retired-patch-6-3-discussion

[halcyon violet]

Just rewatch the curscene, ||Emet literally says he won't stay alive because his civilisation is done and he stands by what he did, you just beat him and he accepts it||

[radiant badger]

Not the laws of the universe, just the laws of nature on Eorzea, to forestall the final days.

[halcyon violet]

Btw should we just not use spoiler tags, I assume nobody who hasn't finished it should come here anyway

[radiant badger]

You would be surprised at the actions of some people

[blazing edge]

ehh, i think discussion actually should be at #916247709462200390 lol

[indigo shale]

nah this channel is a lore channel aswell, its fine to talk in here

[halcyon violet]

I literally didn't even check Reddit until I finished everything

[indigo shale]

we just spoiler stuff because out of kindness

[blazing edge]

who checks pins

[radiant badger]

[blazing edge]

i dont check pins 😎

[halcyon violet]

Big true, I just got tired of typing the tags in mobile

Anyway, it's definitely not sylvannas will never serve bad, I don't think it's bad per say but I do think their writers bit more than they could chew, that's just IMO though

I'm a sci fi nerd so the theme of EW is nothing new and IMO the execution is subpar

[meager forum]

what ilvl drops from the new expert dungeons

[hazy apex]

560 accessories

[halcyon violet]

560

[blazing edge]

yeah fair enough, I just think the themes of hope inside deepest despair was a bigger thing for me

[hazy apex]

No cause your job gear is 560

[blazing edge]

also seeing the different ways several worlds end is fun

in a macabre kind of way

[halcyon violet]

I feel like a better way for them to end it would have been to actually end it, and you traveling on the moon

Would have been hard to implement it so you can go back to limsa to rp dance all day though

[indigo shale]

that would have been shit

[urban phoenix]

i pitied the dragons....

[blazing edge]

the fact that we can go to Elpis and Thule is already kind of a weird thing from a lore perspective

[indigo shale]

why actually go the cop out method and fuck off on the moon

[urban phoenix]

they didnt deserve that

[halcyon violet]

That's not a cop out though, it's literally losing which should happen some times otherwise look

[indigo shale]

if a 5 year old writ maybe they might have actually done the great exodus

[halcyon violet]

Just think now, who is gonna be the big bad of 7.0? Some random city leader? Oh yeah I literally killed the bringer of the final days, who cares about you Mr wannabe dictator

[blazing edge]

i hope it de-escalates for 7.0

[indigo shale]

we were super buffed, thats not our natural power

and we are still mortal, a good stab to the heart will kill us

[blazing edge]

Oh yeah true, we were helped by 12k years of prep, most of the world coordinating against the apocalypse and a temporary upgrade from Hydaelyn

[halcyon violet]

Yeah but it still will make it feel lesser, it's a problem with shonen anime in general

[rocky pivot]

Is there any extra scene while or after the EW credits? or can I skip?

[indigo shale]

we are just an above average adventurer, we still need like 3/7 extra people to do anything

[compact wedge]

there's the panda stinger after the credits, but you can skip

[blazing edge]

It's why I hope the threat de-escelates for 7.0

[urban phoenix]

bit more than above average. like elite

[compact wedge]

we're already super nerfed with hydaelyn and emet selch gone

[indigo shale]

we arent really any better than the random people we grab for dungeons and trials

[halcyon violet]

Well, I also wish they added badass characters again, as it stands everyone just considers the wol basically a god

[urban phoenix]

but yeah. with hydaelyn gone and everything done. we also lose a big chunk of protection

[indigo shale]

like the people we party with lore wise are just some random people we find, and the are about equal to us

[tidal mauve]

tales of loss

[tulip geyser]

We also learned that while we were prepped for dynamis, our sort of life is also extremely vulnerable to it.

[urban phoenix]

i dont consider myself a god oô

[tulip geyser]

Kinda an issue when its 60% of the universe

[indigo shale]

the only reason we were able to do what we could is extreme luck and mega buffs when we need it from hydaelyn

[halcyon violet]

Well, dynamis is like aether

[urban phoenix]

i doubt we see dynamis more

[halcyon violet]

It can be good or bad, it was only bad because meteios went crazy

[blazing edge]

we're def gonna see dynamis more

[compact wedge]

and emet selch saving our ass twice

[indigo shale]

like we had no chance in 5.3 if we werent deus ex'd

[blazing edge]

wasn't the scions praying for a barrier made of dynamis?

[indigo shale]

elidibus would have won with no effort until emet did his thing

[tulip geyser]

Yeah and to survive this at all we needed help from the past and even Zenos crashing the party

[halcyon violet]

It's just the plot of the AI that learns the "truth" and goes crazy except it's an anime girl instead, it's similar to the reapers from mass effect basically

[urban phoenix]

nah....think about it. nobody exist anymore who can use dynamis

[halcyon violet]

It's the same antagonist type, from a story telling perspective

[indigo shale]

we arent a "god" in any means, we may be percieved that way because people dont know what actually happens in universe

[slender siren]

Hey!! Get off ff xiv and release new war plz

[indigo shale]

only 5 days now for more trauma, what an interesting month. EW and TNW

[tulip geyser]

Oh shit New War

[halcyon violet]

I don't know how the new raid will be cannon though

[indigo shale]

well most likely how they do every raid, time bubble it to when it needs to be

[halcyon violet]

Since lahabrra didn't get his memory wiped and he never hinted at knowing us

[compact wedge]

he wouldn't have recognized us anyway

[fleet flicker]

Lahabread :)

[indigo shale]

no but elidibus did, and hes our guide for panda

pre convocation elidibus at that

[compact wedge]

only hyth and hades can see the color of souls
eli only remembered us being in elpis way later

[indigo shale]

yeah thats when the timeline converged, and he freaked out

[north silo]

What’s new war

[compact wedge]

plus lahabread is a bit nuts anyway

[indigo shale]

as soon as he mentioned sending us back, memories were retroactively put into him as the loop closed

[urban phoenix]

yeah

[indigo shale]

so the same could have happened to laha if he was alive

[urban phoenix]

im going to replay ew soon. still have a bunny at 70. cant wait to bully emmy a bit again ❤️

[tulip geyser]

I look forward to brilliant slightly eccentric orator Laha

Just from Emet you can see how much they changed.

[indigo shale]

but he wont be called elidibus in the raids which is interestin, in regards to elidibus

as not being on the convocation we wont call him that, or he wont go by that

[tulip geyser]

Yeah itll be his name, whatever that is.
And I thought he might be Hermes before EW

[dim sigil]

He is part of convocation by this point

[indigo shale]

nah not in panda, note no red mask

[dim sigil]

One of the lines before was going about the volcano that azem did

He was most definitely in the convocation in that short story

[indigo shale]

well he knew azem before joining the convocation, but he has no red mask in the post credit CS

[dim sigil]

Whatever panda is we've already done that also I wonder how they're going to go about the not recognizing you thing

[indigo shale]

and as we know all ancients carry their masks with them at all times, and wear them at all times, except in elpis where they wear it on their chests, its definety pre him becoming elidibus as he has the generic ancient mask, also i wonder if his name will be apollo

also i like how with one off hand comment about not using spoiler marks, we've all just stopped using them

[dim sigil]

It's been a decent amount of time

I haven't read too much of the community reactions yet but I feel like endWalker is going to be a bit controversial

[indigo shale]

ofc it will be, we went to garlemald and i imagine some people will decry that as imperialism support or something

[urban phoenix]

@halcyon violet you said it would been better to end it with the moon? but that would mean you throw away so much content oO

[gaunt star]

that lvl 89 dungeon ||tho Hermes/Amon don't deserve attack by a zenos fanboy bth||

[indigo shale]

||well asahi had every right to be mad his body got stolen||

[jade phoenix]

so far reviews range from like 4.5/5 to 5/5

[indigo shale]

||it is interesting though how similar asahi and amon were, both just fanboys for zenos and xande respectively, which lead them down thier respective paths||

[jade phoenix]

personally it's my favorite base expansion out of all of them, i like how many risks they took

[dim sigil]

I mean yeah there's reviews and then there's stuff the community is going to talk about
debate about people are going to say they hated this part such as the fifth zone i can see a lot of hate because it changed the rules

[jade phoenix]

the last like 4 patches of shadowbringers changed the rules

[indigo shale]

most post patches did that, we learn things that change how previous stuff is viewed

[jade phoenix]

idc as long as its entertaining and well written

[indigo shale]

its not that it changes the rules that is the issue, its that it doesnt fit with some peoples own narratives of how they want the game to go

[dim sigil]

My friend said emd Walker did almost everything he did not want it to go in but still enjoyed it because it was still fun and it's done well

One thing I can see people getting over it is how they kind of slightly did away with the whole you are you and nobody else you're not your past reincarnation thing they kind of tried to play Both Sides a bit that you are and you aren't

[indigo shale]

like i dont like ShB because of the narrative they went with, but that doesnt mean its bad if that makes sense

[halcyon violet]

Not necessary really

[jade phoenix]

i mean i dont think that's necessarily set in stone yet

[dim sigil]

It's not but they definitely played it up a little

[indigo shale]

graha, amon and emet talked about soul disposition

[dim sigil]

I really expect them to go into a real heavy with us being azem but no

[indigo shale]

i tihnk its all but outright said our soul defines us

[dim sigil]

But they did say we are the spitting image of them which could mean soul but I don't know, and there's the whole Souls have personalities Theory

[indigo shale]

as soon as we were given the azem stone, it was clear the souls were pre-dispositioned imo

[granite nimbus]

I find it kind of weird how you're not addressed by your company rank in the role quests.

Even though you're directly addressing GC representatives.

