retired-patch-6-3-discussion

[jolly sierra]

tbh i've pretty much forgotten coil story

i should replay it

[lean ore]

|| also whats left after zodiarks death looks to be leftovers of his aether ||

or w/e that crap coming out of that place is xd

[jolly sierra]

|| i wonder if there are still some remnants of the mothercrystal or if zenos ate it all||

[gaunt star]

MINE ALL MINE

[jolly sierra]

but also ||zodiark took so many unsundered souls to summon i dont think our sundered self is gonna be able to handle it ||

[gaunt star]

^^^^^

[lean ore]

|| he said he ate whatever was left of it sooo ||

[jolly sierra]

there i've placed my finger on why

[lean ore]

i guess we will just have to...|| eat zenos ||

[jolly sierra]

yeah || why didnt he leave any for us||

||yumby mothercrystal||

wait

[half phoenix]

Nah, like Bahamut and Firebird ||Zodiark|| would just be the core essence of the primal

[lean ore]

also Zenos || using primal abilities outside of Shinryus was /sweat ||

[jolly sierra]

did ||zenos just shove rocks in his mouth||

[lean ore]

probably ||drained enough aether to transform and then just ATE it ||

[gaunt star]

||Well he facetanked the apocalypse twice and was barely harmed so we haven't seen the last of him||

[jolly sierra]

oh yeah that makes more sense

i like the image of ||him just shoving rocks into his mouth while fourchenault looks on absolutely disgusted||

[lean ore]

|| reaper quest line suggests that if the host suffers enough damage they can consume their souls and take over their bodies, probably what happens to Zenos tbh ||

[gaunt star]

Doubtful

[lean ore]

well Yoshida told us to pay attention to his Avatar, but besides its looks it did not do anything xD

[jolly sierra]

look after what he did i just want || him to come back ||

[humble heron]

Thats not gonna happen

[indigo shale]

||imagine if patch 6.1 starts with a cutscene of his avatar taking his body over, would be wild ||

[lean ore]

|| ngl i felt bad we left him there ||

[gaunt star]

Theres no way we aren't seeing him again

Hes that villian the writers just refuse to let go

And he's hot

!faq juicy

[lusty shadow]

Juicy

[jolly sierra]

||Meanwhile in Ultima Thule...||

[indigo shale]

||well its not like we could have just took him with us as we were lying on our death bed, and also that the scions on the ragnarok most likely didnt know he was even there as well||

[jolly sierra]

that'd be so hype

[half phoenix]

No. ||Leave him dead and move the hell on.||

[lean ore]

|| i still think Zenos summoned the teleporter xD||

[gaunt star]

They wont

[lean ore]

No

[gaunt star]

Im sure he did tho

[jolly sierra]

|| ZENOS TRUST ZENOS TRUST ZENOS TRUST||

[lean ore]

|| speaking of trusts the lvl 87 trusts shook me xD ||

[jolly sierra]

omg i love that theory

[half phoenix]

He didn’t even know they existed

[lean ore]

he didnt know what existed?

[gaunt star]

Bruv

I was mind b l o w n

[humble heron]

||he could have wished to save his friend and the power of dynamis would have carried the rest||

[lean ore]

yeah lol and reading the texts in the dungeon n shit it was awesome

[jolly sierra]

he didnt have to. he just needed a strong enough feeling of ||get my friend home safe|| which i can honestly see him do

[lean ore]

yeah basically this

[jolly sierra]

^^^^^^

[gaunt star]

||and emet is a freaking DRK lmao||

[lean ore]

also || odds are Krile and the others informed him too /shrug ||

[half phoenix]

||The teleporter devices. He showed up long after Moenbryda’s parents gave them to us.||

[lean ore]

|| he still went to sharlayan so they could have told him xD ||

[jolly sierra]

||the original shadowbringer ||

[lean ore]

|| his abilities do say "True Reprisal" n such xD||

[jolly sierra]

WAIT

|| one brings shadow, one brings light||

[gaunt star]

[jolly sierra]

[lean ore]

lmao

[half phoenix]

||I’m still in the boat that it was Alisaie.||

[gaunt star]

Lel

[lean ore]

|| the way Urianger worded it, likely none of the scions ||

[gaunt star]

Nope. Talk to urianger after and he spells it out

It was ya boi JUICY

[jolly sierra]

|| but if we're going with the dynamis theory then its also entirely possible the scions used dynamis to create a teleporter||

[gaunt star]

True

[jolly sierra]

|| i am now choosing to believe that it was everyone ||

[half phoenix]

Nah, ||Alisaie would have needed our body there to “kills us again” if we died, totally was her||

[lean ore]

birds

[half phoenix]

||Also do any of them mention if there was a NINTH teleporter in the set after the Zenos fight? Only 8 existed.||

[gaunt star]

There wasn't

[lean ore]

||we threw ours away when we saved them ||

so there wasnt

[glad marsh]

what would you guys rate endwalker? scale from 1-5. 1 - bad, 5 - best

[lean ore]

10

[jolly sierra]

||wait where did u get the meteion minion||

[jolly sierra]

10

[gaunt star]

11 because ||Venat||

[lean ore]

|| Has a small chance to drop from Dead Ends dungeon ||

[jolly sierra]

😮

fuck ok time to farm

[lean ore]

i farmed it with Trusts, cause my luck is terrible

[jolly sierra]

im

[lean ore]

plus 80 tomes per run its not bad at all

[gaunt star]

Inb4 you roll a 2

[jolly sierra]

doesnt it take like 30 mins per run

[lean ore]

yeah

[jolly sierra]

[lean ore]

look when u want something as rare as that shit u dont go with others

[jolly sierra]

fair

v fair

[lean ore]

Also trusts are better than players atm since the content is still new

[gaunt star]

Lies

[lean ore]

i did 1 queued run and we wiped twice on the first boss

[gaunt star]

Heresy

[half phoenix]

||Yes, we threw ours away, which teleported back to the ship with the rest as designed, meaning that 1 of the 8 had to physically leave the ship for us to get teleported back.||

[jolly sierra]

gotta get that IMMERSION too

[lean ore]

what xd

[lean ore]

its as rare as the mount in Ala Mhigo dungeon

[jolly sierra]

|| false. a ninth teleporter couldve been created from dynamis||

[gaunt star]

Ahh yes, I do love Crystal.

[red talon]

||Which quest had the cutscene where someone knocks, you say a name and that person enters your room? I want to rewatch it in the unending journey||

[lean ore]

ofc crystal would have a kink for that

[jolly sierra]

well i got that on like my 3rd run so

[half phoenix]

||No one mentions there being a ninth though||

[jolly sierra]

maybe spoiler that boss

[gaunt star]

There isnt

[humble heron]

Iirc its Returning Home

[lean ore]

and i got the bird on my 2nd trust run but ive seen others on forums in like 80 runs in xd

[gaunt star]

Its ||dynamis||

[humble heron]

I think Returning Home

[jolly sierra]

||and urianger says that none of the scions dropped the teleporter ||

[gaunt star]

RIDING HOOOOOOOOOOMEEEE

[half phoenix]

At least it’s not marketable or tradeable, meaning sooner or later you just get yours

[gaunt star]

https://tenor.com/view/the-universe-tim-and-eric-mind-blown-mind-blown-meme-mind-explosion-mind-explosion-meme-gif-18002878

[humble heron]

Spoiler me

[lean ore]

ye xd

[jolly sierra]

lmao my bad

[lean ore]

tho the bird is my fav minion in the game atm xd

[gaunt star]

[lean ore]

specially when u /pet it

[gaunt star]

[jolly sierra]

look in my defense

its 5am

🙂

sorry about that

[gaunt star]

Wind up herois is best minion

[humble heron]

Then go to bed

Or wake up

[jolly sierra]

um,,, no???

