retired-patch-6-3-discussion

[stiff charm]

only last step is dyable i believe

[pine epoch]

I kinda feel like this is a seymour Simpson meme. Where there like I'm not out of touch it's the kids that are. It seems to be a real forum post. And that the dude believes what they said.

[subtle pasture]

There should be replicas of each step, but yeah I don’t believe the base law’s order are dyeable

[distant sonnet]

I've seen enough mmo communities over the years to 100% believe that post was real and that gun was unironically outraged.

Its just an extension of "You don't pay my sub" mentality.

[serene badge]

why is it so ugly

[maiden lodge]

Even if it's not real, that's a legitimate sentiment expressed by some in the community in this heckin channel

[maiden lodge]

It's like a streetlamp decorated for Voidchristmas

[wind bough]

That's really mild for a forum hot take.

There are absurd takes in the forums on a daily basis

[pulsar current]

don't threaten me with a good time and not deliver the goods!

[wind bough]

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choice quotes

[drowsy belfry]

9/17

[wind bough]

Hedge you'll die

[drowsy belfry]

I sleep when I'm DEAD

Oh wow it still fits with the AF

[wind bough]

huh, do the rest of them?

[drowsy belfry]

I THINK SO, oh my god I noticed that the first and second models did

Fuck me this is like the first time all Model steps are based on the AF armor

[kind lark]

Nice soul patch

[gaunt star]

The only good bard relic is the Gandiva

[distant sonnet]

Bard relics are so horrendous.

[pulsar current]

the lux one is pretty good

[next quarry]

Artemis Bow is cool

[open verge]

Laws order one is dope

Why can’t we dye the replica laws order this game makes no sense...

[serene badge]

I don't think "DPS essences should be easier to obtain" is the worst forum take ever

judging by how few people actually use them in DR, it only seems reasonable that they actually should be

[stiff charm]

skirmisher is way too rare

[viscid monolith]

How much easier do you want the motherfuckers to be

[pulsar current]

like lost bubble easy

[stiff charm]

maybe not that easy

[viscid monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/770470335685460018/770470608516939796/Bozjan_Southern_Front_DDS_Project_n4b401m_m.png

[serene badge]

easy enough that most players both have them and feel comfortable consuming them, as a start

[viscid monolith]

Just farm some mobs

People are fucking lazy I got 19 Skirmishers on me

[pulsar current]

"people are fucking lazy" story of the world my friend

[viscid monolith]

Go to zone 2 and farm mobs

This map is admittedly hard to read on mobile though

[viscid monolith]

And for the record people don't use them in DR because they're stupid

[signal vault]

Wdym essence is hard to get ???

People are just dumb

Like it can't get any easier

[pulsar current]

and lazy, and cheap, and arrogant, and...

[soft gyro]

what do you farm to get them?

cause ive gotten zero

[signal vault]

@soft gyro ugh, bsf worm

[soft gyro]

wat

[signal vault]

Bozjan 2nd area worm

Do you know the white bois near the aetheryte ?

[soft gyro]

so i gotta farm bozja stuff

[signal vault]

Everyone should know them by now

Grab a WAR

And go ham at it, use bloodsucker

[soft gyro]

sadly i don't think the game tells you at all how to get them items

[signal vault]

But people do

There is a whole chart and map

[soft gyro]

cuz they do research

[signal vault]

Ye, just follow people who do researcu

[soft gyro]

dumb brain like me is dumb

[signal vault]

Grab a warrior, find someone can heal you and dps aoe

Voila you farm like 150 /hour now

[torpid yoke]

the game does

[signal vault]

You want more, get a party of 4, split farm worm and spider. They are literally next to each other

[soft gyro]

maby it is also beacuse i don't read anything

[boreal forge]

[signal vault]

You want pure essence ? Farm the rank 3 4th division with the same method for huge fucking amount of cluster

[torpid yoke]

also experimenting does by killing random mobs since you should be aquanted with doing so in a area

[soft gyro]

too boring

[torpid yoke]

Well there's your problem. Read ya shit

if ya aint gonna read dont be complainin

[signal vault]

Like my brother, there's mob that kill themselves to drop fragments

[soft gyro]

nah yall complaining, not me

[boreal forge]

[signal vault]

It could not get easier

People are just dumb, that's why I never get anyone to join my PF for fragments

[boreal forge]

i mean i would say that you are wrong, but..... yeah....

[torpid yoke]

its why i always never join a party for CLL or dalriada or any ce

[boreal forge]

i mean dalriada with small amount of people is easy

[soft gyro]

aight time to go to bozja and farm some worms

[signal vault]

Grab a friend

[soft gyro]

wow, you expect too much out of me

[signal vault]

[soft gyro]

already getting to the hard part

k i got my war

[torpid yoke]

hard part is zoning in

[signal vault]

You dont need a healer to help you, anyone with savior and lost cure 2 could probably help

I'm a black mage healer

I fart and heal then everything dies. Great success

[soft gyro]

does gunship work as well?

[signal vault]

No

Only WAR can solo. Nascent flash

[soft gyro]

no i meant the enemies

[signal vault]

Theres a map, scroll up

But non-empire tend to drop more

[torpid yoke]

the magitek mobs dont drop fragments

[signal vault]

They drop cluster iirc

[torpid yoke]

correct

If you want essences and actions you kill regular mobs. If you wanna spawn ce's or get clusters you kill magitek mobs

[soft gyro]

yeah i can't solo this, took me 4 minutes to kill 2

must be cause i am probably bad at war too

[signal vault]

Also, get the memory relic step up

The one with colorful memories red, blue and yellow

[soft gyro]

for want of a memory?

[signal vault]

The mob drop memory at decent rate

I dont rmb, but the one with 3 memories, 20 of each

[torpid yoke]

do you have whm leveled and a essence of the templar?

[signal vault]

Farming Bozjan is faster than farm fate for relic, profitable

[soft gyro]

i have 11 deep templars and 18 normal

[signal vault]

Also wait at the worm to see who come through , some might go there to find a war for farming

It was my best solution because shouting doesn't work. No one cares smh

[crystal arrow]

bloodsucker and nascent lets you pull a bunch and just chill

[signal vault]

^

[crystal arrow]

I - why wouldn't you join one, exactly

you get healed and rezzed lol

[torpid yoke]

i always go as a healer so i heal myself

[crystal arrow]

join a party anyways so you have a chance to go profane then??

even when I heal I always join a party for cll/dal/CEs

[torpid yoke]

why would i go profane? im not gonna stunt my healing when i could keep my healing and do more damage with aetherweaver or ordained with chainspell

if i wanted to play a dps i would just play a dps with beast essence

[drowsy belfry]

Irregular or bust

[viscid monolith]

Bloodsucker and Beast could be easier to get ya. They only drop from Castrum.

[torpid yoke]

or a dps with cure

[crystal arrow]

beecause profane is absolutely broken? why wouldn't you go profane

[torpid yoke]

profane is not broken

[crystal arrow]

you do more damage w/ profane than with aetherweaver

[viscid monolith]

Anything from Castrum, Delibrium, and whatever the Zadnor instance is called should be made purchasable with clusters.

[torpid yoke]

Yea and i can still heal and do more damage by doing aetherweaver

and can do more dps by just going a dps role and giving myself beast essence or using lost cure

[signal vault]

You dont need deep essence for common use tho

Only the bloodsucker is hard to get

[crystal arrow]

fuck healing you're a green dps

[torpid yoke]

then just play a actual dps

[dim sigil]

I still have to add it how much more metal I need for honors but this is everything I want to get done before 6 .0

It is quite the grind

[soft gyro]

wow, this is fun

its so fun to see all the heals popping up

and then an enmasse of fragments drops

[open verge]

Doesn’t seem too bad

[dim sigil]

It is what feels like a realistic goal while still being a grind really I just want to get samuari, Dragoon and White Mage completely augmented

[bold condor]

You know I feel like the Magus Sisters might be like Calcabrina where we fight the trio in the initial stage of the battle and then Lunar Asura in the second phase. Since Lunar Primals don't actually require the Echo, there's no real reason why she'd need to be a trial.

Especially if we can down Lunar Bahamut with our Scion friends and a little dragon assist.

[subtle pasture]

Thavnairian aesthetique Asura would be p killer,

[stiff charm]

o-oh

i may have to go shower now

[boreal forge]

well, little dragon assist, is tiamat

and the scions are more powerful than any faction leader, tho idk about Hien power compared to the "new" scions after all the first thing

[soft gyro]

https://img.thaun.dev/955dg.png

good farm

[bold condor]

idk about more powerful than any faction leader, their abilities vary widely

Thancred is definitely several steps below the Warrior of Light, for example.

[heady shadow]

Raubahn has the ever present it would be different if he had both arms type deal

[bold condor]

Pretty much, and the other Scions with maybe the exception of Y'shtola and the definite exception of Estinien don't really have more than some general talent in their respective skillsets as far as we're aware.

[severe brook]

I could see that, the threat of tempering could also justify Anima being a full Trial later if she is the core of the Garlean Tempering as has been speculated.
Though personally, I think we’ll have Magus Sisters as a full dungeon boss and then they’ll summon Lunar Asura as the first trial.

[bold condor]

My problem is that I just don't see how Lunar Asura is A. more of a threat than Lunar Bahamut and B. connects significantly to the overall plot of the story. Which is why I'd prefer the slot go to a trial that has MSQ relevance, preferably so much so that they haven't shown it to us at all yet.

