retired-patch-6-3-discussion

[quick widget]

How to add spoiler hidden to text?

I want to ask a question that might have a minor spoiler in it

Although it was announced before

[urban phoenix]

write it mark it up and there will be a little eye in the options

[quick widget]

Its about that small beast tribe

[scarlet sentinel]

you write || on both side of the message

like |.| Message |.| but no dots.

[quick widget]

Are they based on a ff game characters?

[kind lark]

the rabbit?

[quick widget]

Yes

[scarlet sentinel]

Yeah FF4 think they are called like hummingways or something

[quick widget]

They are so cute !

[kind lark]

They share the naming scheme i think

[scarlet sentinel]

Also || The moons theme is the FF4 town theme||

[willow zodiac]

Where can I trade the cracked clusters?

[scarlet sentinel]

market in sharlyan?

[willow zodiac]

Gotta check

Found it, ( 12.7 , 10.1 )

[hazy apex]

the uk is still part of the european continent no

or japan with asia, same logic applies

[bleak ravine]

Estinien judges me for getting aetherytes

[late aurora]

Alright Final trial

[indigo shale]

have fun

[scarlet sentinel]

And in ShB || When you clash with hades with light vs darkness, Its literally the same image as when they clash with the drills. When the universe kinda goes black|| Yoshida Lagann fan?

[rough kestrel]

MSQ was great, post final trial was exactly what I was asking for

[ornate oar]

ey yo can i talk about spoilers here

[steady valve]

||I mean used (part of) the moon to build the daigunzen ragnarok to go to the far reaches of space where spiral energy dynamis dictates law in order to fight the anti spiral end singer||

[scarlet sentinel]

Yes but you can do that in any channel, you just wont get banned by doing it here

[robust crescent]

MAJOR spoilers level 89
||you will be missed mom||

[ornate oar]

ok basically my question is this

[scarlet sentinel]

[ember forum]

So freaking cute [SPOILER: Press at ur own risk, you've been warned!]

[scarlet sentinel]

If I can't ||Giga-drill Y'sthola next patch I'll riot||

[ornate oar]

||WHERE THE FUCK WE'RE THE OTHER SUNDERED ASCIANS DURING THIS WHOLE STORY AND WHY DID NONE OF THEM TRY TO STOP FANDANIEL?||

[ember forum]

||New race, ditch the lala||

[indigo shale]

||well as far as we know only fandaniel remains from after 2.3 no one knows if the others are even raised||

[scarlet sentinel]

Probably not in the test facility ||that is Elpiss?||

or are you talking about after the events?

[kind lark]

||Who shrunk the viera?||

[ornate oar]

ah that is a good point

[steady valve]

I mean which part in the story specifically

[indigo shale]

||and the ones who would know are dead them being eldi, emet and laha||

[scarlet sentinel]

Laha who?

[ornate oar]

||up to the death of zodiark, basically the whole duration of fandaniels plans||

[indigo shale]

||yeah most likely none of them are alive, and if they were i imagine fandaniel would make sure they cant interfere||

[steady valve]

||didn't gaius kill the rest of the remaining convocation||

[indigo shale]

||gaius doesnt know how to kill ascians properly so he basically did nothing||

[ornate oar]

||he did not kill them only the physicall bodies of the ascians||

[simple plover]

||well he got the red masks from somewhere||

[steady valve]

I don't think it was ever infered whether or not he used the white auracite method

[scarlet sentinel]

Any Ascian names ||that we know still exist?||

[indigo shale]

well there are 5 ascians unaccounted for

[scarlet sentinel]

Beside maybe ||Elidibus||

[ornate oar]

i think it was mentioned that he basically did nothing

[steady valve]

how many masks was there on his belt

[ornate oar]

2 red ones and a bunch of black low ranking ascian ones

[kind lark]

||Ain't he dead?||

[indigo shale]

emmeroloth, deudalaphon, pashtarot, altima, halmarut

[steady valve]

||elidibus' aether was fully spent when he sent you back in time||

[indigo shale]

||elidibus is triple dead||

[scarlet sentinel]

||Seems like he wants us to believe that atleast. since the ending cutscene ||

[steady valve]

I don't think it matters we spoil that part, thats like

[indigo shale]

||thats clearly in the past||

[kind lark]

||That's the past tho||

[steady valve]

storm blood?

[scarlet sentinel]

Yeah exactly

[ornate oar]

eh true

[kind lark]

Your point?

[indigo shale]

||clearly him being alive in the past means he still alive in the present is what i get from his point, as people are alive before they die||

[scarlet sentinel]

He knew we were || going back in time since the first time we met him since he saw us in the past?|| we dont || know that he is dead beside hes word for it?||

[ornate oar]

what how did you get that

[indigo shale]

||he met us in the past, which is why he suddenly had a memory freak out, as the loop started hes triple dead at this point||

||sacrificed to zodiark, us killing him in SoS and then him draining all his aether in the CT||

[scarlet sentinel]

It feels like Elidibus just ||played our ass, we actually have no fucking clue if hes dead?||

[indigo shale]

again your point is he was alive before he died, it has no bearing on the present what happened 12k years ago

[scarlet sentinel]

My point is that he has never died?

[indigo shale]

he died 3 times

[ornate oar]

||no he is super dead either way it would be super cheesy if he survived, and the whole monologue of hydaelyn being the last of them as well would be a fucking lie to himself then||

[steady valve]

||are you 'dead' in the terms of the game use for people who are 'dead' if your aether don't return to the aetherial sea but is instead somewhere else (CT)?||

[kind lark]

If I'm getting it, he lied in cutscene in the ocular?

[indigo shale]

||but hes dead dead, we are going in the past it doesnt make him alive in the present||

[mystic imp]

|| Elidibus as we knew him was basically a primal so I think it begs the question whether he was ever really alive to begin with ||

[indigo shale]

elidibus has no reason to lie in the ocular, ||hes no longer tempered he has nothing left as zodiark is gone||

[kind lark]

||Idk not my point, if it was a lie then kinda robs the opening of elpis of its feeling||

[steady valve]

||was elidibus somewhere in elpis during our time there?||

[mystic imp]

||×I feel like being tempered by Zodiark and Hydaelyn is much different than your everyday primal. Like Emet for example never really lied to us. ||

[steady valve]

never really looked around

[scarlet sentinel]

I just dont think there|| is enough proof that we're rid of him tho. Otherwise that cutscene at the end makes 0 sense unless it implies he did something back in that time that bites our asses in the present?||

[indigo shale]

||yeah, waiting at panda, which is why in the ocular he kind of freaked out and remembered us there as the paradox looped/began||

[ornate oar]

||post credits confirm it he will be in the pandemonium raids in elpis||

[urban phoenix]

eli died ||in body when we beaten him in shb. we sealed is soul (which is compromised of aether if you paid attention) in the crystal tower, he uses and burns that aether to send us to elpis||

[ornate oar]

||and most likely pandemonium story will explain why elidibus forgot us being in elpis originally||

[urban phoenix]

so he is gone without a doubt

[scarlet sentinel]

Could be yeah

[mystic imp]

|| I definitely feel we're going to learn more about Elidibus and Lahabrea's backstory following pandemonium ||

[scarlet sentinel]

When was it ever mentioned that ||Pandemonium raid was going to be in the past btw? is that outside of the game info?||

[kind lark]

||So is the mask on the panda picture laha's or eldibus?||

[indigo shale]

||in the post credits cs, wher its in elpis||

[urban phoenix]

||no i think pandemonium plays later in the timeline of elpis after our adventure with hermes. after all venat is alive and there is no reason to not tease the new azem with a "fateful encounter" knowing we can return (and likely will adventourus as we are)||

[ornate oar]

||literally in the post credits scene||

[mystic imp]

|| I mean it's set on elpis which is pretty much in the past ||

[urban phoenix]

there is a teaser at the end end of msq

[kind lark]

This

[scarlet sentinel]

It doesnt || say that it will take place in the past tho? what If we get to elpiss in the present or whats left of it? Not going to say that its not heavily implied but still||

[indigo shale]

||elpis no longer exists in the present, which is why elidi sends us back in the first place||

[indigo shale]

||eldibus specifically states nothing remains of elpis in our time||

[urban phoenix]

that mustnt be the case. elpis very well can exist in the present. its just that it would be likely a ruin with no helpful information to us

[indigo shale]

||well elidibus says it no longer exists and he would knwo||

[urban phoenix]

emmy mentioned that too

[kind lark]

||The cutscene clearly shows a healthy elpis||

[urban phoenix]

by the way am i the only one who fell in love with emet over again?

[ornate oar]

||i did the lvl 87 dungeon only with trusts cause of that lineup||

[scarlet sentinel]

||Elidibus is still sus for me, so I'm still not sure wtf is up with that. Hes probably dead, but something might still remain of him||

[indigo shale]

||if its not in the past then clearly SE have lost their minds as its impossible to be in the present and should fire whoever came up with the idea||

[urban phoenix]

i will miss them

[mystic imp]

|| I really want to know what Elidibus meant by the 'beast' in the post credit cs ||

[ornate oar]

||yeah it would legit be emberassing||

[urban phoenix]

i dont think ||that is elidibus. rather i suspect its the younger azem we heard about in the msq ||

[indigo shale]

||its elidibus, do you not know who azem is?||

[mystic imp]

|| I feel like this is the only acceptable way to play that dungeon ||

[ornate oar]

||thats literally elidibus bro the only amaurots to wear white robes as said in the story are only venat and elidibus||

[simple plover]

||my theory that Emet was alive may be dead (seeing as he wasnt sealed in a crystal at the time we shot him and could maybe have faked his death) but I still think Lalabread is still alive in some form. Elidibus is done though for sure.||

[indigo shale]

||it cant be azem, becaus azem matches the player gender and isnt voiced by elidibus||

[mystic imp]

|| Oh that's definitely Elidibus. Even the Japanese VA is the same ||

[ornate oar]

||im a be honest though i did not want to leave elpis or finish that storyline||

[kind lark]

||The cutscene https://youtu.be/AJ1_JNJXUsE?t=3591||

[urban phoenix]

of course i know who ||azem is. the wol is azem, venat was the former azem who stepped down but didnt join the star (as in go die) and there is the younger azem mentioned by emet, hytlo and venat. who says that this younger azem doesnt wears white robes?||

[kind lark]

oh it's towards the very end

[urban phoenix]

yeah me neither

[indigo shale]

||because its elidibus,||

if its not eli then the whole ocular scene was just nothing

[scarlet sentinel]

We're probably ||never meeting Azem tbh||

[urban phoenix]

i wouldnt put all my eggs in one basket. there is no saying they dont explore the past a bit more

[ornate oar]

https://youtu.be/FnaqXPQ3WCU?t=248

[steady valve]

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WN3o0TpFXw when we were talking to estinien||

[ornate oar]

anyone know song name?

