retired-patch-6-3-discussion

[bold condor]

This isn't an argument about whether they're justified or not, I'm just saying what I see as sources of it.

[jade phoenix]

kind of hard to when people's complaints about garlemalds story is very very relevant to real world history lol

[kind lark]

Radz at han

[errant perch]

There are many references to irl that ffxiv makes

[ruby loom]

yeah, the key part about understanding the garleans is to put yourself in their shoes. you have to see the world how they see it in order to understand them fully and garlemald acts as a window into how garlean civilians lived, which outside of propanda induced indoctrination, was quite normal

as mentioned by one of the scions, we only ever saw garlean soldiers

[indigo shale]

so in their mind, we would have killed them anyway out of bloodlust

[gaunt star]

ofc it had a reason, but it still felt a little cheap ||like "oh wow is this not sad", and yes it is but it's still entirely their fault and i think that the lil blue haired kid was FAR more compelling||

[lone spear]

Ding dong question

[simple fiber]

is this the longest credits ever haha

[lone spear]

||If limit break is confirmed to be a manifestation of dynamis, how the heck does elidibus limit break us in SOS||

[ruby loom]

yeah, indoctrination of xenophobia and a superiority complex towards inferior races that "are there to hurt/destroy the garleans"

[humble heron]

I think another great thing to help indicate the differences is the radio theme, home on the horizon. We as players and wols have always associated it with despair and dread but the garleans view it as a source of hope for the future

[next quarry]

Aether

[jade phoenix]

that and citizens from the garlean capital just don't see magic, the army sheltered them from ever having to

[next quarry]

If you don't know how the answer is aether

[gaunt star]

ok ya that's fair, i imagine that garleans are terrified of thaumaturgy/black mages

[heavy cargo]

does endwalker msq give you a mount?

[jade phoenix]

and white mages, and scholars, and red mages, and paladins

[next quarry]

Yes

[indigo shale]

garlemald and the garleans are all kinds of fucked, to parts not their fault and to part their fault, but it doesnt mean we should dismiss them

[ruby loom]

exactly. but any magic in general

[lone spear]

So it can be done with either?

[jade phoenix]

everything we are, basically

[unborn umbra]

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[next quarry]

||Not sure they might have been recreating something like it with the power from the tower||

[humble heron]

Grow. Ripe. Eat

[marsh osprey]

at blizzard it would be called grope

[ruby loom]

those are the grapes azem jumped into a volcano for

[indigo shale]

oh yeah, nothing ever came of the apparent "father crystal" did it per se that we saw at the end of arr

[heavy cargo]

which mount do u get from endwalker msq? (name)

[gaunt star]

yeah, but redmages /paladins use a sword via strict technicality

[jade phoenix]

and lots of magic

[marsh osprey]

||the dog||

[gusty verge]

fandaniel is such a nutcase holy shit guys

[marsh osprey]

what was the fukin name again a something

[next quarry]

||Argos?||

[humble heron]

Which the name of the mount is ||argos||

[heavy cargo]

found it ty lmao

[humble heron]

@gusty verge hes probably more cashew than almond

[heavy cargo]

this dog looks weird wth

[next quarry]

Good boye

[heavy cargo]

literal golden retreiver wth

[lone spear]

It’s more of an Afghan hound

[humble heron]

Its actually basically just a one for one copy of a real breed, the hound

[urban phoenix]

yeah.....glowy and cute

[steady valve]

feels weird going back to the sycrus tower

[jade phoenix]

||garleans can't manipulate aether, and because of this they were driven from their homes to go rot in a frozen waste, (which is also what limsa did to the kobolds by the way), so like the beast tribes the ascians took advantage of a disadvantaged people to make them violent and extreme, then with that power emet gave them they created a vengeful imperialist nation that vowed that its citizens will never have to feel inadequate again||

[indigo shale]

||yeah that whole raid is going to feel odd knowing what we know now, even if the one there is a clone||

[jade phoenix]

||justified? not at all, the commanders like quintis absolutely deserved the punishment they got, but the civillians never deserved to suffer||

[marsh osprey]

man the preorder scythe is kinda cool

[next quarry]

Same one as the guy in job quest right

[fierce wing]

Sage is alright, but I feel that it lacks panic buttons, but rewards the player for being consistent.

[next quarry]

While the level 70 poetics one fits my glam more, I like it too

[fierce wing]

dat 15% party dmg mitigation tho

[ruby loom]

I think it's funny that we ||had to beat fandaniel four times in total over all the eras. first his amon clone, then fandaniel (amon) as zodiar, then as hermes before he became fandaniel (still the same soul) and then finally as the true amon in the aetherial sea/underworld||

[fierce wing]

It's like a better Sacred Soil. Sage is Sacred Soil+

[indigo shale]

||at least the theory of amon being emet is dispelled aswell also||

[drifting spoke]

||was the white haired guy at the end end azem?||

[humble heron]

@ruby loom would you say it was pretty ||sus|| to see him ||amon-gus||?

[wicked sage]

||Elidibus||

[jade phoenix]

||pretty sure that was elidibus||

[gaunt star]

i just want a sparkly, sfx scythe with mini-effects and shiny things

[urban phoenix]

didnt they change rdm that he can cast his melee stuff more often?

[gaunt star]

i hope we get a hades scythe :(

[urban phoenix]

or did i missunderstood something? Xd feels the same old with just an extra attack

[next quarry]

Kinna scythe!

[drifting spoke]

ok

[humble heron]

I bet the new ult will have something to that effect

[gaunt star]

i haven;t gotten to 150 yet </3

[next quarry]

Don't need to reach 150 to get kinna scythe

[errant perch]

Really hope they just add a literal farming sythe

[gaunt star]

i thought you did, i've already gotten to floor 100

[next quarry]

I haven't touched 101+ and I have 2 kinna weapons

[humble heron]

That sword needs some help

[jade phoenix]

this makes me want to play samurai real bad, i love this sword from the 85 dungeon

[fierce wing]

Reaper showing up in BTN gear

[urban phoenix]

samurai the worse reaper....

[fierce wing]

Here to reap some crops and do fieldwork. That's the end goal.

[worn cairn]

Is there a weekly limit to Allagan Tomestones of Aphorism? And which raid is the best to farm it?

[drifting spoke]

gonna pay a fortune to change my name to azem endwalker

[jade phoenix]

no limit

the limited tomestones will come out with the raid in 2 weeks iirc

[fierce wing]

oh boi speaking about that, i need to prep food and pots

[worn cairn]

Any recommended raid to farm?

[jade phoenix]

yeah none there's no endwalker raids out yet

[next quarry]

Expert roulette

[jade phoenix]

every roulette gives aphorism at max level

[next quarry]

Or join a pf that farm dungeons

[gaunt star]

i feel so dumb IVE HAD THE KINNA WEAPON THE ENITRE TIME??

[next quarry]

[gaunt star]

i thought u needed to get to 150... LMFAO

[urban phoenix]

nah just certain level of the weapon

[humble heron]

That just means ur more of a gamer™️ than you realized

[gaunt star]

its even funnier bc im using the corpse dancer title which is the same achievement that u get access to the kinna weapons with..

[next quarry]

Kinna is what, 100/100

[worn cairn]

Sry, I meant dungeons

[jade phoenix]

oh, just do any of the max level ones, first time bonuses in them will net you a lot of tomes

[next quarry]

Get the weapon first

Then chest/legs, in the meantime get some 560 accessories and a 570 ring

[jade phoenix]

i got the chestpiece first because it was cute 😎

[next quarry]

That's good enough for the EXs

[iron haven]

What's the dye color of ||Venat in the past||?

[urban phoenix]

what do you mean?

[iron haven]

what kind of white/grey ?

[urban phoenix]

the robes? hard to say

[worn cairn]

@jade phoenix any roulette will give that tomestone as long as we use the max lvl job?

@next quarry might join a pt then

[iron haven]

I wanna make the same robes

[urban phoenix]

white i would guess dumbly? XD

[iron haven]

not the normal white, I tried

[jade phoenix]

it tells you what the reward for doing the roulette on your current job is when you select it

[urban phoenix]

snowwhite from the store?

[jade phoenix]

for instance, i see this when i select 50/60/70/80 roulette as a level 90 @worn cairn

[worn cairn]

Ah I see. And which quest I should do to be able to dye lvl 90 gears?

[ruby loom]

role quests

[mint sail]

Dyeable lv90 job gear is from role quests iirc

[simple fiber]

the role quests

[jade phoenix]

role quests

[worn cairn]

Where’s that?

[ruby loom]

you find them in radz at han

[worn cairn]

Ah that war council meeting?

[ruby loom]

yes

[worn cairn]

Are there any EW dungeons that drop a mount or minion?

[next quarry]

No, only the EXs do as far as I'm aware

Well they drop minions

[kind lark]

Does anyone know how to get the starbird minion?

[worn cairn]

I see. Does Minstrell ballad counted as EX?

[next quarry]

Yes

[humble heron]

Yes

[worn cairn]

Minions eh

[humble heron]

Also im pretty sure i got a minion drop from a dungeon, lol

[next quarry]

I can say that EX2 is not bad, just need the tanks to pull adds when they need to

Yes all dungeons have minions, and EXs have Mounts

[humble heron]

Oh i see

[next quarry]

The mount this expac is ||Lynx||

I have yet to see one though

[humble heron]

You saw a chainlynx fence playing as thancred, though

[rugged comet]

Endwalker credits spoilers ||what option did you guys pick after waking up in the ship being healed, Graha got mad at me for asking if everyone else was ok||

[fierce wing]

There's a fate that rewards a mount in the last zone.

[worn cairn]

Which mount?

[next quarry]

Have to do it twice though

[rugged comet]

I got one from the 4th dungeon

[fierce wing]

this one

[ruby loom]

I got the orchestrion roll from smileton on my first run 👍

[worn cairn]

Minion?

