retired-patch-6-3-discussion

[vague forum]

Wait, people complete the non-blue side quests?!

[vital brook]

eh, may aswell take that EXP

[wet summit]

that one time there's a filler arc in ew and the badass music starts playing while you casually talk to npcs

[vital brook]

That's where im at rn

[jade relic]

im planning to do all sidequests once ive run out of other thingfs to do

[wet summit]

rip

the very fun "FIND 8 PEOPLE IN THIS HUGE AREA" quest

[vital brook]

EPIC MUSIC
Scenario? Give a tour to ||the loporrits||

[vague forum]

||Ngl, close in the distance playing as the overworld theme for the sixth zone is kinda insane||

||Sang by the same dude who sang the most memeable song “rules of nature”||

[wet summit]

||the sixth zone is without exaggeration my favorite zone in the entire game. everything about it is fucking nuts||

[humble heron]

I like zone 5 better

[astral trout]

Zone 5 spoiler ||How did Emet know how tall are different races?||

[vague forum]

||Zone 5 had an amazing story, and I was fanboying over it from start to finish.
But the music for zone 6 is just better.||

[vital brook]

i havent unlocked Zone 6 yet

[wet summit]

you're in for an emotional rollarcoaster

[astral trout]

DON'T LOL

No actually unlock it I'm just kidding

[wet summit]

one of the fates is called dead inside which perfectly sums up how i felt going through the zone

[vague forum]

Before you go to the final zone, keep a box of tissues nearby

I know I’m glad I had it on me.

[next quarry]

suffering

[wet summit]

this is why i leveled tank to 90 first

[vague forum]

Wow, that perfectly sums up the last 8 years of my life… which is basically 18-26

[astral trout]

PLD is my MSQ player

[inner ice]

holy FUCK this story is goddamn wild

the writers had to be on some mind altering shit right

[humble heron]

This is really the dark souls of final fantasy 14

[vague forum]

Just you wait until Endwalker goes ||full anime||

[inner ice]

me no click

[wet summit]

i always do the msq with WAR it just feels right

[vague forum]

I did EW with a DRG

It just felt right, since this was the “FFIV expansion”

[next quarry]

i did it with DRG since I needed to learn a melee

[vague forum]

I guess in hindsight I should have gone PLD, but hey… Kaine’s a cool lad

[wet summit]

i always like to play a tank because imo it makes doing trusts the easiest

and i like to do trusts my first time through expansion dungeons

[humble heron]

I did it with whm because im boring

[astral trout]

[END TRIAL] ||And that TANK LB3|| felt so good

[humble heron]

However i was much appreciated by the parties i was in

[next quarry]

I wish I could do expert roulette with trusts

[vague forum]

Speaking of not-kaine, ||had Estinien drop by during the second time at the inn where you could chose who would potentially drop by your room||

[gaunt star]

so do guys have any theories as to where we heading next? ||Meracydia? ||

[vague forum]

Pandamoneum

[humble heron]

I think thats a given

[gaunt star]

I mean, for the 7.0 setup i mean hahaha

[astral trout]

lvl 90 deep dungeon LETSGO

[vague forum]

Could be ||meracydia||.
I was thinking they could leave that for 6.x but then I remembered, they don’t introduce new zones in .x patches

[vague forum]

Pog

[gaunt star]

Do we have any idea what's there aside from it's where some of the dragons are?

[vague forum]

||Speaking of pog moments, third trial phase 2 was just pure adrenaline||

[vague forum]

That’s all we got.

[glad maple]

Has anyone gotten error 3001? It’s saying the world is full please wait for an opening but why does it not put me in a Que?

[vague forum]

World is so full it doesn’t even want you in Q
🤣

[glad maple]

Idk what to do it keeps taking me thereXD

[glad maple]

I been waiting for so long only to get that to pop😂

[vague forum]

Rip

[wet mountain]

More trust w trials

[vague forum]

I found a personal workaround for my problem with ff.
Just create an alt in JP DC; and when I can’t log in on my main I can play on my alt… cuz godfuckingdammit I wanna play ff

[glad maple]

Dammit it’s not letting me get in Que, even when I exist

[static niche]

why is the ||add phase that type of rush for you?||

[uncut mica]

Maybe this explains why there's an American in the FC I'm in

[vague forum]

😐
😐
😐

[static niche]

❤️

[vague forum]

||Quick question, anyone got a newfound appreciation for answers after Endwalker?||

[undone zodiac]

I'm in Europe and have my character in NA. Gotta love the 4 people queues in the morning

[jade relic]

im in australia and same

[undone zodiac]

Thanks for the free 7 days Yoshi-P

[jade relic]

200ms ping is ass tho

[undone zodiac]

No ping issues on my side

I can double weave easily

[jade relic]

mine is a symptom of being in australia and playing on NA. I can do stuff but sometimes im out of an aoe on my screen but still get hit

[vague forum]

I mean answers was always top tier, ||but after Endwalker I can’t see it the same way again||

[undone zodiac]

I never had that lol

[vague forum]

Btw which DC has tonberry?

[undone zodiac]

Crystal right?

[humble heron]

Tonberry is jp

[next quarry]

its a JP server

[vague forum]

JP dc

Anyways rolled alt on that DC but couldn’t roll a character in tonberry

The thing I do to play this game when I can’t play on my main…. Rip

[glad maple]

I literary can’t log in now lol. Like how can I wait for an opening if it don’t put me in a Que?

[humble heron]

Log in earlier is all i can offer

[undone iris]

can you offer me a hug?

[humble heron]

@undone iris

[split forum]

Having completed || Stigmascape ||, I get why Middy fled

[astral trout]

I logged in 5-6 AM easy, I didn't even try to login after 10am. Late night also works

[hollow ice]

right? ||it was basically attack of the cybermen||

[static niche]

so tank role quest last quest was surprisingly good

[wet mountain]

Que not moving

[hazy apex]

||Hell yeah finally got me Zenos 1v1||

[static niche]

||it actually require you to have silence role action :B||

||fuck this got me excited.||

[glad maple]

Can I get one too cause I can’t even get into Que

[humble heron]

@glad maple

[uncut mica]

I was just thinking back to the moment right at the end ||when the Scions ask you what you're going to be doing, fuck I have so much shit I need to do, I should set up a to-do list||

[uncut mica]

The physical ranged one was great

[static niche]

but ||it's kan-e-senna openly suggesting she's available||

||maximum horny||

[uncut mica]

||Gosetsu finding new life through becoming a healer, and fucking off to a new journey||

[static niche]

oh ||he returns? nice||

[uncut mica]

Just makes me wish the quests had VA, but it would be rather hard and expensive to get all of that sorted out

[static niche]

you know what's next for role quest next expansion right? dating simulation :V

[uncut mica]

It's easy to forget but Endwalker was pretty much mostly developed before the huge boom happened, and budgeting happens even before that

There's no way the WoL is ever going to date anyone in the story, it would feel weird having your character be forcibly attracted to anyone, and it would go against the marriage system in-game

[static niche]

simple, make it possible to marry npc too

poly is allowed you know :^>

[uncut mica]

Hell, ||if they're making party finder and limit break part of the lore||, I wouldn't be surprised if at some point there was an MSQ quest with extra dialog options if you're married to another player

Maybe the twins could throw some digs at you for getting married or something

[gaunt star]

Insert G'raha disappearing for the rest of the game after hearing the WoL is married

[undone zodiac]

I swear the 2nd trial with trusts is impossible lol

[hollow ice]

you get 3 free downs for yourself

I believe in you

[undone zodiac]

Bruh

[uncut mica]

It's not bad after you get it

[undone zodiac]

they didn't stack LOL

[uncut mica]

... That's every fight isn't it. Every fight is hard until you get it.

[hollow ice]

they stack in a specific spot not on you

[glad maple]

Finally I got into a fucking Que lol

[vale gazelle]

||I had to main tank, because Thancred keep wiping the group with tank buster cone.||

[hollow ice]

work with the ai not against it and it basically just becomes solely a mechanics issue

[undone zodiac]

The ai is actually shit though.

[uncut mica]

I used trust for the last dungeon before the last trial. Healer and DPS yeeted themselves into a beam, I had to dance around the place with the boss having like 9% left on it still, and the tank does like zero damage

[hollow ice]

mine got me through first try XD

[gaunt star]

I know some people already finished thier ew msq...I wonder how they lvling other class 80 to 90? I still not done all ew msq yet but I wonder how to lvl up other class from 80 to 90

[hollow ice]

im doing fates/roulettes/dungeon spam as usual

[gaunt star]

fate at new maps?

[hollow ice]

yeah but mostly for the gems cuz I want the stuff from the fate gem vendors
im also doing hunts which is an extra bit of exp as well as nuts for cosmetics

[gaunt star]

oh yeah I noticed those gems from fates but idk how its using

[hearty ravine]

What ilv i should be for the ex trials?

[hollow ice]

youll notice theres a icon with a bag with a gemstone on it on your minimap and an npc with a very rounded version of the basic quest marker just talk to them and it opens the store then do 60 fates in the area and you get an expanded set of wares

[fleet plaza]

560-570, so the highest you can get right now.

[native sapphire]

can some1 explain the ||final days? I havent finished MSQ, I am at the solving aetherburner problem etc. Is it meteion collecting vast amounts of negative emotion or is it Zodiark dying? which of the two is the trigger? Mention me if you can answer and try to use information I have learned at this point of MSQ, thank you||

[hollow ice]

||so zodiark was literally being used to hold back the dynamis that metion was using to cause the final days and destroying him undid the "firewall" so to say allowing metion to resume her attack||

[native sapphire]

WOAH

damn..

so those 2 are closely connected, very interesting

goddamn, this ew msq is absolutely amazing

[hollow ice]

yes ||zodiark being summoned is a direct response to metions final days attempt using dynamis||

[late aurora]

||hydalean is a counter to Zodiark||, and it all comes together

[hoary frost]

There is already some quest where you can say you already have someone or that you're married, although iirc they're side-quest.