[gaunt star]

Because its HER

[lean ore]

herois is second best

[gaunt star]

And she's best girl in the expac

Fite me

[lean ore]

man theres so much greek in this expac it feels like home :v

ancient greek paid off

[gaunt star]

I got both Exs on farm in 2 days, wtf do I do now

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[humble heron]

I dunno, satho

Its all greek to me

[lean ore]

im greek so 😔

[half phoenix]

Personally I feel like dungeon minions should be guaranteed drops

Especially if they can’t be traded

[lean ore]

nah they shouldnt

[gaunt star]

Hows the church of Gaia nowadays

[half phoenix]

Fading into obsurity

[lean ore]

lol

[gaunt star]

I just want her glam

Gib

[half phoenix]

The further we get from ShB the further they’ll have reason to even mention she exists

[jolly sierra]

isnt it edenmete/morn gear

[gaunt star]

They didn't mention her once in EW

[jolly sierra]

maybe im stupid

[jolly sierra]

YEAH IM SAD ||THEY MENTIONED THE OMEGA RAIDS|| BUT NOT HER

[gaunt star]

I was a bit surprised

Because she's kinda major considering her lore

[half phoenix]

Not even with the flag of completing E12N. Just the festival the kids in the Crystarium were setting up, including Ryne, already happened

[gaunt star]

B e t r a y a l

Ryne only got one mention too and that was just

[half phoenix]

But yea, Eden isn’t all that important honestly

[gaunt star]

Uuhhhhhb

Eden is M A S S I V E

For SHB

[half phoenix]

No. It’s not

[humble heron]

Its massive to the first only

Not the source

[gaunt star]

[trail yarrow]

Yeah, tbf. The source don't really care about the first apart from a few select people :3

[lean ore]

the team doesnt mind going back to the first for gaia and ryne

[half phoenix]

Finishing Eden is like starting to revert desertification. It’s going to take decades or centuries to ACTUALLY see the effects of it.

[lean ore]

but i doubt it would be MSQ related if they did

[trail yarrow]

For one, nobody cares about Ryne except for uhhh the scions

[gaunt star]

Dadcred

[lean ore]

i could probably see them exploring yshtola trying to cross rifts at some point xd

[gaunt star]

And Dadriangier

And WoL awkwardly doing squats in the corner

[half phoenix]

Odds are Y’shtola would be pulled from that research in 7.0

[trail yarrow]

Definitely

[gaunt star]

Earliest we will go to another shards is 8.0

I will die on this hill

Inb4 restoration of the 13th

[lean ore]

the ShB role quests seem to imply a restoration n such

[jolly sierra]

||unukalhai could ask for our help in 7.0 raid series||

[trail yarrow]

I kinda wonder what 7.0 would be about. Maybe using ship to explore the universe?

[humble heron]

They wouldnt have talked about the 13th as much as they did in role quests if they were just going to leave it alone forwver imho, but that might be 8.0

[lean ore]

nahhh

|| Emet probably told us where we going next ||

the question is what we will start with

[gaunt star]

I can see that tbh. The 13th is pretty much the only massively dangerous place left that we know of

[trail yarrow]

That's true. He did say quite a lot of stuff

[gaunt star]

It needs to be addressed eventually

[half phoenix]

We’re not restoring the thirteenth

[jolly sierra]

ok debbie downer

[half phoenix]

We missed the chance on that

[lean ore]

ok why arent we party pooper

[gaunt star]

The north and meracydia we can start in the patches

[jolly sierra]

🤝

[gaunt star]

They are definitely next .0

Along with new world

[lean ore]

Riol also said hes going to meracydia afaik or i could be misremembering xd

[gaunt star]

Emet also mentioned the other shards so they ARE on the table

[lean ore]

yeppp

[half phoenix]

Over activity of aether in the Void, stagnacy of aether in the First and we absorbed most of it, we should have chucked the axe of light into the void to potentially fix it.

And with no excess light aether to calm down the over activity, how are we going to fix the void?

[humble heron]

I mean we could just collect a bunch of aether in the source

Im sure between sharlayan and the ||loporitts|| they could make something to help

[indigo shale]

||sharlayan made not 1 but 2 entrances to the aetherial sea, im sure they can come up with something||

[lean ore]

why hide loporitts they are the announced beast tribe anyway xd

[humble heron]

Oh fair

Also to say nothing of the elephant people

[lean ore]

matanga

[humble heron]

They are esteemed alchemists in their own right

[half phoenix]

Unless Sharlayan has some kind of aether refinery, I doubt they’d be able to do anything

[jolly sierra]

wonder how they'll progress the ||cafe||

[lean ore]

we dont know that :v

[gaunt star]

They aren't treated like a beast tribe at all

[humble heron]

I suspect they can build one

[lean ore]

i imagine || Omicrons || being the 6.x beast tribes

[jolly sierra]

yeah but it'd suck to wait until 6.2 for that when the quest is alrd out

[gaunt star]

Will it make chi spawn faster?

[lean ore]

we get matanga and loporrits in 6.1? 🤔

[indigo shale]

||yeah the fact the omicrons has still quite a few stuff revolving around them an d progressing story, makes them a likely candidate for a 3rd beast tribe||

[lean ore]

in 15 minites

[jolly sierra]

i also wanna see a continuation of the ||smileton|| story

||SMILETON HARD PLS||

love that dungeon

[gaunt star]

I love that they showed Chi in the trailer like hed be a major part of EW

Instead, he is the biggest salt generator this patch

[lean ore]

smileton housing poggers

[indigo shale]

they always do that with world bosses

[gaunt star]

[indigo shale]

the tempest world boss was shown in ShB launch trailer for example, though it werent important

[gaunt star]

Never saw it

[lean ore]

the tempest world boss was in the benchmark

and like more than 1 i think? xd

[indigo shale]

yeah thats what i mean, my bad benchmark not launch trailer

[jolly sierra]

did they show formidable in the shb trailer

[gaunt star]

No,

Just Forgiven Hypocrisy

[indigo shale]

Archaeotania im pretty sure was in the ShB benchmark

[lean ore]

yeah arcaeo was

[half phoenix]

Eh, in a month or so the fate will start failing at late hours because the people that only care about the mount will stop going to it

[indigo shale]

and i think they did the same with HW and SB benchmarks having the world boss in them

also if people think|| chi ||is bad Archaeotania had a 6 chain fate that needed to be completed and spawns in a 32 hour window