[rugged comet]

Yes a minion

[next quarry]

I want prince lunatender

[fierce wing]

Nice, that place sounds great

[ruby loom]

yeah, immediately went into the jukebox

[humble heron]

Wait, so are you in the checker?

[worn cairn]

How hard is minstrell dungeon for EW?

[fierce wing]

yeah you're inside it.

[prisma vine]

yes you are zook

[worn cairn]

Kinda want the mount

[next quarry]

It's an EX, doable if you watched a vid/practice

[humble heron]

Haha fuck now i have to get it

[fierce wing]

Rush it now in those FATE discords, since areas are instanced, otherwise the original timer is like 48h per boss

[half phoenix]

||Level Checker. You need to clear it twice though||

[fierce wing]

Its a chain FATE in ||Ultima Thule||

[half phoenix]

Because of the maintenance last night it won’t spawn for a couple days

[fierce wing]

wat

[worn cairn]

I see. Might gonna max my gear first and then farm EX mount.

[next quarry]

Tbh just do fates in general in UT for the orchestrion roll

[fierce wing]

Yeah that place has gud music too

[worn cairn]

How hard is the elite(?) hunt?

[next quarry]

A ranks?

[half phoenix]

And yea, you need i560 for the EXs to begin with

[fierce wing]

I saw some guy get slapped by a ||Mousse Princess|| for 53k dmg.

[half phoenix]

The ones from the board? Easy, just B ranks

[next quarry]

Need to find it though

[worn cairn]

I forgot the top one called

[half phoenix]

That’s why I’m asking, “the ones from the board?”

[worn cairn]

Yup

[simple axle]

paissa mount where?

[half phoenix]

They’ll be a but tough right now, due to lower damage and armor, but if you keep on pace with content release they’ll get fairly easy by 6.2

[worn cairn]

I see

[half phoenix]

No idea, current guess is cash shop

[worn cairn]

When is 6.1 or 6.2?

[half phoenix]

6.1 would be late March to early April following the standard pattern

And the B ranks are totally killable as is, just takes a minute or two

[worn cairn]

Oh wow. No new content till then?

[half phoenix]

.....

We JUST got the expansion

[ruby loom]

why surprised? this has always been the way the content is released

[vernal nacelle]

Okay so umm... when you go back to ||Sharlayan after the moon and you're in your room and hear a knock at the door, are you actually PICKING who shows up, or is it always G'raha and I just guessed right?||

[hollow ice]

and were still getting raids in like a month

[half phoenix]

Like the expansion officially released YESTERDAY

[lean ore]

the same xd

[humble heron]

We get normal raids in like 2 weeks

[worn cairn]

I didn’t notice it. My bad

[humble heron]

Take a wild guess

[vernal nacelle]

@worn cairn Normal raids in 2 weeks. Savage raids 2 weeks after that.

[worn cairn]

Thanks!

[half phoenix]

Yea, Pandaemonium in 2 weeks, then savage and treasure dungeons 2 weeks after that

[fierce wing]

anyone knows the kumbi map drops tho?

[vernal nacelle]

@humble heron Well being as I guessed ||G'raha and he showed up I'm thinking MAYBE you pick who shows up, but also G'raha is the WoL ultimate fanboy so it could just be I was right in guessing it's him and it's always him.||

[ruby loom]

no worries, I just hope you aren't disappointed finding out about that this way :/

[half phoenix]

Probably not that many people bothering with it yet

[humble heron]

Its whoever you pick

[vernal nacelle]

That

[rugged comet]

In true fashion we worry about everyone else before ourselves

[fierce wing]

i found the phonograph plate tho

[ruby loom]

I picked ||alphinaud cause he's been our buddy for ages||

[vernal nacelle]

That's really neat.

[humble heron]

They actually did this in shb, too, lamer

[half phoenix]

I’m prioritizing alt leveling over gathering and crafting leveling right now (letting the crafters figure out the optimal route to go for get to 90 first)

[vernal nacelle]

I picked ||Raha because my WoL is a catgrill and he's a cute catboi and she would -totally- husbando him up.||

[fierce wing]

It's prolly levequest

[gaunt star]

NPCs sure keen on flying today aren't they?

[fierce wing]

speaking from experience

[hollow ice]

spoiler tags man

[half phoenix]

Yes, but which. Like how we’d wait to see “okay this might give more, but this needs less work to complete so it’s more efficient”

[fierce wing]

Sea Salt from 80-90 CUL

[gaunt star]

can't post-send a spoiler for an image :(
still if someone's in 6.0 discussion there's nothing to spoil there

[humble heron]

You can spoiler an image before posting, yes

[vernal nacelle]

@humble heron Oh god, I can actually -totally- see people headcanoning ||(if they pick their waifu to be at the door) that their WoL invited them to stay instead of letting them leave at the end of that cutscene. xD||

[fierce wing]

yeah you can.

[humble heron]

It also is possible on mobile if you tap the image

[steady valve]

looks absolutely amazing

[urban phoenix]

you guys really got that screenshotting ingrained....

[steady valve]

I got a few more good screenshots

[urban phoenix]

im always so in awe i forget

[ruby loom]

got over 1GB

[urban phoenix]

thats my only good one

[inner ice]

does anything special happen if you bring Y'shtola into the 85 dungeon trust?

[inner ice]

|| she can't see the monsters right? ||

[humble heron]

||i assume it just works as normal||

[half phoenix]

||She can, in a round about way||

[urban phoenix]

still can hear and smell

maybe something grounded? like after all its kinda back to roots as a adventurer

[half phoenix]

||Since she sees aether, I’d assume she can see a LACK of aether||

[steady valve]

||ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWER||

[humble heron]

First we party

[half phoenix]

Main story, or just in general?

[urban phoenix]

emet selch also chastised us that we are sad when we have so much to explore

im still sad....i miss emmy 😦

[humble heron]

Someone said yesterday that ||we are taking the dai gundam to fight the anti spiral||

[steady valve]

that was me

[humble heron]

Ah lol well im stupid

[urban phoenix]

😂

[half phoenix]

Because somehow we’re going to ||Corvos, most likely as the Adventuring Foray zone of EW|| They mention it too much

[humble heron]

Honestly best part of the expansion is ||burger||

[steady valve]

the fact that when they take bites the food actual gets bitten

[urban phoenix]

i doubt that. we burned through the whole mothercrystal just for our jump back and forth between meteions place

[half phoenix]

||She already “fixed” it, like how we “fixed” the Empty||

[humble heron]

They put more effort and art direction into the food than they did graha tia in 5.3

[urban phoenix]

also this. she threw in new seed fore new life

[half phoenix]

||Those worlds at present are dead||

[urban phoenix]

ugh dont remember me of my violation!

[urban phoenix]

dead of civilizations

[humble heron]

Gotta say ||fandaniel definitely rocks that butler outfit||

[half phoenix]

||Yea, the entire world they’re on is dead||

[urban phoenix]

and with her negative song she made sure no new life can spring up. so what if you remove the negative influence even better add a positive influence? life will thrive again.

[indigo shale]

||fandaniel saying "daddy" while wearing that outfit was something i was not prepared for||

[urban phoenix]

the rest is up to evolution 🙂

[dusty cobalt]

Around level 88, ||did we actually meet Azem? There was someone in the sides noticing something familiar, i guess like the sigil of her own?||

[steady valve]

I think thats the last of my good ones

[indigo shale]

||well we were pretty much dead, no way to get to him to bring his body back||

[urban phoenix]

thank good i still have a 70 character left over

[half phoenix]

||1 world were all life just ceased to exist one day, a handful who were wiped out by war, potentially by the omicrons, some who just went stagnant like the Ea.||

[urban phoenix]

imma play through shb as a reaper, and then ew

[indigo shale]

||his voidsent gets a free soul though to consume, so no chance of coming back i think||

[urban phoenix]

and i will make many screenies!!!!!

[half phoenix]

Speaking of that, ||at the end, before we wake up on the cot/stretcher, was that our soul reforming???||

[humble heron]

The savage raid is ||not getting thirsty over hythlodaeus||

[indigo shale]

||meeting elidibus proper will be interesting||

[half phoenix]

Yea, ||We’re still waiting for Lahabrea’s and Elidibus’s real names too||

[humble heron]

Im pretty sure lahabrea's real name is ||weaksauce||

[indigo shale]

lahabrea is likely mateus, just based on ff2 and ff12 at least

[humble heron]

Maybe its soken

[simple fiber]

I'll admit, I was pleasantly surprised that Elidibus wasn't ||Hermes||

[indigo shale]

elidibus, who knows his real name, any ideas?

[rugged comet]

No ||it's just our soul coming back to our body and not dying||

[simple fiber]

Now that we know another deity it isn't... I'm honestly not sure.

I go back to Sisyphus perhaps

[indigo shale]

maybe apollo?

[half phoenix]

Well don’t know the the actual role of his seat so we have nothing to go by

[indigo shale]

his role is emissary

[half phoenix]

No, that’s be one of the Azem’s

[upper cave]

||I wonder why they decided to keep Meteion alive, not sure what use she would have in the future. Couldn't she just cause The Final Days again?||

[indigo shale]

the seat of elidibus is emissary its why hes white robed and how he is alwys introduced

[rugged comet]

Azem is the traveler not the emissary

[half phoenix]

His role isn’t “emissary” that’s ||the one he took up as an Ascian||

[eager gull]

Does anyone know when we're getting new game+ for EW? I seriously need to do that again

[indigo shale]

hmm, but hes still white robed, so im going to think its the same

[half phoenix]

No, I meant the name Apollo. ||Since Venat specific references the original person who had that seat||

[half phoenix]

||So does Venat, white robes probably just mean non-conformity||

[urban phoenix]

do we know where they got the names from actually?

[steady valve]

||when your wife spends your entire life savings||

[urban phoenix]

i mean hermes yeah greek....but emet selch venat hytlodeus?

