retired-patch-6-3-discussion

[wind bough]

That's not what I'm talking about.

[pine epoch]

This conversation just doesn't make sense at all. And just looks like yall are talking in circles

[indigo shale]

we are told these events happen, but no proof whatsoever that any of these do

[wind bough]

I'm talking about Elliot apparently thinking these notes are completely fake and don't canonically even exist

[crimson pollen]

The fact the notes say "more to be added after further investigation" is already clear more notes are coming in the future

[maiden lodge]

Reminder that FF12's end is the distribution of a false narrative regarding one of the protagonists and his twin brother.

[wind bough]

Yes the notes contain the fallible interpretations of ingame characters

that's not what I'm talking about

[indigo shale]

ofc the notes exist, as we read them, but doesnt take away from the fact they may or may not be 100% truthful

[wind bough]

The notes really exist and were written in-universe

[maiden lodge]

A reminder that Noah van Gabranth is literally named after the false identity that Basch takes on in the game they're taking the names from. The idea of a false narrative is in play just by using that name.

[maiden lodge]

That I agree with.

[indigo shale]

no one is disagreeing with that

[wind bough]

The jail really burned down and the understanding of characters in-universe is that Lyon did it.

[crimson pollen]

The fact Matsuno hasnt said a formal goodbye, nor Yoshida thanked him for work done yet is really telling he is not done

[maiden lodge]

They're in-universe writing, I agree.

That doesn't mean they're accurate, in-universe.

[wind bough]

You suggested that the notes "weren't really from six months in the future and were leaked early"

[pine epoch]

I mean Matsuno is a active player of FF14. and a Freelance Writer and can be called upon whenever

[maiden lodge]

And one of Yoshi P's heroes.

[indigo shale]

yes in universe, as part of gabranths plan to buy time after failure in bozja and zadnor

[onyx tapir]

Ghost of gabranth story next maybe?

[crimson pollen]

its clear Gabranth saw more value in researching the new relics

[wind bough]

So you think all the collective characters in Save the Queen don't know how to read their own calendars and know how much time has passed.

[north parcel]

I really like the way this matsuno guy does lore though

[unreal wadi]

he recently wrote up the lore about Male Vieras

[north parcel]

even if the visions thing makes no sense to me

[unreal wadi]

a brief note

[maiden lodge]

'Guys this was written in the year 6.'
'It's still 1, are you sure that's legit?'

[pine epoch]

Well male viera lore has been here since Stormblood. He just elaborated it further when asked.

[wind bough]

You're suggesting that Gabranth pretended that six months had passed in order to trick everybody into thinking six months had passed when really it had only been a week.

This is beyond absurd.

[maiden lodge]

in writings made by baz

[wind bough]

😔

[pine epoch]

Dis, Lyon is arguing with Elliot

Not you.

[pulsar current]

5.55 chat is spicy today

[maiden lodge]

I know I'm supporting not opposing, sorry that tone did not carry across

[wind bough]

Yeah Dis was supporting

[tough fern]

[indigo shale]

ok, let me dumb this down for you, bad man plan fail, bad man buy time to try again, create notes faking future events, oh no they were discovered way earlier than intended, possibly ruining plan, who know what happens next

[pine epoch]

sorry. I didn't pick up on it ;n;

[wary perch]

The fact remains the events in the note happened 6months in the future which may or may not be what actually happened.

[wind bough]

No, the notes are just from six months in the future.

[maiden lodge]

Baz wrote those notes. How can bad man create fake notes about stuff that Bozjan bounty hunters reported on

[wary perch]

Events maybe falsified for propaganda but date sure isn't

[torpid yoke]

Baz?

[unreal wadi]

Bozjan Resistance Leader

[crystal arrow]

so tl;dr bozjan resistance had collective amnesia and forgot how much time has passed when we're in a time bubble? huh?

[maiden lodge]

Yeah I call him Bas/Baz for short because fuck my spelling

[viscid monolith]

Hopefully you dumbed this down enough to realize how wrong this entire statement is.

[wind bough]

Clearly the short form of Balsaljen is Bals

[somber storm]

Captain Basj

[wind bough]

Thal's Bals

[unreal wadi]

even i dont remember how to spell his name

[maiden lodge]

He doesn't even pronounce all those letters

[wary perch]

Balsajin

[somber storm]

Commander Bals

[wary perch]

Definitely not correct lol

[dim sigil]

Baal Buster

[crystal arrow]

it'd be stupid to think that gabranth faked the notes anyways because it'd be something that fran could easily disprove

[crimson pollen]

if between 6.0 and 6.1 we have at least 6 month gap of peace for WoL - somethign that is really not all unbelievable to happen (some deserved rest for us) all this stuff will fit perfectly tbh

[indigo shale]

ok seems people are acting on the fact that these events we have 0 proof of happening are 100% true and therefore will happen unless elaborated on, and cannot be changed in any single way irregardless of how much time actually pass

[unreal wadi]

[crystal arrow]

I- what

[wind bough]

It's counter-intuitive to assume the very notes themselves are not written by the people it says they're written by.

[torpid yoke]

if anything i feel like they would do the next story inbetween now and the time of noah's "death"

[wind bough]

There's just no basis to think that.

Especially since the notes on Gabranth even mention how his death seems really suspicious and was probably faked

You think Gabranth planted that? lol

[unreal wadi]

we still dont have relic weapon buff in Bozja or Zadnor

unless they're not doing that

[viscid monolith]

No you're just wrong about whose writing the field notes. Which is why your entire premise is wrong. The notes aren't faked. They're written by the resistance about events they experienced. The notes aren't written by Gabranth in the first place.

[torpid yoke]

well yea we are still in SHB. Plus i feel like we dont really neeeeed a buff for it yet

[indigo shale]

doesnt matter who writes them in universe, things can be faked/half truths,

[unreal wadi]

when did Baldesion Arsenal come out

[crystal arrow]

we have suns sooo prolly not

[clever flume]

4.55 @unreal wadi

[unreal wadi]

shit good point

[viscid monolith]

What motivation would the Resistance have for faking the Field Notes and lying

[unreal wadi]

ahh gotcha

[indigo shale]

ok please read

[maiden lodge]

'my death was fake news' -- Gabranth, trying to trick people into thinking his death was real.

[wind bough]

Elliot you're trying to construct something based on so many baseless assumptions and leaps of logic that it's really just absurd. You're not seeing some neat hidden trick here.

[viscid monolith]

No you read. You have everyone confused on what you're talking about. Maybe you fucked up somewhere in your logic somewhere and not literally everyone else here.

[crystal arrow]

double reverse psychology huh

[torpid yoke]

im confused on whats being talked about in general

[maiden lodge]

They're written by Balseljen. All of them. They're his writings. Now he says he bases what he wrote on some Garlean writings to be inclusive and non-partisan for the interest of peace, but, he wrote them.

[open verge]

“My death was greatly exaggerated”

[maiden lodge]

"Guy's I just came by to clarify, I am dead, and you guys should be fine with that"

[wary perch]

I thought this part is about the new bozja constitution and not the event of bozja and rabanastre liberation and it's aftermath

[crystal arrow]

None of what you've said makes sense sooo.... you should read.

[open verge]

What’s stopping him from memory hopping

[somber storm]

"Don't believe Balsajien's lies! Gabranth lives!"

[maiden lodge]

Also a lot of actions in the future seem hinky so maybe Ascian bodyhopping fuckery?

[wary perch]

Ascian are no more in ew though so that shouldn't happened 6month later

Most likely the info is wrong when presented to bals

[maiden lodge]

bold assertion for someone in Pandaemonium range

[indigo shale]

i said things can be faked, thats not to say all of them are fake, but it doesnt mean all of them are legit, but can we be sure all of the notes were from Balsajien or if the information is completely reliable

[unreal wadi]

Because it is from him?

[crystal arrow]

we straight up don't know that lol

just because the hydy/zody arc will end doesn't mean they'll all die - we still have 5 ascians to deal with, one of which being fanny, and it'd feel cheap to get rid of all 5 at once

[wary perch]

Like the how would bals know in such detail that Lyon and gabranth exchange word before Lyon knife him like someone is there to witness it

[viscid monolith]

They said the Hyd vs Zod arc will be finished. That doesn't mean some stray Ascians can't still be around. Doing shit.

[unreal wadi]

he does take witness testimony from the provisional government

[crystal arrow]

Exactly, they may very well have their own plans like fanny has his, now that the unsundered aren't helicoptering around them

[rustic heath]

what's going on in this chat

[open verge]

I wonder if pandaemonium is just remnants of elidibus experiments or if he is gonna have an actual active role

[clever flume]

nerd slaps

[viscid monolith]

Nothing anymore you guys are always late

[wind bough]

All the notes are from Balsaljen. There is no reasonable reason to doubt that.

[maiden lodge]

Hell, Ascians being around doesn't even require them to be villains--they could totally do a story of an Ascian trying to get out of the club, so to speak.

[wary perch]

Yea and the witness just sit there to witness everything unfold and not stopping Lyon?