[lean ore]

Hi

[humble heron]

Oh no ur trapped

[lean ore]

oh noes

[trail yarrow]

Oh man, that reminds me of P4G

[humble heron]

It seems un-bear-able

[loud violet]

i win

[humble heron]

Damn

[lean ore]

SMN/SCH AFs are so good its a crime :v

[dusky shoal]

[gaunt star]

[waxen karma]

would we even have "beast tribes" anymore anyway? Due to events in ShB, we have more or less unified the tribes and so to call them beasts seems to be wrong now so where does that leave us for EW? Surely, if such a type of quest were to be implemented, it would not be under the moniker of "beast tribe" quests

[indigo shale]

well best tribe now is just something they use gameplay wise to group dailies, but it doesnt mean anything classed under it is a beast tribe lore wise

[gaunt star]

Exactly, 12/10

[waxen karma]

well, in a lore sense, we did used to call them beast tribes in the story in ARR and elsewhere I am pretty sure, and most of these stories revolved around the tempered faction of the tribe vs the untempered side. ShB didn't exactly have that structure though since there was no tempering element, which allowed greater freedom to let the devs do whatever they wanted. Surely now with the tribes unified and tempering solved, there will be a different angle to the narrative these new tribe quests would follow

I wonder then that antagonist guy who is in the allied quest for ARR, HW & SB, I wonder how they would use him now since the "traditional" role of tribe narratives are solved and EW would see something unique like ShB did

maybe all the tribes come together to beat the guy down

from all Source expansions I mean

a... "super allied quest" to be silly, requiring all ARR-EW tribes with full rep

that would be fun I think

[dusk slate]

i can't get over how terrible fandaniel's english dub is

[late aurora]

Boo

[marsh osprey]

hmmmh

appealing login

[waxen karma]

https://tenor.com/view/fandaniel-ffxiv-gif-23267691

he... surprisingly has a gif in the gif browser

[indigo shale]

wdym terrible dub of his voice,

surprisingly this is one of the few of anything where id say the japanese dub comes no where near as close to the quality of the english dub, (for overall aswell, not just fandaniel, the english dub exceeds the japanese dub in every single instance)

[late aurora]

||”Oh my! Daddy is pleased his grumpy little boy has finally found his playmate”||

[swift kraken]

terrible? he had the perfect little shit voice

i want to punch him in the face in every cutscene, 10/10

[urban phoenix]

BIRB!

man i was so happy ||when that shitter died. he really brought out the worst in me as soon he appeared||

btw when do we get the pvp rework again? 6.1 right?

[blazing edge]

is this the power of Crystal

[brisk quail]

This is why hydalen never wanted to come meet us

[thorny flax]

6.1 and I'm honestly very excited. I really enjoy pvp currently

turns out that when you have more people to play with you play it more often and realize how fun it can be

[lean ore]

you people play with others? teach me

[marsh osprey]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEBvBOn9KZ8

this is good content

[dusk slate]

the va tried way too hard to sound "evil" and the delivery was awful. made me want to mute voices or go jp dub

and the fact they used the same voice actors for all the side npcs also kind of ruined it for me

[marsh osprey]

fandaniel vo is pretty decent

not as good as emet or elidibus though

[lean ore]

elidibus va is solid in both languages

[dusk slate]

here's a spoiler example: ||adamantite delivery oh hey it's soroban. nice. cid appears oh hey it sounds exactly like soroban. i hate it.||

[marsh osprey]

idk elidibus in eng is just sss tier

no other language can compare

[gaunt star]

Which shader btw

[marsh osprey]

scholar drip is nice this expack

[indigo shale]

well soroban and cid have completely different VA's

[lean ore]

FullTime Senpai Chesire Night

[obsidian smelt]

||is pandaemonium launching tomorrow?||

[marsh osprey]

no

[dusk slate]

normal mode on tuesday. savage on jan. 4

[marsh osprey]

over 24 hours until pandaemonium

just remember getting the pandaemonium accessories is a good idea

[lean ore]

December 21: Patch 6.01/normal difficulty Pandaemonium raid
Around December 31 – January 18: Heavensturn event
January 4: Patch 6.05/savage difficulty Pandaemonium raid/new Allagan tomestones and gear

[marsh osprey]

as the current ones are pretty shit

[lean ore]

what ilvl are the pandae accs gonna be 380 too? 🤔

[marsh osprey]

also you save on crafted gear for main class

they are 580

[lean ore]

ah same as the ex 😔

[marsh osprey]

yeah

just ex has shit stats

across all jobs

mindblowing

[indigo shale]

i think you are the first person to have said that this expansion

[marsh osprey]

did you see healer accessories

[indigo shale]

i havent heard anyone complain about the accessories before

[gaunt star]

How bad are they?

Tenacity on healer acc bad?

[dusk slate]

each piece has sps or piety on it for accessories

[marsh osprey]

they love det and sks/sps

its infuriating

[next quarry]

det is better than it was before so its more fine

[marsh osprey]

still bad

[next quarry]

drg on balance

[dusk slate]

isn't dhit better at expansion release?

[lean ore]

i thought crit is weaker early in xpacs 🤔

[marsh osprey]

only aiming accessories get crit direct hit on ONE ex accessorie

problem is that crit det accessories are rare too

healers dont even get one

[next quarry]

slaying has 2 crit det

[chilly bluff]

I can live with almost anything they throw at us as long as we don’t see ten/sks ever again

[marsh osprey]

slaying also has direct hit sks

[lean ore]

we hear you, they are coming next year from savage

[next quarry]

just kill me

[marsh osprey]

lmao

[marsh osprey]

haha gcd go brrrr

[next quarry]

maiming pants

[marsh osprey]

LMAO

[next quarry]

boots I mean but

[marsh osprey]

oh wait

[next quarry]

yeah

[marsh osprey]

bracelet too

[next quarry]

slaying bracelet is crit det

EX1 bracelet

[marsh osprey]

wut

what

this is crit sks

[dusk slate]

https://tenor.com/view/korone-detective-investigation-magnifying-glass-magnifier-gif-22139952

[marsh osprey]

lol

[next quarry]

what

weird

[marsh osprey]

nice mistake on consolegameswiki

[chilly bluff]

Crit det is nice

Crit dh would be better

[marsh osprey]

but still they put so many shit stats on the accessories

its unreal

only aiming gets the crit dh

[next quarry]

my stats as DRG with BiS

[marsh osprey]

on one piece

[next quarry]

Det ahoy

[chilly bluff]

As long as it’s not the dreaded det sks

[next quarry]

almost everything has det with BiS

[marsh osprey]

healer stats are depressing

my sage is just begging for crit

for phlegma

[lean ore]

lol

moon looks so close lol

[marsh osprey]

Also i cant wait for ast buffs

They gonna be insane

[next quarry]

leveling is a pain but feels more fun

[marsh osprey]

Maybe just gear adjustment will help ast some

But i cant see it being that good

[chilly bluff]

Pally looking kind of dire right now. Sure they have pretty good self sustain but that damage, or rather its absence, is hard to ignore.

