retired-patch-6-3-discussion

[sudden spruce]

Exactly

[gusty tartan]

finished the story and all I want to do is NG+ again but its not out:(

[quick owl]

Pretty much every major plot development in Dragon Ball was either because Toriyama as trying to cut corners or, in the case of pretty much every plot development post Frieza Saga, because his editors were disatisfied with the current villain.

[lusty herald]

Fan art or not, the general idea is very much the same. Regardless, anything the FF14 devs do is gonna look different to match what they think suits 14's looks. So yeah, shorter Au Ra girls with monkey tails and bois who match is how I see it

[quick owl]

"Your villains are a fat clown and an old man? That's not threatening, change it!"

"What, now they're two teenage delinquents? Still hate it, fix it!"

[sudden spruce]

||emet and hythlo would make perfect poster child for the effects of stress and attitude on aging||

[quick owl]

"Your villain is a fat pink manchild? We hate it, change it now!"

[lusty herald]

A race of smoll SSJ4s ...!
SE needs to do it

[quick owl]

"Well now he's threatening but he's still dumb, change it!"

"Now he's smart but boring. Change it!"

[unreal delta]

||okay so i was confused as to why the devs wanted us to do bahamut raids before ew...but now that the music begins and our search of allagan relics starts....I see now||

[sudden spruce]

I have to give it to se for making ||glam thats well designed and fitting story wise, literally using every msq glam along the way this xpac||

[unreal delta]

||ancient emet can fucking ravage me||

[gusty tartan]

||keep it in your fucking pants but hell yeah i can understand||

[unreal delta]

||I WILL BE HORNY IN GENERAL IF I SO PLEASE||

[gusty tartan]

||SIR OR MAM THIS IS A MCDONALDS||

[tulip geyser]

||There WILL be an explosion of Elpis flavored fics on Ao3 and I really don't mind. 🍽️ ||

[sudden spruce]

I expect a flood of ||amaurotians fics and art||

[unreal delta]

god i fucking hope so

[sudden spruce]

||elpis rhymes with calpis, my favorite soda flavor||

[unreal delta]

||I also hope they don't include emet growing us to ancient size....the size difference makes it better||

[sudden spruce]

||im a bit worried about THAT MUCH of a size difference||

[unreal delta]

|| : )||

[indigo shale]

||emet looked better as solus, in elpis he just looked stupid i guess to match his personality, hytylodaeus is where it is at||

[unreal delta]

||how dare you||

[gusty tartan]

||of the two i vastly did prefer Hytdlodaeus||

[hushed lodge]

||he looks like Xemnas tho. How can people look past that?||

[unreal delta]

||who||

[indigo shale]

||idk who that is||

[unreal delta]

literally W H omegalul

[hushed lodge]

count yourselves lucky I guess

[indigo shale]

||just googled it from kingdom hearts ||

[unreal delta]

only simularities is a sharp face and white hair

[slate ridge]

I was ||pretty dumbfounded when emet refused to accept that the final days happened, he survived with soul intact but became a madman and he died by your hands||

[indigo shale]

||well tbf its unthinkable that such a thing would happen ||

[tulip geyser]

||If I told you you were gonna become a madman and kill entire worlds, would you immediately believe it?||

[lone fiber]

||nooo emet....||

[indigo shale]

||we also seemed to have shit talked him aswell||

||i wonder if we mentioned about his hand in allag and him as solus||

[unreal delta]

||well considering you called him a genocidal madman, thats kind of an insult||

[slate ridge]

||it does justify that it’s in the past so obviously emet selch would deny it||

[gusty tartan]

||I mean if you were as strong as his race of people were. It would be pretty damn wild to be told that||

[tulip geyser]

||Even Venat is weirded out by her own actions, saying more or less "Why tf would I do that?||

[indigo shale]

||i know why they did emet, but i think they should have done someone else, learn about other members of the convocation we haven't seen||

[unreal delta]

||if only we could have gone to amaurot...||

[tulip geyser]

||I think that we will see them. And I also think its playing up the connection that Azem Emeritus, lets say, current Azem in that time, and WoL have. Venat seems to regard him well.||

[slender siren]

[unreal delta]

||imagine if 6.1 continues and its time travel stuff that takes us back to the rest of Eithyrs||

[gusty tartan]

||plus the expac theme seem to have a lot to do with life and death which Emet and Hytlo are very gifted in things relating to it so it makes sense for them to show up||

[unreal delta]

BEST ONGOING GAME 2021 BTW

[indigo shale]

||i think most we will get for for past stuff now, is panda i dont see us travelling back again any time soon to see other parts||

[gusty tartan]

panda is the alliance raid right?

[indigo shale]

8 man, normal raids

[gusty tartan]

wasnt 8 man the 12?

[indigo shale]

no thats myths of the realm, the alliance

[gusty tartan]

ah i might've gotten them mixed up then

[slender siren]

Damn it beat the popular games too

[gusty tartan]

I mean most of those games didnt really have anything noteworthy happen

[indigo shale]

its a shame it weren nominated for best score

[late aurora]

You saying FF14 ain’t popular?

[gusty tartan]

this year was pretty bad for gaming

[slender siren]

I mean Apex fortnite and cod has more players than ff xiv

[indigo shale]

do we know actual active players of FFXIv and not just sub number

[late aurora]

We passed 25 mill recently

[indigo shale]

active players, you can be subbed and not play

how many of those 25 mil actually play the game

[hushed lodge]

I mean it's arguably more accessible to certain crowds that enjoy that kinda thing so no surprise

[fluid basalt]

the queue is already bad without all 25 mil. so they can stay away

[uncut mica]

The 25 million figure was "registered users", I doubt it's subs. My best guess would be people who bought at least the base game, regardless of sub status

[slender siren]

Why is he saying wow copied ff xiv

[uncut mica]

IIRC back before Blizzard pumped the brakes on making good games, their sub numbers were like 10-11mil max before they fell off a cliff, never to recover

[slender siren]

And why does that look like azems crystal

[uncut mica]

25mil would be double the WotLK peak

[slender siren]

[unreal delta]

WoW is known for doing this shit.

[uncut mica]

The servers just ain't that congested to make 25mil fit. Thank fuck

[indigo shale]

tbh im sure yoshi-p is quite pleased that the game he loves is taking "inspiration" from his game, that way he knows hes definitely made it

[unreal delta]

even before when it was good, they stole shit. But they made it better atleast. Now its just a poor attempt to jump on bandwagons to get some sort of traction

hell, their recent patch is called Eternity's End

[uncut mica]

9.2 is the end of an era

[slender siren]

Oh he mentioned that too

[uncut mica]

a true closure to story started in... uh... let's see... sure why not, warcraft 3

[slender siren]

Eternity’s end and Endwalker

[fluid basalt]

anyone else still working on Zeta/Lux weapons? completion of the 50/60/70/80 roulette seems to not count towards the repeatable quests... uhh. some kind of bug?

[inner ice]

fuckin eh this is philosophical isnt it

[unreal delta]

they also called 9.2 "an end to the warcraft 3 saga" when Endwalker was announced to be "An end to the zodiark and hydaelyn saga"

[uncut mica]

man, it's gonna be hard to come up with a threat as large to Eorzea as what we had, narratively, before wrapping the story up now

[tulip geyser]

Honestly there doesnt have to be one. Thats the mistake WoW made

[hushed lodge]

I mean I guess but there's really no need. A smaller-scale conflict is fine after all that

[uncut mica]

they can have a little war, as a treat

[late aurora]

But what if dark elf lady did a bad and learned nothing...again...for the 4th time

[magic forge]

Maybe expand on the POTD storyline with Edda

[slender siren]

We could go to the 13th shard

Voidsent

[uncut mica]

What if we died and went into the afterlife and had a really bad story there

[indigo shale]

i feel like reaper has sort of dashed hopes of fixing the 13th, because those voidsent need to come from somewhere, unless we find a way of artificially making them

[vital brook]

Can ya kill this guy? please?

[tulip geyser]

||Well it seemed to be said it would take a long long time to start to fix the 13th, so I dont mind at all if current WoL is not a part of it. We dont need to solve all the problems in a couple months.||

[slender siren]

Who is this man? I see him everywhere

[unreal delta]

lead dev i believe

[vital timber]

Ion Hazzi-whatever

[uncut mica]

Ion Hazzikostas

[vital timber]

He's in charge of the whole WoW development team. Known to be a great raid designer.

[unreal delta]

Past tense

[vital timber]

Who's in charge now? :/

[uncut mica]

I used to check his raid progress while I was progressing through a new raid, he was always like 2-3 bosses deep into mythic when we were working on the last 2-3

[unreal delta]

no he's still in charge. I mean past tense on being a 'great raid designer'

[uncut mica]

I doubt he does raid design now, since he's management now

[vital timber]

I thought even Shadowlands had good raids.

[slender siren]

Wow raids are bigger right?

[vital timber]

To my understanding, yes.

[unreal delta]

The big raid release i heard about back in SHB was apparently buggy as fuck

[uncut mica]

The arenas are a hell of a lot more intricate, that's something I miss

[unreal delta]

Yes. Think Dungeons but on a bigger scale. Those are wow raids.