[gaunt star]

Elliot i think your argument hinges too much on "what if someone bad wrote it to fuck with us/the resistance" but the fact is Baz wrote all of them so it kinda falls apart

Anyway the events will/have happened, but its from Baz's pov so its probably not 100% accurate/info missing that he doesnt know about

[viscid monolith]

Ya what if one of them just wants to enjoy immortality without resurrecting a dark god

[crystal arrow]

there's absolutely nothing that could lead us to doubt the legitimacy of the source and that bals wrote it - all you've done is just gone "guys what if" and ranted about things you want to happen

[rustic heath]

Oh Bozja characters

[indigo shale]

i havent wanted anything to happen, im just saying the information could not be real, but suit yourself

[crystal arrow]

maybe they just wanna learn or start a farm

[maiden lodge]

Any Ascian can be one porxie away from being free from the Zodiark tempering.

[crystal arrow]

I don't think that's true, like, at all - the titan priest was tempered for a few decades and that took a lot of power, I doubt they could easily untemper an ascian

[wind bough]

Anything in the game could be a big fake where the devs lied to us explicitly about events in front of our eyes to trick us: that's something that could happen in the world. However, there is no reason for them to do that, nor precedent. Having any kind of discussion about this has to be predicated on the shared assumption that information given to us ingame as lore resources means something.

[pine epoch]

Umbral was really light all along

[gaunt star]

This logic is like thinking the 8th calamity was a farce the entire time graha never timetravelled and he's not Graha at all

Or something

[wind bough]

Not an equivalence, that was a "further understanding" thing not a subtractive retcon.

[pine epoch]

Your right Lyon.

[wind bough]

It obviously wasn't always planned but it wasn't a Big Lie.

You can see the stitches of the additive retcon in some places though.

[viscid monolith]

The events are probably a ruse but the information isn't faked. As far as anyone knows Gabranth is dead. That doesn't mean it's a conspiracy to mislead the in universe public.

[pine epoch]

Has there ever been a Big lie in FF14 story where we knew one thing for so long and then revealed something different?

[maiden lodge]

Nothing says it has to be easy. But you bet your ass untempering an Ascian seems a thing that could be hypothesized by any one of the Scions, including Urianger or Y'shtola.

[wind bough]

The document even suspects the events were a ruse!

[maiden lodge]

Hydaelyn's version of the sundering

[crystal arrow]

ehh nah, I really don't think it'd be possible

[viscid monolith]

We untempered a 10,000 year old dragon so I don't see why an Ascian is outside the realm of possibility.

[crystal arrow]

Hers was a very mild case of tempering. She had no extreme desire to serve a primal like the ascians do.

[pine epoch]

We attempt to untemper fandaniel after the boss fight. and it reveals fandaniel isn't tempered. /s

[maiden lodge]

Not really, she required more aether than usual.

[gaunt star]

"cant cure what was never tempered"

[crystal arrow]

They straight up say that it was a mild case.

[torpid yoke]

i mean she also isnt a sundered so eh?

[gaunt star]

Did they? I thought it was just """"easy"""" because her will was just that strong (and saw baha as more of an equal)?

[pine epoch]

https://twitter.com/mane_tank/status/1399415124549529605?s=20

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[maiden lodge]

No, they say that the nature of her idea of what bahamut was changed the result of the tempering. The fact that a lot more aether than usual needed to be pushed into her shows that her tempering was not mild.

[wary perch]

is tiamat 10000 year old? I thought aumarot destroyed 10k year ago

[viscid monolith]

A mild case for a human and a mild case for a dragon are probably very different.

[pine epoch]

sundering was 12k years ago

[maiden lodge]

No she's an alien from a world that was not sundered, from an egg that was laid on another planet.

[gaunt star]

There was a whole bit where the scions were like "damn... She's so strong"

Mentally

[viscid monolith]

Tiamat was presumably an adult by the end of the 2nd Astral Era when she went to Meracydia

But Midgardsormr was a bad father so maybe she was still a baby /s

[maiden lodge]

Ultimately though the question seems of scale, because Ascians do not seem to be elementally bodily altered permanently.

[wary perch]

My understanding is that the dragon come after the unsundering

So how is tiamat is as old as the aumarot?

[viscid monolith]

Ya Middy arrived with his eggs post sundering

[maiden lodge]

They'd have to for Midgarsormr to make a pact with Hydaelyn on arrival

[viscid monolith]

The first brood hatched after Middy arrived on Hydaelyn.

The sundering was 12000 years ago. Midgardsormr is probably much older than that.

[maiden lodge]

Yeah, he was fricken powerful and therefore likely old even back then, according to Omega

[viscid monolith]

Man 5.5 made dragons even more old than they already were.

[crystal arrow]

do we know whether omega... resized middy in the raid or was he actually that small at one point?

[viscid monolith]

He was that small

That entire fight was using all of the information Omega gathered during their battle.

Meaning that even though Midgardsormr was small, at some point before fighting Omega he gained the ability to temporarily grow to the size he would eventually become on Hydaelyn.

[hollow ice]

theres an even smaller midgarsormr?

[somber storm]

baby middy

[crystal arrow]

not super small no, but much smaller than his keeper of the lake form

[hollow ice]

oh I just thought that by the way you wer talking there was one even smaller than his minion form

[crystal arrow]

nah he's much bigger than the minion form there

[heady shadow]

dumb 6.0 theory.

||We go to the moon by ourselves along with maybe some companion talking in our head. final area is beyond the moon.||

middy is about the size of nidhogg there

[distant shore]

Counter theory:

||Final area is in the Hydaelyn aether-lifestream thing, and Hydaelyn is the final Trial.||

[wary perch]

We go to the moon using the gateway to the gods mentioned by fandaniel

[heady shadow]

I mean theres nothing saying ||that couldnt happen after whatever goes on on the moon so its not a counter, more like supplemental xD||

[gaunt star]

Isn't the final boss confirmed to be a character we don't know at all?

[north parcel]

no I don't think so

just that it's not fandaniel or zenos

[viscid monolith]

Ya Middy was at least as powerful as the first brood are now when he fought Omega. And the First Brood are 9000-10000 years old. Meaning he was about that old then, making Midgardsormr possibly close to 20,000 years old.

[viscid monolith]

When did they tell us that

[crystal arrow]

They said that about hades, but it wasn't fully true, so...

[crimson pollen]

I remember them saying not Fandaniel

[heady shadow]

he could be older depending how long it took to travel through space between the dragonstar and the source

[north parcel]

yeah rod you're probably right

[distant shore]

Eh, Fandaniel has a pre-final-trial-dungeon-final-boss feel.

[crystal arrow]

obviously it's going to be fanny but using his real name

[gaunt star]

That'd be very disappointing.

[tulip geyser]

Fandaniel has probably been Dead The Whole Time.
This may be the sound source's sock puppet so it was never him in the first place?

[crystal arrow]

literally how? they did that with emet as hades.

[heady shadow]

there is the theory that zenos has anima and that is a trial. soooo

[gaunt star]

Who was a fitting multi-phase final boss for an expansion that wasn't the literal finale of a decade-long storyline.

[opaque hemlock]

That's what makes it disappointing. It was done before

[crystal arrow]

that's not disappointing, lol

[gaunt star]

This is the end of the Ascian arc. We literally bombed the mightiest the Paragons have to offer. At this point they can be classified as beneath us if we weren't one ourselves.
If its a proper finale-level final boss we want, why not pit us against Hydaelyn or Zodiark... or some horrible fusion of both~~ Necron~~?

[opaque hemlock]

Nah we're gonna get a FFIX ||Necron|| fast one where the final boss will be completely out of left field

[heady shadow]

or Lavos some Alien?

[opaque hemlock]

Haha yes agreed!

[heady shadow]

I think it's fair to say that also 6.0 will be really big, I'm thinking even without the pandemic happening, we would have seen a october release anyway

[viscid monolith]

For the record we aren't one ourself

[tulip geyser]

6.0 is thicc

[maiden lodge]

First off, the fusion is Equinox, voiced by Brian Stivale, obviously

[gaunt star]

I'd be okay with that. I think.

[heady shadow]

then we learn it has 2x the amount of quests arr has xD

[tulip geyser]

Honestly if they're good and move us along like ShB? Wouldnt even mind

[gaunt star]

Okay, real talk. I quite-honestly expect EW to have atleast half the quests ARR has, if not 3/4ths as many.

[viscid monolith]

How did I forget about Equinox, voiced by Brian Stivale? That was an amazing finale to 5.3.

[heady shadow]

whats the quests numbers for each expansion again?

[gaunt star]

Cause I was too busy watching the tanks scramble to put LB on their hotbars.

[maiden lodge]

Yeah but 5.3 was still loooooooooooooong as these go. Turns out, it's not the number of quests, it's the phatness.

[gaunt star]

Oh i'm aware. The bossfight alone made me winded... I needed tot ake a break.

Still, EW having 1.3x more story than usual? I approve. Expected 1.5x but I trust the devs more than myself.

[tulip geyser]

The Apocalypse kick off, if its like ShB is gonna bust through the wall like the Kool Aid Man in the first like, 5 quests. Cant wait.

Fandaniel has basically been dicking around watching us up to this point- I think he knows the "right" lever, just had to keep the lion amused.

"Foiled my plan? Oh no! Anyway..."

[heady shadow]

lets see.... 200 quests and the last 20% og them are thicc with 10-15min cutscenes

[stiff charm]

return of the king style epilogue pls

[somber storm]

and 5 long instanced fights

[stiff charm]

[heady shadow]

look if they are gonna end a 10 year arc they may as well go return of the king extended edition

[gaunt star]

Return of the King?

