retired-patch-6-3-discussion

[urban phoenix]

and not like i said "hi im warrior with mana managment but shittier"

[lean ore]

ehe

[urban phoenix]

i also rarely see a drk in ew actually

mostly war and gnb

[thorny flax]

I hate gnb tanks as a healer. So many of them and also so many of them that completely suck. Most DRK's I met were clearly the better players

I think it's because most of the people that play DRK currently play it out of passion for the job and even stick with it in times where it has problems

[urban phoenix]

yeah most gnbs are dps who want shorz queue

[lean ore]

https://tenor.com/view/shy-peaking-winning-pleading-eyes-gif-22149946

[gaunt star]

what does asphodelus mean?

[lean ore]

in ancient greek mythology its a plant with connections to the dead and underworld

[gaunt star]

ohhhhh makes sense considering the final cutscene we see at the end of endwalker 🙂

[lean ore]

yeee

[urban phoenix]

hu?

[lean ore]

h?

[gaunt star]

?

[lean ore]

well gam broke i guess

[urban phoenix]

no im confused where roku got the name from

[gaunt star]

it's the name of the 1st raid tier, they announced it on live letter

[lean ore]

Asphodelos is the first raid tier yeah

[urban phoenix]

ah okay

[lean ore]

also they previewed the area there

[gaunt star]

yeah that was crazy

[lean ore]

definitely looked like underworld lmao

as a greek im eatting in this expansion

[gaunt star]

is the alliance raid going to be released on 6.1?

[lean ore]

yeah

6.1, 6.3,6.5 i think 🤔

[gaunt star]

btw, when ||emet-selch mentioned the special places he went to, were those places mentioned in other parts of the game or was that the first instance?||

[gaunt star]

March maybe?

[lean ore]

|| they were mentioned briefly in places but not the way Emet did ||

[urban phoenix]

nah most places he listed we could visit where already known

[gaunt star]

where were they mentioned? like the ||blindfrost|| one?

[wind bough]

Blindfrost is on the world map and has a brief lorebook paragraph

[urban phoenix]

healing a dungeon lets talk in 10 mins roku

[gaunt star]

so we also know about the new world? i didnt even knew there was a new world lol

[terse cargo]

he also mentions mercydia in that final conversation as well,if thats not a hint of a next possible expansion location i dont know what is

[wind bough]

Yeah the New World has always been here

[lean ore]

blue mage is from New World

not the game xd

[wind bough]

It’s where Mamool Ja come from

And many fruit and things

It’s an Americas analogue located across the Indigo Deep to the west of Eorzea

[lean ore]

do we call the Source hydaelyn or ||etheirys ||now? 🤔

[urban phoenix]

i settled with calling it the source

[wind bough]

||Etheirys||

Tag spoilers btw

[wet crown]

either one is correct

[lean ore]

the new name sounds cooler

[urban phoenix]

but is incorrect kinda i think

[wet crown]

no, I meant...

I mean, I need coffee

[lean ore]

decide

[wind bough]

||Etheirys refers to the planet, both before and after the sundering||

[wet crown]

Yes, coffee. Buh-bye ~

[lean ore]

|| didnt urianger also call it etheirys when reffering to the Source xD ||

[wind bough]

[lean ore]

i forgot ok!!

[wind bough]

||When referring to the planet.||

[lean ore]

a

[wind bough]

||The Source is just one fragment of the sundered world||

Like

||It would not be inaccurate to also call all the shards Etheirys||

Or ||shards of Etheirys||

[lean ore]

i c ic

[wind bough]

Anyway ||as soon as we learn the name Etheirys, all NPCs immediately switch to calling it that instead of Hydaelyn||

It seems clear that that’s what it’s gonna be from now on

We even got ||an Etheirys globe furnishing which looks like shit btw||

[lean ore]

lol

[urban phoenix]

i disagree ||that the source and it shards should be called etheirys. because they are not the same celestial body. the celestial body of the ancients when it was whole was calley etheirys, probably a call upon the aether rich environment. but the source and their reflections are not the same. maybe thats nitpicking but thats how i think about it Xd||

[wind bough]

Yes they are

[terse cargo]

||i dont think the source is just a fragment to be fair,its the main part of the planet,all the shards came from it,its even said during the story,anything that happens to the source will happen to the fragments,if the final days happened to the source,all of the fragments were dead as well||

[lean ore]

you disagree, the writers dont :v

[wind bough]

It’s a fragment by definition

It’s not the whole thing

[lean ore]

it is a fragment but if || anything happens to it au revoir shards || :v

[wind bough]

That doesn’t have anything to do with the topic at hand though

[lean ore]

tru

[urban phoenix]

the name switching is pretty garbo if you ask me. ||maybe they decided upon it in the background to honor the ancient as in "remember the fallen" but there was no discussion about this, or maybe i missed it in a sidequest.||

you think we humans would stop calling earth earth because a ancient alien civilzation called it "Blue ball" before? sure lets switch to calling it "blue ball" from now on

[wind bough]

Well that’s how it be

[terse cargo]

so gotta question for anyone who might have been leveling trusts,||since the scions dont go to elpis with us,for obvious reasons.||..do they not have any dialogue for the level 87 dungeon? just got 6 outta the 7 to level 87

[urban phoenix]

sure. doesnt mean its a 100% logical

but we also beat up giant dragons with a metal brick so

[wet crown]

They do have dialogue.

[wind bough]

It’s like ||uncovering the true name hidden behind the primal||

[terse cargo]

they do? sweet,i remember in shadowbringers that scions who werent part of that particular dungeon in the story mostly stayed quiet,since this particular part was different i wasnt sure..i'll find out when i get home today

[gaunt star]

It's more like if we thought ||we lived on a goddess named Earth and discovered it's really the planet Terra with Earth's entry into the scene as a minor deity coming later, and also she just died||

[urban phoenix]

short sidetopic: am i the only one who feels like the uuuh for the lack of better word on my side "loudness" of the bgm is pretty unbalanced in some zones? Like|| radz at han ||is really "loud" and i have to go down on my audio then i join a dungeon and its really quiet and i have to give readjust

[urban phoenix]

maybe because i always made a clear distinction from the get go? planet = / = hydaelyn

[wind bough]

But that was not the case

Wait huh

I don’t really get what you’re saying I guess

[gloomy tide]

Can we do ||The Final Day|| with Trusts?

[jolly sierra]

no

[gloomy tide]

Looks like I have to...trust strangers then.

[jolly sierra]

[late aurora]

Well if you saw the cutscene beforehand you’d know why you couldn’t

[wind bough]

I would like to know what the fictional etymology of the name Hydaelyn is now though

[wet crown]

we'll know with the 3rd book

[late aurora]

I’m imagining ||Venat spending the entire time before Middy arrived thinking of a name||

[wet crown]

Nope.

She ||named herself Hydaelyn because the WoL told her.||

[crystal arrow]

at this point i think it’s ||just a case of a bootstrap paradox? since even venat is unsure of the name||

[wind bough]

😔

[urban phoenix]

what im saying is while it was suggested that hydaelyn and the planet are the same i never thought of it like that. for me hydaelyn was always a force of good that fought against the ascians

[late aurora]

I know this, but ||who came up with it first?||

[wind bough]

Ok but it was also the name of the planet though

[wet crown]

Don't you like ||paradoxes?||

We'll never know in the end due to the nature of this.