[uncut mica]

Mythic G'huun was a banger of a fight

[slender siren]

[unreal delta]

However. WoW boss fights are a fraction of the time of XIV boss fights

[slender siren]

Ahh so ff xiv raids are shit

[unreal delta]

no

[indigo shale]

no, ffxiv raids are good

[sour perch]

they're different

[slender siren]

I’m going to wow

[sour perch]

i wouldn't really compare their styles to eachother, they very mcuh diverge into particular designs

[indigo shale]

i prefer the boss rush style of raid, as killing trash mobs like in coil adds nothing to the experience i feel,

[unreal delta]

well. it depends.

WoW raids definitely have a much bigger sense of grandeur and the raids take more longer time overrall
But XIV raids focus solely on the boss. Bosses often having a lot more mechanics compared to WoW and the boss fights themselves lasting ALOT longer.

[uncut mica]

Mythic Argus was a solid 10-minute fight, and that was starting to feel long by WoW standards

[unreal delta]

10 min fights are standard xiv normal raid bosses lmao

[uncut mica]

Also, that 10 minutes had several pretty long intermissions IIRC

[slender siren]

I wish destiny had more mechanics

[unreal delta]

i cant believe people consider destiny an MMO

[slender siren]

Each raid has like 1-2 mechanics at best

[quick owl]

#video-games-general?

[uncut mica]

this pic of the g'huun arena is a pretty good example I'd take, for comparing the two designs https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/803621.jpg?maxWidth=800

the middle area where you fight the boss, is about the same size, or maybe larger, than a typical ffxiv area

[indigo shale]

VOG is not fun

[vital timber]

I don't know which bit I like most in EW, the Level 89 dungeon or the Level 89 Trial

[uncut mica]

then you have two elevated corridors with mechanics on the sides that you have to send players to go do

[slender siren]

Sounds confusing

[uncut mica]

there's a bunch of mushrooms that emit this area that slows you down, in the corridors, and you have to pick up a ball from one end, and take it to the end. on mythic you can't do it alone

[sour perch]

destiny has a lot of coordination needed baseline so that has it going for it

[uncut mica]

so you'd send 2 players per corridor, one picks up the ball, uses a warlock gateway, drops it off, jumps down, other player picks it up, uses another warlock gateway, then puts the ball in place at the same time as the person on the other side

yes we have weakauras that would automatically synchronize putting the ball in at the same time, how did you guess

[unreal delta]

also rn

[slender siren]

Lies

[unreal delta]

||i really hate that we have this epic music going on in the background and im touring loporrits around
like really. could we be doing NOTHING better right now than to fucking tour around rabbits||

[slender siren]

Half the time only 3 ppl got to do something

Vog and DSC and to some extent LW are examples

[indigo shale]

last wish, felt more like it needed to be co-ordinated, at least for riven eyes

[slender siren]

Ppl don’t do that anymore

[sour perch]

cringe
levi had a fair amount of callouts and coordination needed, as did scrug

[slender siren]

Well

They’re not here anymore

[sour perch]

yeah

[indigo shale]

||its a shame more cid werent in this expansion, would have been more excuses for "dreams aloft" to play more||

[slender siren]

Dogs encounter

[sudden spruce]

I knew we'd meet ||pretemper emet at some point, but its hythlo whos stealing the show||

[unreal delta]

wrong ||emet can destroy me||

[steady valve]

||if you think about it, WoL just summoned 7 other people from god knows where. The peeps that accepted the call find themselves on dragon back, in space, fighting a giant bird with a face and were like 'yeah lets do it fam'.||

[sudden spruce]

Ngl ||his garlean haircut suits him better, the color dye is iconic||

[indigo shale]

||ancient emet is about as attractive as varis, will stand by emet as solus is better||

[jade relic]

that would be a top tier meme!

[dire current]

|| just completed lvl 90 trial, is hydaelyn technically the last living ancient? Did she die and go to the lifestream or w/e after that fight? ||

[indigo shale]

||no ancients are alive anymore, hydae was the last alive and we killed her in the 89 trial||

[jade relic]

|| me, a warrior of light from the 4th shard after being summoned onto the back of a flying dragon in space fighting a giant living mass of despair ||

[dire current]

|| so all of this was herme's fault? LOL ||

[unreal delta]

||fuck man....Urianger shaking while hugging Bloenwyda...||

[tulip geyser]

||Basically, yeah.||

[indigo shale]

||well, its not as simple as that||

[dire current]

|| well i am aware that there were differences between some of the ancients' beliefs ||

[jade relic]

|| not deliberately, but it was his flawed question that led to this, yes ||

[tulip geyser]

||Like being depressed and wanting life to be treated with respect is not bad.
However, in blaming everyone else he went and sent his innocent birb daughters to document the true horrors of space with zero safeguards and expected...what?||

[indigo shale]

||it was just a massive unfortunate series of events which was a result of the flawed society of the ancients||

[gusty tartan]

||also ancients were pretty innocents in regards to the horrors of intelligent life||

[jade relic]

|| he didnt know there were horrors. he just wanted an answer to his question. he was naive ||

[indigo shale]

||well no one knew what the other stars were like, hermes didnt know the stars would be like that, he was just to curious about what others live for||

[tulip geyser]

||Also note that the Ancients werent particular bad or anything. Just people with flaws like anyone. He would have condemned modern folk just the same for not respecting life enough.
Its an issue with his thinking. He's too naive and gentle. Fandaniel the Protector...to a fault.||

[jade relic]

||he just didnt think about what would happen if there was no answer||

[unreal delta]

||URIANGER'S VOICE CRACKS NOOOOOOOO||

[indigo shale]

||ah you just finished sage council then||

[unreal delta]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-bobux-0bobux-no-bobux-sad-gif-18569412

[unreal delta]

||mmhm||

[glossy hemlock]

I do really like it lol but I guess it works in the context

[tulip geyser]

||I think his Elpis looks lends to the wizard feel. He is a triple og etc black mage, more or less.||

[sudden spruce]

People are having lewd fantasy thoughts rn in ||elpis||

I have never seen chat more alive in a noncity place

[gusty tartan]

it gets pretty active during expac launches

after that chat is kinda dead

[native delta]

Finished. What an incredible game

[dire current]

|| are elder primals and gods different in ffxiv? ||

[native delta]

I was there the other day and I left with a newly-created linkshell called hornyjail

something about that place

I think I lost access to my role quests,,||,,, I can't find it in Ishgard anymore||

[late aurora]

It’s in the meeting room on the east

[native delta]

I'd started them already

I was up to level 88 but hadn't clicked the level 89 one because I wasn't level 89 yet.

[late aurora]

And the rest of them are going to be in that meeting room

[native delta]

the quest marker isn't there

[late aurora]

Go over, there’s a door

[neon wing]

alliance raid = 7 reapers

[native delta]

,,,oh. I had to talk to the guard. Gave me a heart attack. ty!

[gaunt star]

does anybody have a link to that final art at the end credits?

Do we have any beast tribes yet or will we have to wait an update or so?

[tulip geyser]

Now my wallpaper

[native delta]

||I guess Alisaie’s jacket was supposed to be pink at first||

[late aurora]

Tataru put personal touches on it

[native delta]

||Can we talk about how “forge ahead” isn’t just a line in the song or a theme, it’s straight up ADVICE to get through the emotional gauntlet that is that last zone.||

||Because if you don’t keep moving forward, the Scions will never come back.||

[main umbra]

||My favorite part about this is how they are moving in opposite direction and meition is meeting Hermes again if you look at the direction.||

[gusty tartan]

you guys think they'll release the new hairstyles we saw?

[native delta]

I hope so

||I want Krille’s ponytail and Hythlodaeus’s braid||

[main umbra]

i just want a good piece of hair so i dont have to use the you know.

[urban phoenix]

thats some hard blue tint

[gusty tartan]

yea but the you know is pretty good stuff

[weary rampart]

"Riding home " ~~~~~~~

[tulip geyser]

You too huh

[urban phoenix]

hows everbody by now. i think im slowly getting out of my emotional slump after finishing msq

[gusty tartan]

im still mentally mindfucked? to say the least

[weary rampart]

well , theres still post msq story

[jade relic]

i still randomly think of stuff that happened and tear up, makes work interesting

[light sail]

Emotional slump? If anything the entire MSQ has been more motivational to me.

[urban phoenix]

same same

[native delta]

That braided bob cut from Eureka is cute tho

[gusty tartan]

its pretty depressing and pretty damn hopeful at the same time. gives it that nice bittersweet taste that one can indulge in every once in awhile

[light sail]

That's true. The depressing moments just make the motivational moments even stronger though

[native delta]

If my WoL hadn’t been using the Aerith braid to the point where I can’t imagine her wearing anything else, I might switch

[light sail]

Gets you ready to kick ass\

[half phoenix]

Hopefully Corvos (or whatever they make the next arbitrary fate grinding zone) is actually fun this time around and not another bore....

[gusty tartan]

hold up we gots an aerith braid?

[half phoenix]

No we don’t

[gusty tartan]

damn

[half phoenix]

I don’t think.... DNC AF gets a hair ribbon on females but not a new hairstyle

[urban phoenix]

you mean the new bozja?

[native delta]

The standard braid that Fourcherse wears. It’s Aerith-esque tho

[half phoenix]

Yea. They name dropped Corvos way too much for it to not being something of note

[indigo shale]

bozja werent boring

[half phoenix]

It was very boring

[indigo shale]

it was the most fun side thing in ShB

[gusty tartan]

I can sortaaaaaa see it

[native delta]

I haven’t unlocked Bozja yet but I heard it was good

[indigo shale]

running around in bozja was the most fun i got out of ShB

[urban phoenix]

whats the hair you wanna see for aerith though? she got different styles

[half phoenix]

And terribly disjointed. Want mettle? farm fates, want skills? farm mobs, want currency? farm mechs, want to multitask? Too bad.

