retired-patch-6-3-discussion

[drowsy belfry]

Huh I guess that's why the random soldiers use Diamond Weapons

[gaunt star]

Its err lemme remember

So its aoe, the knights do the chess move thingy
Theres a tankbuster
She does northswain
Then she does god save the queen then queens edict

You dont actually see any of the relentless.plays

[pine epoch]

But they also pointed out the diamond sword looks similar to save the queen as if the sword was a base for the model

[torpid yoke]

they have their own version of resistance weapons. Imma call them suppression weapons

[pine epoch]

That is all I bring today. I just woke up and that was the first thing thrown at me.

[gaunt star]

Are they the weapons from Omega

Kefka*

[dawn wave]

sigmascape savage

yes

[gaunt star]

I see

[pine epoch]

Ye diamond armor and weapons are sigmascape

This is the normal diamond axe

The markings aren't on it

[drowsy belfry]

Ooooooh Matsuno what the fuck youplayin

[pine epoch]

6.x or 7.x we hunt down and destroy a massive auracite crystal that is filled with near endless amount of aether so no one can use it for harm? And we use one of these bad boys to do it.

[somber storm]

auracite weapons

[iron scaffold]

This wont end well

[forest magnet]

relic grind inception: do a relic grind in order to unlock another relic grind

[rough kestrel]

Imagine if they fucking required you to have the final step of previous relics to start new relics

[pine epoch]

I mean on one hand that piss people off. But on the other that be really cool

[rough kestrel]

"You cant start this until you finish Eureka"

The 48 people that ever completed Eureka relics: Cool

[torpid yoke]

I mean the relic isn't required to do to get through STQ story

[pine epoch]

^

[forest magnet]

STQ story is still a grind though you have to get mettle

[rough kestrel]

Speaking of, SCALE UP THE BOZJAN FATES AND CES

[torpid yoke]

Zadnor gives so much that it at most takes a day and a half

[pine epoch]

The worst part of the grind if we wanna point fingers is BSF tho. As the mettle gain compared to Zadnor is abysmal

[rough kestrel]

If you die at all in BSF at rank 25, you immediately get fucked

Because you just lose like 61k and get like... i dunno 16k from a skirmish

[pine epoch]

I don't mind it as much as going back to zadnor you can make that back easily within like a minute

[torpid yoke]

They'll buff the mettle gain there when bozja isn't as relevant

[pine epoch]

And ya the mettle gain would probably be buffed to hell if STQ is required for another quest line. Just so it lets people Zoom past it fast

[rough kestrel]

I mean we already know it scales based on rank, just have it scale drastically in BSF for Zadnor players

[torpid yoke]

They are trying to keep people in zadnor

[rough kestrel]

I don't think buffing BSF is going to ruin Zadnor because people are already going back regardless for Essences, rare notes and other bullshit so I don't buy that argument

[torpid yoke]

Think of it like going from pyros to hydatos. You're not gonna level in pyros anymore since it gives less exp

[rough kestrel]

It just also feels like shit to do that

[torpid yoke]

It's the pyros to hydatos situation yo

[drowsy belfry]

Don't die in BSF 4head

[torpid yoke]

Yea just don't die in BSF

[drowsy belfry]

Or if it annoys you that much, just go into Zadnor and get it back

Not like it takes much work to get back up to 20m

[pine epoch]

according to FFXIV collect 0.8% of the playerbase has the Al-iklil

[torpid yoke]

Beat a 1v1 in bsf as well so it's not AS big of a loss

[pine epoch]

and 0.9 have the TT card mount

[torpid yoke]

I'll get the bike after getting all my honors. Then I'll get Velibor, sarty dabog 2 and lyon 2

Then I'll be able to dislocate my arms

[pine epoch]

Is Sanity, the price to pay... FOR POWER!

[torpid yoke]

Ask hedge

[drowsy belfry]

Does THIS answer that question

[gloomy shale]

does the bike help me win the game?

[drowsy belfry]

No but you'll look cool

it's also the only Multi Seater not tied to EX/Savage/Friends/MogStation

[wind bough]

What about Astrope

[pine epoch]

astrope has give me a second

astrope has a 0.8%

Which you get astrope by farming mentor roulette

[forest magnet]

or limited time events

[drowsy belfry]

I counted Astrope as EX cause that's mostly what Mentor roulette is as far as I know

[digital radish]

unless people do things involving multiple accts..generally heh

[pine epoch]

mentor roulette puts you in all those ARR or HW extremes with new players who don't know why their que is taking 1 hour

or you get A5 Normal and no one can beat a5 because no one understands the transformation mechanic

:3 I que into Zadnor and I walk in on people arguing about 1 v 1s

[dim sigil]

Require steps in hydtros and zandor

[icy abyss]

Don't say such blasphemy

[forest magnet]

I've seen people refuse to raise someone who failed a 1v1

"You shouldn't have done the 1v1 if you don't know how to do it."

[torpid yoke]

[viscid monolith]

That's on the devs for poorly designing duels

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[pine epoch]

effectively thats what it was. someone was saying its griefing to die at the start of a 1 v 1

[crystal arrow]

Lmao what

[rough kestrel]

Someone having that opinion is a griefer

Someone dying in a duel isn't griefing, that's just ass backwards stupid as fuck

[viscid monolith]

They've designed content that's impossible to learn without taking away the opportunity for the entire instance ti get a massive buff.

[dawn wave]

how dare you die to content that’s supposed to be slightly harder than normal

[crystal arrow]

Meanwhile I remember when someone went on a rant about wokeness in the shout chat because someone said "trans rights are human rights" and the entire instance told them to fuck off

[dawn wave]

people have been getting REALLY salty over field notes. lmfao

[rough kestrel]

But yeah honestly it wouldn't hurt for a duel to just sort of incapacitate you instead of killing you, but shrug

I dont care either way

[crystal arrow]

I really need to do some farming for the duels

[viscid monolith]

Duels should incap you, but also everyone who doesn't get hit should habe a turn until someone wins.

[rough kestrel]

That would be neat, it cycles through the pool of eligible players until they're all out or the duel is done

[wind bough]

Then it would be griefing to win and deny the next person their shot

[rough kestrel]

HAHA

[pine epoch]

imagine if there was a 1 v 1 tied to Dalriada and only pops when Dalriada is cleared

[rough kestrel]

Yeah I suppose so huh.

[dawn wave]

how dare you win a duel that you prepared extensively for!!

[viscid monolith]

Meh. It would be a lottery. Just don't get hit next time and you might get a shot then.

[crystal arrow]

That'd be neat. Have it be some other Allagan monstrosity or maybe zalera

[dawn wave]

just don’t have field notes attached to it

[rough kestrel]

"If you die, straight to jail"
"If you cheese it with buffs, STRAIGHT TO JAIL"
"If you drag it out, jail.

[dawn wave]

dalriada duel but you have to not get hit by anything to qualify

[rough kestrel]

My least favorite part of Dalriada is Lyon entering the Men fight

It's like they couldn't think up anything more interesting than "FIGHT DAWON"

Or whatever the fuck that bird is called

I didn't find that fight interesting in CLL and I didnt find it interesting in Dalriada

[crystal arrow]

People are gonna curse alkonost a lot, huh

[dawn wave]

tbh during dalriada and dr i barely absorbed what was going on in terms of the narrative lol. wow cool thing! let’s fight it. wow cool thing! let’s fight it

[rough kestrel]

It's alot of Lyon, you fight him in both raids, and he has two duels.

[crystal arrow]

Anyways, daily reminder, fuck alkonost, don't understand why people don't just murder it first by default

[dawn wave]

i didn’t pay attention to bozjan npcs so when everyone was sad over one of the trinity bosses i was like??? who?

[rough kestrel]

"Nobody rin, go back to sleep"

[dawn wave]

[wind bough]

Lyon’s pretty cool 👀

[somber storm]

stop looking at the mirror

[dawn wave]

i stopped paying attention to the guys on the field after hearing that one archer hyur girl who has the most annoying battle voice clips ever

[pine epoch]

I like Lyon. Hes grandpa zenos

[rough kestrel]

I like his character

I just got a bit tired of their reliance on him in fights

[pine epoch]

Also people in my instance started memeing the dude who said it was griefing and every time one of us died in dalriada they said "Woops sorry for griefing."

[rough kestrel]

It's griefing to kill Diablos

You're griefing the 7th legion

Wait what were they again? Which number?

[pine epoch]

4th

[rough kestrel]

4th legion

[dawn wave]

it’s griefing to use essences bc you’re shortening the fight experience which people might want to enjoy fully

[rough kestrel]

It's also griefing not to use essences

[dawn wave]

now that’s true

[rough kestrel]

I had someone in DR get mad at DPS not using essences (I was doing relic grind and I had none on me) so I just ignored them because I was 3rd in DPS overall anyway

[wind bough]

Respect content

I was in two separate farm parties today where I was my lazy i515 not-caught-up DRK and the other tank was in raid BiS and I kept taking aggro because I was out dpsing them despite shirking them often

Like bro c’mon I can’t even double weave

What’s your excuse

[rough kestrel]

I had a sort of similar thing today in E2N, I left Zadnor and started farming still in my fucking unmelded Bozja

So my ilvl was down to like 515

and my sks was... I dont even know what it was at but it was a mess and the 2nd-4th DPS in those runs were still like 6k lower than me.

I'm certainly no top tier SAM

After like 3 runs I was like "Why is my overall DPS lower, is it because of the parties?"

"Wait, why am I missing 25k HP"

And to add to that, people doing Eden dont know what stack markers are

And they run the fuck away with them just to die, in level 80, post MSQ content. I do not get it.

