retired-patch-6-3-discussion

[signal vault]

[gaunt star]

Tf
Wait is that a tank essence

[grave raft]

what fragment drops lodestone again?

[signal vault]

help

what do i do here btw

[signal vault]

history

[gaunt star]

You get like 17-20 history from deathing the t-rex star mob in z1, near the base aetheryte

Theres a thing to press the button snor

[stiff charm]

hud off andy

[signal vault]

[grave raft]

so i need lost swift if i didn't succeeded on lost deathing a star mob

[gaunt star]

Depends what you are
And if the answer is anything but astro its wrong

Sleep > swift+ death
If it failed, you open a new death and lightspeed
If it fails pop another
Etc

Then you either sleep it again or book it

Wait for it to lose aggro then go back

Also ordained essence ofc

[signal vault]

@grave raft you could also go farm the sprite

this i like

[grave raft]

same procedure like killing a star mob, right?

[signal vault]

no, you equip the lost reflect, then you use irresgular potion

then you cast lost effect before going into aggro range, they will hit you and kill themselves

[grave raft]

ohhh thanks

[signal vault]

remember to keep spaming reflect, if you let it go you will die

like instantly die

[gaunt star]

Sprite farming is go tank > essence of the irregular > take off all your gear

Then reflect
Casting reflect will automaticslly aggro nearby sprites. If this happens they hit you before it actually goes off which will kill you so be careful

Take reflect and lost swift to be efficient

If someone else is already farming in ur location its good manners to leave and find somewhere else, or ask to join their party so u can get some of the frags

[signal vault]

most people will just let you join

[gaunt star]

Yea

Unless they're full

[next quarry]

One time in Eureka, someone got kicked out and sprite farmed while we were in BA still. Got like 50 logos

[faint dagger]

What're the new duel titles?

[faint dagger]

Cheers

[gaunt star]

Is there a new overall title

Like the sword of the south one

[clever flume]

"Hero of Zadnor"

[gaunt star]

1440p vs 4k mode on ps5?

What d u prefer?

[clever flume]

there's also a title for getting both sets of titles, which is "Gunnhildr's Blade"

[odd yoke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX9plwzishQ yeah daily reminder flare star was a (good) mistake

[wind bough]

gonna be giving the side-eye to anyone rocking Lyon Tamer

[odd yoke]

BACK IN MY DAY duels were challenging and needed skill...now all these kids with their new fangled stars and fonts coming to take our jobs

[torpid yoke]

i mean they are still challanging

[lunar oar]

What raids are people doing for the relic quest?

[torpid yoke]

Plus the cheese helps everyone since mettle buff

[gaunt star]

E3 for purple memories

The other ones idk... I think people are just doing it in zadnor

[signal vault]

does this go over 3 for each ?

does it stay at 3 =1 or 4 = 1 then 5 = 1 then 6 = 1 until lvl 10 ?

[gaunt star]

1122334455

[signal vault]

wtf

[torpid yoke]

wa

[gaunt star]

So you want 30 proofs of mettle total

So 200m mettle total to get 10 stacks

600m if you wanna max all 3

[signal vault]

so the lvl 10 guy probably eat, sleep in Zadnor

[gaunt star]

Lmao prob

[torpid yoke]

eh it isnt that bad

[gaunt star]

Saw someone who had 2 completed relics yesterday

[kind lark]

Uh how long will it take to get 600m?

[torpid yoke]

just do a bunch of dalraida. 3 mil per clear

[next orbit]

200 Dalriada?

[signal vault]

you don't queue for Dalrida tho

[pine epoch]

Dalriada is 3 mil. CEs in zadnor give 500 thousand or more

[torpid yoke]

or do the 1v1's

[pine epoch]

210 thousand or more for skirmish

[gaunt star]

How much do you get from 1v1s

[grave raft]

3mil

[kind lark]

Zadnor is a cool looking zone so I don't blame people for staying

[torpid yoke]

lyon gives 3 mil memememem gives 3 mil and dabog i dont remember

[pine epoch]

2.6 million

[gaunt star]

Extended period of no boss(or boss not being targetable?) = Breaks it in fflogs

[torpid yoke]

lyon is 3.7 mil

[gaunt star]

Happens in e11s too. Annoying af

Im gonna go back into bsf and do the.smn cheese on the lyon and sauv duels 😏

[torpid yoke]

we have found xels character

[gaunt star]

Oh shit the duel mettle buff would be sexy too

[torpid yoke]

SURROND THEM

[signal vault]

i think i can finish in tmr

[gaunt star]

Nice

And same

Well I'll be done by the end of the day

[pine epoch]

After I grab lunch I'm finishing a relic today

[next orbit]

I can't do Diabolic Gate for the life of me

[pine epoch]

And if things go good. Probably 2 more as well

[gaunt star]

He dashes into a portal/colour. He will.come out of the other portal of the same colour, into a different coloured one

[next orbit]

I know how it works. But I can't do it in real time lol

[gaunt star]

Ah fair

I cant tell the angle properly for the last 2 so i fck it up

[next orbit]

I have difficulties with these kind of mechanics. I can't do Ruby's Ravensflight either.

[stoic spindle]

Is there a list somewhere of which item drops in which location in zadnor?

[marsh osprey]

best dungeon for relic grind?

[next orbit]

Hells Lid IIRC

[marsh osprey]

alright

[gaunt star]

For the 3 mat quests?

[viscid monolith]

I can check the Bozja discord

[next orbit]

I do Dalriada though I want Basch's

[stoic spindle]

yes, iv found a list of what raids drop it, but i want to do the items in zodnar

[viscid monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/766007590164365342/847620162098167878/unknown.png

[stoic spindle]

Im talking about the relic items, but thats actually super helpful too ty

[viscid monolith]

No problem

[lean skiff]

YoshiP mentioned that the process for subsequent relic weapons will differ after you've completed one, anyone know what the difference is?

[next orbit]

Skirmishes = Axle (South), Blue Book (West), Bleak(North)
CE = Springs (South), Green Book (West), Lurid (North)

[gaunt star]

^

[stoic spindle]

Ty so much

[next orbit]

You don't need to do the 30 30 30 30 30 30 anymore. You go straight to Dalriada, or 70 Dungeon or DR or HoH step from the second weapon onwards.

[lean skiff]

Right, so it's only the new stuff that differs. Damn, was kind of hoping it'd change preceding steps too lol

[next orbit]

Yeah sadly

[lean skiff]

Welps, I guess HW fates and POTD will forever be in season

[wet crown]

have to wait for 5.57 and/or 5.58 for the previous steps to be nerfed

[viscid monolith]

Don't do HW fates

[wet crown]

6.0 will then nerf the current Zadnor stuff

[stoic spindle]

Need the timesworn step to be nerfed to hell

[viscid monolith]

Just get a good cluster farm going in Southern Front

[gaunt star]

Im still confused why they havent nerfed the 5.3 step yet after they talked about it

[wet crown]

I don't think I will get past the mhach/ivalice step until it goes down to 5

[wet crown]

next two patches

[viscid monolith]

Supposedly they nerfed the Gyr Abania and Eastern fate grind

[gaunt star]

Man

[wet crown]

I doubt that.

[viscid monolith]

I didn't see it in the patch notes though

[stoic spindle]

is that the one with the memories?

[wet crown]

the 18/18 step

[gaunt star]

They nerfed it ages ago

[viscid monolith]

The 18 of each type

[stoic spindle]

Ya its nerfed

[viscid monolith]

I refuse to do any Alliance raid 18 times

[wet crown]

I do not believe you

[gaunt star]

They made the drop rates better in a hotfix (i think the same that buffed cll)

[stoic spindle]

Ya all i had to do was do fates

Pretty sure they dropped everytime

[gaunt star]

A week after the step dropped iirc...? I joined a blu fate party and got em in like 4hrs max

[wet crown]

I will not do fates on end until rng gives me 26 more memories

[viscid monolith]

Hell no. I did 10 fates yesterday and got 2

[stoic spindle]

Ok i must be thinking of a different step then oops

[wet crown]

no step has been nerfed, yet

[gaunt star]

._.

