retired-patch-6-3-discussion

[gaunt star]

I need my body piece for samurai and some more pieces for blm

[signal vault]

imagine can't farm

[gaunt star]

Samurai on nearly-full-haste is 😩

Shifu go brrrr

[dense copper]

Anyone else experiencing sudden crashes when opening the gathering log in-game since patch 5.55?

[left rivet]

Im a little disappointed that, they made this new PotD/eureka replacement but then made the relic armour a seperate fight too

[signal vault]

BLM full haste, ether kit, Despair go brrrrrrrrrrrrr

[left rivet]

Stupid memoria ex

[gaunt star]

True fuck mem mis

[devout musk]

still missing the feet

[gritty pawn]

Logged in to check my fireworks, 248 of them from zadnor in the time it’s taken to get 3 emotes, 2 hairstyles, a handful of various bardings, 3 sophia weapons and 7 dps valor with 2 proofs towards number 8

[devout musk]

[left rivet]

Mem ex is literal cancer

[gaunt star]

Truee blm farming is pretty chill with breathtaker flare and ethers

U can farm entire middle zone for clusters solo

[signal vault]

can't farm the worm solo tho, they hit hurt like hell

[maiden lodge]

It's not a hard EX as they go, he should go down before second Fortis when he was new. Nowadays you should skip all the ugly parts.

[signal vault]

but lost reflect go brrrrrrrrrrrrrr on sprite yo

[gaunt star]

What rank are they? 3 or 4

[signal vault]

3

[maiden lodge]

Only bad side about Varis Ex is he doesn't drop any heckin mount or anything

[left rivet]

I've only done it when it was current content. So it might be easier now.

[gaunt star]

Ehh? You should be able to do them

[signal vault]

and they group up close

[maiden lodge]

He was easy when current

[gaunt star]

Matamatas were rank 3 in z1 iirc, i farmed them for essences for a bit

[left rivet]

But no one does him now

[wary perch]

That's a rooky number.
You need to have 1000 lockbox with that honor

[left rivet]

And there's no other way of getting dyable AF gear

[gaunt star]

Yeee I got 2000 lockbox in 5 days for my flower empire

I cant wait to go back into dr savage, i wanna fuck around with the new lost actions and go brr

[left rivet]

Which sucks.

I'm kinda surprised they haven't added hunt mark purchase versions for 70 AF

[maiden lodge]

shrugs Some shit you gotta work for.

[gaunt star]

No more reflect needed with light curtain LETS GOOOO IM FREE FROM HEALER HELL

[left rivet]

They did for 60

[gritty pawn]

😂 I was running a lot of dalriada instead

[signal vault]

excuse me sir, but which fragment drop it so I could buy it

[gaunt star]

Moonlight

[left rivet]

The more shit they add to hunt marks the more reason people will do them.

[wary perch]

They not adding it because 70 af aren't tome gear

[left rivet]

Hunts kinda suffer from being very rarely done.

[maiden lodge]

They did for 60 because level 60 was weekly capped tomestone gear and the dyed version was the augmented.

[left rivet]

But they scaled the shb hunts really badly for A and S

[gaunt star]

Also iirc CEM says that the succor mettle thingy is 100% heal boost at full stacks

Double critlo 😳

[maiden lodge]

I can't comment on hunts on your data center. On mine, hunt trains are constant a-go-go wen A Ranks are breathing

[left rivet]

I constantly see A ranks about in every SHB area

And they never get picked up even if you make a group or call it on a hunt linkshells

[gaunt star]

Tuesdays/Wednesday are when hunt trains are popping

[left rivet]

Because SHB they take forever

[gaunt star]

Are you in the hunt discords Pineapple?

[wary perch]

A rank in shb usually is saved for norvant world tour train

Atleast in Tonberry

[maiden lodge]

No, they don't do them because once you're capped on revelation why would you grind revelation?

[left rivet]

I'm in a few. But again, I only really get to play infrequently for the game outside of work mandaged holidays

[gaunt star]

Fair nuff

[left rivet]

It would be nice that they were content that no matter the day , people joined party to kill them

[gaunt star]

They save it for hunt trains where we all go around slaying monsters together like a big crystal family

[left rivet]

But I can wait for literal hours and then no one comes

[wary perch]

That's not how the community want it when everything is done on reset

[left rivet]

The a ranks spawn so fast though

[maiden lodge]

Sadly, the world doesn't revolve around anyone's schedule. Stuff people do for revelation is just gonna get done more on tuesday/wednesdays.

[left rivet]

I don't get weekdays off usually...

My weekend is usually Sunday and Saturday, sometimes Monday and Sunday

So it's impossible to join hunt trains unless they run on one of those days

[devout musk]

thats enough to cap tomes

[left rivet]

But I've never seen em

[devout musk]

just do roulettes for 4 days

[gaunt star]

I mean its an MMO sometimes things happen off schedule for us

[gritty pawn]

Sunday morning/early afternoon on my DC is always an easy cap

[wary perch]

Not when you only play an hour or 2 per day

[maiden lodge]

And anyone who isn't capped on Revelation by then, is either not bothering to cap revelation, has scheduling issues like yourself, or doesn't want to bother with hunt trains and is just doing a daily and buggering off.

[devout musk]

bruh expert roulette 1 normal and trial takes like 40mins

[left rivet]

Not all of us are students or out of work for the pandemic.

I wish I had less work.

[wary perch]

I feel attacked

[maiden lodge]

if you have four days and 1-2 hours a day and you can't cap revs you're not trying.

[left rivet]

I'm a nurse during a global pandemic. I just want my 2nd year of overtime to end. Lol

[gritty pawn]

Expert rou takes 20-30 mins including queue time and gives you 1/5 of cap

[maiden lodge]

Granted, you might not have room for other things, but you can do it in that short amount of time. Your expert roulette is 20 minutes a day if you're slow, and the rest you can make up for with pixie quests easily. That leaves you 1.5 hours to do... whatever.

[left rivet]

I do expert and log off usually.

[wary perch]

But pineapple only have 2 days weekend though so unless grind really hard I doubt its enough time

[maiden lodge]

2 days, on that, yeah, that's not tenable I admit

[left rivet]

Cause I don't have time for more things

Cause I gotta take care of kids and stuff too.

I doe xperrt. And my trial

[maiden lodge]

if you got 4 you can, but 2 is hard

[left rivet]

And sometimes I can squeeze in my alliance raid or normal raid. As long as it isn't bunker

If I get crystal tower? I can cap

[gritty pawn]

The complaint seems to be more about things getting in the way of your game time, not the game being designed counter intuitively though

[wary perch]

Personally I haven't capped weekly tome for ages

I think since shb went live. I just couldn't be bothered since I don't do hard content

[left rivet]

Can we all agree on one universal shitty system in game.though?

The in game social friends list/block list.

[gaunt star]

[gritty pawn]

Yeah I stopped as soon as I realised it was just so cheap to buy crafted gear and if I needed better, then I could just get gudder

[wary perch]

Depends on which shitty system lol

[left rivet]

Why does the game need 2-3 minutes to buffer a list of names.

Why do I need to click every INDIVIDUALLY orb to check my crossworld friends online status.

[gritty pawn]

I mean I’d rather the channel be about 5.55 content and the rants about shitty systems go into #rants personally

[devout musk]

true

[wary perch]

Those are shit but there are worst

[left rivet]

Why does block not BLOCK ACCOUNT. People just make new fucking characters to harrass.

I hoped a patch would fix it.

But I've been wanting that since 2.0 lol

[maiden lodge]

Because it's local and SE Account information is not player-facing.

[left rivet]

And they've donen't nothin

[gritty pawn]

People can’t harass you if they never notice your existence 🙃 I’m so lonely

[wary perch]

They harrass through pm?

[maiden lodge]

As a security measure, you do not want random bots knowing your account name

[wary perch]

GM can't help?

[maiden lodge]

Report it and Blacklist

[left rivet]

...GMS do things in this game other than ban people for saying one swear word?

[devout musk]

abuse their power

[wary perch]

Are they spamming you through pm? Otherwise just ignore the text log and don't bother with what's being said might be a better solution

[left rivet]

Blacklist is full tho

Can't put on ignore list.

[gaunt star]

200 people monka

[gritty pawn]

My BL is 3 people and I couldn’t even tell you why they’re in there at this point

[left rivet]

@_@ still,

Blah. I want 6.0 to fix the atrocious systems

[devout musk]

I blacklist bad players

[left rivet]

Mines honestly mostly emote spammers and bots.

[wary perch]

I don't know man, if you can blacklist 200 people it's either your community is shit or you just can't fit into the community.

Might try cross server and have a feel of other server and migrate there if possible?

[left rivet]

Because "report rmt" doesn't ignore the player.

[gritty pawn]

I just have emotes disabled in chat logs

[wary perch]

Because that's not the intent

[left rivet]

...I only use report RMT for people who post gil selling sites

Is that not the intent?

[wary perch]

Oh

[left rivet]

Should... I just let them keep posting that stuff?

[maiden lodge]

There's a report harassment ticket you can fill out in support.

[wary perch]

I thought you just use that to counter harrassment

[maiden lodge]

Report RMT is just because that doesn't require a full description

[left rivet]

Yes. I know.

Again, I don't believe the mods do anything.

The report player system in this game is deeply convoluted.

