retired-patch-6-3-discussion

[indigo shale]

waiting for ||Chi ||is fun, its like bozja when someone asks when castrum is up and everyone answers "in 15 minutes"

[blazing edge]

yeah but you generally dont want to

[robust crescent]

that's the complicated part, when do you want to. you have to figure that out from fight to fight

[blazing edge]

whenever the boss is untargetable like in phase changes

[robust crescent]

makes u think more than pretty much every other healer system lol

[blazing edge]

otherwise, better to attack with dosis or phlegma

[robust crescent]

phlegma balls

[robust crescent]

I love whoever named phlegma

@blazing edge also biggest thing that I find awkward, you can't DoT double weave.

[static niche]

as sage?

[robust crescent]

yes

eukrasia doesn't allowed a weave in between, then you only get one ogcd timing between cast of the DoT can ur next GCD

[stable rampart]

yeah it's weird

but i guess toxicon is supposed to make up for that?

[robust crescent]

that's why i'm infinitely interested in toxikon and phlegma, for the double weave.

[hollow ice]

they could have stopped at phlegm for the medical term but they added the a like a true hero

[robust crescent]

feels less binary compared to the other 3 healers we have rn

not using that as an insult for those 3 healers btw, except SCH, screw pets

I would of unironically played noct AST over a SCH in SHB

[hollow ice]

I unironically play scholar over ast and white mage

[robust crescent]

I'm sorry

[hollow ice]

scholar is just more fun to me

[robust crescent]

AST is still favorite healer ngl, but no more shield so I go sage

[tulip geyser]

Someone who shares my pet hatred

If Im gonna screw up, let me do it

[hollow ice]

you can get away with just turning on fairy and not doing anything with her outside of just cast abilities

[tulip geyser]

This is a more general MMO statement, I should say

[hollow ice]

idk it doesnt really follow typical mmo pet behaviors

[robust crescent]

The pet feels so clunky, I dislike it, would rather as he put if, screw up myself.

[hollow ice]

thats what I dont get, the pet doesnt really do anything so any screwing up you do would be from yourself

you just turn it on and use abilities, sure you have the option to place it like a totem somewhere but yeah

[half phoenix]

Mildly curious what the hell they’re going to cut from SCH in 7.0, they’re literally out of room if you try to have everything on your bar

[hollow ice]

wdym we got 2 whole spaces left XD

[unreal delta]

||THANCRED IS FUCKING DEAD??||
MAJOR lvl 89 spoiler

[half phoenix]

I missing about half the role actions and removed one of the fairies (since there’s no need to have both since ShB), I’m at 4 free of the 36 available

[robust crescent]

Maybe

[hollow ice]

I keep everything on my bar cuz I end up in lower level dungeons often enough to warrant it

[half phoenix]

||No, why would they actually try to murder everyone in the last level of MSQ, you’d need enough people for a trust run of the last dungeon anyways||

[robust crescent]

He's first part of that area so u just spoiled the rest of it just fyi

[half phoenix]

Eh, it was common sense

[unreal delta]

:|

well. THANKS i guess.

[mortal barn]

https://i.imgur.com/gwBvqSc.png this guy must really hate Garlean. He chooses an icy mount to harass them XD

[robust crescent]

So I can spoil the final boss, because it was common sense, right?

[half phoenix]

||Well I mean he’s the only dedicated tank so if they removed the healers as well and only kept g’raha and the dps, how’s you run the they dungeon with a trust if you yourself aren’t a tank?||

[mortal barn]

eh no. Even if Final Boss is Tataru, don't 😮

I got spoiled, even though I kinda expected it :shy:

[half phoenix]

||If it wasn’t for the trust system, stuff like that would have more weight, but, well...||

[robust crescent]

Exactly, so when that moment happens before final boss I should just reply to someone telling them they're the final boss, common sense afterall, and according to our friend here that makes it A-ok.

[half phoenix]

It was still fairly obvious

[unreal delta]

it wasnt

[robust crescent]

I don't think you have the ability to use this channel responsibly, would think about what u reply before you reply it in the future

[indigo shale]

||well you are wrong as we know trusts dont have to include the scions||

[half phoenix]

It was XD ||especially right after the Ea part. “Okay, we got 2 all-rounders, a healer and a dps, if one more ‘dies’ they all come back for the dungeon”||

[severe brook]

you're right, ||there's no way to run a dungeon without Trusts.||

[half phoenix]

Yes but they have the trusts for dungeons for those who don’t want to be held up by queues

Or their friends aren’t online or caught up

[static niche]

we don't need the ||scions for trust as 87 already showed||

[indigo shale]

||again trusts dont have to have the scions||

how far are you in rak

[unreal delta]

rak. maybe think just for a second : )

[half phoenix]

||There’s literally no one else in the zone though, we have Venat, Emet, and Hythlodaeus because they were effectively Elpis’s party||

I finished it like last week

[unreal delta]

good for you

[robust crescent]

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZdUsMI8vpc||
||I don't see the scions in this, weird...||

almost as if, your logic is flawed, and ur just trying to stick to it because u know the only other option would be to admit u where wrong... but hey, you do you.

[indigo shale]

||you make it out as though, they cant bring anyone else in for trust, we had the azem stone could have summoned anyone at our will didnt have to be the scions||

[static niche]

exactly

[half phoenix]

But I could see from a mile way ||that they weren’t going to stay dead. Hell we also had the power to “give form to the formless” and we had to use it sparingly, and rendering a whole map isn’t sparingly||

[robust crescent]

everyone just make sure rakarrak doesn't do this again, if he does, just tell the staff and let them decide what to do with the situation. :)

[indigo shale]

||ok but doesnt mean you have to intentionally spoil the story for anyone else||

[robust crescent]

we should leave it at that.

[half phoenix]

||the azem stone is just DF made physical||

It was tagged in spoiler markers, they choose to click on it

[indigo shale]

you direct replied to them

[static niche]

you pinged him

[half phoenix]

And you can ignore ping -_-

[late aurora]

Then why ping to begin with

[static niche]

no? pinging means it was important.
which is why we hate random pings

[half phoenix]

Even the notification pop ups just read <spoiler> or are blank depends on what you’re seeing it on

[static niche]

alright then @half phoenix

[robust crescent]

everyone just leave it as it is, if u feel so included to still argue bring it to DMs, or tell the staff if u truly believe that this situation was that bad, I would suggest just make sure he doesn't do it again

[static niche]

don't mind me @half phoenix i'm sure you don't need to see this but i'll ping you so you know it's not important

[robust crescent]

and if he does do it again, let staff decide his fate.

[unreal delta]

just dont ping people with spoilers. I even put it in my message I was at 89 MSQ

[half phoenix]

No, i tend to ignore a lot of the pings

[deep blade]

Spear fishing: since the patch, are the still nodes that can only be accessed after catching a certain number of a specific fish?

[half phoenix]

Potentially? You can check with the fishing discord

[glacial turret]

I got ex1 mount I’m so happy

[cerulean lynx]

Nice

[deep blade]

Any links to fishing discord? The ones I found are expired

[cerulean lynx]

||I wonder if we’ll see Azem in the Pandemonium raids|| post credit spoiler

[static niche]

maybe

[indigo shale]

||i doubt it, unless its an azem thats not us||

[half phoenix]

No, ||their gender is based on the player character’s, and if they were to be voiced, that’d mean 8 VAs for 1 character||

[north silo]

||Azem….. was literally Venat at one point||

[indigo shale]

||if we were going to meet azem we would have already, the fact we havent means we never will||

[humble heron]

We mean the ||holder of the seat of azem at the time of the sundering||@north silo

[indigo shale]

||also we know at the time azem is nowhere near elpis as hythlo says||

[humble heron]

||tinfoil hat time: hes the duckbill who has no thoughts /joke||

[cerulean lynx]

||Azem is the shoebill who follows you around in shadowbringers ||

[jolly sierra]

|| incredible this dude really spoiled msq for someone and started defending his shit instead of apologising @ the dude who got spoiled im so sorry even though i know you probably wont click this||

|| its not obvious in the moment because you're totally overwhelmed by emotions, or at least thats how it was for me. i just straight up thought they werent gonna have trusts for the final dungeon ||

[vocal bear]

||Yo, in the final zone, can we get that music as an Orchestrion Roll?||

[humble heron]

Yes

[cerulean lynx]

Love the music in the final zone

[humble heron]

Do 66 fates iirc to get the roll

[jolly sierra]

|| im actually kinda pissed lmao, way to rob the experience from someone, even if you dont feel anything ||

[cerulean lynx]

I’m actually proud of myself for avoiding mostly every spoiler

[jolly sierra]

yeah i literally tuned everything out. all in game chat, and i didnt go on any of my xiv discords until i finished

[cerulean lynx]

The only thing I got spoiled was the second trial literally a minute before I did it

And the name of the last trial

[jolly sierra]

i take spoilers super seriously lol

[cerulean lynx]

Really excited for future patches

[forest hatch]

argos

[cerulean lynx]

Love that moon doggo

[hollow ice]

people aint spoilerin things

[main umbra]

I think the best thing that happen in EW msq was me doing last zone early in morning and it was just dead empty. really felt it

[haughty crater]

So when is the raid supposed to come? Any info on it and other endgame content?

[hollow ice]

like next week or so

endgame rn are the dungeons and exs

[haughty crater]

So full gear in aphorism and EX for the raid?

[static niche]

nah

[thorny flax]

crafted gear will be better

[haughty crater]

What ilvl is the crafted stuff?

[thorny flax]

the same as gear from the normal version of the raid

but usually people that want to go for week 1 or week 2 clear in savage won't get full normal gear

[orchid dagger]

oh yeah i can PL my crafters and just make gear. Maybe i'll move that up in my prioirity lists

[thorny flax]

if you just want to do the raids casually and no week 1 clear you are fine with aphorism and ex trial gear + gear from normal difficulty

loot is also id locked at the start and will later be unlocked

[haughty crater]

i dont understand what that means 😄

[thorny flax]

it means once you got 1 piece of loot from a boss you can't farm more until raid reset

you can only get 1 piece of loot from each boss per week

and later they remove this restriction

[haughty crater]

But I can fight them as much as I want?