[rugged comet]

||the final days was caused by her sisters becoming ultra nihilist, the last meteion is the one we hung out with so she has more hope and defense against that||

[half phoenix]

Hythlodaeus is from “Utopia” from the 1500s

[urban phoenix]

not that i call em so....they are emmy venny and hydie xD

[half phoenix]

Venat is apparently from another FF, not sure which, or the source that one got it from. Not sure about Emer-Selch.

[rugged comet]

She's from 12

They're named after espers iirc

[urban phoenix]

||remember the quest where you need to ask emet selch for help? I literally wrote "Emmy I need your help please" and players around me exploded in a laughing flash||

[half phoenix]

Was there an esper named Emet-Selch??

[urban phoenix]

yeah its hindu based

[rugged comet]

That's their convocation title

Hades was Emets real name Rakarrak

[urban phoenix]

yeah thats their convocation title.....

[hollow ice]

the titles are based on the scion of light the espers opposed from ff12

[upper cave]

||I wonder what her purpose in the story will be going forward or if they're just gonna leave it at her flying away though I feel like that would be a waste of a character.||

[half phoenix]

I never played 12. Never had a playstation

[hollow ice]

its on switch now

[eager gull]

||She's going to listen to performances||

[urban phoenix]

holy shit where does this come from

[indigo shale]

elidibus is from tactics, something to do with zodiark there aswell

[rugged comet]

||she did say she'd be silent forever, I think she is gone due to the risk she poses||

[upper cave]

Where is that from?

[urban phoenix]

i knew it came from ff12 but i didnt even knew ff12 had scions of light

[eager gull]

The fanfest where they revealed the Collab

[indigo shale]

well they have nothing to do with each other

[rugged comet]

He tells you his real name in Shb though....

[urban phoenix]

my mind is blown....

[indigo shale]

yoshi-p just loves matsunos work, so its mainly conicidence but some parallels can be drawn

[urban phoenix]

if they have nothing to do with each other why then.....damn you yoshi p!

[iron haven]

Not spoilers from 6.0, but as I'm doing the MSQ I forgot something : who is Zenos again ? It was in late SHB but I forgot

[indigo shale]

FF likes referencing other FF games, but none are related, for example omega is in almost eevery ff but none are the same omega

[urban phoenix]

the dude you slaughtered in stormblood. who possessed seiryu

[rugged comet]

Son of Varis, he's a prince of garlemald

[urban phoenix]

and a dick

[iron haven]

Not an Ascian or smth ? Just some random uber strong dude ?

[indigo shale]

ivalice aswell is from ff12, if you ever play it you will recognise a lot

[hollow ice]

he was like the final boss of base stormblood

[urban phoenix]

yeap just an anomaly who i obsessed with you (wol)

[rugged comet]

He got a modified echo after experimentation

[iron haven]

yeah I remember the obsession but as I'm doing 6.0 he's just weird

[rugged comet]

He's supposed to be weird

[iron haven]

Experimentation from who ?

[rugged comet]

Himself

[indigo shale]

with the help of aulus

[hollow ice]

remember when krile was kidnapped and we saved her but not before zenos and fordola got the fake echo

[indigo shale]

and he copied kriles echo somewhat

[iron haven]

Ok he's just very weird, on the side of ascians

[hollow ice]

zenos isnt on anyones side but his own

[indigo shale]

well no, hes not on their side,

[iron haven]

I meant not on the ascians side, he's aside from the whole story, I mispoke

[indigo shale]

its more both are using each other to achieve seperate goals

[kind lark]

Hunt isn't on anyone's side. A lone wolf

[iron haven]

Ascians doing their stuff, Scions doing their stuff, and Zenos just rages on on the side

[rugged comet]

||if he helped you save the world you couldn't say no to a fight||

[urban phoenix]

i wanna replay ew ._.

[iron haven]

definitely gonna do ng+ soon after

[hollow ice]

zenos is funding fandaniel cuz he promised him help in getting a rematch with wol

[urban phoenix]

hes literally your vegetar to the wol son goku

[indigo shale]

well fandan doesnt need funding

[rugged comet]

Fandaniel was funding zenos

[urban phoenix]

just without the positive change....obsessed with winning against you

[indigo shale]

its why he took over asahi because house brutus is very rich

[steady valve]

||I don't know if someone already replied this, but I'm pretty sure the mothercrystal is gone because zenos ate it to turn into shinryu and fly to us||

[still wren]

Zenos clicked for me ||he went through all the trouble of making all of these atrocities and more because he knew that would draw the WoL to fight him and nothing else, at the end he realizes and respects the WoL for what they do but ultimately he just wants to have a fight for fun, and I loved how they humanized him in this expansion, he never cared for becoming the strongest, to create the next big calamities or anything other than that, it was all just for that 1v1||

[steady valve]

||not because we used it to jump to ultima thule||

[indigo shale]

||crystal will still be there, itll be the same as normal summoning, channelling the aether from the crystal upon to himself||

[hollow ice]

Zenos character arc is being the 1 pvp player who finally found a worthy opponent but the que was too long

[lean ore]

|| Also when Alisaie called him out, she definitely clicked a button seeing his reaction xD ||

[steady valve]

||but zenos said he 'gorged' it, though I guess whether or not he actually ate it is debatable||

[indigo shale]

||gorge is used in the same way channelling is sometimes in this game depending on how dramatic someone wants to be||

[steady valve]

||the thought of zenos eating out the mothercrystal is now haunting me||

[lean ore]

|| he probably infused the remaining aether to himself to turn into Shinryu || ||doubt he got any form of power up tho ||

[charred minnow]

||I loved how genuinely happy he sounded in that 1v1||

[ruby loom]

||he consumed the rest of the crystallized aether of the mother crystal to become shinryu once more||

[lean ore]

|| in 6.1 he comes back to join us in the new arc ||

[urban phoenix]

yeah

[lean ore]

https://i.redd.it/88dqrdpgsa481.png

[ruby loom]

not enough bgm

[indigo shale]

||there is no way anyone their let him actually eat the crystal||

[lean ore]

needs to go 500 and fill the rest of the screen

[steady valve]

actually have a pic of ||zenos calling out people who don't like him||

[charred minnow]

That didn't quite get me ||but Meteion asking to be friends after the fight did||

[marsh thunder]

is there any new glam gear from the new treasure maps?

[ruby loom]

I loved that point

[steady valve]

||kinda felt like that scene wasn't just for jullus||

[mystic imp]

For all the shit I like to give him I absolutely love this moment

[lean ore]

that was a good one tbh

[vivid notch]

time to redo my SMN bars RIP

[charred minnow]

||I kinda want bird people to be a playable race but I doubt it'll happen||

[vivid notch]

PainPeko

[indigo shale]

||yeah it would be impossible for it to make sense||

||beings made of non aether, we wouldnt be able to use any jobs, have the blessing, have echo or anything||

[kind lark]

||Go to the aetherial sea and have hermes/amon to create a meteion race||

[charred minnow]

||It would make no sense, I agree, fair enough||

[ruby loom]

||I hoped, especially after given the choice (Come with us, Meteion), that she'd return with us and stay with the WoL as basically our familiar and to learn "to walk" on new adventures. I sure hope Meteion shows up again outside of that bit at the end in Mor Dhona||

[indigo shale]

it would be cool, but unfortunately something that couldn't work lore wise

[lean ore]

Still cant get over this guy

[ruby loom]

||asahi|| - a dickhead from start to finish

[pulsar current]

Fucking loved that whole dungeon

[charred minnow]

God ||fuck Asahi so much||

[lean ore]

same, it was great XD

[indigo shale]

||asahi is such an asshole but a great character imo||

[rugged comet]

To be fair ||only her sisters tried, the one blue bird was her trying in vain not to||

[steady valve]

||was yotsuyu anywhere during our time in the aetherial sea?||

[lean ore]

|| i was surprised how calm he was in general, specially in everyones presence, even if hes dead xD ||

[pulsar current]

Guess who didn’t die to the boss bc they did Syrcus tower earlier that week l m a o

[lean ore]

lmao

[ruby loom]

||I doubt she'll be connected to the next raid, Pandaemonium which is linked to the story through elidibus and the alliance raid will be about discovering the true identities of the twelve||

[hasty drum]

why did it take me this long to realize that Urianger is a Disney prince(ss)?

[charred minnow]

I- what

[robust crescent]

level 89 spoilers
||remember.||

[lean ore]

pain

[ruby loom]

that's actually level 90 but yeah ||we did remember that he once lived||

[tulip geyser]

Moonbuns

[robust crescent]

quest was level 89

[charred minnow]

||I love him being like 'fucks sake I told you to remember and didn't realize I'd forgotten goddammit'||

[robust crescent]

time for this amazing trial i've heard alot about, heard it's actually hard

[lean ore]

that line was so good too ;o

[tulip geyser]

You know its a small thing ||but I do like the bit of resentment, even untempered, Emet and Eli have for Hydaelyn. Yeah she did it all so people could learn to counter dynamis but she stiiilll kinda busted up the current world for it||

[charred minnow]

||Yeah, it entirely makes sense||

[steady valve]

xcept the rabbits are a highly technologically advanced race that are capable of creating and piloting celestial vessels

[rugged comet]

how mad do you think he was ||After going to the aether sea, remembering EVERYTHING from Elpis he may have been miffed when we summoned him but i bet he was a very angry mass of soul after remembering everything that caused the final days on his world||

[charred minnow]

||He's always grumpy, but that would've been a whole new level of mad||

[lean ore]

its fine || Hythlodaeus calmed him down kekw ||

[tulip geyser]

||"Godsdammit Hermes!" echos through the Sea ||

[mystic imp]

||I see it as the world, as it's was for the Ancients, was f'ed anyway. All she did was delay the inevitable by a few milenia so that we might have fighting chance ||

