

||e12 is laha, but transformed into the emperor from FF2||

[indigo shale]

||i dont think lahabrea or anyone is going to join/fuse, because i dont think that sort of behaviour would allow either of them to be on the convocation||

[fluid basalt]

||not if kairos makes a return||

[tulip geyser]

Actually I think this event ||might end up why Laha holds Elidibus in very high esteem||

[lean ore]

He does? 🤔

[indigo shale]

||and why they become very good friends||

[tulip geyser]

He was ||affectionate back in the day toward him, which apparently is saying something, being Laha||

[lean ore]

Meanwhile everyone makes fun of Lahabrea in the present

[indigo shale]

lahabrea and igeyhorm are good friends with current elidibus

[lean ore]

You mean when they were like "Elidibus go outside its a beautiful day"?

[indigo shale]

they are the 2 that tell him his obssession to his duty is a bit much, as well as where the line "the rains have ceased....." come from,

[tulip geyser]

Yeah that was Iggy and Laha

[lean ore]

Yeah i know who they were 🤔

[tulip geyser]

But Lahabrea is supposed to be super serious apparently

[regal lantern]

where do we get deep shadow gears from? I can't find them

[tulip geyser]

So the fact that he told this kid to slow down and enjoy himself speaks volumes

[lean ore]

When he said Lahabrea doesn't smile || meanwhile Lahabrea as we know him keeps laughing||

[lean ore]

Nut vendors

[regal lantern]

Ah fuck

[lean ore]

Deepshadow gear was moved to hunts currency

[indigo shale]

||i wonder if lahabrea has a transformation, as we learn its not a unique thing to emet selch||

[polar mortar]

I vaguely remember some other character mentioning Laha went crazy at some point as an Ascian

[lean ore]

|| his son does, id assume Lahabrea does too ||

Also Hermes has one too

[lean ore]

Same, i cant remember if it was Elidibus or Nabriales tho

[indigo shale]

||the hades transformation was so cool in the dying gasp, and now its just something we learn pretty much any ancient can do||

i think both mention about his craziness

[lean ore]

The phase 1 transformation was his actual ancient transformation

[fluid basalt]

||after making garlemald and zodiark mid-game contents|| nothing is special anymore

[lean ore]

The phase 2 was more like using their hopes as power up 🤔

[polar mortar]

Emets was on a much larger scale tbf, which makes sense considering how strong we learn he is compared to most of the others

Like ||Hermes ||is nothing in comparison

[ember forum]

OMG! ||Themis is so freaking beautiful||

[indigo shale]

well it seemed very primal like his second phase, his first phase was probably|| just on the same level as hermes||

[lean ore]

Phrase 1 was his battle form like Hermes and such

But regardless Emet was mega OP anyway 🤔

[indigo shale]

still died to auracite like a bitch

[lean ore]

To be fair he broke free of it 😌

[indigo shale]

that doesnt matter

his soul was already bound

[lean ore]

Not that the auracite didn't destabilise him

[indigo shale]

all we needed to do was blast him at that point, which we did

[lean ore]

Elidibus got yeeted the best tho 😌

[indigo shale]

so far lahabrea has had the most unique death i guess

[lean ore]

Becoming dinner? xD

[indigo shale]

absorbed by thordan, turned into shinryu by proxy and then stabbed by estinien

[lean ore]

Eh? 🤔

[indigo shale]

well lahabrea was absorbed into nidhoggs eye

[lean ore]

So his soul was tossed around like a ball kekw

[jolly sierra]

naughty lahabreas go into the washing machine

[lean ore]

Also the enemies being called Demigods

🤔

INNteresting

[polar mortar]

Makes sense I suppose, with the Ancients more or less being gods, and these being their strongest creations

[light sail]

I like how ||Pandaemonium is setup like the rings of hell in The divine Comedy||

[lean ore]

|| i mostly refer to the altered Warders like the last boss of the tier ||

[gaunt star]

Whoa I got into P1 almost instantly but P2 is taking forever

[indigo shale]

actually id say of all ||ascians fandaniel had the coolest death, takes over zodiark, dies willingly to allow the final days to come back, not many ascians can die like that, taking over their "god" and allowing it to be killed to continue a massive event||

[lean ore]

|| Asahi killed him actually 😌||

[polar mortar]

🤔 Ah true

[light sail]

And each section is like the 3 books, Inferno, Purgatory, and Paradise

[indigo shale]

||asahi "killed" amon, he werent fandaniel at that point it was just amon||

[gaunt star]

nevermind the queue timer is 20min off like normal

[light sail]

I got into all 4 within 5 mins each

[indigo shale]

||well actually he was already dead, asahi just dragged him to mega hell i guess||

[lean ore]

Fair oomf

[polar mortar]

||Pretty sure Amon talks about Meteion and the WoL like he remembers you from Elpis?|| I could be remembering details wrong though

[light sail]

I think ||Emet-selch and Hythlodaeus had the best deaths, being able to come back and fulfill their purpose at the very end, even though Hythlo wasn't really an AScian||

[lean ore]

|| Amon is the shattered soul of Fandaniel/Hermes so ||

[polar mortar]

Yeah it gets confusing with the shared memories thing

[indigo shale]

||yeah but still at that point he is just amon, rather than the ascian fandaniel||

[lean ore]

True

I imagine some people are sick of fighting him 3 times tho xD

[light sail]

That's questionable, the idea of "memories making the person" is a long ongloing philosophical debate.

[indigo shale]

||well technically we only thought amon once, as the one in CT was a clone, hermes was just hermes, fandaniel was essentially just zodiark when we fought it, and then ofc we fight amon proper in aitiascope||

[coarse pond]

@lean ore nice PFP

[lean ore]

Cant wait for Fandaniel Ultimate

Where he just laughs his ass off

[light sail]

Zenos should get an ultimate fight, or at least Non-canon EX trial

[polar mortar]

We'll get a Zenos ultimate when they get around to doing Stormblood ones

[indigo shale]

they should wait till EW for zenos ultimate if we get once because then we get|| zenos, zenos but dragon, zenos but elidibus, zenos but random ala mhigan soldier, zenos but random garlean soldier, zenos, reaper zenos, zenos but US, zenos but dragon, zenos but for some reason knows primal attacks||

[lean ore]

Zenos fuses with Omega lets gooo

[light sail]

3 expansions behind

[lean ore]

Also omega f outfit when

[polar mortar]

Do we know how many ultimates they're doing this expansion?