[torpid yoke]

Sounds like savage prog when one person keeps messing up

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[viscid monolith]

A bit different. There isn't a 30 minute-1 hour gap in between pulls in Savage. You can remove someone if they keep wiping you. A person can potentially be carried in Savage. It's a lot different.

[torpid yoke]

It's solo prog for a fight. If the mettle buff is that important to you gain noto, get into the 1v1 and win it yourself

[viscid monolith]

It's a lotto Rymi. I'm not arguing something this stupid. Duels and savage are literally nothing alike.

[torpid yoke]

It's a lotto that you can weigh in your favor by being eligible but not being chosen

[viscid monolith]

Probably wasn't using Essences.

Or just being lazy. Item level is equalized in all Bozja content.

[gaunt star]

so question.

[wind bough]

Not in Bozja, in an ex farm

[viscid monolith]

Oh I thought you meant a Delibrium farm

[gaunt star]

How much worse will Reaper queues during EW's MSQ be compared to GNB queues in SHB?

[viscid monolith]

Worse because it's a dps

[dim sigil]

It's okay I have a tank friends

[torpid yoke]

Depends on if ppl level in bozja

[viscid monolith]

Then not at all you'll be fine

[dim sigil]

I want to get it to 80 day 1

[viscid monolith]

Should be simple enough

[dim sigil]

Preping a augment cypt set to

[torpid yoke]

Get a full pre-made and set up exp avenues the day before and you'll be golden

[dim sigil]

Or be the person who does trusts for the first time through

[gaunt star]

I need to get into Bozja and get a riding map set up.
Also does the 'Hubris' debuff affect normal Fates by any chance?

[next quarry]

its for when you're the only one in a skirmish/CE

or under the reccomended

[torpid yoke]

Then people pass by and reset it like jer-

[gaunt star]

... fuck thats a good point, I could do trusts through MSQ.

but alas, there is still a problem before that.
Bozja levelling to 80 for Reaper is the way to go I assume? Fuck I wish we had a Deep Dungeon.

[torpid yoke]

If you're doing that from 71-80 you might as well just do bozja

[gaunt star]

Well fuck me, now I know what I must do: Get a Southern Front riding map and stockpile essences and potions.

[torpid yoke]

Bozja is better since if you wipe you don't lose that exp you would get from 10 floors

Stockpile beast essences or potion kits if you're gonna use skirmisher essence

[gaunt star]

I know, but... it'd also of given me a taste of whats to come when I hit 80 and it just feels... easier and less stressful.

Easier to have Youtube in the background and let my focus shift and somehow still be the last player standing.

[viscid monolith]

Deep Dungeon does not give you a taste of what's to come at 80

[woven escarp]

deep dungeon gives you a great taste of what it's like to die

[viscid monolith]

Most of Deep Dungeon is using some incomplete thrown together single target rotation

[gaunt star]

You say that, but I have never died in a Deep Dungeon before. And yes I do clearo ut rooms alone.

Anyway, fine, Bozja it is.

Gonna need to stockpile resources, cluster farm for riding map(s)... I refuse to rank up past 8 cause fuck I hate this story.

[viscid monolith]

In Bozja you fight actual bosses with mechanics and can piece together a reasonable rotation. Also there are dummies.

[torpid yoke]

If we got a deep dungeon in shb it would scale you up to 80 so it would give you a taste. Bozja also scales you up

[crude rover]

Ranking past 8 unlocks things that make your life easier, seems like a weird hang-up

[gaunt star]

ike what, exactly?

[crude rover]

Better lost actions, access to the dungeon that is a large chunk of exp in itself

[gaunt star]

Unless Castrum gives me a level up every time I run it, I would rather drop dead.

... But now I must ask: How do Re-Raisers work, and what rank are they?

[torpid yoke]

You would be doing dalriada

[viscid monolith]

You've never done Castrum though

[crude rover]

80% chance of instant resurrection upon death

[next quarry]

^

[crude rover]

Rank.. 18?

[viscid monolith]

It's a 24 man except you use more than 5% of your brain power. Then it gives you 5 million XP or something

[torpid yoke]

Well 70 if your using the item 80 if you use the spell

[next quarry]

you can get the item pheonix down thing that reraises

[gaunt star]

Isn't it 48 man or more than that?

[torpid yoke]

It goes up to 48 ppl

[crude rover]

CLL is up to 48

[viscid monolith]

No. It usually evens out between 30 and 40

And 48 is the max.

[crude rover]

With scaling if it's below that number

[dim sigil]

Good idea to get all the honours as well

[gaunt star]

So Lance is talking me out of CLL by feeding me bullshit. Neat.

[viscid monolith]

I'm telling you the truth

[gaunt star]

Anyway, I have considered doing Bozja just for the Honors but... I doubt I'll be in Bozja for long once I've levelled RPR ad SGE.

[crude rover]

🤔

[gaunt star]

Ahem, doing Bozja and getting it done. Just got done lawnmowing, head currently not screwed on right.

[viscid monolith]

If you're only rank 8 you aren't getting honors or that much xp for that matter.

[crude rover]

Going to be a much longer, lonely trip if you're just going to stay in southern front.

[gaunt star]

I'm used to lonely.

[torpid yoke]

Lonely is slower

[crude rover]

Pretty sure zadnor actually gives better experience, too.

[viscid monolith]

Might as well just con your friends into carrying you through dungeon queues at that point.

[gaunt star]

Come back with actual proof and I'll haul ass to Zadnor asap.

[dim sigil]

Getting to rank 25 in zanodr is a joke

The real grind is honors

[gaunt star]

I am well aware of the absurd mettle drops in Zandor tho. Isn't it like 500k per Fate or someshit?

[torpid yoke]

Zadnor gives you op actions you can use outside of Delubrum

[dim sigil]

600k

[gaunt star]

Jesus.

[torpid yoke]

It's 500k if you have mettle buff

[dim sigil]

And you need six hundred million in total to get all others

[pine epoch]

Zadnor exp for leveling 71-80 is great like 1 million per skirmish. And like 2 or 3 million per ce. And 5 mill a dalriada

[viscid monolith]

Don't do Dalriada for XP

[dim sigil]

Ah wait you need 71 to get into bojza in gonna have to lv reaper once before i get in 😿

[torpid yoke]

I never got to try bozja exp. I was at 80 on all jobs before it came out 😔

[gaunt star]

... that slipped my mind too. Fuck me.

How the hell did I level GNB to 61 so I could spam HoH?

[dim sigil]

Msq roulette

[torpid yoke]

That's why you prep a level the day before

[gaunt star]

Oh, right.

[viscid monolith]

People are fucking morons. They go into Dalriada and don't essences, actions, and generally half ass the whole way through. So it takes longer than it needs to and you end up at lower XP per hour than just doing other CEs.

[dim sigil]

Wym prep a level

[gaunt star]

I need the tomes too so thats probably what I did.

[pine epoch]

I've been dealing with someone in my FC who hasn't really explained what their work is but are having a rough time through BSF saying it's to boring and theyve been in there for 10 hours and never get any good lost actions and that their rank 7. And that it's not solo friendly. And I honestly have a tough time trying to give them advice other than just do it.

[viscid monolith]

You have to farm mobs for essences which people are generally too lazy to do.

You're gonna want to farm some clusters too so you can get the riding maps for BSF and Zadnor.

[gaunt star]

I already had that in mind.

[sour perch]

yeah there is generally no way for a person to like BSF unless they just want to put up with it

10 hours for 7 seems incredibly slow though

[gaunt star]

So check list for myself: Cluster farm for riding maps, Attempt to get relevant essences for being a melee DPS... question whether or not the mental torture of CLL, DR, AND Dalradia are worth having better actions/items/better exp rates. Hmm.

[viscid monolith]

Just do dungeons them you've clearly made up your mind.

[gaunt star]

I mean thanks to you feeding me bullshit, I might as well do dungeons.

[sour perch]

Dalriada, CLL and DR all give decent exp for their length tbf if that affects your decision

[pine epoch]

That's what I was thinking to like my brain is trying to wrap around what theyve done for 10 hours. 10 hours I was done already with BSF story. But I wanna give them the benefit of the doubt as they arent active a lot and play at weird hours

[viscid monolith]

I didn't tell you bullshit

[sour perch]

I mean, it'sn ot bullshit. Lance is giving you genuine advice. I don't see why you need to be brash about it

[viscid monolith]

Xelion tell this dickhead to calm down

I ha e no fucking clue why they're being so hostile

[sour perch]

Have you asked them what exactly they were doing...? Sounds like they're having a bad time and not really doing things 'right'

[pine epoch]

Take a breather plz no need to get hostile here.

[sour perch]

additional note: you can just buy essences off the mb

[gaunt star]

I'm aware. I'll look into it now that my luck in The Tower gave me a good sum of pocket gil.

[icy abyss]

@pine epoch maybe u can tag along with them and see if they r really spending their time efficiently, help in that way ya know?

[viscid monolith]

All you do is jump from skirmish to skirmish and do all CEs as they pop up.

Are they also doing their story quests as they pop up? Those usually give a good amount mettle.

[gaunt star]

I should level DNC up and try out Bozja through that.

[subtle pasture]

I wanna turn in the emotions for my first relic but I should prob just keep the quest open til I have a 2nd Aug LO to start it up again

I'm going forrr, at least all 3 healer relics, dunno what else after

so much Delubrum

[gaunt star]

If only we could get the coins from CE's...

I'd of gladly pushed thorugh Bozja if it meant only needing to do DR once.

[subtle pasture]

what's the alternatives for Timeworn again, just PotD....?

[viscid monolith]

What are these extra bozjan coins for

[subtle pasture]

well, I guess I do still have SAM under 60............

