retired-patch-6-3-discussion

[humble heron]

Its a break in all the action @gusty quiver considering what we went through in zone 5 and the impending zone 6

[gusty quiver]

Thank you for not naming zone 6

[humble heron]

Zone 6 is walmart, gottem

[distant elk]

Yeah the last zone was very ZZZ

[gusty quiver]

Shhh Im still in ||rocket town||

[distant elk]

|| the whole ultima thule "talk with all the civilizations" part felt very filler and anti climactic, considering we had just flown across the fucking universe, just to prance around and talk to random creatures ||

[humble heron]

||hes just a tsundere that doesnt wanna admit he likes all the attention||

[jolly sierra]

god i ||fucking loved emet||

[indigo shale]

||the point of that was that we were fucked and had to overcome the despair of the races feeding ultima thule to forge new pathways, it werent random either||

[humble heron]

||i mean, its a trip down the memory lane of the universe, and a deeper insight into why the rest of the universe went to shit||

[distant elk]

|| I felt that point was made before we took off. ||

[marsh osprey]

help out in ex2
be ridiculously bad because im trying sage in hard content
loot that crafting material
log out

[distant elk]

|| I didn't hate the last walk, that was a nice touch. I just didn't care for the extreme amount of exposition and lore dump they put between an epic takeoff in a spaceship and your final battle ||

[late aurora]

Do you not remember ||Amarot||?

[humble heron]

Im calling the ff14 police

[jolly sierra]

level 81 spoilers

[jaunty herald]

you guys are doing ex trials?

[marsh osprey]

[jaunty herald]

blm is excluded out of every group i find

[vital brook]

Post Endwalker spoiler: i still cant stop thinking this looks like a boob

[indigo shale]

||no one knew what ultima thule was going to have, no one knew we would have to face, the only point made beforehand was to try and not die||

[jaunty herald]

the nutte sac

[gusty quiver]

WHY MAKE ME PLAY HIDE AND SEEK?!

[humble heron]

||Thats fair, but at the end of the day this might be the last time we see the scions together for a long time, if not forever, so i think they wanted to make it count. I do agree it doesnt hold up when you watch someone else play it||

That could have been worse to mess up w spoiler tags in all honesty

[indigo shale]

||the only filler part of UT was emet selch coming back||

[distant elk]

|| wdym ? We knew Meteion was gonna bring oblivion, and we knew that it was going to be a nigh impossible task, which is why hydaelin had to test you and if you had failed, you had to flee the planet. Feel that was more than enough to know before going there. Sometimes too much details is a detriment, and it was for me in this case. ||

[indigo shale]

||no we knew nothing of Ultima thule, we didnt even know if it was going to be a physical realm all we knew was that metion was there, thats the only thing we knew at any point in time about what we were going to face||

[vernal nacelle]

I'm about to head to the last zone in EW and I feel like it deserves a mirroring of the famous "any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" quote. In this case... "any sufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable from technology". Lol.

[mortal barn]

About In for the Cold quest. Is it just me, or the voice volume sounds very quiet?

[humble heron]

Well its about to get ||real fucking loud, lol||

[bleak comet]

Can you unsync and solo like the lower leveled EW dungeons at level 90? Or nah

[distant elk]

|| Agree to disagree. If you like it then that's fine by me. I thought it added nothing of value and what's worse all the "sacrificing" was a bit too much emotional baiting in my opinion. ||

|| Alphie starting to cry as if it wasnt 100% sure that literally everyone was gonna comne back in 10 min ||

[indigo shale]

||ofc it was emotional baiting, thats dynamis and the entire thing of EW bring emotion ||

[humble heron]

Probably not

[nocturne wharf]

From a gameplay perspective, ||by the end of the zone you KNOW they must be brought back, because of the Trust System||

[indigo shale]

incorrect

[humble heron]

||i mean thats what the character would do in that situation even if we as the player can read the script somewhat||

[indigo shale]

||we know the scions arent needed for dungeons, we could have bought anyone at all, ||

[distant elk]

|| yes, and? Just cause the story is about emotion doesn't mean you have to force feed it down someone's throat. There were plenty of genuinely emotional moments such as your farewell to Hydaelin, or when Meteion takes your hand after the battle. All the sacrificing on the other hand, was borderline cringe in my opinion. ||

[gaunt star]

||They set up in advance that they can come back. It's not meant to be a moment of you thinking they would never come back, or that they would truly be gone. Thinking that is a complete misread of the situation, and it's baffling so much of the playerbase thinks that. Y'shtola even says they can come back. It's to put the scions against nhiilsm/despair, and forge the way for you. Not to bait them as being dead. ||

[indigo shale]

||you just listed 2 things where its forced down our throat||

[wheat stag]

U seem angry

[jaunty herald]

||putting oxygen on ultima must've been a thancless job ||

[gaunt star]

Me considering doing last dungeon either on trust or party

[jaunty herald]

if doing df prepare to wipe at the first boss

[jolly sierra]

|| i mean making ultima thule survivable was literally all thancred did ||

[distant elk]

|| Its hard not to think that when the remaining characters are literally crying or in deep despair due to what is happening. ||

[distant elk]

🤦

[gaunt star]

OK but what if I AM the tank? 😂 😂

[gusty quiver]

[jaunty herald]

i mostly see healers die to it which is weird

[open verge]

I enjoy how endwalker really makes you feel like the WoL is main character of the story

[gaunt star]

Well, they can't move the most cuz healing so I guess it makes sense

Tho as a warrior I can self heal pretty damn good

[jolly sierra]

|| i get where ur coming from but i'm on the complete opposite end tbh. i ate the final zone msq up and i was completely dead by the end of it. i figured they would come back but at the same time i wasnt completely sure, which fucking terrified me ||

[humble heron]

What do you think of the level 88 quests now, lol

[gusty quiver]

I really feel the exact opposite way

[gaunt star]

This 100%

[open verge]

Shadowbringers the WoL was obviously the main character but it was also very focused on the character stories

Not a knock on shadowbringers at all just think it’s neat

[gusty quiver]

Level 88 quests still filler and dumb, but actual story creeps in now and again

[jaunty herald]

||with thancred and estinien i was sure but when they started disappearing one by one i knew something was up||

[gaunt star]

I think in the EW WoL is undeniably the main character, but so are the scions

[distant elk]

|| Glad you liked it. I enjoyed the little ghost people as you were walking towards the final battle. I thought that was a nice touch ||

[open verge]

Absolutely

[humble heron]

The main character is tataru

[gusty quiver]

Like yeah you're the main character but it feels much more driven by all the other characters around you

[jaunty herald]

i was pretty sure the main character was Emmanellain

[gaunt star]

That hit super hard.|| It felt like taking the burden but moving forward as everyone touched your shoulders for support ||

[gusty quiver]

[open verge]

The WoL is the character that brings everyone together in the msq

[gaunt star]

I still personally think the WoL is elevated as the Protagonist but he isn't the only main character

[open verge]

Best felt through the start of the Garlemald contingent cutscene in ala mhigo

Is it called the Garlemald contingent I forget

[humble heron]

Ilsabard contingent

[open verge]

There we go I knew I had it wrong

[gaunt star]

I have to say, I think Endwalker killed WoW to me. Sure, gameplay doesn't feel as smooth as in wow, but gameplay isn't everything

[naive barn]

Hit this part yesterday. There were a lot of tears before, during, after. Just a fucking whirlwind. (Dunno how to mark things as spoilers, so I'm just providing no context)

[jolly sierra]

the wol is 100% the protagonist and has the starring role final part || and the walk pretty much cements that || but the game also makes it exceedingly clear that it was impossible without everyone around you

[jaunty herald]

torghast killed wow for me not ew

[open verge]

Yea WoL just fills like the glue that brings everyone together

[naive barn]

WoW killed WoW for me a while back. As far as I can tell it hasn't gotten better.

[jolly sierra]

LMAO

[gusty quiver]

Fucking ree

[vernal nacelle]

WoW died for me just because I played it for-fucking-ever.

[gusty quiver]

The pencil button to mark spoilers

[vernal nacelle]

Like... it came out freshman year of college. Needless to say, that wasn't great for my scholastic career, lol.

[naive barn]

I was in cause I genuinely enjoyed the lore. Then "...and then they jumped a new shark" could have been the last line for every lore entry.

[vernal nacelle]

Granted I also played XIV since it came out.

EW jumps a few sharks, imo. Mainly in the overabundance of "this is a big character moment, feel emotion!" cutscenes. Those are great when used right, but I think EW lathers them on too thick, thus making them all just less special than the ShB ones.

I just got to the last zone and I think the only cutscene I felt -really- deserved itself as far as those "big emotional character moments" was the one with ||Uberdanger and Moonbreeder's parents.||

[dusky shoal]

||why is emet such a f*cking good character?||

[humble heron]

Yeah ew has more story problems than shb in my opinion, including some weird pacing, but it makes up for that by being insane

[naive barn]

Originally what became EW was gonna be two expacs. Then they figured they would rather layer one thick vs two spread thin. I feel it was wisdom.

[jolly sierra]

exactly how i feel honestly

[minor wren]

Same

[vernal nacelle]

@humble heron Maybe a little -too- insane though. I mean I know it's a staple of FF games to ||throw in brand new antagonists and stuff at the last second||, but eh... I dunno if it works here.

That said, I just stepped into the last zone and it's GORGEOUS.

[indigo shale]

it felt better than ShB, at least all zones in EW felt like they were worth msq time

[minor wren]

Endwalker has problems but they are trying to do something insane in the process.

[humble heron]

No such thing as too insane

[slender siren]

When you get put into tam Tara hard mode

[jaunty herald]

EW has too much filler but apart from that its 10/10

[naive barn]

What is a FF game if there isn't a adventure of plucky, gung-ho teenagers pulling themselves up by their bootstraps and making their way in the world, chasing their dream to find and kill God?