[indigo shale]

which begs the question whos soul does zenos have, as we know amon had dreams of his past life, so zenos had someone who was in amourot

[dim sigil]

Idk kinda bigspoilers ill tag it anyway || The biggest thing I think is confirming Mom and Dad Crystal don't have their own self thier just mecha basically and the ascians were not tempered ||

[urban phoenix]

yes. you delete at least mentioned 3 continents

emet alone mentioned 3 locations we havent visited yet ans 2 mysteries we didnt solve

[abstract harbor]

endwalker finished. login wait times have been worth it

[dim sigil]

I feel like that was a meta line going to all the people who are like you have no imagination there's a million places we haven't been yet

[abstract harbor]

yoship and soken have done it again, mastapiece

[urban phoenix]

it wasnt...it was for the wol who was disheartened their adventure ended

[dim sigil]

I mean yeah works that way in world but there's also so many people who are saying
Where can we even go for the next expansion there's nowhere left and it's like heres a big list

[urban phoenix]

oh yeah okay got it wrong thought you mean me in person

plenty of places we can visit o3o even old places can bring new adventures

[indigo shale]

we havent even visited everywhere within the areas we have already been, so we have lots they can make stuff for

[abstract harbor]

ah, there isn't an Extreme ||endsinger||?(heavy EW spoilers)

[blazing edge]

I wonder what Midgardsomr's reaction is gonna be after waking up

[dim sigil]

I can't wait to just retire on my Island Sanctuary I feel like we need it after you know all of that

[blazing edge]

"what the fucketh transpired"

[dim sigil]

Final Boss Extreme always comes in a later

[inner ice]

5th Zone Spoilers: || so did Hydaelyn / Venat truly sunder the world only to weaken Zodiark or was there more to it? Medeion only killed those who who could not find a point to their own existence right? ||

[solemn helm]

Truly sad we never saw Ascians in Lalafell body. The hosts have been all Hyurs.

[abstract harbor]

ah, ty

[dim sigil]

|| Basically she sundered so people|could not have the temptation to become like the other worlds where they become apathy because everything is perfection ||

[inner ice]

|| medeion doesn't kill indiscriminately right? or was Zodiark stopping her from attacking Etherys? ||

[dim sigil]

|| zodiac was like a firewall preventing her from singing her song to destroy the world ||

[inner ice]

|| does she have a vengeance due to Hermes creating her ||

[jade relic]

|| she didnt deliberately kill anything other than etherys ||

|| some she did by accident ||

[dim sigil]

|| I don't know I got the impression that after a while she just started in acting final days on other planets ||

[inner ice]

|| to me it felt her goals were the elimination of societies who could not find their purpose in the universe ||

[indigo shale]

||well that was unintentional, such devastation was never her or hermes intention, it was a flawed question causing the hive mind to lose control||

[inner ice]

|| due to her and her sisters only finding life forms who collapsed due to trying to find their true purpose ||

|| all she and her sisters saw was death, no real reason for anyone to live ||

[urban phoenix]

but he knows?

[inner ice]

|| so assumedly she spares societies who truly found their purpose ||

[indigo shale]

||yeah middy knows whats been happening as vrtra called him||

[blazing edge]

||I kind of forgot if he did, all I know was that we got scales from his corpse lol||

[jade relic]

|| she would if she found any, presumably ||

[urban phoenix]

||didnt you listen to vrthra? midgardsormr is sleeping but that doesnt mean he cannot see whats going on. ||he knows what you do with his minion so behave! 😂

[dim sigil]

|| Also like I'm going to call it now the third Beast tribe is going to be the Ultima area and we're going to repopulate Neckoropolis with the races in that zone ||

[indigo shale]

||omicron beast tribe when||

[urban phoenix]

that would be kinda cringe

[jade relic]

|| in the final dungeon, theres a paper that says "one day a bird came and asked us why we lived, but we didnt have an answer. the bird asked again and again until we were overcome with despair" or something like that ||

[dim sigil]

Tell me I'm wrong though unless you have a better idea

[inner ice]

That's kinda what I assumed too

[urban phoenix]

i think our project will be on the moon. afterall they mentioned a farm and a sanctuary on the moon we get?

[inner ice]

|| a society who found their true purpose would be of interest to her ||

[dim sigil]

Elephants and bunnies people are confirmed tribes I'm pretty sure we don't know what the last one is going to

[indigo shale]

i think the sanctuary might be on eorzea, it looks to natural to be anywhere else

[blazing edge]

ah yeah lmao

[urban phoenix]

oh a third one....well starting with 6.1 it will be a brand new story so.....we can see new tribes maybe?

[dim sigil]

|| Under construction (Sorry) by the way was like the best part of this expansion ||

[urban phoenix]

hu? XD

[dim sigil]

It's the name of the final area in one of the post game dungeons

[urban phoenix]

oh okay

[dim sigil]

Its from || smileton ||

[urban phoenix]

was too busy not dieing didnt pay much attention

[dim sigil]

Probably wasn't worth it but I bought the music roll for that for like 600 k

[urban phoenix]

also i didnt like smileton much....

[dim sigil]

It was kind of nice to have a silly dungeon

[indigo shale]

turns out i spent to long tabbed out talking here and got afk kicked and tabbed back into to the trailer deafening me

[urban phoenix]

yeah but the mechanics are so hard to read. i prefer the stigma one

[weary rain]

wow the 88 msq is pure filler lmfaoooo

[dim sigil]

|| I never thought our Omega kill count would go up much higher than 1 ||

[hoary frost]

Shadowbringer has set the precedent of non-beast race having "beast tribe" dailies so from that anything is possible to be honest but i'd chuckle if it turned out to be ||garlemald||.

[dim sigil]

That would be the ultimate irony

[urban phoenix]

ewwwwww

[hoary frost]

ikr .

[indigo shale]

tbf at this point the beast tribe stuff is just to put dailies in one space, like with the dwarves they arent beasts but still classed as beast tribe

[hoary frost]

That's what i'm referring to yes.

[indigo shale]

||anyway i think theyll save garlemald for restoration, considering the GC of E will probably want to well, not leave the tower of babil there ||

[dim sigil]

|| It's kind of weird to do a restoration because like are they going to change a main Zone that drastically ||

[indigo shale]

||theres also a whole space behind the tower they could maybe make a seperate area for, like the firmament||

[urban phoenix]

you dont need to restore garlemald to blow up the tower.....

[dim sigil]

Tru

[urban phoenix]

and why would you help toxic bitter people who are so harshly indoctrinated they probably stab you in the back?

[hoary frost]

||Maybe the gleaner could be a beast tribe for gatherer.||

[urban phoenix]

i like that idea

[indigo shale]

because the whole purpose (well not whole but a chunk) of that area was changing the garlean outlook and not condemning them to hell because of emet selch

[urban phoenix]

they had plenty of time to change after emet

but they didnt. also they also didnt want too

[indigo shale]

they had no time to change emet made sure of that

his whole purpose of making the garleans and garlemald the way they were was to after his death break apart and cause a calamity in its wake

as he talks about post SB

[dim sigil]

They felt pretty realistic honestly in a way like yeah of course that's how they're going to react you're not just going to instantly like us

[river hound]

Remind me, || what wad the promise that we made with Venat/Hydaelyn?||

[indigo shale]

also how could they change when it was his grand son that became emperor

[urban phoenix]

still dont want to help em

[dim sigil]

You don't exactly break it down their way of thinking indoctrination overnight

[indigo shale]

its been less than a year since solus died as well

[hoary frost]

That's what made the area so frustrating yet good.

[dim sigil]

Gods let us have a time skip pls, less than a year thing gets more and more ridiculous

[indigo shale]

their are real countries that still havent broke from indoctrination of past things why do you think garlemald would break free of it in a weekend

[urban phoenix]

i didnt like area. the garleans where, like fandaniel said, distraction from the main objective

[vernal nacelle]

Okay, so I just walked through the doors from that event into Zone 5... and this is the absolute coolest fucking thing ever. I love it.

[tulip geyser]

Enjoy

[urban phoenix]

the second we arrive there they forget what they gathered to do. to spearhead a fast path to the tower and destroy it

instead they start playing good samariter

[half phoenix]

Well, ||The Garlemald we see wont be rebuilt. It’s full of mobs, quest objectives and fate spawns.||

[indigo shale]

its like in HW

[gusty tartan]

actually wasnt the group formed with the dual purpose of destroying the tower as well as providing aid to the Garlean people

[tulip geyser]

||I cant help but kinda feel you there. Like yeah yeah MMO things but jeez.
The world is gonna go upside down from Garlean magitek and cleanup and moonbun tech.
Eorzea will look very different when WoL is grandpa/grandma and Id like to see things start heading in that direction||

[hoary frost]

Pretty sure they also gathered to lend a hand to the garlean survivor.

[indigo shale]

we helped the ishgardians even though they were indoctrinated assholes

[gaunt star]

||I feel sad for venat having the hold the line alone for so long until we are ready to take the touch and start the next phase of the plan||

[urban phoenix]

nah the first objective was a taskforce to spearhead a fast destruction to the tower.....also im really pissed they burned anima in a dungeon.....

[indigo shale]

why wouldnt we do the same with the garleans, they are people too, anc people can change

[half phoenix]

||Providing aid doesn’t mean rebuilding a whole city||

[urban phoenix]

A DUNGEON......

[indigo shale]

anima was just fan service and served a purpose that werent even worth a dungeon

[dim sigil]

Honestly I would have liked it to be a trial but I'm glad they save trials for 14 original stuff instead

[urban phoenix]

T_T

[humble heron]

Hey it might have been a dungeon boss but it was a dope dungeon boss

[dim sigil]

You got a phase transition and everything it's basically a trial

[half phoenix]

Besides something tells me Firmament/Diadem is still useful for leveling, killing the point of another restoration zone. Not to mention that’d just be more work for the environmental artists that could be better spent elsewhere

[indigo shale]

they already ahve the garlemald assets

[hoary frost]

EW was on a different scale and anima being a dgn boss, i feel it served into that idea that our threat were bigger than ever to the point that even classic dgn boss were more than just random mob.

