retired-patch-6-3-discussion

[wooden dove]

I did expect it later, though.

[gleaming bough]

I half expected the inside was the final destination

Not the surface

[wooden dove]

turns out inside was || Smileton and frankly that's an improvement ||

[gleaming bough]

Whats with ffxiv and banger music for || post plot dungeon||

[wooden dove]

I think you could just say what's with XIV and banger music.

[gleaming bough]

Anyway

Listen to what || emet|| said at the final area, i expect we would || travel to another shard|| next expac

Or another || star||

[wooden dove]

|| I assume it'll be world of darkness. If you finish all the 80 role quests on the first it does seem to be leaning that way. But it's all just wild speculation. ||

[mellow nymph]

Actually ||they kinda did, when you see the WoL clutch the Crystal in the launch trailer, we are on the final area.||

[timber lichen]

oh I meant the cgi trailer

[mellow nymph]

||as of right now it feels that we have no idea where they will wend us next, in fact, id go as far and say that its actually none of those and something even more different were we go next ||

[mellow nymph]

Much fair then.

Man i feel so free now, i beat the game now i can talk about it finally

[indigo shale]

||if we go to the 13th (not including CT) it will not be msq as it would require al the role quests to be complete, and SE wont want to have msq locked behind something that not everyone wants or has the time to do||

[mellow nymph]

||my take for the thirteenth is that we will go there when Yshtola manages to send us through reflections as she wants||

Man im also with no idea what to do now that ive also beaten it, guess ill complete my role quests, go do YorHa, and also put some jobs to 90 (like SMN, GNB and RPR)

[wicked sage]

I've been levelling up alt classes and doing EW fates.

[humble heron]

||there's always the opportunity the bartender in the crystarium notices a change in the 13th and notifies us as such, and then theres just extra dialogue if you knew her true identity beforehand||

[indigo shale]

||well no, because we bring unku to the 13th who starts the process of healing the void, which requires the role quests being complete, so without doing the warring triad, and the role quests the actual process of restoring the void doesnt start so if we did go there in msq it wouldnt make much sense||

[gaunt star]

Oh man, I just rewatched the Endwalker trailer after it popped in the menu, made me shed a year after having that brief flashback

[vital timber]

I honestly can say it did a far greater job than Shadowbringers.

[kind wedge]

does anyone know if ||theres any bonus quests for completing all the role quests kinda like shadow bringers||

[kind slate]

I heard there is but I've not gotten there yet to confirm

[chilly bluff]

Apparently there will be later on but it's not in yet. It's to be added at an undisclosed later date. Allegedly.

[stiff pewter]

I've a feeling the Ship in the Logo is going to be relevant to the transitionary narrative to the next expansion.

there may not be a doldrums in the turnover to the next ARC

[humble heron]

its been confirmed they will add it later

[stiff pewter]

Events and characters in other shards and worlds can initiate any manner of change to the plot.

[lone fiber]

i wonder what any transition stories will look like

[lunar hound]

||Is the Nekropolis going to be this expansion's "area we build up over time"? We already have Jammingway building the Restaurant at the End of the Universe||

[minor wren]

|| we don’t know yet. They clearly are going to do something more with it.||

[humble heron]

||dance party in hell woohoo!||

[inner ice]

|| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez9S8PS2E3I || damn this is a vibe

[astral trout]

https://youtu.be/GTp-E6znZwY
I would not recommend still watching this before finishing the story

[cinder spindle]

||if zodiark has animals as his main mechanic, shouldn't he be called, zoodiark?||

[glossy hemlock]

|| ZodiARK ||

[turbid saddle]

^ I like that one

[cinder spindle]

||also y'shtola character arc when?||

[late aurora]

She already had hers

[mint sail]

||the Dead Ends dungeon in Japanese can be read as "Final Fantasy"||

[lunar hound]

Anyone else think that ||Rydia's outfit looks...not great on male characters?||

[mint sail]

what's the context

[river cargo]

Just Mateus Limsa

[granite nimbus]

||Yeah, it's pretty bad. I was hoping for a Rosa outfit, but c'est la vie.||

[jolly sierra]

you take that back right now

[slate ridge]

i find it hilarious that ||estinien has the same money problem as alphinaud.||

maybe thats why ||you have to help estinien buy drinks for you when you first visit thavnair because you know what happened to alphinaud back in sb||

[mint sail]

||first zone is FF10 and second zone is FF13 /s||

[slate ridge]

though i sorta forgot what happened

something to do with ||alphinaud selling a sword or lots of money and tataru hears wind about it and gets pissed||

[mint sail]

He buys a sword for lots of cash

[humble heron]

I'm pretty sure estinien sleeps in a tree

[tidal rover]

is the English voice actor for metion same as 2B?

when she reads the report?

[prisma temple]

alphinaud bought gosetsu's sword without bargaining for it

he bought it from a pawnshop for the asking price

[granite nimbus]

We had to go beat up the Four Lords to fill the Scions coffers again.

[quasi scaffold]

||Hiphopway||

[polar schooner]

What is the EW logo? Like ||The ragnarok doesnt look like that and that doesnt look like the moon ||

[jolly sierra]

|| i know /s but i cant see the ff13 in the second one ||

[mint sail]

||Just the general sci-fi city aesthetic I guess I haven't played much past the tutorial||

[jolly sierra]

oh ok lol

[mystic tapir]

Where is ||Y'Shtola|| after the main quest is finished?

[glossy hemlock]

She’s || Visiting Master Matoya ||

[kindred marsh]

man this last boss theme is pretty underwhelming especially compare to the mini boss version

[steep sorrel]

Precious oblivion bird did nothing wrong. Heckin precious girl is just trying to save us from pain

[obsidian smelt]

||where can I find thancred and urienger after endwalker? Or are they gone?||

[slate ridge]

I wonder what’s a good ||rule of thumb for the planet explosion positions for the final boss||

I assume we ||run opposite of the slow planet because that’s where the fast planet is gonna hit it||

[trail yarrow]

Hmmm... I seem to be missing an Aether Current at ||Southernly Zephyrnus|| . did some experience this?

[quick owl]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/751528170473259051/920698958983102504/1639404434017.gif

[sand breach]

||OML EMMET SELCH IS SO HOT WITH THAT HAIR OML|| lvl86 msq spoilers

[faint sedge]

||Thank god I'm not the only on fangirling that part of MSQ 😂 :')||

[gray jackal]

lvl 83 msq || The Martyr: the cutscene prior to The Dark Inside trial, what is the stone you pull from your pocket, kinda looks like a soulstone, I guess but I can't remember it's significance ||

[faint sedge]

||It's Azem's 😊 ||

[wind bough]

||Kinda a big deal ||

[gray jackal]

wow guess i need to go rewatch that part, I have like zero memory of that entire patch lol

[humble heron]

Too many tears

[obsidian osprey]

ITS ||XEHANORT||

[sand breach]

OH YEAH

||those eyes are so HAWT||

||glare at me more ||
|| ||
||for science||

[obsidian osprey]

||ngl i like his new design in elpis more than his old design||

[mystic tapir]

Ppl going gay hard for ||Hades||

[late aurora]

||Mexet||

[stiff charm]

||nah. HYTHLO HOWEVER||

[weary rampart]

||and write a book while at there ||

[mystic tapir]

Kinda disappointed we can't hang out with the gang after MSQ.

[weary rampart]

||idm , they always be in our memories . Better them be away than dead ,right? Or u can use trust system to hang out with them ||

||who knows, maybe nxt time they will appear out of nowhere and surprise us again||

[coarse meadow]

how long till after second fate does CHI take to spawn

[wind bough]

Chi can only spawn after 36 hours have passed since the last spawn

[coarse meadow]

ye

[wind bough]

And if it hasn’t spawned after 72h it’s guaranteed

[coarse meadow]

but i mean like i kill the second fate, should it be like instant spawn?

if its going to spawn i mean

[slate ridge]

Where can you find ||all the scions post msq||

||yshtola I saw is with matoya, thancred and Urianger are near the ragnarok, but what about the others||

[glossy hemlock]

|| Alphinaud and Alisaie are in Tertium in Garlemald ||

[glossy hemlock]

|| And G’raha and Krile are hanging out in Sharlyan I think around the Baldesion Annex ||

[glossy hemlock]

|| Estinien Is apparently in Radz-at-Han at the bar/cafe? ||

[late aurora]

||Aenor and Ocher|| are enjoying the Starlight Celebration together

[glossy hemlock]

Cute

[mortal barn]

cunningway

[glossy hemlock]

[weary rampart]

also that ||Ultima map S rank that require 10 minions to spawn||

[gaunt star]

Joins farm party
Wipe several times but stay anyways because I'm drunk
This pops up when we finally kill boss

Farm party

Not even angry, this is kinda goofy

[sudden spruce]

Nice farm party

Er, cant post names here i think @gaunt star

[late aurora]

It’s fine

You can’t show names when you’re angry at a person, like say: really stubborn people that don’t take advice

[sudden spruce]

I felt that bold

[gaunt star]

Not angry so

[tidal mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-chinese-man-cigarette-yelling-gif-20864925

[mortal barn]

just rerun the client lol

[tidal mauve]

i reinstalled the game already

[mortal barn]

I meet that error occasionally. Just re-launch the client and fine and dandy

[tidal mauve]

no good

[sudden spruce]

Another day without ||flow band version roll||

[pearl iron]

Question on ending. ||pretty sure that man has elidibus' voice talking about pandaemonium? Was there any hint how he could be alive||

[mint sail]

||That was in Elpis, so presumably he said all that in the before-times||

Remains to be seen how they'd connect it

[pearl iron]

makes sense, thanks

[cloud roost]

||Also, Elidibus wasn’t sundered, so that’d be THE Elidibus, the one and the same we saw an aeon later||

[pearl iron]

curious if they're going to show the latest ||Azem who succeeded venat||

oh another question, when was it mentioned that ||hermes became Amon before EW?||

[tidal mauve]

the forum thread about this problem is pages upon pages reporting the same issue and no fix found

[prisma temple]

I dont think it was mentioned. just theorized

[prisma temple]

probably going to be left ambiguious cause its ||you||

i believe they refer to them as ||he or her depending on your gender||

[mint sail]

iirc they used gender-neutral pronouns when referring to their current Azem

I should check that cutscene to see if that really is the case

[half phoenix]

Ah, they're nerfing 'In From The Cold'

[mint sail]

which one again

[sudden spruce]

The ||long duty where your wol rights get revoked||

Why nerf it tho? ||its fitting for it to be more of a struggle than usual||

[late aurora]

They’re just nerfing the easy modes, so if you want the true experience just don’t do those

[glossy hemlock]

I don’t think they will ||because it’s your character so you can imagine them how you want||

[jade relic]

That and they’d need at least 2 separate voice actors - more if you consider || Viera all have a specific accent ||

[tidal mauve]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/874116343580991538/921320944209911848/20211217_004022.jpg

[jolly sierra]

copingway...

[half phoenix]

Map indicators maybe? Instead of aimlessly searching

[waxen karma]

||didn't he say the whole reason why he was able to send you there to Elpis was because he remembered seeing you there? If so, it should stand to reason that since we did not see him in the msq, then it must be him in the end there ||

I am hoping for new exploratory content for EW, though I am less sure what it could be this time...
HW>Diadem (before being removed)
SB>Eurika
ShB>Bozja
EW>???

