retired-patch-6-3-discussion

[vague forum]

We can punch each other.
Our clash shall conflagrate even the brightest star

[static sedge]

the player character in WoW can't ever do anything impactful against the other faction

[vague forum]

It ruins the storyline and yet they can’t get rid of it

Because it is the core selling point of WOW

Race based faction PvP

[humble heron]

i dunno if people care about the open world pvp these days

[slender siren]

Acceptance

[vague forum]

AT LONG LAST!

[static sedge]

yeah but people are still attached to their faction and races

[half phoenix]

Destiny's isn't ending. There's still the third Hive leader

[static sedge]

like we'll have a bunch of people bad-mouthing uther and anduin and the other who loves them

[vague forum]

I mean, can you blame them?
If I ever go back to wow, 1 im a horde forever and 2 im a blood elf loyalist

[static sedge]

and any narrative involving them is going to be perceived differently depending on which faction you like

[vague forum]

That ain’t ever changing

[static sedge]

imagine if Raubahn was a war general raging conflict against Gridania and Limsa, and how much that would fuck up the narrative

[vague forum]

The best thing they can do for WOW PvP is make it something like a “competition” while the factions are allied in story

[slender siren]

The final shape is ending the light and darkness saga

[vague forum]

It works for WOW cuz the premise is that the two factions are always divided

[half phoenix]

But there's still the Darkness and the third Hive leader.... they won't be "finishing" their story for another 5 years at the rate they go

[vague forum]

Their failing is not divorcing that aspect from the narrative and leaving it on the side for PVP purposes

[slender siren]

The final shape is 2024

[native sapphire]

OH MY GOD GOOSEBUMPS

[vague forum]

Because world PVP and shit.

[static sedge]

Wow's other issue is that things keep escalating and they don't come down

[vague forum]

Enjoy the last quest.
It’s mind blowing.

On another note, EX1 I have a personal grudge against

[half phoenix]

You mean the stuff the vast majority of the player base no longer cares about because they're just making servers Alliance or Horde and ignoring the pointless conflict?

[vague forum]

Tell that to Ion.
Mister “nothing wrong with conduit energy”

[half phoenix]

???

[vague forum]

What I’m saying is, wow devs are the definition of pig headed

[static sedge]

in battle for azeroth one of the main selling points is that you're battling for azerite, the planet's life essence

[half phoenix]

Ah

Well I was thinking about how bad the shifts in faction balance was in Classic that they had to update/modify the battleground queue system so matches could actually be had

[vague forum]

It makes zero sense why the horde and alliance are on each other’s cases in shadowlands, yet horde and alliance are still at each other’s throats

[vague forum]

This is a result of Min maxing at the cost of fun/immersion

Horde, until wrath, had the best racials for pvp.

[half phoenix]

That's not what caused it

[native sapphire]

oh my god guys im literally crying

what the heck, it's SO GOOD

[static sedge]

horde is just generally cooler

[half phoenix]

it's just people being sick of world pvp and not wanted to be ganked while they're out doing quests or trying to do other world content

[vague forum]

I mean yeah, that’s because of the imbalance in faction racials.

[half phoenix]

Faction racials had nothing to do with it

[vague forum]

I wanna get it straight, you talking about ganking entirely?

[half phoenix]

people just didn't want PvP, so they left for a horde or alliance dominated server so they'd have less of a chance of dealing with it

[slender siren]

Dusk Vigil hard mode when

[vague forum]

Godfuckingdammit autocorrect fucking work with me

[half phoenix]

Never

[static sedge]

no really horde is just generally cooler in terms of classes, how the races look and characters within the faction

[vague forum]

There were pve servers for that kind of thing and yet PVP servers were still very popular

[half phoenix]

Yes just ganking in general, some random player coming out of nowhere, probably over your level, and killing you just for the fun of it

And don't PvE servers still force world PvP?

[vague forum]

No

You only get tagged for PVP if you attack a PVP tagged target

[high dew]

God, going through EW as a monk was the best feeling I've had in a while.

[vague forum]

The reason people stopped fighting back in PVP servers; and this is alliance side, is because Horde was just dominating literally everything

And that was because the most tryhard players rolled on horde just for the sweet, sweet racials

That racial imbalance was what caused the faction imbalance that made people just absolutely sick of world PVP

[half phoenix]

And there were horde leaving because alliance started dominated servers. It happened on both sides and they just went to the servers that were dominated by the side their character was on

[vague forum]

It’s rare for alliance to dominate PVP servers.
What usually happens is that PVE servers are alliance dominated (cuz PVE) while PVP servers are either neck and neck or horde dominated.

This could be different on NA though, but I’m speaking on EU realms

[distant elk]

final trial spoiler || anyone know the song thats played when hydaelin is talking to you after you defeat her ? ||

[half phoenix]

||That's not the final trial||

[distant elk]

|| fair enough. My question remains the same none the less ||

[half phoenix]

Also if you mean the melancholic piano piece, Flow

[distant elk]

no, the woman singing

[half phoenix]

Give me a couple minutes then, need to check a vod

[distant elk]

thanks bud ❤️

its the equivalent of tomorrow and tomorrow of this exp

[vague forum]

Probably flow band version

[half phoenix]

Still Flow

[static sedge]

oh yeah i forgot to mention by far the biggest issue in WoW's storytelling

[half phoenix]

It's the same song, the vocals just start about 25-30s in

[distant elk]

okay, ill look it up. Since you guys are so knowledgeable about the music, do you happen to know what the lil guitar melody song that plays during quest dialog in sharlayan is calledf ?

[static sedge]

everything gets leaked, datamined or put on the PTR

[half phoenix]

Not sure for the quest stuff, but ||Flow is one of the final MSQ rewards, along with Endwalker - Footfalls, and a couple other items||

[vague forum]

Thinking about tomorrow and tomorrow hits me with the biggest wave of nostalgia.
Makes me miss norvrandt

[static sedge]

man i wished we could take ryne along

[half phoenix]

Then we wouldn't have Estinien

[static sedge]

why not both

[half phoenix]

Then that's 9 trust NPCs >_>

[late aurora]

Then we’d have to make a spirit vessel for her, and Gaia most likely

[half phoenix]

We'd have to KILL her first

and find some host for her spirit

[late aurora]

Because no way are they leaving the other behind

[vital brook]

i have shotgun

[static sedge]

i've always felt like the scions are a sausage party, with potatos

[vague forum]

||Well I mean Gaia if she regains her loghriff memories can probably travel between shards.
But Ryne will have a hard time.||

[obsidian osprey]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZqFJnSTt6Q Zepla speaking facts

[slender siren]

Sounds like paglathan

[pseudo quiver]

Alfred get the shot gun

[slender siren]

GG Bungie

[coarse meadow]

damn plagarising the award winning MMORPG Final Fantasy 14 which has a free trial including the also award winning expansion heavensward

[tardy hare]

(LV 85 MSQ) you've heard of vertical viera now get ready for

[slender siren]

||Hyur||

[vague forum]

Gotta say, as far as area music goes.
My favorites are ||close in the distance|| and ||home beyond the horizon||
Both perfectly set up the tone… ||and I get that the latter isn’t exactly a zone theme, it did play in certain areas in that zone||

[half phoenix]

Also how long before people just give on the "spoilers" thing

like sooner or later we'll just be saying ||Ultima Thule or Elpis|| in shout chat in cities, because again, spoilers don't exist without context

[humble heron]

i think itll be a little bit

[brisk quail]

||emet trust emet trust||

Saying it still doesn't make it feel real

[half phoenix]

Like how people gave up on hiding Tempest fairly quick

[late aurora]

Give people a month at least

[half phoenix]

Like even FC lists and friends don't hide zone names XD

[late aurora]

Bold of you to assume I look at those

[north silo]

Bold of you to assume I have friends or an FC

[undone zodiac]

Can you somehow hide other players from your screen?

[half phoenix]

As in not make them render? No

Only way to not know where future quest points are in your area are to do the MSQ a few weeks from now when most are done

[jade relic]

I wonder if there’s a mod or plug-in for that

[half phoenix]

Doubtful, because that'd be screwing with the client be bannable

[dense stump]

guys do u know where to get this scythe

[humble heron]

you can hide other players i think via a mod

[undone zodiac]

Fuck these people standing in my screenshot space

[slate ridge]

if ||elidibus says going to the past wont change your future, then how come graha went to the past from the future as the exarch and basically removed his future from the stream of time?||

[dense stump]

where do I get this its the one they teased on twitter

[humble heron]

you might be able to hide other people in gpose but im not positive

[slate ridge]

||graha came from the future where theres an eight umbral calamity and by fixing the first, and defeating both emet and elidibus, that future is pretty much erased||

[north silo]

We needed an eighth cause 7 is an odd number and it’s pissing me off

[slate ridge]

yeah somehow i dont feel comfortable seeing odd numbers

[slender siren]

I wonder who’s gonna be involved with Pandæmonium

[slate ridge]

odd number of food items for exp? i eat it to even it out. it feels weird of me

[undone zodiac]

My lord and savior. Thanks so much lol

[slate ridge]

am i numberist?