[mystic imp]

|| I mean in a way you already have met them 😅 ||

[indigo shale]

||im 100% sure its elidibus as its the same VA and wearing white robes, its 100% not anyone else, unless its venat||

[scarlet sentinel]

Or atleast many parts of him

[ornate oar]

it's such a banger

[indigo shale]

||its its not elidibus then ishikawa is just a shit writer who cant hold plot threads||

[urban phoenix]

seems like you didnt pay attention. VENAT is/was azem. she stepped down from the convocation and the title of "azem" was given to her sucessor

[scarlet sentinel]

How "renjoined" was the current WoL btw?

[indigo shale]

did you read what i wrote, venat is the only other person to wear white robes other than eli

[scarlet sentinel]

Yes. okay so the last known Azem then. Its just a title after all

[mystic imp]

|| 8 times||

[indigo shale]

we know azem wears black robes, its been shown multiple times in shadowbringers

[scarlet sentinel]

||so 6 sexy "Azem" reflections are still running about?||

[urban phoenix]

but thats an old information. what im saying is you shouldnt fixate things on old information.

[indigo shale]

CT was old

[mystic imp]

|| lol yes it would appear so ||

[indigo shale]

im willing to stake 200 million gil on the line

[ornate oar]

deal what is your bet

[urban phoenix]

in the shards yes. mind you they are no reflections of the source but their own worlds in a sense. so azem in one of the shards can also be a man

or a animal, depending as in what they where reborn

[indigo shale]

||that its elidibus in the post credits CS, because if its not then clearly ishikawa didnt write EW and a better writer did||

[urban phoenix]

which begets the question thou

where is my first shard reflection.....

[ornate oar]

deal you win 400m cause hell in no way is it somebody else lmao

[indigo shale]

ardbert is the azem of the first

[scarlet sentinel]

the first? Isnt that Ardbert?

[urban phoenix]

hrm.....makes sense yes

[indigo shale]

if he werent then then end of 5.0 wouldnt have happened

[urban phoenix]

see a male azem already 😄

[steady valve]

didn't they -explicitly- say that ardbert was your reflection in the first

[mystic imp]

Yep

[indigo shale]

well and as far as we know two souls that arent the same cant be rejoined together

[scarlet sentinel]

Yeah he rejoins with you and in that moment Emet sees his "Azem" which he then says like: A trick of the light etc etc

[urban phoenix]

yeah okay

[ruby loom]

I only just realized something. Level 90 trial ||the final phase song where the "Our song of hope she dances on the wind" part plays, it refers to Meteion before she and her sisters got corrupted by the despair of the other stars' inhabitants, right?||

[urban phoenix]

i still have a lot to digest from ew also im still snotty as hell over all that crying

[steady valve]

whats the song title for the 2nd phase song

[mystic imp]

|| I can't believe how well 'Answers' fits with this xpac. 'Thou must live, die and know' takes on a whole new meaning every time I hear it 😭||

[balmy mesa]

I reckon ||Pandaemonium will involve Elpis in some form|| Maybe ||the ruins of Elpis||?

[indigo shale]

......

[mystic imp]

Probably

[indigo shale]

how far are you in

[hearty ravine]

Wow the 5th dungeon gave a lot of xp, i went from 20% of 89 straight to 90

[tiny wind]

should i put X or IX materia in the new tome gear 🤔

[ruby loom]

if you do a few hunts and in demand roles for roulettes you will be swimming in X materia anyway

so I'd say just put them in if you're going for extremes at least

[tiny wind]

oh true ty!

[urban phoenix]

are the hunts even needed?

[steady valve]

||I like how when the camera panned to graha it also showed the crystal tower in the background ||

[urban phoenix]

like is there gear you only can get per hunts that you need?

cuz personally im not much a fan of them

[balmy mesa]

not really needed but it's a great source of tomes and hunt currency (which can be used to buy aetheryte tickets for instance)

[urban phoenix]

so we have variety with dungeons in the mix. nice. i rather run dungeons ^^

[mental spear]

Level 90 hunts great for materia too, while earlier hunts are good to neutralize these 1800 gil TP costs with aetheryte tickets. I went and bought 1k tickets when I saw all of the new areas were as far apart as humanly possible

[ruby loom]

nah, but you get a fuckton of clusters and tomestones that way

once the capped tomestones come out there'll be constant hunts anyway

[urban phoenix]

thing is hunts die so fast in eu. like....INSTANT

[balmy mesa]

check out the cost to travel from kugane to old sharlayan
lol

[ruby loom]

and it's the least time consuming way to cap your tomes if you're part of the first hunt train of the week

[tiny wind]

speaking of tickets i need to find a quick way to stockpile em

[urban phoenix]

what for xD are you that poor? XD

[tiny wind]

actually no 😂

[urban phoenix]

so you are just a penny pincher XD nothing wrong with that though

[tiny wind]

idk man it hurts seeing those numbers anyway

[mental spear]

Just the teleporting I did yesterday for crafting and gathering would have eaten 60k gil without tickets. That adds up quick even if I'm at 34 mil xD

[balmy mesa]

could be a good way to do cut price transportation of parties from one end to the other

[steady valve]

where do I go to unlock the ex trials

[mental spear]

Old Sharlayan iirc

[balmy mesa]

"welcome aboard the hydaelyn airlines, I am your flight attendant. please keep arms and legs inside the aetheryte, thank you"

[livid crystal]

will i ever be able to re-visit absolute horizon after fighting zenos?

[mystic imp]

For some reason I heard || Livingways|| voice while reading this

[mystic imp]

God I hope so. It's one time in the game I actually want to revisit a duty.

[warm glen]

Did they finally removed queue? Whats New in patch?

[indigo shale]

probably not for now, but when NG+ comes out you can new game plus that chapter or so to go back

[livid crystal]

damn

[indigo shale]

as most instanced areas like that only exist until what is done is done

[kind lark]

A question to everyone, what is your favourite zone in EW?

[livid crystal]

absolute horizon, the vibes are unreal

[indigo shale]

garlemald

[mystic imp]

Elpis

[tiny wind]

hard choice, ultima left a big impression with the progressive bgm as well

[ornate oar]

elpis and garli

[ruby loom]

UT. ||Elpis|| is beautiful, but UT has a completely different kind of beauty to it. given the ||solemn and melancholic|| theme as well as the BGM

[next quarry]

||Elpis|| and ||Ultima Thule|| are my favorite

[iron haven]

I wanna ride ||Argos||, can we get him as mount ?

[next quarry]

Yes

[indigo shale]

||ultima thule in english means "situated beyond north" as a literal, so quite a weird name thinking about it, ||

[mystic imp]

I think we do

[iron haven]

Where/How

[next quarry]

||MSQ reward||

[iron haven]

smh thanks I'll continue

[mystic imp]

What Azalea said

[ruby loom]

it has multiple meanings. it also means ||the farthest point|| for example which makes a lot more sense given its ||"at the edge of creation"||

[tired crown]

||Ultima Thule|| is by far my favorite location... I got there and I was breath-taken by how... different it was.

[indigo shale]

fair enough, latin is fun with its multiple meanings

[kind lark]

||UT was great, my favourite is Elpis||

[warm glen]

Whats New in patch today?

[mystic imp]

Speaking of names, did anyone figure out the significance or reason for certain || Ancients || having ||Greek|| names?

[indigo shale]

i wish we could have went to garlemald before it imploded to see it in its prime and then get destroyed

[warm glen]

Did they finally fixed huge queues?

[ruby loom]

yeah ||elpis really makes the whole idea of "perfect paradise" really hit home, even though we finally got it confirmed that it was not a utopia in hindsight||

[ruby loom]

I'm sitting in a 2k queue rn on Shiva ¯_(ツ)_/¯ but it's 3:30 pm here so peak time is starting

[mystic imp]

|| This. I really wanted to see what it was like with all that magitek ||

[heady sorrel]

they said the queue times won't be fix for a bit (like months), probably when more people finish the story and dont play...

[tired crown]

||Elpis is top notch for the story and lore surrounding it, but just for visuals, UT beats it for me.||

[heady sorrel]

i just hope they fix the 2002 error so we won't get kick out of game and have to re-enter password and one time password, that is so annoying

[kind lark]

||Yeah, even if it was a perfect paradise. We've seen what happens to perfect paradise with the last part of the 90 dungeon||

90 dungeon was great too

[ruby loom]

definitely. it's my favorite even given the music and the story that is told inside of it. on the level of amaurot

[tired crown]

The 90 dungeon hit really close to home based on a lot of things going on. Really enjoyed that.

[indigo shale]

||hermes was the embodiment of all wrong with the ancients way of life is how i see what they were conveying in elpis, its easy enough to blame him for the final days but he is a result of their flawed society||

[kind lark]

???

[ruby loom]

even more so if you read the notes, as it shows ||meteions experiences as well, especially in the last section where we found out that at least on of her sisters was desperately clinging to hope to find a positive answer to the question hermes gave her until even she eventually gave in to despair||

[kind lark]

oh I get what you mean

[ruby loom]

||hermes was just too pure for the society of the ancients. we don't know if and how many others there were like him, but the fact that he cared about every single life is what makes him actually such a tragic character IMO||

[tiny wind]

what do I do with all this coffer gear

[kind lark]

Use them

[tiny wind]

but i have no use for em

maybe desynth/sell?

[steady valve]

traveling from and to the moon is going to be the death of my wallet

[vivid notch]

gotta do Roulettes to keep money coming, that's how Yoshi-P gets you

[indigo shale]

easy set it as favourite/preferred/home destination, i think that cheapens gil cost

[kind lark]

The vendor aether tickets is in ishgard right?