[wet crown]

and you're thinking of the 2nd step with the 20/20/20

[signal vault]

get a party

[stoic spindle]

2nd step i just grinded bozja cluster farms

[signal vault]

they just update Bozjan content, so you are bound to get some folks on Party Finder

he's at the 18/18 Alliance raid step

[viscid monolith]

I did. Still went slow

[signal vault]

which is fate RNG, not the 60 fates

ofc, it's around 150 fates for 36 crystal

next step is worse

[viscid monolith]

What step is that

[signal vault]

15 DR

[wet crown]

or RNG in palace

[signal vault]

then last step is another 7 DR

palace if after floor 100 for better drop rate

[stiff charm]

i did no fates

[signal vault]

how is your sanity

[stiff charm]

i have mostly recovered

but now i have to do timeworn artifacts section multiple times

[signal vault]

i did that step in like 8 hours

hope PF and hope

[wet crown]

ew, no

[tight current]

Man, seeing this, I really want a figurine of my WoL now

bright padjali spear included

[marsh osprey]

apparently i can do 22k dps on rdm

[pulsar current]

yeah i want those in my aprtment

[tight current]

My figurine would double as a lamp just from how bright the spear is

[gaunt star]

Did it do the one-hand-on-hip pose for everyone

[tight current]

well

[gaunt star]

Cuz i got that too

[tight current]

I think its just the default pose, so maybe?

[gaunt star]

Theres multiple default poses

[tight current]

SE about to sell us our WoLs, just with that hand on hip pose

anyways, I DC'd fighting lunar ifrit, and now the games making me redo the entire thing

i kinda wanna cry ngl

[stiff charm]

i wish it had done the job cpose but thats fine too

[lean skiff]

I wish completing one relic weapon let you skip straight to the raw emotions step for all other weapons

that would be swell

[gaunt star]

? Like skip EVERY other step?

Would kinda defeat the purpose

[gaunt star]

literally the step im on and i dont bother with it unless i get said raids in Alliance roulette xD

[signal vault]

how long is it to actually get an elemental armor in Eureka from 0 to 1

[gaunt star]

Also that would give a savage-equivalent too fast i think

0 to 1 you can get from just levelling 50-60

[signal vault]

that is called Ultimate

[woven escarp]

where's mah gaddamn minfilia statue yoshi-p

[regal lantern]

Anyone else recall how Hydaelyn has been steadily growing weak since 2.0? And the ascians never made any comments on it, ever. I doubt it’s even something they were aware of. Just aether thinning out, mentioned in post HW by Matoya.
A similar occurrence happened in Eureka did it not?

What if whatever is happening to Hydaelyn isn’t related to Zodiark but rather something else and it is that what the Sharlayans are aware of and telephoroi are linked to?

[chilly bluff]

Aether thinning was related to the impending Eighth Calamity, no?

[woven escarp]

it's been a problem for a while, but it's only gotten Real Bad around 5.0 and onward

[tight current]

look at this nerd, I bet he still has dried squid in his dragoon pockets

[wet crown]

why would they discuss it?

it doesn't change anything for them

[iron haven]

Are Raw Emotions, for the last relic step, guaranteed/how many in Dalriada, DR, lvl70 dungeons ?

[gaunt star]

3 from dalriada, 2 from delubrum reginae

[lean skiff]

What purpose would it defeat? I don't see the value of having to repeat a large grind for every weapon

[woven escarp]

also this, it's like, "we're already winning, why tell you about it"

[iron haven]

ok thanks, going the DR way then

[gaunt star]

thats the whole point of relic weapons. grind and you get rewarded with BIS for that expac and nice shiny weapons

[iron haven]

@lean skiff There's a shortened farm once you have one relic though. There are some non repeatable steps.

[lean skiff]

it being a grind that rewards you a shiny weapon is not in conflict with the grind being lesser after you've completed it once

[lean skiff]

I know, I just wish they'd gone further with it.

[gaunt star]

so you should get savage loot guaranteed everytime you clear savage?

[lean skiff]

yeah, why not? By the time the last step is released, savage has already been out for a long time, serious raiders have already geared up nicely anyway

[gaunt star]

i should've specified

[lean skiff]

I mean, I'm willing to admit skipping from first to last step is a little too much, but I don't see why the grind couldn't be drastically reduced for every subsequent weapon

[gaunt star]

u could just wait for them to nerf the steps so its less grind

like i cant really argue against your point but it also just makes me go "...why though"

[woven escarp]

they've been less inclined to nerf steps these days

like ARR relic got nerfed super hard, even through 3.x

[gaunt star]

i guess it also gives you something to do when there's content lull

[woven escarp]

but anima and eureka didn't really get many nerfs, if at all

I don't think they changed eureka at all actually?

[clever flume]

the steps themselves haven't been changed no for eureka

the echo buff for it though means you can very easily solo however

[woven escarp]

pazuzu feathers

[clever flume]

all of the final zone boss items can be exchanged with the appropriate tokens

so don't even have to fight them

[faint dagger]

oh nice i got dabog pt 2

[gaunt star]

something something why play a MMO if you dont wanna grind

[lean skiff]

I'm a lazy completionist, that's why 😂
I'll probably just wait and hope they nerf it, because there's no way I'm doing the timeworn artifact step as it currently stands 15 more times

[clever flume]

for anima tbh doesn't really need that much in the way of nerfs because once you complete 1, the next ones are easier as you can prefarm a lot of the materials

[crystal arrow]

that's your choice, personally I'm fine doing it a shitton of times and many others have as well. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lean skiff]

you honestly shouldn't be 😂

[gaunt star]

why

[crystal arrow]

The relics are meant to be time consuming and meant to be a grind, ffs we have a 6 month gap until the next expansion

[lean skiff]

that's like 9000 hours of delubrum

[gaunt star]

so?

[crystal arrow]

yes, and?

[faint dagger]

does anyone know what the cooldown on CEs are

[woven escarp]

9000 hours of anything

[gaunt star]

i wanna say 1hr but idk

[crystal arrow]

don't think there is one, just dependent on killing magitek units

[lean skiff]

what value does it add to the game? Like, you can say it's "meant" to be that way, but that's a terrible argument. Just because it's meant to be that way doesn't mean it should be that way

[faint dagger]

no, the same CE twice

[crystal arrow]

Oh, idk - i'd assume an hour

[crystal arrow]

It's... not a terrible argument at all, lol. relics have always been time consuming, alt paths to BiS weps for people who don't care about savage raiding. If you don't want to do it then don't do it, and go for the savage weps instead.

[open verge]

We complaining about relic grinds again

[faint dagger]

'god forbid me having to work to get bis on as many jobs as I like'

[lean skiff]

Yes, "it's always been that way" is always and forever a bad argument. Something having been a way for a long time does not inherently justify its continued existence

[gaunt star]

what value does locking savage loot to weekly add to the game
what value does making gear need-only on a specific class in dungeons/alliance raids add
what value does making mounts in EX trials RNG instead of a guaranteed drop 1st time u clear add

[crystal arrow]

"I want BiS HANDED to me. on a silver platter. with no work or time put in at all"

[faint dagger]

These weapons are BiS. They should be challenging to obtain, and for casual content, they are challenging. There is no argument

[open verge]

They went out of their way to make you skip steps on following relic steps stop being lazy

[gaunt star]

u could apply that logic to other areas of the game and it would make it boring as heck / remove the replayability

[lean skiff]

You guys are really good at strawmanning, lol. Why are you pretending I'm saying I should just get all relics for free?

[gaunt star]

they want people to keep playing the game thats why they make stuff weekly/grind and shiz

[crystal arrow]

and yeah like... the last relic steps are easy as shit, because DR gives 2 of the memories you need for the last step so in the time you farm the timeworns you have enough for two BiS relics

[grave raft]

i thought this was #rants for a moment

[woven escarp]

time invested

[faint dagger]

way to discredit arguments by crying strawman - this is the only logic required

[tight current]

huh, i kinda expected Zenos to pick reaper ngl

[crystal arrow]

why do people always default to crying strawman

[woven escarp]

my only complaint is that relics are needlessly grind focused long after the raid tier was relevant

[lean skiff]

If people keep saying you're making strawman arguments, that might be an indication you're making strawman arguments

[open verge]

[faint dagger]

No, it's just an indication the person saying it won't listen to reason. Next.

[open verge]

[woven escarp]

[faint dagger]

not entertaining this any more, believe what you want

[crystal arrow]

Nah, it's just an indication that you're not listening to the reasons because you think you're the only one right in the room, please get better material

[open verge]

I wonder how many items I’ll get done before my PLD is 80

[lean skiff]

How am I supposed to listen to your arguments when they're based on arguing with a point I never made? Like, you're asking me to defend a position I don't hold

[crystal arrow]

I got most of my items just from the initial grind to 25

[open verge]

Right here

[gaunt star]

why would they make something alternative to savage - the second hardest content in the game- easy as hell to get

[tight current]

to be fair, he did say "I'm a lazy completionist, that's why 😂"

[open verge]

Yea I have 2 30s already almost 3 will be 4 when I do all zones to 30

[gaunt star]

it doesnt matter if it came out months later. for e.g. if they made an equivalent to Ultimate and it only needed a little bit of grinding do you know how disrespectful that is

[lean skiff]

I specifically told you I wasn't asking for it to be easy. Yet I'm the one who doesn't listen

[crystal arrow]

relics aren't even hard to get - you just need to invest time equivalent to savage prog into them

[gaunt star]

grinding only 1 time as opposed to multiple times IS easy. what?