[native sapphire]

and here again you mean that ||meteion is using dynamis yes? zodiark was just summoned using vast amounts of aether||

[hoary frost]

||Zodiark's purpose was to fill those weak spot in the celestial aether currents which is where the dynamis was stronger and the spots where the apocalypse would get triggered.||

[native sapphire]

and what would happen if ||zodiark wasn't jailed?||

[glossy hemlock]

I’m free

[hazy apex]

This is the best videogame of all time

[native sapphire]

daaaaaaaam

[native sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/mcdonalds-im-lovin-it-logo-golden-arches-gif-14733897

[timber lichen]

i still dont know what the giant rectangle on the EW logo is supposed to be

[hazy apex]

probablt an old concept design for ||ragnarok||

[hollow ice]

the ||og plan of the ancients will just go as planned||

[hoary frost]

||If Zodiark wasn't Jailed we'd be in deep troubles, we're not the ancient and Zodiark only exist to protect the ancient and his core being Elidibus... big oof.||

[native sapphire]

technically it's zelda ocarina of time if we listen to reviews

[agile needle]

I feel like the only one that wishes|| Lyse was still a scion||

[native sapphire]

but singleplayer ain't for me

[grave bison]

anyone else sitting in a queue that's not moving at all? I've been at 879 for like 20 minutes now

[blazing sluice]

Finally finished MSQ . I can finally play the game

Hello gamers

[hoary frost]

It's an excellent game but there's been better game since that time especially story-wise.

[gloomy estuary]

do yall know if it's ||emet-selch|| narrating the cutscenes? I think it's his voice but I can't place a voice without a face

[hoary frost]

||Yes, he's the narrator||

[agile needle]

It’s him, ||but it’s also Hythlodaeus too for Ultima Thule||

[floral prawn]

guys I got a shadowbringers question, in ||Shb half of the ancients sacrificed themselves to summon Zodriark, what happened to the other half of the ascians and what caused their extinction||?

[agile needle]

I think I could be wrong now that I think about it

[floral prawn]

without endwalker spoilers if possible

[hoary frost]

||One half was sacrified for the summoning, half of the remaining was additionally sacrified to him later on, a few more were sacrified to summon hydaelyn and a lot died to the apocalypse it's all explained in Shb.||

[floral prawn]

Oh I got it, thanks

[neat monolith]

Just finished MSQ and ngl ||I would just pretent there are no scenes with Zenos in the MSQ, this sucker wasn't nessesery at all after Zodiark end||

[gloomy estuary]

Estinien, you should be lucky that you're pretty.

[static niche]

||9400 gils for a hairband yeah a steal xd||

[hoary frost]

The irony is that we, players, pay more for an hairstyle method on marketboard.

[gloomy estuary]

Sadly you are very correct

[neat monolith]

Can't fight the feeling that ending ||sucks cause too much drama out of nowhere (I mean who belived that they are gone) and Zenos, but music and Ancient trio makes it so much enjoyable||

[hoary frost]

The game want us to believe he's being tricked but we know it's a cheap deal compared to what we used to.

[neat monolith]

such a surprise that ||Venat|| is my new waifu

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TJeh5Tcb-U|| amazing piece

[hoary frost]

||The game don't try to trick you into believing they are gone. You're told that a figment of their soul remain and that it's possible to bring them back with Azem's crystal. It's more that you don't know WHEN you're going to bring them back, that's why the twins are worried about you. ||

[neat monolith]

I still feel like it was too pushed as a moment, too much drama and scope but it is nothing compared to ||such a waste of screentime was Zenos||

[hollow ice]

to add to this ||the og plan as told to us is use half the ancients to summon zodiark and fix the world, then use the new life that thrives on the planet to trade for the people that were used to summon zodiark basically leaving the ancients with their old world and people and the power of zodiark to protect it||

[static niche]

you know what's a missed opportunity? ||fighting zenos in our body in solo duty trust content||

[neat monolith]

final fight ||with Zenos was so cringe and Death Strandingish||

[indigo shale]

||it was better than the trial though ||

[hoary frost]

||To me the final fight with zenos is a waste and the stain on endwalker, the only minus point i would give this expansion.||

[neat monolith]

ngl I was waiting that we would slice that sucker in a half in a cutscene or as a first boss in a first dungeon

[static niche]

imagine ||SB zenos walk in our body no selling scions attacks, and we have to endure and survive till body possession timer is up and special actions is required while we're in soldier body to challenge the limit.|| just 2 cent

[neat monolith]

I would just blame a lot of his fans

[indigo shale]

||hmm it was better than summoning emet again and hytlo, that part was stupid in ultma thule||

[hoary frost]

||I enjoyed it and it made more sense than Zenos final fight.||

[indigo shale]

||the azem stone has ruined this game imo||

[neat monolith]

damn, I loved that part so much XD

[static niche]

what's with all of you ||hating on zenos? he's a good character. he was main villain for SB then background character doing their 'PoV villain action' to contrast ours for SHB, then Moral question for US in EW||

[hoary frost]

||It give lore reason to have 7 companions for trials so while it's not the best, it's understandable.||

[hollow ice]

it sets up a possibility for a ||zenos ex ala memoria misera||

[neat monolith]

I think that it would be just a ||Hades ||fan club vs ||Zenos ||one

[indigo shale]

||as soon as hydaelyn blessed the zaem stone it was clear the final zone was going to be bad imo||

[static niche]

Dude... ||Hydaelyn is literally azem predecessor... tf you smoking||

[indigo shale]

||its the worst possible plot convinience, it was bad in 5.3 and its bad now||

[neat monolith]

he is just ||very strong and very stupid to have any reason, he is just like 10% Sephiroth and 90% idiot||

[indigo shale]

||that has nothing to with our azem stone though||

[hoary frost]

||Because he's a boring and bland villain in EW that even hildibrand villain are more compelling. He was alright in SB, i was intrigued when he was revived in post-sb, there's was logic in him being poster villain as a distraction from the main villain but the final fight against him is a stain that shouldn't have happened.||

[static niche]

||it does though. She is 'our' teacher.||

sad to see you two so blind by hate you fail to see the greatness.

[hollow ice]

did you mean ||90% tai lung from kung fu panda||

[indigo shale]

||he was the most interesting villain though, due to his nature the ascians were just generic empathy farms ||

[hoary frost]

||Any villain was more interesting than him, empathy or no.||

[static niche]

so i decided to ||replay the zenos in our body cutscene as reaper to see if the avatar changed. it did not.||

[indigo shale]

how about we agree to disagree, i dont think any of us are going to change our minds

[hollow ice]

I loved it ||he was basically forcing his way into our story for his own selfish reasons and then pokes at our own selfish desires for power and progress a bit, a bit of a humbling reminding us that we may be the hero of our story but someone elses trial||

[hoary frost]

I'd take another Nidhogg or Ilberd anytime over Zenos.

[static niche]

this is one of the reason why he's great, i honestly don't get these three

maybe they don't read enough books

[neat monolith]

ngl Ilberd became really deep character after I thought about what he had achived with your hands and at what cost

[hollow ice]

hes ||a surprisingly meta villain I guess they just felt called out||

[hoary frost]

||I already explained my point of view, my only issue is the final fight the rest was alright with zenos.||

[neat monolith]

he literally won a war without big bloodshed, involving you

[indigo shale]

zenos feels the most final fantasy villain we've had

[agile needle]

Better than whoever the fuck XV’s villain was

[static niche]

just what ||is wrong with the last fight? it's a great closure to his desire and your rivalry, after all he did help you with endsinger.||

[indigo shale]

ardyn was great

[static niche]

good question. from what i recall it was ifrit, lol emet double, pisselse

[next quarry]

||anyone know how long it takes for Chi to spawn after the fate before it||

[hoary frost]

||It's shoehorned in, unneeded and you can't even deny his ass. ||

[neat monolith]

there is no "your rivalry", it was his and you don;t give a damn mostly

[static niche]

||you can deny him though, just leave LMAO||

[neat monolith]

Hades on minimals, but yeah, great still

[indigo shale]

||did you miss the whole scene at the end, where its pretty much a confirmed rivalvry||

[fluid basalt]

they tried too hard ||with zenos||

[neat monolith]

I tried to ignore this blashemy

[hollow ice]

it was ardyn but theres like a very convoluted reason why hes doing all this something about being lied to

[agile needle]

||WAIT YOU COULD JUST LEAVE HIM THERE?! HOLY SHIT||

[static niche]

yeah there's a exit point

[neat monolith]

really feeled forced there, ngl

[static niche]

... did no one seriously see it?

[next quarry]

I enjoyed that last part with him

[indigo shale]

||well thats ultima thule for ya, tbh the whole final zone felt forced||

[agile needle]

I sure didn’t. lmao that would have been so funny

[neat monolith]

lol

[hoary frost]

||And i simply told him that he was getting tiring because that's all he was.||

[neat monolith]

I would replay and just leave than

[fluid basalt]

||he was barely relevant to the plot lmao||

[agile needle]

||Just have this hyped up moment, the final fight, but then you just fucking leave. ||

[neat monolith]

on that I would agree, I felt like it should be half of what it is now

[static niche]

||i means zenos did say he would accept it if you leave, so that was an option. kek||

[indigo shale]

||i doubt you can leave though you still have to fight him regardless||

[brisk quail]

👍

[static niche]

where was that from again

[indigo shale]

||or else the whole ending sequence wont happen youll just come back at a later time ||

[neat monolith]

YoRHA

[static niche]

that's the point. ||make him wait.||

[fluid basalt]

at least ||zenos is more relevant than yorha i guess||

[indigo shale]

||thats the FF14 problem time bubble, so he wont have waited any time all||

[neat monolith]

I dunno if that is a good thing tbh

[static niche]

the only bad thing i had regarding ||zenos final fight was that we DON'T GET TO SEE A CLOSE UP OF US PUNCHING HIM WTF.||

[neat monolith]

Yoshi P just loved Death Stranding I guess

[vale gazelle]

Bold prediction on future story: ||We're gonna travel back in time or to an alternate timeline and play as Azem.||

[static niche]

https://tenor.com/view/yu-yu-hakusho-yusuke-urameshi-taguro-punch-combat-gif-12253036

[zealous sentinel]

lv85: ||The scions being invited to a feast while WoL alone being invited to a private meeting|| gave me PTSD

[indigo shale]

||it was more mgs if yoshi took stuff from death stranding then i fear for this game, as it can only go down from taking inspiration from that game||

[neat monolith]

sadly no, new adventure awaits

[static niche]

he said future story

[neat monolith]

biggest PTSD this year was this one

[fluid basalt]

hmm why?