[urban phoenix]

hey remember that private housing everbody talked bout on the moon. seems like that totally got axed?

our "sanctuary" or what it was called

[late aurora]

Island sanctuary is coming eventually

[indigo shale]

yeah it just hasnt been released yet

it was never promised to come at EW release

[urban phoenix]

eh im not complaining i just remembered

[kind lark]

The concept art for it doesn't show it being on the moon either

[indigo shale]

i forsee probably a .05 patch for when it comes

[urban phoenix]

private isle in elpis?

[indigo shale]

permanent time travel seems bad though, it cant be elpis

[urban phoenix]

that would be the ultimate killer for my tear ducts

[wispy tartan]

So I'm like, really bad with voices, who was the narrator for EW?

It sounded like multiple

[urban phoenix]

yeah think so too, different narrators for different parts

[kind lark]

||Emet and I think hythlo||

[urban phoenix]

but im 100% sure that partly was done by emet

[wispy tartan]

It sounded like fandaniel was doing some too

[tiny wind]

mostly emet yes

[mystic imp]

At the beginning it was Emet, but near the end it was a mix between Emet and Hythlodaeus

[urban phoenix]

flasher xD

[tiny wind]

lol

[bleak ravine]

Hehe

[urban phoenix]

oh no. i got prae on msq

time to make food xD

[kind lark]

You've got free time to do it

[mystic imp]

Time to put on some Netflix then

[desert basin]

Novel time!

[urban phoenix]

okay good one.... 😂

damnit i need to end that music, im tearing up again

[pulsar current]

i started as a thm and now i main MCH L M A O

[mystic imp]

Mad man

[urban phoenix]

i cleaned up my glam and sets

i only have 5 left i play

rpr drk sge dnc and rdm

btw i heard the dncs are malding. not happy with their changes and new skills

[hearty ravine]

How the hell are people level 80+ and still dont get basic mechanic marker?
My god it was so frustrating against ||hydaelyn|| when it is a clear stack marker and they just ran instead of stacking

[indigo shale]

idk im fine with dnc changes, nothing really bad to say, then again im also not a savage raider or anything so it is what it is

[pseudo quiver]

Skippers👏

[unreal delta]

i still cant get over how pretty the moon is.

[kind lark]

It's a fine piece of cheese

[unreal delta]

blame the new level 80 boost and people who think they're "good raiders"

[urban phoenix]

[indigo shale]

well skipping doesnt affect stack markers

[pseudo quiver]

the moon is my second lowest favorite place

[indigo shale]

you can start in arr or EW and a stack marker is still a stack marker

[pseudo quiver]

its still pretty but damn the others are nut

[unreal delta]

the thing is, they didnt start in ARR

[mystic imp]

I'm so happy they included a trust for that trial.

[kind lark]

Players need to buy the "delete stack markers" dlc

[urban phoenix]

people dont know the marker and assume its bad so they run away

[unreal delta]

^^ because they boosted

[urban phoenix]

ye

[indigo shale]

but tbf its mainly non skippers that get stack markers wrong

[gaunt star]

GOD ALISAE IS SO FUCKING COOL

[unreal delta]

then thats just stupidity

[indigo shale]

ive seen more mentors and ultimate legends fail stack markers than boosters

[urban phoenix]

i was deemed leader on both zodi and hydi after we wiped twice and i was the last lizzer standing....people followed me like ducks their mother

[unreal delta]

im just on the moon ||on the watcher's palace staring at zodiark|| i dont even wanna do msq...its so pretty...and peaceful...

[mystic imp]

That and ||Venat|| are probably the two biggest badasses in the game

[coral kite]

Ah stack marker fails. Some things never change 😌

[urban phoenix]

ali and alphi really grow up in ew.

i want to go back to the place ||where we fight zenos at the end. it was so pretty.....and i wanted to hug meitheon and tell her everything is okay. poor lil birb q_q||

fell in love when i saw her

damn only remembering makes me tear up again

[keen osprey]

Same... does NG+ require us to do the entire mission again? or can we specifically do that specific fight?

[urban phoenix]

i dont even know if we have ng+ for ew already

[gaunt star]

alisaie is just so good, maybe it's the red mage bias but AAAH I'M GONNA LOSE IT

[unreal delta]

i cant believe im at 83 msq and we're on the moon looking at fucking ||zodiark||....im scared for lvl 90 msq....

[keen osprey]

Wait... fk... you're right, no NG+ for EW yet

[mystic imp]

You should be

[kind lark]

Ohhh EW is a ride

[keen osprey]

dammit... should've recorded that fight

[urban phoenix]

i wanna do a hug group as cheesy and kinda cringe that sounds. just people meeting up talking bout ew, share joys and woes. curse corona

[unreal delta]

||z-zodiark|| is the...last boss right?......wh-what else could be the final boss....

[mystic imp]

😈

[urban phoenix]

not telling 😛

[gaunt star]

Tataru

[unreal delta]

😨

[gaunt star]

GOD graha is also very capable

[mystic imp]

Oi, spoilers!

[gaunt star]

i hate that there's so many good and capable characters in the story and ||shtola|| is still the plot one™️

I always viewed that as Urianger

i don't hate her but i don't find her compelling tbh, wish there was more focus on literally any of the other scions

G'raha is my favorite. Good boy.

[urban phoenix]

eh...no ||shtola has surprisingly barely any screentime in ew||

[kind lark]

I thought the focus was on the twins for this one

[mystic imp]

She became the defacto leader after Minifilia but she hasn't really done much in growth since then.

[cold jungle]

Okay, I just finished the MSQ and one thing bothered me with the || moon exodus plan ||. Specifically, || we were protected against the bad feels juju because of the 'shield' of aether around our planet, and when we were on the moon, one of the quests specifically said that there is much less aether on the moon, so... wouldn't any exodus be doomed to failure as it would be even easier to final days the moon than it was the etheirys? ||

[indigo shale]

all scions are focused about equal, but the twins have seemed to be the focus across all expansions

[gaunt star]

oh yeah twins too. love them

i love the twins but anytime she's ons creen, i kinda time out ngl

[urban phoenix]

the focus ||lies on the twins and your several fates you build as the wol||

[gaunt star]

twins and wol seem to be most connected, urianger and y'shtola seem to be connected as well, and wol and g'raha seem to have strong connection

[keen osprey]

Actually wondering abt that as well. Considering how ||thin aether is in space, you'd think people would've asked if going into an exodus would just doom everyone?||

[urban phoenix]

eh ||well they grow with you during the expansions. i wouldnt say they are the focus. they just uuh reflect the wols growth more on the screen?||

[cold jungle]

i kept waiting for an answer ingame but nope

[kind lark]

Thancred needs to find a way back to the first

[mystic imp]

And poor Thancred is just twiddling his thumbs off to the side 😪

[indigo shale]

idk i always felt FFXIV was the twins story not ours, like alphi was the focus of arr and HW, alisae SB, both in SHB and EW, we are just a means of conveying that story

[gaunt star]

Next expansion I would really like him to go back to Ryne.

[cold jungle]

also question for the very last cutscene of 6.0 - || that voice sounded familiar, do we know who that is? or at least have he voiced somebody in FF before? ||

[mystic imp]

|| Elidibus ||

[gaunt star]

||Suspected to be Elidibus||

[urban phoenix]

nah i think thancred should really work on overcoming that chapter....clinging to ryne isnt gonna end well

[cold jungle]

same VA as in shadowbringers then?

[ruby loom]

yeah

[mystic imp]

Yep

[indigo shale]

||also the main factor is him telling us he met us there, which we havent done yet, and is the only other white robed ancient||

[gaunt star]

||At first I suspected Azem, but then I was watching Zepla's play through and they referred to the current Azem as "she" rather than "he" which is what they used for when I played through it.||

[keen osprey]

Most likely ||Elidibus, since he commented back at the crystal tower abt meeting us, but we haven't met him during our time in Elpis... at least not yet||

[mystic imp]

|| I thought he would be one of the scions to die by the end considering that's he's already fulfilled his purpose as Ryne's guardian ||

[indigo shale]

||also its elidibus's voice, and i dont think any other ancient has the same voice||

[urban phoenix]

i was so scared in thule

[cold jungle]

also i laughed hard when i was doing the || elpis dungeon with emet-selch and co ||, the way they reacted to the first boss, like, || really, you're trying to fool us with this? ||

[steady valve]

where is the tomestone merchant

[urban phoenix]

they are so cute i miss em Q_Q

[kind lark]

radz at han

[keen osprey]

||Honestly surprised no1 died at all tbh... i thought at least Zenos would backstab us by killing Meteion when she was having a redemption or something||

[mystic imp]

Lol it was something of an emotional train wreck wasn't it

[urban phoenix]

bollywood town

[gaunt star]

reading all these spoilers like they wont ruin the surprise

[kind lark]

The west side of the market has them

[gaunt star]

The ||final walk|| made me cry lmao

but i'm at the 88 quest now and i feel like i'm still being taken for a ride even w/ the things i know LMAO

[urban phoenix]

i found the place soooo creepy at the start downright depression inducing until i got the lyrics of the zone motif. then i just cried and cried and cried

[mystic imp]

|| Nah the moment Zenos walked past us on the moon I knew he wouldn't do shit to us. ||

[gaunt star]

||the quest where the woman sunders the world made me have to take a break bc wtf was that all about||

[unreal delta]

....glowy light dog?

[urban phoenix]

that was ||venat (hydaelyn) sundering the world zodiark created||

[kind lark]

The best dog

[gaunt star]

no when u leave ||the time travel place||

[mystic imp]

||And that walk through memory lane. Won't lie I might've shed a few tears ||

[urban phoenix]

WOOOF

[gaunt star]

oh ik wht happened but it was so disorienting that i had to take a break

[indigo shale]

||yeah that was venat sundering the world as hydaelyn||

[gaunt star]

That cutscene was so brilliantly done. Especially the speech after.

