retired-patch-6-3-discussion

[haughty crater]

what does that mean 😭

[late aurora]

Only current raids have Lockout

[frozen shoal]

I mean ppl will do it regardless for loot and glam, you don't need to artificially increase participation. I had no problem getting into Eden raids when it didn't have lockouts

[orchid nimbus]

If only.... If you need on chest + accessory you won't have a chest the first week. If you need only on chest you will have to re do the fight but you will get it eventually

[haughty crater]

Ya thats what it strikes me as, a system so that you're encouraged to do content you may or may not want to, simply due to the lockouts

[ember steeple]

it's not so much for artificial reasons, it's moreso they want it to be a grind to get bis as well

[tropic frigate]

I see it more as a casual thing for lockout to exist

[late aurora]

Actually I just realized something

The drops are gonna be slightly different for 1 & 2 because no belt

[frozen shoal]

Yeah imma just go for the chest pieces only and hope for the best

[fluid basalt]

hope they add chest/legs tokens to replace belts

[ember steeple]

something to do weekly is pretty flexible, and yeah drops are probably spaced out differently now

[orchid nimbus]

If you have time to clear multiple time go for it ! But everyone is going to do the same 😄

[haughty crater]

as I understand it, accessories are always the worst, even if you're getting 2 accessories compared to 1 armor slot

O also our "armor" will be better for now since we have only 570 from aph

[late aurora]

You only need 4 accessory tokens

[ember steeple]

if you're looking at it purely numerically from stats, yeah but there's different spreads of them people might want

[late gulch]

Is WAR getting nerfed?

I hope to God no

[late aurora]

No job changes, it’s not Savage

[haughty crater]

I just want a ring, screw the meta 😎

[frozen shoal]

I just want the glam piece lol

[ember steeple]

the meta will pretty much get overturned in two weeks with crafted gear, go crazy tbh

[late gulch]

So... Is it live?

[late aurora]

No, but we aren’t getting job changes

[ember steeple]

nope, patch isn't likely to end early due to weekly resets

[late aurora]

Because it’s not Savage yet

[warm glen]

has anyone rgba colors of new jobs? 😃

[haughty crater]

So does savage use the same token system just with different tokens... maybe I should watch the rest of that video

[late gulch]

So. I'm thinking DRK is going to get massive changes

[late aurora]

!faq savageloot

[lusty shadow]

What floors of savage drop which items?

Per tier:
First floor: (Belt/Earring/Necklace/Bracelet/Ring) x3
Second floor: (Head/Gloves/Boots) x2 + Weapon Tomestone + Tomestone Accessory upgrade
Third floor: Head/Gloves/Boots + Legs + Tomestone Armor upgrade + Tomestone Weapon upgrade
Fourth floor: Weapon + Chest + Random single weapon + Mount + Minion

Loot Rules: Following each weekly reset, every player has a chance to obtain loot from the Savage encounters of the current raid tier. Upon clearing each floor, you will obtain 1 book specific to that fight (e.g. Book of Anamorphosis) and a chance to roll on the loot from that floor. Regardless of if you obtained loot from your weekly clear, you will be barred from rolling on loot from the same encounter until the next weekly reset.

Entering an encounter before clearing the previous floor(s) will relinquish all rewards from previously uncleared floors. (e.g. Entering E12S before clearing E9S for the week will relinquish loot from E9S, E10S, and E11S.) You will lose a chance to earn a book and your chance to roll on any loot that drops that week.

The number of players in your party that have cleared/skipped the encounter for the week will also affect the loot you will get after clearing the encounter.
0 players cleared: 2 chests
1-4 players cleared: 1 chest
5-8 players cleared: 0 chests

[late aurora]

Less loot, the more people that cleared for the week

[late gulch]

Yeah so you gotta be on point with whom you go with

[late aurora]

It’s Savage

You were doing that anyway

[late gulch]

If you want your friends to get loot with you, you gotta do it with em

[ember steeple]

savage does have different more universal in a way tokens, but you also have coffers drop straight up but less of them overall

video's probably a lot better at explaining it

[haughty crater]

So those are actual gear drops in savage, not tokens, and the books are "pity" gear similar to EX

But in NORMAL we are only getting tokens, can farm endlessly for the specific token we want

but you only get ONE per boss

[ember steeple]

savage is endgame content, more difficult and the weekly lockout is much more strict than that of normal

[dawn plume]

is there some advice what token to go for in normal ?

[late aurora]

What do you need

[dawn plume]

i assume stuff thats not in extremes

[late aurora]

That’s it

[haughty crater]

the savage system makes a lot more sense to me tbh

or more along the lines of what id expect

[late aurora]

But Savage is HARD

[ember steeple]

ehhh there's more to it than that, depending if people cleared it you have less chests spawn, or no chests if it's too many people so

[haughty crater]

Yeah yeah hardcore content for hardcore raiders etc etc

[orchid nimbus]

Yup, you can do savage. Normal = Easy and Farm / Savage = Hard and Direct (mostly) reward

[haughty crater]

optimal rotations and screaming raid leaders

[late aurora]

“You managed to live, here’s gear to survive the next floor”

[livid oracle]

Bahamut, Neo Exdeath, etc, still have instakill mechanics regardless of echo/extreme echo and regardless of your HP. If you don't do the mechanic, you can't brute force it by boosting HP

[shrewd bobcat]

did they fix sound in 6.01?

[wind bough]

Normal mode is basically go for left side pieces

Since we already have 580 accs

[abstract harbor]

who cares about the raid, this is what i've been waiting for

[haughty crater]

theres something in the notes about a sound fix

[haughty crater]

yup

[wind bough]

They have done work to try to fix the bug where sounds stop playing

They think it should be fixed

[haughty crater]

the low ilvl beet soup is actually a quest item too, found that out the other day when I searched the MB and saw both

[ember steeple]

i guess you could go for a 580 ring if you really wanted but left side's better

[frozen shoal]

Chance for game to be live in 10 mins?

[dawn plume]

0

[ember steeple]

not likely until daily reset

[orchid nimbus]

none

[frozen shoal]

Isnt reset in 10 mins?

Or is it 70 mins?

[shrewd bobcat]

daily reset in 10

game live 1 or 2 hours

[orchid nimbus]

Earlier i've seen was 30 mn after reset

[frozen shoal]

I wish I could've actually slept tonight but instead my body decided that sleeping for 3 hours yesterday isn't an excuse for me to go to bed early today

[haughty crater]

See now there's another issue with the loot system. If I pick up a ring to replace my 2nd (weak) ring, now I have 1 token I cant use

[dawn plume]

then dont roll for it ?

[ember steeple]

you still got something out of the week?

[haughty crater]

But I want a ring 🙂

[dawn plume]

i mean dont roll past the first one

or just do ex1

for rings

[ember steeple]

then you know the cost of getting a ring

[haughty crater]

Ya I have all the ex1 and ex2 gear

the cost of getting a ring is not 1 token its 2 tokens cause the other gear drops are in multiples of 2

😭

[fluid basalt]

that's why people will avoid accessory tokens at all costs

[ember steeple]

until next week sure, the tokens are permanent and I can't really foresee a few item spaces breaking the bank

there's a different problem if it does

[late aurora]

Unless they lowered the price later...