[brisk quail]

No info on it yet

[humble heron]

||because otherwise we wouldnt have everyones favorite catboy back. but i think the real reason why it works is that graha didn't care about returning to his original time and therefore could fuck with the timeline every which way. for us, we can't stop the final days because the final days shaped the reality we mean to return to||

[dense stump]

ty

[slate ridge]

||so the final days is pretty much ingrained into the present reality and it can't be changed||

[humble heron]

||yes, at least ingrained into the reality where we time traveled back in the first place||

||also theres time dilation and shit going to the first so that could also play a part in it. keep in mind they created a copy of Alexander so they probably have greater control over the timeline anyway||

[slate ridge]

oh yeah, ||i was told during first run of the twinning by party members that i need to do the alexander raids to understand the final boss and music playing it||

[humble heron]

go do them smh

[slate ridge]

or something related to it

i already did, but back then, i was focused on doing the msq around the time 5.3(?) give or take is out

[humble heron]

ah i see

but yes what happened is the garland ironworks made a primal that could control time and then also harnessed omega's power to move between dimensions

[late aurora]

The result is tycoon

[humble heron]

who's name is apparently a reference and thats hilarious

[late aurora]

Yep, the name Tycoon is a FF5 reference

[north silo]

Can you return to ||Elpis|| after the MSQ

[humble heron]

yes

its a zone like any other zone

[jade relic]

Cheaper than tp to sharlayan too somehow

[late aurora]

Alexander Highwind Tycoon

[quick widget]

How can you get the white outfit? ||sharlyan forum outfit||

Is it even obtainable

[humble heron]

it is obtainable

[next quarry]

quest lets you wear it for a small bit

[humble heron]

at least im fairly sure its obtainable

[quick widget]

So you can’t keep it

[severe cloak]

I just finished my role quests for DNC and I want to strangle whoever designed the headpiece dye...

[distant elk]

adorable

[humble heron]

god, i cant wait for the patches

im curious where the hell they are gonna go within EW

[lean ore]

dynamis/akasa is just anime plot armor

[pastel venture]

canon plot armor

[half phoenix]

er, yes and no

[jade relic]

Small. Angery.

[half phoenix]

It's half dark matter theory, and half a spiritual theory whose name escapes me at the moment

[lean ore]

regardless Limit Break uses dynamis

[half phoenix]

mhm

[jade relic]

I love that both the duty finder and limit break have actual lore explanations now, thats really cool

[lean ore]

https://tenor.com/view/smirk-anime-anime-girl-smirk-zenith-evil-smirk-funny-smile-gif-20308316

[late aurora]

Duty finder already had a lore explanation tho

[hushed hill]

Post MSQ spoilers ||So as far as I can tell the noise that emanated from the centre of the star was never addressed? With the final cutscene at the end I'm guessing it has to do with pandemonium as they mention travelling deeper?||

[late aurora]

You’re grouping up with other adventurers/your fishing buddies

[deft burrow]

Meteion.

[half phoenix]

It can't have been Meteion because she LEFT

[dim sigil]

|| Was 🐦 👧 ||

[hushed hill]

||But that was coming from outside the star no? So it would be the opposite ||

[half phoenix]

They said the noise came from the ground, not the sky

[sour perch]

pst msq spoilers||it was not directly addressed and we don't explicitly know if it's one and the same but we'll see||

[regal lantern]

There is lore for aether currents too. Like they actually exist lol

[deft burrow]

No, it just so happened to emanate from the ground. It was her song.

[hushed hill]

Ah okay I see, thanks

[half phoenix]

emanate means comes from/originates....

so how would her song from space be coming out of the ground >_>

[jade relic]

oh yeah, emmenelaine mentions it iirc

[dim sigil]

I just think it's a little bit of a ret con

[regal lantern]

Yeah lol

[deft burrow]

Yes, triggered by Dynamis reaction due to Meteion the planet itself had that noise occur. Remember on the moon when you get that red flash and the planet is being covered and you hear someone speak?

[dim sigil]

W.e they had planned in shb originally it changed a little

[deft burrow]

Yeah

[dim sigil]

I highly doubt she existed as a character when they were writing shadowbringers

[deft burrow]

She probably did

They planned Shadowbringers back in Heavensward.

[hushed hill]

||Yes it did seem quite out of the blue, I would have preferred if it was something that was moreso alluded to before||

[lean ore]

they are 2 expansions ahead in terms of msq development

[dim sigil]

They may have had a concept but her as she is wasn't finalized until and Walker probably

[deft burrow]

I'm sure that the whole story was already written out by the time Stormblood came out.

[lean ore]

lol

[deft burrow]

Maybe Meteion triggered Pandaemonium and that was the noise

[hollow ice]

bruh spoiler tags tho

[tiny wind]

oh shit

[deft burrow]

bruh

no one should be in this chat if they are worried about spoilers

[humble heron]

you should tag spoilers my guy

[hollow ice]

#916247709462200390 exists for a reason

[tiny wind]

imma delete then

[deft burrow]

This includes and isn't limited to spoilers surrounding MSQ

[humble heron]

its fine to discuss spoilers that doesnt mean u shouldnt tag them

[deft burrow]

I guess

[hushed hill]

I also cant even navigate to that all spoilers allowed channel without using the link?

[humble heron]

its a thread

[hushed hill]

Ah, I havent touched those yet

[rain onyx]

Once you click the join button or talk in a thread, it stays open for you

Or if someone pings you from in the thread

[hushed hill]

I see, since everything I ask I spoiler tag in here anyway since post msq I might move over there, thanks!

[vague forum]

||Now I think about it, we never did get anything that built up to Meteion outside of Endwalker.||
||Feels like a plot device in hindsight, then again they did make Meteion work in Endwalker so that’s not a bad thing overall||

[half phoenix]

I mean.... isn't that the standard for final bosses in RPGs?

[late aurora]

You were only facing my underling yadda yadda

[astral trout]

[last trial]||I just realized scions did their LB3 to save us, even better than tank lb3, we were invuln basically||

[undone iris]

Extreme fight question: ||when Hydelin does the cone attack to random dps/heal/tank, do you NEED to be behind a crystal?||

[vague forum]

I mean, not all of em.
Heck FF7 had a clear focus on the final boss and it built up on that.
Even in 14 there was emet-Selch in ShB (emperor Solus) and Zenos in SB (who iirc, has been built up on since post ARR) as FF14 examples

[jade phoenix]

the entire omega raid series

[lean ore]

shhhh

[slate ridge]

||does hydaelyn exist back when the source was whole? or was she created after the final days||

[warped hull]

After ||final days begin|| I think

[slate ridge]

||i am at the point where you tell venat, hythodaelus and emet that youre from the future and all of the events that would happen, even including that their paradise will end and it repeats again||

[astral trout]

lol forgot the quotes

[astral trout]

||She didn't really had any role until the end or at the very beginning, and after all I think her character is really well done and genius to be honest||

||What was foreshadowed instead was the end instead and how it affected magics, her effects were known but not the cause or her existence so something was responsible for the end a phenomena or something else||

[thorny flax]

MSQ ending spoiler: ||I'm shocked that they didn't nerf us or the Azem crystal||

||the fight against Zenos was so good||

[hollow sapphire]

It's time

[humble heron]

Spoilers for gil amount smh

[astral trout]

Wait you don't get XP even if you are not max lvl?

[slate ridge]

||ofc emet denies its true, but i bet he will learn that he created zodiark, founded the garlean empire, rebuild amarout in his grief and basically invited you to his death||

[jade relic]

its a level 90 quest

[vital brook]

Bro this shit actually has me Walking

[jade relic]

you have to be max level to accept it

[astral trout]

ohhh, I'm dumb

[leaden wind]

I don't know what or why, but something is off with sage.
I use literally every skill at my disposal short of powerhealing, and I cometimes just can't keep my tank alive in a dungeon

[vital brook]

||I know it's called Endwalker but im actually walking||

[humble heron]

@vital brook roll credits

[lean ore]

THE WEIGHT

[jade relic]

read the buff you got

[astral trout]

||I learned that RP walk just reduces your speed, it's not a fixed speed||

[humble heron]

Time to rp walk with lost sprint on

[split forum]

How much harder is || Mommy EX || compared to normal? I’m scared to join a PF even tho everyone’s relatively new to it

[undone zodiac]

That shit had you walking
That shit had me crying

We are not the same

[thorny flax]

Endwalker ending spoiler:|| I'm so glad how the story ended. I love that we are finally back to simpler times without all the cosmic stuff. I seriously need a break from it after this||

[humble heron]

We shall deal with an even bigger threat ||estinien spending the scions money again||

[thorny flax]

lmao

[humble heron]

If there is something that could seriously threaten the scions its that

[thorny flax]

||btw I feel like Ishikawa took it really seriously when people memed about Raha being a simp. This expansion he's one of the characters with the most badass scenes||

[humble heron]

But ||he is still a simp||

[thorny flax]

indeed 😄

[dawn basin]

RPR quest:

||BAD TOUCH!! BAD TOUCH!! STRANGER DANGER!!||

[glossy hemlock]

You literally can’t turn in the quest on a Job that isn’t level 90

[vital brook]

I dont got words

[astral trout]

Why do they put new regions to Other? Yet they put 2 different regions in the same tab

[deft burrow]

I don't think anyone did

Too busy balling our eyes out

[jade relic]

this was where i decided this was the best game I had ever played

[deft burrow]

same

[humble heron]

Its not a good game until estinien marries a dragon

[jade relic]

lmao

[deft burrow]

church bad because they won't let us fuck dragons

[humble heron]

Basicially the plot of heavensward

[vital brook]

Bro you cant just ||kill Emet-Selch twice|| and except us to not react

[deft burrow]

Just wait till the end art image. You will cry.

||So its stated that primals normally don't have tempering, that was created by the ascians||

||Does that mean that the Ascians were indeed not tempered by Zodiark when first summoning him?||

[late aurora]

They were

[deft burrow]

||There was also that little wink with Livingway saying you could feel a tug from a being as powerful as Zodiark||

[jade relic]

|| they said that if you summon a primal as powerful as zodiark then youd probably feel something ||

[deft burrow]

It wasn't explicitly clear tbh

[hazy apex]

So how difficult are the EX's?