[fluid basalt]

hope they don't waste ||Corvos|| on exploratory content. it's supposedly so beautiful

also having more zones like Eureka is preferred

[waxen karma]

If they do something like Bozja over Eurika, I hope the conclusion isn't settled off screen in lore text (that needs to be farmed for) like what hapoened wuth Bozja

[fluid basalt]

both Eureka and Bozja's conclusions were not well presented imo

[waxen karma]

Whatever it is, I hope that it is able to be planned out in a more manageable fashion and that the difficulties of Bozjas development don't happen again

[fluid basalt]

difficulties?

[waxen karma]

Afaik, there were complications that led to bozja not seeing all the content it could have had. One of the major factors being the pandemic, but since there is no explicit detailed report on what exactly happened afaik, it's speculation. 🤷‍♂️ regardless of what might haven been the case, I hope that doesn't happen again

[prisma temple]

They definitely refer to ||Azem as him or her depending on your gender||

[waxen karma]

||Didn't Emet say that your player character was a spitting image of Azem before we enter Elpis properly? Assuming I didn't misremember, that would imply that Emets Azem would look exactly the same as the player character... right?||

[prisma temple]

pretty much yea, well... ||the soul would look the same||

because you would look different if you were a roe or miqote etc.... as none of the ||ancients we see look that way||

[dawn plume]

We’ve already seen ||corvos ||basically in endwalker

||pretty early on they mention that labyrinthos is fashioned after it||

[weary rampart]

last trial 2nd phase music name is ||makers ruin|| ??

[fluid basalt]

||labyrinthos is probably the weakest area in EW||

[wind bough]

||He says this in the context of a conversation about soul colours.||

[sudden spruce]

||mare is my personal favorite, ultima was pretty but i like the place more for the story than as a map||

[pulsar current]

facts

[zenith turret]

Definitely the most likely scenario im afraid

But thats not an entirely bad thing

At least || it would be an actual zone and not a dungeon... looking at you Ala Mhigo||

[fluid basalt]

at least Ala Mhigo is still relevant for MSQ even now

||we don't get to visit Dalmasca/Bozja for story scenes because they are not standard zones||

[red talon]

What's the best task for ||U'odh Nunh in the melee DPS role quest?||

[half phoenix]

If I had to guess, Corvos

[woven pivot]

The tank role quests were pretty mediocre this time around, kinda sad

I wish we could’ve gotten a 90 quest for each class or something to finish it off differently based on what class you had

[half phoenix]

All of them have been...

[woven pivot]

We could’ve at least had ours in Ishgard, who even cares about Gridania

[half phoenix]

Honestly I hope they scrap the role quests going forward, they’re getting way too forced

[half phoenix]

Ishgard’s was about the restructuring of the government and religion, and how the lead Bishop was ALSO an evil idiot

[woven pivot]

Never mind then lmfao

I was a bit excited for them when I saw Sidurgu and the Red Mage dude walking around, ||but it seems they don’t get involved anyways ||

[half phoenix]

Ala Mhigo/Ul’dah’s was about recovering from the war and trying to come to peace with the Ala Mhigans that got conscripted

[woven pivot]

I feel like should’ve made them not role locked side quest lines if I’m being honest, I didn’t feel like it had a single thing to do with the actual Tank role unlike the SHB ones

But at least it’s easier to get dyable AF gear this time around

[half phoenix]

The lore reason for tanks in gridania and healers in Ala Mhigo is they were lacking those natively

[woven pivot]

Also speaking of AF gear

The Sam one is absolutely amazing

[half phoenix]

Got zero idea why casters went to Ishgard, melee went to Limsa, or ranged went to Doma >_>

Hopefully the conjoining quest makes up for how subpar the branches were

[woven pivot]

I forgot there was a joining quest lol, I’ll have to level up Sage to go back and finish off the SHB ones, then I’ll prob level Machinist for the ranged dps

[half phoenix]

Because the only things of note that were good was the tiny bits of character development/backstory for Fordola and Kan-E. Nothing really happened to develop Aymeric

It was just Aymeric doing Aymeric things

[indigo shale]

without lucia there, nothing for aymeric to develop,|| tbh after EW im ready to believe lucia is the leader of ishgard with aymeric just as a frontman||

[half phoenix]

We’ll see. Anything of actual interest happen with Merlwyb or Hien?

[hearty ravine]

20 runs on ex 2. 2 weapons all from totem. Fucking bullshit

[half phoenix]

How hard are they? Yet to run them

[weary rampart]

1st EX is simple once u get hang of the snakes position

2nd is ....well interestingly troublesome

[hearty ravine]

I think 2 is easier, 1 has some bullshit

[sudden spruce]

1 on healer is fine, 1 on blm im getting carried

[simple axle]

2 is easier to tank since i don't have to do swap
1 is ass simply because gotta keep moving

[cloud roost]

i’ve only done 1 so far, as a healer, felt quite fun and fair

better if you’ve got good spatial awareness

[weary rampart]

just be a chad and tank the pushback

[simple axle]

if i'm running with healer friends, sure
but i dont wanna get yelled at in DF lmao

[weary rampart]

Ur in JP server , thats what i seen tank be doing . as long as ur stack doesnt go beyond 2 u can survive the TB

[sudden spruce]

I havent figured how to optimize ex1 on blm without making my healers angry

[weary rampart]

u need to pre position very well

[sudden spruce]

Yeah i just did it once on blm then decided id be more useful as a healer

[weary rampart]

we also have 1 healer run pt for EX 1

[wet crown]

is it just me or have tanks forgotten how to properly initiate dungeon pulls?

No ranged attacks, no gap closer

Just casually walking up to every group of trash or the boss and start their rotation

[next quarry]

Honestly it doesn't matter how they pull the trash, just that they get all of them. Though gapclosers just help make it faster

[obtuse surge]

anybody knows when the last Chi spawned on Twintania?

[dawn plume]

Wait they included the dalmasca stuff offscreen ? What stuff are you talking about exactly so i can look it up

[viscid monolith]

Ranged attacks waste your first gcd and save your gap closer for the buff window.

[kindred urchin]

||I'm about to make hydaelyn regret not paying her child support||

[ember forum]

Finally, only Culinarian left (And we'll pretend Fisher doesn't exist)

[fluid basalt]

that FSH hate why

[stark radish]

the spearfishing minigame update has made FSH significantly easier to level (after 61 at least)

(coming from someone who kind of hated FSH until recently ehe)

[fluid basalt]

i'm still not sure why spearfishing had to be changed. i enjoyed the old method. moreso than actual fishing haha

[next quarry]

||Zenos is a more serious Gilgamesh from FFV||

[thorny flax]

reaper questline spoiler. this guy's design is so cool

this guy is so insane xD

[fluid basalt]

is that glam available?

[next quarry]

It's a move

[fluid basalt]

disappointing

[thorny flax]

it's completely unique I think

[next quarry]

!action enshroud

[lusty shadow]

**Enshroud** : lvl 80 RPR (15.0 second cooldown)(Instant cast time)

Offers your flesh as a vessel to your avatar, gaining maximum stacks of Lemure Shroud.
Duration: 30s
Certain actions cannot be executed while playing host to your avatar.
Shroud Gauge Cost: 50

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[thorny flax]

the questline is actually really good

[fluid basalt]

the unintended benefit of not giving the other jobs any further quests sigh

[thorny flax]

why is every villain so horny for my character.|| first Zenos and Emet and now Orcus lmao||

If they touch me they might lose a finger or two 🙂

[next quarry]

Edgy

[thorny flax]

😄

[floral prawn]

guys I got a question about Endwalker's ending. ||If Hermes didn't create Meteion would that cause the final days not to occur for the ancients or were the final days bound to happen regardless of whether Hermes created meteion or not(like what happened to other civilizations), ||

[mint surge]

||I think they happened because the people went beyond mortality and hence, had no purpose anymore. Crystal mom sundered everyone to suffer through mortality so that we would know what it's like to live and want to fight for it. Some civilisations ended on their own while some got sped up by meteion and her sisters||

[weary rampart]

||there will always be second Hermes ||

[floral prawn]

How so?

[thorny flax]

||Meteion caused the final days because of her experience with other worlds and how their end didn't even require final days. She just wanted to speed up the process to end people's suffering due to her not seeing a meaning in life after the experiences she made. Honestly Amaurot would have probably met the same fate knowing how flawed their entire society was.||

[floral prawn]

||Oh alright, so it was inevitable anyway, I kinda get it ||

[thorny flax]

||Hermes was actually right about all of the stuff he said. Emet as a parallel is probably the best example of someone that is completely under Copium. Their society was flawed and he didn't see another way than testing the entire star whether their lifes are worth to live||

[quasi zodiac]

All coins should seriously just become a single coin at some point...

Too many fucking coins

[floral prawn]

||I mean I don't think their society was that bad, they lived great lives, it was flawed for sure but even the sundered world is flawed too so yeah||

[thorny flax]

||Hydaelyn also sundered the people because it was easier for people with low aether to be affected and to see dynamis. That's why Emet couldn't see Meteion at the end of Elpis||

[floral prawn]

||I don't think Hydalen would have sundered the world if the final days didn't occur tbh||

[thorny flax]

||yep because then we would never have travelled into the past which means she would have never known about the future||

||we wouldn't even exist because Azem wouldn't be sundered||

[floral prawn]

||Its basically a time paradox, even elidibus says he swore that he saw the WoL in the past before transporting us to elpis||

[thorny flax]

||I'm so excited about the entire azem stuff btw. They didn't include all the stuff why he disappeared and how he disappeared for a reason||

||we only know that he liks volcanos lmao||

[weary rampart]

no ilvl560 cri buff from food😩

[indigo shale]

||well we do sort of know why he disspeared already||

[thorny flax]

||I really hope that Meteion comes back as a companion btw. She must be protected at all cost widepeepoHappy||

[indigo shale]

||and i doubt we'll actually see azem, as we know from hythlodaeus that no one knows where he is except he ran off into a volcano and is probably no where near elpis adn then azem didnt support zodiark or venat hence why the seat of azem was removed completely making it the convocation of 13, so he carried on doing azem things anyway, by travelling and helping those in need up until he was sundered||

||theyll probably show deudalaphon more before they even consider showing us our azem||

[fluid basalt]

like the First, they should just ||make a whole expansion out of the Unsundered World. given the popularity of the Ancients, it will surely sell||

[indigo shale]

||i dont think they can do that unless we dont play as ourselves||

||because anything we do in the unsundered world would have to still result in the final days, so it would have to be written that venat, emet and hyth are no where near us, aswell as no other convocation member||

||because if our soul gets recognised, and azem gets asked about "a familiar with your soul" that could cause issues||

||plus there will be nothing to do in the unsundered world outside of elpis||

[gaunt star]

||Azem went to a volcano because grapes||

[random ravine]

does anyone know if the maintenance is for a patch update?

[indigo shale]

||as there wont be anything hostile because everything not in elpis has already been proven to be docile and non harmful, all we'd be able to do is talk to ancients no where near amaourot or elpis||

[cloud roost]

||Based on how Azem is written, they would absolutely go "LMAO that's fucking lit" and do their best to engage in whatever shenanigans having said ""familiar"" entails even if they had to work to make sure it didn't change the future||

[indigo shale]

||and also the thing is we arrived at a very specific time, that we barely even managed to do what we set out to do, before we were kicked out||

[gaunt star]

||Thank goodness the spell lasted long enough for us to get what we needed||

[cloud roost]

||we weren't really kicked out, we left because we had no reason left to stay||

[indigo shale]

||they cant do an unsundered world expansion without undoing the whole of what we learnt in EW||

||because time travel be freaky and we have the potential to mess up everything unable to return to our reality, just by breathing wrong||

[gaunt star]

||I kinda hope we're done with the ancients tho since they are heavily tied to the HvZ arc, I know there's alot we still dont know about them but like they can just elaborate that in short stories||

[indigo shale]

||the butterfly effect and all that||

[cloud roost]

||would help if the game would decide what kind of time travel it wants, closed loop or allowing changes to the past to affect the future/create alternate timelines||

||g'raha works on the latter, whereas elpis implies the former||

[opaque mango]

This channel looks like the CIA got ahold of it.

