retired-patch-6-3-discussion

[dim sigil]

Gra has break icon was put in a while ago to i remember people thought it was a blu spell

[pine epoch]

What if that's the gold saucer mini game. The devs put among us in 14

[dim sigil]

Pls

[signal vault]

no please, not amogus

[drowsy belfry]

Da mythical 3 chest

[wet crown]

someone in my last run said it spawns when both bosses go down in under 5 minutes

[fiery dawn]

I've heard its when both top and bottom bosses are killed near the same time

[wet crown]

something about 5-10 secs apart?
I'd rather believe it's the first one

[fiery dawn]

idk about that. pugs and under 5 mins

I got three chest and it definitely took more than 5 mins

but of course. who really knows at this point

[drowsy belfry]

It's a combination of both

Just killing at the same time doesn't give 3

[dim sigil]

Turns out its pure rng

[drowsy belfry]

Speaking of weird shit

[maiden lodge]

Sound the alarm Raubahn Unreal is launched!

[drowsy belfry]

Haha

No but uh this can't be good

[tulip geyser]

rip

[drowsy belfry]

https://i.gyazo.com/89079ef0aef574ee3357d9e84cfc3261.mp4

[maiden lodge]

Duty FInder's haunted

Cursed thought

Soken, the leader of the Primals beat cancer

The WoL beats primals

Therefore WoL beats Cancer.

[drowsy belfry]

Caaaaan anybody else test this out? Crystal? See if it's broken?

[dim sigil]

I can log

Qued into trials fine

[drowsy belfry]

Might just be Zadnor?>

[dim sigil]

Can go see

[rough kestrel]

Mikoto's Echo is dogshit, it only ever results in assumptions that are always wrong.

I actively hate it as a plot point in Bozja.

[pine epoch]

If CC is a mogstation mount it most likely will be 29.99 USD since its a 2 seater.

[dim sigil]

Qued into zandor fine

[gaunt star]

how do i buff ppl for the duels?

[pine epoch]

Gotta buff em before they head in

[kindred rampart]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgTTKZcAxnc&ab_channel=NovaFunBun

[gaunt star]

around 30 seconds?

[stiff charm]

good. now i can not do ultimate as a husbundo

[drowsy belfry]

Huh that's weird

[rough kestrel]

Does Fran need to be in Viera starter gear? she looks totally out of place

And all I can see is the fact it's gear that does nothing and serves no purpose

How are you going to be head of a resistance looking like that

[dim sigil]

It is her desgin from 12

Would be werid to be in anything else

[rough kestrel]

I don't care, it's stupid as fuck in the context of Bozja

It was fine in the Ivalice Raid as "Hey remember x" but now it's like come on, put her in an outfit that she should be in

[stiff charm]

just girlboss

[wet crown]

It wouldn't be odd for her to wear it, if more/other NPCs wore their standard racial gear, too

[rough kestrel]

Yeah but they dont, and shouldn't.

[vital timber]

Out of place? How so? I mean, it could be her standard means of dress within Dalmasca.

She isn't a native of Bozja, but part of the Eastern Alliance. 🙂

[fast tusk]

Bajsaljen speaks of wanting due process for misija and ends up just bleeding her like a pig in the end anyway. Frankly the whole story just leaves this 'everyone's an irredeemable scumbag' taste in my mouth

[rough kestrel]

It's like Eureka, in 6 months it wont matter and nobody will give a fuck

And thats totally fine.

[dim sigil]

Really i feel no given reason why i should care for the bozjans

[fast tusk]

This. 100% this.

[vital timber]

Think of it this way, you help the Bozjans out, you help the Eastern Alliance out, which would improve your relations with them.

[fast tusk]

In an ideal world I'd just order a conference with hien to discuss how the bozjans are just a festering can of worms that will cause more drama and issues for the alliance in the long run

The whole lot just come off as ethically gray and politically problematic

[dense flower]

didnt misija death was her own wish?

[vital timber]

Iirc, Bozja used to be a testing ground for Imperials to fire upon devastating weapons

Cid remembers it all to well.

After all, his father tried to contact Dalamud thanks to the tech provided to him by Nael only to end up unleashing devastating power upon the area.

[gloomy shale]

So you just need the final step with the memories for multiple relics?

[vital timber]

Yes

[gloomy shale]

that's not too bad

[dense flower]

yeah
usually the 1 time step on relic

is the pain
lol

[gloomy shale]

tryin to figure out if I'm doing any other relics besides WHM

[dim sigil]

Btn

[signal vault]

How tanky is WAR more than other tank

[vital timber]

I never played WAR before but I seem to recall someone saying they are better at healing themselves.

[signal vault]

It's what I've heard

[dim sigil]

I healed a war once, grand cosmos and idk what he did but i had to heal him only like twice probably the entire dugneon even with big pulls

[balmy mesa]

probably used nascent flash

[gloomy shale]

yeah if you are geared on WAR they heal well

[vital timber]

Paladins can heal everyone else just fine. Dark Knights are adept with healing magic damage among other things and Gunbreakers hit the hardest among the tanks

[dense flower]

rather than tanky
that guy is really persistance
he can heal a lot
while dealing decent damage

[signal vault]

But he has different meld

[fast tusk]

So I rewatched the cutscene. Misija just says 'justice must be served' and pulls out the knife but baj and co didn't have to interpret that as 'death is the only option. If he was touting being a civilized nation which practices due process earlier, justice should have been served that way

[dense flower]

paladin can heal too but compare to war healing as PLD is a dps loss

[warm bone]

War's self healing is CD-based oGCD unlike paladin which needs mana, Gnb which is weaker and longer CD, DRK which has none

[pulsar yacht]

warrior has slightly less average dps, and is good at self sustaining without stopping regular dps rotation(clem breaking combo)

[signal vault]

Fuck AST. Time to war unga bunga on WAR

[dense flower]

she saved most of them
also if that's her wish then so be it

[vital timber]

It seems many people have acquired the new bike 4 days since the patch was launched

[balmy mesa]

DRK has some healing as part of their 123 rotation but it's nowhere near as much as what WAR can do with their oGCD

[dense flower]

tbn compesated for that but yeah
still quite helpful but not on healing term

[warm bone]

ehh, its an GCD so its very different from the other 3

[balmy mesa]

yeah I wouldn't rely on it

[mighty light]

Abyssal Drain used to be really good in dungeons
Don't know what it is now

[warm bone]

i would think TBN is the equivalent except TBN doesnt heal

[signal vault]

Abyssal drain is a 90s heal

[fiery dawn]

I miss abyssal drain spam

[stiff charm]

still real good at healing but its once every 60s instead of mana baded

[dense flower]

just 60s 200 x n heal

[signal vault]

It barely heals in boss

[balmy mesa]

TBN feels so nice to use

[dense flower]

in dg it can be lifesaver for pull

[stiff charm]

but it stacks per enemy hit so in pulls its huge

[signal vault]

DRK healing is TBN

[dense flower]

but other than that
not really

[warm bone]

oh right. abyssal drain exists

[fast tusk]

In the end all his decision really demonstrates is his lack of principle when it comes to matters of justice and consequently his questionable suitability for drafting a fresh national constitution

[vital timber]

TBN is more of a barrier than a heal

[dense flower]

abyssal drain it just too conditional
that's all lol
i'll just see what dev are going to do with it

[cosmic herald]

the caster actions make smn too strong, duels are too easy with them

[signal vault]

@cosmic herald they also make RDM too strong

[dense flower]

i guess u can say that
they are learning tho
yes i am aware that guy is old af lol

[signal vault]

You eat all the buff then fart in boss

He dies

[cosmic herald]

i heard smn can speedrun duels relatively fast

[fast tusk]

You can't just ask for your throat to be slit in any civilized nation that touts 'due process' like bajsaljen keeps fantasizing about in the earlier quests

[signal vault]

Lost flare star is really something.

