The issue is it's outside the progression
#retired-patch-6-3-discussion
brisk quail
forest magnet
It's time consuming enough doing X amount of DR runs
I'm not even halfway through doing Lab runs and I already wanna quit lmao
brisk quail
You have to ignore
- Relic mats
- Mettle grind
- CEs
- Notes from fates
crystal arrow
It's time consuming enough doing X amount of DR runs
dude just pop deep ordained and spam lost death on star mobs 
brisk quail
To get maybe 5 fragments
Like grinding frags keep you behind when you could be grinding mettle for guaranteed gains
Or notes for a mount or whaterver
crystal arrow
they oughta add frags to the lockbox pool
crystal arrow
so far from zadnor https://i.imgur.com/Cya6qRK.png
brisk quail
so far from zadnor <:haha:240841245239410688> https://i.imgur.com/Cya6qRK.png
I trashed 3/4ths a stack last month
Fun fun
maiden lodge
You have to ignore
1. Relic mats
2. Mettle grind
3. CEs
4. Notes from fates
'Man, they need some way to acquire them without grinding for them, perhaps if there was some form of currency that i could use to pay people to do this for me, like a Market for them, and some sort of Board where they could be acquired.'
crystal arrow
I trashed 3/4ths a stack last month
I just hold onto them to have a rough estimate of my misery and suffering
brisk quail
'Man, they need some way to acquire them without grinding for them, perhaps if t...
Man only if they sold them.
Oh wait 500000 for one awakening? Shit. That's not worth it
maiden lodge
Man only if they sold them.
Oh wait 500000 for one awakening? Shit. That's not...
Im on the same damn data center as you. If they were 500k an awakening you'd be killing Doblyns for them and making bank.
crystal arrow
frags are expensive as fuck, screw buying them
brisk quail
Only if we could like passively gain them as we did stuff
Like fates. Or maybe from lockboxes
Like good ones. Not another another stack of bubble
maiden lodge
So, you don't want to grind for them, you don't want to buy them, and yet you expect to just get them.
brisk quail
I've bought like 4 million worth of frags as is
That's why I have like 87 Irregular and like 20 skirmishers
Gotta love those drop rates and RNG
crystal arrow
the day before 5.55 a stack of skill frags cost 367k
maiden lodge
Ya'll talkin like taking thirty minutes to kill plants or doblyns is hard work
brisk quail
When you could be farming mettle? Yeah it is
I could farm mettle for an hour or two. Gain an extra sun.
+5% damage boost
Or i can farm doblyns for an hour get 50 frags and then 60% of them are irregualr
crystal arrow
don't see why they couldn't, I dunno, reduce the chance of indigo stars and put frags into the reward pool
maiden lodge
Also, I hate to break it to ya, but you could have grinded those out while doing memories, but 'HW FATES' instead.
So, your complaint you couldn't get them while doing relic is factually incorrect.
Oh yes, less Indigo Stars pls forever
brisk quail
Wait? So dobylns drop memories?
maiden lodge
Wait? So dobylns drop memories?
YES
They drop blue memories and bitter memories. And faster for the work than doing HW fates.
This was known for a long time but people kept shouting down the people who tested it.
brisk quail
Why wouldn't it be in pins here then?
open verge
What are doblyns
brisk quail
Rock bugs
maiden lodge
They're the rank I mobs outside the first aetheryte you unlock in BSF.
open verge
Blood rage is broken on paladin
open verge
someone in here said only warrior can get full stacks and that’s just wrong
I didn’t know it gave faster recast times that’s sick
brisk quail
someone in here said only warrior can get full stacks and that’s just wrong
I've been playing around with it. It needs some... janky timing
Like you gotta pop it. Then dash attack. Then wait AS LONG AS POSSIBLE then dash again
Then your next dash should cooldown like 2 seconds before it falls off
Then you get to spam requistcast burst twice
open verge
True
maiden lodge
uh oh rowena mad
open verge
Still funny af to go go goo
maiden lodge
the house gonna provide a spankin
torpid yoke
@pine epoch i got more memes for you
pine epoch
x3
torpid yoke
why the hell did this post here
pine epoch
I have no idea why you posted here
maiden lodge
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/553372524876922883/848019761522409522/unknown.png?width=1122&height=631 RDM relic's grown on me, now that I have it. The bloom makes it pop a bit more, and the 'the focus is actually invisible magitek hologram'-ness of it is pretty cool
stiff charm
how do i spawn star mobs in bsf
torpid yoke
you dont. If they arent on the map already they are dead and you have to wait for them to respawn
crystal arrow
grrrrr no one ever kills them but they never show uop
they spawn during certain weather conditions at certain times - just pop a deep ordained and pray that lost death works
forest magnet
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/553372524876922883/848019761522409522/u...
what was your drg doing
stiff charm
I HAVE THE POWER
pulsar current
<:owocarby:588388854587719681> <:owocarby:588388854587719681> <:owocarby:5883888...
sound like that one fucker from the vault
stiff charm
yes
crystal arrow
ah yes, ser charibert
torpid yoke
they spawn during certain weather conditions at certain times - just pop a deep ...
star mobs do not spawn during weather conditions they are there the entier time if no one kills them
pulsar current
ah yes, ser charibert
with his brother, sofabert
stiff charm
i may have lost like a mil mettle but i got my lost slashes
crystal arrow
star mobs do not spawn during weather conditions they are there the entier time ...
they do spawn during certain weather conditions.
pulsar current
i may have lost like a mil mettle but i got my lost slashes <:owocarby:588388854...
only a mil?
maiden lodge
what was your drg doing
It was the first time in the Burn, he gets a pass. I give no disparagement on that guy
stiff charm
only a mil?
yeah lol died like 4 times trying to lost death
torpid yoke
they do spawn during certain weather conditions.
You're thinking of sprites not star mobs
odd yoke
Just sleep the star mobs then spam death
Just fill your holster with deaths to swap them in for the Cooldown
Get like 4 or 5 deaths off in a sleep
terse cargo
so gotta question for someone who might have more of an idea,was talking about this in aether's BA discord but if the diablo armament in zadnor was a weapon that sucked up diablos,would this make diablos a primal or does the armament only hold a fraction of the voidsent since we fight him prior to this war?
stiff charm
Just sleep the star mobs then spam death
i
forgot sleep is a thing
maiden lodge
so gotta question for someone who might have more of an idea,was talking about t...
Diablo Armament did not suck up Diabolos. It was made to house a voidsent of Diabolos' tier. If the Allagans had succeeded at that, Diabolos wouldn't be around to do Diabolos things, he'd be in that neurolinked flesh creature the whole time.
woven escarp
ye
allag wasn't 100% successful at everything they attempted, a lot of their experiments ended in "we could have done this if we weren't greedy as fuck or blinded by hubris"
there's tons of perfectly serviceable technology that was never deployed but the user manual seems like it would have worked if they had actually bothered to try it out instead of sticking it in a broom closet
dim sigil
So they are Google
woven escarp
I don't think allag has installed perfect data synthesis and mining systems in every corner of the world with the intent of monetizing it against the will of the eorzeans
unreal fox
yo who the glowy bitch at the end
turbid aspen
Mother
woven escarp
minfilia
turbid aspen
hydaelyn more like
woven escarp
just wait for the Big Reveal that minfilia was a shard of hythlodaeus the whole time
unreal fox
i thought it was azim for some reason
next quarry
I hope it's not straight up minfilia
unreal fox
or whatever our secret ancestor is
wind bough
Prevailing theory is that it's Venat.
dim sigil
As much as I would love them too I don't think they're going to die very much more into azem maybe a bit but not much
unreal fox
why would a final fantasy 12 guy be here
dim sigil
Have you been paying attention to the story so far although I yes it could be easy to forget about veant pearance in 5.3
next quarry
Because venat was mentioned before in xiv
wind bough
Venat was part of the group of Ancients that summoned Hydaelyn. She became the Heart of Hydaelyn, just as Elidibus became the Heart of Zodiark.
unreal fox
if i paid attention i wouldnt be here lol
dim sigil
I almost hope it's not veant just to subvert expectations
Especially with Mom Crystal suddenly being able to communicate with us again and the actual for real last unsudnered
unreal fox
what is 3103
brisk quail
Bozja honors
dim sigil
600 mil metttle wooooo
brisk quail
3 hp honors
10 damage honors
3 healing honors
Just... holy shit bro.