[cold jungle]

oh by the way

[mystic imp]

||I think that's the moment Venat summons Hydaelyn||

[cold jungle]

do male characters ride Argos the usual way? my female char rides sidesaddle

[keen osprey]

||That seemed a little out of order no? Doesn't Zodiark restore order to the world first before she sundered it?||

[gaunt star]

yes

ya i had to take a break from the msq after that one, that whole section was so disorienting

[indigo shale]

||he did restore order, this was about to be the third/second wave of sacrifices to him but venat stopped it||

[urban phoenix]

i pretty well knew what happened but yeah i took breaks nearly every "mini chapter" what a trip it has been

[boreal crown]

Endwalker MSQ complete spoilers:
|| Easily one of the most impactful and emotional scenes for me was the final moments with Hydaelyn after her trial. She's bestowed her final gift upon you, someone who has guided your journey from the beginning. Hydaelyn is the first voice you hear in FFXIV and truly the person who first begins your journey. So, something that made me really mad: When you're spending time with Venat, she asks you this question and you don't get to answer as you run out of time while having a talk between the two of you: "Has your journey been good? Has it been worthwhile?"||

|| Later on - when you're about to face Hydaelyn, she says to you this prior to the fight, but never addresses it: "Alas, the question I posed to thee in Elpis hath remained unanswered these long years.||

||All I wanted to say to Hydaelyn/Venat was thank you for everything and to let her know that I've essentially enjoyed my journey (the one she set me on from the beginning) to give her that sense of peace... even after she commented she would hear my answer after our battle. The final scene with Hydaelyn was so gripping and I felt this was the only huge miss... I just wanted to let her know I have no regrets for the road I've walked. I know this might sound a bit crazy but I just couldn't believe I didn't have the opportunity to do so. Did I miss something?||

[mystic imp]

Question: ||when Venat sundered the world, did she sunder herself along with it or being the heart of Hydaelyn is she unsundered? ||

[gaunt star]

YEAH I WAS JUST LIKE "yeah i can't keep doing this, i'm gonna go run ||ktisis 4 times until i get the gear i want instead||

[gaunt star]

My desktop wallpaper is ||us walking past her in the credits||

[indigo shale]

||i think its more a fourth wall break, a question to the player not the wol||

[urban phoenix]

shes unsundered

[mystic imp]

Gotcha

[urban phoenix]

how else could she remember us and all? 😄

[gaunt star]

imagine ur ||the light og primal and u get reincarnated as a hot bunny lady||

[urban phoenix]

i forgot to make screens....was busy crying....

[indigo shale]

||the final artwork with the scions, hermes, venat, emet and hyth was pretty nice||

[cold jungle]

i wonder how they're gonna handle the || azem question- will they ever show us the 'current azem' in elpis-times? i guess they'll have to give them a set appearance as trying to making them look like us would look really weird with hrothgar or lalafells for example ||

[mystic imp]

||True true. I just thought it was ironic how she went on about how man must walk when she suddenly gains wings and becomes something of a light goddess 😅||

[indigo shale]

||i doubt we will ever see our azem, one their is no reason to do that||

[gaunt star]

I took 18gb worth of screenshots this expansion. lol

oh my b it was 13.89

[urban phoenix]

holy shit xD i was so captivated i only managed to take one good shot

[indigo shale]

and as we know they made it clear ||as soon as we enter elpis that azem is nowhere near the place||

[mystic imp]

||Outside our connection to Azem, the character themself isn't really all that important so probably not ||

[keen osprey]

Honestly, one of my favorite moments in EW was when G'raha ||had a moment with the Omicron. It seriously addressed the questions i had at the end of 5.3 on whether or not the G'raha on our world only received a copy of the soul from the First's G'raha, and whether or not G'raha on the First remained as a statue. The whole topic of identity was really really well handled||

[indigo shale]

||hyth says hes running off into a volcano, so no where near us at the time||

[gaunt star]

🥴

every cutscene ||where zenos is just like talkinga nd somoenes like "ALL U WANT IS TO KILL THE WOL/FIGHT THEM??" is so funny, because that's always been his thing||

[kind lark]

||We do meet a ex azem so that's probably as close we'll get||

[urban phoenix]

damn you making me cry again!

[mystic imp]

|| It's basically a meme at this point ||

[indigo shale]

||yeah venat is the closest we'll ever get to seeing an azem||

[cold jungle]

also, am i wrong or is || hydlothaetusususu whatever the name is spelled is using female face features and male voice? ||

[gaunt star]

I was gonna make it the one where she ||turns back||, but it has credits there.

[urban phoenix]

you can blend em out

[gaunt star]

I became a web developer because I hate photoshop kekw

[urban phoenix]

i wish we could actually pause the credits

[mystic imp]

This. 100% this

[gaunt star]

I wish you could replay credits. Can you?

[urban phoenix]

i think you can

[keen osprey]

He's using his own unique model, nothing created using existing presets. Same with all of the important characters this time around

[cold jungle]

also guys don't you all feel silly that at the end of the credits it had || my character's name ||? you were probably like "what who's that!" :D

[mystic imp]

||I mean Hermes is definitely an elezen stuck in a Garleans body||

[gaunt star]

Ultima Thule is my favorite zone. I wish I could go back and experience the ||soundtrack of it slowly transforming from just the instrumental to some verses to the full song again at the end. I think that's partially why it was so impacting, especially walking through the ghosts.||

[undone zodiac]

There's a minecraft reference in the game 👀

[gaunt star]

you got mail.

[undone zodiac]

ye idk who tf mailed me, gotta take a look

[gaunt star]

I'm waiting for my motorcycle that I finally bought from the store yesterday. But I don't think I'll get it in the mail for another day.

[cold jungle]

i didn't much care for the last zone as a gameplay area, they could have not included the usual gameplay stuff like aether currents or FATEs in there, probably would have been better

[wild spindle]

What's the name of the song during ||the walk before the last dungeon||

[gaunt star]

I took at least 300 screenshots there lol

[mystic imp]

Should've been 5 aether currents

[cold jungle]

it's pretty but the gameplay bits are a bit tacked on

[gaunt star]

I can't remember the name, but I know you can buy it with gemstones.

[cold jungle]

like we're having this emotional journey but wait i need to kill 10 bears to complete this FATE i'll be with you in a minute, felt weird

[unreal delta]

Ride the dog

[indigo shale]

gameplay is their to be gameplay, its like with the tempest and azys la, its good to have consistency

[unreal delta]

y e s

[cold jungle]

tempest and azys lla felt more appropriate

[indigo shale]

nah

[urban phoenix]

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dFKReet8vM||

[cold jungle]

this last zone has like 5 different mob varieties

[gaunt star]

||does alisaie kinkshame zenos into stopping his bloodlust||

[urban phoenix]

Close in the Distance is the name

[wild spindle]

You're a hero

[wheat stag]

HOW MANY TEARS MUST I SHED

[gaunt star]

I found one that was the 20 minute version of it, which did the instrumental first -> verse -> full song but it was taken down by Square. :[

I can't wait for the soundtrack to be released. There's so many songs on it that I loved.

[cold jungle]

anybody got good quality dungeon boss theme endwalker music? the ones on youtube are from media tour and kinda crap quality

[kind lark]

||Why would she do that?||

[gaunt star]

I think I'm gonna start letting my party wipe at the last boss of dungeons so we can run back with that intense final boss soundtrack playing lol

[cold jungle]

yeah it's badass

[urban phoenix]

when that song started i paused playing until i found the song on yt

[gaunt star]

||she was basically like "ur gonna be lonely and the wol wont fight u if ur gonna b an emo edgelord"||

[heavy beacon]

||guys did everyone fight zenos at the end of the duty with fists (the cutscene at the end of the duty). cause i play a mnk with fists glamored with the emperors gloves so it felt even better if they dont show specific weapons for the classes||

[mystic imp]

Kind of?

[urban phoenix]

well...datamining stuff for clicks is bad :x i downloaded my link already so im safe and can hear it on repeat

[cold jungle]

i guess this one is a bit better quality than media tour || https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcHIuV-xo7k ||

[heavy beacon]

||anyone got a link for a 1080p version of the ending art?||

[gaunt star]

The ||final fight with Zenos|| was actually really nice. I liked it a lot, and I found ||Zenos to really be just a representation of the actual player wanting to do more difficult content, but placed into a story.|| Imagine going back to Sastasha in a roulette immediately after Trial 3. lol

[kind lark]

||I'm a whm and the punching scene happened ||

[mystic imp]

As a RDM it was quite the experience 😅

[cold jungle]

SMN here, laughed at that part

[heavy beacon]

fist mnk supermacy then

[kind lark]

||also a lalafell punching zenos was funny||

[cold jungle]

my Str is at 353, it probably tickled

[gaunt star]

honestly this whole expansion the thing i've felt the most (so far) is like, dread/shock and stuff

I finally noticed that summoners got their carbuncle that was Alphinaud's color! 😮

[heavy beacon]

id like to imagine how that looks like lmao

[cold jungle]

what? we didnt get any new colors

[gaunt star]

oh ignore I could have sworn I saw one

||i deliberately went thru ew as reaper just to get a scene like that, hopefully it has some effect on the stuff||

[mystic imp]

Did you jump in the air to land the uppercut? 😂

[kind lark]

I wish I did

[cold jungle]

no new ones

[heavy beacon]

||more than that how did zenos bend to hit the potato||

[cold jungle]

or wait, is emerald new?

[heavy beacon]

i mean popoto

[glossy hemlock]

No it’s the blue one

[mystic imp]

Just out curiosity: ||we all think Zenos is dead dead right?||

[glossy hemlock]

Would that we were so lucky.

[cold jungle]

yeah we didn't have emerald carbuncle as a skill before, not sure if it was a glamour option

[heavy beacon]

they didnt show actual but implied so probably not?