[tidal mauve]

chip and dale

[rugged comet]

||To be fair she tried to counter it in their current world but everyone was so used to a utopia they didn't WANT tow ork for it they just wanted it back, it was a complicated situation, she just decided that them not having an easier time creating the world they'd like would teach them how to handle dynamis, which worked||

[charred minnow]

||Hythlodaeus is such a good boi||

[mystic imp]

The best

[steady valve]

||Pretty mad, though he already remembered during the brief time in the ending of ShB. It can be inferred that when he said 'remember us' he wasn't asking you to carry on the legacy of the ascians he was asking 'you' specifically to remember'||

[charred minnow]

||Oh my god yes, I talked to him at every opportunity in Elpis just to bug him||

[tulip geyser]

||Dynamis is such a double edged blade. Real powerful buuut for the sundered it can erase your entire existance.
So thats fun||

[lean ore]

|| I didnt think id like Emet more than i already did but damn he was great once again ||

[halcyon violet]

EW ending spoilers ||the story is incredibly bad, I'm extremely disappointed||

[mystic imp]

😟

[half phoenix]

He literally said ||that he used the last of the mother crystal||

[indigo shale]

||well that doesnt mean its destroyed||

[lean ore]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-saitama-one-punch-man-anime-gif-11600291

[indigo shale]

||you can use the last of whats in a cup without obliterating it||

[rugged comet]

Could be said that ||When he helped us against Elidibus that was him also working towards the future, he realized that Zodiark probably wasn't the greatest plan at that point||

[charred minnow]

||then he tells you anyway whilst Emet's helping the serpent fly||

[indigo shale]

||and i highly doubt anyone in sharlayan would agree to zenos smashing the crystal to pieces||

[steady valve]

tell that to thor

[halcyon violet]

I mean, it has nice emotional moments. But they were clearly utterly unqualified to touch topics like ||the Fermi paradox or the great filter, and the anime bird girl becoming the destroyer of worlds was way too cheesy||

[half phoenix]

||It was the culmination of millennia if ambient aether, it’s gone.||

[indigo shale]

||its like a battery, the battery will still be there and can be recharged, its how hydae describes the crystal to us, as an accumulator||

[charred minnow]

||I love how he's personally offended when you describe the future to him, what a guy||

[urban phoenix]

they rabbits confirmed we literally burned it all up with our trip

[half phoenix]

||No... it is gone, a new one will have to reform. But the mothercrystal wasn’t even anything special, just a collection of ambient either at the core of the world. Hydaelyn was hiding behind it every time we went there.||

[indigo shale]

||the aether got burned up not the crystal itself||

[steady valve]

||I mean you literally told him he became a maniacal madman who recreated his home through magiks because he can't get over the fact that they're all dead, and the fact that he's commiting mass genocide. That would piss any one off||

[indigo shale]

||thats why the primals were summoned so we wouldnt have to break the crystal too get the aether||

[urban phoenix]

no the crystal ||IS aether. and it was then transformed through the prayers into the primals we see with garuda complaining etc.||

[charred minnow]

||true||

[charred minnow]

||this technically means Good King Moggle Mog was instrumental in saving the universe||

[half phoenix]

||No.... we had the primals summoned so we didn’t have to transport a 5-10 story tall crystal up to the ship||

Remember aether crystals are consumed IN THEIR ENTIRETY when a primal is summoned.

[olive spruce]

okay I have 1 major criticism towards EW story (last quest spoiler): ||when they sacrifice to spread aether into Ultima Thule, the lack of reaction from the crew, specially in the case of Thancred and Estiniein gives away they will reborn||

[rugged comet]

I thought it was because ||They are literally in a place where emotion is king, so they can't react too strongly||

[steady valve]

||personally the sacrifice bit was a little too cheesy and came off without that much impact even without the knowledge that they'll be reborn||

[olive spruce]

I mean... If they at least at some point said that I would believe it, but since nothing is mentioned I'm just like meh

[rugged comet]

It's too be implied because that's all they talk about in that area, and the ||Final days showing that strong negative emotions causing the transformations||

[hollow ice]

they also keep telling you how ||they steeled themselves for this moment and are doing their best not to break down||

[olive spruce]

still ||they don't even question anything about Thancred, Meteion tells you he's dead and every one is like "eh, okay"||

[steady valve]

||no meteor said he's 'here' but not here, implying that he's atleast somewhere there albeit not physically||

[rugged comet]

||She literally tells them she unmade him but his soul is what gave her realm form and an ability to breath||

[hollow ice]

||alphinaud questions it, but its a bit overruled by his anger at meteion which he gets under control for the mission, then he gets sad again when he loses estinien but again his sister peps him up a bit and he peps you in turn||

[olive spruce]

||yeah, exactly, like he's dead lmao and everyone isn't either thankful or in sorrow||

[rugged comet]

Again ||They are in a place composed of Dynamis, they can't become sorrowful, that's the entire point if them steeling themselves||

[olive spruce]

||idk I just didn't like it... compared to the rest of the story that has such well constructed depth in emotions, it felt really lacking, specially in a place where all there is are emotions||

[olive spruce]

||then at least tackle it from that PoV... someone could start becoming sorrowful and someone else remembers they can't, but there is no mention at all||

[indigo shale]

||they do mention quite a few times how thancred allowed them to press forward, but they cant react because in a realm contolled by dynamis and metion if they react to strong they will be immediately undone||

[steady valve]

||imo they can be sorrowful or mournful, the emotion they can't have is despair||

[rugged comet]

||I was any strong negative emotion I thought, because they were told to keep their anger in check to for Julius, he wasn't despaired he was PISSED but he was still told to keep calm||

[indigo shale]

||well sorrow and mourning are synonyms of despair||

[olive spruce]

||I understand the logic behind it, I just think the execution of the story deliverance was not on par with the rest of the expansion||

[indigo shale]

||it was perfectly executed,||

[steady valve]

||sorrow is synonymous to grief, despair is the total absence of hope||

[olive spruce]

it's like ||John Snow killing Khaleesi, it does make sense, but the way they deliver it is poopoo||

[halcyon violet]

||I agree but people will fervently disagree with us||

[rugged comet]

I ask this question ||We had an entire expac leading up to this, various moments where characters had various emotions and conflicts that led to this, the final moment, they touch on emotions well, and each of the 'new paths' is the characters coming to terms with a similar event that almost left them without hope, but all of the characters already accepted they might not return, that's why they push on||

[indigo shale]

||the thing is any strong emotion undoes them, doesnt have to be negative anyway, ||

[rugged comet]

that wasn't really a question my bad ugo

[halcyon violet]

||they tried to tackle topics which were out of their league IMO, namely the Fermi paradox and the great filter ||

[indigo shale]

||if you dont understand dynamis and metion i can see why you think its badly executed||

[frail bridge]

||The most satisfying moment in the finale of 6.0 for me was Zenos showing up to help you and the 1vs1 you have with him at the end.||

[olive spruce]

||yeah, I know, and I agree and that's what makes this expansion is a masterpiece in terms of narrative and story... BUT I firmly believe that part in specific could be executed in a better way, it's not that it doesn't make sense it's just that the absence of anyone mentioning it felt super weird||

[halcyon violet]

They also keep ||fake killing characters which make it have absolutely 0 impact whatsoever. Oh no there goes yshtola to fake die again and come back in 10 mins. I legit didn't feel anything at all when they supposedly sacrificed themselves cuz I knew it was just fluff and wasnt gonna lead anywhere||

[hollow sapphire]

I've got a question regarding the story- Spoilers for the lvl 85 dungeon: ||If the creatures are devoid of Aether, how can Y'shtola still fight with them if she can only sense people by their aether? ||

[steady valve]

||they kinda already tackled these topics, midgard has always said he's from another 'star' same with omega so the concept of alien civilizations was already there even at ARR||

[frail bridge]

||It was just excellent to have such an "Villain" in this expansion, I just loved her character through.||

[rugged comet]

||She's sensing the giant hole that they are, she can see where there is a giant gaping lack of it||

[olive spruce]

it has nothing to do with the logic behind it, but how it was delivered

[indigo shale]

||well it was always obvious they were coming back, they teased it before we even entered the starship, with hydaelyn infusing azems stone||

[rugged comet]

I disagree ||They bring it up quite a few times, and it had been mentioned prior, I still believe the final place composed of emotion energy is not the place to really show characters going into despair, especially considering its supposed to be the final leg, the part where they need to be 120% ready for, that's why we fight Hydaleyn with them||

[steady valve]

||besides the EA, we already know that the civilizations of dragons and the omicrons already exist outside our homeworld we just didn't know they were dead||

[ornate oar]

https://tenor.com/view/thriller-michael-jackson-eating-popcorn-watching-gif-5577709

[halcyon violet]

||that's not the issue. The issue is that the execution was bad. And the big bad of the entire game so far, that caused everything from the sundering to now is an anime girl with an existencial crisis||

[next quarry]

So many black bars

[olive spruce]

||they don't once they are in Ultima... again, specially in Thancred's case and Estinien case, the reaction is too brief be it sorrow or not, even if it was just thankfulness||

[kind lark]

||Vader is Luke's father||

[olive spruce]

sry, it's literally about the last quest so we need to be extra careful lol

[next quarry]

I know, is just a lot of spoiler

[ornate oar]

||the big bad isn't her the big bad of the expansion is nihlisim overall as a concept, basically despair.||

[round heart]

How to do black bar?

[ornate oar]

/ spoiler

[olive spruce]

|| text ||

[halcyon violet]

||nihilism doesnt equate despair to begin with||

[indigo shale]

||well excuse them for not wanting to die immediately because in a realm where you cna be undone on a whim by emoting to hard||

[ornate oar]

ok and?

