retired-patch-6-3-discussion

[stiff charm]

i love e8s 7 double akh morns into morn afah
never done that fight but its so fucking cool

akh morn/morn afah is such a "you die now" move

just a big fuck off laser

[soft gyro]

so many morn afah copies are used in this expansion

[torpid yoke]

Which one was morn afah again

[stiff charm]

bigger akh morn but it happens once

https://youtu.be/VDInUPZEGfY?t=21 0:22

[soft gyro]

wait, don't we still have vrythra

that means, they are gonna morn afah the enemies

[stiff charm]

vritra? thats estiniens draggo not ours hes protective

[severe brook]

Ryne will become a Holy Dragoon after the First undergoes a timeskip

[steel glade]

too big of a mount ?

[stiff charm]

actually fuck getting hraes wings, give us mini hraesvelgr like e8s as a 90 transformation during love of the dragon

[steel glade]

also why is team ninja trying to do nioh 3 : final fantasy

[stiff charm]

because its cool

[severe brook]

team ninja is what

[steel glade]

i’m not saying it isn’t but they have work to do

[severe brook]

ah i see

...well i liked Hellblade

[steel glade]

nioh 2 had infinite problems and yeah they hinted at ffxiv a bit in nioh 2 but i need to see more before i get hyped

[stiff charm]

never played any of these except the first nioh and i was shit at it so i quit but i trust them to make a ff soulslike

[severe brook]

wait Hellblade was team cherry ninja theory

[stiff charm]

no hollow knight is team cherry lol

hellblade is ninja theory yes

[severe brook]

the names are all blending together

[stiff charm]

good games all blend together

[severe brook]

DMC dmc wasn't a good game

[steel glade]

the problem with team ninja is they are trash at end game content and grind . i just don’t want them to make ff game based heavily inspired off of xiv and have a bad endgame

[stiff charm]

hellblade was though

[severe brook]

well okay to be honest it was a passable game but it wasn't a good Devil May Cry game or story on its own

[elder moth]

It's supposedly FF1 based rather than XIV

[stiff charm]

watch there be a "mankinds final hope" meme

[steel glade]

i know, the only reason i said inspired was because of the xiv teases in nioh 2.

[stiff charm]

wait there were xiv references in nioh 2? where

[elder moth]

Yoshida's appearance was in it, but I think that's it. They had a character creation contest, and after getting his permission they allowed

[severe brook]

so probably close the idea of a high fantasy setting with distinct regions each having their own problems, tying into a greater threat

and yeah Yoshi-P is one of the default character options in Nioh 2

[steel glade]

i can almost taste that games mechanics and end game already.

no no no you guys have it all wrong. i knew nothing of the yoshi p character.

[severe brook]

i could've sworn that was it, lemme check

[dim sigil]

I am stupid hype for that Rumours Final Fantasy game and I am going to be so sad when it's revealed to be fake

[stiff charm]

we all have elden ring to look forward to anyway. 5 DAYS

[dim sigil]

If it is real though it sucks it got leaked that would have been an amazing reveal

[steel glade]

in the final difficulty of the game titled dream of the nioh, there are these things called graces which are Basically set bonuses. I forgot the names of them but there were two that were ripped straight from 14. One of them gave the skill walking dead which would give your character a second chance at life but they have to do a certain amount of damage to heal themselves before they are killed. dark knight. The second had you stack five different balls of energy and spend them on a super move. The balls of energy were related to your special abilities which for face value we’re critical attacks sometimes. this comes straight from monk because of their chakra and ability to constantly get them especially in shadow bringers.

[severe brook]

OOOOOOOHHHH ELDEN RIIIIINNG

[drowsy belfry]

Don't,

[stiff charm]

tell me you dont see it

[drowsy belfry]

I'm not strong enough.

[dim sigil]

Honestly I still don't know what Elden ring is that I don't know if I want to

[stiff charm]

LOOK UP AT THE SKY

IT BURNS

[severe brook]

"Don't do it. Don't give me hope."

[dim sigil]

I feel free not being trapped in the high for another game that I am desperately waiting for information for I already have enough of those

[severe brook]

Fantasy RPG from the makers of Dark Souls with George R.R. Martin helping the worldbuilding and writing

got announced years ago and there has proceeded to be no official news

[stiff charm]

its just the next game from from software, devs of soulsborne games, that they say is their most ambitious and biggest game yet. it got revealed at e3 2019 with a poggers teaser and has had basically no official information since. summer game fest 2021 and e3 2021 are looking like sure bets to get our humanity restored

[severe brook]

the sole sign we have that it's not cancelled is a supposedly leaked gameplay test video

[stiff charm]

yeah it was an internal trailer for investors

[rain onyx]

laughs in TES6 still having absolutely no new info since the teaser

[steel glade]

yeah that’s all i care about

[dim sigil]

Breath of the wild 2 is really the only game I'm currently looking forward to

[stiff charm]

there will be no tes6 or starfield at e3

botw 2 will probably be there though, at least i hope so

[dim sigil]

There is smt5 but I'm fine getting that way after lunch

[rain onyx]

Nearly 3 whole years with nothing new at all

[severe brook]

more Endwalker info comes at e3

[stiff charm]

xvi maybe, endwalker i doubt

[dim sigil]

Actually I don't expect and Walker at the E3

[severe brook]

Asura announced as the new trial

[dim sigil]

Normally there would be but the whole schedule is delayed

[drowsy belfry]

Me waiting on Metroid Prime 4 and Bayonetta 3 news

[severe brook]

yeah i'm being sarcastic, thus the strikethrough. XVI info is much more likely

[steel glade]

nothing ffxiv related will be at e3

[rain onyx]

[woven escarp]

wonder if microsoft is going to kick bethesda in the ass to actually finish TES6 now

[severe brook]

"Look at this guy, he thinks there'll be a Bayonetta Thr—" Breaks down sobbing

[woven escarp]

"ok, listen guys, you can't fuck around for six years doing nothing anymore, we need games for MSGS to promote"

[gaunt star]

If George R.R. Martin is helping them with it it then it'll take at least 20 years for them to finished writing the first act of the game

[severe brook]

Metal Solid Gear Solid

[dim sigil]

2

[steel glade]

i just wanna see the job action video

[stiff charm]

no he just did the world and initial lore basics. hes been done with his part for years now

[dim sigil]

I would like the rumored Metal Gear remakes to be real

[stiff charm]

you really think konami would make a good decision?

[severe brook]

you really think Konami would do a good job with a good decision?

[woven escarp]

let other studios develop MGS games REEE

[gaunt star]

I want a Revengence Remaster for newer consoles ;w;

[stiff charm]

[dim sigil]

I will take the HD Collection port on PS4 though please

[steel glade]

mgs:v is in conversation with tlou 2 and god of war ps4 when talking about the greatest action games ever

[woven escarp]

not kojima though because lmao

[severe brook]

GIVE US RISING 2

[drowsy belfry]

Honestly I'd just like Metroid in any capacity

[stiff charm]

it is both worthless to them and they dont give a single shit about it, but also a valued ip they can squeeze profit out of

[severe brook]

TENCENT OWNS PLATINUM I'M ALREADY DEAD INSIDE

[dim sigil]

Federation Force 2

[steel glade]

i want the original revengence engine to be used and released as it should have

[severe brook]

another finger on the monkey's paw curls

[drowsy belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/spray-stop-afraid-gif-15434836

[woven escarp]

it really isn't even being used, last I heard konami was a shell corp that was bought out by some pachinko company

they're not in charge of anything right now

[stiff charm]

nah they are just the pachinko company

[steel glade]

my bad, rising *^^

[severe brook]

PULL THE LEVER

[steel glade]

but make rising the original

[woven escarp]

I thought they got 100% acquired by someone else and all the management got yeeted, they don't actually make anything anymore

[dim sigil]

Konami I believe is a huge company in video games is just one small part of it they're kind of like Sony I think TVs and stuff

[gaunt star]

Rising is still the best game with sword play I've ever experienced

[woven escarp]

it was a full IP acquisition for the pachinko company

[stiff charm]

oh god what?? thats actually tragic holy shit

[severe brook]

https://youtu.be/Ffqre27h_0c

[steel glade]

it could have been even better if they realeased it as intended

[dim sigil]

Skyward Sword

[woven escarp]

yeah, I'm pretty sure that's why there's no konami video games anymore, they were 100% bought out by some gambling company and the parent company only wanted the IP for themeing their pachinko machines

[dim sigil]

I mean that almost un ironically

[stiff charm]

that and furi have the best sword based combat in any video game hands down
soulsborne games close behind, also dmc
probably rising=furi>>>>>dmc>>>souls

[steel glade]

https://youtu.be/okQv5zSSfOk

i cry every time i watch it

[woven escarp]

I'm still a bit surprised that video game companies haven't started a separate "we don't care about this IP but we don't want to let it go, so we'll license it for a fee" system

like there are people dying for new silent hill games and I'm sure there are studios that would love to make one

[severe brook]

you think they'd willingly let go of their hoards, even at a lease?