[fluid basalt]

accessory is one

[haughty crater]

if I have 4 apples

[late aurora]

And the ring is unique, so it is also 1

[haughty crater]

and I chew one of them into a circle and put it on my finger

then I have 3 apples

how am I supposed to buy a 4 token chestpiece with 3 apples

[late aurora]

Come back next week

[ember steeple]

you can then either save those 3 apples to make a chest, or take 2 of those apples as gloves, head, or shoes

[late aurora]

Dude the raids aren’t going anywhere

[ember steeple]

the raid tokens don't expire, they transfer week to week

[late aurora]

They’re just items in your inventory

[haughty crater]

clearly optimal play is ignoring these tokens, farming gil, and buying crafted in 2 weeks 😎

[late aurora]

Okay you do that

[orchid nimbus]

I'll happily sell those to you for 1~2 million gils in 2 weeks 😄

[haughty crater]

The theory is that if I dont spent hours and hours in raid I can spend hours and hours farming gil 😎

but i hate farming 😭

[fluid basalt]

it's all farming, tokens, gil, etc

[haughty crater]

6.01 download is up

[cerulean lynx]

https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/ZI7TTUgt0JYOP6V_-lpd-pVqNuwD1MLrm7jzBXQRvsU/https/pbs.twimg.com/media/FHGnzl1X0AMulBs.png%3Alarge

well thank god for that

[haughty crater]

the low ilvl beet soup is actually a quest item too, found that out the other day when I searched the MB and saw both

[wide delta]

were raid tiers always unlocked in patches? Right now there's 4 first pandaemonium raids, then you get savage in a few weeks, when are another 4 coming?

6.1?

[tulip geyser]

6.2

[wind bough]

6.2

6.2

6.1 is 24man

[tulip geyser]

I can numbers

[wind bough]

6.2 is Panda 5--8

6.3 24man,
6.4 P9-12,
6.5 24-man

[wide delta]

i wasnt even aware, i always thought they just dropped the whole raid on you (all 12) after you complete msq

[wind bough]

They are unlocked as separate tiers, hence why they're called tiers

[wide delta]

and usually additional primals (for example four lords) get drip fed every patch too?

[late aurora]

So you clearly weren’t here for post ShB

[wide delta]

i started playing late summer and i'm currently 78 msq, so yes, you are correct :D

[tulip geyser]

Well the scheduling for this go round is...interesting because the story usually finishes in x3 so they skip the trial series for that one, but no story finish there this time so

[fierce wing]

wher am i supposed to go to start the raid prequest?

[urban phoenix]

is there a ping when servers are up?

a bot ping or somethin?

[fierce wing]

they're up already tho

[haughty crater]

uhh wat

[urban phoenix]

really?

nice.....xivlauncher said its still maintenance

[haughty crater]

mine just came up

[tulip geyser]

Yeah I just happened to alt tab to the launcher and saw green play lol

[urban phoenix]

nooooooooice

lets roooolll

[fierce wing]

It's here

[urban phoenix]

man and i cant play raid till this evening

cuz fc

[jade relic]

I’m out at dinner for another hour rip me

[fierce wing]

I just needed to get in before JP peak time

[urban phoenix]

i still dont understand the loot lockout rules for xiv

like

if i do the raid now

is that bad for my fc mates because they get less loot?

or can i help em and just are not allowed to roll?

[gaunt star]

where to find asph quests

[late aurora]

Most likely zone 5

[gaunt star]

uly?

ult*

[late aurora]

Wait no it’s sharlyan

Then we probably go to zone 5

[lean ore]

oh no hes hot

[mild notch]

Wait so houses aren't available this patch?

[glossy hemlock]

6.1

[frozen shoal]

The castinf/healer set from new raids is cute af

[glossy hemlock]

Not 6.01

[marsh osprey]

Patch live?

[frozen shoal]

Ye

[marsh osprey]

Thx

[frozen shoal]

30 mins ago

[marsh osprey]

43 queue

Lol

[late aurora]

Oooh new ||bishie boy||

[fluid basalt]

everyone ||so pretty in the past huh||

[late aurora]

||Themis||

[fluid basalt]

heaven

[late aurora]

Overseen by the ||Words of Lahabrea||, we in there boys

[brisk quail]

Lockout rules (in a 4 fight raid tier)

1. For normal content...
   Fight 1-3: 1 token per fight
   Fight 4: 1 token + 1 werkly token (aka the weapon token)

Gear ranges in 'cost' with less important/stat leaning gear costing less and higher more...
Eg: Accessories cost 1 accessory token, pants cost 4 pants tokens and weapons cost 8 weapon tokens (the weekly token)

2. For savage content
   Fights are locked out in order.
   Fight 1 > 2 > 3 > 4
   If you zone into/skip a fight all previous fights are counted as 'looted'

Every week you get ONE chance to roll on loot, this means opening the chest in the instance and seeing/rolling on loot

Upon a clear, chests will appear based on the number of players who have NOT cleared the selected fight this week.
0 clears: 2 chests
1-4 no clears: 1 chest
5 or more: no chests

Gear in savage is instanced into coffers meaning it's omni-class (post SB)

Upon every fight clear, one per week you get a page/book which can be used to buy the gear of your choosing upon collecting enough tokens

[urban phoenix]

that sucks

[brisk quail]

Additionally

You can roll on EVERY item in a savage chest.

[lean ore]

damn first one down /sweat

[urban phoenix]

those who can play much are punished

[brisk quail]

But Normal Raid lockouts only usually last a few patches

[urban phoenix]

doesnt matter

[brisk quail]

Where after the gear is dated you can roll freely and gear up alt jobs

Without spending gil

Or tomes

[fleet basalt]

Huh, I thought that the new quests were coming out with this patch? Or will they be unlocked later?

[urban phoenix]

i cant ^replay the boss

[brisk quail]

You can replay the boss. But not for loot

You have to limit the speed at which players can gear.

This is what every MMO does

Part luck, part skill

Being consistent in clears and rolling high

[urban phoenix]

^still bad design i write more

âfter finishing healing this dungeon

[terse cargo]

its not bad design? they dont want u in BIS gear the first week on a current tier. if u think its bad design then u really shouldnt raid then,or play mmo's in general

[urban phoenix]

someone cant wait

[brisk quail]

A tried and true formula lasting for decades and spawning an entire genre of games? Bad design

[fleet basalt]

I understand not liking it, but bad design? That makes no sense

[late aurora]

Oh come on I’m 3 item levels off

[terse cargo]

well thats a you problem then,if u cant handle it dont play,pretty cut and dry,cause they arent changing the system they've used since ARR

[brisk quail]

And like

This isn't a FFXIV thing

This is an MMO thing

[urban phoenix]

jesus christ you people really cant wait

[late aurora]

You’re a healer, adjust/s

[brisk quail]

Weekly lockouts give players motivation to do contents at certain times.

Allows the playerbase to network

And allows a constant flow of players

Rather than every tryhard omega raider beating the fights 16 times in the first week and dropping FFXIV like a flaming spider

[urban phoenix]

sure try writing a wall of text while healing newbs in the deads ends

[brisk quail]

But. I'm gonna try sleep now. Do raid in the morning. Have fun y'all

[fleet basalt]

I mean no personal offense with this, but it serves to say that MMOs do not give out the best gear from the getgo, unlike other types of games such as shooters. Getting the best gear requires a time investment across a longer amount of time.

If people get the best gear on the first week they'll drop the game until either new content comes or new best gear comes out, hurting the longevity of the endgame

[urban phoenix]

you dont even know which part i find bad design and you start bashing me

jesus christ just have some patience till im done

[strange timber]

anyone know where the raid exchange NPC is at?

[fleet basalt]

The one at radz at han?

[urban phoenix]

labyrinthos or radz

[lean ore]

radz at han, its mentioned as soon as u unlock pandae

[jade relic]

required il - 565, my il 561

[tulip geyser]

./soothe

[urban phoenix]

alright so

yes you are right weekly lockouts are the bread and butter of mmos. and thats not the part i dislike and call bad design.

the part i call bad design is the part where less loot drops when someone who finished the encounter participates in the run

[jade relic]

discourages selling carries

[urban phoenix]

what if i want to replay the boss to practice? or if i want to help my friends? if i just have so much fun running it?

due the lessenning of loot nobody will allow people who finished the encounter to join the grp

which is bs

[frozen shoal]

Don't you still get guaranteed mounts drops?