[stiff charm]

third lord of the rings book/movie, movie has a notoriously long final stretch of scenes post climax

people like to hate on it but i like it, tons of characters to cover and they all get screentime

[heady shadow]

return of the king itself is 4+ hours long.
extended ads another 51min to that.

the entire extended edition marathon is about 11+ hours

I think thats how it goes/

[gaunt star]

Man the fetch quests are gonna blow chunks in 6.0 arent they

[weary rampart]

ah i see ,so the ending of Nier story is
||based on how many ppl chose which npc on all server ||
||we got ending E ||

[gaunt star]

"ITS THE APOCALYPSE"
"fetch me some wine"

[woven escarp]

still a better love story than mass effect 3

[gaunt star]

I cant believe majority picked anogg... I picked konogg. Either way the ending is stupid and its hilarious how stupid it is

[north parcel]

what log does supersoldier drop

[dim sigil]

A log so rare it might not even exist

[torpid yoke]

Really? You can't believe majority of people said "Yea this android is totally trust worthy and we should do what she says" and not "we should be cautious"? Because its par for the course for the community

[grave elm]

Was anime a mistake?

[dim sigil]

Is the one that is the majority the default selection

[torpid yoke]

you actively have to walk over to one or the other

[tulip geyser]

The adorable android waifu cant possibly be lying

[heady shadow]

^

[torpid yoke]

iirc any of the people who are involved

which i think its just dabog for that one. I cant remember which zone that is

[woven escarp]

I can't believe the thirsty-ass community would side with bot cheeks over common sense

[north parcel]

dabog part 2 apparently

5 stars lol

[dim sigil]

Im convinced dabog2 doesnt exists

[torpid yoke]

do the 1v1 and it will exist

[dim sigil]

What ce even gives it

[torpid yoke]

dabog fate in zone 1 which spawns from killing the rank 3 rollers in zone 1

[next oriole]

huh...

[torpid yoke]

weeeee DCKED UP

[dusk slate]

what resistance rank do you unlock dalriada?

[torpid yoke]

25

[dusk slate]

awh

i just hit 16

[somber storm]

People were too horny for 2P and didn't see the consequences

[torpid yoke]

Real MGS5 nukes vibes here

"The players probably wont be of one mind for this"

Players are one mind on this

[woven escarp]

https://twitter.com/zerosshadows/status/1399598413335908352

Sydney 🌼 5.55 spoilers (@zerosshadows)

Will Sage and Reaper even have full job questlines? They start at 70 which means they'll only get a quest at 70, 80, and 90 (if they do like what they did in shb). That's not too much time to develop a plot or anything, especially with entire expansions between quests :(

Twitter · Jun 1, 2021, 5:27 AM

asking the real questions

where's mah gat damn lore oda

[tropic frigate]

Class quests dying off pepehands

[pine epoch]

Yoshida confirmed their getting 71-80 job quest

People just dont read every interview

[woven escarp]

I mean, you can't unless you speak every major language and you know there's an interview being given

like that german interview that popped up in #translations-and-liveletters , I would have had no idea that existed otherwise

[heady shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/joker-electric-car-gif-21193957

[pine epoch]

It wasn't even a japanese interview

https://www.vg247.com/2021/02/18/final-fantasy-14-endwalker-interview-naoki-yoshida/

VG247: While Shadowbringers started the Role Quest concept that is now being expanded upon in Endwalker, players still had access to completely optional Level 80 Job Quests for each respective Job. Will we see Level 90 Job Quests in Endwalker, or are Job Quests as we know them dead outside of the newly announced jobs?

Naoki Yoshida: Of course we will implement job quests for the new jobs. As for the episode quests for each job that we incorporated in 5.0, we prepared them as a sort of ‘highlight’ of the job quests from previous expansions. The episodes that would take the place of those are not fixed at this point in time.

Especially since you can unlock sage and reaper before shb

[torpid yoke]

people read in general?

[pine epoch]

Cause you only need to be level 70 and have ew to unlock them.

[heady shadow]

I think it's sad that people choose to either not look for the interviews or just ignore things said.

[deft burrow]

When the going gets tough, WoL pulls out Paladin. It do be like that.

[somber storm]

WoL not going full healer by going PLD

[deft burrow]

DRK mains enraged

[balmy mesa]

to be fair, the interviews tend to be scattered all over the place
regarding the job quests being available from 70 - thank goodness
it'll likely be set up like 70/70/73/75/78/80/90

[deft burrow]

[balmy mesa]

I wouldn't mind them doing job quests from 83+ for all classes, but I don't think they will anymore, instead having another big one at 90

[fast warren]

The only thing this says is that we'll still have job quests at 80 for the new jobs, it says nothing about 70-80

Or 8x-90 tbqh

[balmy mesa]

goddamnit yoship

Moons serve an important element in FF14. The moon Dalamud was constructed by the ancient Allagan Empire as a prison to hold Bahamut. There’s also a huge secret hidden in relation to the greater moon itself and we have briefly touched upon this partially in the story of FF14 so far while skillfully hiding some things from the player. It would be senseless if I were to divulge those details, so definitely try looking out for them yourself.

[deft burrow]

The moon is hollow

There is an underground city, I guarantee it.

[pine epoch]

The floating island is inside the Moon

[fast warren]

Way I see it, expect nothing and be pleasantly surprised if something does happen. Same way I dont expect any old weapon glamours for the new jobs

[balmy mesa]

but the implication is that it's something we've already encountered in the past as part of the story

[deft burrow]

deep dungeon

[pine epoch]

I mean, back in heavensward we datamined the moon map

||to reveal it has a zodiark statue, and his FF12 glyph||

[deft burrow]

wow talk about spoilers

[balmy mesa]

ah yeah I forgot about that

[deft burrow]

ya

[pine epoch]

||Its specifically the FF12 glyph and not the modified version in 14||

theres also the fact the game has been saying zodiark is the moon. for awhile.

[frigid ferry]

Likely just a jail constructed for Zodiark, like Dalamud

[deft burrow]

Probably

14 likes moon jails

[balmy mesa]

reckon it might be retconned (as their planned storyline has more than likely changed since HW)

[pine epoch]

Like the prevalent theory is that when Hydaelyn sundered the planet. she ripped bits and pieces from the earth to form the moon.

[deft burrow]

The moon IS Zodiark

[rain onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/destiny-destiny2-d2-the-moon-is-haunted-moons-haunted-gif-15813508

[gentle temple]

So dumb question...
Did we not get a new costume for end of expac hype?

[pine epoch]

Yes. we didn't get a glam

[opaque hemlock]

We got an emote instead

[gentle temple]

(I've been really busy at work and haven't had a chance to log in since the update)

[pine epoch]

I have a theory we will get the glam in 6.0 MSQ

[gentle temple]

DX what was the emote?

[pine epoch]

/shush

[gentle temple]

I wanna know >_>

[opaque hemlock]

/shush yeah

[gentle temple]

Oh

That's kinda disappointing

[somber storm]

/shush

[gentle temple]

At least give me sassy wave

[somber storm]

we can finally shush people at least

[pine epoch]

But ya I think they held off giving us glamour, is cause they want to give us something special in the msq.

[fast warren]

We always get a glamour in the msq

[clever flume]

we don't always

[fast warren]

Well, used to

[balmy mesa]

Sharlayan glam?

[clever flume]

we didn't get a glamour in 2.55

[fast warren]

I'm talking about the base MSQ

Re; they held 9ff to give us one in MSQ

[clever flume]

[fast warren]

Both of the SBs gave us a glamour in the base MSQ

HW didnt but they were still figuring out what they wanted to do, hence like 3 msq mounts

[clever flume]

heavensward didn't give us glamour in base msq

[fast warren]

"HW didnt"

[clever flume]

ok so they didn't always give us glamour

[fast warren]

They have for the past 2 expansions

[pine epoch]

uuuh....

[fast warren]

And its reasonable to think they're going to keep doing that

[clever flume]

you realize always implies that it has been done...since the start

[fast warren]

Nitpicking, I used the wrong word

[pine epoch]

ARR the only story glam you got was the infantry soldier glam for the 14th legion. HW you got the scion outfit in 3.56, SB you got the eastern garlean outfit in MSQ, and in 4.55 you got scion traveler outfit.

SHB there was no glam

[fast warren]

Crystarium?

[clever flume]

crystarium guard

[pine epoch]

I forget that exist

[fast warren]

It's bad, don't blame you

Boots are good but the shoulders are terrible and just don't look good

What's her face, the DNC Viera had pauleronless version and it looked great

[somber storm]

Lyna

[fast warren]

Yeah, Lyna. Not sure why I forgot her name.