[frail bridge]

||That was why i felt the end of the expansion so hard. It shows that emotions when they go out of hand can do so much harm.||

[steady valve]

||the anime girl with the existensial crisis thing yeah kinda, the introduction to alien worlds no, how they introduced to us that alien lifeform do exist came up pretty organically imo||

[olive spruce]

yeah, nvm, that's the type of message that drives me away from a discussion

[indigo shale]

||youre complaining that they arent suiciding , by letting them selves break, if they did that it would make the whole hydaelyn fight for nothing, the reason they were tested was to ensure hydaelyn they wouldnt give in to emotion when confronting metion||

[steady valve]

||while the entire expac is pretty good, I am kinda irked that zodiark is literally just a footnote of the journey when they hyped it as the 'end of the hydaleyn zodiark ark'||

[olive spruce]

||not really, I just think they could have at some point said "yo, I'm glad I'm not in despair and I'm thankful to Thancred"||

[halcyon violet]

||the alien worlds was okay, I didn't say that was the issue. The issue for me anyway is that the execution was extremely cheesy, it completely took me out of the story and made me not be able to take it seeious at all||

[indigo shale]

||they did, they thanked thancred and the others multiple times||

[ornate oar]

i think they did though, just not in voiced cutscene

[hushed oar]

im pretty sure they did say stuff like that tho || about being thankful for the oxygen ect from thancred ||

[indigo shale]

||they were always going on about not letting the others sacrifices go in vain and to press forward||

[hushed oar]

|| then estinien sacrificed for the wind to get em to next bit ||

[ornate oar]

yall overall reading this chat time to time i feel like people only pay attention to the story when its voiced

[olive spruce]

||I read it all and altho they do, it's too brief for such event... it's a SACRIFICE a friend that has been with you since the first quest made for you to be able to proceed...||

[half phoenix]

||It’s like the primal reveal, we basically were told indirectly, that they aren’t the biggest part of the story||

[ruby loom]

yeah loads of people do not pay any real attention or take everything at face value. the five braincells one needs to look past that and get deeper into it are too much for some

[ornate oar]

oh nah trust i myself felt that the part was weak and a bit weird, but there at least was an explenation as to why it happened

[hushed oar]

|| and if they had a big cry about it they were likely to mutate into the monsters we were fighting|| so they remained calm

[indigo shale]

||again they are in a realm where to much emotion can kill them, that wouldnt be honoring the sacrifice it would be stupid ||

[halcyon violet]

||even in-game they know the plot armoe will save them so they don't care much||

[olive spruce]

oh yeah, I know... it makes sense and there is a knot there to tie it up... but I feel that the knot was too weak

that's my whole point

[ornate oar]

||well they sorta already knew before with a certain crystal getting buffed||

[olive spruce]

||that's not true, too much emotion won't kill them... despair will... they can be thankful, they can be happy and so on...||

[hushed oar]

|| so they should be really happy thancred is dead? ||

[indigo shale]

||well its not despair that gets any of them, its the counter emotion, be it hope, friendship or happiness ||

[olive spruce]

||I mean, we know that they know, but the characters don't realize it up until mommy tell them, meaning the lack of sorrow for a friend that in their mind won't be coming back feels super weird||

[ornate oar]

||but cmon they reale ball busted us with that launch trailer, i was playing the game and thinking when the fuck is alphinaud dying||

[olive spruce]

not my point lmao

[ornate oar]

https://tenor.com/view/xd-meme-funny-emoji-gif-15406750

[hushed oar]

so what is it then?

[olive spruce]

you'd have to read the entire convo :v

[hushed oar]

yeh nvm then lol

[inner ice]

(86 spoilers) || since we see and communicate with Hythlodaeus, does him calling us his "old new friend" take on different meaning? or does it still refer to us being a sundering of Azem's soul ||

[half phoenix]

||too much of any emotion, dynamis reacts to everything.||

[halcyon violet]

||my problem is that there's 0 stakes. All the scions have plot armor and will never die, so any emotional moment has 0 impact. Since minfilia and papalymo (and papalymo had like 5 lines of dialogue before) they only have killed characters recently introduced||

[hushed oar]

have you finished that zone || i think it takes on the same meaning|| dont click if u havent done dungeon, || cus he has his memory wiped so he wouldnt remember we were his old friend ||

[ornate oar]

||but one thing i can say is that the game really ended beautifully , you can quit the game now tbh and feel like it actually ended||

[half phoenix]

||Probably both||

[inner ice]

is this to me? i will not click since i just started the zone

[olive spruce]

||well fuck, then the Final Days are easy ain't they?||

[hushed oar]

yeh dont do it then, vaskel. you will find out

[ruby loom]

||yeah azem soul at that point. it's not until zodiark is dead that he remembers us from elpis||

[steady valve]

||probably not, at that time he was probably only reffering to old as in azem but not your time at elpis because 'that' hythlo was just a shade created by emet, who at the time also doesn't remember you||

[inner ice]

though i guess this answer depends on what the game considers the flow of time to be

[steady valve]

||time travel is wierd mang||

[inner ice]

since alexander was a clusterfuck and i refuse to take what it presented as the answer

[olive spruce]

||if that's true than Meteion just simply didn't want to invoke the Final Days||

[ornate oar]

||the time travel part felt very cliche to me but i gave it a pass since i loved the whole elpis arc||

[inner ice]

i gotta say how wild this fucking story is

[hushed oar]

ye i loved it too, guna do all the side quests of that zone first

[ruby loom]

alex was a closed loop ||and so was our trip to elpis thanks to kairos removing memories and the events gave venat the drive to eventually oppose the convocation and zodiark, as she admitted before when drinking tea that she saw no reason to go against their decision||

[inner ice]

like, were they on meth when making this expansion

[olive spruce]

don't click Snipps message @inner ice

[inner ice]

or some other mind altering drug, i refuse to believe someone wasnt

[ornate oar]

||from my understanding that is what happened, she was simply overwhelmed by all the other civs lost to despair and shit||

[kind lark]

||I was worried when eldi mentioned traveling back in time, time travel is a very hard thing to pull off without making everything go weird/shit||

[half phoenix]

||If Meteion was saying exorbitant happiness was like a blazing sun, people who were ecstatic would spontaneously combust||

[hushed oar]

you should probably run from this place till you finish it all tbh lol, alot of neat stuff to get spoiled on

[inner ice]

to be fair

[ornate oar]

run and do not look back

[inner ice]

it is my fault for getting into such a lore heavy piece and not expecting spoilers

[ornate oar]

i avoided the internet from friday to yesterday to avoid story spoilers lmao

[inner ice]

either way i am taking a break to level reaper

[ornate oar]

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ji-Ic7tHw4I|| banger song

[steady valve]

also they brought back long fall in one of the optional dungeons so theres that

[ruby loom]

it's my bad I didn't see they just started the zone and assumed had finished it

[hushed oar]

i wana find that like sad piano music they use loads, but i have no idea what to type in

guna have to check the cutscenes in the inn

[tulip geyser]

||I for one, look forward to the absolute explosion of Ancient gang gang gang fics on AO3 ||

[ornate oar]

||https://youtu.be/FnaqXPQ3WCU?t=243|| i wanna find this song that plays here and other parts

[steady valve]

||was there any special dialouge if you use trust vs hydaleyn||

[kind lark]

||Elpis will never be the same||

[inner ice]

the most entertaining part of this zone is how it is cheaper to || teleport from the past into the present than it is to teleport from thav/garemald to shar ||

[tulip geyser]

||YES. Its so doom-y I love it||

[ornate oar]

it is just overall such a banger

[half phoenix]

Flow

[hushed oar]

i think its a different one, might be a remix of a shadowbringers one

actually guna go to the inn and try find a cutscene with it in

[robust crescent]

big fat tacos.

[hushed oar]

i hear big fat catos

chonker cat boss when

[urban phoenix]

oh cmon thats just mean

hey

[urban phoenix]

maybe we can rewatch the credits in the inn?

[slate ridge]

does the ||dog's size on the moon change depending on your character?||

[urban phoenix]

yes we can watch!!!

[olive spruce]

don't click if you haven't finished ||is there a way to play the final fight again? the one against Zenos||

[urban phoenix]

so far no

[olive spruce]

sadge

I really want to do it without getting hit and see if something changes

[urban phoenix]

yup :x

so you can rewatch the credits when you watch cutscenes

its cutscene 9 on the last msq

[urban phoenix]

thats impossible anyway because he has undogeable oneshots twice so you lose 2 stacks no matter what

[gaunt star]

what's the name of the animal for mounts used for the ex trials?

[humble heron]

Lynx

[gaunt star]

Oh nice, I asked here before but they said it would be a spoiler and I'm at level 89 msq and I dont see that as a spoiler???

[golden palm]

The names of them are

[urban phoenix]

i found you can replay credits

[gaunt star]

Maybe I didn't specify that I just wanted the name of the animal LOL

[humble heron]

Ye

[urban phoenix]

you can also pause the credits with num0

[golden palm]

but ye
it's winged lynxes

[urban phoenix]

and hide the credit text with *

[gaunt star]

are there pics of them already ffxivcollect is too small lol

[golden palm]

There's models if you want

[gaunt star]

where?

[gaunt star]

those look like panthers with wings

[golden palm]

well they're called Lynxes

[olive spruce]

yeah, I meant as much as I can

[gaunt star]

I have a feeling but is ||Ultima Thule the place where midgardsormr and omega came from?||

[next quarry]

No

[urban phoenix]

😭

[next quarry]

||recreations of those areas||

[hushed oar]

its the piano song in this cutscene i duno what its called

[wheat agate]

||what do you guys think yoshi meant by platinum? im thinking of the outline that a solar eclipse makes||

[next quarry]

The moon

It's white but there is a bit of grey

[gaunt star]

||bro that initial scene with the revelation gave me tesleen transformation vibes, even more so||

[tulip geyser]

||Oh my god I just notice that Urianger does ./pray when the alchemists abduct Estinien ||

[frail bridge]

||can we also talk about how Zenos showed up in the final quest just to settle a score with us?||

[hushed oar]

uriangers emotes were on point especially || in the cold , and on the moon. ||

[tulip geyser]

||He would do ANYTHING for that 1v1. Destroy the world. Save the universe. Personally nurse sick kittens back to perfect health.||

[hushed oar]

i loved it

[frail bridge]

||and the 1v1 rocked after that (for me at least) super emotional ending to the overall story just brawl with him as a pallet cleanser.||

[ruby loom]

||can we talk about how we literally rode Zenos?||

[hushed oar]

i think i picked the top dialogue option || where you smile and agree to wanting to fight badly too ||

[dawn briar]

not a spoiler i'm just wtf

[frail bridge]

wait...