[viscid monolith]

I have a bunch of platinum but nowhere to spend them

[pine epoch]

Platinum can be spent in zadnor

[viscid monolith]

Oh ok I went to Gangos

[pine epoch]

there is a npc by the mendor who will take them for FF12 glam. and you can buy the DR hairstyle

[subtle pasture]

Early to Rise hair, I suppose. 5 gold and 30 plat-- oh,

[viscid monolith]

Oooh that's where it's from

[subtle pasture]

yeah it's Zadnor gear but that merchant's only in Zadnor

[viscid monolith]

Time to Basch cosplay then

[pine epoch]

kinda wish all the Bozja merchants would be consolidated in Gangos

[subtle pasture]

which of these goddamn lion twunks is the replica vendor again

[gaunt star]

None of them, its the hot Thighlander a couple fulms near Gerolt.

[pine epoch]

Regena

[subtle pasture]

Weird, coulda swore another npc sold them too

[clever flume]

nope, replicas are all from regana

[subtle pasture]

Or I might be confused with the Platinum trader in Zadnor who had other dialogue pre-Dalriada

[crude rover]

Yeah the bozja vendors are a mess.

[subtle pasture]

Something about "the costs to make these Blades gears"

[sour perch]

the paltinum vendor is directly to the right of you when you spawn into zadnor

[subtle pasture]

yeah, I mighta been confused by remembering what he says before you complete Zadnor story

[sour perch]

yeah he's like
🐱

[gaunt star]

papa Pashtarot, may I ask a thing?

[subtle pasture]

[gaunt star]

papa...............

[torpid yoke]

They were never seen again

[stiff charm]

/spectacles

[drowsy belfry]

14/17

[pine epoch]

You can do it you can win

[gaunt star]

bleat.

[pine epoch]

That bow has a crosshair

[open verge]

The bard weapon would be so good if the glow wasn’t green

[pastel coyote]

stop Hedge

[gaunt star]

wasn't something about the weapons dyeable or someshit?

[clever flume]

Glow can't be dyed

[gaunt star]

Boo.

[subtle pasture]

The model itself is dyeable, as usual, yeah

[sour perch]

glows are normally never dye-able with some varying exceptions, none of which are relics iirc

[clever flume]

honestly can't think of any glow in game that can be dyed

[gaunt star]

Would be nice if they could be

Don't like the glow of this relic? Just change it

[subtle pasture]

There's sets like uhhh, the Gordian weapons, where the crystal has a nice sheen, and the crystal is dyeable so it gives the illusion of dyeable glow

[sour perch]

gordian weapons and certain eden weapons

[subtle pasture]

similar to Replica High Allagan, the glowy red bits are dyeable

[clever flume]

ah fair

[subtle pasture]

but yeah, it's not the glow being dyeable, just the sheen is transparent so it takes on the color

[sour perch]

mhm

[subtle pasture]

or some such

[pine epoch]

Hey pash did you see the stupid thing I posted this morning?

[gaunt star]

yoshi "we dont want people to rush content" P

but in all seriousness wtf

[chilly bluff]

Hedge is either a mad man or the most sane of us all

[clever flume]

definitely mad man

[subtle pasture]

I don't think so

[pine epoch]

#retired-patch-6-3-discussion message

@subtle pasture

[subtle pasture]

Ooo, neat.

[brisk quail]

HEDGE. GO OUTSIDE.@drowsy belfry

[drowsy belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/fetch-regina-george-mean-girls-santa-hat-mean-gif-5497996

[dim sigil]

I feel crazy doing just 3

[iron scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-the-frog-go-the-fuck-outside-punk-go-out-gif-16905422

[stiff charm]

you call yourself hedge yet refuse to touch grass

[drowsy belfry]

https://gfycat.com/brilliantjoyousdesertpupfish

[iron scaffold]

You need to be out there running and rolling around at the speed of sound got places to go, gotta follow your rainbow can't stick around, have to keep movin' on. Guess what lies ahead, only one way to find out

[drowsy belfry]

I got 3 weapons left

I promise you, once I'm done with Every Blade's Weapon

I will take a walk in the park

[stiff charm]

take a pic of your fingers making contact with grass

[pine epoch]

Nah Hedge when you finish the last weapon. Whats going to happen is you will ascend

[pastel coyote]

Is this a kind way to say he will die ?

[stiff charm]

"ascend"

[next oriole]

question for the war in bozja, was... menensus and crew aware of garlemald being... primal land

not that i remember their names to spell it out

[clever flume]

kind of doubt that they know what's going on in garlemald imo

granted, nerva did recall them back to the capital but they ignored those orders

[next oriole]

for an army capable of having aerial support and comms, i wonder why didn't th- is it logical to not check up on what's happening to the country fought for?

[subtle pasture]

Kinda bummed the Legions to actually listen to the recall, even if to join the civil war ae their own party, weren’t named, and the whole event kinda steamrolled bc Zenos and Fandaniel and their greater tower

But I guess that just moves me on to hoping Garlemald story incorporates them

[iron scaffold]

Might be saveing them for future content

[subtle pasture]

Though, I suppose the line of the legion recall wasn't actually in MSQ, was it, it's in Sorrow of Werlyt and Save the Queen, MSQ just remarks Nerva pushed the Civil War and now intel on Garlemald has kinda gone dark outside of its Tower construction

Probably have like, a couple Legatii show up as Telo-thralls, one be a Good Guy™️ trying to save the refugees left (Nerva, probs), or just dead

[iron scaffold]

1st, 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 13th are only left

[subtle pasture]

Civil War was only explicitly between the First and Third Legions -- and I would still wager Varis was likely Legatus of the First, -- but yeah, I kinda wish at least one or two others were mentioned in response to all that

Or, at the least, First Legion was deffo fighting on Varis's side, though, with him dead and Zenos awol/rumored to be a ghost, next in line to the Throne would probably be, Nerva ._.

Like before learning he is House Galvus it did look like a Legatus just trying to topple the royal house but, he's in it, or was?

[iron scaffold]

I hope 7.0 is a proper Ilsabard expansion

[pastel coyote]

Sure, Garlemald restoration

[pine epoch]

The first legion fighting the 3rd is kinda honestly fuckin stupid

But I guess it makes sense because if the first was Varis Legion, it would be filled with die hard loyalist

Who probably wouldn't want Nerva anywhere near the throne.

[iron scaffold]

Seriously, I need meet this Nerva fellow

but I swear if turns out to be a dead ringer to Emet i'll lose my shit

[stiff charm]

i dont know if i wanna watch the release trailer when it drops or not

[elder moth]

Probably wise not to. They're not awful with the spoilers, but some big stuff could be there

[stiff charm]

yeah, "eldest and most powerful.. of primals" is a lil much to be in a trailer
but also i want to participate in the discussion

[iron scaffold]

how are are you in MSQ?

[stiff charm]

caught up

[pastel coyote]

Stuff misleading like "why i know so much about the final days ? Well i have an hand in it..... the first one"

[stiff charm]

and also it will have the final boss theme in there and i want that to surprise me

[iron scaffold]

what final boss

3.0 4.0 and 5.0 didn't show any final boss

[stiff charm]

the music

https://youtu.be/CxHSSRjFH14?t=183

[iron scaffold]

i see

[bold condor]

All of the .0 patch trailers include the final boss themes, yee. Except 2.0, which does use Penitus regardless.

[stiff charm]

watching it would send me into a pit of despair when there isnt even a hint of anything i predicted

(and then it turns out the wacky one is phase 2 not phase 3)

[bold condor]

I don't understand. If Misija bad, then why hot?

[stiff charm]

TRUE

my war criminal wife

[bold condor]

❤️ ❤️ ❤️

tall woman!

[kindred rampart]

in here war crimes only increases the thirst it seems

[bold condor]

Correct!

https://tenor.com/view/ffxiv-yotsuyu-stomp-angry-final-fantasy-xiv-gif-13900102

[heady shadow]

speaking

theres more fanart of the twins' dad lol

[bold condor]

Fourchenault is like the anti-war crimes person. Peace crimes.

[gaunt star]

Still gonna steal his wife.

[stiff charm]

we dont even know what she looks like yet

[gaunt star]

And?

[stiff charm]

she is an elezen, i assume, so my wol will be in love at first sight

[sour perch]

milfslayer

[stiff charm]

more like milf prey

[sour perch]

the endless circular power dynamic

[bold condor]

Fourchenault will have his wife and children stolen from him for his peace crimes.

[barren karma]

My prediction is thus! I think that the Fourchenault we see is a decoy, and not the real one....the real Fourchenault is trapped underneath the deep dark secret that old sharlyan defiantly has.

[sour perch]

that's way better than what people were predicting with what labyrinthos actually is

[gaunt star]

All i want from labarynthos is the song to suddenly start slapping

[viscid monolith]

Yotsuyu stepping on Gosetsu was always comical to me

Yotsuyu weighs like 80 pounds. Gosetsu didn't feel any of that all.

[bold condor]

It's more the feeling of control than actual injury.

In her mind, she'd have, like, all day to torture him.

[viscid monolith]

Makes sense ya

[bold condor]

It's also just kind of disrespectful for you to step on someone's face in an etiquette sense, too.

Gosetsu is a samurai lord of Doma, and he's being stepped on by someone he just called out on being a whore.

Which is harsher in hindsight considering how that happened and how Gosetsu's relationship with her goes, granted.

[subtle pasture]

Gosetsu is also the poster boy of one of the things she despises most, per In Darkness Blooms the Lily

[viscid monolith]

I completely forgot he called her that

[subtle pasture]

“These men strangle themselves on tradition,” to paraphrase

[bold condor]

wtb AU where Lord Kaien was able to hold the line a bit longer against Garlemald 25 years ago, leading to Gosetsu coming across a young girl being abused by a wicked woman and charging in like a mad bull screaming at them to leave her be, then taking her under his wing.