[stiff charm]

i hope we gwt more voiced bunnies in ew, those accents

[dim sigil]

Voiced male bun

[stiff charm]

[wet crown]

there will be at least 1 male viera NPC in EW

[opaque hemlock]

Yeah they're rare for a reason but we'll likely get 1 named NPC

[pine epoch]

Inb4 we find a town of male viera in thavnair

[stiff charm]

pls my bunny will uhhhhh

uhhhhhhhhhh

make friends with them :yaycarby:

[fast warren]

I want some lion ladies

[stiff charm]

same

he will.. do the same with them

[wet crown]

you mean panthers

[fast warren]

Tall, thicc, cat women

that better look like cats and not Nekos

[stiff charm]

we got miqo already, do not fear

[wet crown]

we have the mural artwork of them
they won't be like miqo'te

[fast warren]

Yeah but we had Miqo already when HW launched and the Au Ra were dainty anime schoolgirls instead of vicious snu snus

[stiff charm]

ok i am very mad about fem au ra dont bring thst up around me

[opaque hemlock]

What could have been...

[cosmic herald]

I might wanna do Bahamut raids unsync solo

[turbid aspen]

this but sadu stays a midget wizard

[stiff charm]

you should its fun

bring a friend for nael though

golems are.. not good solo

[wet crown]

just do it as BLU

[cosmic herald]

We will face Vrtra and his kids in Thavnair

[turbid aspen]

vrtra babu he doesnt even know how baby making works

[somber storm]

Vrtra the Virgin

[wet crown]

brah, he may be the youngest of the first brood but he is still a boomer

[stiff charm]

if ysayle was still around shrd make sure he knows

[turbid aspen]

[fast warren]

Dragons are asexual so by design they're virgins

[stiff charm]

the dragonfucking is greatly exaggerrated, she told sahr. but hes allowed to bully her sbout it so its fine

[cosmic herald]

Vrtra is called the astralwyrm, starwyrm, star dragon, whatever the fuck EN will call him

[stiff charm]

[cosmic herald]

On the other hand, Azdaja is called the lunarwyrm

[fast warren]

Idk how common that knowledge is but yeah, Dragons don't fuck, and they likely don't have primary sexual characteristics at all.

Iirc the babbu draggu in the DRG storyline was fathered and raised by his father entirely, without his mother in his life at all but its been like 3 and a half years since I did DRG story

[turbid aspen]

yeah babu draggu just calls faunehm faunehm and not mother
i think that was her name lol

[cosmic herald]

Firstbrood can reproduce asexually

[fast warren]

All of them are, not just the first brood.

[clever flume]

its not just first brood. all dragons reproduce asexually

gender is also a personal choice for a dragon

[fast warren]

Yup, they're basically asexual enbys, which I love

[stiff charm]

is for humans too

but what about dragon human types? like aevis

[clever flume]

don't think we have an real info on the transformed human dragons, but i would imagine that...the transformation renders them infertile

[stiff charm]

feelsbad for that one girl

[fast warren]

I adore all of the little twists that Oda and Koji put on standard fantasy lores to make them stand out and be unique

[stiff charm]

dragons old and smart but thst also means if you fuck with them they are angry forever

final fantasy xiv: heavensward

[exotic galleon]

the critically acclaimed mmorpg?

[stiff charm]

yes

[fast warren]

With a free trial up to level 60?

[cosmic herald]

ofc there's no indication whether we'll meet the astralwyrm or whatever the fuck EN calls him

[stiff charm]

probably in new world tbh

[cosmic herald]

JP lorebook refers him as 星竜 literally star dragon

[brazen trout]

star turtle

[indigo shale]

star dragon

[cosmic herald]

azdaja in the jp is 月竜 moon dragon

[fast warren]

Somebody say Star Dragon?

[brazen trout]

lets du du du du duel

[fast warren]

[cosmic herald]

ofc azdaja is associated with the moon

[stiff charm]

wow poggers is that a terraria reference

[cosmic herald]

ratatoskr title is 詩竜 aka song dragon

[brazen trout]

dragon mommy sing me to sleep

[stiff charm]

children of the land, do you hear...~

[indigo shale]

when hearing star dragon, i immediately think of total war: warhammer 2

[cosmic herald]

bahamut and tiamat are entitled dawnwyrm and duskwyrm respectively

[fast warren]

I really hope

DSU plays Dragonsong in the final phase, the first phase of Nidhogg with Dragonsong playing was incredible

[brazen trout]

are those titles that they were given? :o

[stiff charm]

dragonsong (the primals)

[fast warren]

And progging ucob right now the way Answers syncs up to the fight (just like in T13, remember the suffer part going off during akh morn?) is incredible

[cosmic herald]

!faq firstbrood

[lusty shadow]

The 7 children of Midgardsomr making the First Brood.

[stiff charm]

making?

[cosmic herald]

jp lorebook included their titles as well

[fast warren]

I have a pet theory (that was soft confirmed in Omega, but not explicitely) that Shinryu is just the Othardian/Far East name for Midgardsormr

[cosmic herald]

provided we have dreadwyrm, holywyrm, dawnwyrm, and duskwyrm as their en names

[stiff charm]

what does shinryu mean again i know its something dragon

[fast warren]

Divine Dragon

[stiff charm]

ah thst works then kinda

world serpent is pretty divine lol

culturally those could link up loosely

[indigo shale]

yeah shinryu is the japanese form of shenlong a chinese spiritual dragon, which means literally, god dragon/spirit dragon

[dawn wave]

wait is it 神竜 or 星竜

[cosmic herald]

well ffxiv shinryu is completely different from dissidia shinryu where he locks warriors into eternal conflict

[stiff charm]

im just going off of name and xiv appearance

[fast warren]

Well in FFV, their first appearance, Omega and Shinryu have a rivalry

[dawn wave]

cute

[fast warren]

Omega in FF5 was said to have been created to destroy Shinryu, which sort of tracks with Omega driving Midgardsormr out of his home planet and to Hydaelyn

[cosmic herald]

Seems like Omega mistook Mid for the real Shinryu that is also in Dissidia, hence in XIV Shinryu was known to be the legendary dragon by the East while the real Shinryu is known to destroy worlds and even put fighters into eternal conflict in their world

[fast warren]

Hence why I say "Shinryu" in XIV is just the Othardian's interpretation of Midgsrdsormr, passed through a cultural lens

But thats just a pet theory of mine that I've had since 3.55

[pine epoch]

I mean. It's also a theory in ff14

Cid after o10 mentions it.

That young adult middy looks similar to shinryu

[fast warren]

Yeah that's why I said that the Omega story soft confirmed it, though its still through an NPC theort

[dawn wave]

that makes sense

[fast warren]

Omega's grown on me over the years, story-wise. MnF/Final Omega feel like an ultimate, final boss for a lot of loose ends and a story thread, running through the story since mid-2.x

The music helps sell that feeling, for both fights.

[indigo shale]

yeah from the heavens is a great boss theme, one of the best in the game imo

[fast warren]

I mentioned how Answers syncs up with T13 and From the Heavens does as well to my memory; I remember the quiet part happened during the Hello World mechanic

[brazen trout]

which trial do you fight the combined forms again? :o

[fast warren]

O12s

[brazen trout]

ah its only in savage?

[indigo shale]

o12s im pretty sure,

[fast warren]

Yup, its an Omega Weapon reference, and savage only.

[stiff charm]

yeah normal has m/f and savage also has big boy omega

[indigo shale]

imagine the combined form of omega was the mount rather than bug form

and if cid asks where we got it from, we say we cant tell him, as nero is there just grinning in the background

[fast warren]

I like that it's the bug form, keeps with the theme that Alexander started where the final mount is always the summon/enemy the series is based on, but miniaturized.

And considering Pandaemonium is based on a location rather than a summon itself. I wonder what the mount will be.

I feel like it's gonna be inspired by FF2 though. That much I'm certain of. Lahabrea is even the Scion of Light opposite to the esper Mateus.

[indigo shale]

we just ride lahabrea, simple

[fast warren]

Lmao, possibly.

When you get LahabreaD in UWU

[indigo shale]

assuming it is his lab, probably some of the concepts we fight will be the mounts

[pine epoch]

The mount will be lahabrea giving us a piggy back ride

[stiff charm]

shush thats iggys job

[stiff charm]

and that speeds us up somehow

i could see the mount being ifrita/ifrit

[fast warren]

He just thinks we're gonna go faster and we are

[stiff charm]

primal judgment (the primals) when

wait we have that already on astral to umbral nvm

[indigo shale]

what would be interesting in the far future is a convocation ultimate, where we fight the members of the convocation of 13 and zodiark (not 14 because azem would have still fucked off), though idk how that would work out as we haven't seen if the others have other forms like emet-selch, or even if they can do the same elidibus as that was a primal becoming a primal. though i suppose it could be a fictional account of things told by the minstrel so they could experiment with how it plays out - possibly alternate forms being the espers from 12 though we've had some forms of those i guess in return to ivalice, so idk

[stiff charm]

the umbral calamities (ultimate)

[indigo shale]

and then the final thing that ffxiv ever does can be an ultimate ultimate, which is just a marathon of all the ultimates at once, the ultimate test

[stiff charm]

[rough kestrel]

Fight lasts for 90 minutes

[fast warren]

I actually really like the Astral to Umbral ifrit theme. Its not fast but that Bassline goes so fucking hard and the way it drops after the first set of dashes is just

[indigo shale]

but its secretly directed by yoko taro so upon completion he deletes your character

[stiff charm]

garuda is my favorite but ifrits is real good too

[fast warren]

The build up is soooo good

[stiff charm]

i just like the crunchy start into AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

N O W F A L L

[rough kestrel]