[lean ore]

2

Dragonsong and another one 🤔

[polar mortar]

Prob an omega one I suppose

[lean ore]

Yeah most likely

[marsh osprey]

||https://twitter.com/wretchedwarlock/status/1472975954943389696?t=U9oS-FDs42ZzaykNQoca-g&s=19||

[lean ore]

Lmao saw it

Its perfect

[pseudo umbra]

Aight, gonna guess for pandaemonium story

||eric is either the lahabread we know today, or the blond dude in the present is an incarnation of his fractured soul||

[olive spruce]

||how does the blue stone relate to Pandaemonium?||

oh nvm

I remembered

[urban phoenix]

really? because i dont

or i dont understand the your thinking process behind the question

[next quarry]

What

[fluid basalt]

the connection is still not clear

[olive spruce]

||I didn't remember the stone was calling us to head to Pandaemonium, because by the end Themis just goes and say "yeah, go back and report" and I was like "report what to who?" lmao||

[indigo shale]

||report to azem as far as elidibus/themis is concerned, azem sent us||

[pseudo umbra]

I'm assuming that he means ||report back to Azem||, yes

[olive spruce]

oh I know, but regardless... I just forgot why we were there in the first place lol

[wheat night]

Anyone know what triple triad cards were added to the saucer today?

Was it just more dreadful pack only cards?

My card list shows exactly one new card was added

[next quarry]

P4 probably

But idk

[tulip geyser]

Pande stuff ||https://i.redd.it/e8v7c5b1pv681.png|| Yep, I did it the first time. I am smart.

[golden grotto]

what should be the best loot progression for new raids?

[fierce wing]

I took an ingame screenshot of the grapes. /s

[indigo shale]

ive got to say from panda so far, ||its quite clear why elidibus became leader of the ascians (besides being the heart of zodiark), he takes charge quite well||

[glacial turret]

This raid tier sucks

[next quarry]

Okay daisy

[glacial turret]

It just felt underwhelming

And the 1-3 music sucks

[indigo shale]

good for you, its better than eden at least, though thats not a high bar anyway

[next quarry]

It does I wish they did something special for P3

I enjoyed how P2 worked

P1 felt like it was from DR

P4 felt like O3 ngl

All fun though

[deep marsh]

@indigo shale ||What are you talking about, him being the heart of zodiark was literally the only reason why he was the "leader" ||

[indigo shale]

||i doubt thats the only reason||

[urban phoenix]

yeah okay got it

[gaunt star]

I'm stuck on P2 because the parties I have been in keep abandoning

[slender siren]

Just beat 1st part of Pandæmonium

I’ll say

They really spiked the difficulty

[glossy hemlock]

It’s way better than Eden tbh

[reef basin]

how the new grapes look

[slender siren]

How

[glossy hemlock]

I find the mechanics more fun

[tulip geyser]

||Im stupid as fuck cause my brain doesnt do spatial things so I literally dont understand halfdoge aoe stuff||

[glossy hemlock]

And the story is more interesting imo

[tulip geyser]

Im probably overcomplicating it and will facepalm very hard when I realize its easy

[next quarry]

||The top head will cleave half the area starting from the body, the bottom half is a line air centered on the body going through the arrow||

||Just find out where the half area cleave it and you're good||

[slender siren]

I can already tell Pandæmonium savage will be hell

[olive spruce]

rly?

I feel like it was a breeze .-.

P3/P4 may be tough tho

[next quarry]

It'll be like any other entry savage since SB I feel

Not too hard not that easy

The real pain will be pf

[weary rampart]

i am expecting the ||ice fire mechanic|| on p1 to be tricky

[slender siren]

Tbh I don’t know how I guessed correctly

||there was that one delubrum boss with similar mechanics like that||

[next quarry]

||Trinity avowed iirc||

[slender siren]

Yeag

[weary rampart]

||theres 3 element crystal on each sector and if u swap the element in wrong order chances are u will get hit by the 4th one||

a lot mechanic in this game involves dont match the colour

[slender siren]

P4

[tulip geyser]

||What is a man?!||

[fierce wing]

nah man u gotta turn on gshade

[tulip geyser]

I gotta say I did NOT expect ||vampire things||

[gaunt star]

Finally got the second one done

[weary rampart]

come back after p2 and p4

tbf ,other than the p3|| non recognizable telegraph|| . the other seem to be within the player skill limit

[urban phoenix]

the tab targeting in xiv sucks so much

[fierce wing]

yup, sometimes if bosses are too large, tab doesnt work when im looking at a certain angle

i need to look to the hroizon, capable of seeing sunset for tab to work

[urban phoenix]

its horrible in pvp too

just let me target the nearest target

[slender siren]

I’ve beaten it already

[weary rampart]

hows the death count on p2 and p4

[slender siren]

For me?

P2 it was close calls

P4 I just died

[weary rampart]

p2 wiped 1 time , p4 everyone dies at least twice

[slender siren]

P3

[olive spruce]

where parser?

summon parser

only one we wiped was P3

[cloud roost]

well this is an interesting bug

[olive spruce]

P4 we hanged in there surviving one at time, lucky us we had 2 RDM

who tf PFs normal mode? xD

[split forum]

Why does Pandaemonium look like that castle from Kingdom Hearts that the nobodies hung out in

[olive spruce]

10/10 WAR can undersize solo P1

[marsh osprey]

pandaemonium gear is lit

[gaunt star]

I hate how higher ilvls barely mean shit rn if you had 6.0 BiS

Secondary stat testing incom🅱️lete

[split forum]

P1 wasn’t too bad

[thorny vault]

Can anyone tell me how much EXP the dungeons give now?

[marsh osprey]

ew is a kingdom hearts crossover

[split forum]

Lmao, pls be joking

[thorny vault]

Well.. looking at emet.. 👀

[split forum]

Emet was nort’d!

[livid oracle]

man pandaemonium has the Great Value™️ brand ||Castle Oblivion from kindgom hearts||, the Party City version of the ||Jailer from World of Warcraft||, and now the Dollar General version of ||Count Dracula from Castlevania||

[olive spruce]

fuck sakes man

[gaunt star]

about to do p4

[marsh osprey]

p2 was some weird shit

[tight latch]

inb4 pc explodes

[thorny flax]

I love how during the knockback in p2 I just stood there with surecast and a bard came to me because they thought it's a safe zone and got knockbacked to death PepeLaugh

[swift kraken]

p2 is great

me and my cotank spun the boss around and had a voke war

more bosses with no positionals please

[ruby loom]

p2 we had people almost constantly dead because they wouldn't stop walking into the water

[tulip geyser]

Also man does that Flare punch the shit out of tanks

[ruby loom]

"oh look, water gives me a fairly strong DoT. let me just stand in there until the universe dies"

[tulip geyser]

Had someone drop to 300 some odd heath

[swift kraken]

people kept following me

while i tried to no dmg all the head and body aoes

and died while i took 0 dmg

greatest experience

[ruby loom]

it's funny seeing people actually complain that 565 is too high of a min ilvl to enter the raid

[subtle pasture]

It is for my Alt jobs

[spice furnace]

Is there a loot table for the raids yet?