[fast tusk]

Even if you think you're guilty off the bat

[signal vault]

I wouldnt be surprised if they want to nerf it

[dense flower]

they won't

or like
most likely not

[signal vault]

Lost flare star gives me 7k dps on BLM alone

[mighty light]

Nice

[signal vault]

I did 20k, pop lost flare. 27k

[dense flower]

if u dont expect imbalance since bozja release
im questioning that

[signal vault]

Combine with lost magic fond and enochian. I see tick like 107k

A tick which is as powerful as a fire IV. Wtf

[dense flower]

as i said
i doubt that's an accident

just deal with it lol

[mighty light]

It's not; there are a lot of ways to be very powerful in Bozja and Zadnor
That's what lost actions are about

[dense flower]

the thing is
flare star legitly
considered strongest dps build

if it's about surviving that's another case
which is why there are still some weakness on it

i have heard some pepega tried to do that
but died too early so still a fail

[signal vault]

The bad thing about it. It's shit in DR

[dense flower]

it's shit other than duel

[signal vault]

Because 2 other random mages will try use it

[dense flower]

imagine
u buff ur lost star to max
then some pepega peeps just use unbuffed lost flare star and overwrite with others

[signal vault]

And it doesn't stack so it just renews itself with shitter buff

[dense flower]

yeah lol
like chill
there are still weakness on that build

[signal vault]

Yee. That's why I stack lost magic fond and lost spell chain and has higher dps than random RDM with lvl 10 valor

[dense flower]

ofc u can try to compensate it with potion or team mates

but if u like say
solo
cant get party
forgot to bring ur heal stuff
adios hp on multiple raid wide

[signal vault]

Problem is Lost flare is extremely expensive right now

It's 60k gil if you ever replace it

[dense flower]

prolly cuz the cheese

[signal vault]

It drops from the blue fragment and blue fragment is at least 30k with 50% lost flare drop

[dense flower]

yeah lol
eh good money too either way

[signal vault]

RDM + Spell chain + Flare = no MP

[dense flower]

ether kit

[signal vault]

50% it will lost

[dense flower]

i have
hundreds of those

[signal vault]

Good but shit in DR

[dense flower]

so
why not
it keeps overspilling when i try to max out at DR

[signal vault]

Cuz you use flare with your hyperbuff then someone else will replace it

[dense flower]

u can just
stack like 13+ of those
or ask healer to bring lost full cure

iirc it give 40% more chance of that ether kit won't go away

[signal vault]

Healer be like : Bruh, Im using Profane

I aint healing you, your dps is mine

I run breaktaker for fun on BLM

[dense flower]

idm doing that
if ik the guy can do more dps than me
who parse in bozja anyway
but people do speedrun in it

[signal vault]

Ether kit 10% and infinite Despair

Ether-kit 10%, Spell Chain you have a gatling gun now

[dense flower]

pretty much

[vital timber]

Iirc, Konogg is a boy while Anogg is the girl, right?

[dense flower]

ya

[vital timber]

And the one who died was Konogg?

[rain onyx]

Anogg

[vernal haven]

||Anogg us||

[heady shadow]

Oh fuck yes

[stiff charm]

has anyone found aenor

[signal vault]

i want to be shield class with all stat into vit and a shield that eats all abilities

[somber storm]

Aenor and the Boulders no where to be found

[stiff charm]

ive checked around mor dhona and honestly im expecting them to either die in ew or currently be out [REDACTED] somewhere

[drowsy belfry]

This Summer VinDiesel is: Meteor

[heady shadow]

lol

[cosmic herald]

They went out

[heady shadow]

btw i havent seen any ||rule34 reaper/void art yet||

[turbid aspen]

but lizard girl

[wet crown]

Only reaper memes

[somber storm]

No good quality ones

[heady shadow]

rip

[devout musk]

Lets go bois https://twitter.com/FFsfia/status/1399297529817165827/photo/1

🧙‍♂️ Sfi 🧙‍♂️ (@FFsfia)

lololol

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Twitter · May 31, 2021, 9:31 AM

[heady shadow]

Hmm you know they said that they couldnt bring female hrothgar at the same time, and if they found the time they will put them in.

could that open a door for like a 6.3 or a 6.5 release?

[carmine basin]

possibly until they say it cant be done until 7.0

[heady shadow]

or 8.0 because they decide to finish the hats and hair xD

[drowsy belfry]

5/17

Shotgun

[heady shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/shotgun-girl-fail-recoil-gif-8132204

[drowsy belfry]

Guys it has a fucking aetherial scope that's AWESOME

[gaunt star]

the shotgun is racist against garleans

[drowsy belfry]

Hell yeah it is

[cosmic herald]

Fuck Garleans of course

[wet crown]

I just cannot bring myself to run the same shit 26 more times. I don't think I'd even mind the DR runs at this point.

[gaunt star]

damn ppl pissed yoshi said if u want a different character to rp buy skips

[wet crown]

he's right, you know

if you want to make a compelling story for your character, you have to start at the start

[gaunt star]

yeah lol, i dont get why ppl got annoyed he said 'There is NewGame+ if you want to play the story again, there are Fantasia if you want to change your looks and if you want to make a new char for RP get a level boost on the Mogstation '

game isnt supposed to be alt friendly

[iron scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-fear-scared-terrified-tensed-gif-17446245

[wet crown]

wait, that thing isn't even weak to magic

[gaunt star]

he wont see it again after 6.0

[devout musk]

He was the only one in the CE

[wet crown]

So this is the true power of Ultra Instinct the Echo.

[pastel coyote]

So that is an Unsundered character

[gaunt star]

https://tenor.com/view/soken-fan-fest-lahee-otamatone-hum-gif-21581907

[viscid monolith]

You get Echo is you're the only one in a CE?

[devout musk]

yes

https://twitter.com/FFsfia/status/1399307933330993154?s=20

🧙‍♂️ Sfi 🧙‍♂️ (@FFsfia)

Okay the instance closed now. @SwedishFish___ and I got a locked instance with just us in there and it turns out when you solo spawn into a CE you get a VERY large echo... Add some good old fashion buff stacking and you get ridiculous numbers. Thanks square.

Twitter · May 31, 2021, 10:13 AM

[pastel coyote]

zzzz getting error again and again when i want to pre-order

[wet crown]

the ultimate OP WoL experience

[somber storm]

solo CEs

[cosmic herald]

Low party CEs is rather rare

Usually instance always fills up fast when there's a new one

[somber storm]

I rarely attempt a solo CE but I think I will now with this info

[pastel coyote]

They need to boost some fate, those poor dino die too fast

[cosmic herald]

It's fortunate that Sfia got into CE in an instance that didn't fill up as fast as they should

[drowsy belfry]

PSA: The moment I step foot in the Moon zone in Endwalker, I will go into Shout Chat and go "wow....it really isn't flat"

[wary perch]

Jokes on you, it's flat as a coin

[somber storm]

get the measuring tape

[drowsy belfry]

I know it's unlikely, but I kinda hope they make Hydaelyn spin around the moon to replace the day and night cycle on the moon

[rough kestrel]

I gotta be honest, the way Fannydan is like "It was in many respects, an abject failure!" In his over the top voice just makes me laugh

[wet crown]

the voice actor is just prime gold

[rough kestrel]

If you run around zone 3 of Zadnor at night, it's virtually just the Moon zone

The ground has moon craters in it and it's all flat grey dirt

[wary perch]

Zone 1 too

[wet crown]

also in zone 1, if you have certain viewing angles

tbh, I don't mind
it fits the zone's lore a lot

[rough kestrel]

I can't help but wonder if Zadnor is using moon assets

[drowsy belfry]

It's a testing ground for 6.0 that's for certain

[toxic nova]

I know I'm late on this topic but yeah more than likely it'll be an expansion or two because of how many resources it takes to work on races. it is the price we pay for lego people

[rough kestrel]

Dalriada was cool, final boss theme is cool, but why is the relic just Diablos, with Diablos mechanics.,

That was the part where I was like "Oh that's not as cool as I thought it'd be"

[wet crown]

it's not Diablos, it's the Diablo Armament

[wary perch]

It's captured by allagan

The stupid pinball mechanic is annoying

[wet crown]

they based it on Diablos to test if they can harness voidsent the same way Eikons would fuel Ultima Weapon

[rough kestrel]

Is that the lore behind it?

[wet crown]

more or less

[drowsy belfry]

But yeah you not expecting giant dive boming Garlean airships in the overworld? cause I am

[wary perch]

The armament is just a big chimera corpse for voidsent to possessed

[wet crown]

it's never stanted why Diablos of all things though

[rough kestrel]

Thats what I wanted to know

[wary perch]

Probably diablos is just a common voidsent in the secondrung

[wet crown]

could just be they got into contact with Diablos and somehow took some DNA or shit from him

[wary perch]

Or it's just a strong voidsent that's same tier and related to diablos and that's why allagan name it diablos armament

[rough kestrel]

I dunno, cool design but I was a little bit put off as to why him, I was expecting some crazy bullshit with Tartarus

[wary perch]

Not the first time name are reused based on similarity of the mob

That plot is dead

[rough kestrel]

I was expecting some cool shit with Gabranth too, but I guess we just nothing.

[wary perch]

Along with gabrath

[open verge]

Yea that’s what ran through my head too

[rough kestrel]

THEN WHAT WAS THE POINT OF THE IVALICE RAID

Atleast Nier had the decency of giving us 6 repeatable quests to tell us "It's fucking nothing"

[wary perch]

Ivalice is about the lion war and restore ramza nameskae

[maiden lodge]

Cosmic horror.

[open verge]

6.0 inc

[rough kestrel]

We just went through a year of bullshit for Ivalice to go "Lol shrugs"

[open verge]

There is absolutely no way we don’t get matsuno content next expansion

[maiden lodge]

That's a hot take.

[wary perch]

Also, tatarus already being used in BSF ce

[toxic nova]

hold on how is the ivalice raids about cosmic horror?

[rough kestrel]

Not... really?

[open verge]

Seraph maybe?

Idek the Ivalice story it sucked

[wary perch]

Unless it involved rabanastre in ew, I doubt Matsuno will be involved

[maiden lodge]

That's like playing FFT and seeing the end where Ramza is just off being a commoner living in anonymity and going 'that's it? That's all?' and then Delita gets stabbed 'What is this shit?' Like... there's more to this.

[maiden lodge]

An interdimensional being infiltrates Eorzea, using magic rocks to transform people into monsters beyond the pale.

How is that not cosmic horror?