[dim sigil]

I think really a lot of bosses in this expansion were 14 original stuff we didn't really have many other Final Fantasy crossover enemies like we usually do aside from like the first two dungeons

[indigo shale]

||well zodiark isnt an original boss per se aswell||

[dim sigil]

|| I mean it's original enough that you can't say this is inspired by x game or whatever, something like the sisters is just a little too close to be not obviously a 10 reference or just maybe I'm not familiar with the game zodiark comes from I don't know ||

[indigo shale]

if this game werent called ff14 it would essentially be called ffXII - 2 with its references

[urban phoenix]

magus sister showed up before ff10|| i think anima was the only esper that got added and was an ff 10 original together with valfaris||

[hoary frost]

More like World of Final Fantasy 2

[indigo shale]

the ascians/convocation are all named after espers, ivalice, fran, viera race, the lexentales, elidibus, bozja and i think a few more things are ff12/tactics inspired

[astral trout]

When people complain about login and such I answer ||To live is to suffer||

[hoary frost]

Speaking of which do we know who the leader of the dalmascan rebellion is

[urban phoenix]

Genius! 😂

[vague forum]

||Tell us why, given life, we are meant to wait… helpless in our queues?||

[indigo shale]

also the ascian sigils are all from 12 aswell

[vague forum]

I am curious who the ||12 really are||; and why does one of them sound so similar to Azem

[indigo shale]

we'll find out very soon at least

[hoary frost]

People have been making theory that they're based on the convocation

[vague forum]

It would make sense

But they’re short two people

[hoary frost]

Nald'Thal are twins

[gaunt star]

answer ||hit so differently|| after 6.0 that's for sure

[gusty tartan]

I never thought I would ever say such a thing but ||Mommy Crystal is dead and I feel a deep void from it||

[vague forum]

||Hydaelyn’s death really hit me hard, especially after elpis ||

[gusty tartan]

||Elpis really hit hard because It was so many things going wrong at once that caused basically everything||

[indigo shale]

now that we canonically ||ride shinryu anyway, pls SE give shinryu mount|| (end spoilers btw)

[dim sigil]

Did they change mogstation?

[gusty tartan]

yea it got a ui update

[dim sigil]

It looks so different

[indigo shale]

oh it now went from 1990 to 2005

[gusty tartan]

one day we'll reach the fabled 2021 UI

[dim sigil]

I feel i logged into a scam mogststion site lmao cuz of the change

[indigo shale]

tbh so far it feels not any better

[tulip geyser]

Right?

[abstract harbor]

music in ||stigma dreamscape||

[dim sigil]

Kinda lame honestly

[abstract harbor]

😮

[indigo shale]

eScape is good though

[dim sigil]

Its JUST Escape

Yeah its good song real good but nothing new

[indigo shale]

its like when they use the trailer theme for a boss fight or something, yeah its not new but still cool imo

[dim sigil]

|| I wondering if omega is just another omicorn then and not just a robot ai ||

[drowsy sky]

||.||

[gusty tartan]

||did that omega bot ever show up in any of the msq|?||

[humble heron]

||hes a fate boss||

[gusty tartan]

my thanks

[viscid monolith]

Now that I think about it Omega never refered to a "creator". It said "master" which is a weird choice of words.

[indigo shale]

whats going to be great about whatever comes next, is that itll be allags fault because everything is

[dim sigil]

Why is there allag stuff on moon anywau

[gaunt star]

||got to miss Hydaelyn after such a long time thx venat for holding the line until we are ready for the next phase of the plan||

[indigo shale]

because they can, they travelled to the 13th, so moon travel is nothing for them probably

[tidal mauve]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/wx6Ux2FSD2xMV4UWEdeeRVLNFklU_aEsYsRuf1UNfh8/https/i.redd.it/eh1tma27ml481.gif

[hoary frost]

They made dalamud, ||they challenged hydaelyn in the sky.||

[indigo shale]

even on the first we couldnt escape allag, because the ct is there

[dim sigil]

Now they just need to answer if the moon on shards is its own separate thing

[humble heron]

@tidal mauve thats good

[dim sigil]

Is there more bnuuys

[indigo shale]

probably, because zodiarks soul needs to come from somewhere and no

hydaelyns escape plan was only for the source

as livingway put it anyway

[dim sigil]

|| Teeny tiny toy boat ||

[hoary frost]

||Hydaelyn be like "nope i only favor the source."
The shards : ||

[gusty tartan]

||I still vastly preferred this name||

[gaunt star]

||so er what will happen to those unsundered souls btw||

[indigo shale]

if the source dies, all the shards will be forced rejoined and destroyed

[dire trench]

What kind of time notation is 8 carrots? lol

[dim sigil]

Its yum is wht it is

[gusty tartan]

the amount of time it takes a guy to walk the length of 8 carrots

[vague forum]

||They will prolly be reborn ubsundered||.

[humble heron]

||they said they went back to the aetherial sea||

[indigo shale]

well if the source stopped existing all those souls would vanish

as the life stream only affects etheryis

never to be reborn anyway

[dim sigil]

|| I got the impression also emet could of stuck around if he really wanted at the end ||

[vague forum]

||The way the aetherial sea works is, like the cycle of reincarnation in certain religions… at least that’s how I understood it.
So if someone were to die unsundered, their next reincarnation will be unsundered.||

[gusty tartan]

||That should be the case as he said that he didnt want to live being revived by Crystal moms magic and would prefer being dead anyway since all of his race is dead||

[indigo shale]

so if source goes blam, rip everyone whos already dead, but idk if other stars have their own lifestream, other than the shards which are etheris anyway

[vague forum]

||Alternatively, they will be reborn sundered and their remaining aether will stay in the Aetherial see (aka spare change)||

[fluid basalt]

they will still ||be reborn eventually tho||?

[viscid monolith]

The Scholarch posited 2 possible outcomes after you die

[vague forum]

||Yeah, that’s how it works in the sundered etheryis||

[indigo shale]

i donth think so as the life stream isnt universe wide, so if the source was to not exist there is nowhere for anyone to be reborn from that star

[viscid monolith]

1. Your soul gets dissolved inti pure aether and mixed with outer aether to create new souls.

2. Your soul remains whole and reincarnates.

Did we ever get a definitive answer to that?

[vague forum]

Oh wait one sec, y’all are talking about ||if the source was destroyed?
Nvm, if source is destroyed all reflections will also be destroyed||.

||So no Aetherical sea for rebirth||

[indigo shale]

i am at least, because we were talking about about zodiarks shards

[dim sigil]

Seems you can retain a strong sense of self after death || illberd you fuck ||

[indigo shale]

but yeah source dead, no one is coming back from that star or its reflections

[vague forum]

||I’d say it’s probably the latter, because of the presence of the sundered ascians.
That’s how hades recruited the sundered members of the convocation||

[vague forum]

||SLOPEH!||

[gusty tartan]

||you gotta respect the guy for his commitment tho||

[warm glen]

are the server crashed now? i flew offine

[dim sigil]

|| Ew seems to confirm souls carry over a lot from the old self probably not new souls ||

[vague forum]

||And it also says that your personality is tied to your soul, which would make sense that Azem would reincarnate into an adventurer (at least both shards of Azem that we know of had the same love for adventure)||

[lean ore]

this is crazy but i had no queue /sweat

[vague forum]

||But then you look at Hermes and his shard, Amon, and you’re like “wtf happened there?!”||

[dim sigil]

Peoeple are gonna hate that sooooo much

I saw that line and im like oh no

[vague forum]

Which line?

[dim sigil]

|| Souls carry over personality ||

[vague forum]

Oh lmao

[viscid monolith]

Wow I guess Seto was fucking WRONG then

[vague forum]

I’m curious why

[viscid monolith]

Your soul does determine who you are. Very uplifting.

[dim sigil]

Get fucked lmao

|| Ascians also werent temepred so like did emet lie or was this was a retcon ||

[viscid monolith]

Ascians were tempered what do you mean

[vague forum]

||Inb4 we learn that Zenos’ other 13 shards, whoever he was unsundered, are as psychotic as him||

[gusty tartan]

||I would say that the soul line can only go so far in justifying character traits, Case in point: Hermes and Amon||

[hollow ice]

its just the effect isnt really as pronounced cuz zodiark was a by the people for the people (ascians) kinda deal

[dim sigil]

They said the other way of summoning cant temepr, somthing like zodiark youll feel a lil tug but thats it

[indigo shale]

ive been arguing that since 5.3,

[dim sigil]

It was a unoviced scene and ik how peoeple love to skip those

[viscid monolith]

Kinda shitty to invalidate such a touching scene

[indigo shale]

as soon as we recived the azem stone it was all but said outright

[hollow ice]

I see the confusion
||theres the method for primal summoning||
||the method for summoning zodiark||
||and the method of combining creation magicks with faith to boost the rocket with mommy crystal primals||

[indigo shale]

also the fact ardbert was similar to us, wanting to save everyone

[viscid monolith]

One person being similar to us is a coincidence

[indigo shale]

it was enough to instill the idea that the soul defined us

[hollow ice]

further more they make mention that the reason its like that is also because ||it wouldnt have the same level of power as the old zodiark||

[indigo shale]

because it seemed a bit too coincidental

[viscid monolith]

Also why even have the fucking scene with Seto then? Just to pull heart strings because it's the easiest response to get out of people?

[indigo shale]

especially as hydae/minfillia spared ardbert specifically for us

and with what we learn in EW

it reinforces my intitial thought

[dim sigil]

|| Also ew introduced pre destined Fate, we traveled in time because we always have, it had to happen cuz it alreadly did ||

[vague forum]

That’s interesting

But I fail to see the problem with|| the soul carries over personality|| bit

[dim sigil]

It was a big thing in shb

You are you, your not defined by who your soul was

[viscid monolith]

I think I hate EW just because of this. This feels like a contradiction to SHB.