[fluid basalt]

i really don't get how these boss fates work. people are waiting for hours for them to spawn tsk

[indigo shale]

well they dont work is the problem

no timers, only a rough estimation of a spawning window

[fluid basalt]

their rough estimation sure can be off by like 6 hours haha

[indigo shale]

well in the case of ||Chi|| it can spawn anytime within a 32 hour window it seems, so people just wait the full time till it spawns, or itll be missed and itll be another 3 days or so to get the chance

[gaunt star]

Just 5 more minutes till Chi

[indigo shale]

just 15 more minutes

i cant tell what is more annoying "just 15 more minutes" or " when is castrum up"

[fluid basalt]

they've been saying 5 more mins for the last 3 hours

[indigo shale]

yeah thatll happen, see you on the other side when you are still waiting there 20 hours later

[fiery leaf]

||what happened to venats trusted allies?||

In regards to the creation or summoning of Hydaelyn

[fluid basalt]

at least this BGM is so good

[indigo shale]

||well if you mean those she bought into the fold the presumably sacrificed to summon hydaelyn||

[fiery leaf]

||wouldn’t they have been tempered or did hydaelyn not temper her “followers”||

[indigo shale]

||well they all died, those that summoned hydaelyn were a tiny fraction compared to who summoned zodiark, so not nearly enough power to have tempered anyone close, plus i dont think it was in venats best interest to temper anyone at the time considering she was going to sunder the star||

[fiery leaf]

🖤

[mellow nymph]

||we are gonna go see the Twelve now... but its Alliance Raid stories mostly||

[fiery leaf]

||Last question, the people around the locks containing Zodi. What about them? Who were they again? Forgot…||

[tidal mauve]

why are we here

[indigo shale]

||those who were sacrificed to zodiark, their souls stuck in purgatory as they cant go to the lifestream||

[pulsar current]

just to suffer

[red talon]

Are there any sidequests or dialogue that goes into detail ||how the garlean aetherythes work? I only know that one line about someone disabling one to use as an energy source||

[wild crane]

||I thought it was for a light source||

[fluid basalt]

there weren't enough ||ceruleum to keep the aetheryte running, hence why they redirected those for heating etc||

[red talon]

That wasn't my question, I wanted to know if there's more info about ||garlean aetherythes in general||

[wet crown]

There's more than just pure-blooded Garleans as part of the Garlean citizenship.

[urban phoenix]

||the more i play ktisis hyperboreia the more i think hermes is a goddamn idiot. he runs of with meteion thinking we will kill her before he got his answers. but all emet wanted to do is present her findings before the convocation. there was never any talk about erasing meteion and her sisters....||

||zivilzation spanning tragedies because of the childish whims of one man....||crazy shit

[indigo shale]

||well going by how they deal with concepts/creations she would have been erased no doubt, as being deemed not fit for going out in the enviroment||

[urban phoenix]

||i doubt that because she is the only who can properly influence dynamis. a point alone that born emets curiousity. also learning more about the other planets and their history is surely very interesting for the ancients...||

||but history played out as it did. if not we wouldnt even exist so maybe...we should thank him instead?|| aaah questions questions....

[indigo shale]

||its not about influencing dynamis, its more that metion would have been treated an abberation so to speak, and then denied being a concept/banned from being created any more, and ofc with how hermes already didnt like how concepts were treated by the beureu, he just sort of snapped, he was jsut a culmination of everything wrong with the ancients, if it werent hermes then another ancient would have done it||

[urban phoenix]

i cant stop laughing kafka. that is so mean but funny

even more coming from HIM XD

[earnest sedge]

How good is ||hermes|| being voiced by Kirito in JP

[lethal inlet]

what music played during the burger scene?

[tulip geyser]

||I feel like they would have been ok with Meteion just being a favorite familiar of Hermes; they seemed to enjoy that sort of creativity. Its the whole "tossing out whats essentially a lot of deeply empathic children into the depths of space to make first contact" part that would have lifted the eyebrows. A lot.||

As it should.

[urban phoenix]

Thats true yeah....

[storm berry]

Okay I just gotta say in terms of themes and stuff, it feels like Endwalker was literally written exclusively for me and me alone.

[red talon]

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cqS1QOz0qY||

[urban phoenix]

you will not be the only one who says that^^

ew resonated very very deeply with me.

im excited AND scared of replaying

[atomic aspen]

Same

[storm berry]

||Especially as someone who has struggled a lot with existential dread, the fact that a major MMO just straight-up talks about stuff like that is super impressive to me, honestly.||

||Like the Ea started talking and I was just like
OH
YEAH SURE LET'S JUST GO STRAIGHT TO THAT I GUESS||

[granite nimbus]

It's not his first villain role, but it's really soft-spoken compared to this other major villain role.

||Hermes|| is so withdrawn that his VA doesn't really get to express his full vocal range versus the utterly unhinged moodswinger that is Petelgeuse in Re:Zero.

Or his more traditionally heroic roles like Kirito and Bell Cranel, the latter of which has him both speak like your usual shonen hero as well as having a hell of a girly scream on top of cute demureness.

I wind up preferring ||Hermes'|| English performance more because his English VA is able to have more inflection while keeping that same soft tone.

[granite nimbus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2rYu4lxxNs

Examples of Yoshitsugu Matsuoka's vocal range.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d00_6FGAtWM

I think he played his part well in FFXIV, but I feel like he didn't have the same direction as the EN actor did.

[slender siren]

Scuffed tower run

Hansel and gretel and red girl almost wiped everyone

[weary flume]

||will the "last dregs" be a beast tribe?||

[trail yarrow]

dang somebody sent ninja onions during that reunion

[next quarry]

EW beast tribes are the lopporitts and elephant

Or so I assume based on the slides during the showcase

[weary flume]

what about the third? or are there only 2

[untold shell]

||who was first hermes or amon?||

[indigo shale]

||hermes||

||by at least 6000 years iirc as amon is just a reincarnation of hermes||

[next quarry]

Only 2 since Shadowbringers it seems, I hope we get more though

[cloud roost]

||Hermes was the original ancient. He was sundered by Hydaelyn, as with almost every other amaroutine. Amon had the shard of Hermes' soul that was left on the Source, in the same way we have Azem's.||

[stiff charm]

2 for now, third should be added later if they keep to shb formula

[trail yarrow]

fourchenault eew wtf

go sit on time out

fourchenault really needs to go on a timeout.

[weary flume]

well it seems weird that they would just set up something like it, it may be the 3rd beast tribe, or custom deliveries

[stiff charm]

maybe ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[indigo shale]

||i have a feeling the 3rd beast tribe will be the omicrons, due to the fact they are setting up a cafe on ultima thule||

||it could be like the pixies from ShB, the more you rank up with them the more built up the area will be||

[late aurora]

Them being a combat tribe would make the most sense

[weary flume]

yeah, i ment that, its interesting because ||it would be in an expansions final zone||

[indigo shale]

||yeah, but it would fit, as then there would be a beast tribe in zone 2, zone 4 and zone 6, and i cant think of anyone else except maybe giving the garleans dailies or something||

[chilly bluff]

||Garlean "beast tribe" dailies would be so bitterly ironic though.||

[indigo shale]

||yeah its quite ironic if so, but originally i thought they could do a doman enclave sort of thing though its not a hub kind of area||

[weary flume]

||i can see garlemald getting a sort of bozja style instance... or perhaps something on the moon (honestly more a wish than a prediction)||

[safe grotto]

||What was "the sundering?"||

[indigo shale]

||hydaelyn sundered the planet across 10 and 3 making the source and its 13 reflections/shards, upon which all life on the star got split into 14 aswell||

[woven pivot]

[hollow wraith]

it's called Endwalker because you ||walk|| to ||the end||

[cloud roost]

wtf heavy spoilers

[safe grotto]

I fucking died the moment i read the 2nd picture.

[static niche]

mother fuck

[coarse meadow]

anyone know what patch farmville is coming?

is it 6.1?

[midnight fossil]

Spoilers for the quest ||"Words without Sound" When Meteion connected to us mentally, did we just cause The Final Days ourselves? ||

[indigo shale]

||the final days happened anyway its just now a closed loop where new memories were created||

[hollow wraith]

||the final days were inevitable since Meteion's creation, really||

[midnight fossil]

||gotcha. 👍🏻 ||

[hollow wraith]

also, ||it's not exactly concrete that the wol really did travel back in time at all, as Y'shtola mentions||

[indigo shale]

||we 100% did travel back in time, there is no doubt to be had about that, or venat wouldnt have remembered us, or metion, or emet and hyth or amon/hermes||

||or elidibus wouldnt have remembered that he specifically saw us 12k years in the past where we help him in panda||

[hollow wraith]

oh yeah I forgot about that

[indigo shale]

||its just that we are unable to really affect anything to a major degree without creating a new reality, the final days always had to be the outcome||

[solemn falcon]

The whole ||time travel|| bit was extremely frustrating. Like oh, yeah, go ahead and fuck up ||the timeline|| and at the end it doesn't matter ||because it's a closed loop and we wiped everyone's memories except yours and Venats||. It just opens up a can of ||time worms||.

[cunning osprey]

I have a dumb meme but it's pretty much 6.0 endgame spoilers
do I just post it here spoilered completely

[indigo shale]

||well we had basically no chance of fucking it up anyway tbh, thousands of metions were already out in the star system so the final days were 100% going to be an outcome all we did was cause a convergence of memories that never happened the first time around||

[sand breach]

lv87 spoilers ||WHY DOES VENAT HAVE FFXV POWERS||

[cunning osprey]

EW spoilers to basically the end or close to it
Fellas
If your girl:
||- Is a small blue bird|||
||- Doesn't make a lot of sense||
||- Feasts on and amplifies the negativity of others||
||- Won't listen to reason, only appeals to emotion||
||- Ushers in the end of days||
That's not your girl
That's ||Twitter||

[granite nimbus]

||Because she's Azem and one of the greatest ancients ever.||

[main umbra]

Lmfao ren

@sand breach its other way around

[sand breach]

||whatif the other shards are other final fantasies||

[indigo shale]

nope thats an impossibilty

[sand breach]

||and 16's lack of crystal cause they ran out||

[indigo shale]

its been discussed multiple times, it makes 0 sense for any of the shards to be another ff, its just not possible

[main umbra]

They are going be different based on what we know, but it can’t be other FF games

[indigo shale]

and as we went to the first and 13th its pretty clear they arent the other games

[sand breach]

the 13th?

[indigo shale]

and also 7 of them are destroyed

[neon wing]

Well elidibus did turn into a ff1 someone, did he not
Never played other ff games

[indigo shale]

the 13th also known as the void or world of darkness

elidibus turned into a depiction of the first warrior of light, an azem reincarnation from the first whose design references the WoL from ff1, but thats all it is, a reference

[main umbra]

Its homage to ff1 not a copy of ff1

Just as we had kefka and chaos and so forth in the omega raids

[indigo shale]

and unless they bought in the sentients from warframe, that would be a lot of terraforming work to make the other shards being ff games even 1% likely

[neon wing]

Well no one probably expects it to be copies

[main umbra]

Did u finish Ew?