[rough kestrel]

The only thing that stopped me from dismissing the SB raid entirely was Gabranth digging up crazy bullshit at the very end, and being like "oooh how will this play into Garlemald shenanigans"

Then we get Bozja "Oooh what's Gabranth got in store for us"

As it turns out, he had nothing in store for us, and apparently Matsuno had nothing either

Bozja was fun until I felt like it was dicking us around

[drowsy belfry]

Kinda crazy that the Ascians were using Ultima to make Auracite to fuck up the 13th tho

[wary perch]

The fieldnote for gabranth and Lyon 2 are shit tier

I can't believe Yoshi let it pass

[pastel coyote]

or they're not

[maiden lodge]

whaaaaaaat

[wary perch]

That 2 fieldnote make rabanastre irrelevant in future expansion because the story already being told

[pastel coyote]

beastmaster new job 80 with Lyon and Papaga

[maiden lodge]

The field notes are written by Bas in the future

[gaunt star]

Did matsuno really break the time bubble in the field notes

[drowsy belfry]

yeah

[rough kestrel]

The final cutscene is literally the guards showing up with new weapon relics, to imply that they're upgrading their shit to harass us later.

To go from that to (Actually Gabranth fucking died)

[signal vault]

Pepega

[maiden lodge]

This is part of the ending, where he reveals he's collecting notes for future reference

[wary perch]

Nah if anything, they will be the bosses that we challenge with the story quest

[pastel coyote]

This will be an answer when she ask us if we remember who she is

[wary perch]

It's pagaga though

[wet crown]

the field notes are written from a future perspective

[maiden lodge]

The entire story is written from the point of view of the future looking back and has been since Heavensward

[drowsy belfry]

HEY, you leave Pepaga alone

[wary perch]

Which is why it is shit imo

[drowsy belfry]

She's just misguided

[wet crown]

currently and until 6.0 is over (minimum), Lyon will sit in goal

[rough kestrel]

If that's true, it didn't really come across properly @maiden lodge

[wet crown]

Matsuno writing style

[wary perch]

The heavenward chronicles aren't even spoiling shit like the bozja fieldnote

[wet crown]

they don't either

in fact, you can't even read Dabog's second report until you complete the Dalradia

[wary perch]

It does with gabrath and Lyon fieldnote

[maiden lodge]

HW: Narrated by Edmont in a book he hasn't written yet.
SB: Narrated by Lyse to people she hasn't lead yet.
ShB: Ardbert telling his point of view after having melded with us despite having not melded yet
ShB 5.3+: G'raha Tia telling us the story of the Final Days from our own future
Bozja: "HoW cAN InFoRMaTioN CoME froM ThE FuTuRE In A GamE WitH a FrAMEd NarrAtivE

Sorry, the game's gone out of its way to show it's a framed narrative.

[maiden lodge]

Foreshadowing isn't a spoiler.

[gaunt star]

So FFXIV will have another major patch before 6.0 it looks like?

[wet crown]

No.

5.57 and 5.58 will contain minor stuff and seasonal events

[gaunt star]

ah alright

[open verge]

The field note is sick as hell

[pastel coyote]

Emet narrating the EW trailer

[heady shadow]

yeah, otherwise theres nothing big for six months

[open verge]

I loved the field note for Lyon and gabranth it feels like we aren’t getting the full story

[maiden lodge]

Bozja story being shown as chapters in a book written in the future 'Why is there narrative that only exists in the future?'

[signal vault]

Inb4 6.0 is different from the field note

[open verge]

What do you call that
Untrustworthy narrator or something?

[heady shadow]

tfw ff tactics came before ff12 yet ff12 takes place allegedly 1000 years before Tactics....

[wary perch]

There's nothing to foreshadowed when it straight up tell you rabanastre is liberated, has guild to hunt war criminals with Lyon as turn over the crazy scientist

[signal vault]

You will be coming back be like, hell, bozjan is sick

[maiden lodge]

'This is the official story, but... do you want to know the REAL story?' --Orlan's descendant or something

[open verge]

Does it really lmao

[signal vault]

Ye, same vibe with Rabanestrw

[open verge]

I didn’t know the rabnastre was liberated

[signal vault]

Like the whole story about queen was a lie. Who says the fieldnote is the future ?

[wet crown]

the notes themselves...

[open verge]

Which field note is that in about Raba nasty

[maiden lodge]

It really is. It's foreshadowing that there's more story to tell, and the story we have is sus-as-fuck, it doesn't 'ring true' and Matsuno trusts us not to be pepegas and actually recognize that Matsuno is writing Matsuno things and that 'official lore' in universe can be false. Final Fantasy Tactics is literally, itself about in universe knowledge being false.

[wary perch]

Lyon 2

[maiden lodge]

Literally all the field notes.

They've always included stuff that couldn't have happened yet.

[signal vault]

Ivalice raid, Bozjan queen gunhilda story was a lie until we come and fix it

[open verge]

That’s true

I think if we get some matsuno stuff in 6.0 it will be fuckin dope

[maiden lodge]

And what happened with some of them? Future notes clarified information that turned out to be false or incomplete.

[signal vault]

It hasn't happened until we see it happens

[open verge]

Yea I agree

[signal vault]

Ghara literally did a time and space travel from a future that we died

[maiden lodge]

And none of the notes about Lyon's epilogue answer the burning question: 'Why?!'

[wary perch]

The only thing I'm interested with rabanastre is Ashe and how the bangaas will feel when they find out it's Fran that fucked them and caused their leader to go crazy

But it will probably be nothing and all is forgiven

[open verge]

[signal vault]

Question is, when do we get brosetsu back

[maiden lodge]

Fully expecting it in EW.

[signal vault]

I miss the man.

[open verge]

Hopefully never

[pastel coyote]

He's retired

[maiden lodge]

I fully expect our old bros to come back for a dance

[wary perch]

Probably as a cameo

[open verge]

Gosetsu gave us that shitty Tsuyu arc I’m still mad at him

[signal vault]

Brosetsu come back and become you

[drowsy belfry]

Well on the flipside I'm entirely excited about what the fuck Matsuno has planned next

[signal vault]

Monk main

[wary perch]

Like helping the people with all the chaos shit

[open verge]

Same

[wary perch]

But wol will just chilled in the sanctuary island

[drowsy belfry]

I wanna know what that big ol weapon that Sini held is

[open verge]

Oh yea we don’t know anything about those relics they brung back right?

[left rivet]

There's no more patches after this one, right?

[signal vault]

Don't forget they put Ghara back who everyone has probably forgotten in SB as the main plot for SHB

[open verge]

No more patches with content

[left rivet]

Until expac , that is

[wary perch]

Not that it matter since its been turn over to rabanastre by Lyon 6months later

[toxic nova]

I'm so sad there was no hildy this expansion ;-;

[wary perch]

Until it is retconned

[maiden lodge]

Hell, RtI itself has a theme of taking known, expected canonical information and completely ignoring it in favor of a different truth simply by having established character names but having them fulfill completely different, often differently aligned roles

[left rivet]

...so we have 5 months with this patch? That's a really big gap

[signal vault]

@left rivet that's why you have bozjan

[open verge]

Play other games.

[signal vault]

Just do all the bozjan relic

[toxic nova]

like dark souls

[open verge]

Confirmed next expansion

[left rivet]

No but, I'm saying, six months for just a relic, is.. really dumb.

[open verge]

Yea so unsub

[rough kestrel]

^

[toxic nova]

telling people to unsub really isn't appropriate

[signal vault]

I mean Yoshi-P even says so

[maiden lodge]

It's not dumb, it's just a reality of work creation in the 2020/21 era.

[left rivet]

No?
I usually pay for a few months at a time?

[open verge]

Come back when contents in the game there is plenty of other things to do then forcing yourself to play

[rough kestrel]

Play other shit, it's cool to do so, it's what Yoshi says.

[signal vault]

Yoshi-P advises people to unsub when there's gap and you're bored

[maiden lodge]

Yes it is. If you don't feel you're getting your value, there's no shame in deciding not to pay for that time.

[wary perch]

True but unless rabanastre official purposely fake all those information for god know what reason and until it's prove t o be false, what we have now is the fact

[left rivet]

I'm just saying I thought .55 would have more in it than just bozja

[toxic nova]

sorry I thought it was meant in a rude way >.>'

[rough kestrel]

I mean this is how it is, the expansion is over.

[open verge]

It’s a .55 patch what do you expect it to have

[wet crown]

despite the schedule saying it won't have more than MSQ Part 2 and Zadnor?

[toxic nova]

but yeah breaks from the game are totally fine

or if you're bored you can level everything like me DX

[left rivet]

Just feels a bit empty compared to other patches. Then again, other .55 patches didn't have a 5 month fucking wait between the next expansion

[wet crown]

no it doesn't lol

[toxic nova]

then you'll really nothing left to do XD

[wary perch]

I think it does

[signal vault]

Other .55 didn't have covid

[wary perch]

SB .55 is around Feb and shb live at jul

[toxic nova]

this is very true

[left rivet]

Issue is saying "farm bozja" isn't really helpful because we know in a month it'll be very dead

[signal vault]

Nah

[wary perch]

The hardest shit to farm in bozja is the fieldnote

[pastel coyote]

Eureka is still alive

[rough kestrel]

There's a series of events on the schedule

[open verge]

This isn’t true at all and will be the opposite actually

[maiden lodge]

No I mean, it's playing with it on a meta level. When we play RtI and we end up with Ba'gamnan showing up, and Rinok, we have the expectation set that these are villains, because of the previous story associated with those names. RtI however makes them revolutionaries, and Ba'gamnan becomes a sympathetic tragic character.