[open verge]

There is nothing hard about this relic step take it at your own pace lmao

[pulsar current]

Man we are getting a lot of wack people in here these past few days

[open verge]

It was the exact same last step

[woven escarp]

https://imgur.com/hdiScPe

[open verge]

OMG 18 RAIDS IS TOOO GRINDY. Then you do the step and it’s actually easy as shit

[crystal arrow]

saying it's too hard means that you want it to be easy, last I checked

[lean skiff]

I never said REMOVE the grind, I said keep the grind as it is, and then reduce it for subsequent weapons. Jesus christ, stop putting words in my mouth.

[open verge]

THEY DO

[tight current]

just turn your brain off when you do relics

[lean skiff]

Please, by all means, show me where I said it was too hard.

[crystal arrow]

legit all I did was 3 runs of each raid a day for a few days and then when I got tired of that did the fates

[open verge]

READ YOU LITERALLY SKIP STEPS AFTER THE FIRSR WEAPON JESUS

[gaunt star]

you want everything except the final step to be removed for later weapons. i dont think that can be called simply reducing

[crystal arrow]

the 180 step is a one time step

[gaunt star]

they already reduce it by having non-repeatable quests

[lean skiff]

I know, I already acknowledged that, I'm just saying I wish they had reduced it more

[open verge]

THEY ALREADY DO THAT SO WTF ARE YOU COMPLAINING ABOUT

[icy abyss]

Guys guys no fighting let's all relax yes?

[open verge]

god your so lazy lmfaooo

[gaunt star]

theyre already gonna nerf it in... 6.0? idk when they nerf stuff

[open verge]

I’m done

[gaunt star]

not this fate going from 0% to completed in 2 seconds, wtf

[crystal arrow]

there's absolutely no reason to, you need to put a minimum amt of brainpower and effort into farming the items, it's really not hard

you sure weren't lying when you said you were a lazy completionist

anyways, moving on

[lean skiff]

I've already completed 1 weapon and am halfway through 2 others, and I'm saying "I wish they would reduce the 2nd time grind more".
Then you guys start screaming about how I'm lazy, that I'm saying it should be easy and that it's too hard, and you claim I say we should only need to grind one time and then get the rest of the weapons for free.
Then when I call you out on straw manning my position, you say I'm just not listening.

Honestly, I don't get it.

[kind lark]

The northen one?

[gaunt star]

also these weapons are gonna be bis until like what, level 85?

[clever flume]

mhm

[distant sonnet]

I kinda wish they'd just make the Timeworn step possible with poetics. 150-300 per timeworn thinger. But ah well

[faint dagger]

because this is essentially what you're saying. consecutive relics are no effort at all. to make it any less would amount to free.

[lean skiff]

Yeah, that's the step I mainly want reduced too

[distant sonnet]

HW was peak relic grind.

[pulsar current]

HW relics can eat my ass

[lean skiff]

That's just not true. The timeworn step is still a big grind, which is my main gripe

[faint dagger]

if you feel obliged to do it in a day, sure

[pulsar current]

Doesn’t that give 2 now?

[gaunt star]

no

[faint dagger]

but delubrum is brainless content

[pulsar current]

Kk

[woven escarp]

honestly, I'm OK with making it free because I am even more lazy than he is

[icy abyss]

But that sweet sweet pld relic is worth the pain

[faint dagger]

delubrum gives 2 raw emotions

[open verge]

Ok so what do people mean when they say you DR gives two items in last step? How many runs does that make it?

[pulsar current]

Ah

[distant sonnet]

Fact remains that the Timeworn step is twice as bad as even the last step. Its a lot of DR to ask people to do, especially since the mettle reward is also kinda ass compared to anything in the new zone.

[open verge]

How many raw emotions you need? @faint dagger

[crystal arrow]

you need 15, so doing 15 DR runs gets you enough for 2 bis weapons

[open verge]

That’s sick I’ll get my ninja at the same step

[distant sonnet]

One weapon per 15, past the first set of 15.

I understand that the final step gives you twice as many things, but as you need to do the prior step first regardless, that isn't how it actually works.

[lean skiff]

I'd need to do like 150 hours of delubrum to get the rest of the weapons. All I want is that they reduce that amount in some later patch, once Savage progging is basically over

Could wait to 6.0

[gaunt star]

they're nerfing the steps soon yes

but you asked to skip directly to the last step for other relics lol, thats just...

[distant sonnet]

They never nerfed Eureka steps, so this isn't set in stone at all.

[gaunt star]

yoshi p talked about it in PLL

[crystal arrow]

Yes, I know. That's what I meant.

[lean skiff]

as I said, that was an exaggeration, I wasn't being serious

[gaunt star]

im just saying what you said /shrug

[lean skiff]

Yeah, I know. I'm just saying that I pointed out that I wasn't being serious. I'm thinking more along the lines of how ARR relics were nerfed in HW

I think the initial grind was pretty much perfect though. Not terrible like original ARR, and not too short either. It's been a decent amount of work

[stable island]

SB relics weren't 100% nerfed at all, the final step still requires the same materials from one specific fate in Eureka Hydatos without an option to buy it.

Only the 50% echo makes it slightly easier.

[wet crown]

Eureka got easier when they added the echo

[lean skiff]

Kind of disappointing that I find both SB and ShB final relics pretty ugly

[crystal arrow]

I doubt the nerfs to resistance weps will be anymore than either increasing the drop chance of early memories or increasing the # you get

[distant sonnet]

Good luck soloing PW even with an echo, though.

[stable island]

Well, if no one spawns the Crystal Dragon fate, you are SOL if you can't spawn it yourself.

[lean skiff]

Eh, good enough for me

[distant sonnet]

Now admittedly.. this is mostly a non issue cause theres always someone in there.

And because its needed its one of the few fates people still actively make groups to spawn

[stable island]

Been solo there quite often nowadays.

[wet crown]

Bozjan relics started out well but got progressively worse because the better farming option was to play outside of it and may or may not subject yourself to RNG

[viscid monolith]

There was one step completely outside Bozja. Surprise surprise it's the worst step.

[wet crown]

the 5.45 steps are just insulting in that regard

[distant sonnet]

See this last step is kinda perfect imo. The 30*6 grind wasn't bad in Bozja, lots of options on the final step..

[viscid monolith]

I just don't get how they fucked this step up

[distant sonnet]

This step is great. The timeworn step is just horrendous for no reason.

[wet crown]

at least they did reflect on it, as they said

[lean skiff]

Yeah, that's a major problem I had too. I get the wish to keep old content alive, but that shouldn't come at the cost of current and new contents viability

[distant sonnet]

Then.. why delay a fix? The intent was obvious because the current step was implemented better.

[signal vault]

timeworn is awful because is basically 15 praetorium but no cutscene and more mechanic

[wet crown]

Honestly, I want the tomestone grind from HW back

[viscid monolith]

I don't say something is easy often, but this was super easy to not fuck up. Put one option in Bozja, and one outside. Don't fucking put both options outside.

[wet crown]

at least anima weapons allowed me to passively gain a weapon however way I played content

[lean skiff]

Yeah, I actually enjoyed the Zadnor grind. Accumulating honors alongside the grind felt kinda nice, like I was always progressing and getting multiple things out of my time.

[distant sonnet]

I'd love options. Tomes, or run various content for one.

[viscid monolith]

I gain nothing from farming fates in the Lochs and Yanxia for 20 hours

[distant sonnet]

Tomes being worthless makes playing shitty. In HW basically anything I did was worthwhile because it built towards something.

[viscid monolith]

I gain nothing running Void Ark or Rabanastre 18 times each.

[distant sonnet]

But the uncapped current expac tomes just lack any value outside of get some for pots sometimes I guess.

[next quarry]

Aren't they always like that at the end of an expansion

[wet crown]

not in HW

gosh, I'm like a XIV boomer at this point

[crystal arrow]

don't understand why people still complain about the 18/18 step when it's a one time thing

[next quarry]

Farming fates was relaxing

[crystal arrow]

it really was, honestly

[wet crown]

I don't want to play the same stuff so many times in a row

[lean skiff]

I liked the 18/18 step, but I'm glad I don't have to do it again

Same thing with the Zadnor step. If they just nerfed the timeworn step the same way they did the loathsome step, then I think the total grind will be in a pretty good spot for subsequent weapons

[next quarry]

I'm trying to avoid looking up optimal ways to farm for the relic

Since I wanna experience things my own way

[viscid monolith]

Because it'a not compelling

[next quarry]

Which is just doing bozja since lost actions are so funnnn

[lean skiff]

5 timeworn artifacts per delubrum regina after patch 5.57 or something, that's all I ask

[next quarry]

Then less people would do DR

DR is already nerfed with the new lost actions

[viscid monolith]

They're just funneling people into old zones and old Alliance Raids. The number of mats needed is bloated.