[sand breach]

nope

[main umbra]

Ah then nvm wont discuss

[slate ridge]

I wonder if, ||based on the post credit scene, the new raid is going to be in elpis where we will work with elidibus?||

Can we ||even go back to elpis? Or is that a one time thing story wise?||

[urban phoenix]

i for one hope ||we dont have anything to do with the garleans. seriously let em rot or the npcs take care of em. i dont want to help em....||

[slate ridge]

And ||I think emet selch also hinted about the new alliance raid about figuring out the twelves’ identity||

[urban phoenix]

||that was already announced before the expansion came out....||

and for sure we can go back t||o elpis. we attuned to the crystals here. if our souls is attuned to it then we can travel back and fort guess. that was the explanation they gave us for shb with the first remember?||

[jolly sierra]

who's ur favourite scion its relevant i promise

[indigo shale]

||well someones a bad WoL, we helped the ishgardians so we can help the garleans||

[jolly sierra]

oh no spoilers though

[slate ridge]

||we can go to any point of time and even other worlds as long as we affine to the aetheryte?||

[urban phoenix]

||the ishgardians didnt want the whole world burn....|| @slate ridge not my explanation its the games explanation....

they even made dutyfinder lore conform so yeah....

pretty sick move by the way if you ask me. well designed and executed 😄

[indigo shale]

||well its not quite their fault completely the magic users drive them to the dead cold north, and then emet selch, built an empire out of their despair and misery, sparked the magitek revolution, indoctrinated and propagandized all magic users and the WoL as people who would summon gods so they could invade and kill them due to their inability to use magic, but it doesnt mean they cant change, look at cid, lucia and maxima for example ||

||not helping people is how these situations start in the first place, like ishgard was going to do an eorzean conquest of sorts with thordan going to temper everyone after genociding the dragons||

||also if we let the garleans rot, we prove them right, that we are savages||

[main umbra]

||WOL like u are exactly what that garlean general fear/ was worried about.||

[urban phoenix]

||cid and lucia refused the doctrine of the garlean empire from the get go......and who cares what dead people think. they are dead....||

[indigo shale]

why play this game then

one of the most repeated messages in this game is remembering the dead "look to those who walked before to lead those who walk after"

[main umbra]

Too much edge

[urban phoenix]

because i make difference in who i want to help and who not....

[main umbra]

Give me second i need bandages for my papercuts before i reply lol

[indigo shale]

and cid and lucia never resisted from the get go

[coarse meadow]

holy SHIT chi doesnt exist

[indigo shale]

cid assisted with the dalamud project, and lucia was a spy

[urban phoenix]

no that was cids father

[coarse meadow]

ive been up for almost 24 hours now and this fucker wont spawn

[indigo shale]

and cid assisted, it werent until the bozjan incident he defected

[humble heron]

i mean he is an omega fate (no pun intended)

[main umbra]

@coarse meadow 5 more minutes

[wind bough]

Nice to see people missing the whole message that civilians aren’t at fault for their regime’s actions 😔

[main umbra]

Lucia just knew aymeric had game.

Who could blame her

[urban phoenix]

really now? did you forget what happened during the msq in garlemald? they hated you with every fiber of their being. they dont want your help. they just want you dead and your lands

[indigo shale]

did you skip the whole msq

[main umbra]

Yes and i also read the story so that wasnt the entire thing lol

[wind bough]

This statement is both untrue and extremely concerning

[next quarry]

||ultima thule's lyrics talk about the different expansions aaaaaa||

[main umbra]

Man did 5 quests into garlemald and skipped the rest lol

[indigo shale]

thats something a skipper would say after only knowing garlemald in ARR after doing the 50th prae run

[novel furnace]

"Hated you" and ||"didn't trust you because they drank the imperial koolaid for their entire lives"|| are very different things

[urban phoenix]

im in a dungeon healing so i cant respond fluidy right now

[main umbra]

Its fine

[wind bough]

Better that you don’t.

[main umbra]

Lol

[wind bough]

Like Jesus

[humble heron]

propaganda/brainwashing/nationalism is one hell of a drug

[coarse meadow]

20 more min, i promise

[pallid flint]

Both works :)

[main umbra]

Why 20. 5 more minutes and he’s up i swear

[wind bough]

One which players in here seem to have fallen for too.

[indigo shale]

dw took me 100 hours over 2 spawns to get the mount

[urban phoenix]

excuse me?

[main umbra]

Im about take my online final with the ff queue in background lol

Lets see which one finishes first. Me needing an 100% to even make a difference in my grade by 1% or the queue popping

[pallid flint]

Is your final not weighted or do you just have a really good grade?

[indigo shale]

||but im happy i no longer have to wait in ultima thule ever again||

[main umbra]

Thats my soul after that EW level 90 chain quest

[urban phoenix]

hey that area has nice bgm :x

[humble heron]

i mean sure but waiting for chi is not fun

[indigo shale]

||no i hate the bgm now, if it didnt have lyrics permanently it would be fine, but after 100 hours its the worst track in the game i hate it more than insatiable||

[pallid flint]

Honestly I think it just takes too long

[wind bough]

Maybe if it at least had some kinda day/night cycle music

[indigo shale]

my fav thing about waiting was the world wars, shiva and zodiark came into day, missed the spawn got trapped in odin and argued for about 5 hours in shout chat

[urban phoenix]

fair. btw there is mod to switch it to version 1 and version 2 🙂

[indigo shale]

oh i know, its just i didnt want to log out to install it or else id never get in

[urban phoenix]

😂

anyway. its fine if you think you need to help the garleans. its also fine to think they can die for all he/she cares. people have different opinions. i mean. how much of the real garleans are actually alive?

[sand breach]

lvl86 spoilers ||imagine emet selch revitalizes u and ur a lalafell but he doesnt know the size of a lalafell so they make u ancient sized||

||tallafell||

[indigo shale]

well its not about me as a person wanting to help the garleans, its what the WoL thinks, thats the only thing that matters, and the WoL wants to help everyone

[wind bough]

It’s a story about people

And wanting a nationality to die is abhorrent

Fictional or no

So don’t take it any further

[urban phoenix]

2 legions mostly shattered, made up by forceful conscripts. isnt that the perfect point in time to remove the garlean empire? in a peaceful way of course. like. they have no power left. just force em to let the conscripts go and the survivors can settle down somewhere that isnt a frozen wasteland

[wind bough]

That would be a form of helping them.

[urban phoenix]

yeah but a form of removing them too

you remove the from the power table

[wind bough]

I don’t think anyone really expects Garlemald’s imperial claims to be reinstated.

[crystal arrow]

do you have any sense of sympathy or empathy

like. really. these are just civilians.

[indigo shale]

no that ship has sailed, if it is to be restored itll become a republic of sorts

[urban phoenix]

i do. but can chose with whom.

[crystal arrow]

they're not responsible for what the legati have done in the name of the empire.

[indigo shale]

like it used to be, until emet did his shit

[wind bough]

So you’ve chosen racism instead of reason.

[crystal arrow]

ITT: people who don't understand nuanced storytelling

[main umbra]

I think he kinda forgets that garlemald isnt a nation, but also an entire species.

[urban phoenix]

careful lyon. thin ice. its not. i just dont feel any sympathy with them.

[crystal arrow]

then you're no better than them. congratulations.

[main umbra]

Lol dont thin ice him lol

[wind bough]

I’m not on thin ice but you are.

[crystal arrow]

it's fucked up to say that civilians who have done nothing, who have suffered in a frozen wasteland for the last 800 years deserve to die, yes.

[main umbra]

Like its ur opinion so i dont care much, but arguing that you would fine with garleans being dead becsuse they are garlean is basically racism

[cunning osprey]

me: [comes in to check on my dumb twitter joke]
me: [sees an argument about racism and morality]
me:

[main umbra]

@cunning osprey just another day in the survey corp

[crystal arrow]

I'm glad you didn't write ew. Because jesus christ people think of morality in such a black and white way, it's insane

[urban phoenix]

thats not true actually. but you cant expect everbody to share your view on the matter.

[wind bough]

Everyone saw what you wrote, you can’t pretend it’s not true.

[main umbra]

Well yes thats why we’re basically telling u ur opinion is kinda lowkey trash. Lol

[wind bough]

So don’t take it further.

[cunning osprey]

I can think of a lot of ways to sympathize with the Garlean citizenry
Their most defining feature is a brand that marks them as associated with the behavior of the empire no matter to what extent they actually condone it
Pureblood Garleans are just straight up weaker than most people because they can't manipulate aether
They were driven out of their homeland by another imperialist force in the past into a frozen wasteland
They're subject to constant propaganda, some of which has elements of truth (primals are a threat to the world's stability for instance and must be stopped)

[crystal arrow]

This is a public channel. I saw what you said, and I can reply and judge you for it if I wish.

[cunning osprey]

Like, these are people, ones not responsible for what their leadership does, and with a lot of understandable reasons why they've been polarized into such an us-vs-them mentality, because they were driven to the brink of death as a culture and kept there constantly and only even partly escaped from that through magitek

[urban phoenix]

okay. now tell that to somebody who lost their loved ones to a garlean invasion, or under garlean rule. sotsuyu comes to mind. remember the scene at that fishing village where she forced civilians to shot each other? do you think he will care?

[wind bough]

Yeah I do

Because Endwalker in fact shows us a lot of stories where people with such stories do overcome their resentment and show empathy for the Garleans

[cunning osprey]

The thing is, a point being logically consistent/thought out isn't affected by how it's viewed by the individual, that's the thing

I don't support the death penalty, and I don't think I'd personally be right calling for it just because it affected me, for instance

[crystal arrow]

a number of people in the ilsabard contingent were literally under garlean rule until stormblood. they're there, on the ground, risking their lives to help garleans. what's your point?

[wind bough]

And people’s emotional desires for revenge don’t do anything to justify mistreatment or neglect of innocent civilians

[cunning osprey]

Not everybody can be convinced, and you can't just beat your points into them, it's true, but it's important to try to help them understand each other and make peace even if it's painful and bitter at times

[urban phoenix]

but they also stated that for everbody who signed up for the ilsabard expedition dozens turned away. which is also a valid thing

[wind bough]

Not everyone was capable of that kind of strength

[crystal arrow]

naago and lyse are there. and they witnessed zenos raze rhalgr's reach and kill dozens of their compatriots and their leader.

[obsidian notch]

Happy for some reason

[crystal arrow]

hell, the bozjan resistance also sent representatives. and their entire capital was vaporized by a failed garlean experiment.

[urban phoenix]

i wouldnt say strength. i think it has to do with your experience in life

[wind bough]

The ability to overcome your biases is strength

[urban phoenix]

i would argue its more a kind of mindset than strength but thats highly philosophical and there probably isnt a right or wrong answer to what it is. can be both, can be something entirely different

[cunning osprey]

If you can overcome your bias and understand the individual worth of people across the board rather than throw either into the dirt for comfort's sake, I think it speaks to strength
Mindset is only part of the equation in doing something difficult

[worn forge]

the Garleans follow a similar upbringing to the steppe tribes with the Matanga, both groups were raised to think their enemy (eorzeans/matanga) were all bad, and growing pains were needed to move past that

I mean shit, one of the first thavnair sidequests you can grab touches on this

[urban phoenix]

these uuuh feral aggressive elephant people?