[neat monolith]

1.0 closing vibes

[fluid basalt]

i thought that ||body snatching sequence in garlemald|| was worse

[mint sail]

I sorta miss the initial ||Ultima Thule|| music ngl, in all its distortion and desolate-ness

[zealous sentinel]

Ah yes that too

[neat monolith]

vocal one is great still

[mint sail]

I'm still waiting to see when it becomes the vocal one, not lv90 yet

[hoary frost]

||Ultima Thule did a good job at making me feel uneasy all the way through.||

[mystic imp]

Any news about the release date for the soundtrack yet?

[fluid basalt]

is there a full version of the stormblood part of footfalls in the game?

[mystic imp]

Same. The moment we arrived I wanted to leave.

[mental tangle]

Ok no error 2002 but i ven on queie for lile 3 hous jesus

[hoary frost]

I guess the closest thing would be the boss theme of SB i think ?

[fluid basalt]

but then the ||Ea|| happened and all the ||tension kinda went away||

[neat monolith]

Okay, thank you all for this discussion. Realy helped me deal with my emotions after beating the MSQ. Good night and let this end would be walked with joy

[timber lichen]

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eP0MLkZFo18|| which quest was this again

[hoary frost]

Isn't it the quest where you can pick any character to visit you.

[fluid basalt]

that one night where you get to ||choose which character. after you left Urianger up on the moon||

[timber lichen]

yes

im asking for the quest name

[vital brook]

House leveilleur is the best cuz they got catgirls in butler suits

[fluid basalt]

but no males in maid outfits tsk

it's part of MSQ... can't avoid it. can't remember the name tho

[hoary frost]

I play in french so i can't tell you the quest name.

[timber lichen]

i found it nvm

[mental spear]

I've been lucky in avoiding queues for the last few days by getting on early - about how long does it take to wind through 4.2k people? Trying to determine if this is a 1 hour wait or a 5 hour one xD

[cosmic zodiac]

Can you actually do that tho? The quest objective tells us to || defeat him ||

[hollow ice]

3-4 maybe less if lucky

[vale gazelle]

We still don't know ||Azem's true name.||

[vital brook]

Bruh... this is slowly becoming ||PSO2||

[vale gazelle]

||Of the notable Greek Gods, we can narrow it down to a few. Zeus/Apollo makes the most sense I think.||

[glossy hemlock]

|| They’re whatever name you want them to be because they’re your character technically, which is also why they never showed them||

[hoary frost]

||They'd probably need a neutral name since azem can be both male or female depending on our character.||

[unreal delta]

||man....Hythlo is really...reminding me of graha||

[vale gazelle]

||Hythlo is much hotter though.||

[modest atlas]

||Hi! I'm trying to go back and watch that cutscene where you got to pick any of the scions that visited you in your room. Anyone remember which quest it was?||

[unreal delta]

incorrect

[vale gazelle]

I'm just not into catboys

[hoary frost]

Admitedly it's a tough choice but Raha has adorable ears so

[unreal delta]

i am :)

[vale gazelle]

I always thought male Miqotes' face are weird.

[timber lichen]

||hermes is the hottest but i hate his personality||

[hollow ice]

||he just looks like an older asahi tho||

[hoary frost]

||I think he was rather sweet but a bit over-protective which make sense since he felt like the lives of others were being toyed with while his kin were enjoying the luxury of picking their death.||

[timber lichen]

he looks completely different wym???

[mint sail]

Hairstyle, mostly

[timber lichen]

asahi is an evil twink with a bowl cut and ||hermes looks like a tan emo guy||

[hoary frost]

||Hermes is really a vegan in FF14 universe ||

[mint sail]

But I still like Emet in all his frustrated dutifulness

[vital brook]

Bruh im at lvl 89 MSQ, how much further for AF gear?

[hollow ice]

||whitch is the natural aged evolution of evil bowl cuts||

[mint sail]

Soon

[vital brook]

doing the dungeon rn

[mint sail]

ah, gotta do the lv89 trial first

[vale gazelle]

||He's the reverse Zenos, too much selflessness and compassion that turned into obsessiveness and malice.||

[timber lichen]

||he is empathetic but it made me frustrated how easily he seemed to just give up on life and be like "guess ill just kill everyone cause im sad"||

like "yeah this is the real big brain move everyone will see"

[unreal delta]

||Hades bb pls, hug me||

[mint sail]

||Probably like "the facts don't lie" or something, his current moral dilemma was compounded by Meteion's report and conclusions||

[hoary frost]

||It didn't felt that way to me, he IS the one who chose to give a chance to humanity by altering everyone's memory in that moment. I think more than giving up, he felt guilty that he couldn't do more to help those creatures being put down, he wanted answers about life because he felt like no one saw value in it so he hoped that by reaching out in outer space he would find people like him. He felt alienated, different from his kin. He had hope someone somewhere would be like him and that's all he really needed.||

[split forum]

My retainer brought me a paglthan top 👀. Glam time

[hoary frost]

||That's why he needed to hear the entire report, that's why he fell into despair, revealed his true feeling about his kin toying with the life of others and yet gave them a chance.||

[timber lichen]

||yeah i get that but i thought his methods of going about it were weird, like he didnt just talk about it with his friends or ask other ancients what they thought, he just kept it to himself and festered those feelings and tried to ask aliens what they thought instead?? idk, every time he was in his Feelings i wanted to shout "just THINK, HERMES" at him but maybe my view of him is tainted by the crazy fandaniel||

[humble heron]

||hes such a fucking tsundere||

[hoary frost]

||That's a real thing though, people unable to express their worries out of fear of being misunderstood or judged. That's pretty much how depression is.||

[mint sail]

||There's also the odds that he opened up but found no rapport in his fellows, they've had a long time to have those talks after all||

[timber lichen]

i guess i just think his question is meaningless in the end so it's weird to me that he tries so hard to find a definite answer

[mint sail]

But I guess this makes a good char, when you can question their motives and have several viable theories

[unreal delta]

||im gonna be fucking the tsundere in a minute ||

[humble heron]

||just wait till he takes his shirt off /joke||

[unreal delta]

You had my hopes up for a split second. how dare you

[mint sail]

||alas we never see the ancients in anything but their robes||

||except hydaelyn||

[humble heron]

Sorry i couldnt resist having a bit of fun

[humble heron]

||certified mommy||

[hoary frost]

||His questions is meaningless to you, but to him, it meant everything, he needed the answer. Had he gotten the answer he sought after, it might've given hope and brought back joy in his life.||

||People aren't rational when their own feelings are a mess.||

[floral idol]

||For the Endwalker "walk", is there a list from the first to last shadow in order? I couldn't really tell who was who to be honest except for a couple..||

[quasi zodiac]

are you fucking kidding me

[mint sail]

rekt

[errant perch]

rip

[hoary frost]

[timber lichen]

||it was just frustrating to watch him when the answer was right in front of his face the whole time, i really wanted to like him but it kinda sucked knowing what he would become in the end||

[timber lichen]

so close to the funny number

[gleaming bough]

|| that licina girl..... In garlemald, i know it could be due to game engin limitation but man she looks like tesselyn from the first, even her hair colour ||

Makes you wonder is it just a coincidence due to engine limitations or a deliberate one

[vital brook]

Bro don't do me dirty like that LVL 89 SPOILER DUNGEON

[humble heron]

||ya know i dont think its a coincidence||

Thats not gonna be used for good intentions

[mint sail]

uh huh

[glossy hemlock]

Speaking of that did anyone else get a little grossed out by the Gathering Studium Quests?

[river perch]

why? i found it adorable

also ||interracial||

[unreal delta]

so theoretically....

[glossy hemlock]

The fact ||she met him when she was so young and it’s a student teacher relationship is a kind of gross idea to me tbh maybe that’s just me not being comfortable with relationships like that since there is a power dynamic that can be abused and... The age of the girl is questionable when she meets him. ||

[unreal delta]

Don't Dark Knights use ||Dynamis?||
and not Aether?

[river perch]

well A'vano believe it or not such a thing isn't uncommon even in universities/colleges

[glossy hemlock]

Yeah it is just gross to me so

[river perch]

also || we have no clue of the 'professors' or 'student' age||

[split forum]

Maybe?

[vital brook]

LVL 89 DUNGEON SPOILER ||He is down bad||

[unreal delta]

||because emotion effected aether seems to be confused with Akasa/Dynamis and that is DRK's main power...||

[split forum]

It’s certainly possible, but idk if it’s gonna be canon

[hollow ice]

89*

[vital brook]

ah yes my bad, still confused

[river perch]

also about ||dynamis|| it is related to why LB3 exist in a way how it takes forevaaa to charge

[bold peak]

|| gathering in the last map with bgm turned on is creating a lot of feels for me ||

[river perch]

power of ||emotion|| isn't anything new in ff either, I believe the concept of Limit break was built upon that

[bold peak]

Did u also change ur name to this in game? I just met someone in my dr this morning. ||naming way and healing way|| sweetest pair btw

[vital brook]

nah not in game

Again, lvl 89 spoiler... This says ||Amano all over it||

[next quarry]

he did draw the original concept

[mint sail]

ngl the ||Hydaelyn|| trial feels like a bit like sos to me, in terms of mechanics

[humble heron]

I didnt know he was an ascian /joke

[mint sail]

Especially when there's a donut aoe with targeted aoes afterward in phase 2

[frozen shoal]

Does the level 89 dungeon have left side gear or only accessories?