[robust crescent]

higher, oh higher...

[vocal bear]

||Will we be able to go back and fight Hydaelin with Avatar NPCs at some point?||

[frail bridge]

carry our song

[dawn briar]

😛

[vital brook]

If there is something i've learnt, is that all these ||Ascians|| got tsundere tendencies

[tulip geyser]

||Yeah I threw him that. My friends and world were safe, I could test myself against my equal and send him off.
Besides, WoL does seem at least a little combatsexual themselves.||

[ruby loom]

under trusts in the scenario tab you can choose it again

[vocal bear]

It's not there for me, even though I just passed it.

[frail bridge]

||did anyone know what that "Platinum color" hint Yoshi-P gave us was at the end?||

[ruby loom]

||the mothercrystal|| should be the option

[vocal bear]

How do I mark a picture a spoiler?

It's not there

[frail bridge]

make an attachment on upload

[urban phoenix]

i love that smirk. i look so mischiefvous

[ruby loom]

huh, either it's after finishing some more quests or after credits at the latest

[vocal bear]

I'll finish this quest and see

[frail bridge]

can we have him back?

[vocal bear]

Think he's coming back at a later time

[lean ore]

https://tenor.com/view/yoshi-p-watch-time-late-behind-gif-23480539

[vocal bear]

Like in a 6.x patch

[simple fiber]

I was just angry haha

[lean ore]

the smirk is if u || accept him||

[simple fiber]

I know, I never could

[urban phoenix]

yup when you chose "that i cannot deny" and hey he IS right, as a adventurer we started seeking the thrill of battle

the whole world saving thing just came along

[lean ore]

it kinda feels like breaking the fourth wall or whatever called too xD

[urban phoenix]

yeah its the 4th

[simple fiber]

My character grew, we left that behind. We found something better.

[lean ore]

players want to fight strong people n all to begin with xD denying him doesnt feel right

[vocal bear]

||Found it! It is after finishing the quest you unlock it.||

[urban phoenix]

i want to do trust ex 😄

[simple fiber]

I'm just glad they basically made the Zenos fight no fail, I was just so tired at that point.

[urban phoenix]

XD

[lean ore]

the fight was done right specially the post fight cutscenes

its like when emet selch said "lets cast aside titles and pretense" and his trial intro was purely "hades"

[urban phoenix]

it was 4:30 am for me. i was at the last chapter. and i couldnt stop, i was so emotionally worked up i knew i have to end it or would lie in bed awake not being able to sleep

[frail bridge]

||Pudding!!!!||

[simple fiber]

My head canon is since he didn't answer, he died unfulfilled and we get to go back to our friends while he is gone, never to be seen again.

[lean ore]

i was minites before my classes start when i finished it and i didnt feel like rushing to go to class anyway xd

[urban phoenix]

so you skipped?

[lean ore]

no i just went later xd

[urban phoenix]

sadly you cannot pause the scene when you walk by emet and the others. so mean....

[olive spruce]

||when are the tribes being added?||

[urban phoenix]

the most important scene you cannot pause! but all the other stuff we already have seen that you can pause! >-<

[lean ore]

as if id skip msq content for any reason

tho i do read fast so it can look like im skipping dialogue at times ehe

[urban phoenix]

i feel kinda lost now tbh. i have no drive to grind gear or lvl other jobs...im just sad kinda

[lean ore]

same 😔 like im lvling reaper now but still

[urban phoenix]

i just wanna replay it

[olive spruce]

make a new character

[lean ore]

maybe im still burnt out from getting all classes lvl 80 shortly b4 EW

[urban phoenix]

thank good i still have a bunny at 70 i can play

[lean ore]

also hot take but i liked the body hijacking mission

[olive spruce]

there ya go

[steady valve]

||phase 1, WoL: why do I hear boss music
phase 2, Endsinger: why do I hear boss music||

[kind lark]

Too hot of a take

[lean ore]

and the first stealth mission

[vital brook]

What is this fucko and where can i get one

[urban phoenix]

what! i hated it i felt violated! like...like the r word ya know! i felt so filthy i took a shower irl

[lean ore]

lol

[kind lark]

||Thancred one? I liked that one||

[urban phoenix]

thancred one was fine but that body swap was just

[vital brook]

I liked the bodyswap different playstyle

[kind lark]

Didn't know it was a hot take to like it

[tulip geyser]

||I like it just because of how we got there.
Fancy Dan pretending to be random Limsan #9584 and scooping us which we dont see coming cause who tf would be insane enough to kidnap u-
Oh right ||

[lean ore]

i saw ppl complaining about the lack of abilities, like garleans can use aether besides zenos

[urban phoenix]

im gonna grind my orchestrion role i want

[vital brook]

Felt like one of those Resident Evil campaigns, having to manage resources...except it was just medkits

[gaunt star]

Where do I get my job gear? I'm level 89 and doing the job quests. I thought I got it form them at 89? The reward is food dude.

[lean ore]

you get the AF gear after tataru drags u somewhere during msq

[kind lark]

scurrying around like rats

[gaunt star]

oh so people were lying. nice.

[lean ore]

role quests simply unlock the ability to dye your af gear

[gaunt star]

i dropped the new dungeon to level this. what bullshit.

[tulip geyser]

||If anything WoL should keep the perspective in mind, really. "Oh yeah thats what its like to not be a main character."||

[lean ore]

role quests are cool tho 😔 wouldnt call em bs

[gaunt star]

these ones are boring.

[lean ore]

https://tenor.com/view/yugioh-pegasus-no-not-so-fast-anime-gif-12831344

[gaunt star]

what is up with these level 89 quests titles LOL

i started skipping cutscenes it was slogging on so badly.

[lean ore]

probably Lahabrea 🤷‍♂️ even the other ascians found him weird

[vital brook]

I think you may be burning out or just arent invested into this, but to me, this aint a slog

[gaunt star]

Lahabrea.. Lala.. brea

[lean ore]

Bazu im in queue 2 hours now 😔

[vital brook]

I was in queue for 5 minutes rn

[lean ore]

but ure NA

[tulip geyser]

||I know someone supposes you're a familiar when you're an au ra regarding your scales and such so its possible enough||

[lean ore]

its not 10 pm there 😔

[vocal bear]

||They regard you as a familiar if you're anything but a Hyur. Or so I've been told.||

[lean ore]

|| yepp ||

[simple fiber]

I got told I had ears and tail of a beast. I was slightly offended

[gaunt star]

what do they say to hyur

[lean ore]

probably something typical like "oh new face around?" i guess

[simple fiber]

Maybe something about their eyes

[tulip geyser]

||Well its not like you have those certain eyes and your aether is still pretty thin
Ill have to look for a hyur playthrough cause Im curious now.||

[lean ore]

I want these eyes thx

[gaunt star]

si

[simple fiber]

I almost rather they stay separate. We aren't the ancients

[lean ore]

oh yeah? my robe says differently

[next quarry]

Satho I swear our au ra look almost the same but I'm not angy

[polar schooner]

Okay so, why is ||Elidibus not a child in the post credit scene? Also didnt Venat only leave the convocation because she didnt agree with them using a child as Zodiark's heart?|| All MSQ spoilers, hoping for some clarification incase I missed smth, thanks!

[simple fiber]

Elidibus is young, but not a child

[tulip geyser]

||Because he wasnt a child, hes a young man.||

[lean ore]

|| Elidibus is simply young hes not a kid ||

[polar schooner]

||Ah okay, I thought so simply because of his ascian appearance after seat of sacrifice||

[late aurora]

He’s younger than the others

[tulip geyser]

||Also Venat retired before the current Azem (which reincarnated into you) was around, and thats the one who left the Convocation||

[lean ore]

a

[lean ore]

|| he still looks quite young in the post credits scene ||

[next quarry]

Didn't you used to have forward horns too

[real venture]

|| WHAT HAVE YOU CREATED HERMES! ||

[lean ore]

when i was Xaela yeah

[polar schooner]

||Oooh I see! So we're the one who left the convocation after elidibus was chosen as Zodiarks heart? Sorry if this is annoying!||

[tulip geyser]

||Not annoying at all, and yes.||

[polar schooner]

Thanks! Much appreciated

[lean ore]

tbh i didnt like that hairstyle on my xaela, so i went raen xD

[next quarry]

I had to go with it since my other style clips everything

[lean ore]

tbh since i got this hairstyle it will be very hard to replace it, no horn clipping and rarely with outfits

[ruby loom]

yeah, ||Azem (our unsundered soul) left the convocation because they didn't want to sacrifice half their people for zodiark which is also why there was no crystal made for them. the one we got on the first was secretly made by emet-selch cause they were close friends||

[next quarry]

Lol yeah

And you can see earrings with this hairstyle

[polar schooner]

||I see, that'd make sense to why we dont have her memories and why I felt like I was missing smth during EW!! I must have forgotten badly since 5.1-5.3|| Thanks again

[lean ore]

Also people wondering how we looked like back then ignore that they said || we resemble Azems appearance || 😔

[ruby loom]

||if you want a refresh check out the 5.2 MSQ (where we find out about venat etc.) and 5.3||

[polar schooner]

||I probably shall, for how good EW was I want to understand it all properly||

[lean ore]

EW made ShB and SB even better

[ruby loom]

so much. EW elevates them while Shb alone elevates things that happen in EW. it's amazing how they play off of each other

[steady valve]

incase anyone forgot to take a screenshot

[lean ore]

https://tenor.com/view/02-darling-in-the-franxx-gif-12855275

[polar schooner]

||Only thing I didnt like about EW is how rushed Zenos' death felt, but Im glad hes gone either way!||

[lean ore]

rushed? 🤔

[polar schooner]

Maybe thats a personal hot take

[urban phoenix]

you can watch the scene again

[lean ore]

|| i mean he was the final boss of a rather lengthy expansion || 😔

[urban phoenix]

but sadly cannot blend out the credits

[steady valve]

||just realized WoL isn't even in that artwork, the one holding meteion who I thought was the WoL is actually hermes||

[glossy hemlock]

Tbh I’m glad about it || I woulda been so mad if we had to fight him like 50 times like we did in SB ||

[hushed oar]

we snapped the pic

[steady valve]

ffs

[robust crescent]

and now we wait for what comes next...

ending spoilers

[ruby loom]

yup. ||it's also nice to see they keep the direction they're walking consistent with those who are alive and those who are gone, including meteion||

[lean ore]

Reaper questline tho

[rich lark]

do the cutscenes change based on the side content you've done?