[devout musk]

Because you never said a thing about gil sellers

[maiden lodge]

that's kinda their goal

Oh wait gil spammers? Yes you report RMT and move on

[wary perch]

I mean harrassment other than pm spam on rmt

[devout musk]

You went from blacklisting emote spammers to i use report rmt

[left rivet]

Again, reporting them doesn't add them to blacklist though. It still shows their chat

[maiden lodge]

So blacklist them

[left rivet]

I reprot and then add to blacklistm but my blacklist gets full

[maiden lodge]

Like, you can't just 'autoblacklist' stuff like that, if it were technology that existed they'd already be doing that on the server end

[left rivet]

It's full atm. And it's all names like withfwitusudhfu wyytidjfbru

[devout musk]

then make room

[wary perch]

I remember when I'm in jenova way back in 2014, I received so much pm rmt spam I just disable pm lol

[left rivet]

...but I don't know which of those characters is actually removed or deleted or will show up again andkeep spamming.

[tulip geyser]

I had to turn off the pm sound altogether or go insane lol. Ah memories.

[left rivet]

So I'd rather not clear it out

[maiden lodge]

The problem with RMT bots isn't their removal. Most of them use stolen credit cards and get reported, so removing the individual bots is actually easy.

It's that they use stolen credit cards so they just keep creating new accounts

[wary perch]

If the name still appear than it's not removed or it will show as deleted

[left rivet]

I don't think that applies on blacklist.

I mean i scrolled through before and didn't see any "cannot find username" things

[maiden lodge]

Doesn't mean their accounts haven't been flagged and suspended

[velvet fox]

Yeah, you can probably start at the top of your blacklist and start removing the vast majority of the obvious gil spammer names.

[maiden lodge]

If you flag and suspend an account until, say, 4040, you effectively permaban it, lock that name from being used by a future bot, and you apply a code (the 4040) that says why it's permabanned to anyone inside SE. This won't remove it from blacklists because the account still exists.

[velvet fox]

It'll free up a lot of space for actual blacklist use.

[dusk drift]

https://twitter.com/raeh_FFXIV/status/1399204834411229186?s=19

rae ⚠️ SPOILER ZONE ⚠️ (@raeh_FFXIV)

The entire hydaelyn vs zodiark conflict completely pales in comparison to what Dulia Chai would do to Fourchenault if they ever met face to face

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[maiden lodge]

There are internal reasons why you'd not want accounts deleted like that, you want to follow the item/money trail, for example, to find buyers. Buyers are the real target.

[soft gyro]

incase of mistaken ban, deleting an account would be unreversable

[maiden lodge]

Plus holding suspensions for hijacked accounts

And you want records with people who get perma'd for behavior, so that if they sockpuppet you can go 'Naw, this is Cheeseballs Ligma again'

[wary perch]

Look like zordiak drawing in ratika

[faint dagger]

Anyone know where Dabog 1 field note drops outside the duel?

[wary perch]

The skirmish in 3rd zone

[faint dagger]

in bsf, i assume?

[gaunt star]

Shouldnt it drop from the fate that spawns vigil? I'll check

Nevermind it drops from Murder Death Kill and duel
And yes, in bsf

The only bsf one im missing is lyon. mayeb ill get it with the castrum runs i need to do

[subtle pasture]

oh hey, lookin' at the EW promo stuff, proof the sharlayan crystal in Thavnair is placeholder

image from the Thavnair trailer

image from the announcement showcase

or at least, proof the decision to give this place a crystal came more recently?

[maiden lodge]

Yeah, that actually makes it less likely it's a placeholder.

Cause it shows they don't need a placeholder for aetherytes

[subtle pasture]

They might've, as far as needing the central space filled to redesign the ground and placement of other structures

[maiden lodge]

It seems more a deliberate decision, seeing as it looks like it's beyond the placeholder stage

That Garlean Tower being there tends to indicate it's past that initial part.

[somber storm]

Plus you know, they probably changed that place to have an aetheryte than a settlement with non

[wet crown]

I don't understand why Thavnair would have the same Sharlayan aetherryte

[maiden lodge]

I don't understand why they wouldn't use the generic aetheryte as a placeholder.

[subtle pasture]

Yeah, though my first thought is it would be, like, deliberate enough that we'll actually travel to Thavnair by the crystal

Like would Sharlayan aetherytes be able to TP people who aren't attuned to the other end? Maybe

[maiden lodge]

Well, the aetherytes we use are primarily sharlayan

[subtle pasture]

Of course, but I mean that Sharlayan styled crystal,

The other crystals in Thavnair match the one at Radz-at-Han-- which is very similar to the Eorzean standard, but with some new silks and jewels

[somber storm]

Sharlayans do set up aetherytes for most places

[maiden lodge]

I mean the answer could be as simple as 'That's an earlier model'

[somber storm]

Or they just sent in a replacement one with no time to make a Thavnair style crystal

[gaunt star]

Wouldnt it look strange if they used 1 new-and-cool aetheryte (or 2? Idr if the moon had one) but then thavnair has the default one and looks a bit lame

[maiden lodge]

If Sharlayan's aetheryte is an original, oldest model, or a brand spanking new model, it makes sense it wouldn't be everywhere and might only show up in trusted locations.

Perhaps Thavnairian research into the soul is something of greater importance or influence from sharlayan interests than one initially would see let on

[subtle pasture]

pardon the real 🔍 🔍 🔍

[maiden lodge]

Mare Lamentorum uses the Amaurot aetheryte, even in concept art.

[gaunt star]

Tho im looking at this from a not-in-universe-reason stand point

Ah fair enough, idk then xd

[subtle pasture]

See my thoughts was that the Nautilus styled crystal may have aetherbridge capabilities built in, thus they could also function as direct travel between each other

[maiden lodge]

I mean that is the generic aetheryte one DOES expect as placeholder.

[subtle pasture]

as in, we travel to Thavnair directly through the nautilus style

It's not, the base is more decorated

[maiden lodge]

I mean sure but that's added assets

[subtle pasture]

super subtle diff, but yeah orz

--then how is copy-pasting the sharlayan crystal any different?

[maiden lodge]

IF they wanted to use a placeholder for Thavnair, and they already had that aetheryte they'd have used that one

Using two or three different kinds of aetherytes as placeholders for aetherytes kinda... isn't... what you... that... that's not placeholder behavior

[pine epoch]

a placeholder would be a standardize aetheryte

[subtle pasture]

Why'd a port town of Thavnair have the nautilus style and not Radz-at-Han

[maiden lodge]

So when you see a non-standard Aetheryte in a place it 'should not be' (despite a lack of lore saying it should not be there), then the question 'Why is this there?' is not evidence that it's a placeholder, it's a question they intend for you to ask

[maiden lodge]

Better: Why do you assume they do not intend for you to ask this question?

[pine epoch]

inb4, Sharlayan are actually the real villains of the story

And are conquering the world. and Fandaniel is a member of the Forum

joking aside

[subtle pasture]

I'm not assuming that, I'm even arguing it's deliberate and will be how we access Thavnair, but otherwise,

[maiden lodge]

That could even be a Sharlayan consulate.

[maiden lodge]

tbf if we start waving that around whenever people start speculating, we could never speculate

[pine epoch]

I was about to type Sharlayan consulate and maybe when we arrive a sect of Sharlayans who oppose the do nothing attitude help us along and send us on our way to Thavnair? and that is a Sharlayan beach head.

idk spit ballin.

[subtle pasture]

when the game is live, stuff is no longer in development tho

[simple axle]

dammit man everytime a girl roe enters the story she dies

[subtle pasture]

Merlwyb

[simple axle]

yet

[balmy mesa]

note that I'm convinced that the "shell" motif that Sharlayan has is pointing towards something significant
I just don't know what
but it's in the flesh dungeon, as well as the aetheryte design, as well as the Forum itself

[maiden lodge]

Naw, I'm just saying, if we start countering every act of speculation on endwalker based on what we're shown deliberately to spark speculation, with 'subject to change' then the conversation ends. Its a conversation ender, nothing more

[subtle pasture]

Better it be ended than dragged on 4 hours on semantics. Anyroad.

--Yeah Sharlayan has their aetherbridge tech and I genuinely hope that it's even built into their home crystal,

bc wouldn't it be sick to just, enter Thavnair by TPing from Sharlayan?

[maiden lodge]

Meanwhile Thancred still has to walk.

'It's on an island' Nope, still has to walk
'but boats' Nope, walkin

[pine epoch]

Thancred takes a bunch of Ether Drugs and temporarily can run on water thats how he gets there

[subtle pasture]

As for that town's development, though, I'm trying to compare the two angles to see if that central plaza actually did change pre- and post-Crystal, but the perspective is fucking with me too much

[maiden lodge]

til Urianger's nick name in Final Fantasy Hogwarts was Ether Drugs.

[somber storm]

Gillie weed

[subtle pasture]

It looks like the grass behind the crystal was shaped in,-- but the largest difference would probably be placing that rock formation behind whatever filters they do for far off objects

[pine epoch]

Where is 31. 34. 35. 38. from?

[subtle pasture]

Field records? Uhhh,

[pine epoch]

44. and 45 are lyon and menenius from either dalriada or their 1 v 1s

[subtle pasture]

Atori and Tsubame, they're always present with Kosyu and Oboro respectively, so whichever skirms they're part in,

[balmy mesa]

so in the first zone

[subtle pasture]

Meryall can come form Cuchulainn's chest in the Dalriada, but she's also alongside any of Lovro's skirms, her Z1 skirm is An Immoral Dilemma

Fabineau is in An End to All Atrocities, the skirm that spawns Never Cry Wolf

[pine epoch]

So the Skirmishes that keep dropping Kosyu and Oboro for me are also Atori and Tsubame? and just keep farming Immoral Dilemma and End to all atrocities until I get the remaining 2?

or farm Dalriada because I gotta get lyon and menenius

[subtle pasture]

Meryall participates in A Demented Mentor and the Student Becalms the Master, the skirms where Lovro is tempered

[wet crown]

@pine epoch https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/122CszAaiUanOdRhEOcjUkjkzxoo229e_LIdKg-btfs0/edit#gid=0

I should drop my attempts at Llofii's notes and get Tsubame and Meryall first.