[vague forum]

Was it?
A discussion or something? Cuz I wasn’t there until much later

[dim sigil]

Ew is gonna be controversial

[vague forum]

Interesting

[gusty tartan]

||Dont they also invalidate the soul thing with only the core personality traits transfer over and you are still you because of your experiences? They dont even call you Azem but Azem's Sucessor||

[viscid monolith]

I think after the emotions die down and people wipe their tears because this is the conclusion people will start looking at the story with a more critical eye.

[indigo shale]

eh its not enough to ruin EW, but thats maybe because i felt about 5.0 that our soul defined us anyway, what does seto know anyway hes done nothing for years

[dim sigil]

|| I feel they 'redeemded" emet a little, idk if that's the right word exactly but somthing like that ||

[drowsy sky]

||what is the big fate called in ultima thule?||

[cerulean pagoda]

Endwalker is not without fault, and there's quite a bit when you look at it

[dim sigil]

Shb was overall written better start to end, but i still enjoyed ew a lot

[indigo shale]

ehhhh, you say that but il mheg and ahm areng

[vague forum]

||But I really don’t see how soul carrying over personality traits invalidates the statement “you are you”||

[dim sigil]

|| Your not a adventurer cuz you made that choice,, your one cuz azem was ||

[indigo shale]

the reason ShB mayy have felt better is because we did the same thing over and over, so they cant really screw up when nothing new was changing

[vague forum]

Ardbert and WOL are two different people with different experiences, but they’re the same in terms of personality. Yet they are their own people defined by their own experiences and actions

[hollow ice]

the answer we were given is ||the soul gets cleansed and remixed with aether probably from weaker souls that didnt have enough and then get reincarnated, its also been found that the souls have a sort of lean towards a personality type but thats about it (most likely the lean is based on the predominant personality traits of the most powerful soul used in the remaking process plus the smaller)||

[vague forum]

||That is just taking it to the extreme.
Azem was an adventurer because he liked adventuring.
You are an adventurer because you like adventuring.

Both are adventurers by choice||

[gusty tartan]

SHB was a classic FF story basically

[cerulean pagoda]

Shb felt cleaner, more polished

[dim sigil]

Had the advantage of being a standalone ish

[hollow ice]

only the last few patches for me

[indigo shale]

ShB was sort of nothing till post patches imo

[cerulean pagoda]

Endwalker feels like a fanfiction

[dim sigil]

A bit

[vital brook]

Bruh is ||Thancred staying dead||? FUCK

[fluid basalt]

yeah SHB benefited from a blank slate.... EW tried really hard to tie everything that came before it and i thought it worked

[mint sail]

is he?

[vague forum]

||He became the ground you’re walking on, so every step of the way you’re stepping on him||

[viscid monolith]

||You are an adventurer because you're preconditioned to be one ||

[dim sigil]

|| the sound is my bird girl oc, what if we went back in time and traveledd with og emet 😳 ||

[vague forum]

||EW did work, as a conclusion to many story arcs. At least IMO||

[cerulean pagoda]

Bird girls where I had to turn my brain off

[gaunt star]

||wonder if we ever see emet or hythlodaeus or even venat as reincarnation again||

[slate ridge]

||It feels weird and I’m not sure if it’s true but can you actually teleport to elpis? You’re basically going back in time||

[gusty tartan]

||I find emobird to be better than random big bad ancient evil||

[dim sigil]

Hope not tbh their story is over

[indigo shale]

we still need to find out about the heart of sabik, it will happen at some point, and when it does Koji fox will laugh at us

[dim sigil]

Equinox?

[vague forum]

||That’s like saying you are an aggressive person because you are prone to aggression.
Completely dissociating the responsibility of choice, that’s not how it works IRL and neither should it in a game||

[indigo shale]

||thier is still choice, but you are heavily influenced by the soul ||

[stiff pewter]

MEANWHILE:

[gusty tartan]

||god i fucking love his attitude. Its so simple that anyone can understand it. Dude just wants to fight||

[dim sigil]

|| I hope zenos stays dead, bringing him back will ruin that amazing finale ||

[vague forum]

||So it’s not really meaningless.
You didn’t become an adventurer just because you’re a reincarnated of Azem||

[lean ore]

it wont and ull be all a joke to him kekw

[viscid monolith]

||But it is how it works in game. Through magic||

[slate ridge]

Does sb have a “final final spoilery area”? Hw has azys la, shb has tempest, and I sadly got spoiled that ew has one too

[vague forum]

||The only thing we have going for is that personality is carried over by the soul.
That’s all.

That doesn’t somehow override the agency of choice||

[indigo shale]

||well we did as amon, emet and graha all come to this conclusion about the soul influencing the live of those who inherit it||

[slate ridge]

I don’t think so

[gaunt star]

HOLY SHIT ONE OF THOSE RGB ALIENS JUST CLAPPED MY CHEEKS IN TWO SWIPES

[dim sigil]

I mean yeah, ofc theres gonna be a end game final area always

[hollow ice]

what you are doing right now is saying that people are their talents and not their own people

[hoary frost]

It serve into a real life theory that babies are born with a personality but it get altered as they grow up. You are forged by your experiences at the end of the day no matter the structure of your personality or in this case, soul.

[vague forum]

^

[next quarry]

You met the gamer lunatender

[vague forum]

Nature vs Nurture is a thing

[indigo shale]

until 3 different times they stated that in EW your soul give a heavy disposition

[dim sigil]

Yeah but that's not what the game is now telling us

[gusty tartan]

I hate that I can sorta understand this

[indigo shale]

and even hinted at it in ShB

[vague forum]

Alright so I been i Q for 3 hours now, from 2.7k

[gusty tartan]

The game sorta does the Nature and Nuture route with ||Amon||

[indigo shale]

like if you dont like it, tell ishikawa that shes wrong as she writ both ShB and EW

[vague forum]

I’m finally in

[dim sigil]

|| The spitting image of azem line also plays into the whole thing, tho thats gonna be werid if your a hrothgar unless azem was a furry ||

[next quarry]

Sorry 😔

Azem furry confirmed

[gusty tartan]

:O

[hollow ice]

||hes just exploring||

[indigo shale]

also the fact hydae would have chose us anyway because it was fated for us to go back to get help

[gusty tartan]

||its just a phase mom||

[indigo shale]

i hate time travel in games

[viscid monolith]

I hate predestination

[vague forum]

||It’s a closed loop, but Hydaelyn didn’t assume that it will always stay closed.
That’s why she expressed surprise when she learned that you went back in time||

[indigo shale]

like Alexander i can forgive as thats isolated to itself

[dim sigil]

14 has like now 3 sets of rules for time-travel

[indigo shale]

but but ShB, and elpis, hmmmmmmmmmm

[scenic vigil]

I very much wanted Zenos to ||be a sundered soul of whatever made the sound, but once they introduced meteion that dream died, of course. I still want to know if he's a sundered fragment of any particularly notable ancient. In particular he has dreams of the final days as he mentions in shadowbringers imperial throne room scenes, and he seems completely unperturbed by them. Before EW i was hypothesizing that therefore his unsundered soul's being wasn't a victim of the original final days but a perpetrator instead, but of course this didn't turn out to be true. It still gives me questions about his strength and the origins of his soul though. Questions that I wonder even more about after the way Hythlodeus' shade on the moon described Zenos' soul when he and Fandaniel were approaching. Perhaps there's still a little bit of backstory here that we've yet to learn? Also, I feel like in one of the media tour interviews or live letters, can't recall which, Yoshi-P implied that Zenos' reaper avatar was something uniquely noteworthy, but I still don't get what it's supposed to be. My guess is like, maybe it's his mother or something? but I honestly don't really get if it's supposed to be something in particular. Maybe there's some details I overlooked or missed during the story if anyone knows?||

[next quarry]

||They said his avatar might be important later right||

[indigo shale]

also i like how our method to fix the 8th umbral calamity was to just abandon it and create a new timeline, because that original timeline still got fucked over and still exists

[viscid monolith]

Well we learn that it got better eventually

[hazy apex]

||Perhaps Zenos is a soul that is just souped up on dynamis since he believes in his own strength so fervently||

[scenic vigil]

||kinda wonder if the raid will actually cover it, tbh? maybe? it doesn't seem related but sometimes we get blindsided by surprise plot points in side content||

[robust crescent]

||think I can do zodiark normal consistently 100% of the time without being hit, guess time for EX once I finished getting my materia|| level 84 spoilers

[next quarry]

Maybe? Maybe the Trial series

[scenic vigil]

yeah maybe brandon idk

[hazy apex]

He does exude that kinda confidence

[cerulean pagoda]

Lol does that mean that grahas hope for that timeline to still continue is lost bc ||meteion is gonna kill them all||

[dim sigil]

Probably

[cerulean pagoda]

Nice, nice

[dim sigil]

Unless there's another us and they have their own endwalker

[indigo shale]

yeah, also i think emet and elidi are still alive in that timeline, so

as we never travelled to the first, so that would also be rejoined soon

[slate ridge]

It seems ||people’s prediction that zenos will aid is us is coming true because I got spoiled. I’m too impatient…||

[next quarry]

Just keep playing

[slate ridge]

Something like that…||he helps you at the final boss I believe||

[indigo shale]

so in essence everyone still died, we just pushed the problem to the side and covered it with a sheet

[cerulean pagoda]

There goes grahas lovely sentiment

[next quarry]

||if they got zodiark back and running does that mean they can go fuck up another past||

[gusty tartan]

yea but they dont know that :)

[tulip geyser]

Oh dear

[viscid monolith]

The legacy the WoL left behind has strengthened the survivors and raised their chances of defeating the Ascians.