[wind bough]

Well

[crystal arrow]

||because we told venat the name, thus she named hydaelyn that and thus the planet came to be called hydaelyn and then our wol was born||

[urban phoenix]

by the npcs because they didnt know better yes. ||maybe which is why they changed to etheirys after the revelation that hydaelyn is "just" a eldest primal together with zodiark and the planet is actually calles etheirys. ||

[wind bough]

Not we’ll never know

But there is no answer

[crystal arrow]

[wet crown]

Well okay, Yoshi-P could answer that I guess but...

without first-hand confirmation, I mean

[wind bough]

The answer is in the game

[wet crown]

The answer is in our kokoros

[wind bough]

||The origin is paradoxical, there is no starting point||

[wet crown]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/321547697033314305/868656812554059776/pensivewobble.gif

[wind bough]

That’s the whole point

[urban phoenix]

i hate closed time loops because its the same shit as "what came first chicken or egg"

[wet crown]

that's a bad example of a loop

[crystal arrow]

relevant vid ||https://youtu.be/u4SEDzynMiQ ||

[urban phoenix]

there is no real "start" and thats irriates the fuck out of me

[crystal arrow]

explains ||the bootstrap paradox pretty clearly||

[gloomy tide]

That's why it's always very iffy when doing a ||time travel story||.

[urban phoenix]

whats a bootstrap paradox?

[jolly sierra]

|| time travel stories pog as fuck though ||

[crystal arrow]

…. ||watch the video.||

[jolly sierra]

||love them||

[urban phoenix]

but that means i have to watch the whole explanation when i just want a summary

[jolly sierra]

||its literally 2 minutes||

[gloomy tide]

It's complicated.

[jolly sierra]

[urban phoenix]

i just googled

i prefer to read text instead of video because of my hearing impairment

[gloomy tide]

The funny part is the video literally says "Google it"

[pastel venture]

Am I missing something? Or would beethoven in this case never exist in the first place, if there was no one who actually made the sheet music?

[crystal arrow]

The time traveler’s future self did. In the past.

[jolly sierra]

my advice when it comes to time travel shit is dont think about it too much

[gloomy tide]

It’s the futurama episode where Fry is his own grandpa.

[pastel venture]

Yea but like, The paradox can't be created I think. If there is no one to create the sheet music, then there should be no timeline where the sheetmusic exists

[gusty quiver]

More like doctor poo

[crystal arrow]

But the sheet music exists.

And the time traveler created the sheet music.

[wind bough]

The paradox has always existed

Failure to understand the bootstrap paradox is usually the result of overcomplicating it in your head

It’s just an infinitely recurring loop

With no beginning or end

[crystal arrow]

^^^

[pastel venture]

But how did the loop start

[late willow]

It didn't

It was always there

[urban phoenix]

thats why its called paradox

[crystal arrow]

There is no start.

[late willow]

Thats why its a paradox

[pastel venture]

Right so applied to real life, it should never exist

[crystal arrow]

It can though.

and real life is irrelevant

[gloomy tide]

I mean time traveling isn’t real.

[crystal arrow]

welllll….

[gaunt star]

the sheet music is like a macro-scale virtual particle

[wind bough]

It has no beginning.

[gaunt star]

it can exist out of seemingly nowhere so long as it stops existing before the universe gets too sus

[wind bough]

The idea of the bootstrap paradox is a hypothetical model for how time travel to the past might function if it were possible in real life.

It’s not and it doesn’t though

[pastel venture]

Well my point is if we somehow had a time machine in real life, the bootstrap paradox shouldn't be able to happen

[late willow]

Thats why its a paradox

You're over thinking it

Also time travel isn't real

[gloomy tide]

You gotta get over the whole real life part.

[pastel venture]

[crystal arrow]

stop comparing it to reality.

[gusty quiver]

Did you know!

[urban phoenix]

we dont know that yet

[gusty quiver]

No we do

[late willow]

You're right, we can't trust SERN CERN

[urban phoenix]

inventions always had something to do with dreams

[wind bough]

We know with certainty, or as much certainty as we can have about basically anything

[gusty quiver]

Where are the time travellers then?

[jolly sierra]

very interesting takes

[jolly sierra]

consider: time travel is possible, but the time police get to them before we do

[gloomy tide]

The most time traveling you’ll ever witness are the stars in the sky.

[jolly sierra]

damn time police

[late aurora]

I can time travel

[jolly sierra]

[late willow]

Time travellers developed the first Deus Ex

[late aurora]

Seconds at a time

[gusty quiver]

Fucking time police ruin fun

[jolly sierra]

at a rate of one second per second?

[gusty quiver]

I swear to god this is true

[late aurora]

Sadly I’m not that good at it

[wind bough]

Every night I lie down and King Crimson up to 8 hours

[gusty quiver]

Replaying Deus Ex is fucking freaky today

[late willow]

Fun fact, Deus Ex predicted 9/11 before 9/11

[rain onyx]

When do I get the sleep update that allows me to force sleep to happen

Instead of the slow startup time

[wet crown]

Mood.

[gusty quiver]

And the raid on area 51

[late willow]

||https://i.imgur.com/engQxPi.png||

BBQ

[gusty quiver]

Is this a bbw joke?

Deus ex predicted credit card tap too

[urban phoenix]

oh do we go into "predicted" stuff?

akira predicted covid o.oi

[pastel venture]

I'm starting to not like time travel stories anymore lol

[urban phoenix]

they are always iffy

[pastel venture]

steins;gate did it well I feel, mostly because it picked a system and sticked to it

and avoided any paradoxes afaik

[jolly sierra]

if you want some real fucked up time travel mystery check out The Sekimeiya: Spun Glass on steam

[jolly sierra]

the time travel is confusing as fuck and figuring it out is part of the mystery

the mystery itself is also pretty good

but

the characters suck

all of them

[pastel venture]

I'll check it out, thanks

[late willow]

Tbf, Steins;Gate is one of the few stories to do time travel perfectly

[gusty quiver]

In doctor poo?

O

[pastel venture]

Doctor who literally just didn't care

"Paradoxes? eh whatever box can handle it"

[late willow]

Doctor Who was originally intended to be an educational show

The time travel is just there as an excuse to go to the past/future

[indigo shale]

yeah and by the third episode they were like nah, lets add the daleks, which in the end worked out a lot better than it staying educational, but they never really cared for paradoxes that much, just what ever happens happens

[urban phoenix]

ye they just rolled with it

[urban phoenix]

isnt that the anime where they uuh send back your consciousness?

[indigo shale]

and i guess with a show almost 60 years old anyway, it was bound to happen at some point where it makes no sense

[urban phoenix]

probably spelled that last word wrong

[late willow]

Yeah

Well there are a few different time travel methods

But time leaping is a big thing in Steins;Gate

[rain onyx]

What if I want to be my own grandfather???

Weak

No wait, that’d make me straight

Nvm

[late willow]

Ah, the Assassin's Creed problem

[urban phoenix]

i dont see how ac has a problem

[pastel venture]

Wait don't tell me AC committed a grandfather problem

[urban phoenix]

you see the life of your ancestors which is stored in your dna

[late willow]

It was in reference to this

[rain onyx]

I was thinking Futurama

[next quarry]

bless the moon

[late willow]

The writers for AC Odyssey let you be gay, but forgot that the entire game is based around genetic memory, and thus would require your character to have a biological child

So they just decided that the MC is suddenly straight

[pastel venture]

I mean

bisexuality exists

[next quarry]

nice

[urban phoenix]

oh yeah right 😂

[gaunt star]

NO, you're either Straight or Astolfo. No other options

[jolly sierra]

[granite nimbus]

I mean, you're joking, but Astolfo is very affectionate toward his male Master in Fate/Apocrypha but also banged princesses all over Europe in his myth.

[late aurora]

The male master in the FGO gag manga is also very affectionate to Astolfo

[marsh osprey]

(absolute mega spoiler so dont click if you dont wanna hurt yourself) card and 5 comms ez

[marsh osprey]

astolfo based

[obsidian notch]

dont you need like 500 of those to get that big fat chocbo mount

[timber lichen]

if the echo makes you immune to tempering then how did the ascians get tempered to zodiark

[quasi zodiac]

Do they say they are directly tempered?

[gaunt star]

Yes

[timber lichen]

yes emet tells us in shb

[gaunt star]

Emet does but in his case they aren't mad feverish zealots like the other tempered we see

Its more like they lean towards and look up to zodiark rather than religiously worship it

[timber lichen]

so in the lvl 83 trial ||fandaniel just decides to...not temper us||

[gaunt star]

He cant

Were immune

[timber lichen]

but the ascians arent immune so why are we??