[lean skiff]

You'd still need 3 DR for that step, and the last step still needs DR too. It wouldn't die completely

It would also mean people would always choose DR over POTD for timeworn artifact step

[prisma vine]

question, what's the fastest way to actually do 5 DR? because its taking nearly an hour per DR and that's. really frustrating lol

[next quarry]

They wanna give people a choice, not make one option obviously better

It's not an hour per DR, especially with a decent group

[crystal arrow]

get people to use damage essences

[next quarry]

Can get as low as 25-30 min

[prisma vine]

right now, DR is OBVIOUSLY better for timeworn. you say it's not an hour, but i can only get myself to use essences, can't force the other 23 people. Last run took nearly 50 mins if I timed it right.

[lean skiff]

I actually did the majority of my timeworn through POTD

[crystal arrow]

just do a /sh and tell people to put them on

[next quarry]

Then it's just had luck, use shout chat to remind people

[gaunt star]

to be honest the nerfs to eureka really annoy me.know everyone is running around with exact same tank and dragoon glam of glowing eureka armor.something that was originaly rare and you had to put effort it to get

[prisma vine]

sure it CAN BE as low as 25 mins but my shortest has been maybe 40 mins. Multiply by 15. I did potd for hours and hours and got none, vs a 100% shot from DR

[next quarry]

PoTD apparently gives higher chance at later floors

[gaunt star]

dr can be done in 19 mins

[next quarry]

Making it better with a preformed group

[grave raft]

15-20mins if pure essences in all party and all of those lost op buffs

[lean skiff]

Doing 51-100 POTD with a drop chance every 10ish minutes felt incredibly much better than being stuck for the next 40 minutes with the knowledge that I will only get 1

Probably took more time in total, but it was so much more bearable

[lone glade]

150+ is almost 100% but it takes you the same amount if hours to be just about done rather than getting 20% per 10 floors. PoTD was buttcheeks for Artifacts

DR is better imo, plus I want the mount and hair still

[gaunt star]

u dont need dr to get the hair anymore

[grave raft]

DR has mettle though, well not bigger than most of the CEs in 3rd zone of zadnor.

[lone glade]

Yea but I need 6 more relics and im not even 25 to do that new raid. Im getting close to 500k mettle so its way worth it for me atm

[gaunt star]

zadnor fates die super fast.you level up so fast there

even the npcs do half the damage for you in the new fates and start killing them for you

[crystal arrow]

that's about as much as a zadnor CE, it's better to level there

[lone glade]

Im rank 18 and got gold CE and got not even 200k mettle there. The fates are nice but I want to finish my relic step before going to Zadnor

[gaunt star]

btw new dungeon in zadnor gives you like 5 -6 mil mettle for clear

[regal lantern]

So the moon isn't perma red? :/

[prisma vine]

ikr, i was disappointed

[lone glade]

Which dungeon? The 24 man ship? If so I heard you need to be max rank and that would put the mettle amount to naught

[regal lantern]

Can Fandaniel do anything right? What a moron!

[wet crown]

...no it doesn't

[grave raft]

it gives you 3.something million

[kind lark]

No cheeto moon, rip.

[gaunt star]

no at max level it gives you more

[wet crown]

you exchange mettle for proof after you finish the story

[crystal arrow]

... no? it's definitely worth doing given the honors.

[wet crown]

20 mil mettle gives you 3 proof, depening on the level, you can increase your stats for Bozja content permanently

[lone glade]

I glanced over that in the notes, SE usually makes you kill yourself in these zones so I didnt really pay attention >-> but im rather enjoying over the dread that is what's called Eureka

[grave raft]

you need 200m mettle for 10 ranks of honors, so that's the endgame grind i guess

[crystal arrow]

Including DR, too

[gaunt star]

zadnor is faceroll.you can get to max level there in about 4-5 hours

[wet crown]

that's Bozjan content, yes

each level of valor gives you flat 5% dmg increase

[gaunt star]

i think they realised after dr and castrum the skill ceiling of a lot of players and made it as easy as possible

[wet crown]

that's just so damn sick

[crystal arrow]

I'm up to +15% dmg and I certainly can feel it

[gaunt star]

im gona give my warrior max damage.then go for an irregular run

[lone glade]

That'll make DR Savage a bit faster i would imagine

[warped hull]

I saw the red thing above the moon and was like “Wait is that Dalamud?”

[regal lantern]

Wdym when

[warped hull]

The red Royal Guard buff above the moon

1.0 PTSD intensifies

[regal lantern]

Ah fuck

[open verge]

Got the hairstyle

Can’t wear because I play viera

[lone glade]

Which one

[open verge]

Zadnor

[dim sigil]

Are we the ones who actually had to write those books in canon for The Relic thing

[lone glade]

Ah the Both ways one? It really looked like they didn't take the time to finish or work on it, I dont like how it looks. As for the relic books I dunno, maybe our journey and progress was written down for it

[crystal arrow]

It's a design contest hairstyle that they added, so..

[dim sigil]

The way they talk and our response makes it sound like we are the one who wrote All 60 of them sounds like a pain

[lone glade]

Ah that's probably why. It's meh, I want more longer hair options but people complain about clipping.

[severe brook]

personally, i think Anima being the Dreamer one way or another feels most likely, so Anima would be connected to Garlemald and thus separate from the Magus Sisters @pine epoch

[pine epoch]

I think you misread what I said

[signal vault]

Me keep thinking u guys talk about anima weapon

[dim sigil]

Anima is no doubt related but it's more the question of who is anima because I'm pretty sure it's going to be an actual character not just a monster

[polar mortar]

So that final Bozja boss was dope...

[severe brook]

guesses i have seen:

• Anima is Zenos
• Anima is Zenos' mom
• Anima is Varis' corpse
• Anima is a Primal of Garlemald

some of these could overlap

[kind lark]

Is it confirmed Varis is dead?

[wet crown]

he died on-screen

I'm pretty sure Zenos would make sure to actually kill his targets, when he wants them dead

[dim sigil]

The town of fan Daniels voice with the dreaamer and xenos response almost makes me feel like they're talking about zenos himself though

And as we have already seen xenos has a tendency for dreams

[wet crown]

like any living being ever?

[severe brook]

yeah, i am not entirely against zenos referring to himself as the dreamer in the third person just for that time

[dim sigil]

Yes but he was dreaming of the final days and he was like that dream again

[severe brook]

and yeah he might be channeling his endless dream of the Final Days

[viscid monolith]

Lyon checked the other languages. It's not Zenos.

[severe brook]

ah cool

it could just as well be that they have Varis' body serving as Anima, and are funneling Zenos' dreams and a fervor to Garlemald through it to serve as the basis for the Towers

[dim sigil]

Gateway of the Gods it's just a buzzword currently but I'm sure it's going to mean something important

[kind lark]

Just saying, death in ffxiv is tricky

[severe brook]

after all, we did just get confirmation the towers pull in aether from their surroundings to work, so if the Dreamer is the core of the Towers then it'd be able to gather aether together for Zingus and Funky Dan, as they said

[maiden lodge]

One thing with the relics

They do NOT look the same in previews as they do in the wild

Previews don't include the bloom effect. There's hellllllllla bloom

[kind lark]

I wish I could remove gems

[stiff charm]

i like bloom

[drowsy belfry]

Guys I genuinely think "dreamer" has nothing to do with his dreams of the Final Days

It literally just seems surface level "Haha funni Jester" and "I am bored god and enable jester"

Zenos wants to fight the Warrior of Light, Fandaniel literally goes "Yeah sorry it's gonna take a bit hope you don't mind lmao" "lmao okay"

I dunno where this whole idea that "The Dreamer" is some unknown entity comes from

[severe brook]

...the fact that they referred repeatedly to a Dreamer, and then we got an Anima-esque monstrous roar right after?

[drowsy belfry]

There's two mentions of a Dreamer "Lmao hope the Dreamer don't mind" "He don't" it's surface level theatrics, Zenos is just humoring him by speaking in the 3rd Person

[severe brook]

which would be fitting if Fandaniel went off to poke Anima with a stick or something to get it suck up more aether or what have you

[drowsy belfry]

I mean was Anima known as the Dreamer in other games?

[severe brook]

apparently the other languages don't have ambiguity like that, though i only just found that out

[severe brook]

Anima is an Aeon in X, sustained by the Dreams of the Fayth

which is her only other appearance

[drowsy belfry]

Okay then I can kinda see it sure

I still think it's surface level "hihi funni man" shit from Fandaniel but I'll gladly be proven wrong

Tho that does remind me, where the fuck did the Imperial twins go

[severe brook]

found lyon's discussion:
#retired-patch-6-3-discussion message

[drowsy belfry]

They got turned into Anima didn't they

[severe brook]

other languages don't have the ambiguity about Zenos and the Dreamer that English does

[gaunt star]

imperial twins?