[wind bough]

Go to Garlemald now and most Garleans are happy the contingent are there, working with them and opening their eyes

[urban phoenix]

i admit i didnt do any sidequests besides the ones for the currents and those i even skipped if the start showed it doesnt adds to the msq but is a closed mini story about something else

so i dont know about the matanga besides their mention in the msq talks

[wind bough]

The Arkasodara are not feral or aggressive…..

[worn forge]

the sidequest stories this expac are fantastic and some touch on MSQ beats for EW like Thavnair’s

I definitely recommend them if you like more engaging stories after MSQ

[hollow wraith]

the elephant people are cool

[urban phoenix]

well they where painted as aggressive attackers in the msq talks. feral may be a bit much sure

[hollow wraith]

do not speak ill of the matanga in front of me

[wind bough]

No they aren’t???

[inner halo]

Some or probably many people skip cutscenes and skip blue quests just for raids. But, usually for post-expansion blue quests are actually giving out normal and alliance raid contents…

[wind bough]

Literally what are you talking about

[worn forge]

the offshoot in the Steppe do not share the same values as the Arkasodara

[urban phoenix]

hrm...maybe im missunderstanding what popo mentioned then

[wind bough]

The Matanga are split into two tribes, Arkasodara and Gajasura

[urban phoenix]

ah

[worn forge]

the steppe people only ever knew these matanga, so they were raised believing all were bad; much like how Garleans are raised believing all eorzeans are bad

[urban phoenix]

must be the gajasura then?

[worn forge]

that was what I was alluding to

[crystal arrow]

so you're just racist then? because that doesn't happen

there's literally one quest about it, and the gajasura are hostile in othard and there's an au ra adventurer there who's scared of them because of that. that's it

[wind bough]

The Gajasura were aggressive, and were driven off Thavnair by the combined Raen and Arkasodara

They now live in Othard and are enemies of the Xaela, attacking them on sight

[inner halo]

Garleans think Eorzeans are wild savages, but don’t garlean are the ones who attacked us first?

[worn forge]

Subjugation is all they’ve known for ages

[urban phoenix]

i only remember your elephant buddy the fisher boy you teach about selling fish talking about their roots and how their country came to be. and that there where 2 tribes or something and one cooperated with the arriving hyur and aura and another went full aggro on them

[indigo shale]

well, garleans were conquered first by magic users and driven north from warm fertile lands to a place that is bitterly cold with no way of surviving

[wind bough]

Hyur didn’t come until much later

[inner halo]

Oh

[urban phoenix]

hum okay then au ra and they and one tribe wasnt happy with them. i thought popo meant that tribe. i admit i cant keep the names properly sorted

[wind bough]

Garleans being driven north was 800 years ago mind you

[urban phoenix]

talk about a grudge kept well

[indigo shale]

yeah, but something like that doesnt go away, when everyday you could die just because its to cold

[inner halo]

They were desperate for fire though

[worn forge]

an upbringing where all you’ve ever known is hate against a specific group takes time to mend and change; this happens a lot in real life too

[urban phoenix]

sure i understand that. but how many of the modern conquered territories even have ties with these magic civilization

[indigo shale]

and also emet selch the evil bastard he is, set the empire up to be how it is, sure they had resentment in them before, but it was he who found the magitek revolution, he who started the campaign against primals, he who set the empire up to fall

[worn forge]

doesn’t matter when the subjugators built an empire on ancient wounds; eorzeans not being associated with the ones who caused this shift to the north is inconsequential

[urban phoenix]

we dont know. the garleans are pretty much the source version of the omnicron

[jolly sierra]

[urban phoenix]

from conquered beings going to being conquerors

[inner halo]

Tempered or not tempered…

[indigo shale]

like most of this boils down to emet selch being efficient with his goals for getting rejoinings going, like sure elidibus and lahabrea did some things here and there, but emet is more a monster than any of those 2

if he could find a way i bet the fucker would have found a way to utilise the elementals

[urban phoenix]

wasnt emet chilling in the void until right before shadowbringers?

[indigo shale]

kind of, he died in 2.1 then was called back by elidibus in 4.4 so barely a year of chilling

[urban phoenix]

i might be wrong feel free to correct me but we have no records of who made what rejoining happen do we?

[indigo shale]

i dont think we have something that tells us what ascians directly caused which rejoinings, though for the 8th we can say at first it was going to be lahabrea (with thordan) and mitron and loghtrif (the first)

[urban phoenix]

as far i know emet only took control of the garleans to have a force, a powerful one to boot to wage war in the source which will end in tragedies which in return will end in people praying to their gods for salvation, which they can use for the summoning of primals...correct me for the black spots

[indigo shale]

but emet had quite a hand in the allagan era with the empire itself though we dont know how much of a hand bur enough where he could just show up to amon and xande with so little a reaction

[urban phoenix]

yeah well if you think about it ||the allagan era is really a hardcore copy of elpis no? they did the same crazy stuff with their research||

just...not so "peaceful" ||like the ancients did. a lot more brutal because they didnt have creation magicks.||

[hollow wraith]

I like that ||Cid just shows up and declares the ark his own||

[indigo shale]

well they did experiment with life forms as evident with dalamud and the meracydian dragons

[urban phoenix]

yeah right? i was laughing so hard

[indigo shale]

but also damn the allagans did so much shit, i doubt we'll be able to do much on the source without sometihng allagan being there, cant even go to the first, 13th or ||the moon without alllagan bullshittery||

[hollow wraith]

honestly ||I was mad he didn't show up earlier||

[indigo shale]

in fact we couldnt even go to|| elpis ||without allgan shit

[urban phoenix]

true. me too i blame the sharlayans....

[indigo shale]

||well tbf i doubt the sharlayans really know of cid and his exploits and also that this was a secret project know one knew about for hundreds of years||

[hollow wraith]

||he at least should have been the first one Alphinaud called, instead of pretty much everyone else||

[coarse meadow]

how long after fate 2 should chi spawn if he is going to

[indigo shale]

15 minutes

[inner halo]

Sometimes Sharlayans are kinda hard to read

[coarse meadow]

thanks dad ❤️

[wind bough]

Huh of course they do

[hollow wraith]

they are dumb is what they are

[indigo shale]

they arent dumb

[hollow wraith]

I hate those nerds

[wind bough]

||He’s world famous and Sharlayans keep very on top of current events||

[urban phoenix]

wouldnt say dumb. arrogant for sure

[inner halo]

||What I think of sharlayans are pretty much inexperience about combat, but doing experiments day by day||

[hollow wraith]

I'm using dumb, not to insult their intelligence, but rather dumb as in I hate them

[inner halo]

But yeah, Sharlayans are nerdy arrogants

[indigo shale]

||i blame hydaelyn for that, giving them a star saving task, destined to become the saviours, anyone would become arrogant||

[inner halo]

But I like their inventions

[urban phoenix]

eeeh they could have asked for help but they didnt. thats on them wouldnt blame venat for that

[inner halo]

||I kinda accept that Hydaelyn want us to experience suffering so everyone else can grow stronger and learn from their mistakes, by simply put. However, she was forced to take actions before everyone else are feeding themselves to Zodiark for “Perfect” paradise, if I recall.||

[hollow wraith]

If I were an ascian, my first order of business would be to put Sharlayan under water

[indigo shale]

||well they couldnt have there was like a whole quest dedicated to the fact they were bound by an enchantment that unless they died they couldn't speak of it ||

[hollow wraith]

Fandaniel's biggest mistake imo

[urban phoenix]

an enchantment they did on themself not venat

[inner halo]

Fandaniel: ||I want to tie a noose myself, who wants to join me||

[indigo shale]

an enchantment they wouldnt have done if not given that task in the first place by venat

[hollow wraith]

it is very funny to me that ||people talk about the Telophoroi like it isn't just two dudes||

[urban phoenix]

but it was still their own decision to mute themself instead of asking others for help and expertise

[indigo shale]

well they had decided not to because it would spread mass panic and fear and that benefits no one

[urban phoenix]

im healing again give some time 😄

[hollow wraith]

well maybe ||Hydaelyn should just have left Zodiark alone||

[inner halo]

I’m impressed that Ishikawa strikes gold for a second time writing for EW

[indigo shale]

||usually telling people the star itself told them that the world be ending soon and it aint stopping it, get ready to go to the moon and fuck off out of here isnt going to be taken well||

[hollow wraith]

ShB set my expectations very high, and they were far surpassed

like holy moly

[tulip geyser]

||Also theres the fact that if they have to act then dynamis is going toward out of control and telling people and causing more panic before they absolutely have to wipes folks out of existence when they monster out||

[indigo shale]

||yeah exactly, so as arrogant as sharlayan may be, they did everything perfectly imo, well beside the aether burner problem but still||

||and im sure if venat/hydaelyn didnt like how sharlayan were doing it she would have told them, even in her weakened state, as they had not built 1 but 2 ways directly to her||

[urban phoenix]

erndboss

be with you in a second

[gaunt star]

Damn, after rewatching the EW trailer, yeah the moon on the title art is indeed ||that dead star in Ultima Thule or whatever||

[urban phoenix]

alright so....||i agree that just telling the people would be a bad move which would earn em scorn and/or mass panic. thats why you dont just walk out into the street and announce the end of all days, when you lookf for capable people to help you. they still could have taken cid for example and told him after a background check and a check that he is mentally stable enough to digest the news.

But they did nothing of that. and i blame their arrogance and pride for it. after all the sharlayans have existed longer than their connection to the aetherial sea and they had that pride before they evne got the news from hydaelyn. also as long zodiark is fully sealed and the rejoinings didnt happen there was probably no need to break the news for the new people of etherys in the first place.||

[indigo shale]

||the problem is timeline aswell tbh, we dont know exactly when things happened like was cid available, was the ark done before he defected, was he away in another plane of existence dealing with omega||

[urban phoenix]

they used a lot of magitek and cid was a prodigal genius in that field

so ya know....well thats true though. but actually we know.

[astral trout]

Here's what I don't like [Zone 5 spoilers] ||Time travel theory used for 6.0 is different from the one graha used, Crystal tower was transported into past and caused creation of different timeline that unaffected it's old timeline and future and was able to succesfully alter the future of this timeline while when WoL travels into past it doesn't create a new timeline, instead it causes a closed loop of cause and effect. Now It's not paradoxical because even if we didn't travel in past you could argue things would have gone the same way, we changed almost nothing of our past but our travels in the past affected our future||

[urban phoenix]

||our boi tells us in the msq when the sharlayans got the news. he tells you in the msq when you are arrested and brought before the forum||

[indigo shale]

||because all of ARR -EW is less than a year, so it doesnt leave much time for anything, very busy year for everyone||

[astral trout]

||Unless the future we go back to is also another timeline in which case our old timeline fails to avert the end but from our perspective it's like the same timeline||

[urban phoenix]

||but if we didnt travel back we would lack knowledge. if you have the choice of traveling back in time and understand or have one of the oldest primals.....beings you constantly fought against your entire adventure life telling you "its the right way trust me"...what would you chose?||

[urban phoenix]

||no that cant be true. they mention months passing several time in different expansions....that would be batshit crazy you cannot do so much within a year 😂 ||

[indigo shale]

||no one has aged up, its still year one of the 7th astral era||

[astral trout]

||I'm not arguing of why we did it but the way it affected the original timeline, unless it didn't and we just created a new timeline which is almost identical until we return from the timetravel||

||That should be consistent with Crystal exarch's time travel scenario and how he was able to avert 8th calamity||

[urban phoenix]

well i rather stick to my headcanon of it being 8-10 years depending if you count 1.0 or not

[tulip geyser]

||Yeah Im not sure of the decision not to shunt the timeline there because like G'raha's our future-past would have remained the same, and we would have still learned stuff. While another line happened and did its own thing. But then, I do have kinda...really strong opinions about things thereabout so eh.||

[indigo shale]

||like barely half a year has passed, in game and that half a year was because of SB, and all that was because of a boat travel||

[hollow wraith]

YOOOOOO ALPHINAUD ||GOT ESTINIEN IN A DRESS SHIRT||

[astral trout]

||Imagine if we returned from timetravel into the present and found out the final days never happened, that would be a terrible end but a possible one because of our inteference in the past||

[indigo shale]

well you can do that, but its wrong as koji fox has already commented on it that it never exceeds a year

[urban phoenix]

thats just nuts 😂

[tulip geyser]

Solving all the problems in a weekend plus boat trip.