[dim sigil]

I feel like there is I believe the word would be caveats to a system like that

Giving out their ip rights like that

[woven escarp]

you release the project for a flat fee, and then the license is a royalty % of profits beyond a certain threshold

like, it's literally free money for an IP holder that doesn't use their IP for anything

I'd also like to point out that this is functionally the original licensing model for unreal engine and cryengine

[severe brook]

i understand it's rational, and would be the best for them
but i am asking, do you think they'd do what's smart?

[woven escarp]

it's structured like any other contract, it's a limited use of the property constrained by the scope of the single project completion to end, not a transfer of IP ownership

[woven escarp]

yeah, because it's all profit and that's what smart executives do when they have to answer to shareholders

opening novel revenue streams is how you get those $50M performance bonuses every quarter

[stiff charm]

"a sequel seems likely! "

kojima never being allowed to touch metal gear again because the all-powerful corporate hand of konami pushed him away

[woven escarp]

nah, kojima left because they asked him to work on ANOTHER MGS title when he wanted to do policenauts

and I think he knew about the konami acquisition so he was like "fuck it I'm outtie"

[steel glade]

we have to do something about these elites and elite corps mannn

[dim sigil]

Oh mgsV the way you turned out hurt me so

[stiff charm]

shhhh we cant do politics in here

[woven escarp]

MGS survive

[odd yoke]

https://youtu.be/T-HhUCXqRhI

Big numbers make brain happy

[dim sigil]

Not going to lie I think that would be a maybe fun spin off more so if mgsv went off well, i don't like it though because it requires online I say that even though I play an MMO I don't know something about survive at me leaves a bad taste

[woven escarp]

the thing with survive is that MGS:O has always sucked and survive is just MGS:O with some survival mechanics

[torpid yoke]

It's not even metal gear solid. It's just metal gear survive

[stiff charm]

stealth is a vital part of metal gear online for all players

[signal vault]

I cant sleep

I slept for 2 hours and can only dreamt about bozjan

[torpid yoke]

You have a problem then

[signal vault]

I do

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/437243#threads/437243/?page=7

There seem to be a lot of people share the same opinion as me. I hope they actually listen and have a pity exchange system or something.

[steel glade]

did you chads catch yoshi p comparing hallow ichigo to reaper in his latest interviews ?

[signal vault]

I might well just give up and enjoy the game

Grinding classes or do relic

And hope they change the drop rate

[torpid yoke]

Yea if it's affecting your mental state

If you really want the note just cheese the fight

[signal vault]

I cheese but choked with lagg

The fate has an absurdly low spawn rate + drop rate. Waiting time is like 1 hours if you don't jump instance

Then there's doing the CE perfectly to get a chance to compete.

Repeat that like 4 times just for 1 duel

[torpid yoke]

The area 3 Fate with him? You have to force spawn that

[rain onyx]

I doubt they’ll mess with Lyon and Dabog much since they come from duels

But Dyunbu is pain

[signal vault]

I have gotten 5 dyunbu by now. Im after Sartauvoir

[torpid yoke]

Metal fox chaos is easy

[signal vault]

Fuck it I'm just going to wait for September and get the car

Me and my homies hate the bike now

[rain onyx]

I need the bike to break my lalafellin shoulders

[pine epoch]

I just realized I called Gilbrisbert Gilderstein earlier today.

Gilderstein is the villain of Vagrant Story.

[pulsar current]

who the fuck is glibrisbert

[torpid yoke]

Puppet master dude

[pine epoch]

Cult Leader

[pulsar current]

from where?

[pine epoch]

Zadnor. hes a member of the 4th legion.

[pulsar current]

ah ok

im fuckin dumb

[pine epoch]

He researches the Auracite. Gilbrisbert would trick people into giving up their souls to the auracite to give him test subjects. Because there is a Cult dedicated to Ultima where they believe if you give up your soul to the auracite you go to heaven.

His unit in the 4th legion is called the Zealots.

[drowsy belfry]

12/17

[torpid yoke]

I.e he's the reason belias hashmal and famfrit are in zadnor

[pine epoch]

Shemhazai as well

[eager glen]

Guys can someone help me out with a question? when i buy costume from mog store, i can use it only in one armor piece?

like, if i change my set the transmog will desapear?

[pine epoch]

also apparently the law order armor is worn by some of the 4th legion members

specifically Fabineau Quo Soranus

[torpid yoke]

Your whole armor set will change yes

[hexed mango]

Any relation to Julia quo Soranus?

[brisk quail]

Can you like... go outside. Touch some grass?

[rain onyx]

FFXIV has touchable grass

[brisk quail]

FFXIV Exclusive: Touchable grass

[clever flume]

hedge doesnt know what grass is :^)

[dim sigil]

The dr step is the worst part

[torpid yoke]

His clone goes outside to touch grass for him

[hexed mango]

It wouldn't be that bad if I had friends willing to play POTD with me

I wanted to kill 2 birds with one stone

But nobody likes playing POTD and it sucks

[torpid yoke]

DR also kills 2 birds with 1 stone

[hexed mango]

No it doesn't. Because I got all the Law's Order sets I wanted.

The rest look bad tbh so I got no incentive to keep farming it over and over besides getting time worn relics.

[torpid yoke]

DR drops raw emotions and time worn. 2 birds 1 stone

[severe brook]

you know this whole time i thought he was a devout follower of the Ultima Cult, but him just being a researcher taking advantage of it does make a lot more sense

[hexed mango]

Wait it does?

[kindred meteor]

yes

[dim sigil]

Im doing drg and whm then im done

[kindred meteor]

1 timeworn and 2 raw emotions per run

[hexed mango]

Tho tbh you have to have the quest to recieve raw emotions

[kindred meteor]

so long as you have both quests active

[dim sigil]

It should be 2 or 3 timeworn please

[torpid yoke]

Well duh that's the case for all the steps

[hexed mango]

So im in a position where I completed my Paladin relic and every other relic is like... still on the first step lol

[torpid yoke]

When it's less relevant they'll buff it a bit

[hexed mango]

Even if I did Delebrum once a day that's still 15 days. Two weeks.

[torpid yoke]

You got 6 months till EW

[hexed mango]

True.

I could be overgeared even for EW lol

[torpid yoke]

Plus why would you only do 1 Dr a day

[hexed mango]

Because I dont hate myself lol

I did it like 6 times in one day and was drained by the end.

[torpid yoke]

Just set up a pre-made

[hexed mango]

Its a chore to play. I played it so much that it isn't fun anymore.

[torpid yoke]

Essence and actions required

[hexed mango]

I might try that.

I ran with a group that burned through the raid.

[torpid yoke]

Shit should only take like 15 minutes

[hexed mango]

It takes way longer with matchmaking

Randos STILL can't do mechanics

[torpid yoke]

Yea because ppl don't be using actions and essences

And can't do mechanics

[dim sigil]

It's just luck if you get a good group or not
sometimes we even kill the temperature boss before she even does the second arrows sometimes the boss goes on four five times longer than it should

[devout musk]

I’ve had multiple runs where the 2nd top dps is 12k

I just quit at the first boss and ease my suffering

[hexed mango]

I'm not the type of guy to use parsing tools and bully people for shitty dps but like

Ppl dont play smart.

The boss goes down much quicker when you don't take stacks and raise debuffs

And yeah using Essences is good.

[kindred meteor]

If Seeker takes longer then 11m I def contemplate leaving

being honest

[hexed mango]

For me the longest fight is usually the queen's guard.

The 4 bosses. People seem to slip on banana peels for thst fight.

[devout musk]

if trinity takes longer than 7mins i leave

[kindred meteor]

there's 2 Trinitys, but I assume you mean bird man

[hexed mango]

Actually now that I think about it Delebrum is LONG

That takes way too long to beat for me.

[devout musk]

seeker

[hexed mango]

Avowed sucks

[devout musk]

if im at avowed already i'll just finish it

[dim sigil]

I hate the bombs one just taking control away from me for that little moment just feels annoying

[devout musk]

i cry inside for the 1st baleful blade

[bright mango]

POTD for Timeworn is worth it if you are doing POTD for other reasons;

I have completed 5 Relics thus far, 3 were done via DR (45 runs), the other 30 Timeworns i chanced Random drops from floors 51-100. I did so because of several reasons; 60 Allegory per run (100 for floor 100) ment i could keep buying Rain Tokens and getting Augmented 520 gear for my Alt Jobs, and getting the weekly tome capped for the week whilst i was at it. But, one of my missions is to get all the Padjali weapons, so everytime i got above 90/90 Aetherpool i would trade for 3 tokens and repeat, i now own all Padjali weapons and have 99/95 to trade for tokens for Reaper/Sage weapons in 6.0.

Tbh they should up Timeworn Tokens to 2 or maybe even 3 per DR run, or add them onto the weekly DR quest.