[marsh osprey]

I can die twice or thrice on sage and still outdps the ast

Its ridiculous

[chilly bluff]

I mean there is always at least one job that falls by the wayside with each expansion launch. Wasn’t really expecting it to be AST and PLD however.

[marsh osprey]

Well there will be buffs on jan 4

As the latest date

[lean ore]

broil doing 295 potency of dmg cause 300 is too much

[urban phoenix]

well ast is a pure healer

your job is to heal away the dmg that cant be shielded.

i dont think making the pure healers having to focus more on healing is a bad thing per se. you shine in raw healing output, the shielders in utility and the ability to deal dmg.

also so far i heard the "meta" is sage/sch anyway. doesnt mean whm and ast are useless

[gaunt star]

Seeing a sage solo take a Akh Morn stack is amazing

[chilly bluff]

I am aware that these numbers are too early to indicate anything but this does look… less than favorable for AST. Here is an rDPS chart.

[cinder spindle]

||man i really hate trial ex 1||

[hybrid cedar]

Krasis + physis 2 + swift cast + protraction + fey illumination + recitation + adloquim + deployment tactic

[hybrid cedar]

^

[fringe grotto]

|| AND I BEAT HIS FUCKING ASS||

[hybrid cedar]

Lol ya playing as a caster feels weird at this part

I was like, I shoulda play a monk for this part

[fringe grotto]

It was insane playing as a gunbreaker

[lean ore]

i did it as blm and i was like "monk who?"

[vague forum]

Did it as drg

Felt a bit weird getting hands on

[steep snow]

Can you purchase endwalker soundtrack?

[late aurora]

There’ll eventually be official ost drops

Be it an album or on Spotify

[trail yarrow]

Seeing|| Zenos|| deal zero damage on my sage is so amusing

[red talon]

Does the song that plays ||when you fight Zenos|| already have a name?

[viscid monolith]

It's whatever song plays during the cinematic trailer

[vital timber]

What is the|| Endsinger's|| favorite Elder Scrolls game?
Answer: ||Oblivion||

[dusky shoal]

k so

i'm not gay but

[fringe grotto]

|| This entelechy right here, officer ||

[minor wren]

I think so

Oh

Found it

|| it’s called Footfalls.||

[humble heron]

I have it on vinyl

Feel free to boo me

[minor wren]

[humble heron]

For being a heckin nerd

[gaunt star]

Allow me to summarize EW MSQ in one single 12 second video

[jade relic]

|| The area on the map where the Rising Stones is located is called Footfalls. Coincidence? Maybe. ||

[minor wren]

[gaunt star]

Seeing a SGE take WHAT

[gleaming bough]

I love how they turn hydealyn from a simple plot device into something awesome and sympathetic

In just one expac

[gaunt star]

M o m m y

[robust atlas]

I did the meme, friends

[gaunt star]

Disgusting.

Post more

[humble heron]

Bnnnnuy

[keen osprey]

So... like...
||If Venat could place a tracker on Meteion, couldn't she have shot her down instead or something?||
||When we summon Hythlodaeus and Emet-Selch before our confrontation with Meteion, why are they both the same size as us instead of their Amarotinian size?||

[humble heron]

1. ||machinist wasnt in the game until heavensward, and elpis takes place before heavensward kek but i think venat is more used to using her light weapons||
2. ||i assume the boys™️ were just being nice and chose to come in that form||

[mental tangle]

A big mack pleas wt xtra dip

[jade relic]

|| because that was only one meteion, killing that one would have made no difference - and then we would have no way to track the rest of them. ||

[waxen karma]

show me the BLU damage

[inner ice]

he is the officer

[viral dagger]

me after fighting ||endsinger||

https://tenor.com/view/iron-man-avengers-infinity-war-tony-stark-robert-downey-jr-gif-17591347

[supple saffron]

When Big Fat Tacos hits

[main umbra]

I love how i learned it is beat Heart of Sabik

not big fat tacos

[ivory nest]

[gritty widget]

Hey, since the rework of the xp, what's the highest way to level up blue mage plz ? 😮

[pulsar current]

Same as before

[gritty widget]

Hmmm

Might refreshing my memory then ?

[pulsar current]

Tag lvl 70 mobs, have someone else kill them

[gritty widget]

So like

[jade relic]

dont be in a party

[gritty widget]

Ooooh

Ok ok

Ty

[jade relic]

np

[gritty widget]

I'm actually trying but it's not working

I might do something wrong but

We're not in a party

[keen osprey]

The problem is that... i seriously can't tell that's what is sung

Like what part of that phrase is supposed to sound like Taco?

[gaunt star]

"Beat the heart of sabik"

"Big stuffed tacos and beef"

https://tenor.com/view/cat-annoyed-annoyed-face-upset-look-at-us-gif-21260676

[earnest sedge]

Beans and tacos and beans and tacos and beans and tacos and beeeeaaaans

Guitar riffs

[supple saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-hello-elmo-rise-elmo-hell-gif-9112913

[gaunt star]

Sighhhhhhh, cursed queues

[ivory nest]

Is urianger supposed to be autistic?

[glad marsh]

i got in and accidently logged out

waited like 5 hours

[half phoenix]

Okay, is it just me or does the new Acceleration on RDM need to be reverted back to the 5.55 version?

[marsh osprey]

!action acceleration

[lusty shadow]

**Acceleration** : lvl 50 RDM (55.0 second cooldown)(Instant cast time)

Ensures the next Verthunder III, Veraero III , or Impact can be cast immediately.
Duration: 20s
Additional Effect: Increases the potency of Impact by 50
Additional Effect: Ensures Verthunder III and Veraero III trigger Verfire Ready or Verstone Ready respectively
Maximum Charges: 2

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[marsh osprey]

Why revert

[half phoenix]

It doesn't work with the main mechanic of RDM, dualcast

[next quarry]

Verthunder 3

Am I missing something

Is that a new spell

!action verthunder iii

[mint sail]

!action Verthunder III

[lusty shadow]

**Verthunder III** : lvl 82 RDM (300 MP) (2.5 second cooldown)(5.0 second base cast time)

Deals lightning damage with a potency of 380.
Additional Effect: Increases Black Mana by 6
Additional Effect: 50% chance of becoming Verfire Ready
Duration: 30s

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**Verthunder III** : lvl 82 RDM (300 MP) (2.5 second cooldown)(5.0 second base cast time)

Deals lightning damage with a potency of 380.
Additional Effect: Increases Black Mana by 6
Additional Effect: 50% chance of becoming Verfire Ready
Duration: 30s

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[mint sail]

oops

[next quarry]

Whoa

[mint sail]

Anyway it seems like a straight upgrade to default Verthunder

[next quarry]

So acceleration forces you to cast verthunder/aero

[marsh osprey]

Feel the thunder

[mint sail]

so I'm assuming you accel, cast verthunder/aero then dualcast the other

[next quarry]

But wait does that mean you can't dualcast verthunder 3 without acceleration

[mint sail]

If verthunder 3 just replaces verthunder 1, it should work the same way

So instead of hardcasting verthunder/aero pre-pull you pop accel and straight-up cast it I guess

[marsh osprey]

No you dualcast lets say verthunder and then accelerate to cast veraero after

[next quarry]

ensures the next verthunder 3/veraero 3 can be cast immediately

Ah well, I'll try it out when I level rdm

[marsh osprey]

Aka now you have 3 instant casts in a row

[next quarry]

wtf

[half phoenix]

Nope

[marsh osprey]

On demand mobility

[half phoenix]

Acceleration cast spells DON'T proc Dualcast

[marsh osprey]

I meant acceleration

Just tripplecast with extra steps

But now you have some instant on demand mobility

Instead of the crippling turret that rdm used to be

[half phoenix]

How??