[pine epoch]

I could of sworn I had Dabog 1 from BSF and Sartovoir

but no, I gotta go back and get those 2. Which the sartovoir skirmish is like up 90% of the time. murder death kill however usually dies super quickly

But im almost done with this.

[wet crown]

this futile grind in zone 1 is really impacting my enjoyment, ngl

[gaunt star]

Zadnor?

[wet crown]

yeah

[devout musk]

What futile grind

[gaunt star]

Sadge

Also if my 30 castrums dont give me lyon field notes i will cause problems on purpose

[balmy mesa]

zadnor zone 1 kind of sucks a little
but it seems to be picking up now that people understand it a bit better

[wet crown]

I really hate that people start getting lazy with their essences

[gaunt star]

here's to praying Bozja won't be dead come 6.0... and I mean the first area as a whole.

[balmy mesa]

Bozja won't be, it's a good way to level still

[gaunt star]

even compared to Zadnor?

[balmy mesa]

it'll probably have roughly the same activity level as Eureka
well, Zadnor isn't accessible until you complete the first part of the StQ storyline, so you need to be at least rank 10

[gaunt star]

wark- ?

[frigid ferry]

well... medals compensate that to some degree

[wet crown]

if only they had them

[frigid ferry]

I'm not very active in Zadnor and have 2/4/0 atm

[wet crown]

I should get 0/7/0 later today

grind isn't as bad as I thought it'd end up being

ahh shit, have to do CLL before the weekly reset

[gaunt star]

Th'uban should have a little more health

Poor guy spawns and then 5 seconds later he dies

[pine epoch]

Can't wait for datacenter visit there are a couple of yall here I wanna play with in 14

[signal vault]

can't wait until I ditch most of the tank accessories after I got war to 80

[gaunt star]

is it your last tank?

[signal vault]

ye

[gaunt star]

Ah, congrats.

[signal vault]

considering stop leveling new classes in a while

[gaunt star]

i'm bot gonna leve any more until like EW.

[signal vault]

but exp from zadnor would be waste

[dawn wave]

i wanna get all to 80 before EW

[signal vault]

same

but it's painful

[wet crown]

I leveled 5 jobs through Bozjan content

[chilly bluff]

Aw I missed the argument about Diabolos the other day. Although I will say I'm glad we got confirmation that he's a second rung voidsent.

[brazen trout]

not sure where to ask this but where can i see the non-glowy versions of the last stage of the shb relic weapon?

[coarse pond]

https://youtu.be/izP3jKFHZYA

WTF is this and why it's so funny

[soft gyro]

square, please don't make an an attack smaller than its own hitbox

ever again

[gaunt star]

Context?

[soft gyro]

dalriada last boss

big circle right under boss

[gaunt star]

I mean

Isn't that standard in some extreme fights?

[soft gyro]

not that it is smaller than it's own hitbox no

and the hitbox in savage isn't this huge

[maiden lodge]

It is kinda common

[soft gyro]

uploading spoiler...

can't even corps a corps to the safespot

[gritty pawn]

There isn’t a non-glowy version for this series of weapons, they go from augmented laws order (glowy) to blades (glowy)

[gaunt star]

And? Ya'll have sprint buttons.

[maiden lodge]

There is, you can buy Matte Replicas.

[clever flume]

there is a non glowy version, its the matte replica

[brazen trout]

oh shit so this isnt the relic?https://twitter.com/ArceFF14/status/1398716060132528128?s=20

Arce @ FF14 ( Mana / Asura ) (@ArceFF14)

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[soft gyro]

i know there is the sprint button.. but still annoying that you can't use corps a corps.

[maiden lodge]

It is the relic. There is no 'non glow step' but you can get, after completion, a non-glow version

[clever flume]

!iglam Matte Replica Blade's Serenity

[lusty shadow]

**Matte Replica Blade's Serenity** **:** Pugilist's Arm

Images of glamour items by Gamer Escape.

[brazen trout]

ah okay
thanks :D

[gaunt star]

And? Its called Sprinting.

[soft gyro]

and i believe this is the only boss in the game that does this

[soft gyro]

can't do damage while i sprint duh

my autoattacks barely do damage

[gaunt star]

You're a Red Mage. You have a melee combo and some pwoerful OGCD's.

[soft gyro]

ah well but i could use that ranged meme thing

[maiden lodge]

!action Enchanted Reprise

[lusty shadow]

**Enchanted Reprise** : lvl 76 RDM (2.2 second cooldown)(Instant cast time)

Deals unaspected damage with a potency of 300.
Balance Gauge Cost: 5 Black Mana
Balance Gauge Cost: 5 White Mana

※This action cannot be assigned to a hotbar.

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[soft gyro]

not as powerful as using a normal spell

[gaunt star]

And?

[maiden lodge]

You're a RDM you shouldn't be off in the boonies.

[gaunt star]

All I hear are excuses.

[clever flume]

yiazmat's room wide aoe that's got a safe spot under him is slightly smaller than his hitbox

[gaunt star]

I am literally a Black Mage main and even I'm smarter than this.

[soft gyro]

slightly yeah

still doable with corps a corps

[clever flume]

either way though that is kind of on you because you're pretty far away from the boss to begin with, should be that far away

[soft gyro]

ah yeah, i kinda was already on my instinct

so like "oh i gotta go in asap, 'use corps-a-corps'"

[maiden lodge]

potency per second of Reprise: 136.36
Potency per second of Verstone->Verthunder: 116

[soft gyro]

still annoying that the boss does it that way.

[maiden lodge]

Yes, bosses are kinda designed to do shit to take you off your game

[torpid yoke]

plan ahead. thats what caster is all about

[soft gyro]

planning ahead is boring

[maiden lodge]

only so much planning you can there

It's more of a 'learn through failure, now you know'

[torpid yoke]

i mean in the armament situation you can

[soft gyro]

not gonna plan out every time that boss does a big ass annoying circle

[gaunt star]

Then see you in Hell.

[maiden lodge]

Naw, just don't be off in the boonies, RDM should live closer to a boss than other casters

[soft gyro]

i mean, i know how to do the mechanic, i just don't need to plan it out.

[gaunt star]

Your video says otherwise.

[soft gyro]

yeah this one instance

[torpid yoke]

shouldnt be out in the boonies for any job really

[soft gyro]

which i wilfully showed you that i was annoyed and i know that i can't do corps-a-corps

[maiden lodge]

booniemancer says otherwise

[soft gyro]

and what do you think i was gonna do? continue using corps-a-corps even though i know it does not work?

[torpid yoke]

is that all the range physicals?

[maiden lodge]

no, that should be on cooldown. Only time you should be away from the boss is dodging a mechanic or post displacement

[soft gyro]

true that, i guess i forget to press it sometimes

though, that was right after the boss did the "i am going to go into a ball and not be targatable"

[simple axle]

diablo's portal shit is too big brain for me god

[maiden lodge]

E7S players: 'Portals are easy they're a joke'
Diablo Armament: "HEARD YOU TALKIN SHIT"

[soft gyro]

as i can see in my video (in a longer timestamp) i had my corps-a-corps up after when he turned into a ball

[viscid monolith]

Does Booniemancer cast mosquitoe swarm and alligator bite

[simple axle]

tbh they're not that bad probably but i'm dealing with SEA ping + big hitbox

[maiden lodge]

The canadian version just has a honey farm and is fairly decent of reclusive folk

[simple axle]

so i have to play like 3 seconds into the future as always

[maiden lodge]

The telegraph is one of those 'too late you got GOT' types.

Basically to show the path for instruction purposes, not to actually be the tell

[viscid monolith]

I hate those aoes

[gaunt star]

We hate you too.

[simple axle]

as is everything in this expansion

[viscid monolith]

And yet I can't remember any notable examples of it

[maiden lodge]

Kyklops uses them.

[soft gyro]

@maiden lodge

[viscid monolith]

Who

[gaunt star]

Kyclops... Hatali HM or- ?

[maiden lodge]

Anamnesis Anyder

[gaunt star]

Oh--

[viscid monolith]

Oh that guy

[simple axle]

...who

[gaunt star]

OH THAT BOSS. FUCK I HATED IT.

[viscid monolith]

Ha I get it they use K instead of C

[maiden lodge]

You see them often in savage too, the idea is to show you where an attack is happening, not to warn you about it coming

It's to teach you that the tell is something else

In the case of Kyklops, whether it's 2000-minna swing or eye of the beholder

The spell cast itself is the tell

[viscid monolith]

And minna iiiis what unit of measurement?

[maiden lodge]

force, on the First, if context clues are a thing

[soft gyro]

weirdly rdm lb3's for zadnor enemies are less flashy

[maiden lodge]

Why cant I counter LB3 with my LB3

[torpid yoke]

only the two of them get to do that

[maiden lodge]

Oh well Lovro takes five years to cast a jolt maybe not the best teacher

[viscid monolith]

It's a lot smaller too

Crimson Scourge

[soft gyro]

not VERmillion

[torpid yoke]

its a more powerful jolt :D

[viscid monolith]

It'll one shot everyone too

[gaunt star]

running around with portals then having to go to that tiny ass space is so annoying

doesnt matter if you're a caster and plan out ur shit or whatever its still annoying lmao

[soft gyro]

oh and if you are any class that has a gap closer and you use it out of habit, you die basically

[gaunt star]

Good thing i'm smart enough to always have a charge ready just in case.