[urban phoenix]

just limit it to one item weekly and thats it

[brisk quail]

Discourages selling carries, encourages group play or moving on to progging new bosses

[urban phoenix]

carries will happen nonetheless

[olive spruce]

what, no... it's the opposite

[brisk quail]

They want a linear progression of players in PF

[terse cargo]

you get to roll on one piece of gear per boss,there's at least 8 pieces of loot enough for each person reapingway,again thats not bad design,because u get to pick what u want

[urban phoenix]

again im not on the roll

I WANT TO REPLAY THE BOSS WITHOUT LESSENING THE LOOT FOR OTHERS

READ

THINK

WRITE

[olive spruce]

no need to scream, calm down champ

[late aurora]

As long as it’s not 5-8 people, that have cleared

Chests will appear

[frozen shoal]

He has to cuz everyone is actively not reading what he's typing lol

[terse cargo]

well wait until after the fucking tier is no longer current then u dumbass,this is the loot lockout WHEN THE TIER IS CURRENT,they lft all loot restrictions when the next tier comes out

[urban phoenix]

yes but less and thats already enough for most to not use the duty finder but use the party finder with the new "only if you didnt finish duty" option

[late aurora]

Also it’ll be slightly easier to do the Savage later because better gear

[olive spruce]

idk, I read everything, maybe we didn't understand or see his point, which is a different matter lol

[fleet basalt]

I think we may need to calm down for a moment

All of us

[frozen shoal]

I have a big problem, do I buy the chets piece for tank since thats what I will be in my static or go for the healer chest since that looks soo fucking good

[haughty crater]

Just took a peek at the new raid items in-game

[terse cargo]

NA never uses duty finder for savage anyways so that is a moot point,for duty finder your going into the raid regardless,and again its the restrictions for current tier,if you want no restrictions on loot,wait 3 months then run the first tier

[urban phoenix]

uhm

[haughty crater]

Turns out the ring upgrade (570->580) is actually the most efficient per token since it only costs 1

[urban phoenix]

im talking about the current acessible raid

[haughty crater]

The issue being that you lock yourself out of an armor upgrade

[olive spruce]

tbf, I agree that it's kinda lame the amount of loot being tied to completion... but also tbf, all it's gonna do is take you a little more time to find a party

[frozen shoal]

You will then have to go boots or hands plus ring and save the 1 token for next week

[brisk quail]

No you don't. You lock yourself out of a chest or pant upgrade

[olive spruce]

it's not a significant amount of time added btw

[haughty crater]

yup

[terse cargo]

each normal boss has the same amount of loot tokens,if u lose out o n a armor upgrade,roll for it on the next boss or wait next week,its not that bad

[frozen shoal]

I think its more about who you are playing with. I want to clear the raids early with randos but also wanna have fun with my fc but I can't do that cuz that lowers the loot.

[urban phoenix]

again. i have no qualms about getting only one token. thats totally fine. one token per boss. totally cool

What i hate is that if i rerun the boss. the others get punished with one chest less.

[brisk quail]

It encourages both kinds of play but not both at the same time

[haughty crater]

the hat/gloves/feet are actually the most desirable since they give the most raw stats

[urban phoenix]

why? what for? im locked out for that boss anyway

[brisk quail]

It wants you to make a decision

Not flip flop

[haughty crater]

But if you're considering overmelds, then more stats in fewer gear pieces is slightly better

[frozen shoal]

And that's what I don't like. The reason for restriction isn't good

[urban phoenix]

just let me rerun if i want to without punishing me and the others

[frozen shoal]

^

[olive spruce]

okay if 1 person alone is enough to diminish loot then yea... I agree... but I believe that's not the case

[urban phoenix]

it is

if one finished the run

1 chest less

[brisk quail]

Then start a practice party for people who cleared?

[haughty crater]

Thats only for savage right? not for the current raid?

[brisk quail]

Have fun running the boss as much as you want

🤷‍♂️

Yaaay

[olive spruce]

yes

[terse cargo]

1-2 chest is only savage,normal always drops t he same loot your personally locked to it,and an easy answer to that problem,dont run 2 chest runs,because if i remember correctly,it goes 1 chest if 4 people have cleared,2 chest if all 8 of u are fresh for the week

[frozen shoal]

Then you don't get to run it with your friends, j still haven't gotten a good reason why there is a dumb restriction like this

[brisk quail]

Selling clears bad.

[urban phoenix]

oh okay that wasnt explained in @brisk quail post at the start

[frozen shoal]

Thats gonna happen regardless, this systems isn't stopping it lmao

[brisk quail]

Induviduals player skill good

[stiff pond]

Are the 580 access from normal raid better then the ones we got from 83 ex

[brisk quail]

That seems pretty straightforward

[urban phoenix]

i know what you posted

[terse cargo]

yeah,in party finder u will see 1-2 chest advertisements being done when savage releases,thats the reason why,if its 2 chest its tuesday reset or just a leader wanting a fresh party

[brisk quail]

Get 1 token. You get locked out

🤷‍♂️

[urban phoenix]

the next part ynn

the next part was what pissed me off

"Upon a clear, chests will appear based on the number of players who have NOT cleared the selected fight this week.
0 clears: 2 chests
1-4 no clears: 1 chest
5 or more: no chests"

[haughty crater]

@stiff pond theey are equal

im looking at them in game rn

[stiff pond]

Oh

Only need to get armour then

Perfect

[brisk quail]

And we gave you explainations on why SQEX made that choice

What more do you want?

[urban phoenix]

probably different stat budget

[weary monolith]

You dont even know what the stats are for the armor and you want them already

[late aurora]

You don’t have to do Savage dude

[urban phoenix]

doesnt mean i have to find it good

[stiff pond]

They're 10 ilvl higher

[urban phoenix]

carry sells will happen nontheless

[brisk quail]

I mean. You can just march on down to yoshi p if you're that mad.

🤷‍♂️

Have fun doing that I guess

[weary monolith]

EX trial accessories are 10 ilvls higher doesnt mean theyre good in a vacuum environment or for hitting stat tiers

[frozen shoal]

A better reasoning instead of arricifically inflating the grind and restrictions that many MMOs do which many of us find shit

[dire trench]

rip our grapes 😐

[urban phoenix]

it isnt even inflating the grind

[brisk quail]

Solution: stop playing MMOs

Alternative solution: get over it

[urban phoenix]

its just a dumb decision

[olive spruce]

tbf, that's not why you guys are arguing

[stiff pond]

Considering ilvl is important

🤭

[haughty crater]

@stiff pond yep... hard to say which token is optimal but clearly the hat/gloves/boots are giving me more mainstat per token than any others

[brisk quail]

If the issue is lockout

[frozen shoal]

Okay I am done talking to this fanboy

[brisk quail]

Stop playing MMOs

[urban phoenix]

NO its not the lockout

read

[brisk quail]

If the issue is i cant play with friend play with your friends

[haughty crater]

But if you're making crafted gear then you will want fewer pieces

[urban phoenix]

please READ what we are saying

[brisk quail]

@frozen shoal isn't consistent in his complaints

[frozen shoal]

He doesn't wanna read, just wants to white knight a million dollar company

[urban phoenix]

yeah he just doesnt read

[brisk quail]

He just complained that it's artificially inflating the grind

[haughty crater]

What are we mad about?