[marsh osprey]

Double instantcast

[half phoenix]

How??????

[marsh osprey]

Not cast dualcast

That shit is slow

[half phoenix]

You can't get 2 instant casts in row!

[marsh osprey]

You have to hardcast to get a dualcast

Yes you can now

[half phoenix]

How????

[marsh osprey]

Have dualcast cast verthunder weave acceleration instant veraero

Boom

[half phoenix]

that's not how that works

[marsh osprey]

Rdm can move now

Yes thats how it works

[half phoenix]

How then?

you said 3 instant casts

[mint sail]

dood was saying that an accel'd verthunder/aero doesn't activate dualcast

[marsh osprey]

Because you can use acceleration twice

It has 2 charges

[half phoenix]

Then type out the sequence

[marsh osprey]

Huh

Hard jolt, verthunder accelerate veraero accelerate verthunder

Easy as that

Procs dont have to be used immediately

[mint sail]

The jolt can be replaced with veraero if pre-pull I'm guessing

As usual

[half phoenix]

Then you're immediately hardcasting something else

[marsh osprey]

!action embolden

[half phoenix]

Acceleration before was 3 charges of back to back fire/stone procs

[lusty shadow]

**Embolden** : lvl 58 RDM (120.0 second cooldown)(Instant cast time)

Increases own magic damage dealt by 5% and damage dealt by nearby party members by 5%.
Duration: 20s

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[marsh osprey]

Ah nice

They changed it

Probably want to have dem accelerations under embolden window though

[half phoenix]

Now Acceleration is 1 fire/stone proc, after an awkward instant cast, with a completely random "increased impact damage" component

[marsh osprey]

And it makes next cast instant so you can use it to zoom around like blm on tripplecast

Or use it as a swiftcast

[half phoenix]

No, it doesn't

IT DOESN'T PROC DUALCAST

[marsh osprey]

It makes next cast instant

[half phoenix]

It's effectively a damageless Jolt cast

[half phoenix]

no images

[marsh osprey]

Literally swiftcast

In comparison old acceleration was kinda meh, just free procs

No instant casts

[half phoenix]

what about the random impact buff?

[marsh osprey]

What about it?

Also

!action resolution

[lusty shadow]

**Resolution** : lvl 90 RDM (400 MP) (2.5 second cooldown)(Instant cast time)

Deals unaspected damage to all enemies in a straight line before you with a potency of 750 for the first enemy, and 60% less for all remaining enemies.
Combo Action: Scorch
Additional Effect: Increases both Black Mana and White Mana by 4
Scorch is changed to Resolution upon landing Scorch as a combo action.

※This action cannot be assigned to a hotbar.

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[marsh osprey]

Big numbaaaas

I wonder why it is aoe though

[weary rampart]

i use acceleration as opener and while dodging mechanic

[half phoenix]

basically every level 90 skill is an AoE

[mint sail]

aoes are more fancy-looking

[fluid basalt]

feels bad being synced down without the full AOE rotation

[jolly sierra]

they might get a single target version in 7.0. thats how it was w hissatsu: guren

[mint sail]

six-sided star

[jolly sierra]

but at the same time it seems like their new design w red mage is making the big fancy moves also aoe which

im all for honestly

[mint sail]

What's WAR's lv90 skill tho

[marsh osprey]

!action primal rend

[lusty shadow]

**Primal Rend** : lvl 90 WAR (2.5 second cooldown)(Instant cast time)

Delivers a critical direct hit to target and all enemies nearby it with a potency of 700 for the first enemy, and 70% less for all remaining enemies.
Stacks of Inner Release are not consumed upon execution.
Can only be executed while under the effect of Primal Rend Ready, granted by Inner Release.
Cannot be executed while bound.

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[weary rampart]

the new barrier and the changes to addle make rdm a good class to have in pt

[marsh osprey]

Its a utility monster now

[fluid basalt]

still not highest personal DPS

[marsh osprey]

Who cares when you can play it in prog

Though summoner is weird now

Literally physical ranged

But with magic damage

[fluid basalt]

physical ranged? whut

[jolly sierra]

smn has like 10 seconds? of actual cast time

1.5s from ruin 3, 5.6s from ruby rites, 4s from slipstream

[marsh osprey]

Everything else is instant

[fluid basalt]

hmmm maybe I should try SMN more. i really enjoyed Lightspeed on AST

[jolly sierra]

11.1s every minute

[marsh osprey]

Basically permanent lightspeed

[jolly sierra]

lower with more sps ofc

[fluid basalt]

damn

i haven't really SMN since after HW. Phoenix made the rotation too long

[jolly sierra]

its really easy to get into now imo

[gleaming bough]

Hmmm did anyone found any viera and loporite joke?

[jolly sierra]

and thats what ive heard other people say as well but i have been a smn main since 5.3

[half phoenix]

Confiteor combo-AoE. Primal Rend-AoE. Shadowbringer-AoE. Double Down-AoE. Liturgy of the Bell-AoE. Expedient-AoE. Microcosmos-AoE. Pneuma-AoE. Phantom Rush-AoE. Wyrmwind Thrust-AoE. Forked Raiju/Fleeting Raiju-Single Target. Ogi Namikiri/Kaeshi: Namikiri-AoE. Communio-AoE. Radiant Finale-AoE. Chain Saw-AoE. Starfall Dance-AoE. Paradox-Single Target. Summon 2s-AoE. Resolution-AoE

[jolly sierra]

cuz big flashy aoe skills are fuckin cool next question

but like normally they also have the highest single target potency as well

[gleaming bough]

Best big flashy aoe is either pld or rpr

[marsh osprey]

Rdm aoe is just flavour sadly

Never get to use it on a big pack of mobs

[gleaming bough]

Communio is just so good

[marsh osprey]

I made a appointment on tuesday

Fuck

[weary rampart]

!action feint

[lusty shadow]

**Feint** : lvl 22 PGL LNC ROG MNK DRG NIN SAM RPR (90.0 second cooldown)(Instant cast time)

Lowers target's physical damage dealt by 10% and magic damage dealt by 5%.
Duration: 10s

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[weary rampart]

best skill for melee ,pls use

👍

[marsh osprey]

You can stack it with addle

[jolly sierra]

cant believe feint finally has a use in uwu

blessed timeline

[marsh osprey]

What the fuck are they gonna do with savage raidwides

[jolly sierra]

ultima phase i mean

[marsh osprey]

When we have so much migation

[jolly sierra]

please make damage hurt

[half phoenix]

!action addle

[lusty shadow]

**Addle** : lvl 8 THM ACN BLM SMN RDM BLU (90.0 second cooldown)(Instant cast time)

Lowers target's physical damage dealt by 5% and magic damage dealt by 10%.
Duration: 10s

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[jolly sierra]

i want to fear for my life with every raidwide

[marsh osprey]

Will every raidwide just straight up murder the entire party?