[thorny flax]

yep

[static niche]

so TIL... last dungeon boss has ||doom mechanic, and it's not in trust||

[haughty crater]

and what about the gear tokens? I saw you need a big stack to buy some EX boss gear

[thorny flax]

everytime you kill a boss in an ex trial you get a token. It's basically a bad luck protection if you don't get loot from the boss

In Shadowbringers we needed 10 tokens for a weapon

[haughty crater]

Yes it's still 10

[thorny flax]

depending on how long the boss fight is you get either 1 or 2 tokens for 1 kill

[haughty crater]

So the token isnt loot locked but the item drops are?

[thorny flax]

I think in ex trials there are no lockouts

it's only in normal and savage raids

[hollow ice]

I managed to get my ex wep on first fight XD

[thorny flax]

nice 😄

[haughty crater]

So when the raid drops, if I kill a boss and dont get loot, I can kill it again and again that week until I get a drop and after that im locked for the week?

[thorny flax]

yep you can kill the boss until you get your piece of loot in normal. I don't know how it's in savage this xpac

[haughty crater]

Your progress isnt saved right?

[sonic violet]

what's happening here? I was just completing the map and found all these people, then my game crashed before I could ask lol

[static niche]

they're waiting for fate i think

[indigo shale]

waitign for world boss fate

[thorny flax]

yep you can kill the boss again and again

[flat berry]

Which trial ex should i do first?

[static niche]

whichever. one is accessory other is wep

[indigo shale]

i am also waiting

[thorny flax]

the second one is apparently easier. the first one is apparently hard

[flat berry]

Thats what im seeing in pf

[static niche]

if only we can trust 89 ex

[sonic violet]

that's what I thought ty, I'll wait too when I beat this queue

[slender siren]

[static niche]

7 days too long

[thorny flax]

honestly they should delay savage. a lot of statics still aren't done with the story bc of the player influx

[slender siren]

pandaemonium

[static niche]

why? there's no reward for world first.

[slender siren]

Anyone know any other ff pandaemonium is in?

[static niche]

i believe it was 4

[thorny flax]

so people don't get pressured to rush the story just so they can raid with their static in time when it launches

[static niche]

oh and 9

[hollow ice]

https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Pandaemonium

[slender siren]

Well damn

[static niche]

what there's a fal'cie with the name?

[indigo shale]

why would they delay after already having to delay, they were already heartbroken to delay the expansion, they arent going to delay again intentionally so 2 people can race ofor world first

[slender siren]

So pandaemonium has been an enemy and a place

[static niche]

https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Pandæmonium_(Type-0) i bet this is the reference

[slender siren]

I’m guessing it’s a place for ff xiv

[thorny flax]

I'm calling that the final boss of FFIV will be the final boss of the first tier

[static niche]

who's boss of 4?

[indigo shale]

zeromus iirc

[static niche]

is2g if they put ||jenova|| as last boss of the raid. I'll cry

[thorny flax]

Zeromus

[static niche]

ah right. the weird alien fuckery that pops out of nowhere

[thorny flax]

||jenova|| would be amazing

[static niche]

i had a whole raid concept for her too, but alas no one liked it

[indigo shale]

jenova would suck as much as shoehorning lavos into the game

[static niche]

[forest hatch]

waiting for da world boss to get a mount

[indigo shale]

they said they want the raids to have original things in anyway

[hollow ice]

inb4 Jenova is the next major story arc

[indigo shale]

they did say panda will be 100% original iirc with its bosses

[static niche]

i means maybe? since the whole voice is is already debunked

[thorny flax]

imagine getting a ff7 like story without all the shitty aspects of the original

[haughty crater]

chrono trigger crossover raid, lavos prime is the endboss, coinciding with the release of chrono 3 👀

[static niche]

but considering what ||Meteion probably witnessed. Jenova is still a possibly considering she's probably cause of one or more destroyed civilization.||

actually now that I think about it. What if Jenova is why the ||last area is like that? completely empty, untouched and no resistance||

[gleaming bough]

Man some of those || terminus beast|| looks like BETA from muv luv

[indigo shale]

i know FFXIv has history with references but they arent that bad of writers

[thorny flax]

glamour for MCH where your pet turns into Robo widepeepoHappy

[static niche]

||since we know Jenova consumes her victims and assimilate them into herself then launch out to outer space leaving behind a dead world||

from the source, it states victims usually doesn't know they're infected at all until jenova calls for them.

[indigo shale]

thye shouldnt just add things in for the sake of them being there, its like kefka in the omega raids, its just their for the sake of it and adds nothing the story

[static niche]

that's cuz they already had Amon as Kefka

no real need to have kefka himself there

but we know Jenova doesn't have anything to refer yet ingame.

[indigo shale]

and their is no need for jenova, it would add nothing except being a pointless reference

[static niche]

ffxiv is a theme park you know that right?

Omega was a direct refer and they used him as major focus in ARR conflict and HW end.

what's wrong with jenova being one too? She's pretty good focus as ||Meteion's one of many despair witnessed.||

[gleaming bough]

Tho omega exist on not just one ff

[static niche]

well yeah

[gleaming bough]

While jenova is a ffvii so far exclusive character

[thorny flax]

the only thing why I would be against adding references is because they should save them for cases where they really fit in. Otherwise we will run out of references very soon

[slender siren]

If they ever do a ff7 crossover then jenova would be fine

Sephiroth savage raid jenova

[late aurora]

Have you not done the ShB trial series

[slender siren]

Yes

I mean for raids

[versed gulch]

do new treasure map drop new intance and loot

[slender siren]

Can’t wait for master chief in ff xiv

[deft burrow]

not sure if new treasure dungeon is out yet

[versed gulch]

yea i heard is not coming out until next or the one after that

[slender siren]

6.05

[visual python]

there are several things named pandaemonium in FF games

[late aurora]

The first pandemonium was literal hell

It can only be Pandaemonium, the fortress of the lord of Hell

[static niche]

yes but the one i linked states there's 12 characters in the party

[late aurora]

What does that have to do with anything

[thorny flax]

user reviews so far

[visual python]

this Pandemoinium isnt the alliance raid

[static niche]

so?

[visual python]

wat does 12 has to do with anything here then?

[static niche]

it is related to 12 wonders which is a place...

[late aurora]

Myths of the realm is the alliance raid

[visual python]

the 12 are gonna be dealt with in the alliance raid

and the twelve wonders is a place... it dosnt mean anything and certainly not 12 characters

[static niche]

myths of the realm isn't going to be on Elpis, twelve wonders is a place there. I'm just saying there's a link with that place to the one i linked

[late aurora]

No there isn’t

[static niche]

prove it then

[visual python]

there is no link... you are having the claim there is a link the burden on proof is on you..

[static niche]

prove it then

[late aurora]

How can you prove it? The raids aren’t out

[static niche]

how can you disprove it then?

[late aurora]

There’s No evidence supporting thing, so I can’t support thing

[visual python]

arkhams razor or something

the simplest explanation is the most likely correct one, and linking a place name to 12 characters is FAR from the simplest

[static niche]

we know the raid is happening on Elpis, and it's related to Lahabrea ||and Elibidus.|| It only make sense for the place to happen at Twelve Wonders considering the relevance between that name and the one I linked.

If you cannot accept that theory then gtfo

[indigo shale]

holy fuck it spawned

[visual python]

the reference is paper thin at best (refernce/connection)

[static niche]

better than your nothing.

[late aurora]

Dude Lahabrea is super dead, and FF2 pandemonium is hell

[visual python]

my "nothing" is "there is no credible or significant relation between FFtype Zero and the raid ESPECIALY as they said that the raids WONT be crossovers

[static niche]

||he's not dead in the past. wtf r you smoking.||

that settles it, you two bad

[late aurora]

Okay bye, see ya when pande comes out

[glossy hemlock]

Lmao damn

[compact wedge]

it's literally confirmed lahabrea is related to panda

[gaunt star]

yo i dont know why but my brain cannot process zodiarks rotation move

visualizing hard besides that the fight dosent seem to bad (ex)

[late aurora]

Spoilers first of all. 2ndly it’s a square arena, rotate shouldn’t be that confusing

[gaunt star]

my bad i thoguht this was spoiler channel

[lyric crater]

Lul

[slender siren]

What do you think we will see in ff xiv pandaemonium

[vital brook]

So RPR questline... it's just ||Devil may cry||?

You have a ||demon within you and you go around hunting demons||

[indigo shale]

its a war on light server atm, jeez, people from other worlds complaining about odin ||because chi spawned and it got killed ||

[lean ore]

|| technically nobody cares about the demon within you or its legacy, bad guy got fully possessed and we hunt him thats all||

[robust atlas]

Oh man. What an ending. That’s all I can say right now

[dusky shoal]

The rebel jacket actually makes an appearance in the story and is being wore by ||graha||?

[next quarry]

yes

||thancred wears bozja armor, very fitting||

[mystic tapir]

Teleport pricing makes no bloody sense.

||It's more expensive to teleport to the moon than teleporting to end of the bloody galaxy.
Also more expensive than teleporting to literal past.||

And SOMEHOW, teleporting to far east is still MORE EXPENSIVE than all those three.

[tardy hare]

I'm at the level 87 quests in ||elpis||. If I don't get to see ||azem|| at some point i'm gonna be a bit disappointed

[indigo shale]

tbf the syndicate cant control maintenance prices in those locations

[hollow ice]

||tbf we have a wormhole to the end of the galaxy that cuts some travel costs prolly idk||

[dire current]

|| I just beat ffxiv, i'm crying ||

[rain onyx]

For zones like the moon, the first, and the spoiler zones, they’re judged based on the zone you access them with

[urban phoenix]

you know what...ive been thinking....||the scions have people with the blessing and people without. i think the people with blessing are yshtola and krile no? do we know which part of the convo they got? or did they just got 0815 ancients souls joined 7 times?||

[rain onyx]

Moon uses ||Garlemald|| as the connecting zone, 1st spoiler zone uses ||Crystarium||, and 2nd spoiler zone uses ||Labyrinthos||

And the First uses Mor Dhona

[undone hearth]

I don’t think that first person has the blessing? Unless I missed something

[iron birch]

||yshtola doesn't have the blessing, and Krile has just the echo||

[late aurora]

Yeah no Y’sh is just really good with magic and ||blind||

[urban phoenix]

oh yeah sorry echo = / = blessing

so our wol is the only ancient one in the scions

[late aurora]

Y’sh doesn’t have the echo either

[rain onyx]

Only Krile and us have the Echo+Blessing.