Do you like breathe and stuff?
dim sigil
As soon as I can start getting weekends off again I'm definitely going to no life it over that days
I wonder just how soloable things will be at 10 10 10
woven escarp
I hope it's not straight up minfilia
I do because I want to see everyone malding that minfilia was actually really good and useful the whole time
dim sigil
She got her limelight in 5.0
worthy cedar
what are good lost action combos for physical dps? i know mages got that no cast time one.
next quarry
I don't since it would ruin the impact that she had for passing on her stuff to ryne
woven escarp
like ardbert dying three god damned times?
dim sigil
I am mad because I spent all my clusters on the fragment that gives me this pure Essence that is really good only for me to afterwards see that it's only can be used in Dr
Minfilla shouls be gone gone itll ruin it if she isn't
woven escarp
she's only dead as far as we understand it, she asks ryne if she wants to be her own person and then fucks off after ryne decides
next quarry
Especially with Thancred's whole part of "oh shit minfilia is dead and I got this child"
woven escarp
minfilia's busted power is still a head-scratcher because she wasn't much of a mage to begin with
going all neo on the first is a huge power bump
warm bone
Minfillia is the priestess of the group to me. Like she actually goes deep into the echo/light/hydaelyn thingy.
Then mommy crystal showed up and asked her to literally be her avatar
dim sigil
Honestly I wonder how my perception of her would be different because I didn't really see her as annoying until I started interacting with the community
woven escarp
Then mommy crystal showed up and asked her to literally be her avatar
what if minfilia was always a fragment of the convocation, like ardbert?
warm bone
Its mostly due to ARR. Our only interactions with her is return to waking sands and she got kidnapped.
warm bone
what if minfilia was always a fragment of the convocation, like ardbert?
That would be pretty cool
woven escarp
yeah, people bag on minfilia because she's not a combat class, but I don't see anyone queueing up for Administrative Hell (Extreme) to fill out fucking paperwork and deal with dignitaries all day
dim sigil
I even liked stormblood overall it was only after I started talking to it about how people hated it so much that I slept on it a bit more
woven escarp
like, the amount of bullshit paperwork that minfilia did was so extensive that when she fucked off into the lifestream the scions were like "oh shit, she actually did a lot of work" and nobody has really tried to take it on except tataru
dim sigil
Wol does enough paperwork like making 60 memoirs
heady spear
like, the amount of bullshit paperwork that minfilia did was so extensive that w...
As someone who has to do paperwork of a research project, I really feel for her. It's not easy, especially when you have to deal with other people
woven escarp
yeah
warm bone
There is also the implication of alphinaud. He made the crystal braves after minfillia is gone and we all know what happened.
I feel like she would have been a great advisor for that shitshow
stiff charm
what if minfilia was always a fragment of the convocation, like ardbert?
her being a venat shard would make sense, assuming she got sundered. though i doubt it, being the heart of hydaelyn probably stopped her from being sunderered
hydae would probably not sunder herself lol
heady spear
That's why I feel the oracle of light I ShB should have been our minfilia, but they introduced ryne instead 
Missed the chance to "redeem" minfilia
woven escarp
that's true for a lot of ARR though lol
that's why I think they're going to bring minfilia back in 6.0 and be like "see, she was actually good and useful the whole time, you ungrateful fucks"
stiff charm
ryne is a shard of minfilia, though, so they did that while also having her become her own person
woven escarp
right before they kill her off for real
heady spear
ryne is a shard of minfilia, though, so they did that while also having her beco...
Still different person though, even if she's straight up minfilia's shard or reincarnation
woven escarp
well, one of them is literally a facet of an elder primal and can't actually die
warm bone
That's why I feel the oracle of light I ShB should have been our minfilia, but t...
The theme of SB is grief and how people push past it. Minfillia coming back would have undermined thancreds story
Its an interesting idea tho
woven escarp
I'm actually a bit tilted that thancred lived after that heroic last stand you play through
"guess that's it for me, then..." syke
stiff charm
same but im glad hes around
heady spear
The theme of SB is grief and how people push past it. Minfillia coming back woul...
Not really, they could have made different story for thancred without butchering minfilia's
woven escarp
imagine if thancred is laying there dying and fucking minfilia comes to resurrect him
gloomy shale
im stuck on 42/50 field notes 😦
warm bone
imagine if thancred is laying there dying and fucking minfilia comes to resurrec...
Aeris + zack moment
woven escarp
you came, even though you knew you'd break...
warm bone
Not really, they could have made different story for thancred without butchering...
I felt it was wrapped up neatly. It explained why thancred became a scion and stayed. He grew from a playboy to a dad having loved and lost too
Another random woman for thanceed prob would not have hit as hard for us.
woven escarp
I think giving thancred dad cred was a mistake because he doesn't seem to have noticed that ryne is gone
heady spear
I felt it was wrapped up neatly. It explained why thancred became a scion and st...
It is, but my point is that they could have made his story about how overprotective he is because he doesn't want to lose her again. Anyway, thancred already got his development in HW, so I think it's okay if ShB focus more on minfilia's side
warm bone
Feo ul could help too
woven escarp
ryne talks about thancred a lot in the post-transference quests
gaunt star
reaper is just 174 days away btw
woven escarp
but thancred doesn't really talk about ryne
warm bone
I think giving thancred dad cred was a mistake because he doesn't seem to have n...
It can be a bird leaves the nest moment too
woven escarp
eh, thancred's entire character development is learning to accept that minfilia is actually gone and ryne is not minfilia
heady spear
To be fair, we're kinda have our hand full with final days on the Source
woven escarp
and then he just goes back to being sneaky rogue dude as soon as he leaves ryne's line of sight
also, do we still need slow mode in this channel?
fallen fable
Am I crazy, or did Yoshi-P say that the gear from Zadnor would have a save the queen area buff? I remember him saying something like "Use the gear from the new zone to help you challenge Delubrum Reginae Savage"
heady spear
eh, thancred's entire character development is learning to accept that minfilia ...
No I get it, it is what happens in ShB. But I wish it's not.
heady spear
Am I crazy, or did Yoshi-P say that the gear from Zadnor would have a save the q...
I think it's the Valor thingy? Not gear
fallen fable
I think it's the Valor thingy? Not gear
yeah the valor definitely is a factor but I swear he said the gear had stats. Maybe he did but the dev team changed their minds?
gloomy shale
you think BLM is the strongest with all the buffs and haste and new lost actions?
woven escarp
No I get it, it is what happens in ShB. But I wish it's not.
I think giving thancred some closure with minfilia directly contacting him after the ranjit fight would have worked better
heady spear
yeah the valor definitely is a factor but I *swear* he said the gear had stats. ...
Ah, I haven't finished zadnor, so I don't know about that, sorry
fallen fable
Ah, I haven't finished zadnor, so I don't know about that, sorry
yea no worries. I was just fishing to see if I'm crazy for misremembering or not
warm bone
I think giving thancred some closure with minfilia directly contacting him after...
im not sure i agree with this. dead people dont come back to give you closure irl and it makes it hit harder tho i understand where you are coming from
woven escarp
I mean it would also tie up the "how did thancred go from being on death's door to drinking a tea in the mining town"
warm bone
it can also be a ranjit moment like he concedes minifillia to someone else because he can never stop locking her up in that dungeon and he knows its wrong but thats reaching alittle
tough fern
Speaking of....where did Fil'hamin go after we visited Minfilia's grave?
woven escarp
back to the rising stones?
tough fern
Is she still there? It's an elezen bartender in the rising stones now
tough fern
I noticed after finishing the msq, I was like wait......who are you
wind bough
She's been around forever
F'lhaminn has been hanging out mostly up on that balcony since Stormblood.
Perhaps earlier, near the end of HW...
woven escarp
I wonder if they forgot about her and just never moved her in the patches
although they do update mor dhona rowena's outfit every so often
tough fern
I saw someone say they haven't updated Rowena's outfit since SB
woven escarp
🤔
I thought they updated it when they brought her to bozja
I vaguely remember seeing her outfit match her mor dhona outfit
tough fern
Maaaaybe
muted sandal
Getting all these honors to 10 is going to be a pain
open verge
Win a duel and get the mettle buff
muted sandal
That’s if I get selected
heady spear
I mean it would also tie up the "how did thancred go from being on death's door ...