[subtle pasture]

Damn SGE dragging up the healer queue

[ruby loom]

should've just done them earlier today 👍
I had instant queue pops on my WHM the two hours after maintenance ended

[subtle pasture]

Same, now I’m on reruns for one more token and helping friends orz

[golden grotto]

if i got all the pandemonium gear this week, is there nothing else to do in the patch?

[swift kraken]

wait for savage

or next week

[subtle pasture]

XP got pretty heftily buffed so if you were still leveling anything

[swift kraken]

or farm orchestrion rolls

[golden grotto]

i see, oh yeah the dungeons exp were buffed nice

thanks! 🙂 got lucky on my needs

[ruby loom]

you could also get into crafting

[golden grotto]

that's true i guess i'll level alts then 🙂

[spiral mica]

Anyone know the name of the "antagonist theme" from EW?

||plays when Zenos possesses your body||

[tulip geyser]

I want to know that good old "impending doom" theme too

[open verge]

Yea I always felt this from live letter reveal

#rants message

Granted I never played a kh game so idk what exactly made me feel that way

Probably somethign I’ve seen from my constant cutscene watching of kh

[urban phoenix]

felt like castlevania to me

[open verge]

I wish the fights had different music man

[thorny flax]

the entire xiv story is KH but without all the bullshit

[open verge]

I feel sorry for raiders

3 fights with the same song

[thorny flax]

don't the first 2 fights always have the same song?

like in e9-12? I think the first 2 fights had the same theme

[urban phoenix]

maybe a bug?

[open verge]

They do

Never the third

Well three of the same

Icon of darkness or whatever the fuk was the basic theme

[thorny flax]

I think it depends on what visions they have for the fights

in eden for example it's obvious that the primals get a remix of their arr theme

[open verge]

Pandaemonium doesn’t have a basic theme they can pull from since it’s all original

So they can’t remix anything

[lean ore]

that wont stop people from trying to connect it to other FFs 😔

pain

[wheat night]

Is there enough time to actually grind a full set of panda gear?

[next quarry]

Not even Alexander was completely original, so there's hope

[open verge]

I like that it’s fully original

Finally they just make new bosses lol

[lean ore]

till Savage?

[wheat night]

Yeah

[lean ore]

nope

[open verge]

No

[next quarry]

No

[open verge]

It’s weekly gated

[wheat night]

Is that normal

[open verge]

Yes

[lean ore]

yes

[wheat night]

So what should I prioritize if I already have the gear from ex

[open verge]

Nothing

Your good to go

[lean ore]

probably just the ring to replace moonward one xd

[open verge]

Unless you get crafted gear at savage launch

[next quarry]

Anything left side works too

[wheat night]

What I mean is you can only get 1 or 2 pieces

[steep pulsar]

what ilvl would the crafted gear be?

[north fulcrum]

Skip and get crafted

[lean ore]

380 probably?

[north fulcrum]

It’s always better than normal raid trash

[lean ore]

ops

580*

i think 🤔

[steep pulsar]

ah so they are just for overmelding right

[north fulcrum]

Yeah, pentamelded gives you significantly better stats

[next quarry]

I don't have the gil for crafted gear so I'm just sticking with 6.0 bis

[steep pulsar]

icic thanks

[north fulcrum]

The VIT also helps enormously for prob

Prog

[wheat night]

Won't savage be similarly limited in drops

[north fulcrum]

Savage is 2 gear items per boss plus upgrade tokens or such

[lean ore]

yeah its better :v

[next quarry]

I might try to get a few mil before savage to get some left side for vit

[north fulcrum]

Usually if you’re not a DPS it means waiting for them to gear up lol

[lean ore]

https://tenor.com/view/smirk-anime-anime-girl-smirk-zenith-evil-smirk-funny-smile-gif-20308316

[north fulcrum]

Healers are like oh boy can’t wait to wait for 7-8 weeks to get shit

[lean ore]

let them suffer

[next quarry]

Savage reminds me that I shouldn't recless with spending gil

[steady valve]

for how perfect and void of conflict emet made the unsundered world sound, it kinda seems like they still have their own fair share of issues.

[lean ore]

if u dont do savage u dont have to worry about such stuff ehe

[warm glen]

wasnt pandaemonium savage released yet?

just finished first 4, and there is no sight of savages

[indigo shale]

2 weeks till savage releases, in 6.05

[ruby loom]

gotta love how perspective really just shines a different light on their "perfect paradise" in EW

[lean ore]

do you even read the news?

damn i just jumped from 2800 in queue to 2600 nice

[slender siren]

Damn

You already looking for savage lmao

Calm down

[lean ore]

people already kiss the floor in normal mode as it is

[steady valve]

also was suprised that apparently the WoL having time traveling powers is common knowledge (or atleast to the sharlayans)

'hey can you touch this rock that we found in the literal river styx, it was made in the past you say? well go back in time and investigate'

[jolly sierra]

I was at first too but yeah I guess it makes sense that it is

[wheat night]

So is just 4 raids right

No new content?

[next quarry]

That is the new content

[wheat night]

I meant besides

[next quarry]

It's just a .01 patch

Nothing major

.05 will have savage and map dungeons

.1 is the big content

[wheat night]

Can't wait for more zenos

[next quarry]

||Zenos is dead|| post ew

[wheat night]

What's the shortcut for spoilers on mobile

[next quarry]

on both sides like
||message||

[sand breach]

LAST lvl90 spoilers ||OH SHIT WE DO BE RIDING ZENOS||

[wheat night]

||Test||

||Zenos lives on in our hearts||

[sand breach]

||also this boss theme is WHOA||

[next quarry]

🙏

||Zenos primal when||

[sand breach]

||soken was like yes you want main theme you want hw you want zodiark i got it||

[wheat night]

Shame the raid so far has meh music

Soken clearly on vacation

[sand breach]

i mean the first eden's gate wasnt exactly that good

outside of titan

[next quarry]

I thought E3 was alright

[sand breach]

but then again some of them were just lifted from other games

[wheat night]

Eh those fights were more about redux primals

Mechanically fun

[next quarry]

The savage version are cool though

[wheat night]

These are neither fun or jammin

[next quarry]

When titan theme changes to the primals version

[marsh osprey]

it had super banger music

lol

e1n was pretty cool

and then e4n was le banger finale

[ornate oar]

aye same a bit dissapointed in 1-3 music

[marsh osprey]

last eden tier was dissapointing besides e12n and e12s p2

[ornate oar]

but 4 is a banger

[marsh osprey]

4 felt like we went into castlevania

[ornate oar]

wdym thancred fight was nice

[marsh osprey]

thancred music was kinda meh

[ornate oar]

it had its charm

[marsh osprey]

not not banger level from other raids

[ornate oar]

true

[marsh osprey]

e5n e6n

remember that

[ornate oar]

ye

[marsh osprey]

but p3n

would have deserved a theme ||worthy of the phoenix||

[ornate oar]

tbh at this point i dont think anything will beat e8

it was too good

just by going wtih views alone it is one of the biggest ffxiv songs

https://youtu.be/GTlbyBg3PeI

[marsh osprey]

yeah e8 was banger

[ornate oar]

man 5.2 was magical

if you ignore the drought by the end

[marsh osprey]

also e8 gonna be the meme savage fight

for a long time

[ornate oar]

hm?