[urban phoenix]

really? there still is another one in the scions who has the echo besides krile

[static niche]

minfillia

[undone hearth]

Minfilia had it

[late aurora]

Arenvald

[urban phoenix]

aaah

[static niche]

arenvald only had echo

[rain onyx]

Yeah Arenvald and I think a few of the 2.0 dead scions had echo and maybe blessing

[urban phoenix]

wow so the others are just really fucking good at their job

[undone hearth]

A few other non-super notable ones too, yeah

[late aurora]

Unless they have to fight Primals, they can hold their own

[urban phoenix]

well now they can even fight those

[undone hearth]

It’s why, during StB, everyone left when Lakshmi showed up, save Arenvald and Fordola. Nobody else had it

[tranquil gorge]

Isn’t the reaper quest line just mafia?

[urban phoenix]

||thanks to the scales they got 😄 there is even that one choice of answer with uuuh thancred i believe? or was it our dragon boy estinien?||

man i really have to replay the story soon again and take more screenshots

[iron birch]

Wait, did Louixsous have the echo?

[undone hearth]

Don’t believe so

[urban phoenix]

also cant wait for ng+ in 6.1

[dire current]

|| are we going back in time again for pandaemonium or is it that zone in present day? ||

[static niche]

louisouix didnt otherwise coils wouldn't happen

[late aurora]

Nope, got tempered

[urban phoenix]

||probs back in time to talk with old elidibus||

[undone hearth]

||Likely back in time, but nothing is really set in stone yet, as far as we know||

[urban phoenix]

still need to get out of the slump

i login and....memories happen...and i just dont wanna do anything kinda.....

im been standing and chatting with friends/fcs for 3 hours now listening to the last zones bgm

[dire current]

|| What is next after Endwalker? We saw the fall of the Garleans, Zenos died after getting the fight he wanted, we defeated the endsinger, bringing peace to the planet and possibly the Universe, saw the conclusions of most characters, idk how they can bring any more story into this ||

[late aurora]

No clue

[compact wedge]

see: ||emet's spoilers||

[undone hearth]

||It’s likely one of the many things Emet said, including other reflections. There’s talk about saving the 13th from ShB too||

[compact wedge]

we're gonna|| lean harder into the azem part of us and explore stuff||

[rain onyx]

We’re basically sitting on a blank slate for where the story could go next.

[compact wedge]

also yea a thirteenth expansion with voidsent and iggy lore

[urban phoenix]

you go back to what you originally are: an adventurer. ||emet already chastised you for missing out many adventures already and thats only like 3-4 locations named whe didnt explore yet||

[tight current]

||]There is a satisfying crunch as you sink your teeth into the orange skin, and a warm tingling sensation runs down your spine. With the second bite, a wave of euphoria washes over you, and you drown in bliss. Alas, as you finish, the elation fades, leaving you with a desperate craving for another carrot||
This some weird carrots we eating

[rain onyx]

||Yeah there’s two whole-ass continents we have never physically seen in-game, three if you want to count Ilsaberd with how little of it we explore.||

||And lots of islands here and there||

[urban phoenix]

remember before the whole wol stuff you where an adventurer starting your journey in eorzea. what about the places below othard? lotta space

what about the isles where hingashi is situated? lotta space

[late aurora]

Also we can breathe underwater

[urban phoenix]

yeaaah sure but....lets not dig too deep into that seems kinda weird

[late aurora]

I mean I’m sure we can find something

[rain onyx]

Hingashi is basically closed off to Foreigners besides Kugane port.

[sour pelican]

Yea diving is nice but water only zones are hit or miss...vash'jir was meh. The 3d area made combat weird

[rain onyx]

But that can change

[urban phoenix]

also there is a isle teased at the bottom of the card bit right to raz ad han

on the world map

[vernal nacelle]

Oh my fuuuuuuucking god when you're first telling your story to|| Hythy/Venat/Emet over tea and Emet refuses to believe I couldn't stop screaming at the screen for my WoL to pull out the Azem crystal Emet made.||

[urban phoenix]

yeah sounds like old japan or china to me. dont want outsiders in until the big bang happens in some kind of form

also did they place japan on the worldmap?

[undone hearth]

Also, ||From looking at the planet while on the Moon, you can see that the New World is easily the size of the Three Continents, so there’s a *lot* that can be done there still||

[urban phoenix]

the isles where the phoenix is on the map really look similar to japan irl

[rain onyx]

Hingashi is Japan equivalent

Othard is China equivalent

[urban phoenix]

new world?

[late aurora]

Not-America

[rain onyx]

New World is basically the americas

[undone hearth]

Where BLU comes from

[rain onyx]

And Meracydia is Australia

[urban phoenix]

but what is the new world oO

[late aurora]

Do the blu quests

[undone hearth]

It’s just a giant continent on the other side of the planet

[urban phoenix]

aw man sounds like a hassle....

[undone hearth]

Termed the New World because the Three Continents are the Old World, as we did in our own history

[urban phoenix]

so basically everything we see so far is the "european continent"

and the "us continent" is on the backside of the map?

[undone hearth]

Essentially, yeah

[urban phoenix]

welp.....anyway LOT of space to explore. so i doubt we will be out of action anytime soon

[late aurora]

And there are dragons there

[urban phoenix]

but i kinda.....i kinda wanna gets kids....

or like....hrmmm a student? a pupil i train and care for.....

[late aurora]

So the twins

[urban phoenix]

the trains dont need your training....

you do care for em true but they are already matured to do their own thing....

[undone hearth]

||https://imgur.com/a/12CWo7q||

^Album of screenshots of the planet that I took from the Moon, can see where the New World is & all

[urban phoenix]

but maybe thats exactly what could happen.....

we trail of far far away. and get a whole new cast of npcs

anyway. future looks bright 🙂

[humble heron]

The trains need rails

[wooden dove]

So far I've really enjoyed the MSQ but, minus some specific nice, moments || Laberynthos visit 2 was a low point. Just a lot of boring fetch quests and talking to no name NPCs in what feels like a suburban neighborhood. ||

Thankfully the wrap up was great and || Trial 2 was fun. Hydealyn's design was so very amano looking ||

[naive quest]

I thought the same way.

[lyric rivet]

Wow. What an ending. It was everything I could’ve ever hoped for and more.

[urban phoenix]

wow....how the...how the hell did i XD

[inner ice]

|| Hydaelyn died after our fight right (and when Zenos devoured the mother crystal ) ||

[humble heron]

||mhm||

[urban phoenix]

||i dont think she "died" as in "she was beaten to death" its more like she could finally let go. it was a death of her own choice||

[late aurora]

She ||dissipated as primals tend to do ||

[urban phoenix]

||but of her own free will. if needed to be she surely had the ways to sustain herself.||

[inner ice]

|| the mother crystal was right there, so yeah ||

[distant elk]

What song is this? (END SPOILER) || https://youtu.be/QYyVTlfdCAk?t=1107 || <-- timestamped

[next quarry]

Flow

MSQ reward so dont worry

[distant elk]

but i want it on my spotify list

or at least play it on youtube til it comes on spotify

people keep saying its "flow band version" but when I search that I get a rock song

or well, "rock" was an overstatement, but this is not the same song / version: https://youtu.be/oPf0jh0hItk?t=4

[next quarry]

I think SE is taking down the original versions

[urban phoenix]

yeah they are

[next quarry]

since they've changed ToS on music posting iirc

[urban phoenix]

because there will be a official soundtrack cd. nobody buys that fi the can grab it free on yt

[distant elk]

But they release them on spotify which is also free...

[urban phoenix]

[next quarry]

spotify comes way after the cds come out dont they

[urban phoenix]

aye think so

[next quarry]

honestly Id buy the endwalker cd

[urban phoenix]

true

farmed last zone for bgm scroll

[dusky shoal]

"nothing bad happens in garlemald"

[dire current]

|| Meteion being the final boss/super villain felt like the FF4/FF9 final boss treatment ||

[urban phoenix]

||as in "Not being a big baddy but someone to save"?||

[dire current]

|| Did Mateion die at the end or did we change her mind after beating Endsinger, and she just flies off with a changed understanding?...lol ||

[urban phoenix]

check credits again

[dire current]

The bird?

[dire current]

but its just official artwork of the endwalker cast and the ancients

[next quarry]

||meteon was in the ending, after the scions were leaving the rising stones||

[dire current]

|| So she's just a familiar? ||

[urban phoenix]

||she was a familiar all the time XD hermes created her and her sisters as familiars that coudl interact with dynamis. not to offend you nvz but seems like you didnt pay attention on the msq :D||

[static niche]

||meteion didn't die, she simply left, no idea where she gone to||

[dire current]

i paid attention it was just a lot to take in all at once

[static niche]

[urban phoenix]

i fully agree with that 😄 i basically took at least 2 breaks per zone

[humble heron]

What are these things called breaks

[static niche]

no idea, i wasn't such a sobbing mess

[humble heron]

I dont think ew affected me as much as say, 5.3 did

[urban phoenix]

[topaz dune]

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF0lspOv8WU|| Que music at your service

[humble heron]

I def cried a lot thou

[urban phoenix]

i do hope we get a proper moon dungeon thou....

[plush lava]

Did a sidequest in New Main City and suddenly || papalymos dad ||

[urban phoenix]

yeah total sob moment for me

[humble heron]

Who started cutting onions smh

[urban phoenix]

do the one for the little girl east of the city @plush lava

[glossy hemlock]

5th area spoilers || https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/reubrf/spoilers_ew_late_5th_zone_they_probably_shouldve/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf || I’m laughing so much

[vernal estuary]

omg, the ff4 battle theme plays in the Carrotorium

also Kaipo theme

[zealous sentinel]

How do you unlock 3rd trial EX?

[late aurora]

It’s not here yet

[inner ice]

What was everyone's favorite zone of endwalker?

[humble heron]

You pay me 20 bucks /s

[inner ice]

Mine would have to be || elpis || the characters and scenery was excellent,

[plush lava]

The carbuncle doll one, did it when I didnt pay attentio so I missed it really

[undone zodiac]

Anyone on Aether wanna farm expert dungeons?

[topaz dune]

||Elpis||....its literally so perfect for me...