Alphinaud/urianger found him and heal him. It's a pretty cheap fake out, but not unreasonable imo. Not as bad as y'sthola dying for the n-time
tight current
Aeris + zack moment
me? 
maiden lodge
Alphinaud/urianger found him and heal him. It's a pretty cheap fake out, but not...
This. After decades of these kinds of stories, someone ain't dead until you see them actually die. Being put into peril or knocked down or knocked out ain't death, and in the past century of visual drama, it has never meant death. No reason why FF14 would be different.
somber storm
me? <:shycarby:588388854537519128>
open verge
I’m happy thancred didn’t die there
open verge
Going from the trial and not knowing What happened to thancred after was so sick I was so worried and not focused on anything besides that
So what do you think happened to gabranth?
heady spear
Going from the trial and not knowing What happened to thancred after was so sick...
If not for the Trust system, I would have worried way more than I was back then XD
open verge
Can’t believe that off screened kill gabranth 😭
dim sigil
Given how it ends theres clearly gonna be more to come
open verge
Definitely setting up for something big hopefully another raid series
stiff charm
So what do you think happened to gabranth?
faked his death. it is incredibly believable that a hereditary illness killed him, but i really doubt it would end like this considering there was HEAVY sequel bait
this is big matsuno fuckery, i can smell it, even as someone that hasnt played ff12 or tactics
open verge
IDk if gabranths really was murdered by Lyon but didn’t he say in the final cutscene his time was running out?
What the field notes said I just didn’t think Lyon of all characters would do that
stiff charm
he seems to share an illness with his dad, who died around the same age in dalmasca(?)
i think he asked lyon to "kill him" and take the blame for now, so gabranth can go do some other stuff on his own without people knowing. maybe under another name
lyon will probably be broken out of prison or wherever he is rn
open verge
He’s on the run with papaga I believe
stiff charm
ooo lyon pepega fight, pog
i havent read the notes myself yet i have them, just havent gotten around to it
maiden lodge
he seems to share an illness with his dad, who died around the same age in dalma...
'died of an illness' seems very mosfungus to me.
stiff charm
brisk quail
'died of an illness' seems very mosfungus to me.
Amogus
gloomy shale
what are the drop rates on these field notes im stuck at missing like 7
brisk quail
Bad
One of them is a 1%
Another is like 5%
And the rest are like 10% from boss chests
And then you got the duel ones. Which... you gotta duel for
Or roll the 5% chance
gloomy shale
yikes
brisk quail
Duel notes are 100% if you qin
gloomy shale
so the people with the bikes did the duels?
maiden lodge
Amogus
FFT reference. Ramza's father died of an illness. That illness, it turns out, was his half-brother Dycedarg poisoning dad with mosfungus.
stiff charm
still fungus amongus
I DONT GET IT I HAVENT PLAYED FFT
maiden lodge
Formalv: 'This is a self-report'
brisk quail
Was basch watching on cams?
Is that why sartivoir says do you see me basch?
Amogus reference
cunning jacinth
Hm, I’m doing the rank 16 zadnor quest rn, and I’m at a point where I have to pick 3 options, but none of them line up with my opinions
I know there are consequences for my decision, are they anything major?
cunning jacinth
I suppose my question is ||if I pick the first option, does she die||
I’m most likely going with the third one
cunning jacinth
||dang, I knew it was coming, but I would’ve liked if she at least stood trial for it||
Thanks!
versed hearth
in the Menenius duel, are you supposed to just manawall spiral scourge or something?
rain onyx
If that’s the one where it looks like they’re charging/casting an LB then yes
You can also use Excellence instead of Manawall and get a lot of extra damage
steel hearth
I heard that there will be a server update when the expansion drops allowing people to play across data centers the way we can visit worlds now. Is this true?
stiff charm
yep, but it will be more restricted. we dont know how, but probably will have to log out of your character before moving data centers (thats my personal assumption, take with a comically large box of salt)
versed hearth
trying to do it as a healer so can't use excellence but thanks, good to have that clarified
steel hearth
That's huge for me. I have 2 groups of friends on 2 different data centers. Sucks that I won't be able to join their FCs, but better than not playing at all.
stiff charm
cant even join fcs of anyone on different worlds, so yeah lol
but playing at all is better than nothing 
rain onyx
IIRC, they initially said DC hopping would be done at the title screen by changing which datacenter you look at
So if that’s still true you definitely need to be logged out
fallow ferry
So I heard that Gabranth just died, off screen and you can only know of this from getting a report after the Zadnor's version of CLL, is this true?
subtle pasture
Zlatan: ...You're not even trying anymore, are you? <sigh> Very well. Let us be about our tasks then, shall we?```on to the real relic step o(-<
--and yes, Noah's notes out of the final story quest of Zadnor tells ||Lyon breaks out of prison and assassinates him 6 months after the battle of the Zadnor plateau concludes, though, it is also particular about how long it takes to identify the body, which was... burnt? beyond recognition.||
fallow ferry
So Lyon lives but not the guy everybody hyped up to be this God of men
subtle pasture
Well again, the peculiarity about identifying the body really spins the death was likely faked,
fallow ferry
How has Lyon managed to survive so many encounters with us
subtle pasture
A mix of duels that aren't precisely to the death and/or sending in his menagerie instead
Else, the guy probably is the best Beastmaster alive, he's a hardy old fucker
fallow ferry
Even Zenos only survived 2 encounters with us, then he died and ascian'd his way back to life
subtle pasture
...The second encounter had a primal involved. 
fallow ferry
That would be the third that he didnt survive
We encountered him once in the reach, he fucked us up, then again in Doma
subtle pasture
Compare Lyon more to Ran'jit, anyhow
It's not like we even killed Zenos after Shinryu anyways
winged hill
So Anogg came back from wherever she was?
subtle pasture
Then it's not comparable to Lyon still, powerscaling is always a bit of a dumb topic
It's not like Lyon comes out unscathed, he's losing some of the best beasts in his menagerie, or else just his pride bc the grizzled old man likes to take time out of his imperial campaign to rough us up a bit
tropic frigate
He seems to fight enough then calls it quits and then he'd retreat
wet crown
it's also not like the WoL always fights at 100%
and considering that every "major" boss is fought after some others, there's also an element of fatique
tropic frigate
Also we might have more number of people technically in the fights
wet crown
you really shouldn't look too hard into this stuff
fallow ferry
I mean I just find it surprising, I don't think there's a single enemy who's survived more than 3 encounters with us
winged hill
Well yeah. But that was the copy, right?
wet crown
and the ones that have been fought more than 3+ times are primals or recreations
winged hill
Then who the fuck was that lol
dim sigil
Oh no help what do i do for relic stats
gloomy shale
are the zadnor duels the hardest so far?
dim sigil
Dont mind the glow but wish we got a unglowly version
stiff charm
you can get a matte replica
subtle pasture
are the matte replicas not sans glow--? yeah
dim sigil
Oh is there
I see my wish was granted
Now I just need to make a simple list of all the steps I need to do for a second weapon now
wet crown
wonder why the complete relic doesn't give additional haste inside StQ areas
lavish junco
ROFL i miss a chest before last boss in dalriada and i try to use return spell , and it teleport me out and i have no way to get in ........... jezz
drowsy belfry
--and yes, Noah's notes out of the final story quest of Zadnor tells ||Lyon brea...
that 6 months thing is really fucking with me
drowsy belfry
We haven't had an actual passage of time and now Zadnor fucking changes that casually
dim sigil
Its spoiling the time skip after 6.0
stiff charm
its probably building toward a "1 year since the beginning of the 7th astral era"
drowsy belfry
Whenever this shit gets adapted we finally have an actual passage of time
stiff charm
4 months on boat in sb, 6 months passing after zadnor.. everything else in 2 months works
drowsy belfry
I suppose so yeah
dim sigil
Made this for myself but I thought I would share it just kind of a simple guide or everything you need to do to make your second weapon
west cedar
drowsy belfry
All of that but also 18 Mhach raids /Gyr Abania Fates, 18 Ivalice Raids/Othard Fates, 60 Alexander Raids, 60 Omega Raids and 60 Eden raids, or Skirmishes and CEs in Zadnor
tidal mauve
you dont ever need to do the hw and sb raids again
drowsy belfry
Y'know I know we're not getting BLU in Bozja but like
I kinda want the Spin move for BLU
gaunt star
Blue mage do be in an awkward position I don’t see a way forward for it
lament breach
There's nothing wrong with BLU just continuing to be what it is now, an OP class to destroy content from the previous expansion
half phoenix
Blue isn’t allowed in Eureka, so...