[stiff charm]

add 5 to weekly would be so good. reminds me of the leveling roulette or 50/60/70 option for that one anima quest

[bright mango]

@stiff charm Singing Clusters i think, yeah, you could get a massive load of them by doing Daily Leveling three times

[stiff charm]

yeah it was singing clusters

AAAA GNB SOON

[bright mango]

The weekly DR quest is great for three Gold Coins, but the 12k Mettle at R25 is just underwhelming @stiff charm

[stiff charm]

true

[dim sigil]

600k for clearing is lame to

[torpid yoke]

Zadnor is for farming mettle

[rain onyx]

The CLL+Dal weekly should give a lot more mettle

Like 5m

600k is just barely more than two Z3 skirmishes

[torpid yoke]

You essentially make 5 mil by doing cll and dalraida and turning in the quest

[stable island]

DR is still useful when you are farming relics.

[swift rune]

Red is Bozja, Green is Orbonne, Yellow is Rabanastre. Anyone has any idea where Ridorana is?

wiki says valnard sea, is is the one below valnain, or between Thavnair and Dalmasca

[stiff charm]

!faq worldmap

[lusty shadow]

Hydaelyn world map translated by Rommy 🌎

Image URL: https://i.imgur.com/JTbvskE.jpg

[stiff charm]

assumed to be here

at least thats what ive heard, but idk

[swift rune]

makes sense

[languid breach]

Wow these raids are all over the place

[past star]

i gotta say, i love that everyone has collectively decided that Dulia-Chai is going to beat Forchenault's ass

[gaunt star]

4 PotDs 2 timeworn artifacts

[gaunt star]

It's funnier than Chai-Nuzz coming in with a fucking shotgun and shooting Forch-I-am-now-single between the legs.

[swift rune]

yeah Ivalice has a lot of areas, especially considering we probably would never visit them as actual zones

they're basically just setup for raids, relics, maybe trials in the future

[hexed mango]

It would never happen because it requires so many quests to be completed

But it would be cool if the people of the first like... found a way to cross the rift and aid us in the Source.

Like their world was on the brink of destruction and we saved it, now they want tor return the favor sort of thing.

[past star]

i can't see him being that aggro but that is funny, not as funny as the thought of Dulia suplexing the giraffe

[gaunt star]

Everyone has a berserk button. We just haven't discovered his yet.

[past star]

i could see it being a Side Story quest or something

[hexed mango]

Get Lyna as a Trust again

[past star]

true true. but i also feel like he doesn't see Alphy as "precious boy"

[hexed mango]

Theres so many characters on the first we probably won't ever see again

[past star]

yeah, that's my one real quibble with post 5.3

[gaunt star]

Everytime I visit him in Eulmore just proves that somewhat otherwise. Hels, I'll even give him the gun myself.

[past star]

i must speak with him more. though i guess Alphy did free him from Vauthry and helped him get his shit together

i wanna see Chai-Nuzz go sicko mode

[subtle pasture]

yeah thereabouts... the dimensions of the Cataract get confusing due to the extraplanar fissure it now pours into, etc, etc

theoretically it woulda just been another part of the sea before that tear, esp given the "Lighthouse" is no mere lighthouse

[chilly bluff]

Chai-Alphinaud?

[past star]

yes

[languid breach]

I 100% support Chai-Alphinaud, although Ameliance would likely have some words about that

She definitely kicks 4ChanAlt's ass when he gets home and tells her he disowned their two children over politics

[forest magnet]

Someone mentioned me?

[languid breach]

I don't know, have you recently disowned a pair of twins because they disagreed with your political stance

[forest magnet]

She definitely kicks 4ChanAlt's ass when he gets home and tells her he disowned their two children over politics raising their voice

[languid breach]

His reasoning tho
"I allowed you guys to go to this primitive, warmongering place that doesn't have one decent library so that you'd learn manners"

[viscid monolith]

I would very much like it if the mom is just as awful as the dad just to blow people's minds. The caring mom/shitty dad trope is kinda cancerous.

[languid breach]

Ameliance did answer all their letters and is allegedly worried about them

[forest magnet]

"allegedly"

[woven escarp]

wasn't it to teach them that the world is a shitty place and that sharlayan is the Superior Culture

[forest magnet]

what if he's lying about Ameliance and she's been dead for quite some time now wouldn't that be quite the shock.

[languid breach]

Also even if she was awful, his husband disowned their children with zero input from her. That'd fly anyone off the rails.

[viscid monolith]

Not if they share the same politics

[woven escarp]

that's one of those "oh, she'd definitely be upset" as a third party observer

but someone who's deep in the kool aid would be like "they broke the rules, what can you do?"

[forest magnet]

Sharlayan has always been defined by its rules

[woven escarp]

aggressive non-interference

[forest magnet]

It's what allowed them to survive for so long

[languid breach]

Fourchenault: You'll see how Eorzea sucks when you go there
Twins after going to Eorzea: Actually Sharlayan sucks
Fourchenault:

[woven escarp]

the only thing that sharlayan really has to offer the alliance is their giant library of shit

and the gubal is arguably good enough since nobody could reasonably read that in two or fifty lifetimes

[viscid monolith]

Sharlayan also has an army of some of the most skilled mages on the planet.

[woven escarp]

because of their books

[forest magnet]

Fortunately the key to said library is kept by someone who also dislikes Sharlayan

[languid breach]

They only left the stuff behind that they could replicate. The good stuff was taken back to the motherland.

[woven escarp]

anyone who can understand the tomes could teach the militaries of eorzea

[somber storm]

Army of warrior mages

[woven escarp]

that's like, what I'm saying though

even the shitty stuff they left behind is more than good enough

[viscid monolith]

The Sharalayans wrote the books. They would be just as useful if not more.

[woven escarp]

if they actually wanted to participate, maybe

[forest magnet]

The Aetherical Ram was pretty useful...

[woven escarp]

but they don't, so you have to make do with what you've got

[forest magnet]

What are we looking for in Gubal Hard again

[languid breach]

Aetherial ram?

[woven escarp]

wasn't gubal hard looking for like, gardening tips or some shit

[forest magnet]

That was Mocciane wasn't it.

[woven escarp]

that was the seeds

[languid breach]

5.58 dungeon: Great Gubal Library (Harder)

Also the boy and the dragon gay

[brisk quail]

Someone sent us for a book

They said duuude. I need that book for science/arborteum reasons

[wind bough]

It was to get a book for Yayake

[brisk quail]

And we said fine. Whatevs

[wind bough]

Who ultimately wanted to reclaim the library and restore it

[woven escarp]

but wasn't the actual book we were looking for something related to building out idyllshire?

[wind bough]

The book was the catalogue of all the other books in the library

[brisk quail]

The book of books

[somber storm]

The big book of books

[wind bough]

Yayake is the Lalafell from the front desk of the THM guild.

[bold condor]

It's... the... GREAT BIG BOOK OF EVERYTHING WITH EVERYTHING INSIDE

[languid breach]

Chad move: attach a bag of holding to the book of everything and dump the entire library in it. Boom, book of everything.

[bold condor]

SEE THE WORLD AROUND US, THIS BOOK'S THE PERFECT GUIDE

[hexed mango]

Burn down that library

[forest magnet]

I was gonna ask why a Thaumaturge (in a desert) wanted gardening tips

[languid breach]

They fertilize their gardens with the bodies they cremate

[wind bough]

Upon receiving the tome, a delighted Midnight Dew who promptly summons her heretofore-anonymous client, now revealed as Yayake, receptionist of the Thaumaturges' Guild. The bookish Lalafell swiftly confirms that the impressive volume is indeed that which she sought─to wit, a comprehensive catalogue of all the works of wisdom housed within the cavernous library's countless shelves. She further explains that recovering this index was but the first step in a grand plan to renovate the library, that it might once again serve as a center of learning for scholars the realm over. With a somewhat-concerning aside regarding destructive magicks she hopes to master with the library's resources at her disposal, she offers you her gratitude and due recompense for your efforts.

[woven escarp]

🤔

is gubal HM before or after the siege of ala mihgo?

[clever flume]

before

was released in 3.4

[forest magnet]

siege of ala mhigo wasn't until 4.0, and SB only had 2 hard mode dungeons

[woven escarp]

wonder if that's why the coco brothers are able to summon meteor

[viscid monolith]

What do you mean, Ed?

[woven escarp]

I vaguely remember seeing the thaumaturges bringing down a meteor on the gates of ala mihgo

[viscid monolith]

I think Meteor is just a famous spell that advanced mages can learn at some point. It's not really a secret spell.

Oh that was a different spell.

[woven escarp]

"advanced mages" meaning the WOL, who is an aberrant freakbeast

yayake finds a literal treasure trove of dangerous black magic-adjacent spells, shares them with the thaumaturgy guild

[viscid monolith]

They summoned a giant fireball that spat out smaller fireballs at the gate. There's a similar spell in Kingdom Hearts called Firaga Burst.