[bold peak]

When we call ||her venat, the japanese va says it in the saddest way gosh. I cried for her|| i hope ||she|| rests in peace

[glossy hemlock]

I really don’t like how they just seemed to make || Asahi the token evil gay obsessed character sighh ||

[bold condor]

You know, the existence of Jammingway implies the existence of

https://fxtwitter.com/mane_tank/status/1469005674487156739

[mint sail]

egads

anyway lv90 GNB now, but I don't have a really good "end of it all" glam for it

[glossy hemlock]

LMAO

[mint sail]

I prefer my MNK glam for this but queue times

[gaunt star]

what are the names of the fate world boss mounts

[spiral warren]

has Queue savage been nerfed yet

[gaunt star]

can someone help me pls 🙏

[hollow ice]

the only one we know of right now is ||the level checker|| I believe which is psuedo vendor using stuff from a specific fate

[dim sigil]

First Impressions though eulmore was Better endgame hub

[gaunt star]

oho

[mortal barn]

can you run trial with 7 scion members in EW? :3

I heard someone said they can

[mint sail]

the lv89 trial, yes

[mortal barn]

ah ok. I just finished Zot. Seem to be a long way since I level many classes at the same time

[gaunt star]

is there a good cwls for mateus hunts/worldbosses?

[split forum]

Why does normal dungeon roulette pay more tomestones than expert?

[grim coral]

So any ideas when it'll be safe to fantasia?

[humble heron]

Expert is just slang for max level dungeons

[split forum]

They’re harder, why do they pay less

[humble heron]

Less of a wider reach

@grim coral it should be safe whenever

[grim coral]

Like- could I try and log in now, strip and drink, then actually change in the morning?

[split forum]

I just realized you changed your name to a loporrit name

[vital brook]

Classic JRPG:
Level 1= Kill ladybug
Level ???= ||Kill God||

[mint sail]

||Know that I will kill your god if I have to. And perhaps mine as well.||

[hollow ice]

level: ||20 cuz ifrit is a god||

[split forum]

|| we turned god-killing into a profession ||

[vital brook]

||Hydaelyn Bathwater|| when?

[humble heron]

Yes

[grim coral]

All without being locked out?

[glossy hemlock]

Level ???++ = Kill purple ladybug

[split forum]

89 trial spoiler || good luck with that ||

[humble heron]

Yeah i mean queue times may vary

But youll never be in any danger

[vital brook]

LMAO THEY ACTUALLY CUT ||G'RAHA|| FROM THE GROUP PHOTO

[grim coral]

Good.

[mint sail]

I never noticed that

||Hydaelyn was too distracting||

[hollow ice]

they were taking it

totally

[vital brook]

I can imagine this:
"Remember that you gave us permission to ||talk to Hydaelyn||?"
"Yes?"
"Well ||she is dead||"

[hollow ice]

||local consortium of smart people makes baffling decision to allow known godslayer to talk to the god of the world||

[glossy hemlock]

Short people problems || he shoulda used his levitating spell ||

[unreal delta]

major lvl 87 dungeon spoilers

||ARE YOU SHITTING ME||

[grim coral]

No.

It is not shitting you. Go. Have some fun.

[vital brook]

Enjoy the company of gramps

[mint sail]

||bro, dad and mom respectively||

[vital brook]

more like cool uncle

[grim coral]

||Thats a funny way of spelling mommy.||

[mint sail]

What's the difference

[unreal delta]

||also a funny way of spelling daddy||

man. Pyromancer is gonna lose his shit when he does EW

[mint sail]

||Elpis|| will make him lose his mind

[unreal delta]

like. man's aboutta go fucking ape

[hollow ice]

idk about that hes gonna keep missing dialogue that scrolls through too fast

[unreal delta]

oooh ||so this is that biome area||

[hollow ice]

i just confused a ||machinest mech for a omicron||89-90 spoiler

[granite nimbus]

"This one is beyond your help. Only sleep can save her now."

[bold condor]

Technically the whole preceding dungeon

[still sparrow]

And I have finished EW! :3

More or less…. The game disconnected me while I was talking to people and the rising stone lol

[vital brook]

I now feel lonely, knowing that ||Crystal mother is no more||

[humble heron]

Hes going to evaporate

[fluid basalt]

but echo not removed

[naive quest]

|| Hermes: Oh no he's hot ||

[gaunt star]

so, in the final area ||is the convo between graha and urianger and you, is that him trying to sacrifice himself like thancred did?||

[fluid basalt]

||being hot seems to be a requirement to be on the Convocation.||

[mint sail]

You'll know soon enough

[errant perch]

daily appreciation graha post. Heres to more ||Borgars and adventures with him in 6.1||

[tame cloud]

Hope ||Akasha|| gets mention after EW I dont want it to be just a standalone thing for EW

[fluid basalt]

||dynamis|| is the official name now?

[hollow ice]

^ yup

[tame cloud]

it is but i forget how to spell it

[mint sail]

Which quest gives a lv88 ring coffer?

I've been running an edenmete and a cryptlurker's all this time

[tame cloud]

Honestly, i feel i530 is enough until you get yr AF gear, aside from that you can get the rest in dungeon

[mint sail]

Edenmete is i510

Normal version of edenmorn

[tame cloud]

oh then use yr poetics go to the first and get yrself augmented poetics gear

[mint sail]

fine

tbh I also need some xp to ding 90

[tame cloud]

poetics is easy to get just go eureka :3

[mint sail]

Maybe I'll do another run of the lv89 dungeon and hope I get it there

[fluid basalt]

but eureka is hard

[mint sail]

I want to do Eureka eventually, if only for the ozma mount

[split forum]

Welp, tried talking to Gerolt as RPR. No relic

[fluid basalt]

that's what i said throughout 5.x... and i'm still without any Ozma mount

[mint sail]

sadness

[mint sail]

I was doing bozja instead, to level alts

tbh Eureka not offering any progression outside it is sorta demotivating

[split forum]

I didn’t have time to get to Bozja before EW dropped. Doing it now

[fluid basalt]

bozja field notes and their abysmal drop rates were equally demotivating

[split forum]

Eureka does have the random super pricey drops that make you rich cuz people don’t want to prog it

[mint sail]

plus bozja has that fancy bronze motorbike mount for finishing the field logs

It'll take a long while, but that's probably my next bragging rights mount after ozma

[fluid basalt]

don't remind of the bike.... i spent so long in bozja trying to get all the logs... and i got all jobs to 80 without that ever happening tsk

[calm umbra]

I'm only 88 msq, but oh my GOD, ||Elpis was AMAZING! Like it's making everything following it kind of boring, everything about it, from the music to the beauty of the zone, to the whole Venat arc was the best I've ever done in this game. I just want the whole expansion to be more time with Venat.||

[humble heron]

@calm umbra well get hyped for zone 6 is all i will say

[calm umbra]

I hope so! Honestly, that whole zone was the first time I really felt the story beats the end of 5.0

[calm umbra]

||Idk if you need to spoiler SHB stuff, but I think Elpis is actually even better than the end of Amaurot and the whole Emet Selch arc||

[humble heron]

I mean i probably agree

[fluid basalt]

the moment I found out in-game that ||they added Elpis as an actual location||. i knew we'd be getting ||more Ancients contents||, even ||beyond EW MSQ. see Pandaemonium|| haha

[wet summit]

||helping to reopen the cafe on ultima thule is oddly cute
also depressing but mostly the former||

[humble heron]

@unreal delta curious, are you freaking out yet?

[fluid basalt]

not sure if it makes up the fact that newly revealed ||Garlemald is only one map. when most of Eorzea have way larger areas. heck gyr abania was 3 big maps||

[river perch]

Estinen sure likes to look at... trees

[mint sail]

wait what that's a thing?

[unreal delta]

K I N D A

[mint sail]

Is it a sidequest

[fluid basalt]

post ||MSQ optional dungeon||

[mint sail]

ah, I'm not done with MSQ yet

Just reached the first lv90 quest

[humble heron]

Well i hope ur ok ruru

[mint sail]

actually, it would have been cool if ||the Garlemald map was all the ruins of the capital||

Make it really sprawling

[wet summit]

||Garlemald restoration when||

[humble heron]

Probably in the patches

[wet summit]

||it'd be so sick to see it go from a barren wasteland to like
the ruins turning back into a proper city, all that good stuff||

[frigid oasis]

How do you unlock dyes for the EW job armour?

[hollow ice]

||did you mean lunar restoration||||jk||

[humble heron]

Role quests

[mint sail]

We already have Coerthas western highlands for a snowy landscape, but a map being completely a city would have been new

[unreal delta]

||...so that is why emet didnt remember us...||

[wet summit]

||ULTIMA THULE RESTORATION,, SOMEHOW||

[frigid oasis]

just one or all?

[humble heron]

||and therefore the plotholes are gone||

[hollow ice]

||so thats what the cafe is for||

[mint sail]

Finish them role quests, then the AF gear becomes dyeable

[humble heron]

All of the quests for a specific role to unlock being able to due that role's gear

[river perch]

new house locations? ||the moon duh|| and restoration must be ||garlamald||

[wet summit]

||everyone may be dead simulations of themselves but you can at least get some probably not edible food||

[fluid basalt]

we should get ||Corvos as a proper area|| so many references to it. ||G'raha's homeland, the origin of the Garleans, environment template for Labyrinthos, etc.||

[frigid oasis]

I play DRK, doe that mean I only need to do the tank role quests to unlock dye for DRK?

[wet summit]

i expect it next expansion

[mint sail]

Gyr Abania housing

[humble heron]

Yes humle

[winter prism]

The furnishing reward for rank 3 in thavnair is a boat.

[frigid oasis]

alright, thank you

[humble heron]

@wet summit better or worse than mord souq food do you think

[fluid basalt]

actual city of ala mhigo when. the other 5 city-states are fully accessible uh

[wet summit]

||in all honesty the "meal" would probably just be raw aether based on what we saw so||

[glossy hemlock]

Omg who has space for that shit lmao why wouldnt they make it miniature

[humble heron]

So ||raw aether injected directly into the soul|| or mushloaf

[winter prism]

I have a large so I do but yeah; it’s a full sized boat.

[wet summit]

||definetely the former lol||

[drowsy sky]

||why didnt hydaelyn just tell us about what cause the final days||

[humble heron]

@drowsy sky ||to prevent a time paradox||

[real venture]

I know its been said, but I can't find it... where is the totem exchange?