[drowsy belfry]

Oh, okay no then it's probably Anima yeah

I stand corrected

[severe brook]

the red and blue twins, varis' bodyguards

last we saw of them, Gaius basically went "I don't have time for this," and he and Estinien breezed past them

[gaunt star]

ah those

probably tempered if not killed

[distant sonnet]

So.. listened to the roar with Zenos and every noise Anima makes..

Not the same roar. Not even close.

[severe brook]

ah, i hadn't heard FFX-anima in a while
of course, nothing saying that it's not XIV-Anima's roar anyway

but it could feasibly be whatever else

[gaunt star]

[distant sonnet]

Fair, but.. if it was specifically to be "Hey its Anima" its a pretty poorly laid out reference.

[crystal arrow]

[kind lark]

The last boss in will be Lyon who swoops in on a Dawon the youngerer to fight us

[stiff charm]

dawon the youngest eats zodiark

[severe brook]

Lyon's going to use the Axe Trigger Weapon to merge with Dawon the Elder

[distant sonnet]

Someone said Bozja notes gave hints at a new trial series in the other chat, got referred to go here with them, and never came here or said. Alas.

[drowsy belfry]

Oh yeah, that Gunlance in the files just kinda goes unused so far huh?

[severe brook]

then he'll be in 7.X with Dawon the Eldest

[distant sonnet]

I was intrigued.

[severe brook]

wait what Gunlance

[stiff charm]

oh shit yeah it wasnt menenius duel was it

[drowsy belfry]

There's like a Gunlance that we thought was going to be Save the King or something

[distant sonnet]

Menenius had it in his duel I thought?

[severe brook]

that might have been referring to how the Diablo Armament's field record mentions other weapons like it might still be buried under Zadnor

[stiff charm]

nope his is black and not as fancy

[distant sonnet]

Hmm

[distant sonnet]

Mmmaybe.

[crystal arrow]

we see it in the end cutscene of stq, y'all

[stiff charm]

oh yeah i forgot

[severe brook]

"The Scathach Armament"

[distant sonnet]

You mean like.. the Diamond Axe?

[crystal arrow]

it's one of the relics that sicinius shows off to gabranth at the end

[stiff charm]

it was one of the weapons uhhh sicinius(?) was holding

[severe brook]

is it just the other trigger weapon besides the axe? that one looked more like a sword, i felt

[distant sonnet]

Ancient Bozja was raiding Kefka it looks like.

[stiff charm]

nah it had a long hilt

[severe brook]

yeeah it's sicinius

[stiff charm]

i need that for drk or drg immediately

~~third party tools? ~~

[drowsy belfry]

It's being used in a First PArty way

[severe brook]

my personal guess is that Gabranth (Wait, he isn't dead! Noah surprise!) and Lyon will end up using those trigger weapons for something in 6.X, given they line up with the types of weapons they already use.

[crystal arrow]

Unless gabranth dies before that

[stiff charm]

lyon might drop the shield tbh

[drowsy belfry]

I mean Save the King should exist no?

Maybe we'll make it

[crystal arrow]

... I mean, should? no

[stiff charm]

whos the king

[drowsy belfry]

Actually no we shouldn't make a Trigger weapon

[crystal arrow]

there's no king of bozja so that wouldn't rly make sense

[stiff charm]

we should, using record from the diablo armament. call it..

devil trigger

[drowsy belfry]

Bang bang

[pulsar current]

so wait were the bozjas a bunch of simps?

[drowsy belfry]

Yes, Horthgar clans are Simps and Lost Simps

[severe brook]

Cuchulainn: "Trigger Weapons are good actually."

[maiden lodge]

The existance of a Save the Queen implies the existance of an Endanger the Queen and that's the weapon I want

[drowsy belfry]

CUCHLAINN ARNAMENT

[stiff charm]

so, ones who have live wives and ones who have dead wives

[stiff charm]

thats just the entire allagan empire

[distant sonnet]

Diablo goooo.

[severe brook]

there's something funny to me how Shemhazai is the one who resurrects zombies, meanwhile Zalera still hasn't shown up

[maiden lodge]

I still want one

[severe brook]

i was looking up Diablo lore the other day and

Rashidi used the power of the Black Diamond to summon Diablo at the temple but the Xenobian Rebellion defeated Diablo before he could fully manifest his power.

The Black Diamond is the thirteenth stone of the zodiac. It contains the essence of the thirteenth disciple, Duruda, which rivals the power of the other twelve zodiac stones. It was given to Rashidi by the angel Mizal. Rashidi used it to sign a contract with the demon Galf and resurrect the dark god Diablo.

sounds a bit familiar huh

[distant sonnet]

Riiiight? Good, good stuff.

[severe brook]

BIG FAT TACOS 2

[drowsy belfry]

God, there's a good chance that some plans for a Cloud of Darkness Arnament was made at some point

[distant sonnet]

Still think the Serpentarius Auracite will be a plot point in Dalmasca, by the end.

[drowsy belfry]

"Hey Xande's hanging with the High Rung, let's fucking make a mecha"

Zalera when

[severe brook]

honestly there is something twistedly genius about using biomechanical superweapons as voidsent vessels.

[distant sonnet]

Its.. very big brain, for sure.

[drowsy belfry]

I'm very curious how the Diablo one managed to get some of Diablos actual DNA in it

[stiff charm]

i mean, they did it for primals, why not for voidsent

[distant sonnet]

But okay. Was that actual ass Diabolos in there just now, you reckon?

[maiden lodge]

No

[stiff charm]

...wait

seraphim armament when using a sin eater

[drowsy belfry]

Oh no he can't, Diablos shows up way before

[maiden lodge]

Because if he were, he wouldn't be able to be in Mhach and Amdapor

[severe brook]

I think it was Diabolos only as much as Ruby Weapon was Eula

[distant sonnet]

Unless he was freshly summoned. They were getting the armament ready, and the IVth has voidsent summoners

[severe brook]

"So I decided to summon the Dark Lord Enuo into the Diamond Weapon" — Worst timeline Valens, probably

[stiff charm]

im gonna put forgiven obscenity in an unfinished allagan weapon brb

[severe brook]

THE INNOCENT ARMAMENT

[maiden lodge]

It's not hard to figure out why Diabolos isn't in the DA. The DA was an Allagan relic--it's older than the Fifth Astral Era. if Diabolos were in the DA, he couldn't also be masterminding his shinanegans in the Fifth Astral Era, getting captured by the Amdapori, sealed in Amdapor, and then freed by us in the Seventh Astral Era. So no, it can't be him

[drowsy belfry]

Also that reminds me, with us not knowing about any potential extra primal trials. I kinda hope Anima sticks around for a chunk of 6.0 as an actual threat

[stiff charm]

nah, seraphim armament is cooler

wait thats plural, itd be seraph armament

[drowsy belfry]

And not just "Ah Warrior of Light, welcome to Garlemald. Anyway here's Anima"

[severe brook]

...The Loving Armament, just shove any Lightwarden in there

[stiff charm]

no ill grab ysayle out of the lifestream for that one

[kind lark]

It makes me wonder what the allagans had to counter these weapons, what stopped this thing just flying to the capital and turning everyone into fine swiss cheese

[next quarry]

what if zenos uses the WoL to fight anima so he can use weakened anima as a avatar

[maiden lodge]

They neurolinked the F out of it

[severe brook]

my guess is Anima will be revealed to be the core powerhouse for the Towers, being the source of Lunar Aether and the Garlean Tempering they use, so she could feasibly be the big threat for the whole first part of 6.0

[distant sonnet]

Unless he was summoned into it again post HW 24 man. Like when the 4th legion, who summon other voidsent to fight us, was prepping the armament the whole time they were there.

[drowsy belfry]

Oooooh I'd like that

[severe brook]

maybe with us getting a glimpse of what she really does in Thavnair, with the Tower of Zot

[maiden lodge]

I... guess?

[stiff charm]

anima could be.. anima
like anima weapon type anima
the little fairy dudes are just chunks of its aether or something that broke off idk

i have not finished my anima weapon or done eureka so there is about an 80% chance i just said something that makes 0 sense

[distant sonnet]

"Hey we captured this little shit on the way back from Eorzea, says he made a living weapon once. So we had him make my scythe. Pretty cool, huh? It roars when its hungry."

[severe brook]

feasibly, though the utter lack of control that Menenius had over the Armament leads me to think they didn't have that good an understanding of its inner workings beyond the basics

[kind lark]

I want a pet scythe now

[severe brook]

"It says please insert Demon. It's probably fine without a demon in it."