[minor wren]

I think it has good filler and bad filler

[humble heron]

Also be on the listen for the ost

[minor wren]

I need to get the ost

[indigo shale]

yeah the ost ||gets worse as it goes on for final zone||

[vernal nacelle]

I mean like... I know XIV has done a lot of good work with setups and payoffs in the past, but the ||last half or so of EW are just ALLLLLLLL about random ass-pulls which feels less fufilling.||

[jolly sierra]

really? i felt like || most things were p well set up||

[humble heron]

I kinda agree but i honestly dont care enough to be mad. It was about the journey less so the destination

[naive barn]

To be fair, the breadcrumbs it was gonna happen have been there since forever. || You never considered that breaking the Ascians solution to the Final Days may have some negative side effects? ||

[jaunty herald]

||saying that before zenos breaks into the final arena and starts questioning you why havent you slapped the bitch to death yet||

[indigo shale]

the only ass pull stuff in EW ||was the azem stone, its still the worst thing to ever be added to the story, just feels like it removes the possibility of anything happening to main characters, only chars we know for 5 minutes we cant save with the azem stone||

[naive barn]

|| I've been WAITING for that for a while, honestly. Stopping the rejoinings and ending Zodiark didn't ever actually address the question "What started the Final Days?" ||

[jolly sierra]

tbf i kinda feel like || if we let zodiark go fandaniel was gonna eventually control him and off himself. kind of a damned if you do, damned if you dont moment.||

|| i think killing him then was the right choice honestly ||

[gloomy estuary]

Level 90 gear || FINALLY, I CAN BE CUTE! And I'm gonna buy out tataru's clothing if it's good just you watch, I love her so much. Lalafell unite||

[jaunty herald]

||i thought it was amaurotians using too much aether thus making the planet run low on it but this was a much better explanation||

[minor wren]

||Even the Watcher was going to put Zodiark back in it's prison.||

[humble heron]

Ur lala is always cute, silly

[gloomy estuary]

[vernal nacelle]

@naive barn Nah, that kind of thing makes sense. And of course we were expecting to find out ||what CAUSED the Final Days exactly. It's just the stuff they put it alongside that feels... out of place somehow.||

[humble heron]

At least it isnt game of thrones

[naive barn]

|| I agree, but I mean the story overall. Even the lyrics to Answers is the actual answer to Meteion. We just didn't know the question. ||

[vernal nacelle]

One thing that HASN'T been explained yet and it doesn't seem like it will be is|| exactly how the 3 Unsundered managed to be, well... unsundered though.|| I was expecting an answer to that.

[jaunty herald]

they were on a business trip to hawaii

[vernal nacelle]

Also something that doesn't make sense (and was even brought up in EW, iirc) ||is that in ShB it's said the Final Days began with a sound from beneath the earth, a "keening" I think they said. But then you find out the Final Days comes from outer space so what's the sound... ?????||

[naive barn]

|| They were all part of the original sacrifice to Zodiark. When Zodiark was Sundered, they escape. Not to mention, but the seat of Emet-Selch is the overseer of the Aetherial Sea/Underworld. But, it is ENTIRELY possible they were freed or spared by Hydealen because of what we told her. Without them, we wouldn't have reached the end, so it could just be Light God Fuckery ||

[indigo shale]

||none of the convocation were sacrificed or planned to be, only the general populace||

[naive barn]

|| The Song of Oblivion. Meteion and her sisters song. It was a sound, just not from earth. ||

[indigo shale]

||and most likely elidibus saved them, because lahabrea and emet were his best friends, it would make 0 sense for venat to spare them as that goes against her wanting to free the word from temptation||

[jaunty herald]

||elidibus was the heart of zodiark||

[naive barn]

|| Could have sworn they were. Elidibus even served as the heart. ||

[vernal nacelle]

@naive barn Yeah, it's specifically said to|| come from beneath the earth though, and I remember a dialogue choice in EW when someone's asking you how the Final Days started and you can say it came from underground.||

[indigo shale]

||oh yeah elidibus was chosen to become the heart, but none of the other convocation were going to be sacrificed, but my point still stands, venat werent going to spare anyone from the sundering,||

[vernal nacelle]

@jaunty herald Elidibus would have had to leave Zodiark before the Sundering though because he left Zodiark when his people were conflicted over whatever.

[late aurora]

No ||laha and igeyorhm|| were

[naive barn]

|| Yeah, but their survival would have been necessary to fit the reality of EXACTLY what the WoL told Venat. If it changed, she easily could have not had her champion. So it wouldn't surprise me if she ensured things unfolded as foretold. ||

[vernal nacelle]

On a totally unrelated note, the EW BRD AF set is an absolute banger though. I just wish the hat was maybe 85% the size and had Miqo'te ear holes. I miss Miqo'te ear holes, why did they stop putting them in?

[indigo shale]

||but that wouldnt explain before the loop, for why she would do that||

[thorny flax]

I wish SE would stop making 2 different DNC sets. the male one looks like shit

male one looks just always inferior compared to the female one

[jaunty herald]

have you seen the tomestone caster set?

[vernal nacelle]

The fem DNC set is fantastic. It's hard to tell from screenshots but the texture they used looks soooo silky up close, it's great.

[jaunty herald]

i look like cracked out peter pan

[jolly sierra]

|| thats the fucky thing about time loops, they dont actually ever start ||

[thorny flax]

there's in general a bias towards female characters in this game regarding glamour and I hate it

[indigo shale]

||for that information was only known by her from when we went to elpis, which wouldnt have happened till it did||

[naive barn]

|| At the start of the expansion, she says "I'll fulfill the promise made in a different time, a different age." The loop had already occurred. The loop had always been there. This is just the first time we experienced it ||

[vernal nacelle]

@thorny flax Though they did put pants on the fem BRD and SCH sets this expansion.

[thorny flax]

the SCH set looks amazing btw

[indigo shale]

||i hate time travel stuff, and this game keeps doing it||

[naive barn]

Belts were taken out of the game because of the GNB set. I apologize for nothing.

[jolly sierra]

||i love time travel stuff ||

look just be glad we're only ||one timeloop deep||

[indigo shale]

it just makes things more confusing, ||as now we have a 2 closed loops and a diverged timeline plus another loop from that because of the tycoon||

[jolly sierra]

it could be worse. it could be so much worse

||whats the second loop and diverged timeline||

[thorny flax]

time travel in FF7 or KH3

[granite nimbus]

||There's the Alex loop where you prove yourself to him in the future and go back in time to save your previous selves from Quickthinx's timestop and the diverged timeline is G'raha's 8th Umbral Calamity bad future.||

[jolly sierra]

oh right

[naive barn]

|| To be fair, traveling back for information, and acknowledging the paradox of "You cannot influence time, because by deciding to come back in time it has already happened" is a lot better than "Go back, stab Meteion while she's still adorable. ||

[vernal nacelle]

Oh one thing I -really- wish SE would do (unrelated from story) is get better at mob placement. I mean they're WoW vanilla-era in the way they do overworld mobs. I mean WoW has LONG AGO done stuff with like... animals roaming in packs, humanoid mobs patrolling / in little campsites / etc. But SE still just randomly plops down a bunch of identical mobs and has them path around.

[indigo shale]

||funnily enough, it was impossible to stop anyway, even if we killed that metion||

[thorny flax]

it depends on the zone. In Eureka and Bozja the mobs have fixed paths. It's mostly just in the normal overworld

[naive barn]

Agreed

[indigo shale]

||because there were thousands of metions jumping from star to star so one dying affects nothing, only difference would be that we would be a monster because we time travelled killed a child then ran off||

[thorny flax]

I learned that in the most painful way btw

[naive barn]

I barely acknowledge mobs outside of dungeons and required beatdowns 😂

[granite nimbus]

It's less of a pain for me since you can easily break aggro once you get flight.

[mortal barn]

lol done in for the cold first try. I was about just throw a towel to play it at very easy. What a pain.

[indigo shale]

||hermes would still come to the same conclusion about the celestial shroud anyway, forstalling the final days||

[jolly sierra]

|| im just thinking but like that means that venat would have needed to jump timelines at some point, if split timelines exist ||

[vernal nacelle]

Skybox in the last zone is just fan-fucking-tastic.

[cloud roost]

still trying to figure out zone 6's ost's exact lyrics
||a lot of sources seem to hear it as "Rises on a memory born from the ashes" but I'm certain it says "Rises on a land reborn from the ashes", and i still can't figure out what the last word is in "Every word on our hearts..." is||

[thorny flax]

I highly recommend Eureka. Mobs there have interesting mechanics. For example sleeping enemies where you can prevent aggro by rp walking. Or mobs you won't pull if you are out of their sight

[naive barn]

|| I'm thinking it's pretty obvious by his need to leave that G'raha's old timeline was ended by the Final Days ||

[jaunty herald]

wasnt it the rejoining?

[jolly sierra]

|| no im not talking about graha, his timejump is whatever, but prove that split timelines exist||

[indigo shale]

yeah, that poor timeline we left to get fucked, its a shame we ended up saving everything but also nothing at the time in SHB

[naive barn]

|| Actually thinking about it, I think it was Black Rose ||

[glad maple]

I just finished endwalker || holy shit was this the best story ever written or what? I wanna cry😭😭 ||

[supple saffron]

Loporrits as playable race when

[naive barn]

Same

[solemn kiln]

Pretty sure there’s a side story that says that graha’s original timeline is alive and well

[glad maple]

Omg I would Become one on the spot

[cloud roost]

||The calamity caused by Black Rose and the destruction of the First in that timeline led to a complete degeneration of society, and it was the avoidance of that dark future that made the Ironworks open the Crystal Tower and send G'raha back, to save a future they would never see||

[glad maple]

If I skip the credit will it skip the story?

[cloud roost]

nope, just the credits

[naive barn]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

God, all my friends are taking fucking FOREVER to play through MSQ because Halo or work, so I've been DYIIIING to talk to someone lol

[slate ridge]

||big bro you were supposed to get me Wendy’s… anyways I think I’m near the end of the msq||

[naive quest]

Should I do trust or DF for the last trial?

[granite nimbus]

Level 89 trial or the Level 90 trial?

[naive quest]

90

[cloud roost]

i know the pain, i want one of my friends to see a certain scene (||zenos battle||) after the last trial so badly

[indigo shale]

||well you can only DF it, there is no trust for last trial||

[naive barn]

|| If you are referring to the 89 trial, trust ||

[granite nimbus]

||Level 90 trial doesn't have the Trust option.||

[thorny flax]

what's the best way currently to farm tomestones?

[naive quest]

||The fight against metetion?|| That's what I mean. Is it a dungeon?

[granite nimbus]

Poetics or Aphorism?

[thorny flax]

aphorism

[indigo shale]

run the optional dungeons over and over, as well as roulettes

[granite nimbus]

Honestly, just running your daily roulettes with a levelcapped class.

[thorny flax]

already did that but I have some time left so I can farm even more 😄

[naive barn]

In particular a tank ATM for the bonus.

[cloud roost]

Just queue up for the 3 level 90 dungeons and spam them

[thorny flax]

ok. ty

[late aurora]

Just do expert roulette lol

[thorny flax]

SGE is so much fun in dungeons

[naive barn]

Aphorism and EX are the only gear better than the artifact ATM right?