[heady shadow]

that joke of estinien having to nerf himself for the dungeons to think of the other scions is funny xD

[bold condor]

Frankly, if Anima is one trial, then the other two trials should belong to Fandaniel, Zenos, Zodiark, or Hydaelyn.

No amount of interesting mechanics or nice music and aesthetics would make me feel less let down by wasting the slot on "this was in FFIV so here it is."

[severe brook]

A. Would have only just been summoned and would not be softened up by Tiamat and Estinien
B. Would have story relevance if the Magus Sisters were, say, major Npcs in Thavnair before getting tempered and made to act against us, summoning their god as the last and mightiest of the Lunar Primals for us to fight.

[bold condor]

A does not teach us anything new. We already know Lunar Primals are a threat and not being softened up by Estinien doesn't change anything we already know about them. B, well, it's Thavnair, even if it's relevant to Endwalker in the MSQ, I don't think it really deserves to have a trial more than any of the Ancient zones we've seen like Mare Lamentorum or the floating isles.

[severe brook]

Though you have a fair point. And they could just as easily have Anima be the first trial, and save the others for more central things.

Such as
1: Anima
2: Zenodiark
3: Cause of the Final Days (or vice versa for these latter two)

[bold condor]

After they messed with the placement of the second trial for story reasons last time, I'm hoping, legitimately hoping, that they just do not adhere to the idea that there HAS to be a trial 3 levels in.

[heady shadow]

they said the final trial is something we never seen before right?

[bold condor]

Did they? I don't remember that at all.

[severe brook]

I think all we’ve heard concrete about the final boss trial is it’s not Fandaniel

I do still hold to my old theory that every X.0 final trial is something Optional from earlier games

[heady shadow]

it was something other people been typing. I know about fandaniel not being it.

[severe brook]

You may be thinking of the Silvertear presence or how the raids have been described to have original enemies

[bold condor]

Feels like a semantic thing. The final boss is always a character already built up in the story beforehand first, and happens to be an optional boss from past FF games second.

[heady shadow]

when it comes to silvertear presence i already know they soft retconned it and had a concept art for it.

I mostly wonder if they are gonna use that concept for the final trial instead

[severe brook]

I agree, but currently the only stuff I have keeping my speculation from baselessness is the foundation of existing games

Because otherwise I have a dartboard of possible final bosses labeled “Zenodiark” “Zodiark aka Innocence 2” “Hydaelyn” “LavosTM” and “Nothing but the pure sweet fat of the Zenos”

[pastel coyote]

Add jenova

[bold condor]

Honestly, if anything were to happen to take it away from Zodiark or Hydaelyn, it'd be Zenos combining himself with whatever caused the Final Days.

[severe brook]

Jenova fits under LavosTM

[bold condor]

Know what I just hope, though?

[severe brook]

A part of me almost feels it’d be fitting if the cause of the final days was the second trial and the last trial was then still Zenodiark

[bold condor]

This is kind of a weird thing to hope for but I would very much like Zenos, however we fight him, to get his own, unique, and iconic theme song that isn't necessarily just a straight remix of the Endwalker themes. Preferably with vocals. Give him the "One-Winged Angel" treatment.

[severe brook]

Because Endwalker looks to already be about the consequences/aftereffects outlasting the initial threat

[heady shadow]

heres my take, i dont think zenos, or some fusion of zodi would be final trials.
I'd see that more as the 89 trial if anything.

Make Lavos final days presence eat Zodiark and hydaelyn then fuck off to Mars.

[severe brook]

You get Worm’s Tail 2

[pastel coyote]

Or just give him a remix of the wol theme ?

[severe brook]

That would be nice though. The original leitmotif for him.

[bold condor]

Phase 1 Tempest, Phase 2 original theme song.

[severe brook]

The only issue is that if we have Zenodiark be the 89 trial then the Final Days Instigator leaves to another realm to be the 90 trial, then it’s basically a Shadowbringers redux

[bold condor]

(This is "Tempest," it's a battle remix of "Meteor" which is Nael and Zenos's shared leitmotif) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DX3qIf4EDc

[severe brook]

Because you kill the apparent final threat only for the real cause of everything to remind you he exists and goad you to come after it elsewhere

[pastel coyote]

Mix up maker ruin with some garlemald shit.... nah it will not work..... unless.....

[bold condor]

No. The final boss needs to be something that we've already been given knowledge about directly.

[severe brook]

I’m not disputing that, I just don’t think it’ll be what Scree suggested

[bold condor]

Ahh.

Final Days instigator doesn't work unless a character is grounding it. This was the problem Zeromus and Necron have.

If Necron was a form Kuja took, it'd have been a better final boss for that story. Still kind of dull but understandable.

[severe brook]

Because that suggestion is essentially:
Vauthry = Zenos
Light = Zodiark
Mt. Gulf = The Moon
Hades = Final Days
Tempest = Mars

[bold condor]

Mars? What.

[severe brook]

heres my take, i dont think zenos, or some fusion of zodi would be final trials.
I'd see that more as the 89 trial if anything.
Make Lavos final days presence eat Zodiark and hydaelyn then fuck off to Mars.

[heady shadow]

someone disagreed with me that ardbert and emet was gonna follow us around most of shb and guess what xD

I mostly said the last bit in jest.

[severe brook]

It is impossible to format on mobile dear lord

I realize the last part was in jest but the rest sounded serious, sorry

[bold condor]

Nostradamus over here. Anyway, my reasoning is mostly faith in the writers to know what'll make an ending satisfying instead of "oh, well, I guess cosmic entity happens."

[pastel coyote]

Mars ? From golden sun ?

[severe brook]

...Mt. Gulf
Three days until computer is back, three days until computer is back...

[bold condor]

You know? Like, people say Lavos or Jenova mostly jokingly, but really that would be the worst-case scenario for a Final Boss.

Lavos works in Chrono Trigger because they established the Day of Lavos in the first act of that story. And the whole story is focused around averting it.

[heady shadow]

the only part serious was zenos and zodi fusion not being the level 90.

Unless they juke us and give us a second 8.0 trial.

[severe brook]

I was one of the Lavos proponents but I thought it’d be the overarching threat for expansions afterwards. I agree it’d be unsatisfying now, since they seem to want to wrap it up completely this expansion.

[bold condor]

And Jenova may or may not even have her own will anymore, and is probably more a commentary on how humans use and interpret power for their personal ends.

Sephiroth buys wholly into the idea that he's Jenova's son, and Jenova is an Ancient, therefore humanity is the enemy, but he's actually the son of the person he has the most contempt for in the world and Jenova is a horrible alien parasite.

[severe brook]

Partly what id been thinking, that future expansions would involve seeing how other civilizations and peoples react to the real Final Days after the recreation through Zodiark is gone.
Obviously that won’t happen now.

[pine epoch]

Rom you and me both have similar thoughts on Zenos boss music and how his phase 1 should def be Tempest

[heady shadow]

the bets thing they could do is Aliens.

or a Return of Allag

[bold condor]

Sephiroth's delusional, basically. Which actually is one of the interesting contrasts between him and Zenos. The latter is definitely mad, but he's got no illusions about who and what he is.

[severe brook]

Rom have I told you of “Sephiroth is Tyler Durden”

[bold condor]

It's also the main contrast between Zenos and the other villains in the game, who are all on some level deluding themselves into believing a lie about how they can and should control the world.

[severe brook]

Knows enough to see that the world has issues. Proceeds to turn to violence and narcissism in response instead of actually trying to help people, becoming a culmination of the society that made him in his attempted rejection of it.

[bold condor]

Zenos has no interest in control, just wants to satisfy his own desires and refuses to take an interest in anything beyond himself.

[severe brook]

Zenos also arguably fits this pattern, though not as clearly

[bold condor]

That's pretty good.

[pine epoch]

Technically speaking rom to play devil's advocate. Each expansion has a rising act a middle act and a finale act. That I have faith whatever the end boss is wont just be thrown out of nowhere.

[bold condor]

I know, but the endboss is always something established to exist beforehand.

[pastel coyote]

Well we did hear a sound at the end of 5.55, so whatever cause it is established

[bold condor]

With exception to Nael, being the first villain and therefore incapable of having the same degree of build-up, we have Gaius (and Lahabrea, if less directly) seeded in 1.0, Thordan and Nidhogg seeded as early as 1.0 and 2.0, etc.

[severe brook]

https://tenor.com/view/ocelot-youre-pretty-good-video-game-gif-11543511

[stiff charm]

we are gonna get one winged angel i promise

[pine epoch]

All I know is one of the plot points they shoved down our throat is "what caused the final days?" Whether or not it will be the final boss who knows

[pastel coyote]

What was the field of the last Fandaniel ?

[pine epoch]

We dont know

I have my theory. But we dont know

[pastel coyote]

Maybe he was a miner and wanted to become the drill that will pierce the heavens

[severe brook]

Fandaniel is Earth element in XII...

[stiff charm]

zenos eats hydaelyn and gets a single sin eater wing

DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN

[pastel coyote]

please don't

[pine epoch]

My personal theory is he researched the soul mind and body.

This led to fandaniel inadvertently causing the final days

[bold condor]

I don't think the previous Fandaniel will be immediately important if my theming is correct.

[pine epoch]

That is my theory

[heady shadow]

you want to know a theory that i saw that seems wayy to weird?

[bold condor]

What he and Zenos have in common is being unbound by the past.