[woven escarp]

that seems like something the sharlayans would have catalogued

[swift rune]

is it possible Gabranth was struck down by an allag weapon by Lyon so that whoever next would wield it would be influenced by his remaining aether

"the ghost of gabranth"

[forest magnet]

they threw a lot of fire at the door and it opened a little is what I remember, I don't recall anything about meteor

[gaunt star]

No meteors. Just lots of Fireballs, a Coerthan winter, and a metric fuckton of cannonballs.

[forest magnet]

Ishgard: Has cannons that can allegedly penetrate Dragonskin and Primals
Cannons: Bounce off a door

[gaunt star]

bounce off door but slowly cave it inward beyond repair.

[signal vault]

Tbh, Dragon skin doesn't seem to be very hard to penatrate

Or do they seem to be very tough

[pine epoch]

Gabranth in theory technically won. In the menenius report. It talks about how Gabranth effectively wanted to test the Resistance movements and effectively see what their end goals would be if they won if they truly did care about their people or if they were going to end up making the lives of their people worse. Bozja effectively was heading towards the direction Gabranth wanted with its resistance movement. Whilst Dalmasca was far more uncertain but there is someone there to help Dalmasca go the direction Gabranth wants.

[signal vault]

In HW, didn't Lucia kill a dragon with her sword ?

[heady shadow]

so Gabranth was actually cool?

[signal vault]

Gabranth seem like a cool dude from the start according to his character

He took in all kind of races under his command. And he treat all of them with equality and respect

Or I was wrong and mistook him for Menenius

Empire name is hard to remember. Also why is Gabranth also in FF12

[crystal arrow]

can't believe that they stole gabranth from ff14 and put him in 12

[next quarry]

Gabranth is the main antagonist in XII iirc

[signal vault]

Dalmasca, Gabranth, Fran. Are we sure FF12 isn't FF14 but in a different country

[crystal arrow]

iirc not main, moreso the most... persistent and annoying

[heady shadow]

there isnt really a main antagonist in ff12

Gabranth protected larsa

[next quarry]

The main antagonist is politics

[crystal arrow]

[heady shadow]

there was a lot of shit even the 'good guys' in ff12 did that were like what?

[signal vault]

Wdym

[dawn wave]

dalmasca exists? just in a slightly parallel universe to ivalice proper

[crystal arrow]

ff14 dalmasca =/= ff12 dalmasca

[torpid yoke]

didnt i say this to you a few days ago?

[signal vault]

They use same name, same character and same country it just feels like it

I know it's homage and shit

[torpid yoke]

Anyways same names but different characters essentially. They are ff14 versions of the characters

[signal vault]

But using the same character, name, country from another game and just bring them here feels weird when you do not share anything but the name and look.

[dawn wave]

it’s an alternate universe where they’ve been in ffxiv’s world all along

[torpid yoke]

same case with Cloud of darkness, xande, amon, the crystal tower

[weary temple]

Didn't the Ivalice raids also take inspiration from FF Tactics as well?

[crystal arrow]

we talked about this before. it's really not weird.

[dawn wave]

same universe, same creator

[torpid yoke]

Go talk to yoshi-p about it then

[crystal arrow]

I can point to a huge slew of bosses taken from other ff games that aren't really the same thing as their original appearances

[signal vault]

I didn't say it was wrong. I say it feels weird.

[dawn wave]

i mean i don’t see how it’s strange to bring in other ff characters and integrate them into the world. ffxiv is basically a huge love letter to the rest of the franchise

[crystal arrow]

And we're saying it's really, really not that weird.

[torpid yoke]

FF14 is a theme park for other ff games

[crystal arrow]

hell it's just an ff trope overall to have characters or concepts carry over from game to game, like omega and shinryu

[signal vault]

And Bahamut, Ifrit too isnt it

[cosmic herald]

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[signal vault]

I saw them in 16 trailer

[cosmic herald]

don't fuck around in ul'dah

[signal vault]

That's why you stay in Gridiania

[dawn wave]

yeah, though i argue it’s different when it comes to ff bosses vs ff characters, since bosses tend to be just mirages/manifestations/primal versions of the originals, but fran & co are real versions of those characters just in a different universe. they weren’t summoned or created by any other entity

[cosmic herald]

The rules of Gridania is that you don't fuck around with nature

Either that or there's the pirate problem in Limsa

[rustic heath]

I think that goes for all the FF references in this game

Where they are summoned or shown in the ff14 universe and are vastly different from their orginal counterpart

Like Fran is in ff14 but its not really the exact same Fran from ff12

[chilly bluff]

Looks like and has the name of but is in some way different

[rustic heath]

And its obvious for things like Orbonne where those aren't actually Mustadio, Agrias, Cid because they never turn into that in the real tactics

[signal vault]

Parallel multiverses

In before the other stars like the first are just others FF

[sour perch]

i don't think there's ever been an ff game where an incarnation of a character in one game is the exact same one as the other right?

exeption being dissidia of course because... duh

[rustic heath]

FF14 in short terms is a final fantasy theme park of a game and extending to all SE franchises now that we have Nier too because that's not an ff title

Nah not exact

[sour perch]

yeah it's always 'wow it's them but different '

[heady shadow]

just not chrono trigger

[forest magnet]

Gilgamesh

[rustic heath]

Oh

I forgot about Gilgamesh

[forest magnet]

Also FF7R has now made FFX more concretely canon to it.

[signal vault]

The other worlds are just other FF games

[wind bough]

Oh god did they double down on that

[forest magnet]

Yup.

[signal vault]

WoL travel to the 8th in 9.0 and meet Fran in ff12

[sour perch]

yeah i dislike that too
seems really weird to just tie 10 to 7 like that

[forest magnet]

It wouldn't really surprise me if they let Matsuno write an expansion...as messy as that could turn out.

[dawn wave]

i don't want a matsuno expansion

[severe brook]

"Final Fantasy XIV: XII-2"

[forest magnet]

Too bad the dev team loves Matsuno almost as much as they love FF3

[sour perch]

what's everyone's take on how they put in delta/sigmascape as a random gauntlet

heard it was split between WOW COOL REFERENCE and WOW THAT'S LAZY

[signal vault]

What random gauntlet

[forest magnet]

Omega raid series as a whole had a grand total of 2 original bosses. Which is less than Eden which has 5. And much less than Alexander which was entirely original except for CC and Alex himself.

[mighty light]

I haven't played any other FF game and I really enjoyed both of them

[wind bough]

Dislike how disconnected the Omega bosses are from the world of FFXIV.

[signal vault]

Are the Crystal and and Aether a thing in other FFs ?

[sour perch]

delta/sigmascape?

[forest magnet]

Yes to both.

[sour perch]

omegle has you fight a bunch of ff5 and ff6 references for 9 raid fights in a row

[chilly bluff]

There's a picture of the founders of Shinra and one of them is wearing the kid's mask from X-2. Then I think Kitase(?) said that was on purpose.

[rustic heath]

I feel like they just stuck Omega trials into ff14 and called it a day. And Omega showed up in an MSQ cutscene all cool and shit

[sour perch]

like, exdeath was literally just fucking exdeath lmfao

[forest magnet]

I mean Nier was just "Seed of Destruction comes along and fucks shit up"

[signal vault]

So Ascian's world split into 14 worlds. And Omega came from another plannet. Is this just a big multiverse . with the other FFs the other undestroyed worlds ?

[rustic heath]

Nier's story into ff14 also makes no sense

[sour perch]

the other FFs have no place in this game beyond being references

[rustic heath]

Only Crystal Tower and Ivalice made any sense at all

[dawn wave]

i prefer the normal raids series to be mostly original tbh. i like edens

nier was just all fanservice but it was fun so idm them

[sour perch]

if that was not clear

ff14 just has references meaning they take characters and shit and include them but they're not the same people

it's like how the newest version of the transformers cartoon/movie has the same characters but different versions of them from the original 1980's cartoon

[chilly bluff]

Nah 14 exists in its own universe like most of the other FF games. Omega and Midgardsormr are aliens but they're not directly from other FFs. Just references to them.

[signal vault]

[next quarry]

Gilgamesh though

[rustic heath]

I do think its kinda funny how's there 13 shards plus the source and ff14 is the 14th ff game in the franchise

[next quarry]

The first shard's WoL was the FF1 WoL too

[signal vault]

What if SE just double down and connect every single FF into 1 universe with 16 parallel dimension

[chilly bluff]

The fever dream that is the Dissidia series sort of does that

[signal vault]

Then they can continue the story of any FF by sending WoL in an adventure

[rustic heath]

Like it can't be some mere coincidence they said 'let's do 13 shards plus the one you're living on'

[next quarry]

Aren't like 6-7 of them just ded

[signal vault]

Now we have 2 Frans

[rustic heath]

Idk maybe?

[next quarry]

Galuf in eureka made me happy

[signal vault]

Wut

[next quarry]

Yeah

[signal vault]

Is Ascian a thing there too

[next quarry]

The first WoL on the first looked exactly like the WoL

[dawn wave]

are you not caught up to 5.55?

[sour perch]

snor you should really play the game before stepping into here lmfao

[next quarry]

O

[dawn wave]

this is #retired-patch-6-3-discussion lol

[signal vault]

I dont play other FF

[next quarry]

Snor isn't caught up?