I say that, and I mostly play tanks, wtf would I be doing far away from the boss anyway?

[soft gyro]

which class? cause iirc, all tanks that has a gap closer are just a gap closer and won't work with that kind of attack

[gaunt star]

Yes.

Though I do play WAR less than the others, but I also know I have sprint.

[soft gyro]

sprint is cool and all when you remember to use it

like an idiot brain i am i just don't think

[gaunt star]

We noticed.

[gilded kindle]

I guess I have the opposite problem, where I sprint and do mechanics but forget about my gcds in the meantime

[soft gyro]

well, its like the only attack in the whole relic grind that ever requires to use sprint, less required, but like aware of using it.

[gaunt star]

ok im confused but whose the statue at sharlayan

Thaliak? Whoever it is they’re male

ye ik its male just forgot who it represented thanks!

[maiden lodge]

You're not required to use sprint.

[soft gyro]

check the edit

[maiden lodge]

Sprint just helps.

In that specific situation.

[soft gyro]

sprint just helps at that one specific situation in the whole relic grind

[maiden lodge]

It also helps during DR

[soft gyro]

which attack?

[gilded kindle]

it also helps when the marked guy keeps running away from rofocale >_>;

[maiden lodge]

Many attacks. Sprint is just useful.

[soft gyro]

idk never had problems with it

[gaunt star]

Yet you had problems with not-Diabolos.

[soft gyro]

i mean, problems as in sprint was somewhat very useful

[maiden lodge]

If you're dead center of one of those 'knockbacks into cones' sprint is pretty darn useful

ALso when that guy goes across the field, to be in position

Also Isolde-form Trinity Avowed for Fires of Bozja

Aslo great for greeding during Trinity Seeker's aoe you have to hide for.

[gaunt star]

[maiden lodge]

This is no different a situation, where you're out of position and you need to get into position

[soft gyro]

Isolde-form Trinity Avowed for Fires of Bozja

[maiden lodge]

No, that's in normal, both the lizard guy AND the wraith do it

[soft gyro]

oh, yeah that is useful

[maiden lodge]

YEah when most of the field except the five squares on the side are on fire

[subtle pasture]

Deffo Thaliak, yeah. Can see his symbol on the statue's shoulder, briefly.

[clever flume]

also makes sense that it would be thaliak since the ewer card shows him pouring water out of a vase and he's sharlayan's patron

[maiden lodge]

Sprint's also useful for greeding on RDM, if you plan it out but that's neither here nor there.

[gaunt star]

I'm not even at DR and I can tell just how handy Sprint can be for Mercy Fourfold...

[maiden lodge]

On RDM? Less so.

[gaunt star]

As tank I mean, talking about what it'd be like for me.

[soft gyro]

mercy fourlords just stand in the middle of the boss and move 1mm

[maiden lodge]

You can slidecast through all that no problem. People are adverse to standing in the hitbox.

Like when he does Verdant Path and it's the red aura, I just get in his hitbox and ignore the world

[soft gyro]

worst part about rdm in that part might be that you started the cast on the wrong timing

[maiden lodge]

Naw.

You dodge twice, max, one time if he's generous

I won't even play merry-go-round games with the lizard any more

Dodge into the fire cone, dodge back, continue casting

I'd probably only need to dodge once if I started behind him but I keep forgetting that.

[gaunt star]

i was doing my first delriada yday and it was so flawless until diabolos happend

[gilded kindle]

hrm I guess mercy even gives you time to plan ahead unlike e10s

[signal vault]

same

we all die to him

Diablo comes it's when everyone die and healer lb3

[gaunt star]

i was doing fine until about 50% lmao

[signal vault]

we all do

[gaunt star]

got ressed by a random rdm like 5 times

[signal vault]

the rolling ball got you heh ? or is it the laser on the floor

[gaunt star]

first time the rolling shit

[signal vault]

[grave raft]

i hate that e7 mechanic too

[gaunt star]

the other times it was laser xd

[signal vault]

bro, I died like 5 times in a row because of raidwide

[gaunt star]

also can we talk about how u dont get mettle from ur first run

[signal vault]

and healer using profane, I got up to died to raidwide again

[gaunt star]

3 mil wasted

[signal vault]

got up, low hp, died to raidwide

[gaunt star]

lmao

[signal vault]

repeat like 5 times

[gaunt star]

honestly if it wasnt for the people with the mettle medals w/e the fight would be a mess

[signal vault]

the one that kills the most is the rolling ball

it's confusing

the next one is the laser because it deals initial dmg before exploding

[gaunt star]

i was following a certain person around xdd

for the ball parts xd

[signal vault]

ball rolling through and 5 people died

people that don't have weakness don't use Lb3 or healers don't LB3 when 6 people die

like yo, please, we all fucking die on the floor, just use the lb3 already

the triangle laser and the acceleration bomb also kill a lot

[wet crown]

people are always hesitant on using limit breaks

in Paradigm's Breach, when fighting Her Inflorescenes, you can LB3 her immidiately and get another LB1 at the end. Just don't wait on it.
But people get snippy for that

[signal vault]

i'd rather have someone sniped the damn lb3 and do dmg already (unless it's a fucking tank on dungeon) than just wait and waste it

you die, you lose stat, who gonna LB now

[gaunt star]

lmao 3 of my deaths were me trying to ress our healer

pain in the asss

[signal vault]

you know what is even worse, no healer party.

[wet crown]

full cure is actually neat

[signal vault]

no healer party, you get rez, you die to raidwide again

[wet crown]

odd though, I see so many WHMs

[signal vault]

but when the party was formed at the start

[gaunt star]

the healer was ressing their better half all the time which was a machinist, but left 2 RDMs[1 of em me] dead xd

[signal vault]

people just invite everyone, sometimes there's no healer

I should ask for healer switch , asking some healers to come over please

[gaunt star]

like theres no reason to ress a machinist over a red mage who can ress others

[wet crown]

I'd also rather rez DNCs over any of the melee DPS

[gaunt star]

we didnt have that one

[viscid monolith]

They're holding it in case the healer needs it

[gaunt star]

[maiden lodge]

'why do people have different information'

Because... they just do?

[stray granite]

When housing becomes available in 6.1

its only open for FCs first right?

oh wait I think this is wrong place lol

[maiden lodge]

Usually how it works

[chilly bluff]

We’re not sure. They mentioned changes to the system but they didn’t specify.

[clever flume]

shirogane was free for all initially

[gaunt star]

Initially?

What happened?

[chilly bluff]

Yeah it was a bloodbath. Jokes aside, every plot sold out in maybe five minutes.

[gaunt star]

Oh that kind of free for all. I thought it was something about now requiring something to access it period~~ without the help of friends or FC~~.

[chilly bluff]

I think that was the last time they added plots under the old system?

So yeah there were very few, if any restrictions. Which was the big problem.

[gaunt star]

there was a new system?

[chilly bluff]

The current restrictions, as in the hidden timers and purchase limits and stuff, did not exist at first. House flipping was a huge issue. The restrictions in place now are in fact an improvement over how it used to be.

[livid viper]

Is there any place where people exchange information about Zadnor/BSF (e.g. duel, dalriada, lost actions, resistance honors) specifically?

[signal vault]

Here

5.55 is literally only abou Bozjan, Zadnor. So we just talk here

[toxic loom]

Have we got any new info on new spells or/if they are reworking some classes

[gaunt star]

aside from how Reaper will have Scythe, Avatar, and Scythe/Avatar actions? I don't think so.

[woven escarp]

drg will get a third column AOE upgrade at level 90, it's purple instead of red and it takes the place of the capstone level 90 skill other jobs get while also bloating drg's rotation with a second unnecessary post-jump proc button press to charge the new skill

mirage dive combos with the new proc of course

mnk will get another useless AOE ogcd that sucks and has an enormous CD despite having no utility or value besides "slap this button off cooldown"

[chilly bluff]

Serious answer, no we don’t have any idea of what changes are coming aside from AST being shifted to a pure healer to fit the new healer sub roles and a potential SMN rework. Aside from that we know next to nothing about job changes. They will have a big live letter talking about it before expansion however.

[woven escarp]

it'll be after the media tour, yeah

I'm just salted because they've consistently shaved all the interesting bobbins off drg and managed to make it more bloated despite making it less complicated to play

"we got rid of phlebotomize because it was too much upkeep, so we baked that potency loss into all the skills" 🎊 "in exchange geirskogul is now your level 60 AND 70 skill, plus you have to combo off jump every 30s to use it" the monkey's paw curls

[icy abyss]

Anybody remember fire arrow? Or is that too ancient

[woven escarp]

the GTAOE?

[chilly bluff]

Fire arrow and wide volley

Miss those every day

[icy abyss]

Or protect

[deft burrow]

Virus

[woven escarp]

fire arrow was hilarious because you'd use it exactly 0.3 seconds before the tank would continue the pull and yoink everything out of the AOE

"oh, you burned a 60s cd on this? time to move"

[icy abyss]

I remember spamming wide volley just for the animation

[woven escarp]

didn't wide volley ultimately end up being replaced with/by rain of death?

[icy abyss]

No it was always there iirc

[chilly bluff]

Yeah quick nock, wide volley, fire arrow, and rain of death were always available.

Until they got trimmed at least

[livid viper]

Thanks
I'm looking for discussions about how to clear duels, how to efficiently earn mettle, the condition to pop three loots after dalriada b1, etc., but people here seem interested in different topics

[rocky pivot]

can you do the Relic Item grind unsync?