[late aurora]

Even with the pure method, Big primal can mess with you

[deft burrow]

||Yeah probably, but the fact they address it with feeling a "tug" means you probably wouldn't be fully tempered||

||But Zodiark was not created by the Ascians, and they say that the Ascians created tempering afterwards, so its still up in the air whether they were tempered or not||

[thorny flax]

Is it true that they increased incoming raid damage in ex trials and now all healers are whining?

[late aurora]

||Emet literally tells you|| that they were tempered

[brisk quail]

||No. They were tempered||

[deft burrow]

Aight okay

[native sapphire]

funny talking fortune teller lmao

[hollow ice]

you also gotta remember ||that the method used to summon zodiark involved sacrificing the people which means they quite literally aspected themselves towards zodiark||

[slate ridge]

and that is how you get au ras

[brisk quail]

||Livingway just comments that non-zodiark level power primals don't normally temper unless you teach it a certain way/maliciously||

||like they said it's usually from fanatical beliefs||

||which when the beast tribes summoned them... were absolutely fanatical||

[late aurora]

And after years of bad shit happening

[deft burrow]

||It also makes sense like with Emet learning about the future in Elpis stating how he wouldn't forsake his people, meaning that he must have been tempered to do so.||

[brisk quail]

||hence the 'leaders' of the grand company of eorzea summoned them and they were totally safe||

||given those beast tribe leaders are by far the most level headed/seen the horrors of tempering firsthand and would not do that||

[tardy hare]

I finished the lv 83 || garlemald|| portion of the MSQ yesterday. Was NOT expecting ||that train scene|| and I have a feeling that's just the beginning

[deft burrow]

||Plus Livingway told them how to do the proper summoning, not the method taught by the Ascians.||

[deft burrow]

Yep.

[jade relic]

correct

[undone zodiac]

Imma be honest, if we're going the redemption route Imma be a little pissed

I'm sorry but this is bullshit

Wow this is terrible

[astral trout]

I disagree

[late aurora]

||She baby|| tho

[errant perch]

||killing the one would only make the remaining ones dispair more. The best way to stop their destruction is to make them happy||

[undone zodiac]

They should have made this a choice to be fair

[astral trout]

||You need to understand that how she was made and her job||

[undone zodiac]

This is fair

[hollow ice]

I mean ||she thinks shes doing whats best for us so its not like shes irredeemable just she doesnt understand the nuances and went the wrong way||

[undone zodiac]

That'd don't mean we should just accept some ||genocide commiting robot||

[astral trout]

||Ultimately she want to choose a path and meaning in everyones existence, she realized that the best way is death yet she fails because her question was flawed from the beginning||

[late aurora]

Okay no

Not going there, no siree

[hollow ice]

I mean you can ||not accept someone and still redeem them its not like the 2 are mutually exclusive||

[undone zodiac]

Why not. It's a serious argument.

[astral trout]

Not for everyone

[hollow ice]

its not like that translates even closely to this

[late aurora]

But like I’m 100% sure mentioning that guy will get you muted

[undone zodiac]

I ain't glorifying him lmao

I'm just pissed they pulled an Emet-Selch (which he actually deserved).

And for the past 15 quests all I wanted was to ||fucking kill it and now this.||

[late aurora]

Okay that’s you

[dire trench]

I wish the fight with ||zenos|| was a bit harder 😐 Something like bozja duels level of difficulty

[late aurora]

It’s msq, they want people to beat it

[thorny flax]

they can't do that

[dire trench]

yeah, but it makes it kinda boring

[thorny flax]

even though it would be funny just bc of story skippers that started with EW PepeLaugh

[dire trench]

they give you 6 lives, make people actually need more than 2

[late aurora]

What about little Timmy?

[astral trout]

I think ||you killed all her sisters||

[dire trench]

lil timmy gets to pick very easy difficulty after dying

[next quarry]

wait you get 6 lives?

[dire trench]

yeah

[next quarry]

i was so scared to die once that i only used the mandatory one

[dire trench]

you are obligated to use 2 of them by his thorns attack that does 240k (idk if that last hit actually uses one though)

[thorny flax]

||It's good that they didn't kill her off because this would be completely against Endwalkers entire theme of finding hope even in the darkest hour. Imagine you kill off the character where the entire theme of endwalker is the most important one||

it would be bad writing

[astral trout]

Agree

||Not only that but you wouldn't have the best moment in the game||

[late aurora]

“But what about me though” /s

[astral trout]

end spoiler ||In a way you arent fighting her, instead the despair that has overcome her. That's how every floor on last area was overcome.||

[dull lake]

Is the 2nd trial (||Hydaelyn||) easier if you ||Use trust||?
||I swear i failed half the mechanics and somehow nothing could kill me||

[dire trench]

it's a normal difficulty trial where everyone but you knows how to do it

so using trust probably did make it easier in that sense

[dull lake]

I say it as ||there were NUMEROUS instances where i was supposed to die but i only got a effect that kept me alive for some reason||

is that on normal as well?

[dire trench]

ah, I forgot about that

yeah, that's not in it without trust

[late aurora]

Most likely just for the trust, because you know die once and it’s over

[dire trench]

that's probably there because in trusts you can't die (or you restart)

[dull lake]

Makes sense, i will probably do it normally later so i can understand the mechanics, it really felt like i was doing absolutely nothing and still surviving

[undone zodiac]

fuck he tall

[dull lake]

And didn't felt deserved

[late aurora]

You still do the mechanics, they’re just giving you leeway

[clear flame]

If you go through Trust again you'll see where your list of buffs are is ||Will to Live|| which is what's causing that

[olive spruce]

first time I went into that trial the healer said "good luck everyone, tried 3 times with trusts and gave up"

[clear flame]

its got a nice description too

[dull lake]

how

[olive spruce]

ikr?

[dire trench]

how?

[dull lake]

Guess they didn't had the will to live

[late aurora]

It’ll already take longer than normal because trusts are weird

[dire trench]

trust made it pretty easy

you just followed for the mechanics until you understood them

[olive spruce]

idk tbh... I went blind and didn't die once lol

[torpid phoenix]

Has ACT been updated to Endwalker?

[olive spruce]

and like... day 2 so nobody else knew the mechs either

[dire trench]

I remember nearly dying to that doughnut cleave that she has the 1st time it went out, did something like 90% of my hp

[olive spruce]

yep

[late aurora]

I only died because I moved too soon for a stack

[torpid phoenix]

Thanks

[late aurora]

And maybe the cross aoe

[olive spruce]

I think people just struggle with their own jobs and get less mental space to process mechanics on the fly

back in ARR a friend of mine gave up the game on T6

[dire trench]

||final dungeon|| gave me a bit of a shock with how hard the raidwide hits

[olive spruce]

because they didn't have the attention required to heal + do all mechs

[main umbra]

WOOo first run got scythe

[abstract harbor]

quick question, all 3 lvl 90 EW dungeons drop ||the last|| accessories, right?

[vital brook]

So... the Higher Oh Higher part of the song... ||it isnt about WoL||

[dire trench]

||it's about tataru's gil piles after she becomes an omni-crafter||

[thorny flax]

Ending Spoiler: ||Did people meme already about the final boss btw? She sounds legit like Sylvanas Windrunner||

[olive spruce]

||that's not the last boss tho ||

[vital brook]

It's about ||Meteion||

[dire trench]

I was joking, sry

[hollow wraith]

https://youtu.be/KF32DRg9opA

[split forum]

Welp. Gonna do my 1st 89 EX trial. I’m scared

[mellow nymph]

So i have reached level 85 and now i have to make a comment (spoiler marked) as an FGO fan

[vital brook]

I cant believe it, they actually managed to ||redeem Zenoos||

[mellow nymph]

||holy hell the whole situation in Thavnair, and even the music change, reminds me of singularity 7: Babylonia, the dread is massive and it feels like everything is about to go to hell, and the monsters even remind me of the Blasted Lahmu fuck...||

[mellow nymph]

||in fact building off of this my theory is that whoever is doing this is something similar to Tiamat (FGO Tiamat) in a way cause she is like capable of birthing everything and everything is born from her, as such i expect some kinda abomination as close to her in a way||

[vital brook]

Never in my wildest dreams would i have thought that ||Garuda|| had ||ojou-sama tendencies||

[kindred urchin]

I'm gonna regret asking this but I need to confirm this ||is there a golden doggo mount in endwalker||

[vital brook]

I think so

[dire trench]

yes ||you get it after completing EW||

[amber canopy]

All I want for Christmas is you ||Final Fight Zenos Savage||, please Yoshi-P

[dire trench]

yep, give us a ||zenos fight|| that's on a par with bozja/zadnor duels

[kindred urchin]

I knew I wasn't seeing things

[worn cairn]

So I finally cleared ||Hydaelyn’s EX|| yesterday but it seems we got wiped out with ||Heroes Radiance on final phase|| what happened there?

[amber canopy]

I mean, I heard they design EX/Savage first and dumb it down for Normal. So they should have ||Savage Zenos|| in the books already

[dire trench]

||Doggo mounts||

[glossy hemlock]

Lol

[dire trench]

better lineup than previous pic

[hollow ice]

isnt that the enrage

[worn cairn]

Oh? How to deal with it?

[static niche]

by beating her before it happens?

[amber canopy]

You don't "deal" with enrages. Enrage means you are seconds away of instant death

[worn cairn]

Oh wow

[hollow ice]

enrages are just straight up dps checks
but after checking on it I found out that heros radiance is just the raid wide aoe

so you just aoe heal for it

[worn cairn]

But it was instant death

[hollow ice]

when specifically did it happen

[worn cairn]

Last phase

[hollow ice]

and
did it have a really long cast time
happen near the very end of the hp bar

[dire trench]

was it 999999+ damage?