[heady shadow]

mwhahahahahaha

[bold condor]

They have no reverence for it, nor are they concerned for the future.

And while this obviously makes them both contrasts to everyone we've met, be it Ancients, Ascians, or Scions...

It also means that any amount of backstory spent explaining that "oh, Fandaniel is this way because his past life actually caused this" just undermines him.

It'd be like if Azem was the only reason you did anything.

[severe brook]

“Venat will fully eject herself from Sharlayan’s artificial sun and possess Yotsuyu’s corpse”

[bold condor]

Fandaniel's contempt for the unsundered and "moldering memories" should signify that whatever the former Fandaniel was, he doesn't want to be that.

The only words we have from that guy are "bring honor to the seat of" and our Fandaniel is most certainly not doing that.

[deft burrow]

Elidibus is the exact opposite of Venat despite being the heart of her respective primal

Which is weirdly poetic

[bold condor]

idk about exact opposite. Elidibus and Venat seem similar more than different, really.

[severe brook]

Yeah my guess is the Fandaniel we know is much more based on his present self (or perhaps the absence of his present self) compared to his past self.

[pastel coyote]

Well maybe the former fandaniel was a fan of vtuber, i could understand why he would want to die

[severe brook]

Asahi is just Fandaniel’s Vtuber Avatar

[pine epoch]

But ya. The whole point is fuck the past. Live for the moment in one grand finale

[deft burrow]

Seems stupid

[pastel coyote]

Sound fun

[pine epoch]

But it doesnt stop having dumb theories. One of the big things was explaining shards and past loves are not the same people. Everyone experiences shapes them differently

[deft burrow]

The one thing I'm concerned with is how they are going to top this finale afterwards through new stories, what could possibly be more entertaining or big as the entire world being destroyed

[pastel coyote]

Destroy the universe

[deft burrow]

Ah

[pine epoch]

By detoxing the story

[bold condor]

Just bring the stakes back down a bit. Pull it back enough to build up to the next high.

[deft burrow]

Yeah, but will that work?

[pastel coyote]

Or becoming the king of pirate when we go to the new world

[bold condor]

Absolutely, yes.

[pine epoch]

This is story telling in a nutshell

[deft burrow]

Well in story telling this would be the end and the book would finish

[pine epoch]

The only people it doesn't work for are people who are thrill seekers and only want ever greater highs

[severe brook]

Works decent enough for most fantasy games with well-received sequels

[severe brook]

And that’s why those people are the final boss of this expansion

[deft burrow]

There's a lot more we could go into and if they keep the same quality story telling then its fine

[severe brook]

The next expansion will almost certainly be lower stakes than this one, but it will probably still have stakes and be engaging

[deft burrow]

Well I'd hope so

[severe brook]

Or we can just Tigtone it

[deft burrow]

I'm more interested in fleshing out the entire world, that being Meracydia and the New World

[severe brook]

“No Stakes? THEN I WOULD PUT THE ENTIRE WORLD AT STAKE!”

[pine epoch]

6.1-7.0 are like 99% going to be like ARR2

They will be far more grounded down to earth

[severe brook]

My guess is Meracydia for 7.0. Or maybe Eorzea 2 assuming EnW doesn’t serve that role

[pastel coyote]

From the moon we were able to see somehow the new world and meracydia but we didn't see the whole star and it will be quite a waste to just discover than the rest is just water

[severe brook]

Leviathan: “From the bottom of my heart, my bad”

[pine epoch]

We arent able to see the full design of the new world and meracydia. The concept art of the moon. On the planet there is a north america USA section looking landmass.

[deft burrow]

Yeah

[pine epoch]

And on it there is a florida. So fantasy florida man exist

[brisk quail]

Man. Imagine if we just get to do small chores again

Like killing bandits. Escorting people. Delivering jewelery

[stiff charm]

new players: "i dont wanna do these chores, when do i fight bosses"
ew enjoyers: "when can i do chores again"

[brisk quail]

I'm tired of killing gods every 100 quests

I wanna be a normal person again

[stiff charm]

no same i agree

[brisk quail]

Heck

I'd also be down to everyone not knowing us. Like us going into hiding

Like oh shit it's Eikon ender, Godslayer, Ender of Lines, Slayer of Ascians, Feller of the Garlean Empire... AKA; Warrior of Light

[stiff charm]

"we bear their scorn or watch them die" scions have to deal with pretending they killed wol so we can be normal again

[brisk quail]

6.1 WoL Retires

[turbid aspen]

still not a full year after their adventuring start

[crystal arrow]

Late reply but having the stakes constantly upped and upped will exhaust potential antagonists very quickly, i.e. how wow did that with legion and bfa

In the span of legion and bfa they got rid of: the burning legion, the extremely op leader of the burning legion, the naga, an artificial old god, a real old god, the emerald nightmare, and more

all of which could probably have been expacs of their own, but due to them rising the stakes constantly they exhausted all of them in the span of 4 years, it'd be bad for ffxiv to do the same

WOW wrote itself into such a narrative corner that it had to completely invent a new dimension to fill an expansion, it'd be nice to have a good lull in the story, maybe deal with some just pure politics instead of Another World Ending Event

[next quarry]

stealer of pants

[severe brook]

I feel like Meracydia could be a fitting continuation. Have them try to make a move or request aid after the final days harms them further, motivating us to go over

[crystal arrow]

eorzea and the world has had some wild shit happen in the span of a year, it's okay if they give us a bit to take a breather and put together the pieces again - especially since a shitton of garleans will be displaced

[next quarry]

when was the last time anyone heard anything from meracydia

[crystal arrow]

May help to explain why tiamat is absent in the EW trailer - she goes back there and tries to unfuck things

[severe brook]

We have the plot hook of Tiamat returning there with her remaining brood to rebuild just from this most recent patch

[placid sail]

in Shadowbringers we were technically saving the Source as well, but it never felt like that, it always felt like we were savin the First despite being complete strangers to it

[crystal arrow]

they could have 6.1-6.3 be resettling of garleans/repairs after the final days, and then the rest of the expac be setup for meracydia - there's probably some weird shit going on there

[placid sail]

they can do a story about saving Meracydia or the New World from whatever threat that doesn't threaten Eorzea

[gaunt star]

Zenos helped with that, killing his father

[placid sail]

I've thought about that scene, because it should've played out the exact same way in the original timeline

but in the original timeline Elidibus had Emet-Selch, so my guess is they teamed up to take Zenos out

and then probably just possessed Varis to carry out the Black Rose plan

[swift rune]

you just hang out at costa del sol after finishing up a world-ending threat, and the next patches are just you doing various beach activities

[gaunt star]

garlean restoration lets go

[placid sail]

that's what the moonfire faire is

[buoyant dome]

okay, so is it mentioned elsewhere how the Diablo Armament came to be? i read through its page in the records but is it implied that there is more than 1 diablo?

[stiff charm]

it is an empty vessel

[dusk drift]

... it says in its documents that the Allagans made it

[stiff charm]

but probably has some info from diabolos in it, just not diabolos itself

[buoyant dome]

so they someone managed to replicate some of his magics?

[severe brook]

The records are more implying there are other Cyborg Voidsent Vessels around, but there’s only one Diablo.
And yeah they were all made by Allag as alternatives to Ultima

My guess is they used some of Diablo’s flesh or aether or something as the material for the Armament’s organic components, so that the physical body would be almost identical to his full power once he was bound into it.

[crystal arrow]

I don't think it's empty, they probably put some other voidsent in there or they cloned diabolos for it and it gained sentience on its own

[severe brook]

One vague thought I had was that whatever was left of Diabolos’ soul went into the Armament after he died in Dun Scaith and laid dormant in there until the present

I have no real backing for this beyond it being a possible interpretation of the in-fight dialogue

[crystal arrow]

ehh I doubt it, I didn't get the impression from the field notes that it was planned for diabolos' to... willingly inhabit it

so I doubt diabolos knew of its existence, even

it does say that they included the bonds they used to seal tiamat and the other dragons in the construction of the armament

[buoyant dome]

i forgot but was he sealed or just hanging out in amdapor before you came in?

[subtle pasture]

The mages of Amdapor sealed him within the Circle of Dreams during the, well, the Battle of Amdapor, which was the final major battle of the War of the Magi,

Considering his ultimate plan and how he was able to utilize the Circle for what was apparently his own ability (Diabolic Gate) shows it, prob wasn't as much of a cage as they thought

I'll say it again, did not expect Bozja to end with a Shadows of Mhach callback

--and yeah I'll consider Lost City of Amdapor/Amdapor Keep to be parts of Shadows of Mhach, they effectively are

[bold condor]

Same, honestly.

Really fun moment when I ran Shadows of Mhach with my newbie friend and he was like "Diabolos is back!?"

[brisk quail]

Diabolos is gone

[buoyant dome]

when i first saw that thing, Diabolos was one thing that crossed my mind, but also a bit of Ultima from the last Ivalice raid

[swift rune]

they did a mhach callback and still managed to encapsulate into a huge Ogre Battle reference

[brisk quail]

The allagans just decided to do something dumb and create a weapon around him

[swift rune]

that's rad

[brisk quail]

As allagans do. 9/10 of their creations are hyper dangerous world destroying weapons, beings ect.