[marsh osprey]

absoluetely brutal

[tulip geyser]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=983o9_of6Hg Excellent editing to make your blood pressure spike and youre not even playing

[marsh osprey]

as long as alexander savage fights but way more mechanics

[ornate oar]

ah i rememba dis video

and yall neva forget one thing

EDEN raids so far had the best raid armor drip

but first tier of this current raid is also good

excited to see what else will come

and also tomestones

gear

[hollow ice]

lol the reason we have 7 for the raid is ||because we got shadow clone jutsud by themis||

[ornate oar]

haha my friend i believe you meant ||Elidibus||

i will not call him ||themis||

[hollow ice]

I think were close enough to call each other by proper names now

[ruby loom]

at the very least the caster chest pieces look really nice for pandaemonium. can't wait to get the dyable versions in a few weeks

[indigo shale]

||themis is pre convocation elidibus, hes not elidibus yet||

[ornate oar]

shush

[marsh osprey]

also pandaemonium could get boring ||if its just beastly castlevania looking beasts for the bosses||

[tulip geyser]

Well to be fair we thought Eden was just "Fix the Empty!" till it wasnt

[hollow ice]

tho doesnt this also mean that the reason ||Elidibus turns himself into a WoL is because he got awestruck by what we did here||

[ornate oar]

||i like that it just feels like our WoL is basically just there for fun||

[ornate oar]

||we will learn of the promise here possibly too||

[ruby loom]

"just another tuesday"

[indigo shale]

||no because he does not know who we are, he thinks we are just a familiar, he was inspired by one of the First warriors of light of the sundered world, who he also copies the appearance of||

[hollow ice]

tfw you are exactly 1 ilvl off from normal

[ornate oar]

go farm ex1 and you will be good

[hollow ice]

or I can just buy a ring XD

[ornate oar]

nay farm all the accesories i said

or i will cut of your balls

[hollow ice]

farm is for the weak

[blazing edge]

huh, is FFXIV updating again for everyone

weird

[lean ore]

updating? 🤔

[fluid basalt]

no?

[sand breach]

lv90 last ||omg zenos is sasuke||

[lean ore]

https://tenor.com/view/soken-fan-fest-lahee-otamatone-hum-gif-21581907

[tardy hare]

anyone else having this on the stone sky sea select screen for pandaemonium?

[lean ore]

idk im in queue

[tardy hare]

wish I could read japanese to know what it's saying

[sand breach]

wood person time some thing smoething

[next quarry]

Just P1/2/3/4 SSS

[sand breach]

WAIT A SEC

||GROWINGWAY????||

[ruby loom]

damn

[marsh osprey]

10 mins

[marsh osprey]

||he really grows on you||

[next quarry]

Took me super fast as dps

[sand breach]

also ||do we really just leave zenos there|| final quest spoilers

[next quarry]

Yes

[sand breach]

thats

[marsh osprey]

||journal mentions hes dead||

[sand breach]

unfortunate

[next quarry]

||His voidsent would eat him up anyway||

[marsh osprey]

more like fortunately

[sand breach]

my bf :(

[marsh osprey]

why the fuck does my sage look so evil

[sand breach]

always has been

[marsh osprey]

"hmmmh which warcrime am i gonna commit today

[sand breach]

oh

100% lalafell reason

[waxen karma]

End the Starlight Celebration prematurely 👍

[marsh osprey]

[waxen karma]

but does one lalafell have what it takes to do so?

[open verge]

Why is lahabrea white

[indigo shale]

?

[open verge]

Why is lahabrea white

[indigo shale]

the fucker body hops a lot, we dont know what his actual appearance is

[elder marsh]

i just figured out that ||the dragons in ultima thule are based off of the burns final boss, which is the same dragon||

[gaunt star]

The Elpis Lahabrea might not be the same Lahabrea we know

Just like Elpis Fandaniel is someone else and Hermes just takes the spot as Fandaniel later on

[late aurora]

You can’t just ask someone why they’re white

[hollow ice]

would you rather be Whole wheat or rye

[ruby loom]

blueberry

[open verge]

Maybe lahabrea forgot he was black

[waxen karma]

I am not so sure about that

they seem to all use the same model

these being the dragon bosses from Brayflox Longstep, Stone Vigil and the Burn

[open verge]

Just model reuse

[elder marsh]

welp

[late aurora]

They’re ||despair ghosts||

[waxen karma]

sorry to burst your bubble Practicalway

[open verge]

What’s that new magic system called

The emotion one

[elder marsh]

i dont pay attention to models much unless its very similar to another thing

[open verge]

I forgot the name seriously

[waxen karma]

||Dynamis||

[open verge]

Thank you

[reef basin]

||akasa/dynamis||

[humble heron]

Are we untagged spoilers now

[open verge]

Thanks bro

[undone hearth]

No

[elder marsh]

its been nearly 3 weeks, but i dunno

[gaunt star]

Where do I unlock the raid?

[olive spruce]

can you solo heal and solo tank ex 1?

[open verge]

Sharlayan

Maybe not solo tank?

[gaunt star]

Probably not solo tank, solo heal is doable

[open verge]

Think he forces a swap

[olive spruce]

it's not forced

but you kinda have to use everything

[waxen karma]

yeah, I think that, in a practical sense, the dragons would appear different if it were a real thing, but since this is a game, all of these dragons just share the same model and are recolored as needed, for convenience

[olive spruce]

I've solo tanked a few busters before

but idk if you have enough cooldowns for evey buster

[humble heron]

I mean warrior has a bunch of healing so in theory you could

[olive spruce]

it's more about mitigation tbh

I was thinking PLD just for the HG

[steady valve]

kinda funny that they're hyping lahabread like the master of masters and we just threw a white pokeball at him and he died

[humble heron]

Actually he lived

He died when he got bodied by thordan

Which is sick as hell

[indigo shale]

thats pretty much how we've dealt with every ascian ||barring fandaniel|| we threw a rock at them

[waxen karma]

sticks and stones... as they say

[humble heron]

Ok, heres an interesting theory: do you think we will ever see Iggeorim or whatever her name is from HW again

[obsidian smelt]

||the new raid area is giving me Castlevania vibes.||

[steady valve]

a thousand years of prayers stick

[humble heron]

Cause i dont think shes dead just trapped

[waxen karma]

the one that was 1/2 of Ascian Prime?