[indigo shale]

||i assume so, the voidsent he made the pact with will most likely claim his soul||

[kind lark]

||Oh fucking god pleeeeeease be the end||

[gaunt star]

||god i hope not, i like him too much||

[heavy beacon]

ah yes the duality of man

[kind lark]

||I don't mind Zenos but characters dodging death in this game is crazy||

[gaunt star]

I still don't understand how he came back to life in the first place

i admire him in a weird way where he's just evil, and not going to be redeemed ||also why is he so goddamn hot||

[mystic imp]

I'm 50/50 rn. ||He stopped breathing which is a good sign but after SB I don't think dying means much to Zenos ||

[indigo shale]

||death is just a mild inconvenience in this game for anyone||

[mystic imp]

||Should've carried a shard of white auracite just to be certain 😪||

[mystic imp]

His resonant

[kind lark]

||Punch the shard into him||

[heavy beacon]

||anyone got the ending art||

[indigo shale]

is SB, he had the resonant, basically a stolen echo, and the echo allows body hopping aslong as the soul does it before going to the aetherial sea

[steady valve]

'are ya winning son'

[glossy hemlock]

LOL

[mystic imp]

||Crazy as a mofo, but yes he is hot||

[glossy hemlock]

I don’t think he’s hot tbh

[gaunt star]

||HE'S DISTRACTINGLY HOT I CAN'T FOCUS WHEN HE'S ON SCREEN?||

[mystic imp]

Use two just to be certain

[gaunt star]

Oh, I know the reasoning. I just think it was retconned tbh.

[indigo shale]

so anyone if they train with the echo has the potential to completely avoid death

[glossy hemlock]

Definitely just really not my type tbh Varis was hot but the racism made him unfuckable

[cold jungle]

i kept accidentally killing y'shtola by not understanding the red arrows in the last dungeon >_> at least she thanked me when i swiftcast ressed her

[heavy beacon]

BONK

[gaunt star]

its ok my friends all think i'm weird for being into him

[kind lark]

A monk weapon made out of ||white auracite||

[glossy hemlock]

Plenty of people think he’s hot but they’re wrong lol

[gaunt star]

ah yes, one of the sentences of all time

[indigo shale]

wait you think varis is hot, but not zenos, what do you think of valens?

[mystic imp]

Now we're talking

[kind lark]

They shrunk the trunk

[gaunt star]

Varis is hot...?

[kind lark]

No more juicy

[glossy hemlock]

I’m into older men okay

[gaunt star]

g'raha is waiting 4 u

i wasn't into the juicy but when i saw his costume change at the end of shb? i was a changed woman

[glossy hemlock]

Gaius is the full package tbh he’s the hottest one

[indigo shale]

well i wouldnt go that far about valens, he was a madman, a sadistic bastard, but he wasnt that

[mystic imp]

I still want his glamour

[glossy hemlock]

G’raha is adorable but way too small for me he could never be a top

[unreal delta]

||I AM ENDING THIS. HERE AND NOW.||

[mystic imp]

Good luck

[glossy hemlock]

Did we watch the same cutscenes lmao it definitely gave that vibe it was so disgusting

[indigo shale]

gaius is the worst of the bunch, hes about equal to varis in how shitty of a person he is

[gaunt star]

i don't even remember valens but gaius and zenos can get it fr

[glossy hemlock]

No??? Did we play the same game??? Lmao

[indigo shale]

do you know nothing of gaius, of what hes done

[glossy hemlock]

Sorrow of Werlyt quests villain

[gaunt star]

oh.... HIM????

[glossy hemlock]

Yeah lmao

[indigo shale]

like gaius was probably the most brutal legatus, the most evil one

[mystic imp]

lord farquaad looking ass? 😂😭

[cold jungle]

is this the first time beast tribe quests aren't in on .0 patch?

[glossy hemlock]

He was actually not lmao he purposely defied the empire multiple times to PREVENT unnecessary death/genocide

[indigo shale]

he subjucated both ala mhigo and gyr abania, and destroyed werlyt and invaded eorzea

[glossy hemlock]

Yeah he was the most successful doesn’t mean he was the most brutal

[indigo shale]

then was going to use ultima to subjucate eorzea

[mystic imp]

I think Gauis got off kind of easy all things considered

[gaunt star]

the habit of redeeming villians bc they're sad that this game has is truly a bit baffling but at least they're hot ig

[indigo shale]

to be succseful in war you have to be brutal

[gaunt star]

I've never grinded fates before to unlock more stuff. Do you just keep going to all the fates? How do you know when you reached a new level with more items available for sale?

[kind lark]

If you commit several genocides of planets but you're a bit sad its ok

[indigo shale]

and gaius destroyed many lives and city states

[mystic imp]

They didn't redeem Zenos. For that I'm grateful

[indigo shale]

nero isnt any better

[urban phoenix]

uuuh

[glossy hemlock]

He took ala mhigo with minimal casualties and prevented Meteor because he thought it would destroy eorzea and her people and stopped Black Rose production for the same reason

[indigo shale]

him stopping meteor is him being a glory hound

he was going to use ultima to conquer eorzea himself

[gaunt star]

same, he's just evil and hot which is weirdly a very fresh breath of air in a world of emets ||who ive come to absolutely adore, all the ascians make me cry||

[glossy hemlock]

He wanted to bring people under the Empires rule because he genuinely it would be the best for the people to prevent them from killing each other in conflicts because of shitty rulers

[indigo shale]

thats the entire plot of ARR is him going to use ultima to subjucate all of eorzea

[gaunt star]

nero gets a pass for being cid's malewife but i'm kind of sad to not see any of him in the msq

[indigo shale]

gaius has no defence

[mystic imp]

I appreciate his simplicity, even if I don't agree with him on anything.

[bold condor]

I don't think we've gotten a ton of redemptions, though?

[urban phoenix]

sorry but you seem to missunderstood something....the planets meitheon visited where already doomed. did you see how many birds that where at the end? must been THOUSANDS. and they had a shared soul. imagine experiencing a doomed world and their grief thousand times in different versions and then stay positive.

[bold condor]

The only three "villains" I can think of who were set on a path of redemption are Ysayle, Fordola, and Gaius.

I guess Nero kind of counts. Even though he didn't actually change.

[urban phoenix]

yeah. the cute lil birb wasnt a villain in the first place...

[glossy hemlock]

He isn’t redeemed in Sorrow of Werlyt he literally owns up to the fact he’s done terrible things and doesn’t ask forgiveness but he is open to changing his viewpoint and has done so. He also realizes how terrible the empire is and is pretty abhorred by what others did while he served.

[gaunt star]

i mean.. ||yotsuyu, fordola, gaius, the evil pope kind of counts?, the roe queen bitch who's name i can't remember, others that probably don't spring to mind rn||

[kind lark]

If that was towards me I was talking about Emet

[bold condor]

The bird was basically innocent, she literally could not comprehend the value of life because she wasn't presented with the things that make it valuable.

[glossy hemlock]

Nero is just salty because Cid left him lol

[bold condor]

Save for in her brief meetings with you.

[indigo shale]

idk why they treated gaius they way they did, he is the abhorrent in the garlean empire, whilst yes there were others who were bad, its fucking rich of gaius to claim he was abhorred of them

[mystic imp]

Yeah, but Yotsuyu killed Asahi so I give her a pass 😂

[gaunt star]

OK FAIR THAT'S THE BEST REDEMPTION THERE CAN BE

[bold condor]

Quintus is an excellent foil to Gaius.

[urban phoenix]

oooh. yeah well emet.....the ascians...i dont see em as a villain. from their viewpoint what they do is perfectly justified. and hydie is the villain

[bold condor]

Emet-Selch is a villain. He's also unapologetic, ultimately, for what he did, even if he accepted defeat.

[kind lark]

But they killed countless of people

[mystic imp]

Hydaelyn is innocent. I'll die on this hill if need be

[indigo shale]

emet is the ultimate villain in this

[bold condor]

Ehhh.

[gaunt star]

hmm... if villain, why hot and funny? checkmate, garleans

[urban phoenix]

thats what i love about this. there are no easy "villains". just many viewpoints. and so did you as the wol. do we wann do a head count of how many people and creatures you killed?

[indigo shale]

out of the 3 unsundered id say its mostly emet that has caused the most problems, with a little bit of elidibus on the side

[mystic imp]

We're blood thirsty af

[glossy hemlock]

He didn’t do the things that he found awful like the racism and mistreatment. He valued people on their actions/power instead of their race and that was proven when he allowed the ala mhigans to serve the empire and rise in ranks and he literally had a Roegadyn as a tribunus

[lunar hound]

worst part about 6.0 is having to wait until 6.1 for NG+ so I can fight Zenos again <.<

[bold condor]

Look, this chat is slowmoded and it's hard/cumbersome to talk about Gaius here.

[kind lark]

Oh ok so because wol has killed people a lot of people genocide is equal to it?

[gaunt star]

Agreed

[bold condor]

Why 15 seconds, like, what is that?

[indigo shale]

empire has a lot of conscripts anyway, ala mhigans would have had to serve anyway

[glossy hemlock]

True true

[urban phoenix]

i didnt say that. what im saying is you have to put yourself in their shoes.

[bold condor]

Yes.

[mystic imp]

Don't know. 50/50 for me rn

[lunar hound]

I hope so

[glossy hemlock]

The als mhigans were given a CHOICE, the other conscripts in other units were forcibly conscripted like we’ve seen before

[bold condor]

???

[bold condor]

NO THEY ABSOLUTELY WERE NOT GIVEN A CHOICE.

[gaunt star]

zenos my beloved <3

[steady valve]

'you are being saved, please do not resist'

[glossy hemlock]

They were lmao what are you talking about

[urban phoenix]

imagine your loved one sundered broken down for a reason you dont understand or know. and you DO have the power and a way to bring them back. would you do it?

[mystic imp]

Yoshi-P: challenge accepted

[bold condor]

Fordola and her Skulls chose to serve. The vast majority of Ala Mhigan soldiers are conscripts.

[glossy hemlock]

That’s why Fordola CHOSE to join

[indigo shale]

gaius just isnt a good person, no matter how much the writers try, he was a monster through and throughout

[glossy hemlock]

No one said he was a good person he’s just a good character lol

[bold condor]

Because she was literally born to Ala Mhigan dignitaries and born a citizen. Aans do not get to choose.

[glossy hemlock]

They were given a choice lol it was always a choice no one was forced into it

[indigo shale]

well we arent arguing him as a character though, we are arguing him as a person

[kind lark]

And kill entire planets?

[bold condor]

The fact that they conscript from Ala Mhigo is literally one of the first things we know about the XIVth Legion. It's literally made evident in their first scene in 2.0.