The Raid Item Step

[quick tapir]

nop

[topaz river]

The condition for the 3rd chest is that the top and bottom bosses of the first fight have to be cleared within 10-15 seconds of each other

Mettle is just do Fates and CE as always

Duels will have guides out eventually

[livid viper]

Oh, thank you so much!

[wet crown]

Been thinking. Would've prefered from a story perspective if Lovro ended up being the 3rd duel instead of Lyon.

[kindred rampart]

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[gaunt star]

And Lyon is 68

Pretty agile for someone his age

[gaunt star]

agile and fucking brutal.

[main patio]

what does the dynamis dice do in bozja?

[placid sail]

gamba

[main patio]

gamba?

[placid sail]

random chance

I know that one of the options is a random limit break

[main patio]

can one be me dying?

[gaunt star]

Seemingly.

[crystal arrow]

I believe it has a chance to give you doom, so yes

[drowsy belfry]

Courtesy of the Crystal Exploratory Discord

Any of these have a random chance to pop from Dynamis Dice, buuut if you were to happen to get an Essence of the Gambler from DR SAvage

[heady shadow]

alright. Unsibbing till endwalker.

gonna fresh my brain with minecraft and some eve online mwhahaha> (also note i never did to .55 so i only know about the disowning part)

[gaunt star]

gonna unsub once I get full Cryptlurker Maiming armor.

[dim sigil]

Need.to cap. Honors

[next quarry]

I need

card

[gaunt star]

[fast warren]

Lyon is the epitome of Foxy Grandpa

[kind lark]

That's a long leg

[clever flume]

pretty sure that's an elbow

[opaque hemlock]

That's a long elbow

[unreal gale]

Not every villain needs a 'tragic' backstory, but if your villain is nothing but unhinged, whatever he does should be interesting enough to make up for it.

[rain onyx]

I mean fancy Daniel wants to end all life

[unreal gale]

Fandaniel is boring atm, but I'll hold off 'till EW to judge.

[kind lark]

What were people's thoughts on Emet before shadowbringers?

[viscid monolith]

They liked him because he was Kuja

If they did a FF9 remake it would be popular. The young people like Kuja archetypes these days for some reason. I blame tumblr.

[gaunt star]

Always blame Tumblr, but as someone that has not played FF9, what's the "Kuja Archetype"?

[wind bough]

Theatre kid

[bold condor]

...I really don't see the correlation between Kuja and Emet-Selch.

[maiden lodge]

That he was a lore bombing savage-tier roaster who was really good at making Varis feel bad about his life

[bold condor]

I see the correlation between Emet-Selch and the Onceler.

[rain onyx]

NO

[wind bough]

Yeah neither. Honestly Fandaniel and Emet have similar vibes in their introductions

[viscid monolith]

Theatrical and flamboyant

[bold condor]

That's... so what does that make Kefka a Kuja Archetype?

[maiden lodge]

Solus shows up, fucking drops game changing lorebombs and then goes 'later I'm off to another world, toodles' and we're like... 'this guy is going to be a gas.' We did not expect him to be an actual sympathetic character we'd love in that way.

[viscid monolith]

Shit you're right I should say Kefka

[woven escarp]

I wonder why they even introduced varis and emet-selch when emet basically abandoned his plan about 40 seconds after he appeared

[wind bough]

But Emet was puppy dog hot and Fandaniel has Asahi face so people find him less likeable

[maiden lodge]

Solus never abandoned his plan.

[woven escarp]

"oh yeah, we're going to kill everyone using vespene gas" "wait, that's fucking stupid, never mind, I'm going off to the first, toodles"

[bold condor]

But Kefkafuckers aren't Tumblr people (usually. Usually they're sad nerd boomers who played FF6 when it was called FF3 in the US).

[viscid monolith]

I'm just fixated on how much I hate Kuja because he's a pain in the ass I'm butthurt about losing to one in Dissidia.

[maiden lodge]

Solus, actually, set the Black Rose plan in motion, which sets the stage for Shadowbringers entirely

[bold condor]

^

[viscid monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/final-fantasy-kuja-ffix-dissidia-gif-18550608

[woven escarp]

I'm actually pretty convinced that they gave fandaniel asahi's face specifically because fans complained that tsukuyomi stole the player's ability to kill asahi

[bold condor]

Emet is also not hot. Or, at least, not just from his design.

[maiden lodge]

'sad nerd boomers who played FF6 when it was called FF3'

...we're sad generation xers thank you

[bold condor]

His personality in Shadowbringers is what got him his fangirls, not his looks.

[viscid monolith]

People drew Emet from memory and made him much hotter than he actually is.

I call this the Estinein Effect

[woven escarp]

it's the horny glasses most people wear

[maiden lodge]

Some of the ladies and gents like a byronic tragic villain.

And unlike some final fantasy villains, Emet canonically fucks

[bold condor]

Indeed. Which is Kuja, too, just Kuja's not, like, the villain people think of when they go for this?

Like, there's at least something there, but wouldn't Ardyn be the more obvious Emet?

Or, like, one of the Kingdom Hearts villains people actually like?

...Xemnas in KH2?

[maiden lodge]

Ardyn's much more self-centered in his motivations.

[viscid monolith]

Xemnas? Nah I don't think of Xemnas.

[brisk quail]

When 5.56 hotfix to make Sav and Lyon notes drop more?

[maiden lodge]

Like Emet is 'My world got fucked up I gotta fix it' and Ardyn is 'I got fucked up, now everyone should eat glass'

[brisk quail]

[wind bough]

Emet was widely compared to Ardyn when he first appeared

[maiden lodge]

Emet is... in a way... a romantic villain

And that romantic nature really informs a lot of his base goals and struggles, AND his conflict with us specifically.

Ardyn seems a lot less internally conflicted.

[dim sigil]

Asahis va is great was under used glad he's back

[maiden lodge]

Emet-fuckers have some semblance of reasoning there, like, I get it.

[dim sigil]

Arden is a bit different depending if you want to take his DLCs Canon

[maiden lodge]

Kefka-fuckers are just Joker-fuckers but hipster.

[dim sigil]

Doesn't help kefka has no backstory

[maiden lodge]

Kefka has a backstory.

[dim sigil]

So there's nothing to know about him other than his clown gesture being evil

I mean yeah we know about the experiments we don't know who he was or that although I guess maybe backstory is not the right word

[crystal arrow]

Just explain him away as some insane, nero-esque emperor of allag who was lost to history, bam

[maiden lodge]

Kefka is the first successful magitek knight but the process was exceedingly painful and rendered him completely unable to empathize with anyone or anything. Cid later made the process less so when it came to Celes.

[dim sigil]

I just like to imagine that you was probably just a pretty basic dude third place

Then bam magiteck

[maiden lodge]

But also, Kefka's value in his villainy is not his backstory. It's his unrepentant evil and thirst for power for no reason other than to destroy everything for funsies. Some villainy doesn't have a sympathetic goal or want. Some people do horrific things and no one knows why.

[dim sigil]

Yeah he doesn't really need one

Man I remember playing 6 years ago and having this idea that all the games were connected and trying to figure what ff the magi war was and deicded it was ff2 that was dumb

[maiden lodge]

The term and the use of a tripartate war was a FF6 reference, tbf

[stiff charm]

i tried to connect the 13th with ff13 lol

i have never played 13

[dim sigil]

13 has more connections with the i r l our world then the 13th

[stiff charm]

i looked up the endings for 13 and like 13-2 has a secret ending where theres a flood of darkness so i went with that

[north parcel]

I just did the first part of the relic quest and can I just say it's say G'jusana is still in slavery after an indiscriminate amount of time

btw has anyone found any secrets in NG+ of nier

[stiff charm]

no

[severe brook]

The sole real link between XIII and the Thirteenth Shard is Igeyorhm resembling Lightning some behind her mask. And I guess maybe the Thirteenth being undone by heroes becoming monsters could be compared to the role of Ragnarok in XIII? Though that’s an absurd stretch.

[north parcel]

lol i haven't finished xiii but I don't think lighting's goal was to destroy the world from the shadows

[brisk quail]

So in 6.0 will gerolt finally retire? Will he be free of debt?

[chilly bluff]

Gerolt willingly puts himself back in to debt.

He has the skill to dig himself out whenever he wants. He just chooses not to.

[gaunt star]

I assume just by forging some random adventurers' some of the greatest weapons ever?

[chilly bluff]

https://gamerescape.com/2016/02/05/the-lore-train-duty-commenced-gerolt-rowena-lore-lowdown/

They have a pretty sad back story.

[gaunt star]

Jesus.

[north parcel]

back in 1.x rowena would accept allagan runestones

[chilly bluff]

So that random wedding dress thing at the start of Bozja was one of his actual memories leaking in because he hasn't forgotten that day.

[north parcel]

I wonder what the purpose of allagan runestones was

[chilly bluff]

In game they bought gear sets like tomes do now. Except they were marked with the symbols of the Twelve and each rune bought a different piece.

[north parcel]

well I meant what the ishgardian buyer used them for

[chilly bluff]

Iunno lol

[somber storm]

EW relic is just gonna be Rowena and Gerolt getting back together

[pine epoch]

Hear me out. The reason they didn't give us glamour in 5.55 is cause they are going to give us a Story specific glamour outfit in 6.0 msq

Because they want to make it Special

that is my conspiracy of the night

[north parcel]

bruh what's going on with StQ part 4?

anyone know if that's going to be 6.3 or what?