[gaunt star]

||Venat would be unaffected for the same reason||

||Its her wards keeping us safe to begin with, which implies some form of tempering may have been present even in the time of the ancients||

[timber lichen]

oh i guess

i wish they brought this stuff up more clearly in the msq but whatever

[quasi zodiac]

EW made it so that the BoL is the anti-tempering thing but that literally makes no sense in the greater game

[late aurora]

It’s both

We’re just doubled up on anti-temper juice

[gaunt star]

Its a protection ward ultimately and it does its job well

[quasi zodiac]

It's just weird

Making BoL related to anti-tempering muddys the water

[late aurora]

Why?

[gaunt star]

Its a protection ward

So not really

[quasi zodiac]

Midgard takes/seals the BoL in late ARR and you don't have it for HW, but you don't get tempered then

[late aurora]

Echo

[quasi zodiac]

EW mentions that it's just the BoL for the most part

[gaunt star]

How it was able to keep the Asians out of the rising stones is curious though looking back

[quasi zodiac]

The echo is barely mentioned in EW but the BoL is mentioned constantly

[marsh osprey]

3000

Have them already

[thorny flax]

The "nO AScIAnS ALlOWeD" sign in front of the building is just too powerful

[gusty quiver]

Worth it to mention that people from shards have much less aether as opposed to the unsundereds which could make tempering unsundered much easier as theres more aether to influence.

[dire current]

Anyone here have the secretlab 2022 titan chair

I just ordered it

[native sapphire]

which song plays during ||meteion's|| speech ?

[mint sail]

the poor sods in the Chi waiting room have been "5 more mins" for the past 2 hours or so

[trim kite]

i'm mugging this card off you

last thing standing between me and zenos reaper card

[wet crown]

To come back to the point above, the Echo doesn't give immunity. It's just really, really good at blocking the subjegation.

If Bahamut would've tried to temper Echo users, I'm sure he would've succeeded against at least a few.
It's all a matter of willpower and stuff.

[trim kite]

i doubt bahamut could temper the WoL

[wet crown]

Due to plot armor - no.

[trim kite]

bahamut's tempering was really long range but didnt seem to be powerful enough to overpower the echo

[indigo shale]

we had like 6 crystals of light to boost the BoL power, would have to be some unimaginable primal to be able to temper us

[wet crown]

No, you're thinking too far ahead.

I'm speaking of Bahamut before he fired that Terraflare to cause the calamity.

[trim kite]

the only times we've seen points where the echo has faltered legitimately

[wet crown]

Not the shitty weakened version.

[trim kite]

was ultima and on the first

[wet crown]

wha?

[trim kite]

with ultima

hydaelyn had to step in

even though our echo was at full power

[wet crown]

The point of Ultima is to destroy, not temper.

[trim kite]

our echo would still resist it

[wet crown]

the echo isn't an anti-magic field

[trim kite]

the echo does provide resistence from aether based attacks

[wet crown]

tough words for someone in Ultima range

[late aurora]

Hydalyn had to intervene so Ultima didn’t kill us

[trim kite]

although it is muddled now the extent of what is the echo and what is ||dynamis||

[wet crown]

No, it's not

[trim kite]

in terms of mitigating stuff

i would assume the latter has only come in when we are basically on death's doorstep

[wet crown]

try talking to a lore mentor about this

[late aurora]

LB is ||dynamis||

[trim kite]

it's probably bad to go in depth about it when in reality the reasons are going to be

because plot lol

here is the real question

||do the lopurrits have the echo?||

[wet crown]

No.

[trim kite]

||i mean they have creation magic given to them by hydaelyn why not the echo?||

[wet crown]

That is a pretty easy question because, ||they literally outright confirm She made them all. They weren't naturally born. So no echo.||

Unless you wanna hope for ||Resonanceway|| some day

[trim kite]

||resonanceway trust||

[spiral mica]

imo the loporrit part was quite annoying, because of the jarring tonal shift once you meet them

the first half of that zone was so fucking awesome'

[late aurora]

Shun the non-bunliever

[waxen karma]

The game tends to put a lighthearted bit after an intense bit to calm you down

[spiral mica]

bruh i didnt need to spend 4 hours in fucking bunnytown after that

i dont have many beefs with EW, but that is one of them

[late aurora]

I mean with what happens after bunnytown...

[spiral mica]

havent got there yet

but i hope its BRUTAL, to wash the bunnytown bullshit out of my mind

[waxen karma]

For example, ||Zodiark is defeated > bunny people||, ||The Thavnair final days incident > Elpis||, ||The Last Day duty > Zenos duty||. The 6.0 expansion was paced to have these ups and downs so not to be too overhandedly overwhelming

I wouldn't recommemd reading the above if you haven't beaten the game though

though, that's up to you if you decide to read spoiler text

[pastel venture]

||tbf the bunny section did drag on more than it needed to||

[thorny flax]

||I really don't get the criticism regarding that the final days should have happened in more zones in terms of story. I feel like this would completely ruin the entire pacing. I don't need to go into 3-5 zones just to see that bad things are happening when thavnair was already so monkaW||

[spiral mica]

yeah, this is also kinda a standard pacing for JRPG stories in general. There is always that section with the cutesy anime stuff. I expect it. i just was annoyed they spent so long on it during what i felt was a climax in hte plot

sorry im venting

hard to find fault with EW in general

its pretty fantastic

[pastel venture]

||I kinda wanted the final days to happen in one of the ARR zones just to mix it up a little. Would be interesting to see Thanalan or Gridania with the final days||

[spiral mica]

i do find the pacing a bit less consistent than prior expacs, however

[thorny flax]

||I think a change in the skybox like 1.0 would have been great. But honestly I thought it was way more scarier that it could always happen and doesn't need a change in the skybox||

[spiral mica]

seems like they were worried about having it be TOO heavy

[waxen karma]

||The only plot hole I kinda see with it happening where it did first was that, as far as I know, Dancers originate from Thavnair, who's job was to combat negative emotional manifistations. If anywhere would have been equipped to deal with what happened, Thavnair should have this is, of course, that I am not misremembering where Dancers originate from||

[indigo shale]

||i mean one person having negative emotions is nothing on the scale of the final days, where as such your aether seems to completely disappear and the fact that the world is ending, dancing aint gonna do shit||

[thorny flax]

in terms of pacing: ||I honestly feel that it's not really that different from Shadowbringers except for the start which Shadowbringers did better imo. Shadowbringers has similar pacing issues as well especially at the start of Tempest.|| ||Endwalker copied in a lot of ways Shadowbringers||

[waxen karma]

||The job quest line has you dealing with groups of people, and shows that what they did was quite effective at deminishing turmoil, but the story made no attempt to show this alleged lore being used to any capacity in the land dancers hail from. Seems as though it would have been reasonable that some attempt would be made based off the discussed values of dancer duties in the job questline. It just feels like they forgot about it and was dissapointing||

[thorny flax]

which is weird ||because Yoshida said that they want to avoid copying Shadowbringers because it hurts the story||

[buoyant hatch]

||I think the way it feels like it copies Shadowbringers is because it has the same writer, and now we see so much of her work we start to realize her tropes||

[lean ore]

|| Amaurot was also the last place the Final Days reached, so it was spreading slowly anyway xD ||

[spiral mica]

i found the upper half of Kholusia was where the pacing fell apart in ShB. The rest was good, imo

[half phoenix]

Because Thavnair ISN’T the land of DNC. It’s the land of Alchemists. Most of the NPCs that mention the DNC job trainer act like she’s literally the only one who can teach them how to do it. Like her former students, colleagues when she was a student, or her teacher’s colleagues (or so on) don’t exist.

[gusty quiver]

Man speaking of shadowbringers ||Im still fucked up over when Raha sac'd himself to meteion and the ShB music starts playing||

[silent sundial]

Had to world travel while I was in the ||MotherCrystal|| pre-fight area. Is there any way to get back there to GPose with the gang?