[bleak comet]

Correct me if im wrong, but.. The NPCs in trust dungeons are supposed to know the fucking mechanics, right? lol

[cloud roost]

IIRC you don't get the 80 tomestone completion bonus for doing a dungeon via roulette? (could be wrong)

[jaunty herald]

i fcking love dead ends

[naive barn]

I know || the two bonus dungeons have 560 accessories ||

[cloud roost]

Yes but they can get a bit confused if they have to move a massive distance or have to deal with 2 mechanics at once

[naive quest]

Oh yeah, but sometimes they still fuck up

[thorny flax]

sometimes alisae does mechanics intentionally wrong so it fits her character

[cloud roost]

(and EW trial 2 they fuck up the ring mechanic)

[thorny flax]

for example standing in shit so she can continue to attack

[bleak comet]

these mfers just abandoned me with a stacking mechanic. Let me die. And ofc, since for whatever reason, NPCs cant rez you mid-boss fight, i gotta start over lol

[naive quest]

What I meant was the fight against ||metty|| Is it a dungeon?

[naive barn]

|| The fucking Flood of Light in Hydalaens trial wiped the entire party 😂 ||

[jaunty herald]

so you're saying alisaie is going to be a blm next expansion yelling at alphinaud to adapt

[thorny flax]

lmao

[late aurora]

Were there 3 bosses sandwiched between trash mobs? Then no it’s not a dungeon

[gleaming garden]

They really decided they didn't like that stack marker

[naive barn]

Everytime I see this, I remember the Shirk button exists...

[thorny flax]

god I always hate that shit when I play BLM and can stand in shit bc of mana ward and some healer rescues me out of it and therefore I lose dps

[naive quest]

So it's a trial?

[jaunty herald]

i did that but then i got 1 shot cuz of the vuln up debuff

[naive barn]

"TANK GRAB AGGRO GOD"
"BLM adjust."

[thorny flax]

there's no reason to move as long as I survive it without bothering the healer in terms of forcing them to use gcd heals

[jaunty herald]

ew is sick with 1 shots

[cloud roost]

Out of the four last duties you complete for the MSQ—||the Aitiascope, the Mothercrystal, the Dead Ends, and the Final Day||—the first and third are dungeons, second and fourth are trials, you can only do the first of those three using Trust. The fourth cannot use the Trust system. The second is unique in being the only trial that can use the Trust system.

[jaunty herald]

final day ex when

[late aurora]

Spoiler

[cloud roost]

6.1, prepare yourself for people dying to ||planets||

[naive quest]

My question is it easer with trust or DF? the third one you mentioned

[naive barn]

In reality I've started saving Heart of Light specifically for this

[cloud roost]

Probably easier with Trusts, because they will do mechanics perfectly most of the time (so you can follow them) and play the dungeon at your pace. Faster with players/duty finder, especially if you're a tank/healer.

[naive quest]

Got ya. Thank you

[naive barn]

DF will nearly always be easier on a dungeon, due to NPCs being bad at AOE. Buuuut, YMMV

I play GNB so no AOE means it becomes harder to survive mob pulls.

[naive quest]

I normally try with trust on dungeons, but if it ends up like being stupid because AI (I'm looking at you.... Alphinaud) dies due to something easily missed, I go with DF.

[naive barn]

That said the || Elpis dungeon and Hydealan are always Trust, no exceptions ||

[naive quest]

I learned that the hard way. 🙂

[indigo shale]

||well unless you get enough of "i see you, opening"||

[naive barn]

|| Do you SEE it, tho? Do you? ARE YOU SURE?! ||

[gaunt star]

The end of the journey, forward onto a new dawn!

[slate ridge]

||in the quest you're not alone, i saw a post where theres a list of people who you will hear voices of when you hear them. i forgot where it is and who is mentioned||

[cloud roost]

||https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/rdd7cm/spoilers_60_voices_from_the_past/||

[slate ridge]

ok

[jaunty herald]

i miss haurchebro

[tidal mauve]

https://youtu.be/e-w6yzSIJxM

[indigo shale]

oh jesse cox is finally doing the MSQ, finally ive been waiting for him to start it proper

[half phoenix]

And he’ll still finish it before Strippin XD

[minor wren]

lmao

[glad maple]

|| anyone else feel empty after finishing endwalket? I can’t believe the scions disbanded😭😭😭 ||

[wheat stag]

YES

[glad maple]

😭😭😭

[wheat stag]

I also cried for like

5 hours straight last week

[jolly sierra]

YES OMG

[glad maple]

I want to go back now😭

[jolly sierra]

|| endwalker has honestly been so good to me. feels like it's really managed to grasp the core of who i am and show it to me ||

||i've spent at least 5-6 hours just reflecting on myself and who i wanna be after i finished it||

|| when i wasnt crying anyway ||

[glad maple]

Same with me:( || this expansion really hit me and brought forth so many question I never thought off ||

[frosty jolt]

||the mounts for the extreme trials shouldve been different colored argos||

[jolly sierra]

|| tbh i dont. the scions splitting up and moving on with things they wanna do is honestly something im super happy to see. love seeing my friends achieve their goals. also you can go around visiting them ||

[glad maple]

|| but it’s like they been together so long and seeing them gone now feels so weird, since the game came out many years ago when been together now it’s all over ||

|| also meteo has to be the most broken ff villain, I don’t think any final ff game has gone to that grand of a scale with there villain ||

[jolly sierra]

|| and yet, its a situation i've found myself in irl at least a couple times since i started playing the game. graduating high school is the main one that comes to mind ||

[frosty jolt]

||ff8 and exdeath||

[jolly sierra]

|| and also it's not all over. you'll see them again for sure. and lorewise you're just a linkpearl away||

||friends together in spirit but not in body ||

[glad maple]

|| you think ultamicia is more op then endsinger? End singer destroys planets and worlds at the end of the universe ||

[lean ore]

man i was in queue for 5 hours

first time since early access /cry

[glad maple]

Me everyday after work😩

[frosty jolt]

imagine going to work

[jolly sierra]

imagine playing during the day

[lean ore]

i have class at 3 pm, coming back home either 7 or 8, its literal hell xD

[frosty jolt]

i dont have to imagine

[jolly sierra]

6am bitchesssssssssss

||its me, i'm 6am bitches||

[lean ore]

damn

[glad maple]

I spend like 2 to 3 hours trying to log in so what makes it worst is you have to pay attention just in case you get kicked from Que

[frosty jolt]

soo, how long until the queue is fixed?

[indigo shale]

ive been sitting in ||ultima thule for 16 hours waiting for this damn robot fuck to spawn||

[jolly sierra]

i mean it's about as good as its gonna get honestly imo

[hollow ice]

ymean how long till less people play at one time

[jolly sierra]

try 2 weeks when people do normal raids and unsub

[glad maple]

Also || I’m confused about one thing, meteo did not die in the end? I know she was gonna do one last song she said did she do it and die somewhere? ||

[hollow ice]

||no||

[glad maple]

When raid out?

[hollow ice]

like next week

[jolly sierra]

have u finished the post credit cutscene

[glad maple]

Next week is 6.1 I need those extra glam chest space

[indigo shale]

6.1 isnt next week, thatll be 6.01 then 6.05

[hollow ice]

6.1 is like a couple months

or 1 month cant remember

[jolly sierra]

probably 3 months

[glad maple]

ugh Can’t come soon enough

[minor wren]

6.01 is next week

[indigo shale]

looking at ShB it was 4 months between 5.0 and 5.1, so probs similar for EW

[glad maple]

Idk if I should remove all my hats from glam chest since I’m a bunny boy and I can’t use them anymore:/

i keep asking myself if bunny ears are really worth never having to use a hat and helmet again

[thorny flax]

reaper is so fun guys

[lean ore]

reaper is the most fun class ive played in the game xD

[thorny flax]

I even gave my avatar a name

I slightly altered the word "Crystal" and I'm now calling him "Cryschtl"

[lean ore]

mine is called Zenos so i can remind ppl he always existed kekw

[next quarry]

you can name the avatar or is this just headcanon

[thorny flax]

headcanon

[lean ore]

headcanon, tho my headcanons never interefere with actual lore

except that Lalafell dont participate in trials, the big bad kicks them off the platforms

[stiff phoenix]

post MSQquestion ||can you find emet in elpis after the game? I forgot to gpose with him and I regret my whole life||

[indigo shale]

i dont think so, as after || elpis he, hermes and hyth are going to amaurot, if they are there most likely they will be outside kitis hyperborea||

[stiff phoenix]

crying in the club

[indigo shale]

however you can run ||dungeons with trusts still, so it might be possible to run kitis with them and possibly do stuff in there,||

[stiff phoenix]

yeah i've been doing that but it's quite tricky because ||everyone goes back into formation when you get close to them 😭||

[topaz river]

Give me some of your takes on summoner

Been playing it today and I feel mixed

[dense jackal]

Maybe I missed this in EW or pre-EW but was it ever explained ||how Emet-Selch, Lahabrea and Elidibus remained unsundered?||

I only got my SMN to level 65 before 6.0, so I have yet to play SMN at 90, but so far the changes I've experienced are nice. It feels like an actual rotation now. We'll see how it is at max

[static niche]

i'm still sad we never got to ||fight zenos!us in a solo duty with/without friends||

||was the code they used to do DRK 50 lost or something?||

[topaz river]

I think current SMN is a good foundation but it needs a lot of work

[static niche]

what kind of works on what?

[static niche]

what's ||kitis again?||

[topaz river]

It feels real boring to play at 80 and feels even worse at lower levels. And 80 -> 90 does improve it but not much

[thorny flax]

SMN being only a foundation currently is 100% what they planned for Endwalker. They should design the job in a way now that players want and listen to feedback

[static niche]

ah true, that's just how leveling can get

[indigo shale]

dungeon in ||elpis, where you fight hermes||

[topaz river]

It need more things to weave

That’s really it

It feels really boring when you go Bahamut and then you akh morn + death flare and all of a sudden you have nothing left to do except press 1 button until he goes away

All those instant casts and hardly anything to weave with them

[static niche]

Similar to MNK then, they give you perfect balance to weave but they don't give you the Day and Night mechanic yet till 60 or so, making it feel worthless to even use.

[thorny flax]

I hope they add more summons as ogcd abilities

[static niche]

like cmon bro, let me leap kick or heel kick

[topaz river]

MNK but you press Bootshine for 10 seconds and only bootshine

That’s what SMN feels like

Lol

[static niche]

ow.
mnk need dragon kick to make bootshine even better

i imagine you don't get anything like that to make it feel nice

[topaz river]

There’s also really no differences between the primals. Ifrit is the most restrictive but has the same damage as Garuda and Titan generally

[gaunt star]

Man... it has been SO long since I felt so satisfied after finishing a game

[static niche]

so they're all aoe for same-ish dmg?

what's the fucking point then unless they give buffs to party?