[glossy hemlock]

Reapers are || Garlean?? ||

[lean ore]

yeah

[steel tusk]

I've known Ameliance for all of 1 minute and I already think we'd be great friends

[glossy hemlock]

And I assume they were referring to || Solus/ Emet Selch and not Varis lol|| right?

[wicked sage]

Final fight spoiler ||I'm actually sort of upset Zenos was the literal final fight.||

[glossy hemlock]

Same but || it was actually a really satisfying and fun fight it just felt really good ||

[lean ore]

|| he tried to assasinate the Emperor Solus/Emet but yeah he returned back with his hair changed to white and whatever the text on the pic says ||

[glossy hemlock]

milf

[wicked sage]

||It was super fun, just wish it wasn't him.||

[steady valve]

you get extra dialogue or dialogue options but not cutscenes, similar to how they address you differently if you're a specific role (tank/dps/healer)

[glossy hemlock]

Lmao why || did his hair get turned white that seems silly ||

[lean ore]

|| probably caused by Emet or due to the guy getting defeatted xD ||

[glossy hemlock]

|| Now I’m just imaging Emet forcing him to dye his hair as punishment ||

[lean ore]

||its pretty obvious Emet let him go, hed easily kill him tbh ||

[glossy hemlock]

Definitely lol

[steady valve]

||I liked it, people see us as a hero or savior but at our roots we started as adventurers. The fight was just for fights sake no worlds ending no lives to save.||

[lean ore]

@glossy hemlock and this was the duty of the reapers

[rich lark]

||didn't they show seiryu in that one scene? do people who didn't complete the four lords just see some unnamed character then?||

[glossy hemlock]

That’s pretty cool

[simple fiber]

||they let you choose your meaning. Third option is you killing him to be rid of him. I am not sure what second option was||

[barren karma]

||I can't be the only one who actually really likes Zenos? Can I? o_O||

[ruby loom]

||yup. he doesn't show up alongside soroban and tenzen's sword isn't mentioned either||

[jade relic]

|| I agree. Really I think zenos had a point. We fight stronger people all the time, we love the battles etc. fighting just to fight right at the end was really poetic imo ||

[lean ore]

||ive liked him since i read the book about his backstory SE was selling, and they fleshed him out 'decently' in EW ||

[jade relic]

No I do too

[hushed oar]

same

[ruby loom]

|| I like him too 👍 not every villain needs to be trying to be as complex as emet-selch||

[glossy hemlock]

I hate him less now but he’s still not a great character imo

[hushed oar]

i also think they ||ended it the best way possible||

[steady valve]

not great but not as bad as people make him out to be

[brisk quail]

This

[ruby loom]

||fistfight to the death was fucking glorious||

[hushed oar]

very || gurren lagann ending ||

[tulip geyser]

||Bashing each other to death at the end of the universe||

[simple fiber]

I can appreciate him as a character but still know I absolutely despise everything he represents

[lean ore]

this was so good too

[brisk quail]

||WoL smirk when you say i can't deny that I do||

[solemn falcon]

Does anyone have a screenshot of the moonward set ?

[barren karma]

||I want to know how they pull off the fist fight with a WOL as a Lalafell o_O||

[lean ore]

cant deny is probably the best option xD
Also Moonward is the tome gear, gotta be more specific xD

[ruby loom]

||that's what makes him good in my eyes. absolutely irredeemable but he's for all intents and purposeses the antithesis to the WoL||

[autumn heron]

I enjoy that 6.0 has several scenes that call out everyone who says a villain needs to be complex to be good

[brisk quail]

||the world is saved, the big bads are gone, your friends are safe... now the two strongest beings in the universe can duke it out at the edge of oblivion, the one truly selfish act WoL ever did||

[ruby loom]

||I saw a clip from the MrHappy vod and it's just... uh.... midget punching a 2m guy through the air looks just goofy af||

[lean ore]

Also making || Zenos a trial probably would suck, he got his 1v1 what he always after, my fav duty ||

[tulip geyser]

Yeeeeep.

[hushed oar]

it looked great on my roe

[hasty drum]

||honestly i was laughing when it devolved into fisticuffs||
But it was fun

[simple fiber]

||It's only selfish if you make it that way. I saw it as Zenos wouldn't let you leave||

[hushed oar]

how was it u uploaded a screen with spoiler again

[lean ore]

|| tbh thats so dumb xD ||

[vital brook]

Are ||amaurotians inmortal if they dont desire to die/take fatal damage||?

[brisk quail]

||he said you could leave though||

[ruby loom]

||just very long lifespans||

[tulip geyser]

||They do die naturally. But it seems most prefer to let themselves dissolve into the planet before they get all decrepit ||

[simple fiber]

||but it would mean he follows and does more to try and make us hate him enough to fight. He had to die||

[tulip geyser]

WHich honestly? I would too.

[autumn trench]

||Doing the fistfight at the end as a caster was funny. We get so riled up we don’t even bother casting anymore ||

[ruby loom]

are you done with the 6.0 MSQ?

[vital brook]

Nah, lvl 87 rn

[brisk quail]

The choices were...

||i fucking love fighting like this zenos||
||i don't care Zenos but whatever gets you off||
||I'm fucking done Zenos and you're dying here||

[ruby loom]

aight, else I would've said something additionally

[hushed oar]

dont click unless u finished

[brisk quail]

But ||he still said you could leave||

[lean ore]

||he wouldnt give up his hunt tho ||

[hasty drum]

i think he realized by that time that ||he would only have his fight if the WOL willingly agreed to have it||

[ruby loom]

||I think he says that because it wouldn't be satisfying for him to completely force you and because he respects his only "friend" in the end, funnily enough||

[hushed oar]

and this lol dont click again ,very end

[ruby loom]

fellow ninja 😄

[hushed oar]

imagine a whitemage at the end, i have healed ENOUGH!

[lunar hound]

lol

[rugged comet]

||how does this work for monks? do they just keep on punching lol||

[simple fiber]

I was a dancer. I just exorcised some evil.

[wicked sage]

I was also dancer.

[ruby loom]

anyone else who plays ninja, how do you guys feel about the Raiju skills? I love pressing them for the animation but the gap closer it has has killed me quite a few times already

[lunar hound]

||reaper vs reaper felt good||

[lean ore]

😔

[hushed oar]

i love the abilities, but the ninja class is so damn hard to focus on the fight over your rotation, making sure you use the 2 new abilities with ur bunshin stacks in trick attack window

[ruby loom]

is it really stronger than just having TCJ and two raitons inside the window? at least in the opener. haven't looked at a guide yet

[hushed oar]

forked raiju and phantom both have higher potency than ur aoelian edge

[unique gazelle]

||So is the dynamis in endwalker the same as the dynamis in ff11 and is the ff14 universe the alternative universe of nightmare referenced in 11 then ?||

[hushed oar]

guna take some getting used to

[hollow ice]

unrelated purely reference

[hushed oar]

i might be leveling warrior to main tho tbh, with ninja and summoner as backupo

[ruby loom]

yeah, I mean so far I've been going bunshin on second GCD with TA then PK then Hyosho then TCJ then Raiton Forked Raiju and then another Raiton and that's it for the TA window for me. ofc again I haven't checked out a guide yet

[hushed oar]

i havent really timed it out properly yet either but yeh i pretty much try line up hyosho, pk the forked raiju and a AE in it

its kind of annoying that other button presses break the forked raiju combo

[ruby loom]

I just checked it out on a dummy right now. the sequence I do leaves you (after TA drops off) with 1 fleeting raiju and two full Raiju combos and then you finish the sequence with AE

[autumn heron]

||I do think it fits better thematically if its seen as selfish. Its the one time in the story WoL get to do what they want and let loose, especially since Zenos is pretty much right in the context of the game itself||

[real venture]

MSQ 87 - || So like if Venat never stepped down, none of this probably would have happened either... ||

[brisk quail]

I mean... ||you both knew one of you wasn't walking out as soon as you met there||

[ornate oar]

||pov you are the wol when venat dies||

[lean ore]

thats not guaranteed xd

[hushed oar]

|| it would happen eventually , it wasnt venat that stepped down for fandaniel, it was someone else , eventually someone would have come to find dispair in the pointlessness of their imortality and godly creation powers||

[vague forum]

Gotta say, ||that fight between my WOL and Zenos|| was something I desparately wanted in Endwalker

[calm panther]

||Venat stepped down as Azem, Fandaniel was someone else||

[vague forum]

||So for sure I'd pick the selfish response||

[brisk quail]

||A TEST OF YOUR REFLEXES||

[vague forum]

||Plus, that grin that the WOL gives after picking that choice.... You can't tell me that they didn't want that fight from the bottom of their heart||