[half phoenix]

Eh, ||when he left you knew everyone was coming back||

[indigo shale]

||we knew everyone was coming back as soon as we fought hydaelyn, as she powered up the azem crystal||

[half phoenix]

That too

But I mean ||with G’raha we had 2 all-rounders, a dps, and a healer they could finagle into a dps slot like they did with Urianger for Hydaelyn. Enough to run the dungeon that was left. With him gone it was impossible to run the dungeon.||

[gaunt star]

Kinda hard to pretend that ||Estinien is dead for good when his inclusion in the Trust system was a bullet point in the marketing.||

[tulip geyser]

||I DID get caught in the moment and really thought Thancred got it there for realsies for a second, being the tank to end all tanks.
Then everyone else started falling over and I was like "O"||

[jolly sierra]

look can we just

||not bring up trusts||

|| if someone comes in here who's only halfway through the UT story ||

|| "u knew they were coming back"||

||NO I DIDNT BECAUSE IM STUPID AND WANTED TO IMMERSE MYSELF IN THE STORY||

|| and at that point trusts were literally the last thing from my mind||

[half phoenix]

Meta knowledge will always be a thing

[jolly sierra]

so?

let people experience the story

christ

[half phoenix]

There’s a reason more and more DMs in DnD don’t let the players acquire completely random sacks of flour XD

[jolly sierra]

|| ok but thats not a reason to @ someone who's halfway through the UT story and be like HEY META KNOWLEDGE||

[indigo shale]

||well yshtola herself mentions about the azem stone, aswell as hydaelyn powers it up for us to use, you dont need to use meta knowledge to figure out they were coming back||

[unreal gale]

I mean, they could have made it so that Trusts are only available with certain dungeons/trials, as they did during the story. I don't think your meta knowledge is bulletproof.

[jolly sierra]

|| like i said||

|| i didnt||

[wet crown]

Common sense.

[jolly sierra]

|| because im stupid||

[half phoenix]

As for characters dying. Look at movies “oh, the lead/title character died/sacrificed themselves.... and there’s 15-20 minutes left in the movie. They’ll be back”

[jolly sierra]

|| and i genuinely thought the writers were gonna pull the trigger on one of them ||

[unreal gale]

||Y'shtola also tells you to not use it. I figured they were coming back as well, but it wasn't guaranteed.||

[jolly sierra]

thats literally not the point

just

[wet crown]

||Ofc her wish would be ignored.||

Like come on.

[indigo shale]

||if they didnt have hydaelyn power up the stone, it would make it more questionable if they could come back||

[wet crown]

[jolly sierra]

||can we just stop using meta knowledge as an excuse to spoil people on the story?||

[half phoenix]

No.

[jolly sierra]

oh i see

you know

i thought you were just unaware

[unreal gale]

Bruh, I'm not arguing about how likely it was for her wish to be respected. I'm just saying there was a possibility, and that you don't need to deny it for players still in the midst of the story.

[half phoenix]

Because they even gave us a mcguffin almost immediately before hand too

[jolly sierra]

but you get off on this dont you

lmao

understandable then

have a nice day

[half phoenix]

Even stuff like pyretic, and the freeze AoEs (spacing on the name) are meta knowledge

[jolly sierra]

also yeah precisely this

[half phoenix]

Keep activity to a minimum during heatwaves to prevent collapse/heat stroke, and keep active in the cold.

[jolly sierra]

[thorny flax]

Is it possible to replay the arcanist/summoner questline? because I want to see what they changed

[jolly sierra]

how is that relevant to the current conversation at all

[wet crown]

New Game+

[thorny flax]

nice thank you

[unreal gale]

There's New Game+, right? It should reflect changes (if there were any). Have fun!

[jolly sierra]

we're talking about story not

[half phoenix]

I don’t think they changed anything with 6.0

[jolly sierra]

yeah ok nvm i give up

[wet crown]

Man, stop being so prickly

[half phoenix]

They changed, I think 1 quest in 5.4 or 5.5

[wet crown]

it was Arenvald's inclusion in the 80 quest

it boiled down to some lines of text

[half phoenix]

No

[thorny flax]

SMN is so sick this expansion. The foundation is so great. I hope they add even more summons

[half phoenix]

I thought it was level 40-50

[wet crown]

That...won't happen

[half phoenix]

We’re never getting Levi, Ramuh, or Shiva

[wet crown]

Trances and glamour can be done though.

[brisk quail]

I hope never

[thorny flax]

I want doomtrain as a gapcloser

[half phoenix]

We MIGHT get a new trance at 100

[half phoenix]

Ifrit’s Astral Flow

[thorny flax]

oh I haven't unlocked that I think. Is it lvl 85+?

[half phoenix]

86?

[thorny flax]

ah yeah it's 86

[half phoenix]

It’s a trait

[thorny flax]

nice I only need 1 level

because I'm 85

[humble heron]

The next smn primal will be koji fox, calling it now

[brisk quail]

Good predict

But wasn't he going to be the RPR level 99 skill?

Summon koji?

[half phoenix]

Titan gets the instant cast weaves, Ifrit gets the aoe gap closer and melee combo attack, and Garuda gets the long cast wind puddle

[humble heron]

Misdirect

[tidal mauve]

maybe it'll be yet another demi summon phase

speaking of

[half phoenix]

Part of me is still hoping Alexander Trance, or Hydaelyn/Zodiark Trance

[tidal mauve]

summon baha should just do searing light by itself

[half phoenix]

Yea XD

[wet crown]

That would require a trance

[lean ore]

alexander trance pog

[tidal mauve]

it sucks to have to ruin 3 first, mash searing light and hope it doesn't ghost when you summon baha

literally my only gripe with the job

[lean ore]

https://tenor.com/view/goblin-slayer-stressed-priestess-anime-you-get-used-to-it-gif-13752108

[wet crown]

of all the possible things, ||Mothercrystal|| Trance seems the most likely

[half phoenix]

I mean, why not Alexander? Bahamut is DPS Trance, Firebird is Healer Trance. We need a Tank/Defense Trance

[thorny flax]

alexander could buff an absorb shield or damage reduction

[wet crown]

But with SMN's gameplay, that would mean it'd replace or be a temporary upgrade to DWT or FBT

[half phoenix]

3rd one in sequence

[wet crown]

Because EW gave us something better and more relevant

[half phoenix]

Bahamut-Firebird-Alexander-Bahamut-etc

[wet crown]

that pushes back phoenix and its healing

that pushes back bahamut and its raw damage

that unnecessarily interrupts the flow of the job after aquisition

it can only replace with similiar/better upsides

[half phoenix]

Historically ||Mothercrystal|| isn’t known for being an impenetrable fortress though, and has been easily stolen or destroyed

[wet crown]

You just want Alexander

[thorny flax]

Do you guys think they could go the FFXVI way and give summoner the ability to turn parts of their body into parts of the primals?

[half phoenix]

Well they’re going to have to give SMN SOMETHING for 91-100 if they raise levelcap and add more skills

[wet crown]

if EW is anything to go by 1-2 new skills and the rest upgrades

[half phoenix]

Which would be??

Not High Ruin or anything for the Rites and Catastrophes

We already summon the primals now, so no new summon skills

I don’t see them changing Favors

[wet crown]

I hope you understand they're not literally primals though

[half phoenix]

Yes but I mean they aren’t changing them to something else

[wet crown]

Don't have to.

As I said, 1-2 new skills. Rest upgrades to existing stuff.

[half phoenix]

Then what would the new skills be? A new trance seems to be the way to go

Also ||Mothercrystal isn’t the primal||

[wet crown]

Sure, that can happen. But that trance has to be better at what it replaces in that timeframe

it cannot just push bahamut or phoenix back

[half phoenix]

No it doesn’t

[brisk quail]

Honestly I think SMN is done

[wet crown]

oh ffs

[brisk quail]

It'll get random potency changes

Maybe a new fester button

[lean ore]

https://tenor.com/view/soken-fan-fest-lahee-otamatone-hum-gif-21581907

[brisk quail]

Maybe get 3 charges of aetherflow instead of 2

🤷‍♂️

[half phoenix]

Phoenix technically is worse than Bahamut

At 70+ you lose a Deathflare every minute and it becomes once every 2 minutes

[simple fiber]

I feel bad. I just bought 99 HQ Palm sugars at 5 gil each...