[stiff pond]

I was thinking ab getting hat and gloves today

[weary monolith]

ilvl isnt always important if the stat they give u A. Doesnt scale for your job like dnc skill speed B. You arnt hitting stat tiers and literally just waiting a slot lol like warrior double crit dip

[stiff pond]

Tbf

[brisk quail]

Which doesn't apply to playing with 1 chest clears

[urban phoenix]

and i corrected him on that because thats not the core issue i have

[haughty crater]

I say the lockout system is weird and unintuitive but its fine and not a big deal

[terse cargo]

ilevel mostly is for the weapons anyway,if your looking for BIS stat tiers,thats at least armor,and a mix of tome+raid,gets a bit more dice rolly from there lol

[stiff pond]

U never want skill speed on dnc

[weary monolith]

Thats.... what i just said

[haughty crater]

top tier strategy is to wait but I mean... you're already choosing to get a token or not

[brisk quail]

1 chest clears =/= inflating the grind

Weekly lockout = inflating the grind

[weary monolith]

Just get a damn static or suck it up and do PF

[olive spruce]

both of you have different arguments, you are arguing about the loot being diminished when joining a random party because you have cleared and how that impacts other people...
Tehsigzorz was making the same argument, until they said that the decision is bad because it lengthens the grind, which is not the same argument

[frozen shoal]

1 chest clears = 1/2 the loot = ...I think you can put 2 and 2 together

[haughty crater]

where are the grapes at?

[frozen shoal]

I do, but I also wanna play the game outside of the sessions we have without penalizing them

[weary monolith]

Sometimes i feel like SE is literally watching reddit or twitter for memes like those

[stiff pond]

Wheres the vendor for the stuff

[brisk quail]

Well some people drive cars without seatbelts. But I guess it's the car's fault for throwing them out the window

XD

[urban phoenix]

you dont get it

[frozen shoal]

What?

[urban phoenix]

again

[weary monolith]

LMAO

[frozen shoal]

This is getting dumb

[haughty crater]

@stiff pondlabyrinthos 8, 27

[strange quest]

I feel like a schizophrenic patient reading this chat

[urban phoenix]

tehsi wait a second

lemme try to write it idiot proof

[haughty crater]

they definitely are. 5,000 upspoots gets a fix

but really where are the grapes

[weary monolith]

Well sometimes we cant have our cake and eat it too sadly, when i was looking at the timeline we have 2 weeks to get either a chest/leg or any other piece, and those would become irrelevant quickly

[haughty crater]

i wanna see them in game

[gaunt star]

Bro said it's ice blue get your eyes checked my g

Mandem got the bootleg monitor from china

[weary monolith]

Our pre bis consists of normal+crafted penta anyways so guess its not as bad if you have 2 weeks to preplan and get the best gear with the stats you need most likely a piece with crit and a desirable stat like det cus of the det buff

[cinder spindle]

||i wonder will SE confirm that DRK uses Dynamis?||

[frozen shoal]

Not talking about normal raids, I don't really like lockout but I understand it and accept it. The savage drops are what bothers me and they should have done the same thing as normal and just limit the loot I personally get.

[weary monolith]

||Meteon ||be like: Dynamis?

[urban phoenix]

wait lemme clear up something

the chest reduce when someone cleared ONLY happens in savage?

[cinder spindle]

my TBN is made up of Dynamis

[haughty crater]

the grapes are labyrinthos 30, 19

[urban phoenix]

or does it happen in normal too?

[brisk quail]

Have you even done raids before?

Like serious question

[urban phoenix]

yes i have? so? i never paid attention so far surprise

[late aurora]

Current raids

During lockout

[urban phoenix]

nah

[weary monolith]

So if i understand this correctly you want the savage loot system to be similar to normal where you only get locked out if you actually won something?

[brisk quail]

So you're just spouting I hate it when you've NEVER done them like this

[urban phoenix]

i was a off and on player till late shb when the whole blizzard shitfest started

[brisk quail]

[terse cargo]

savage only,normal drops the same loot regardless if you've cleared or not,when they release the alliance raid in 6.1,it falls under normal loot restrictions,you'll beable to do it as much as u want,you'll be locked to 1 piece per boss per week

[haughty crater]

new grapes for the memes

[cinder spindle]

oh it went from triangular to round, still a meme worthy

[weary monolith]

still 2D worthy

[brisk quail]

🍇

[urban phoenix]

ps4 limitations right there

[frozen shoal]

Sortoff? For savage I think you only get 1 chance to roll and then you get a book and its over. So once you do it again you can't roll anymore but everyone else who hasn't cleared can roll. I don't expect to do savage until I get the coffers or gear

[haughty crater]

its pretty clearly still jaggy with a texture thrown on it but it looks slightly better

[olive spruce]

I believe the system is there exactly to make it more appealing to have new people in your group, thus providing two things:

• 0 clear parties are more likely to have lots of people new to the fight, adding difficulty and requiring patience
• 1-4 clear parties are more likely to have a few people who have never cleared, thus requiring experienced people patience to teach

in a sense it feels like it's the game trying to make players collaborate and improve their team effort

[haughty crater]

also lol

Why are people looking so closely at grapes xD

[brisk quail]

It also encourages grouping up and having a schedule

[frozen shoal]

They zoomed in during msq

[brisk quail]

If your friends all play and prog savage at Friday

THEN you don't get loot reduced

[weary monolith]

Well... I look at savage raids as bonus content since theyre designed to be cleared with crafted gear and the extra gear you get from them anyways are just added help for optimization and parsing

[haughty crater]

Pretty sure the whole goal is to avoid LOOT FUNNELING to one character

[urban phoenix]

barely anybody does that. and does not have a sane mind. seriously...

[brisk quail]

But if you go off on your own you make a commitment to play on your own

[jade relic]

rest of the game is too good, gotta complain about something

[brisk quail]

For the week

Thats a concept huh?

Tradeoffs?

Commitments?

[olive spruce]

wdym?

[brisk quail]

Socialization?

Whaaaaaat?

In my MMO?

[olive spruce]

you mean in a static? or for wf race?

idk

maybe

[terse cargo]

keep in mind its per boss,so you could leave with 4 pieces of loot and 4 different books on savage,and savage books are anywhere from 4-8 for a piece of loot. so if rng hasnt been in your favor after 4 weeks,you'll beable to trade in a set of books

[jade relic]

didnt you just say you havent done any raid lockuts? how would you know if people do that or not?

[haughty crater]

I would think for a WF race, you loot funnel 1 character per raid, or 1 per role or something

[weary monolith]

its to keep content relevant until they drop the next content and it meets the timeline they planned

[frozen shoal]

This is a better answer than 'to avoid selling clears' but I still don't fully agree with it. Ppl are gonna have schedules no matter what cuz ppl enjoy playing with friends and its more efficient to do it with ppl you know for sure. I am doing that and most raiders are gonna be doing that. What I have a problem with is that if my session is on Friday and Saturday then I cant do savage raids from Tuesday to late Friday and that's the part I dislike.

[late aurora]

This is my first time experiencing lockout so I can’t say shit

[brisk quail]

Run 8 seprate groups funneling to one character

[olive spruce]

yeah, that makes sense.. but I don't think it's just 1 answer

[haughty crater]

But I dont think FFXIV WF race is really a big thing

[urban phoenix]

who in his right mind would run savage week after week with randos wasting HOURS to explain it again, reprogg a boss that could be beaten on the second or third try with a static?

[haughty crater]

Its much more esports with wow lol

[olive spruce]

I do lmao

[brisk quail]

raises hand

[olive spruce]

a lot of ppl do

[late aurora]

But you kinda seem to be taking this way to seriously

[urban phoenix]

[weary monolith]

Gear means nothing if your parses are green

[haughty crater]

yeah exactly, but the way its setup I dont think that really works too well I hope

[olive spruce]

I'm not kidding xD

[terse cargo]

statics to my understanding keep track of who needs what on that savage boss to make it easier for loot funneling,or so from what i usually watch that tends to be the case

[haughty crater]

Yep if you're a hardcore static you have more than 8 raiders so you can swap people in per fight

[weary monolith]

i played phys range last tier and I got bis last

[brisk quail]

It was more a meme. But yeah

[urban phoenix]

i dont know if i should give you a hug and soothe you or call "911" for an ambulance

because its not normal

why are you torturing yourself?