[worn cairn]

After all lightwaves

[worn cairn]

Didnt see that. All ik is everyone’s wiped

[hollow ice]

so either yall werent at full hp and couldnt tank the raid wide
or you guys didnt manage to kill the boss before they finished their enrage ability (which you can see the cast time bar of)

[coarse meadow]

are grade 5 tinctures going to be the best for panda

[worn cairn]

I see. It didnt happen on my 1st clear :/ also i didnt know there’s Enrage

[hollow ice]

every ex trial has enrage

so what prolly happened the first clear is you got a team with really good dps output

[gaunt star]

farming for that orchestrarion for ||ultima thule|| because feels

[vital brook]

i am confused now, finished Endwalker

[hollow ice]

post game dungeons

[vital brook]

ah i see...where do i go get em? also where do i go unlock the current ex

[dire trench]

||doggo line is complete||

[hollow ice]

youll find the unlock quests ||in sharlyan like the notification told you, for ex also there at the you guessed it minstrel||

[late aurora]

Both are in sharlyan

[vital brook]

Thanks fellas

[late aurora]

There’s only like 6 blue quests there, so you can’t miss it

[vital brook]

How come the ||lvl 90 trial doesnt has an EX btw||?

[late aurora]

They never do in X.0

[vital brook]

So it comes later? like Hades?

[hollow ice]

yup 6.1

[vital brook]

thank u

[main umbra]

pain extreme mount drop. I roleld a 1

[hollow ice]

save up those 99 totems ig

[main umbra]

plz

the weapon dont even look that good sadly.

[static niche]

what weapon

[late aurora]

But what about when it’s glowy

[static niche]

then you're reminded of zurvan weapons. their glows sucks

great looking weapons. suck ass glow

[late aurora]

It’s fire and Ice

[main umbra]

I havent seen glowing version

But the 79 trial extreme base weapon are kinda meh.

[late aurora]

!iglam staff of the demon

[lusty shadow]

**Staff of the Demon** **:** Two–handed Thaumaturge's Arm

Required Level

60

Dyable?

No

Images of glamour items by Gamer Escape.

[worn cairn]

Is there an updated SAM rotation? With infographic

[slate ridge]

should i run the 87 dungeon with party finder or should i do trust because ||the trust members are story exclusive like lyna||

[native delta]

I’ve reached the Level 90 quests (no credit roll yet, just the third aetheryte of the sixth area) and ||STOP THE GAME I WANNA GET OFF THE RIDE||

||If the WoL is only one left when all this is over I may cancel my sub||

||They’re literally taking turns sacrificing themselves I HATE IT. I HATE IT||

[vital brook]

well OOF

OOF

[static niche]

why would you ever play that dungeon with randoms.

[split forum]

|| Mommy || spanked us, but hey, I kinda got a grip on mechanics, so that’s nice

[slate ridge]

maybe leveling afterwards but for msq, ill do trust

[iron rune]

How are people leveling from 80-90? (on alts)

[static niche]

msq

[hollow ice]

msq for first job and then dungeon spam for alts

[iron rune]

thanks

[charred minnow]

I have a question about if a certain minion exists

Would the ||Dead Ends drop a meteion bluebird minion by chance?|| <lvl 90>

[stiff pewter]

Should we expect Loporrit and Matanga Beast Tribes?

[static niche]

nah i'm expecting ||meteion beast tribe and only them||

[charred minnow]

||Dear lord that would be, uhh||

[static niche]

[split forum]

Honestly, who would be beast tribes for this expac?

[worn cairn]

There's a site confirming it tho

[stiff pewter]

That honestly sounds like a Post-Expansion content line... shifting narrative from Hydaelyn-Zodiark to the Broader Universe and Developing Ethyris/Eorzea in a Post-Garlean political climate.

[iron rune]

must be really long queues for dps right?

[hollow ice]

none because trusts exist

[charred minnow]

I didn't know that

[worn cairn]

Yeah, me neither. Just checked after u asked. 😆

I still want to farm ||Hydaelyn EX||

[vital brook]

I sure hope ||Zenos|| stays there

[hollow ice]

||meteion next patch:oh I thought you 2 were friends were you not?||

[amber canopy]

He has to rest up for his savage fight, but he is welcome to come back after, if he calms tf down

[indigo shale]

||in a world where death is just a minor incovinience at this point, he could come, but i imagine the voidesent he made the pact with would claim his soul, or else his resonant would keep him alive and it would devalue the whole ending sequence if they were to bring him back||

[vital brook]

I just think that he is so far far far far ||away that i dont really see him coming back||

[indigo shale]

||if we werent just dead at that time, we could have got his scythe, the coolest looking scythe and we leave it in reach||

[sullen kestrel]

Endwalker story was just amazing, now I have a hole in my heart. I currently just want to play it again and experience the emotional rollercoaster ride

[amber canopy]

Considering all the crazy stuff that happened I am sure Sqenix could explain his return. Though I agree it would devalue his ending. Maybe not if they give his character a new spin, the current path he was on is definitely done

[indigo shale]

if we are to see him again, it wont be him, it would just be his soul reincarnated likely

we'll probably get some echo flashbacks of him though, because there are many questions that SE posed about him and didnt answer yet

[sullen kestrel]

Man now I look back on it, I should had slowly took my time with endwalker instead of finishing the story within 5 days

[amber canopy]

Yeah but if he just gets a new body and keeps running at us screaming "Fight me bitch", that would be lame

[mental hound]

does anyone know if the music shown in the full trailer for old sharlayan is an full track?

[indigo shale]

if he finds a body at the end of the universe id be suprised, as we learn from nabriales, if the soul doesnt go to the rift or a body quick itll just go to the aetherial sea

[violet eagle]

I finished the story soooooo good wish there was a final fantasy book or anime sometimes haha My overarching comment it was a pleasure thank you SE 🙂

[hollow ice]

theres a final fantasy xv anime

[indigo shale]

im still sad they abandoned 15

[hollow sapphire]

Finished MSQ. What an amazing journey, and by far the best expansion in terms of story. The beginning is very slow, a bit too much filler and some unanswered question are my only complaints, other than that it's was simply phenomenal.

[humble heron]

I have complaints about the pacing but it goes way too hard for me to be bogged down in that

[indigo shale]

it has the stormblood problem, so much content and lore but its not worth splitting it along 2 expansion, but that doesnt make it bad

[hushed sandal]

he could ||go dragon mode to travel and wreak havoc across the universe until coming back stronger than ever||

[indigo shale]

||he wouldnt be able to do that again both times him becoming shinryu was exceptional cisrumstance that lead up to it.its not something he can do on a whim||

[narrow garnet]

I think finishing shb and almost immediately starting EW the pacing didn't feel slow to start. At least for me personally

[hollow ice]

spoiler tags man

[indigo shale]

||imagine if urianger had to explain their names to them like he did with living way and such||

[violet eagle]

@narrow garnet I moved to ff14 feb/may last year ? I agree with your comment ☀️

[indigo shale]

all the expansions start off with "filler", after all they have to provide a lot of exposition for the meat

[narrow garnet]

Aye, I started up in August and just been plucking away at msq. Finished post shb a couple days before EW so everything just felt like a nice flow

[violet eagle]

My next goal is to clear some savages my make Astro 90 to raid on find a crew

[narrow garnet]

Krile saying off we go to shayalan and 1 patch day later off we went. Now I have to go unlock pretty much everything outside msq

[violet eagle]

Yea I sorta re did all my key binds etc I’ll sort the rest out Tomo I am too damaged by the story haha gonna sleep plan on waking early as well uu nn peoples

[slender siren]

[quick owl]

Labyrinthos music is awful, I elect that we replace it with this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXHKkXvSNDY

[slender siren]

Sprouts

[indigo shale]

now are they actual players or bots

[slender siren]

Players

[native delta]

||Did the Scions ever consider walking out of the tornado??? I mean if Urianger can walk in…||

[humble heron]

||them getting slurped up allows them to use their dynamis to clear the way forward||

[native delta]

||I KNOW BUT HAVE THEY CONSIDERED NOT LEAVING THEIR WOL BEHIND?? WE COULDVE FOUND ANOTHER WAY GDI||

[humble heron]

||ok how else would ishikawa make you feel sad||

[slate ridge]

I feel like ||the worlds meteion described are other ff games||

And the voice who says “you’ve been through enough” at the launch I think is ||meteion, and I think she’s the creation magic that went nuts||

[vital brook]

how do i get my iLVL to 560 if this ring is unique untradable?

[humble heron]

@vital brook tomestone gear dummy

[vital brook]

OH SHIT i completely forgot

[quick owl]

So I was about to complain about the fact that not much seems to be made of the male Viera we meet in the game, who is apparently little more than a background NPC...

[slate ridge]

Oh god, I’m getting ||persona 3 vibes because of the theme of will to live starting from the end of the fourth dungeon||

[quick owl]

But then a quick Google search showed me that he has a voice actor...

[humble heron]

Dont leave us in suspense

[hollow ice]

door kun

[slate ridge]

Kimi no kioku intensifies

And yes I’m at the point where ||you learn how the final days started and what triggered it||

[stiff pewter]

He'd just give up....

[slate ridge]

And why ||fandaniel is obsessed with destroying everything||

[civic furnace]

Hello I have an important question about the 89 trial. ||can I exit to change my glam and go back down there to choose trusts etc||

[sudden spruce]

I was about to lose my mind when ||matsuya and baby where about to get offd, literal praying for estinien to drop down bc at that point hes the only one available to help, lo an behold they came|| 🙏

[next quarry]

||you can queue for it through the trust menu iirc||

[slate ridge]

||the creation magic that went awry is meteion who saw the dying stars and come to the conclusion that everything must be destroyed and so she started the noise||

[civic furnace]

Got it, but like no way back to the ||°athereal sea||

[next quarry]

Hm not sure

||check labyrinthos||

[vale cedar]

Can i clear doma castle if i unsynch it as reaper?