[jolly sierra]

i mean theyve done that with a couple final floor raidwides

[gleaming bough]

!action communio

[lusty shadow]

**Communio** : lvl 90 RPR (2.5 second cooldown)(1.3 second base cast time)

Deals unaspected damage to target and all enemies nearby it with a potency of 1,000 for the first enemy, and 60% less for all remaining enemies.
Enshrouded effect expires upon execution.
Requires at least one stack of Lemure Shroud to execute.

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[marsh osprey]

Imagine pf

With shitters

[jolly sierra]

i will not

[marsh osprey]

That dont even know what addle is

Probably dont have it on their hotbar

[gleaming bough]

Only pld have better looking aoe than rpr i think

[marsh osprey]

What about sage lazorrrrrs

[weary rampart]

i have addle in my hotbar since 2.0

[marsh osprey]

Pf raiding is gonna be a nightmare

[jolly sierra]

addle was only added to the game in 4.0

do u mean virus

[weary rampart]

really ?

[jolly sierra]

yeah

virus died as a cross class skill for it

used to be from arcanist

[marsh osprey]

Sommer drank too much again

[gleaming bough]

But man arcanist and its job skill name is dark

Broil

What? Am i cooking my enemy?

[marsh osprey]

Yesyes, indeed

They shall fear your culinary skills

[gleaming bough]

Anyway

Reaper is fun

Such satisfaction, definitely my intention

When you get triple enshrouded

[half phoenix]

Do we know where the Pandaemonium quests will start?

I haven't seen any prelim notes up for 6.01

[jolly sierra]

gonna take a wild guess and say probably ||elpis||

crazy theory i know

[weary rampart]

Tonberry server Instance 3 possible ||Chi|| FATE spawning soon

tonberry when we are bored

[tulip geyser]

I like that the ||Chi waiting room|| strats are getting more and more elaborate

[marsh osprey]

What you get from chi

Btw

[weary rampart]

1 lvl checker mount

and the thavnair gives u elephant costume

X mark the spot

[somber storm]

waiting for chi is pain

[jolly sierra]

do you need to kill chi twice for the mount

or just once

[rustic halo]

MSQ L83, zone 3

||fuck. this. duty.||

[mint sail]

twice I think, to get enough of the things

[tulip geyser]

||I thought it was kinda neat to be reminded what its like to not be the main character in a game||

[jolly sierra]

maybe ill just wait until 6.5 for mogtomes

[delicate goblet]

This is my first expansion launch that I’ve been a part of, are there relic weapon/raid quests in 6.0? Or will those come with a later patch?

[jolly sierra]

no relic weapons yet, part 1 of the 8 man raids is coming on tuesday after maint

part 1 of 24 man raid comes in 6.1, so 3-4 months from now

[delicate goblet]

Awesome, thanks for the info!

[weary rampart]

trying new method now

[safe grotto]

i apologize sir... but its still not cooler or feel more gooder
than dropping n' raining swords on MFkers

[weary rampart]

so thats how the 'sword' got lost during ur lvl 50 pld job quest

[rustic halo]

EW MSQ L83, zone 3 - now i guess i know ||how thancred felt in prae||

[mint sail]

hm, question about faloop

Does it know if the FATE was completed

says this about Gungnir

[dim sigil]

That name should be illegal

[inner halo]

Gami is right

[mint sail]

oh wait the skull and crossbones means the FATE got completed

is that what it means

[fluid basalt]

it was cool having to do it in the story... but i'm not looking forward to new game+ tsk

[rustic halo]

it was horrible for me

and i look forward to never doing that ever, ever again

[brisk quail]

It took me 1 try... i dunno what the issue was

Everyone said it sucks but I just... did it.

Eureka/Bozja trained me well

[fluid basalt]

it wasn't bad... i didn't even have to fight

i just wish ||the fuel wasn't so far away||

[mint sail]

I'm waiting for Chi in Gungnir now

I hope faloop is accurate

[dim sigil]

Whoa wrong page

[untold gull]

so something just occurred to me

||the endwalker logo we thought was the moon was the dead sun after it cracked open, wasn't it||

i just noticed it because this is where i decided to afk

[fluid basalt]

you sure?

[keen osprey]

I'm still wondering what that rectangular object in the logo was

A path?

[gaunt star]

It looks like one of the planets in that zone

[keen osprey]

It certainly wasn't the ragnarok class ship people told me it was

[untold gull]

uh no, that's why i just put my thoughts here, see what others think

[gaunt star]

The one full of crystals

[gaunt star]

It is

[keen osprey]

Eh? It looks nothing like a Ragnarok class ship though?

[jolly sierra]

i saw a post that said the logo was this moment in particular

[keen osprey]

Ehhhhhhh...

I still don't see it...

[gaunt star]

If you view the ship from above

[prisma temple]

the endwalker logo is clearly the moon

the trailer transitions straight from the moon into the logo

[jolly sierra]

yeah but || we dont take the ship to the moon ||

also endwalker is big on ||subverting expectations||

[prisma temple]

its possible they dont want to spoil the ending

[jolly sierra]

its ||supposed to be both||

[prisma temple]

its not the first time the did a jebait

from what ive seen on the trailer

[jolly sierra]

||you think its the moon at first, but actually it also references ultima thule||

[prisma temple]

there is a reddish glow around the moon

||which i assume signifies the despair song|| and how ||zodiark on the moon was blocking it||

[prisma temple]

this could also be the case

but its still a jebait as we have no knowledge of ||ultima thule|| prior to the game launching

i could be swayed either way though

[untold gull]

oh that makes sense actually

[prisma temple]

there is also a hole on the moon logo ||which i assume is where zodiark's spot was||

as for the spaceship, it might have been an older design or

that the current one didnt translate well to a logo

[untold gull]

looking at it on hindsight, ||the launch trailer really just half of the game - or at least barely touched on what was really going on - aside from the single scene with WoL clutching the crystal and Meteion's voice||

[prisma temple]

its the same with previous expansion trailers

they dont really show you the later especially last zone

[untold gull]

anyway, let me just say - cause i just finished the msq last night and the experience is still so very fresh - that the final map was just really well done with pacing and music and the stakes really hitting you so hard including the final path to the top

[prisma temple]

for sure

the music especially

[untold gull]

yeah, the stakes didn't hit me at the start but as we progress and the music... it really just got serious and i think when i was down to two i was essentially just

[dawn plume]

The trailer was a troll

[jolly sierra]

always is

[prisma temple]

not that much

[dawn plume]

Like they mixed up the towers + final days

Also showing us on the moon with the first beast

All stuff that didnt happen like that

But it looked great xD

[prisma temple]

well that beast on the moon was true

but everything else did happen, just out of order

[dawn plume]

Was it ?