[subtle pasture]

The part where the Armament was able to break Ultima proof restraints,

[brisk quail]

[subtle pasture]

then again, an entire Weapons series designed to be better than Ultima Weapon

--of which there were only 4 models, but still

[crystal arrow]

it annoys me to shit because the notes are like "weeeeell maybe it rivals the ultima weapon in power idk" when it very clearly does

[brisk quail]

Allagans and World Destroying beings, weapons or voidsent match like tea and cookies

[buoyant dome]

also, is there any speculation around how we are going to the moon? have not done any research but wouldn't be surprised if if was with the void arc and that that whole raid series would be a mandatory thing like with crystal tower

[brisk quail]

Ancient Allagan ships

[swift rune]

it's always allagan unless proven otherwise

[subtle pasture]

Also the part where it was named the "Diablo Armament" bc you just know "Devil Weapon" ended up on the cutting room floor

[crystal arrow]

The void ark was not meant to leave the atmosphere soooo we'd kinda suffocate

[brisk quail]

The void ark was VERY unsealed and open to the air

Like it's not meant for space travel

[subtle pasture]

The Mhachi Ark was just an airship, yeah, essentially

[buoyant dome]

yeah, now that i think about it, there is that whole area where you fight those morbols

[swift rune]

ogre battle spoilers ||the final boss of ogre battle is diablo and the final quest name is march of the bloody queen just like ogre battle's subtitle is march of the black queen||

[crystal arrow]

idk why people forget how open the void ark was

[buoyant dome]

i just saw big dorito ship and for some reason thought it was the void arc

[brisk quail]

There's like holes and open things everywhere

Even on the first encounter with the water ray

[buoyant dome]

im sure the ironworks guys can seal that thing up

[brisk quail]

You're gonna need like 200 metric tons of glass

[crystal arrow]

we literally land in the void ark through a hole in the outer shell and have to do poison control in one of the open ventilation fans

void ark looks extremely different from the ship in the art, anyways

[buoyant dome]

why did i think it looked like a dorito? I know i have seen that image before

[placid sail]

because of the endwalker art?

[iron scaffold]

looks more like a USB then a Dorito

[brisk quail]

Again. It's likely gonma be an ancient allagan ship

[placid sail]

there's a theory that the void ark will take us to the moon but I don't buy that

[crystal arrow]

I'm betting on a ragnarok class, or at least something of a similar shape

[brisk quail]

Since we saw what looked like allagna ship/ruins on the moon

[crystal arrow]

we literally just talked about why that won't be remotely possible

[placid sail]

ok

[brisk quail]

So thw allagans TOTALLY have/had space faring capabilites

[crystal arrow]

100%, they got dalamud into orbit after all, and probably had to travel back and forth

[iron scaffold]

yes

[deft burrow]

We're not using the void ark lmao

[swift rune]

Have you seen the bit with sicinius in Bozja, it kinda explains why he was taken to bounty hunters

[deft burrow]

void ark is some side story stuff that isn't related to the msq in any way

at least when it comes to right now

[placid sail]

don't bring it up, they literally just talked about it, so you cannot bring it up again

[deft burrow]

ok good

[swift rune]

Basically, Sicinius experimented on captives when Gabranth decreed that experiments of any kind are forbidden unless the subject's safety is assured in every way. And Sicinius just went and did some wicked shit. So it explains why the last field notes are showing Lyon and Pagaga giving him out to bounty hunters

[crystal arrow]

what you said was completely ignoring the conversation that just occurred

[iron scaffold]

he had it coming

[swift rune]

I still believe Gabranth used his research on transferring memories to vessels in order to bypass his deadly disease

[subtle pasture]

9 months after the battle of Zadnor

The other part is how Noah's notes are incredibly sus talking about Lyon's accomplice and gives the sense their identity is unknown and coulda been a body double

...then Lyon's notes just say it was Papaga.

[brisk quail]

Like you can't deny that is 100% allagan tech/design

[iron scaffold]

But lets get to the biggest red herring on the field notes; "the six months later time skip"

[swift rune]

What do you mean it was pagaga

oops wrong reply sorry

oh the accomplice is pagaga, right

[brisk quail]

Papaga on the MOON

[subtle pasture]

--I assume that was for me, Lyon's notes mention the accomplice to break him out of gaol and go with him to Castrum Valnaini was Papaga,

[crystal arrow]

For sure, but frankly I doubt that they'd just casually spoil the way we got to the moon like this - tbh it kind of reminds me of an escape pod, wonder if someone or something escaped from dalamud before it entered the atmosphere

[swift rune]

well, if there is ever a beastmaster job i hope lyon and pepega are in it

[subtle pasture]

I was sayin' how Noah's notes about the incident are vague about the accomplice, and with the whole section about if his death was real or not, gave me the vibe that Lyon entered with someone else, and left with Noah

[swift rune]

yeah for sure it makes sense now

[brisk quail]

oh nooo. The USB stick with recordings of bahamuts aether. This is fine. It just crashed on the moon. No one will notice

[swift rune]

still, I think it was his real body, but no one has seen his face so

[elder moth]

Tbh it reminds me more of one of the keys of Dalamud.

[subtle pasture]

9 months actually, 6 months after is Lyon's jailbreak and Noah's assassination, 3 months from that is Sicinius' turning in by Lyon and Papaga

[crystal arrow]

Yes, those are space ships

[elder moth]

Ah! Major misunderstanding on my part then. I assumed that they were just used to seal it, rather than also transport folks

[crystal arrow]

iirc they were used for both, to keep the prison sealed and to get dalamud up there

[gaunt star]

Well I wouldn't be surprised if one of the ships got yeeted at the moon by bahamut breaking apart dalamud

[subtle pasture]

Though Lyon served six months of his sentence,
Then, three months after the fall of his former legion,

[crystal arrow]

yeah that's what I was thinking, seems more likely than that thing in particular being how we get there

[brisk quail]

Im not saying that's the ship we use

[subtle pasture]

Zadnor concludes > Lyon is blamed, charged, and imprisoned > 6 months > broken out, kills Noah > IVth crumbles > 3 months > Sicinius is turned in by Lyon

[swift rune]

It was then that events took another unexpected turn, as the Beast King Lyon—taking extreme umbrage at being held responsible for the IVth's defeat
I don't believe it, clearly a setup
he snuck into the chamber where Gabranth lay wounded in the dead of night.
this one is weird, it's saying he was already wounded before Lyon came here
the provisional government approved the repatriation of the vast majority of the IVth's rank-and-file soldiers as free citizens, electing not to try them for their crimes on the battlefield.
I wonder if Gabranth did this so his legion wouldn't fight to the end and be destroyed

[crystal arrow]

never said you did

[brisk quail]

I'm more saying the allagans probably have a space port

[iron scaffold]

So this can be consider canon

[brisk quail]

A launch pad for their space faring ships that we just find

And go hey cid. Wanna spray paint a ironworks logo on this perfectly good ship?

[swift rune]

In some ways, I believe Gabranth had achieved a kind of egalitarian society in Bozja, though he's not leading it

[brisk quail]

Cid: oh boy, would I!

[swift rune]

I don't know if the idea that they would implement some of the imperial laws int he constitution to happen in every routes of Zadnor

[subtle pasture]

See I think Noah's turnaround mostly, if it did, came from Bajsaljen's copying of IVth Legion tenets into the new government, seeing Bozja reborn into his new nation and, just... letting it be

--but yeah I am sus as fuck too

[brisk quail]

Remember. If we don't see the body they aren't dead

[swift rune]

At least, his laws seemed to have had some form of effectiveness to the point that Bozja effectively couldn't ignore what the IVth legion brought

[subtle pasture]

6 months for the disease to claim him is accurate, at least. Basch fell incredibly swiftly

[brisk quail]

[subtle pasture]

--presumably, at least.

[swift rune]

I wonder if it was Basch in the armor

if they could have preserved his body

not like they have DNA forensics anyway

i wonder how old was Basch van Gabranth when he succumbed

[crystal arrow]

ngl the culty vibes from a lot of the IVth are still super weird to me

[iron scaffold]

didn't siscus found a way to mass-produce copies

[swift rune]

They really believe in Gabranth, and it seems like a lot of people really turned their life around under him

The IVth legion is all voluntary conscription, so it seems they wanted to be a part of it.

and it's the only one that wasn't racist about it iirc

whereas other legions would only accept them under huge bouts of merits that garleans didn't have to go through, either that or it was forced

[gaunt star]

Watch them be the same person like the Ashe situation

[crystal arrow]

wouldn't say that, all they've said is that it's the one legion with the highest pop of non-pureblood garleans

[gaunt star]

[swift rune]

afaik Gabranth is not pureblood either

[gaunt star]

hes not

[swift rune]

and maybe the only non-pureblood to achieve Van status in the military

[gaunt star]

most of his legion isnt of pureblood afaik

[swift rune]

from what we've seen in Bozja, it does fit

Gabranth is also ruthless but I still believe Bozja was a freak situation under menenius

it all went to shit fast because they really didn't want to disappoint their dear leader

[forest magnet]

Originally Yotsuyu was the highest ranking non-pureblood and now it's Gabranth who's about as high as you can get without being royalty

[crystal arrow]

very much not a big fan of how they tried to humanize menenius at the end there, tbh

[iron scaffold]

So Lyon must had a alternative motive for capturing Sicinus

[swift rune]

And yet, he could not simply order a complete withdrawal, lest the Eastern alliance immediately swoop in and attack them from Bozja as well as Doma. Until such time as they were able to muster their full strength in Dalmasca, they had to hold strong on the Bozjan and Nagxian fronts.