[gusty tartan]

probably the one from the remake.

[urban phoenix]

check mods then

[gusty tartan]

yeah good idea. I was really just wondering if my memory is going bad

[weary rampart]

haha , "wayward daughter "during credit scene

[quaint urchin]

what the hell

so i cant buy 2 rings from the tomestone exchange?why would they even think of that?

[late aurora]

Can’t double up on Rings until they’re poetics gear

[tidal mauve]

put one in the saddlebag

[lean ore]

2man ||Anima|| pog

[tulip geyser]

Seems fun

[lean ore]

funny enough it was xD

[vale gazelle]

When new game + is out,I'm gonna replay the story from HW to EW.

[lean ore]

Arcane crest and ingress coming in clutch

[lean ore]

coward, do it from ARR

[vale gazelle]

I'm never doing ARR again, although I don't even think it's that bad.

[lean ore]

ive done it 7 times xD

[jade relic]

im watching a streamer do ng+ from level 1, arr isnt as bad as i rememmber

[slender siren]

Why

[vale gazelle]

Too long and bad voice acting.

[unreal delta]

||and so venat tests us once again||

[vale gazelle]

||I feel so sorry that I ever doubted Venat.||

[lean ore]

always has been

[slender siren]

||it’s crazy how ARR 2.0 and EW endings were similar|| msq ending

[lean ore]

|| i feel like im the only one who didnt think of her as an evil goddess pretending benevolence 😔 ||

the guy on the forums who called || Her a parasite|| last year must be pulling his hair out atm

[urban phoenix]

never seen the ascians or others as evil

[unreal delta]

I never doubted my faith in Hydaelyn

[urban phoenix]

they just had other world views and other priorities than us.

[indigo shale]

i mean the ascians are evil, omnicide is quite an evil act

if you dont see them as evil then who the fuck is, as they are the most evil people in this game

[urban phoenix]

there was never really a fight between "evil" and "good more like 2 different races fighting each other. both want the best for their loved ones

[gusty tartan]

Asians are undoubtedly evil from our standard. It's just we have the context

[slow spoke]

||lahabrea screaming in the distance||

[indigo shale]

the person who said that must have never made it past 2.0

[lean ore]

Unfortunately he was lvl 80 but also an Ascian sympathizer so go figure

or well "Lahabrea Simp" fits better

as he was the only one who had a big aggresion towards Her xD

[indigo shale]

||speaking of laha, will be interesting if we see how the sane lahabrea acted, watch him be best friends with venat to annoy that forum guy even more||

||also ive come to despise ultima thules final music, its good for is purpose but ive been here farming 4 hours of fates and now its just annoying, if it didnt have lyrics itd be fine||

[vale gazelle]

||Is WoL the most powerful Final Fantasy protagonist now?||

[indigo shale]

||well thats impossible to gauge imo as power levels and threats work different in every game||

[potent raft]

there only 2 ex trial?

i thought it will be 3

[late aurora]

Nope

[indigo shale]

yeah on release the last trial gets the ex later, usually next patch i think

[potent raft]

oh, i see. I am looking forward to that one holy shit

[weary rampart]

release on future patch ,just like ShB last trial

[indigo shale]

this line from ShB fits quite well for EW

[runic brook]

Any ideas or theories as to what || elidibus refers to as the 'beast'? || in the final endwalker cutscene

[tulip geyser]

||Probably some great beast some Ancient adventurers wrangled and stuffed into babbyjail because it refused to be destroyed||

[unborn ferry]

Really? REALLY?

Ugh...

How can there be no one else at this point?
I know I'm a li'l late, but come on. >_>

[tulip geyser]

Huh

[unborn ferry]

Yeah, sat here for over 10 mins now...

I knew I should have just played a tank for the story = _=

[late aurora]

You might wanna spoiler tag that

[gusty tartan]

It's time to start leveling your DoL and DoH now then

[lusty herald]

Ooof, I stayed up all last night to finish ... got it to pop after 2mins at 5-6am

[lean ore]

people made party finders and they filled quite fast for it

[unborn ferry]

Yeah, tempte dto do that but almost comign up to 15 mins now. What if I find a group in the next minute?

[gusty tartan]

Its either that or their server is legit in its downtime which is surprising for the first few weeks of expansion

[lean ore]

i kept telling myself that until 20 mins passed xD caved and made a PF

[fluid basalt]

run a tank

[lean ore]

filled in 3 minites

[tidal mauve]

zone 3 quest

[late aurora]

||Teach me the tech child||, why do the robots ignore you

[lean ore]

get an eye on the forehead kekw

[unborn ferry]

Aaaand my game crashed.
Marvelous

[late aurora]

(Scribbles eye on forehead)
“You lied to meeee, it’s not working”

[gusty tartan]

You gotta glue one not draw it

[slender siren]

How did y’all feel at this point

[jade relic]

wtf has anyone done level 88 botanist studium deliveries???

[unborn ferry]

Out of one queue and into another.

[gusty tartan]

Full on hell yeah brother type of deal

[jade relic]

i was full wtf mode

[unborn ferry]

||"This is neat and all, but why re-create it on the First? Wouldn't the Source make more sense, since thats closer to what the unsundered world was like?"||
This was before EW, mind you.

[slender siren]

Yes so that’s not spoiler

Ik someone will say it

[unborn ferry]

There >:T

[native sapphire]

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40KzrUGH_dE||

im hearing this and crying again

[indigo shale]

the ruins dont exist on the source anymore due to the calamities, and since he recreated it on top of the ruins the first made more sense for him

[native sapphire]

they REALLY outdid themselves with endwalker...i dare even say it's the best MSQ content I have played and I basically chained arr into EW from september with a break after ShB

[high mesa]

4th zone question:
||As miqo in Elpis i got some race specific dialogue, wondering what the other races got||

[tulip geyser]

||Theres certain points Im not fond of and things like Sage Advice are kinda asdf filler but other than that not a bad close at all||

[potent raft]

anyone here have the picture of the final image of the end credit scene?

[unborn ferry]

||My height is constantly brought up as a Lalafell||

[slender siren]

Is this cute?

[indigo shale]

||at least sage council werent ahm areng and the trolley shit, sage council has a decent payoff||

[tulip geyser]

||Hythlo asks why smol for me and Emets all like "Its proportional, shush"||

[unborn ferry]

Spud Brother?

[late aurora]

#not-ffxiv-discussion?

This ain’t no Near auto Motto discord

[potent raft]

😦 i guess not

[slender siren]

Actually

2B is in ff xiv so it’s on topic

[late aurora]

Not that 2B, that one is customizable

[slender siren]

[high mesa]

||lmao i got something about ears & tail as catboy||

[slender siren]

[native sapphire]

based

[slender siren]

Indeed

You heard that? @indigo shale

[indigo shale]

garlean armour like that must be a bitch to get into every morning

[slender siren]

Makes me wonder how tf was he able to move like that in stormblood

[native sapphire]

LOL

[late aurora]

Zenos is over 7’ 3”

[indigo shale]

and varis is taller than that aswell, funnily enough solus is the shortest galvus i think

[slender siren]

I’ll never forget the first zenos fight

[late aurora]

Canonically more powerful than 2 lalas in a trench coat

Solus however...he shall fall

[slender siren]

Imagine being outgrown by son and grandson

[indigo shale]

look at that family, all out in ishgard and no one is smiling for the family photo

[slender siren]

Also rip Varis

[late aurora]

He ||gets “better”||

[indigo shale]

it was a tough year for varis after 2.0 when he took over as emperor

[slender siren]

Btw how do ppl spawn npcs lol

[indigo shale]

idk, i think cmtools?

[late aurora]

You can turn into them during Halloween, I guess

[indigo shale]

also asahi be very small compared to both of them, the galvus's be very tall

[urban phoenix]

asahi always was a lil shitter

[indigo shale]

i wonder what nerva looks like we have yet to see him if hes alive

[late aurora]

No wonder Varis got suckered into the perfect race nonsense, he just wants to be with other tall people

[indigo shale]

nervas title would be wyr right? nerva wyr galvus, or is that only if he doesnt have a claim for the throne, so he might still be a yae

[fluid basalt]

they all inherited that ancient genes

[late aurora]

Makes sense seeing how Solus is...you know

[slender siren]

Elizenos lmao never thought I’d see zenos wearing sandals

[indigo shale]

hmm, ||jullus was the iyl right?||

||if so that means quintus appointed him temporary dictator and leader of the senate||

[bleak comet]

||WHy does NASA allow monsters to hang around certain areas of their facility? lmao||

[urban phoenix]

???