dawn wave
i feel like eureka has more replayability
half phoenix
Yet we need to do a LOT of grinding in Bozja XD
lament breach
Is Bojza really that grindy though?
gaunt star
I don’t see what they’ll do for blue besides giving it more throwaway spells and like 1 new meme fight
lament breach
This latest round of it seems pretty chill
deft burrow
Zadnor is easy
gaunt star
It’s stale and dead on arrival content
half phoenix
20 million mettle for 3 proofs, 30 proofs to max a tree, 3 trees.
tropic frigate
The pain of miseria carf
lament breach
Which you dont actually need for anything but sure feel free to grind it if you want
half phoenix
So 600 million mettle
deft burrow
true
tropic frigate
Card
lament breach
You grind Bojza to be better at grinding Bojza
It's not like you're missing much by not doing it
cosmic herald
considering sharlayan food is considered effectively tasteless and disgusting according to outsiders
spiral wagon
considering sharlayan food is considered effectively tasteless and disgusting ac...
so theyre the british?
wet crown
It's not like you're missing much by not doing it
You're missing out on a great, bittersweet story
cosmic herald
their meals is made for academic purposes aka having tons of nutrition and not much else
wet crown
so they're microwaving their tea milk?
spiral wagon
half phoenix
No, basically old old style military meals, like hardtack
wet crown
is that another word for dirt?
half phoenix
(Yes I’m aware it’s still made/used)
No, just a very tough, very dry, unrisen flat bread
Took up minimal space, and got their carb count for most of the day while off base
half phoenix
Of what? Archon Loaf?
spiral wagon
yes
half phoenix
Probably?
spiral wagon
inb4 its a master recipe in 6.0
spiral wagon
i was just about to say
"what if they use fine sand to make it (what you get when you desnyth fish"
drowsy belfry
3/17
half phoenix
It’s mostly just good for plants for aeration, righy?
spiral wagon
yeah but what if the sharlyans found away to like keep the flavor of fish in said bread when you make it
idk im just spitballing stupid ideas cus im tired and need to go to bed
half phoenix
Doubt it
spiral wagon
ARCHON LOAF 6.0!!!!
drowsy belfry
You can bet your ass it'll be added to a Mastery Book for CUL in 6.0
half phoenix
But as for a real world parallel, i’m sure there’s some place in the world that came up with fish bread.
drowsy belfry
What we're going to Sharlayan and we WON'T learn it? Crazy talk
spiral wagon
You can bet your ass it'll be added to a Mastery Book for CUL in 6.0
only if you bet your ass as well. i dont want to bet on something if i get nothing out of it
drowsy belfry
Understandable have a nice day
spiral wagon
did he just diss himself saying he has no ass?!??!
cosmic herald
We'll be getting mostly Thavnairian food and some other food in Ilsabard
Though we still get Eastern food as tabletop furnishings
cosmic herald
tank queues will be instant again
iron haven
Relic weapon refinement, last step: what do I give my WHM weapon ? Max critical/determination + rest in spell speed or piety ?
iron haven
piety or spell speed is important ?
probably don't need piety ?
or if that doesn't matter much I could just get 60 on each
drowsy belfry
Spell Speed is a bit more important just to hit a sweetspot to cast more Glare
AFAIK anyway
gaunt star
who is in charge of relic design? will we ever ditch the glow weapon and go for a more dramatic approach?
wet crown
You can just use the non-glowy steps for glamour
open verge
@drowsy belfry what are you doing on the last step?
Is there a zadnor chart for frags?
open verge
Thanks now I forgot which one gives what
somber storm
This gives that
signal vault
why does WHM deal so much dmg in zadnor
open verge
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wind bough
Lost Actions/essences
open verge
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upper basalt
if I'm wanting to get the field note completion mount will I need to do 1v1 CE duels? Looking at a list of their sources it seems a couple is from the 1v1 duels but they all seem to have other skirmishes linked to em?
so I'm guessing I can avoid the duels but still get em
rain onyx
No, there are alternative sources.
next quarry
I need to work on getting the field notrs
rain onyx
next quarry
Ty
upper basalt
I think I have 1 or 2 pages done and im missing 2 or so on each of my incomplete pages
gaunt star
kind lark
The notes are pretty much a time investment.
stark pawn
More like Nyunbu because no notes for you
rain onyx
lapis topaz
I spent 2 entire days and finally got both the notes from the duo bosses. Got the mount
Next dal run
somber storm
Nyanbu
next quarry
I think I missed the chest for it haha
lapis topaz
Could've done that yesterday 
gaunt star
Prediction: Assize will be deleted in 6.0
lapis topaz
Please no
wary perch
Delete holy
kind lark
Nah, Holy 2 when?
somber storm
Holy that aoes over target
signal vault
Im starting to question my dps 
how the duck did the other BLM did 27k dps while I did 20k in DR
Bro, I stack lost magic and lost spell chain 
Is the haste buff from the whole set really that stonk
next quarry
Lost flare star
wary perch
Also honor
signal vault
He's like lvl 5~6 honor. Im lvl 4
lapis topaz
Flare Star,
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open verge
Does zadnor give more then 2 raw emotions?
cosmic herald
When do we get a burger as a recipe?
terse cargo
@open verge 3 from the dalarida
whats the fastest level 70 dungeon? got 14/15 raw emotions for my first weapon and dont feel like waiting for a new dal or DR
signal vault
@open verge dalriada is 3
open verge
Interesting
I think I’ll just do 15 dr runs for 2 weapons
I’ll need to get my ninja through 15 ct first tho
signal vault
Interesting
Same, I'm running DR for SAM and GNB both
Tho I've seen some fast clear down to 30m
People get used to the fight, less dying, new buff
I think people that do 180 raids for the previous step has already used up all of their sanity
180 raids
next quarry
this got added to the spredsheet
torpid yoke
finally now people will know that you cant just stand around and wait for ce's
wet crown
the absolute slaughter of infantry we will see now
signal vault
finally now people will know that you cant just stand around and wait for ce's
You absolutely can because Skirmishes are getting speed run
If you don't stay at middle of the map of any zone, no chance to get full mettle from it
viscid monolith
BUFF SKIRMISH HP
torpid yoke
scalings wonky the first week
signal vault
Bro I came when the boss at 70% HP because the NPc fucking slaughtered the mob
Get silver and no book
torpid yoke
did you do it alone or did other people come?
signal vault
Staying in Zadnor is depressing 
viscid monolith
Wdym the first week? It's going to get even harder to get to skirmishes as more people get their honor levels and stack up on OP lost actions.
torpid yoke
<@95719688209702912> i came alone seeing 2 npcs fighting boss
ok but did other people come after you
signal vault
Nooo
viscid monolith
Why don't people believe me when I say they need to hotfix this shit. It's broken.
open verge
180 raids <:khloe:710981816517132289>
Zadnor is so much faster it’s funny
signal vault
I was all alone, the ninja npc just fucking speed run it
torpid yoke
Why don't people believe me when I say they need to hotfix this shit. It's broke...
Because it was the same way in BSF
viscid monolith
The NPCs alone cam slaughter some of these
signal vault
And the map is fucking huge, you could never run between 2 zones
open verge
The zone is too big man it’s so annoying missing out on ce
signal vault
Yes ^
torpid yoke
The NPCs alone cam slaughter some of these
welcome to bsf week 1
viscid monolith
Because it was the same way in BSF
No it wasn't. Stop saying that.
open verge
So much empty space
torpid yoke
yes it was lance
signal vault
Also some Rank IV and V mob are deadly close to the Skirmishes
open verge
And your lying rymi it’s not that bad in southern fornt
viscid monolith
Something is different. The space between skirmishes is larger or something.
signal vault
You run pass them wrong and they 1 hit you
open verge
Southern front is way more compact a zone size
torpid yoke
its not that bad anymore but bsf week 1 scaling was wonky
open verge
The second area in zadnor is the worseeee
viscid monolith
What do you mean week 1. You keep saying week 1. Explain yourself.
signal vault
The second area in zadnor is the worseeee
The fucking rank IV harambe camp the bridge near the skirmishes and 2 shot anyone that look at them funny when going to it
open verge
If you aren’t near the ce when it spawns you will miss out
That big ass dinosaur boss just falls over it’s impossible to reach lol
torpid yoke
What do you mean week 1. You keep saying week 1. Explain yourself.