[humble heron]

I'm stuck between zones 5 and 6

[urban phoenix]

||yes she named the doll "moony" (after moenbryda) who cheered her up and inspired her to become a scion when she grows up|| sob moment for me

[humble heron]

Both are really good for different reasons

[plush lava]

I also really liked the ||thancred related|| sidequest

From all the sadge scenes in ew || the one that really got me Was the moenbryda psrents scene||

[humble heron]

I was too busy crying to read the dialogue, but I think I agree

[plush lava]

Though we shall not forget this tragedy

[hollow ice]

the final ex will be ||getting puddingway some pudding||

[humble heron]

I think theres a sidequest for it actually

[plush lava]

I have a question about the loporrits, || Was there any mention of female loporrits besides livingway? In my sidequests I only came upon male oe they/them ones||

[late aurora]

They have different genders?

[plush lava]

Yeh they not genderless like pxies

Pixies all their sidequests has them mentioned as he or they || and during msq urianger called livingway she||

[static niche]

i just witnessed the GREENIEST fucking reaper

[urban phoenix]

dumb question. do we know how job crystals are made?

[static niche]

it's so green it burns basically.

[urban phoenix]

like...in recent times i get more and more messages that literally everbody is using a jobcrystal....nobody is learning the art himself anymore....

[viscid monolith]

Apparently it isn't difficult to have job crystals made

Martyn as broke as he is managed to get hundreds of the made for Blue Mage.

[urban phoenix]

hu....one would have thought its hard as hell copying the memories of old masters over and over into crystals....

[viscid monolith]

Oh you can't copy them onto multiple crystals as far as I know

[urban phoenix]

thats the crazy thing then. because it sounds like everbody is using one

[viscid monolith]

As far as I know a job crystal gets passed down for generations

So you have multiple people passing their crystal down

[urban phoenix]

still

[robust atlas]

There’s some folks who are just learned at their craft— but there are others who inherit specific styles from prior generations via job crystals, yeah

[desert raven]

job crystal aka youtube guide

[robust atlas]

Job Crystal is literally a Desperius Rotation vid, yep

[robust crescent]

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOSJ0LInka4||
yikes... he even hid comments cause he knew he was doing something dumb level 89 spoilers

i'll never understand people like this

[lean ore]

lol

[robust crescent]

reply Oui

[lean ore]

but im not french /sweat

[plush lava]

This was the Outfit I did msq with, just colored the white jacket Black after some lvls

[robust crescent]

I've never liked that jacket on humans, that Neck line is just not it imo

[plush lava]

Also thanks to removed gender restrictions now hrothgar can let out their inner dancer

[late aurora]

MCH and BLU have fresh job crystals
Like there’s nothing on them

[desert raven]

"Now I'm motivated"

[late aurora]

!item Soul of the machinist

[lusty shadow]

**Soul of the Machinist** **:** Soul Crystal : ilvl 30 [Unique] [Untradeable]

Unlike other soul crystals, the surface of this multi-aspected stone has yet to be carved with the record of past deeds.

Powered by XIVAPI

[late aurora]

Same description for BLU stone

[urban phoenix]

can someone tell me whats up with that "painfully ishgardian man" in idyllshire

he sounds like chloe 2.0 and that girl scares the shit outta me

[urban phoenix]

look at those dark eyes

the devil...i tell ya diabolos incarnate....

[robust atlas]

Good ol’ Puddingway

[unreal delta]

Massive lvl 89-90 MSQ Spoilers

||My husband,,,,||

[robust atlas]

||”Promise me we’ll go to Ishgard after this”

After this

“Time to go help the Students of Baldesion, adios”||

[plush lava]

Also what I really like about sidequests || on the moon for example, people who only do msq "oh yeah its some weird magic that we can breath here and gravity is here" sidequest doers oh no those loporrits have to mine and change elemental crystals daily or all is Dooomed"||

[urban phoenix]

XD

||i did only msq, didnt bother to think about the "how" works on the moon||

[unreal delta]

also lvl89-90 MSQ Spoilers

[urban phoenix]

he

[lean ore]

lmao i was laughing after this xD

[unreal delta]

https://tenor.com/view/fwayri-gif-21921107

[urban phoenix]

just continue playing ruru.....

[plush lava]

I wonder || if the moon is the place that gets build and changed over time like mor dhona or idyllshire||

[urban phoenix]

[lean ore]

||its probably Garlemald ||

[unreal delta]

AAAAAAAAAA

[urban phoenix]

||doubt that because the tome place is radz at han..which is usually the place that changes.||

[unreal delta]

||NO A FISTBUMP ISNT ENOUGH LET ME HUG HIM||

||NO NOT TOMORROW AND TOMORROW KICKING IN IM ALREADY CRYING ENOUGH||

[lean ore]

||radz at han doesnt exactly need rebuilding tho ||

[lean ore]

cry

[humble heron]

Itll be ok, ruru

[plush lava]

Last quests in msq spoiler || was I the only one who was during the whole scene in the " eher theyll be back and fine" mood?||

[lean ore]

|| nah it was pretty obvious after Estinien tbh ||

[urban phoenix]

i know ||so maybe no rebuilding at all.....BUT they did mention we get a sanctuary and a farm on the moon remember? so maybe there will be "rebuild" stuff there? i couldnt care less bout garlemald. they are basically all dead besides a few stragglers. let the empire die and them get forced to integrate with other people. let the name "garlemald" die||

[desert raven]

||yeah i was like that too||

[lean ore]

|| the island sanctuary? xD ||

[urban phoenix]

||yeah that thing. we will see if it happens or if its a feature they canceled||

[lean ore]

guess so

[cinder spindle]

||holy fucking shit the fist fight between you and zenos reminds me so much of gurenn lagann||

[humble heron]

||they would have told us if it was cancelled, i think||

[lean ore]

|| think he means change of plans, we know IS isnt cancelled ||

[urban phoenix]

yeaah it was a pretty big hype for that after all so i doubt its silently removed

[lean ore]

i mean they confirmed on the last live letter that Island sanctuary is a 6.x feature 🤔

it would be odd to cancel it 4 weeks later

[plush lava]

Wonder if 6.1 to 6.5 will be || snippets of what are the schon are all up to after a while ||

[tranquil gorge]

Don’t know why, but the reaper quest line feels like a ff version of God Father

[lean ore]

|| probably just 6.1 i guess ||

[urban phoenix]

maybe...or more like ||"yeaaah i did bite off more than i could chew....can ye help?"|| as usual xD

[lean ore]

|| im more curious as who will be our new travelling companions ||

[desert raven]

||Get Meteion to meet Ryne and Gaia||

[lean ore]

|| i want Meteion to meet Ryne and tell her "Yes i am the reason the world was threatended and ruined countless of planets, hiiii!!"||

[urban phoenix]

oh please, can we check them off already. they played their part in the story and thats it.

[urban phoenix]

she isnt though?

[lean ore]

https://tenor.com/view/moogle-throw-pissed-angry-gif-12408277

[urban phoenix]

you know....i know it....everbody who paid attention in msq knows it 😛

[unreal delta]

she is..

[plush lava]

I wonder if next expansion gonna || play on one of the shards to give source some time for stuff getting Bad again ||

[urban phoenix]

it is what it is XD

[desert raven]

||Well technically its hermes fault||

[urban phoenix]

nah shes not. im not gonna spoil you so keep playin

[unreal delta]

she absolutely is regardless if its "Despair" that caused her to do so.

She IS the cause of the final days...right

[humble heron]

||shes definitely the direct cause of the final days on eitherys but her contribution to the rest of the universe being dead isnt as solid||

[desert raven]

she listened to too much billie eilish

[pallid girder]

||We see other worlds in the dead ends that were dying of other reasons, yes.||

[urban phoenix]

||nah the cause of that is hermes....think about it. they did KNEW meteions mission has gone wrong. but hermes in his crazy state he was, used her agony driven mind to "judge" on mankind like the ancient did on all the animals they created. it was his childish "fuck you" move against the ancients because they didnt see eye to eye to his "every life is precious" approach. there are a lot of what ifs if he didnt act how he acted. so the final days and all planets that did suffer from meteion afterwards go on his count||

[plush lava]

Also can we expect || pandemonium beeing a lahabrea elidibus cop movie raid? ||

[late aurora]

Whether it be ||their own fault or not ||

[lean ore]

|| he knew he fucked up when he was asked if the directives he gave to meteion and her sisters didnt have a "failsafe" or some shit ||

[unreal delta]

lvl 89-90 spoilers

||I wanna go home...||

[lean ore]

|| but it was still Meteion who went through with it so id blame both||

[plush lava]

I mean || miteon just horded all the aether that would flow to New living beeings in that egg, now that its ctacked there be more live in the universe again with time||

[late aurora]

||She didn’t really have a choice on the matter||

[mental sedge]

man watching like 10 summoners just call down primals one after another is so goddamn awesome

[lean ore]

|| yeah but im reffering to events before it ||

[lean ore]

||well shes fine now and restored so whatever ||

[urban phoenix]

||well the shown worlds are not of her making. the dragons where attacked by the 3th robo race and the ea wanted to kill themself because of the knowledge they gained bout the universe. the robo race didnt found any stronger enemies and just stagnated to death without orders....if meteion ended living worlds on her own none where shown. but we DO KNOW she hindered the "rebirth" of the fallen worlds. like nature reclaiming space and birthing new life she did hinder that. and fixed it with that song of hope in the end. at least thats my take on that||

[desert raven]

waiting for 6 SMN to make a piper perri meme with 5 titans and 1 garuda

[pallid girder]

im enjoying 6.0 SMN immensely

[urban phoenix]

||yeap and instead of thinking about how to fix that mess, he childishly lashed out against us being like "thats all your fault you drove me to this so you can reap what you sow"||

[mental sedge]

imagine an alliance raid of only summoners

[urban phoenix]

/all pet sizes smal

[mental sedge]

literally raining primals

[lean ore]

|| yeah i got so pissed when he used his battle form lol ||

[mental sedge]

I'm pretty sure with 25 summoners, you want them big

otherwise what's the point lol

[plush lava]

I need to do like 60 trials in old alliance / raids still for the first time

[urban phoenix]

imagine fighting em again...."what a second...YOU DARE SUMMON ME AGAINST MEEEE" XD

ultimate insult 😄

[lean ore]

i can imagine garuda complaining

[plush lava]

I need to lvl a summoner to 90 so i get scholar to 90 for role quests so etimes

[urban phoenix]

reminds me of the space flight scene. i laughed so hard when she started complaining 😂

[lean ore]

Susano was a chad tho

[humble heron]

Spoilers

[urban phoenix]

||and then uuuh susano? was the burner. dude knows how to crack people up||

[lean ore]

|| he totally hit on her tho ||

[urban phoenix]

||yes he did 😂 and she liked it ||

cant wait to replay endwalker with my na char after i finished grinding my want to classes to 90 and did my ex stuff

motivates me to play harder 😄 and since im having offdays till january.....\o/ i can play so hard