@indigo shale I think a Nier ultimate would be wild if they start theming them around Alliance Raids

[tropic frigate]

Alliance ultimates would be great

[rough kestrel]

I dunno if you'd do an Ivalice Ultimate since some of that stuff already gets reused in Bozja/Zadnor but at a harder difficulty

[fast warren]

Belias redux may as well be Ultimate to most pugs that do it lol

[rough kestrel]

Time to burn is a bit of a fucker

[indigo shale]

well unless bozja and zadnor are requirements for the ultimate i doubt the people who run ultimates would care about reused stuff as long as it meets their expectations for an ultimate fight

[rough kestrel]

I dunno, I feel like you want the ultimates to be stuff you haven't seen relevant in awhile

[indigo shale]

well its shb stuff and we havent even got to SB stuff yet anyway for ultimates, so by the time it happens it wont have been relevant for a while

[fast warren]

Trial mode level 100 but it's an ffxiv ultimate fight

[indigo shale]

and what would we get out of stormblood ultimates anyway, likely an omega ultimate, possibly four lords

[rough kestrel]

I will say this, it is crazy to me how if you do a lot of new or mildly difficult (compared to normal stuff) content for awhile, like learning all the new CEs and such, you suddenly find other less intense shit easier than before

[somber storm]

Four Lords Ultimate would be cool, get a remix of all their songs

[crude rover]

Spend zadnor doing mechanics vomit CES then dalriada feels like basically nothing

[rough kestrel]

Exactly

Or castrum, which wasn't that nuts before, but it feels alot easier than I remember it being.

[fast warren]

That's why Savage has been cleared so fast. Sure it's easier, but Savage is small fry and absolutely glacial in pace compared to Ultimate, so ultimate tier raiders just demolish it

[crude rover]

And at this point Delebrum Reginae is Stay Awake: Ultimate

[rough kestrel]

^

[indigo shale]

maybe eventually a zenos ultimate where we get, zenos, elidizenos, elezenos, shinryu, reaper zenos and then whatever we can assume he takes over/tries to take over in EW with his VA just getting more horny as the fight progresses

[fast warren]

Zodiarkenos

[somber storm]

Zodinos

[rough kestrel]

I think if Zenos takes Hydaelyn like I suspect he will, I could see a Zenos ultimate later where he takes Zodiark instead

The ultimate's are usually fun "What if" scenarios right?

I think you could do a Lightwarden ultimate set in the wasteland from the SHB trailer

[indigo shale]

yeah or at very least the minstrel just ignoring what we said and making it up in his vision, though i guess that counts as a what if scenario

[rough kestrel]

Which is just basically Yoshi going "Hey try this":

[indigo shale]

oh yeah, lightwarden ultimate, eden ultimate, possibly weapons ultimate

if we get a weapons ultimate, i would like to see jade weapon as we have no references of it yet from what i can remember

[rough kestrel]

I think we are absolutely getting a weapons ultimate, it really feels like they deliberately held back from doing Zenos oversoul for this exact reason.

(Not for years, but still)

[indigo shale]

considering diamond was teased as zenos oversoul, + it being codename: zenos, i could see that coming to fruition in an ultimate

[rough kestrel]

Might be where you get your Jade Weapon because Green

Shinryu also being green

[indigo shale]

im not sure but they got zenos combat data after the shinryu fight right?, meaning the oversoul would have shinryu and his resonant powers, that would be some crazy oversoul

[rough kestrel]

They could also add in a Diablo armament cameo and some Ultima weapon references

A culmination of Allagan and Garlean ingenuity

[indigo shale]

omega weapon too, might aswell get all the weapons in their, final form being an alexander-esque fusion

[rough kestrel]

Yeah totally, with Zenos oversoul

[indigo shale]

maybe give us a chance to beat up valens at the beginning too, just to really rile people up for the fight as we never see him in person once during questline

[rough kestrel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zFy9E01aVU
I want a remix of this song already within XIV because it's too good to be locked in Zadnor.

[indigo shale]

that song came in so good, as the rest were just reused boss themes, which i think was intentional just to make this one pop out more

[rough kestrel]

Imagine if they had a mechanic where you need to shout the names of the children to get their help

[indigo shale]

ah yes, just like heavy rain

[rough kestrel]

But I just mean if their souls were present in the ultimate and played a part, since Valens couldn't remember Alphonse's name

[wet crown]

the fate of every Alfonse is to have their soul stuck in something metal

[indigo shale]

the end of the fight could also be a combined limit break with gaius because why not

[rough kestrel]

Family Kamehameha

[indigo shale]

imagine if gaius kept alfonse as diamond weapon instead of putting him down at the end of werlyt, just imagine going on random outings and intrdoucing people to your adopted son who happens to be a very powerful and big weapon

[rough kestrel]

The SoS LB4 cutscene but with Gaius and Orphans

[stiff charm]

we will get one winged angel in the weapons ultimate zenos oversoul

[indigo shale]

im expecting one winged angel to be subtly mixed in with the final zenos fight in EW

[rough kestrel]

Imagine if they had it so one of your party has to run over and jump into G Warrior to fight him while everyone else is occupied, like a more involved Susano'o blade situation

[stiff charm]

instead of ESTUANS INTERIUS IRA VEHEMENTI we get HEART OF DARKNESS BEATETH, ULTIMA! SHIELDING LIGHT RETREATETH, ULTIMA! i swear itll happen

[indigo shale]

we are talking about this, and i dont think weapons ultimate will be as cool as we are talking here which is a shame

[rough kestrel]

I dunno, they design them to be a streaming spectacle

[wet crown]

it's not gonna happen either

[rough kestrel]

I think it'll be pretty neat regardless

[wet crown]

the ShB ults would be Lightwardens and Ascians

[indigo shale]

nah weapons ultimate i feel is a guarantee its just a matter of when

[rough kestrel]

I'd say Weapons and Ascians are more likely than Ascians and Lightwardens

[stiff charm]

eden and weapons ultimate probably, but i could see eden being ascians

[rough kestrel]

Oh fuck I forgot about Eden

[indigo shale]

ascians would be more EW just so they can have all of them, as i imagine pretty much all convocation members will have been dealt with by then

[rough kestrel]

Ascian ultimate would be cool post EW, starting with Laha(Ending with Laha)

[wet crown]

for all we know, the other remaining Ascians could also just be Telophoroi

[stiff charm]

like it starts with mitron+loghrif prime (edens promise ig) but gets wackier

[drowsy belfry]

6/17

[stiff charm]

like "oh backwards? ok"
ige laha show up
"wait"

[rough kestrel]

Hedge what are you farming to blast through all the relics

[indigo shale]

ascian ultimate but its just nabriales with the same voice as in ARR, reciting shakespear plays at us the whole fight

[drowsy belfry]

Dalriada

[dim sigil]

Does DA give more then raw emotions

[rough kestrel]

@indigo shale With that ARR music

[drowsy belfry]

Every Instance has one that's about to pop, or just finished so it pops in no time

[rough kestrel]

I dont recall getting any relic mats from it

[wet crown]

you're instance hopping?

[wary perch]

It's the last step

After the 30pcs of shits for 3 sets

[rough kestrel]

Wait so how the fuck did people do the raid step of 60 so fast

[stiff charm]

thunderer (the primals) would be sick though ngl

[wet crown]

I can't even bring myself to get the remaining 26 mhach/ivalice memories

[wary perch]

Omega raid, Alex and eden are quite fast

[dim sigil]

Wol is a famous author

[drowsy belfry]

Ofcourse, I do Dalriada, switch Instance to one where there isn't one ongoing then casually just do fates/ces till Dalriada pops

[wet crown]

well at least you participate a bit

[wary perch]

And it's only down once

[stiff charm]

they just brought back wrath of the eikons so i could see thunderer soon for an ascian trial (fandanny?)

[wary perch]

Don't need the 30pcs items for 2nd relic

[drowsy belfry]

Also I'll tell you how I did Eden and Omega so quickly

[wet crown]

Thunderer is used a lot not just for Ascians

[rough kestrel]

I hate the fact that all the worthwhile DPS Essences are in Southern front and mostly castrum or Antlions

[stiff charm]

yeah true

[wary perch]

Only the 15 from the last step

[drowsy belfry]

Lots of Titans

[rough kestrel]

Lots of Titans?

[indigo shale]

yeah sauvotoir uses thunder in bozja

[stiff charm]

but it would be cool especially if given vocals

[wary perch]

E4n lol

[wet crown]

personally, I'd do Zadnor until I got 30 of the skirmish drops and then get the remaining from raids

[wary perch]

Under the weight

[rough kestrel]

E2N is like 2:30 run with 6 DPS, is that not the fastest?

[drowsy belfry]

Well sure but that only drops one of the items

[wet crown]

Oh, I'd still do CEs ofc

[drowsy belfry]

You need both, I just did E1N for the remaining ones

[stiff charm]

i didnt need grey mems onyl had to run levi 7ish

[wet crown]

I meant literally whatever I'm missing, I'd get from raids

[rough kestrel]

So what does titan drop then? 3 types?