[lunar hound]

Gaius was above all else, pragmatic. He absolutely believed that conquering Eorzea was the correct and just thing to do, but he also realized that said conquest was meaningless if senseless brutality followed

[glossy hemlock]

Basically this

[bold condor]

I don't understand why you seem to think every Ala Mhigan soldier in the Empire was a Crania Lupi.

[urban phoenix]

you know they are only a part of a whole. its another mindset and worldview than ours

[indigo shale]

he was going to use ultima, he s just on a high horse

[gaunt star]

||honestly knowing tht they're gonna redeem meteor makes me a lil mad? i get that she was a flawed creation but no matter what ppl say being sad is not a justification for trying to kill everyone||

[bold condor]

The Crania Lupi only existed for, like, a year at most.

[glossy hemlock]

Those were when Zenos took over

[bold condor]

Their name is literally a reference to Gaius and the story literally tells you it was Gaius who appointed her. "The Black Wolf." "Crania Lupi." "Wolf's Skulls."

[lunar hound]

he was deceived by Lahabrea into thinking that the Ultima Weapon was something he could control

[bold condor]

Hell, the first quest where you meet Fordola is called "The Black Wolf's Pups."

[gaunt star]

also say what you will about gaius ||but man is he good at dodging child support payments||

[glossy hemlock]

Gaius did not keep Ala Mhigo the whole time, under his rule they were allowed a choice to serve in the empires legion

[indigo shale]

yeah, but he knew it would cause destruction, the fucking thing absorbed three primals at once

[kind lark]

Funny thing is, that even Emet thought what the ascian tried to do was crazy

[steady valve]

||it costs less gil to travel to the moon than it is to travel to the past||

[glossy hemlock]

LMAO he never had any actual children he just kind of picked up strays

[gaunt star]

see? even better, he's REALLY good at that LMAO

[mystic imp]

She's a walking talking mood ring.

[bold condor]

Gaius was the imperial viceroy of the Ala Mhigan territory from years 1557 of the Sixth Astral Era to the 5th year of the Seventh Umbral Era.

[cold jungle]

you know what the best 6.0 feature is? letting you run 'scenario' trusts again, so you can finally do holminster with Lyna again

[indigo shale]

he can claim deception but gaius is smart enough to know what he was doing

[lunar hound]

better in there where they could be controlled than out there wreaking havoc was almost certainly his thinking

[bold condor]

Why am I being argued with on this? This is ridiculous, it's like I'm arguing with someone who skimmed the story.

[glossy hemlock]

I think you’re just not realizing how it actually happened lol

[gaunt star]

yeah why are u arguing if u clearly think the other person just doesn't know better

[urban phoenix]

that is because THAT emet knows the whole story. all facets. the ascian emet does not. also millenia of waiting and fighting do stuff to your mindset

[indigo shale]

avano did you play arr or SB

[bold condor]

!faq timeline

[lusty shadow]

6th Astral Era Timeline

The timeline of the entire 6th Astral Era can be found here.
WARNING: Includes spoilers for Heavensward story.
Click here for the timeline

[glossy hemlock]

I’ve played all of them lol

[indigo shale]

because with what youre saying, i dont believe so

[ruby loom]

||it's not just about being sad. Her entire being is based around perceiving others emotions as her own, so her sisters having visited dozens over dozens of worlds where all the people felt was despair and wanting to die/wanting things to end affected them as well, which then completely overloaded the shared consciousness of them when they reconnected to each other. This overload of despair made her see no other way other than end life because it was inevitable||

[urban phoenix]

anyway...i will miss them....q.q damn im tearing up again

[bold condor]

Can you tell me whose name is on this timeline?

[mint sail]

alright, am I supposed to be floored by the ending of the lv87 dungeon

[glossy hemlock]

In SB they say Zenos is in control of ala mhigo literally lol

[bold condor]

Yes, after Gaius "died."

[mint sail]

fucking fuck I think I need to lie down

[glossy hemlock]

He took over from Gaius because Varis wanted him to do something

[urban phoenix]

hey rommy

[gaunt star]

||i guess that's fair, and tbf i haven't gotten that far yet but just the notion makes me feel burned||

[indigo shale]

yes, but we are talking about gaius not zenos

[gaunt star]

LMAO JUST WAIT UNTIL AFTER THAT QUEST IS OVER bc i had to lie down after the last cutscene in that area

[glossy hemlock]

I think you are misunderstanding lmao

[urban phoenix]

exactly. the think gaius to be dead and appoint zenos as the new chief who isnt like gaius. rommy is right

[indigo shale]

zenos has no relevance to anything we have talked about regarding what gaius did

[ruby loom]

||it's actually something I realized once the 87 dungeon was over and she told us about the civilizations that had ended||

[mint sail]

that too

[glossy hemlock]

This is getting cyclical there’s no point in talking about it more because you don’t understand lol

[indigo shale]

....

[bold condor]

Obviously the man isn't dead but your committal to ignorance is stunning and upsetting.

[mint sail]

My brain is pain

[mystic imp]

Lol for once he is innocent in this regard

[late aurora]

Rommy, the lore expert doesn’t know what they’re talking about? Okay

[gaunt star]

I really like how the one that did, the ||Meteion that you knew ended up trying to stop the consciousness of her other sisters who didn't experience anything other than the despair they got from the other stars.||

[indigo shale]

i am getting told i dont understand by the person who said varis is hot, what a world

[gaunt star]

honestly everything in that area made me feel so WEIRD and even after u get back home i still feel so weird about everything that happened

[bold condor]

I can provide you with all the sources I need, but it's a pointless effort when you're not interested in being corrected when you're wrong.

[gaunt star]

like i wanna live in the area wher i came from not go back to the yucky source

lemme drool over more ascians man i dont wanna experience anymore mindfuckery

[indigo shale]

ascians? you mean amourotines right

[bold condor]

I like that they showed the hypothetical end result of the Ancients' prosperity through those people begging for Ra-La to kill them.

[mystic imp]

More Venat please 🙏🏼

[gaunt star]

oh ya, i do mb

[indigo shale]

ascians werent a thing as zodiark wasnt summoned at that point and the world was not sundered

[bold condor]

Although one could argue the Endsinger herself IS the apocalypse the Ancients were heading towards.

[gaunt star]

ahh ok ok

[ruby loom]

||yeah, I also seriously hope that at the end of the MSQ when the scions they goodbye in mor dhona, that the bird flying around truly is her having come back to etheirys and not just some "symbol" or hallucination||

[urban phoenix]

i doubt we see venny emmy und hydy anymore

[indigo shale]

ascians, ancients and amourotines are all different things in a sense, i see people mix em up a lot

[mystic imp]

😪

[gaunt star]

still i have not recovered from that final cutscene because what the fuck

[urban phoenix]

im sad too

[gaunt star]

even thinking about it disturbs me it was all very visceral it hurts the brain badly

[mint sail]

don't spoil it, I don't even know what the 6th area is

[gaunt star]

oh it's ab the area ur in, i'm just back home myself <3

[mystic imp]

Where you at rn?

[gaunt star]

That's how I took it.

[ruby loom]

emet, hythlodaeus and venat: ||hydaelyn/venat's soul is gone, as stated by herself after the trial and emet-selch and hythlobro are just dead again back in the aetherial sea and will eventually be reborn||

[mint sail]

First lv88 quest, back to Garlemald with me

[mystic imp]

Oh, I see 🤔

[mint sail]

I sorta use the first quest of a given level as checkpoints

[mystic imp]

Let a girl dream, Snipps

[gaunt star]

its so hard to continue after that, this expansion is fucking HORRIFYING bro

[mystic imp]

Nice

[gaunt star]

||when did the nier guy sneak into the writing room||

[mint sail]

I will resume tho

[ebon trail]

Level 90 msq: ||uhm what how did Zenos become a dragon???????||

[mystic imp]

Yep

[indigo shale]

i hope garlemald gets some sort of build up again at some point, would like to see its architecture properly in its former glory

[mint sail]

I will be devastated, but I will resume and resist the urge to click the spoiler bars

[bold condor]

Imagine it. ||"Ostrakon Miden. These people were blessed with boundless mastery over the aether, and could even create life with their incredible power. They filled their world with new creatures, but those they deemed imperfect were discarded. One among them saw this slaughtering as an aberration, and so looked to the stars and heavens for guidance. He created creatures that could interact with dynamis, to learn the meaning of existence. Yet they returned with only tales of loss and fire, plague and death, sorrow and despair. So did he release us into the stars, where we made our nest, and so do we sing the song that will finally put an end to his world."||

[gaunt star]

i didn't do that, ur stronger than i am

[indigo shale]

same as in stormblood

[ruby loom]

EW story is by far not convoluted enough to have yoko taro work on it

[mystic imp]

You can do it. I believe in you

[mint sail]

I want Garlemald housing, or at least housing pieces in Garlemald style

[gaunt star]

both big and true, i haven't played nier but this is about the ||horror and sadness|| i expect

[mint sail]

The latter is much more likely but I can drim

[indigo shale]

i imagine a sort of gralea/insomnia style from 15

[ruby loom]

perfect summary actually

[mint sail]

anyway time's a wasting I gotta get back there did I mention garlemald bgm is cool

[gaunt star]

gl, hopefully the rest of the msq isn't so rough ||but i already know better than to hope||

[ruby loom]

we're all just talking about the fact that tataru is the true mastermind behind the final days

[mint sail]

OH FOR FUCK'S SAKE I JUST HAD SEVERAL CUTSCENES A FEW MINUTES AGO

[bold condor]

Hold onto hope.

[mystic imp]

Never trust a lalafell

[quiet halo]

Figured I'd ask here, does anyone know definitively how to spawn ||Chi|| in ||Ultima Thule|| yet?

[mint sail]

Then again, instanced battle, should be fine

[compact light]

quite a lot of ppl thinking this is the best expansion in terms of story and here i am confused as I think its the worst one

[mystic imp]

|| Can anyone explain to me why Emet (Hades) looks exactly the same as Solus?||

[indigo shale]

what makes you think its the worst one?

[humble heron]

Occams razor, thunder

[ruby loom]

different folks different strokes, I guess? but what are your reasons for why you think so?

[gaunt star]

I think it was just a design choice for familiarity and mental association.