This was the task entrusted to Menenius—to preserve a stalemate here and buy needed time by whatever means necessary. It was not a glorious task, but it was one the tribunus accepted willingly.

To this end, Menenius devised multiple stratagems. First among them involved employing the legendary might of Save the Queen and its powers of tempering. So it was that Misija gave her life for the cause, delivering a great blow to the Resistance.

It does seem everything that happened is just Menenius wilding the fuck out on this one

[crystal arrow]

no? dude was a piece of shit who did experimentation on PoWs and other nasty stuff, lyon hated him

[subtle pasture]

Highest military official we've met who is not pureblood is, well, the Gabranths, but after that is Rhitahtyn and Menenius,

Yotsuyu is the highest public official we've met, but Acting Viceroy still isn't terribly high

[iron scaffold]

but still a genius

[crystal arrow]

what does that even mean lol

"oh yeah this dude committed horrible fucking atrocities but he was super smart"

[swift rune]

As he considered this, Menenius realized with a sinking feeling that his suspicions were on target. Here in Bozja, so long as Bajsaljen occupied a position of leadership, Noah's ultimate goal would be realized. But what of Dalmasca? More populous than Bozja, and with its various factions far from united, the future was far from certain. Knowing Noah, he doubtless already understood this, and had already deployed a pawn to guide Dalmasca in his desired direction...

oh what

Gabranth wanted this?

[brisk quail]

Garleans only permit testing/experimentation on live subjects if safety is guaranteed or if it'd save their life.

[swift rune]

Noah van Gabranth. Young Noah, who Legatus Basch entrusted to him, whose life his father-in-law Lucius risked his life to protect—was this all Menenius could do now? To loyally assist as his legatus threw his own life away?

Lyon assured him that Noah's mind was already made up. Still, Menenius could not fully accept it. Is this truly the answer?

[brisk quail]

Sinicus was just an absolute dick.

oh nooo you're dying. Time to spike you up on meds

[swift rune]

So basically Menenius acted out of line?

[crystal arrow]

that went out the window with aulus and his hypertuned, huh

[subtle pasture]

Yeah, Basch is the reason Menenius is a Lanatus, Lucius married Menenius's mother out of Basch's urging

Tbf, Aulus was also under the table, Zenos specifically picked him for it, but he kept that shit underwraps while he was at the Imperial Magitek Academy

[brisk quail]

But it helped Noah significantly so he or Lyon, kinda turned a blind eye. That's why Lyon so quickly turned him in

[crystal arrow]

I mean... do we know that gabranth knew,

[brisk quail]

Iirc no?

[crystal arrow]

not sure gabranth would approve of what sicinius did to dabog

[brisk quail]

I'd agree

[swift rune]

What am I reading here is that Gabranth was really interested in seeing how the resistance leaders would act after the liberation of their lands, and that Menenius knew he would be satisfied with Balsaljen's leadership

[crystal arrow]

or what the other guy did (llofii's ex boss) to magical creatures like the monoceros

[subtle pasture]

-wait where's that phrasing from

[swift rune]

Menenius' second field note

[subtle pasture]

Young Noah, who Legatus Basch entrusted to him, whose life his father-in-law Lucius risked his life to protect—was this all Menenius could do now?

[swift rune]

https://ffxivcollect.com/records/45

[iron scaffold]

Mess up as he was he did produce results, yes he had to answer for his crime but he was the only person who could save Noah and if I was Lyon I would take that chance to use him then dispose of him after.

[subtle pasture]

...Father-in-law isn't, the right wording for that.

Lucius wasn't his in-law, he was his stepfather

[swift rune]

Sicinius was turned it 9 months later, he probably outlived his usefulness if Gabranth had plans for him

[crystal arrow]

oor lyon told him that shit and gabranth told him to go do it

[subtle pasture]

Menenius didn't marry into House Lanatus, his mother did

And his first note says Lucius adopted him so he's just, a son of house lanatus

[iron scaffold]

alot can happen within those months, namely the last 3 months.

[swift rune]

In the IVth Imperial Legion, testing is only permitted upon living men when their safety is absolutely assured, and be it friend or foe, all individuals are to be treated with compassion. Thus has the legatus himself decreed. Perverting his commander's noble intent for his own ends, Sicinius reasoned that he was saving a man's life, and proceeded with his testing in secret.
clearly says Sicinius acted against Gabranth's order

[crystal arrow]

actually shit, wild theory time equips tinfoil hat gabranth was into memory transfer and stuff yeah? maybe he transferred himself into lyon or smth

[brisk quail]

Sinicus: stabbing 24 diffrent serums into a mans beating heart "Yeah I'm saving lives baybeeee"

[subtle pasture]

It's probably in Zadnor when he expanded his Dabog project, yeah

"Saving" Dabog is one thing, converting every hrothgar PoW is..... y-yeah

[crystal arrow]

If you do the skirmish with the dabog clones sicinius basically says he vivisected the original dabog after the duel

[swift rune]

I think Gabranth knew the IVth legion was done for after going rogue

the lack of supplies coming from Garlemald would have done them in

[subtle pasture]

Me, still stuck on being bothered the note calls Lucius his father-in-law:

[crystal arrow]

A few things I'm still wondering, though:

1. how did the IVth get their hands on the dalriada,

2. how did they know where the DA was buried

[brisk quail]

1. I don't fucking know. Ships fly

2. I still don't fucking know. Pure luck.

[swift rune]

for 2 they had archeological expeditions

[iron scaffold]

lets not forget the two other relics

[crystal arrow]

I figured it was kinda implied that the dalriada was originally in the hands of the XIVth to transport ultima, so how tf did they get it lol

[subtle pasture]

The reason they moved their forces to Zadnor, esp the Dalriada, was for the Armament's excavation, yeah.

[brisk quail]

I meam

The thing is made to move/service ultima. A diablo weapon would kinda fit

[subtle pasture]

Garlemald already had experience from excavating Ultima in Ala Mhigo, yeah.

...or the XIVth did, at least, but I mean Aulus's Hypertuning had also moved out of the XIIth

[brisk quail]

It's like calling a tow truck for your car

[kind lark]

For the second one, maybe there is a bozjan record of the DA being there?

[brisk quail]

You know the tow truck is made to help a car. So if you need help. Why not call a tow truck? Why call a tug boat?

[subtle pasture]

Oh yeah that too, it seemed Allag intended to test it on the early Bozjans, so maybe Zadnor was formerly its laboratory site, but then the Fourth Umbral happened

[crystal arrow]

all the DA notes say is that it was buried under zadnor potentially with the intent of razing bozja with it by the allagans, and that there may be more like it buried there - doesn't say how they knew, tho

[distant sonnet]

Hmm.

[crystal arrow]

man it would've been neat if we fought the DA in some wrecked subterranean allagan lab instead

[brisk quail]

I mean. We kinda did?

The bottom area of the arena has Allagan wreckage

[subtle pasture]

It remains to be seen if more such weapons lie buried beneath the plateaus of Zadnor.
Tbf, this phrasing moreso means they haven't ruled out there being other weapons under Zadnor, not that they know there's others,

[kind lark]

Just spitballing here, maybe there was a escaped armament.

[subtle pasture]

I'm mostly mad we got no Dalriada lore, like a ship that unique in design???

[distant sonnet]

Scathach Armament: Please look forward to it.

[iron scaffold]

clearly a newer model

[stiff charm]

robofuckers finally get their time to shine

[swift rune]

The IVth is oft regarded as anomalous and eccentric among the Empire's legions, and with good reason—for it is the only one to count a greater number of foreigners than native-born Garleans among its ranks. This includes the legatus himself, who has made it his policy to accept any and all capable individuals into his company. So long as the individual in question swears loyalty to the Empire, the IVth welcomes their contributions, regardless of race, gender, or country of origin. Ability and results delivered are valued above all—a true meritocracy. Gabranth applied a similar philosophy to the provinces under his rule, eschewing the traditional Garlean approach and tailoring his style of governance to suit the people of each individual region. Emperor Solus found this most admirable, though it is said Emperor Varis was far more skeptical—believing it a sign that Gabranth harbored lofty and dangerous aspirations ill befitting his station.
It's so funny Solus was cool with Gabranth's approach and Varis, as always, just said no

[subtle pasture]

Prima Vista has an EE2 entry saying a Bangaa was able to be sent to Garlemald to work on it, and is one of the few beastfolk privileged to do so

like I was hopin' for similar on the Dalriada orz

Tbf, Solus prob did bc it'd likely sow chaos down the line

Same man who funded the Prima Vista's troupe that went on to make a lot of anti-military works

[iron scaffold]

Solus was a Odd Ball and a fan of the Theatrics

[swift rune]

Where the Empire abhorred the onmyoji─often based on misguided principles─Gabranth saw untapped potential, which is why he offered Yamatsumi a place at his side. The Doman fugitive was understandably apprehensive until he came to learn of Gabranth's goals to not only reclaim Doma from the Empire, but ultimately build a prosperous new nation in Dalmasca. Gabranth was not at all the cruel, callous imperial Yamatsumi presumed him to be, and his earnestness proved enough for the onmyoji to pledge his services to the IVth Legion.
Huh, Gabranth was going to reclaim Doma from the Empire too

which I assume was before Doma's liberation by Hien

[brisk quail]

Here's a hella rough drawing that's partially a meme.