[gusty tartan]

||Because the monsters of NASA are a kind and peaceful people||

||NASA is probs Elpis||

[pseudo quiver]

||wait what ever happened to Nerva||

[indigo shale]

||idk, maybe thats something we find out later, if they give garleans dailies he could be the quest giver maybe, and we learn more that way||

[slender siren]

||then he does it to you|| msq 83

[sudden spruce]

Oh my god ||it just hit me that argos liked us the first time we met him bc we technically met him already, sparred with venat, earned his paw seal of approval|| my brain slow to connect dots lol

[indigo shale]

that was a bad day for varis, son comes back in a random body, slaps elidibus out of his body and then kills him

[gusty tartan]

||I mean it sorta got worst. Said son also split his body and made em a primal to destroy the nation||

[slender siren]

Elidibus fled

[indigo shale]

well elidibus mentions some fighting did happen, when he was monologuing on the moon

[slender siren]

Ahh

||at least he says he struggled like you did when you were in a new body|| msq 83

[indigo shale]

zenos says "the craven fled my skin instead of fighting me, pity i was looking forward to crossing blades with myself" so how much happened zenos didnt even count as a fight

i wonder if he got annoyed that elidibus got his helmet more damaged

[slender siren]

I’m sure the fight didn’t last long

Remember, you’ve seen the crazy shit zenos can do

[indigo shale]

elidibus didnt run from us, the famed ascian slayer, but ran from zenos

[slender siren]

Well

Because warrior of light

Now this elidibus should’ve fought zenos

[indigo shale]

that solo instance cut it close,, graha called us at the worst time, if estinien werent randomly there we would have died

[weary rampart]

Last boss , || let me sing the end song || ....."insert catjam" . Player cry instead

[slender siren]

There’s many cases where we would’ve died

[weary rampart]

u have 7 attempts

[indigo shale]

if this was a single player game we ||would have died after the zenos battle in EW, like noctis in 15, but being an mmo we had to live||

[slender siren]

The ones I can think off the top of my head was Ryne, Elizenos and 2P

[glossy hemlock]

Ryne..?

[tulip geyser]

We would have monstered out before we even started fighting Emet

[slender siren]

Yeah during Eden when she became shiva

[glossy hemlock]

Oh

[indigo shale]

also elidibus in 5.3, fucker was smart and banished us to the rift, but we got saved by some crystal BS

[slender siren]

And had 2B not appeared, 2P would’ve pretty much killed you and the twins

[indigo shale]

the lightwardens aether itself also almost killed us

but we conveniently had an ardbert to rejoin with us

[remote niche]

Should I bother switching and leveling another job to level 89 or should I just go through with my lv 90

[slender siren]

I guess we forgot that we could release that light

[late aurora]

Finish with your 90

[glossy hemlock]

It’s like 3 quests after

[slender siren]

remember we did it after holminster

[indigo shale]

listing these out, most of us surviving was just deus ex machinas

[urban phoenix]

"conveniently" you do know that milfina planned this backup since hw?

[late aurora]

I thought that was symbolic

[ember forum]

Oh god!

[indigo shale]

thats why it was convenient

[remote niche]

I was gonna say not really convenience as much as keikaku (keikaku means plan)

[ember forum]

That's how many ffxiv screenshots I took I need help

[slender siren]

Hydaelyn

She sent minfilia to the first

[indigo shale]

it was theorised by i think urianger that it was minfillias own doing not hydae (the sparing ardbert part)

[urban phoenix]

okay venat did

[quick widget]

How to get SGE AF gear? Is it with role quests or after you finish MSQ?

[urban phoenix]

i miss her too

she was right up my alley big tomboy sister to have fun with

[late aurora]

You just go to the lady at lvl 89

[ember forum]

You have to finish msq lvl 90 before ||You go to Ultima Thule|| one of the quests that will let u buy from one of the stands at Sharlayan

[dark solar]

So... Just finished end walker

[urban phoenix]

you will be led to the af gear through the msq

[dark solar]

Im left with a hole in me. and a question of "Well what now?"

[quick widget]

Hmm thanks

[urban phoenix]

and then you can get all af gear there but your job needs to be lvl 89 to gear it

[ember forum]

You don't have to complete role quests tho, but completing them will let u dye artifact gear

[slender siren]

It’s like you can’t tell who’s in control because she went from word of the mother then minfilia and then Oracle of light

[dire trench]

apparently this is what EW endgame looks like

[urban phoenix]

i was the same back then

[dark solar]

What changed?

[urban phoenix]

time

emotional rollercoaster lessens over time

[thorny flax]

I like all the FF7 references they put into Endwalker

[ember forum]

Which boss is that?

[dark solar]

ah fair enough

[thorny flax]

it was actually more a FF7 expansion than FF4

[dire trench]

it's called when is Chi going to spawn "boss"

[late aurora]

Waiting with the boys

[indigo shale]

i dont remember many ff7 references, there was a lot of ff4 reference though

[dire trench]

6/12 towards that damn mount just need 1 more and it should spawn on twintania soon, but it hasn't 😦

[late aurora]

At least there’s 3 individual spawn chances going on

[indigo shale]

i made the mistake of not tabbing back in as i was also waiting for chi and talking here and i got afk kicked so now im in a queue of 5k

[late aurora]

Instances are great

[slender siren]

||Pretty much Venat when you were in elpis|| msq-87

[weary rampart]

i can alrdy see myself grinding 3rd trial EX everyday just for the music

[tulip geyser]

Pretty much

[broken kettle]

Just got there. Fuck Quintus

How dare he do some grand speech on refusing unity when all Garlemald brings is subjugation ? Fucking hypocrite. I am mad.

[indigo shale]

indoctrination do be like that

[broken kettle]

There's another antagonist in FF14 that did a speech in that vein like trying to make a point about a thing and it just rang hollow and it makes me mad every time that I can't answer. I was at least expecting Alisaie to yell at him that you don't bring unity by just crushing people and leaving assholes like YOTSUYU to govern over foreign lands you have no purpose being in in the first place. God I hate imperialism. Good villain, all in all. I'm guessing he'll turn around at some point but for now I hate his guts. And right after that he gets teens in shock collars like they're rabid dogs like what the fuck

[mystic grail]

Final msq quest ||Local potato remembers his pugilist training from ARR||

[indigo shale]

well he has every right to do that, plus i dont think it being the twins matter to that, if we bought urianger and thancred the same thing would happen, its just to ensure the enemy of garlemald doesnt just go about murdering people

[mystic grail]

Quintus felt like gaius senior tbh

Idk what gave off that vibe but he really gives off that "how very glib" energy

[weary rampart]

now , time to re run last trial and see newbie die

[indigo shale]

quintus is like gaius but unlike gaius he doesnt pretend to have morals

emet selch ruined the garleans, but it doesnt mean they cant be shown that we arent monsters

[vague forum]

Quintus is everything wrong with Garlemald

[ember forum]

Oh come on!

It just had to be that 1

[vague forum]

Would rather subjugate than work with

but at the same time, I like that

[forest hatch]

how does one farm a formidable fate

[vague forum]

It shows how 800 years affects an individual's viewpoints

So much so that you just can't ever see eye to eye with them

[tulip geyser]

||As for people not Quintus, they basically reacted how I expected them to.
"The magic wielding monsters are here to subjugate us again now that we're down."
I never expected a joyous welcome||

[indigo shale]

||yeah im suprised that people are suprised the garleans werent welcoming us with open arms||

[tulip geyser]

||Propaganda, its a hell of a thing||

[vague forum]

It's both propaganda and inferiority complex now turned into hatred

Imagine not being able to control aether and then you see people that look like you, except they can not only control aether but use all forms of magic

[indigo shale]

and not only being able to use magic, but use that magic to drive you out of your homeland into the bitter north whilst you couldnt defend yourself

[vague forum]

Pretty much

So while not defensible, I think that Garlemald was justified in thinking and acting the way it did

[indigo shale]

and emets propaganda and fear campaigns didnt help

[vague forum]

And by justified I don't mean they're right, but there was a justification for their actions and beliefs

[indigo shale]

now this doesnt mean the garleans are absolved of what they did, but its easy to see why they are like this

[vague forum]

Pretty much.

[indigo shale]

man emet, really did fuck the source more than elidibus and laha, what a bitch

[vague forum]

I personally think that they did an amazing job at humanizing Garlemald and its people

[indigo shale]

they humanised garlemald, but didnt make them like gaius by just ignoring the past

[vague forum]

I mean, emet was responsible for many rejoinings

[blazing edge]

oh lmao i forgot

[tulip geyser]

Well yeah Gaius was military so he saw how the sausage was made

A lot of these civilians tho are just people trying to get by

[vague forum]

I actually really like Julius

[indigo shale]

yeah, its sad that some would rather suicide than recieve help from us due to whats happened (and their perspective of us)

[tulip geyser]

Me too. He's a good kid.