[indigo shale]

ascians can style bodies, but probably just coincidence solus looked similar to not arouse suspicion

[compact light]

too many jrpg tropes, too predictable, as soon as melnatile or w.e started acting emotional i knew exactly where it was going as so many jrpg's have done that story before

[mystic imp]

I mean, that's one hell of a coincidence

[indigo shale]

really, this was the least predictable expansion, barely any theory i saw was right

[ruby loom]

yeah, let's not forget emet-selch chose solus' body (in lore) because he liked it the most out of all the bodies he possessed prior ||probably precisely because they look so similar to each other||

[compact light]

it was unpredictable up until zodiac then it was glaring

[mystic imp]

||I thought having his voice would be enough, but to see his face again kind of caught me off guard for a minute there ||

[indigo shale]

no one could even guess the first trial

[indigo shale]

no that made it less predictable

[humble heron]

I mean nobody in their right mind could have predicted zone 5

[compact light]

and zodiark was such a waste

[indigo shale]

he was a means to an end, literally and figuratively

[unreal delta]

OH FUCK.

[mystic imp]

That's when the story really begins

[gaunt star]

How come you feel like a predictable story makes it bad? Just wondering. Some consider it a sign of good writing, tropes aside, as long as the story makes sense.

[ruby loom]

I mean, this is a FF game and plenty of them had the same cheesiness. other than that until the 5th zone the story could have gone anywhere

[compact light]

just don't build him up for 8 years and then make him meh

[unreal delta]

...i just did the first trial

[compact light]

it also feels needlessly long, i keep stopping msq out of boredom

[indigo shale]

its a concluding arc to a 10 year old story ofc its gonna be long

if you dont like the game then why play it

[ruby loom]

I mean to each their own with their opinions but yeah, it's the conclusion to an ages old story arc and they Warned about the fact that there'd be even more cutscenes than there were in shadowbringers

[humble heron]

The decision for the first trial makes more sense later into the story; i can definitely agree that it seems weird after beating it initially

[compact light]

its just the msq i don't like

[mystic imp]

||I mean he wasn't exactly the big bad though? Destroying Zodiark would mean destroying the source alongside him. He's the one thing standing between the source and certain doom||

[cold jungle]

is this a reference to yoshi-p cosplaying as reaper at the conference?

[iron scaffold]

didn't they made clear repeatedly that it was going to be long?

[indigo shale]

well the msq is the game

[compact light]

no the msq is some of the game its an mmorpg don't be silly

[mystic imp]

Congratulations. You're 20% through the MSQ 😂

[ruby loom]

a part of the game. the vast majority of time in the game for most is spent outside of it with gameplay through dungeons, trials and raids (and pvp for a few).

[unreal delta]

you're playing a story game

[gaunt star]

i'm enjoying it but i don't know why, but everything after the level 87 stuff makes everything feel so weird, like i feel like i literally can't continue ||like everthing that happened there, it all feels so consequential and continuing after feels just incomplete? maybe i'm just being silly idk||

[kind lark]

No, it's a mmorpg and plenty of people don't play it for the story

[unreal delta]

Yes there are other MMO things to do. but its a fucking story game, story is the main content

[ruby loom]

if you don't like the story anymore then just skip it. no reason to torment yourself about it @compact light

[indigo shale]

its also a final fantasy, its story is the main draw

[unreal delta]

^^

[mystic imp]

I felt that way after leaving Garlemald.

[compact light]

ye i know im just disppointed, but im on the last zone so it shouldn't be much longer now

[gaunt star]

it feels like everything after that has no consequence bc of the thing i just witnessed

[indigo shale]

but either Way EW is the best expansion yet, ShB isnt even half as good imo

[ruby loom]

yeah I get that. seems like you're in the minority so I hope you won't get too much hate. hope you've at least enjoyed the trials and dungeons so far

[gaunt star]

I agree

[unreal delta]

yes. which is why theres tons of other mmorpg things to do.
but FFXIV is a Final Fantasy Game first, and an MMORPG second. and the draw of a Final Fantasy game is story

[mystic imp]

...debatable

[gaunt star]

ofc ik it does and the end days but STILL ||idk why it's affecting me like this||

I'm really shocked at how much I liked Endwalker, especially after Shadowbringers which was already a masterpiece for me.

[unreal delta]

why have people suddenly forgotten. FFXIV has always and was always Final Fantasy First, MMORPG second

[gaunt star]

my favorite is still HW i think, idk why tho

[indigo shale]

shadowbringers to me was sort of nothing till 5.3

[ruby loom]

Shadowbringers and Endwalker elevate each other. they both have similar strength and weaknesses but yeah EW is definitely a bit better than Shb

[urban phoenix]

just checked on dnc

[compact light]

Ruru your trying to make some point no one cares about

[urban phoenix]

the new toys are pretty boring tbh

[unreal delta]

my point is you got a story game and are mad the story game has a long story

[gaunt star]

i feel like i had the opposite reaction, i wasn't really that sad but the stuff with graha and alisaie made me very happy and was such a relief

[mystic imp]

While I don't necessarily agree, I can understand why it wasn't up to your tastes

[compact light]

it wouldn't feel long if i actually liked it

[unreal delta]

like. Just skip it, its an option.

[gaunt star]

i think the emotinoal pacing of the later expansions are very bipolar for lack of a better word, the like, funny silly moments are very abrupt lmao

[urban phoenix]

they are there to make you crack up and relax before they continue to go ham

[ruby loom]

at least you have actual reasons why it isn't too your liking, even though I personally don't agree. Better that way than just blindly disliking it like some do 👍

[gaunt star]

oh i like them, i just feel like they can be a bit outta nowhere sometimes

[urban phoenix]

ye^^

[gaunt star]

the boys trip to radz at han is probably a favorite moment? poor estininen

[compact light]

ye i don't remember the humour in last expansions being so.... bluntly obvious

[indigo shale]

wdym the whole of ahm areng was just a massive joke

[compact light]

half of the rabbit race interactions are jokey

[ruby loom]

the humor until Shb was barely existing to be honest

[steady valve]

was this ever brought up

[indigo shale]

yes, in arr and shb

[mystic imp]

He's lucky Tataru didn't find out 😂

[mystic imp]

Is that Solus?

[unreal delta]

thats old solus

[indigo shale]

yeah its "solus" in his old age

[ruby loom]

I absolutely loved the lopporit scenes. livingway was done so well but I can see why people don't like it, particularly due to the cutesy factor

[mystic imp]

I liked it but it dragged out for a bit too long

[gaunt star]

one thing i do kinda hate ab ew is it throws so many names around and like, fair, but i'm also forgetful as fuck and half the time they'll say a name and my reaction will be "the what now"

[ruby loom]

yeah, the clothing and carrot section were really... uhhh...

[drifting spoke]

my fav cutscene is still venat walking to hell, its so heartbreaking

[compact light]

now im not at the right end, but i also feel like zenos should have been more involved with the plot

[mystic imp]

Is that where she's going?

[ruby loom]

any specifics you can name?

[drifting spoke]

no shes just walking to the hell she created, life

[kind lark]

Might want to put a spoiler on that.

[mystic imp]

This I agree with but I feel like EW is too big of a story for a character like Zenos

[mystic imp]

Deep

[gaunt star]

where ||Graha grows up and they keep saying the name, or where garlemald is technically||

[drifting spoke]

i cried

[gaunt star]

god that cutscene is what made me unmotivated to play/finish the msq, it was just so disorienting

[mystic imp]

It was painful to watch wasn't it?

[compact light]

perhaps ive played too much jrpg's, edge of the universe power of emotions shit i can't take any more

[indigo shale]

||well zenos was fine in the story till fandan betrayed and ruined his plan, so fandaniel left zenos in a spot of not knowing where to go||

[ruby loom]

||iirc corvos was named (in sidequests?) before EW. I can be wrong on this one ofc. anyways, considering the amount of places that are still to be visited in the future we will certainly go there eventually as well||

[ruby loom]

yeah, probably that. It's why I mentioned the traditional cheesiness of FF games. Shadowbringers had the same with everyone having their own little speeches before the final dungeon and trial

[gaunt star]

i haven't done a lot of htem, i tend to leave them post msq because i wanna see the new dungeons/fights

[mystic imp]

He did look rather surprised by that didn't he? Can't say I saw that coming myself.

[hearty ravine]

So the first thing i should buy with the new tomestone is the accesories right since we get ||i560 gear and weapon and the accs are kinda shit||?

[gaunt star]

its ok ||zenos can just come into my arms >:)||

at least reaper is a really fun class and it's also endwalker significant, which makes it even cooler

[ruby loom]

the point is, just like Radz-at-han which was mentioned only really through side quests and gear pieces (thavnairan bolero for example) we eventually got to visit it. ||so probably the same will eventually apply to those places whose names were dropped in EW||

[cold jungle]

dang, post-game radz-at-han theme slaps hard

[indigo shale]

||originally zenos was meant to take over zodiark and fight us to the death, but that kind of didnt happen due to fandan and his whacky antics||

[mystic imp]

||if he's still alive, I'll deliver him to you personally||

[gaunt star]

ya, probably ||but i still kinda feel lost sometimes when they're tossing fantasy names around that i feel as if i've long forgotten||

[simple plover]

baseless 90 raid speculation ||So, summoning isn't supposed to temper people at all. It was specifically mentioned that even at Zodiarks scale there would only be a small tug at worst. Even so, Emet specifically said in ShB that they were all tempered immediately. My speculation: Lahabrea created Zodiark once before in the raid when making concepts for shits and giggles, got tempered for his trouble and gave the convocation a scuffed concept to create that would temper them when summoned.||

[drifting spoke]

how to spoiler dark thing?

[ruby loom]

better that way tbh than just mentioning new names out of the blue a single patch prior and pretend like it existed before. loads of areas we've visited in the past expacs were mentioned earlier before we got there as well

[simple plover]

highlight parts of your text and hover over it.

[drifting spoke]

ok

[kind lark]

Is ||Corvos ||a new name or has it been mentioned before?