[drowsy belfry]

Same as Alexander and Omega, 1 2 drop 1 type, 3 4 drop the 2nd type

Titan's just faster then Levi cause there's no phase changes/invuln

[wary perch]

2 stage drop 1 type and another 2 stage drop another type

[rough kestrel]

Hedge already explained it, with far less confusing English

[stiff charm]

i got scammed wtf

[drowsy belfry]

Well I mean that's just personal expeirence

[dim sigil]

If you're going for all honors any way you might as well just do zandor

[rough kestrel]

I forgot about the fact E4N isn't E4S

[stiff charm]

my levis were 2-3 min

except 1 run where someone died like 4 times

[rough kestrel]

@dim sigil I find the rates good but between people blasting fates in 2 seconds and some CEs outright failing, it's not that worth.

[dim sigil]

I thought your server was supposed to be better than Crystal

CEs were kinda rough day 1 stuff like to burn but been fine now

[drowsy belfry]

Ah son of a whore, I bought the wrong Crypt upgrade

[wet crown]

the worst part about Zadnor is people still don't understand : DONUTS DON'T RUN

[drowsy belfry]

Now I gotta like, do tower again for this week's

[dim sigil]

Use it on somthing esle

[drowsy belfry]

I gueeeeees

[rough kestrel]

I do like that the Zadnor gear overlaps some stat combos with Eden

BiS = Budget in Slot

[wet crown]

I'm gonna deck myself out with Zadnor gear because I don't care about that little bit more stat juice from 5 more ilvls

[wary perch]

I'm annoyed that zadnor gear don't have 4 meld slots lol

[wet crown]

you mean 5

and yes, BLUs are also sad

[wary perch]

Yea 5 miscounted

[rough kestrel]

I mean then you'd really run the risk of it beating Savage gear, that'd be silly

At that point it may as well be 530

[wary perch]

Relic weapon already beat savage gear so I don't understand why armor can't beat savage gear

Iirc some tome gear also beat savage gear

[stiff charm]

dal gear is insanely ez compared to relic though

[rough kestrel]

^

I'm honestly shocked at how easy it has been to get that garbage FF12 gear

[wary perch]

And it's end of the expansion. Not like it will put you at an advantage over the next savage world first race

[stiff charm]

itd just be unfair time investment

if some msq and side story casual player can get better gear than savage raid grinders

[fast warren]

E+1 gear was equivalent ilvl but had 5 slots

Oh, it was 5 ilvls under equivalent actually, hm

[signal vault]

So 50 notes give you the bike

Now I'm motivated to get one and help out people without flying

Also, fuck diablo

[crude rover]

This is what I did, then after that comes the literally endless DR Grind

Because nothing else is worth doing

[signal vault]

Skirmish drop, what that

[crude rover]

The latest relic weapons quest require 30*6 different items

They either drop from hw/SB/shb 8 person raids

Or from zadnor

3 come from skirmishes, 3 from critical engagements

[signal vault]

ah that step

zadnor still gives good mettle for valor

but that is about it

[crude rover]

But why do I care about valor?

[signal vault]

idk

[crude rover]

Therein lies the rub.

[stiff charm]

faster dr runs

[signal vault]

ye

[stiff charm]

[signal vault]

get the fieldnotes for the mount too

[stiff charm]

no ill never get a duel and if i do ill die

[crude rover]

I'm going to have a million DR to do anyway, I'll get my valor that way

[signal vault]

im only missning 8

[gaunt star]

re: zadnor gear beating savage gear, it wouldn't be unprecedented at all if they'd chosen to do that

[wary perch]

All field note can be acquired nfrom skirmish, CE, CLL and dalriada

Just some has awfully low drop rate

[gaunt star]

elemental gear was used in multiple slots for a lot of jobs

iirc blm even used basically whole elemental leftside

[signal vault]

back to gangos

[floral idol]

wait this is going to be a totally unrelated topic and it just popped up into my head now; but for the 5.54 patch..didn't someone mine an icon for a wheelchair item?

and the fact arenvald is pretty much chair-bound?..

[drowsy belfry]

Yeah

It's the same model

[signal vault]

flying wheel chair mount while Arenvald crying on the ground

[somber storm]

Just pray Fordola doesn'y chase us for it back

[wary perch]

The icon is for custom delivery item

[signal vault]

I don't think I want to do BSf CE if they don't drop me note i need

because if I die I lose like 60k while the CE gives me pitty amount of mettle

[wary perch]

Only Lyon is from cll, rest can get from skirmish

If you don't want to do duel

[signal vault]

im missing these, which one is the hardest to get ?

[unreal wadi]

Dyunbu

its a 4* rarity, have fun

Even I don't have it

[signal vault]

damn, this is boring

[unreal wadi]

every other one is obtainable in a duel

[signal vault]

i can barely remember the mechanic and dodge all of them

[rain onyx]

yeah I still need Dyunbu and Menenius ;-;

Managed Lyon part 2 and Dabog part 2 through their non-duel sources.

[signal vault]

lyon is fucking stack for a 68 old man

[rough kestrel]

I'm pretty sure Lyon is stronger than like 70% of Eorzea's warriors

[fast warren]

I like Lyon a lot

He's really well written

[rough kestrel]

If that man fought for Ala Mhigo, he'd make it hard to take for Garlemald

[pastel coyote]

Lyon and Pagaga are likable character, i can't hide i'm happy for them

[fast warren]

Pagaga is precious

[rough kestrel]

I'm sorry but that character's name ruins them, no one is ever not going to read their name as Pepega

[pastel coyote]

I call it: if we meet her again it will be among the answer we can choose

[signal vault]

bro, im 68, who the fuck cares about demotion

im gonna die on the battlefield anyway

[fast warren]

It's a Dunesfolk name. Pagaga Paga

[rough kestrel]

How do you think Stormblood Zenos would fare in 1v1 with Lyon

[signal vault]

Zenos would smash him

Lyon is strong, but it's Zenos

he couldn't stay dead

[signal vault]

poor dude

[pastel coyote]

it's fine

[crude rover]

Echo makes that perfectly doable

[viscid monolith]

Just bring a healing lost action

Or Essence of the Beast/Bloodsucker

[unreal wadi]

grats

[signal vault]

[cosmic herald]

what's the recommended stat for sam relic?

[signal vault]

idk, I just put all in Crit and DH

[cosmic herald]

well sam needs sks so i would have to pick 510 Sks

[drowsy belfry]

383 DIR | 520 CRT | 185 DET | 94 SKS

From Balance

[crude rover]

That's based on specific stat tiering

[crude rover]

As a rule, outside of specific stat tier break points, for Sam: SKS to desired tier, Crit > DH >Det

That example from the balance is going to be specifically based around a certain gear/meld set and is not universally applicable

[signal vault]

if you follow The Balance exact stats then you should have the savage raid gear to go with it

or your desire stat might go side ways

[crude rover]

Unless you're pushing pink/gold parses/ultimate.. just slam Crit/DH, figure out your SKS tier and sort the rest out accordingly

Anything else is well beyond the thinking you should bother with

[signal vault]

I never knew fieldnotes gave you the bike

now Im stuck in BSF

5*, rip life

[pine epoch]

I got lyon just a few minutes ago from dalriada

[signal vault]

I didn't even know I had lyon

it's just there, lol

[open verge]

I got Lyon and menenius same run

[grizzled lagoon]

bot

[signal vault]

wtf

[viscid monolith]

There's already "someone" with 10 in all 3 stats

[signal vault]

did all he do was sleep in Zadnor

[kindred meteor]

some people are just built different

[signal vault]

the real WoL

[topaz river]

“Don’t try to get all the buffs early, you’ll burn yourself out” -YoshiP

[narrow barn]

how much do the buffs even give?

[topaz river]

I think it’s 3% per stack but don’t quote me

[coarse pond]

Wait there is something that permanently increase your overall damage in entire Bozja content?

https://c.tenor.com/4nHvnDZouaUAAAAM/jontron-ill-take-your-entire-stock.gif

[topaz river]

Yes

After you finish the Bozja storyline you can spend mettle to get buffs

They are permanent in all Bozja content

[coarse pond]

[topaz river]

You can get 10 stacks of defense/healing/DPS buff each

And the amount of mettle you need to get each stage of the buff increases

[crude rover]

The DPs buff seems like the only important one to me

[pastel coyote]

Well in november when all we will see is reaper and sage i will be happy to have the other buff

[distant sonnet]

Others were saying 5%? Either way, substantial

Especially at 10 stacks.

[eager fox]

I heard 3% damage 5% HP and healing

[distant sonnet]

As for healing not being useful.. for healers? Probably not. For like, Warrior self heal sustain shenanigans? Real shit.

[eager fox]

Yeah I think healers should go for valor first too

[distant sonnet]

I'd still get it after damage and hp , but still

[gaunt star]

ill go dmg>hp> heal pot

[signal vault]

healers in DR don't even use healing essence dude

they use either Profane or Aetherweaver

more dmg

[wet crown]

everyone should max valor first

content is designed with no bonuses in mind, so HP and healing is the least important

[gaunt star]

Yeah I'm maxing valor.more damage for my warrior means more healing.

[wet crown]

and killing stuff faster means you need less healing overall

[gaunt star]

Warrior feels kinda unkillable in bizjan anway

[wet crown]

I feel like WHM is the best job if you don't try to hyper roll every encounter

[gaunt star]

Whm is best yes

The only downside is the fact that everything is steelsting in zadnor but otherwise yea

Can whm get away with pulling giant stacks of trash onto dates and solo kill them and the fate at once?