I'm pretty sure it was a mistake of some sort

[lean ore]

thats only 495 gil ull be fine

[simple fiber]

I mean for the seller

[lean ore]

oh

happens :v

i bought a shinryu mat for 200k once cause the seller forgot a zero

https://tenor.com/view/smirk-anime-anime-girl-smirk-zenith-evil-smirk-funny-smile-gif-20308316

[simple fiber]

that smirk

[gaunt star]

||Okay, so we repurposed some warmurderbots to run a cafe at the end of the universe. I can see nothing wrong with this.||

[viscid monolith]

|| *Traumatized it into running a cafe ||

[lean ore]

|| Omicron beast tribe quests lets gooo ||

[fluid laurel]

|| so was Omega an Omicron ||

[lean ore]

|| yes ||

[fluid laurel]

|| if so it makes omega's story on wanting to return home even more sad ||

[lean ore]

cry

[half phoenix]

||So who’s going to be combat?|| And please for the love of god SE, 2 combat tribes this time, please. We don’t need one specifically for gathering. Gathering is so easy to level, even without leves

[lean ore]

buy the Omega outfit to fund restoration

[fluid laurel]

[lean ore]

got btn and miner to 90 in 5 hours 😔

[half phoenix]

No

[fluid laurel]

grats @lean ore

i'm still leveling reaper

[half phoenix]

||Omega was a weapon designed by the Omicron||

[lean ore]

day 3 of endwalker so its been a while xd

i got SMN/SCH 90 today

[half phoenix]

I’m just doing daily GC turn ins XD

[jade relic]

What’s the name of the dungeon that we enter early game, where no one told us to go in there?

[half phoenix]

???

[jade relic]

Probably the wrong channel for this question now that I think of it lmao

[tidal mauve]

probably toto rak

delete toto rak

[half phoenix]

Every dungeon has someone telling us to go in it

[lean ore]

delete half ARR dungeons ty

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/100463940835762176/907392355810824262/helltaker-yshtola-2-1.gif

[half phoenix]

How else would we unlock the dungeons?

[tidal mauve]

everyone who thinks new dungeons are too linear and lacking in secondary objectives should be condemned to play toto rak forever

[half phoenix]

Just stumble upon a random entry portal out in the map?

[jade relic]

No there’s one dungeon where we get told about it, they say “everyone who goes in there dies, I’d stay out if I were you” and we go in anyway

[half phoenix]

Probably Toto-Rak

Because of all the poison

[half phoenix]

I still don’t see why people complain that dungeons are “short”. Why would you want to be stuck in something you’ll be running a few dozen times minimum for longer than you need to be?

[lean ore]

yeah lol

and i hated the longer non-linear ARR dungeons

im not there to explore places that provide nothing xd

[indigo shale]

toto rak will forever be the bane of levelling roulettes

[half phoenix]

Like yea, I’ll appreciate the scenery the first couple times, but after that, I’m just there for tomes or EXP, or the damn minion that won’t drop and isn’t tradeable -_- ||Just make Starbird guaranteed SE||

[lean ore]

|| no farm it ||

[half phoenix]

Also, anyone else feel like the accessory trials need to stop dropping the actual accessories and drop a coffer instead?

[half phoenix]

Yes, like it matters when we can farm them solo with a trust and still get the drops

[lean ore]

|| its worth it || uwu

[half phoenix]

But i mean it arbitrarily being rare, in a dungeon we can run effectively solo is pointless

[indigo shale]

if they make stuff guaranteed drops, then why have dungeon loot in the first place, give it to a vendor

[wheat night]

It's a mmo

It's supposed to be time consuming

[half phoenix]

Then stop making raid mounts guanranteed

[indigo shale]

its still time consuming to get savage drops

[lean ore]

more time consuming than a dungeon id say

[half phoenix]

People are clearing savage 4/8/12 on release day. Then have it on farm the next week.

[indigo shale]

and you have to do it 8 times usually, one for each party member

[half phoenix]

All 8 get the mount in 8 clears/weeks then bever touch it again

[indigo shale]

thats the same with dungeons usually, get what you want, then never touch it again

[half phoenix]

No reason a non-tradeable minion, ||that’s tied to the story||, shouldn’t be guaranteed

[indigo shale]

its a fucking minion, its not important to anything

[gaunt star]

So, x.0 Expert Dungeons will now forever be End of the World/Drifting Tender/Smooth Jazz?

[half phoenix]

Because it takes so long to get it’s out of the cycle for expert roulette

[indigo shale]

?

are you implying|| the dead ends is not in the expert roulette||

[half phoenix]

No

I’m saying its going to take people so long to get the arbitrary rare drop, that by the time they do get it, it’ll be demoted to 50/60/70/80/90 roulette

[tidal mauve]

there's gotta be a way to turn off display of all minions

[half phoenix]

Side note: they really need to rename that

[dull jolt]

Hey so how do I hit item lvl 560?

[half phoenix]

AF gear from Sharlayan and accessories from the expert dungeons

[lean ore]

AF gear, the last accessories

[dull jolt]

Okay then

[half phoenix]

Armor and weapon from Sharlayan, and “The Last” accessories from the level 90 dungeons currently, are all 560

[wet crown]

Tome gear is 570

[half phoenix]

And trial gear is 580, with raid tomorrow most likely being 590

[mild notch]

Can someone send me a pic ||of that elpis outfit|| I need one so my FC leader can basically bard anyone from wearing it in the fc gardens because the spoiler implications

[half phoenix]

We don’t know where that starts yet, do we? Just where it takes place?

[half phoenix]

Good luck with that. People are wearing it in Limsa, Gridania, Ul’dah, Sharlayan, and Radz-at-han

[mild notch]

Honestly I've only seen it twice on light lich

[indigo shale]

its just an outfit, their are no spoiler implications, might aswell bar them from wearing the shadowless set aswell

[half phoenix]

The Shadowless gear/||87|| gear is pretty close too

[indigo shale]

a spoiler without context isnt a spoiler, it becomes a spoiler when someone points it out and brings attention to it

[half phoenix]

We’re slowly reaching the point where “spoilers” won’t matter anyways

[late aurora]

You say that

But it’s month 1 still

[half phoenix]

Like if anyone in your FC relays hunts, guess what, ||Elpis and Ultima Thule|| are S rank spawn locations currently and we know the triggers

[indigo shale]

anyway, people have names as spoilers i guess, saw someone named Ardbert AzemFray the other day

[late aurora]

Pick your wife/husband

[half phoenix]

There’s FCs with the “AZEM” tag, and people with the title for clearing the ||Elpis|| story

[tidal mauve]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/661508266320330753/920544790687408188/Swedish_Michael_Jackson.mp4

[half phoenix]

Then people using ||Argos|| using the ||Omicron minion||, relaying Chi spawns

[tidal mauve]

that one new title

[next quarry]

thancred

I want thancred in my room

||BUT HE DIDNT EVEN WANT TO COME IN||

[gaunt star]

Graha

[mild notch]

I picked Estinien his was kinda funny

[gaunt star]

Estiniens was literally memeworthy

The Chad window user

[south flare]

Im really excited for pandæmonium

[steady spruce]

So i reach lvl 90 but my artifact gear still said 89

[north silo]

Because that set is equipped at level 89

[steady spruce]

oooh

i probably made the last fights harder than it need to be lol

[south flare]

Yeah the level is 89 for it

[steady spruce]

so i unequipped and reequipped it?

because the lvl sync still didnt happen

[gusty quiver]

Which one?