[vague forum]

not ashamed to admit I cried a little in that scene ||(before we got yeeted to babil)||

[indigo shale]

as much as quintus is a bitch i ||was still a bit sad that he committed suicide, firstly i never expected the scene to be in the game, and second, its just sad to see how much propaganda and pride can ruin a person||

[vague forum]

I think what ruined Quintus wasn't the ||propaganda, but his stubbornness. He was old, with age comes wisdom. But he was so stubbornly clinging to the old ways of the empire that he couldn't see just how unsalvagable it all is||

[indigo shale]

||he could never see himself being accepted in a world that was not what he knew||

[tidal mauve]

final dungeon

[vague forum]

Julius on the other hand, ||despite also being a subject of said propaganda showed compassion towards the people he was supposed to hate. Like when he had to arrest them, you could see that shocking them was gonna hurt him almost as much as it hurt them||

[vague forum]

||the third area in|| the final dungeon was just absolutely beautiful\

[indigo shale]

||jullus had the benefit of being a lot younger, and that brings more compassion, less likely to be bitter and holding onto the past||

[weary rampart]

u mean ur eyesssssss bcoz of the ||brightness||

[vague forum]

man, emet really fucked things up for the source

The allagans were basically prototype garlemald

[ember forum]

||I wdoner how does Endwalker feel for people that were with FFXIV since beginning? Seeing the main story that has been for almost a decade if not finally coming to an end and everything making sense?||

[vague forum]

and Bahamut was a product of the allagans

[indigo shale]

whats fun about allag is that we could be 50 expansions in and we can still blame something on the allagans

[vague forum]

the allagans caused global warming irl confirmed

[indigo shale]

they did so much that its impossible for anything on the source to not be a result of allag

like even on the 13th we cant escape allagans

as they made deals with the fuckin cloud of darkness

[vague forum]

hell, ||the final days 2.0 electric boogaloo was brought about by an allagan (amon)||

[indigo shale]

||the moon had allagan stuff on it aswell||

[vague forum]

anyways I'll close discord cuz this is distracting me from studying tomorrow's finals\

see y'all (prolly) on tuesday

[indigo shale]

best line about the allag stuff

also good luck

[tidal mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/davy-jones-fall-gif-23525538

||I did it! I killed them all! I... I killed them all...||

[indigo shale]

||i want to know more of that second area in the final dungeon, seems quite the story that could be had||

[vital timber]

Do you guys do Moonbase Alpha memes when you first visited the moon ?

[pseudo mountain]

man im sooo far behind

I just now got done with the ||rabbit/bunny moon people storyline||

[fluid basalt]

there's no rush. the game is more fun if you take your time

[blazing edge]

anyone know how much the stat squish is affecting our stats? i feel like some duties take faster than before, but then sometimes alliance raids take longer

[tulip geyser]

Seems like a mixed bag

Some stuff is completely thrown in the trash, early dungeons and stuff, more than usual.
Ive been surprised at Rabanstre run length of late although that might just have been all the dead reapers

[wet summit]

soloing hw extremes is now even more of a joke than it already was

also can duo/solo most of the stormblood ones now

[silent copper]

whats your expansion ranking?

Mine is:
HW = SHB
EW = SB
Post ARR
ARR

[wet summit]

from best to worst SHB-EW-HW-SB-ARR

[silent copper]

i miss HW Scholar so much 😦

[thorny flax]

EW = HW = SHB > ARR > SB

[indigo shale]

EW - SB - HW - ARR - ShB

[silent copper]

unusual ranking, nice

[wet summit]

personally dislike stormblood
a lot

[fluid basalt]

EW might just suffer without a .3 spectacle

[thorny flax]

sb did in the end nothing and was basically a waste of time

[silent copper]

Azim steppe / yotsuyu and hien plus music is top notch tho

[indigo shale]

azim steppe was the worst part of SB and the only negative of the expansion

[silent copper]

for me it was the best part. I love tribal shit

[wet summit]

i thought it was a lot of talking and politics
which would be fine if it was presented in an interesting way, which it wasn't most of the time
it just dragged a lot at times and i found myself very bored

[silent copper]

i was happy whenever yotsuyu got screentime.

[indigo shale]

i like that it werent an ascian routed conflict,

it was just people going at it until post patches

[wet summit]

lyse was also a big issue for me

I found her annoying and questionably written

[silent copper]

EW is good no doubt but it has sometimes very ARR like pacing and i did not fully believed the dynamis story. Thats why SB is on the same level for me

[wet summit]

EW only really has pacing problems near the start, which is kinda fine to me
they needed to setup the rest of the expansion, once you get to the ||moon|| its pretty much nonstop fast pacing

[indigo shale]

ones of the problems with SB i will admit is they tried going to many places at once like with EW

[silent copper]

the pacing drops again the second time youre in sharlayan.

talk to these 8 npcs lol

[wet summit]

you mean near the end with that filler arc? it was annoying but not enough to really ruin things

[indigo shale]

||well you say its not stop when we get to the moon (but it stops after the first trial) when we deal with the lopporits||

[wet summit]

idk, i thought the pacing in EW was pretty good outside of a bit at the start and a filler arc near the end

[silent copper]

was bit too much talking for an apocalypse.

[indigo shale]

i think the talking was fine, as well without being well prepared and ensuring everyones up to speed then we have no chance

[wet summit]

how
they need to set things up, if you just foundered ||around as every area as it fell|| things would get repetitive

I think they did it in a good way

[indigo shale]

||if there werent much talking, then there was no way we were going to ultima thule, elpis or speaking to hydae||

[blazing edge]

i feel like you'd find a lot of talking in a proper apocalypse

[wet summit]

||you're.. talking about how to fix the apocalypse ||

||this isn't a story about surviving in a post apocalypse, its about preventing one||

idk if i need spoiler tags but i'd rather be safe

[thorny flax]

The way they showed the scholars was very realistic btw.

||not freaking out about the apocalypse bullshit instead being smart and focusing on the stuff that matters||

[indigo shale]

||speaking of the scholars, i wonder if the twins will tell fourchenault and ameliance how they almost died 3 times in ultima thule||

[wet summit]

probably not

[indigo shale]

||fourchenault said he'd like us to continue guiding his children, but its because he doesnt know how many times they have almost died in our company||

[silent copper]

they could have made it perfect if they would have cut down on the hope and friendship speeches / filler stuff for me. Thats 2 hours they could have used for handling the apocalypse fighting.
||they also could have thrown in an unexpected character death like with the body swapping stuff, it just felt inconsequential for me. As if zenos would have cared about our companions, i mean he wants to have a hunt with us. ||

[indigo shale]

||idk how the WOL in a random body can run to the camp after getting blown up and unable to use legs, to be able to tackle zenos, like that part made no sense, we should not have made it in time ||

[silent copper]

||yeah, it went to awesome we are vulnerable to oh here comes the wol to the save the day somehow. ||

[indigo shale]

||idk why ishikawa is to scared to have anything happen to the scions||

[silent copper]

||it also would have made the impact of having hope in the end way stronger ||

thats also why i rank HW and SHB higher. HW felt way more serious in this sense with our boy we all cried for.

[indigo shale]

||its stuff like that where they kill off NPC,s introduced in the selfsame area, it has little impact, but stuff like hurting those close to us would have more impact, like zenos didnt even have to kill anyone there even wounding one of them badly would have been enough||

[silent copper]

||you mean something like with yshtola in SB? ||

[indigo shale]

||whoever made that decision that she survived that should never write again||

[thorny flax]

||I feel bad that they didn't kill Lyse. Could have been a great way because while the characters ingame cared about her the majority of the players did not. So it would have been a win win situation for plot and players||

[silent copper]

||i knew why lyse reacted how she did i mean she was pretty naive and get herself together at the end. It wasnt thaaat bad. it was okay. ||

[indigo shale]

||if players dont care then why would they kill her off, they seem to want player reactions not character reactions, its why emet selch was in elpis because of the players despite him being the worst char in the game imo||

[silent copper]

||the thing is who would they badly injure or kill. For me it would need to be alphinaud i care about him, but he is also annoying. It would have been the perfect closure for me if an idealistic person like alphinaud died in EW. ||

[blazing edge]

||Wait, there's no reason to kill Lyse off when she barely has any reason to do a sacrifice. The impact of this will hit like a wet fart imo||

||why do you guys want to kill off characters so much lol||

[silent copper]

||because its hope vs despair. for me real hope only exists if you gone through hell and then chase after it again||

[hollow acorn]

what are the new buff food names? can somebody help me out here? ^^

[indigo shale]

ah great i was sitting in queue for 3 hours and got error 2002

[silent copper]

||i know its heavily anime based story. but there is also something like beserk and FF is pretty mature for a Pegi 12 game, it wouldnt be worse off if they went the extra mile just for a higher impact. ||

[open verge]

||there is absolutely nothing to be gained in killing lyse||

[indigo shale]

||especially as EW was a scion focused story, so not really any other characters were given any moment or reason to self sacrifice||

[blazing edge]

managed to blind-luck mechanics and survive an S-rank lol

[open verge]

where does monk rank in dps against other melees currently

[silent copper]

||i also felt, that the pacing was off especially at the beginning because there is so much talking about friendship and yoshi p wanted to introduce these characters to new players. I felt annoyed after they repeated the friendship talk more than 2-3 times. ||

[fierce wing]

Mnk feels weird. I have my dragon kick boot shine standard combo

[open verge]

monk feels the best its ever been ngl

[fierce wing]

but now i need to do a normal rota w the perfect stance buff just to do the shadow rush thingy

just to unlock both solar and lunar

[open verge]

i just want to know the order of dps rn

[fierce wing]

also idk wtf riddle of wind does, who even cares abt auto atk dmg. does it increase skill speed

[open verge]

auto attack damage is pretty big for monk lol

[fierce wing]

Idk if autoattacks get canceled when im pressing skills

[tidal mauve]

i've played trails, you don't know what a friendship talk is until you play that series

[fierce wing]

Also i think they weakened my trust system, i had the doods at level 80 to run matoya but now they're 79. like wtf

[slim grove]

||Estinien is in the cafe in Rads-at-Han||

||Y'shtola might be with Matoya, I haven't looked yet though||

[broken kettle]

I thought Quintus would turn around but he's just a villain isn't he

what's with this iyl nonsense

[glad maple]

It’s gonna take me forever to get to the end of the expnsion but the curiosity is killing me || do we get to find out at the end of the expasion what the cause of the final days is? ||

[pulsar current]

ye

[indigo shale]

||well by garlean titles, iyl rank usually refers to a temporary dictator and leader of the senate in the state of an emergency, but the way quintus uses it for jullus seems to be a bit off||

[slim grove]

||I think it was just a code word||

[native sapphire]

how were you able to use ||the crystal augmeneted by hydaelyn more than once?||

[floral pulsar]

||she never said we could only use it once, just a limited amount||

[native sapphire]

ah i see

[north silo]

Is there a neon pink dye? I wanna dye the dancers ||unicorn armor|| as link as possible

[mint sail]

Cherry pink is the closest I can think of

or you can try metallic purple

[maiden idol]

That amount of new meals they added...