Or similarly--having Basch be a Legatus and not... like... a maligned knight.

[left rivet]

.... Brah, covid isn't really an excuse. They said it was only applicable to the prior patch and now their development schedule is back on track

[toxic nova]

not to me it aint ._.

[signal vault]

Bozjan will live for a long time. It's a open dungeon

[digital radish]

Where's your game?

[maiden lodge]

Except it's also the fast levelling content, so you know... there's that.

Plus relic content never dies.

[open verge]

When your statement is covid isn’t an excuse you lose all credibility

[pastel coyote]

It's the best way to lvl 71- 80 so it will be quite alive in a few month

[left rivet]

I have everything at 80 already except the one class I'm currently leveling in bozja

[open verge]

You don’t think everyone is gonna be using Bozja to level reaper and sage?...

[left rivet]

Which is pld

[signal vault]

Bozjan gives you exp, weapon, fun test build. The ability to leave when you're bored. And you're 71 sync to 80 without the need for any gear

[maiden lodge]

I stand corrected, I was going by what the reaper-dressed japanese man said at the keynote. What does that guy know.

[wary perch]

I don't really care about the relationship between XII and xiv as I view them as different characters between this 2 games

[open verge]

Covid isn’t an excuse guys

[left rivet]

It's still kind of misleading for them to also say ""fall""

November is hard winter/summer for most countries

[maiden lodge]

Oh well, I wasn't aware you're the only person on Crystal and that literally no one will be levelling anything ever, thus the content dies.

[maiden lodge]

It's not. Winter starts on December 21st.

[toxic nova]

please say psych o.0

[left rivet]

Eh. It feels still very misleading.

[gaunt star]

By the time work from home was established (which bought the 2 month delay) covid should've been less of an excuse

[maiden lodge]

Although I thought it was funny that they then proceded to meme about November technically being in fall because they knew there'd be people who don't know how seasons work exactly

[wary perch]

It's from Japan perspective but they are stretching it

[left rivet]

I thought honestly, the end msq would be longer.

Like it felt SUPER short

[gaunt star]

5.55 was split into 2 things so
But yeah that's fair

[maiden lodge]

How is 'Winter starts at the winter solstice, as declared by the gregorian calendar for centuries' a Japan thign?

[open verge]

Longer then 4.55 MSq

[gaunt star]

I was expecting more chaos at the end

[open verge]

4.55 MSq sucked ass tho

[left rivet]

Compared to the last msq for hw, and ARR

[wary perch]

My understanding is that different countries has different period for the season?

[maiden lodge]

HW and SB had really short .56s.

[left rivet]

I suppose I just thought we would get another like..

[open verge]

The .55 MSq is always short
It’s just a trial then it ends

[left rivet]

20+ minute cutscene at the end.

[wary perch]

No trial in .55 except arr

[left rivet]

But we kinda didn't

[maiden lodge]

No? It's been a part of our calendar since the Gregorian monks standardized it to replace the Julian calendar.

[signal vault]

They add a whole new zone and a bunch of cutscene for it in 5.55 . I'd play Bozjan more than any fucking PoTD and HoH

[viscid monolith]

Sometimes we get neat solo instance in .55. Sometimes we get 4.55 which is a bad solo instance.

[open verge]

Agree sadly potd is coming back

[left rivet]

Honestly. I really don't like bozja. I wish we still got POTD

[signal vault]

No fuck POTD. IT COULD FUCK RIGHT OFF

[open verge]

Potd is garbage.

[gaunt star]

Fuck potd i like being able to work on my relic and level my classes at the same time

[left rivet]

HoH is a massive imprhvmenet

[signal vault]

i would rather wait for a 20mins queue

[wary perch]

I want them to do a bozja style deep dungeon

[viscid monolith]

HOH is mostly the same

[left rivet]

Improvement, but it's still far more casual friendly.

[gaunt star]

If eureka had 61-70 levelling do you know how sexy that would be

[maiden lodge]

I have no skin in the game I had all combat jobs levelled before BSF dropped.

[signal vault]

PoTD is garbage same with any deep dungeon

[open verge]

Hoh is literally the exact same

[wary perch]

Open map but downward 100floors with CE block every few floors as gatekeeper

[gaunt star]

HoH is better than potd because it has magicite

[viscid monolith]

No point in doing deep dungeon again until they actually innovate on something.

[maiden lodge]

I can tell you the only thing that would make me enjoy DD 3.0 (not that I'm saying it's bad content I'm just burned out from it)

[signal vault]

Bozjan is where it at. You get to do rotation, practice, sync gear

[left rivet]

Bozja is really shit when it's slow. Things take forever. HoH at least you know is usually always over in 10-15 mins

[open verge]

HoH only additions are making the runs end faster

No improves just more one shot items

[gaunt star]

Also they said theyre going back to deep dungeon + open world (?) In 6.0 a while ago

[maiden lodge]

If they take Logos/Lost Actions, and stick those in Deep Dungeon like a roguelike mechanic, it'll be top-shelf

[signal vault]

You could exist Bozjan at any moment. You could do rotation properly. Deep dungeon is trash

[left rivet]

And heck, people actually talk in HoH more often. Than "fate. Lfg. Disband"

[open verge]

Agree 1million percent

[open verge]

This is a lie.

[signal vault]

@left rivet you know, maybe, people couldn't exist out of HoH

[open verge]

Who talks in potd besides saying hello 😭😭😭

[signal vault]

They are stuck their with you for 10m at least

[viscid monolith]

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[pine epoch]

Just got the Dabog Part 2 fieldnote from the skirmish

[left rivet]

I assure you, if you do any c.e
The chat is filled with "lfg" for it to disband afterward.

[viscid monolith]

This makes Bozja less slow

[lucid crater]

in my experiences, any party for CEs stay for around ten minutes as people do more skirisims and maybe disband slowly over time

[open verge]

Every potd chat
O/
Hello
O7
O7
20 minutes of silence

[left rivet]

It's going to suck once the stat squish happens

[signal vault]

You could even do more relic for while in Bozjan

[next quarry]

Is that 1 million HP

[viscid monolith]

1.6 million HP

[drowsy belfry]

I mean it's not going to, because stat squish won't effect how much damage you do

[lucid crater]

Bozja is so much better than PoTD and HoH, it's actually engaging to do

[maiden lodge]

I know this is going to seem strange to you, but I don't look at boss fights where I'm having to dodge shit and concentrate on my rotation as the time where I need to be chatting about the things my cat is doing and why she's cute.

I have my static and linkshells for that.

[signal vault]

Please no more deep dungeon

[open verge]

You are absolutely right

[viscid monolith]

How many times do we have to keep explaining stat squish is affecting everything, including enemy HP? It's all PROPORTIONAL

[signal vault]

It's even more garbage than any dungeon for exp

[left rivet]

Honestly. I'm annoyed they didn't make the relic step have HoH.

Uh, what? That's offensive. There's a difference between chatting to fill the time between things spawning and killing randomn trash for clusters than not doing ones rotation

[signal vault]

Dungeon has exp from FC, Squadron Scroll, rested, and earring.

[maiden lodge]

I don't say 'hello' in dungeons often because my hands are on the controller and I ain't heckin four-armed ravana, about to revel in the chaos of combat or unleash Prelude to Slaughter, I can't be talkative and do my job

[left rivet]

Heck, I'm talking about general shooting the shit while doing benign tasks that earn nothing.

[pastel coyote]

Use a macro

[lucid crater]

PoTD/HoH have diminising returns for the amount of time you spend doing it, plus if you die half way into a run, you've wasted 20 minutes and you gain nothing. And honesty, I've seen on primal there's a bit of chatting between people travelling between fates and shit

[maiden lodge]

You can do HoH to do a relic step, do you even

[signal vault]

Deep dungeon doesn't have anything. And caster can cast 1 spell before it dies

[left rivet]

You can do potd for relic.

[signal vault]

It has shit drop rate for relic

[left rivet]

Not HoH, I believe CR and PotD is the same step

[maiden lodge]

Yeah Bozja and Eureka are chatty af

[signal vault]

No, it has shit drop rate

[drowsy belfry]

No you can do HoH for the relic, it's just shit

[maiden lodge]

You're not chatting when it's time for business but yeah, shout chat is always meme-tastic

[signal vault]

Both has shit drop rate

[viscid monolith]

Where can I find these legendary 25 minute Delibrium runs?

[lucid crater]

they do not exist

[maiden lodge]

You can heckin do Raw Emotions in HoH.

[signal vault]

Timeworn and Raw emotion. Both bas shit rate

[viscid monolith]

It's all my FC talks about

[left rivet]

.. I mean, sure. But CR with a shitty group is an hour of torture.