[tidal mauve]

moonwalker

[wheat night]

Are there any notable 50 dungeons for glamour purposes

[sand breach]

is it just me or is the lvl89 msq quest ||where u launch the spaceship|| feel kinda empty without any recorded voice lines

[marsh osprey]

almost BiS o/

[next quarry]

nice

[marsh osprey]

i am the bot now

[south flare]

|| Ehh kinda but the cutscene after of the primals talking to each other makes up for it ||

[sand breach]

well no i actually have audio issues :/
relogging
sfx werent working

[tardy igloo]

are there still queues

[sand breach]

yes

[south flare]

Ah lol

Yeah but only like 1k max for me

In the afternoon

Not bad

This morning i got up and had no queue at all

[sand breach]

they're quite good now actually

[safe grotto]

Next time give mah boy G'raha some face time

[west snow]

who is stronger and why? || hydaelyn or zodiark??|| msq final spoiler

[indigo shale]

||well we dont know, and its hard to know as we have not seen full strength zodiark||

[south flare]

|| hydaelyn ||

[marsh osprey]

||zodiark as per msq, he was just chained up by hydaelyn, after she wasted all power to split the aether available in to 14 shards, but she couldnt destroy him, zodiark on moon was in a super incomplete state, but if set free would have restored the original eitherys as per ascian will||

[west snow]

|| so zodiark then, if he got full strength ||

[south flare]

Yeah

[west snow]

|| but then how did hydaelyn cut him down in the first place if he was strong?||

[south flare]

|| determination ||

[indigo shale]

||we dont know the full details of how the fight went down, but most likely a lucky hit||

[marsh osprey]

||because hydaelyn had the immediate surge of power from being summoned and zodiark was busy holding up the laws of creation||

this is what i got from reading the new lore provided

||once zodiark died the laws of creation just collapsed as meteion finally was able to influence the star once again||

[indigo shale]

||thinking about it, even though the metions were nesting at the end of the universe, what was really stopping it forming the endsinger and just blowing the shit out of the moon and killing zodiark, i dont think either hydaelyn or the ascians could have really defended against that||

[marsh osprey]

||zodiark was literally powerful shield holding up the laws of creation||

[indigo shale]

||yeah but did that spread to the moon, or just etheryis, as the moon was created after zodiark which he werent summoned to protect the celestial currents for||

[marsh osprey]

||meteion doesnt have much influence on a world full of aether if it shielded||

[west snow]

oh wow

[marsh osprey]

id guess ||the moon is just hydaelyns creation and protected by her||

On a interesting sidenote

||praetorium cutscenes hint directly at the moon so this plotpoint is as old as the game||

||is big brain as fuck||

[indigo shale]

||the moon has always been a plotpoint, even in 1.0 with dalamud, the moon is just a very important thing in japanese culture from what i understand||

[marsh osprey]

||in praetorium camera points to the moon and then changes view onto lahabrea as he talks about zodiark||

Its pretty genius

Oh no

[wind bough]

||Zodiark being in the moon was revealed in patch 3.2||

[marsh osprey]

How did they hint that

I dont remember everything

[wind bough]

It wasn’t a hint it was outright said

[indigo shale]

they never did anything with the "fathercrystal" did they it showed up once in the post prae cutscene and thats it, never seen again from what i remember

[wind bough]

Word of the Mother says she banished Zodiark to the distant heavens to become a moon bound

[marsh osprey]

What happened in 3.2

[wind bough]

Antitower

[marsh osprey]

Nice

So they hinted in prae

Went to antitower to reveal it

[indigo shale]

i doubt they hinted in prae

[marsh osprey]

And 2 expansions later they finally gotto it

Crazy

They 100% hint inprae

[indigo shale]

considering they didnt even know if the game was going to succeed enough to plan for the future

[marsh osprey]

It sooooo obvious

[jolly sierra]

Idk chances are they just put it there as a "hey it'd be nice if we could do this if the game gets that far"

[marsh osprey]

11 pm and after has decent queues now

[jolly sierra]

I really don't think they had everything planned out lol

Not back then

[marsh osprey]

People are doing content

But not the msq

So they can actually log off

Most people

That is

[jolly sierra]

Ur pfp

Big fan

[marsh osprey]

Any time out of 4-11 pm window is relatively decent with queues

Now

Also pto is used up

So many people cant play longer than 11 pm

[regal lantern]

Do I have to do role quests for job gear?

[indigo shale]

no

[marsh osprey]

You can go tired into work for a week

But you cant keep it up indefinitely

[regal lantern]

I’m lvl 90 already but where is it

[indigo shale]

AF gear is available in sharlayan, youll know when its unlocked because is explicitly tells you where to get it

[regal lantern]

Oh

[marsh osprey]

You have to do role quest to be able to dye job gear

The job gear is essentially free

From msq

[indigo shale]

to dye it yeah, but to get it no

[marsh osprey]

You have to do nothing but progress

No dumb quests

Or tasks

[regal lantern]

Fair enough
I guess I can’t fight ||Hydaelyn|| with it

[marsh osprey]

Technically

But for first time nope

[regal lantern]

Aish

Fair enough

[marsh osprey]

As you get gear

Before progressing to last area

But it syncs to 89

[regal lantern]

I’m currently wearing lvl 88 gear now with 89 accessories

[tribal summit]

bit late to seeing this, but maintenance is in a few hours, so people may have already just preemptively logged off

[wide idol]

play until maint you cowards

[astral trout]

How many tries did it took?

[lean ore]

2 trust runs

basically very lucky xd

[astral trout]

Lucky, I should use trust as well now that I think

Last thing I want is to see it drop and not get it

[lean ore]

normal runs are faster but ure not guaranteed ull get the minion so

[astral trout]

I think i've done like 10+ runs and no drop 😦

I'm gonna go WAR and wall to wall with Trust, let's see how it goes

[north silo]

What dungeon are u running

[gaunt star]

normals or savages will be weekly locked?

[north silo]

They’ll be weekly locked

[gaunt star]

so both?

[north silo]

They only become unlocked towards the end of the expansion iirc

Yes

[wind bough]

They’ll become unlocked in the next tier.

[astral trout]

||The Dead Ends||

[worthy trellis]

We should be getting patch notes tonight right?

[loud violet]

life of extremes

[lean ore]

https://i.redd.it/kz02t7ecei681.png

[half phoenix]

In theory, we should have gotten prelim ones on friday last week

[charred sigil]

Anyone has clue where is the starter quest for pandemonium raid? Is it officially announce yet?

[sand tiger]

I don't think so

[half phoenix]

Nope, best guess would be somewhere in ||Elpis||

[brisk quail]

My guess is one of the buildings where we ||watched an anicent use magick to make the door go up to the walkway||

Seems like an easy ||cop out to get to somewhere far away/down on the surface||

[blazing edge]

||My bet is that the starter quest is at Sharlayan and we'll get directed to Elpis||

[indigo shale]

||i highly doubt it, as the only person who would know told us he saw us there, so i think the unlock quest is gonna be directly with pre-convocation elidibus in elpis, i dont know who in sharlayan would be able to direct us there, let alone know about it||

[jolly sierra]

|| i dont think they can put the zone name in patch notes though, since it is a pretty big spoiler ||

[half phoenix]

They'll have too sooner or later

[jolly sierra]

||old sharlayan seems likely and someone will come to us and be like hello message from the aetherial sea ||

[uneven condor]

do we know where quest to start normal raids is going to begin from?