[glacial bison]

are Endwalker relics out yet

[north silo]

Endwalker relics won’t even come until 6.3 i think

[indigo shale]

probably wont be until 6.35 as thats when ShB ones came out in 5.35 respectively

[maiden idol]

It's hilarious how scarce inventory is and they still haven't expanded

[river hound]

||end credits where Venat and WoL walked pass each other, Venat glanced at us, is there any special meaning or was it just a glance. Also what type of bird is Meteion?||

[tulip geyser]

||Blue birb of Happiness||

[marsh osprey]

5.25 buddy

[granite nimbus]

||God, I just realized that the Ultima Thule music is the trailer music. And with every one of the Scions who sacrificed themselves, the music got louder and more parts were added.||

[indigo shale]

bozja released 5.35

[marsh osprey]

relic was 5.25

with the story instance and memoria

[indigo shale]

hmmm, seems you are correct, i thought the first step was released alongside bojza

[marsh osprey]

you are somewhat correct tho, because actual relic grind is with bozja

[cold jungle]

the fact that this combat music is only used in one part of one zone is criminal (4th zone)

[indigo shale]

yeah, but it being in only one part makes it better when you do actually get to hear it

[cold jungle]

makes me happy

[next quarry]

FF4

[granite nimbus]

I squealed with nostalgia as soon as I stepped into that place.

[cold jungle]

endgame radz themes also slap

[granite nimbus]

||God, this last zone is just tailor-made to break your heart.||

[sand shore]

Those drums reminded me of Crash Bandicoot somehow

[blazing edge]

It's Radz-at-Han for tomes, right?

[cold jungle]

yes

[blazing edge]

kk thx

[north silo]

Isn’t artefact gear i560 and there’s that one dungeon set that’s i570 or something

Ugh I can’t wait to see what the ||Zodiark EX or Endsinger EX|| weapons are gonna look like

[blazing edge]

o

its i570 for tome gear

i dont think my mau ra can pull off rydia unforunately

[north silo]

Actually I doubt ||Endsinger|| will get weapons they’ll probably do ||Hydaelyn and Zodiark EX for light and dark weapons||

[blazing edge]

i think SCH AF is stylish af tho

[north silo]

Fuck I got ||Zodiark|| on the trial roulette….. this is gonna take a while

[vague forum]

lmao

||speaking of not-chaos, managed to clear his ex a short bit ago||

[tidal mauve]

sch always dripping cause their gameplay is dry

[north silo]

Never mind we didn’t wipe once

[next quarry]

EX3 will have weapons when it comes

[marsh osprey]

ok ||hydaelyn ex||is a bit more difficult

[next quarry]

EX1 does not have weapons

[marsh osprey]

ex3 will have ilevel 585 weapons

[next quarry]

freddy Im about to start puggin ||Floods of Light|| now

[marsh osprey]

i saw enrage on 2nd try

[abstract harbor]

not a crafter(yet) here, just got a quick question. can you craft the ||hydaelyn ex|| weapons with the crystals ||she has a chance to drop|| so they have a glow like the hades ones?

[next quarry]

my first party kept messing up adds

[mint sail]

There's no recipes for them, so no

[abstract harbor]

ah, unfortunate
thank you though

would have checked ingame but you know how it is
5k queue

[mint sail]

Presumably either those or ||Endsinger EX|| weps will have a craftable glowy version when the next series of master recipes come out

[marsh osprey]

you will able to next expansion

[abstract harbor]

disappointmentway is born

[tribal summit]

I may have goofed

I switched over to another world to help a friend with some crafting and now I'm stuck there LOL

[slender siren]

[mint sail]

mald some more

[abstract harbor]

children can't mald efficiently

[tidal mauve]

let them drink cola

[abstract harbor]

frfr no cap bussin

[tribal summit]

I see you saw the Kougaon vid

[thorny flax]

Fortnite won't be the most played game in a few years because ppl get older and less ppl get born 🙂

[humble heron]

I mean thats what people said a few years ago

[neon wing]

I am pretty sure the most played game is genshin impact or some other mobile stuff

[abstract harbor]

obligatory people aren't watching because they're playing but a lot of people are trying to dodge EW spoilers as well

[tribal summit]

someone I know had zone names in the stream titles... like bro why

[slender siren]

[abstract harbor]

fortnite player speaking for humanity
what has it come to

[tribal summit]

yes because bovid hasn't been horrible for humanity

just FF winning best ongoing game

[umbral pewter]

Are the loporrits new races that can be played?

[neon wing]

there was another one claiming that fortnite is an older game and therefore should've had the ongoing title award

[tribal summit]

no, also spoiler that

my favorite tweet complaint I've seen about FF winning is the one where they say something like "they literally put The Rock into fortnite and yet it didn't win the award, shit's rigged"

[tidal mauve]

didnt fortnite win like 3 times before

[slender siren]

Fortnite players are like smash players

[chilly bluff]

Oh I just watched that video lol

[humble heron]

No

[native sapphire]

how come the ||moon|| uses garlean names?

[tribal summit]

it's just latin

[marsh osprey]

got 580 gunblade

[mint sail]

||bestways burrow|| is garlean

[native sapphire]

lol

[tribal summit]

I tried to go back too late, this sucks

[mint sail]

It has the real-life naming convention for some reason

[mint sail]

I got back into Tonberry at midnight local time

Instant too

[charred minnow]

I- wow

I forgot people still cared about the game awards

[north silo]

||Titania extreme does have weapons||

[mint sail]

The only thing I think is that people will jump at any opportunity to feel assured in their opinions

[next quarry]

it does

I was talking about EW

[slate ridge]

Oh yeah, Fortnite players are upset ffxiv won

“Who plays ffxiv? It’s dead. Fortnite is much better. Everyone should play Fortnite”

Also im seeing a lot of references to the full trailer in the game

Recently im where ||you return to garlemald and alisaie says the lines from the trailer and graha replaces derplander||

Aw there was a ||leg day joke there…||

[humble heron]

@slate ridge i hope you enjoy the ending bits

You are slowly but surely approaching the end

[viscid monolith]

Fortnite players are actual children they have no rights or opinions

[bitter forum]

bold of you to assume anyone has rights these days

[slate ridge]

||graha’s ears twitched again||

[humble heron]

||he detected the greatest threat to the planet: urianger's cooking||

[abstract harbor]

||wol nodded||

[real swan]

anyone know what is this mean? Healers stay dps mid tanks far, group 1 close group 2 far! please know mechanics let's finish this off ♥

[abstract harbor]

||healers stay at the first crystal, dps go to the next one and tanks go to the furthest one from the healers||
||group 1(healer 1, MT and m1/r1) stay in the narrow part of the chakram safe zone, group 2 stays on the longer outer part||
spoiler just in case

[real swan]

okay

[gaunt star]

well from my pov Fortnite shouldn't win anything just because they have the numbers to push others around

[mortal barn]

yup, they are sensitive. Should craft him an earmuff 😛 https://i.imgur.com/yXZfzr4.png

[gaunt star]

I wonder if any of the jobs make use of ||dynamis|| more then aether

[mental tangle]

<3.<3

[real venture]

|| wow we really left Zenos to die on the end of the world by himself lol || - Endwalker Quest

[north silo]

https://tenor.com/view/its-what-she-deserves-kim-k-gif-12594047

[gaunt star]

||I really hope he stay dead this time||

[real venture]

|| as they welcome us home... they have no idea if any of us are dead or alive lol ||

[rare saddle]

Random final trial observations
||in the cutscene before the fight where endsinger bleeds from her eyes, thancred gets blasted by a center aoe

But during the trial, we see that is actually an indicator for the side aoes
So thancred did the mechanic right but got scammed anyway||

[north silo]

https://tenor.com/view/its-what-she-deserves-kim-kardashian-smile-gif-14834354

[hollow sapphire]

|| Doesn't he die just before you pass out? He stops breathing at one point||

[mortal barn]

||https://i.imgur.com/FSL8qv3.png||Blood Red and the two missing dwarves

[north silo]

||Lyse is trying to replace papalymo with more midgets I see||

[mortal barn]

||https://i.imgur.com/m4PYJQz.png|| Hildabrand has a challenger!