[lean ore]

gonna replay it on my Light char once queues settle down xD

[glad maple]

I’m am getting my ass whop by || venat || it’s hard to do as a black mage

[lean ore]

I just saw || Hydaelyn || EX mechs and they dont seem too hard oomf tempted to try it

[lean ore]

i had no trouble doing that duty as black mage tbh but its hard to keep up if u get hit a lot

[hollow ice]

yeah the second ex is as im told easier than the first and honestly it wasnt too hard, the patterns are very simple and easy to learn

[glad maple]

Even during the charging phase when || she gathering the little balls? || I could not keep up and || she keeps charging to max ||

[lean ore]

considering how BLM works atm i had no issue with that either

[desert raven]

first EX||that rotating mech/snakes exposes my monke brain||

[mental tangle]

Ricaaa la cosa ricaaa la cosa riiiicaaaaa

[lean ore]

i was also up to date with gear, idk about urs

[glad maple]

Well then I’m deff playing it wrong

[lean ore]

just set it on easy mode if u get stuck tbh

[glad maple]

Nah I’m not up date, I have a few rings behind and earrings

[lean ore]

|| first ex the falling stars shit scares me lol ||

[mental tangle]

Ricaaa la cosa ricaa la cosa riiiiocaaaa

[desert raven]

first few times i was so confused bc i didnt know how the thing in the sky applied to the arena

[lean ore]

|| thats where we wiped in normal mode too, idk how rotating platforms work in ex tho|| xd

[desert raven]

https://tenor.com/view/math-hmm-processing-gif-10273186

[lean ore]

https://tenor.com/view/king-of-braves-gaogaigar-anime-mecha-robot-gif-17914196

[boreal drum]

update from last night/this morning. SMN burst is insane and Coils is now finally finished

[weary merlin]

I erm, found a bug in the patch 6.0... So I was planning on doing The Warring Triad Quest chain and erm, I don't see the waiting destination spot. It's just not there... I can't do the quest. XD

[urban phoenix]

write a ticket?

[weary merlin]

WILL DO! ♥

[desert raven]

relog

[urban phoenix]

right here officer. the mobber XD

[weary merlin]

I...I think I can wait to do the quest...

[unreal delta]

im not sure what happens at the end that makes people love ||meteion||

[urban phoenix]

[unreal delta]

but how i feel right now is that im going to ||RIP THE FUCKING WINGS RIGHT OFF HER HEAD AND BEAT HER WITH THEM||

[urban phoenix]

love is a strong word. "not hate" is maybe better?

[unreal delta]

it has to be a big moment to even reach "not hate"

[urban phoenix]

i mean. ||she is a cute and lovely birb in elpis no?||

[unreal delta]

||oh in elpis, yeah i get it. she's adorable||

[desert raven]

cute waifu
neuron activation
me like

[unreal delta]

that cant be it right...

you can't simply forgive her because "eh she's cute"

[hollow sapphire]

Whatever the next story will be about, I hope we get to meet ||Azem || at some point

[desert raven]

who said anything about forgiveness

[weary merlin]

||IF you play a Hyur you know that Azem looks just like you with "Thin Aether" The only possible way for Azem to be a mystery is to play a non hyur race||

[desert raven]

I really wanted to meet ||Azem and for them to be unhinged af like Fray||

[hearty ravine]

Man the new pld blade combo while looks flashy as hell but it isnt that strong

[weary merlin]

I abandoned the quest and re-accepted the quest and yeah. The waiting destination is not there. This is a bug. If you complete Endwalkers, you can't complete or start the Warring Triads quest.

[lean ore]

|| they said i resemble Azem to my au ra, so probably similar appearance excluding scales/horns/tail||

[elder marsh]

how many of you didnt know that (trial 1 spoilers) ||that you can still attack zodiark during the stage movement?||

[unreal delta]

major lvl 89-90 MSQ Spoilers
||I'm going to lop off your head and crush it under my boot on my home planet you dumb fuckin bird||

[elder marsh]

no

[lean ore]

no

[unreal delta]

||it is as she said. "Hope cannot deliver you unto hopelessness" Then suffering shall be met with suffering and she will pay the price for our continued existence ||

[lean ore]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-girl-blue-haired-gif-14522120

[elder marsh]

||just as a reminder that meteion didnt want to talk about what she found at all in elpis, and we essentially forced her to talk about it.||

[unreal delta]

||I'm going to be really unhappy if the solution to all of this is "We have friendship :DDDDD" and befriend her and "make her see the happiness" She is responsible for the many many deaths back home.||

[elder marsh]

||not only that, but the person she trusted the most pushed her to keep going, agreeing with everything she said. she never wanted this to happen, but the story had a different plan||

[unreal delta]

||you see. I agree that it is mainly hermes who's made her do this. But hermes is dead, and meteion is still out here killing. So guess who im gonna be fucking mad at||

||Like yes. it was hermes who did this and was the initial cause. But wtf can we do about that? Hermes is long dead. Sundered and a shard of his already gone. But Meteion is still here. alive. and MURDERING BY THE HUNDREDS||

[elder marsh]

||youll see why we love her eventually if you remember what happened in elpis well enough||

[unreal delta]

||im sorry but theres nothing that happened in elpis that gives me even the slightest D R O P of empathy for this monstrosity||

[mellow spade]

Is there a way to get back into the|| edge of the universe|| instance? I forgot to take gposes lmao

[jolly sierra]

Bro just finish the msq so u don't accidentally get spoiled

[unreal delta]

okay okay

[dusky shoal]

||i just got the part where we get "captured" by the garleans on EW the fact that they feel like cuffing alphinaud and alisae would restrain them but cuffing the WOL would literally be useless its still hilarious to me love that part||

[unreal delta]

||i mean it is basically useless lmao. We'd probably just rip off the collar instantly or if someones more magick aligned, just disable it.||

[plush lava]

Question for post msq ||anyone found all the scions in the world yet, so far I only have visited alisaie and alphinaud and tataru, but not sure where I should look for example for thancred and uriangier||

[hollow wraith]

mildish endwalker spoiler - I just found this amusing

[static niche]

you dare diss on ||meteion, smh, you're a vile cur.||

[minor wren]

||Estinien in Radz at the bar area.||

[karmic walrus]

Question For role quests: ||is there an extra cutscene or dialog for completing all of them and if so what quest or roughly when is the cut off for this?||

[minor wren]

||That will appear in 6.1.||

[static niche]

no cut off

[dusky shoal]

||bro these HW references with Haurchefaunt are gonna make me cry||

[mental tangle]

Wao wao wao wao im criying

[karmic walrus]

Ok thanks, I'll keep an eye out for 6.1 then

[mental tangle]

Wee

[plush lava]

ok || krile and graha were easy to find, still only missing is urangier and thancred ||

[minor wren]

||They are both at the Ragnarok in Thaumezain.||

[late aurora]

Speaking of that, did you hear the lore explanation on why ||it’s in 2 places simultaneously ||

[short oak]

||actually where are they? ive only found thancred n urianger in front of ragnarok||

[mental tangle]

Damm that ending broo daaaaamm

[plush lava]

||allisaie and alphinaud in garlemald station, krile and graha in the baldasion group room||

[mental tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/oscars-standing-ovation-clap-clapping-applause-gif-5089552

[plush lava]

||This implies that there are bnuuy children 🤔 ||

[lunar hound]

||I imagine Y'shtola is at Matoya's Cave||

[dense jackal]

just finished and WOW such a good expansion

[mental tangle]

Brabo brabo

[short oak]

speaking of which ||where are all those loporrits at anyway||

[jolly sierra]

The thing is wow didn't have a good expansion

[minor wren]

||She is.||

[mental tangle]

Fck wow bro EW finales was orgasmic

||That zenos jejeje hes stold the show||

https://tenor.com/view/maravillosa-jugada-gran-jugada-turn-down-turn-down-for-what-pum-en-tu-cara-gif-14677733

[plush lava]

hey I even got ||double the thancred||

[minor wren]

lmao

[mellow nymph]

I... i have... completed the second trial...

||im crying... i wished i could go on a journey together with you Venat... goodbye.||

[mental tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/despicable-me-minions-funny-lol-gif-3410946

[mental tangle]

Hmm seems legit

[stiff pewter]

||There's no reason to doubt Xenos being a Fragment of Azem.

"My Mirror" he says.||

[short oak]

||which shard is he from tho if so 🤔 ||

[strange beacon]

||its not like u have to be from different shards||

[plush lava]

also || y'shtola is in matoyas cave ||

[stiff pewter]

|| There's no hard and fast rule of Sundered persons being spread over separate stars....

not YET at least||

[short oak]

🤔

[strange beacon]

||venat hard carried all of ffxiv as a whole and im not even allowed to hug her||

[stiff pewter]

@strange beacon ||Meanwhile Zodiark gets passed over hard....though Elidibus and Emet-Selch made a good show of it.||

[stiff pewter]

||The Misdirection of Zodiark's active participation in events was surprising to me.

but then you realize the first primals are basically spiritual mechs that have no personality without a pilot.

and Zodiark was depowered and his original 'pilot' was slain while ejected.||

[late aurora]

Have you heard of foils?

[strange beacon]

||thats the one thing i didn't like about endwalker. it uses zodiark as a tool when there could have been so much potential for zodiark himself. i know he was sundered and all but the build up to his fight felt like he was just another primal going loose||

||also it doesn't explain the evil mothercrystal||

[minor wren]

||Zodiark was always a tool.||

[urban phoenix]

why especially bunny? viera are nongender till the teens where nature magically decides which gender they are....the boys are kicked out of the village because these are just sperm donators the girls are kept

[stiff pewter]

Y||es, I have.

But I viewed Zenos as a meta-narrative about the realistic motivations of a Player-Character.

The primary player base of FF games are people seeking fantasy adventure, with plots being generally resolved through violent conflict.

While the WoL is a proper and wholesome Player personality that plays with well rounded interests and altruistic motives,

Zenos is the player-character drawn solely to combat and even has a stint in the middle of EW as a literal Murder-hobo archetype after the fall of Garlemald.||

[static niche]

i do wonder what was the goal of that dark mothercrystal
especially now that ||both are gone||

maybe retcon?