"What is your name, child?" "Yotsuyu..." "Tsuyu? Then I shall be your guardian, Tsuyu!"

Gosetsu flashes the world's biggest smile. Tsuyu smiles too.

[subtle pasture]

"Tradition?" the courtesan spat. "My countrymen strangle themselves with the shackles of worn-out customs and formalities. Their eyes bulge and their limbs spasm, and still they cling to precious notions of honor and sacrifice."
Ah, here's the passage from her short story

[stiff charm]

we turn off the artificial sun during msq and the night theme is just

[subtle pasture]

Same track just in reverse,

so the quieter wind-up bit is the music box pittering out at the end

[gaunt star]

😨

[viscid monolith]

We haven't had any good horror in XIV for a while

[gaunt star]

Flesh towers have good potential

[viscid monolith]

Tesleen's transformation was pretty good but it didn't really go anywhere horror wise.

And the horror of Eulmore was more background information

[bold condor]

Tesleen's transformation absolutely went places.

[subtle pasture]

I wonder how the Labyrinthos theme sounds in reverse, actually

[crystal arrow]

Tesleen’s transformation absolutely made me 200% more invested in the story. Definitely some horror shit there.

[bold condor]

Not only did it establish the horror of becoming a sin eater, a fate that very nearly personally befalls us, if you did Alisaie first it completely shifts the tone when you visit Eulmore.

[crystal arrow]

yeeeup... that’s what i did

[subtle pasture]

Good horror in 14
Looks @ the Werlyt weapons and Save the Queen

[viscid monolith]

Ya but the horror never got so overt as when she first transformed. It can't just be implied and background. I need it in my face, or like in the form of atmosphere.

[bold condor]

No, it can absolutely be implied and background.

[viscid monolith]

I mean for me personally to feel some sense of fear.

[bold condor]

This isn't Resident Evil, Lance.

[subtle pasture]

Vauthry's gross nomming on Meol and Ryne revealing he was the Warden comes to mind,

[bold condor]

They have to keep a consistent rating across several localizations.

[crystal arrow]

this is an mmo, not a horror game lol

[viscid monolith]

I can have a little Resident Evil as a treat.

[bold condor]

Exactly. You think Tesleen alone wasn't pushing it? Or Vauthry, for that matter.

[viscid monolith]

I just want one more dungeon like Tam Tara HM again.

[bold condor]

Dusk Vigil.

Castrum Abania is also horrid.

[viscid monolith]

Ya Dusk Vigil. Frozen zombies. Notes about them slowly all freezing to death.

[crystal arrow]

honestly what I kinda wished for was to see some straight up biblical angels, I’m surprised the closest we got was storge

[viscid monolith]

The absolute hopelessness of it all

[bold condor]

Literally every sin eater is a Biblical angel except the minor ones who are animals but white.

[stiff charm]

my friend told me to do ali first and ill always appreciate him for that

[viscid monolith]

What angel is the Holminister Warden based on?

[bold condor]

And what do you mean "closest," Storge is straight up an Ophanim.

Philia is probably not one, though offhand I'd say it may have taken inspiration from the Nephilim, who are half-angel giants.

[subtle pasture]

--Labyrinthos BGM reversed doesn't sound terribly different

[crystal arrow]

Philia's backstory is pretty fucked, some prisoner who was trapped when the flood of light washed through

[stiff charm]

mobs only spawn at night in labyrinthos, night bgm is like mociannes hard

[bold condor]

But the rest? Eros is Cherubim (and also angelic Cerberus), Storge is Ophanim, Vauthry with wings is a twisted take on the more popular cherub, and Innocence is basically just Archangel Michael.

And, yes, Biblical angels also came in humanoid. They weren't all monstrous to behold.

Vauthry could also pass for Seraphim.

And then there's Eden and the Rubix's Cube, which are... uh...

[crystal arrow]

Storge is definitely inspired by ophanim, yeah, but I just wish they went more into the eldritch horror shit than just that. Ophanim consist mostly of just burning golden rings covered in eyes, and storge was just... a statue (?) with a bunch of wings?

[subtle pasture]

I really dig this banner in Radz-at-Han, while 'm rewatching the area crawl trailers

[bold condor]

This is literally the only kind of angel in the hierarchy that kind of looks like this, and even then that is a massively stylized depiction of an Ophanim angel.

[subtle pasture]

on the subject of eyes on eyes on eyes,

[crystal arrow]

I dig em too, I wonder what it stands for

[chilly bluff]

Oh that’s their flag?

Radical

[subtle pasture]

It's A flag, but I don't believe it's the one on the map in the full trailer

[crystal arrow]

that's one of the first results that comes up when you search ophanim ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[subtle pasture]

oh nvm, yes it is.

[chilly bluff]

Sick lol

[bold condor]

You know I can use Google, too, yeah?

Anyway, it's just that "Biblically-accurate angel" is such a meme.

What people actually mean is they want nonsense horror monsters to be in everything.

[crystal arrow]

yes? that doesn't look like storge. if anything storge looks more like a biblical seraphim

[subtle pasture]

Eldritch abominations, and yes

[bold condor]

Fair, I got the rank wrong.

[next quarry]

creeepy

[bold condor]

I'm not calling them that, it makes the concept sound more intelligent than it is.

[subtle pasture]

Tomato, tomato, "things beyond mortal comprehension" and all that

[bold condor]

An old racist was scared of fish, therefore Cthulhu needs to be in everything.

[crystal arrow]

Storge lacks the burning rings, just a coin/statue surrounded by a bunch of wings :p

[bold condor]

Why are you arguing with me when I said I got the rank wrong?

[subtle pasture]

Well that's why I personally never call it "Lovecraftian," he can rot and roll in his grave--

[bold condor]

Do you need me to be more incorrect, or what?

[crystal arrow]

I'm... not arguing? I'm just stating it with a picture

[bold condor]

Fine, it was hard to read tone with the ":p" there. Felt like I was being mocked for getting it wrong.

It's been, like, almost a decade (oh god please kill me soon) since I binged on Biblical angel lore.

Anyway, fantasy fans tend to think anything can be improved by making it eldritch horror. I just find it tiresome, I didn't mean to snap at you.

Just because fear of the unknown is fundamental to the human experience doesn't make it the only interesting kind of horror.

...Also Storge being "eldritch" wouldn't work because we know what it is.

Same problem the Old Gods have in WoW.

[mighty light]

If eldritch horror is solely reliant on fear of the unknown it's bad horror
(Most of Lovecraft is bad horror)

[gaunt star]

What the fuck did I come back to.

[bold condor]

Me being salty about eldritch horror.

[mighty light]

The moment you learn anything about it it stops being scary
There needs to be more to it

[sour perch]

sin eaters aren't eldritch horror

they're creepy/scary but i would argue it's farfetched to call them eldritch

[bold condor]

I know, that's why I felt Storge being made more eldritch wouldn't work.

[sour perch]

i don't necessarily agree with that, i think with more exploration a more eldritch sin eater would've been cool in contrast to the other ones

[bold condor]

As the endboss to the weakest (narratively) dungeon in the story?

Also we got a more eldritch sin eater.

[sour perch]

think they could've redone malikah's well too

[bold condor]

It's a half-dead living airship with a computer system installed on it that can be interfaced with by a little girl.

[mighty light]

Malikah's Well(sp.) is just
Kinda bad, in general
Which sucks b/c Storge has my favourite LW design by far

[sour perch]

okay yeah eden was pretty creepy

[bold condor]

You know what does work as eldritch horror, though?

[mighty light]

Oh no

[bold condor]

Fuck this thing. Fuck the person who designed it. I hate it. I love that I hate it but I hate it.

[next quarry]

it died in the EW trailer, forever, never to be seen again

[bold condor]

Anyway, yeah, the Terminus beasts are, for better or worse, eldritch horror in design, as are these horrible towers.

[mighty light]

(The Final Days work so well as eldritch and cosmic horror as well
That's a huge part of why I really do not want it to turn into Oh No Big Monster)

[bold condor]

Same.

[next quarry]

is terminus unique to XIV?

[bold condor]

Absolutely unique to XIV, yes. So are sin eaters, for that matter.

[next quarry]

thats really nice

o well

i mean with other FFs

[bold condor]

Yes.

[stiff charm]

when i first saw it i actually got spooked thst thing can go fuck itself

[bold condor]

No other game has had anything like sin eaters unless you count putting random angel motifs on final bosses sometimes.

[stiff charm]

primordial serpent human tooth having motherfucker

[sour perch]

amaurot as a whole was eldritch horror done really well

[stiff charm]

like zenos will in the 90 trial phase 2 of course

[bold condor]

tbh if he went in the opposite direction and went full Neo Exdeath, I'd be pretty happy.

[stiff charm]

i just want my one winged angel

[bold condor]

Terminus Zenos.

[stiff charm]

he just expands his body into a contorted mess

[mighty light]

Amaurot is very in line with a lot of cosmic horror
Less because Amaurot itself is horrifying (although it is, in a way) and more because of the whole
"These people were monstrously powerful, they had a society which was, if not perfect, certainly much better than most of those that exist in Eorzea's present, and they were as driven as we were--but they still failed, they still fell, they still became divided, and that turned the survivors to madness.

[balmy mesa]

biblical angels are weird

[viscid monolith]

Butt mouth

[bold condor]

Only sometimes.

[stiff charm]

"fandaniel why does this tower have teeth"
"to protect the tongue of course"

[bold condor]

Zenos: "radical."