[real venture]

|| so we disband, but not really, because its like "we will be back" ||

[north silo]

Now….. why is ||Elpis set out like a Eureka zone||

||inb4 a section of Elpis becomes the area EW relic grind takes place in||

[indigo shale]

||SE like their segmented areas but it looks more like Azys la or the sea of clouds which are also segmented similar||

[mental tangle]

Daddy

[hollow ice]

spoilers tags

[lean ore]

|| they did say if you need them they will regroup, but otherwise yeah, probably for large threats ||

[real venture]

I am so very curious to see where we go from here

[cyan cloak]

||it seems like we may be following meteion||

[next quarry]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa EX parties are annoying

[real venture]

|| That bird ending thou, can't wait ||

[mortal barn]

||https://i.imgur.com/KT7Gx5n.png|| after certain grand meeting with old faces before Garlmeld, if you visit people who appear in the meeting, they will have extra dialogue :3

[dusky shoal]

so i just noticed something is ||vtra the first ever dragon on the story to speak genuine english?||

[lean ore]

hes the youngest so hes not boomerified yet kek

[errant perch]

||doesnt midgardsormr speak english?||

[lime trail]

These AST changes in ew are a net positive I think... except for the now greedy 3 sign skill... no great

[humble heron]

I think he uses telepathy

[mint notch]

[mortal barn]

highlander, but in the width, not the height

[slender siren]

[gaunt star]

If Shadowbringers was a 9/10, I think Endwalker is a 8/10 expansion wise

[vital brook]

Reject bunbois in maid dress

Embrace Fem Au Ra in butler suits

[mental tangle]

Spoilers Next playable race

[inner ice]

awh cute art

[north silo]

I doubt that would ever happen considering there’s ||only 3 and all female||

[mental tangle]

Well male viera dont exist on any ff only the 14 so

[lean ore]

https://tenor.com/view/yoshi-p-watch-time-late-behind-gif-23480539

[indigo shale]

||3? theirs more than that||

[native delta]

This meme has been helping one of my FC mates get through the emotional parts and I thought it was funny so here

[indigo shale]

||hermes never gives a number, he just refers to them as "many", if there was only that few then damn they be efficient going through thousands of stars before hermes ask for the report||

[glossy hemlock]

I really wish I could replay that part ugh

[indigo shale]

||also proof that he gives no number of how many exist||

[glossy hemlock]

But also male viera do exist in other games they just never showed them.

[half phoenix]

It’s probably safe to say the ||swarm/flock of black starbirds in the cutscene transition between Dead Ends and The Final Day were each a different Meteion. I just wish we had some designation for the one we met in Elpis||

Also for why they won’t be a new race: ||canonically they can’t eat :P||

[indigo shale]

||also their would be no lore reason for it||

[indigo shale]

yeah they exist in FF12 and tactics but are never shown iirc

[half phoenix]

I mean ||there’s not really any lore reason to allow male viera to exist. They’re suppose to be murdered if they try to leave the woods||

[glossy hemlock]

The lore reason is they have to procreate...

[indigo shale]

is that 12 lore or 14

[half phoenix]

It’s the same

It’s Matsuno’s lore. They had to get permission from him to even add the Viera in the first place

[indigo shale]

because all is said in 14 is that if they leave no they can never return

nothing about being killed, maybe if they try to return, but not otherwise

[glossy hemlock]

I wonder, do NPCs ever bring up the fact it’s rare to see a viera around?

It’s obviously not rare in regards to players being viera, but ingame lore

[lean ore]

well the end of the world is as good reason as any

[static niche]

She's there. ||She's the blue songbird floating next to Endsinger begging to stop.||

[half phoenix]

Btw, anyone else hoping we get gear based on ||the global citizens from the second part of Dead Ends?||

[static niche]

perhaps

[indigo shale]

||i want more lore on that whole section, what was happening on the star and everything||

[iron haven]

I'm so confused with the world map, spoilers 5th area ||Why is the world unsundered (Elpis) in "The First" in the world map?||

[half phoenix]

No? Also when I said ||”designation”, I meant like a name instead of just her species name.||

[static niche]

She is and ||no need for designation because she is them and they are her. as created by hermes.||

[half phoenix]

||Something something world control government, something something resistance counter to government. Gov made peacekeeper robots, killed everyone including creators because anti peace||

[blazing edge]

wow the queues arent too bad today

[static niche]

they were 2.5k an hour ago

[blazing edge]

and its not exactly off-peak

[raw bough]

cactuar 4600

[half phoenix]

||She turned black/dark and stayed that way as she flew off, I doubt the blue one in the dungeon is the same one. I think the one we talk to at the end is the one we met at Elpis||

[static niche]

you don't even understand. alas.

[half phoenix]

Also ||designations were listed off in the report just before Ktisis, weren’t they? What each Meteion found?||

[glossy hemlock]

They’re || a hive mind none of them are individuals as soon as they reconnect. They all share the same memories. So the one you meet is the one you’ve met even if it isn’t physically ||

[static niche]

Let me explain this very very simply.
||Meteion on elpis doesn't want hermes to know the result, but the overwhelming despair experienced by her sisters, and as the core of the hivemind she is turned black by it after finally expressing it, but that is not her specifically, simply the contrast of the negativity other Meteions experienced, Elpis Meteion did not want any of this, hence she is the blue songbird.||

[mental tangle]

Amm i know were jenova came from now

[static niche]

are you talking about ||the first section in 90msq dungeon?||

[half phoenix]

That’s a lot of assumptions since we ||have no reason or proof of that one being the same though, she fell to despair regardless||

[static niche]

then I have to apologize for you. Cuz you don't need proof to assume.

[mental tangle]

Jajaja remenber what hermes said that she had sisther

[half phoenix]

Yes, you’re ASSUMING

[mental tangle]

Yess

[static niche]

books and otherwise do not need to outright states it, it's up to the readers to read into it and come up with their own guesses, and literally everyone here knows that ||blue songbird beside Endsinger is Elpis Meteion.||
beside you two. sad.

[half phoenix]

How though??

[static niche]

||because elpis meteion is the only one we've spoken to and formed connection with? the one at edge of universe is not our meteion.||

i'm not arguing this with you anymore, your face is too thick for me to get it through

[half phoenix]

||wasn’t the one guiding us through the dungeon also blue until we killed Ra-la??||

[static niche]

||That's how they looked originally before they finally despaired... By the end of the entire thing, all but elpis meteion turned black and relayed the results to her.||

[hollow sapphire]

Are people in PF doing blind prog for the extremes?

[static niche]

some, not all.

[half phoenix]

..... ||we weren’t in the past during Dead Ends, she was actively showing us the downfall of past worlds, so how did she “fall to despair” while trying to show us despair???||

[jolly sierra]

The blue || meteion at the end of the msq is elpis meteion because that is simply what has the most emotional pull and is therefore pretty obviously what the writers intended ||

That, or || it's just a random blue bird that reminds us of meteion ||

[static niche]

nicely put. wasn't sure how to say it without sounding off.

[jolly sierra]

But also since || she's showing us her memories of despair it makes sense that she's blue, because she hadn't fallen to despair yet while the civilisations were still alive ||

|| She only turned black after the shared consciousness collectively had a meltdown, which was after the civilisations collapsed ||

[jolly sierra]

Maybe try thinking things through and explaining your point better instead of resorting to insults

[granite nimbus]

I'm done! I can't be spoiled anymore Woo!

[jolly sierra]

Congrats but also I'm sorry

[granite nimbus]

Nah, it's definitely my fault for still internet browsing and clicking on obvious spoilers before I finished.

[slender siren]

Disney when

[granite nimbus]

That said, I managed to not spoil myself too much so a lot of the surprises and gut punches still hit home.

[mental tangle]

Nice mount

[jolly sierra]

Oh no I just meant msq spoilers || personally I was emotionally devastated by the msq ||

[granite nimbus]

||The last zone in particular was just... gut punch after gut punch.||

||On one hand, I know the author isn't cruel enough to kill off the Scions. On the other hand, watching them all march to their deaths for my sake was just awful.||

||By the end, the WoL is going, "Stop! Not one more word!"||

[jolly sierra]

TELL ME ABOUT IT OMG. || I finished msq on day 3 of EA and I still cry in bed thinking about it sometimes||

Ah || feels are coming back thanks ||

[granite nimbus]

Sorry.

[jolly sierra]

Don't be. I will take every opportunity I have to be reminded of the msq because I was very tired when I did it so honestly I've forgotten a lot

I'll replay it when the have msq rework up to this expansion

[static niche]

It's a world fate boss as well, in HW.

[jolly sierra]

See u in 15.0 lads

[static niche]

you get some ranchy ass print clothings.

[errant perch]

||im legit just tearing up thinking about that last zone||

[jolly sierra]

[granite nimbus]

What dialogue option did you guys pick for ||Zenos' final challenge?||

[marsh osprey]

gg ez

[static niche]

the first one

that should be the only option you pick anyway cuz other two is too ||goodytwoshoes||

[uncut mica]

The first one was the only good choice. And it was also the correct one.

[granite nimbus]

||Well, I picked it not because the others are "too goody two-shoes", but it just felt in-character for me. Zenos rant was targeted at the players as much as the WoL, and the latter is established to have a thirst for adventure and life on the edge. As much as they also enjoy the little moments of quiet, they're just not one to let a potential challenge go assuming nothing else is at stake.||

[lean ore]

bruh

[static niche]

his horny is to not be underestimated

[lean ore]

lmao

[granite nimbus]

He's desperate man... The "little sun" burn along with every woman he's ever met turning him down has made him willing to bang anything that would be his Nhamma.