[dim sigil]

Nothing worth using them on yet

[indigo shale]

i doubt anyone not us is going to beat an unsundered permanently in that timeline

[viscid monolith]

Especially with the dragons and humans working together. That's actually huge. Midgardsormr eventually wakes up with his full strength.

[next quarry]

God that story was good

[gusty tartan]

do we ever get to know what is in the lake Midgardsormr is at?

[dim sigil]

No

[next quarry]

Not yet, maybe in alliance raid

[opaque shuttle]

lv 89 post-trial, ||who was that speaking to us 'underwater' in our sleep...?||

[hazy apex]

|| it's a secret ||

[gusty tartan]

damn guess ill have to wait until my "Final Days"

[north fulcrum]

Me having to guide the twins around

[opaque shuttle]

will I learn in later quests?

[north silo]

How long will a 3700 queue take

[hazy apex]

yes

[opaque shuttle]

ah ok, I shall be patient then

[cerulean pagoda]

Depends on the time of day, maybe an hour, maybe more

[north silo]

It’s nearly 6PM

[north fulcrum]

They actually do good at revealing all in this expansion without so much that there's no interesting stuff to think about

[dim sigil]

|| our theme makers ruin in the final trial btw was pure bliss ||

[cerulean pagoda]

Idk how it is for chaos but aether queues take up to an hour around 6 pm

[next quarry]

The mystery of the fuckin lake is just breaking me rn

[opaque shuttle]

from someone on Aether/NA, queueing that long around that time is roughly 3 hrs for me >_<

[gusty tartan]

same

[indigo shale]

we had to use the power of the blessing of light and the light aether from all the wardens to beat emet, i dont think any run of the mill WoL can do that

[graceful oak]

hello.. does Aphorism has weekly cap?

[next quarry]

It's the only thing from 1.0 that was never explained

[dim sigil]

|| Can someone ask yoshi p to confirm zenos is dead ||

[next quarry]

||Check quest log, he is||

[north silo]

What lake

[urban phoenix]

lake of tears?

[viscid monolith]

Any WoL with a group as reliable as the Scions

[next quarry]

Mor Dhona lake, a presence stopped Gaius' advance

[gusty tartan]

I just love anything pertaining to the dragons cause dragons are fucking rad

[north silo]

Silver Tear Lake?

[cerulean pagoda]

I too really want the lake answered but I keep getting told to drop it cause they don't want anything to do with 1.0

[urban phoenix]

i guess its called like that because of all the loss there happened?

[next quarry]

Yes silvertear

[dim sigil]

The source

[next quarry]

Midgardsormr was already sleeping by then

[dim sigil]

I hate that nane for the lake

[gusty tartan]

feels so good to play BLM after getting RPR through MSQ. seems like I was born to cast

[cerulean pagoda]

Really thought it was gonna be the direct route to hydaelyn

[next quarry]

Mor Dhona is also the center of aether currents in eorzea too iirc

[north silo]

Isn’t it explained that the presence was Midgard?

[next quarry]

Nope, it's something else, koji commented on it ages ago

[dim sigil]

I only did a little but sages feels really werid with how its dot works

[next quarry]

"we might bring it back or we might not" was the situation if I remember

[north silo]

Are all these “way” names to do with that achievement title ||Lightingway||

[gusty tartan]

the one thing im pissed about EnW ||is not getting a longer segment with Ryne after meeting her for like 2 minutes||

[dim sigil]

Im shocked they even showed up

[gusty tartan]

its something about something you do later on in the story

[north silo]

||Ew ryne||

[errant perch]

||ya this story wasn't about the first||

[dim sigil]

Oh oh oh all jobs 90 reward is ass btw

[indigo shale]

but who else could create white auracite or find other forms of auracite, or know the tower may be capable of trapping an ascian soul, like our method of trapping an ascian relied on sharlayan and one contact who died, personally i dont think its hopeful for the original timeline

[north silo]

What is it

[dim sigil]

Like 2 feathers in your hair

[north silo]

OH I WISH I WAS A PUNK ROCK GIRL WITH FLOWERS IN MY HAIR

Sorry the feathers reminded me of that song

[cerulean pagoda]

I feel like in sb everyone disliked the free expac mount so they made it hard to get in shb, but everyone disliked that cause of the grind, so they just, made it free again

Given, I've not met hardly anyone who actually likes the new expac mount

[dim sigil]

I wish argos was all 90 reward tbh

[hazy apex]

Where EW stone sky sea?

[indigo shale]

the mount isnt worth that much effor,t even getting it free felt bad

[cerulean pagoda]

Radz at han

[hazy apex]

thx king

[dim sigil]

Radz feels messy for a endgame hub i miss eulmores nearly everything laid out

[wet summit]

||gaia crying in the corner||

[gusty tartan]

||lol who :) :(||

[dim sigil]

|| Ya know we should like go tell ryne everythings ok now probably ||

[wet summit]

||I mean like, all of the shops are just in two rows next to each other lol||

[gusty tartan]

||nah Im sure she knows through our unspoken emotional connections that have carried us through many unbelievable things||

[urban phoenix]

tbh im glad no more ryne

[dim sigil]

Lyse got screentime

[urban phoenix]

which is even worse

[dim sigil]

She looked kinda cool actually in her ala migo armor or whatever it was

[indigo shale]

lyse is fine idk why people dont like her as most reasons ive seen is stuff that never happened in the first place

its like eveyone skipped stormblood and ignored everything that happened in it

[real venture]

|| Estinine without armor was a shock || MSQ 89 (Post Dung / Trial)

[cerulean pagoda]

ran stormblood twice, still dont care much for her

[urban phoenix]

because she gained her position on riding others peoples back while doing nothing but useless talk

[indigo shale]

so you skipped it

[cerulean pagoda]

no thats, the general reasoning

[urban phoenix]

awwwww

[indigo shale]

she fought for the resistance a lot, and was always on the frontline, she never wanted to lead. she was forced into it by everyone around her

[hollow ice]

the name is spelled wrong

[indigo shale]

even we forced her into the postion she didnt want

[gusty tartan]

||feelsbad to be Meiteon, literally a child and sent out without knowing jack only to see the worst case scenarios ||

[urban phoenix]

lol no? if thats would be true raubahn wouldnt take over so smoothly like melting butter in a pan like he did

nobody cared bout lyse in the first place. she was just "another girl fighting in the resistance". i bet if there where major votings raubahn would win with over 90%

[indigo shale]

theres like 5 cutscenes with her not wanting the position but everyone in the reach just pressuring her saying she should lead

[urban phoenix]

thats because raubahn was not there

[urban phoenix]

as soon he joined nobody asked about her anymore

[gusty tartan]

||the worst part about meeting birb was knowing whats probably gonna happen and seeing it occur in one of the worst ways possible||

[cerulean pagoda]

i feel like the better route would have been to have left her sister alive and not had her become yda, then had kept yda in the leadership position and have lyse develop alongside her

[gusty tartan]

to be fair the ala mhigo side of the story wasnt exactly the strongest writing they've done most of the expac focused on Othard til we returned to ala mhigo

[hollow ice]

at first ||i thought we were getting back story for garuda XD||

[stiff pewter]

SPELLED CORRECTER NOW

[hollow ice]

all is right with the world

[dim sigil]

Who was this Papalmyo thing she mentioned tho? /s

[nova flower]

The typos this expansion have been… pretty funny lol

[gusty tartan]

what mean thats hidden 6.xx lore

[hollow ice]

wha what typo
oh I got it

[nova flower]

Aymeric making major life choices between patch stories

[gusty tartan]

just like WoL when they come back looking like an entirely different person

[stiff pewter]

They make sure they don't kill too many characters because that means they also have to animate flashbacks every time a character needs development

[dim sigil]

Ew is so much like ff4

[marsh osprey]

dat sage screenshot potential

[wild crane]

HUH?! AYO LMAO

[dim sigil]

|| even with alll the fake out deaths ||

[nova flower]

Well, FF4 still had one death that stuck. EW, on the other hand

[hollow ice]

EW had multiple

[indigo shale]

raubahn never took over at all as they formed a council, he has no more of less power than anyone else there so the craziness of thodric can never be repeated

[plain plover]

bloody hell endwalker metacritic score is silly high

[dim sigil]

The bite of 87

[main umbra]

I think even though we knew they would be alive at the end. That last zone crushed me

[dim sigil]

In universe wol doesnt know that

[feral pike]

Finished the msq yesterday and gotta say it’s less dark than my ||upon-meeting-hermes|| theory

[urban phoenix]

i know. but afterwards you only talk with raubahn and he said the most lyse was gone. and i hope it stays that way

[indigo shale]

.....

[abstract harbor]

||that, i can't deny||
||/smirk||

[urban phoenix]

i just dont like her

[gaunt star]

Is there a guide for ||hydaelyn|| extreme?