[topaz river]

They don’t

It’s just damage

[static niche]

TRASH

[topaz river]

At 86 Garuda gets the wind puddle for aoe

Ifrit gets the melee combo and Titan gets some weaves

That’s it

[static niche]

now i'm actually starting to miss fist of fire, earth and wind even more

[topaz river]

SMN overall DPS right now is comparable with phys ranged

BLM and RDM are far higher

[thorny flax]

job design seems overall really good this expansion. SMN has a great foundation, SCH feels insane now with the ghosting fix, DRK is still a problem, MNK I dunno, Sage is fun, WHM is fun as well but I wish they would add more ogcd's for weaving, I hate AST but I can understand why a lot of people love it now

[static niche]

wait. wait. WAIt. i'm reading that right? RDM outdpsing smn?

[topaz river]

RDM outdamages NIN currently lol

[wheat stag]

The ghosting is still there but not nearly as bad

[topaz river]

It’s busted

[static niche]

how the fuck/

[topaz river]

Though it’s worth pointing out that this is bound to change by .05

[static niche]

I'm evil now i guess

[topaz river]

I don’t think SMN will ever need a super mega rework ever again but they need to build on what’s already there sooner rather than later

Because atm it plays like a snooze fest with almost no benefit gameplay wise

[thorny flax]

SGE has some really weird issues I hope they will fix. Phlegma's range is not fun. SGE shouldn't need to go in melee range just so they can use it. And MP reg being tied to the resource sucks as well

[static niche]

so basically. smn/sch are snoozefest for the expansion?

[topaz river]

SCH is fine

[thorny flax]

SCH is good right now

[static niche]

they're not as cool as other healers though i heard

[topaz river]

And yes I don’t like Phlegma range

And some of the heal potencies feel underwhelming

[static niche]

phlegma balls gottem

[topaz river]

But damage and mitigation are insane

You can hold a 10% mitigation on the tank for absurdly long time

[static niche]

imagine that on a pld

[thorny flax]

Kerachole is really fucking busted right now

[topaz river]

Haima and Panhaima are busted in dungeons

And kerachole is way too good to be 30s yes

[thorny flax]

10% dmg reduction + 500 potency regen

[topaz river]

SGE’s weakness is that it can’t really handle situations that call for a lot of direct healing. Which is technically purposeful but I feel SCH can do better in that department

[gaunt star]

I personally enjoy warrior a lot, but not a fan of inner release being stacks

[static niche]

you know what though?
i feel like they updated tit physic this expansion. i'm really noticing my bunnytits more often as monk (cuz she's glamed with griffin coat)

[topaz river]

You can ignore mechanics with new IR it’s great lol

[gaunt star]

And maybe add 1 more OGCD to make the job even more fast paced

[static niche]

how?

[gaunt star]

But for the love of God... we need better animations

[topaz river]

It has knockback immunity and you can hold it for longer than you could in ShB

[static niche]

||i'm enjoying being casually ignored on my nonsenses.||

[topaz river]

Couple that with your healing and you can just eat things sometimes

[static niche]

wait, do IR go on cd when it's used and you can hold stacks till it almost wears off?

[gaunt star]

True but it doesn't feel as pumping as before

[thorny flax]

the problem with sage's resource is that all the options except for kerachole and maybe taurochole feel very underwhelming. as soon as both are on cooldown you have nothing left that feels satisfying to use.

[topaz river]

You can hold stacks

[gaunt star]

The moment you cast it cd starts

[topaz river]

Also for SGE toxikon needs a potency buff

[thorny flax]

and you can't save them like lily's on whm because you lose mp regen if you don't spend them

[gaunt star]

But seriously, if war got 1 extra ogcd to fill the holes and reworked most animations, it would feel amazing

[static niche]

same for drk. that bloodspiller feels lackluster for being a literal SPILL DEM BLOOD fellcleave

[gaunt star]

I would gladly give devs some ideas to make war feel more war

[static niche]

you know what i means right?
it's just casually lift the greatsword up, spin it around in your hand as if it's a treestick then gently land it at the feet of your foe and a purple (or was it red) beam shoots up

[thorny flax]

I hope that changing Requiescat on PLD is a good sign for DRK that SE reworks it to be more about MP management

[static niche]

i thought drk had good mana management?

[thorny flax]

because now the mp management niche is free

yeah but PLD worked with MP too which made DRK less unique

[static niche]

fair point, i barely even need mana on pld when i use requiescat. i only even run out if i'm spamming spells anyway

like when I had to duo a boss with healer and 1 dps dead (luckily we had a rdm lol)
twice.

this was for 90 msq dungeon btw, you know the struggle

[gaunt star]

Meanwhile here as a war, stance sucks, auto attack sucks, combos suck (way too fast and no power behind them), main abilities suck because let's be honest fell cleave , upheaval etc just outright look ass

Like, when I play warrior I expect massive power behind Blows, not fast attacks

[thorny flax]

I really like that they didn't change PLD that much. Endwalker PLD is probably the best version of the job in terms of gameplay

[gaunt star]

Btw, I'm talking ANIMATION NOT VFX, before ppl start mentioning those

[static niche]

the only annoyance i have with pld is if you fatfinger other combo skills while you have valor chaining it cancels that chain

did you even see war's fc animation?

[gaunt star]

Yes

[static niche]

they slams it down at midpoint then jerk it back. literally sawing?

[gaunt star]

You mean chopping wood

[static niche]

i means you're not wrong

[gaunt star]

The sawing comes from vfx

[static niche]

you clearly didn't see the animation then. they midpoint slam, then jerk it back

i mained warrior fyi

[gaunt star]

?

[static niche]

yeah everyone's facepalming for u

[topaz river]

PLD just needs potency buffs in 6.05 and it’s fine for the rest of the expansion

[static niche]

go rewatch the fellcleave animation.

[gaunt star]

Do you know the difference between vfx and animations 😂

[static niche]

but where specifically? I assume for valor chains?

since they feels disappointing when it goes from that big dick burst of a sword to pisspoor tickle damage afterward

till valor where it kinda equalize the damage

[naive barn]

Heart of Corundrum. My class is doing good😂

[dusky shoal]

never did i think urianger would make me cry, i was wrong

[supple saffron]

is the 90 artifact gear locked behind MSQ? or can I get it even if I havent finished?

[sour perch]

it's locked behind msq yes

[supple saffron]

ty

[hollow wraith]

where is ||Cid|| man why did ||Alphinaud call up every gods damned character to help with the engine EXCEPT Cid||

[cloud roost]

but they were there

[hollow wraith]

well I haven't seen him yet so I'm going to continue to be mad about it until I do

[glad maple]

Omg I suck with healer now lol

Or maybe I just suck with sage lol

[hollow wraith]

SGE is a bit weird coming from WHM imo

not a bad thing but it's something to get used to

[sonic estuary]

kinda sad how ||we didn't get to see fordola or arenvald in 6.0||

[humble heron]

||they are in the healer role questline||

[sonic estuary]

oh that's why lol

I only finished the msq, not ||role quests yet||

[naive quest]

I finished the whole msq and I cried hard. Such a good game

[topaz river]

Yes those

Those have lower potencies than they should

[humble heron]

I assume the balance team will press the balance buttons and fix it

[sonic estuary]

I started crying when (6.0 ending spoiler) ||hythlodaeus and emet selch showed up, and then my friends came back and I felt stupid||

[jade relic]

I cried ||literally the whole walk and the whole cutscene after|| I was a mess

[humble heron]

Same

[glad maple]

yoo || I don’t know how to spell his and but hyplodeus is such a cool and awesome character, he’s so pretty too I hope we see more of him in the future ||

[glad maple]

I cried || the whole expansion lol ||

[static niche]

oh i noticed a needed adjustment for monk, elixer field an aoe skill that you need to spam one stance 3 times is 600 potency for first enemy hit and 70% less for rest. flint strike, all 3 stance, also 600 potency and 70% less for rest. then there's one stance twice and different stance, celestial revolution for 450 potency on one target, nothing else.

good meme SE

who literally would ever use celestial revolution at all

[humble heron]

Thats the point, i think

[blazing edge]

random AFKer in the middle of Ishgard weird

[static niche]

no it's not! you can just spam arm of destroyer/shadow of destroyer and do more dmg to a single target than dragon kick, twin snake, bootshine and celestial revolution

[static niche]

feel free to report, they're bypassing afk timer assuming they're moving around

[naive quest]

I cried || when you are fighting and all of them are praying for you. And then at the end when you wake up and my three favorite characters were crying. And the end. I’m such a mess. ||

[humble heron]

Oh, i just mean celestial revolution doing less because its not one of the pathways that benefit monk

[static niche]

i means yeah since elixer field could just do the same opening but still, why bother having it at all

[humble heron]

Keeps you on your toes

[static niche]

so rabbit meme?

[humble heron]

But also makes it so that if you mess up you arent entirely sol like rabbit

[static niche]

we don't need more of that nonsense outside ninja tyvm

[humble heron]

I mean tbh i dont play monk so im mostly speaking out my ass and can only make assumptions. We will see what 6.05 brings

[static niche]

well unless it add 3 crit stacks for your next 3 weaponskills, it's gonna be garbage

[humble heron]

Maybe it gives you a hug

[static niche]

[gaunt star]

I ugly sobbed (ending) ||when g'raha was sacrificing himself, I knew the friends would return but the way he went destroyed me, he's my husband||

[bleak comet]

Can I safely skip the credits?

[glossy hemlock]

Okay yeah that part was pretty sad

[static niche]

yes.

[gaunt star]

Don't

[bleak comet]

im getting conflicting answers here

[static niche]

the credits itself if it's just 'cut of scenes' from previous expansion is skippable

[glossy hemlock]

The credits just show screenshots of past characters and all that.

[gaunt star]

Or do, whatever your perogative

I think you can skip it when it's just dark and the credits for like, the European tech team is scrolling lol

But then don't skip after

[static niche]

you should only stay credit if it's continuing the story or just something new

afaik There's two credit scenes, stay first, skip 2nd, stay 3rd.

[wind bough]

The credits are safe to skip

Skipping will take you to the end bit ||with the “Warrior of Light” credits and the Scions walking||

They are safe as always

[static niche]

you forgot the credit ||during you getting miracle teleported to ragnarok||

that one you don't skip either

[wind bough]

Obviously that’s still a cutscene and people who want the cutscenes aren’t going to skip it

Wtf why would you even bring it up lmao

[static niche]

no cuz it's playing credit

[fickle pivot]

Big spoiler if you trip and fall and accidentally copy and paste this from Discord to your browser, I cannot help you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69x65DsUTcU
Is there a means to procure this orchestrion roll? I'm also looking for Sharlayan's night theme

[static niche]

i was on clock trying to smash enter saying spoilerrrr

[fickle pivot]

This is the 6.0 discussion place 😦

[static niche]

yes but spoiler is spoiler. i got my asscheek clapped for talking about spoiler too.
rather not see others get theirs done in too.
unless they're a douche then i let fate decide.