When bsf first came out?
viscid monolith
When bsf first came out?
And why was it only bad week 1?
signal vault
If you aren’t near the ce when it spawns you will miss out
If a rank 4 mob chase you it's no way that you stay in the skirmishes
It just slap you 2 hit
torpid yoke
im saying it was this bad at week 1
viscid monolith
WHY WEEK 1
open verge
No it was not 
signal vault
im saying it was this bad at week 1
BSF maybe bad but it was smaller
torpid yoke
yes it was
open verge
BSF is smaller then zadnor dude
signal vault
It's smaller, that's the different, like twice smaller
torpid yoke
open verge
Exactly
signal vault
Big different when trying to go for skirmishes (skm)
torpid yoke
When did is say bsf was bigger or the same size
open verge
The zone is too big for the speed these skirmishes are dying at
viscid monolith
im saying it was this bad at week 1
What changed after week one complete your thought god damn.
torpid yoke
pleas quote me where i said that
open verge
No one said that what are you on about
torpid yoke
BSF is smaller then zadnor dude
.
open verge
We are explaining why it’s especially bad in zadnor...
torpid yoke
What changed after week one complete your thought god damn.
People were closer in levels so the scaling wasnt as bad
signal vault
Like I love the fates but I don't want to be doing too much dps to it
viscid monolith
Levels have nothing to do with scaling
torpid yoke
it is when levels let you into the different areas
open verge
spare hatch
The scaling is actually just bad
open verge
The problem of the zone being too big and skirmishes dying to fast isn’t due to the number of players doing it
I can solo so many of the skirmishes fast as hell
torpid yoke
because the scaling is currently bad
open verge
And how would that get better later on when players will be dealing even more damage with honors 
signal vault
It's already too fast, they need to buff the HP like 50% or 100%
open verge
^
torpid yoke
no they dont
open verge
whatever I’m done
signal vault
I kind of don't want to stay in zadnor when im done with the 180 raids step
open verge
Same
signal vault
Tired
open verge
But that’s because I have level 80 on every job
rough kestrel
The fact flying doesnt exist in Bozja, nor mount speed, has always been very strange
open verge
I can understand flying and mount speed does exist
signal vault
@open verge do you need more skirmish essence ?
Go to BSF Zone 2, sit near the white worm then wait for some warrior or party
Someone might come and farm with you
open verge
What essences do they give?
lusty shadowBOT
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signal vault
!item Forgotten Fragment of Awakening
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open verge
These are guaranteed drops right?
signal vault
No, but high % but you need a party to farm it
At least a warrior with bloodsucker on and a healer/healing lost action
open verge
I’ll look into it later when I get on
signal vault
I farm like 150, used 150 and sell the other 100 for 650k gil
open verge
Smart as hell I’ll do that
signal vault
The hardest part is finding people to do it 
open verge
For sure
signal vault
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signal vault
You farm rank I mob in the starting area for this
signal vault
I haven't tried the beast essense with lost flare star for that solo farm. WHM can solo i think
torpid yoke
anyone can solo those mobs as long as you can sustain yourself
torpid yoke
the fishes and plants drop them
signal vault
But rank 3 worm is hard, you have high % to die
open verge
this got added to the spredsheet
Can we get a pin pleaseeee
Also is there a Bozja discord I could use to make parties
signal vault
Also is there a Bozja discord I could use to make parties
can i have it too
i keep waiting at the worm for a random stranger
grave raft
can i have it too
you're in jp? try joining content achievers
signal vault
you're in jp? try joining content achievers
the what, who
unique marsh
do raids only grant 1 token for the relic or 2 tokens like CE in bozja?
torpid yoke
1
unique marsh
meh
pulsar current
wdym his dad? alphi is our boy
dawn basin
I mean can we even call him a DAD at that point?
pulsar current
he's still around more than my dad LMAO
dawn basin
Still. I feel like sharlayan are in on this Final days nonsense.
Why else would they build Biodomes underground?
Sure they keep to themselves but has that solitude resulted in a Hatred for other "inferior" nations?
Do they seek to wait out the final days where they'll rebuild and repopulate as the sole inheritors of the world?
terse cargo
so i just finished my first relic,have they always been without materia slots for the last 2?
balmy mesa
lol thancred:
kind lark
Oh boy Thancred is going to love Thavanair
somber storm
Urianger and Thancred with the dancers of Thavnair
bold condor
somber storm
Alphi as Ahbed
vapid cape
since the twins have now been disowned. does this mean the twins can no longer access their families wealth?
grave raft
so i just finished my first relic,have they always been without materia slots f...
the adjustable stats is like a materia but higher substats.....so yes
dawn basin
since the twins have now been disowned. does this mean the twins can no longer a...
Not that we ever saw them use it
vapid cape
Not that we ever saw them use it
didnt alph almost drop a fortune trying to buy back a sword in stormblood?
dawn basin
Thought that was from the scions own coffers
somber storm
didnt alph almost drop a fortune trying to buy back a sword in stormblood?
From the scions coffers
vapid cape
i thought the twins funded the scions.
signal vault
but where do the scions get money
vapid cape
for the most part
signal vault
i don't remember bimbo ass looking thancred getting money
i think probably from tataru and hancock
dawn basin
but where do the scions get money
Tataru is many things.
A treasurer is something she excells at
signal vault
the twins are poor now
brisk quail
Alphinaud’s || dad has no chill at all disowning his kids like that ||
Prepare to be put in baby jail when they get to sharlayan
Can I make an annoucment? I lost my kids.
good by you little shits
Alphy dad bad dad
woven escarp
Tataru is many things.
A treasurer is something she excells at
lalafellian gilmonger magic
it's their racial trait
somber storm
Lalafells love money
signal vault
money and magic
obsidian osprey
LMFAO FUNNY
ember tulip
question...are there no shiny version of the last resistance weapon?
i really like how DRK weapon look when it isnt glowing
clever comet
Yes
wind bough
Yes you can buy a “matte replica”
ember tulip
okay...i guess that mean i have something to do between now and 6.0
swift rune
i love the friendships of garleans in Bozja
i feel like those antagonists are more compelling than the ones in SB
especially loved ||Lyon and Menenius tag teaming||
wintry niche
There's more depth to them in a lot of cases.
Bozja has the field notes to tell us what brought them here and why they're doing what they are.
swift rune
not to mention even the fates are telling a story
wintry niche
Stormblood suffers heavily from "who are these people and why do I care", at least for me personally.
swift rune
It was also necessary in Bozja's case because the IVth legion is characterized by their loyalty to Gabranth
especially in the sense that he has given them a future that they wouldn't have had in their homeland
whereas the normal garlean rule is just pure misery with a leadership of maladjusted villains
meager fiber
Hey sorry if wrong channel but since the update I have been unable to log in I play on ps5 has anyone else had same issue ? Where you are stuck in the art work loading screen
wintry niche
Even misery and maladjusted villains can be interesting if you explain how they got to be miserable maladjusted villains. I had issues with how they handled Yotsuyu, but it wasn't that I didn't care about it.
wintry niche
Hey sorry if wrong channel but since the update I have been unable to log in I p...
Where were you when you logged out? PS5 has some zones with issues loading in.
swift rune
Hey sorry if wrong channel but since the update I have been unable to log in I p...
maybe because of this ? https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/news/detail/8a33d3453c9bda11c88000d58543f6447926e9fa
meager fiber
Where were you when you logged out? PS5 has some zones with issues loading in.