[gaunt star]

Imagine crying ab loot lockout in an MMO

[brisk quail]

Around 30% of Savage clears were in Non-static groups in SHB

[frozen shoal]

I enjoy raiding so I would as well...which is precisely the reason I don't like this but it is what it is. SE has shown that they are very consistent in their deliverance for better or worse

[terse cargo]

they dont really swap people either,most people just raid on their main characters for the first couple weeks till they get enough gear to justify brining in alts

[late aurora]

Imagine having fun amirite

[frozen shoal]

Imagine crying about other ppl crying amirite

[weary monolith]

actually incorrect information

[cinder spindle]

tbh u don't really need a static for savage, i dunno how it works in your server but in elemental u just join pf based on which part are they at.

[weary monolith]

SHC statics have alts and do alt splits to gear faster

[gaunt star]

Mans crying cuz he can't no life the game 😭 😭 😭 😭

[olive spruce]

I understand your problem, for sure... And I agree it kinda sucks, ngl... But I'm not sure the loot system should be like normal raid either, it's the type of problem that it's okay to say "I don't know what's best" and tbh dedicated game designers probably think about this for a long time... maybe if I think about it for the same amount of time I can come up with a solution

[gaunt star]

man i'm 1 ilv away from getting to go into pandae, salty rn

[haughty crater]

Ya I think with only 8 raid slots you dont really need anything crazy. with 24 though... or are alliance raids a meme even on current tier?

[cinder spindle]

tbh FFXIV Is a casual game at its core with hardcore content

[brisk quail]

Yes

Alliance raid is alliance raid

[cinder spindle]

wait wym by crazy

[haughty crater]

like u probably dont need a minmaxed comp per fight

[terse cargo]

alliance raids are the catch up patches,the gear is basically on part with normal,so in 6.1 you'll be seeing normal pandamonium ilevel drops with the usual restrictions,1 loot per boss 1 coin for the week,after your first run thru

[weary monolith]

2 GNBS 2 SAGES 4 SAMURAIS

[haughty crater]

dont need to bench all the melee cause its a bad fight for melee

[brisk quail]

8 warrior. lesss GOOOOOOOOOOO

[gaunt star]

6 monks, full brotherhood uptime

[frozen shoal]

Normal raids guarantee you get 4 drops per week but my solution doesn't, the end result is the same as SE wants without the penalty so I don't really see the issue but tbh this convo is kinda pointless cuz nthn will change. Thank you for providing an understanding reason for why they do it as such tho. Gonna continue with the raid now

[weary monolith]

I have one solution

The solution is: ||This is Thancred ||

Thank you for coming to my TED talk

[cyan girder]

Can u get legs/body from all 4 bosses?

[haughty crater]

Im trying to do the maths on whats optimal but I see 2 optimal routes
Route 1 is tryhard - take chest and legs tokens, buy crafted gear in 2 weeks, hell, buy crafted gear for your chest+legs too if you're that cool 😎
Route 2 is immediate power - take any combination of hat/gloves/feet this week, they give more mainstat

[olive spruce]

in my case, I am a Brazilian who work on Japan time schedule, it's near impossible to find a static to play with that also have people I feel comfortable talking to (other Brazilians/portuguese speakers) so I end up doing all savages in PF

[haughty crater]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zbpG7GTwoogJpN1vJWu29KYcB0I9KA9Lk7OCd6VWTcU/htmlview# idk if this is accurate

[terse cargo]

on normal yes,savage is usually more spread out as far as tokens go

[urban phoenix]

ooooof okay fair....have a hug then

[lean ore]

damn maiming and fending gear not looking the same

[weary monolith]

there is upsides and downsides of pfing, you clear at your own phase and not worry about getting left behind, downside is you either get lucky and get bis faster than normal or get super unlucky and get bis at a slower phase. Tho thats where I praise SEs design with loot, You get there eventually unlike WoWs gearing system where its designed to fuck you over

[brisk quail]

Imagine savage raid without book/pages

shudder

[weary monolith]

I'd quit

[gaunt star]

i like the fending body piece a lot

[haughty crater]

my new gear looks awful

guess I need to glam

cant even see the new hat on my character

[weary monolith]

The problem with being hot

[late aurora]

You probably disabled head gear

Or are a bun/lion

[brisk quail]

Sucks being hot

[weary monolith]

I dont need hads when I know im hot

[haughty crater]

like rn my character is dressed in a womans outfit

and ill suffer that for a few stat points

[weary monolith]

u turn around and people think youre a woman

[olive spruce]

mmhmm for sure... I also love teaching and I love coming up with new tech with each new group... unfortunately since SB it's been harder since video guides are common to appear 1-2 days after release

[urban phoenix]

im fine with that actually uwu

[haughty crater]

but THIS aint it chief

[weary monolith]

server up?

[urban phoenix]

in xiv i can be whatever i want

[cyan girder]

with crafting armour coming out in 2 weeks. debating if better just to get the straight raw power now (hands/head/feet) then following week get ring, missing X above and then buy crafted body/legs

[urban phoenix]

a cute lizzer

a furry miqo

[haughty crater]

its up go go go

[terse cargo]

servers have been up for a few hours now

[weary monolith]

get whatever has crit and det

[strange quest]

Bro

[haughty crater]

halfmeasuring if you dont go all in on either strat

[strange quest]

Ugo braver than any marine

Ugo does on content savage with pugs

[terse cargo]

gotta say,the music and models for the bosses for this first tier so far havent dissapointed,i almost expected not really original bosses but its cool they havent been

[weary monolith]

I got caught up in my house

[olive spruce]

pretty Pandaemonium

[lean ore]

|| damn Lahabrea had a son ||

[urban phoenix]

damn im crying already

[gaunt star]

[strange quest]

???

[terse cargo]

some people take ERP to the extreme,holy hell

[cyan girder]

as mch, the head is worse as puts skillspeed over crit upgrade. so going legs/body or feet/hands. might go get the legs/body first then savage launch grab the feet/hands

[lean ore]

damn they got to u xd

[jade relic]

that looks so damn cool

[urban phoenix]

i need a new keyboard

[haughty crater]

ITS HAPPENING

[urban phoenix]

i think i will break the screenshot button on this one

[lean ore]

4th raid now aaaaaa

[indigo shale]

panda spoilers, ||his name is themis ofc it is, with current "elidibus" being all for fairness, order, balance and such||

[frozen shoal]

Wow there's barely any questing between raids, I wonder if most of it will be between the 3rd and 4th or after the 4th

[warm glen]

are worlds live now?

[vital timber]

That's one helluva spike in players

Not sure what happened with the drop in players on the 14th.

[terse cargo]

the eden raids u never had to do much quests per raid lockout,i dont see this being any different,its going to be 1 after the other,you might have a couple quests after the 4th for the part 1 finale and savage unlock,but that might be it

[urban phoenix]

work perhaps?

[frozen shoal]

Yeah? Guess I just don't remember it that much

[left quartz]

Anyone who can figure out the numbers?

[urban phoenix]

more

than before

[vital timber]

That much? really? 🙂

[terse cargo]

the 14th might have had a dip cause people got tired of sitting in queue's,cause nothing special happened last week

[urban phoenix]

amazing right?

[terse cargo]

they might have made exp equal to what a trust gets,cause leveling trusts so far,my characters arent keeping up with them in level,by the time they hit their level tiers of 3 runs,my job isnt even even with them

[left quartz]

I'm looking for a percentage.

[urban phoenix]

usually it was 3-4 runs per level

less if you got a prae that day and a good leveling dungeon

[south flare]

wait uh where can i find 565 gear

[haughty crater]

aphorism

[terse cargo]

if the starter 90 dungeons drop 560,then your gonna want to do a run of either ex,a weapon or accessory will put u over the threshold

[haughty crater]

Dungeon gear for 560, otherwise spam aphorism to 565. ex if you have guts!!

[south flare]

ah gotcha

[terse cargo]

ohh yeah,that too

[haughty crater]

isnt EX 570 req?

oh its only 560!

Easy!