Is it a fate ?

[prisma temple]

no i mean what you said about the beast on the moon was true

we didnt see that

[dawn plume]

Ah

Yeah but order kinda matters xD

[prisma temple]

ShB also had similar things

like raktika burning down

and thancred saving minfillia

those happened before we get there

we didnt actually see them in game

[dawn plume]

Yeah but that happened atleast

In the right order

[prisma temple]

we didnt see lyna dancing in the dancer outfit :3

[dawn plume]

That wasnt lyna

You see lyna walking the street a second before

[prisma temple]

no dancer dancing in the square 😭

[dawn plume]

Also the dancer doesnt have white hair

[prisma temple]

in fact the entire square was empty

theres also no gremlin

which was just a stand in for emet

[dawn plume]

There is though

Its in holminster switch

[prisma temple]

there is?

[dawn plume]

Or whats it name was

Yeah

[untold gull]

it's something gremlin. which emote gets rid of the debuff again?

[prisma temple]

oh as an enemy

but it doesnt speak to you or anything

[untold gull]

oh it still insults you

[dawn plume]

Yeah

[jolly sierra]

/console

but it doesnt work on the holminster gremlin

[untold gull]

oh

[jolly sierra]

or maybe it does and im misremembering

[dawn plume]

I think the holminster was a uninteracrable npc one ?

[jolly sierra]

works on the one in gubal for sure

[dawn plume]

That just taunts you

[jolly sierra]

nah its an actual enemy

[prisma temple]

I think they just kind of show things and let you draw your own conclusions,

[dawn plume]

Been a long time xD

[untold gull]

is it bad i'm just hanging out in sixth map for the music?

[prisma temple]

nope

its based

farm those fates

[gleaming bough]

finished msq as viera

back to being a lala i guess

[sand breach]

Lvl89 ||oml doing trial 2 via duty finder is giving me Titania ptsd but WORSE||

[gaunt star]

Since everyone says and know that DRK mid im sure they will buff him enough, right? Right? Hahahaha

[pulsar current]

i mean right now drk is top tank dps

if anything, it would get nerfed, tho i hope not

kinda like it up there, gotta weave and deal with some bs but if you're good you get more damage

[gaunt star]

Ah

I heard everyone call him meh as a tank

[pulsar current]

that is a fair statement tho, EW dungeons are kinda rough with drk rn

!action bloodwhetting

[lusty shadow]

**Bloodwhetting** : lvl 82 WAR (25.0 second cooldown)(Instant cast time)

Reduces damage taken by 10%.
Duration: 8s
Additional Effect: Restores HP with each weaponskill successfully delivered
Cure Potency: 400
Additional Effect: Grants Stem the Flow
Stem the Flow Effect: Reduces damage taken by 10%
Duration: 4s
Additional Effect: Grants Stem the Tide
Stem the Tide Effect: Creates a barrier around self that absorbs damage equivalent to a heal of 400 potency
Duration: 20s
Shares a recast timer with Nascent Flash.

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[pulsar current]

"hm yes i will fully heal in aoe every 25s for 8s at no cost to my damage"

its in a good place for raids at least but it could really use a bit of love

[brisk quail]

BRUH

This skill? Needs love? Are you fucking high?

[jolly sierra]

no they mean

drk

could get some love

[pulsar current]

yeah

war is insane rn

at least drk has damage going for it, so thats a plus

[gaunt star]

So is Gunbreaker from what i heard

[pulsar current]

ye

[gleaming bough]

pussies

just tank with drg

it have drk armore

[pulsar current]

!action Heart of Corundum

[lusty shadow]

**Heart of Corundum** : lvl 82 GNB (25.0 second cooldown)(Instant cast time)

Reduces damage taken by a party member or self by 15%.
Duration: 8s
Additional Effect: When targeting a party member while under the effect of Brutal Shell, that effect is also granted to the target
Duration: 30s
Additional Effect: Grants Clarity of Corundum to target
Clarity of Corundum Effect: Reduces damage taken by 15%
Duration: 4s
Additional Effect: Grants Catharsis of Corundum to target
Catharsis of Corundum Effect: Restores HP when HP falls below 50% or upon effect duration expiration
Cure Potency: 900
Duration: 20s

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[pulsar current]

tbn with a mini excog, no cost

[gaunt star]

War is Marauder?

[pulsar current]

ye

[gaunt star]

thx

[pulsar current]

mrd is baby war but same idea

[ivory nest]

game r u ok

[mint sail]

It gets worse

[blazing edge]

keep going

[sage atlas]

yall this fuckin' ||dog|| i gotta protect

[inner halo]

old wol

[sage atlas]

that is

cursed

[inner halo]

no one created this elezen before?

[mint sail]

90006'd while waiting for Chi

Something tells me I won't miss it tho

[dusky shoal]

he's giving me the leorio sigma stare

[lean ore]

\o/ SMN/SCH 90 now

[weary rampart]

tonberry chi waiting ,6hrs and counting

[lean ore]

https://tenor.com/view/smirk-anime-anime-girl-smirk-zenith-evil-smirk-funny-smile-gif-20308316

[mint sail]

It would be cute if I came back after dinner, after queues, and Chi still isn't here

[ivory nest]

Whoa these nouliths have some detail

[wet crown]

imagine wearing helmets in cutscenes

[urban phoenix]

actually i found em to underscaled

[wet crown]

[urban phoenix]

like the resolution wasnt high enough

[ivory nest]

that's the joke

[wet crown]

a big step up from early expansions either way

[urban phoenix]

also about the tank talk. i would take a paladin and a war over a drk and gnb all days

gnb is the WORST you can get. or i just had a massive stroke of dipshit dps who took gnb as a shortcut dps with faster queue

[ivory nest]

ah yes the classic fake tank

[urban phoenix]

drk just needs a rework. summoner level

[wet crown]

No, it doesn't.