I cannot remember unfortunately been happening all week I sent a ticket in but they said they don't give individual responses 😕 not seen any new content outside of youtube lol
I'll have a look dream
Read the issue think I was in a different area maybe a dwarven quest thanks for the heads up and enjoy everyone ill be staring out the window until I can log again hahaha
open verge
Farmed 99 skill frags that was ez
soft gyro
were you inside The Puppets' Bunker then?
dim sigil
I haven't touch this weapons forever what step am I even on I don't remember
soft gyro
first step iirc
just talk to the smithy guy in gangos, and then you get to continue a quest
dim sigil
I see the 15 crystal tower step
soft gyro
im guessing that was for farming the green memory ones
grave raft
I see the 15 crystal tower step
or 3 CLL inside bsf
dim sigil
Ye i do need Lyons notes from it i guess
oak pike
i got one of the time worn artifacts from a random CE in BSF
dim sigil
Well i do have this i made
oak pike
for the 15 step to get a an law n order
dim sigil
Made this for myself but I thought I would share it just kind of a simple guide ...
That
I am very grateful we don't have to repeat some of those other steps
gaunt star
im on the 18 void ark/ivalice raids and i refuse to do it 
who even thought of such an annoying step
so far 1 void ark raid 0 ivalice 
pulsar current
the same people who made book step
icy abyss
im on the 18 void ark/ivalice raids and i refuse to do it <a:pensive_rage_gif:48...
The ivaliice raids r so damn long
pulsar current
i just did 150 fates, blue mage best class
gaunt star
The ivaliice raids r so damn long
rabanastre takes like 20 minites which is ok
but its repetitive and boring
wet crown
I stopped after getting 5 of each in that step
waiting for the next two patches to nerf that shit and make it bearable
pulsar current
they wont
gaunt star
if their solution is farming boring raids or doing fates idk 
also no bozja step for that part either like ????? bruh
icy abyss
rabanastre takes like 20 minites which is ok
Yea it goes a bit quicker, but the other 2 r...bleh, the bosses have a dumb amount of health
gaunt star
Yea it goes a bit quicker, but the other 2 r...bleh, the bosses have a dumb amou...
health isnt a problem, first timers are a problem
and only bothers me cause that step exists
gaunt star
Which omega raids are people hitting for the Book step of the relic?
Delta 3.0 and 4.0?
topaz river
Have we come to a consensus of what the fastest/most optimal way to grind the last step is?
topaz river
Which omega raids are people hitting for the Book step of the relic?
Deltascape 1.0 for the first book and 3.0 for the second. I occasionally see people doing 4.0 as well
gaunt star
thank you
it's because a lot of us....hate grinding and I'm only doing it now because I have 8 hours worth of trance music and podcasts queued up
dim sigil
I feel like people forget this is ammo sometimes
crystal arrow
Have we come to a consensus of what the fastest/most optimal way to grind the la...
I've been seeing people say hell's lid
deft burrow
Swallow's Compass is fast too
crystal arrow
also has good glam
topaz river
I've been seeing people say hell's lid
Yeah I just did Hell's Lid. The tank can do some gigantic pulls towards the end that makes it fast I guess
Also yeah Swallow's Compass is also good for this
crystal arrow
I need to farm for healer gear from swallow's soo
isn't skalla pretty fast too b/c of the big pulls then
clever flume
yeah skalla's pretty decent, only kind of meh part of it for big pulls is the last section
wintry niche
I farmed Ghimlyt Dark for the minion. Unsuccessfully, but I suppose that's what future resistance weapon grinds are for.
crystal arrow
as long as it's synced, yeah
clever flume
no
livid oracle
wait did they genderswap Lyna and.... oh no why is this cute
wintry niche
That is very cute.
turbid aspen
upper basalt
heyy, whatre the droprates like for raw emotions? numbers and rough % per activity
for example, is HoH like the POTD step where the higher you go the more likely it is 🙂
crystal arrow
for example, is HoH like the POTD step where the higher you go the more likely i...
yes, over floor 50 it's 100%
you get 2 per dr run and 3 per dalriada run
livid oracle
oh god I have to do the DR step... i'm on the 15 memories from LCC... end me
upper basalt
are 70 dungeons 1 per dungeon?
grave raft
are 70 dungeons 1 per dungeon?
yes
dim sigil
Two DA one Dr then dungeons how i went about it
quartz kernel
Have people found out what the quickest raids are for grinding?
crystal arrow
grinding what
gaunt star
I did a4n, o3n, e3n/e4n - idk how fast a3n is, e3n is like 15 seconds faster than e4n but are you really playing FFXIV if you're not fighting Titan over and over
also for the last step you can do DR if you're looking to do more relics because it also gives timeworn, or dalriada if you're grinding honors, but hell's lid spam is by far the fastest - you can chain sub-7 minute runs with a couple blu in the party
open verge
What’s faster for the 15 crystal towers or 15 items from CEs
dim sigil
It might not be faster but I would just rather you the three c l l
crystal arrow
What’s faster for the 15 crystal towers or 15 items from CEs
3 runs of CLL, each run gives 5 loathsomes
open verge
Castrum gives items for that step?
next quarry
Yea
open verge
That’s badass thanks
torpid yoke
Don't wait till it pops do ce's to make it come faster
gaunt star
it always spawns exactly an hour after the first L10+ enters the instance
crystal arrow
Just get in and wait until it pops
god don't do this.
dim sigil
If they actually scaled up the mettle gain to like zandor when r25 I probably would do stuff
dim sigil
I'm going to cap out on honors over time
icy abyss
no reason to come back when i got my 180 raids step done
Farming indigo stars is the only reason to do bozja content c'mon now
signal vault
maiden lodge
waiting for the next two patches to nerf that shit and make it bearable
They already nerfed that step, they made fate grinding for it viable
drowsy belfry
<@!81708747520475136> what are you doing on the last step?
I just go into Instances and wait for DA, if there's a Dalriada up I just leave. Usually a Dalriada spawns within 20 minutes
signal vault
bro, 36 memory is rather easier than 180 raids
8 hours of fates grind with party or less
maiden lodge
bro, 36 memory is rather easier than 180 raids
Level to 25 in Zadnor gets you most of the way there. Doing raids for the rest is legitimately fast (can confirm having done it myself).
signal vault
i did that
maiden lodge
And you never do it again
signal vault
but getting 36 memories feels easier than doing that
you don't die, you don't race for fates
dim sigil
It helps if you're working for honors as well
signal vault
you just get a party and chill
dim sigil
I'm going to be grinding these anyway so I was able to do the Relic at the same time
signal vault
i finished it already. Im just saying that the previous is much chilller
maiden lodge
I guess?
It's a relic, I don't know what to say, this grind is the easiest relic ground to date
signal vault
i guess. I realized that anima you needed like a shit ton of poetic and savage grind when it just released
maiden lodge
180 normal raids is a fuck ton less painful than 8 hours of o1s grinding
signal vault
so In total after 1 relic it's
60 fates
6 dungeon
3 CLL
15 DR
5 DA
maiden lodge
That 60 fates/6 dungeon step can be condensed to 'aoe grind some mobs in three places'
signal vault
yes
maiden lodge
You can bang both out simultaneously--you'll get more bitters than you'll ever need that way
signal vault
grind cluster will get you that too
maiden lodge
I'm not sure Cluster mobs are as good with memory drops
signal vault
but i don't know how to get party, party finder doesn't have a section for it
maiden lodge
Also you can remove the DA step if you're staggering steps.
signal vault
I got like 40 memory of 1 color for 100~150 bozjan cluster. Like 1 hour
open verge
This step is so easy and I didn’t know they nerfed the last step
I didn’t know castrum gave stuff now that’s amazing
signal vault
it's faster if 8 man grind split 2
maiden lodge
So really, to repeat a relic, it's 'aoe grind mobs in BSF' -> '3 CLL' -> 15 DR if you stagger your quests right.
signal vault
and people still do fates Bozjan cluster is both gil for the mount/hair and memory
maiden lodge
it's faster if 8 man grind split 2
It's faster of 3 men split 3.
signal vault
the hardest step is getting people
maiden lodge
This really is the easiest relic they've done, especially subsequant ones
earnest sedge
This really is the *easiest* relic they've done, especially subsequant ones
Aint HW easiest
signal vault
when it was just released, not really
maiden lodge
Aint HW easiest
No, it isn't.
signal vault
it was 12000 poetic for 1 step
the unidentified was 300 poetic each
earnest sedge
No, it isn't.