[humble heron]

Yes

[indigo shale]

probably not, because after trapping her, we blew up the auracite with the full power of the dragon eye, so if we see her again itll just be a reincarnation

[humble heron]

Oh i forgot that

[steady valve]

æ2n is giving me e9s ptsd

how does reincarnation for the unsundered ascians work, they should still be whole

[undone hearth]

At best what we’d see is, what... a previous version of her, or if one of the Unsundered managed to lift one of the Sundered shards of her back up to Sundered Ascian status?

[steady valve]

so technically they'd be reborn into an overpowered baby somewhere in eitherys

[indigo shale]

we dont know if they can be reincarnated

probably not, as they are 14/14 and everyone else is 8/14

[marsh osprey]

on a sidenote another big thankers to yoship giving us another limsa

[undone hearth]

Their souls return to the Lifestream like everyone else’s, so theoretically it’s possible... but that’s Future WoL’s problem

[marsh osprey]

sharlayan is so much better than limsa

[humble heron]

Level 89 spoilers ||do you think we will ever return to the aetherial sea via the aitascope? Could be useful to talk to dead people||

[indigo shale]

well even if they are reincarnated they wont be an issue

[undone hearth]

||Doubtful, they specifically said that’s one of the reasons that knowledge of the Aitascope was secret||

[steady valve]

inb4 future WoL goes back in time to current WoL so they can both go back in time

[hollow ice]

inb4 ||we have to save amon from asahi by traveling to hell||

[humble heron]

I mean id be down

Fuck that shitheel

[wheat night]

Let the little tyke have his vengeance

[waxen karma]

||I don't think so. As tempting as it might be, I don't think it would make for strong storytelling since that'd be kind of a cope out solution to a problem, besides, if it were doable, I am sure that Thancred would have tried already so to speak to Minfilia ||

[indigo shale]

||why would we save amon||

[steady valve]

I mean doesn't amon want to stay there and be all gloomy and emo for eternity

[humble heron]

He deserves literally nothing

[hollow ice]

who knows cuz random plot help on some later story beat

[steady valve]

asahi's simping powers literally so powerful he created hell

[indigo shale]

||amon and asahi can enjoy hell together as they talk about how much they love xande and zenos respectively||

[undone hearth]

||Does Thancred have special dialogue in Trust when you see Minfilia there?||

[humble heron]

Any opportunity to fuck with ||asahi|| i will take

[wheat night]

Probably

Tsukiyomi prob down there too

What we saw was actually the first link in the chain

[waxen karma]

I wouldn't know. I am a tank by trade and so am never in a position to take him into a dungeon

[obsidian smelt]

||that zenos nobbgobbler can stay in hell thank you.||

[wheat night]

||Tsukiyomi has her moment about dragging Asahi down to hell 2||

[hollow ice]

oh snap 3rd raid boss ||is dead graandpas cousin from boston the phoinix||

[waxen karma]

||If Zenos is truly dead... what will Asahi do with him around? ||

[steady valve]

phoenix made in china, the foynix

[undone hearth]

||Dang. I had accidentally queued for it normal instead of trust as heals, so I missed any of that all||

[indigo shale]

||well nothing, assumedly his voidsent will eat his soul and possibly steal his body, so asahi will never see zenos again||

[waxen karma]

you should be able to run it again though... I think you would have to level them up now which is super tedious if you wanted to see that

[hollow ice]

he just ||gets shocked, cries a little and thanks her||

[obsidian smelt]

||exacty what you would expect.||

[hollow ice]

nah you can just run the non level up version

[waxen karma]

[undone hearth]

||Ah, fair enough, and sounds about right - thanks!||

[waxen karma]

||as far as people predicting that we go fix the 13th of it's... uh... predicament, I am less sure about the practicality of such a plan. As far as we know, or I know anyway, there is nearly no land to speak of, it is mostly just a void, different to the situation on the first. So I am not sure how that would be resolved if the story did delve into that||

[humble heron]

Simple, we make archwings and fly around, ezclap

[waxen karma]

the world remade with fleets apun fleets of Voidarcs and the like, yes?

[humble heron]

Yes yes

[open verge]

Simply go to elpis and wait a long enough time so the void doesn’t get made

Feel like the msq is gonna cut off our access to elpis story wise

[indigo shale]

probably, like with the tempest

thats cut off story wise now

[open verge]

Is it?

Story wise the creation magic is all gone or somethign?

[indigo shale]

well firstly bismarcks breath isnt a permanent effect so it should all be back flooded, and the recreation of amourot isnt permanent either now emet is dead the aether starts to dissapate

[waxen karma]

it would make sense, yes. The whole reason we allegedly still have access is due to the unresolved thread where ||we meet with Elidibus, after that is resolved though, it would make sense that our access is removed||

[waxen karma]

even if the creation magic stil stood, Bismark's bubble won't last forever

[open verge]

Oh that’s right

They could easily do the same with ultima

The protection is all gone and it’s Inhabitable

[undone hearth]

Pretty sure the sahaguin didn’t appreciate their water being turned into air, so they’d probably try to fix it

[waxen karma]

technically, I guess you could argue we could still be there due to the blessing given to us that allows us to swim unabated underwater, but in a practical sense, the dev team would not remake the zone to answer that point of contradiction

[indigo shale]

well we could swim there due to the koijin blessing, yes, but amourot would still be gone, itll be back to ruins story wise

[open verge]

Amaurot is just time bubbled

I expect the same with elpi and ultima

[waxen karma]

right, also like Kugane where the Consulate guards still fail to acknowledge the going ons of the world

[waxen karma]

||Less sure about Ultima in the present sense since the 'lil buns seem to have an invested interest in the place and there seems to be evidence of a future side story to take place there||

[open verge]

||meteion mentions the scions protection won’t protect you forever||

Definitely enough to gate it off from story purposes later

[undone hearth]

||True, but that was also when there was an active opposing force in the form of Meteion||

[open verge]

I’m just saying

If the devs wanted to do it

They easily could lol

[undone hearth]