[hushed oar]

|| yeh, was saying for someone else. but the whole overarching story is without hardship and loss which the ancients never knew because life was really nothing to them, ala killing their creations with no emotion. they would eventually find the pointlessness in it and wish death upon themselves, liek all the other civilisations, thats why emett chooses to die again after we recreate him before meteion ||

[vague forum]

||Considering that the convocation of the 14... is, well, comprised of 14 seats. One seat wouldn't make that much a difference. So venat stepping down and doing her own thing was the proper outcome||

[ruby loom]

||I know but the point is about how Zenos' character changed - ever so slightly. While still desperately wanting his big fight, he respects the WoL at that point enough to give them a choice because Zenos knows it won't be fullfilling if he tried to force it again||

[tulip geyser]

||That kinda fell a bit flat for me there because its not like critters arent bred or changed for modern people's benefit, plus it wasnt all willy nilly. Also Hermes fixated on the wrong critter because that one was actively dangerous and doesnt its victimes want to live too?
And in any case, its not like the Sundered wont run into the same problem a different way. Thats the point. Every species has to bang against this window until they can fly out. WoL and friends wont be around forever (as they currently are||

[maiden swallow]

||if the world was not sundered the ancients might have eventually ended up like the last civilization in the dead ends||

[autumn heron]

^^

[vague forum]

||Zenos, in his final moments, learned how to compromise. To take, he would give. In that sense, that is ironic... He only learned how to properly interact with people the day he died||

[brisk quail]

||We might be fightsexual but I want consent||

[ruby loom]

||the thing with hermes was that he's a character who loves life too much. he was also an idealist looking for a way to make his own people, the ancients, better by seeking answers from life on other stars. He was basically too pure for his time.||

[tulip geyser]

||Yeh and we'll probably end up like the second ||

[ruby loom]

pretty much

[dawn briar]

Anyone find any can't be missed side quests?

[kind lark]

wdym?

[dawn briar]

like great ones

[brisk quail]

Any of them that give aether currents...

[dawn briar]

I mean like story wise

[mental tangle]

New mog station

[brisk quail]

Also the one about the ||steppe warrior being afraid of 'matanga'||

[mental tangle]

Hey is error 2002 still on?

[vague forum]

Today's disconnect was very awkward.... couldn't get back in Q, unfortunately, so I'll just continue my flight unlocking tomorrow

[dawn briar]

like things like the mailman or brand lines

[hushed oar]

|| the others didnt see their creation as life, just as a way to better the planet, thats why they didnt care about unmaking them if they didnt serve a purpose, hermes didnt want them to be killed because they didnt serve a purpose he saw them as living creatures from the start||

[vague forum]

Yeah it is. Maintenance made things a bit smoother, but not smooth enough for prime time

[glossy hemlock]

||Haha that’s the one I chose ||

[hushed oar]

ye i managed to avoid a 2002 in my 2k queue earlier, dunno if it could handle a prime time one tho lol

[vague forum]

||Thing about creation magic is that, it is possible to create things with a soul. Yet for the other ancients, that don't mean jack shit. That indifference is why Hermes kept suffering. He felt like the odd one out||

[mental tangle]

Thats someting i have to do but im so lazy

[undone zodiac]

Oh my fucking god this will be the first time I'm ever using trusts in this game. FUCK YES

[ruby loom]

||it's just so sad that the irony of him being too empathetic for the society he lived in led to the demise of his people and almost the world after that||

[vague forum]

||Same, cuz I wanted that fight so bad.||

[tulip geyser]

||I can see that about the snake critter but he was just as reluctant about the very dangerous, killing lots of other animals that he also loved, predator thing. But the game does point out that he can be naive, so that was fine.
Fandaniel the Protector, to a fault.||

[mental tangle]

So job clas gear is totali free noce

[ruby loom]

(no real spoilerino. just about what is said inside) ||pay attention to their speech bubbles||

[vague forum]

Queue in ||"The only thing I know for real"||

[hushed oar]

ye also read the reports as you go through

[tulip geyser]

^

Trusts = lore nomnom

[brisk quail]

||LIQUIIIID, SNAAAAAAKE||

[mental tangle]

Did you guis redeam ur codes of endwalker?

[vague forum]

Redeemed both

[hushed oar]

it was so hard to pick ppl for the other trust dungeons, usually went graha urianger estinien, or somtimes alphi instead

[vague forum]

I know for the final dungeon I picked the WOL fan club, minus ||Zenos, wasn't there||.

It just... felt right

[mental tangle]

So if the sourse is destroyed what Will hapend to the cristarium

[vague forum]

bye bye

[tulip geyser]

IF the Source goes
Everything goes

[hushed oar]

it all goes

[mental tangle]

So we have to rescue all the people from all the other shards

[glossy hemlock]

Does anyone know how to get “Daivadipa’s Bead” ?? Endgame stuff.

[vague forum]

no, you can't. You'll have to abandon them

[mental tangle]

Before the source is destroyed

Amm thats kinda a waste of content

[hushed oar]

i wonder how many expacs/patches till || yshtola figures out how to travel between them ||

[tulip geyser]

||Wasnt possible. All we could do, if it came down to it, was get away with the people and animals/plants possible ||

[hardy wind]

We don't have a way to get there. We can't rescue them.

[hushed oar]

ye only the wol can travel between, so they are all stuck in the reflections and would die

[mental tangle]

Well da we have the moon

[vague forum]

I wonder if we'll ever have an expansion that's dedicated towards the ||voidlings||

[glossy hemlock]

Looked it up it’s a FATE

[mental tangle]

I will not be suprised if everi reflections moon is a giant space ship

[hardy wind]

They aren't in the same space. It's not something you can physically travel to. We can't just fly a spaceship to the first.

[brisk quail]

The bead/bolts are world fates

[mental tangle]

Well no one said u cant

[brisk quail]

Like Archotania or froge mount boss.

[hushed oar]

they did, because they said we cant save the first if we just || ditched our planet with the moon, they would all be stuck on the first reflection and die ||

[brisk quail]

Every 72 hours rare spawn off a fate chain

[mental tangle]

Remenber edens promise

[brisk quail]

||one is Ultima Thule, the other is Thavnir||

[vague forum]

||Honestly the whole source + 13 reflections existing in a metaphysical space, in relation to the actual space is just giving me a headache.
Think it's easier to understand it as, the source exists in the actual universe while the reflections are just that... reflections||

[hardy wind]

The sundering wasn't a physical sundering, it's not just 14 planets now. It's one planet split into 14 different dimensions. There's no physical way to travel from the source to the first for anyone except us through the tower.

[hushed oar]

just watch avengers lol

[mental tangle]

So all of them will die

[robust crescent]

and there it is boys, an endwalker

[vague forum]

||It's also important to understand why the source is called that, while the others are referred to as reflections. Along with why the first, closest reflection to the source, didn't experience the final days along with the source.||

[hushed oar]

the whole moon thing wouldnt work anyway || its not like the planet is dieing meteion is specifically trying to kill our planet and us, if we left on the moon we would have all died without our planets aether protecting it as much as it did ||

[mental tangle]

But whi the wanderen melstrom dosent do anithing

[vague forum]

I hypothesize that, ||only the source exists in the physical space. While the reflections exist in separate dimensions, akin to parallel worlds||

[hardy wind]

I mean that was pretty much explained as so by emet

[kind lark]

I know we've got a expac dedocated to a reflection but I still want to see more reflection.

[hushed oar]

we probably will

[uncut mica]

here's a plausible alternative: ||it's magic i ain't gotta explain shit||

[gusty quiver]

Holy fuck lmfao

[hardy wind]

RIP

[vague forum]

||Really? I need to look back into ShB, but back then the space wasn't exactly explored... So it felt like etheyris was the center of the universe||

[mental tangle]

Oooo remenber the travelong of aeterithe

[ruby loom]

we'll surely see some more

final 6.0 msq ||considering the devs literally tease us about them and more through Emet-Selch||

[vague forum]

Thine explanation, while it leaveth much to be desired, is perchance the most practical and accurate one

[gusty quiver]

What a coward lol

[kind lark]

Very true ||we need to live up to the name Azem||

[vague forum]

The source still has many secrets for us to explore.

[hardy wind]

Bro, you don't even know who they are. Lol. Look at this scrub.

[kind lark]

||Emet is more a Azem with his many travels lol||

[vague forum]

So here's a theory, since they love blowing our minds 24/7

[mental tangle]

The the asians were the good guis all the time

[kind lark]

Assians

[mental tangle]

Theres no salvation

[vague forum]

||We'll spend 6.X exploring the source but once 6.4 or 6.5 hits, we will start building up towards the next xpac which is gonna be us exploring a shard||

[hushed oar]

but there is salivation, all the villains/heroes are too hot

[uncut mica]

ngl that seems like a nobrainer

[vague forum]

But that's just me saying shit out of my ass, ||for all I know we're gonna be doing a lot of exploration on the source next xpacs||

[tulip geyser]

||Yeah I loved his saying basically "Well are you an Azem or not? Go explore our beautiful world ffs"||

[ruby loom]

||but given by the size seen on the moon, the new world seems vastly more bigger than the continent of aldenard (where Eorzea is) and Meracydia also seems big enough in the south||

[uncut mica]

Thankfully we can at least rule out ||one of Emet's suggestions, since it'll be the alliance raid||

[humble heron]

||good money on us going to Meracydia in some form next expac||

[hushed oar]

i wonder what sort of theme they will follow for the new zones, i dont really know final fantasy lore overall, what game should i look into for those zones ||emett mentioned ||

[mental tangle]

So its the final dais thas whi i didint saw roleplayes and erp on limsa

[ruby loom]

I think so too because it was pointed out specifically

[uncut mica]

the true final days were with us all along