I can solo lord 1-160 and just get 9-10 of them

[maiden lodge]

To be fair, it's HoH, it better have a shit rate for an instance you can fire off that quickly.

[viscid monolith]

I keep getting shitty groups where no one takes essences and no one uses lost actions.

[lucid crater]

God everytime I've been with my FC mates, it ends up being 40 minutes because NO-ONE IS POPPING ESSENCES

[signal vault]

PoTD is fun, ye. As I BLM leveling in deep dungeon. I curse that place

[viscid monolith]

This playerbade continues to disappoint me with every new interaction after 10 years.

[signal vault]

You could barely cast fire IV

[left rivet]

What I get from bozja:
Purple star x700

What I got from potd solo farm:
2 pegasus mounts and some 300k drops after 4 hours

[maiden lodge]

I mean your choice is 'roll the dice in a short roflstomp through HoH' or 'Do DR, and at least know you got the guaranteed two at the end'.

[pastel coyote]

I didn't drop any dps essence, you can't blame me

[signal vault]

Damn, I got 700k gil from Bozjan in 1 hour.

Oh look, something cool from CLL drop. 2 million

[lucid crater]

...how do you stand to do PoTD for four hours solo

[maiden lodge]

Yeah, you can get money in Bozja

[left rivet]

I've literally gotten nothing from lockboxes but household items. Hair flowers and purple.stars

[maiden lodge]

BUt honestly, this conversation is about preference.

[signal vault]

Because you farmed the wrong thing. LoL

[viscid monolith]

For the record DR only drops 1 timeworn thing.

[drowsy belfry]

With the amount of Bozjan Coins you get for farming a relic you get a free 1 million gil

[left rivet]

2 million gil hair verses a 10+ mil horse.

Hmmmmm

[maiden lodge]

The truth is, they'll do exploratory content again (they consider Eureka and Bozja great successes) and they're going to plan to do Deep Dungeon again, so everyone's getting what they want at the end of the day.

[left rivet]

I'm trying to get the potd solo title

[maiden lodge]

2 raw emos though I was comparing to HoH

[left rivet]

So I'm killing 2 birds with one stone?

[drowsy belfry]

Oh I mean if you wanna play that game, sure it's only 2 million now because everybody runs it. That Horse wasn't 10 mil back in the day tho

[pastel coyote]

I want the option to do training 1v1

[signal vault]

I kill 4 birds with 1 stone

[drowsy belfry]

Come 6.5 all the Gabriels and Hairstyles will spike

[signal vault]

I farm memory, loathsome, exp and mettle

[left rivet]

I want the necromancer title.

[lucid crater]

I think Bozja was generally well recieved by the community so I hope we see another one in the future, and I guess an optional Deep Dungeon for those who like to do that kind of stuff.

Just make it earlier in the patch cycle pls

[left rivet]

I like the idea of bozja. I just don't like how castrum and the other new castrum whatever, are locked to instance

[drowsy belfry]

You'll get your instanced content in 6.3 and you'll like it

[lucid crater]

:c

[left rivet]

Just make it available in DF

Like Castrum was a MASSIVE bottleneck for people

[maiden lodge]

I mean the idea is that they're Critical Engagements on steroids, not that they're Baldesion Arsenal 2

[left rivet]

And will be again once people die down in the next few weeks

[maiden lodge]

And they mostly fixed it with the echo

[signal vault]

what, i dont even have problem before zadnor

[wind bough]

CLL was a bottleneck because there wasn't enough incentive to run it more than once

[lucid crater]

I don't think they'll do it because I think now there's more incentive to do it for a multiuide of reasons, relic steps, coin grinds, fuck ton of XP/Mettle, echo.

[left rivet]

Even with echo I saw groups gosling because no leadership and miscommunication.

[topaz river]

CLL is fine as it is now

[lucid crater]

weeklies

[maiden lodge]

There's a weekly to do CLL now

[left rivet]

And after this expansion that weekly won't matter?

[signal vault]

CLL for loathsome step

[topaz river]

Dalriada I wish had some more rewards but since it scales it can’t bottleneck people like castrum did

[maiden lodge]

And CLL has reasons to be done on its own having deep versions of essences that make some of the new actions go brrrr

[signal vault]

You have to do 3

[lucid crater]

And Zadnor has the field-notes, music, the mount you can get. And of course, the coin grind, again.

[viscid monolith]

I thought they added echo to CLL as well

[topaz river]

Also since Bozja and Zadnor are leveling content they can’t die out as badly as eureka did

[signal vault]

@viscid monolith they did

They added echo to CLL as well. I did it with like 16 sometimes

[maiden lodge]

After this expansion it'll be adjusted such that if you're stuck in CLL solo you'll have the power of an incandescent immortal god if you're just willing to dodge AoEs

[signal vault]

The only thing they should add more is mettle to DR and CLL

[topaz river]

There will always be people leveling and Bozja/Zadnor is really tempting for DPS

[maiden lodge]

You know, how Eureka was

[next quarry]

People still did Pagos after SB so I don't think CLL is gonna die that easily

[signal vault]

If they add more mettle to CLL. People will stay in Bozjan for Cluster/Fragment while waiting for CLL. It just has shit mettle

[maiden lodge]

But unlike Eureka, Bozja is also the PotD/HoH-style levelling grinder content, so it's permarelevant.

[signal vault]

Same for DR. ~700k mettle is barely enough

[left rivet]

Again, I don't think that was a wise decision

[drowsy belfry]

Oh hell come 6.0, it'll be PACKED with Reapers and Sages

[topaz river]

The changed mettle scaling probably hurt CLL but not enough to kill it

Imo

[lucid crater]

I imagine we'll get a general increase to mettle gain closer to 6.0 just to prevent it becoming a bottleneck, agian.

[signal vault]

And it's actually fun and hard

[maiden lodge]

I don't think mettle is designed to be a reward in DR though, rather just a 'you spent time, don't go away empty handed', I think the mettle is intended to encourage players to go into Zadnor

[left rivet]

I againz prefer content where on my limited time schedule. I know I can dedicate 30 minutes to and always get X amount done.

[gritty pawn]

Guess which dummy turned in their raw emotions before getting a second weapon ready to take up the quest again 🥴

[left rivet]

You just don't get that with bozja.

[topaz river]

Bozja/Zadnor and content adjacent to it are inherently designed to kill time

There’s no getting around that

It’s a time sink where other content can be completed on patch day easily

[maiden lodge]

It's really designed to be a 'I'm bored, misewell get something done in Zadnor' type situation

[left rivet]

But when you're a nurse in a global pandemic with maybe, an hour to play at most every 2 days, you.. don't really appreciate content like that.

[viscid monolith]

I should get a fully upgrade Judge set for Reaper and Sage ready shouldn't I?

How much is +1 Haste btw

[left rivet]

You appreciate content that's able to be scheduled and worked into your limited time frame

[topaz river]

Then it’s just not content for you. Most other content in this game can be done with little time investment

[maiden lodge]

Okay, and I can respect this. But you can't always expect every content in an MMO to be geared around small bite-sized play either.

[topaz river]

But this content specifically is built to be a time sink

[maiden lodge]

That's just not the genre of game, man

[drowsy belfry]

I've legit never heard anybody complain that there's too little choice for bit-sized content

Lack of hard core content? Sure I've heard that

[left rivet]

But it's supposed to replace potd. Which is my complaint.

There should be a bite sized version for those with smaller time obligations for leveling..

[topaz river]

FF14 is really forgiving in terms of the amount of time you have to spend on content. The large scale stuff like Bozja is really the only exception to this

[maiden lodge]

Dungeons

[left rivet]

Not for 71-80

[topaz river]

Also if you’re using Bozja purely for leveling then time isn’t an issue

Imo

Just get in there and do fates until you’re out of time

[left rivet]

Do you work 10-14 hour days?

[maiden lodge]

That content exists, go do a Qitana Ravel or something

[topaz river]

No, but doing fates for an hour or two isn’t necessarily the same as going mega hardcore on Bozja

It’s instantly accessible; iirc all fates and CE give the same exp value

You don’t need to go hard and progress the whole thing

[maiden lodge]

Also, you can totally do a bite-sized 'come in do a few skirmishes, then head out' deal.

[topaz river]

Yeah that’s what I meant

[left rivet]

I can't do msq roulette because they made cutscenes unakippable. I can't do all the roulettes each day because some dungeons take longer than others...

I can fit in trial and a few other things maybe

[topaz river]

Doing a few fates and maybe a CE is probably equivalent of 1-2 51-60 runs

[left rivet]

But I'm saying. HoH always offered a decent chunk of exp for ONE run, and it was queuable and it didn't rely on the map for being active or a popping instance.

[gaunt star]

You dont need the map to be active for bozja

[drowsy belfry]

Well I mean all Skirmishes in Bozja have a system where you can solo them

[maiden lodge]

Options for 71-80:
Pixies
Holminster Switch/Dohn Mheg/QItana Ravel/Malikah's Well/Mt Gulg
Skirmish-chains in Zadnor
Heckin daily hunts

[gaunt star]

Fates and CEs scale. They made it even more solo-able with hubris

[topaz river]

This. Most things in Bozja scale

You can go in at a weird time and still get what you need out of it

[gaunt star]

The only things you cant do solo is CLL/DR/DA

[left rivet]

The issue is it counts people who are in the raid fight thing, as part of the instance. There could be only 4-5 people doing ce/fates but everyone else is just waiting for the castrum to pop

[maiden lodge]

you wouldn't use those to level anyways!