[fickle pivot]

Yeah, I unembedded, so that's the most I could do

[amber quarry]

Holy shit the scene when leaving ||Elpis|| was awesome.

[humble heron]

@amber quarry i hope you heard it, felt it, and thought about it

[amber quarry]

well the first damn time I heard it and felt it my computer crashed during it.

[hollow ice]

ik im late but you can spoiler links and it will spoil the embed too
also #916247709462200390 exists if you ever need free range spoils

[fickle pivot]

Oh, thanks

I'm a boomer so I didn't know threads existed

[fickle star]

I need the 6.0 OST nowe!

[cloud roost]

if you find it, let us know where

[tranquil gorge]

I’m finally at the level 83 quests …||God they know how to make me feel like a murderer||

[static niche]

||yeah zodiark dindu nuthin||

[bleak comet]

So with these guildship marks. Can I accept them as my level 90, and go do them and turn them all in on say one of my lower leveled chars?

[static niche]

i think that worked before but i'm not so sure now...

[bleak comet]

hmm i see

[hollow ice]

you dont turn them in
you hunt the thing on the bill and the class that finished the bill gets the reward automatically

[static niche]

oh i thought he was talking about something else
i'm feeling stupid

[buoyant drum]

man wanna know what would be cool? Some kind of riot/League of Legends/Arcane X FFXIV crossover event, both companies have been known to do crossovers, and I think aesthetically they aren't terribly incompatible

[static niche]

No.

Nothing with LoL. ever. they're a cesspool, and we don't want to bring those cesspool into ffxiv.

[buoyant drum]

a lot of FFXIV players already play LoL though

[hollow ice]

I still want my Bravely Default Xover square

[static niche]

not really/

[buoyant drum]

its not LoL players that are toxic, its the game design that makes people toxic while they play it, WoW players joining didnt change the community substantially

what do you mean no? I meet lots of FFXIV players who also play LoL

[static niche]

So? Toxic carry over in attitude from habit. Best to simply leave LoL be and let them be one with Fortnite

I'm that kind of toxic and that's from playing LoL for years, I have hard time breaking that.
I'm LoL sober for a year or so now.

[tardy hare]

yay I can finally read all the spoiler tags in this channel without worrying

[buoyant drum]

gatekeeping isnt very nice

[static niche]

LoL players are welcome to try FFXIV, but i don't want collab to encourage a surge of LoL players who haven't tried ffxiv to mess it up more.

[buoyant drum]

FFXIVs game design encourages chillness, especially with some new features they are adding like the island sanctuaries

[static niche]

we already have bullshit with levelskippers trolls, i don't want more of that

[buoyant drum]

levelskippers trolls?

[static niche]

people who started ffxiv for first time but buys level skipper cuz they're impatient and proceed to try high end stuffs.

[hollow ice]

people who level skip and then dont try to learn anything and just complain

[static niche]

yup

[buoyant drum]

i skipped ARR and watched a recap of it during stormblood

[static niche]

troll

[buoyant drum]

i love ffxiv though, i love the story and im very invested

[static niche]

if you haven't newgame+ ARR, you don't.

[buoyant drum]

do you just gatekeep everyone possible

[static niche]

can't truly love the story if you're not playing the harsh part too.

[late aurora]

Harsh part?

[static niche]

FETCH QUESTS

[late aurora]

You do know that’s in every expansion right?

[static niche]

be thankful they cut that down in ARR MSQ, so it's not as bad as before.

oh yes I do, but not the type ARR had.

[hollow ice]

you missed the cheese lorr

[buoyant drum]

i play games to have fun+experience a good story and i wasnt invested enough to go through the pre nerf madness of ARR

[bleak comet]

okay so im in Mare Lamentorum, at 26.1, 17.5
And there is a Aether Current basically right ontop of me, but no where in sight. Theres no platforms above me, and I see no way underground. Wtf lol

[static niche]

well it's nerfed now. so what are you waiting for

[buoyant drum]

i watched the recap so i could do HW and enjoy my limited free time

[static niche]

Where is that exactly?

[bleak comet]

just dont worry about it now i was fucking staring at it lmfao.

[static niche]

ah your mount too fat?

[bleak comet]

yesyes

[static niche]

also... i checked map, how are you even there? it's restriction foot

[bleak comet]

It's just around there

[late aurora]

How about that cave looking area

[static niche]

26.1, 17.5 ???

that's not the coordination you dingdong

[toxic meteor]

just out of curiosity

[bleak comet]

Okay, I see what happened when I typed in the coords, dont ask me about it lmao

[toxic meteor]

what does the trial 1 and trial 2 ex drop? does trial 1 ex drop jewerly? and trial 2 ex is weapons?

[static niche]

yes.

[late aurora]

Ye

[bleak comet]

and mounts i'd assume

[toxic meteor]

i see. what item level?

[static niche]

560 ?

[late aurora]

580

[tardy hare]

580

[toxic meteor]

mounts are obvious i am more concerened with gearing myself for now. and thank you kindly!

[static niche]

20 off. oof

[tardy hare]

560 is required to do the trial, or at least recommended

[static niche]

ah, that explains my derp

[toxic meteor]

i havent finished the story. but i am not planning on finish it until i finish every role quests

[static niche]

finish itttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt

[toxic meteor]

nooo >.< i wanna have some roles to 90 first.

[tardy hare]

Once I got into the groove of the story I couldn't bear to do anything else due to the sense of urgency the msq gave me

[toxic meteor]

if it makes you feel better. i believe i am in the process of getting into the last zone. so it wont take that much time.

[static niche]

oh hype?

[toxic meteor]

i am already lvl 90 on AST but i just havent gotten to the last zone

[static niche]

only healer at 90?

[toxic meteor]

yes. Melee DPS will be 90 soon just 1 more level

[static niche]

by any chance is the dps reaper?

[toxic meteor]

no acutally its a NIN lol

[static niche]

oh the weakest melee dps. good to know

[tardy hare]

my only 90 is drg, I really like how the class flows now

[toxic meteor]

Sadly it does seem like that. but hey its the only one i got to 89

i havent even started the other classes. and thats not entirely true i heard MNK now is the weakest.

[tardy hare]

didn't monk just get a facelift

[static niche]

monk is even stronger

[toxic meteor]

hmmm it seems i heard wrong. How depressing though for my NIN. i may jump to either Samurai or Reaper then

[static niche]

monk is basically permanent crit if you gear well

[toxic meteor]

only if the people have the capacity to gear it well you say

[static niche]

bootshine and shadow of destroyer already always crit when combo

[unkempt osprey]

are sams still top 3 in dps after the patch?

[humble heron]

Sam should always in theory be at the top of the personal dps charts

They are a greedy dps like black mage

[unkempt osprey]

thx

[sonic estuary]

Sooo

Are we supposed to call ||our planet Etheirys or Hydaelyn now||

[static niche]

||etheirys is the correct name, hydaelyn is because of belief in the primal||

[cloud roost]

||the npcs do seem to overwhelmingly call it etheirys now, too||

[glossy hemlock]

For whatever reason.

[mellow nymph]

So i have a question about the second trial for those who did it as a Healer: ||in the trust mode of Hydaelin fight, if you go as Healer, how much the party comp changes between all members? I know Graha can be anything but i was surprised to see Urianger can be a DPS for that fight||

[static niche]

what job?

[mellow nymph]

I went as a NIN in my case so there wasnt much change || Graha took the Tank spot|| but id imagine that any healer may change that comp a lot

[kindred urchin]

Hey guys uh, ||is it healthy for me to keep seeing the cutscene of my body getting snatched by zenos||

||and this is a VIVID memory||

[humble heron]

||i mean, its certainly a visceral moment. i wouldnt be too concerned||

[hollow ice]

||you can see exactly what roles each character can fill at the bottom of their portrait in the trust menu||

[mellow nymph]

Oh i see

Thanks

[frosty jolt]

||i dont like any of the people in garlemald||

||its very hard to feel sorry for them when they actively avoid your help||

[mint surge]

Its what propaganda does to a country.

[kindred urchin]

||I think my entire time in garlemald kinda... kinda hit me a bit||

[mint surge]

|| I doubt that if you were fed propaganda from a young age that painted the rest of the world as savages, were fed lies about them killing the leader who kept you “safe” etc, you’d be willing to get help from them. Freezing to death, starving. The only thing you have left at that point is pride. Pride to not take help from your enemy.||

|| if there is nothing left of your home but to take help from your enemy, then suicide might be the easier option, or you know. Despair.||

[fickle star]

||It's tragic||

[mint surge]

|| to the people in garlemald, your name is spoken in fear. You’re not The warrior of light, the liberator. You’re The warrior of light, the mass murder.||

[tardy hare]

||Quintus's death was definitely one of the things that unsettled me most in the expac. It's such a...realistic way of dying for a game full of magic and fantasy, and he did it to preserve his dignity, a prevalent theme in that segment||

[mint surge]

|| people love to give this expansion shit but as someone who’s dealing with a lot of despair and is confused about their path in life, it has helped me put things into perspective ||

[tardy hare]

I have not seen this 'giving the expansion shit' thing. All I've seen is praise and a few people who didn't like certain things or segments

[mint surge]

Spend 1 second on the forums

[tardy hare]

Oh I don't look at the forums lmao

[mint surge]

Then i suggest that you continue to not do that. People on there are so mad about the expansion being bad writing 💀

[humble heron]

and they could do any better?

[tardy hare]

I thought the writing was good. Went in a few ways I didn't expect. I predicted the outcomes but the way they got there was something I could've never thought up

[mint surge]

||Pacing issues were expected but i think it’s more about the fact that people struggle to put themselves in other people’s shoes. Which was a huge theme.||

[tardy hare]

I just started glancing at the forums, it really is bad lmao

lot of malding

[mint surge]

|| personally i got really scared for my own character near the ending when we had the option to lash out and put our foot down against the sacrifices. I thought we were gonna lose it||

||which is great. Because even the greatest hero is just a person.||

[pulsar current]

thats the forums for ya, gotta be angy or no one will care

[undone iris]

Chi destroying instances be like

[sudden spruce]

Are people not happy with ew story? I personally find it quite good. Exceeded my expectation after shb, which I didnt think would happen.

[mint sail]

First rule: you can't please everyone

[sudden spruce]

Your name,i like it

[raven canopy]

If there is anything i would criticize the game is ||they are way too forgiving to people who did alot of bad shit||

[sudden spruce]

^yeah thats a recurring theme

And while the story wont please everyone, i cant say its bad writing.

[raven canopy]

||But on the other hand we cant really weave in our morallity and values the same way to the game.