[late aurora]

Well in any case, he’s ||not an Azem||

[short oak]

||are they both gone? they never really showed what happened to zodiark's||

[static niche]

||83 says it all||

[vital brook]

im doing the jump puzzle, how do i reach from here to that other rooftop?

[short oak]

||i mean i get fandaniel kills him off, but they never really explained what happened to the crystal||

[urban phoenix]

||the dark mother crystal was just the symbolization for zodiark because hydaelyn as one of the oldest and most powerful primals was symbolized as the light crystal for a long time till we found out its just a giga chunk of aether in endwalker||

[static niche]

||we don't know that actually, that dark mothercrystal was a vision we saw somewhere in ARR||

[urban phoenix]

did we? can you jogg my memory when?

[static niche]

somewhere in ARR i said.

[urban phoenix]

yeah but that is still very vague. when roguely in the story of arr i mean

[static niche]

Should be 2.1 to 2.55

[stiff pewter]

@late aurora
||
Neither are WE....
not in whole. We are a fragment with the freedom to be flawed...even irreparably so.

Venat saw too it that the people of the Star would wade through a mire to eke out their existence and suffer and be shaped by that suffering...

Hermes' sundering into Amon is a perfect example of that.||

[short oak]

||maybe if what reapingway says is true and its more symbolic rather than literal||

[vital brook]

bro is this the end of the jump puzzle or am i missing something?

[static niche]

Again ||Seems odd to have a vision, mind you, a vision of a future enemy be so vague, and never use that dark mothercrystal again to represent zodiark||

[static niche]

that looks gross

[mental tangle]

||So if hidelin sundered zodiak and thous we were born that means hidelin and zodiak did the delicius and zodiad was sundered by snusnus ||

[vital brook]

eh?

[urban phoenix]

||could be our characters envision how the mother crystal or hydaelyn is corrupted or dies.||

[static niche]

but the thing is. ||what we see in a vision is always in past, never future.||

[urban phoenix]

||you do see how venat aka hydaelyn sunders it....there is a flashback....||

[short oak]

||i was actually expecting a hydaelyn kick but||

[mental tangle]

||The paintings on SHB cave ||

[urban phoenix]

||no i mean in endwalker||

[late aurora]

I don’t think you’re getting it, it’s impossible for him be an ||Azem shard||

[mental tangle]

Yes but maibe theres more to it xD

[stiff pewter]

||But that IS still relevant as the resovoir of Aether within Zodiark is still comparable to the mother Chrystal (which is now depleted)....and with it still free floating, it's a ripe target for villanous exploitation.||

[urban phoenix]

thats just your craving....bad boo boo XD

[static niche]

||didn't they say EW is the conclusion for Ascians conflict correct?||

[minor wren]

||Yes.||

[mental tangle]

Come lets find the answers together

[urban phoenix]

i need to check on that vision to give my take because right now i cant remember the vision

[static niche]

||They didn't state that it was end of Zodiark or Hydaelyn right?||

[unreal delta]

and so, i have accepted the quest. Endwalker

[mental tangle]

[plush lava]

I mean || it doesn't even have to be zodarks essense really, there could also be just some crazy people flying the moon into the planet :V||

[stiff pewter]

||What specifically bars him from being a shard?||

[late aurora]

Because we’re the ||azem shard|| for the source

[minor wren]

||They did say that too.||

[urban phoenix]

||he cant be a azem shard if he is a hermes shard already?||

[mental tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-black-guy-meme-sad-gif-11746329

[late aurora]

And Zenos is also from the source

[urban phoenix]

ooooh zenos

[static niche]

||Ah well, guess the question of that random dark mothercrystal will forever be unanswered until someone ask it or it's actually something entirely different||

[plush lava]

but ||uriangier agrees about da moon ||

[vital brook]

That was just ||Zodiark|| representation

[urban phoenix]

again i need more context on that

[stiff pewter]

I used Hermes and Amon as examples of how a Source person and there Shard can develop into extremely different persons.

[mental tangle]

Respectto lord Zenos https://tenor.com/view/goku-bowing-respect-peace-dragon-ball-super-gif-16723914

[static niche]

||The fact it's never reused like that even when Zodiark is revealed or otherwise irks me a little and I want to believe there's more to it.||

[vital brook]

Eh, i think it was just retconned

[urban phoenix]

oh it is used actually....

[unreal delta]

lvl 89-90 msq spoilers

||uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhggggggggggggggggggg just let me kill meteion already i want her gone||

[static niche]

when? cuz there's only one instance of it being like that and that's in a vision.

[urban phoenix]

the shadowbringers ast weapon uses the design of both

[vital brook]

no

[mental tangle]

||Bhot are mad as hell||

[plush lava]

I mean in the end the ||Mother crystal was a motherload of aether where booba hydalyn hid behind ||

[mental tangle]

||Hidelin sooo sexy hmmm momi||

[unreal delta]

||say it like that and i especially do not. also that thing is a fucking monstrosity who has murdered hundreds if not thousands of people||

[static niche]

||You'll find out what really happened. Please look forward to it||

[urban phoenix]

||https://www.tumbral.com/tag/astrometer||

[mental tangle]

I wana play WAR And PLD

[stiff pewter]

||That's all I have, because this whole idea of mine is a conjecture built on limited information.

Like...do the other Player-Character Adventurers count as Azem shards?

is there a possibility that All Players are shards of the single Adventurer Azem and share that bond?

We interact with them in gameplay but never in MS outside of completing the Duty||

[dusky shoal]

can we talk about how well alphi and alisae compliment each other? like pls tell im not the only one who loves their twin dinamic

[unreal delta]

https://tenor.com/view/he-was-forced-to-play-ffxiv-he-was-forced-to-play-he-was-forced-to-play-ffxiv-gif-22827495

[mental tangle]

WAR is so brokend now

[dusky shoal]

must be on shadowbringers

[static niche]

Not seeing it

[urban phoenix]

the first gif

[static niche]

yeah and i'm not seeing it

all im seeing is light blue and dark blue

specifically referring to their sects

[urban phoenix]

its a dark and a light mini momma circling each other....i might think too much into it also

[mental tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/we-dont-do-that-here-black-panther-tchalla-bruce-gif-16558003

[urban phoenix]

||we have a azem shard in each shard of the source of course. mind you we are a azem shard of the azem that was venats sucessor....the azem that jumped headstraight in the volcano...which is why emet reacts so allergic to you when you meet in elpis. ardbert was another azem shard that joined with us. mind you also 7 azem shards joined into the source and were "born" with us the wol as one shard, as the reflection in the source. but there is no saying that we dont meet other azem shards in other reflections should we ever travel to them.||

[vital brook]

hey look, Sharlayan has Aurora borealis

[stiff pewter]

ah, That's ~Right!

[mental tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-crying-jensen-ackles-gif-15614683

[warped hull]

i think it’s ||6||?

[vital brook]

Cmon Sharlayan, where is my goddang Forum outfit? they cant just tease me with a sidequest of me wearing it and then not letting me wear it again

[warped hull]

I thought one of ||Azem’s shard died with the first rejoining||?

I mean ||dead dead, not the go have a walk in afterlife dead like how people usually die||

[stiff pewter]

||Does that prohibit them from infusing the Sources' Azem shard...if not, that permits their power to join with the PC||

[pseudo quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/kurt-angle-deep-breath-sighs-deep-sigh-wwe-gif-11382487

[urban phoenix]

||everytime a rejoining happens all souls of the shards die and return to the lifestream which would be the source one because otherwise they would be in the nothingness?||

[static niche]

[late aurora]

I mean 13th ||Azem|| is probably a voidsent, I dunno

[warped hull]

Yeah but they said they fucked up, and ||that shard is just a void now so I assume they mean all souls on that shard is lost||

[static niche]

considering ||azem persona, i'd say they probably died trying to stop the whole shits from happening but it was one vs world so someone brought their soul over to source||

[stiff pewter]

||but isn't the 13th Super fucked?...because it became a void of mutant aetherflows that formed into Void beings?

like that was a failure||

[urban phoenix]

||ardbert joined us so its seven 🙂 6 from the rejoining + ardberts||

[warped hull]

Spoiler, be like us FBI people

[warped hull]

Oh yeah, that make sense

[late aurora]

Someone did a bad, ||flood of darkness ||. Everything’s fucked

[stiff pewter]

Exactly

[urban phoenix]

||yes the 13th shard is lost and that azem probably turned into a void being. true then its still 7 shards. 1 source 5 rejoinings and 1 from ardbert||

[dusky shoal]

AYOOOOOOOOOOO WTF?

[urban phoenix]

good riddance

oh by the way about the dark crystal.|| people in the forum said it should be bahamuts heart. because the dark crystal is shown in coil 13 below the platform||

[static niche]

that's really fucking weird then

[mellow nymph]

So just asking, can i post a image of just my WoL with AF gear here? Just asking? (Its cause its something i always do on XIV discussion but i dunno if it would count as spoiler or not for there?

[urban phoenix]

mind you its 2.0 content so maybe the lack of time forced em to do this move

[stiff pewter]

||Interesting Fact is that despite Zodiark and the Ascians being dissapated....

possibilty remains that Rejoinings can still happen if someone or something triggers them

This raises the idea of Unakhalkai or whatever-his-name-is being relevant to a main story about resolving the issues with the 13th||

[urban phoenix]

not making a unique heart or something

[granite nimbus]

Don't see why not. AF gear isn't inherently a spoiler. Might be a good idea to blur the background with the depth slider if you can.

[urban phoenix]

would be why the dark crystal was never used later on

[static niche]

problem is ||rejoining require a calamity of great scale.||

[late aurora]

It would make sense with ||him siphoning Aether to regenerate||

[mellow nymph]

Im just at ||sharlayan inn|| does it count as spoiler?

[late aurora]

It’s just gear, that we’ve already seen multiple times

[stiff pewter]

||Horrible shit and societal collapses and disasters are a regular occurance in the lifecycles of a Star....all that's needed is for the civilization on the Reflections to fuck some shit up so bad that Concerned persons on the Source will notice it||

[urban phoenix]

||could be....but what for? the rejoinings where done to weaken hydaelyn and strengthen zodiark. both are gone now. besides being an absolute clusterfuck maniac who wants to literally see a whole world burn and vanish....also nobody has the knowledge about besides unakhalkai and hes weaker than your average scion....doubt he has the means to do something like that||

[urban phoenix]

just shot it in a shb or pre shb area?