[cerulean pagoda]

so does anyone have any take on if ||graha is being written out now or not? im struggling to figure it out myself cause on the one hand id abhor it if they really just gave us his 20 minute death speech about how he wants to journey with us and our promises reach across time and space etc etc and then for him to get sidelined/benched, it also doesnt feel like weve had him with us for nearly as long as we should all things considered, for the majority of shb he was parading around in disguise so in a way it doesnt even feel like it was him or rather he didnt get to be himself||

[indigo shale]

this would be like claiming aymeric was useless, just because you dont like a character doesnt mean you make up shit about them

[gusty tartan]

||that line is too good to pass up and that fucking smirk really delivers it||

[main umbra]

Nah he’s here to stay

[abstract harbor]

all the real ones chose it

[main umbra]

Real question. Who gave that twirp that archon bread choice

[gaunt star]

I chose it to give my man the ecstasy he deserved lmao

[humble heron]

he needs a hug tbh

[gusty tartan]

I couldnt do it to em. No one deserves that

[urban phoenix]

people view situations and outcomes different. you see her as valued member or whatever. i see her as a crybaby who only talks and never has any real impact. she was more badass when she wore that mask

[abstract harbor]

i really liked how the ||endsinger scions cutscene was a mirror of the one where they seal bahamut, even down to their individual animations like thancred readjusting his hands||

[humble heron]

i mean she's a good fighter but yeah i mean shes just not ready to lead yet imho

[urban phoenix]

yes it was just such a great homage flashback

[humble heron]

she is only 25 after all

[dim sigil]

|| Even the other lines you could tell zenos i can see them beong said as like your not wrong but fuck you im getting tired of this ||

[indigo shale]

can you come up with a non made up reason for not liking her

[gusty tartan]

25 and was recently disguising as her sister which probably seems like she has some issues honestly

[urban phoenix]

also has sister issues that need therapeutical attention

[cerulean pagoda]

i dont like that shes really good at monk but has canonically never studied

[main umbra]

Can anyone explain why they release 1.0 trailer. I just couldnt understand

[humble heron]

rapknife are you done with msq

[main umbra]

@cerulean pagoda no brain = monk main

[gusty tartan]

punch good is not hard to learn

[urban phoenix]

probably higher quality than 10 years ago? Xd

[main umbra]

@humble heron i am did i just forget a cutscene.

[gusty tartan]

there is one thing I can say. MSQ really drains a person

[urban phoenix]

true. the emotional rollercoaster is really hard this time

[main umbra]

Msq 89-90 took me 6 hours lol

[humble heron]

ok the reason why the released the 1.0 trailer is as follows (spoilers for zone 6) ||the 1.0 trailer featuring the primals coming out of midgardsormr is very, very similar to the summoning of the primals to fuel the Ragnarok on its trip to ultima thule, down to the same color scheme between primals and the big green beam.||

[dim sigil]

|| Final trial did somthing that other bosses should of done, uses big ultimate attack, we surivie shes like oh ok ill just do it agian ||

[main umbra]

Oh ic

[abstract harbor]

||she really just pressed ⏪ huh?||

[urban phoenix]

wow thats nearly as long than me i think i needed 8 hours with 2 half hour breaks at least

[astral trout]

She went ||Uh, uh, it's rewind time||

[main umbra]

@urban phoenix honestly it might have been 8-10 now i think about it. Took me from 2:45 am from where i left off to 2 pm

[gusty tartan]

87-90 took about 15 hours if i caculated right maybe + or - 5

[urban phoenix]

that was soooooo mean! my whole grp was like "ur kidding me" and total panic

[humble heron]

||goddamnit tank just lb3 again||

[urban phoenix]

i thought "okay our bar fills up too...right? RIGHT?!"

[gusty tartan]

||just use dynamis to refuel the gauge kekw||

[abstract harbor]

sprout dps uses lb1 as soon as it's up

[dim sigil]

Que anime power of friendship

[gusty tartan]

we legit almost died because someone almost did a range lb3

[dim sigil]

Do you need to even save lb3 for that, or can you use it before

[astral trout]

Wait now sprouts need to finish ShB to remove sprout?

[humble heron]

you have to save it and yes, info

[gusty tartan]

ye

[dim sigil]

Will add give lb3

[hollow ice]

yup gotta reach latest expac basically

[main umbra]

The whole level 90 trial was so cheesy and anime, but i loved it

[gusty tartan]

last trial gave me PSO2 vibes. ||Nihilism amirite||

[dim sigil]

Teeny tiny toy boat was the start of pso2 vibes

[gusty tartan]

if only NGS was as good ;-;

[main umbra]

I feel like each person represented one. ||Zenos, Wol, endbringer||

[humble heron]

you should tag spoilers, rapknife

[main umbra]

Mb didnt think people havent finish it would come here

[gusty tartan]

D: i totally forgot about unlocking flying. Frick

[humble heron]

flying isnt real

[main umbra]

Unloking flying took me 3 hours

[abstract harbor]

you guys think it's worth doing ||smileton and stigma dreamscape|| for 560 gear when we have the one that ||tataru gave us for free||?

[dim sigil]

Getting flying on the moon sucked

[gusty tartan]

you're not real. merely a creation spawned by creation magicks

[hollow ice]

the free range spoilers section is #916247709462200390

[humble heron]

not really

[main umbra]

Where we even get 560 accessories

[abstract harbor]

aight thanks

[hollow ice]

they both have minions tho

[gusty tartan]

90 dungeon. Tome and crafting if you dare

[dim sigil]

Tome gear is best rn i think

[main umbra]

Pain.

[humble heron]

you get 570 from tomestones and then i think 580 from the exs

[dim sigil]

Or ex i guess

[main umbra]

I got get earings and both rings like jesus

[gusty tartan]

gearing is the least of your worries. Think about leveling all those classes back to max. Wait no i guess they go hand in hand

[main umbra]

Dont really care for that honestly. I play drg, rpr, and whm. Good enough for for now.

Now crafter and gatherers... pain..

[dim sigil]

I hope the stone dragons are min spots

[real venture]

has anyone done the EX yet? How hard are they?

[gusty tartan]

I've heard accounts of it being harder than last tier of Savage from the previous expac but i dont play that content so what do i know

[main umbra]

Huh. That is not that bad i guess.

[humble heron]

i mean on level / gear EX trials will always be somewhat difficult

[main umbra]

Now if they compared it to e8s...

[humble heron]

its e4s except now there are two atvs

[main umbra]

Got ask how many did trust when they could. Like i did it for every time it was an option

[gusty tartan]

the whole darn expac except when they had to drag me to DF for the 90 trial

[humble heron]

i probably wont interact with the trust system

[main umbra]

Like i wont use it later on but for msq.

How could you not do the 76 i think it was dungeon as a trust.

[gusty tartan]

trust is rough especially when you're not paying attention and die

[dim sigil]

If you dont do lv87 and 89stuff with trusts your doing it wrong lmao

[main umbra]

^

[dim sigil]

Everything esle i did df with a friend

[main umbra]

For 90 dungeon ||after everything that had happen no way I couldn’t do trust with graha and twins||

[urban phoenix]

i did every dungeon with trusts first

just so i can learn the layout and mechanics before i have to deal with players

[next quarry]

The fun is in failing

[gusty tartan]

:) the best part about trust is just being monkey brain and following the pack. Monkey see Monkey do

[late aurora]

It began with graha and the twins, it’s ending with graha and the twins

[main umbra]

In the dungeon before 2nd trial. I chose 3 and then realized i would have do it again after what happened

[gusty tartan]

I did estinien so dirty with trust. He literally just sat in the corner and collected dust

[main umbra]

Estinien was first dungeon for me

[late aurora]

I only did trusts on 87 and 90

90 because I was not gonna wait on people

[main umbra]

Can we talk about cutscene in ||oldsharlyan at 82||. Made me squeal

[gusty tartan]

spoiler it but yeah

[humble heron]

I guess I'm a healer so I didn't ever need to do trusts because queue was instant

[main umbra]

Its not about queue time. Its about the boys

[dim sigil]

Try being a reaper que times 💀

[main umbra]

Played reaper to 90 :p

[gusty tartan]

cant have queue time if you use trusts taps forehead

[tulip geyser]

There was no way in hell I wasnt gonna do ||Ktesis|| the first time not Trusted
||I loved them all, fite with me!||

[main umbra]

True

[gusty tartan]

||something about Venat's eyes really got me. Like they're so goddamn beautiful. I could get lost in those eyes||

[dim sigil]

|| It's nice there's something to set them apart other than just being big hyurs they got werid eyes ||

[main umbra]

||Final zenos fight got look so dumb if u’re a lalafell||

[dim sigil]

Prob even wrose if your monk

[gusty tartan]

||nah it just establishes how built a lalafell is compared to the standard man||

[main umbra]

||Thats kinda a woke answer||

[gusty tartan]

||its been my headcannon since I made an alt and played tank||

[dim sigil]

Such a shame you cant re-watch it in inn

[humble heron]

even tually youll be able to ng+ it

[gusty tartan]

just relive it vicariously through a youtube video

[main umbra]

Oh wait you can’t damn.

I took so many screenshots man. I took at least 200 screenshots from 89-90

[gusty tartan]

but at that point you're better off watching ||MGS4 Liquid vs Snake instead||

[main umbra]

It isnt the same

[viscid monolith]

People have figured out how to kill Ascians before

[slender siren]

No way….. now Bungie!!?? Bruh is Square Enix the only good dev company now?

[inner ice]

does the laby zone music change after 87 msq?

im getting the || final days || song on repeat, it's quite annoying. i prefer the laby music

[real venture]

is this pre split I wonder?

[slender siren]

After

[real venture]

interesting, so this would be the non-microsoft side of the company then?

[slender siren]

Maybe

We don’t know how it was when Microsoft was with them

[lean ore]

they have improved over the years but yeah, square enix isnt "clean" either tho

least not their western branch

[lean ore]

oh and most of those cases are pre-split

[slender siren]

Damn!! For several years

[vital brook]

lewd

[slender siren]

So it has been pre split holy shit

[lean ore]

most of it is from halo 3 days, but they have been improving over the recent years

[viscid monolith]

Fun fact all office workplaces have toxic environments

[vernal nacelle]

Oh god, so I just got to the explanation in ||Elpis about Aether/Dynamis and Hermes talking about the things they could do if only Dynamis could be harnessed and OH GOD HE DID IT DIDN'T HE, HE ACCIDENTALLY STARTED THE FINAL DAYS DOING SOME DYNAMIS EXPERIMENT DIDN'T HE?!||

[lean ore]

least from ppl i know working there thats the case also what Lance said

[lean ore]

keep playing

[slender siren]

||That’s not the cause lol play more||

[real venture]

I suspect under a bigger company like MS, lots of that had to die as they aren't about that crap

[broken kettle]

So the narrator when you walk into Garlemald is Ardbert yes ?