[humble heron]

Radz at han, western bazaar

[real venture]

for the old as well?

[unreal delta]

inhale

[mint sail]

Old whats?

[hollow ice]

different expansions different exchangers

[real venture]

Allagan Tomestones

[mint sail]

Those are at Mor Dhona iirc

[hollow ice]

tomestone exchange for the old to new ones is at mordohna the middle lady

[real venture]

thanks

[unreal delta]

Major 87 Dungeon Spoilers

||IM GOING TO STRANGLE HERMES UNTIL NOTHING IS LEFT OF THAT WRETCHED SHITLORD. MILLIONS OF DEATHS. MILLENIA OF SORROW. ALL BECAUSE HE COULDN'T BARE WITNESS TO SOMETHING WITHOUT EVEN A SOUL BEING ERASED THIS IS LIKE KILLING YOUR FRIENDS BECAUSE YOUR COMPUTER HAD A VIRUS AND YOU HAD TO TURN IT OFF||

[humble heron]

Ruru it seems you are upset, i implore you to remember the eternal wisdom: frog

[errant perch]

||hermes is just way too naive||

[mint sail]

Dunno if it needs clarification, but "totems" refer to EX trial tokens and not tomestones

[real venture]

|| but is hermes right, we aren't perfect ||

[unreal delta]

||I THOUGHT I HATED FANDANIEL. I THOUGHT I HATED ZENOS. NOTHING. AND I MEAN FUCKING N O T H I N G RIVALS THE RAGE I FEEL TOWARDS THIS MEGALO FUCKING MANIAC||

[real venture]

|| also though, what an ending ||

[humble heron]

||i mean fandaniel/amon is a shard of hermes so you just hate fandaniel more now||

[hollow ice]

||uhhhh hermes is fandaniel tho||

[errant perch]

||I was absolutely pissed when zenos took our body. But i was more just sad with the way that hermes did it all||

[unreal delta]

||AND SO WAS EMET AT THE END OF SHADOWBRINGERS. BUT WHO IS HE TO DICTATE WHETHER WE ARE TO LIVE OR DIE. WHO IS HERMES TO DECIDE THE FATE OF MILLIONS AND CAUSE A PTSD SO DEEP IT IS ETCHED ON THE VERY FUCKING SOUL OF PEOPLE||

[mint sail]

||amon is just a smaller scope meteion||

[hollow ice]

||hermes is doing it because he believes the ancients dont value life enough so he basically made it a game where they now have to fight for their life or something||

[unreal delta]

||Yes I know what he's doing. and why he's doing it||

[dire current]

Can someone answer my lore questions?

[unreal delta]

||Doesn't change my belief he should be strangled for what he's done||

[hollow ice]

just ask em
if theres any 6.0 info in the question spoiler em tho

[humble heron]

||he should be fed to a wood chipper until he is sawdust||

[grim coral]

||And the best part about that fucker, he's the last boss in a dungeon with an armor set or six I wanna farm!||

[mint sail]

What does the lv87 dungeon gear look like though

[grim coral]

m I even allowed to say it without censoring it?

[mint sail]

Does it share models with other gear?

[unreal delta]

||Too quick, gruesome, but too quick. but no death is worthy or equal to the suffering of millions he's created||

[dire current]

|| did fandaniel/hermes send his creations to other planets to destroy them? Did hydaelyn go her seperate way from the ascians to go against the idea of living in a utopia at the cost of sacrificing half the population? Was she pissed off that the result was tons of flaws with the planet such as starvation, violence and overpopulation? ||

[grim coral]

||Its literally dark Shadowless armor. Aka fucking perfect for me.||

[humble heron]

||ok what if we make him play WoW instead||

[mint sail]

ah derp, now I remember

[hollow ice]

||he sent his creations to find out the meaning of life, hydalyn wanted the ascians to stop clinging to the past and cherish the new lifes that were born as a result of their choices, kinda but also proud that people had the power to endure||

[indigo shale]

||well, the way i see it, hermes was inevitable, if it werent hermes some other ancient would have come to a similar conclusion, the ancient's were all massively flawed, so he is just a result of their shit utopia||

[errant perch]

||you need struggle in life. The ancients did not have any||

[hollow ice]

||hermes isnt actually evil, a dumbass in his decisions but not evil||

[indigo shale]

||hermes, seems to be the least evil ancient||

[unreal delta]

||Like, The concepts and creation magicks he's sooooo sad to put down are literally aetheric beings They have no souls. They are quite literally programmed Aether. They are basically aetheric computers. While it seems by dialogue when you first arrive on Elpis, souls can be created by the Ancients. I don't think they would spend the aether on test animals to give them proper souls||

||again. This is like killing your friends saying they are not perfect, because your computer got a virus and needed to be shutdown and your friends said it was a "bad PC"||

[hollow ice]

||fandaniels full asshole nihilist tho||

[dire current]

|| I just finished the lvl 88 content and it made me sympathize for the Ancients. Were the ancients pretty much immortal beings who perfected the grasp of aether and lived in utopia or something? ||

[indigo shale]

||yep, all because of emet selch||

[unreal delta]

||....exscuse me?||

[hollow ice]

||because of xande||

[unreal delta]

||The LITERAL CAUSE OF THE FINAL DAYS is the LEAST EVIL here???||

[indigo shale]

||amon was already sad about shit and xande didnt help, so emet in his wisdom decide to give a depressed man the memories of another depressed man and then be suprised of the outcome||

[hollow ice]

ironically yes

[unreal delta]

[mint sail]

||as Emet stated, Hermes did not account for the probability that Meteion would derive no "response" to her questions||

||Instead of filtering it into "inconclusive amount of data", the lack of data itself was filtered into the conclusion||

[dire current]

|| are ancients immortal beings or something? ||

[indigo shale]

||no just long lived, quite long life spans||

[obsidian osprey]

^ Tbh. When I think more on it. The stuff that happened in the present with the ||Present Day Fandanie||l makes all the sense

[unreal delta]

||I'm Sorry. The one who literally caused the almost end of the universe, killing millions because "theyre not perfect" is not the least evil here That is LITERALLY EUGENICS BASED GENOCIDE||

[mint sail]

||death seems to be more of a choice for them, so effectively yes||

[dire current]

|| how do the likes of ascians live for thousands and thousands of years? ||

[obsidian osprey]

and tbh....thats just how despair works. The more it piles on....The more destructive the source becomes to those surrounding the one despairing. Its scarily relatable

[indigo shale]

||well hermes never directly caused the final days, it was a vague question, one that anyone could have asked, he didnt want this to happen||

[mint sail]

||Aetheric density or something||

[unreal delta]

||If he didn't, he wouldn't have let Meteion get away||

[mint sail]

||They didn't discard their corporeal form like the Ea did so we'd expect them to die of natural causes eventually||

[indigo shale]

||well that metion being killed/stopped would make 0 difference, there are thousands of them across the whole universe||

[humble heron]

||actually if he killed meteion we'd just be even more fucked||

[indigo shale]

||nothing from the point we learnt of dynamis would stop what is to come, it would be an impossibilty to have prevented, even after hermes was made aware||

[mint sail]

||He's in charge of a eugenics facility, the ultimate lifeform is sorta an ideal end goal||

||He did the memory wipe and shit by his status of chief overseer, he said||

[errant perch]

||they werent really looking to make the ultimate lifeform. They more wanted to make creatures with no flaws that would work well in the environment||

[jade relic]

|| they were still deciding which species gets to exist ||

[errant perch]

||they were more looking to create the perfect environment||

[jade relic]

|| "why do you live?" I think was the question, yeah ||

[mint sail]

||He also wanted to one-up his peers who delete their creations simply because they were incompatible, using a moral high ground||

[indigo shale]

||also hermes dictated life in the way the ancients did, he was no different to hythlodaeus, emet selch or anyone else there, he just posed their methods upon to themselves, ||

[still sparrow]

Ok! After a 3000+ Q I FINALLY finished the main story of EW 😊

[indigo shale]

||for a race that would wipe out species like nothing, its hard not to see how hermes came to that conclusion, he deemed the ancients to be flawed so he practiced what they preach||

[still sparrow]

LOVED IT

[mint sail]

||well not really one-up but at least bring substantial backing to his stance on the matter||

[gaunt star]

could someone tell me how to handle the 2nd dungeon final boss ||claw that follows you, it keeps killing me, i dont understand the mechanic||

[jade relic]

congrats and welcome to the crying club

[still sparrow]

I found that a little too easy…. ||oh god based on this ONE report everything is shit and we must DESTROY the world and everyone in it!||

[indigo shale]

||it werent one report it was thousands, the report of every metion||

[tame cloud]

||the one that hits one half of the room?||

[jade relic]

|| and it wasnt "destroy the world" it was "give them the same chance we give every flawed species" ||

[gaunt star]

||the second claw ability after imperatum and we enter anima's domain||

[tame cloud]

lemme find a video of it damned my memory for mechanics

[grave rune]

is it possible to go back and watch the ||goodbye cutscenes|| from the end of EW?

[jade relic]

probably in the book in the inn

[gaunt star]

||nvm you just run lmao||

[still sparrow]

Then what was the ||pitch black transformation of EVIL?||

[gaunt star]

||you just book it and avoid the claws||

[indigo shale]

||it wasnt evil, it was despair||

[tame cloud]

||yes lol, i just watch the video yea just run||

[unreal delta]

Gross sobbing (lvl 87 dungeon spoilers, again)

[maiden swallow]

||it was not one report it was 6 at the least but probably a whole lot more, and seeing just one destroyed world would break most people||

[tame cloud]

the one thing i hate the most in EW ||FUCK THAT FIND 8 NPC QUEST IT TOOK ME 25 MINS||

[jade relic]

you mean || when meteion changed? they had no way to know that was evil ||

[indigo shale]

||also i doubt it was evil, it was despair that was being given into ||

[jade relic]

hard agree

[hollow ice]

20 more fates in zone 6

[quick owl]

I like how Y'shtola says that there aren't many places for her kind in Sharlayan, yet when you get there, like a third of the population is Miqo'te.