[topaz river]

Doesnt matter

[left rivet]

Which means everything is scaled high and it's hard to do

[topaz river]

Whatever you’re doing will scale

[gaunt star]

But even then CLL can have 6 minimum and DA 5 minimum i think

[maiden lodge]

So if the content dies, you benefit then

[left rivet]

Scaling doesn't lock in automatically dude.

[gaunt star]

Oh i thought we were still arguing the fun-ness of hoh/bozja. But yeah u wouldnt use them for levelling

[maiden lodge]

Does on CEs, hard confirm

[gaunt star]

Also id rather have non-talkers in HoH. I dont wanna waste my time when im there to level/get aetherpool/whatever

[left rivet]

Doesn't on fates really. And if you fail the c.e that's like, no exp

[wary perch]

CE and skirmish is scaled

[maiden lodge]

Then do good

[gaunt star]

But honestly i hate that place outside of playing a tank, cuz then people single-pull and it annoys the hell out of me

[maiden lodge]

You say that as if many a PotD/HoH run wasn't ended by 'lawl mimics'

[gaunt star]

the worms in hoh and frogs in potd...

[wary perch]

Also, sometimes we just have to accept not all content can fit into the lifestyle

[maiden lodge]

'Oh look someone opened a chest and we're all dead, guess I get zero xp'

[wary perch]

But that's doesn't make it bad though

[left rivet]

Yeah, because the mob tethering in bozja is so much better

[signal vault]

You say that as PoTD weren't ruin by people that lure the whole floor then kill everyone

[wary perch]

Skirmish even has npc to help out

[signal vault]

I wipe because some dps decided to lure the whole room back. Wow

[left rivet]

"oh that tank v mob from the other side of the map? He loves you. All the way to the aetheryte."

[topaz river]

I’m in this picture and I don’t like it

[wary perch]

I find it hard to believe you can fail a fate except joining late with timer running out

[maiden lodge]

you say that as if avoiding these is hard

[signal vault]

wipe at 3rd floor. I hate that

[left rivet]

And then some asshole brings the cleaving V rank pony to the teleport stone and kills everyone

[gaunt star]

Me

[maiden lodge]

I've literally never had anyone train a rank V to where I was and get me kileld.

[gritty pawn]

When your job takes up 2/3 of an actual day and the other 1/3 is recommended for sleep, then a game is kind of hard to design around you having 0% of the day left to play anyway

[wary perch]

How can it kill everyone unless everyone agro the mob?

[left rivet]

No monbs should be able too enter ANY aetheryte settlement

[gaunt star]

Paladin > hallowed ground > lost font of skill > pull the bozjan rider > watch people die

It was horrible but it made me laugh

[left rivet]

...conals?

[gaunt star]

My favourite was the fates the spawn near the aertherytes

[topaz river]

Trash can kill afk people yeah

[wary perch]

Just step outside the Aoe?

[left rivet]

You know what an aoe is, right? They still cast those.

[maiden lodge]

It takes special effort to kite a mob that far, that's literally only even plausible in the final aetheryte.

[wary perch]

And why afk in bozja?

[topaz river]

No it doesn’t tbf

[left rivet]

You can't see the aoe if you're still loading in.

[gaunt star]

They spawn cloze to the aetheyte

[maiden lodge]

A rank V?

[signal vault]

You know that people could rez you in bozjan and not wipe right ?

[left rivet]

Yes.

[gaunt star]

One of them spawns like 5 feet away from it so that path becomes dangerous unless its turned around

[left rivet]

The tank V horses spawn right in front of the camp

[signal vault]

Someone could always switch to redmage and rez everyone

[topaz river]

Bozjan riders spawn very close to the last camp and I’ve seen them run in there

[gaunt star]

We talkin about mob aggro range? Just walk away amirite

[maiden lodge]

Yeah but that's the last camp, no one afks at the last camp

[topaz river]

People do

[gaunt star]

Fiddling with lost cache or appraising or looking at tp locations

[wary perch]

That's a night mob I think

[signal vault]

They even add a teleport back tele

[lucid crater]

actually i will agree here, the mobs aggro range is kinda nutty and i think they should deaggro if you enter an aetheryte settlement

[left rivet]

People die doing things like getting trapped in menus because they're changing their gear. Or appraising.

[topaz river]

Enough where it can be a problem in big instances

[signal vault]

Same

[maiden lodge]

Again, who does this all the way out there.

[gaunt star]

Its not like you can't get rezzed anyway

[topaz river]

I think there’s also a close mob in Zadnor as well but I haven’t been in there enough to see stuff like that

[signal vault]

That's one thing very annoying about Bozjan

[left rivet]

LOTS OF PEOPLE DO IT ON ACCIDENT

and it fucking sucks to die because you were changing your loadojt

[wary perch]

Also, that are harrassment and should be reported but not sure how effective that will be

[left rivet]

Loadout.

[maiden lodge]

Also why are people heckin fuckin with their gear, it literally doesn't do anything, you could wear level 10 nq crafting gear and have all your stats

[signal vault]

Just save load out

[topaz river]

I wouldn’t say bringing mobs into camps are harassment considering it could be done by accident

[gaunt star]

Please understand bozja is a war zone so getting ambushed at camp is realistic

[lucid crater]

BSF seems to have a lot more of this than Zadnor, never had an experience of a Rank V monster being dragged into the camp

[drowsy belfry]

I mean the Loudout menu isn't that big that you'll miss the giant conal AoE

[left rivet]

.... Not gear. But getting new potions. Changing classes and changing load out.

[gaunt star]

Would you rather Eureka dragons or Bozjan riders

[wary perch]

Ilv1 gear still same stats

[gaunt star]

Also its not conal its rectangular
But potato potahto

[signal vault]

@gaunt star Bozjan has more exp and people. I choose Bozjan

[wary perch]

I should do a lv1 gear and tank the boss with wood shield and wood stick in bozja

[gaunt star]

No. Bozjan riders or Eurekan dragons specifically

[maiden lodge]

I guess, I just generally don't change my loadouts that often in the middle of dangerland, I tend to commit to it at main camp

[left rivet]

It has more people, for now.

[topaz river]

It’ll stay that way as long as it is leveling content

[drowsy belfry]

Yeah, case in point: HoH and PoTD. That still has players cause it's leveling content

[topaz river]

I don’t think we need to worry about a population drop to the same level as Eureka got

[gaunt star]

No its always gonna have more people cuz you can level in there

[signal vault]

I remember someone went out of their way, went back to first camp at a lvl 5 rank. Get a pheonix feather just to rez a random like me die out of nowhere

[drowsy belfry]

Bozja/Zadnor will get an even bigger boost in numbers day one Endwalker

A good chunk of the playerbase'll wanna play Reaper or Sage through the new MSQ

[left rivet]

Potd and HoH are far more profitable.

I.. really don't understand why the bozjan coffers are so FUCKING bad.

[maiden lodge]

It'll be the Sagecage and Reaperkeeper.

[gaunt star]

No one goes into bozja to be profitable

[topaz river]

Because a lot of people open them and it’s high supply

[left rivet]

Like. Why. Why are the bozjan coffers full of just, nothing.

[maiden lodge]

Cough

[drowsy belfry]

Because you get a fuck ton

[signal vault]

double coughs

[maiden lodge]

No one does LOCKBOXES to be profitable

[gaunt star]

To be profitable compared to potd and hoh*

[topaz river]

You get them like candy yeah

[left rivet]

It's still annoying.

I don't get very many, because again, I only get an hour a day or so.

So maybe I get about ..30?

[signal vault]

Cough, 700k gil from 1 hour farming, cough, fragment

[topaz river]

If only we got the potd sacks that fast so night Pegasus could be cheaper on mb lol

[left rivet]

And all 30 of those are usually indigo stars.

[gaunt star]

Bozja stock market is very profitable, Im the number one seller of flowers on my realm

Okay fair enough but like.... First and foremost its levelling and relic stuff

Idk the argument of comparing potd/hoh wealth to bozja is just kinda weird

[signal vault]

Deep dungeon is bad

[topaz river]

You go in to level and do relic on the side or do relic and level on the side

[maiden lodge]

Cause you can make money off Bozja.

[signal vault]

You never do your rotation properly

[left rivet]

I didn't need to open... What am I at now? Over 900? 900 boxes just to get 0 mounts.

[wary perch]

Eureka lockbox is still a goldmine literally

[drowsy belfry]

Sounds like bad RNG to me

[left rivet]

Eureka I made a lot of money

[maiden lodge]

Also, lockboxes aren't where the gil is.

[topaz river]

That’s cause no one is in there which means Eureka items are high demand

[left rivet]

Same with potd

[wary perch]

But fragment has more gil

[gaunt star]

Tell that to the 50 gil I just made selling flowers

[wary perch]

No I mean the lockbox still give allagan coin which is a common drop

[maiden lodge]

You're comparing the best luck in making money from PotD/HoH with the worst way to make gil in Bozja/Zadnor, you're not really doing it justice.