[dawn wave]

?

[signal vault]

Everything in FF14 feels original to me

[rustic heath]

You aren't supposed to know about the shards thing until Shadowbringers

[signal vault]

Until someone says it's from another game

[sour perch]

apparently not

snor w'ere talking about the fact you don't recognize one of the biggest spoilers in shadowbringers lmfao

[dawn wave]

ff1 warrior of light

[signal vault]

Ah him

[sour perch]

yeah elidibus in seat of sacrifice is directly based off of dissidia wol

[dawn wave]

this guy

[signal vault]

To me that's just WoL from a story in a book

[next quarry]

Yeah

[mighty light]

You learn about it in post-HW

[signal vault]

I dont know anything about ff1

[next quarry]

The best part of HW is Ardbert's VA

[mighty light]

Unless you mean specifically the WoL thing, which, like
Does not matter

[rustic heath]

They don't speak about it in detail till later

[sour perch]

you learn about norvrandt vaguely but you aren't told about the shards directly

[mighty light]

They very much do talk about it in detail in post-HW

[sour perch]

at which part?

[mighty light]

Like almost everything about how shards, calamities and reflections work is discussed during the Warriors of Darkness arc

[sour perch]

you aren't told about reflections are you?

[rustic heath]

Regardless if you haven't played 5.55 you shouldn't even look at this chat

[sour perch]

i distinctly remember it's a big lore bomb when emet tells you in the rak'tika ruins, along with you finding out that you and ardbert respective reflections of azem

also yeah dude @signal vault get out of this channel you literally are getting spoilered on like 2 expansions ahead because it sounds like you haven't even gotten too far into stormblood

[next quarry]

Snor is caught up, he hasn't played old FF's

[signal vault]

@sour perch bro I finished the game. But I dont play any other FFS

[sour perch]

he is still asking questions about the ascians and their reflections

[signal vault]

In FF1

[mighty light]

I don't remember exactly what they say, but, like
Whether they say it outright or not, they absolutely say "everything was divided into 14 parts," and then they show you a guy who looks like the WoL from the trailers

[sour perch]

unless he just completely missed it somehow which is weird to me

[signal vault]

If Ascian was a thing in Final Fantasea 1

[sour perch]

that was in shadowbringers in the library

[mighty light]

I'm talking about Ardbert.

[signal vault]

I dont play ff1

[rustic heath]

Eldibus turns into the WoL

[sour perch]

elidibus literally turns into the ff1 guy

[rustic heath]

You don't need to play ff1 to understand that

[signal vault]

So is FF1 connect to FF14 by that WoL

[next quarry]

No

[sour perch]

and again, this is not literal. he literally only just looks like him

[signal vault]

So this do be like Smash bro huh

[sour perch]

with all due respect idk what's so hard to understand with this concept, it's just a reference

[next quarry]

No FF games are connected, there are only references

[sour perch]

'hey look it's the guy from that game but not really'

[signal vault]

Oh ye, Bayonetta is here but she can't 1 hit mario with her god like witch craft

[compact marlin]

Ascians are complwtely original to ff14

[rustic heath]

All ff games references in ff14 are just References. Not connected. They're entirely seperate from their counterparts

[sour perch]

that is still incorrect, it's not literally the ff1 guy
kefka from sigmascape is not the actual ff6 kefka, and so forth

they are just included as a love letter to the other games, they are different incarnations in ff14 as a whole

[forest magnet]

Not really Ascian names are taken from FF12

[sour perch]

again, like i said earlier, it's like how movie optimus prime and 1980's optimus prime are not the same robots

[forest magnet]

As well as the Ascian glyphs

[sour perch]

yeah i think they mean the concept of the ancients as a race and not the convocation of 14's names

which u are right about tho

[rustic heath]

Ascians themselves by design are orginal but their names and glyphs are not. Still mostly orginal

[compact marlin]

They reused the esper glyths and names but they arent actualy part of any other game as ascians

[signal vault]

Hey man, if they gonna take things from other games and put it here. Im going to be confused when I first see them here then see them again in other FFs.

[dawn wave]

the only literal reference i think is noctis from ffxv who got thrown into ffxiv's universe and he's wandering around thinking about how to get back to his world

[forest magnet]

In terms of original in regards to the FF series FF9 touched on the Ancients thematically. There's even a room in FF9 that looks disturbingly similar to Hades Phase 2....

[rustic heath]

Like for example. Zodiark exists in ff12 but it isn't the same Zodiark in ff14

[sour perch]

my main issue is that this was explained by a few different people and the concept is still not clear to you

[forest magnet]

So apart from direct crossovers the other character who's most likely the same character from their source material is Nybeth from Tactics Ogre

Nybeth was a necromancer and when u beat him (in Tactics Ogre) he falls into a portal to...somewhere.

[sour perch]

is that confirmed

[forest magnet]

Yes.

[sour perch]

that's hilarious

[signal vault]

Every single FF game is seperated, but here are your identical characters with exact name and model. This feels like fate/series but not connect

Im going to be confused

[forest magnet]

It's like Red Skull from Infinity War you think he died but he actually ended up somewhere else

[rustic heath]

They don't connect. They're never meant to connect. Its called A REFERENCE

If they were meant to connect that means you'd have to play every ff game to date to understand ff14 which is completely false

[forest magnet]

I mean that's not really the case

[next quarry]

Greg though

[dawn wave]

i mean when i was playing the latest nier raids i didn't understand specifically where the drakengard/nier replicant bosses were from, but i knew they were references? no confusion here

[forest magnet]

Like a lot of FFXIV is "I saw that and I clapped" sort of stuff when it comes to references

And Yorha Dark Apocalypse is the epitome of that.

[dawn wave]

the references are there in ffxiv to fulfil their part of the story and to make the player go WOW COOL REFERENCE and you don't need to know any more about them

[forest magnet]

Except Nier is actually canon and not just a reference

[sour perch]

yorha dark apocalypse does not follow up on nier automata in a meaningful way to where it is like ffxiv references in which they are not needed to understand the story

was it confirmed canon??

[rustic heath]

Same question from the other channel who asked "do you need to play Nier to understand the side story" and the answer is no. Yoko Taro stated this himself

[forest magnet]

Yes by Yoko Taro

[sour perch]

wow that's fucking dumb

[signal vault]

[rustic heath]

Just consider it "another ending"

[forest magnet]

And he'll probably throw in Anogg in an Automata sequel

Just to make it hard canon.

[sour perch]

anyway @signal vault this analogy is the simplest way of explaining it

it's like batman having different versions of batman in different comic series
they're not all the same batman

if you don't get it after this idk what to say

[signal vault]

Ye, multiverses dimensional stuff

[forest magnet]

Until you get an Into the Spiderverse situation...

[sour perch]

ugh transformers did a really shitty situation where the big bad of the universe ws the same in every universe

they literally rettconned it when writers got frustrated on writing ANYTHING about him

[signal vault]

So is Sephiroth in Smash Bros the same with Sephiroth in FF7 ?

[dim sigil]

Smash has no Canon

[forest magnet]

What like Unicron ended up becoming Earth

[dim sigil]

It's a crossover fighting game series it's not meant to be taken literally

[signal vault]

Japanese do like to reference every single piece of other medium hmmmmm

[sour perch]

some shit like that
they had Nexus Prime literally kill the shit out of one version of Unicron so hard it split up every different universe's version

[signal vault]

Like Goku in Gintama

[gaunt star]

[sour perch]

YES like goku in gintama being non-canon

[signal vault]

Like Palico in MhW ?

[warm bone]

Witcher appears in MH. Rathalos is in XIV

[gaunt star]

Nier story is so bad its funny as hell

[signal vault]

Witcher is in XIV, confirm canon

[gaunt star]

I cant believe they really ended on that after 6 weeks of sidequests

[signal vault]

[unreal gale]

Doesn't Gintama in particular reference other shows a lot, though? It's humor, and it loves to break the fourth wall.

[lost mountain]

Behemoth in MHW is unkind

[signal vault]

So, new class in 7.0, witcher when ?

[rustic heath]

I love Nier but I hate Yorha Dark Apocalypse

[sour perch]

it's not in xiv because if you paid attention to ur lessions you'd know the MhW crossover is not the same MhW universe as the actual mh games

[unreal gale]

Oh wait, I think I misunderstood the conversation. Nvm.

[signal vault]

Behemoth in mhw go brrrrr on hunters

[forest magnet]

there's not much story to love tbh. and the weekly quests were kinda stupid

[sour perch]

they led up to nthing

[unreal gale]

How did the weekly quests end? I stopped after the first week.

[dim sigil]

Weekly Quest would have been okay if they actually let up to something that they were teasing something was still wrong

[signal vault]

But funny mechanic, building go haha

[rustic heath]

I didn't even bother with them. I barely paid attention to the story to start with

[sour perch]

that's not the weekly quest

[dim sigil]

You know about as much as we do then

[unreal gale]

Oh, RIP. Thanks.