[mellow nymph]

Yeahi know, but i wanted to do it one last time, since damn it has been what, nearly 4 months since i started this game, and it has been a ride

[gaunt star]

labrynthos blue quest: ||can anyone explain to me why im able to hear the little troll creature? i forgot what special power i get lets me do that. is that the echo?||

[mellow nymph]

True because im dumb XD

[late aurora]

Yeah we get translation powers from the echo

[urban phoenix]

||yes he has the power of echo. dont ask me how....he "read it in a book" was the explanation ||

ah no yeah im dumb fuil is right.

[gaunt star]

||oh i never got to that bit, i was just wondering why my character was able to hear him since the story was acting as though i knew already how to di it, i forgot lmao||

gotcha gotcha alright lol, thanks!

[stiff pewter]

||Well there's your opening for new interesting players to enter the stage. Emet-Selch wasn't scripted with a sales pitch for future Arcs for nothing. FF14 is fundamentally a product...there'll be a show as long as there's a cash flow||

[keen osprey]

After all this... I still don't understand what is the Echo

[granite nimbus]

I mean, it's explained to you in ShB.

A remnant of the power of the ancient soul you had before it was sundered.

[urban phoenix]

||well with the foreshadowing i would say, for now we revert back to our roots. being an adventurer. after all...we where an adventurer with a gift who joined the scions....the whole "warrior of light" thing was a thing the people just slapped on us. we never really took that title. people just gave it to us.|| @keen osprey the echo is like your footstamp that you are a person who carries a part of a ancient soul inside

[keen osprey]

So it's a fragment of what was once Creation magicks?

[urban phoenix]

no

its a fragment of a ancients soul merged with your own. but i do like the take with creation magick

could be both

[astral trout]

||Tall flower mobs throw their seeds at you ...||

[keen osprey]

I mean it's strange that a sundered ancient's soul gives us a myriad of powers ranging from viewing memories, seeing the future, in the ascians' cases merging with one another...

[stiff pewter]

@urban phoenix
||Remember how Elidibus triggered the Echo in people by showing them star showers....but then the star showers actually came true in the Source...but no mention of people recalling their unsundered selves?||

[keen osprey]

That's another thing that's got me confused with EW. ||So we know Hydaelyn is actually Venat, and according to Elidibus, the echo is a result of remembering the final days somewhat, and it allows us to hear Venat's call... Like... I don't get it? For what purpose does Venat call? The echo is some random power we get because we had a sundered ancient's soul?||

If you guys told me the Echo is a sundered ancient's creation magicks, maybe i could understand what it was (although not understand the mechanics of why it allows us to hear Hydaelyn and why she calls out)

[vital brook]

hey guys, im Dovahkin

[novel furnace]

||The echo is us recalling our past life and regaining a portion of the power we had||

[urban phoenix]

||she calls out to help stop the ascians of course. yeah the echo is a kinda weird power. as the names its a echo of the past so to say....||

[stiff pewter]

||guess it's safe to assume that Venat's call got weaker as the mother chrystal was drained so that may explain it....but who knows.... the writers gave themselves wiggle room, I know that||

[blazing edge]

The Echo is soul PTSD from the Final Days happening

[novel furnace]

||she's saying "OI LISTEN, THE ASCIANS ARE UP TO SOME SHIT AND I DON'T HAVE THE ENERGY TO WHOOP THEM MYSELF"||

[vernal nacelle]

||OOOOOOOF that post-Zone 5 cutscene tho.||

[keen osprey]

||Pretty sure the mother crystal was never drained at any point. Just an accumulation of aether that naturally draws itself to wherever Hydaelyn is.||
||Rather, it's a case of with each rejoining, Hydaelyn needs to exert more power/focus on containing Zodiark that prevents her from using more of her power||

As for why she doesn't communicate with us immediately after ||we kill Zodiark is... unknown||

[stiff pewter]

||That's true....but Hydaelyn AND Zodiark have dissapated now....so we Should expect a noticeable flux of aether.... like there's a literal power vacuum in the Star and an Overflow from the Moon....how can that not cause some sort of catastrophe?||

[urban phoenix]

||hydaelyn basically just chilled where the mothercrystal is for fuel reason i guess? yeah the mothercrystal only got drained now in ew with us traveling to thule and zenos chomping down the rest to follow||

[urban phoenix]

||because hydaelyn and zodiark where born from souls. that stream of souls joins the lifestream. no aether moving||

[keen osprey]

Idk? Perhaps they explained it and i missed it, but i assume it has something to do with the whole ||becoming the "Will of the Star" and the Aetherial Sea's nature so she has to reside there?||

[urban phoenix]

||i would say she was there to a) protect the mothershard being used for bad. imagine that huge chunk of aether getting in the wrong hands.... and the aetherial sea/lifestream kinda "ends" at the mothercrystal and b) she also needs aether to stay alive? after all she is a primal...they need massives amount of aether to exist remember?||

[stiff pewter]

||It was never stated that the Souls and the Aether of the sacrificed were mutually exclusive. Like there souls were absorbed but that could just be incidental to their corporeal forms being sucked in as needed.
Remember Zodiark staved off the Dynamis radiation from Thule by shielding the Star in a shell of Aether.
So Zodiark was both Souls and Aether focused into a point.||

[urban phoenix]

||that was before the sundering. maybe all that aether was the mothercrystal? questions questions....but a rise in aether would only mean a rise in crystalized aether popping up. with the tribes being pacified no summonings happen so far. it does however can be used as a reason for new dangers for new adventures for sure||

[keen osprey]

||Do they though? Perhaps it's true of the primals created by the beast tribes as a means of force, that they drain the aether around them to do what the beast tribes imagined they would do, but it didn't seem to be the case of Zodiark and Hydaelyn? Perhaps if they're inactive, they don't drain the aether around them. ||
||Also, perhaps it may be due to how short their summoning was, but the Primals that helped us with the Ragnarok doesn't seem to exhibit said nature as well. Perhaps when not summoned as a malicious entity, they don't actually drain aether as much as we'd believe they would?||

[stiff pewter]

||Well...if Ceruleam turns out to be combustible Aether similar to Mako from FF7 then that's a flashpoint in itself by setting off a gold rush for all the Aether resources becoming available....

Especially if Magitek use spreads over the world through Trade with the new and inevitably formed Garlean Republic as part of global reconstruction.||

[sudden spruce]

Next expac, ||destroy the allags||

[novel furnace]

||The primals from the beast tribes are explicitly made incorrectly||

[urban phoenix]

gosh thats a lot to answer....uuuuh lemme seee

[unreal delta]

Spoilers for lvl 90 Trial

||And so the final day cometh. time to finally put down meteion||

[keen osprey]

||I doubt Emet would introduce a fuel source that would harm the star with its continual use.||
||Also, iirc, they follow the rules of conservation, in that Aether can neither be created, nor destroyed, just converted from 1 form of energy to another.||

[late aurora]

Also it’s fantasy OIL

[novel furnace]

||They're incomplete constructs that drain the aether around them to sustain themselves, rather than being a normal construct like the beings in Elpis||

||Zodiark and Hydaelyn are made correctly, ergo they don't drain the planet constantly||

[stiff pewter]

||By the time we encounter Emet-Selch, he was looking to make the Father of all Omelettes and was well on his way to break no small amount of Eggs.||

[stiff pewter]

||Yeah, but if it's Aether that's converted into Thermal Energy....that's a conversion that doesn't flow back into the Star.

They literally spoke about Thermodynamics and Universal Heat-Death in Ultima Thule.

Ceruleam can be REALLY BAD||

[glad maple]

|| vanar is such an awesome character! Damnn the story has gotten so good!😩😩 ||

[urban phoenix]

||@keen osprey the primals that where summoned to power the ragnarok where summoned with a different ritual than usual. the ritual that the ascians spread to summon primals had a "nasty technicality in it" that would make its so they want to enthrall everything. livingway actually explains that. livingway also told you he/she/it? gave the tribes another ritual for the ragnarok summoning.

@stiff pewter maco and aether are 2 different things entirely. maco was the lifeblood of the planet burned like oil. also as caffeine said aether follows the rules of conversation. it cannot be created nor destroyed so no ceruleum must be something different than "oil aether". ||

[glad maple]

|| best video game story in history || 😩😩

[novel furnace]

||Just say "they" fam, you're doing so much work for nothing||

[stiff pewter]

||Conversion and Dissapation are NOT forms of destruction.

That's the process of entropy in action.||

[urban phoenix]

its 4am so imma pull the shameless card of "to tired for hat" XD

its some magic mumbo jumbo okay XD it just works

[glad maple]

Who would have thought that || hydaline || would be such an || awesome character! ||

[dusky shoal]

||THIS MF DONE TOOK OVER MY BODY||

[supple saffron]

Man, ||Hythlodaeus|| is kinda hot

[dusky shoal]

||of course the homies would know its not me||

[unreal delta]

lvl 90 trial Spoilers

||No, Fuck off||

|| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbAwAn5oo-k ||

||im mad. story's trying to make me feel sympathy for her||

[late aurora]

And thus the ||Final Days continued in Ruru’s universe||

[unreal delta]

||SHE'S KILLED HUNDREDS AND IM JUST SUPPOSED TO FORGIVE HER, WHAT, BECAUSE SHE'S SAD?||

||ARE YOU K I D D I N G M E ?||

||IM A DARK KNIGHT, MY POWERS LITERALLY STEM FROM THE ANGER OF THE WRONGDOINGS DONE TO MY LOVED ONES, AND IM JUST SUPPOSED TO F O R GI V E H E R???????||

||nah im mad, i still hate her||

[vital timber]

I'd still be friends with her despite all that's happened. The least I can do is show her that tiny sliver of joy there is.

[urban phoenix]

||she didnt kill anybody ruru....the worlds you see in thule are ones she found already ruined. the dragons where ruined by robo race who also invented omega. and the ea want to die because they found out about the universe. you also see that in the dungeon. all of these planets where fucked before she showed up. the only thing she did was using her powers to stop the healing process afterwards, which she fixes by the ned as you hopefully seen by now.||

[sand shore]

Why is that surprising anyway? The WoL has always been optimistic and forgiving

[vital timber]

||They were following their directive and they have reacted accordingly based on it's logic, turning them mad. ||

[urban phoenix]

thaaaat is not entirely true. we had our fair share of execution and killing

[sand shore]

Mostly primals and tempered

[granite nimbus]

And Garleans, lots of Garleans.