Oh, no doubt on that

[waxen karma]

||the only hostile force was Meteion who was actively trying to kill you, with her defeated, there should no longer be any force present that would bring harm to those present in the zone. The 'lil buns even say pre-entrance to the place that it was a technically livable zone||

[open verge]

Definitely still get use through the rest of Endwalker

[late aurora]

Didn’t ||we fix that when we summoned the boys||

[open verge]

Don’t even remember

[undone hearth]

||It’s less certain how easy we’ll be able to access it in the future, since right now the ship exists in both places simultaneously due to Quantum Plot Shenanigans, but that could end up changing over time||

[open verge]

I wonder how aetherytes work in those 2 zones

If you teleport to the aetheryte story wise wouldn’t you just end up dead or some shit

[waxen karma]

||there is at least one means to get there and back since the side story that is active is going on, but after it ends, that may change who knows||

[undone hearth]

||Oh right, we did, yeah||

[open verge]

||just teleporting to elpis and you end up in the middle of nowehrre||

Can people still travel to the moon

If they like just wanted to

[undone hearth]

Yeah

[indigo shale]

||probably, teleporter is still active, and set co-ordinates ||

[undone hearth]

||Urianger says that the Forum and the Loporrits are working on repurposing the moon into something else, now that its primary purpose is unnecessary||

[open verge]

That’s true

I wonder if they plan to descale the next expansion

Well they do

[waxen karma]

|| afaik, aetherytes have you travel through the life stream or something like that. Since there isn't any technical connection (that I am aware of) that connects the world to Ultima Thule, there would be no way to teleport to it via aether. It's just there as a player convenience I would presume. ||

[open verge]

But I wonder how they’ll go about it

Oh so there’s nothing to worry about them

I do wonder what the 12 actually are especially after emet hinted it

And I hope we kill them all

We probably won’t sad

[waxen karma]

6.1 should answer this

[undone hearth]

With the other raid, yeah

[waxen karma]

or start to anyway

[open verge]

It will for sure

[hollow ice]

the alliance raid we do know has something to do with the 12

[fluid basalt]

hopefully azeyma shows up

[open verge]

Oh right

We don’t see the current azem

So we still don’t know the azem we come from right?

[undone hearth]

I’m just still curious as to who the Mol’s “elder gods” are

[waxen karma]

||we likely will never meet the Azem of Elpis||

[open verge]

I think we will

Not anytime soon likely

But maybe not

Is the gender of azem player specific?

[undone hearth]

Seems to be, yeah

[open verge]

Azem having to be a male and female version is the only reason why I think they might never show up

[next quarry]

If we ever do meet azem it's gonna be them in a cloak that we can't see the face in

[open verge]

Or maybe they cover their face

[indigo shale]

if we dont see azem in panda, we never will as the HvZ arc is over, no real reason to do anything with the ancients again

[undone hearth]

At the very end cutscene, with the lead-in to Pandaemonium, the text apparently has a player gender tag at least

[hollow ice]

I dont think hed have to be gender specific at all

cuz reincarnation

[waxen karma]

the devs like the player to have control of their own past and history, for the player to come up with that stuff. The ||Elpis Azem is likely treated as an extension of this ideology, especially since when referenced, the Elpis Azem matches the gender of your player character.|| Which seems to support the idea that we will never meet them

[next quarry]

Whenever they mention azem they say she/he depending on the player character

[indigo shale]

we've know azem is tied to player gender since 5.3, as hythlodaeus shade is talking about the 14th seat and its crystal

[open verge]

It’s a lot more interesting to never meet them anyway

I rather not know the character I’m directly descended from

[next quarry]

||Our reincarnation is the closest, most likely due to he number of rejoinings?||

[open verge]

Something about not knowing is way cooler

[indigo shale]

||yeah it is and then they went and gave the final days a source we could fight, would have been better if it remained a mysterious cosmic force that no one knew||

[fluid basalt]

they were fine with us meeting ||Ardbert||... so why not ||the original||

[undone hearth]

Yeah. I feel if we do somehow interact with them, it won’t have a model like the other Ancients

[indigo shale]

the most we've seen of azem is elidibus seeing an ancient as he approaches us in 5.3, black robe and black mask

[open verge]

I mean

They had to

[indigo shale]

well they didnt

[open verge]

Did the exact same thing with sin eaters don’t see the problem

[indigo shale]

as everything before that point never implied the final days was anything major outside of the source, it was just a keening sound that eminated from the core of the world itself causing people to panic and losing control of creation magic

[open verge]

Yea everything before we found about what actually caused it

Don’t see the problem

[indigo shale]

well the sound beneath the world has just been ignored

[gaunt star]

Was hoping todays patch would have been to help with the servers and queue times, though it would seem not. Still got over 3k ppl in queue

[humble heron]

I mean the biggest issue with the queue times is people playing

[undone hearth]

They did fix the 1.0 2002 bug apparently, so there is that

[waxen karma]

out of interest, there is one scene in the MSQ that I don't think has any clear explanation?

||It was a transitional cutscene, short, and focused on Ishgard. There was the sound, and someone said it was a dragon, but this was never revisited. We also saw a shambling guy show signs of turning but I don't think that ever really came up as an issue either when talking with the Ishgard people||

[minor wren]

||I'm guessing you played the caster role quest?||

[gaunt star]

Looks like they changed the "unable to obtain character info" text, but now it says "they display of character" 🤣

[waxen karma]

[lean ore]

a

[iron haven]

Just checking, there's no savage raids with this 6.01 update right ?

[waxen karma]

nope

6.05 pretty sure

[iron haven]

Only the quests for normal raids are there

[next quarry]

Yes

[waxen karma]

like I said, 6.05

[neon wing]

Zenos ||struck a bargain with the same person that he kidnapped to perform aether extraction from||

Only realized this today

[lean ore]

https://tenor.com/view/smirk-anime-anime-girl-smirk-zenith-evil-smirk-funny-smile-gif-20308316

[broken mist]

yeah, i just saw that

[lavish zodiac]

Does estinien ride every greatwrym we meet?

[lean ore]

yes

except || Zenos, we ride that ||

[hollow ice]

welp im legally obligated to grind ||the 4th raid bat minion||

[lean ore]

easy tomestones too from "first run" bonuses

[hollow ice]

who cares about that when ||bat||

[lean ore]

i mean ure farming for the fugly minion while getting tomestones :v

ure getting it regardless so caring or not

[next quarry]

I got ex weapons for jobs I haven't leveled yet

Pain

[lean ore]

atleast u run ex 😔

[hollow ice]

you mean im farming for the amazing minion while getting some cheap tomestones

[next quarry]

||Fug the bat man||

[lean ore]

xdd

[oblique whale]

new allagan tomestones for what exactly?