[civic furnace]

||I'm scared to teleport away 😹 || but my glam is so ugly rn LMAO

[unreal delta]

||Zenos...having...intellectually stimulating dialogue? can this be?||

[indigo shale]

||i love how he essentially calls out the playerbase about liking villains based on the motivation as though that effects the outcome||

[unreal delta]

||LITERALLY||

||I will admit, villains who a morally grey and have their reasonings are FUN to speculate and talk about...but in the end they are all the same, committing atrocities for what they please.||

||do the ends justify the means||

||like that is LEGITIMATELY an amazing point when zenos said "Had I a good reason, would you be pleased with the outcome?" that fucking hit me like a truck||

[slate ridge]

So ||is meteion considered the true antagonist or something? She’s the one who’s the catalyst for the final days||

[indigo shale]

||ehhh, its weird, how far are you before i say anything?||

[unreal delta]

||IMHO I would say yes||

[slate ridge]

Just finished fourth dungeon

[fluid basalt]

more like ||despair itself is the true villain||

[indigo shale]

||id say the true antagonist is a flawed question, metion is just the way that question was conveyed||

[slate ridge]

Now I’m getting more persona 3 vibes. death incarnate is the final boss of the main story and despair of humanity is the one for the answer, the after story

[unreal delta]

||2 questions were asked that sparked this entire story... "why do we live?" and "Should we live?"||

[indigo shale]

||just to think, this is started because hermes was a sad boi, who didnt take life for granted like everyone else in the ancient etheriys||

[unreal delta]

||To be fair it wasn't even life||

||Aetheric beings have no soul. Literal aether computers||

||Buuut then you get into the whole "Blah blah blah, what actually constitutes life" arguement||

[indigo shale]

its a whole series of unfortunate events

[unreal delta]

and inevitable ones at that

[abstract harbor]

is there a website where you can see how the ||Hydaelyn EX|| weapons look? the wiki hasn't been updated yet it seems

[humble heron]

@unreal delta are you ||at the last quest?||

[unreal delta]

Nah, I just saw ||The CS with zenos i talked about earlier||

[hollow ice]

you can just try them on yourself ||at the vendor in raz at han||

[humble heron]

Aight cool glad i made sure

[unreal delta]

[humble heron]

Did not want to spoil u

[gaunt star]

I played GoW3’s zeus theme in the final boss fight because i prefer it over the actual theme

[humble heron]

But its ||a mashup of all the other final boss themes smh||

[tulip geyser]

||Yeah and people are acting like "Oh those evil Ancients" but its hardly any worse than what we do with critters today in game and irl. He would have condemned modern Eorzea and the lot just as quickly being that they treat animals AND people in ways he doesnt like; the flaw is in his thinking and him figuring it cannot be fixed so everyone needs to be subjected to this nonsense ||

[gaunt star]

Except Nidhoggr and tsukuyomi, my favorite themes

Unless I couldn’t hear those in the fight itself idk

[unreal delta]

||YOU STEPPED ON AN ANT, YOU MONSTER, THE ENTIRE WORLD DESERVES APOCALYPSE BECAUSE YOU DONT RESPECT LIFE||

[humble heron]

Just the .0 fights

[gaunt star]

Exactly

[slate ridge]

ok im gonna probably play "kimi no kioku" at the final boss

persona 3 pretty much ask that same question, ||"what does it means to live, to exist"|| or something

[hollow sapphire]

btw, those who already finished EW, how would you rate the trials? For me it's ||Endsinger || > ||Zodiark || > ||Hydaelyn ||

[abstract harbor]

thank you

[gaunt star]

I couldn’t hear thordan’s theme tho

[hushed hill]

Does doing the expert roullette give you 160 or just the 80 from the roulette for the aphorism tokens?

[humble heron]

It should stack, iirc

[gaunt star]

||Hydaelyn fight was…. Fine?
Zodiark was wayyy too early
Endsinger was good only because it’s the only fight other than elidibus where i get to use tank lb||

[humble heron]

Tag spoilers

[fluid basalt]

spoilers

[gaunt star]

Shit sorry

[slate ridge]

how come ||vrtra speaks normally but hraesvelgr, niddhogg and tiamet(?) speak in their dravinian language? is it because vrtra spends a lot of time with humans but the others do not?||

[indigo shale]

||zodiark was the best, then endsinger and then hydaelyn, imo||

[unreal delta]

||Jullus best boy||

[fluid basalt]

||Hydaelyn best for me, because it's the only one with full Trusts.||

[gaunt star]

||Because Vrtra is basically not engaged in dragonstuff||

[humble heron]

||that makes sense to me, vrtra has to know human language anyway because he speaks through varshan||

[slate ridge]

so tiamet is too guilty to participate in the dragonsong war (because minor enthrallment of bahamut), hraesvelgar is sympathetic but doesn't actively get involve because shiva, and ||vrtra can't bring himself to hurt both humans and dragons||

is that why ||he doesnt want to get involved?||

[indigo shale]

||and no one knows what azdaja is doing||

[humble heron]

I mean tiamat was locked up for the entire dragonsong war

[slate ridge]

crap ||i thought it was the genshin one||

[unreal delta]

||Basically. He saw man with nuance, that he knew not all of them were responsible or terrible for what had happened, and when he looked to the people he was going to get "revenge" on. He could only see his own people||

[hushed hill]

So what's the quickest way to get BiS, just doing dungeons to get aphorism then trials when you're 560 for weapons and acc? I thought expert stuff was usually in regular duty but I unlocked both trials in high-end?

[indigo shale]

||vrtra mentions azdaja stayed silent, so wonder what hes doing maybe thats for a future patch||

[humble heron]

Ex trials when current go in the high end duty slot

[hushed hill]

Ah I see, thanks! Havent really played any super current content before haaha

[slate ridge]

in ffx, anima is female, but in ffxiv, ||is anima male because it was created from varis' dead body?||

[humble heron]

Probably

[unreal delta]

every time graha does the thing with his ears i cannot help but instantly be overcome with joy

[gritty widget]

Hey

Did someone had to re enter the activation code to get Endwalker back ?

[unreal delta]

YEAH THAT

[jade relic]

yes, you have to input the code in the mog station

[unreal delta]

I LOVE THAT ITS SO CUTE I LOVE HIM SO MUCH

[gritty widget]

But why ? 😮

Tbh it scared me asf x'D

[slate ridge]

the ear wiggle?

[jade relic]

because early access and the rest of the game were separated for some reason i dont quite understand

[slate ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/ffxiv-graha-ffxiv-wiggle-ffxiv-ear-wiggle-ear-wiggle-graha-tia-gif-23952079

[gritty widget]

Hmmmm ok ok ...

[unreal delta]

YESYESYESYES

[slate ridge]

do we have to enter the code to the mogstation or no if we have early access?

[jade relic]

yes

[gritty widget]

Well

[tulip geyser]

Yeah I did get another activation thing earlier though I entered mine yesterday and got my CE stuff. Is this like a cautionary second email out in case your first got caught by the spam filter?

[gritty widget]

I put it on the launcherIt's good too right ?

[indigo shale]

itll ask you when you log into the game itself

[jade relic]

as far as im aware you will have gotten 2 codes, one for EA one for full expansion

[unreal delta]

||God I hate the lopporits so much||

[fluid basalt]

just another step to make us re-queue

[unreal delta]

||Their voices make me want to rip out my hair||

||Theyre too comedic for THE LITERAL END OF THE FUCKING WORLD||

[slate ridge]

so is fandaniel ||a result of hermes scarred by what meteion discovered and the nihilistic belief afterwards mixed with asahi's desire for vengeance against yotsuyu?||

[late aurora]

No, ||asahi has 0 input||

[unreal delta]

||have you done the first trial?||

[warm glen]

Rises on a mem'ry borne from the ashes
With the heavens
True sunset, blood-red skies tranquil after the storm
Blеssed shadow

Amazing!!

[granite nimbus]

I've reached the final zone and ||god it's fucking creepy. Everything about is tailor-made to be unsettling without even bothering to use things like jump scares or sharp chords.||

[lyric crater]

i think they did considering they named a late msq person ?

[unreal delta]

ah yes

[late aurora]

Well they clearly haven’t done the 89 dungeon

[lyric crater]

but they did do the first trial

[quick owl]

So I'm guessing no explanation is given for why Viera men are suddenly out of their self-exile?

[stiff charm]

some of them wanted to leave their villages?

[lyric crater]

theres never reason for any new thing not appearing before

[late aurora]

The world is ending bruh

[stiff charm]

same deal as fem viera, the ones that leave just dont want to live there anymore. pretty simple explanation

[quick owl]

Viera are a different story. For Miqo'te men it's like "oh they aren't a terribly common site outside of villages."

[unreal delta]

||so. Fandaniel is Amon. Asahi is dead, fandaniel is just using asahi's body. Amon wanted everything to die because of Xande's Philosophy, that all should return to whence it came. He was made Ascian and became The Seat of Fandaniel. and merely used his power as Ascian to further Xande's philosophy||

[quick owl]

For Viera men you are literally told, "You will never see a Viera male."

[stiff charm]

fem viera are just as rare. they literally stay in the villages until the men come back

[granite nimbus]

A real question is "Why do all Viera inexplicably have Scandinavian accents?"