[rustic heath]

I skimmed thru it and was like "k. Alright"

[viscid monolith]

I can't even fortnite dance Dark Apocalypse's grave because it isn't worth burying.

[unreal gale]

The story was terrible, ye. They tried.

[sour perch]

you get some shitty shorthand notes about konogg doing shit and then it ends with nothing

[gaunt star]

Yeah nier is p good.

YDA is trash. They could've - and should've - stuck to having fanservice stuff at least fit properly in the ff14 world. Say what you want about omega for example but they at least made an in-universe reasoning for it

[signal vault]

Idk dude, I play like 1 MH game, that is MhW

[forest magnet]

We don't even know what happened to Glagg. Like Yoko Taro couldn't pull out some crazy shit for him and was just like "well he just got better" like cmon dude.

[dim sigil]

It plays credits with each server name and data center with the numbers of who voted for which dwarf twin except every server is like unanimously split with the exact same numbers which is very suspicious

[forest magnet]

How is that suspicious

[viscid monolith]

Konogg commits unalive or something it's ambiguous because that makes the story better automatically.

[signal vault]

I agree, Lyse- Yda is pretty shit

[gaunt star]

No. Yorha

[signal vault]

[dim sigil]

Just statistically very server having the exact same thing makes no sense

[rustic heath]

Not Yda... YDA is... Nevermind...

[sour perch]

what they did with lyse was a net gain because they got rid of her garbage outfit

[dim sigil]

Like I can't imagine the amount of perfect lineup that has to be in the perfect time line to be the exact same for every single one

[unreal gale]

Maybe they made a copy+paste error? Lmao.

[forest magnet]

Why wouldn't it? It wouldn't be exactly the same but why would the Zalera server be more lenient towards one choice rather than the other compared to Gilgamesh?

[dim sigil]

Like it is a very very very low odds on every single server would have to same hard numbers

[gaunt star]

Anyway the thing i hate most about nier raids is the fact that they barely made an effort to make it make more sense. You're putting a nier game INTO ff14 and not following the universe's rules? 🥴

Also i fuckin refuse to believe that 66% picked anogg

[forest magnet]

Statistically speaking assuming voting trends remained the same across datacenters, it would be reasonable to see that proportions would remain roughly the same across every server...

[sour perch]

i don't take particular issue with it since it was clearly a shoehorned crossover but they definitely could have done better. something like fitting most of ff12 and tactics into ivalice was fairly okay

[gaunt star]

Yeah

[unreal gale]

Dunno if the hard numbers are accurate, but it's not like either dwaf was that interesting. Wouldn't expect a preference.

[forest magnet]

Like if 66% of all FFXIV players voted for Anogg, then every server would have around 66% who voted for her. I don't get how that's unusual

[signal vault]

Also, what is with Japanese game/anime that reference anything that is funny or has the same Publisher ? I like it, but I'm also curious. I can see Lara Croft/gun for MCH on mogstation in the future

[sour perch]

it's really up to the publishing company

[forest magnet]

Money.

[sour perch]

it is absolutely for money

pyramid head and solid snake are in the newest f2p bomberman

[unreal gale]

Well, it generally doesn't work out that cleanly. Random chance and all. You'd expect to see the occasional outlier and servers varying from 60-70%, or whatever the StD would be.

[dim sigil]

They did Laura Craft with Final Fantasy already but that was with 15

[signal vault]

1 + 1 = 2 . we put 2 fandom together for money huh

[unreal gale]

But I didn't watch the credits. Can't say much.

[gaunt star]

A 66% of total playerbase splitting evenly into each datacenter feels unlikely to me...also i still refuse to believe that the majority thought they should snitch about the robots

[forest magnet]

When I went through the credits there seemed to be +/- 5 percent margin

[dim sigil]

The amount of groups and variables for everyone to be that exact the same is just statistically impossible

[forest magnet]

It's not the exact same though

[dawn wave]

i mean. i feel like more people voted for anogg in general bc she’s a girl lol

[viscid monolith]

Anyway just got out of a 50 minute Dalrada run

[sour perch]

are we talking literally 66 / 66 / 66 or are we talking around that range with margin
because margin makes sense to some degree

[gaunt star]

They were all either 66 or 67
And 33 or 34

[forest magnet]

It's not statistically impossible in fact it's statistically likely

[sour perch]

christ. what was the deal with that one in particular?

[unreal gale]

Ah, gotcha. Mb, the conversation made me think the numbers were the exact same.

[signal vault]

I would like to imagine SE CEO has a world map of his games. When he's bored he put on blindfold and throw dart to see which one will FF14 collab next

[gaunt star]

F

[unreal gale]

I chose Konogg because he seemed slightly more reasonable, but it wasn't a hard choice. Just a hasty one.

[viscid monolith]

Because these morons will find a way to make anything more painful. People refused to use Essences.

[sour perch]

i mean more collabs are nice, MhW and FFXV were cool events
the yokai watch one was nice too

[forest magnet]

The only surprising thing is that voting trends remained the same across geography
Like EU/NA/JP datacenters all voted in similar proportions

[dawn wave]

it’s not like ffxiv has a ton of collabs every month or whatever

[dim sigil]

I chose to heal dr for a run suddenly it took very long

[viscid monolith]

We saw 3 Diabolic Gate. And then I saw mechanics I'd never seen before because it's usually dead before then.

[forest magnet]

they usually do collabs with their gacha games

[sour perch]

i mean i've had dalriada runs with no essences for most people during the first few days of it coming out but they never took that long

i'm assuming a lot of death yeah? diabolic gate should also contribute to that

that mechanic is horseshit btw it's so fucking quick

[signal vault]

FGO x FF14 when.

[viscid monolith]

Nah even Cuchulain took like 10 minutes

[dim sigil]

Ff14 blu mage battle royale

[signal vault]

I want my Excalibur sword on DRK

[viscid monolith]

People were just bad.

[gaunt star]

When I say across datacenters I mean geographically as well. Im not a culture expert or whatever but the fact that all 3 regions voted the same as well as all the datacenters to the exact percentage (give of take one) is 🧍‍♂️

Lance i thought u mean delubrum ngl

[viscid monolith]

Btw the Cuchulain fight is bad. Very bad.

[sour perch]

me and my tank watching my 6 essenceless party members running directly into the transformation puddle

[viscid monolith]

Oh no all of my Delibrium runs are 40-50 minutes

[unreal wadi]

you really want people from the grandorder community?

[forest magnet]

Then again demographically the people who do play MMORPGs aren't generally that diverse compared to like actual irl elections

[viscid monolith]

Because again. People don't use Essences or lost actions.

[sour perch]

delubrum is expected to be slow as fuck, dal being that slow is a surprise to me

[gaunt star]

Also my favourite thing in Cuchulain fight is to stand away from everyone for fleshy necromass so I keep uptime and not get hit 9/10 times

[signal vault]

@unreal wadi i mean if you were here when maint happened. All of them are already here lol

[forest magnet]

We don't have any reason to doubt the results but when OCE servers come out they all better vote for Konogg in case there's some secret shit they're still hiding from us.

[gaunt star]

Fair enough if thats the case - im no statistics expert, but still skeptical af

[unreal wadi]

well i know, because im a mod on the /r/grandorder discord

[gaunt star]

... f

[viscid monolith]

Cuchulain should have been a grosser fight like in Void Ark.

More bile, vore, and farts.

That boss design is top notch though

[sour perch]

gacha players getting ready to spend 200 bucks on their blonde girl wearing a black suit instead

[viscid monolith]

Also his man tiddies have jiggle physics which is hilarious

[signal vault]

Why is Cuchulain in Void Ark and in here ?

[viscid monolith]

Same names different entities

[sour perch]

^

[signal vault]

[sour perch]

what? you never had two classmates with the same name?

i had two cuchulainns my senior year

[forest magnet]

ppl actually name their kid cuchulainn?

[signal vault]

@unreal wadi I remember Chairman Zala is a very angy mod

[sour perch]

no i'm kidding lmao
it is just rather funny there's two cuchulains

[viscid monolith]

Cuchulain in Void Ark is a voidsent and possible Warrior of Light from the 13th. His name is a reference to XII's Cuchulain. Back in Heavensward I'm sure Yoshida never expected to have fucking Matsuno write for XIV and bring XII's Espers into the game.

[signal vault]

Irish myth

[forest magnet]

It's not the first time

[unreal wadi]

[sour perch]

like how there's two differen halicarnassus's

[forest magnet]

yeah an irish myth of some poor dude being disfigured horribly

[signal vault]

Where shishou

I want hot Scathach in ff14

[sour perch]

scathach is hot in ff14 already though

[signal vault]

But not hot hot, just hot

[sour perch]

[forest magnet]

can you be specific

[signal vault]

Hotter than our Scathach, and use a lance

[forest magnet]

So Penesthelia

[unreal wadi]

[sour perch]

yeah that's just penny

uses the same model/skeleton too no?