1. The daldria comes to check out the Armaent in the ruins

2. The Daldria picks up the armament and stores it inside to repair/study

3. They repair and study

4. The Bozjans fuck shit up and Amrmament breaks loose making the platform fall and the ship be on fire.

I am a r t i s t

[swift rune]

i...i saw something else

[brisk quail]

Explain

[iron scaffold]

is the purple thing DA?

[crystal arrow]

forgot step 5, where the DA says fuck it and flies up through the dalriada and nearly casts pseudoultima

[brisk quail]

Oh lemme draw that

[swift rune]

As he considered this, Menenius realized with a sinking feeling that his suspicions were on target. Here in Bozja, so long as Bajsaljen occupied a position of leadership, Noah's ultimate goal would be realized. But what of Dalmasca? More populous than Bozja, and with its various factions far from united, the future was far from certain. Knowing Noah, he doubtless already understood this, and had already deployed a pawn to guide Dalmasca in his desired direction...
Any idea what Gabranth's pawn in Dalmasca would be

Maybe he actually did die and entrusted his legacy into someone else

[iron scaffold]

Punish Gabranth

Venom Gabranth

[brisk quail]

Here's... this

Just like Matsuno envisioned

[crystal arrow]

art.

[swift rune]

The more I read it and the more I think Menenius and Lyon already knew what Gabranth wanted to do, and it involved Gabranth dying

but he had a plan that did not involve his rebirth, and Gabranth was very interested in learning what the resistance leaders would do after they liberated their homelands

I can't make sense of it, but it does seem Gabranth was not just a lying bastard about his dream of an egalitarian nation

and what happened in Bozja is fucked up, but it was Menenius getting so desperate he decided to not pull any punches. I wonder if Gabranth approved of his actions

Honestly their research division are a bunch of mad scientists, it doesn't make sense Gabranth didn't know they were doing cruel experimentds

All in all Gabranth is an interesting villain, we hardly see him but his sphere of influence is so wide, you get to know him through the people who loves him

and the fact that even Bozja leaders intend to implement imperial laws is proving he's not just a stain they can excise from their land

and while his dream of an egalitarian nation is betrayed by his actions, it does seem there is some truthful intent considering his own legion is diverse and accepting everyone regardless of age, race or origin. And that a lot of working-class & poor people seemed to have been better under him

I really hope this is not the last of him. I'd love to see an Ashe/Gabranth struggle. Restoring the old monarchy vs Gabranth's idea of a new nation

[pine epoch]

technically speaking Gabranth won Bozja in a roundabout way. With Bajsaljen using bits and pieces of the 4th legion government.

The man who sold the world

[wintry niche]

We see what seems to be fairly convincing evidence that life in Bozja really was better for a non-negligible number of people under the Empire.

Gabranth (both of them) were not entirely wrong in what they did.

[viscid monolith]

What do you mean

[wintry niche]

The issue is that the Empire is a mess and they're ultimately serving a vicious colonialist government. But they really did help people like Misija (and Bajsaljen, if you read the notes - the Empire arranged his education).

[gaunt star]

i mean they do take on the beliefs of the empire but they arent exactly tied with them

[severe brook]

My crack theory is its Ashe somehow

[swift rune]

Gabranth is Ashe?

[severe brook]

Also I don’t think Gabranth is truly dead yet, but he’s working with Lyon to purposefully “die” as a martyr to his cause so he can control the narrative around it, without it catching him by surprise.

[pine epoch]

mostly a reference about the fact Man who sold the world can be interpreted as someone selling the world a lie.

[severe brook]

That Ashe is Gabranth’s pawn

[swift rune]

hmm

[severe brook]

Or at least is the person he has trust in to make Dalmasca fit his ideals like he believes Bozja will

[viscid monolith]

There's no lie though. Baj is pretty open about it

[pine epoch]

was more so referring to Gabranth

[swift rune]

Gabranth is the enemy of the Ivalice region and surrounding territories but he seemed very concerned about how resistance groups would impose their laws upon the liberation of the land

as in, he expected these lands to be liberated at some point

and he seemed to have wanted for them to implement his plans for a more egalitarian society

which Balsaljen did do

it is even possible that his death, real or not, was to push the IVth legion to stop fighting in his name and end up being exterminated by resistance groups, which did happen, two thirds of the IVth legion ended up surviving and I think a lot of them were made citizens of the free territories

I don't know if he always planned it that way but Gabranth seems to have sold a lie

to what purpose, I don't know. If there is even a purpose about it. I don't think he is a good personl at all, but he seems at least he wanted to more insidiously federate the free lands into a similar banner of people living more equally

maybe the end goal is nefarious, I don't know what to make of it yet

At least his bigger issue at hand was Dalmasca, and he knew that they would not be able to implement anything from him considering the various factions that would jump at each other with the power vaccuum left in his wake

and I know he has a plan for it, maybe even in death

and I think this plays into Ashe coming back as the last surviving member of the royal bloodline

I really hope they continue this

[wintry niche]

The reins of history, back in the hands of Bozjans.

It does actually make sense.

[severe brook]

Gabranth becomes the real Undying

[gusty quest]

The Ghost of Gabranth

[swift rune]

That's almost some MGS plot

Maybe it was his way of having a fairer world in the same way the scions attempted to have one for eorzea

But with him as being seen and interpreted as the common enemy to unite against

Then again, you see him in the final cutscenes with relics so..

He had 30+ years to make a entire generation grow under him and prove his rule was better, so it stands to reason that if some aspects of his rule was working, liberated nations would not be able to pretend we can just bring back the nobles to run over commoners like in the past

[signal vault]

What is all of these walls of text

I dont understand

[rain onyx]

https://youtu.be/abTRxOM81Bc

I have that string of text as my search info.

I love traumatizing SB launch players who open up my search info

[chilly bluff]

TL;DR clench your fists, lean back, and scream Matsuno to the heavens.

[crystal arrow]

I could tell what this was and I didn't even experience this

[dim sigil]

I imagine if it would it could eat us in a instant

[chilly bluff]

I don’t know. I’m kind of stuck on Yoshida pointing specifically at Death Note. Says to me that there’s some sort of mutually beneficial thing going on.

[next quarry]

Could be a pact, like what xande did

inb4 reaper teacher is an allagan researcher

[open verge]

Would be cool if reaper spells chewed up your mp

[chilly bluff]

Give reaper specifically SB era Dark Arts

[gaunt star]

That's what the Avatar is
It's just dark arts

[stiff charm]

noah

[next quarry]

Rammbroes?

Would be like SMN quests, going around and researching Xande and allagan experiments with voidsent

[signal vault]

oh fuck

roulette prae

[next quarry]

But I do think at the very least Xande will be mentioned

[crystal arrow]

sooo like astral chain then?

[next quarry]

never played it

[torpid yoke]

good timesssss

[torpid yoke]

disgusting

[woven escarp]

actually, I don't remember seeing any voice credit for that cutscene in the 5.55 credits 🤔

I wonder if they left her uncredited so people don't figure out who the character is

the credits include scenes from the cutscene that occurs after the credits roll though

[torpid yoke]

dont have to reveal the character if you put them after the credits

whats the difference

[woven escarp]

minfilia 3.0 for extra cash shop glamour value

[torpid yoke]

she ded

[woven escarp]

ardbert was individually credited but we know he's a fragment of the PC

[torpid yoke]

PC now has a voice through ardbert

[signal vault]

PC ?

[woven escarp]

I wonder if that's why the WOL has gotten smarmier in the newer cutscenes

[woven escarp]

player character

the player isn't the only WOL, so when you're referring to the player you have to be specific here

[signal vault]

I mean PC has to deal with so much shit

they need therapy

we fought like all the primal twice

saved a whole nation and a race

established peace between Man and Dragon

I want to see in the end of 6.3 or 6.3 someone will ask us to do something, fight someone again. We will just say no, I'm going on a vacation

deal with your own shit

[brisk quail]

Lmao

[woven escarp]

this is one of those times where it really doesn't matter what I have to say, isn't it

[signal vault]

"Is it Garlean Monday again ?"

or is it Primal Tuesday

oh no, not Dalmascal Wednesday

and PC will say it with a dead inside tone

[torpid yoke]

seems more like a 6.0 ending thing

[signal vault]

"not again while headslam wall or table" as dialogue option

do it Yoshi-P

[open verge]

I wonder how stupid the wol is in story

[torpid yoke]

what do you define as stupid?

[open verge]

Like how much does the wol understand the lore

I’m terrible at explaining

[signal vault]

6.0 prediction

[woven escarp]

the WOL seems to understand everything perfectly fine, since they're often the only person who can explain what the fuck happened in echo flashbacks

they're just mutes because self-insert

[signal vault]

they are muted because no voice acted

[torpid yoke]

wol's intelligence slightly banks on what jobs you have leveled honestly.

[open verge]

If your scholar you know everything while when you play warrior you can only hit and smash ✅

But really wol intelligence would increase the more jobs they have leveled because of history from those jobs

[signal vault]

but WoL in the story just learn everything as seen in ShB

[torpid yoke]

Wol is probably pretty smart though

[signal vault]

so WoL in the story is really smart, they master all job

[open verge]

Yea maybe not super politically smart but they understand what’s goin on

[torpid yoke]

they at least know how to read

[woven escarp]

I mean, the WOL doesn't have any interest in politics other than "who do I have to punch"

[viscid monolith]

They're almost an engineer

[warm bone]

So, streetsmart?