[stiff charm]

not normally because they are hiding in trees and out hunting when they live with their villages
but, get this, a lot of them get sick of that life and leave

[quick owl]

Because their names are Scandinavian-inspired? <_<

[late aurora]

Also again the world is ending, so like they can help

[stiff charm]

because ff12

[slate ridge]

i didnt understand ||the amon part because its related to the crystal tower, and its a long time since i looked at that||

[slate ridge]

oh ok my mistake. sorry

[jade relic]

|| the Amon in the crystal tower is a clone ||

[unreal delta]

||The Amon we see in the CT raids is a clone. :P||

[late aurora]

They explain it again tho

[quick owl]

Well that's never been implied to be the case before. Like if they established something like that previously that'd be one thing, but they drew a pretty clear line in the sand back during the Ivalice questline and they are very clearly backtracking on it now.

[mint sail]

same reason why Ala Mhigans sound like they're from Yorkshire or something

[stiff charm]

do you think because a society is usually structured in one way that means everyone born into it will always act that way and never reject it?

[quick owl]

Also, if you're going to use the world ending as an excuse for them coming out of the woodwork then where the fuck were all the Viis men in Novrandt?

[stiff charm]

not in the game

[slate ridge]

so ||amon wants to die because xande says that life is meaningless and should return to oblivion, and i think now thats the same belief hermes has because of the report meteion and her sisters conclude||

[jade relic]

i dont think you can take whats happening on another shard to an entirely different people and extrapolate that to the source

[quick owl]

I'm glad bunny bois are in game too now, but this was very clearly poorly thought out and was done for little reason other than fanservice.

[unreal delta]

so were fem viera tbh

[late aurora]

And hroth

[tulip geyser]

Well this happens in literally any MMO that gets a new race

Suddenly areas after will have that new race and where were they before????

[lyric crater]

why does there need to be a logic behind something not appearing ? and before you ask, there is one, just not very explicitly stated in the game.

i quote, "Male viera return to the village to collect the male children who reach puberty to teach them the ways of the hunt. Males live alone, serving as solo defenders of the forest from intruders and evil, and only communicate with the females when needing to mate, trade or collect the male adolescents."

[quick owl]

I don't really recall anyone asking for Hrothgar.

[unreal delta]

Fem viera are supposed to be just as rare as male viera. and technically the most populous race is supposed to be like. Elezen and Hyur?

[quick owl]

Most people were surprised that we were seeing furries rather than bunny bois at that Fanfest.

[late aurora]

Hey where were these guys? Oh just over there in a area I didn’t visit? Ok

[jade relic]

they went the iron man 2 route. "im here now, lets just deal with it"

[late aurora]

Didn’t FF11 have ronso

[quick owl]

And look I'm not trying to be an asshole here, but I kind of feel like a huge chunk of this server is convinced that this game is completely incapable of lazy writing.

There's no such thing as a flawless work of fiction.

[unreal delta]

well. racial lore isnt exactly a focal point of the story so its not a surprise

[marsh osprey]

The male bun in sage quest actually mentions this

How he should do his tribes duty as a male or something

[late aurora]

Explain Buns going through ARR, trick question you can’t

[unreal delta]

also what do you want them to do? Limit the player count of viera to match the actual lore accurate population of viera?

[quick owl]

I just mean in general. Every time I notice an instance of lazy writing in this game there's usually a large group of people ready to jump to its defense.

[marsh osprey]

Both male and female buns are free to go anywhere

[gusty tartan]

its lazy writing but im willing to handwave it for character customization diversity

[quick owl]

You can like something and acknowledge that it's flawed you know. I like the MCU, but at the same time I agree with about 70% of the criticisms I hear people levy towards it.

[late aurora]

Fantasias aren’t real

[gusty tartan]

now if they make a viera based story then its weird af

[real venture]

|| Man I was not ready for this "You're Not Alone" Quest ||

[marsh osprey]

Theres mainly just viera side characters at best besides lyns or whats shes called in shadowbringers

[quick owl]

I like to think that they are real to an extent. Transmogrification doesn't seem like its out of the realm of possibility within this world.

[maiden swallow]

Its not as weird as the lack of au ra in arr

[unreal delta]

Both fem and male viera are simply people who rejected their strict, tribal way of living

[inner ice]

is it just me or does the game not warn you enough about long ass important story cutscenes in this expansion

[jade relic]

you can like something and not care if its flawed, I legit dont care whether male vieras are explained or not because that doesnt affect the story nor my enjoyment of it

[quick owl]

But changing your race and sex every other week... yeah, kinda stretching it a bit there.

[marsh osprey]

Thats up to the people and their empty wallets after

[maiden swallow]

Unlike the viera there is even less story justification for them not being around since the start

[fluid basalt]

we are a body hopping ascian after all. changing bodies every other week is only a fantasia away

[charred minnow]

I think a world where you can trans your gender whenever is a good world

[gusty tartan]

its best not to get game mechs consistent with lore. Sometimes it gets super jank and you'll eventually just be like "why?"

[charred minnow]

Yeahhh

[quick owl]

Well it would be your gender and sex in this case.

[marsh osprey]

We have hundreds of ffxv cars driving around, imagine having lore

[tulip geyser]

Theres plenty I dont care for in this writing so no need for the broad brush, there.
At some point though you do have to kind of roll with the fact that its an MMO and player things dont necessarily dictate how the world actually is. Like there also should be way less mMiqos but that wasnt the case for a loong time

[late aurora]

“Where did you get Odin’s horse from?” The money store

[marsh osprey]

Cashshop

[hollow ice]

Rowena

[vital brook]

I wanna know how did the ||final fistfight|| looked like on a Lalafell's PoV

[jade relic]

id honestly be astounded if there was a constantly updated game that had completely airtight racial lore and internal logic, especially as new races are added as time went on

[quick owl]

True, though I don't exactly count the player population as a sample size of the actual population. Adventurers are extraordinary individuals after all.

[gusty tartan]

from peoples account. Very silly

[late aurora]

Beautiful

[marsh osprey]

Hopefully they dont continue with the cc mount way after the massive backslash

[charred minnow]

Rowena is the most realistic part of the game

[late aurora]

What massive backlash? People still bought it

[marsh osprey]

Rowena invented capitalism in eorzea

[tulip geyser]

Can I say Im highly amused by the slow infection of "-way" names in this server

[vital brook]

massive backlash, yet so many people bought it

[marsh osprey]

Commnity hated on cc mount everywhere

[vital brook]

Maybe...but they still bought it

[marsh osprey]

Yeah everyone stull buying it is really sad

[hollow ice]

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THtEDfILHT4||major spoilers

[late aurora]

Wasn’t it in the top 5 purchased things for a bit

[humble heron]

If they didn't put out an official statement regarding said backlash, the backlash wasn't big enough

[vital brook]

||Zenos vs a toddler ||

[marsh osprey]

There was no official statement for the carriage moont either

[gusty tartan]

||so damn immersed in garlemald that im feeling the cold irl||

[late aurora]

It’s still in 3rd

[vital brook]

Bro that looks so damn silly...

[marsh osprey]

Cc is such a cool mount that people buy it

[vital brook]

From a corporate perspective, this was a success

[marsh osprey]

Why is it in the cashshop though and costs as much as endwalker

[gusty tartan]

just get cc's less cooler brother. Gabriel Mark III

[vital brook]

Nah, Endwalker is 10 bucks more

[late aurora]

Lunar Whale lol

[humble heron]

Actually maybe its forward and backlash

[marsh osprey]

Cant wait for raidboss mounts in cashshop and we get some random shit from savage bosses

[indigo shale]

everything in the mogstation is overpriced, nothing there seems worth it

[vital brook]

i bought the butler outfit kek

[gusty tartan]

the only reason i buy mogstation items is because theres a damn lack of Eastern dresses in the game

[late aurora]

And in 14th place, it’s the 8 seater that costs 42 bucks

[tulip geyser]

Spiffy

[slate ridge]

i wonder what ciderspider would say on that (he's the mad because small lalafell guy)

[charred minnow]

Mad because queue

[indigo shale]

but it made sense for CC to be there, no where it could have went

[stiff charm]

i wanna buy the maid

[indigo shale]

unless they replace the shit A12S mount that isnt worth even doing unsynced

[jade relic]

Mad because ||Metal Gear Solid 4||

[late aurora]

Better there than Feast

[gusty tartan]

||wheres the kissing scene then?||

[gaunt star]

Yooo same here

[stiff charm]

you missed it?

[jade relic]

not on my screen sadly

[charred minnow]

When did CC get added? I'm a newer player

[late aurora]

People were legit worried that it was a feast mount

[gusty tartan]

D: damn so i did miss out on it

[lusty herald]

People were asking for a playable version of Lupin mostly and various other beast like races from FF games. "Beast races" as a whole were highly asked for. For w/e reason the 14 teams decided on making Bara-Cats that are wide af men. Now that they're gonna make females people are gonna cry sexism at the sexual dimorphism they're clearly gonna gun for so that people actually play them.
Hrothgar are ok to me but I really wish they had just made Wolf dudes with normal bods.

[indigo shale]

why couldnt we get the alexander we fight in A12S why just a fucking add that dies in 5 seconds

[quick owl]

Uh... Pretty sure they're just gonna model them off of fem Roes, same as males.

[late aurora]

Said add almost kills us with time BS

[quick owl]

And ain't no one calling fem Roes sexist.

[tulip geyser]

Those lion women better be huge.
I dont even play that race but I feel femra were robbed of being beautiful dangerous looking demon ladies

[vital brook]

i got it, from the times my chara was fem au ra

[slate ridge]

now i have another question. what if ||you're a monk and you're doing the fist fight. you already are using your fist||

[lusty herald]

Why would they model them off the least liked thing in this game? They showing us what they're gonna look like. Prep for Mithra/ Viera

[gusty tartan]

||its different because now you dont have your knuckles. ||

[jade relic]

makes more sense than my mch dropping her gun for it

[viscid monolith]

|| You punch Zenos extra hard ||

[quick owl]

Because it's far easier to do that than create an entirely new character skeleton.