[terse cargo]

560,people were doing both ex's early access weekend

[jolly sierra]

aphorism is 570

[haughty crater]

the EXs are hard tho

@_@

||waffle iron||

[urban phoenix]

uwu cute lizzer

[slender siren]

||he’s back||

[terse cargo]

watching mr happy,and there's alot of lore around lahabrea being talked about this first tier,so when they showed his mask on the promotional pictures,they werent lieing

[tiny wind]

pandaemonium dialogue

phoinix kek

[frozen shoal]

||Are we thinking 2nd boss or 3rd boss for the mount||

[terse cargo]

by watching mr happy's stream so far,im gonna guess ||3rd|| but we will find out in 2 weeks

[frozen shoal]

I still don't know which I like better, both look great

[eternal condor]

these fights seem like they'll be a lot of fun on savage

only done the first two but damn

high hopes

[frozen shoal]

1st one I don't know how much harder they can make it without adding totally new mechs but 2nd one has a great base design and should be a lot of fun seeing the harder version of these mechs

[eternal condor]

yeah 1st is probs gonna have a bunch of new mechanics, but I like the theme it has set up. 2nd seems like it'll be crazy though

[terse cargo]

3rd and 4th boss i can see as the difficulty spike in savage personally,but i havent watched the 4th in full yet

[eternal condor]

eh thats pretty standard

[frozen shoal]

The 3rd is weird, its def gonna be difficult but I think the color palettes are gonna make it harder than it should

[eternal condor]

if the past shows anything

[terse cargo]

yeah this 4th boss will definitely be the challenge in savage,watching happy die at around 75%ish percent to mechanics,which is about normal for day 1 raids lol

[lean ore]

fk the 4th boss

pos D:

https://tenor.com/view/ffxiv-alisae-gif-18112934

[late aurora]

Who’s ready for phase 2 in 2 weeks

I’m not

[vale gazelle]

P4n feel like an extreme fight

[urban phoenix]

someone in my grp just called reaper clunky

[viral sandal]

P4N would feel better if it didn't have so many stances for normal players

[urban phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/bunnies-what-confused-meh-gif-13712192

[gaunt star]

i still need to get my ilv up to actually do the fights, frustrating lmao

so i'm stuck running dailies bc ive been neglecting my things in favor of leveling alt classes

[viral sandal]

4 days of dailies will get ya the 2.2k tomes you need

[urban phoenix]

or 34 dung runs

[gaunt star]

i'm only 1 ilv off

and today is challenge reset

[viral sandal]

also did anyone find out how much more xp the EW dungeons give now? I would assume bozja leveling is ded now

[gaunt star]

i already forfeitted my feeling lucky bonus </3

[haughty crater]

isnt it streamlined and easy?

[viral sandal]

it is

[eternal condor]

oh dear just got done with the 3rd fight

o-o

[summer breach]

where can we discuss the new raid

[fluid basalt]

lore-spoilers

[late aurora]

Yo P4 ost a bop

[frozen shoal]

The final song is a banger yeah

I feel like P3 would be a struggle to prog for many hours but P4 should be really fun

[urban phoenix]

its not "easy"

[lean ore]

P4 needs to perish

[frozen shoal]

Wired twice in P4 but then 3rd try it was smooth

Wiped once to the other 3 raids

Probably would've wiped more on P3 if we didn't have someone who already cleared it

[lean ore]

we wiped 3 times but i still have no idea what the platforms are for /sweat

[tulip geyser]

Alright so Im an idiot and cannot into that second boss. Aside from a few wipes everything went fairly ok

Very cheerful groups helped lol

[frozen shoal]

||Lightning = proximity aoe, earth = stack, poison I think was spread and then the shinryu water is knockback.|| mechs for P4 platforms

[polar mortar]

Can't say I was expecting ||vampires ||

[lean ore]

i love how the antagonists are simply called "demigods" xd

[frozen shoal]

P2S seems like a lot of fun, a ton of movement in circles

[polar mortar]

Had a lot of fun with the third one.

[urban phoenix]

my turn1 grp was just cool

we lined up first to make a grp shoot xD

[lean ore]

my P3 group was probably savage runners since they werent talking much 🤔

other groups were poggers

[polar mortar]

Yeah first day groups are usually great in my experience

[urban phoenix]

[frozen shoal]

There weren't as many ultimate raiders in my groups as I thought it would be or compared to day 1 launch

[lean ore]

i had plenty "Legends"

but they were ok xd

[tulip geyser]

My GNB tank in P4|| broke out instantly with WHAT IS A MAN?!||, they were fun guys lol

[vital brook]

its not any ||vampire||, its a ||hot vampire||

[urban phoenix]

im not a legend

yet everbody said i was the first reaper who really rocked it oô

damn there must be so many bad reapers out there

[frozen shoal]

I only see weapons, I have titles disabled in duties

[polar mortar]

[frozen shoal]

There are

[lean ore]

reaper is extremely popular soo

[frozen shoal]

I feel like there are more good sages than good reapers when it comes to percentages but thats just anecdotal evidence

[vital brook]

SGE doesnt remains so popular in this kind of content, but it remains popular in dungeons...

[urban phoenix]

yeah have the same experience

[tulip geyser]

All the Sages Ive run into aside from that first week have been pretty cool

[lean ore]

yeah xd

[vital brook]

Speak for yerself, i've had SGEs spamming Diagnosis

[urban phoenix]

actually i do wish i had more sages in ex fights

[polar mortar]

Def the new floor tanks from what I've seen

[lean ore]

surprisingly i was the only reaper in P1/P2

[urban phoenix]

as a sage myself im always be like "if i would been a sage here i would done x and nobody would die"

[tulip geyser]

Weirdly I had...no reapers at all

[urban phoenix]

good

[frozen shoal]

Every ex trials I have been in has had a sage which is why I now have a 575 whm lol

[gaunt star]

||is there only 4 stages in the pandemonium raid?||

[vital brook]

Im a SGE too ...still fucking blue parses tho, but one day they will go higher, OH HIGHER

[urban phoenix]

let the flood recede and only the skillful ones remain!

[tulip geyser]

Maybe they havent woken up yet in my neck of the woods lol

[frozen shoal]

4 out of 12 released right now yeah

[vital brook]

I think that if i used the weapon for parsing, and food...and pots, i'd get my parse higher, but fuck...im still not that good

[lean ore]

next ones release in 6.2 probably

[vital brook]

yep, 6.2

[gaunt star]

well i'm checking out then, pandemonium 1/4 cleared 3 hours after release ^^

[lean ore]

im so smart

[gaunt star]

that was fun 😄

[vital brook]

You mean 1/3

[half phoenix]

For anyone with a male character: Did ||Themis|| refer to their friend as “he” for you?

[vital brook]

its 12 floors in total

[vital brook]

he does so, yes

[half phoenix]

Ah, okay, then said friend is Azem

[vital brook]

Yes, it is implied in his dialogues

[lean ore]

Themis is || probably Elidibus ||

[half phoenix]

Just double checking

[tulip geyser]

Themis|| being the Titan of law, judgements and whatever, it does fit....||

[half phoenix]

||100%, same hair and face from the post credits||

[lean ore]

yep pretty much

[gaunt star]

pandemonium was cool ^^

[weary rampart]

darn thats a lot of exp

[lean ore]

who themis was in the mythology fits him very well, shame there was no voiced cutscene tho xd

[half phoenix]

Didn’t care for fights 1 and 3....

[lean ore]

besides post credits anyway

Phoinix was a pain in the ass 😔

[half phoenix]

The tells were tough to read

[frozen shoal]

Yeah fight 3 was tough to tell

[half phoenix]

Orange aoe markers, on an orange floor.... and an orange light filter for the camera....