[distant sonnet]

I mean.. I don't think its Diabolos because it says its using spectral data, which gets corrupted and then it starts reeing out at the end of the fight. But I had the discussion with someone else and couldn't come up with a solid counter to his what if. Heh

[stiff charm]

zenos gunscythe as a housing item when you complete the quest "endwalker". please look forward to it

[kind lark]

Does it come with a free Zenos?

[stiff charm]

no we killed him

[severe brook]

okay, a thought came to mind. What if it organic components were originally just grown from samples of Diabolos, but after his death in Dun Scaith whatever was left of him anchored on to the only intact parts of his body it could find, that being the Armament
which would be why the Armament never went berserk in all the millenia it was stuck underground

[iron haven]

Fastest way to 15 raw emotions ?

[distant sonnet]

Ehh. Null-Stone should have yoten him straight back to the void, but possibly

[severe brook]

the null-stone as used should've just killed him

[mighty light]

Yeah

That's what we're told it does in the actual alliance raids

[distant sonnet]

Lorebook contradicts that unfortunately, saying that the Null-Stone just dissolves the contract a voidsent has to reach this plane. It effectively auto-banishes them back to the void, not permakills.

[mighty light]

The EE is written by Eorzean scholars
It's not definitive canon

[distant sonnet]

Yyyyeah but it came out afterwards. I dunno.

[mighty light]

And we have in-game information from somebody who was actually alive in Mhach when it was being used that contradicts that

[distant sonnet]

And Diabolos himself, yes.

They use words like "obliterate" in game. And yet.

[mighty light]

So like
Unless we get more in-game information on it later I'm gonna assume it destroys them

[severe brook]

nothing saying it can't do both, just as different expressions of manipulating a bound Voidsent's tether to the Source

[drowsy belfry]

DA

3 per Dalriada clear, 5 clears cna be done in a few hours

[severe brook]

that would let it be able to both Banish or Permakill a Voidsent at the wielder's behest

[drowsy belfry]

I did like 8 yesterday, got two weapons on the same day

[distant sonnet]

8 DRs is theoretically faster.. but also awful.

So, so awful.

[iron haven]

I did one DR to start and I forgot how long and painful that was

[drowsy belfry]

Really? I figured DA would be faster cause it's shorter

[distant sonnet]

Yeah but longer waits between

[severe brook]

personally though, i think the Armament isn't actually Diabolos, but is basically a recreation of him that thinks it should be real and isn't. which we have precedent for with Ruby's Oversoul

[iron haven]

DA can be, gonna try to find some

[distant sonnet]

Personally doing swallows compass on repeat to try for a hat I want, then goin back to DA.

[mighty light]

Yeah I'm there too, Blitz

[iron haven]

but hopping instances to find one is also painful

What would be the fastest lvl70 dungeon though ?

Perhaps that could work better

[faint dagger]

hell's lid

[iron haven]

ty

[stiff charm]

😳 koji i dont think people are gonna use that title for what you think

[pulsar current]

wdym

[wet mountain]

The burn or hells lid with blue mages

[pulsar current]

you gotta be on the same class you started that step as

[wet mountain]

Blue mage content !!

No u don't

[pulsar current]

for raw emotions?

[wet mountain]

Ya

[distant sonnet]

The burn.. i dunno. Last boss feels like it'd waste a ton of time.

[pulsar current]

that bitch!

argh info is rough to get this early in the patch

[mighty light]

Mist Dragon could be either very fast or very slow depending on who you get grouped w/

[wet mountain]

I finished two already

[distant sonnet]

It has those delay of game phases

[lone glade]

I can speak again

[stiff charm]

people "taming lyon" isnt very wholesome now is it

[pulsar current]

we have literally had the domintrix title in this game for 7 years

[stiff charm]

yes ok i know

[pulsar current]

honestly i like lyon a lot, keeps calling out how shit the empire is at every turn

10/10 can't wait to see him again

[stiff charm]

he is very fun

[lone glade]

They spelled it different too, its missing a letter. Domintrix

[pulsar current]

cool use of the ifirt axe and titan shield

[stiff charm]

yeah i think its not supposed to be lewd but thats how people use it lol

[lone glade]

Its spelled Domitrix, think it means something else, dunno

[pulsar current]

i mean i cant spell for shit

[stiff charm]

just bozjan earrings things

[pulsar current]

is that better or the same as menphina earrings?

[gaunt star]

😩

if u want haste, bozja better
if u just want xp boost, menphina earrings better

bozja is 10%, menphina is 30%

[stiff charm]

its 10% from 71-80 so basically only useful in stq areas

menphina is from 1-80 so way better

[pulsar current]

ohhh ok

[pulsar current]

thats not accurate

he doesnt have a picture of his kids

[deft burrow]

LOL

[kind lark]

what kids? he doesn't have kids

[stiff charm]

our kids

[iron scaffold]

This is how its going down in END
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYJY20zPtqo

[deft burrow]

yep

[spiral wagon]

What kids?

[pulsar current]

as sahr said, "our kids"

[spiral wagon]

Ah yes our love and joys.

[iron scaffold]

I find it strange that he himself travel to Eorzea

just to disown his kids

[spiral wagon]

Its all about that 4-D chess move

[spiral wagon]

Watch he had an extra ulterior motive while there similar to that old fart who gave you Astrologian

[bold condor]

and the worst part is Ishikawa will make you love it

[spiral wagon]

[heady shadow]

thats the big thing, he didnt need to at all.

[spiral wagon]

Inb4 him or somebody in the forum hes close with has the echo/ascian that can seethe future

Similar but more powerfulthat mikoto

[iron scaffold]

Did he do that to trigger the Scions and prompt them to come to Sharalayan

[spiral wagon]

i havent finished zadnor nobody say shit!!!

[spiral wagon]

Most likely

[mighty light]

Pretty sure he wanted his kids to come home
He doesn't start to go off on them until it becomes clear they're not going to

[heady shadow]

I think that is the point of the scene.
its written so well even the player got emotionally charged for him disowning the twins instead of looking into why he was there to begin with.

it was already set up that it was weird that He of all people would show up at all.

[mighty light]

I mean
I don't think there's a deeper reason for him specifically showing up
He knew his kids were part of the Scions and he wanted them to come home
I do think there's a deeper reason to Sharlayan choosing not to get involved, but

[gaunt star]

How do you evade the very last attack done by diabolos?

Where it counts down and stuff

[odd yoke]

Stop moving

[stiff charm]

stop moving when it hits 0

[odd yoke]

It's literally like any other acceleration bomb mechanic

[gaunt star]

Oh

What about the aoes then

[spiral wagon]

There is the cinematic with graha in the library

[odd yoke]

Stand where the 3 one spawns, move into the first one when it spawns

Like any other periodically spawning aoe

[gaunt star]

About the aoe that repeats in different directions. How do you figure where to go

Like the boss dashed around that one

[odd yoke]

The gates? Look at what it's shooting into

If it shots into butterfly then it comes out of butterfly

Then it's just a chain reaction

[deft burrow]

Ya

[gaunt star]

Oh ok

[spiral wagon]

I want an in game chess with the models of each character like battlefront cinematic during 5.55

[deft burrow]

Its the new game coming to gold saucer

We are getting a hint to the saucer update

Watch all of Sharlayan be tempered by Anima or some primal that makes them be pacifist

[severe brook]

honestly him doing it personally may lend credence to your modification of my cagnazzo theory
that cagnazzo has a knife in Fourchenault's back, so to speak, instead of just possessing him

[iron scaffold]

that or fanny comes in to use whatever they're doing underground to speed up his plan.

[severe brook]

because then him going to disown the kids personally lets him get away from Cagnazzo or whatever else is going on at Sharlayan

[spiral wagon]

Cagnawho?

[severe brook]

Archfiend of Water

i have a running prediction that the Four Archfiends will show up in either the 6.0 MSQ or the 6.X Trial Series
https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Cagnazzo

[severe brook]

and in FF4, Cagnazzo's whole thing was killing and impersonating a main character's father figure so as to manipulate the nation he led into becoming a destructive force

[mighty light]

Yep, I've seen the trailer too

[deft burrow]

Sounds familiar

Except opposite of destructive

[severe brook]

also cagnazzo, upon death, unleashed a parting shot that resulted in two magic-wielding twins petrifying themselves to keep him from bringing down the underground chamber the party'd fought him in
and sharlayan's built on top of caverns by the sea
so you know, no worries there

[heady shadow]

plus doing this in front of a City State leader instead of just being somewhere else is also another thing

[stiff charm]

what villain wiki article is that

[severe brook]

judging by the artifacts around the bottom words, i think the length of the list is edited

[fast warren]

It was posted in the Spongebob reddit but that is as far back as I can remember

...about Mr Krabs

[heady shadow]

so yeah, I'm not wuick to jump on the hate wagon just because their dad disowned them.

look at Graha, he doesnt seem to have been so shocked.