[jade relic]

|| although dropping her gun for it was very satisfying ||

[quick owl]

Also, show the full mural, Queen Gunhildr is the exact same size and build as those fem Hrothgar.

[lusty herald]

Femroe are the same as every other non-lala female, just more manly looking.

no benefit to using them over any other female

[tulip geyser]

||When you're so into it and exhausted that you forget all technique and go for the slugout lol ||

[quick owl]

Have you ever fooled around with Textools? Roe and Hrothgar share character models. It saves time.

[deft burrow]

They are just going to use the Viera skeleton I don't know why there is so much fuss about this topic

[lusty herald]

MALE Roe are unique, not Femroe. Femroe are just tall middies. Here's their version of a better look Femroe, good indication of what they will go for imo

[indigo shale]

this is also why they said they arent doing more races after fem hroth, people just complain to much, complaining in the first place is why viera were added for no reason and then people complained about that when they were added

[quick owl]

Yeah, I'm saying that female Hrothgar will be similar in size and build to Roe women. And it'd be weird if they weren't. Fem Roes may be big, but they are just BARELY big enough for it to be believable for the average member of their race to be capable of breeding with the average male Roe.

[deft burrow]

It has nothing to do with complaining. It has to do with the development time and making sure their spaghetti code works with a new model.

[lusty herald]

The only good thing about Viera is that they're a popular tall female. Legit makes it 2x more likely you see a tall female in this game ... more popular than the other 3 combined

[jade relic]

adding new races and making sure that everything works correctly once you do is a pretty big undertaking as well. I can see why they wouldnt want to do it anymore

[quick owl]

So making female Hrothgar the size of a Midlander or even an Auri female would make very little sense.

[indigo shale]

iirc only one race was to be added in ShB, and that was hrothgar, but due to complaints they split the race, and added viera as a compromise, meaning both were incomplete

[deft burrow]

How is this an argument when male and female au ra exist

[quick owl]

The issue there is only height.

[deft burrow]

Hm

[quick owl]

The issue with Roe and Hrothgar is height and bulk... lots and LOTS of bulk.

[late aurora]

And?

[jade relic]

every outfit in the game has to be modified to fit the new models

[lusty herald]

SE doesn't care about that, look at draggos.
And Femroe's "Build" is legit just "tall human female that looks manly". They made Hroths look more attractive than Roe for a reason, any attempt to make a more attractive Femroe will look like Viera or Highlander as all them got the same basic shape.

[deft burrow]

I mean it's the same principle, big size difference between genders exist in the game already it's not a big deal

[inner ice]

so the artifact gear for AST is || urianger's outfit right ||, im not high

[late aurora]

Large bunny girl, smol bun boy

[deft burrow]

Still butthurt about male Viera being so small when their lore pictures them as the complete opposite but I'll just brood in my corner

[quick owl]

Highlanders, Viera, and Roegadyn females aren't that far off height-wise. But anything shorter than a Highlander will be stretching things.

[minor wren]

||Yes.||

||Thancred is also the same way.||

[lusty herald]

I'm not really talking about tall vs short, we KNOW they will be tall-but-shorter than Femroe. I'm talking about body shape. Femroe are gonna be the biggest and buffest females in the game, Hrothgals are not gonna be swoll.

[real venture]

|| Must be nice, ain't no one a bard on this team LOL ||

[deft burrow]

I don't see how this is a problem

[real venture]

Bruh, 30 minutes for the last dung?

[deft burrow]

Just do it with trust

[gaunt star]

level 85 msq: ||subtitle for the game should just be "Depression Kills"||

[deft burrow]

It's more immersive anyway

[real venture]

I've never touched trusts, seems like a bad time to start

[gaunt star]

trusts are really fun, they're pretty functional, and also the extra dialogue from your party reacting to the dungeon is great

[humble heron]

Ive seen the trusts be good this expac

[quick owl]

The Roe in the pic is barely an inch taller. Also, missed opportunity if not swole. We already have cutesy catgirls in this game.

[deft burrow]

They are much better in this expac

[gaunt star]

even in shadowbringers they werent that bad, i used them for every dungeon run in the msq

[deft burrow]

They won't be swole

[unreal delta]

okay this is actually kinda funny

[humble heron]

Also totally something we would do

[slate ridge]

oh dear, it seems ||people's prediction that the scions will die is coming true||

||in fact, it probably has. i really need to catch up though...it's so long...||

[humble heron]

||keep going until the end||

[lusty herald]

That femroe is about 3ins taller. We "already have" 2 muscled females that no one wants to play. No way SE would want to make a 3rd given how handedly this fanbase rejects odd women. I don't see the point in even asking for it myself, wanna play a buff woman then join the 10 femroe out there. Lots of people would love to play a furry that isn't built like a brick house like the dudes
I predict they're gonna be upscaled Draggo girl bods or something between Viera and Draggo girl body shape (aka, the Queen)

[unreal delta]

boring

buff girls or bust

[quick owl]

May be your experience, but it's not mine. She-Hulk has been a very popular character for years for good reason.

And I mean the sexy-buff She-Hulk, which they recently just brought back.

[lusty herald]

Having like 3 people willing to play a race isn't gonna be much fun for anyone.

[unreal delta]

buff girls. or bust.

[late aurora]

Yeah you underestimate how horny people are for muscle girls

[quick owl]

Not the freakish roid rage savage She-Hulk.

Who was actually the size of a Roe male. ~.~

[jade relic]

im gonna assume that Square has a lot better insight into the demographics of their playerbase and will have a better idea of how many people will actually want to play such a race

than some guy on discord, no offence

[late aurora]

The power of awooga is unnatural to some

[quick owl]

Also, I think Fem roe are actually more popular than Hrothgar in terms of total players.

[errant perch]

I got a feeling that hrothgar females would be a very small minority

[lusty herald]

I've played MMOs and we see the numbers even in this game. Buff women aint popular, making a buff women with a beast face is asking for a fraction of Femroe's population. Some people like em, someone likes anything

[late aurora]

Pfft

[errant perch]

this is a bit old but its from 2020

[jade relic]

catgirl supremacy. i feel this is accurate.

[lusty herald]

This is more recent

[indigo shale]

female miqote be in another dimension with how far through the charts it s

[errant perch]

got a link to that one?

[unreal delta]

seekers of the sun female being so popular is a disgrace

[vital brook]

SCH AF gear making me wanna try it

[tardy hare]

So THAT'S the reason I've seen like 2 other female duskwights in groups i've been in

[quick owl]

Also, just one final note on the debate of big women...

Lady Dimitrescu broke the internet, every other random sexy thot in every other game this year did not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHMkS-rMkZ4

Aaand this is why I tend to like short male characters in fiction, and why Tyrion Lannister is alpha as fuck.

[errant perch]

my view is that female hroth are going to be even more of a minority than female roe and honestly arent worth the dev time

[indigo shale]

speaking of i cant belive in the game awards Giancarlo didnt win best performance , like out of the nominees hes the only one who was good

[unreal delta]

femboys are peak masculinity

[errant perch]

why graha is best boi

[unreal delta]

graha is my fucking husband

[late aurora]

Well if people kept asking for em...

[quick owl]

We're talking about Tyrion Lannister, not Loras Tyrell.

[unreal delta]

nah you heard me

[indigo shale]

they should replace lalafell with lopporits that will be better for everyone

[errant perch]

you ever heard of nonresponse bias?

[unreal delta]

fuck no. loporrits can die

[lusty herald]

It's the lucky stuff
https://luckybancho.ldblog.jp/wsurvey.htm?world=Global

[errant perch]

they should just replace lalafell characters with a diceroll of literally any other race

[quick owl]

Some guy was working on a mod that gave Lalafell more dwarf-like proportions. Honestly wish the devs had just done that from the beginning.

[errant perch]

god I wish they were just dwarves

[late aurora]

They are

[errant perch]

no they are not lmao. they are pretty much just small angry people that are round

[unreal delta]

the correct answer: remove every other race and make them lalafell

[quick owl]

I came up with the perfect solution awhile back for how you could make Lalafell less childlike while still keeping them cute.

Give them the proportions of Zidane and Garnet's character models in FFIX.

[indigo shale]

ive watched jesse cox play through the game as a lala, and every scene loses its impact due to it

[lusty herald]

Exactly why I get why they're framing Hrothgals as mithra-x-viera. Makes more sense to make something that's a updated, more furry Miqote over trying to appeal to the femroe fanbase.

[errant perch]

the easiest thing is just to make them more dwarf like

[quick owl]

Zidane and Garnet are cute, but they aren't really childlike. And yeah I know their model designs put some people off, but nowhere near as many as Lalafell do!

[unreal delta]

....................
if we do that theyre just gonna get called literal L words

[late aurora]

Look at this photograph

[quick owl]

Lesbians?

[tardy hare]

that scene in stormblood where asahi leans in close to threaten you immediately becomes comedic when he has to STOOP down an ungodly amount to do it

[unreal delta]

no the one thats banned and shouldnt really be talked about

[quick owl]

Uh...

Honestly dunno what you're talking about.

[unreal delta]

I cant say it. its a banned word

[late aurora]

Dwarfs aren’t lalas you said?

[quick owl]

But feel free to DM it to me.

[lusty herald]

Wonder if Viera will get that hair now that they Kinda made the 2B one work ..

[quick owl]

There a list of banned words in announcements at all?

[unreal delta]

accept request pls

[quick owl]

Only time I know of they announced a word being bannable was when a certain internet celeb confessed to something pretty fucked up awhile back.