[glossy hemlock]

Man my group can’t get past the Chakrams

[lean ore]

Sadu says shes bothered cause Magnai keeps looking at the moon since the final days ended xD

[glossy hemlock]

Sadu is too busy picking up chicks

[lean ore]

i dont have the chicks dialogue 😔

[glossy hemlock]

If you talk to her after stuff apparently || she mentions how lady warriors from other lands keep giving her link pearls ||

[lean ore]

ive already finished the msq n all but yeah

[glossy hemlock]

Not to mention the dialogue before the dungeon in MSQ 83 where || she mentions if they rescue a lady that she’ll be basking in her glorious flame and not have anything to do with Magnai ||

I haven’t went there on my own so I don’t know what part exactly the post MSQ dialogue shows up in but I’ve seen screenshots

[lean ore]

might have been an inbetween then 🤔 well ill do EW on my alt when the queues chill xd

[blazing edge]

lmao

[glossy hemlock]

For which item?

[gaunt star]

lv 80 reaper bars?

[jade relic]

im noticing on reddit that "That, I cant deny" followed by "Hah! Acceptance at long last!" is becoming a meme and it makes me grin every time i see it because that was such a great moment

[inner halo]

I am using zoom while I’m out of my chair if it’s 2002 or manage to get in, I quickly come back to my room

Just killing time

[jade relic]

i have ff on one monitor and play another game on my main monitor until im in

[granite nimbus]

||I also love how Zenos is utterly sidelined for 90% of Endwalker because of how tunnel visioned he is, and it takes Alisaie ripping him a new one verbally for him to realize that maybe focusing on wanton destruction isn't the best idea.||

[gusty tartan]

||I do love how Zenos is like you're not even paying attention to me and then says ill wait till you're done with that and then we'll have the best fight. Boy has got manners||

[jade relic]

|| i also love that this is what gets him to realize maybe if i give the WoL what they want (help with our task) maybe i can finally get what I want ||

[brisk quail]

This

[granite nimbus]

||Even then, I think it's still mostly to his benefit. He wants the WoL to dedicate their all to this fight, either by encouraging them to enjoy the fight as much as him or by getting them to hate him to the point that they'll come at him with everything in order to kill him. He's in it for a good time, not a long time. He doesn't even particularly care about dying so long as he gets the amazing fight he wants.||

||In the end, he's the single least complicated villain in the story... and that's okay. He doesn't need to be anything but a fightsexual sociopath.||

[brisk quail]

If you ||unlock EX trials and Savage and side content... you picked the first option||

||Casual story only players choose the last two||

[jade relic]

|| Getting yelled at by alisaie got him to change his approach tho, before that he would never have struck a bargain with Krile. That was some actual character development ||

also || option 1 was objectively the best for the top tier smug face your WoL makes||

[granite nimbus]

||Yeah. He realized that his tunnel vision was denying him the one thing he craves. In the end, he acknowledges that treating everyone as either a thing to fight or a thing to be ignored wasn't beneficial to him, but on a fundamental level he never changes.||

[gusty tartan]

||is it me or is WoL more expressive in this expac? They've made a lot more faces than I remember them ever doing||

[jade relic]

yep, agree

[granite nimbus]

Definitely.

[gusty tartan]

alright cool. im not crazy

[brisk quail]

Something something we have the technology

[granite nimbus]

The dialogue choices in particularly can either be sillier or snarkier than the weirdest choices in ShB.

[hollow wraith]

loving endwalker so far

I had high expectations after ShB and they were far exceeded

[gusty tartan]

its quite a ride and i wish we could do it all over again.

[errant perch]

Idk if i could ||handle that last zone again||

[jade relic]

I remember reading somewhere that there is more backstory for || Zenos || in a book maybe? but that he || was experimented on and made to be unable to feel emotion, which led to his love for battle because the adrenaline rush is the only thing he is capable of feeling || I dont remember exactly tho so ill have to look it up again, really wish they had expanded on that in the game but I can see why they didnt

[marsh osprey]

im so glad ex trials have coffers now

[gusty tartan]

||he was experimented on but I dont believe that correlated with his emotions. All I remember is he had a shitty home life and was more of a bookworm that was bored till his father forced him to learn combat with a captured rebel that tried to kill him multiple times. In that Zenos learned that fighting for dear life is fucking fun. He was pretty emotionless tho||

[jade relic]

ah, ok that makes sense as well

[gusty tartan]

found it heres his backstory https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/iiyeeu/chronicles_of_light_the_hunt_begins_the_offical/

[brisk quail]

I wish they had ALL kinds of coffers.

Not just weapon coffers... but I can't complain too much.

[next quarry]

giv

pf is absolutely terrible

[mortal barn]

https://i.imgur.com/0k9EfUk.png wait they drop Ceruleum Crystal? 😮

[urban phoenix]

uuuh

what was the first ew zone again? Xd

[brisk quail]

I think it's just tainted with ceruleum

[mortal barn]

Sharlyan

[urban phoenix]

nah fates zone

[brisk quail]

||Lab technically||

[mortal barn]

Labyrinthos

[urban phoenix]

real zone sharly is just a city

[mortal barn]

or Thanvair, depends where you go first

[urban phoenix]

ah yes these 2

[brisk quail]

But in the list Laby is always first

[gusty tartan]

hold up why tf is Laby filled with monsters if they're the ones that created that zone. Did i miss something?

[urban phoenix]

man why are all fates starting at 81

[jade relic]

theyre putting every animal in there, hostile and tame

[urban phoenix]

so mean

[gusty tartan]

I guess workers safety doesnt exist there huh

[jade relic]

good point, time to form the sharlayan workers union

[brisk quail]

Both hostile and docile animals need to be studied

[gusty tartan]

That makes a lot of sense considering the core values of their society

[jade relic]

and ||preserved on the ark||

[gusty tartan]

||Teeny Tiny Little Boat||

[urban phoenix]

alright 10 lvl left on sage

[pastel venture]

Man, they really need to remove the cape on the lvl 90 Reaper set, would look so much better i think

[split nymph]

Is the job gear you get at 89 good enough for the extreme trials?

[lament breach]

Yes

[broken kettle]

Was it the second or the third dungeon some people said to do with NPCs first time ?

[lament breach]

The only thing you might need is to buy some basic tome accessories for ilvl

Depending on what your dungeon rng was like

[static niche]

87 so 4th

[broken kettle]

aight thanks

[static niche]

you're welcome to do trust on all of em tho

[broken kettle]

they're slow tho

[plush summit]

is there anyone able to travel to the 5th area in EW?

i tried teleporting and walking the regular way there but its not letting me in

[broken kettle]

I want the blabber but I also want the fast

[plush summit]

like im not even getting an error msg for it

[lament breach]

Trusts are nice for just taking in the scenery. You can stop and look around, take a couple screenshots with the gang, read any interactable lore items, etc without people rushing you

[static niche]

are you trying ||crystal tower on first?||

[plush summit]

yeah thats actually what im trying right now actually

[static niche]

did you already have it unlocked

[plush summit]

yeah, i was gathering there like last night

[lusty herald]

I played through SHB as a Hrothgar so all I got was "Shocked Pikachu face". I'm a Viera now though and noticed more face stuff than I'd expect and far more physical interaction with other characters.

[static niche]

what does it do when you select the option to go there from the place

[split nymph]

Monk feels weird to play, I think I would like it better if I had 3 perfect balance stacks instead

[plush summit]

so when i teleport, it does the regular tp animation, and then it just cancels itself

[brisk quail]

I think the reason MNK feels weird is the Perfect Balance being it's burst

[plush summit]

same thing if i went the regular way and it fades to black then cancels itself

[brisk quail]

To me... it's understandable but you don't get it very often to make it feel active

[static niche]

what do you means by cancel? does it fully finish the tp?

[plush summit]

like as if the cast for the teleport got interrupted

even though its clearly finished

[static niche]

ok

mine works, so it's not server side.

[gusty tartan]

I've got nothing maybe the MSQ? But if you got the teleport you should be fine

[plush summit]

if theres anything to go off of, im in primal- exodus

[static niche]

i would recommend relogging tbh

[plush summit]

so i absolutely have no idea if its a server issue

[lusty herald]

Capes are a design trap. They try to make them work and can kinda make them work but without an actual system for them they just look stupid.

[static niche]

if you absolutely need to go to ||elpis||, my only recourse is relog

[plush summit]

oh god no lol

[static niche]

just wait 6 or so hours and queue'll be better but it's the weekend so maybe not xd

[plush summit]

cuz i can tp anywhere else, including from my fc house to ||the crystarium||

cuz i woulda thought itd give me an option for the instance stuff first

[static niche]

okay so you have attuned to aetherytes there right?

[plush summit]

yea i did that all last night

[static niche]

msq completed there?

[brisk quail]

Could be congested

[plush summit]

not all of it

like half way ish i think

[plush summit]

my friend mentioned that it could be congested or a hunt but it shouldnt be that way for more than 20 minutes

wait okay so apparently now im told that i needed to register my ffxiv endwalker account cuz now i found out that i cant go into any of the ew areas

[static niche]

LMAO

[abstract harbor]

finally, 4k people later i've connected
now we wait for 9002

[plush summit]

B R U HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[static niche]

did you forget to register the expansion code itself after ea ended? lol

[plush summit]

so im gonna have to relog

yeah i didnt know that there were two different codes

[static niche]

is ew your first launch?

[jade relic]

do you actually have to relog?

[plush summit]

late stormblood was my first launch, i just never did early access shb