[mint sail]

||If the Final Days caused an individual's despair to be converted into monstrosities, then it can be argued that Meteion's conversion was caused by entire civilizations' collective despair||

[tame cloud]

||yup one singular mistake cause the chain fuck up that is the Final Days||

[still sparrow]

Yes I know but like ||they had a nice world they lived on already that had more or less love and happiness etc etc… I’ll never understand the big bad guys reason to destroy everything because of “we are alone… sad face DIE!!!!”||

[indigo shale]

||the world they lived on werent nice if you think about it||

[unreal delta]

||something something, life is more painful than death itself||

[mint sail]

||Her "one race did this or that but was unable to stave off the inevitable" monologue got increasingly creepy||

[still sparrow]

Ya True it had a dark underbelly but so does everything else

[jade relic]

|| thats not accurate. her thinking is that life inevitably leads to suffering and dispair, better to not live at all . its flawed thinking because meteion is naive||

[mint sail]

Misery loves company

[mint sail]

||meteion was programmed with hermes' naivety||

[indigo shale]

||it sort of reflects emet selch in ShB he gave into despair and sadness so started to commit omnicide and kill everyone||

[tame cloud]

At the last area ||when the Ea people talked about the heat death of the universe hits pretty close for me since I used to thought about the same thing but eh im like I nor the human race will live to see that day anyways.||

[mint sail]

||It's a good thing us Earth people found out about the heat death before discovering immortality||

[tame cloud]

||really brings back the theoretical question of if immortality is a good thing||

[indigo shale]

||lets pose this, if hermes is evil, then by that logic so is hythlodaeus, hades, and all the other ancients||

[still sparrow]

Yes I know but trying to explain all that and remember to put tags on it is too much for my sleepy brain atm

[unreal delta]

SEVERAL CUTSCENES WILL PLAY IN SEQUENCE

[indigo shale]

||as all hermes did was pose the same question to the ancients that they do every species, why live if flawed||

[jade relic]

thats code for grab the tissues

[still sparrow]

This is new information for you? Lol

[unreal delta]

No lol

[steady valve]

||basically hermes had a midlife crisis gone wrong||

[mint sail]

||The Meaning of Life (Ultimate)||

All that prog and they still couldn't clear

[tame cloud]

I loved ||Zenos' line "If I had a reason would that made you feel better"||

[unreal delta]

okay but heres the thing
||Their creation magicks create Aetheric Entities meaning it has no soul. It is an aetheric computer meant to mimic a creation before it is given a soul. They aren't alive. ||

[humble heron]

@hearty monolith theres some dialogue by urianger that suggests ||your will or zenos will caused it to appear||

[still sparrow]

You can’t deny ||they used the common trope having the sweet innocent girl turn bad because insert nihilistic revelation here|| lol

[hearty monolith]

@humble heron Is that after|| the credits?||

[humble heron]

I think so. I didnt see it firsthand, just a screenshot, but i think it's legit

[tame cloud]

||literally when i first met her was like man I hope they make a new playable race like her and was met with

ah. fuck.||

[mint sail]

eh I'm always more concerned about how they do it, and in this case it feels pretty well-built

[indigo shale]

||well what does it being a trope have to do with anything, that has no bearing on anything||

[mint sail]

The fact that people are discussing it instead of dissing it is proof enough

[indigo shale]

the WoL is a trope, but thats done well so why does it matter

[mint sail]

blah blah cliches

[still sparrow]

Im denying it wasn’t well executed I’m just saying it wasn’t the most original… but don’t get me wrong I still LOVE EW this is his just little nitpicks

[humble heron]

||i mean, the game throws around the concept of a soul just being a collection of aether anyway, but even if we assume the creations dont have souls in a typical sense, they are still sentient beings who want to live and feel emotions, so hermes cares about them||

[jade relic]

no story is going to satisfy everyone, but I thought it was excellently handled

[tame cloud]

yup tropes are used in a lot of storytelling. it all comes down to how well they use it.

[indigo shale]

i was extremely satisifed by this story, even surpassed Stormblood as my fav expansion

[unreal delta]

||this is detroit become human all over again||

[still sparrow]

I just found the downfall a bit too quick for my taste

[indigo shale]

well lore wise it was anythging but quick, all considered

[mint sail]

They said EW's story will be entirely contained in 6.0, but really

It's difficult to contain and conclude the entire game's story within one expac release

[indigo shale]

yeah its the stormblood problem, they put a lot into one expansion, so the pacing may feel off

[humble heron]

||elpis become ancient more like, but its an interesting quandry. But even then, hermes admits that he thinks his behavior could be an abberation, which lends support to your thinking about them not mattering. Its a complicated situation with no simple answer and I think everyone will come up with their own viewpoint||

EWs method of dealing with its flaws is to be as extra as possible and I think it does that very well

[indigo shale]

||the main problem i see is that entire venat scene at the end of elpis, it contradicts all we know of the final days and the summoning of hydaelyn as well as the sacrifices to zodiark||

[wet summit]

looking back there's a few weird things, but it was fun enough that i didn't care

[wet summit]

||we were changing history||

[still sparrow]

|| I am saying particularly with just that one character the emotional empathic person gets sad because universe is filled with bad things and SNAP|| 🤦‍♂️

[indigo shale]

||no we werent, elidibus said we cant do that as we must return to the same reality||

[mint sail]

Actually, come to think of it

[indigo shale]

||the whole kairos thing was to ensure history never changed||

[fluid basalt]

so where's the real ||Azem||

[mint sail]

The ||Garlemald|| arc was sorta prepping us for the overarching themes in the second half

[wet summit]

yea you're right
forgot

[jade relic]

ye the || suicide section || made me sit back and go "wow. this expac is gonna hurt isnt it"

[still sparrow]

can some one also explain ||how Amon was Hermes AND Fandanueal||

[indigo shale]

||but i feel elpis really throws everything into whack||, because now we have 2 closed cloops and a diverging timeline

[jade relic]

|| Fandaniel is just a rank ||

[unreal delta]

timey wimey shit

[mint sail]

||Hermes took up the seat of Fandaniel, to start with||

[quick owl]

There's an Albright family in Sharlayan? Huh, good to know that Sharlayan isn't above the odd war crime every now and then.

[jade relic]

|| Amon is a shard of hermes after the sundering ||

[indigo shale]

also its sad to think, that we didnt end up saving much in ShB

beccause we know the 8th umbral calamity still happens in that doomed timeline, so it feels strange

[unreal delta]

Fandaniel is just a title. Like how someone might be a Mayor or President or Vice President.

[still sparrow]

Ok so then the one we ||fight on the moon with the watcher was not the same person gone mad after 1000s of years?||

[quick owl]

Does Sharlayan ever open its borders over the course of the story like Ishgard did?

[unreal delta]

When referring to someone, like emet, calling him Emet Selch, is the equivalent of americans calling their president "Mr. President" in interviews n such

[indigo shale]

is that a rhetorical or actual question about sharlayan

[mint sail]

Much like how ||Emet-Selch is the title and Hades is the name||

[unreal delta]

^^

||Hades is Emet-Selch's actual name||

[still sparrow]

More or less

[humble heron]

@unreal delta ok then ||whos the president of the hot ascian club||

[mint sail]

slight tangent: ||Hades|| is the only boss without a title, since he did say to cast them aside

[short edge]

||hytholadeus||

[indigo shale]

||azdaja was never in ultima thule||

[mint sail]

Azem, if ||Hydaelyn|| and eorzeacollection are to be believed

[unreal delta]

||Probably Hades, he takes the cake. absolute dad and i want him to do all sorts of things to me||

[jade relic]

|| That one was Amon, who was still fighting for his emperors ideal of annihilation - was my takeaway from it || feel free to correct me if im off the mark

[indigo shale]

||they are recreations and the first brood didtn exist till after arriving on hydaelyn, so metion wouldnt be able to recreat them||

[humble heron]

Thats an unfortunate thing to mess up spoilering

[unreal delta]

y-yeah..

[still sparrow]

Iceberg?

[gusty quiver]

Oh okay

[humble heron]

Well i hope you enjoy the rest of the story

[fluid basalt]

best weather

[mint sail]

||Termination weather sounds cooler||

[humble heron]

Actually the weather gets even better with ||termination|| later on

[late aurora]

Tension

[unreal delta]

||venat,,,mommy||

[short edge]

Indeed

[humble heron]

The fanfic writers will be thrilled

[unreal delta]

question: ||We are a shard of Azem. But not a shard of Venat, correct?||

[jade relic]

|| correct ||

[unreal delta]

thought so

[indigo shale]

||yes,w we are a shard of who ever was on the seat of azem at the time of the sundering||

[jade relic]

|| we are a shard of the next azem after her ||

[humble heron]

We are a shard of ||JOHN CENA||

[unreal delta]

||ah so we still dont know who we are a shard of? ||

[still sparrow]

Ok so now what is a good way to help me keep all this history straight… Having such long gaps between content makes it hard for me to keep everything straight

[jade relic]

never hear their name, no

[unreal delta]

Sadge

[humble heron]

||All we know is that its the holder of the seat of Azem||

[indigo shale]

||but i cant wait to see what antics we get up to with elidibus in panda||

[jade relic]

you could write it all down, I just usually google it when i forget lol

[still sparrow]

Ok so is this Amon the same one as in the Crystal tower boss? Or is that just coincidence?

[mint sail]

||To The Edge remixes or death||

[indigo shale]

||also any guesses on elidibus actual name before we probably get told in panda||

[jade relic]

now thats a good question I dont have an answer for

[indigo shale]

||it not, emet tells him to send a clone to the CT, so the amon we fight there is a clone||

[still sparrow]

When? Lol

[jade relic]

so yes but also no

[gaunt star]

this expansion is so frustrating

[uneven condor]

It’s a clone in crystal tower I think

[indigo shale]

||in the same scene we find out fandan is amon||

[mint sail]

Either before the lv81 dungeon, or on the moon

[gaunt star]

||so much of consequence happens but it feels like none of it matters at the same time? like the stakes are too high and almost insignificant at the same time, it's kind of overwhelming||

[astral trout]

I feel bad for ShB, it's now just a prequel to EW

[indigo shale]

well ofc it is, all expansions are a prequel to ew

[unreal delta]

does it being a prequel make it any less?