[inner ice]

did cid's voice actor change

i swear he does not sound the same as he did in omega

[indigo shale]

same i think, keep in mind its been like 4 years since he last voiced cid

[sudden spruce]

So uh, the ||elidibus projection we meet again in ct, is no longer tempered? ||

[errant perch]

one of my worst pet peeves about this game is when people claim that lalafells arent completely childlike

[late aurora]

Yeah, ||he’s a ghost||. well more of one

[indigo shale]

||no, his soul was cleansed in the aetherial sea so no longer tempered||

[sudden spruce]

Okok thank you for the clarification

[lusty herald]

When is DC tranfer going through? In 6.1 with the Hrothgar hair stuff?

[unreal delta]

i believe so

[lusty herald]

Cool, get to finally see my college friends T_T

[quick owl]

In the way they act, they aren't at all, which is refreshing because this was not the case in FFXI with Tarutaru.

Not with a lot of them anyway.

[errant perch]

id still say tarutaru is acts pretty childlike

[quick owl]

Yeah that's what I meant. Sorry, I worded that weirdly.

Lalafell characters act adult. And even though some of the player character voices sound childlike, the Lalafell NPC's are voiced in a matter that makes them sound mature. In the English version anyway, I know Papalymo sounds like a shonen anime protagonist in the Japanese version.

[jade relic]

you should hear some of the japanese VA for lalafell, the deepest voices I have ever heard

[mint sail]

Tataru sounds kiddylike, but Krile sounds adultlike

[jade relic]

lolorito as well is very adult

[mint sail]

There's some of the distinction already

[quick owl]

The original English Tataru did, the current one sounds pretty mature, like a woman in her mid-twenties.

Which is funny because I think Tataru is actually supposed to be older than Krile.

[errant perch]

ehhh. maybe they sound a bit older from arr but the mannerisms still are very childlike

[quick owl]

In fairness, she does mature a lot after A Realm Reborn.

[mint sail]

I would think early twenties

[quick owl]

She's a bit immature in A Realm Reborn.

[errant perch]

but they really should have just made them look like dwarves

[late aurora]

They’re the same

[errant perch]

my eyes may not be the best you cannot say that lalafells and dwarves look the same

[real venture]

man, new sage healers have been rough... I don't feel like I have died this much in dungeons ever

[late aurora]

Maybe you want them to be Vivis then

[slate ridge]

Is ||meteion where we get the recurring phrase ‘hear, feel, think’ from hydaelyn?||

[jade relic]

its a japanese game, im guessing the lala design is mainly for that market. dwarves wouldnt make sense there imo because i dont think there is anything like that in their folktales like we have

[quick owl]

Well when people think dwarves they think hairy and ugly.

[errant perch]

^ stout and burly who toil in the mines

[quick owl]

But I think you can make a short race without going that route and without going the childlike route either.

[jade relic]

again, its a japanese game, and they love cute things

[fluid basalt]

dwarves aren't ugly. you take that back

[quick owl]

Or even without just making them look like Hobbits from the Jackson movies, which would be boring.

[tulip geyser]

People were literally warning "Hey man, if youve never healed before maaaaybe you should practice before the xpac comes out."
And there wasnt a lot of listening, it seems.
It'll even out.

[sudden spruce]

Damn ||elpis shows you a dog and axolotls first ans foremost|| truly a perfect world

[errant perch]

I know the the japanese love their moe stuff. But i am not from japan and my opinion is that they should be dwarves

[quick owl]

Yeah but as I said, the cast of FFIX is cute, but not necessarily child-like.

[late aurora]

Childlike? Constantly drinking Alcohol? Okay

[quick owl]

We mean in terms of character design.

[real venture]

yeah, then people complain "oh you died 3 times" and I have to explain I don't magically regen... if the group AOE kills me... its probably missing some healing

[errant perch]

and in many countries its normal for children to have alcohol

[quick owl]

Look at these two, I could see an entire smol race being based off them.
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71Hx4wcgShL._AC_SX425_.jpg

They'd be cute, they wouldn't be overtly childlike, and everyone would love 'em.

[jade relic]

I dont understand the argument against lalas

[hushed lodge]

Same

[late aurora]

Garnet’s a teen and zidane is uhh

[errant perch]

the argument is that they look like children

[fierce wing]

im so glad they put the gnashing claw combo for GNB into a single button so i can save space on my hotbar

[jade relic]

so what?

[quick owl]

Well okay... Not everyone, but less people would have an issue with them.

[quick owl]

Her adult mother was in the opening CG and didn't really look much different.

[hushed lodge]

I thought they are more or less viewed as either simply cute or demonic hellspawns. That's really bout it

[jade relic]

the people who play lalas love them, i dont see an issue

[tulip geyser]

Every time I get pet before a duty my efficiency goes up

[gusty tartan]

what if you dont get pet?

[quick owl]

I want my Lala to be buff and manly >:O

[jade relic]

lala size gym equipment when

[late aurora]

What a mom looks like her daughter, that’s crazy

[quick owl]

Lala size? THAT'S FOR PUSSIES!

[jade relic]

although thats a fair point, some more body customization would be nice

[quick owl]

Gimme Roe-sized weights!

[tulip geyser]

Is joke lol
But my thing is that Im either tiny or huge in mmos if possible. So it was lala or roe lady at the time.
So I flipped the coin and landed on lala.

[quick owl]

Point is that her mom was an adult and looked virtually the same.

In terms of proportions.

Which is what the subject was about, so dunno what you're on about.

[inner ice]

fuck this is incredible

[late aurora]

I don’t know what you’re seeing in that cinematic, seeing how it’s at night and they’re covered in hoods

[real venture]

|| Zenos, the biggest hype man ||

[late aurora]

But the mom is visibly taller

[quick owl]

Well going by what I can see, the proportions of other characters in the game, and the shape of her in-game character model later in the game during a flashback when her nearly-lifeless body is washed up on the beach, I doubt she looks like Marylin Monroe under there. Also, Garnet is 17 or 18 by the end of the game, she's not going to suddenly grow 5 inches and go up three cup-sizes by the time she's 20. <_<

[tulip geyser]

Not you, excuse me

[real venture]

But very funny none the less

[marsh osprey]

Who the fuck is thinking lalas arent ok

[gaunt star]

Just finished the first trial man what a awesome fight

[slate ridge]

It looks like ||the second trial is the first trial to have trust||

[gusty tartan]

you're in for a treat then it gets better

[marsh osprey]

Every other game has gnomes or dwarves but cute gnomes are suddenly an issue

[gusty tartan]

its been a recent trend where people sorta diss on cute smol races because of "implications"

[hushed lodge]

I mean I am sure there's weird corners of the game that does think weird stuff about lalas but I doubt its the norm

[marsh osprey]

Many think of them as adorable pieces of shit, i like it this way

Thank you lolorito for your patronage

[warm glen]

What does give to farm shared fates rank auf max? And why ppl do that? I always farmed r2 only, for getting better riding speed

[gusty tartan]

a mount? i think

[warm glen]

It's an argument, what rank was it again?

[marsh osprey]

Theres a housing items locked behind ranks

[quick owl]

Kay, I don't want to repeat this for the 18th time so I'll summarize it as quickly as possible: You can make a small race that looks cute without making it look childlike in appearance. The dev team, in my opinion, went too childlike with its proportions and the designs of some of its face types.

[marsh osprey]

[late aurora]

But they aren’t kids, don’t act like kids, what’s the problem

[quick owl]

If they had kept their current heights but went with proportions and facial designs like this, people would have been less put off by it.
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71Hx4wcgShL._AC_SX425_.jpg

[quick owl]

Because you have idiots saying, "But muh child coding!"

[late aurora]

And? You just said they’re idiots, ignore em

[quick owl]

I had someone once claim that anyone trying to say that Lalafell were adults was making a Thermian defense for child predators. He didn't use that word, he used the other word but I think the bots would delete my post should I have used it so I'm using that phrase instead.

But when you bring that word out, there's issues.

[gusty tartan]

what i think is the problm is that people cant disassociate between reality and video games which is why this is an issue in the first place. thats a whole other bag of worms tho

[quick owl]

And streamers like Asmongold's opinions on them speak for a large portion of the player base. So yeah, I think their design could have been thought out a bit differently.

[marsh osprey]

Anyway you better stop or a mod will hand out some long mutes or bans

[quick owl]

That and I just really love FFIX, but that's just me.

[lusty herald]

I always liked the idea personally. Would be cool if they were actually monkey people (as in, more than just a tail and small body).
Would prefer the loporrit as a 2nd small race as they're furry, though.

[quick owl]

Is that official art?

[lusty herald]

yup, I think so

[quick owl]

Looks different from the other art...

But I wasn't including the tail, just the proportions, got enough races with tails!

Granted, Roegadyn lost their tails when they transitioned from Galka. 😦

[gusty tartan]

all i can think of is the legendary saiyan race when i see that image

[late aurora]

The signature is by her arm, it’s totally fan art

[quick owl]

Fun fact: Akira Toriyama constantly had Goku and other Saiyans lose their tails because he hated drawing them.

[lusty herald]

Nope, it's fan art

[sudden spruce]

Damn ||hades being rude to axolotls||

[tulip geyser]

||Ancient!Emet is super done and I love it||

[quick owl]

In fact his entire reason for aging up Goku was simply because he thought drawing him as an adult would be easier. He actually intentionally handed in the chapter with the time skip to his editor late so that he couldn't talk him out of it.

That was also the reason behind the Super Saiayan power up: inking Goku's hair was time-consuming.

[sudden spruce]

Dude has no chill

[tulip geyser]

||Yeah cause Hythlo stole it all. ||

[sudden spruce]

||meanwhile hythlo is that super nice and chill friend||