[novel furnace]

no

[jolly sierra]

||i know elidibus no longer exists but maybe someone else ||

[indigo shale]

||idk who though, only one person maybe could do it and that be hyth as the bread got passed around in a dragons eye, emet just doesnt want to, hydaelyn is dead, elidibus used up all his aether and the other sundered (if alive) probably dont know we went to elpis in the first place||

[jolly sierra]

yeah ||hyth seems the most likely. dont get me wrong i'd be glad to see him again but i also dont really want to bc i think his arc is done||

but ||i guess i wouldnt mind so much if he's there just to pass us the message before he leaves ||

[humble heron]

||inb4 he just starts working at the last stand||

[jolly sierra]

|| hyth in a waiter outfit yes fucking please ||

[indigo shale]

||idk, i just hope it makes lore sense either way||

[jolly sierra]

yeah

for sure

[indigo shale]

|| like maybe urianger or someone tells us we look tired and should have a rest, and while resting we have a dream or echo flashback remembering that elidibus told us he met us there, then we panic because we havent yet, and that we should head back to elpis and find him to not break time ||

[dim vessel]

Level 89 trial spoiler

My sister decided to continue her MSQ right before maintenance

[humble heron]

Wow thats uh

Ooof

[south flare]

When she logs back in the cutscene should resume from the beginning

Most of the time if you dc during an important cutscene it just replays it on next login

[dim vessel]

Noice, I didn’t know that.

[south flare]

I learned that the hard way

[dim vessel]

I’m gonna tell her she needs to do the fight again tho

[south flare]

She shouldn’t have to

But for funsies yeah

[sand tiger]

you better tell her she needs to do the whole quest again.

[deep marsh]

Even if she misses it she could always just watch it after in the inn cause SE is awesome and adds stuff like that

[haughty crater]

where the patch notes

[brazen trout]

not out yet

they'll announce it on lodestone as usual during maintenance

[stiff pewter]

Patch Drops in 22nd right?

[weary yoke]

6.0.1 is dropping now, as we type this

[humble heron]

Itll be available tomorrow morning, na time

[haughty crater]

im told they dont beta test for ffxiv, is that true?

[weary yoke]

there's no public test realms or betas like in other mmos

[humble heron]

There's internal testing but yeah

[haughty crater]

Very interesting, have they ever released bugged or cheesable bosses?

[humble heron]

Not really

Ff14 isnt normally buggy (though i have heard of a nasty audio bug since ew launch)

[weary yoke]

and the latent login code issue that's been present since 1.0...

[gaunt star]

Very interesting, have they ever released bugged or cheesable bosses?
@haughty crater byakko ex was cheesable on release.devs even admitted they hadn't factored in the use of tank limit break

[steady valve]

all of existence, bend to my will!

[haughty crater]

Yea I hit that bug once on launch week, sucked cause I had to relog

Not sure if its fixed yet

[humble heron]

I suspect either here or january

[haughty crater]

Thats ardy right? Why is he ||featured so prominently in EW||

[gaunt star]

Also back in are titan hard mode had an ego glitch where you could make the egi generate agro and then moved it just off the cliff and titan git bugged and couldn't attack people.its how a lot of the first people for their clears if him.it was patched very fast

[coarse steeple]

There definitely has been a few cheesable bosses, original coils of bahumut was renowned for a few, for example one mini boss was actually easier after enrage as you could out heal the damage

[steady valve]

not ardy, thats just WoL or meteor as they call him

[coarse steeple]

But ff devs are also renowned for actually play testing their own content and seem to get better at avoiding these every expansion

[hollow ice]

thats derplander the player stand in for promotional material

[haughty crater]

I always wake up to the cutscene blaring and him standing on the moon

[steady valve]

I guess some people do think posterboy is ardbert

[haughty crater]

fwiw I didnt encounter anything that felt broken mechanics wise in my entire play of EW+EX bosses

[humble heron]

I mean he is a reflection of us

[next quarry]

Funny story, ever try squadrons?

[humble heron]

I feel like confusing the two of them is intended

[haughty crater]

Isnt that the pre-trust system? I dont have them high enough level yet

[next quarry]

Squadrons had an LB called "Ungarmax" which gave big buffs, but there was a glitch to use it outside o squadrons

And people used it in Uwu

Of course they got banned

The glitch was patched as well

[sudden spruce]

Daily reminder that we still ||DONT HAVE FLOW BAND VERSION ROLL||

[gaunt star]

They claimed there was no ungarmax relates clears but I doubt that's true

[haughty crater]

Ya, same hair pattern and peach fuzz

But I guess ||his soul is inside us or whatever the fuck happened||

[steady valve]

his facial hair is more condensed at the jaw while ours is more like a shaved beared

[humble heron]

Oh hey you know what would be really interesting? Another Pulse album of EW themes

[hollow ice]

||ardbert is our counterpart on the first (like actually us but on the first so makes sense considering the wol standin looks like that||

[sudden spruce]

Ehhh pulse has been hit or miss

[steady valve]

also we're more angry

[wheat night]

Ardbery is also dead

[steady valve]

inb4 people coming in with t3ChniCallY

[humble heron]

I mean id say its fairly ambiguous if hes like still alive within our soul

[sudden spruce]

Yeah hes raving inside with fray

[wheat night]

He had zero lines of dialogue in EW

He ded

[steady valve]

so we have like a dbz abriged picollo scenario in our head

[humble heron]

I mean ||neither did nero, no?||

[steady valve]

with kami and nail

[wheat night]

We saw Nero at the end of the weapon questline though

[steady valve]

fray and ardbert are playing pingpong in our brain

[wheat night]

Ah wait, wrong Garlean

But why would Nero be dead

[humble heron]

I just mean for relevance

And he does show up in ew msq so hes not dead lol

[wheat night]

Yeah but Ardbert doesn't

He left as soon as he appeared for that fight with the SHB big bad

[humble heron]

Nah hes in us in 5.3

[steady valve]

he's stuck in queue

[hollow ice]

fray >drk
ard >war
derp in ew >pal
thancred is us confirmed >gnb

[wheat night]

Who is Fray

[humble heron]

He talks to seto for gods sake

[hollow ice]

hes the dark knight mentor

[wheat night]

Oh right

[sudden spruce]

Drk story questline

[gaunt star]

I think when ardbert fused with us warrior mains we should have unlocked dual wielding axes

[wheat night]

They're saving throwing axes for future classes

Or dual-wielding anything

[steady valve]

aren't we already chucking tomahawk city

[wheat night]

Gotta have some incentive to play dancer or ninja

[gaunt star]

We still need hammer wielding job first

[hollow ice]

gunhammer when

[steady valve]

zenos has a cartridge on his scythe I thought we were gonna see some rwby sht

[gaunt star]

But I'm guessing next job is gonna be another magic ranged.maybe a non elemental caster.

[humble heron]

Nah, gunhammer is for lame brains. Gunshield is where its at

[wheat night]

It's for Chaos

[hollow ice]

I still want a class that focuses on 1 handed blades with no off hand like spell fencer

[sand tiger]

As a RPR I'd want that scythe

[wheat night]

We should get a tank

[humble heron]

We got one in shb thou

[gaunt star]

We got 2 new healers in endwalker

[steady valve]

play PLD and glamour the shield out

[humble heron]

Id like a new limited job in 7.0 and a ff14 original job as we

[steady valve]

1 handed blade

[gaunt star]

Sage and warrior

[humble heron]

Warrior was a healer in shb too

Now it just is more efficient

[gaunt star]

They just need to up warrior DPS now so we can be like the glory days of hw warrior

[rose arch]

are the new raids dropping tomorrow?

[gaunt star]

No

Dropping latee

Later*

[rose arch]

oh really?

[humble heron]

The new raids drop after maint

[wheat night]

I mean it's 8 hour maintenance...

[humble heron]

Which ends in 7 hrs

[rose arch]

so......tomorrow right?

if im in est lol

[weary yoke]

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/news/detail/f382ab3eaff4d49aef6575847b14893e0630ce95

feel free to adjust to your timezone

[rose arch]

is 560 the ilvl requirement?

[gaunt star]

8 hours seems like a long time just to drop the raids though so I wonder what else they are doing.