In which the situation are more dire, and more urgent that needs more help from people who can help soo i dont really mind it||

||crazy how an existential crisis of a man resulting in the sundering of the world||

[sudden spruce]

Feels pain

[raven canopy]

||and wiping of 3/4 of their entire population||

[sudden spruce]

||although as i understand, hermes and meteion simply put us in a radar faster. We'd eventually have to face the festering but maybe in a few more hundred years or somethng|| ?

[raven canopy]

||meteion is very sensitive to dynamis, i think the impact of her sisters going to a dying world affect them thats why they say they lend their voices||

||they are lending their voices for the dying world||

Thats how i see it atleast

[sudden spruce]

||was thinking that other worlds were slowly dying from the fester, idk if thats before or after meteions sister went tho...i feel like meteion simply made the fester stronger and more focused||

[raven canopy]

As for ||hermes||

[sudden spruce]

I literally jumped ||when we met meteion in the ship, shes looking down and her head suddenly snaps up with THAT sound||

Someone call a priest

[raven canopy]

I dunno ||hermes justification for his action is just fallacious argument||

||i guess it shows that even in the "perfect" world of the ancient like how emet sees it, the people there are all not perfect||

[mint sail]

take pictures of the final zone when you get there

[sudden spruce]

I'll say, ||im not convinced with hermes reasons leading to his decision, it felt...i dunno weak?? But its a real life thing to have a weak reason leading bad decisions so eh||

[mint sail]

imo ||Hermes went way too up his own arse about his ideals after Meteion came back with the report||

[raven canopy]

||i mean hermes reasons sucks, even emet think its bullshit. It just when ur a broken man not everything u do have solid reasoning behind it||

||its nice to see tho how different emet from the past and current emet ||

[sudden spruce]

Perhaps ||hyaedelyn was right, we did deserve to get sundered or else, head stuck in the bum like you know who||

[sudden spruce]

Still tsundere

[raven canopy]

||i guess that what happen when u feel like u fail the entire population and losing one of your friend (sacrificed to zodiark) and one of your friend being branded as a traitor because cant support the zodiark summoning||

[sudden spruce]

Yo i felt so sad ||seeing hades hand curl with grief and regret after hythlo waved him goodbye to get sacrificed||

[mint sail]

||well, he was also having a crisis of faith about the "who are you to judge whose fate to live or die" thing since that's what all his compatriots were doing||

[raven canopy]

||venat was right to sunder the whole world, because with that we begin to learn how to fight on dispait and have hope in our heart that the future gonna be better||

Because ||the ancient was so stuck to the past, even emet admits that he was so focused to the past and thats why he lost||

[mint sail]

||he wanted the ultimate affirmation to his belief that all life is precious and has meaning, instead of anything promising but imperfect being deleted||

[tardy hare]

||venat also sundered the world to decrease the concentration of aether in any one individual, to give them a better fighting chance against someone and a place who uses dynamis as their primary source||

[sudden spruce]

If ||venat didnt sunder us, we would not have heard of the critically acclaimed MMORPG Final Fantasy XIV? With an expanded free trial which you can play through the entirety of A Realm Reborn and the award winning Heavensward expansion up to level 60 for free with no restrictions on playtime.||

[raven canopy]

I think ||she is fine (like understand) with sacrificing half to forstall the final days but what she cant accept is the ancient cant seem to accept and move on but instead going around and sacrificing more lifes so the ancient can have the past they loved so much||

||nah the rejoining weaken her, and the issue is venat becomes hydelyn from her alone no other life is sacrificed||

[sudden spruce]

I think ||she was mostly weak from the rejoinings and not bc of us fighting her||

[mint sail]

About that, ||we didn't see Elidibus at any point in the Elpis arc, did we||

[raven canopy]

||elidibus is the one speaking post credit scene, i think we do pandemonium with him||

[mint sail]

unless it will be explained in the panda raids

[granite nimbus]

||She explicitly saved a large chunk of aether to test us and the Scions, so she was giving it her all and fighting at as close to maximum power as she could.||

[raven canopy]

||thats why he sees us in the past||

[tardy hare]

||no we didn't but as the post credits demonstrated, he was there talking about pandaemonium||

[sudden spruce]

||elidibuddy will be our guide in pandae prob||

[raven canopy]

||will we be getting explanation on why lahabread is weak||

[sudden spruce]

Wet bread got soggy

[granite nimbus]

||We got that in Tales from the Shadows. Body hopping reduces an Ascian's power. Lahabrea bodyhopped so much that his power dropped to that of a sundered Ascian's.||

||Before then, he was on par with Elidibus and Emet. But his impatience to get the rejoinings going led to his downfall, not to mention the loss of his sanity.||

[sudden spruce]

He went outfit shopping so much his ascian credit got nuked

[granite nimbus]

Pretty much.

[slender siren]

||elidibus in elpis||

[raven canopy]

||Nah we never have the memories of pre sundered azem i think||

[tardy hare]

I was kinda disappointed we didn't see ||azem to be honest, even though I'm 90% sure they would've looked exactly like us due to emet's descriptions||

[raven canopy]

||Wait emet just says our soul color looks like azem||

Dont think he says ||we look alike||

[tardy hare]

||emet|| also says something like ||"it doesn't help that they look like the spitting image of them"||

[raven canopy]

Hmm, damn i miss that then. I really shouldve taking notes while playing

[mint sail]

I only really remember the soul colour thing

[raven canopy]

Memories be foggy cuz too much crying

[tardy hare]

It was near the beginning

[raven canopy]

||im just happy hydelyn isnt evil and venat is a great character||

[sudden spruce]

Id like a confirmation but ||everything that happened pre and post arr is due to us going back in time this expac? Like venat prob wouldnt have the idea of summoning hydaelyn had we not went back in time to give her that idea?? So is it a self fulfilling prophecy, i am actually confused with the flow of what come first, or should i look at pre arr to the point of us going back in time as one loop??||

[raven canopy]

||everything that happens now is because we go to the past, because venat remembers she dont go and ask the convocation of the 14 help and began to work independently and that leads to her being hydelyn. All of this wont happen if we dont go to the past thats why after we finish the elpis chapter they say the convergence of time or something i forgot the specific line but it says that the 2 timeline finally became one||

||if venat dont know that meteion and dynamis is the big threat would she do the sundering? Probably not because remember what she says at the boat at the start of endwalker||

[sudden spruce]

I cant understand ||the time convergence thing :(, so ill just take it that everything that was meant to happen happened but thank you for explaining||

[raven canopy]

I think || it just an explanation that our doing in the past peads to our current timeline there is no alternative timeline where they solve the final days issue any other way||

||like the is no timeline or dimension or what ever that we dont go in the past, we the WoL are part of the past and present||

[sudden spruce]

Ah but wait does that mean ||that there an alternate unfulfilled timeline wherein we hadnt gone to the past yet and thus, the story would have been different?(venat did things differently or did nothing at all?) ||

[sudden spruce]

Ohhh okay, so its a set in stone

[raven canopy]

Yeah basically, thats how i see and interpret it

[sudden spruce]

Damn wol mr.timewide

[hollow ice]

no ||he was referring to our soul when he said were the spitting image of azem||

[sudden spruce]

I realized ||why i like venats design so as hydaelyn...the face, the eyes, the lashes, pure amano art||

[raven canopy]

||hydelyn face is kinda similar to the first warrior of light face||

[sudden spruce]

🙏 🙏

[sudden spruce]

Yep || the way amano draws eyes, super mysterious and piercing, sometimes makes me question if the character's lowkey evil was worried venat was looking evil then i realized, no just amanos art style ||

False alarm

[raven canopy]

||damn u remind me that i doubt hydelyn i feel so bad now||

[tardy hare]

the fact that you can ||make her cry after the trial battle if you call her venat instead of hydaelyn ||

[raven canopy]

||she cried either way||

I seen someone play through and choose the other answer

[tardy hare]

oh really? Lol I thought it was like ||a g'raha thing at the end of 5.0 where he cried based on certain responses||

[sudden spruce]

Always wondered ||if she reacted differently being called hydaelyn vs venat||

[dusk slate]

i could have been productive today. instead i've been sitting in a group waiting for ||chi|| (ew fate spoiler) to spawn

[zealous sentinel]

Ok so I've been in the last area for the past 2 days and I have to ask: WTF is Chi?

[sudden spruce]

Dw, i had my doubts about her too. ||Up until the last second, after the things and the scene where she basically went through hell...youd never know||

[raven canopy]

||fate boss||

[dusk slate]

||fate boss that gives you the currency for the level checker mount||

[river hound]

how many per kill?

[tardy hare]

||fate boss like ixion and archaeotania that gives you currency to redeem for a mount ||

[dusk slate]

2 kills for the mount

[tardy hare]

so same as ixion and archaeotania. I still need to kill those one more time

[sudden spruce]

Huh one more for me then

I killed it without knowing it gave that as a reward

[tardy hare]

Though flying is required to get to where the final fate is

[river hound]

damn, 6 per kill, i expected it to be 1. haha. cos my FC mates said that boss random spwan over a long period of downtime

[sudden spruce]

Deep down we know ||argos is the best mount||

[zealous sentinel]

||And you get him for free||

[stuck yarrow]

Side questing in ||elpis|| is so fun

[sudden spruce]

The best boy

Or girl ?

[zealous sentinel]

Boy, ||Venat|| confirms it

[dusk slate]

they're all good boys

[sudden spruce]

My brain instantly though iz a boy bc hes a good boy

[stuck yarrow]

I like how everyone automatically assumes you’re trouble when you say you’re ||Azem’s familiar||

[sudden spruce]

Haha cant stop wont stop
-sokken probably

[mint sail]

Cancer can't keep the dude down

[sudden spruce]

Hearing ||flow|| is enough to make me teary

[zealous sentinel]

Azem is chaotic good embodiment

[mint sail]

What makes you think your feels will

[tardy hare]

I really liked the ancient greek theme of ||elpis||

[mint sail]

tbh ||when I went to meet Elidibus again I was waiting for a sad cover of To the Edge to start up||

[sudden spruce]

First time in sharlayan city, wow the instrumental sounds so good!, after hearing ||the lyrics with venat, going back to the city is ||

Also anytime ||tempest theme gets sprinkled ||

[zealous sentinel]

We need a nickname for Natsuko Ishikawa

[sudden spruce]

Tears enabler

[zealous sentinel]

Everyone says yoshi p and Soken but not enough people credits her

[stuck yarrow]

Interesting how ||two of the side quest NPCs in elpis are a pair of light haired male and female siblings, one who’s more bookish and shy and the other who’s more outgoing||

[zealous sentinel]

Such emotional devastation

[charred minnow]

lore time I wonder who prints the triple triad cards and how they got to the first before us 🤔

[zealous sentinel]

The same people who prints Gwent cards

[sudden spruce]

Imagine if we ||met azem while in elpis, the world implodes. The end.||

[tardy hare]

it could've been something g'raha introduced to the people to pass the time

[charred minnow]

I do have an actual lore question though, ||When you summon Emet-Selch in Ultima Thule, he tells you a bunch of places to go to, then says consider it your duty, but I swear after that he says something like 'I know I did' before leaving, any clues what that could mean?|| [[level 90 MSQ spoilers]]

||Yeah I got that part, but he says something about himself after saying consider that your duty||

[mint sail]

can we explore the 13th more

[minor wren]

More?