[urban phoenix]

it does. it has no individuality. everything it does warrior does better

the only downside is that warrior has more skills on the gcd than drk

[ivory nest]

at least warrior doesn't have living dead though

[urban phoenix]

thank god

that would be a downgrade of holmgang

[wet crown]

DRK heals very little by itself but has TBN for big shields
WAR heals a fuck ton but shield themselves for only a bit

DRK has a lot of oGCDs
WAR has barely any oGCDs

[urban phoenix]

so

ask any healer what tank they want

[wet crown]

that's the basic comparison between them
why all these "DRK mains" would want more healing is beyond me
it's not part of their identity

[urban phoenix]

no i dont want more healing for sure

i really want a unique identity

make drk the shielding tank then

[wet crown]

if you want healing, but keep the oGCDs, play GNB

[urban phoenix]

so the worst tank of all

here is a way to make drk thousand times better

just remove the mana cost of tbn

give drk abilties which sacrifices his health for big shields

[ivory nest]

make darkside not tied to mana

[neat copper]

I feel like if you're gonna give a job the ability to use it's health as a resource, it needs to be one that can leech it back. Particularly a tank

[urban phoenix]

or rework it

it costs health instead of mana

[ivory nest]

i mean, we did have the dark arts times

that was.. interesting

[neat copper]

DRK is already reliant on a healer, making it more so seems overkill

[urban phoenix]

yeah sure more healing in the 123 combo

but it would be unique

more unique than "hi im warrior but with mana managment and shittier to heal"

[neat copper]

unique isn't synonymous with good

[urban phoenix]

thats true

[neat copper]

like, thematically, I can see how it makes sense

[urban phoenix]

i agree with that

eh i have faith they coul pull it off quite well

i mean....the new summoner is really cool....even when everbody hates it i guess? XD

[neat copper]

I haven't read up on smn opinions, but from what I hear it's mostly the damage output is the issue

I've been enjoying it so far, but I'm only 83

[lean ore]

got it 90 today and i enjoyed it 😔

[wet crown]

What issue? No cast times and very high mobility come at the cost of damage. That's literally the design philosophy of ranged DPS

[neat copper]

"the complaint" is probably more accurate. Like I said, I haven't looked into opinions. It's only what I've heard floating around various internet spaces

[wet crown]

They can't have more damage than RDM or BLM with that mobility.

[wind bough]

A tank that sacrifices their own health is a garbage idea

[wet crown]

there's a reason why we don't have health costs for skills anymore

if all it boils down to the strenght of TBN compared to the upgrades the rest got, then just buff the shield

25% -> 30%
7s -> 10s

[neat copper]

checking fflogs, smn is currently parsing below bard and machinist on the new extremes

[lean ore]

people also say smn now presses less buttons, when you actually press more and ure constantly summoning something

[wet crown]

it presses the same buttons more often
it's not that the job uses spells less

larry actually made a good video on that subject

[lean ore]

idk its still pressing more than b4

wether it replaces other skills in the hotbar doesnt matter xd

[neat copper]

just depends on how you count it

is the same button twice one button, or two

[lean ore]

idk i feel more busy now than i did in ShB, also i absolutely hated the dot play xd

[wet crown]

don't know what's there to hate about passive damage but sure, why not

[neat copper]

doesn't feel as impactful would be my guess

[lean ore]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[neat copper]

it's exactly that, passive damage

as in, you aren't engaged when doing it

that said, I enjoyed both 5.x smn and 6.x smn, so...

[lean ore]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-konosuba-shake-head-ok-yes-gif-16705379

[wet crown]

The only SMN iteration I disliked was 5.0. I liked all the others. But the new version is my favourite.

[lean ore]

i started late in SB so i only played 5.0+ scummoner

[jolly sierra]

scummoner

[wet crown]

Reminder : 5.0 had oGCD Egi-Assaults

that was fucking horrible

[jolly sierra]

yeah i know waht u mean though i loved 5.3 smn

[lean ore]

tho i have a hard time getting used to Ifrits astral flow /sweat

[jolly sierra]

and it was the first time i actually put time into learning the job

[lean ore]

ppl also say PLD sucks but thats the tank i see all the time followed by WAR :v

[wet crown]

comfort tank

[jolly sierra]

pld is strong for sure

its just their damage output is a bit low rn

[wet crown]

PLD's damage isn't that far behind

[jolly sierra]

uh

sure

but its not insignificant

[neat copper]

a small potency buff would have it top tier for sure

[lean ore]

damn meta slaves 😔

[jolly sierra]

yeah the opinions ive seen are just

buff the fancy sword combo

which yeah fair

[wind bough]

I mean

Frankly it is insignificant

[jolly sierra]

😄

happy you think so

[wet crown]

I don't think there's gonna be many early balance changes this time

[lean ore]

plsdontnerfreaper plsdontnerfreaper

[wet crown]

a tiny bit for PLD and SMN, a bit for DRK's cooldowns and that's probably about it

[terse condor]

Or maybe change the way it works, like giving you a worse version of the damage buff if the shield breaks on its own instead of being all spent

[untold gull]

i just realized Azem told him about the guiding star...

[jolly sierra]

idk i dont think drk needs defensive changes tbh

tbn just

by itself

is kind of dumb

[neat copper]

fingers crossed they don't touch bloodwhetting

[jolly sierra]

nerf bloodwhetting though

[untold gull]

i know we'll find out tomorrow at least in part, but man i'm excited

[lean ore]

the hecks bloodwhetting

[jolly sierra]

!action bloodwhetting

[lusty shadow]

**Bloodwhetting** : lvl 82 WAR (25.0 second cooldown)(Instant cast time)

Reduces damage taken by 10%.
Duration: 8s
Additional Effect: Restores HP with each weaponskill successfully delivered
Cure Potency: 400
Additional Effect: Grants Stem the Flow
Stem the Flow Effect: Reduces damage taken by 10%
Duration: 4s
Additional Effect: Grants Stem the Tide
Stem the Tide Effect: Creates a barrier around self that absorbs damage equivalent to a heal of 400 potency
Duration: 20s
Shares a recast timer with Nascent Flash.

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[lean ore]

oh

ok nerf it

[jolly sierra]

fucking stupid is what it is

[wet crown]

nascent flash but better

[untold gull]

bloodwhetting is love. bloodwhetting is life.

[neat copper]

preach

[terse condor]

Yeah but the lv82 moves the other tanks are getting are all way better than than TBN imo

[jolly sierra]

understandable

[lean ore]

next expansion DRK gets Shadowbringers Night

[terse condor]

Maybe have one of the DRK traits be a TBN upgrades than what it is now

[lean ore]

enchanced unmend is too strong to replace tho kekw

[terse condor]

Kekw

[neat copper]

put oblation on tbn and give it something new

[jolly sierra]

did hades have an ultimate skill

[wet crown]

that literally goes against the versatility of oblation

[lean ore]

black cauldron i think?

[terse condor]

Enhanced The Blackest Night: Reduces recast time of Plunge by 5 seconds when barrier is struck kekw

[jolly sierra]

give drk that

😄

[lean ore]

nah

[terse condor]

Does anyone here utilize "Enhanced Unmend" by any chance?

[lean ore]

thats more like a magician spell than DRK faye xd

[jolly sierra]

well yeah

[wet crown]

DRK uses quite a bit of magic

[lean ore]

so give it to blm 😔

[jolly sierra]

but i just love the idea of emet being the original drk

like

THE original drk

[lean ore]

he didnt look like a DRK in his trial :v

[jolly sierra]

|| isnt he a drk if u pick him as a tank in the 87 dungeon||

[lean ore]

yea

[jolly sierra]

well there u go

[lean ore]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[weary rampart]

wait . i tot 6.01 thats coming tmr is just gonna be a hotfix

[lean ore]

its the new raid and hotfixes

get ready for double queue kekw

january 4th savage and new tomestone gear

[gaunt star]

bloodwhetting isn't even that crazy in raids

heart of corundum is the real spicy short mit outside of dungeons

[urban phoenix]

yeah maybe. i just want drk to be something unique