[gaunt star]

||all the most consequential stuff happens in the past, and the future stuff feels like it goes 0 - 1000 and it's just like, overwhelming||

[wet summit]

feel even worse for whatever has the buden of following endwalker up

[jade relic]

its rare that an expansion makes the story of the previous expansion even better, really good stuff

[short oak]

on this note we only got the name of 3 ascians so far right? ||hades, hermes and gaia||

[jade relic]

|| Venat ||

[astral trout]

It doesn't make it bad in any manner, just relatively speaking

[short oak]

and her

[indigo shale]

||shes not an ascian||

[astral trout]

But I'm sure replay will be better now after EW

[wet summit]

yee

[jade relic]

|| what counts as ascian then? ||

[stiff charm]

mitron is artemis

[indigo shale]

ascians and ancients are not the same, ascians are those loyal to zodiark, not all ancients are ascians, and not all ascians are ancients

[short oak]

o right slipped my mind

[jade relic]

hm, ok

[indigo shale]

i cant blame you for forgetting, this was told in like early ARR

[humble heron]

I think ||its meant to be consumed over a longer period than what many of us played it in and that contributes to the pacing whiplash||

[unreal delta]

Ascians is a faction, not a race

[wet summit]

||the stakes in endwalker get so crazy anime, and while I like that I hope the next expansion is a bit more laid back lol||

[gaunt star]

the eprfect sage drip

i just need to fix the gloves though

[jade relic]

its the most final fantasy expansion, loved it but i agree

[unreal delta]

Equivocating Ascians to a race is like saying a political party in america is a race of americans kek

[wet summit]

WOL deserves a vacation

[gaunt star]

||yeah, probably. still, it feels like nothing has consequences after the unsundered world and like i feel like a crazy person whenever i think about things that way, bc ppl tend to get in their feelings about that sorta thing LMAO||

[mint sail]

Islands

[still sparrow]

Oh hey question || I was a little sad to see empire city completely destroyed more or less…. When did that happenen? I was looking forward sneaking into the imperial cattle and such 😅||

[short oak]

maybe its better if i phased my question as the original name of the people from the convocation?

[uneven condor]

||I’m thinking in the pandaemonium raid series, we’re getting elidibus’s real name, since he’ll probably be helping us, and he’s wearing those white robes of retirement? Is that what they mean?||

[indigo shale]

||5.4||

[humble heron]

||do you feel like an... aberration?||

[mint sail]

Stated to be sometime between post-SB and ShB

[wet summit]

||ultima thule filled me with so much existential dread||

[indigo shale]

not long after varis was deaded, civil war broke out so fandaniel and zenos took advantage to labour there plans

[still sparrow]

Can you pinpoint exactly what quest in 5:4?

[mint sail]

When ||Zenos got his body back from Elidibus and killed Varis||

[coarse meadow]

so just finished the EW extra lvl 90 dungeons and gotta say, i feel like they kind of dropped the ball a little bit. Reused both dungeons music from previous things and mechanics were just ok

||omicron got some good visuals thou||

[indigo shale]

i dont remember exact quest, but i think sometime around the lunar primal duty, though i might be thinking of 5.5 wher we see that outcome

[mint sail]

Is it A Long Fall again

[jade relic]

w|| yep he didnt give a shit about the empire so they tore themselves apart in civil war ||

[gaunt star]

my brain is so fried rn i cant tell if that's a reference or a legit question

[coarse meadow]

na its literally just omega raid music lol

[mint sail]

ah

[humble heron]

||its what hermes called himself lmao||

[wet summit]

i really liked the stigma dreamscape

[uneven condor]

It’s a remix of eScape I’m pretty sure

[gaunt star]

||ohh lmao i'm dumb||

[coarse meadow]

mmmm is it?

[uneven condor]

More prominent guitars at least

[coarse meadow]

the fact i even have to ask that question is uh weird lol

[quick owl]

Oh right... Albright was from the Astrologian quests. Wait... and he's ||reading Jannequinard's book? LMAO! Fucking rekt!||

[wet summit]

the final fight is super fun on warrior in particular
I fucking love primal rending across the entire arena and darting out of the aoe at the last possible second lol

[coarse meadow]

lmao yeah the self destruct was pretty cool as well

[wet summit]

i hated smileton

[humble heron]

It could be the live version

[coarse meadow]

smileton was.... really eh

[indigo shale]

end spoiler ||hmm, just thinking about it, when we see elidibus in post CS he doesnt have his mask so this is before he joined the convocation||

[wet summit]

smileton is the only dungeon that I didn't like out of everything in endwalker

[jade relic]

|| walk up to elidibus, "what up dickhead" "why so mean?" "ill tell you in like 5000 years ok" ||

[indigo shale]

||well we know elidibus heavily looked up to azem, so maybe he wanted to be like azem ||

[coarse meadow]

agreed

[indigo shale]

||in 5.3 he talks about sundered azem quite heartedly, despite his memory issues||

[wet summit]

||I think everyone liked azem a lot||

[indigo shale]

from what we know azem and lahabrea were his best friends

[late aurora]

Until they didn’t

[wet summit]

😔

[short oak]

sad truth

[mint sail]

Azem is the one everyone loves to hate

[indigo shale]

as the line "the rains have ceased...." was a line lahabrea said to elidibus

[fluid basalt]

the convocation ||is basically the ancient version of scions||

[tame cloud]

what I dont get is ||how we gonna go back in time again for next raid story lore wise||

[short oak]

||i really wanna see whatever shenanigan azem n hythlodaeus gets to at the expense of emet tho||

[fluid basalt]

the area is always open to us even now

[indigo shale]

so his dying words were remembering his dearest friends

[short oak]

||no the grape incident isnt enough||

[wet summit]

||some new crystal tower deus ex machina||

[jade relic]

|| Fire up Alexander ||

[late aurora]

Aetherytes, shut up

[tame cloud]

I also didnt get how the last zone|| has aether currents and aetheryte despite being entirely dynamis||

[indigo shale]

||thancred, basically his initial sacrifice made the place liveable||

[uneven condor]

||Dynamisryte||

[late aurora]

||Thancred|| made em, now stop thinking about it

[tame cloud]

||wills 2 strok||

[vale gazelle]

Do you think ||unsundered Zodiark could defeat EndSinger?||

[wet summit]

||yeeee thancred
also the aetherytes are probably relics from when the civilizations were alive, and got recreated to make it more accurate
I suspect thancred is the only reason they're powered though||

[dim sigil]

|| Anyone exact Elidibus model yet so we can see his face ||

[uneven condor]

||Are we going to get Elidibus’s real name in pandaemonium?||

[wet summit]

probably

[indigo shale]

||probably, as he doesnt have his mask, so not on the convocation yet so we'd probs call him by real name||

[fluid basalt]

i wonder why ||Emet skipped Elidibus and Nabriales when he was introducing the Convocation's areas of specialization to us||

[uneven condor]

||Are white robes only for convocation members that retire but don’t return to the star?||

[indigo shale]

||maybe saving for panda, as eli and and nab were close to laha||

[late aurora]

Someone mentions Elidibus being an Emissary, I remember that much

[granite nimbus]

||Well, Elidibus has white robes, so probably not.||

[jade relic]

he says it himself

[indigo shale]

||we dont know, and the eldibus we know only joined the convocation to be sacrificed, and he was wearing white robes anyway before that||

[late aurora]

I mean in zone 5

[vale gazelle]

Maybe ||Elidibus in our time was not in the convocation yet, Elisibus was the youngest of the 14 I think.||

[jade relic]

ah

[granite nimbus]

||WHAT? No! Tales from the Shadows depicts him doing stuff as Emissary, mainly talking to Emet-Selch and acting as a mediator between the thirteen members of the Convocation who stay in Amaurot, as well as giving Azem's opinions the time of day even though everyone else thought of them as a weirdo.||

[indigo shale]

||yeah but in post CS hes not on the convocation, hence no red mask, this is before he was on the convo, but hes still wearing white robes anyway, so we dont know what the meaning of the robes are, tales from the shadows sems to be after he was put on the convocation||

[gaunt star]

i feel so discombobulated rn, ||the tonal dissonance is gonna kill me, still cried at the emet selch reunion scene tho||

[granite nimbus]

||Wait, what cutscenes does he have no red mask? He ALWAYS has the mask on unless he's possessing a body.||

||Also, the idea that he only joined to be sacrificed is also disproven by how Loghrif was the first choice to become Zodiark's heart, not Elidibus.||

[indigo shale]

||post EW CS||

[granite nimbus]

Oh, that, I'm not up to that.

[indigo shale]

ah, well

[uneven condor]

||Apparently white robes are either people who stepped down from convocation, or people who are just impartial, also the emissary wears white always.||

[indigo shale]

||hmm fair, interesting that eli was considered impartial before joining the convocation, wonder what he did to prove that as he seems quite young compared to all||

[uneven condor]

||We’ll probably get to know him plenty if he’s leading pandaemonium||

[indigo shale]

||also eli in post CS reminds me a bit of unku, maybe thats why elidi saved him from the 13th aswell, maybe it reminded him of himself ||

[short oak]

||maybe its just the fact that hes so young? innocent and those themes are pretty popular trope||

[unreal delta]

so...I just ||finished the cutscene after leaving elpis.....what the fuck just happened....||

[short oak]

welcome to lore train theres no brakes

[uneven condor]

It’s a bit of a dramatization, it didn’t literally happen in that way I feel.

[humble heron]

||the one with mommy?||

[unreal delta]

yea...