[fast warren]

People have been saying that he disowned them specifically so they can keep doing what they're doing right now to prevent the End Days, and he doesn't have to try and get them to stop as per Sharlayan's non-interventionalist policies, considering once they're disowned they're probably not considered Sharlayan anymore

[distant sonnet]

Keeps them out of danger and also hypothetically keeps them from being used as political pawns against him. Can't threaten him with harm against children he disowned.

Especially with Sharlayan's established willingness to just send out assassins for shit sometimes.

[heady shadow]

yeah so if you look between the lines this actually helps them, especially since this was done in front of as City State leadership and such can be verified.

||i mean it seemed like he tried really hard toi hide that he didnt want to say the words anyway||

[gloomy shale]

After seeing some of these relics in game they aren't as bad as I thought

[fast warren]

So as it turns out outrage spawned on reddit and discord without seeing the full picture is overblown? I'm shocked, I say. Absolutely shocked.

[gloomy shale]

the colors pop more in game

[heady shadow]

As usual yes it's overblown, in my opinion anyway

[misty yoke]

Full picture?

[bold condor]

This feels like a meme intended to be about Emet-Selch.

[heady shadow]

but that should go to show how good the writing is is it not?

[fast warren]

This playerbase would complain about logging in and being given a 535 weapon for doing a single roulette because it has a stray pixel, if given the chance

I find it funny that people are so positive about the Anima weapons these days, back when they released everybody was calling them shit and the worst relics in the game, and that Zeta was so much better

[pine epoch]

That's the playerbase in a nutshell

Hate the new. The old becomes nostalgic. People praise the nostalgic saying how good it was. Hate the new

[heady shadow]

Hmm whats the syaing.. standing on the shoulders of giants? xD

[pine epoch]

After eden tier 2. I found a lot more people praising omega raids

Back during omega people hated the fights. Except a small handful. And now everyone praises the entire raid series except o1 and o6

Well not everyone. Hyperbole and stuff

[forest magnet]

O10 is the worst savage fight ever concieved

[pine epoch]

From what my friends who have done e8s has done. They say that is the worst savage fight ever conceived

[fast warren]

It's not even the worst fight in it's tier, lol

[forest magnet]

E6s is jank

E7S is easy

[pine epoch]

My friends say e7s is the best fight of the raid tier of eden verse.

Best subjective

And I believe it was more of a consistency thing. How the fight is mostly not jank

[forest magnet]

E11S is one of my favorite fights of the raid series

[heady shadow]

then you got people who notice that nearly every 8 man raid series mostly used the same mechanics only shinier and a little different

[pine epoch]

This one friend of mine says out of all 12 eden fights. E4s is the best designed one.

[fast warren]

Proteans!

[spiral wagon]

R/shitpostffxiv???

[forest magnet]

Then you have people who notice that the sides/in mechanic is used like 5 times in Paradigm

[maiden lodge]

So did testing on chainwatcher, it's not good on RDM

The chaincasting is 100%.... yay! But the 45% damage boost buff is not.

[maiden lodge]

Yeah, for some reason, bloom effects don't work as well in the previews

[stiff charm]

no, the thing on the right

[odd yoke]

Yeah and watcher means you dodge mechanics like https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/846382880380551198/847509875579027476/TasteofBloodMiss.PNG and kill you

[subtle pasture]

Eschina: So Rowena has you wrapped about her finger, does she? What a pity.
Enna: We'd hoped you might be interested in a little “something on the side,” but it seems she's got you all to herself.```
@maiden lodge

[stiff charm]

its a section on the "villains wiki" and i was wondering what character that might be lol

[spiral wagon]

Yes

[neat salmon]

can someone give me a quick run down of what happend in 5.4 and 5.5 so I can actually read 5.55 this time? Wanted to cap tomes day 1 when 5.4 dropped so I skipped all of msq and now i have no idea why I fought "lunar bahamut" in the new dungeon and why tiamat is there lol

[subtle pasture]

The Omega/books part of the relic quest has this dialogue at the end,

[dim sigil]

Did we write those books

[fast warren]

Does the fact you skip Jolt mmake up for the lower overall damage boost?

[drowsy belfry]

yaH

"If you take that deal you write your own damn memoirs"

• Canon WoL Quotes

[gaunt star]

us, crystal boyfriend, and the twins figured out we can cure tempering using flying pigs, so we do just that with different things like the Kobald kid Allisae had imprinted on him, and following that Fandaniel, some ascian chump teams up with murder hobo boyfriend to bring about the Final Days, like the ancients faced, and doing so using Lunar Bahamut and other Lunar Primals using some towers that got some DnD shit going on with them, and being near a tower tempers people to follow Garlemald. Fandaniel attacks Pag'lthan which is an Amalja home or whatever and you go to their aid, and then the amaljaa are like "poggers dude, we'll help you fight murder hobo and ascian fucko" and something something fordola tells Alphi he's a chump for believing in people

[dim sigil]

Yeah that's the impression I got the warrior of light is now a famous writer

[gaunt star]

also we cured tiamat's tempering (or at least most of it) and convinced her to help us face Lunar Bahamut despite all things

someone will correct me if I'm wrong but that's a half assed summary

[bold condor]

That whole part of the MSQ is part of NG+

[neat salmon]

tempering is the mind control thing right

[bold condor]

It's all its own section, so if you wanted to you could just start the NG+ chapter "Dark Reprisal" from the start.

I think that was the name, anyway? It's the last part of the Shadowbringers options.

Speaking of, I should update my google doc.

[lapis topaz]

Interesting to see magnai say something different for once,

[kind lark]

Well body and soul control thingy

[stiff charm]

yes, the way it works is by aspecting someones aether to the aether of the primal that does the tempering. so as explained in 5.4, if sephirot were to temper someone, he would do so by aspecting their aether to earth. tempering exists in various stages, with the least bad being mind control and the most bad (incurable) is any kind of physical transformation

[severe brook]

when puppetmaster gets confirmed
https://youtu.be/UZYBqDfz8fI

[subtle pasture]

o-oh, it really is just a fuckin' replica of StQ and its binding stone...

(Queen's Rest, a furnishing piece for 10 clusters in Zadnor, no I didn't add the spotlight)

[drowsy belfry]

Wooow das pretty cool

[pine epoch]

It's a tabletop too

[subtle pasture]

and the particles (and light) show outside of things, could think of some tricks with the warding effects

but why the spotlight

--I'm sorry interacting with it does what

who the fuck designed this furnishing

[stiff charm]

koji

[drowsy belfry]

HAHA that's great

[subtle pasture]

why does it summon the wind-up Gunnhildr model

[soft gyro]

supposedly cause that's the spirit of the blade

[stiff charm]

tiny gunny

..hildy?

[severe brook]

gunnhydaelyn

gunnhildibrand

[maiden lodge]

Thank you for linking me to this and bringing me this into my life

[viscid monolith]

What does he expect when he walks around shirtless all the time?

[maiden lodge]

It's like when you get a free blt from your favorite restaurant

[subtle pasture]

The end of each of the 30/30 quests clearly has Regana trying to wrangle Gerolt into a new contract, with throwbacks to the ol' tomestone hubs, cool.

Enna and Eschina are the vendors in RR, Idyll quest has Seika, the HW tome upgrader, and the memories one has uhhhh, one of the girls in MD

but yeah Enna and Eschina aren't light on the innuendo there,

--G'jusana, is the MD girl, she was mostly a part of zodiac weapons, the books

[stiff charm]

and wol gets no appreciation

[dim sigil]

We wrote 60 books i think we earned some

[stiff charm]

quick tomestone do a search for single librarians in my area

[somber storm]

We do that in Sharlayan and get nothing

[stiff charm]

watch me start simping for a random elezen npc in old sharlayan, wouldnt be the first time

[next quarry]

Help

I do too much aoe damage as healer, tanks without essences can't

Aggro

[muted sandal]

The new Bozja raid is ok. Bosses aren’t too bad. Only ran it twice so far. I hate that it’s 20 million mettle just for 3 points of honors. Missing only 5 notes for the mount

[torpid yoke]

then tell them to put on their damn essence

[muted sandal]

If people aren’t putting on essence, I assume they either don’t have any or they are just being dumb

[dim sigil]

I am running out soon

Gotta see what i need to buy for more

[drowsy belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/wheeze-laugh-gif-14359545

Double down

Go HARDER

[next quarry]

I spam lost burst under chainspell

[drowsy belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/lfg-ruj-tits-lets-fucking-go-lets-go-gif-15383476

[dim sigil]

https://twitter.com/Prank_Eight/status/1398170668282224640?s=19

ハチ (@Prank_Eight)

乗り方ぁああああ

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[gloomy shale]

that thing is dope

[torpid yoke]

literally just get at LEAST martialist or aetherweaver

[gloomy shale]

I'm having bad luck on field note drops

[torpid yoke]

it literally drops from mobs right outside first camp of bsf

[gloomy shale]

feelsbadman

[forest magnet]

you need to duel and win to get all of them though right

[clever flume]

you don't, duels basically just assure that particular field note. they can drop from other skirmishes/CEs

[torpid yoke]

sarty though.....i hate him. same with dyunbu

[kind lark]

I need it for that lalafell sitting pose

[stiff charm]

i need pagaga

[crystal arrow]

fuck dyunbu

[dim sigil]

Just 8 more notes

[brisk quail]

I need so many notes

I need all the 1v1s in bsf and Dyunubu.