[crystal arrow]

that's the end screen of part 4, not the beginning

[north parcel]

I remember that being the first time I saw the phrase return of the queen

besides there have been 3 updates so far, (not including the cid part), actually I'll just look up a playthrough

okay yeah I see it now

[torpid yoke]

nah 5.58 we'll get the outfit. Tataru is currently working on it but couldnt meet the 5.55 deadline

[stiff charm]

nah, mogstation only

[north parcel]

also why isn't there a final stage to the relic gear

they must be doing SOME kind of addition to bozja, why would they make the aug'd versions stop now of all times

[dim sigil]

Wym they feel quite done

[gaunt star]

Are they already dyeable? Weapons and armor?

[dim sigil]

Weapons are, idk about the ff12 cast armor

[north parcel]

every other set had an aug'd version, the 2nd aug'd version required you to have the 2nd aug'd version, implying some final reward for getting the final aug'd set

also eureka had must have relic armor

[drowsy belfry]

It's not relic armor tho

It's three entirely different sets you can get independent of each other

Eureka was One set that you could augment like normal Tome gear

[north parcel]

regardless, it's still really weird that they dropped the augmentation system

[crystal arrow]

not really

[drowsy belfry]

The gear already hits just above unaugmented Tomestone gear, they couldn't upgrade it any further without taking into account the already established BiS

which is alot more hassle then it's worth this late into the savage tier

[dim sigil]

The only missing thing is diable artifact weapon

[north parcel]

none of the other aug'd sets increased stats though

it was just haste iirc

[drowsy belfry]

So all the augments got moved to the prestige system

[crystal arrow]

not to mention they also didn't really make the aug law's order visually distinct like what happened w/ the elemental armor soo i kinda doubt they'd have time to make a whole other new gearset

[drowsy belfry]

Meaning if you already have the augmented Law's Order set, the Haste Earring and 10/10/10 Vows. Savage is trivialised

[crystal arrow]

btw hedge, how's the raw emotion farm going

[drowsy belfry]

Almost done with Weapon numbero 6

[dim sigil]

I have raw emotions 😿 😿

[crystal arrow]

damn

[clever flume]

hedge how's your sanity

[drowsy belfry]

Absolutely gone

[dim sigil]

Im at 5 stacks of dps honors thats cool

[crystal arrow]

hedge how many DRs have you run or is that all dalriada

[pine epoch]

While they could of made a augmented Zadnor set requiring augmented law and order for even more haste. It is not really needed as the haste from law and order is good enough

[drowsy belfry]

Oh all Dalriada, you can't get me back in DR unless it's for a savage run

[north parcel]

purpose doesn't matter, needs symmetry, even if there isn't a different model for the gear

[pine epoch]

Hedge today I saw someone that had 10 in 2 stats dps and health and 5 in Healing. wearing full augmented dr gear

and they were on their 8th relic

[crystal arrow]

DR is a lot quicker now fwiw, I ran it earlier this week and had an almost sub 30min run

[drowsy belfry]

Oh my god

I'll admit I've been trying to keep myself sane trying to do some on the side note farming

To uh, little to no luck

[pine epoch]

DR savage will end the same way BA ended

where at first you needed to form groups. but it will turn into fragfarm parties where you just need 1 guy on call out duty

[drowsy belfry]

If somebody can like do the 1v1s for me or manipulate RNG I'd appreciate it

[pine epoch]

and you can take like 20 blind people in and still clear the final boss.

Play Red Mage, Hedge. Speed kill them

[drowsy belfry]

I DO WANNA TRY THAT

[north parcel]

lol meteor wipe though

[pine epoch]

I got Dabog 2 from the Skirmish today

[drowsy belfry]

I dunno if I got the ping to manage to change all the actions and then pull a Lost Flare Star

Haven't really had the chance to try either

Tho i suppose if I can BLU cheese stuff I can do that

[pine epoch]

was very Pog moment. Every time I go into Zadnor now. I need Just Pursuit, and End of atrocities. and Attack of the supersoldiers/Fele the Burn Notes

also lyon menenius from either getting their 1v1 or their boss chest in dalriada

[drowsy belfry]

I've done Supersoldier Rising so many times with noooo luck

[crystal arrow]

lyon also drops from blackburn (the CE), so I've heard

[pine epoch]

A friend sent me a stupid meme of arenvald

We workshoped the idea of Arenvald rolling around in his wheel chair armed to the teeth with machine guns.

That is what my friend sent me

[crystal arrow]

I saw this on the sub LOL

beautiful. perfection

[north parcel]

I imagine this is for espionage since he isn't going to be fighting on the front lines

[pine epoch]

not with that attitude

[drowsy belfry]

Nah man, Magitek Leg Braces

Give him that Donkey Kick

[pine epoch]

Arenvald has his leg amputated and replaces it with a Machine leg that has a rocket launcher in it

[drowsy belfry]

Even cooler

[pine epoch]

He runs around with a Machine gun in 1 hand, and a Shotgun in the other

hes here to kick ass and chew bubble gum

[pine epoch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_IzJHNZGPM

[tulip geyser]

At the end of EW he's gonna hold hands with Fordola and Im so ready for it.

[somber storm]

Nah, Fordola gonna sit on his lap

[pine epoch]

This is arenvalds fate

[somber storm]

Fordola just resting her legs by sitting on Arenvald's lap

[north parcel]

I read the field notes on gabranth and they actually are an epilogue

so no dalmascan save the queen zone then

[pine epoch]

well save the queen ended in 5.55 Zadnor was the finale.

[stiff charm]

"im just tired, ye numbskull. its not like that"

[pine epoch]

there was never gonna be another part after Zadnor.

[stiff charm]

(they then kiss)

[pine epoch]

BUT, bare in mind. They are sequel baiting super hard just like they did with Return to Ivalice.

[somber storm]

"You had some food left in your mouth you dolt"

[royal scroll]

That's fucking gross

[north parcel]

well Idk about you but it felt like sequel baiting after part 4 ended to me

[stiff charm]

yes it is sequel baiting for somethign in endwalker or 7.0

[pine epoch]

Since no one is really sure of what events transpired in Valnain. Only that Lyon set it on fire and that there is a Corpse that may or may not be gabranth. And Sinicus was turned over to the dalmascans.

[somber storm]

Return to Ivalice 2: Fixer Upper

[pine epoch]

A Vagrant Story :3

[north parcel]

well we already know dalmasca was liberated from the field notes

and more importantly since all this bridge info is in the field notes they'd have to repeat it to make a sequel

[pine epoch]

Things to note, Gabranth bloodline has a hereditary illness. He is dying.

[north parcel]

and I think it'd be kinda weird to tell us what's going to happen next if there is going to be a sequel

[rough kestrel]

Get Arenvald onto some of that Garlean Super Soldier tech

[pine epoch]

The dalmascan liberation is not the sequel

We have no idea what the sequel will be, But Gabranth has been stock piling relics for some reason.

[rough kestrel]

Apparently the notes are in a past tense from the future?

It sounds like a mess to me and I'm annoyed that as of now, Gabranth has been a waste of time

[north parcel]

then why'd they make that cutscene that felt like sequel bait with the relics

[pine epoch]

And with the obviously most likely faking his death. (If that is the direction their going), the sequel will focus on Gabranth trying to find some way to cheat death.

[north parcel]

AND they left lyon alive

[rough kestrel]

@north parcel Because there's more, but if the notes are foretelling events yet to happen, then it means Dalmasca will be liberated sometime. I really hate the way they told it.

[north parcel]

also wtf is up with mikoto's visions

[rough kestrel]

Her Echo is: Fake drama

[north parcel]

that seemed like really lazy writing in hopes of making a sad moment

[rough kestrel]

And honestly, I think Mikoto is kind of a shit character because of her Ech

[pine epoch]

her visions of the future are out of context.

She may see something transpire but has no idea of why or how they start or end.

[rough kestrel]

Yeah no shit Xelion, it's called fake drama because the assumptions are wrong and it creates concern where none needed to be as it cant be changed anyway.

So her visions are just a huge, annoying waste of time

[pine epoch]

I mean, I always question why she believes they cant be changed.

[north parcel]

what annoys me is no explaination is given of why it's unchangable

[viscid monolith]

Because obviously she's tried to change them before

[indigo shale]

well if you dont know what causes it how can you stop it, it could be trying to prevent it what causes it also

[viscid monolith]

It's one of those really obvious things that doesn't need to be stated

[north parcel]

actually wait now that I think about it, she probably got on the ship cause she knew cid and that one pilot dude would die without here shield

[pine epoch]

yes

[wary perch]

Should have tie herself up and chain her up in lead in a dungeon and see how she drop from the airship lol

[north parcel]

still, they could've emphasized that instead of saying "ah yeah can't do anything"

[viscid monolith]

"The visions always happen and can't be changed"

"Oh she's probably attempted to change them before"

[stiff charm]

no no thats for cid to do later

[next quarry]

I wish he did it to me

[north parcel]

@viscid monolith doesn't change how stupid it is to let our imagination go wild with the 100s of ways we could change the fate, not to mention we could just put a trampoline under where she fell cause that's not in the vision

[viscid monolith]

Am I supposed to take that seriously

[pine epoch]

I mean... Im going to be honest. Her visions of the future are not bad writing.

Its not to your style, but her visions is a Trope in story telling. Mostly done in Western Comic books

[viscid monolith]

Cause you know there were like 10 other things going on at the same time right? The soldiers, the magitek, the mortar strikes

[crystal arrow]

I mean... it may very well be, given fran's final line to us

[north parcel]

that's why a trampoline would help

[viscid monolith]

Dalmasca is already liberated

[pine epoch]

I'd find it weird if dalmascan liberation is the sequel with how they told us it through the field notes of lyon and gabranth

[north parcel]

cause we could set it up before hand

[wary perch]

What's the priest line again in JoJo stone ocean arc when he fast forward time where everyone know what's going to happen in the future?