[humble heron]

Iirc the continuation role quests for shb touched on the 13th

[vital timber]

Calling it now. Tataru will be the new big baddie. 🙂

[minor wren]

That makes sense

[stiff charm]

we have been there in the world of darkness raid

[marsh osprey]

||He literally direct hints thats we gonna vitsit a bunch of places on eorzea still||

[charred minnow]

||I didn't mean that bit, that was just me trying to say which scene I meant, gimme a sec and I'll find the dialogue||

[sudden spruce]

So ||flow is the mostly voice and piano version right? Whats the official name of the version thats more band like||

[stiff charm]

we dont know

[slender siren]

Bruh

Sastasha out of all dungeons

[stiff charm]

punishment for using 2b diaper

[charred minnow]

The second one is what I mean ||what on earth does he mean by I certainly did||

Level 90 MSQ spoilers for both above images btw

[weary yoke]

it's just ||foreshadowing for post-6.0 content||

[gaunt star]

Thanks, I didn't see it the first time

[slender siren]

It was just for glam

[mint sail]

||I thought he meant it in his usual sarcastic way, like "sure go do your Azem things and annoy me with them as is your wont"||

then again I don't remember his vocal tone for that scene

[slender siren]

Everybody wears 2B leggings and boots here

[mint sail]

punishment for using those with the type-53 striking chest

[slender siren]

[mint surge]

She will ruin us all with capitalism

[slender siren]

You think I wanna wear the 2B dress?!

[mint sail]

I know I haven't been punished for using the type-51 striking one

[slender siren]

That’s worse lmao

No cool jacket

[mint surge]

Me who wears the 2b dress on my bunny boy 😳

[mint sail]

tbh even though I got the full type-51 striking set, I never used it

[slender siren]

Don’t ignore the mask

Little hat with it

[mint sail]

the hat is cute, yes

But never goes well with most of my glams

[mint surge]

The way i got the dress was to be an annoying player that wouldnt leave the dungeon. One player refused to vote on it until the timer ran out- i stayed xd

[slender siren]

Rip

The one player probably wanted it

[mint surge]

I wanted it too lol

[lavish anvil]

i claim ownership of|| puddingway||

[strange otter]

This is why you roll for things

If I want something and someone is staying without rolling I'm rolling and going afk until the timer runs out, lol

[slender siren]

Lmao

When someone wins something with greed and you’re said class is worse

[mint surge]

This happens so often xd

[strange otter]

[slender siren]

Ahhh so you’re a toxic player @strange otter

I can imagine how you are in savage raids

[gusty quiver]

Alright I arrived in fever dream land, I feel like I need medical attention

[humble heron]

i can provide a bad joke will that suffice?

[marsh osprey]

||i think he means that he fullfilled his duty to the end, so you should do that too||

Also i like your appetizing name

[tulip geyser]

||I think its also a bit of playful ribbing, that is, "Are you an Azem or not? Go see this beautiful star that we love."||

[charred minnow]

||Ah ok, that was the bit I was confused about, neurodivergence sometimes makes it hard to interpret stuff like that||

[marsh osprey]

The line can be misleading

[late aurora]

Go live up to your title

[marsh osprey]

I want to rename my character, but its disabled

[slate ridge]

since endwalker has a lot of ffiv reference, are there any soundtracks from ff4? i heard ||the loporrits town theme and battle theme are from ff4||

[humble heron]

I can 100% say the ||battle theme|| is from ff4 and would not be surprised if the ||town theme|| was the same

[mint sail]

Not sure if this is the right place to gush, but I may have found a song to override the ||Endsinger|| boss theme

It only makes sense to me tho

||the reprise of all the previous final boss themes is good and all, but it's not like really the Endsinger's theme||

[marsh osprey]

Which song tho

||final boss theme is supposed to depict your journey over the years||

[mint sail]

https://youtu.be/lIkhwjOZKuo
this one

Like, I was considering the lyrics and the overall tone and it matches pretty well

[marsh osprey]

That literally is not epic at all

[humble heron]

That sounds like it would be better in the burn

[mint sail]

Just throwing the idea out, like I said it only makes sense to me

[marsh osprey]

Imagine not closing out the final battle of 8 years of content with a epic fanfare of battle music

[mint sail]

maybe not a battle theme then

Actually, forget I brought it up, it's difficult to replace music made specifically for the game

[quick wing]

Are they going to add on to the msq in 6.1 till 7.0?

[humble heron]

Yes but a different story arc

[weary rampart]

6.1 will reveal where the story gonna take us

[quick wing]

Ohh ok was worried our characters story ended in this expac

[obsidian sparrow]

6.1 will give us an island

[quick wing]

I'm too attached to my wol to change them

[marsh osprey]

Pretty much

[humble heron]

Buy fanta, change them anyway

[quick wing]

Wym still have free fantasia 😎

[marsh osprey]

I wanted to be a bunny boy, but i discovered my true self

[humble heron]

Ur true self is european

[quick wing]

Chad

[humble heron]

Also mr zalgo text person why have a name thats just a pain to mention

[marsh osprey]

My true self is being a smol piece of shit greeding for gil

[humble heron]

We all knew that

[mint sail]

We're all gil-greeding pieces of shit, just of varying sizes

[marsh osprey]

My small fortune grew larger with ew

[keen osprey]

I wonder if they'll ever show us Azem

||Emet-Selch's comment on us being "a splitting image of him/her" during our arrival on Elpis makes me assume they could they simply create an Amaroutine Azem with an interesting and quirky personality, and it might be interesting interacting with them.||

Although i guess an Azem that looks like us would be difficult to pull off given that we have our own races, so it's not like they can just upsize our model and pretend it's Azem

[mint sail]

miniature PC minion

[humble heron]

I suspect we wont ever see azem

[exotic thistle]

||I hope we're not 6 feet tall with the same face. My character's a lallafel||

[keen osprey]

Yeah... i guess not... The moment that dood said that, they locked in Azem's appearance, so they can't just create a unique Azem model without relating to our image

[dull jolt]

So just an question how did everyone feel about ||the final villain in the expac. Not Zenos btw||

[keen osprey]

Honestly, i get the narrative decisions, but i feel like there's potential to be explored elsewhere that was wasted

[humble heron]

I thought they were good

[dull jolt]

Yeah thats how I feel @keen osprey

[keen osprey]

For example, the initial reaction to when she first did the report had me in goosebumps, like there was some kinda lovecraftian entity that wants to end us

but turns out it was just... something that would make ||Hermes|| sad?

[exotic thistle]

I liked them well enough. In some ways you can compare them to a typical jrpg boss but still

[dull jolt]

Lmaoo

[humble heron]

It would have been better if we just beat up ||thordan|| again

[keen osprey]

The moment we made our anonymous anomaly something punchable, it lost that feeling of dread or fear I had when first encountering it

[dull jolt]

I don't want an typical JRPG boss as the ||final boss|| with how much story build this game had going.

[keen osprey]

But on the other hand, this was another approach at the situation and suits FF's style enough

[exotic thistle]

Yea but I think the game earned its villain

[marsh osprey]

||shes a being affine to dynamis so the overwhelming despair and her will to please Hermes affected her programming||

[keen osprey]

So i understand their narrative decision, but i felt like the other lovecraftian approach would've also been great

[mint sail]

||My impression is that Meteion, with whatever funnies between the aether and dynamis she had, agglomerated all of the despair and shit into the Endsinger||

[dull jolt]

Oh yeah I get the whole narrative and plot but ||she felt really weak as an "final" boss(even tho I considered Zenos the REAL final boss)||

[exotic thistle]

||A godlike being seeking to destroy the world while wanting to learn the meaning of life which we learn through our friends|| Just reminds me of jrpgs when I look at it through that lense

[marsh osprey]

I for myself would have liked for ||zodiark after a long drawn out battle to be set free and then overtake hydaelyn and fuse with her into a grander god, then we proceed to beat it with the prayers of the planet||

[dull jolt]

I mean thats like something thats been done alot of times.

[humble heron]

I did enjoy the final trial, though, even if i agree the villain felt a little weak. ||i still say "light the way!" With the rest of the scions and pump my arm like a nerd||

[keen osprey]

That's DC's approach, not FF lol

[marsh osprey]

[exotic thistle]

||She was throwing fucking planets at me I think she was strong enough on the power scale.|| Die a bunch of times before I figured out how to deal with those things

[marsh osprey]

Probably, would be epic though

[humble heron]

Oh i just meant narratively

[keen osprey]

Oh wait, or was it Marvel?

[dull jolt]

Naw not weak as in her battle strength.

[keen osprey]

I forgot, there was something about 2 powerful people combining becoming an entirely powerful entity

[humble heron]

I mean endwalker is officially a ||kingdom hearts game, because it has time travel, hot dudes, and is made by square enix||

[marsh osprey]

||elpis arc was literally kingdom hearts||

[keen osprey]

On the bright side at least they made sure it made sense... to some degree. Alot of people understood the plot for once

[marsh osprey]

The entire fucking time i was thinking of it

[exotic thistle]

I found ||her|| story to be interesting. Like ||going to other planets and finding only death and the desire for oblivion. Along with seeing each races reason for their defeatist outlook on their lives|| was really enjoyable.

[humble heron]

||emet selch is just xehanort||

[keen osprey]

My only problem with it is that we introduced ||2 forms of Time Travel. One is the parallel universe approach (G'raha going to the first in the first to change the future), and the other is a closed loop approach (The Elpis incident)||

[humble heron]

Probably should spoiler that

[keen osprey]

I'm not a fan of this inconsistency

[humble heron]

I mean it makes sense if you squint a little and i know plenty of other ||time travel|| stories that really shit the bed on that one

[exotic thistle]

I can see where you get that idea from though I think it's a little disingenuous with the ||xeanort comparison||

The ||time travel aspect I do agree opens up allot of convolution. Though I guess with how they handled this one and made it a closed time loop I think it was handled about as well as I could have hoped for||

[potent marsh]

dude must be having a real bruh moment

[humble heron]

||Oh actually i can explain the graha inconsistency; its because alexander (and by extention tycoon) says fuck you to the rules of time as is||

[keen osprey]

I mean the whole point of a ||Closed loop time travel|| is that ||we can't change the past, and that us going back into the past was always meant to be||
The fact that ShB introduced ||Parallel universe time travel|| means that we ||CAN change the past? So can we or can we not??||
The fact that both methods use the Crystal Tower means it's capable of both?