[viscid monolith]

"Good thinking Fandaniel, this is why you're in charge of architecture"

[bold condor]

Who wants to bet the first major character killed on-screen with Zenos's new scythe is Fandaniel?

[stiff charm]

no itll be yshtola

[bold condor]

lol

[viscid monolith]

I think Fandaniel is gonna get a little too rough with us and Zenos steps in

Fandaniel doesn't seem to be a fan of us in the trailer

[stiff charm]

a lil rough?

[viscid monolith]

He can't kill us outright but we can be killed with traps

[bold condor]

uwu wawwiow of wight my name is fannydanny and i wead da tewophowoi

[dim sigil]

I feel the implication this more we are going to be seeing these on the

[bold condor]

Zenos: throws my big sword at u
Fanny: OwO

[viscid monolith]

regular? I like when former bosses become regular mobs. That's narrative progression and more importantly the models can be reused

[gaunt star]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/588549521198546957/836992847869509682/ezgif-1-14ed0dab72f7.gif

[stiff charm]

demon ruins flashbacks like 8 tsurus demons just vibing

[viscid monolith]

@stiff charm Boomer moment. Waaaaay back in ARR when Amdapor Keep HM first released, people were super angry that 4 Demon Walls showed up. They thought it made the boss cheap and pointless.

[stiff charm]

lol

[viscid monolith]

Probably felt silly when they realized we don't actually fight them.

[chilly bluff]

I- is… what if reaper is calling Ferdiad?

[gaunt star]

That's what I thought, isn't it just an add room with a timer?

[viscid monolith]

Yes, but people complained before it even released

[mighty light]

They're committed to not content-locking jobs, and Ferdiad is trapped in Ampador Keep until hard mode, so it's probably not him

[crystal arrow]

and we also kill ferdiad in dun scaith - or at least, I think we do

[mighty light]

His narration implies death, as does Cuchulain's, but, like
That's not how Voidsent work normally

So I have no idea what's going on as per usual

[viscid monolith]

No they just went back to the void

[wintry niche]

Are the roles for the role quests going to be the same for EW, or are they going to shake things up somehow?

[stiff charm]

they are splitting melee and ranged phys into 2, other than that the same

[wintry niche]

Got it. Worth leveling up MCH, then. Thanks!

[balmy mesa]

I missed this, when was that said?

[stiff charm]

uhhhhh some interview in like february i cant remember

[elder moth]

The first digital reveal event iirc? Or this last Fanfest I can't remember

[clever flume]

fairly certain it was the feb stream yeah

[balmy mesa]

ahh cool, just wasn't sure!

[desert raven]

Goddam Arenvald, how many death flags can you set in one cutscene

[gloomy shale]

Why is Dalriada so boring?

[sour perch]

it's fine, i wasn't expecting it to be nuts
diabalos was fun

[viscid monolith]

I saw it today

The legendary hour long Dalriada

Luckily I wasn't in there with them. I laughed from the outside.

Use your fucking Essences you damn animals

[languid breach]

I was expecting around CLL level difficulty, but tbh it was easy as fuck. I only noticed the existence of doors on the last boss at the last dash thing. You can survive every fight with fucking up every mech. Without twice come ruin, it's easier than lota.

[sour perch]

you are getting really bad ones lance jfc

[viscid monolith]

No I wasn't in it jimmy

[sour perch]

tbf CLL is also a cakewalk now

[brisk quail]

Excellence: exists

[viscid monolith]

I was just watching them in chat. Suffering.

[brisk quail]

Manawall: exists

[languid breach]

But in CLL you have to do mechs or die.

[sour perch]

oh thank god lance i was worried for your soul

anyway echo really made dalriada a cakewalk but CLL is even more chill out

yeah no doubt it is a bit harder between Adramalech and Lyon's fight but it's lemons to slightly greener lemons

[pine epoch]

Dalriada has certain mechanics that will just fuck you over if your not paying attention.

[crystal arrow]

Dalriada is pretty fun.

[sour perch]

Dalraida has Dawon mechanics and the Saunion spin can be killer

Diabolic gate genuinely requires some sort of attention and thought so that gets some credit
Final stand can fuck people up on Diabolos Armament

Some creative mechanics on bot of first encounter

[stiff charm]

i love that diablo has a desperation phase

[sour perch]

It was overall okay. Echo scaling definitely makes it way more forgiving than shit like Earth + Fire during Call of the Fiend of whatever where it just one-shots you

and fucking cursed Dawon Obey crosses

[viscid monolith]

I've never had Echo in Dalriada

[sour perch]

i take massive exception to their hit detection

[crystal arrow]

the first encounter is depression and fear all at once

loved the saunion + dawon teamup though - hope we get more dual bosses for 24 mans going forward

[languid breach]

I never paid attention to diabolic gates tbh. I didn't even notice they existed until I died to like the second and third and looked around while taking a dirt nap.

[dim sigil]

I saw 3 chests once

[crystal arrow]

they're all in the same place each time, just memorize their locations apparently and you're good

[sour perch]

it's really easy when you figure out the two squares in the middle telegraph exactly how big diabolic gate is gonna be

[crystal arrow]

the other single gate is usually the one that he'll teleport across from

[stiff charm]

people cant turn their stances on so we probably wont

[crystal arrow]

that's a problem in single boss 24man fights too though,

[languid breach]

There's the Hansel and Gretel fight also. I hate that fight because tanks always turn the upgraded shield boss away from the party

[sour perch]

i blame the size of the arena tbh

[stiff charm]

i do really like how h&g were integrated in to ff mechanics though

[crystal arrow]

not like it matters because most people just attack the other one anyways

[sour perch]

yeah they're a neat fight when the tanks are competent

[languid breach]

What were they like in whatever nier game they're from?

[stiff charm]

in replicant they were the first "real" boss fight

[crystal arrow]

they're from replicant

[stiff charm]

one of them would become immune and sit around while you had to hit the other

[crystal arrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuP-ZjGx6WE

[stiff charm]

so it was super ez (tutorial boss after all)

[stiff charm]

blu-bird

[languid breach]

Bards love more targets to dot, and whm/dnc have misc aoes that are in their core rotation

[crystal arrow]

haven't ever had a problem with assize in that fight

[sour perch]

any classes with cleaves benefit from it so it's always more optimal to turn the boss around at zero cost to the fight

[crystal arrow]

and dncs are so short it doesn't matter

[sour perch]

dancers and whms i've played with constnatly get smacked with a counterattack bc the tank was too cheeky to turn it around

[languid breach]

Tbh I'm mostly salty because I'm a brd main in those raids

[sour perch]

either way it is a objectively gain to have the shielded one turned around

[clever flume]

pretty much no reason to not face the shielded one towards the raid

[sour perch]

DRG, BRD, SMN, and every healer stand to benefit from it

[languid breach]

People face the shield one out of the way for the same reason people pull bone dragon north in the good lord's year of two thousand and twenty one

[sour perch]

to be entirely fair pulling bone dragon all the way north is fine

[clever flume]

ehhh not really anymore

most people can easily survive the skeletons blowing up so pulling it all the way north is a waste of time

[sour perch]

it makes the skeletons take longer to get there, no?
had a team wipe there becuase it was center and people were shit at killing platinals

and oh boy people really love being shit at killing platinals

[languid breach]

That was a healer problem

[crystal arrow]

^ you can easily outheal the damage

[sour perch]

damn
gotta go beat em up then

[clever flume]

unless you have a bunch of people going in at like... bare ilvl you should easily surivive with a few med2/succor whatever

[sour perch]

my healers sucked that one time

[languid breach]

Thanks, I'll watch it once I'm on my computer

[brisk quail]

Dalriada echo is like sub 21 people

[languid breach]

Then again I've had wipes on KB too

[sour perch]

we nearly 5-manned dalriada day one but half of us forgot essences so timer ran out

this was also blind so
diabolic gate fucked everyone up besides me though since i was tonk

[idle sandal]

im not 100% sure if this r ight place to ask don't really talk in here but during any the stuff for 5.55 did they ever mention if there was going to be a second method for the laws order augments. probably gonna get backlash for asking but figured wouldn't hurt to

[stiff charm]

its either 3 in dalriada, 2 in dr, 1 in castrum i think

[subtle pasture]

Raw Emotions? 3 per Dalriada, 2 per Delubrum, chance for 1 on a HoH set clear

[idle sandal]

sorry shoulda been more clear on that im meaning laws order augmented armors

[stiff charm]

you can buy the augment things on mb

[subtle pasture]

Oh, Aug LO armor, yeah the tokens are marketable, but else, y-yeah orz

[idle sandal]

yeah its runners plates that been the part i been thinking wanted to make sure i didn't miss any changes there since well currently kinda in odd spot with DRS it self

[gaunt star]

I'm pretty sure their intention there was just making DRS much more accessible to run

They've fielded some questions/concerns about it with "Hey if you want this, wait for the patch"

[idle sandal]

so far most ive heard is the honors make things go smooth however its more issue getting back into DRS thats been problem why i was hoping something was said about the platings

[gaunt star]

Hasn't been anything else said about that AFAIK, DRS should be trivialized pretty hard by new actions + valor but you still need to find people actually willing to run it

And there isn't actually much incentive to do so

[idle sandal]

yeah thats the other thing unless you join static for it which i kinda can't ive already got one for eden and most days they been wanting to run from what i was able to see messes with my current static for eden

[tawdry jewel]

guys. what i need to do if i want 2nd relic ?

[unreal wadi]

grind

[tawdry jewel]

Start at Change of Arms again ?