I see
maiden lodge
it was 12000 poetic for 1 step
the unidentified was 300 poetic each
Don't forget crystal sands
signal vault
and lvling crafter was harder, people couldn't cheese the savage
they also can't unsync 10 normal dungeons, 3 hard dungeons
maiden lodge
But even in modern terms, no, an anima weapon is still more work than your second+ bozja weapons.
wintry niche
HW relics looked like a cast-iron pain in the ass if you didn't have an ARR relic to turn in.
maiden lodge
and light grind was nerfed 50% for us
and you couldn't just unsync zerg o9s repeatedly unless you knew the fight
wintry niche
Possibly if you did, but I got to that point, saw what it wanted from me if I didn't have one, and bailed.
clever flume
the first step for HW wasn't that bad, having a zeta skipped arguably one of the easiest steps
signal vault
at least 63 alliance raid for the light grind
maiden lodge
Yeah, 'oh no get drops in fates' was a meh step
wintry niche
If that was one of the easiest, then I guess it's a good thing I skipped the rest.
signal vault
or 90 dungeons
clever flume
wintry niche
I figured I didn't care about the glam that much, and without the actual powerup to motivate me, there just didn't seem to be a point.
clever flume
all it was, was fate farming
wintry niche
(I started very recently, so better equipment was available for purchase.)
signal vault
today anima is a breeze if you grind it casually with poetic
clever flume
with much better drop rates than atma
maiden lodge
I mean I didn't hang do the anima grind myself until towards the end of HW so I feel that
signal vault
(I started very recently, so better equipment was available for purchase.)
but your weapon could never glow like anima
I still consider anima design to be the 2nd best after Resistance stage 2, we don't talk about stage 3
maiden lodge
Only reason I did anima was so that I could eschew melding piety on the gear
gaunt star
What were they smoking when they designed the 5.55 weapons
signal vault
smoking crystal on the weapon
maiden lodge
What were they smoking when they designed the 5.55 weapons
I dunno, they're growing on me
wintry niche
The WHM one is fine. The BLM one works for some designs.
maiden lodge
Like they look like hyperfuturistic allagan-inspired weapons.
wintry niche
The others... I can see them working with the right glam?
crystal arrow
They look far better in game than a lot of the previews. For some reason people chose super bright places to showcase the new looks <.<
maiden lodge
Like this is advanced shit countries at war with Allag might have
maiden lodge
They look *far* better in game than a lot of the previews. For some reason peopl...
Also in game previews don't really show the bloom well
wintry niche
Except DRK with glow. I dunno what's up with that. Without glow it looks cool.
maiden lodge
These weapons do POP when wielded but not in the window where you preview the weapon
crystal arrow
Also do note the glowy versions are dyable so thank god I don't have to look at the green gnb weapon forever
signal vault
still bad i hate all of it. We were so close to perfection on stage 2
wintry niche
Well, that's what the replicas are for.
crystal arrow
still bad <:vierbruh:711678805051179108> i hate all of it. We were so close to p...
that's your opinion the subtle glows are far nicer than the eyesores that other relics are imo
next quarry
Honestly, progression of a relic should be uncontrolled light, then contained, then controlled
signal vault
bro, it has detail engraving, a orange line and a medium blue glow
they were so perfect there were no more to perfect
the SAM has a traditional sheath with some rope, a round guard and a red blade with fiery glow
they outdone themselves so they went with rock for stage 3 
crystal arrow
all of the glows for stage 2 looked the same, just recolored fire
signal vault
how it glows matter
next quarry
I think recollection is better for sam
signal vault
the glow on hoshikiri is kind of nice, ngl
Red/white glow but the guard and blade and the sheath don't fit
wanton steppe
Twins got disown by daddy, wonder what mommy gonna do about it.
kind lark
People were hating on the second step hard, imo the most consistent step in looks was the first
torpid yoke
I like the stage 3 relics
Especially ninja. Only one I don't like is mch and that's only because I just don't like that gun look
maiden lodge
I like that the RDM literally doesn't have a physical focus. The focus is ALL weapon glow
torpid yoke
Oh and the rdm one is amazing
kind lark
There is some relic 3 that I want to see in-game, like war
silver egret
its bad dont bother
maiden lodge
And the glow has the white mage and black mage job icons in it, but not in the style of the job stones, in the style that shows up in Vermillion Scourge
silver egret
relics went from good to bad to worse this expac
torpid yoke
I think they are all on the same level. They all looked good to me
bold condor
Way I see it there are two options. Either their mom knew they were getting disowned when her husband left Sharlayan in person to meet them OR he hasn't made it public knowledge to anyone because he's playing chess to get us to the island and their mom will find out when we get there.
maiden lodge
Something that I noticed with the RDM weapon
The casting glow that emanates from the weapon comes from ABOVE the flower shield hologram, not inside it like other RDM weapons, so it looks like, when you're casting, the magic is being formed above the weapon rather than from a crystal inside it, it's a neat effect for this weapon
vs
It's hard to tell there but they actually move the casting glow effect for the weapon which is a neat touch
open verge
The dark knight resistance weapon is super sick man
Can’t believe people don’t like it
maiden lodge
torpid yoke
Too bad the user of the greatsword fckn died
maiden lodge
Yeah, the runes corkscrewing up into the spell casting is a great look. I need a glam for this
torpid yoke
You need to put some pants on first
maiden lodge
I did that specifically so I could see the focus sheathed.
Spoiler: There's nothing there
torpid yoke
A likely story dis 
stiff charm
thigh-discussion
gaunt star
So maybe I'm just stupid but is this patch the end of Save the Queen or the start of Return of the Queen?
something showed up on screen at the end of the questline and I was a bit confused
maiden lodge
The chapter title always shows up at the end for Save the Queen
That's the fourth time you've seen that.
gaunt star
oh....didn't know that, too much stuff going on, thanks
swift rune
I don't remember Return of the Queen showing up beforehand @maiden lodge
yeah they're chapter titles pretty much
maiden lodge
I don't remember Return of the Queen showing up beforehand <@!275781124872077315...
Of course not. Because that's not the title of chapters 1-3. It's the chapter title of 4.
swift rune
yeah i finally got it
The final quest being March of the Bloody Queen and the final boss being ||Diablo|| is a huge Ogre Battle: March of the Black Queen reference
maiden lodge
Oh yes.
With Yoshi-P sitting there bouncing in excitement over it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tm5-f4iOgHs here we go
slate ridge
i wonder if when alisaie said "i can look after myself you know" in the endwalker trailer, i wonder if that means she and alphinaud have to take care of themselves since they've been disowned
stiff charm
nah probably just referring to vercure
gaunt star
Or probably just being stingy and snarky towards Alphie
placid sail
Alisaile looks up to the WoL, I suspect that she just doesn't want to be seen as weak in front of them
soft gyro
i wonder if when alisaie said "i can look after myself you know" in the endwalke...
it means she doesn't need heals and she can vercure herself like a non-dps'er she is.
slate ridge
Oh yeah, vercure
gaunt star
please someone use the time stone ... ew is so far ... REAPER is so far
barren karma
I wonder tho....I mean if we do eund up having to kill the twins pops.....would that cause a rift between the WOL and the twins...or would they not mourn there father
stiff charm
i doubt we will have to kill him, but if anyones doing it its them not us
pulsar current
wol never kills anyone except for raubahn
just take his other arm
stiff charm
yeah i dont remember him doing that in xiv and im like 99% sure i would
next quarry
Yea
heady shadow
This is the best Bait https://clips.twitch.tv/EnchantingAbrasiveGooseFutureMan-mIT4rCDJcHDdckAQ
stiff charm
This is the best Bait https://clips.twitch.tv/EnchantingAbrasiveGooseFutureMan-m...
"(...) please look forward to it." -naoki yoshida
heady shadow
if a person didnt know the speakers and saw this without context they would be all over the forums.