I thought we already have new ones

unless its for crafting?

[marsh osprey]

this raid top is hard to glam

[marsh osprey]

we have ilevel 570 tomestones

in january we get 590 tomestones

[lean ore]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/100463940835762176/907392355810824262/helltaker-yshtola-2-1.gif

[oblique whale]

ahh okay, thank you

[marsh osprey]

reaper threatening me

[wet mountain]

Your lalafell is too tall

[blazing edge]

i think its high time i do Kugane Castle

[blazing edge]

Dunno if anyone answered, but this is given an explanation in the Caster Role Quest

[indigo shale]

you should do DR its quite fun imo

[granite nimbus]

It's fun, but also goddamned nail-biting even after you've done it a few times.

Mess up twice and you're dead.

No exceptions.

Out of curiosity, what does everyone think of SMN right now?

I've only gotten it to Level 60 so I think it's fun.

But apparently its DPS is in the pits?

[next quarry]

Its

Simple

Honestly it feels like a job you'd play at 70

[frosty jolt]

||so why is dracula in pandaemonium?||

[thorny flax]

I like it more than the previous version. it has less bullshit. way less actually

[next quarry]

Bahamut > (Summon button > Summon attack) x3 > Phoenix

[granite nimbus]

Damn it, missed a screenshot of my WoL's jaw dropping.

[marsh osprey]

fucking potd reaper weapon is literally relic

holy shit

[patent pine]

hey where can i pick up the pandemonium quest?

[humble heron]

sharly

[patent pine]

where exactly? i'm in sharlyan and i see nothing

[marsh osprey]

sharlayan close to baldesion annex aetheryte

you cant miss it

[patent pine]

thanks!

found it

[livid oracle]

Quests that unlock stuff like this have a blue quest icon with a cross on it to differentiate it from normal worthless quests

[runic brook]

so is || Themis = Elidibus? ||

^EW raid stoy spoiler

[marsh osprey]

we dont know

story is sure to get interesting

[dim jay]

It's most likely though yes. ||he was voiced at the end end of EW and it was elidbus's voice||

but we don't know for sure, some people think it's going to be something else

[marsh osprey]

if you ask me the current raid tier is rather lukewarm story wise

and the bosses are rather unappealing

[runic brook]

|| It'd be weird if he was elidibus' son, like the other guy is lahabrea's son||

[dim jay]

it's always that way. the first two raid tiers are slow story wise and then the last tier jams everything and the kitchen sink in there ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[next quarry]

||I think he will become the lahabrea we know||

[thorny flax]

I hope they learned from eden regarding the story

eden's story pacing was really fucking bad

[dim jay]

it's more likely that ||Eric will become our Lahabarah. ||

Especially since|| 1. in the EW main story line Elidbus remembers us in Elpis. and 2. this character had his voice and has his aesthetics ||

[next quarry]

that who i mean

[dim jay]

oh I thought you were talking about ||white haired boy|| and I was VERY confused about how you got to that conclusion haha

[next quarry]

||themis is obviously Elidibus, and Elidibus had known Lahabrea and Igaehorm for a long time, seeing 5.3 on his death||

[marsh osprey]

negative, the only other first raid tier that was kinda lukewarm gameplay wise was omega

but it had decent music

[next quarry]

yknow, Titan slapped because titan

[marsh osprey]

every other first raid tier slapped in one way or another

with alexander probably being the hardest one to date

[next quarry]

im just waiting to hear P4 phase 2 music

that might make it for me

[marsh osprey]

Yeah i hope they make up with savage

Because im rather dissapointed

[dawn briar]

by pits you mean ranking nearly at the top

[mortal arrow]

hopefully this doesn't come off spoilery, but did anyone else have trouble seeing attacks in Raid #3? the colors really blended and i had a lot of trouble. Again sorry if this is breaking any rules, i've just looked all over the place and found no other complaints so i didnt know if it was just me or not

[marsh osprey]

nono its fine

it can be difficult to see shit there

[next quarry]

took me a while to see the difference between the center aoe and the one that circles the area

[shut epoch]

the telegraph colors and the arena colors do blend in a little, yeah

i had to disable my gshade to see things clearly

[marsh osprey]

the center one is really bad tbh

literally nuclear

[mortal arrow]

like i know there are colorblind options but i've only had issues with that arena, no other

[marsh osprey]

but the circle ones are meh and you can ignore and stand in middle

[shut epoch]

they do sometimes get the color spread wrong and end up having to adjust it down the road if too many people have trouble with it

[marsh osprey]

i do have issues with the cleaves from the little bits, they are so small and its annoying to see when they appear

[mortal arrow]

i'm glad to know it wasn't just me lol

[shut epoch]

i remember them having to adjust parts of mt. gulg because of how hard it was to see telegraphs on the white parts

even with gshade off i really had to squint to see them pre-adjustment lol

[marsh osprey]

white and fire just are really bad markers

i still wish e12s p2 would have seen adjustments

[granite nimbus]

https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statistics/42#

FFLogs in Extreme say otherwise.

Granted, there could be issues with the data collection process.

I don't really know how this works.

[marsh osprey]

which job we talking about

ah smn

summoner will stay low dps sadly

[granite nimbus]

SMN, yeah.

[marsh osprey]

maybe it gets some slight buffs

but dont expect summoner to have redmage or blackmage dps

[static niche]

is2g if we ||don't meet venat in this new raid story I will murder everything. i need more venat||

oh huh.

||elbidius and azem friend? o3o||

[marsh osprey]

smn is now the option if you dont want another physical ranged but still need raidbuff and ranged

meanwhile healers

sage being absolutely ridiculous

and reaper is ridiculous too

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmh

[dim hedge]

Oh, well sge haven't been maimed by patches, yet

[marsh osprey]

needs nerfs

[dawn briar]

I'm not sure what you mean

[grand olive]

Hii, I know that nobody knows the release date but based on previous patches, how long do they take until they release 6.1? Just a rough idea so i can plan ahead

[marsh osprey]

reaper needs massive nerfs in the grand scheme of things

[humble heron]

6.1 in like march

[static niche]

i wonder how ||azem always know to not be there when we're there.||

[marsh osprey]

you can be literally garbage reaper and still do avg dragoon player dps

[grand olive]

Ahh okay thank you :D!