[humble heron]

Answers should be renamed to Questions

[indigo shale]

||yeah, also the events dont match up to what happened, so i think that CS is just idk, so now we know less of what happened in amourot||

[unreal delta]

||I just feel like my mind shattered||

[unreal delta]

||wdym dont match?||

[humble heron]

Would you say it was ||sundered||

[indigo shale]

||well we know people sacrificed to zodiark, but we were told hydae was summoned before the third wave, but in that cs the second wave werent sacrificed, and in 5.2 its a splinter faction that summons her, but in that CS she does it on her own, so that means hythlodaeus account of the events must be wrong maybe||

[uneven condor]

||Talking about pandaemonium I think?||

[unreal delta]

||weird.....||

[indigo shale]

||because panda, when he mentioned sending us back, it put a new memory in him of us helping him, which is why he freaked out||

[short oak]

||maybe that will be covered in pandaemonium||

[humble heron]

||theres a decent chance in the cutscene shes already become hydalyen and is just walking around as venat||

[short oak]

||time travel is a funny thing||

[granite nimbus]

||From what I took from it, it's Venat surviving the Final Days and deciding to become Hydaelyn and sunder the worlds after seeing that the Ancients would rather hide behind Zodiark rather than confront the problem head-on as Hermes and Meteion challenged them to. Her becoming more and more injured and bloody is her anguish and pain from creating so much suffering in the process, but persevering regardless since doing anything else will lead to the inevitable end of the world she loves.||

[indigo shale]

||yeah the closed loop started as soon as he mentioned it, which is why hydae talks about the timelines converging at that point i think||

[jade relic]

|| wasnt the hythlo we spoke to then just a figment of emet's imagination? just means emet probably remembered wrong or something ||

[indigo shale]

||hmm maybe, idk, but hytlo shade didnt speak ill of hydae like emet would, so i would assume anytihng created by him would, maybe he remembered hythlo exactly as he was||

[unreal delta]

this expansion is the curse of knowledge...

[uneven condor]

I feel like 95% of my questions got answered

[humble heron]

Im sure the lore gods will piece everything together anyway

[unreal delta]

||Im just looking out at sharlayan like...so many questions answered.....now what||

[humble heron]

||now we go save the goddamn universe||

[wet summit]

||space travel exapnsion||

[short oak]

im still wondering ||what exactly caused azem to reject venat's proposal to summon hydaelyn||

[indigo shale]

||i hate time travel, if elpis werent so good id call it the worst part of the expansion, becauase now we have 2 closed loops and a diverging timeline and a converging timeline||

[humble heron]

||but at least theres a world where it all makes sense||

[unreal delta]

I think im gonna lvl pld and drop drk for now.

so time to pause MSQ for a day or two

[humble heron]

Good time to take a breather, too

[unreal delta]

yeah..

[mint sail]

Once I'm done with MSQ, should I grind RPR or gatherers/crafters

[humble heron]

||and you can set up a hermes punching bag in the meantime||

[mint sail]

I want to make my angelic reapman glam, but gatherers/crafters

[fluid basalt]

ancient Azem ||didn't know the truth, no? it's hard to agree with both sides of the summoning... since they're both kinda bad||

[mint sail]

||The only people who left with their memory intact are Venat and WoL||

[indigo shale]

||alex is one closed loop, but does that account for the diverging timeline, the diverging timeline is ShB, but does that account for elpis or alex, the 2nd loop is us going to elpis, but what is we never arrived, would hydaelyn have been summoned as all her reasoning was because her mind werent erased by hermes, which was a result of us being there, and the converging timeline is just confusing||

[echo orbit]

Venat ||did everything wrong, even with future knowledge she failed to prevent the Final Days, honestly I have a hard time liking the story because of that||

[indigo shale]

||shes the only reason the final days isnt a threat with zodiark||

[echo orbit]

Exarch ||already established that you can create a branched timeline, with the same machine time travel, so that's no excuse||

[gaunt star]

does the ||Dead ends|| drop nice gear

[indigo shale]

||she did more than prevent the final days, she removed the root cause||

[echo orbit]

She coulda done that ||in the past||

[indigo shale]

how far are you in btw?

||no she couldnt have, thats the point of dynamis, the ancients could never have stopped it||

[jade relic]

|| Without Hydaelins blessing we would have died like 500 times and therefore we wouldnt have fixed anything ||

[echo orbit]

Nah it felt weak written to be that way, but I could see how it could have been written otherwise

||In fact, the whole dynamis thing could have been rewritten so that the ancient could have stopped it in the branched timeline, if Square so chose||

I'm arguing from a meta perspective

I just didn't like ||the closed loop||

[jade relic]

i meran by that logic they could just have written another story

[indigo shale]

||there was no chance they were stopping dynamis, hermes made that very clear, as they cant manipulate it but less aether dense souls can||

[echo orbit]

yeah, and I think it would have been a better one

[jade relic]

well i disagree

[echo orbit]

||closed loop stories to me always felt like a cop out, especially since Shadowbringer did the alternative with the branched timeline, and it was great||

||you excuse all sorts of nonsense with, "well it had to have happened that way so that's why they did it like that"||

[indigo shale]

well why did ShB have to be a differnt timeline, thats a cop out

jsut throw away the other timeline and so some time travel bs

[lunar hound]

||I agree that the foreshadowing was very heavy-handed, almost like they were afraid people would stop playing halfway through the zone out of sheer emotional trauma :/||

[indigo shale]

it felt weak written that way

[echo orbit]

ShB branching is great! It allowed you to explore the actual ramification of what happened when you fail, and also allowed you to succeed in preventing said calamity!

You get the best of both worlds!

[astral trout]

||Now that WoL can use creation magic does that mean mounts and minions are summoned that way?||

[indigo shale]

well we dont quite know what happened when we failed

[echo orbit]

nah mate, we saw it, through various means

Twinning, Exarch, the little cutscene with Urianger

[indigo shale]

urianger stuff was a lie though, none of that happened, the exarch told him to make something up so they wouldnt find out his plan

[echo orbit]

It's a visualization, we know that we died because that's why Exarch went back

[cosmic zodiac]

|| the creation magic is already gone from the stone ||

[echo orbit]

||like honestly I find it hard to buy-in that Venat still could have failed with her future knowledge, and especially since to do that they had to write it so that she didn't tell Emet and Hyth about the future, eventhough literally in that part of the story she was all Yo Dude tell me the future anyways we can stop it!||

||that part to me felt especially contrived||

[indigo shale]

but if closed loops stories are a cop out does that make everything that follows them a cop out?

[echo orbit]

it's just my feeling on ||closed loops|| man, it really feeds into the artificialities of the media

[indigo shale]

||she did everything she did because of the future knowledge, she only sundered because she knew about the future, she never failed, she won||

[echo orbit]

that's really weak, since like I said ||that part of the story already established her as daring to go against the future anyways||

||only to 180 closed-it up because that's how square wanted the story to go||

god that still leaves a bad taste in my mouth

[indigo shale]

ShB is the result of a closed loop with alexander

[echo orbit]

No, it's not?

[maiden swallow]

Alexander is a closed loop

[echo orbit]

E.g. exarch

Alexander raid is closed, ShB is branched

anyways, don't take it too personally that I didn't like the story as much, different tastes man

[indigo shale]

yeah, i guess each to their own, personally i think its better than all of ShB, i dont like the branching timeline stuff, because when we realise that the other timeline goes on with everyone still dying to the calamity, it just feels odd, all those people we left to die

[cosmic zodiac]

A thought I had after talking with a friend

[echo orbit]

actually if i really wanted to critique EW from inside its own story, then ||dynamis presentation is hella strange||

[cosmic zodiac]

Now that || Crystal mom is gone, what about the blessing of Light? ||

[indigo shale]

||its an enchantment it will never go away||

[echo orbit]

||hermes creating meteion to traverse the rift using dynamis because that's where aether is weak, but I'm like cool but the rift don't got living beings so how the hell is dynamis there||

[cosmic zodiac]

Mhm

[echo orbit]

||it's not that dynamis can't be there, it's how it's explained with the whole emotion aspect and I'm like that makes no sense||

[indigo shale]

||hermes said dynamis makes up 66% percent of the universe||

[jade relic]

68.3% ||almost the same as dark matter in ours ||

[cosmic zodiac]

But her || creation magick enchantment on the crystal has gone away ||

[indigo shale]

||but cant be manipulated like aether||

[echo orbit]

||yeah, I know, but that still doesn't really relate it to the emotion part||

[late aurora]

Not by the ||ancients|| anyway

[indigo shale]

||because dynamis is based on emotion, which was discovered after the creation of the elpis flower||

||its a energy type||

[echo orbit]

||I'm asking, how the hell is it linked to emotion, make up 60 some percent of the universe, across the empty rift, when it's freakin empty of stuff that has emotions!||

||dynamis's link to emotion is what i'm questioning||

[maiden swallow]

||Dynamis is influenced by emotions but it dose not emotions||

[late aurora]

You know how signals just keep going and going until it hits something. Think of it that way

[echo orbit]

||the fact that it's even linked to emotion bothers me - they should have had it as an intrinsic energy linking all things to each other - in fact this could be what it actually is in game, but how it's presented just didn't really make sense to me||

||like the fact that the universe started from a single point could be the origin of how dynamis links all things to each other||

||and why it's everywhere in space, as opposed to aether||

[late aurora]

You know what

[tribal summit]

poggers found a typo in one of the studium questlines (incorrect punctuation)

[late aurora]

It’s magic, stop thinking about it

[maiden swallow]

||because dynamis is basically dark matter||

[echo orbit]

It's magic, I'll think about it if I want

[hoary frost]

||Because it's the energy that oppose Aether. Dynamis is unclear because the information we have on Dynamis isn't complete none of the character truly understand it, they clearly state it in the game multiple time. They have some logical conclusion they come to based on what they understand but they can't tell you it's 100% all that there is.||

[echo orbit]

||yeah dark matter with ties to emotion, when's the last time you got that? I don't mind the dark matter connection - I mind the emotion aspect of it||

[mint sail]

ah yes, the pre-sequel to Steins;gate

[unreal delta]

now think about this

||Do Dark Knights use Dynamis||

[viscid monolith]

Is it just me or are there more instances of npcs giving you exact directions on where you need to go next than in previous expansions?

[indigo shale]

lets do what we usually do and blame it on those damned allagans, its always them, with their funny hats

[echo orbit]

Of course we do, because DRK is powered by ||love||

[late aurora]

Most likely, yeah

[viscid monolith]

As in describing in detail where you need to walk. Go down the hallway, turn left at the tree, walk 10 ft etc

[indigo shale]

||the LB is dynamis as well||