[unreal wadi]

from step 1 yes

[tawdry jewel]

oh thanks

[crude rover]

If you intend to do multiple relics it's good practice to keep the quests rolling

Because you only get the items if the quests are active, but other than that there's no requirements to receive them

[dim sigil]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/813524534744711198/848315639961878539/20210529_014456.jpg

[tawdry jewel]

Great information. Thank You 🙂

[crude rover]

That image is missing potd/hoh options for the last two steps, but it's otherwise what you need to do for 2nd relic+

[dim sigil]

Yeah but who is going to do those options

[tawdry jewel]

POTD/HOH is dead

[crude rover]

I think potd is a good thing to know if you're leveling alt jobs anyway

I took advantage of it for the MCH I was getting to 60 anyway

[dim sigil]

I suppose I'm just from the perspective of somebody who has all the 80s a while ago

[crude rover]

Also, DR is super fucking tedious so it's good to know you can break the monotony with something similarly monotonous

[dim sigil]

I was kind of mad I didn't save some cuz got all 80s before bozja

[crude rover]

Xd

[dim sigil]

Me having dozens of Dr

[crude rover]

Dr wouldn't be as bad if the first boss had like.. 30% less health.

The other bosses don't feel nearly as bad

[stiff charm]

all my parties are ass so it doesnt matter getting an esuna on cleansing slash is rare for me

[dim sigil]

31 runs dr exactly i think

[crude rover]

I usually tank them as war so I don't need healing, then regret it at the final boss because of that

[stiff charm]

yeah i always bloodsucker war so healers dont have to worry at all andi can deal with curebots

but ffs use esuna or at least bard use your thing

[crude rover]

More likely to get a tbn from a drk to prevent it from applying than an esuna

[brisk quail]

They said nothing of the sort

[pulsar yacht]

I think all the DR bosses (not the dino and phantom) could do with 15-20% less health. it's easy to say well just use dps essences and actions but the number of runs where people didn't have just one action up passively 😐

[brisk quail]

They mentioned something about other ways to boost power

Which eventually birthed the Honors system we have now

[crude rover]

I suspect they'll reduce the timeworn step in 6.0 if not earlier

[brisk quail]

They decided to make them totally seprate progession mechanics so (if you... suck/have bad rng/don't have mad gil) you can still get powerful even if you don't do DRS or get stuff from castrum

[subtle pasture]

Oh huh, Marsak has dialogue about the Dalriada

According to Bwagi, it was a fleet of warships led by the Dalriada that brought the resistance factions in Rabanastre to a standstill after Doma gained its freedom.
Ground units managed to disable the barrier protecting the city, and the bombardment that followed razed the city to the ground in minutes.
Possessed of such power, I was surprised they did not engage us with the Dalriada before claiming their prize from the ruins. Try as I might, I could not figure out the why of it.
After the battle, we searched the ship's wreckage for survivors, and the imperial soldiers we rescued, no doubt grateful for our assistance, provided me with an answer.
If they are to be believed, the Dalriada was not, in fact, armed for battle.
Was the warship then brought here solely for the purpose of retrieving the Allagan relic? Or was his army merely bereft of resources?
In the case of the latter, it would not bode well for his forces that struggle even now to maintain their hold on Dalmasca and Nagxia. Perhaps now is the opportunity Lady Fran has been waiting for to rout them once and for all.```

They call the Dalriada a warship but it wasn't armed for battle, else, its last major deployment seems to be Rabanastre in wake of the Doman Liberation... uh, wasn't the city already razed by then?

Must have been the battle that gave way to the Lucavi summonings seen in the Rabanastre raid, I suppose. I might be mixing it up with the rebellions Livia put down.

Er, and it likely means the Dalriada wasn't currently armed for battle when it came to Zadnor, so specced out for the DA's excavation, - if not due to limited resources

no lore on the ship's make and history beyond that tho

--Oh hey, this probably means the rando to turn into Argath was probably our first on-screen IVth Legion Zealot

[iron scaffold]

so it's more of a Super Carrier

[mighty light]

The people at camp seemed convinced it was armed for battle, and that if it came their way, shields or not, they were doomed

Oh I can't read

[brisk quail]

Dalriada is more of a moving garage for the Ultima weapon project

It services/transports and studies them

Hence it being used for Diablo Armament

And how it was able to be removed from the ruins it was in

[mighty light]

Where are you getting that from?

Ultima was uncovered in Ala Mhigo, and the only legion that ever did anything with it itself was Gaius'; the 4th is very clearly aware of it but like. Only by reputation.
And as far as I'm aware the 7th never had anything to do with the Dalriada

And whether it's currently armed or not, like... It's really weird that everybody would be convinced it was heavily armed if it wasn't ever equipped at any point.

It's not like we don't have very well-informed Dalmascans around.

[subtle pasture]

Yeah, the Dalriada apparently was fitted and sent to Zadnor solely for carrying the Armament out of it, but it is still classed as a warship and likely had weapons when it previously lead the fleet that razed Rabanastre

[pine epoch]

From how it sounds like. Dalriada has undergone modifications throughout its life

[balmy mesa]

it makes sense that they'd refit it depending on their needs

[subtle pasture]

Still wish Marsak had a bit more lore on it, but I GUESS it makes sense he'd just know they feared it carried weapons when the last report of it was the razing of Rabanastre,

[mighty light]

I'm leaning more towards their supplies being too limited to fully outfit the Dalriada in time under the circumstances.

[subtle pasture]

I'm on the fence bc, like, yeah the supply line was cut, but they also withdrew out of Dalmasca fairly easily to pool all they had for Zadnor?

But like, it also explains why most the forces inside the Dalriada are, man and manned

[drowsy belfry]

Mh y'know what I hope will be used in future content like Bozja?

[subtle pasture]

Kagura

[mighty light]

Yeah, and also, like. They were in a huge rush, and pushed hard onto the back foot by the BSF

[drowsy belfry]

Varis' airship, it's kinda just chilling in Azys Lla. Was hoping it'd be a dungeon at some point but with no more non MSQ dungeons I doubt it

[subtle pasture]

Oh the Gration, yeah that's a big hulking future potential,

[mighty light]

Didn't Zenos and Fandaniel commandeer it

[subtle pasture]

I was REALLY hoping it'd be a dungeon post-HW, with a frozen engine room

[drowsy belfry]

Wait shit did they

Oh god I think they did

[subtle pasture]

Oh wha, did the Gration get mentioned in 5.5

[mighty light]

I thought that was what they were flying around in; not sure if I'm remembering correctly

[drowsy belfry]

Either way, big blue airship wasn't used as a dungeon in HW and Hedge sad

[subtle pasture]

It's hard to tell when they recycle mechanical rooms, but the bridge of Zenos's ship looked the same as the one Asahi had, that was shot out over the Burn

which would likely be uhhhhh, Aurora-class

[drowsy belfry]

The Bridge in Zadnor looks the same as the first boss room in Praetorium

[subtle pasture]

Til said otherwise, I'm leavin' the Dalriada at Aurora-class as Noah's personal vessel,

if only someone had more lore about it, MARSAK.

[drowsy belfry]

Fuckin Marsak

[subtle pasture]

you had one job, Marsak

and it was carrying the #NotAllGarleans side of things

[drowsy belfry]

Also I say Varis' ship won't be relevant to the MSQ, they can always make up some shit post 6.0 that some stragglers hijacked it and you have to go deal with it

It's just SITTING THERE, RIPE FOR THE TAKING

[subtle pasture]

Marooned, would be the proper term for it, I think

[drowsy belfry]

True

[subtle pasture]

The engines are, seemingly, permanently stalled after Shiva's last Diamond Dust

[drowsy belfry]

😦

[obsidian pagoda]

Surely we can salvage a bunch of stuff from it to make us a moon-capable ship

[drowsy belfry]

Oh there you go, some weirdos use all the ice aether floating around to summon Shiva using the Ship and you have to go stop it

[subtle pasture]

But still, if we ever had a Gration dungeon,

and it had a frozen-over room section,
I'd never be able to clear it through my tears.

[drowsy belfry]

Everybody fucking dies inside

[subtle pasture]

Ysayle's final moments....

[drowsy belfry]

Mh speaking of primals, I'd like to get some lore on Rakshaksha

[subtle pasture]

EE3 will make it out to be some deity worshipped for safe travels through Ashfall, if I had to guess

[obsidian pagoda]

All I know is the word means "Giant" in sanskrit I think

[drowsy belfry]

Both Eden Ifrit and Garuda are made from the WoL's psyche, at what point did we learn about some deity of Fire and Wind

Even Ramuh Centaur made sense on that one

[subtle pasture]

By the nature of how primals work, Ashfall's ambient likely had fragments of Something™️, that contributed into Raktapaksa...

Like, just the part where he knew who he was

[drowsy belfry]

Oh yeah, that'd make sense

Man Norvrandt has some cool lore doesn't it

[subtle pasture]

I'll be a whore over EE3's Eden section just for every drop of lore for the locales used for the Heritors,

I hope, at least

[drowsy belfry]

One day

[subtle pasture]

...Or confirmation where the hell the Sphere of Naught was, the Bygone Gaol and Garden of Nowhere were inside Eden, Sphere of Naught is, vaguer

[drowsy belfry]

Sphere of Naught is CoD's orb no?

[subtle pasture]

Ye, and she could change it through the 3 phases/zones/whathaveyou

[drowsy belfry]

Huh, where the fuck was that in Norvrandt

[subtle pasture]

but also we're present inside it before she forms, but that's prob prodding gameplay vs story too much

[drowsy belfry]

Okay hear me out right, remember how Emet was like "ohhh strike me down here in the bright light I won't stand a chance"?

What if the Sphere of Naught was somewhere around down in the Tempest? maximum dark aether?

Well "dark" aether, you know what I mean

[subtle pasture]

Right, yeah, maybe.