[north parcel]

like I don't mind the event itself, but the forced drama is annoying

[crystal arrow]

Fran straight up says smth along the lines of "perhaps we will meet again, in dalmasca"

[pine epoch]

I mean, thats a Natural response its not forced drama.

[wary perch]

As of now dalmasca is not yet liberated

[pine epoch]

Oh I def think dalmasca will take place in the sequel.

[viscid monolith]

It said so in the field notes

[pine epoch]

If you saw a vision of your best friend falling out of a airplane plumeting to their death. You would be freaked out and drama would insue

[crystal arrow]

I wonder when we'll end up going to nagxia, it seems pretty interesting since it seems like the vietnam/south asia equivalent

[pine epoch]

I wanna go to Fantasy Nam

[north parcel]

well a lot of people will say "oh I'm a healer this scene feels like forced drama" but you can suspend disbelief by saying that the wounds were too bad cause he got sucker punched or something, but there is no explaination for why they don't do anything preventative

[wary perch]

Six months into the future. Not now.
Gabranth still occupied dalmasca and Fran with the resistance still trying to liberate it

[crystal arrow]

obviously the answer is that the stq quests did a nier style ending better than the nier quests did

[viscid monolith]

This is stupid. I'm repressing this story until the next part.

[wary perch]

Tell that to Matsuno and Yoshi who approved the field note

[crimson pollen]

[crystal arrow]

[crystal arrow]

let's beat tf out of the XIth

[indigo shale]

how would you prevent something you have no context for, im pretty sure they dont even know the location of where the incident takes place, all they know is something happens causing her to fall out of the airship how do you prevent that with no information

[north parcel]

y'know the ages were wrong in the old field notes, maybe the quality control on them isn't perfect

[viscid monolith]

There's a huge difference between Graha saying

"The Scions will soon face the last great threat to the star"

and

"Gabaranth dies, Lyon and Menais are war criminals, and Dalmasca will be liberated all in 6 months"

[dim sigil]

What if they made an entire game set in dalmasca and called it ff12 😳

[viscid monolith]

Both are from a future perspective. One is vague and the other is really fucking specific.

[wary perch]

Like I said
Tell that to Yoshi and matsuno

[crystal arrow]

the only thing you can remotely say about this scene is that both us (the wol) and mikoto know that her visions don't ever show the full story so for all we know she doesn't die, but we act all pikachu face when it turns out that she doesn't, in fact, die

[north parcel]

@indigo shale they had plenty of content for it, they saw the rough area where the airship was, she explictly stated before the flight that I saw in my vision we succeeded, etc.

[wary perch]

Lyon and gabranth fieldnote basically ruined Future dalmasca story arc

[crystal arrow]

She was Lying.

[pine epoch]

But ya. My personal belief. the sequel whenever it happens will be Gabranth and Lyon looking for a way to save Gabranth from his illness. Maybe it will send us to lea Monde. maybe we could call it "A Vagrant Story."

[crystal arrow]

... definitely not, no.

[wary perch]

Because even if we confront gabranth in ew, we know he will escape with injury

[north parcel]

but they did suceed

[indigo shale]

we saw what she saw which was an airship in an unknown location, and her falling out of it and thats it, no way to prevent that

[crystal arrow]

We're still in a time bubble sooo we will probably never see those events

[viscid monolith]

More importantly the field notes are worded like this shit has happened, so I say it already happened until the next part proves otherwise.

[wind bough]

At the moment it's in a weird future framing device kinda situation

[wary perch]

Happened in 6months time

[wind bough]

But if we have another series of content feature Gabranth and Lyon, then that means there's been a six-month timeskip ingame.

[dim sigil]

Its actualy spoiling the time skip after 6.0

[wary perch]

That 6months may never come because of time bubble

[wind bough]

!time bubble at risk!

[lusty shadow]

Tick, Tock, Kupo!

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[wary perch]

[rough kestrel]

@viscid monolith Agreed because the story isn't told well enough IMO, they didnt need to fuck around like that

[wind bough]

uhhh

[viscid monolith]

Was that an accident

[wind bough]

thanks kupo

[crystal arrow]

It definitely hasn't already happened because we're in a time bubble.

[viscid monolith]

This is a guest writer. Matsuno doesn't respect the time bubble

[crystal arrow]

... doesn't matter? we're still in it.

[rough kestrel]

It does.

[wary perch]

I will wait for him to change some minor details again later

[crystal arrow]

No, it doesn't.

[viscid monolith]

6 months have passed and Dalmasca is liberated. And that's that.

[wind bough]

If future content comes out that is a sequel to this story with Gabranth and Lyon (and the final cutscenes of Zadnor strongly suggest a continuation) then the time bubble is broken.

[torpid yoke]

they can always change the amount of time that passed later

[unreal wadi]

who says Gabranth & Lyon are dead?

[north parcel]

where'd we get 6 months from anyway?

[rough kestrel]

Honestly, I don't get the appeal of Matsuno's writing, we get too much exposition for some relatively lame conclusions, Nier gave us too little exposition for some lame conclusions. One of these things wasted less of my time

[wind bough]

Lyon is not dead. Gabranth is strongly implied to also not be dead, and to have faked his death with Lyon's help.

[viscid monolith]

Field notes said Gabranth is dead. Lyon killed him and is currently in jail. Or a fugitive. I forget.

[unreal wadi]

who says

the cutscene pretty much made it clear that Lyon was willing to go to jail

[north parcel]

i read the field notes I didn't see 6 months

[unreal wadi]

I'd say it a cover-up, considering no one has actually seen Gabranth's real face

[crystal arrow]

I'm looking at gabranth's field notes rn, I don't see mention of a 6 month time skip, is that in lyon's then?

[viscid monolith]

Although it's phrased like Gabranths death is a cover up.

[unreal wadi]

the IVth legion is dead, but Gabranth & Lyon aren't

[torpid yoke]

one of them implies 6 months

[viscid monolith]

It's one of the field notes. Can't remember which.

[north parcel]

lets also remember that ashelia's death was a coverup, wouldn't be the first time

[indigo shale]

eh its most likely all bait, matsunos not done yet, i would go as far as to say all the information post-zadnor is fake, and just to buy time for gabranth to continue his plan

[wary perch]

Gabranth is suspected by some is not dead and the body is fake.
Either way, he will get injured when confronted by the resistance and Lyon will escape from gaol

[wind bough]

https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Field_Notes_on_Lyon,_Part_II

[crystal arrow]

... wait, gabranth is a hyur?

[unreal wadi]

also

Sicinius presented Gabranth weapons at the last cutscene

[wind bough]

Yeah he is. His father was granted the rank of Legatus as a special case for his loyalty and cooperation

[north parcel]

lol what'd you think he was

[wind bough]

Though Lyon served six months of his sentence, he was able to escape with the assistance of an accomplice within the IVth Legion. Rather than abscond when he had the chance, he instead infiltrated Gabranth's quarters in the dead of night. It is believed that the legatus had sustained injuries in battle with the Dalmascan resistance and was recuperating at the time, and that after an exchange of words, Gabranth accepted his fate before Lyon delivered the fatal blow. The assassin then set the room ablaze before fleeing Castrum Valnaini with his accomplice.

Following the IVth Legion's unconditional surrender, the resistance named Lyon as a wanted war criminal. Though a large bounty was placed on his head, his whereabouts remained unknown for some time.

[wary perch]

Also, Lyon turn over the crazy scientist over to dalmasca as a bounty hunter too lol

[crimson pollen]

I suspect EW relic questline will be the new Allagan ones Gabranth found - final relics for this season

[wind bough]

and https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Field_Notes_on_Noah

After an exchange of words between the two men, it was clear the legatus's mind was made up—he succumbed to his subordinate's blade with no resistance. The deed done, Lyon set Castrum Valnaini ablaze and fled the scene to destinations unknown. Later, the body and armor of the ill-fated Gabranth would be discovered by the resistance, though he was not immediately identified as such—in part because the burns were so severe that his face could scarcely be recognized, and in part because so few had seen the face under the mask in the first place. Still, in the end, the identity of the corpse was confirmed, and news of the death of Noah van Gabranth spread across the land.

Bereft of their charismatic leader, the once-proud IVth Legion quickly crumbled, some two-thirds of its numbers surrendering unconditionally to the resistance, while the remaining third fought in vain before being unceremoniously decimated by their foe. So did the long and bitter struggle come to an end, and Dalmasca shook free from the imperial yoke for the first time in over three decades.

And yet still, there are those who believe that Noah van Gabranth did not perish that day in Castrum Valnaini—that the corpse, mutilated beyond identification, belonged to another. Meanwhile, Lyon and the other former officers of the IVth—war criminals, all of them—remain at large, and the provisional government approved the repatriation of the vast majority of the IVth's rank-and-file soldiers as free citizens, electing not to try them for their crimes on the battlefield.

So it is that the people of Dalmasca still live in fear of the “ghost of Gabranth”—further details regarding which will be filed in a future report.

[crystal arrow]

now I'm questioning how the resistance learned of this maybe just thru some IVth legion prisoner or some shit?

[unreal wadi]

probably assumption

[gaunt star]

Can't be, atleast one of those weapons are already ingame... somewhere. I coud've sworn I've sene that axe before.