[jade phoenix]

put || on both sides of the message you want to hide

[gaunt star]

i see what you're saying but it reads the same to me, even if i technically have been there before. and even then, it's just a personal problem lmao

[ruby loom]

it was named before apparently through the magicked carpet mount two years ago and yeah the short story

[mystic imp]

It's from the 'The Hunt Begins', a Zenos short story

[cold jungle]

it's been written on the world map for years

[drifting spoke]

||at the end of endwalker i wanted to really die so i can have a free fantasia by being reborn||

[obtuse canopy]

Crashed mid-duty as a healer.. hang in there guys, only 4 more hours and I'll be back!

[bleak ravine]

oh no

[urban phoenix]

ooof oh nyooo

[jade phoenix]

||zeno's backstory mentioned being trained by a swordsman from corvos, who he later killed after surpassing him||

[iron scaffold]

hoo boy

[mystic imp]

Me too! ||I kept thinking to myself 'you had one job Zenos! One! ||

[gaunt star]

||the scions: IN SPACE||

[kind lark]

||The most Zenos thing ever||

[jade phoenix]

can't relate

[obtuse canopy]

[ruby loom]

to be fair ||the WoL would have died if it weren't for the heals from alphinaud||

[mystic imp]

It's actually a really good read. Check it out when you can

[drifting spoke]

||isnt it a bad story trope to "kill" off everyone but then get them back at the end? i was really thinking everyone died for the mission...||

[cold jungle]

@kind lark i guess not years but still

[indigo shale]

||its not bad if done well, which it is here||

[ruby loom]

all of the complementary short stories they released on the lodestone are good reads and a lot of them expand on stuff like Azem jumping into a volcano to save some grapes

[urban phoenix]

same. i cried so much.

[mystic imp]

He's one of my favs so I'll cut him some slack

[errant perch]

I wanted to cry. But my chest hurt too much to really ugly cry

[jade phoenix]

oh by the way guys, here's the minion from the 87 dungeon

[cold jungle]

SNEK

[gaunt star]

I HAVE RUN THAT DUNGEON 6 TIMES FOR THE MAIMING TOP

[ruby loom]

by the way, is there an axolotl minion?

[urban phoenix]

i was literally hyperventilating and crying the whole 6th zone

[gaunt star]

I WILL RUN IT 6 MORE TIMES FOR HIM

[urban phoenix]

i bet i lost some years there

cant be good for my heart

[indigo shale]

still out of anything that happened in EW, i|| think the qunitus scene is the most shocking, never did i expect to see something like that in ff14||

[mystic imp]

Look at his little scarf 😭

[ruby loom]

yeah || that was dark as fuck||

[urban phoenix]

the what scene?

[inner ice]

what quest gives you the radz aetheryte?

[bold condor]

Nah it's years. Since 2017.

[urban phoenix]

i lost the roll for the cutie Q_Q

[jade phoenix]

it will tell you when you can

[mystic imp]

Darker than ShB by a mile

[indigo shale]

||qunitus killing himself with the gun||

[kind lark]

Ok ty for the info

[urban phoenix]

oooh that one. i was like "good riddance" i was so pissed at the bullshit they pulled there. wol taken over my a handful soldiers...what a load of bull

could have massacred the whole place single handed

[cold jungle]

that's why we dont send you to negotiate

[ruby loom]

??? they ||literally had alphi and alisae as hostages||

[jade phoenix]

level 90 story spoilers: ||the way they set up the final zone by hitting us with a smaller scale version of the ruined civilizations we saw at the end was genius||

[indigo shale]

well seems you missed the whole point of EW (well not whole, but an aspect)

[drifting spoke]

|||tataru: welcome home|| my heart

[urban phoenix]

you where right behind em! and you shown combat prowess rivaling gods. and you tell me you cant keep some soldiers occupied?

[mystic imp]

👀

[bold condor]

Good riddance is honestly the sentiment, I feel. The man represented a spectre of imperialist doctrine that could not move forward. It's tragic that a man like him would ultimately find no recourse but death, but not unexpected. This is what the Empire was, and what it always represented, and ||Zenos himself says as much later on||.

[ruby loom]

it's not about being freaking occupied. ||it's literally just one button push for the garleans to hurt the twins and potentially even kill them with the collars. they were also all there to negotiate||

[bold condor]

What they believed were "good reasons" don't change the result of the misery they spread, and their path was ultimately a self-destructive one. Varis himself nearly gassed them all to death and they'll never know how close they came to an end arguably worse than the one they got.

[indigo shale]

well im not saying the man was good, but i dont think massacaring the soldiers would prove quintus or other naysayer garleans wrong

[urban phoenix]

thats what got me so pissed. you have the power to defend em before they get collared. but no you stand there scowl and do nothing

[bold condor]

Thancred told you not to do anything. Or don't you trust him?

[urban phoenix]

that was afterwards they got collared

[indigo shale]

well we arent monsters, we arent just going to start a massive fight in the base of some garleans that would be stupid

[bold condor]

Yes, but you knew he was following you. Lucia told you he was.

[jade phoenix]

believe it or not, slaughtering refugees was not the mission

[urban phoenix]

uhm....yes afterwards

[bold condor]

No, before you went with Jullus.

[ruby loom]

||doing that would have ruined any potential positive relationships with the garlean remnants and just as it would happen, those positive relations to them is what saved many asses during the final days event in garlemald. violence (despite this game being built around it) is not always the right choice||

[bold condor]

Or did you not catch her obvious hinting?

[marsh osprey]

this is extremely cute whats the name

[ruby loom]

some of these takes really freaking rustle my jimmies holy shit

[urban phoenix]

really? man must have missed that. im not a fan of the whole garlean zone to begin with

[jade phoenix]

||caduceus||

[bold condor]

Something along the lines of "Thancred would be beside himself if anything happened to you."

[marsh osprey]

i think im gonna buy it from marketboard, snek is too cute

[kind lark]

Get some ointment for your rustled jimmies quick

[bold condor]

Which would be a weird thing to say because Thancred wasn't around, and the person most likely to be upset if anything happened is Urianger.

[ruby loom]

too late

[urban phoenix]

sounds brutal but i couldnt give a rats ass bout the garleans tbh. for me i only went there to stop fanta daniel

[indigo shale]

wow, so why save anyone in game

[jade phoenix]

"fuck you got mine" is how the garleans were pushed in to being pieces of shit in the first place

[marsh osprey]

galearn area was the most boring part about the game tbh

[urban phoenix]

the others are likeable. the garleans not so much

[indigo shale]

that thinking is why garlemald is the way it is

[kind lark]

A memorial for all rustled jimmies need to be held

[urban phoenix]

not cute, not cool. nothing

[ruby loom]

while it may have been boring to some, the whole point of going to garlemald (besides beating zenos and fandaniel) was to help the garleans

[bold condor]

I didn't find that part boring at all.

[urban phoenix]

i was happy when it was over

[humble heron]

Sometimes people are just people with flaws and they aren't adventurers or wise sages or stuff like that

[bold condor]

^

[indigo shale]

garlemald was the best part of it imo

[urban phoenix]

also i felt....violated when zenos stole my body. like....r word. in a sense

[bold condor]

I wouldn't say it was the best, but it was an excellent undressing of what the Empire stood for and why it doesn't work.

[drowsy sky]

when do yall think its fair to use|| the argos mount? i dont want to ride him now because a lot of people still havent' finished MSQ.||

[mystic imp]

I did not expect that to happen

[jade phoenix]

i've been wondering this too lol

[bold condor]

My personal favorite zone is actually still the last one.

[urban phoenix]

i felt so digusted i took a shower irl. thats how dirtied i felt

[steady valve]

use it whenever, to people who haven't reached that part its just another mount

[indigo shale]

it didnt try to make the garleans sympethetic, it showed them as they are, a bitter, resentful people due to all that has happened

[kind lark]

Moon and later zones?

[humble heron]

I think argos mount is fine whenever but i would say the zone 5 glam is worse

[bold condor]

And also due to massive amounts of propaganda.

[urban phoenix]

so precious 😢

[indigo shale]

hey if we can fix ishgard we can the garleans

[bold condor]

Let's not pretend the Garleans were entirely justified, they lost Locus Amoenus long before anyone in memory lived.

[jade phoenix]

nobody said they were justified

[steady valve]

garlemald restoration 👀 ?

[mystic imp]

Speak it into existence

[indigo shale]

yeah, but im sure emet made use of that fact regardless

[bold condor]

Absolutely.

[ruby loom]

towards those who have historically abhorred them and forced them to live in the cold north. "subjugate or be subjugated" just like the zone 6 ||omnicrons had their civilization follow that creed||

[urban phoenix]

if you wanna have housing in frozen wastes with nothing but monsters and ruins...sure go ahead.

[bold condor]

What I'm saying is that that bitterness and resentfulness isn't just from understandable sources.

[jade phoenix]

yes, animosity is almost always irrational

[indigo shale]

well ishgard housing has come out

[bold condor]

I know, that's what I was trying to say.

[urban phoenix]

yeah you have to throw in years of indoctrination and rage fanning

[mystic imp]

Did anyone like ||Jullus'|| character?

[bold condor]

Not to mention the twisted belief that they were "unifying the world" to paint themselves as saviors.

[urban phoenix]

did not check yet. is it snowy and gloomy?

[ruby loom]

two generations worth of indoctrination is a lot

[jade phoenix]

yeah, i think he was a good window in to the average conscript

[errant perch]

2 generations is all you need after all

[next quarry]

||I loved Jullus||

[urban phoenix]

dont forget emet selch did rebuild the garleans for the sole goal of making war to begin with

[gaunt star]

part of me is just very ambivalent towards garleans, and the rest of me feels bad but not that bad ab the ||girl in green, she literally killed herself and her sister for no good reason and it was hard for me to empathize||

[mystic imp]

You underestimate how effective propaganda can be

[bold condor]

No I don't. I'm literally the one who brought up propaganda.

[errant perch]

Look at the British and their whole colonizing thing

[urban phoenix]

lets keep irl out of it. for the better

[bold condor]

Why is everyone trying to gotcha me, I'm just stating the numerous elements responsible for the Garleans' issues.

[acoustic jolt]

where can you exchange new extreme totems?

[indigo shale]

well it was to show that they had no trust in us, after all we would have been propagandized as the one to destroy garlemald, why would anyone trust us, we are the enemy

[urban phoenix]

bollywood town