[open verge]

That’s a good way to put it

[torpid yoke]

more street smart than book smart but still pretty book smart

[open verge]

Wol basically turns on the news once a week to get a basic jist on how the world is fucked

[viscid monolith]

The Warrior of Light invented the Bio Blaster and Air Anchor

[dim sigil]

Can you get bitter memories from zanndor?

Lame

[open verge]

They did really? This confirmed in 80 quest?

[somber storm]

WoL leaving the smarts to the smart people

[open verge]

I guess all post 71 job skills are wol originals?

[torpid yoke]

all the mch abilities post hw are made by wol iirc

[viscid monolith]

Yes you created those yourself on the First

[open verge]

That’s sick

So wol made automaton queen?

[woven escarp]

ye

[viscid monolith]

Nah the turret transformed into that on its own

[signal vault]

WoL
master the blade as a SAM
master the shield as PLD
master the dark art as DRK
master the tech as MCH
master the black art as BLM
etc

[viscid monolith]

Or at least that's what Yoshida said. He said think of it like the Little Engine That Could

[signal vault]

they are probably smarter than most people in Eorzean

[woven escarp]

yeah, drg is basically all WOL innovations

[somber storm]

WoL also mastered like half the lost ninjijutsu arts

[signal vault]

they also master Red magic

[crystal arrow]

wait, we believed in the turret and it got stronger... shit rook autoturret primal confirmed

[signal vault]

they also control Bahamut Egi and Ifrit Egi

[woven escarp]

estinien can't teach you anything you don't already know, he just does things with more punch because he has a whole-ass first brood dragon powering his weapon

[open verge]

Eorzeans probably has no idea wtf is happening outside of their city state

[signal vault]

oh ye, they also read Tarrot cards of Astrologian

[woven escarp]

I know

but estinien and the PC share the same rank

[open verge]

Estinen would be a terrible teacher
“Ok so look I yell super hard”
shadow clone stardivers

[woven escarp]

come, nidhogg, we are needed

[open verge]

We need our own pet dragon...

[somber storm]

DRG Ninja, bunshin stardiver

[open verge]

Just a small dragon pet we can king with

[signal vault]

Idk anything about monk

[open verge]

Something something unlock 14 chakras

[torpid yoke]

course not. They aint the azure dragoon

[open verge]

Some chakras are bad news

[signal vault]

don't forget they can forge any weapon that is not relic

[open verge]

Something something all monks are dead

Theodric killed all the monks right?

[signal vault]

WoL can probably write better song than the Minstrel if they want to

[woven escarp]

not all of em, wiedargelt is teaching a shitload of them in ala mihgo

[open verge]

Epic

[woven escarp]

both light and dark chakra schools because he absorbed the two catgirls from the dark chakra school

[open verge]

Wait those cat girls are dead?

[somber storm]

We also got a bunch of WARs and SCHs being trained at maelstrom

[signal vault]

in 6.0, WoL will master the soul of Reaper and the technology behind Sage probably

[warm bone]

Marauder guild basement has a bunch of catgirls being trained with the pistol

[woven escarp]

that's slightly different

[open verge]

They’ll form a solid pact

[woven escarp]

the musketeer guild is unique to limsa

[open verge]

Am I the only one that thinks the sch lore limits what the job can get

Military tactics so cool

[woven escarp]

being tied to nymeian magic?

[torpid yoke]

dont see how anything in their lore limits the WoL's version of sch

[bold condor]

Scholar is literally Sun Tzu the job.

[woven escarp]

just as keikaku, the job

[open verge]

All I have are 2 dinky fairies

[bold condor]

One faerie with two aspects, but like, why is that a problem?

[open verge]

Seraph was fuckin dope so let me replace the fairies with that

Lily?

[viscid monolith]

Lily is the name of your fairy

[open verge]

Is it lmao

[torpid yoke]

Yes. Eos and Selene are its two aspects

[open verge]

I thought the name of my fairy was the name of my fairies...

[bold condor]

Oh my god.

[open verge]

Limiting to wat it could get gameplay wise my fault for not explaining thoroughly

[bold condor]

[torpid yoke]

They live in the soul stone :D

[open verge]

I just want cool scholar skills

It’s all I want

Was it really cool

[torpid yoke]

cool sch skills

We have broil 3 and summon seraph what else could you want

[open verge]

Broil 3 looks worse then the older broil

summon seraph is dope tho

[torpid yoke]

It looks better wachu mean

[open verge]

Nah that’s cap

[torpid yoke]

anyway i doubt sch is gonna get any flashy attacks

[open verge]

I wish it could

Flashy dps skill they could press would be so based

Broil 2 is still way cooler then broil 3

[next quarry]

They said all jobs are getting something flashy

[torpid yoke]

summon seraph is their flashy

[next quarry]

In endwalker

[torpid yoke]

summon seraph 2

[next quarry]

Paladin got Wings, and that's not stoping them from confetti

[open verge]

They need a flashy dps skill and flashy aoe

Ruin 2 and energy drain needs new animations btw

[next quarry]

On the topic of animation updates, bloodletter

[open verge]

Bard animations are very samey

[warm bone]

i wish Art of War wasnt just Aura Blast recycled

[open verge]

Yea that’s pretty disrespectful 😭

[warm bone]

could have been something cool like a bunch of tonberries stabbing in unison at a spot

[next quarry]

Aura blast?

[open verge]

How does it only have 1 aoe skill

[warm bone]

aura blast was a pvp skill before it was repurposed for SCH

[woven escarp]

just wait for the level 90 skill

everyone's rancor, scales in potency based on how many players are alive

doink

[warm bone]

they do a magical girl transformation

into tonberries

[next quarry]

It's just gonna be a bigger floor slap if aow gets an upgrade

[warm bone]

and fire their special knife attacks

!action sharpened knife

[lusty shadow]

**Sharpened Knife** : lvl 1 BLU (200 MP) (2.5 second cooldown)(1.0 second base cast time)

Deals physical damage with a potency of 220.
Additional Effect: Potency is increased to 450 when target is stunned

Blue Magic

At this point, tonberries' predilection for sharpened knives is well known. By manipulating aether to harness feelings of resentment, one hones a keener blade for driving into the heart of the enemy. Naturally, being beset by this attack while unable to move is a uniquely harrowing experience.

Obtained

Tonberry King / The Wanderer’s Palace

Blue Magic

Type: Physical
Aspect: Slashing
Rank: 4

Powered by XIVAPI | BLU Data Powered by FFXIV Collect

[warm bone]

[torpid yoke]

they should have used the whiter animation instead of aurablast

[open verge]

Ok give scholar a new mechanic called stratagem

Idk what it would do but I saw scholars have it in ff11 so I wanted to sound cool

[torpid yoke]

we have that. It's called chain stratagem

[warm bone]

deployment tactic

[open verge]

!action deployment tactic

[lusty shadow]

**Deployment Tactics** : lvl 56 SCH (120.0 second cooldown)(Instant cast time)

Extends Galvanize effect cast on self or target to nearby party members.
Duration: Time remaining on original effect
No effect when target is not under the effect of Galvanize.

Powered by XIVAPI

[warm bone]

ngl, i wouldnt mind more meta spells

like spells that affect other spells

[woven escarp]

also, gravity is better than AOW, change my mind

[open verge]

Scholar could lose a lot of skills and get mch level rework but idk if it will get one

Lightspeed gravity exists so yea it’s better

[warm bone]

SCH was originally designed for alot of synergies within its kit

but they were all slowly removed because surprise surprise

the synergys were goddamn OP

[woven escarp]

yeah

[open verge]

I wouldn’t mind if they just removed the synergies

[torpid yoke]

Then it wouldn't be sch QuQ

[woven escarp]

member when lustrate was 25% HP restored, instead of a fixed potency?

[warm bone]

we have the current SCH now where its synergies are forcibly made anti-synergy

so it feels very janky to play

[woven escarp]

but it was changed because it was way too good with cleric's stance and war's huge HP pool

[warm bone]

for example Seraph disables dissipate

[woven escarp]

but you don't have to stand in melee range to use gravity, AOW doesn't have a stun to justify its range 😔

[warm bone]

remember when you could rouse whispering dawn

[torpid yoke]

You do have to stand in melee for holy though

they really said "Sch gotta be nerfed they too stronk"

[warm bone]

it was pretty ridiculous in Stormblood

[torpid yoke]

im not saying it wasnt

[open verge]

I think they should remove the rest of the synergies from the kit and make it more fun

But I know sch vets wouldn’t want that

I’m selfish and only want job changes that make me happy so dont get too upset

[warm bone]

yea. SCH is the bigbrain job where your skills interact with each other

if i just wanted omega heals, i would have gone WHM i feel

[torpid yoke]

We already knew that

[warm bone]

DW about it. we all want different things and thats fine

[open verge]

Scholar lore borin where big dragons

[torpid yoke]

You dont even know the lore

[open verge]

Something something tonberrys and nym accident

Plague bad I think

[warm bone]

thats part of it

[dim sigil]

Im scared of sam changes i really like sam rn

[open verge]

I wouldn’t be scared

[warm bone]

the OG scholars before us were the miliatary tactictian division within the military arm of the nymian marines

[torpid yoke]

i would :)

[open verge]

Sam might lose some skills tho

I can see it losing a few skills for sure

[warm bone]

the SCH job itself is military rank and position

in the nymains marines at least

[dim sigil]

Not that I'm too knowledgeable about game design but I feel like eye-open is going to change

[open verge]

Yea that’s why it’s skill effects are so lame

[warm bone]

what if

SAM got another sticker!