[indigo shale]

he explains it as a simpsons like timebubble, the bubble gets bigger but a year doesnt pass

[urban phoenix]

why is it that every mmo presses their century spanning stories within 1-2 years 😂

[tulip geyser]

SWTOR definitely let time pass a bit and I think WoW gave up on trying to keep their bubble after Cata and let things flow a bit

[indigo shale]

because even at the end of stuff like SB and ShB , the fall of dalamud was still only 5 years ago in game

i agree as it goes on it seems to be non feasible we did any of this, like i feel at some point we will just awake from a coma and none of it was real,

[tulip geyser]

Yeah and it will never not drive me a bit crazy. Like it doesnt have to be a decade, but like half a year max? ESPECIALLY if it remains into 6.1?

Yes I know why its a thing, but jeez, lol

[gaunt star]

[indigo shale]

like in the span of a year, we stopped the 14th legion, freed ishgard, ended a 1000 year war, liberated doma and ala mhigo, permanently killed 3 unsundered, cured tempering, forged a multicontinent spanning GC ||killed the source of the final days|| and much more

[urban phoenix]

bam 6.1 everything was just a dream in a guild leve like the 1.0 trailer 😄

[humble heron]

You've been in a coma for 5 years; its time to wake up

[indigo shale]

we wake up on a carriage

[sand tiger]

"wake up, it's time"

[hollow wraith]

at the end of endwalker it's mario sleeping a la smb 2

[sand tiger]

and we are either Link, the Nerevarine or Archer.

[indigo shale]

we wake up in a carriage, caught in an imperial ambush as we were crossing the border

[sand tiger]

Gods, let it be Archer.

[urban phoenix]

never gets old

also i would make a god troll moment for the devs xD

[indigo shale]

if it ever happens, unlikely as it is, FFXIV x Skyrim, it will have to include that scene

[hollow wraith]

what if you wake up and it's just 1.0 again

[sand tiger]

"FFXIV - Skyrimwardbloodbringerwalker: Remastered. Now available on your local fridge and Nokia 9210"

[hollow wraith]

what about a Fallout crossover ||it could take place in Garlemald||

[indigo shale]

just imagine a letter from the producer, going normally and ever so slowly todd howard comes into view to announce skyrim: FFXIV edition

[tulip geyser]

https://i.redd.it/6fc9nd4lyi281.jpg

[hollow wraith]

Heavensward is kind of like Skyrim, if Skyrim were like 200% better

[sand tiger]

Todd, sliding into those congestion letters saying "It just queues"

[hollow wraith]

did eso ever have queue problems

[indigo shale]

idk i played it for a bit and never had an issue getting in

[sand tiger]

logging in? nah. connectivity issues cause the servers shat themselves? plenty

[indigo shale]

and by a bit i mean not very long,

[hollow wraith]

a friend of mine sank many hours and many dollars into eso
but you know what? they refuse to play ffxiv.
I am so mad about it

[indigo shale]

sunk cost fallacy i presume

[sand tiger]

unpopular opinion: however much softener fucking Schick poured over the TES lore, it's still more enticing than FFXIV's overly pathos-ladden animu-style FFtropes that I had to endure as MSQs. FOR ME

[indigo shale]

whats funny is that because this game was an MMO i thought it would have a bad story, like how could a mmo have a good story, and turns out i was very wrong

[hollow wraith]

perhaps. but I love the fftropes

[sand tiger]

if I disable my overly picky reader-part of my brain, FFtropes are quite enjoyable.

[indigo shale]

i didnt even count this game as a final fantasy game for like 4 years till i actually played it

[hollow wraith]

been a fan since I started playing video games

[sand tiger]

that said, being a TES lore afficionado, ESO was first a massive let down that slowly grew on me, the less Schick had to do with it

basically the same approach. but a comparatively less enticing execution.

[gaunt star]

Eso still sucks ass even if lore might be good

[sand tiger]

yeah. can't argue that.

[indigo shale]

eh i dont find it to bad, but then again my only other mmo experiences are BDO and GW2

[sand tiger]

dude

[gaunt star]

BDO being p2w lol

[sand tiger]

GW2 made me scream in absolute neckbeardrage at my screen.

[hollow wraith]

that's what I was told. I think tes is cool, parts of it at least (*cough cough* Morrowind)

[sterile galleon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=420PJHzQgS4

[gaunt star]

I liked everything from morrowind and onwards

[sand tiger]

everything that is basically "Michael Kirkbride" TESwise is fucking awesome.

[sand tiger]

that's mostly Kirkbride with a bit Pete Hines.

[sand breach]

i never got into skyrim even though ive tried many times
not even sure why

[hollow wraith]

I liked Oblivion mostly, but I felt let down by Skyrim

[sterile galleon]

I'll admit, I didn't cry in 5.0. I did cry in 6.0 however

[sand tiger]

there is a noticable difference in style, tone and motives between Morrowind and Skyrim. a passing of torches when it comes to writers.

[gaunt star]

I really hope they fix tes 6 and don't make it as clunky as all of their games in creation engine.

Hopefully CE2 is a better upgrade

[indigo shale]

i liked skyrim more than oblivion, i preferred the setting of it

[sand tiger]

Watch it be CE with raytracing.

[hollow wraith]

is tes 6 actually going to have a new engine?

[gaunt star]

Yes CE2

Supposedly upgraded CE1 but... sigh... its Bethesda

[sand tiger]

it's supposed to be their new CE2. but we have no clue how much legacy code will be in there.

[indigo shale]

yes its bethesda, but its now also under microsoft

[sand tiger]

given that we are talking Bethesda, it's likely A LOT

[indigo shale]

so who knows they might make some internal changes to the bethesda team

[gaunt star]

Hopefully Microsoft won't do the same shit Zenimax did on them now that zenimax is mostly erased

[sand tiger]

may I just crush your hopes and tell you that Microsoft is not a jota better than Bethesda?

[hollow wraith]

"New engine or Gamebryo again?"

[sand tiger]

Microsoft has one saving grace. They are pretty hands off these days.

[indigo shale]

i trust microsoft more than like 90% of other game companies

[gaunt star]

It's better than Zenimax at least xP

[sand tiger]

it's the same people calling the same shots. only difference is that they forward their balance sheets to new microsoft overlords.

[indigo shale]

i can think of like 3 companies not including SE i feel i can have faith in when it comes to games

[hollow wraith]

the only developer I trust anymore is Square, Platinum and Fromsoft

[indigo shale]

being DE, GGG and MS

[gaunt star]

I dont have faith in SE at all, but I have faith in FF14 dev team 100%

[sand tiger]

Coffeestain publishing is pretty solid rn, due to just not having had the time to properly fuck up. They did Satisfactory and Deep Rock Galactic amongst other titles.

[indigo shale]

oh yeah they made goat simulator

[hollow wraith]

oh, and Codemasters I guess

I like a good racing game

[sand tiger]

takeaway like usual is: if they are too big to fail, they will fuck you over. trust in those having sth to lose just like you.

[gaunt star]

The two irredeemable compaies certainly are Disney and Activision

[indigo shale]

and cd projeckt red

[sand tiger]

what about EA?

[gaunt star]

Who's EA

[sand tiger]

have we forgotten about EA? have we written off EA? is EA finally and irredeemably doomed?

[indigo shale]

and take two interactive including r*

[gaunt star]

Tbh, all big publishers are long irredeemable... they are just piles of shit and that's it

[indigo shale]

well not just publishers, most dev teams aswell

companies go for the cheapest labour, big publisher or not

[gaunt star]

That's true as well

[indigo shale]

then you get games like cyberpunk and bf2042

[gaunt star]

And instead of treating people better, they instead hire people based on skin and gender now

Like they ain't even trying anymore lol

[indigo shale]

yeah, should just hire based on you know actual skill and qualifications rather then hiring based on if twitter is going to "cancel" you

[sand tiger]

tbf, Cyberpunk is kind of an outlier. While it seems like the usual corporate fuck up, what it actually was was overly ambitious plagued with a lack of self-conciousness. that's different from the usual corporate remote self-irresponsibility you see with the likes of ActiBlizz, EA or Ubisoft

[inner elm]

Did they show off the pandemonium raid gear at a live letter? Or at least some of it? Or was it the tome gear?

[indigo shale]

oh yeah this is an ff channel, we kind of got a bit offtopic

[gaunt star]

Yeah, and the worst part is idiots on the Internet support this sort of thing

Especially in the wow community which is even more sad

[sand tiger]

sometimes the bigger picture makes you appreciate the thing right in front of you even more.

[gaunt star]

Oh yeah, haha, this topic is steaming hot and distracts easily lol

[indigo shale]

cyberpunk has 0 excuses it was incompetence all the way down, announced in 2012, a fake gameplay trailer published in 2018, just not a single thing they said would be in game was in game

it wasnt ambition it was lies and greed

[sand tiger]

oh yeah, not gonna defend CDPR

my point was they failed coming from an unusal angle.

lies and greed followed in the wake of ambitions and the unwillingness to face their own shortcomings

[gaunt star]

so those queues huh

[sand breach]

they're not as bad as i thought they would be but still not ignorable

[gaunt star]

It's sad how it all went down the shitters.

Bioware being another... from legendary games like Baldurs Gate saga, Dragon age origins to ME trilogy... and now they are shit place

ive been waiting for 6 hours

[sand breach]

oh gosh

[sand tiger]

tbf, compared to Bioware, CDPR is actually fixing their game. it won't save their reputation.

[gaunt star]

Yeah, bioware isn't even trying at all

they cant fix the story though

[sand breach]

what dc?

[sand tiger]

I blame Pondsmith for that just as much as CDPR. the story is just plain bs

[urban phoenix]

which one

[gaunt star]

And now I have to watch another company desecrate baldurs gate cuz they went full greed as well

this queue aint movin

[sand tiger]

I am out of the loop, don't we like Larian any longer?

[gaunt star]

people log off dayum

[urban phoenix]

why? larian demanded a price lower than what the fullprice will be. and since then worked hard on bg3

[gaunt star]

Besides Baldurs Gate 3 being an obvious DOS reskin, plot being irrelevant to the original saga, actually say they named it BG3 for marketing and went for turn based in a game from a saga that used real time

[urban phoenix]

dude im playing pf wrath of the righteous right now, and let me tell you real time sucks hard

[sand tiger]

If I may say so: The realms are irrelevant. they've been a long time. Any attempt to build upon that IP is just a waste of the D&D license.

[urban phoenix]

you barely have time to do anything you just hope your lifepool is high enough to survive the encounter and your troop hits hard enough

[gaunt star]

Problem is THEY CLAIM its a sequel. And keep saying it is, despite obviously not being so. And then so called "bg fans" claim its true.