Ya

Nice

Well also depends how fast you can kill them. If you cant kill them before your heals run out ur fucked

[wet crown]

gets a bit dicey at times but they can live

lost chainspell with presence of mind is so epic

[gaunt star]

Although I would pull a pack of gorillas.

Wh

No you cant survive that
I thought you meant magitek or 1 to 3s

Xd

[wet crown]

brah, stop pulling monkeys and kill magitek

[gaunt star]

Dude i hate those monkeys

I meant wouldn't not would.

[fast warren]

Gorillas, aka the tankbuster that walks like a man.

[gaunt star]

Theyre in such a normal place as well u have to walk past them to get to some of the zone 2 fates

I hate when some prick agro's a gang of them onto me aoeing a fate

[fast warren]

I've hated the gorilla enemies since on content hullbreaker HM, they hit way too hard for trash mobs

[wet crown]

do you not like being smeared with poopy?

[drowsy belfry]

"Oh cool are those Gorillas? And Zu's?"

• A young baby faced Hedge about to get his shit stomped in at floor 170

[somber storm]

Monke

[gaunt star]

I love that zu in Pharos sirius

[stiff charm]

pls dont remind me of wacky woohoo centipede monky

[wet crown]

reminds me of 5.0 with the monke A-rank in Raktika
what a fucking nightmare that was

[drowsy belfry]

Also can we just like, get the lyrics for Endwalker.

I don't know how tf Koji decided to end the song with "Where it all begins" but I wanna know

[gaunt star]

The gorillas in potd are lethal

[fast warren]

People meme about Chimera trains in 180+ but honestly they're not that bad compared to what cones before and after

[gaunt star]

I dunno it felt the unicorn a rank was a bigger threat

U like that room-wide chest beat

[stiff charm]

ZENOS AND WOL FIGHTING CAUSED THE FINAL DAYS LETS GOOOOOO

[drowsy belfry]

Ook Ook motherfucker

[fast warren]

Like the fucking Flood Dragons

[gaunt star]

LMFAO
fuckin banan

[viscid monolith]

I'm 100% sure it was like 3 people account sharing

[gaunt star]

people had 10 stacks day 1/early day 2

[viscid monolith]

Working around the clock

[gaunt star]

So i dont think its that far fetched
Also duel buff nuts

Also i have 8 but i stopped for a couple days to do castrum.and sht

[viscid monolith]

I'm not like, condemning their method or anything.

[topaz river]

3 lalas in a trench coat

[drowsy belfry]

Heyhey that's me

[gaunt star]

Nah i get you, its just like "how"

[viscid monolith]

Do what you gotta do

[gaunt star]

I see people with like 5/8/5 and im like tf

I just want the Lyon note.so been rotating between bozja and fishing windows

[wet crown]

Become what you must - become The Emblazoned!

[viscid monolith]

When you get 10 of each buff
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/404417733132812309/848296612454465596/507.png

[gaunt star]

I'm working on becoming 'big fish'

[viscid monolith]

I'm gonna wait and do the duels when I get 10 in damage and HP

Gonna fuck Lyon up. I had to do it to em.

And that smug pyromancer too

[gaunt star]

He might still destroy you xd

Nah fuck em

Im gonna 1v1 bozjan rider

[distant sonnet]

I wish other people were less bad at the red chocobo fate so getting the Lyon duel was easier

[gaunt star]

Mood

[wet crown]

don't worry, I'll never get Lyon's first duel

mixed opinion : Lyon shouldn't have gotten a 2nd duel

it should've been against Lovro instead

[distant sonnet]

Yah probably.

For the story saying "Hey Lyon go fuck shit up out there" he sure.. doesn't that.

[fast warren]

It was definitely weird that 2/3 of the new solo duels are against the same enemies

[distant sonnet]

At least Dabog was like.. different. ||And also technically not the same guy.||

Lyon shouldn't have been a duel though.

[fast warren]

No, it's the same dabog. He's not cloned until after the duel

[rough kestrel]

It kind of seems like, especially with 10 in all valor, Beast is the best essence overall.

I imagine succor improves the HP you get from the DPS

[distant sonnet]

Ehh I dunno. They made it sound like all the Dabogs were clones and the real one died in the lab

[stiff charm]

when did dabog even get taken i never caught that

[fast warren]

the real one is the Hypertuned one

[rough kestrel]

I'm pretty sure it's the same Dabog as the resistance keep trying to tell him to break free

[stiff charm]

^

[distant sonnet]

The resistance thinks so, certainly.

But then they find out his ass was a clone.

[rough kestrel]

All I know is I found him standing in Southern front near an outpost, utterly confused.

[fast warren]

The ones flying the Gabriels in Zone 3 are the clones

the hypertuned one you solo duel is the original

[rough kestrel]

I assume thats the first one you dueled originally also

Man does anyone in XIV get fucked more than Dabog?

[wet crown]

I got the impression we never even met the original

[distant sonnet]

I'm just sayin.. theres no actual indication of that. We have no idea when or how early the cloning happened.

[stiff charm]

boulder bros

[rough kestrel]

[wet crown]

I really, really wanted a better end for Dabog.

But we can't have nice things in a war setting.

[distant sonnet]

I do like Dabog notes part 2 though.

[stiff charm]

i remember first seeing the hypertuned in live letter and everyone collectively going oh no

[distant sonnet]

Good, good stuff.

[rough kestrel]

So who is the Dabog standing around near Olana's outpost

[stiff charm]

time bubble

[wet crown]

A clone with faulty brain wiring

[balmy mesa]

would a group of Dabogs be called a swamp?

[rough kestrel]

Someone save that poor fucker, he's still there, still lost

[subtle pasture]

So did we ever meet the OG?

[wet crown]

I'm sure we didn't.

[rough kestrel]

@balmy mesa No that's Daswamp

[fast warren]

the DAbog that piloted Vigilia and the original Gabriel is the original. He's then experimented on even further and turns into the Hypertuned version you fight in the duel, who is then killed while his consciousness is uploaded to clones, that you fight in the later two zones

[stiff charm]

yes the one we fought in bozja is the original

[balmy mesa]

a marsh of Dabogs

[wet crown]

If the original isn't in Dalmasca, then he's just dead

[subtle pasture]

...So BSF, right?

[distant sonnet]

If thats the case and its chronological like that, are the resistance members idiots?

[stiff charm]

yes

[subtle pasture]

But yeah this definitely my thought process, as far as that's concerned

[distant sonnet]

Why do they keep trying to turn Dabog back in zone 2 and 3 then?

[rough kestrel]

I see nothing to imply they arent idiots.

[wet crown]

because they didn't see the duel

[distant sonnet]

"Wait wasn't he turned into a giant grotesque monster and murdered like ten feet from our camp?"

[subtle pasture]

Zadnor notes get weird continuity, tbf. Like Llofii's claim she got the killing blow on Fabineau.... and the notes can come from Z1, Fabineau dies in Z2

[rough kestrel]

Wasn't there a whole thing about how he fell off a wall and broke his spine?

[fast warren]

I personally haven't done the duel yet but is it even implied they even know the solo duel is Dabog in the first place? He became pretty grotesque

[wet crown]

Can you please stop reminding me

[distant sonnet]

Or how Dabog notes part 2 are from the pov of a captured and interrogated Science-man, despite him escaping.

[fast warren]

also yeah the notes do have a weird timeline, the Gabranth notes are seemingly penned about 6 months after the questline is concluded

[rough kestrel]

Dabog is what you get if you try to put someone through what the WoL goes through, except they arent the WoL

[wet crown]

Guy was a captive, tried to run, fell down from whatever height, shattered his body beyond normal repair, got turned into a living experiment and Hypertuned

wtf is this?

[rough kestrel]

Dafall

[subtle pasture]

Yeah, the OG was a prisoner of war who tried to flee the Castrum he was imprisoned in, only to fall and suffer a critical injury in his spine that would claim him within a week. Under the claim of saving the man, Sicinius went behind Noah's back and experimented on him to make his perfect Hyperpilot, a form of hypertuning designed to allow mental synchronicity with his magitek units, including the Vigilia and all the Gabriel units.

[distant sonnet]

It even brings up VvV and the Weapon program in the notes. Was pretty cool

[subtle pasture]

He then used Dabog's conditioning as a template on, other Hrothgar prisoners

[distant sonnet]

Low key I hope they use the field notes model for everything from now on.

[fast warren]

Matsuno really does not pull any punches with his writing

Man's got a boner for horrifically disturbing and sad stories

[rough kestrel]

Only if they stop with the continuity bullshit

[distant sonnet]

I want lore notes everywhere.

[rough kestrel]

I honestly hate that the chronology is part of the puzzle

[balmy mesa]

shower me in lore notes tbh

[subtle pasture]

Oh, and also the Luecocrota, which is the hexadrone we last see (a) Dabog piloting in BSF

[fast warren]

I want a bestiary

[rough kestrel]

We have one Lexi, it's called Triple Triad.

[distant sonnet]

Even if some of them are dumb.
"Oh hey cool notes on Oboro, wonder if it says why he is here?"
Literally just shit you learn in the ninja quests. Okay cool.