[tulip geyser]

I was bad at two|| cause Im still not sure what the body is doing, is it just a horizontal cleave through it? It confuses me and it doesnt help when more stuff is going on at once||

[lean ore]

they are doing the same crap as mt.gulg lol

i hated it xd

its actually even worse in a raid

[half phoenix]

Hopefully fixed in 6.05

[urban phoenix]

i had tanks dyring in ex2 ||phase 2 when you shatter the crystals because the whm was too focused on dealing dmg to the crystals...and i as a sage was like "bitch please".....||

[half phoenix]

The orbs and meteors in P4 were cool touches though

[lean ore]

in savage we just place markets that are outside the indicators kekw

markers*

[tulip geyser]

Gonna feed my face and poke at the raid some more, some stuff I want to clear up in my brain

[lean ore]

ill probably do some runs on each for new player bonus 👀

first timer bonus*

[half phoenix]

Also in P1, during the... grid? phase, was the chain swinging hard to see for anyone else?

[tulip geyser]

Nomnom bonii

YES

It is

[lean ore]

yup

[half phoenix]

So not just me, okay

Also, the “prey” line aoe... how are we suppose to handle that?

Stay away? Does it stop tracking at all? Just be rescued out of it?

[vital brook]

https://twitter.com/eldthurs/status/1473152306216529924?t=qM2JbdiRn6kvcA7eIHN0zQ&s=19

thursday (@eldthurs)

https://t.co/Ekw2epNdc9

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[vital brook]

Just eat it

[half phoenix]

.... it was an instant death....

[vital brook]

What?

I could swear it was laughable damage

[tulip geyser]

Scooch close and let people run away from you. I think it only pushes you so far

[vital brook]

I just ate it and it knockdd me back

Are you sure you didnt touch a wall?

WALL OF DEATH

[tulip geyser]

Yeah wall is nukewall

[half phoenix]

Pretty sure I didn’t touch the wall in P1, me and 3 other people that got it

[tulip geyser]

Hm.

[vital brook]

I got it myself and it was laughable damage

[frozen shoal]

How many unsung blades can you get btw?

[vital brook]

Every other person that got it also just got tickled

[vital brook]

1 per week

[half phoenix]

7, like normal misread, thought you asked how many we needed

[frozen shoal]

Gotcha thanks

[tulip sparrow]

how many new raids are in this patch?

[lean ore]

4

[half phoenix]

I’ll check happy or mizz’s videos on it latter this week

4 fights every even patch

[lean ore]

the next 4 will be on 6.2 so it will be a while

[half phoenix]

Then 24 mans with 4 bosses in every odd patch

[vital brook]

what, for what?

[tulip sparrow]

gotcha cool, is savage included here too or is that later as well?

[vital brook]

2 weeks later

[lean ore]

january 4th

[half phoenix]

P1 to see what the hell I missed

[vital brook]

its a very intuitive fight tho

[lean ore]

im gonna watch P4S runs since that shit is toxic

[half phoenix]

3 of us instant died, only 1 lived because a healer used rescue

[tulip geyser]

I can already see P2S as being annoying

[half phoenix]

Was the water damaging at all in P2???

[fierce wing]

aside from the raid stuff, did they add anything new?

[half phoenix]

Uh... no? All tied to the raids

[tulip geyser]

Well the outside is death water, naturally. I think the water that comes and goes gives a pretty decent dot

[fierce wing]

Alright, thanks. Just making sure

[vital brook]

yeah

I saw some dude just die after getting pushed over to water

[half phoenix]

1 new TT card from P1, new music from drops, minion from P4

Uh... anything else of note besides bug fixes and renaming “Beet Soup” for whatever reason?

[fierce wing]

Music only comes from P3 and P4 tho

[half phoenix]

Oh, yay

[fierce wing]

coz P1-P3 uses same music

[half phoenix]

Less stuff I’ll have to farm

[fierce wing]

I low roleld the minion 3 times lol

free aphorisms tho since everyone that enters is new.

[half phoenix]

Only ran P4 once before logging off. Lost with an 87...

[olive spruce]

||sense slapping noises||

[half phoenix]

Also seriously question for the lore writers... tell us who the hell created ||Phoinix and gave it 3 heads!!!||

[stiff charm]

||||

[olive spruce]

does chest and pants share the same stats?

or is chest better?

[rain onyx]

Same amount of stats.

[tulip geyser]

The ||bat minion is quite cute||

[olive spruce]

I see ty

[eternal condor]

P4 is gonna be a fever dream on savage holy hell

[cinder spindle]

||They should have the boss in p4 say, WHAT IS A MAN NOTHING BUT A MISERABLE PILE OF SECRETS, HAVE AT YOU||

[vital brook]

P4 was kinda easy once you know what each thing does

[cinder spindle]

yup

though i can imagine light's rampant tier mech on p4 savage

[fierce wing]

Yup but imagine, specific safe spots and everytime 3 of the lands popped

[half phoenix]

I doubt he made it, ||didn’t he summon a proper phoenix in the short story?||

[eternal condor]

true, but im thinking of what they're gonna do to make us suffer later

[tulip geyser]

I was uh, pretty surprised to|| see some Thrice Come Ruin in a normal||

[frozen shoal]

Lost a 97 roll to a 99 rip, this is going to take a while eh?

[olive spruce]

in terms of stats is it better to get 2 large pieces or to get 3 small pieces?

[cinder spindle]

i mean DRN has that mech

so its not that surprising

[vital brook]

It depends on substats tbh

i got helmet, but turns out helmet for healer was utter trash, Piety and SpS

[urban phoenix]

man day one teams are wholesome

[tulip geyser]

Oh yeah it is there
That should tell you how much I did it

[urban phoenix]

turn 2

"alright everbody roll up for grp shoot"

😄

[vital brook]

I wasted this shit in helmet i cant believe it

[tulip geyser]

Yeah had some legends in there and they were super nice and being dead with my pleb ass

Was nice

[polar mortar]

That last one

[fierce wing]

when savage comes out, its just dyeable version of the current gear right?

[urban phoenix]

yeah

with more stats

[vital brook]

yeah, same glam but dyeable

[urban phoenix]

have to say

[vital brook]

with 10 more iLVL

[urban phoenix]

i dont find the new stuff appealing

[vital brook]

Im sticking to my SGE AF gear fuck that shit lmao

[fierce wing]

Yeah same, only healers looks good

for the top

[vital brook]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/662438249788211210/921954593313792030/unknown.png

Sticking to this

[fierce wing]

most of the stuff look like neoishgardian refined

[urban phoenix]

cute lizzer uwu

[vital brook]

Thanks bro

[fierce wing]

but xaela tho

[vital brook]

Xaela is elegant

black scales

[urban phoenix]

im not fond of the forehead scales so

i removed em

[vital brook]

Nooo dont peel your Au Ra

mine is fine with those

[urban phoenix]

yeah your forehead scale is small

[vital brook]

I just pretend its a jewel

[cinder spindle]

||the new raid gear is swaggy as fuck||

[urban phoenix]

but i have a giant pimple on my forehead

and everytime she scrunches her face it barely moves

[cinder spindle]

especially fending

[urban phoenix]

the face i mean

it robs you of emotional show

so thats why i removed em Xd

[vital brook]

Anyways here is the mofo that turned off my screen while fishing

[urban phoenix]

wish i had cats man

my flat is too small

[vital brook]

So is mine

[cinder spindle]

The maiming also looks so damn good

[vital brook]

NYC, very small

But cat is here and cat is loved

[cinder spindle]

now I know my glam for PLD/DRK

black version of raid gear fending for DRK then PLD is white version

[urban phoenix]

but is the cat healthy and all?

i worry that the cat would not have enough space

how much qm² do you have?

[vital brook]

Oh she is healthy

[vital brook]

Also idk

Look at her boi

[urban phoenix]

oh noes the cables

[vital brook]

Also got her a cat tree so im sure she is happy

[tulip geyser]

Not the cables! But soo cute

[vital brook]

Cats can live their whole life indoors... of course there is a window for her to look out

And sometimes i put her in a backpack and take her out

Not right now tho...its fucking cold

Its a special backpack with a window for her to peek out

And now back to xiv

And why is this shit so cursed anyways... GNB is cursed

Cant do 4 cartridges...