[forest magnet]

idk

[sour perch]

we're not based enough and didn't spend 20 hours staring at penny's model

[forest magnet]

Oh I've fought her plenty of times I've just not fought Scatath that much

[rustic heath]

Same model different design. Even her pose is the same

The fight is different tho. There's like. Mild similarities

[sour perch]

yeah same skeleton nice

[signal vault]

Next collab will be
Mr CEO throw darts at board
Deus EX

[warm bone]

hey. thats red pazuzu

[gaunt star]

Wait penny kinda cute...

Also theres a lot of asset reuse in the game

[sour perch]

yeah, Saunion is literally Perfect Alexander

[warm bone]

i never noticed mostly because i was ded the whole fight

[gaunt star]

However they decided to go "fuck it" and reuse belias and skoll in their entirety in zadnor which is pretty funny

"hey isnt that skoll"
"Hey isnt that skoll's abilities"

[sour perch]

yeah it's hilarious
paz too

they go hard for when it's more 'important' content like how they reused neo exdeath for diabolo armsday

[rustic heath]

Isn't Skoll basically Fenrir

[gaunt star]

Yes

[sour perch]

skoll is exactly fenrir
same with the other fenrir in zadnor

[signal vault]

I wish Sephiroth katana is in FF14

Loooooong

[gaunt star]

I dont remember what neo exdeath looked like exactly but i think diablo armament was different enough

[warm bone]

they copy pasted behemoth too

[signal vault]

Do we have Cloud sword in 14 somewhere on mogstation ?

[warm bone]

nope

[gaunt star]

Behemoth is just built different

[warm bone]

there is only a close approximation

[signal vault]

Only the outfit hmmmm

[warm bone]

!iglam kidomaru

[lusty shadow]

**Kidomaru** **:** Dark Knight's Arm

Images of glamour items by Gamer Escape.

[warm bone]

this is the closest i think

[signal vault]

Not as cool tho

[warm bone]

nope. i would love to have first tsurugi

but thats probably asking too much

[gaunt star]

Nothing has brute justice's model does it

[warm bone]

ohoh!

[sour perch]

i'm surprised there isn't a mogstation cloud sword at this point tbh

[warm bone]

Buster sword exists!

its in the LB animation

[sour perch]

i don't think so, brute justice's skeleton is so oddly specific

[gaunt star]

I think something has cc but i cant remember for the life ofnme

Living liquid........

Brute Justice? Good
Brute Justice's hitbox? Yameroooo

[warm bone]

Yep. Melee LB1

is the buster sword

[signal vault]

Isnt LB2 the same sword

Just faster

[warm bone]

yep

they are both cloud's limit breaks anyway

Braver and Cross-Slash

[signal vault]

If they put Sephiroth outfit in mogstation. They will make bank tbh

[sour perch]

cloud gets two referneces since 14 is 7 x 2

[warm bone]

cloud is referenced in the chat settings

[sour perch]

bro they could put a t-shirt that says MAYONNAISE and they would make bank off of mogstation

people literally pay 5 bucks for an emote they'll never use

i am people

[gaunt star]

Quick maths

[signal vault]

They even have Leonhart jacket already

[warm bone]

people pay 200 bucks for an emote and a bonus statue

[stiff charm]

what

[signal vault]

If you go into setting, you will se it

[gaunt star]

When you change what you want visible in each chat, the examples are cloud & co

[stiff charm]

lmao

[signal vault]

I'm surprised that they have everything from Squall but not Sephiroth

[gaunt star]

I like how the omega m and f emote were seen as all "woww" for like a month then wasnt anymore

[stiff charm]

we will get sephiroth gear as a reward for zenos ex

[sour perch]

bro wdym sephirot is already in the game...

please laugh

[gaunt star]

We have a zenos ex
Its called shinryu B)

[stiff charm]

no. one winged angel zenos. zodiark zenos

[stiff charm]

[clever flume]

wow smug you didn't even post the best one

[carmine basin]

Cloud that's Squall's catchphrase not yours smh

[warm bone]

JINX

[sour perch]

[stiff charm]

ah yes

[carmine basin]

So Cloud staring at Tifa's boobs is canon in XIV (haven't finished 7R but played 7)

[signal vault]

Shinryu EX isnt it

[signal vault]

Tifa lockhart do be hot

[stiff charm]

god i cant wait to be smug at everyone when im in a party of fresh players during early access and the objective is "defeat zenos"
phase 1: zenos 1v8, like ala mhigo dungeon but a little harder (he ate zodiark and got some power)
phase transition, he grows one black feathered wing (could also be made of zodi crystals if they wanna be unique)
queue sokens contractually obligated one winged angel
phase 3 is wacky giant zenodiark on a broken chunk of the moon with even wackier makers ruin + amaurot/to the edge + answers + endwalker/higher + every final boss theme thus far (ultima, heroes (maybe revenge of the horde), worms tail, invincible (to the edge is already in there guaranteed im calling it) combined remix thats like 10 mins long before it loops (it will be 20+ mins on spotify )

i was planning on making a one winged angel meme but decided to put my entire wacky prediction in here for when i get proven wrong

[pine epoch]

I was away for a few hours so I missed conversations. The one thing I wanted to reply to was follow ups to gabranth and 12 stuff. Going to start off and say. Matsuno on twitter which I recommend you randomly follow cause he sometimes talks about his work. He explained while there will be overlap or similarities to the original ivalice. 14 and original ivalice are not the same universe or continuity.

Yoshida also explained that if matsuno wanted they could of been the same universe as he gave a free get out of jail card to matsuno if he would want to break the lore of 14 to do whatever he wanted

[indigo shale]

it would be odd if they were, it means ff12 would be cannon to 14, then they would have to work out the shit with the espers and come up with a reason why the ascians take on the name of them, just sounds like a lot of work to make it the same universe

[somber storm]

https://tenor.com/view/gongaga-me-village-final-fantasy-gif-16997495

[pine epoch]

Matsuno decided not to break 14 cause he is actually a really big fan of 14 and is a active player. He also is heavily into end game.

[somber storm]

Also getting past 3rd base is canon

[pine epoch]

And gave seal of approval to Male viera and says he will even fantasia into Male viera day 1 of 6.0

[somber storm]

Viera Matsuno

[indigo shale]

if he broke the lore of 14 i feel their would be a revolt in the fanbase

but since some people seem to think 14 shares the same universe as prior games just because of references it may not be to bad

[pine epoch]

Wanted to cover the matsuno stuff first before talking about gabranth

[chilly bluff]

(Reminder that the reason Yoshida joined SE was specifically to work with Matsuno but by the time he made it, Matsuno had already left. Hence the leniency he's offered. Yoshi is a huge Matsuno fan.)

[pine epoch]

Matsuno and Yoshida really seemed to have formed a great friendship over FF14

[stiff charm]

me? pagaga

[dim sigil]

I think a big part of that is because this game attracts lot of people who don't play Final Fantasy so they assume of course the other number games are connected

[pine epoch]

Also with Gabranth if we wanna draw parallels. He would be a lot like Vayne from ff12. Whilst Vayne is kinda a major dickbag. Vayne was in a similar boat where he if 1 of 2 situations occur he will get what he wants. In one scenario he stomps out the dalmascan resistance and the chains if history return to man. He is emperor and mankind will never be puppets of the occuria again. If he loses the chains of history are back in the hands of man. And Larsa who will have been portrayed as a kind hearted and more honorable person will rule over the empire and bring peace.

[sour perch]

[cosmic herald]

https://twitter.com/BaeyushiCaro/status/1398931593754906625

Bae of the Firmament (@BaeyushiCaro)

I don't even know where to begin with this one #FFXIVMemes

Likes

194

Twitter · May 30, 2021, 9:17 AM

[gaunt star]

... if I suffered GNB queues in ShB,should I just suffer the RPR queues for EW?

Shouldn't be that different, right?

[stiff charm]

just do zadnor

[gaunt star]

I mean 80-90

I did GNB as my MSQ job, now I'm tempted to go straight for RPR instead of SRI.

[sour perch]

what is SRI

[gaunt star]

Also fuck Bozja's story, I'm staying in the Southern Front.

I hate auto correct.

[sour perch]

what is SHB

[gaunt star]

...

Ffs--

[sour perch]

WHAT ARE EITHER OF THOSE JUST SAY THE FULL NAME

[gaunt star]

WHY HASN'T MY PHONE MEMORIZED DARK KNIGHT YET!?

I WENT GNB DURING SHB, SUFFERED MANAGEABLE QUEUES, TEMPTED TO DO IT AGAIN ON REAPER FOR EW.

I hate this fucking phone.

[woven escarp]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

it's not like you won't be suffering if you planned on leveling a dps anyway

unless you play ranged dps, because duty finder tends to prefer one melee and one ranged

[gaunt star]

Fuck you're right, DPS has it a lot worse compared to the GNB tide.

[stiff charm]

..shadowbringers?