[rough kestrel]

It is cool if you never played Ninja

[subtle pasture]

BSF + DR notes >>> Zadnor notes,

[fast warren]

When BSF first came out and I saw the field notes I legit thought it would have been a bestiary.

[subtle pasture]

they went from technical notes and broader lore to biographies

[balmy mesa]

ugh, that reminds me... I need to finish leveling ninja
don't really enjoy it tbh

[stiff charm]

its cooler to see him if you have done nin though, pogged when he showed up

[fast warren]

And yeah I suppose the TT Cards are a bestiary but I want a full fledged real one, like in FF12

[wet crown]

Zadnor was just Matsuno's way of telling us he'll get pissy, if we don't get hyper sad the first time

[stiff charm]

was my msq job so im attached to it

[subtle pasture]

Well, lot of the BSF are biographies too, something jsut bugged me a lot about most the Zadnor notes.

[rough kestrel]

I think XIV has enough FF12 in it

[fast warren]

And yeah when I first saw Oboro I was like "OMG IS THAT OBORO" in an LS

[balmy mesa]

FFX is gonna get some love, don't you worry

[rough kestrel]

I don't give a fuck about FFX

[subtle pasture]

But I guess, say, Papaga, still has a story to tell. Since she's still working with Lyon to the (9 months later) present

[fast warren]

XIV will never have enough FF12 in it as long as Matsuno is still Yoshi's idol.

[distant sonnet]

Some of the Zadnor notes were cool though! Like whats his name, mr Onmyouji

[fast warren]

Matsuno is the reason he joined SE in the first place.

[rough kestrel]

Mr. Ozma

[stiff charm]

pagaga final boss ex trial memoria misera style

[subtle pasture]

I was hoping for Onmyojutsu lore and it mostly came to how his clan was persecuted by Yotsuyu and Gabranth convinced them to his side through that...

[balmy mesa]

Matsuno is definitely writing something for Endwalker, just don't know what it is
hell, he could even be contributing something to the Twelve raids coming up

[subtle pasture]

--Yamatsumi pyr Urabe, the Harbinger, yeah

[fast warren]

https://twitter.com/okuudere/status/1399184335912288262?s=20

treacherous deathcat (@okuudere)

https://t.co/UIbBgiSWDa

Twitter · May 31, 2021, 2:01 AM

[distant sonnet]

I'd have enjoyed a Pagaga duel of just boss rush beasts. =p

[stiff charm]

gabranth "i see the twelve are otherwise engaged"

[subtle pasture]

Papaga's really a genuinely neat character, but I suppose I can't say that and imply, like, Gilbrisbert wasn't equally fleshed out

[fast warren]

It really feels like the Ivalice storyline is threading through the entire game as a secondary MSQ unrelated to the main MSQ, and I'm all for it tbh. I love Ivalice as a setting.

Two expansions full of it so far, and I'm sure Endwalker will have something too

[balmy mesa]

would you say it's an... eternal bonding?

[rough kestrel]

I will say this, XIV has an issue where it only has 1 MSQ writer that really stand out, so if Matsuno is always willing to write random XIV lore for side content, atleast it's got flavor, but I just don't care about the Ivalice aspect.

[wet crown]

As long as Ivalice doesn't interfere with XIV's setting and only adds to it, I'm all for more of it

[balmy mesa]

Koji, Oda and Ishikawa are guiding the story are they not?

[wet crown]

Ishikawa keeps an eye on the patches she doesn't write herself

[rough kestrel]

Oda did the Ala Mhigo portion of SB, so Y'know

[distant sonnet]

Fran, turning to look directly at the camera: I look forward to fighting alongside you again. Perhaps in Dalmasca in patch 6.1 of critically acclaimed MMORPG Final fant......

[subtle pasture]

He also did HW, no?

[torpid yoke]

well it cant really interfere when its built into the lore of 14 since its the 14 version of ivalice

[rough kestrel]

Me: put some fucking clothes on, I don't care what game you're from, you're ruining the scene

[subtle pasture]

The 4th-make Lucavi were neato

[distant sonnet]

Fran's ass-bike was distracting I tell you that.

[wet crown]

is there a TT card of a 3rd 4th-make?

[subtle pasture]

Shemhazai even got her straight up 12 lore, being a Whisperer who shepherds dead souls

[distant sonnet]

Just Chuculain and Shamhazi I think

[fast warren]

don't get me started on how salty I am that femaale Viera get shitty fanservice (in both meanings of the term) outfits for their RSE while males get actual proper adventurer gear. The fuck, give me actual adventurer gear.

[rough kestrel]

Like the thing that bothers is me is that it's literally starter Viera gear and I don't know why it looks like that.

[subtle pasture]

which implies all the Scions of Darkness lore stands for the Dalmascan religion

[fast warren]

because that was Fran's outfit in FF12. That's the reason why. It's fanservice.

[rough kestrel]

It's horrible

[fast warren]

It's really stupid and I want a real adventurer's outfit, but noooooooo

[balmy mesa]

I wonder how they're handling up the doubling of Cuchulainn

[distant sonnet]

Mark my words, we'll see Serpentarius Auracite in Dalmasca and it'll be a big deal

[wet crown]

Wouldn't be suprised if the Scions lore of Ivalice was fitted in through some fucky Echo visions of the Ancients' past

[fast warren]

Cuchulainn the Esper isn't Cuchulainn the Voidsent. There's no real conflict there.

[rough kestrel]

The same way they handled the doubling of all these shitty level 50 dungeon bosses that became AR bosses, by not giving a fuck.

[subtle pasture]

Male viera's racial gear just exacerbates how much i dislike how they opted for Fran's attire for female racial gear--

[balmy mesa]

Ophiuchus?

[distant sonnet]

Sure them too.

[fast warren]

Cuchulainn from Void Ark is the first Voidsent, Cuchulainn the esper is just the Scorpio Auracite granting it's power to Gilsabertanaba or whoever

[balmy mesa]

ah, gotcha

[stiff charm]

if they wanted "hehe cute bunny people" starter gear thats fine but frans stuff as starter is a bit bunboy outfit is still a bit fanservice-y but way more tasteful

[rough kestrel]

@subtle pasture Especially since you see Viera in Qitana gear on The First and mentally it seems correct

[wet crown]

Please. That's exactly the kind of armor people wanted from Viera.

[distant sonnet]

Qitana gear is so goddamn good

[stiff charm]

viera showing tummy is natural. however frans gear shows a little more than that

[balmy mesa]

once I get a husbundo glammed up, I'll probably use Qitana gear

[rough kestrel]

"Yes I am leader of a resistance fighting for freedom" "Oh my impractical steel bikini that slices my thighs open? What about it?"

[fast warren]

I really love the lore of Ivalice, and I love how the Ivalice on Hydaelyn is similar, but still very different to the mainline ivalice.

[stiff charm]

ill stick with uwu sweater tyvm

[distant sonnet]

I've got.. a couple sets ready for when malebun, and Ravel maiming gear is absolutelt one of them

[stiff charm]

not that uwu

[pulsar current]

i mean she's like 400 she doesnt give a fuck

[distant sonnet]

Fran's ass moubt has concept art and its even funnier.

[subtle pasture]

I coulda swore viera concepts had diff styles for racial gear, too, uhhh

[fast warren]

they did

[rough kestrel]

Peak comedy is The Queen spawning a goofy steampunk wheelchair in the sky just to sit down on.

[fast warren]

it's so clear that viera were fanservice first and foremost, and not actually something the devs wanted to implement.

[rough kestrel]

So Viera fans should have just been told to shut the fuck up I guess is the take away

[subtle pasture]

tbf, dev time was tight just before ShB, so I understand opting to just, slap in Fran's attire

[fast warren]

as a Viera fan myself, yeah.

[stiff charm]

same

[subtle pasture]

I'm still not a fan, but I understand why they opted for it

[distant sonnet]

Ehh. This is no more rediculous than the au'ra concept art.

[fast warren]

I wanted Viera, but not like this limited race bullshit.

[rough kestrel]

@distant sonnet AuRa concept art was infinitely cooler than the reality though

[subtle pasture]

the real question is what'll femhroth racial gear look like

[distant sonnet]

May I remind you of like..

[subtle pasture]

It's cuz you can see the progression of au ra concepts,

[rough kestrel]

@subtle pasture ||Bozja queen attire||

[stiff charm]

concept fem au ra are superior

[rough kestrel]

Adra post the concept Femras

[subtle pasture]

dragon womana > demonic goth GF's > soft uwu

[rough kestrel]

^

[stiff charm]

i can appreciate good soft uwu but au ra is not that

[somber storm]

Femroth wearing blitzball gear

[rough kestrel]

Top image is garbage, bottom half of the image is great.

Well only the top left of it.

[stiff charm]

like at least give us the wacky ears on uwu ra

[subtle pasture]

My impression is wanting to balance, like, draconic ferocity with some type of grace but like,

meh, cute end result but do wish the slider was slammed the fuck back to draconic

[stiff charm]

kinda mad they dont get claws tbh

[forest magnet]

sorry but we get male au ra with resting angry face pls look forward to it

[distant sonnet]

I feel like the two tribes were supposed to be more distinctly different

But that got culled for time.

[forest magnet]

At least they can wear hats and can use hairstyles.