[weary yoke]

it's also networking stuff they're working on, some client fixes, etc etc

[gaunt star]

They need to sort out some of these direct X bugs

Though I'm guessing that won't be till 6.1

[keen osprey]

Btw, is ||Azem's personality different from the WoL's?||
||While there have been mentions that the WoL and Azem shares the same wanderlust and desire to help people, the WoL is more silent and melancholic, while Azem is more eccentric and quirky.||
||I feel like this was mentioned before in Elpis, but idk if that's the case, or i imagined the whole thing...||

[gaunt star]

Well wol is played by us.we get a lot of quirky dialogue choices

[humble heron]

||we know from amon that shards can have different personalities from the unsundered they came from||

[keen osprey]

I don't mean player agency, i meant a certain NPC mentioning it, but i can't remember if a NPC did mention it, or i imagined the whole thing

[gaunt star]

I mean naturally the fact we are sundered would affect our personality.we would hold some of the traits but not all

[keen osprey]

I understand that, i'm just trying to remember which NPC said that (if an NPC did say that), so i can find that scene/text on a youtube video or something

[haughty crater]

dont think we know. 555 or 560 estimated

[pulsar current]

prolly 555

since thats eden 1-4 plus 130

just like the af gear

[deep marsh]

Extreme trial duty finder req is 560 so probably a good assumption it'll be that for normal raid

[haughty crater]

whos ready to go to pandaria

[granite nimbus]

The WoL is... pretty weird in more lighthearted scenes, especially in ShB and EW.

Like when they're being held at arrowpoint in ShB and go, "Uh... kupo?"

[trim kite]

||yes our personality is different because we were reborn||

[granite nimbus]

Or when they take Urianger's suggestion to use primals to restore life to the Empty and think, "Wait, how are moogles gonna help?"

Or during the NieR raid they can declare it their solemn duty to eat their own weight in carnival food.

[trim kite]

||we have the same soul as azem but that doesnt make us quite the same person, especially as we lack azem's memories||

[granite nimbus]

And randomly go, "We're DOOMED! DOOOOOOOOOOOOMED!" in the middle of a tense exchange.

[sand tiger]

so you mean: the WoL is a dense mofo.-

[trim kite]

since shb WoL has had a lot more sarcastic dialogue options

[weary yoke]

always choose sarcasm when given the option, more interesting reactions from other npcs

[trim kite]

i suspect weaving in some personality from the ||drk quests||

[granite nimbus]

"Oh yeah. The corpse room. That was a thing."

The Wandering Dramaturge also gives them an aversion to the word "Fetch", to the point that when his wife brings it up, they can say, "Don't you dare use the "F" word around me."

Though, the quest won't continue unless you pick the demeaning, "I live to serve!"

[weary yoke]

delivered with as much disdain as possible, at least

[granite nimbus]

In the Studium Deliveries, panaloaf, the successor to archon loaf, is so disgusting that the Warrior can swear a personal vendetta against that crime against cuisine.

[haughty crater]

Theres a cute one in the christmas event quest about belts

[granite nimbus]

"... It used to be belts."

Also, the reason why they help Giott build tanks, "What the world needs now is tanks, sweet tanks."

They do it because it's cool.

[haughty crater]

Anyway they need to railroad you into a specific outcome so dialogue choices are kind of just for the memes

[granite nimbus]

One of their ideas for handling furniture in the Firmament is, "Oh, I can get some of my dragon friends to do it!"

[humble heron]

I do love the option to be a total asshole

Nice touch

[granite nimbus]

When the plot isn't serious (and sometimes even when it is) they have a lot of goofy dialogue options.

[humble heron]

I like the end of stb dialogue with zenos where you can tell him you consider him a friend

[dry iron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/151558839005741056/906417510977531934/chrome_2021-11-06_13-40-36.jpg was this new Raid or new Tome gear?

[granite nimbus]

Raid gear IIRC.

The Maiming Moonward gear doesn't look like that.

[opaque hemlock]

with the new patch notes, that is confirmed raid gear

[granite nimbus]

Oh, one of my favorites from ShB was, "We could use the Crystal Tower to open a voidgate, couldn't we? Please?"

And everyone just looks at them like, "WTF?"

[dry iron]

Oh patch notes just released, thanks 🙂

[keen osprey]

White RPR gear?

So looking forward to it

[granite nimbus]

It's a nice touch.

[keen osprey]

Honestly even without any glamour hunting, RPR already looks so good in the Cryptlurker gear set

[granite nimbus]

A tad plain looking for my tastes though.

[haughty crater]

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/bba3f0b1f5c8d2708d7a126957ad76fb30c4eb71

[keen osprey]

when is 6.01 coming?

[opaque hemlock]

https://i.gyazo.com/b268c6098c33604e2c4ff3b97bb90c5a.png
Now we're talking!

[rose arch]

omfg

[keen osprey]

Lmao, but the memes though...

i'm gonna miss the grape memes

[humble heron]

Ooof, 565 ilvl requirements? Sadge

For panda normal

[keen osprey]

Ooof... this is the only new thing added to Gold Saucer?

[humble heron]

And panda comes out after currenr main

Just for right now, queueingway. They talked about more gold saucer stuff in march

I suspect the big changes will be for full patches

[haughty crater]

based change, there were 2 "beet soup" in the game, one of which was used for a job questline

[keen osprey]

I see

[mint sail]

They fixed the issue where following NPCs will start floating

[mint sail]

rip floating catboy

[keen osprey]

For the new story quest, is it considered post-EW?

[mint sail]

Isn't that the raid questline

[keen osprey]

because it's technically not 6.1?

Oh... ohhhhhh

okay, i get it now

[trail yarrow]

for the tokens, i can only greed/need one token each week. did i get that right?

[rose arch]

565?? damn guess i gotta run roulettes at 5 am

[humble heron]

One token per circle

[sand tiger]

yusss

[trail yarrow]

hmmm.,... circle? kinda confused. i heard it back in shb, it was different from the previous ones but i never got to unlocking that yet

[wheat night]

I read it as 1 token per week

[weary yoke]

"You can only receive one token per circle of Pandæmonium: Asphodelos each week. In the event you are awarded a token from the loot list, you relinquish your right to vie for all remaining tokens regardless of whether you selected Need or Greed."

each circle is one boss

[trail yarrow]

oh

[keen osprey]

Meaning 4 tokens total?

[trail yarrow]

so since raids have multiple bosses per session , ican potentially get more than one overall

[weary yoke]

so P1N through P4N will be available and you can get max 4 tokens

[wheat night]

Ah that makes the loot list make much more sense

[trail yarrow]

nice. that makes sense. thanks!

[rose arch]

any chance maintenance will end early?

[weary yoke]

nope

[keen osprey]

When is 6.01 coming again?

[wheat night]

Is the alliance raid out tomorrow then? Or just raid

[humble heron]

Just normal

[weary yoke]

the alliance raid is later

[humble heron]

Alliance in 6.1

[wheat night]

Wack

[weary yoke]

6.0.1's due at 2am pst (5:45 from now)

[keen osprey]

Oh... OHhhh... Today?

[vital timber]

Which of the role quests in EW is your fave by far?

[trail yarrow]

does the weekly cap count if you select need/greed but failed to get it?

[humble heron]

No

[mint sail]

Maint ends 6pm for me

[humble heron]

Its once you get it

[weary yoke]

that nope was for maint ending early

[trail yarrow]

whew, thanks for the clarification. thanks

[floral idol]

unless the range role quest is good, i didn't like any of the role quests personally

[wheat night]

It never does on failed rolls

[sand tiger]

idk what's my fave, but the worst was the one in ||Ishgard||

[keen osprey]

Only done the mDPS and Tank ones, but i honestly didn't get invested in either of them
ShB's role quests were more interesting

[wheat night]

You guys are doing role quests?

[weary yoke]

if you win a roll, that's it for that circle for the week. if you roll but lose, nothing changes for you. try again next attempt

[haughty crater]

When do they usually release relic weapons?

[sand tiger]

to be able to dye the 90 job gear, yes

[vital timber]

I have yet to do the ranged role quests myself. But the general gist of it is that there's an ||airborne blasphemy in the skies of Doma. No samurai or ninja can reach it. ||

[floral idol]

welp

[wheat night]

That's pretty funny

[weary yoke]

though they're not hard-locking the MSQ behind the role quests like they did in ShB, you should still do them