--Also on Eden calling back to ever obscurer mechanics, Obscure Woods and Balm of Rejuvenation pulling out 4 Irminsul trunks

[drowsy belfry]

Don't remind me

Raflesia leaving some serious PTSD

[late bronze]

How many mettle are needed for all +10 in zadnor?

[subtle pasture]

300mil iirc?

600mil, sorry, it's 30 full caps of 20mil

[late bronze]

Thanks, seems a though grind

[drowsy belfry]

Not at all

[subtle pasture]

100 Dalriadas

--but yeah Zadnor mettle in general is so good it's much easier than it seems

it's why I get further bummed by previous relic steps making me go back to BSF, or worse, Delubrum

[late bronze]

20M every 90/120 minutes, 2700/3600 minutes for all XD

[drowsy belfry]

I need another 2 caps and I got all HP valors

then i just need to do heals and I'm DONE

[crude rover]

https://tenor.com/view/why-huh-but-why-gif-13199396

[balmy mesa]

trust me, you don't want to know

[drowsy belfry]

Achievements make my brain release good juice

[signal vault]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJG5WXyKaSM

can't find anything on PF

sadge

[drowsy belfry]

Also wanna point out something

After we like untemper 90% of Garlemald and shit, Beastmaster can totally be a Garlean taught job

Limited or no, there's a total story excuse for there to be like "oh yeah thanks for saving us from that crazy dude, we wanna hang out with you Eorzeans. So here's our art of Beast Mastering"

[viscid monolith]

But all of the Beast Masters are conscripts not from Garlemald

[drowsy belfry]

So they're still working for the Empire

They'll be tempered just being in Garlemald as far as we know so like

[languid breach]

I want Lyon as my job trainer. I just want more Lyon in general. He's cool.

[balmy mesa]

just admit it, you want him to be your daddy

[wary perch]

Lyon will be wanted by dalmasca though

[wind bough]

👀

[distant sonnet]

We already hang out with Ala Mhigans

They need to hook us up with some sweet sweet beast mastery

[somber storm]

Master the beast

Be the beast

Beat the beast

[drowsy belfry]

Listen I'm all down with this and everything BUT

As long as the leveling achievement is called "Welcome To The Jungle"

[somber storm]

Feed the beast

[drowsy belfry]

Hey how many proofs is it for a full set?

[distant sonnet]

Curious Gorge: Friendship ended with inner beast. Now outer beast is best friend.

[drowsy belfry]

The Beasts We Made Along The Way

https://blog.playstation.com/2021/06/07/final-fantasy-xiv-endwalker-producer-and-director-naoki-yoshida-qa/

Regarding the direction of the song itself, I conveyed to Soken that we wanted to represent Hydaelyn and Zodiark as having their own voice

The songs featured in each of the areas within the trailers are still in a sort of mock-up state. Soken allocated the songs to these areas based on his own inspiration, while making sure not to deviate too far from the overall image being portrayed. These may still be changed before they’re finalized for the game, or they could potentially be used as they debuted.

[distant sonnet]

Huh.

Good though because uh

The Labrynthos music is a physical assault

[rough kestrel]

It needs to be a savage raid theme with mechanics tied to the music

"Raid tier enters 4th week uncleared after all groups bowed out due to music"

[distant sonnet]

That shit would likely be the first zone in the game where I'd just turn my music off

[balmy mesa]

well, we could be doing a magical assault on that area, so it balances out I guess? /shrug

[drowsy belfry]

Did somebody say: 15/17

[open verge]

Your insane post it on Reddit for Max karma @drowsy belfry

[balmy mesa]

ah, with the super mario sunshine icons?

[drowsy belfry]

Yahoo

[open verge]

Labyrinthos music is so good wtf

[drowsy belfry]

Nah I'm not gonna post to Reddit just yet, waiting for when I finish all my remaining Zetas.

"Finally finish me pre-Endwalker Goals! All Relics Fully Finished!"

[open verge]

Nah man you gotta be first

Which relic is your favorite btw

[drowsy belfry]

Fine fine, when i finish the last weapon I'll post an image to the reddit "Farewell to Bozja: Got all 17 Relics"

Uh so far? I kinda fuck with MCH and BRD the most

[crystal arrow]

after that you’re gonna get all the resplendents right hedge

[royal scroll]

Perfect I know which post to remove immediately

[drowsy belfry]

I'm almost there

[open verge]

I like bard just hate the colors

[drowsy belfry]

YOU CAN'T SILENCE ME, I will get my updoots to the left

[open verge]

Whyyyy greeeeen

I’m gonna mod it to orange or some shit man it’s so annoying

[drowsy belfry]

Anyway my relic adventures don't end with Blade's anyway

I got so many more to do

[open verge]

I’m stuck on some relic step on hw

I think you got to like feed anima or something I have no idea how your supposed to do it

[signal vault]

zeta or Eureka ?

[drowsy belfry]

Zeta

I got all my Eurekan Weapons ages ago while waiting for 5.1

[signal vault]

[pastel coyote]

That's the new tier of difficulty

[placid sail]

labyrinthos music sounds like penis music

[eager fox]

Which book? I'm halfway and dying lol

[gaunt star]

i like the finished bard relic when you dye it white

[drowsy belfry]

That's just the first book of WHM

[eager fox]

Oh joy, good luck!

[spiral wagon]

[balmy mesa]

finished Dalriada

that last boss

it was fun, but oh my god it was messy

the bozjan national dance is /squat

[signal vault]

Russian confirmed

[balmy mesa]

explains why the hrothgar are so thicc, that's for sure

final boss theme is a real banger

definitely gonna see fran again in Dalmasca

6.0 stuff?

[rough kestrel]

Man I'd love the ability to have a zadnor instance all to myself

Just to see that scaling shit

[balmy mesa]

this makes for a nice wallpaper:

[kindred rampart]

I knew something was missing from this finale and in comes his drunk ass

[main patio]

Where do you get pure essences in bozja content

[next quarry]

DR/DRS

[pine epoch]

You can also buy em with clusters

[slate ridge]

Are people extremely furious at fourchenault

Or people think there’s something weird about what happene

[compact marlin]

both, yo ucan be both pissed af at him aswell as thinking its sus 😉

[bold condor]

I just don't like that people seem to have extrapolated Fourchenault to equate to all Sharlayans.

Which is weird because he's actually the second Sharlayan we've met who isn't nice or supportive to us off the bat, but aiight.

[pine epoch]

probably like a domino effect, The villain from HW astro quest starting this effect

Fourchenault being the next Domino.

And then people start spreading misconceptions, or misinterpreting stuff, leading to people becoming angry at their entire country.

[compact marlin]

oh im specifically pissed at him more for personal reasons involving dads disowning their kids, less so about sharlayan

[heady shadow]

pople might be also missing the point of why he;s doing it to begin with.
everyone would feel stupid if we end up staying at their house anyway while their mom acts like nothing happened probs

[compact marlin]

once we get to that point, ill see it wit ha diffrent light, but like, hes quite literally doing waht my own dad said he would do to me if did anything tht he disaproved of

so until proven otherwise, he is a not great person

[heady shadow]

which would be exactly what thw riters would want, you to be pissed now then feel like shit later

we still have the main writer from shb for ew soooo

[distant sonnet]

Ehh. I mean not that I'm cool with what he did on the surface, but I'm still about 50/50 on him having justifiable reasons and am eager to know more.

[sour perch]

moreso equating the forum/governing body to it

[heady shadow]

its p0ossible a lot of people have the idea he's the leader/head honcho of the forum?

[distant sonnet]

It feels like.. he acts very differently even from the beginning of the coversation to the end of it. Disowning them when he has previously been established to be onboard with someones right to make their own decisions and all that... feels like its extreme. And that extremity has about a dozen tropey reasons it could be in play.

[bold condor]

He is the speaker of the Forum, but like.

You know, like, people seem ready to hate Sharlayan harder than Ishgard, a nation that voluntarily threw people off cliffs, and Eulmore, a nation that fed people to people.

[distant sonnet]

Yyyyeah.

[bold condor]

Most people are more civil when talking about Garleans.

[distant sonnet]

For basically going "Nah I'm good" when we don't even know anything concrete that they'd deliver to the war effort

[sour perch]

also probably internal conspiracies like Labyrinthos

[bold condor]

Imagine if they had said yes and the caveat was like "but the forbidden section stays forbidden."

Like, the fuck would have changed? Slightly better magic?

[distant sonnet]

Meanwhile Ishgard still treats some people like shit in the 60-70 quests that touch back there, no?

[bold condor]

Yeah, they kind of do...

[distant sonnet]

Machinists have a bad time basically always.

[bold condor]

Honestly, it's literally just because it's Alphinaud and Alisaie.

[distant sonnet]

Right.

[bold condor]

Which, you know, understandable.

[signal vault]

He's the thrid

Matoya is also a sharlayan

[bold condor]

Matoya is crabby but she's not mean to us. Although I did forget Sevestre.

[drowsy belfry]

If they said yes we'd be using Ruingun instead of Ruin IV now

[distant sonnet]

Matoya isn't nice or supportive to anyone on the surface.

[signal vault]

Ah you mean ignorance sharlayan

[distant sonnet]

But helps us basically immediately.

[signal vault]

They quit their whole country and went back

Garlic empire invaded and they be like "Imma yeet"

[sour perch]

people are most definitely just biased towards Garleans and Ishgardians
Ishgardians are still mostly terrible to one another in many sidequests
Garleans still commit various atrocities

i blame the scions allying with particularly attractive men of both nationalities for it

[pine epoch]

New interview from some spanish news site confirmed my suspicion about New Jobs. "When it comes to creating new jobs, whenever we implement multiple jobs, one of them will always be some type of DPS"

[distant sonnet]

Makes sense. Easiest.