[sour perch]

it was not shadowbringers in the context we were in

[stiff charm]

o

[stiff charm]

then why do i get 2 ranged in all of my ast queues

[gaunt star]

Just started zadnor, will certain decisions lead to the death of an NPC? Or just dialogues / cutscenes?

[woven escarp]

no melee in queue when you queued?

[stiff charm]

[rain onyx]

just dialogue

Events still basically play out the same.

[gaunt star]

Thank you

[cosmic herald]

ah yes the illusion of free choice

[potent raft]

wait we can't save misija?

[dawn wave]

she dies in different ways if that’s what you’re asking

[potent raft]

oh

[drowsy belfry]

So I kinda wish they'd give us more to spend Mythril Coins on

Already bought all the gear

[somber storm]

Hedge why

[drowsy belfry]

Can't stop won't stop

[somber storm]

hand over your coins

[surreal sky]

would be nice to spend coins to make the grind shorter

[stiff charm]

how.

[dawn wave]

hedge wtf

[drowsy belfry]

Darliada

[surreal sky]

but that would be evil right?

[stiff charm]

are you sentient

[drowsy belfry]

Well, yes we're all sentient

[stiff charm]

is this a hedge clone? which one

[drowsy belfry]

Haha nono, my clone is currently in deep space. But one day, he will find his way back to me. To kill me and usurp his throne

[stiff charm]

well good luck with that then

[drowsy belfry]

Hedge Lore ™️

[surreal sky]

is your clone in a tesla car riding around the solar system?

[pastel coyote]

At this point Hedge you can farm our relic

[surreal sky]

agree

[drowsy belfry]

I fear I've said too much, if anybody asks: my clone is not in a tesla

[dawn wave]

hedge can start selling relic grinding services

[drowsy belfry]

Honestly I would

[dawn wave]

LMFAO

[stiff charm]

id pay $20 for drk relic

so i have a better wep than fucking exarchic

[dawn wave]

just get cryptlurker 5head

[stiff charm]

was using 485 for ages

[drowsy belfry]

I'd sell specific steps for 10$, then a full relic package for 60$

[dawn wave]

wow you've really thought about it huh

[stiff charm]

i dont wanna do e12n i hate duty finder i hate it

[surreal sky]

cryptlurker drk wep is really good

[drowsy belfry]

But then I'm "breaking ToS" and I can get banned so eh

[surreal sky]

what if you accept gil instead of money?

[pastel coyote]

Honestly when was the last time you go outside Hedge ?

[stiff charm]

8 gil for curtana lux pls

[drowsy belfry]

I'd do it for gil hella

[surreal sky]

69 gil for all teh eureka weapons plz

each

[drowsy belfry]

500k per specific step, 3 mil for full relic

[stiff charm]

2 gil for yoichi bow zeta

[dawn wave]

no the illegal part is piloting the account

[surreal sky]

seems cheap and reasonable

the bozja/zadnor grind is much nicer than the eureka one

[drowsy belfry]

I'm going off the assumption where I'll be supplying my own mats so for a full relic grind I think 3 mill is pretty damn decent

I'd be spending 400k on items, plus Desynth each for 10k

[pastel coyote]

damn 3M seem cheap

[drowsy belfry]

I unironically wouldn't be opposed to doing it if I could do it without SE grabbing my nuts

[surreal sky]

agree

[drowsy belfry]

I'd sadly be locked to Crystal tho,

[somber storm]

they got your kupo nuts

[drowsy belfry]

Where do you think free kupo nuts come from

[somber storm]

Hedge the nut factory

[drowsy belfry]

Hehehehehehe

[stiff charm]

[drowsy belfry]

God I'd have to put an extra fee on Eurekan Relics if you need to level in Eureka

[chilly bluff]

I’m level 3 gib armor +1 pls

[drowsy belfry]

😓

[chilly bluff]

[drowsy belfry]

Thooooo thinking about it, it's ENTIRELY legal if they pay and I just come over to the server and do the labor while the buyer sits in the party and chills out, only doing the necessary stuff

https://tenor.com/view/watame-hololive-anime-stare-gif-18032514

I'm gonna have to start thinking about specifics '

[surreal sky]

i have my eurekan relics on the pyros step- 1 or 2 ready for BA

im free from pagos.... but those drop rates are just still nasty in my mind, more adjustments are still needed in that place

[gaunt star]

yeah buff field note drop rates first

[signal vault]

what do you use for super DRK btw

like 1500 MP edge and 0gcd

[gloomy shale]

why cant i haz the fran bike

[balmy mesa]

you need all the BSF+zadnor notes

[gloomy shale]

unfortunately I already knew this haha

[drowsy belfry]

Maaaaaan almost killed the Dabog 1v1

Had it 39% and everything

[signal vault]

welcome to depressed gang

lost blood rage is fun

[signal vault]

@drowsy belfryis the haste worth upgrading in BSF and Zadnor

[drowsy belfry]

If you want it sure

[rain onyx]

it's the only way you can increase your damage through gear in bozja content, so all jobs kinda want it

unless your job really hates a faster GCD like RDM/DNC

[drowsy belfry]

Meanwhile BLM: MORE FIRE

[signal vault]

but is it worth to upgrade over gil

the part to upgrade it sells for a lot

[rain onyx]

That's where the greed factor comes in

[drowsy belfry]

^

[signal vault]

how stronger is the full set ?

[rain onyx]

Also in how much time you see yourself investing in bozja stuff

each point of haste is 0.02 off your GCD

[signal vault]

hmm, i like gil more

I don't play 1 role only in bozjan

[gaunt star]

ill probably lvl all my classes in bozja

[signal vault]

same

I want to see my 535 blade, but can't return quest until I got some more timeworn

[gaunt star]

im at the timeworn artifacts part, but i dont think i can do DR since it gives only one per run

[signal vault]

I hate PoTD

i combine 2 steps so it's better for me

[gaunt star]

same but i got 3 artifacts from potd in an hour xd

[signal vault]

that feeling when 15 DR gives you 2 weapons

[crystal arrow]

DR is quicker now tho

[signal vault]

i got 2 RDM using veteran in DR

[gaunt star]

it is, i did a run today

[signal vault]

and beast spirit

like wtf ??????

[crystal arrow]

if people actually use essences and have some of the valor suns you can do it in 30mins or less

[signal vault]

they are lvl 25 btw

[balmy mesa]

pug DR will take about half an hour to 40 min normally on JP, but I've heard that some DR runs would only take about 15-20 minutes and I'm yet to see that

[gaunt star]

the run i did took 35 min

which wasnt bad at all tbh

[signal vault]

seeing people using def + hp in DR on DPS is pain

you gonna die to mechanic with 2 hit, why use it ????

[balmy mesa]

like, that's not needed, yeah

[torpid yoke]

30-45 minutes was the average before. should be 20-30 minutes now. 10-15 minutes if everyone uses dps essences

[crystal arrow]

they just pop it and hope people don’t notice

[drowsy belfry]

13/17

[crystal arrow]

I haven’t even seen any sort of talk about pugs being 10-15 mins

[gaunt star]

my party had 3 tanks and a green dps cause the healer didnt heal xd

[signal vault]

thats why most run WAR

Nascent flash go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, no healer needed

[torpid yoke]

it happens on rare occurrences. I had one. Thats why i said the average should be 20-30 now

[gaunt star]

Everyone using dps.essences is around 20/25. Everyone using dps essences AND actually playing proper classes would be like 15-20

Ive been on a handful of "dps essence/action required" runs which helps but then im doing like nearly double tbe next persons damage and half the people are still sitting in the 10s for damage and its like 🥴

[soft gyro]

castrum be like "how long must i wait?"

[gaunt star]

Mood

[torpid yoke]

if you really wanna be able to speed you do 1 tank for the whole raid 1 healer per party and the rest dps. Have the dps use pure essences and healers use aether weavers. One elder cure 4 bravery gamer per party and one flarestar for the whole raid, rend armor people for full uptime

[grave raft]

also dervish for rdps for each party, 2 nins is enough for 2 rends so they use it on cd.

[torpid yoke]

that too. dervish gamers

everything should melt

OOO and with full dps suns? GONE IN A FLASH

[gaunt star]

Yea

That's the runs i was part of. But again, dps is still sus with essences

[drowsy belfry]

Oh and bring Lost Banish for Da Ghost

[gaunt star]

I played aetherweaver astro and i outdamaged 3 whms and 6 dps

[torpid yoke]

did those people get hit?

[gaunt star]

It was queen so i fuckin hope not

You dont see any real mechs

[drowsy belfry]

Damn has DR changed that much in my time away?

[torpid yoke]

the tile mechanic people tend to get hit

[gaunt star]

Then theyre dumb

[pine epoch]

I have come to talk more about post mortem STQ story.

[gaunt star]

And even when i get hit i still average at at least 30k

[somber storm]

people still get hit by the traps in DR

[torpid yoke]

usually you see the tile mechanic 3 times

[pine epoch]

Someone pointed out the diamond weapons at the end of stq have the same markings as save the queen. Thus meaning these are auracite too.

[gaunt star]

You see it once when you pump