Lukile is one of the people who almost passed out when the 24man was shown to be about the 12 since he like ethys and other lore nerds from 1.0 are excited.
stiff charm
still waiting for the 5 hour ethys video on endwalker speculation
also the zadnor playthrough
i am very excited to see his take on the field notes
placid sail
that Zenos handgrab looks like the handgrab he makes at the end of 5.55
towards the moon
I don't think it's foreshadowing, it's probably just a cool reference
crystal arrow
Sort of but not really. Again, it's dissidia, I wouldn't put much weight on his appearance in it besides reinforcing the "he's a sam but in his own style" thing
heady shadow
i like how zenos ditches his dissidia outfit for the Not sephiroth one xD
dim sigil
It's weird how that outfit was only used for a few scenes
topaz river
Relic weapon get
My first ever completed relic and I immediately glamoured over it
Lmao
pastel coyote
Ha that explained why it's not ugly
topaz river
I’m not really a fan of the circular shields
Also this dyes awfully
The glow will always cover whatever you dye it to
I forgot to go look at the non glow one but I don’t like the model to begin with so
pastel coyote
Hmmm does the item that boost exp affect roulette/challenge log/wonder/daily quest ?
stiff charm
yes it affects all xp gain
pastel coyote
hmmmmm
drowsy belfry
All the dumnb notes I still need
pastel coyote
Just to check for the early acces in november, if i make thing right AND i can play before the reset i should be able to get: challenge log (roulette 2/3 + dungeon 4/5 + fate 4/5 + guildest 2/3 + recommandation 4/5 ) + wonder + 2 x(pixie + msq + leveling)
Did i forget something i can prepare and is worth ?
rough kestrel
Got a question for relic people.
Is the relic only dyable if it also glows? Can you get a dyable replica that doesn't glow?
Or is your only choice "Glow" (dyable) and "Non glow" (non dyable) ?
gaunt star
The matte replicas are dyeable
rough kestrel
Thank fuck
It means I can have my weapon match my glam without having a garbage glow.
gaunt star
hey wait so did nier NG+ end up having anything
rough kestrel
No, it seems like the statistics at the end imply that we all got the outcome we did due to the overall majority choosing Anogg
So it's over
gaunt star
Kind of a lackluster ending tbh
rough kestrel
It's dark as fuck
atomic hull
Yo was wondering, how does the end of zadnor goes if u decide to kill that person?
I had the cutscene where she was alive but was wondering how it goes if shes dead
pastel coyote
Please look forward the result in the next Nier game
rough kestrel
I mean, the Nier storyline ends with one dwarf missing in another world (Who wasnt even real anyway) and the other killing himself.
gaunt star
It is dark, but idk the whole Nier questline didn't live up to the hype that people were getting crazy about before it launched imo
Fun raids tho
rough kestrel
I still want to fucking know why the quest icon shows him happy and in a different area that he's never in.
stiff charm
I still want to fucking know why the quest icon shows him happy and in a differe...
idk heaven
viscid monolith
Oh he killed himself? Wow very sad good job Yoko Taro.
I'm just gonna tell people to skip this raid series in the future.
stiff charm
raids were fun, im a big nier fan and yoko taro stan in general
but this story wasnt it
gaunt star
Nier story and zero Emile mask references 0/10 /s
rough kestrel
@viscid monolith He basically resorts to living in a shack in Eulmore after 6 weeks and desperately tries to find a way to get Anogg back, but he fails to do so and eventually says he cant go on after having a breakdown. The game tricks us into thinking we're about to walk in on him, but instead it starts glowing or heavenly outside and it's Anogg come to take him away. By the time we get there, there's nothing left, but it seems to me like it's symbolism for him taking his own life and her spirit helping gim pass on.
Then we get a screen showing the stats of every server's choice between Anogg and Konogg (roughly 65% of all players in every DC chose Anogg). So I have an inkling that decided his fate.
viscid monolith
I vaguely remember that choice but not which one I made, why I made it, or what the context is.
rough kestrel
Which is a shame, I wish it was per individual, I went all the way through it in NG+ and changed my decisions to see if maybe we got a different ending. The choice is to trust 2P and rush on ahead with Anogg. Or to be cautious and not trust 2P, like Konogg wanted (I of course chose Konogg)
So basically the XIV Playerbase fucked it up.
stiff charm
they were horny again
heady shadow
Thats because they were so used to the illusion of choice in ffxiv they didnt think it mattered xD
we all got played
gaunt star
I'm surprised at how split it was, 60% chose Anogg and 30% chose Konogg for every DC and world, that's just crazy to me
rough kestrel
There's even a warning telling you that it matters, though the quest rewards wont change.
Which I suppose = Does not matter
Maybe if they had differing orchestrion and quest rewards, people would have put more thought into it
heady shadow
so if you think about it the ending was just like a nier/drakengard ending. xD
rough kestrel
Someone else put it pretty aptly, it's the ending of a Nier Sidequest.
bold condor
As an aside, the raid is still worth it for glamour/the raid battles are pretty fun/orchestrion.
rough kestrel
Yeah they're my favorite Alliance Raids in the game, I think puppets is the weakest though, CF has such a strong finish with 9S
heady shadow
ye.
so i wonder if this is supposed to be canon maybe we'll see a lalafell in the next nier game xD
stiff charm
Yeah they're my favorite Alliance Raids in the game, I think puppets is the weak...
also weight of the world prelude 
bold condor
honestly, that wouldn't make it better, but I hope it happens anyway.
rough kestrel
Given how little Replicant and Automata were initially connected, I'd be very surprised
bold condor
I wouldn't mind Konogg's story continuing in NieR in general, similar to Emil's cameo in Automata.
rough kestrel
Anogg*
bold condor
Both of them.
heady shadow
both would be fine
rough kestrel
I mean Anogg is the only one that went through the portal though
So I don't know how Konogg would ever appear unless the orb somehow made a construct of him.
We also have a weird loose end with Glagg going crazy, going down to where the seed was in the ship, being found unconscious and walking away as though nothing happened. I feel like, kind of like with Ivalice, at some point there's going to be a follow up with the dwarves
topaz river
That sounds like something a nier game would follow up on, not 14
Quite frankly I don’t want to see any more nier in 14 ever again lol
gaunt star
big same
rough kestrel
So all you get really is Digsite Chief going "Dude I dont know what the fuck was going on, but I guess things are fine? I've got nothing more for you, maybe someday"
topaz river
Raids were fun, story was garbage. I’ll never understand why people worship Yoko Taro
At least the glam is nice
rough kestrel
Playing back through it again, the dwarves were pretty good
The weakest parts to me where how little 2B and 9S were involved but yet seemed to matter, 2P had more of a character arc than they did
next quarry
I mean blitz, this wasn't a good representation of what yoko can do
rough kestrel
You get some data logs in CF early on with a Machine wondering about the reproductive act and what it means to birth a thing (Which is typical Automata) and I suspect that culminated with 2P
gaunt star
Is the big reward that Yoshi said tower would have the 2B and 9S hairs? Cause those are kinda meh
gaunt star
Oooh, I thought he said something about tower having a reward people would want too
rough kestrel
I don't recall that part, just that the Bozja raid would have a reward everyone would want
gaunt star
Yeah, I'm probably just remembering it wrong
heady shadow
I mean yoko yaro did mention that players complained about over exposition(ivalice raid story cough) so maybe there wouldnt be much of that
rough kestrel
We already knew hairstyles were on the menu for Nier anyway as we got the hairstyle at the end of Ivalice
If you remove the general expectation people place on Nier content, it's pretty decent, I'll still take it over Ivalice though
But how I feel about Ivalice is how people feel about Nier, so it is what it is
(Though Bozja helped out the SB raids alot I think)
carmine basin
Still wish the raid story focused on the dwarves in the first place without involving 2B&9S
somber storm
Dwarf raid
iron scaffold
Still wish the raid story focused on the dwarves in the first place without invo...
We have Dwarf Beast Tribe Quest at home
iron scaffold
wait did they genderswap Lyna and.... oh no why is this cute
I prefer the Grandpa Cat & Granddaughter Bunny over this
turbid aspen
little simp boy graha
maiden lodge
If you remove the general expectation people place on Nier content, it's pretty ...
odd. I feel the problem with the content is it's not really designed to tell a FFXIV story, whereas Ivalice was.
viscid monolith
Who cares if the story fits XIV in any way, shape, or form as long as it doesn't have big scary exposition? Nevermind that the raid explains literally nothing and there actually is exposition but you have to physically look for it and pick it up.
Remind me again. Are the quests where you pick up the exposition notes optional?
Nvm I just remembered they are
umbral temple
wtf does curse of the coporeal do in the last boss of dalriada
subtle pasture
wassat