[pine epoch]

https://culturageek.com.ar/naoki-yoshida-director-de-final-fantasy-xiv-como-planeamos-la-direccion-general-ritmo-y-distribucion-de-ffxiv-de-a-un-par-de-anos-a-la-vez-es-importante-escuchar-la-voz-de-todos-ustedes/

[signal vault]

People are horny for Ser Aymeric

[pine epoch]

The source. At the bottom they have english translations.

[sour perch]

gaius too

[signal vault]

and him too

[pulsar current]

people are horny

[signal vault]

Trueeeeeeeeeeeee

We need more Waifu. Why can I name so many dudes but like 1+2 girls ?

[sour perch]

we have

[signal vault]

Why is all the girl waifu of some mentors

[sour perch]

like 9

[bold condor]

I think we also have a tendency to respect people who commit acts of violence.

Just an observation but a lot of hate on Sharlayan seems to be the perception of them as anti-war, not just that they're unhelpful in the literal end of the world.

[signal vault]

I mean they want to act neutral. But they don't give out their reason to why they want to be like that. Even if the world is going to die

[clever flume]

also what most people enjoy generally.

tanks and healers, even if they're interesting/fun are usually not the most played roles in general

[distant sonnet]

Sharlayan refusing to help would matter a lot more if we wanted something specific from them that they're denying.

But its just.. general aid? Do we really care if Hien gets a friend for the Sits There Silently In Meetings club?

[bold condor]

I mean, yeah, that too. With Ishgard we specifically needed their military might to oppose the Empire.

[signal vault]

The world is going to get burnt, many people are going to die. But we are going to ignore it and act like it never happens.

That's how Sharlayan sounds like

[distant sonnet]

So? They're a bunch of nerds off on an island, who cares?

[bold condor]

tbf their public stance is more "it's fake news" rather than "we're ignoring this."

[distant sonnet]

Yes they could probably do something but its very nebulous right now.

[signal vault]

They sound like Sweden going afk in ww2

[bold condor]

That is actually the parallel they were making when writing them, sort of. It's not 1:1, and thank god for that.

[pine epoch]

People can also be very petty or bloodthirsty or hold grudges, All it takes is for 1 or 2 people to fuck someone over and all of a sudden these people will effectively hound them till the end of time.

[bold condor]

The Ala Mhigo problem. Down to a T, in fact.

[drowsy belfry]

See: Lalafell

[bold condor]

By having all of the good Sharlayans be from groups that left Sharlayan or have issues with its government, you create the same situation as having all good Ala Mhigans before Stormblood be people who separated themselves from Ala Mhigo.

And obviously most of the Ala Mhigans we met had problems that aren't really simple enough to call "good/bad" but that's how people read it.

[signal vault]

Sharlayans know something and don't want to go to war because they know that thing. But they ain't sharing and hope everyone does the same thing when Garlean empire invading. I mean the Allies try to reason with the Empire in Stormblood. They can't say that the twins always want war.

[bold condor]

Fourchenault really didn't give them a chance to explain, which is odd considering he's usually been quite happy to debate. For days on end.

[signal vault]

The allies tried to parley with the damn emperor. what more do you want Fourchenault

[bold condor]

The man was literally like a #archived-lore-spoilers argument with Louisoix for ten years.

And yeah, granted, he couldn't disown his own dad, but he was in a position where he could've pushed against the Circle of Knowing.

[signal vault]

We stand watch because we don't want violence. We hope all of you do the same. Meanwhile they hide on far away island and not being oppressed by the Garlic Empire.

[bold condor]

But he just... chose not to. Even as they went to Eorzea and spent a decade finding people who'd help them try to stop the Calamity.

[signal vault]

Oh ye sure. Just watch the Empire enslaves us then

[bold condor]

Even when his own kids decided to go to Eorzea five years later.

Shit just keep not adding up.

[gaunt star]

u guys hear the news btw?

[bold condor]

Fourchenault sus af.

[signal vault]

Fourchenault sus

[gaunt star]

japan had a world first this morningfor ealad skanad catch

[signal vault]

White sus

[gaunt star]

and later they had 2 fails on cinder.

I wonder if they'll feel anything when the whole world is just a sort-of zombie wasteland of tempered roaming a post-apocalyptic world?

we are in the race now for first to get big fish title

[bold condor]

Safe in their bunker? The Forum, that is.

The citizens will probably be like "holy shit, is it really okay to just let the rest of the fucking world die?"

[gaunt star]

Nothing but the Sharlayans in a world no better than The Void.

[signal vault]

Sharlayan is sus tbh. They know something that is big and can change the whole story

Ghara sees it in the trailer. The stars hold some secret

[kindred rampart]

once the twins mother hears they're coming home there could be a good chance we won't have to worry about their father having a say
moments before they arrive
https://i.imgur.com/RqhTwQJ.gif

[gaunt star]

Who the fuck is Ghara?

[signal vault]

Cat boi i forgot how to spell his name

[gaunt star]

Four-I-am-now-single-nault.

[signal vault]

Names aren't my specialty

[heady shadow]

orrrr..... she just expains whats going on lol.

[signal vault]

But ye, Sharlayans know something

[gaunt star]

After Fourchenault gets neutered, preferably :D

[signal vault]

That's why they stay neutral

[gaunt star]

sharlayans basially just gonna pull a gondor then

actually not gondor.i mean river run

[heady shadow]

I get some people dont like what he did, but I'm gonna keep lore/speculation instead of going on and on about being pissed at him, doesnt bring anything to the convo

[gaunt star]

Still gonna steal his wife. Also, I'd talk lore but this isn't lore-spoilers.

[signal vault]

What could they know that would make them want to stay idle tho ?

[bold condor]

Being honest, I'm assuming their mother is smart and her relationship with Fourchenault is probably stable.

[signal vault]

What did the stars tell them. Iirc didn't Astrologian start in Sharlayan ?

[bold condor]

So I don't think he blindsided her with the disowning of their kids.

[viscid monolith]

That's what I'm saying

[bold condor]

She probably knew that was happening before he got on the boat.

[viscid monolith]

I'm sure she knows the type of person her own husband is, and they've been raised in the same culture.

[heady shadow]

this is lore spoilers 2.

[kindred rampart]

"Sharlayan won't get involved!" wink wink
"I am disowning you!" wink wink wink
"Do whatever you want with your lives!" wink wink wink wink
https://i.imgur.com/q1atH9v.gif
"0 out of 10 performance. Didn't even believe it for a second!"

[gaunt star]

And if that turns out false, another man my Lalafell is neutering.
Anyway, Sharlayan Astrology did indeed start there, while Ishgard has their own version of it just for watching the Dragonstar.

[bold condor]

Fun fact, the man who codified the Astral/Umbral Era terminology is also the man who created astromancy.

[signal vault]

So their Astrology guild probably see something big

[bold condor]

The sage (not the job) Lewphon

You know Lewphon lived literally 1500 years ago. Shot in the dark, they've gotten better at astromancy, foretelling future events, and divining the movements and nature of the planet, stars, and moon since then.

[stiff charm]

npcs stop hitting on gerolt challenge (ultimate)

[bold condor]

Who knows what kind of things you could discover with astromancy?

[signal vault]

Idk, i dont have ast lvl 80

[distant sonnet]

Yeah. Thats the thing, right? All the shit 4chanalt gets and there are like, a shitload of tropey reasons for him to disown them publicly.

Maybe he is in danger and his family, by extension. Doing this removes them as leverage and keeps them safe.

Maybe hes Cagnazzo.

I think more likely the first one, but.

[bold condor]

"Huh, that's weird, it's almost like there's seven planets here." - Astrologian

[stiff charm]

both

[signal vault]

I wonder what could be so big that they are intentionally ignoring everything outside their island

[bold condor]

Not dying in the Final Days is probably part of it.

[distant sonnet]

Some civilizations do be like that tho

Isolationists exist.

Not ignoring, though. They gather knowledge, they train people who come there from outside. They just really, really don't approve of war for any reason.

[signal vault]

I don't think they know about G'raha

[stiff charm]

turning in all the one-time relic quests and watching these representatives flirt with gerolt meanwhile my cats in the corner like cmon man i did all this work

[bold condor]

inb4 they blame all the world's woes on the start of the first war - the war between Zodiark and Hydaelyn - and thus do not approve of ANY war.

[heady shadow]

what would be funny.

[viscid monolith]

What a bunch of stuck up twats

[signal vault]

They gonna a slap so big for that from Azem

[gaunt star]

I was gonna comment on WW2, but lets face it, I highly doubt Sharlayan has the balls to even understand that the whole world- even them- is fucked.

[heady shadow]

is if their dad ends up being there to take us to sharlayan and gives alphinaud the sage equipment

[bold condor]

Azem didn't approve of or join that war, either.

[signal vault]

But Zodiark first came because of a world ending event

[bold condor]

Yep. So just don't summon a primal 5head.

[distant sonnet]

Yyyeah. If anything, Azem approves of sitting out conflicts sometimes.

[bold condor]

Knowing it's coming in advance would probably make them more confident about surviving it.

[heady shadow]

goes and summons ifrita to save the grapes

[drowsy belfry]

They got a giant biodome underground with multiple biomes, they totally surived the 8th Calamity

[signal vault]

Haedalyn was just the only solution to not sacrifice like a gazillion people to Zodiark again.

[distant sonnet]

Biodome doesn't help if the magicgas got in somehow.

[gaunt star]

May I ask something dumb?

[bold condor]

"Maybe we shouldn't put all our eggs into the Zodiark basket. What if the Final Days happens again? Also why are we sacrificing life to bring people back now?"

"Shut up, Venat." - signed, Convocation.