[sand tiger]

where the fuck does it have ANYTHING to do with the bhaal legacy besides being located in the realms? :D

[gaunt star]

They say its because its in Baldurs Gate

Even though the city was only really brief in bg1

[sand tiger]

so, if I write a fanfic of a farmhand taking a shite in baldur's gate, is it part of the bhaal legacy, then?

[opaque mango]

The fuck does this have to do with ff14?

[gaunt star]

No because WotC

[sand tiger]

precisely nothing EXCEPT it being the musings of poor souls being stuck in queue.

and as the queues are so intrinsicly linked to the 6.0 experience... I think it kinda qualifies.

[gaunt star]

Worst thing is they bringing back Minsc and Jaheira... man... just thinking about the legacy of the game being desecrated makes me mad

[urban phoenix]

is that the withdrawal speaking? (just joking) XD

[sand tiger]

like... 200 years in the future?

[gaunt star]

Yeah... tho Minsc already got asspulled into 5e, jaheira would be dead because of depression if Charname doesn't romance her

[sand tiger]

I've stopped bothering with the realms ever since 4E

[gaunt star]

I've stopped with the lore since 3.5.

4e was the last edition I liked playing

Tho undeniably, 3.5 is my favourite ruleset in PF and DnD

[sand tiger]

5e, Dark Sun, Planescape, Eberron. chef's kiss

[hollow wraith]

so how does summoner work in 6.0
I wanna try it out

[gaunt star]

Ugh anything 5e is disgusting trash

[sand tiger]

you push BUTTons. summon BUTTs appear.

[hollow wraith]

I love BUTTs

[stark radish]

they are big butts and you cannot lie, especially at lvl 90

[sand tiger]

on a more intricate take: summoner went from dot-era to actually being a summoner, rotating their summons between bahamut, the arcanes and phoenix

[hollow wraith]

superficially, that reminds me of Yuna in FFDD
so, I'm sold

[urban phoenix]

and nearly everbody hates it and i dont get why

[sand tiger]

because change is bad.

even tho new summoner has definitly more of a place in the line-up than dot-era SMN had

[humble heron]

New summoner is easy as heck to pick up

I love it

[sand tiger]

new SMN is the mage for people who hate cast times and love magical effects. it has a rhythm, it's versatile and it has a clear class identity between the deliberately planning BLM and the RDM trying to be a jack of all trades

DOT classes simply are not fun in such a gcd driven environment as XIV is rn.

[humble heron]

Itll be interesting to see hows it optimized for each trial/raid/etc as you need to figure out if there's an optimal order to do gems in

[sand tiger]

the gems are imho the one thing still being wonky. there is simply nothing that suggests so far that you need to bother with a set priority

[humble heron]

i agree for most content, but itll be interesting to see if itll make sense to vary your gem usage based on "do i need to move a lot during this phase"

[sand breach]

i personally wish smn kept the dots on top of the current gem summons

gem summons feel a bit too braindead right now

[humble heron]

I agree but as an idiot i like the braindeadness

[sand breach]

yeah
its as mobile as dnc with none of the rng
super simple button presses

[gusty tartan]

the worst part about new summoner is having to unlearn muscle memory

[hollow wraith]

I am so sad :(((((((((((((

[copper delta]

Can someone DM me what's going on in the lvl 89-90 zone? Like, I had to skip a few cutscenes for personal reasons and now I'm confused and it's such a random zone that I'm not sure if it's worth the time

[sand breach]

try the inn for now

[copper delta]

I'll probly do that, but it's such a weird turn and the whole zone makes no sense with where the story is/was heading. I'll bite the bullet and read anyways..

[sand tiger]

it wont make much sense with the cutscenes in mind either.

possibly the worst part of the story

[mortal barn]

there is the side quest where the moon rabbits ask me how to revamp the accommodation facilities. I tell them just turn the whole place into a live-or-death arena XD

[earnest sedge]

Thats on u sir, shouldnt have skipped

[copper delta]

I mean, yes, indeed, but if the cutscene auto-scrolls regardless of me asking it to or not, and my baby is crying, there's only one correct answer.

[earnest sedge]

Try the inn

Auto scroll is also toggleable with spacebar! For next time

[humble heron]

Baby > endwalker

[copper delta]

Endwalker is the only expansion where I've noticed that despite removing the auto-scroll with spacebar, the game will still autoscroll certain parts regardless. It's kinda frustrating, but yes, Inn it is, though I'm finding the story so bad in that area that I'm dreading the wasted 3k gil for the back and forth, lol

[sand tiger]

the story is hardly worthy of bothering over the needs of a babe. and its droolings are more coherent a story than the pathetic stuff you get sold as an epic.

[earnest sedge]

You really dislike the story aye

[sand tiger]

yes. for the storytelling more so than the actual content.

that aside: baby > endwalker.

[earnest sedge]

Fair enough ahaha, i found it as a good story cos it ties everything upp

[copper delta]

Hmm, idk, 80 to 88 the story was good, to average, to amazing. It's really this zone and a few others that killed the pacing with a shotgun to the gut

[sand tiger]

sure. but the best part for me is that it's over.

[copper delta]

idk why they felt the need to just massacre the pacing at every opportunity

[earnest sedge]

o? I thought the pacing was really good, threw you into action immediately ahaha

[sand tiger]

pacing has been an issue ever since for XIV

[worn forge]

it cant always be high octane, stakes get out of control that way

[stiff charm]

^

[hollow wraith]

I don't know about that.
As much as I enjoyed Endwalker, there has been its fair share of moments in which you grind to a halt

[sand tiger]

pacing is not about being high octane all the time. it's about anticipating the audience's reactions and working with that. for me, being a western part of the audience, the pacing is completely off

[stiff charm]

imagine the entire expansion being the same pacing as 83 or 85

[worn forge]

it would be hard to take anything seriously if everything was serious

[copper delta]

Example: You're running after the two Omnicidal Maniacs on the moon. You get there and you know you have to stop them urgently.
So you.. prance around with a dog for a bit.
Then you see the end of the world is coming because of your actions, so you spend hours running around with rabbits talking about nonsense like pudding and clothes.

Like, it was amusing and all, but when we're talking imminent end of the world, I'm not thinking "hey I wonder what Puddingway is doing rn"

[earnest sedge]

Fair enough, Id say thats mainly like ||Labyrinthos and parts of Thavnair||

[worn forge]

even the bible had jokes and tales

[humble heron]

Im one of the few people who appreciated the 88 quests

[earnest sedge]

I did too ahaha i was just chilling man

[stiff charm]

prancing around with a dog was actually very important but ok

[sand tiger]

it was not.

[hollow wraith]

perhaps, it's mostly the moon I take issue with, however

[earnest sedge]

Not saying any of you are wrong cos how good it is, is based on personal pref tho ofc

[humble heron]

Yeah i think after ex 1 it really just slammed into a wall but hey ff4 amirite

[stiff charm]

that bit was slow, and very jarring, ill admit
but honestly you just had one of the biggest climaxes of the entire game it has to calm down for a bit

[hollow wraith]

88 I didn't really like that much, but it paid off big time with ||the Hydaelyn fight||

[humble heron]

I agree, emerald, but i wish they had gone in more on levity in that case

[sand tiger]

the climax was wasted because for some reason there had to be yet another story crammed into, being presented as the ultimate climax with zero build up and all of the confusion of "you just triggered my trap card"

[copper delta]

The buildup can't just be tossed aside at a moment's notice without an actual release.

Spending time with the three tall people was very nice, but we're also taking our sweet time considering our friends and innocents are dying at home due to the actual end of the world and we're just playing tag, looking at pets, etc.
If our character had a sense of urgency and others were forcing them to slow down, that'd be one thing, but that's not it, haha.

But it's likely a problem that's nigh impossible to prevent when the whole story is built around the end times.

[copper delta]

I'm not sure how many "you just activated my trap card" FFXIV can get away with until it honestly

[sand tiger]

the gross plot points are cool. the narrative is wonky af.

[worn forge]

it was never an ultimate climax, it was made very clear time and time again that ||zodiark|| wasnt near full power and also was ||just awoken||; I’m sure you can remember how it felt seconds after your parents yelled at you and told you to wake up and get out of bed

[sand tiger]

the ultimate climax I was referring to is the one after that.

and sorry, you can talk about "this aint my final form" all you want, the audience's expectations have been set ever since ARR about what would facing that one would be.

[hollow wraith]

Wake up honey! It's time to ||destroy the world||

[sand tiger]

it's just bad storytelling. doesn't make the story bad. just the way it's told.

[worn forge]

it’s not the developers responsibility to design with expectations in mind; it’s the fault of the audience for overblowing their own scope of hype

[copper delta]

Like, despite the complaining, I'll say that I absolutely love this expansion just as much as I did Shadowbringer. Though for vastly different reasons, and I think most people really like it and the game, but there were many disappointments along the way

[earnest sedge]

That was the best part for me hahaha cos I thought it was gonna be the final fight and the final piece of the puzzle ahaha then mindblown it was part of a bigger pircture all along

[sand tiger]

it is entirely on them to consider the expectations they set and work with that. THAT makes a good storyteller.

[earnest sedge]

Oka imma go for now got irl stuff, be civil plz just coz one of you dislikes the story and one of you likes it dont try to 1 up each other oka bai bai

[sand tiger]

I get that. I just felt the pacing fucked it up because the build up was basically crammed into a short interludium before what you'd expect to be "the climax"

[hollow wraith]

woo I just hit 90

[sand tiger]

good lad. now go to bozja and grind your other jobs to 90.

[charred minnow]

||I could be wrong, but weren't we explicitly told that Zodiark was summoned to forestall the end of the world and that getting rid of him would be bad||

[copper delta]

Yeah no, it's 100% on developpers and writers to design with expectations. it's literally the job of a writer to balance pathos, logos, ethos, rises, falls, etc. Like, they choose a epic music track as the action rises and not a slow meadow tune for a reason. They are setting up expectations and controlling the rises and falls

[hollow wraith]

only job I care about right now is Sage

[hollow wraith]

I was thinking about this earlier ||I think Hydaelyn may or may not be to blame for this mess||

[sand tiger]

yes. but once again: expectations. we deal SO MUCH with the whole ascian/zodiark/balance situation that it builds up to THAT. not to what is actually and suddenly tossed at us for being the actual threat. which feels very much like a deus ex machina due to how the animosity fostered on purpose towards the "villains" is subverted by them a) being admitted to have very relatable motives before a certain flashback and b) being redeemed by basically trying to do what falls on the WoL to do in the end. this is such a confused way to tell a story.

[copper delta]

I do believe you're right, but at the same time, when demon-daddy is standing in front of you and threatens your puny life, you don,t got much choice.

Though, I blame WoL a lot too for arriving super slowly as they omnicidals were breaking the last spire. Like, why aren't we in a hurry? Oh yeah, because WoL read the script and knows we gotta let them win

[crystal arrow]

it's not bad storytelling. it's just not your taste. there's a difference.

[hollow wraith]

||If Zodiark was left to his devices to begin with, I don't see much of a problem. Now obviously, after the sundering, and the ascians becoming genocidal freaks and stuff. But like, none of that really needed to happen I don't think**||

[sand tiger]

it's actual bad storytelling. I've provided the facts for that (altho rather colloquially). That is not a matter of taste, altho I will not push this on anyone enjoying themselves.