[static niche]

fucking how

[marsh osprey]

[static niche]

yeah but how is that possible

[dawn briar]

There's multiple sam's in the top 100 and it's nearly the same as monk reaper is just overtuned but likely get tuned down

[marsh osprey]

reaper is apparently easy to play

[dawn briar]

Yeah it is

[marsh osprey]

and has op numbers

[static niche]

so roll face win game

[marsh osprey]

even if you just roll your keyboard

you are better than dragoon

[dawn briar]

When all is said in done though it'll probally be sam right back on top along with monk

[static niche]

so glad monk is great again

[marsh osprey]

unlikely

[grand olive]

Has blm really fallen down this patch?

[dim hedge]

But

[dawn briar]

It's dragoon and ninja really getting the shaft atm

[marsh osprey]

sam is too difficult to compare to reaper

[dim hedge]

No more 6 monks brotherhood

[dawn briar]

Blm always falls down at the start til people understand what they can just not move for

[marsh osprey]

and sam hasnt really changed

[static niche]

what'd you expect. the class that have to stay in one place to be top tier?

[dim hedge]

We need 8 Monks

[marsh osprey]

top sam cant beat top reaper

unless they nerf the latter

[grand olive]

@static nicheMm I figured because it has such disadvantages and it's quite difficult to play well that it would still be on top for dps

[dawn briar]

The difference is within the normal variance raid at the start of the expansion

[dim hedge]

I'll just continue to be my kazoo support deeps

[blazing edge]

BLM is basically the job you play if you really like optimizing encounters, right?

[static niche]

pld buff when

6.1 when

AAAA

THORDAN ULTIMATE WHEN

[marsh osprey]

yes blm is pure optimization and you knowing your kit extremely well

to adjust

[grand olive]

I don't really know too much about this stuff anyway so i shouldn't speculate anything xD! I only started this game a few months ago

[static niche]

why are you here

you like being spoiled eh

[blazing edge]

The best BLMs tend to be really mobile while still flinging out damage lol

[grand olive]

No, I finished all of the game

[static niche]

scam

[dawn briar]

blm is more mobile then most people realize

[static niche]

few months in and you have everything done?

smh smh scam. ban when

[grand olive]

I mean like 4 or 5 btw

[marsh osprey]

if we go by current standards, blm is still a melee dps worth of damage

so it doesnt suck

[grand olive]

But yeah, I did all of the game

[blazing edge]

Swiftcast, Between the Lines, Aetherial Manipulation, Polyglot...

I forgot the rest, still levelling BLM

Oh yeah, Thunder procs

[marsh osprey]

blm was the most mobile mage

[dawn briar]

Most of the dps is pretty fine overall reaper being overtuned isn't really that unexpected

[grand olive]

I started as thm but i always dropped my enochian :D! I only began genuinely using it when they changed enochian to be easier for casuals like me

[marsh osprey]

in shb

[dawn briar]

few need a few pot fixes but

[marsh osprey]

blm is still mobile

but

summoner exists

[blazing edge]

SMN is mostly instacasts now

[marsh osprey]

summoner is physical ranged

[dawn briar]

My guess with smn is they didn't wanna make them to strong considering the movement they now have but went low first to see how it panned out

[marsh osprey]

but uses magic

pretty much

[dawn briar]

better to undertune at the start and work up

[marsh osprey]

smn can never be strong

now

it would be ridiculous

[dawn briar]

They'll likely still get above most prange overall though when all is said and don

and it's easy to play so more people will play a mage

[marsh osprey]

i mean i think its their way of making a mage more attractive

mage isnt really the most well loved of jobs with the limited mobility

physical ranged and melees are in favor because they can do big damage and run around freely

[dawn briar]

Yeah because unless your playing with like people in the top 250 you'll still out dps tons of people because the class is easier

[static niche]

||so elidibius is SO OP he could summons 7 of us to help us lmao||

[dawn briar]

Why do my clones look different 😄

[thorny flax]

I honestly appreciate people more that admit that some jobs are too hard for them and play something that is easy which makes them do more dps than the people that play the difficult jobs just because they don't want to admit that they can't handle it

[static niche]

because ||they decided to be fashionable||

[thorny flax]

and therefore do less dps

[marsh osprey]

funnily enough i played scholar but now do sage

[dawn briar]

Yeah I'd rather have a average smn over most meele players so far

[marsh osprey]

because playing scholar is headache

and sage isnt and does more dps too

[grand olive]

I still like astrologian as my favourite class even though i guess sage is the best healer ❤️

[dawn briar]

Like sure if you get a top reaper or sam in your group great but if your pugging that's far from the norm.

[south flare]

sheesh my first run of the new raid and people were pissed at me for not knowing the mechanics

sorry i guess?

[marsh osprey]

ast is sadly complete crap right now

[grand olive]

Lol 😄

[marsh osprey]

they will buff it

[grand olive]

What makes them so bad btw?

[marsh osprey]

no dps

[grand olive]

Oh yeah, well ast never had good dps anyway

[thorny flax]

shockingly I enjoy all healers so far this expansion. even AST which I originally hated

[dawn briar]

Well that's cause it's the same 4 mechanics you've seen before 😄

The ole knock, out of middle, spread, stack.

[marsh osprey]

you literally play well and just do way less than other healers

on ast

[dawn briar]

The classics.

[south flare]

still, i'm just trying to have a fun time and its ruined by people telling me to go to hell

[dawn briar]

well the raid tier is kinda like hell

so you didn't have to go far

[grand olive]

Mm i suppose, but i like buffing other people with cards :D! It's fun

[marsh osprey]

@grand oliveas a example, the absolute best asts do less damage than the average sages

[dawn briar]

doesn't ast have the most healing atm

[marsh osprey]

yes but whm and sage do too

ast better but the dps loss is too huge

[dawn briar]

eh there's no dps checks atm anyways

[grand olive]

I don't really like that liturgy spell on whm, i prefer macro cosmos

[marsh osprey]

dps checks dont matter

this is performance

[dawn briar]

which doesn't matter

[marsh osprey]

and ast does bad

it matters a lot

[dawn briar]

nope

gonna be fixed before it matters

[marsh osprey]

once the actual content releases

yes

[dawn briar]

yeah so it doesn't matter

[marsh osprey]

they will have to fix

[dawn briar]

you can do dick all atm

[grand olive]

I mean, for me, i'm never going to do 99% parses anyway so I'll just play ast that i like :D!

[dawn briar]

play have fun patch will fix and bam you raid

[marsh osprey]

hence we say ast is bad and needs fixes

[dawn briar]

nah they'd still do fine in the raid tier if left alone

[marsh osprey]

as of now ast would die

because it just cant do the damage

[dawn briar]

your talking about such a small percentage of the player base most people in mc/sc wouldn't give a f

[grand olive]

Out of curiosity, does that factor in all the raid buffs and stuff ast gives or is it just not good enough including that

[marsh osprey]

the average sage player

does better dps

than the best asts

thats how bad it is