[signal vault]

Bro, 3 bozjan cluster = 30 gil you could always get the colored memory along side

[topaz river]

The new Zadnor hair fell from 8 mil to 2 mil in a few days and will likely fall lower than that just because so many people are opening right now

[drowsy belfry]

So basically what I'm getting here is that: You want content that is quick, easy, can be done with minimal time investment, and can give you alot of money easy.

Have you tried leveling DoH and DoL

[wary perch]

I still haven't finished my allagan coin turn in at doma lol

[left rivet]

I have everything at 80 but my paladin at the moment. I did this before bozja

[gaunt star]

That words my point a bit better

[signal vault]

Also, where do I put PF for Bozjan content ? Other section ?

[gaunt star]

Adventuring forays

[topaz river]

The very last tab on pf

Yeah

[signal vault]

[maiden lodge]

People. Buy. Fragments. In. Bulk.

You can make a TON of money off people who want them

[topaz river]

Bozja can be profitable but you have to have intimate knowledge of how the instance works. Whereas potd you really don’t. To be fair

Like you have to know which actions are meta and what drops them

[maiden lodge]

If lots of people run Bozja, they sell, and the price stays high. If few people run it, they drop in supply and the price stays high

[left rivet]

I'm a nurse, and I get maybe an hour a day. And I just feel like bozja doesn't reward players the same amount gil wise that hoh and potd does in an hour comparitively.

It also has a VERY small pool of actual obtianable items which detracts from even wanting to farm the boxes.

[topaz river]

It doesn’t take a genius to know that the night Pegasus mount is valuable

Lol

[maiden lodge]

Fair, but on the other hand, farming frags is guaranteed.

[left rivet]

I made about 60 mil last week selling two night pegasus while making my relic step.

[signal vault]

Bozjan could only get easier by the time

[left rivet]

Or something alongside the other loot I got

[maiden lodge]

Most runs of potd/hoh don't give you shit for gil. You're comparing the highs of HoH/PotD to 'not trying to make gil at all' in Bozja.

[left rivet]

How many bozjan hairs would you need to make that much?

[maiden lodge]

That's really not a valid comparison.

[signal vault]

Probably because you solo it and demand bozjan to be like HoH

[left rivet]

How isn't it?

[topaz river]

Also I’m pretty sure night Pegasus is the only valuable thing in potd these days. Correct me if I am wrong

[gritty pawn]

As people have said, an hour a day isn’t going to be the most amazing way to play, SE can’t cater for that play level and balance it so the people with 6 hours won’t be done in a day

[signal vault]

Please spam 51-60 and tell me what drops

[topaz river]

I got the hair from potd the last time I did a 200 run and it’s going for like 30k

Lol

[left rivet]

Not really.
Many of the glamours sell easily for 30-300k

And then there is the hairstyle and other things

[topaz river]

Whereas the zadnor hair right now is sitting at 2 mil

[gaunt star]

I got the hair from DR day 2 and made 40m
Then i got another a few weeks ago and made another 10m
Then i got the hair from zadnor and made 2m

[left rivet]

Yes... And how many boxes do you need to open for a hairstyle comparitively?

[maiden lodge]

And how many runs do you do of HoH/PotD and get sweet fuckall?

[topaz river]

And the Bozja/zadnor mounts are also still fairly pricey

[signal vault]

tbh, FFXIV is already the most casual mmo already. You don't need to do most EX, Savage, Extreme to have fun. Normal mode has story, gear good enough already

[drowsy belfry]

I mean it's unfair to compare content that is literally Expansions old to current content, like ofcourse the rare shit's gonna sell for higher because nobody does it

[topaz river]

Less than it takes to get a night Pegasus I’ll say that much lmao

[left rivet]

Very few. On average on HoH, I always make about 50k, especially if I get a glam or a minion

[maiden lodge]

X

[topaz river]

21-30 does not make 50k

Maybe a floor 100 run

[signal vault]

You're trying to justify HoH because you do it solo. Most people don't do Deep dungeon solo for leveling

[topaz river]

But that’s not popular content

[left rivet]

For HoH?

[gaunt star]

This argument is stupid lmao

[signal vault]

Ye lmao

[maiden lodge]

I'm sorry, this is coming across trying to say that winning the lottery is a better investment than working a decent job because the lottery has a better pay out and McDonald's pays shit wage, and that's just not a good way of comparing either.

[signal vault]

I solo this I get money. Why couldnt I solo the other content for money too . I have everything at 80 but Bozjan bad

[left rivet]

The items in HoH are obtainable in other means too though. Im not talking about only the 'exclusive' items.

Bardings, minions, glamours.

[signal vault]

XIV is probably the most casual game already

[gaunt star]

Its just a circle of "potd/hoh good money better than bozja" and "bozja money more consistent/reliable better than potd"

[signal vault]

You can just do everything for story. Savage is just optional for challenging

[maiden lodge]

"Here's a way to solo that and make that level of money."
"But lockboxes!"

[topaz river]

XIV is a very minimal time investment compared to other MMOs on the market. The devs have flaunted that and they’re putting their money where their mouth is

[left rivet]

My issue is the time investment for reward.

If bozja in one hour amount of drop boxes had the same return rate as one hour of HoH boxes, then FINE, ID CONCEDE. But they really don't

The bozja boxes are filled with such a small scale.of rewards and a high amount of indigo star filler

[signal vault]

Tbh at this point you just sound entitle because the dev must cater to your requirement. It can't be more casual than this

[topaz river]

You’re comparing Bozja to floor 100 HoH runs when that isn’t a fair comparison though

Most people don’t do that

[wary perch]

People are saying the shirk in 5.55 ending is anima and here I am thinking it's lavos

[signal vault]

savage, relic, ex, ultimate are but cosmetic.

[left rivet]

I'm comparing bozja to floor 50-60 or 30-40 for HoH

[maiden lodge]

Not really, they're both good for making money. The issue is when one is using winning the PoTD lottery as a basis for comparison vs doing the least-money-making method in anything else. That'd be like me saying Wonderous Tales is the best money making method because an Ornate sells for massive gil on raid-launches. While true, that doesn't account for the fact you can't plan around winning an Ornate.

[gaunt star]

Ur issue is comparing it to bozjan lockboxes when you should be comparing it to frags

[topaz river]

That’s still not fair then because the vast majority of people do 21-30 for leveling

[wary perch]

And the dreamer is reference to the zeal people

[topaz river]

And that’s not profitable

[gaunt star]

Bozja isnt a deep dungeon

[left rivet]

You don't get exp farming frags though either?

[signal vault]

It's am opem dungeon

[left rivet]

I get exp and reward for doing the hoh base runs

[maiden lodge]

You do if you're farming some types of frags, yes.

[gaunt star]

Wth is this argument even
Are you guys arguing money or are you arguing xp :man_standing:

[signal vault]

Try doing 21-30 like everyone please

[iron scaffold]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxmnF8zOfmU&t=630s

[topaz river]

Higher floors in HoH are inherently more difficult (and honestly more of a time investment sometimes) then literally anything in Bozja

[maiden lodge]

Z3 stuff drops frags, and those sell. Some of the banners in BSF are pretty hot commodities.

[left rivet]

You have to go out of your way more than necessary to get clusters

[topaz river]

21-30 are the mindless exp grind floors that give jack

[signal vault]

No you dont, lmao

[topaz river]

You can get clusters passively without actively grinding them

[maiden lodge]

Yes, killing robots on accident is going out of your way I guess.

[gaunt star]

Drag mobs into skirmishes, done

[signal vault]

You need like another warrior to tank for active farming

[left rivet]

FFS I'm not comparing POTD. I'm comparing the base HoH runs.

[maiden lodge]

Lol no

[left rivet]

Yes, my potd runs solo made me lots. But that was convenient for me doing my relic.

[signal vault]

@maiden lodge dou run but ye WHM can solo it.

[maiden lodge]

There is literally no frag in BSF, that requires a tank.

[topaz river]

Comparing Bozja to HoH floors 31+ is not a fair comparison imo

[gaunt star]

Its not clear what the argument is cuz it keeps jumping from potd to hoh to lockboxes to clusters

Anyway im going back to work

[signal vault]

@maiden lodge there isn't, but im talking high efficiency

Im talking 100~150 frag/hours

[wary perch]

I think we just have to accept that not all content fit everyone and just leave it at that.

If the game content can't fit into your lifestyle then it just doesn't meant for you

[maiden lodge]

Cluster farms are admittedly best with a tank

[topaz river]

Bozja is comparable to 51-60 potd and 21-30 HoH

[left rivet]

Is 31+ the one you queue for with 3 randoms? Cause that's the one I'm literally talking about.

[gaunt star]

Cant compare apples to oranges

[topaz river]

21-30. You can’t profit that much off of doing that over and over

[left rivet]

I'm literally.. sitting at over 700 indigo stars.

[gritty pawn]

Bad rng

[signal vault]

Be my tank bro. I cant find a friend tank for Bozjan

[drowsy belfry]

So! I decided to dig out the remaining Sacks I had left from years ago when I used PoTD to power level RDM and SAM during Stormblood.