[urban phoenix]

im so happy i play reaper who is super flexible

[lean ore]

these rotation sheets give me cancer

https://tenor.com/view/soken-fan-fest-lahee-otamatone-hum-gif-21581907

[vital brook]

I mean...even without the sheet, i pretty much knew i had to do that

But i was praying i didnt had to do that

Cuz shit was cursdd

[lean ore]

xD

[vital brook]

I was hoping i was wrong...

[lean ore]

are u going to be tanking? 🤔

[vital brook]

Imma be SGE main of course

But i like having a siderole

[lean ore]

yeah fair

im trying to join pfs for ex2 but its one class per job and everyones a reaper or summoner zzzzzzzzzz

the first time i decide not to lvl rdm after my main

https://tenor.com/view/ffxiv-alisae-gif-18112934

[vital brook]

Just make your own

I made my own cuz there are SGEs everywhere

[lean ore]

https://tenor.com/view/kyoukai-no-kanata-nase-hiromi-ew-disgust-gif-11102640

[vital brook]

Or SCHs

And WHMs... but i havent seen ASTs

[lean ore]

i see SCHs and SGEs everywhere

[polar mortar]

So how do the gear tokens work again? I can only earn 1 per raid a week, or only redeem 1?

[lean ore]

idk whats an AST or WHM

[lean ore]

earn 1 from each raid

per week

[polar mortar]

Ah. Thanks

[lean ore]

minion can be farmed if u want it from P4

[vital brook]

Fuck that minion

[polar mortar]

Ring it is this week

[vital brook]

||Zubat looking bitch ass||

[vital brook]

You can get 4 parts in total

[polar mortar]

I rolled like 80 on the minion but missed out

[vital brook]

4 tokens, to exchange

[lean ore]

i got 2 accessories

[vital brook]

I got 1 ring to replace my 570

And a helmet... which suckdd for healer

So i gave it to gnb

[polar mortar]

Yeah I forgot how it worked and just rolled for everything. Oh well will need accessories at some point anyway

[lean ore]

i got ring since i had the expert one xd

and a bracelet cause oh well

[polar mortar]

Ring needed upgrading the most anyway considering it was my last bit of artefact gear

[lean ore]

also waiting 7 weeks for weapon zzzzzzz unless i do ex ofc

[next quarry]

I was gonna wait until later to compare stats

And see what I need

Major prio to get rid of SkS

[spiral wagon]

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[polar mortar]

Oh no they fixed the floating follower npcs

[keen osprey]

Is there anything recommended for me to spend my poetics on if i want to prepare for crafting in 6.05?

[marsh osprey]

Nope

Poetics do jackshit

In that regard

[marsh osprey]

Why do you not have the extreme ring tho

[keen osprey]

Oh... anything else recommended to spend it on? Or it's just more topsoil to sell again?

[lean ore]

cause i obviously havent runned ex

xD

[marsh osprey]

Pathetic

[lean ore]

after doing EX with Spearya back when ShB released, i got an EXPhobia :v

[polar mortar]

Yeah they're gonna make us feel even worse for ||Elidibus ||by the end of this raid

[lean ore]

its ok || we already killed Themis ||

https://tenor.com/view/smirk-anime-anime-girl-smirk-zenith-evil-smirk-funny-smile-gif-20308316

[haughty crater]

Uhhh

[lean ore]

|| its Elidibus btw ||

[haughty crater]

I have no words for that raid lol

The bosses are interesting just normal mode is kind of lol after doing ex trials

[polar mortar]

Yeah once you figure them out they're not too bad, but this is normal mode

[haughty crater]

I think i wiped once

[polar mortar]

The last two boss's mechanics are gonna kick asses on Savage

[haughty crater]

Yeah the final one on savage

I can imagine

[tulip geyser]

I can already imagine it

[haughty crater]

so EX/savage and beyond are intended for serious play then

I think I understand

[polar mortar]

Yep

These raids will be trivial once most people get used to the mechanics

[haughty crater]

6.01: ||Also I really dont like how they did the quest with this one... just a couple of forgettable NPCs yapping. Homie looked a tad like venat tho||

[tulip geyser]

I hope P4S ||gets to squeeze out more Dracula goodness||

[polar mortar]

I mean, ||the white robed one was Elidibus, and the other is Lahabreas son, both will give insight into important characters||

[haughty crater]

And I couldnt really hear the music this time unfortunately

[tulip geyser]

I think the most surprising revelation of the whole thing is that ||Laha fucks||

[polar mortar]

True

[haughty crater]

must have turned down my music at some point

[shrewd bobcat]

how grape looks like now?

[polar mortar]

I liked what I could hear from the last ones ||vocal track||, when I had time to focus on it

[south flare]

Anyone know where i can get a second 570 ring

Cuz i got the one from the tomes

But

[next quarry]

You can get a 580 from ex

That's it

[haughty crater]

is there one?

[south flare]

Ah

[next quarry]

And normal raids

[polar mortar]

580 from the raids now too

[haughty crater]

equip a healer ring 😎

or does that not count

[south flare]

Sheesh fair fair

[next quarry]

You can't equip things not of your role

[haughty crater]

scammed

[south flare]

Im just trying to get to 565

[haughty crater]

what about striking/maiming?

[next quarry]

Just do daily expert and get a few accessories

Those use slaying accessories

Scouting uses aiming accessories

[haughty crater]

I got my gears tho, any reason to hold onto the tokens?

[cinder spindle]

||i guess laha didn't get a bread winner got em.||

[haughty crater]

ALSO i won the 6.01: ||minion reward||

[polar mortar]

Which tokens? If you don't already have the gear they redeem you can use them after the reset to get the other gear once you build enough up.

[haughty crater]

2hat 2glove

max int

actually feet+ring is more int than chest or legs too

but it looks like everyone is rolling chest for transmog

6.01 ||minion||

[polar mortar]

Well the left side raid gear will be BiS now, so no reason not to get it

Not exactly sure how stats compare to EX gear yet

[haughty crater]

the accessories are equal

with tweaked secondary allocation

[next quarry]

Those secondary allocation might fix the issue with some of them

SkS dhit is crappy on drg

[haughty crater]

so "bis" would be 2nd ring + boots/shoes/hat + an accessory that you swap to a better secondary

[cinder spindle]

I like how caster outfits are feminine now

[haughty crater]

and ironically chest/legs last lol

[cinder spindle]

time to show those muscular backs baby

[gaunt star]

Ayo why the fuck are most of the male ascian true faces so feminine lol

So many ancient femboys

[polar mortar]

Femboys ruled the world

[cinder spindle]

i mean if u think about it ascian is like asian

sounds like asian

[gaunt star]

seems that way

[cinder spindle]

so it makes sense they would look liek femboys

[gaunt star]

twinks were the true gods all along

[cinder spindle]

yes

ascians are pretty kpop boys all along

[next quarry]

Most people who raid savage are swapping to crafted anyway

[cinder spindle]

most likely yes

pentameld

though its either they keep the raid gear or try to get their hands on penta melded gear

[haughty crater]

I wonder how much better penta is

[cinder spindle]

iirc pentameld is only good if u plan to world first

[next quarry]

No

[cinder spindle]

but it does have advantages

[next quarry]

It's better than any other 580 gear

[cinder spindle]

oh that

[next quarry]

So if you can get it why not

It's an investment though

[cinder spindle]

but do u think its gonna be so mandatory?

[next quarry]

Nah

[cinder spindle]

especially if like you're planning to do savage 2 months later

[next quarry]

Just having the base gear is fine to start with

2 months later we'll have alliance raids with 590 gear

[cinder spindle]

yup