[uncut mica]

bro just keep playing instead of coming here to spoil yourself

[half phoenix]

||no||

[indigo shale]

||no, its emet selch, as he recounts his time as solus||

[broken kettle]

Ooooh okay, didn't understand why he would see it through my eyes

[lean ore]

|| Emet narrates like the entire expansion xD ||

[ember forum]

So when are post- expansion stories released usually

How long to wait after main msq release

[half phoenix]

3 months or so

[gaunt star]

90006 90006 90006 90006 90006 90006 90006 90006 90006 90006 90006 90006 90006 90006 90006 90006 90006 90006 90006 90006 90006 90006

FUCK SQUARE ENIX SUB CANCELED I CANT EVEN PLAY

[humble heron]

6.1 in julius Caesar dies month or April fools month

[vital brook]

Im playing

[ember forum]

Think the twleve alliance raid will be tied to msq?

[humble heron]

No

Alliance raids havent been with the exception of CT

[lean ore]

it will probably be tied

[half phoenix]

And even at release CT wasn’t connected

[lean ore]

|| Emet mentions finding out about the Twelves identity, and well.. ||

[half phoenix]

They have no reason to tie Myths of the Realm into MSQ besides just sn unlock flag

[humble heron]

The twelve game directors

Yoshi p and koji are both boss fights

[lean ore]

https://tenor.com/view/mori-calliope-calling-me-a-liar-gif-20324345

[vital brook]

Nah, last raid boss is Dante from Devil May Cry

[gusty tartan]

Nah its red chocobo from critically acclaimed mmorpg final fantasy 14

[humble heron]

It cant be dante, they'd have to put the sticker on the ew cover

[half phoenix]

||Yes, because it’s future stuff we have no idea about. He also mentioned effectively Eldorado, which most likely will just be a future treasure dungeon||

[vital brook]

We'll get the sticker on patch 6.1

[limpid lintel]

so is qih aliapoh related at all to the two aliapoh we already are familiar with?

the one quest i got from her didn't mention it

[half phoenix]

Doubtful

[gaunt star]

im so disappointed in the fact that so many endgame dungeons are accessory only

[vital brook]

I dont believe so, aliapoh is a fairly common last name

[half phoenix]

That’s normal for x.0.

[gaunt star]

yeah but there's so many cool dungeons and they have cool concepts for gear imo

[half phoenix]

Their armor is the non-limited tome gear, which is immediately replaced by raid gear

[hollow sapphire]

Is it possible to obtain Zenos's scythe?

[half phoenix]

I mean, before they were only doing 1 dungeon a patch, each patch’s dungeons would share the same armor models despite not being connected in any way

[gusty tartan]

No, not to my knowledge

[half phoenix]

Hell, all 3 x.0 dungeons in each expansion all give the same set of accessories, despite not being connected

[hollow ice]

minions

[grand olive]

Hii, does anyone know which of the level 90 dungeons is the quickest to run for tomes?

[gaunt star]

minions don't count smh

[gusty tartan]

You think they'll ever give us Forum robes?

[gaunt star]

well they do but they're not cool ||omega themed armor like we could have had||

[main umbra]

@grand olive personally felt like omega one was faster.

[grand olive]

Okie, thanks :D!

[half phoenix]

That’s obviously going to be the cash shop.

Also have they recycled raid gear at all (besides crafted copies) for dungeons??

[gusty tartan]

I feel like they did for some ARR and HW alliance raid gear but I'm going go with a no on that one

[gaunt star]

yes, in mt gulg

[main umbra]

Im sad we never got sin eater related armor

[short edge]

Sameee

[real venture]

What are these quest names man...

[lean ore]

ez to read

[late aurora]

What can’t you read ||Greek||?

[real venture]

its more of the why, less of the what

[main umbra]

Didnt take greek in highschool. What a loser

[digital hearth]

I wanted too come back too FFXIV, i was wondering how the state of Ninja is? (how is the dmg? and new rotation compared to shadowbringer)

[timber lichen]

since we killed ||hydaelyn do we lose the blessing of light or what||

[humble heron]

I think so

[gusty tartan]

Probably gonna have to wait on the loremasters for that one

[real venture]

|| KEEP YOUR HEAD ON YOUR BODY PLEASE ||

[main umbra]

@timber lichen|| i think the blessing was always just her protection from foreign aether, so we keep that. and dynamis was us just pushing beyond the limit||

[steady valve]

||3 ways I can see it, either its a permabuff, the crystal got buffed, or we lose it entirely and rely on the wards||

[lean ore]

|| doubt it ||

[timber lichen]

||but she said it was a spell thing that she put on us and i thought that spells wear off when the person dies?||

[vital brook]

I can still hear it... the hiss followed by the explosions and the countless wipes

[lean ore]

|| then we wouldnt be able to track Meteion, since she casted a tracking spell on her and yet the crystal worked still ||

[main umbra]

@timber lichen ||i dont think so ot enchantments would be hella wack if the owner died||

Also what satho said is good point

[blazing edge]

this is still here

[timber lichen]

||but venat didnt die she just became hydaelyn?||

[timber lichen]

||yda said her neck tattoo dissolved because papalymo was gone for good and ryne said in narration that amaurot would eventually disappear after we beat emet||

[lean ore]

||point is how did we lose the blessing of light if the tracking spell venat/hydaelyn casted was still active when she died? ||

[lean ore]

|| aetheric spell, ofc it dissolved ||

[timber lichen]

oh you mean that, idk nobody brought it up in the story so im just confused lol

[maiden idol]

So the most expensive teleportation cost is 2178 gil, still not a lot

[short edge]

It’s cheaper to go to the moon than to the Far East

[main umbra]

Lul

[timber lichen]

its cheaper to ||literally go back in time||

[short edge]

LOL

[azure epoch]

Speaking of things introduced in Stormblood.

Does anyone have any tips or guides regarding new spearfishing locations? Because there's apparently five places to stab fish in the Lochs (terrible name, by the by, since it's just the one loch) now, when historically there were but four.

[gleaming bough]

|| damn, that instance where wol is inside an imperial soldier body ||

[main umbra]

||It really wakes up how trash garleans grunts ||are

[lethal nebula]

anyone have an album of all currently available scythes

[gleaming bough]

majority of the scythe look good

even the basic vendor one

[tulip geyser]

||If anything its good perspective for the WoL to keep in mind.
"Boy it sure sucks not being a main character." ||

[maiden idol]

And why the hell is there no tin ore from the mat supplier in old sharlayan

[maiden idol]

Yes oddly enough 😂

[lethal nebula]

i guess the padjali war scythe will do for now

[gleaming bough]

The glowy one?

[lethal nebula]

super glowy one

[half phoenix]

I mean... i can get there for free without an aetheryte

[gleaming bough]

Or the dark red glowy one?

[lethal nebula]

a bit blinding though. kinna is the dark red one

but i need the padjali to get the kinna one anyway, but im like, ~40 weapon/armor levels away from the 6 required

padjali weapons are so bright though lmao

[vernal nacelle]

Damn I didn't think it was possible to become underleveled for the MSQ anymore. Just got to a point where I need 87 and I'm not quite there yet.

[half phoenix]

Limsa-Gold Saucer-Uldah-||Central Than-Eastern Than-South Shroud-East Shroud-Fringe-Peaks-Lochs-Garlemald-Mare Lamentorum|| boom not 1 gil spent

[short edge]

Wha? I’m 90 and doing 86 quest haha. Have you been doing roulettes?

[main umbra]

If u dont do roulettes u will be underlevel

[short edge]

They did say that the exp from msq will be adjusted at some point tho

[half phoenix]

The Kinna scythe looks terrible though. Check the HoH one

[gusty gate]

any loot tables for these 6.0 dungeons?

[trail yarrow]

To anyone who finished it already, how long would you sat 6.0 msq is? Like, around how many hours

[turbid helm]

Took me about 25+ hours

[weary quiver]

it took around 40 for me

and i did not do things such as aether currents or side quests

[dire trench]

I think I'm around 35h in currently (but I've done a few other bits like my levelling roulettes). I've just reached the last area

[humble heron]

@trail yarrow about 34 hrs including some roulettes

[trail yarrow]

Hmmm... so about 3 days of my regular game time
Good to know. Thanks! Gotta peace out due to spoilers

[blazing edge]

also i just realized that SCH don't slap the floor with their book anymore

[thorny sleet]

feature, the vocals come slowly while you do the msq there, from without till you have it clearly near the end/after

[harsh nimbus]

||does anyone know know the endsingers numbers or whatever in textools??|| last trial spoilers

[hardy wind]

Holy shit I just realized ||the scene where Hydaelyn stops the 2nd summoning of zodiark|| has the exact same music as the ARR 2.0 trailr

That can not be a coincidence.

[indigo shale]

welll ofc its not a coincidence, answers is Hydaelyns theme song after all, its why pretty much ||most scenes with venat in elpis plays answers aswell||

[inner ice]

|| ALPHA ||

[serene cliff]

"Collar them" WTF?!

[livid oracle]

should I queue for MSQ roulette with sophists robe and namaze head? y/n

[indigo shale]

Yeah

[vague forum]

||Zodiark|| EX humbled my ass

I keep hitting enrage

[half phoenix]

.... it’s a directed story... there’s no coincidences....

The only “coincidences” are stuff happening outside of the game, like if there was a female soldier named Fordola IRL who was getting a chance to redeem war crimes

[tired apex]

This game's jokes are 10/10

[brisk quail]

Ah yes lets program a cutscene and OOPPS i accidentally loaded the files and typed the code to make the song play. Dangit....