[urban phoenix]

and wildlife...lots of wildlife

[granite nimbus]

And poor Garlean conscripts who happened to be on the wrong side when the Warrior strides through the door.

[tropic frigate]

Knights

[urban phoenix]

right ishgardian zealots

[granite nimbus]

But the Warrior is, on average, a pretty forgiving person unless it's being played for drama or comedy.

[unreal delta]

||did thavnair just not happen to you?||

[sand shore]

||But it shouldn’t be surprising how the story concluded when the WoL is willing to forgive or at least be sympathetic to villains. Villains being given a second chance has been going since ARR||

[granite nimbus]

I mean, hell, Emet-Selch is directly responsible for 90% of the threats in the story.

[sand shore]

And seven rejoinings lul

[granite nimbus]

Not to mention ending numerous worlds and countless inhabitants in the name of the Rejoining.

The Warrior still finds it in them to honor his last request.

[urban phoenix]

fine....fair point

but these where just some npcs XD npcs like these die all the time Xd

[granite nimbus]

Well, ||Meteion wasn't exactly in her right mind and didn't want to do these things, but she's so overwhelmed by despair that she snapped.||

[sand shore]

Exactly it’s her nature

[granite nimbus]

||She says as much that she's not expecting forgiveness nor can she simply undo the deaths, but she wants to limit the damage she causes afterward by singing a song of hope instead of despair.||

[unreal delta]

||what about the citizens of garlemald and THE SCIONS???????||

[sand shore]

||Well what would you like the WoL to do? Execute her on the spot? Just not his character. Estinien being a scions is a literal reminder that an eye for an eye is pointless||

[unreal delta]

||anything other than forgive her then and there||

[urban phoenix]

||exactly. you also see this when there is the giant swarm of black birbs and one blue birb (the meteion we "cleansed" first). just look at it like a tempering in the form of dynamis ||@unreal delta

||oh cmon who cares bout some shitty garleans....if meteion didnt kill them we would||

[elder marsh]

literally

an eye for an eye, where the eye is actually your entire body

so, is ||LB dynamis, and if so, what links it to it?||

[sand shore]

|| WoL forgiving Meteion is consistent to me 🤷 if Nero, Gaius, Yotsuyu, Fordola, Emet, Elidibus got a pass… some weren’t totally forgiven but the WoL was at least sympathetic to them in most cases||

[unreal delta]

||yes ik its in character for the wol||

||it does make sense for her to do it, not saying it isnt||

||im still mad about it tho cause it feels an unsatifying end to me||

[elder marsh]

||the satisfying end was killing zenos.||

[unreal delta]

||it was||

[elder marsh]

||tbh when meteion said "can we be friends", i was like "we already are friends"||

[unreal delta]

||you already know what i said ||

[elder marsh]

ah yes, the classic fuck you

[urban phoenix]

yeah me too i actually literally said in front of the pc

[gleaming bough]

Mus be weird playing those job quest starting from lvl 70.

Cuz WoL at that point faced gods and demons , but some local punk think he can take you on.

[humble heron]

||i mean, to play devils advocate here, i suspect anyone in meteion's position would also have gone batshit insane when they saw that the universe was just full of dead planets, so i don't blame meteion too much||

[vital timber]

My thoughts exactly.|| If you see too many civilizations end up being ruined for one reason or another, you'd end up coming to accept it and feel like there's no point to it it all. ||

"Soul gem turn to grif sid".

[urban phoenix]

||yeah girl saw some fucking nuts stuff....worse is hermes even ADMITS he never teached her about social life and structure before....no he creates her and the sister and just sends em off to space on search for a philosophical question||

[urban phoenix]

well actually in the reaper questline the villain isnt a local punk. and the sage questline...well its a healer questline...

[unreal delta]

||ul'dah music in the credits?||

[urban phoenix]

||nah? its flow i think you get the scroll after the roll||

[granite nimbus]

To be fair, the WoL doesn't go around announcing that they're the greatest adventurer ever.

A lot of people know their face, but not everyone (mainly the morons with inflated views of their own skills).

[sand shore]

Gotta consider those quest lines as if there were their own time pockets. For example if you do dragoon after having finished heanvensward it’s pretty awkward otherwise

[granite nimbus]

Same for MCH.

[humble heron]

@unreal delta ||so what did you think of the msq, now that you are rolling credits? you've still got a tiny bit left but the majority is over||

[gleaming bough]

Even by level 70 you already fought shinryu

[sand shore]

Yeah but if I do a lvl 30-50 job quests for example, I consider the quest line taking place during ARR

[unreal delta]

||great. I would say its mostly equal to SHB with SHB being a bit better simply due to how meteion being handled was not satisfying to me, even if thats how the story SHOULD go, thats just personal preference. The only other thing that holds back EW is that its pacing is super fast, but thats makes sense. its an end to an 8 year long story, you can only cram so much in before it gets too lengthy||

[sand shore]

And lvl 60 to 70 your job quests have higher stakes in general than getting mugged by random mooks (and the npcs generally acknowledge how strong you are)

[humble heron]

||yeah, the pacing is a little wack. however we have even more hot boys™️ in EW||

[unreal delta]

||oh fuck yeah||

[gleaming bough]

Oh yeah like rpr, the mentor would mentioned you liberaated ala mhigo.

So technically you are post shinryu at that point, some local voidsent punk shouldn't be much problem

[urban phoenix]

pacing to fast? i just felt to many emotional nukes where dropped

[gleaming bough]

Iirc someone mentioned the 2nd half of the story suppose to be another whole new expansiom but they combined into one

[humble heron]

but i mean i think ishikawa didn't choke at the end which is not an easy task

[sand shore]

The lvl 88-89 is already a climax in itself before even reaching the last zone

[unreal delta]

||imho EW was a very SCARY expac. SHB made me cry, EW terrified me||

[gleaming bough]

True....

[humble heron]

||garlemald made me cry fearful tears||

[unreal delta]

||the moment when your body gets stolen. holy fuck i was shitting bricks||

[gleaming bough]

||Man those monster..... They look like beta from muv luv and that scares me,,||

[humble heron]

||i mean, to say nothing of ultima thule. jesus, man, it doesn't feel like it fits into ff14 but it works anyway||

[sand shore]

Endwalker reminds me a lot of Mass Effect 2 and 3 in a way

[gleaming bough]

3rd dungeon, first mini boss, nuff said

[urban phoenix]

i felt violated....r word even. i felt so dirty i took a shower in irl.

[humble heron]

it was a very visceral experience is what I would say, from the cutscene to the duty that followed. Really got my heart pumping

[gleaming bough]

Mouths on the ground.......

[split forum]

Final trial spoils || I finally figured out who Endsinger’s design reminded me of ||

[gleaming bough]

Mouths with teeth on the ground......

[vital timber]

Really? Then what can you tell me about the Reapers?

[split forum]

I mean, I get the comparison. A desperate fight against an inevitable end at the hands of a creature who has capabilities you’re barely capable of comprehending

[humble heron]

but unlike mass effect 3, ||people like the ending of EW, generally||

[split forum]

I like my RGB ending selector 5000, thank you very much

[gleaming bough]

Those thing reminds me of this

[sand shore]

||Ultima Thule got similar vibes to the suicide mission in the collector base. Then the whole preventing an apocalypse that you can scarcely comprehend. Extra lore on Omicron kind of reminds me of ME geth ||

[sand shore]

Yeah ME3 is mostly enjoyed for the journey, not the end

[split forum]

|| The geth are infinitely more sympathetic than the effing Omicrons.||

[sand shore]

Agree, but they both raise interesting questions about artificial life forms, sentience, conflict etc. It’s a different take and I enjoy both

[split forum]

Are you fighting mobs I don’t remember ever seeing?

[humble heron]

the answer is that ||yshtola should just turn everyone into toads||

[split forum]

1 more archeotania fate and my transformation will be complete

[gleaming bough]

3rd dungeon first boss

[vernal nacelle]

This Lalafel has the most un-befitting voice ever and I love it. Zone 2 (or 1?) second go-around.

[gleaming bough]

Also one that look like scorpions but with stinger replaced with a human mouth and teeth

[split forum]

This expansion has been such a trip, I forgot about the cosmic horror that was that dungeon, lol

[gleaming bough]

When i saw those, i immediately remember the BETAs from muv luv

[humble heron]

@vernal nacelle does it make you want to blow stuff up?

[unreal delta]

i can finally watch ffxiv streamers again

[humble heron]

Same ive actually been watching streamers play ew on the vods

[magic kelp]

vodwatchers rejoice

[vital timber]

Next months headline: Final Fantasy XIV's player count drops 50 percent
My reaction: BEST NEWS I HAVE HEARD IN A WHILE!!!!!

[unreal delta]

Inhale

[humble heron]

Uh oh ruru bout to go off

[unreal delta]

end of msq spoilers

||YOU FUCKING W H A T||

[next quarry]

To be honest

[vernal nacelle]

@humble heron Not sure I get the reference.

[hollow ice]

||their whole job is to prevent apocalypses, you just prevented the end of all life, yer out of a job for a while||

[humble heron]

Oh i just meant that lalas character if its level 88

[next quarry]

||my impression is that they don't want the GCs to rely on them too much||

[vernal nacelle]

@humble heron Yeah it's level 88.

[humble heron]

Yeah i love him

[unreal delta]

||well. I mean. while I doubt such, i hope this doesn't mean the group as a whole is disbanding||

[next quarry]

||It is, they're still friends||

[vital timber]

||The Scions are not exactly disbanded. But it's high time they lay low for a while so that the new Grand Company can flourish. ||

[unreal delta]

||Like I severely doubt they would just do that and say "WELP. UR DONE WITH THE SCIONS, SAY BYE TO PEOPLE WHO ARE BASICALLY YOUR FAMILY FOR A NEW ADVENTURE TM"||

[hollow ice]

||tataru said that theyre basically just going dormant and shes using her tailoring business as a front to hid scion activity so you are really more on break than anything||

[jolly sierra]

ok but the real question is why cant we || be part of the gc of eorzea and use titles from one and glamour from another ||

[gaunt star]

88 msq: ||ELF MOM SAID FUCK THE ONE PERCENT||

[humble heron]

Faye they should hire u at sqeenix

[next quarry]

||Honestly I want a fresh new cast, maybe with a roe in the main party||

[vital timber]

||Remember, the Scions operate independently of governments. They would rather work with them than for them. ||

[humble heron]

||5 femroes and a single bunny boi as the new scions, yay or nay||