[crystal arrow]

"writers should write stories the way the COMMUNITY wants and not the way they want to" is such a weird hill to die on. reeks of entitlement

[sand tiger]

it is not about what "the community" wants. The need to set and work with set expectations is an established modus operandi for every author.

[worn forge]

it is up to the creator to design the product the way they want, regardless of success or failure

[crystal arrow]

i am so genuinely happy that they don't listen to the community when it comes to writing a narrative. the ideas that the community comes up with are complete dogshit

[copper delta]

Who said that?

[obsidian notch]

@formal niche kek

[trail yarrow]

can we put that as our login screen? and have the 'let me in' meme playing at the background

[charred minnow]

I did definitely find the pacing a bit iffy, but it was all in all enjoyable for me

[copper delta]

Like, devs, writers, and anyone is entitled to write the story they want to write.
And as consumers, we're entitled to criticize the story and the problems with it. Even moreso when they are blatant, but that part is debatable, which is why debates and discussions happen.

[obsidian notch]

But honesty is it really bad to log in now?

[gilded basin]

i thought moon part was the weakest, but i enjoyed all the rest

[worn forge]

82 pacing was a bit iffy but nothing I hadn’t gone thru in other expansions, definitely a slow part for sure but it needed to be

[hollow wraith]

like really ||what's the worst that could have happened, if Zodiark remained unfettered? I haven't seen any evidence that he was really a bad dude.||

[obsidian notch]

Do most of your guy still have problems log in?

[crystal arrow]

[sand tiger]

queue times can be iffy, but overall I must say the worst instability issues seem to have been reigned in.

[trail yarrow]

look. pacing wise, there are low points. that cannot be denied. it definitely felt awkward at times. and some parts didn't make any sense to me.

still enjoyed it though 😄

[crystal arrow]

y'all just have the most shit takes tonight huh

[copper delta]

I mean, the issue was always the Ascians and others wanting to release him and cause trouble, haha.

[hollow wraith]

I log on early in the morning, and have no issues logging in. Peak time, however, that's fucked

[stiff charm]

||... him requiring constant fucking sacrifices? did you even pay attention?||

[obsidian notch]

Do you blame world of Warcraft player moving over and cause this to be an issue?

[trail yarrow]

i would say, queue has been definitely better. i haven't had queues past 3k and i actually had less than 200 at 12noon. at 12 freaking noon

[copper delta]

Calling other's opinions shit take without providing any reasoning of your own is pretty toxic honestly

[sand tiger]

no. we are just frank when it comes to something that obviously enticed us enough to bother. that aint bad in itself. the effort is monumental and nobody can deny this is a labour of love and passion. but it aint perfect.

[worn forge]

yeah the queue is slowly getting better as player falloff happens like with any new release

[copper delta]

I logged on 2 hours ago, took about 2 hours in the queue and got stuck at 1st place for about 15 minutes haha

[trail yarrow]

definitely.

[minor wren]

The raids are next week so who knows what it will look like.

[sand tiger]

I honestly can't say. People claim left and right that WoW players coming over is the main culprit. But I'd say there is just as many people just checking out the game because it's so universally lauded.

[charred minnow]

Expansion release too

[copper delta]

easiest predict of my life: A shitshow, and I'm gonna love every second of it

[hollow wraith]

I don't remember anything about constant sacrifices

[trail yarrow]

i mean, expansion release has always been bad for mmo (i meant for queues). wow had this issue (worse tbh) back when i played it.

and a lot of inactive players def came back because its a new expansion

[obsidian notch]

Will yosh p create another new server due to the booming of popularity grow and expansion?

[sand tiger]

I fondly remember WoW EU release. 3 days of queueing, crashes and ultimately no gaming. yet it was a wild ride.

[trail yarrow]

they want to but its not feasible. they already stated that they are willing to pay above normal price but its just hard. even cars have issues getting those components

[sand tiger]

compared to that, while the queues are a nuissance, they aint keeping me from playing

[charred minnow]

The plan was to get new servers but there's some sorta component shortages

[obsidian notch]

They always say this is just another Tuesday for them

[hollow wraith]

TRANSISTORS

[sand tiger]

semiconductors.

[trail yarrow]

do you remember diablo 3? kek that was so bad

[obsidian notch]

Will this problem another Tuesday for us?

[sand tiger]

didn't play it on release but I know the stories.

[trail yarrow]

it'll get better when player activity drops off and if they manage to get those servers up. and i don't expect them to be able to get new servers at least until q2 2022

[obsidian notch]

One developer for Diablo 3: what if Diablo was a girl?

Half of the developer team walk out

[naive kelp]

Does the scene ever get explained where ||we defeat king thordan and he looks up at us terrified and he says who are you?||

[trail yarrow]

its bad. the game itself was crap at release and it had server isseus as well

[naive kelp]

Well I tried to put a spoiler tag

[trail yarrow]

its || at the beginning and end

[sand tiger]

they won't get new servers before 7.0. the premium and lead times right now are absurd and while it sucks for us players, SE should not and won't make such investments hastily.

[naive kelp]

Ty ty

[worn forge]

it’s more of a bewilderment than a foreshadow into something; ||a man who with prayer, ancient relics, and untold power, got his ass beat by someone he saw as a mere adventure. It likely put the fear of god in him||

[naive kelp]

I see I really thought they were foreshadowing something but that is still interesting none the less

[strange wing]

||Yes actually.||

[obsidian notch]

Since Nintendo able to get sora from Disney. Can we get sora outfit?

[naive kelp]

What is it? ||Something to do with the azem?|| But I'm ngl I didn't pay much attention to endwalkers story it just wasnt all that great to me

[obsidian notch]

The amount of crazy stuff we did to fix their society problem it seem reason able to be fear by us

[strange wing]

Something something endwalker spoilers:||Dynamis||.

[obsidian notch]

If they have sora outfit in mogstation how many player will come out money

I mean square still have part own sora right?

[naive kelp]

Isn't ||dynamis just aether 2 but with feelings? So he accidentally inhaled some aether2 and got scared?||

[obsidian notch]

||fatman?||

[sand tiger]

||dynamis is supposedly the power of the mind. aether all of a sudden, always being the conduit of magic and thus of agency is somehow not linked to that.||

[strange wing]

||Okay, so Dynamis will beat out Aether every time because it's self-esteem directly influencing our power level. There is a limit to prays, and crystal but no upper limit to Dynamis. Hence "Limit Break". It's why Omega is so confused by you in the Omega raids.||

[trail yarrow]

also cause according to ||Hermes||, ||the ratio of dynamis to aether is higher||

i think 63% is what he mentioned? don't remember the right figure but something along those lines

[copper delta]

||Dynamis: Fact do in fact care about your feelings. ||

[naive kelp]

I don't really understand tbh so it's just mental fortitude we got during ||elpis and they could tell or sense we had something other than the blessing of light||

[obsidian notch]

Why is that || fat cat women so interesting||

[sand tiger]

||it's one of many inconsistencies that come up to make sense of the loose ends of the story. you'll have to simply accept that for some reason aether is oh so important for life but dynamis is more powerful. 63.2% more awesome.||

[trail yarrow]

am i close to the end or are there still a lot of quests? currently at lv89 msq

[obsidian notch]

When will we see the drop off

Will you hate me if I skip the story?

[trail yarrow]

uhhh... i think we are already experiencing a tiny bit of that? especially since my queue times are definitely better. itll probably get worse when the 6.01 comes out

[strange wing]

No one will hate

[naive kelp]

Ah ok thanks lol I thought I just missed something during the story since I was kinda skimming through text

[sand tiger]

just skip. this isn't the mona lisa of MMO stories. despite how much people enjoy it.

[trail yarrow]

i mean, if you wanna skip it, that's your money. you get to do what you want with it. i recommend that you don't but that's up toi you. i won't curse you or pray for your death if that's what you meant 😄

[obsidian notch]

Ok

[strange wing]

I feel like the story only works on a emotional level. If you aren't marking out when you see Scrimbo Himbo again in Endwalker when his only appearince was in ARR then the story might not be for you.

[naive kelp]

I found endwalker probably the hardest to get through and a lot of my friends do too

The pacing is absolutely atrocious

[trail yarrow]

how does story skip work anyway? do you automatically get a lv70 character if you skip towards ShB?

[sand tiger]

precisely. it's the typical anime level of pathos that is supposed to woo you on an emotional level. and it does that just fine, giving you plenty of reasons to root for the characters.

[strange wing]

I don't really remember the pacing issues I just remember all the crying.

It's really weird way to make an MMO that's for sure.

[naive kelp]

Yea I agree I still believe they could have done more with ||metieos tbh, honestly some scenes with her I just straight up was laughing||

[strange wing]

I think it's up to 80 now and shoves you into Endwalker

[obsidian notch]

Out all girls in the main story so far who is the best waifu?

[sand tiger]

a MMO story. for the western part of the audience. the game itself its quite awesome.

[trail yarrow]

the best one was gone early on

[sand tiger]

never not Y'shtola. I'll fight people over this.

[trail yarrow]

like super early on :3 Moen is the #1 for me. Yshtola is 3rd. Sadu is def second
😄

[strange wing]

Y'shtola is the least developed character of all time. Even ||Zenos ||has more of a character arc.

[obsidian notch]

Even ass mold gold?

[sand tiger]

especially ass mold gold.

[naive kelp]

I also knew || nothing was going to happen to anyone very early on in this expansion so the sense of urgency just want there for an expansion named "endwalker"||

[obsidian notch]

|| I hear we fight his ass again||

[sand tiger]

see, that is the best part about her. Y'shtola is consistently Y'shtola. doesn't give a fuck, just y'shtolas on. No fucks given. With all the emotional overloading that the story tries to apply, I came to appreciate that.

[strange wing]

I can see why, but also I ||was a child who had to deal with huge existential dread that made him depressed for years because of it so I really related with that aspect of her character.||

[trail yarrow]

I actually kind of like to think that Yshtola takes a lot of cat nap and i like that

[obsidian notch]

But for real how he || slip his neck and still live? Does the story explain or it plot armor||

[sand tiger]

||dude. that's so... ugh. they killed off all stakes because nobody relevant was even remotely in peril.||

[naive kelp]

Yea I get that I just feel a disappointed that that's how they wanted to end the story and that was the cause of everything leading up to the ||final days||

[strange wing]

I mean I guess. But it's just weird when(Endwalker huge spoilers): ||when talking to Hydaelyn and she's talking to everyone about their character growth Y'shtola is just sort of there. ||

[trail yarrow]

uhhhh... i would say him fusing with a primal allowed him to kinda use a less localized thing that happened with the sahagin leader?

[obsidian notch]

There is a funny part in endwalker where|| we can examine her ass and she noticed it for doing that||

[strange wing]

I also get this, ||but I think an entire story that was the Mansa scene running threw the forest would probably kill people. Especially me.||

[trail yarrow]

like remember when pirate leader killed the sahagin priest? he moved to another body. i would say its similar to that. similar to ascians

[sand tiger]

||Y'shtolaing on. Thank the gods for that. you need characters who don't fall for emotional traps. characters who provide a nadir to orientate. characters that just tell you "man the fuck up, WoL, we got an expansion to burn".||

[copper delta]

That's so patently untrue I'm still trying to recover from the whiplash of said opinion.
I salute your bravery

[obsidian notch]

Ah so plot armor

[naive kelp]

Yea I cringed when ||zenos took our body and we had to literally crawl our way back to them and nothing fucking happened. That was set up so perfectly but they didn't have the balls to do anything. Instead zenos just watches them wishing they could be friends idk||