:D

[open verge]

A lot of jobs are reaching the point where they will get too bloated

[torpid yoke]

sam will use their scabards more to fight

i mean i can think of one way to free some slots for some jobs >.>

[open verge]

Yea especially for monk

I could easily free up like 5 slots for monk

10 was a bit much

[torpid yoke]

nah monk needs their combo's separate

[open verge]

Not what I meant I love the combo structure on monk

I personally want another gcd added into their combos no idea what it would do tho

[warm bone]

i think SCH has the most buttons right now so they would be the target for a skills prune first i feel

[woven escarp]

🤔

[torpid yoke]

my sch hot bars are a mess. Its the only healer where they are a mess

[open verge]

Paladin definitely could get pruned gnb too imo

[woven escarp]

did everyone forget about drg?

[open verge]

Astro bars on my character are a fucking mess

[torpid yoke]

Pld is fine and drg is fine

[woven escarp]

it's so jarring playing like, fucking mch and there's like 20 open slots on my hotbars

[signal vault]

if they prune i hope they make lower level easier for newbie too

[woven escarp]

while my drg bar is 3 rows of packed horseshit

[warm bone]

ikr. when i play Dancer, half my slots are emtpy

[signal vault]

drk getting another aoe at lvl 72 doesn't make sense

[open verge]

Lower the levels of melee aoe please...

Astro bars are beefy too

I don’t even have undraw bound

[torpid yoke]

i never have that problem with pld

why would you want to even use undraw?

[signal vault]

why is the bot healer for squadron so lame

i give up and just let the dps tank

[boreal forge]

Because it simulate a normal player behaviour

[torpid yoke]

can't wait for them to do the blade of light thing again in 6.0 final cutscene

[tulip geyser]

Blade of light+ dark hammer kills the Sound source

[wind bough]

gotta bring keening, sunder and wraithguard

[signal vault]

we have fought primal of the Moon Tsukuyomi

when can we have the Primal of the Sun Amateratsu

[drowsy belfry]

Thank you Zadnor

[wind bough]

Yoshida was asked this, and said that they determined that Amaterasu would have overlapped too much with Lakshmi in design.

[signal vault]

ah

[somber storm]

Hingashi expansion when

[stiff charm]

booba primal 2

[gaunt star]

There is still the Island to explore and alot of Othard left too

[wet crown]

I'd rather see more of Ilsabard, Meracydia and the New World before we get more of Othard

[floral idol]

i would've loved to see terncliff as a whole area with aetheryte

one of my favorite maps in the game

[wary perch]

I doubt they will expand on tencliff

Unless they remove it from instance zone

[dim sigil]

Old sharylan seems to kinda feel similar in the trailer

[wary perch]

Old sharlyan is just hinterland copy and paste with repaired building and infrastructure

[warm bone]

with less empty spaces between them too

updwellers only

[subtle pasture]

The Sharlayan Colony doesn't have an entire harbor

[lusty hazel]

I do find it interesting that there are now so many Sharlayan zones to explore. Old Sharlayan, Idyllshire, Dravanian Hinterlands, Labyrinthos, and Eureka. I kinda hold out hope that we will get one more Sharlayan zone that is outside the city proper and not underground. I want to feel like we have the whole country. Not just one city area.

[lusty hazel]

same.

[lusty hazel]

It could be an instance anda a world map location. They could just be separate.

[lusty hazel]

RIP. Amaterasu would have been cool.

[soft gyro]

why would one fight the same boss twice

[drowsy belfry]

[wary perch]

Hows your loot? did you get the field notes for both Lyon and the other guy?

[cosmic herald]

if i recall, 99mil is the damage cap

[drowsy belfry]

Oh yeah I've gotten all the notes in Zadnor and stuff

Just need BSF now

[rain onyx]

I still need memelord and Dyunbu

[drowsy belfry]

Memelord

[rain onyx]

Yes.

[drowsy belfry]

Honestly another mount drop or two from DA and Zadnor'll have paid for my future Mist medium

[rain onyx]

The raptor mount is from the lockboxes, right?

[lucid sedge]

wait there's a raptor mount?

[wary perch]

Iirc from the airship raid

[tropic frigate]

Can confirm its dalriada

[drowsy belfry]

Dalriada ye

[heady shadow]

OH OH OH.

so. thwe twins' dad. I know who he reminds me of.

does anyone remember how much of a dick this guy was xD

[gaunt star]

Is that the evil dude from bleach

[sharp field]

that's byakuya not really an evil dude

[gaunt star]

https://youtu.be/UW7thAIF8TA

😭

[unreal wadi]

in DRN speedrun parties
what essence does a tank use?

[drowsy belfry]

10/17

[open verge]

Irregular and martialist

[unreal wadi]

with one tank, being the MT?

[open verge]

Yea p much

[viscid monolith]

Gonna have to recommend you take a break

[gaunt star]

Hedge what the fuck

Also fuck this timeworn step so much i hate it so much

I still have 180 more to go

[viscid monolith]

I'm not touching Delibrium again until I have 50 Chainspells and Flare Stars

[ocean swallow]

[pastel coyote]

Go to sleep

[gaunt star]

At least theres pump parties now

Thank god the last step needs it honestly

[wet crown]

I'm not gonna do the timeworn step until they nerf it or buff the drop rate. I just can't subject myself to it like Hedge.

[signal vault]

what is pump party

just do 15 DR

[languid breach]

farming timeworn is easier if you're also farming raw emotions

[devout musk]

You have to finish 1 timeworn step first tho

[gaunt star]

Premade parties where everyone brings dps essence and actions and you basically have like 20 minute runs

15-20

[signal vault]

Interesting

Where do I find such chads

[languid breach]

I wish you could queue for DR from inside Bozja. It sucks to use an essence and it falls off when you finish

[pulsar current]

plz no

how about, make all 3 queable in gangos AND they keep your essence

[open verge]

Make dr queuable from df

[icy abyss]

What a chad

[gaunt star]

Well idk how jp does it but na servers have discords dedicated to bozja/eureka stuff

[lapis topaz]

The grind was real

[subtle pasture]

...wow that's a neat icon

looks weird against the red resistance info box but that's an really cool touch

[stable island]

Well....

600.000.000 mettle took a while right?

[lapis topaz]

Yeah, took a while, 2 days i spent on notes and the rest on that

[stable island]

@lapis topaz

Can you still earn mettle?

[gaunt star]

Oh damn nice

[lapis topaz]

@stable island yup

I think it just caps again at 25mil

[signal vault]

[gaunt star]

[swift rune]

"2 days I spent on notes"

i've been grinding lyon's note in castrum for a week

i haven't seen zadnor in a week i just want to go there

also i feel like i need to get these 15 timeworn artifacts first

[pastel coyote]

Maybe i should check which note i miss, i don't have lyon and his bro part 2, that i know

What's the reward ?

[swift rune]

having all field notes rewards you with the FFXII mount

[pastel coyote]

hooooooo, don't care

[wet crown]

no idea what it looks like when a 2nd person sits on it

[swift rune]

it's different for every race

both for the driver and seater https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E3DM4CtUYAI0XgH?format=jpg&name=large

[pastel coyote]

We can't get Pagaga emote yet right ?

[somber storm]

Damn potatoes playing with the bike

No Papaga emote yet

[swift rune]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E2P9LhMUYAE4E8P?format=jpg&name=small

[stiff charm]

need pagaga emote on bnuuy

[somber storm]

https://tenor.com/view/pagaga-pagaga-lalafell-lalafell-ffxiv-ffxiv-pagaga-gif-21729297

[deft burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/duck-ducks-swing-cute-animals-gif-15449339

[somber storm]

Still waiting for pizza emote

[stiff charm]

actually i wonder if third party tools can make players do pagaga

[prisma vine]

what's the bike poses for femroe, same as elezen or?

[signal vault]

so damn cute

the arm clipped bothers me

[swift rune]

matsuno said that lalafell are like this because they cannot scale the mount

so their arm joints are dislocated a bit

[gaunt star]

just dont let lalafails use it

[drowsy belfry]

Absolutely precious

[bold condor]

Lalafells don't steer.

Steering is for the help.

Get an Ala Mhigan to do it for you.

[torpid yoke]

all lala's are psychic. Did you not know that?

[open verge]

Introducing limited race mounts

Due to the fact lalafell are too small and we can’t scale the size of the mount correctly they will not be able to use this mount

[wet crown]

Only Hrothgar, Roegadyn and max height Highlanders can mount a Dodo

[dim sigil]

Lyon note finally dropped from cll 🙀

[signal vault]

gratz

i know that feeling

[wet crown]

I got llofii's notes after 5 days
I know how you feel

[placid sail]

as someone with an Ala Mhigan character, the only steering of Lalafells that I do is right off a cliff

[bold condor]

Good.

[open verge]

I wonder if we see a male viera when we go to thavnir

Like just 1 in some bum fuck cave area

[stiff charm]

there will probably be 1 or 2 msq npcs but i doubt any more

[open verge]

I don’t think there will be any msq ones

[stiff charm]

unless we get random bunny village in ilsabard like we did in raktika

[open verge]

They already said they wouldn’t do that

I just wonder how rare they’ll make npcs of them 😅
And how it would be contrasted by the huge amount of playable characters

[stiff charm]

i inhaled the catboy extinction gas already so im part of the problem

[open verge]

Those devs need to be hard at work