[north parcel]

probably seizure'ing documents of the 4th

[wary perch]

It's diamond axe

[crystal arrow]

but... why would they assume one of the people most loyal to gabranth would just decide to murder him?

[viscid monolith]

@wind bough My other problem with this though. The Field Notes are physical in universe items. Either we have magical field notes from the future or these events happened.

[somber storm]

"Gabranth lives! Don't believe the Bozjan's lies"

[pine epoch]

You also forgot the part that Lyon turns in Sinicus to the Dalmascan resistance clearing his bounty

[wary perch]

No idea hence the rumor

[crimson pollen]

they'll not be the same - but based of their power, kinda like our Gunhildr's Blades arent really the originals

[viscid monolith]

These events happened already. I don't know why this is so complicated for people.

[wind bough]

I wouldn't worry too much about it.

[torpid yoke]

clearing whos bounty?

[gaunt star]

He also supposedly burned down their main base so--

[pine epoch]

Lyon's Bounty

[torpid yoke]

they never cleared his bounty

[pine epoch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545267089317822494/847064442063421470/SPOILER_c5f065832bf20028a32903bdc453f651.png

I might of misread this then.

[crimson pollen]

Its obvious they're saving that epic glorious moment when Ashe first appears on screen

[viscid monolith]

I'm less worried now and back to being tilted that certain people gave me such a fucking hard time over this. This is not the same future framing device as Count Fortempt in Heavensward.

[unreal wadi]

Pagaga's alive

[torpid yoke]

that says raised xel

[gaunt star]

Pagaga's alive, the axe they showed is literally the Diamond Axe...

... and Lyon is an old man that makes the earth bend to his will, hits like a truck, and moves faster than any Monk can. Jesus.

[crystal arrow]

Not literally. Similar model sure, but it's a weapon comparable to StQ in power it seems.

[wind bough]

Wonder what FF reference it will be

[crystal arrow]

It's far more gilded than the actual diamond axe, which a lot of the bozjan resistance soldiers use.

[crimson pollen]

if they wanted to be done with Gabranth, they'd have made him final boss in Zadnor - clearly we are in for more

[unreal wadi]

^

[wary perch]

Sure but doesn't change the fact he will get injured lol

Maybe an arrow to the knee by fran

[pine epoch]

as I said I misread it. 😦

[crystal arrow]

I mean, very well may

[crimson pollen]

We have new possibilities now - these "clones", these new relics powers, we never know

[torpid yoke]

my bad didnt see

[crystal arrow]

also weird thought but could we just think of these as more mikoto visions or some shit

[north parcel]

I gotta finish tactics if xiv is gonna keep hammering on the xii storylines, but UGH I keep geting stufk

[viscid monolith]

No

[indigo shale]

but 14 is isnt related to them, sure it takes inspiration but 14 ivalice and such has no relevance to 12/tactics

[wary perch]

You don't need to. The story are different and character relationship are different

[viscid monolith]

You guys are smart. Smart enough to convince yourselves of the much more complicated and dumb thing.

Why would we have this magical document from the future?

[indigo shale]

hey we are expected to believe that the events of ARR - presumably the end of EW in less than a year, so anythings possible

magical documents from the future, or more simply fake documents are not far fetched

[rough kestrel]

You know the deal Lance, lore people are nuts.

[north parcel]

I know that but I'd like to care about all these xii glams they put in

[wary perch]

No idea but doesn't change the fact the note mentioned something 6months in the future

[torpid yoke]

matsuno wild

[crystal arrow]

why are you being so weird about this

[indigo shale]

we have 0 reason to believe the field notes

[crimson pollen]

I think in one of the recent LLs, the devs did reveal they were really happy with Bozja participation overall. About 3x more than Eureka, even tho Eureka is years older

[wind bough]

u wot

[viscid monolith]

Lyon this is the shit I deal with every day

[indigo shale]

could be faked, could be real, who knows

[unreal wadi]

6 months later, Endwalker comes out

Hmmm

[wind bough]

Please use your common sense.

The Field Record is canon.

[wary perch]

Some just canon ball the canon if it doesn't fit their head canon

[crimson pollen]

Matsuno is too good with the dialogues - he makes these characters compelling in small text nuances. I like this stuff.

[viscid monolith]

The field notes, all of the field notes, are records. Meaning events and i terviews that already happened.

History

[wary perch]

Except Lyon 2 and gabranth lol

[maiden lodge]

The character does not. The player does. Yes it's ludonarrative dissonance. Yes, this is normal in video games.

[crystal arrow]

Again, we're in a time bubble, so there's no way those events could happen yet.

[indigo shale]

elaborate on it then, how do we know every field note is legit, its apparently 6 months in the future that we know nothing about, it could be information easily faked that was leaked early

[crimson pollen]

6 months after EW seems pretty much fine - not like we need to solve all galaxy problems in 3 weeks

[crystal arrow]

i could go for a propaganda angle but not this

[maiden lodge]

The character is in a past narrative, that the player observes through play, and has been since Heavensward.

[wind bough]

No, that's such a ridiculous premise that it doesn't even really bear addressing.

[indigo shale]

heavensward is not the ivalice stuff

[wind bough]

The events are canon events that the devs want to communicate to us as factual.

[unreal wadi]

oh that makes a bit more sense

[indigo shale]

so no information can ever be fake is what you are saying, everything is the truth

[crystal arrow]

literally missing the point

[maiden lodge]

That's the core premise behind Final Fantasy Tactics, that there is an official narrative, and that official narrative can be fallible.

[wind bough]

I'm saying it's not a grand conspiracy to trick you, dude.

[viscid monolith]

Where did this magical future document come from Dis

[crystal arrow]

why would they write several essays full of lies and fake information

[maiden lodge]

There's missing parts of the narrative we are presented, it is obvious that we're meant to question it.

[maiden lodge]

Matsuno has used this as a narrative device before.

[indigo shale]

im just saying we have no reason to believe the field notes pertaining the events after zadnor are real, we wont know yet

[wind bough]

We have no reason to believe they're not real.

[crimson pollen]

yep. We (WoL) prolly gonna chill some time after the EW ending till the new big evil starts to appear (6.1 - 7.0), I guess from 6.1 onwards is where Matsuno stuff returns, that would align with EW ending and kickstart of the new story

[maiden lodge]

We have every reason to believe they are incomplete.

[indigo shale]

then why says its ridiculous to believe that they may be fake

[wary perch]

True but what erk me is the 6months into the future shit

[maiden lodge]

When a character acts in the field notes in a manner opposite to their depiction, you should question that narrative. There's something we do not know there. That story is incomplete.

[wind bough]

The Field Notes are real lore documents. Yes they're ostensibly in-world and fallible. But they're not made-up information.

[indigo shale]

they can be though, again just because its a recorded piece of information doesn't mean it cant be faked or tempered with

[viscid monolith]

This is nothing like Count Fortempts narrating from the future. He is looking back at the events of Heavensward as it's happening. The Field Notes are a physical document the Warrior of Light is reading.

[maiden lodge]

The character is in a past narrative, that the player observes through play, and has been since Heavensward.

The character does not. The player does. Yes it's ludonarrative dissonance. Yes, this is normal in video games.

[wary perch]

Like why tell us about something 6months in the future

[crimson pollen]

Because the new story gonna start from a point after that, obv

[maiden lodge]

Show me an expansion that isn't narrated to the player from the future.

[viscid monolith]

Because it's a fucking time skip. It's the obvious answer. You're talking yourself around the most obvious answer.

[crystal arrow]

Fortemps is reading the book out loud after HW has concluded. Graha does the same in SHB.

[wary perch]

The cutscene ended so nice with gabranth walk toward the weapons as the camera pan away

And it's ruin by the field note

[maiden lodge]

The obvious answer is that the game with a framed narrative has a framed narrative, especially after 5.3 changed the narrator but still has a future narration.

The character never reads the field notes, because Bas hasn't thought to write them yet.

[viscid monolith]

Dis there is a difference between "The heroes are about to fight their greatest foe yet" and telling us very specific events.

[wind bough]

The end of Zadnor suggests there will be a continuation, meaning that it will be a timeskip as of the implementation of that content if it involves Gabranth and Lyon.

[maiden lodge]

The story ENDS with Bas telling you, directly, his plan is to write them.

You're shown the story, patch after patch, as chapters in a story that has been written

[wind bough]

This thing about whether or not it's a future framing device seems irrelevant.

Doesn't really change what's going on.

[gaunt star]

End of shb: we're gonna make it right
Beginning of endwalker 6 months later: everything has gone horribly wrong

/S

[crimson pollen]

When next Matsuno story starts - we won't need to have all these facts showed in detail. Only some quick recap, because we already know. No need to lengthily have Lyon killing Gabranth, all the build up, etc... it's clear they want the story to return in a point after that

[maiden lodge]

The issue is that assuming that a writer known for using unreliable narrator as a plot device might not do so here, while working for a director who counts works where said writer using unreliable narrator as a plot device as his introduction as games as art--would not and could not possibly be using that here, while in said writing having characters act in manners that betray their in-person depiction.

[wind bough]

The Field Notes are not fake facsimile documents that were made for no reason to completely mislead us.

It's not false that the Dalmascan Provisional Government had those reports written up six months in the future.

[indigo shale]

but they could be

[gaunt star]

Im too dumb for this convo

[unreal wadi]

It's definitely incomplete

[maiden lodge]

Lyon, the character we see, has no reason to betray Gabranth, and would not do so. The official story is that he does so.

[wind bough]

It's not false that those are the events that people understand to have happened in-universe.

[unreal wadi]

not false, but incomplete