[humble heron]

What ||elidbutter|| did still has to play by the same rules

[jolly sierra]

|| i've resolved it in my head by considering that the amount of aether used to transport you back in time wasnt enough to jump timelines||

[jolly sierra]

spoiler that please

[humble heron]

Thays not ew spoilers

[keen osprey]

I mean if you're willing to go that far, then we might as well use the other logic, that we destroyed the boss in the Twinning

[marsh osprey]

Thats 5.0

[humble heron]

I treat all 5.0 and previous content as fair game

[jolly sierra]

||but they provide context to the conversation which might spoil||

[exotic thistle]

probably good to spoiler that anyways since it alludes to the fact there is ||time travel plot points in endwalker||

[marsh osprey]

Even 5.4 is fair game, you go in here if you playin 6.0

[humble heron]

I think they mean in relation to the topic of ||time travel||

[keen osprey]

Some people may come in here accidently, but being only half-way through 6.0
so it's better to have some spoiler tags for their sake

[tidal mauve]

||i mean if you really read into it, nothing really gave away that we had to be there for everything that was to happen there, elidibus specifically told us not to try shit||

[jolly sierra]

thanks friends

[keen osprey]

Like after the events of lv 83 MSQ, i certainly felt VERY tempted to ask questions here

EW is just toooo juicy not to discuss at various parts of it

[humble heron]

@tidal mauve theres a non zero chance that ||we actually meet elidibus back in elpis and talk to him about this and it doesnt cause a paradox cause hes gonna forget anyway||

[marsh osprey]

83 literally caught me of guard

[dull jolt]

Like I been thinking this but I think the reason why I didn't like ||the final villain as much is because compare to Emet, she didn't really have much of an interesting motive or character for us to relate to. And I don't think it helps when it's an little girl we literally just met at the tail end of the game whom have little build up. ||

[exotic thistle]

||I honestly thought that we were making an alternate timeline during that whole story arc. but it just turned out to be a closed time loop kicking off... literally everything||

[keen osprey]

Yeah, i was actually worried i wouldn't like EW because the lv 83 MSQ despite being juicy enough, just didn't feel as impactful as ShB
Felt quite... "rushed"

[marsh osprey]

I fucking hated all 3 first area msq

83 was a short hype and then it went full boredom until ||elpis||

[keen osprey]

Really? I loved at least Labyrinthos though?

[humble heron]

Labyrinthos has kickass music

[exotic thistle]

||The most interesting motive I can think of is searching for lifes meaning. Though I can argue that she is less of an individualistic villain rather than a force of nature. With the cause of her going crazy being her journey to other planets you could argue the real villain was other life forms and their anguish in oblivion upon not finding true meaning in their lives||

[marsh osprey]

Labyrinthos has the shittiest questing in all of ew

[keen osprey]

And Thanivir i can understand why people might not like it, but it was very culturally rich in references to the real world.
My only disappointment was that we didn't get to explore their culture due to all the hectic events going around us

[humble heron]

Im highly confident ||6.1 will just be a party in radz at han||

[marsh osprey]

They even ||double down with labyrinthos garbage when you revisit it for final parts of msq||

[exotic thistle]

It seemed like there was a separation between ||the character itself and and what the alien societies had shaped her to become||

[keen osprey]

||Garlemald|| on the other hand... there's a reason it has ||mald|| in its name...

[marsh osprey]

Thavnair was somewat enjoyable because of the great indian voice acting and the loveable elephants

[ebon vortex]

i mean ||meteion wasn't exactly a singular villian in the sense that it is a combination of her, the collective, and hermes|| compared to someone like hades

[keen osprey]

Oh yeah, it was executed so well. Now if they explore their culture in the future MSQ, i'd be very happy.

[marsh osprey]

||garlemald literally had zero story impact, the zone couldnt have been a thing and shit happened on any other tower and it would have been fine, arguably this was the weakest part of ew||

[mint sail]

||being in Radz after the MSQ is like the everybody-dances ending in a Bollywood movie||

[dull jolt]

I wish ||she was exactly that and she wasn't just some girl created by Hermes. Like I felt like it would been better if the Final Days was an ominous mystery goddness thats want to destroy worlds like that FF3 final boss and not what we gotten with her being an creation by Hermes whom barely have any human characteristics for us to relate to with her.||

Like how ||Omega is an machine that can give itself a human-like form to fight us in||

[keen osprey]

I mean with the final "villain", there are many approaches to it

• It could be the sympathetic villain that we try to help after defeating them
• It could be just an pure evil villain (FF doesn't do this)
• It could be a lovecraftian entity (An overwhelming and malicious entity, with our objective to stop it since we can't defeat it)
• Or a force of nature, a naturally occurring force that is malicious is nature that was triggered by ||Meteion|| by mistake

Lemme see if i can remember some games that takes the above approaches

[mint sail]

||By doing that, they do away with any singular individual who created the conflict, but whether that's the worse execution is up for debate||

[foggy coyote]

Hey where do I go to trade in my tomes of aphorism?

[exotic thistle]

I think that would ||potentially cause a rewrite of amon/hermes' character motivations|| but entirely doable

[marsh osprey]

Radz

[humble heron]

I personally enjoyed ||garlemald|| a lot because I thought it was a very realistic portrayal of what would happen irl. My least favorite zone (including revisits) is easily ||moon|| because ||talking with the bunnies doesnt push the plot forward either. At least in labyrinthos 2, you are just killing time and having fun while you wait for the ship to be ready||

[mint sail]

I for one found it novel at least

[foggy coyote]

Oh okay thank you

[marsh osprey]

The market near aetheryte

[dim sigil]

I feel partly some people hate it because it is frustratingly realistic

[foggy coyote]

Got it

[dull jolt]

Hard agree. I felt so bored on ||the moon during that part||

[keen osprey]

Persona 3 is an example of a Force of nature type final antagonist.

[exotic thistle]

I'm surprised. The endwalker story was never a dull moment for me

[mint sail]

||Garlemad|| was pretty sobering, but I like that it was sobering

[keen osprey]

I don't think we've ever had a lovecraftian type final boss in video games... or rather if we did, it was executed in a way that it falls more towards an evil boss or force of nature instead of lovecraftian

[humble heron]

Though i mean after ||killing zodiark|| i dont know if anything in that area would have done it justice

[marsh osprey]

I think the most fun i had was in ||elpis, when they finally threw a bunch of actual lore at you||

[mint sail]

plus, I like snow and urban architecture, so good for me

[marsh osprey]

Also ||hades and hy pairing was amazing||

[humble heron]

Speaking of ||garlemald|| i really, really love ||Home on the Horizon, the track that plays on the radio. Its a great recontextualization of the imperial theme||

[dim sigil]

|| The body swap instance is also literally the best thing in the game ever yeah you're supposed to feel nothing but Stress and Anxiety and have zero Direction and it was amazing that how perfectly it captured that feeling of hopelessness ||

[marsh osprey]

This made me so angery, i guess that was their intention lmao

[humble heron]

@dim sigil we stan that duty

[keen osprey]

This so much... I hated that event so much... Which meant it did its job so well... I legit had feelings of disgust and anxiety during it

[mint sail]

||leaving that song playing during Quintus' suicide was the moment the Garlemald arc kicked itself a few steps up the tier list for me||

[marsh osprey]

The fucking timer man i hated it

[humble heron]

Even though its plenty of time

[marsh osprey]

Everyone hates timers

[keen osprey]

The only problem i have with FF's story is no fault of it's own, but rather the medium of the game it's on

[dim sigil]

I feel like there's a subset of people where if something is not pure "fun" per se that means it did its job badly but I think games can evoke emotions more than just fun

[marsh osprey]

They finally have a medium for ff story that doesnt feel awful if you ask me, guess why ff15 sold so well despite not being the best game

[keen osprey]

Being an MMORPG means that there are limitations to the story they can create. Like we know we're not going to ||escape with the moon|| because it's an MMORPG and we will have the ability to go back to locations we visited before
We know that ||Zenos taking over our body|| will be extremely short lived because it's not like they can stall us for long if we want to get back to the story

[mint sail]

Games in general are a medium

[keen osprey]

So in a sense, the story is slightly predicatable

[mint sail]

There's a reason why there's a subset of the artsy-type games where it's more to evoke a deep emotion/reaction than simply for fun

[dull jolt]

Yeah I dunno what better way to do it except maybe ||Hermes should had escape with her through space and maybe become apart of her since I felt he was better suited to being an final villain than she was with how relatable he was and his character being good||

[exotic thistle]

||I enjoyed the garlemald part due to its exploration of its people and how pain and suffering from others can make you distrusting and lead to inflicting suffering yourself in turn. The moon stuff I'll admit was a slight detour but I did enjoy it and it had allot of payoff in the climax. Elpis I agree was awesome and a highlight for me but I just really enjoyed the plot overall. I can't name a part in the story that I really had a problem with.||

I think the closest is when I'd piece together plot bits and I'd be screaming for the characters to notice it to, which they did not that long after. If anything that shows how invested I was

[marsh osprey]

Also sad how they ||didnt make hermes a trial||

[dull jolt]

Dude ikr

||They did him dirty||

[marsh osprey]

endwalker would have done well with ||making anima and hermes actual trials||

[mint sail]

||tbh the return to Thavnair arc was a bit draggy to me, since it all felt like a wild goose chase of some minor NPC||

[keen osprey]

Honestly, my biggest admiration towards FF14 is in their dungeon designs. They create soooo many dungeons, many of which are unique, and use their own unique assets... And we never see those assets outside of the dungeons. They're literally creating whole new maps and dungeons using unique assets, for us to see for on average 12 mins before we move on with their story.

Like... I know sooooo many MMORPGs that simply reuse assets

[marsh osprey]

More like 15-20mins

[exotic thistle]

Yea. Though it seemed like the trials were ||focused on all the main godlike beings. Zodiark, hydelyn, etc.||

[marsh osprey]

||anima felt shoeshorned in and had a big ass trial level arena||

[weary rampart]

u havent seen the optional dungeon?

[dim sigil]

|| I'm glad they did what they did with the trials instead of anima honestly ||

[exotic thistle]

oh you mean the ||investigation?|| huh ||I thought that was well written. The only part that got to me is that I figured out the cause by midway through the dungeon||

[marsh osprey]

Could have been ||4 trials||

[keen osprey]

If u mean "hard mode" then sure, that's an arguing point. But they made the effort to create a new narrative using those dungeons at least