This was 50 sacks from just leveling 51 - 60, this loot pool is just as trash as Bozja's is

[signal vault]

I will be your friendly BLM healer

[signal vault]

Gray mage

[maiden lodge]

Dude I got a Lost Flare Star parked on RDM, I ain't heckin swappin to tank

[signal vault]

@maiden lodge i'll be yours

[wary perch]

Indigo star in lockbox is a legacy from potd and hoh

Those shit sacks are full of them too

[left rivet]

But people said "this is the new job/potd content in the game" so why can't I compare it?

[topaz river]

The emote is like 500k and the hair 2 mil. And since the lockboxes drop like candy there’s a fairly decent chance of getting either if you put the time in

[maiden lodge]

....hrmmmm

[maiden lodge]

Because you're doing an unfair job of it. If you compare a strat to grinding hoh that favors gil making, and a strat to doing literally anything else that does not, of course the strat that you cherrypicked would be better.

[topaz river]

I got both within the first day of the content being out

though I didn’t sell them lol

[drowsy belfry]

So anyway let's look at all the gil I can make from the shit I just got from PoTd

[left rivet]

Again.

It's about TIME.

I CAN TRUST that 3 sacks will have better odds of non shit than 50 bozja sacks.

[topaz river]

You’re the only person I’ve ever seen say that

[wary perch]

that's a confirmation bias

I'm the opposite

[drowsy belfry]

I mean you're kind of ignoring the fact that I literally just posted an image of 50 sacks that dropped as much trash as Bozjan Coffers

[wary perch]

Cos all I get from the sacks are fireworks too

[drowsy belfry]

Oh btw as I typed that, just made this much from Zadnor

[left rivet]

My last 4 HoH drops were..

One firework, Morpho and a barding. I can't remember which.

Please tell me what sells for more.
700 indigo stars.

Or a Morpho

[wary perch]

Bozja lockbox treat me better than those sacks

[topaz river]

I’ll admit I don’t like spamming potd and HoH that much but even with the runs I have done being profitable

[signal vault]

PoTD has shit gameplay

[topaz river]

I did a 200 run a while ago and made maybe 30k for my time

Lol

[signal vault]

Deep dungeon for most people has shit game play

[left rivet]

Bozja is no gameplay other than your usual fucking gameplay though

[signal vault]

Most don't queue up for 31-40 or 61-70

[wary perch]

Holy shit

[drowsy belfry]

I literally just made more via Zadnor with Dye then a Morpho tho

[signal vault]

You dont do rotation in deep dungeon

[wary perch]

As if hoh and potd has gameplay

[maiden lodge]

Again, if you can't see the problem with your argument there is no helping you.

[signal vault]

It's shit.

[maiden lodge]

CAuse HoH ain't dropping Morphos regularly

[left rivet]

And zojan is dropping dyes regularly?

[drowsy belfry]

Why yes it has

[maiden lodge]

ACtually... yes.

[left rivet]

How many zojan boxes have you opened for one dye.

[drowsy belfry]

About the same as you opened for those Morphos

[left rivet]

Because again, I've opened over 700. And gotten ZERO

[drowsy belfry]

The loot tables are just as shit as each other

[maiden lodge]

Why are you not asking this same question fairly about yourself? That's the real problem in this conversation

[devout musk]

are you just mad about being unlucky

[topaz river]

Yes Bozja drops dyes at a pretty respectable rate

Can confirm

[wary perch]

You have bad luck on the rng curve that's all I can say

[maiden lodge]

I've opened FAR less than 700 and already gotten 2

[signal vault]

Deep dungeon has shit gameplay for everyone involved in the leveling up process. I literally COULD NOT cast a Fire IV in it

[wary perch]

What you have is just confirmation bias

[left rivet]

I think I've gotten maybe about 10 flowers. Some household mandagora item and like.. a few materia?

[signal vault]

Loading screen every single floor trying to keep my phase up

[wary perch]

I don't even have 700 boxes and I already sold the hair

[left rivet]

And other than that. Nothing.

[topaz river]

Also doesn’t Bozja drop rank 8 materia

That’s still profitable too

[signal vault]

Bozjan is money printing machine

[maiden lodge]

Then make your money elsewhere in BSF.

[gritty pawn]

I’ve had 3 emotes and 2 hair and haven’t even had 700 boxes yet, so what?

[gaunt star]

Flowers are where the money is at Ive been sayin this but everyone ignores the truth

[gritty pawn]

RNG is RNG, probability doesn’t increase the more you open them

[topaz river]

The lockboxes are profitable but they’re not the only option

[left rivet]

Well, I don't know what's up. Cause apparently I've the worst luck in the world with this shit.

[wary perch]

I don't even know how you get 700boxes when you said you can't even out in an hour for it

[left rivet]

I got 2 night pegasus in one week and in my week off, gotten nothing from zojan

[drowsy belfry]

Well I mean clearly you don't cause you just made 60 mil with two horses

[wary perch]

Like the boxes drop every min for you? That's some efficient shit

[left rivet]

I had to legally take some time off work because else the hospital would be sued for overworking me.

[gritty pawn]

Omg

[left rivet]

So I took 5 days off. Cause, nurses.

[topaz river]

Then you just had bad luck I guess. I’ve never had an issue with lockbox rates

[gaunt star]

You guys just dont get it. I havent gotten anything big from Bozja lockboxes so clearly its bad and worse than other methods

[wary perch]

I play zadnor since it's live until today and I don't even have 700boxed

[signal vault]

^

[left rivet]

I've been doing pretty much nothing but zorjan

[wary perch]

You must tell me what you did with that efficiency

[signal vault]

what's your valor ?

[devout musk]

I’ve made like 20mil already from clusters ans frags

[signal vault]

if you have been playing for 5 days ?

[wary perch]

Cos I'm really curious how?

[signal vault]

level 10 dps valor or you're a liar

[left rivet]

I went from like 11 to like .... A few past 25?

[wary perch]

Fate only drop 1 or 2 boxes

[left rivet]

Like I have 3 dps or so now

[devout musk]

bruh

[signal vault]

5 days, 3 dps

[drowsy belfry]

Actually I'm fucking curious what frags in specific? Cause I might just go farming for a bit

[maiden lodge]

'You can't make money making xp in BSF/Zadnor'

The thing that drops from every Z3 CE in BSF:

[signal vault]

i've seen peopl with 5 days and level 10 dps rank. What are you on

[left rivet]

I also have kids and you know, other responsibilities though

[devout musk]

@drowsy belfry Artistry sell the most

[drowsy belfry]

Oh fuck yeah

[signal vault]

then you haven't played for 5 days to get 700 lockboxes

that's a lie.

[devout musk]

Kill the star mobs in z2 and farm sprites during thunder/rain

[left rivet]

So I say "all day" but I mean, I get like 4-5 hours outside of being a mom.

[wary perch]

So am i

[signal vault]

unless you duel, but that's not the case for you

[open verge]

Why lie to complain about a video game

[devout musk]

I got around 1k artistry when it rained and thundered for 3hrs straight

[signal vault]

i've been in Bozjan from 1 to 25 and I haven't seen 1k lock boxes

[open verge]

If you say you can’t make money from Bozja your just bad at the game

[left rivet]

I'm going off of how many fucking indigo stars I have in my inventory man

[grave raft]

selling fragments that drop an essence is a good market ngl

[left rivet]

I had about 700 of them when I logged out. Or just short of it

[devout musk]

Bruh

[maiden lodge]

Also, Zadnor lockboxes drop expensive glams too ya know

[signal vault]

bozjan hard

[gaunt star]

Oh no no no

[signal vault]

i too have little times to invest in bozjan

[open verge]

No money Btw

[grave raft]

unless you are going to the duels everytime, i think that's possible(?)

[left rivet]

Those don't drop from zorja or whatever

[devout musk]

They do tho

[gaunt star]

Zorja

[signal vault]

[maiden lodge]

Everyone has a bazillion indigo stars and I bet if you talleyed how many heckin fireworks you got in HoH in one slot you'd say it's a lot too, literally no one cares about that.

[left rivet]

The ones that give the skirmisher potion? No they don't lol

[gaunt star]

They literally do tho

[signal vault]

I didn't know I had money in Bozjan

[devout musk]

Because zorja doesnt exist

[grave raft]

you can buy the pure essences though

[signal vault]

CLL is money

[open verge]

How do you get runners secrets

[wary perch]

I think we are going no where with this

[signal vault]

500 bronze coin bro. CLL

[gaunt star]

This bitch dont know bout pangea

[wary perch]

No point arguing with it

[signal vault]

CLL is money, you all just don't know about it

[open verge]

500 I should have enough

[drowsy belfry]

Yeah at this point this shit's going in circles, let's just drop it.

[wary perch]

It's just going on in circle

[left rivet]

I don't think the ones that give the skirmisher essence are even on the exchange for marks. I thought all of them EXCEPT. That one was

[gritty pawn]

It hasn’t been going anywhere for at least half an hour

[open verge]

Oh it is for sure but I use the essences

[signal vault]

you ain't getting +10 haste that easily

[gaunt star]

Laws order haste is so good

[maiden lodge]

That's cause they are a common drop from most mobs in Z2 BSF, if you can't farm those you cant farm

[devout musk]

Imagine doing savage dr