[brisk quail]

Wym? It's not too rough

[slender siren]

Ending spoiler

Why is every game ending a long story arc

FF XIV, Wow and Destiny

[dim sigil]

|| is she just around now? ||

[slender siren]

||Who||

[dim sigil]

|| blue bird girl ||

Or is that one flying just a metaphor

[slender siren]

||Oh lol yes||

[dim sigil]

|| kind of terrifying ||

[slender siren]

||I mean she knows the beauty of life now||

[dim sigil]

For now

[vital brook]

I found it!, the song ||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69x65DsUTcU|| It's spoiler, but THIS SHIT MADE ME CRY

[lean ore]

|| eh shes fine now ||

[unreal delta]

fuck man. I cant believe all this fucking began because lahabrea showed himself in fucking totorak

[lean ore]

xD

[viscid monolith]

I thought this all began because || Fandaniel asked an AI a stupid fucking question ||

[blazing edge]

yes

[unreal delta]

i mean true. but we got involved all because of Totorak.

[slender siren]

||indeed even Emet said the question was extremely flawed||

[viscid monolith]

Ok so my next question is

[unreal delta]

||because it was a flawed question. He expected an answer and the answer he got was "No ones alive to answer it"||

[viscid monolith]

||Why does Meteion even have this much power||

[slender siren]

||that’s when she thought “well I guess ppl like death so..”||

[dim sigil]

|| She's just a persona final boss bringing death cuz its what humanity wants i guess ||

[slender siren]

Final lvl 90 ||best choice ever||

[unreal delta]

||Dynamis is inherently influenced by emotion. Dynamis encompasses a majority of the energy out in space. Meteion is an Enteleky, meaning she is influenced by emotion and made of Dynamis. The sorrow and pain of millions of deaths and the tragedy of multiple entire planets and civilizations manifested and infected the emotions of Meteion into pure Nihilism. I've not seen the full thing yet but, considering Meteion is now out in space, and space is MOSTLY dynamis, she literally has access to a nigh endless font of dynamis out in space||

[dim sigil]

|| I wonder doubt if dynamis was ever a thing beore they wrote ew ||

[hollow sapphire]

This expansion has used the "several cutscenes will play in secuence" warning more than any other expansion lol

[unreal delta]

||Likely, but not fully fleshed out. atm its currently a new discovery for us thats backfitting into what we thought was aether, but is actually Dynamis||

||Like Dark Knight Magicks are basically Dynamis.||

|| any aether we've seen in the story thats been influenced by emotion, has actually been dynamis||

||Like how GaBu summoned titan and his emotions triggered it. I theorize that titan was technically a Dynamis corrupted primal||

[slender siren]

Bring him back for 6.1 plz

[viscid monolith]

|| Why is emotional energy out in space where no life exists ||

[unreal delta]

||shrug||

[dire trench]

||Said aether is the abnormality, not dynamis

Majority of the universe is Dynamis, only a minority is aether||

[unreal delta]

||But it seems like Aether and Dynamis are magnetic opposites, they repel eachother||

[frigid pecan]

I’m new to discord but I took like two weeks to buckle down on work and now with endwalker I just am appalled

[unreal delta]

||oh yeah thats true. Etheirys is an abnormal planet with vast reserves of aether. I think other planets might actually use dynamis, or other things as a source of power||

[frigid pecan]

Lol like whhhhat

[unreal delta]

Its an MMO launch

[hollow ice]

of a popular mmo

[jade relic]

game too popular

[unreal delta]

did you ever see the 20k+ queues for classic wow?

[viscid monolith]

|| That can't be true. Dragons and Omnicrons use aether as well ||

[dire trench]

I'd strongly recommend you avoid this channel if you're new to EW😛

This channel is full of spoilers for EW

[frigid pecan]

Naw I dipped out of wow and moved to Nagoya 😅

[unreal delta]

like. These are pretty decent queues for an MMO.

[hollow ice]

im going to just guess you fairly new to mmos and havent experienced launch ques

[unreal delta]

||thats 2 planets out of millions||

[frigid pecan]

Its usually like 30-35 it’s never been this bad to just logon

[viscid monolith]

Oh ya fair point

[unreal delta]

yeah. because its an mmo launch

[static sedge]

favorite screenshot from my journey

[frigid pecan]

Not ever this bad

[unreal delta]

youve never played other mmos then

[static sedge]

i title it, ||four beings from four eras||

[hollow ice]

new world
world of warcraft
heck even gw2

[frigid pecan]

Never had a queue in wow this long. Must have happened when I left

Its just interesting

[hollow ice]

you were probably logging in during times when less people are awake

[unreal delta]

I played ArcheAge Unchained on launch. I could log on in the morning, and still be in the queue when i came back from school

[unreal delta]

...wow has had worse queues than this.

[frigid pecan]

That’s horrible.

[dim sigil]

Either played in dead hours or never experienced a launch

[vague forum]

The queue number? Honestly this is not bad at all.
But how long it takes to move the queue is just insane in FF14

[unreal delta]

The queues and stuff for Endwalker, compared to other mmos, is not bad at all

[frigid pecan]

You know what I think you are right. I’ve had long queues but it moves a lot faster than this

[vague forum]

I am yet to play an mmo, besides 14, where it takes 40+ minutes to get into the game from Q number 400

[dire trench]

1h for 1.5k ppl seems to be around about how it moves for me

[dim sigil]

I play somw gw2 solo but as for other actual mmos all i care about is XI

[frigid pecan]

Whattttt? Maybe it’s my choice of world? Excalibur has always been considered “full”

[static sedge]

remember the heavensward trial meme? we need people to start un-hearing about it

[vague forum]

Nah, that was me playing a bit before server prime time

[static niche]

is launcher broken today?

[static sedge]

everything was fine and dandy then BOOM we got meme-d on by meme

[static niche]

[vague forum]

FF14 devs are probably not used to WOW launch numbers

[humble heron]

if youve got time off, wake up early in the mornings and youll have like 0 queue

[static niche]

oh it's fixed now. that took fooooooorever

[frigid pecan]

I haven’t been gaming as much as I did when I was younger… but I’ve been getting back in the past few months lol

[vague forum]

And since the great exodus, from wow to FF, yoshi and crew were not prepared for what’s to come

[vague forum]

I don’t fault them tbh, but I’m not here gonna siddown and pretend that this launch is amazing by any metric tbqh… besides the actually content, it’s amazing as fuck

[slender siren]

[dim sigil]

Ive been able to get in fine, just have hour long ques

[static sedge]

no one was expecting blizzard to fuck up as badly as it did, with how popular shadowlands launch was

[pseudo quiver]

so uh any dataminers here see any cool level 1 glam pieces?

[vague forum]

Funnily enough, I know some wow fans (that are sticking wow) who are completely bitter about content creators like Preach and Bellular jumping to FF

[static sedge]

wow's biggest selling point is the class customization and the dungeons/raids

FFXIV's is the story, and that requires a lot of reading some people aren't willing to commit

[jovial kernel]

U forget about the selling point of nostalgia

[vague forum]

Gonna make a bit of a controversial take here

But WOW (at least IMO) plays better than FF, as far as server tics and AOEs are concerned.
I blame that on 1.0 residual spaghetti coding, dunno how true that statement is

But I don’t really think it matters how well an mmo plays, if it feels like shit when you play the game itself

[static sedge]

i mean yeah that goes with the point of dungeons and raids

[viscid monolith]

Don't forget all jobs on one character

[static sedge]

but then you have things like faction imbalance, crafters being limited per character, PVP/PVE worlds, population issues, covenants that end up requiring multiple characters

[vague forum]

All jobs on one character is overall a positive thing.

But at the same time, the way glamor and mount collection in 14 works.
You have no reason to roll an alt, even if it’s to roll an alt on another DC

[viscid monolith]

Oh sorry I thought we were comparing selling points

[hollow ice]

I think the you can step in an aoe after the circle dissapears thing just needs getting used to but is a good feature overall and allows for some interesting chaotic mechanics

[vague forum]

I mean, if we’re comparing selling points.
14 has WOW beat by far

[pseudo quiver]

Wow has a better story wdym

[static sedge]

that's just because WoW's expansions are more of a replacement to the game rather than expanding the game

[pseudo quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/pewdiepie-9year-old-army-t-gay-congratulations-for-legal-reasons-thats-a-joke-gif-13924557

[vague forum]

Raids and amazing dungeons, better combat better collection system… that’s it for wow. Oh also nostalgia, that’s one hell of a drug.
Literally everything else: FF14 had it beat

And even for Raids/Trials, FF14 is not lacking by any metric

[static sedge]

PvP

[vague forum]

Oh yeah, forgot about PVP.
Even when unbalanced WOW PvP is just better than FF’s

[pseudo quiver]

I'm actually blown away by the dungeons in this expac

[static sedge]

yeah i was expecting doom and gloom throughout this expansion

[pseudo quiver]

Dunno if wow can top it but shit like smileton was beautiful

[humble heron]

hi sarah hows it going

[vague forum]

It’s visually impressive, but it’s still the same old “run a straight line and W2W”

[pseudo quiver]

Tower of babil was beautiful

[pseudo quiver]

Heeeelllo Mr zooks did u finish ew

[humble heron]

yes i finished it sunday, actually

[vague forum]

I’ll say though, the dungeons in 14 are visually impressive.

“That, I can’t deny”

[humble heron]

im gonna punch you for that one

[pseudo quiver]

I like the format of ffxiv dungeons, w2w straight line then some interesting bosses

I do think the bosses got a bit harder then shb

[gaunt star]

In 81 dungeon before the 3rd boss, there are 1 pack of mobs, 1 large mob, 1 pack of mobs, ..., and I think there isn't a wall that separates them. What is the best strategy to go? I went with 2 packs + 1 large mob, but I could sense that the healer was struggling.

[static sedge]

wow's biggest issue is the horde vs alliance thing that has been going on and is still going on