And then all the 1v1s in Zadnor and Cuchulian and the Menieus

[dim sigil]

I never even tried to go out of my way to farm then I just checked and I have 8 left

Any day now super soldier Rising one will drop though

[next quarry]

I'm missing 17

[crystal arrow]

I'm missing 9

[brisk quail]

Dyunubu: I'm a 0 star note

Me: 50 fates later "0 star note my ass. More rare than the fucking boss chests"

[next quarry]

What's the achievement

[dim sigil]

https://twitter.com/Prank_Eight/status/1398170668282224640?s=19

ハチ (@Prank_Eight)

乗り方ぁああああ

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This

[next quarry]

No

Name of the achievement, ik the rewards

[dim sigil]

You lose

I don't know what it is I guess we will see when it pops

[clever flume]

A Complete History

that's the achievement's name

[dim sigil]

Wow spoilers

[brisk quail]

Game ruined

Now if DYUNUBU OR THE CASTRUM WOULD GIVE ME MY DAMN NOTES

Imagine you could sell fucking notes on the MB

You could make mad money selling boss notes

[crystal arrow]

i'd spend 10mil on dyunbu's alone

honestly the rarest notes I have are fucking dabog's

but apparently meryall's are pretty rare too?

[brisk quail]

Dabog's is easy

[kind lark]

Dyunbu's field note on the second page?

[brisk quail]

Unless you're talking Dabog 2

Dyunubu is by far the hardest.

[crystal arrow]

dyunbu's are literally the rarest ones, iirc hers are a 1% drop or something

[brisk quail]

1% drop from a fate that spawns maybe once or twice an hour

0 star rarity my ass

[kind lark]

Is there 2 Dyunbu notes?

[crystal arrow]

no? lol

[brisk quail]

Dyunubu is a one and done

[kind lark]

Ohhh if so I'm happy then

[brisk quail]

You're thinking of unicorn girl

[kind lark]

I got Dyunbu if there is only one

[brisk quail]

Sincerely

Fuck you

[crystal arrow]

^

[kind lark]

No live bsf has paid off yaay...

Pls give me back those hours

[brisk quail]

I also need Marsak's too

From all pets are off

And angry mage from BSF

[kind lark]

For real though, the game should stop giving you field notes you already have.

[dim sigil]

.lock boxes tho

[maiden lodge]

Coins though

[clever flume]

you can exchange them for lockboxes/coins so its not entirely a waste

[maiden lodge]

it's an extra currency at the end of the day

[stiff charm]

yeah the boxes are worth

[brisk quail]

You know what would be cool?

[stiff charm]

it should definitely increase drop rate for the ones you dont have though

[brisk quail]

Buying notes with coins

[stiff charm]

yes.

[brisk quail]

Just let me fucking buy them since I've tried too damn long

Idc if you make Dyunubu 50 platinum. I'll buy it

[limber pilot]

There should be a patch to put booster seats in the Regalia for Lalafell if they're gonna do stuff like this 🤔

[brisk quail]

They sit on cans on ebony

[crystal arrow]

yknow what would be cool? let me fucking use my 1,600 basic bozjan coins for something

[brisk quail]

YES

Or idk. Allow them to convert. Or change em to materia shards

Like 100 bronze coins for a tier 6 Materia

[stiff charm]

gil

[maiden lodge]

Can't convert them to upgrade kits to sell for dollah dollah?

[open verge]

Wtf is that field record at the end of STQ

Why doesn’t the fuckin game tell you to read this it’s so important 😭

[maiden lodge]

Foreshadowing.

[open verge]

Alright but this pretty frickin huge

[maiden lodge]

And it could also be a complete lie.

[open verge]

Yea I don’t think he’s dead

[dim sigil]

Pretty weird how they ended basically with a cliffhanger and continuing the story

[open verge]

^ exactly

[forest magnet]

I mean Gabranth is still out and about

[dim sigil]

I feel like they can't just do another side thing because there's so much baggage so I have to continue with this

[stiff charm]

watch matsuno leave and we never get any continuation

[deft burrow]

Well its pretty much confirmed that Dalmasca will be somehow connected to the next relic weapon in the 6.x stuff since Fran is like sup at the end

The save the queen stuff btw ^

[stiff charm]

cant wait for the discourse a year from now

[torpid yoke]

i wont be satisfied till we get mystic knight beast master

[viscid monolith]

If Matsuno leaves then assume everything in the notes are actually true

[forest magnet]

it's not like Matsuno has anything else to do

[rustic heath]

Uh

Question. When does the Zadnor story line start. 10 or 15

Like as in rank 10 or rank 15

I'm asking because I started at rank 15 but one of my friends wants to start as rank 10 but idk if they wanna do the story

[forest magnet]

Zadnor gives so much mettle it doesn't matter

[chilly bluff]

So you’re telling me that Into The Matsunoverse is still on the table

[odd yoke]

It starts at 10

[chilly bluff]

Radical

[odd yoke]

Cause you need 10 to enter it since you needed delerum done

[rustic heath]

But doesn't the quest after that start at 16

[odd yoke]

Yeah, so it will take longer for them to get to that but theyll be Inside Zadnor

[rustic heath]

But no access to story quests until 16

[odd yoke]

Yeah, just like how the 15s couldn't do it

[rustic heath]

How does mettle gain scale ay rank 10 anyway

[crystal arrow]

delubrum, but yes

[rustic heath]

In Zadnor, is it the same?

[odd yoke]

Yes

Mettle gain is scaled by rank

[dim sigil]

Getting rank 15 now is a joke

Its nothing

[deft burrow]

Mettle gain is ridiculous

You'll be rank 15 from rank 10 in like 3 CEs

[dim sigil]

Am getting back to 20 mil mettle each time fast to

[deft burrow]

yeah

[rustic heath]

I wouldn't know because I entered zadnor at 15

[dim sigil]

Weird how they evenly did add in a level system to save the queen post game only tho

[next quarry]

yay

[dim sigil]

That fight was somthing

I missed the first 20% though because people pulled before the cutscene ended

[odd yoke]

It also has catjams

[dim sigil]

Catjams?

[odd yoke]

[crystal arrow]

the ost is banging

[mighty light]

To get access to the honors system you need to have completed all non-savage content at least once anyway, so it makes sense to reward people for continuing to play it by giving them stat boosts

[crystal arrow]

Yeah it makes sense, good way for ppl investing more time in it to get rewarded for it

[dim sigil]

I was kind of hoping that song in the trailer was going to be the field theme and was disappointed when I learned to use the same as bsf field but this boss theme made up for it

Getting all honors is definitely going to help when it's time to level Reaper for msq

[brisk quail]

Okay

Can we PLEASE have mettle or note drop rate upped in BSF

[crystal arrow]

no ❤️

[brisk quail]

Getting like 12k pity mettle ain't cutting it anymore

[forest magnet]

The only nerf to Bozja that they did was the CLL adjustments

[brisk quail]

Even then the BSF doesn't scale (well) with after BSF ranks.

Like they at least expect us to be in the zone an hour to pop CLL

Picking up 10k mettle a fate or whatnot. That feels kinda shitty coming off of Zadnor

[balmy mesa]

CLL should be popping more often than it used to

since they tied it to CEs spawning I think?

[brisk quail]

The issue is people are note farming

They need stuff from non-ce fates

[forest magnet]

Mettle gain in Bozja is horrible compared to Zadnor so

[brisk quail]

So they don't get done and BSF lasts longer cuz everyone's waiting on Dyunubu

PS: Fuck you Dyunubu

[crystal arrow]

honestly the solution would be to make hernais and dyunbu's notes drop from shemhazai

[brisk quail]

Cuz most (players beyond rank 15) aren't gonna be touching CEs in BSF

Cuz

1. They're waiting on fates
2. The CEs give nothing for them either notes-wise, relic mat-wise or mettle-wise

You're never gonna see someone just running patriot games

[maiden lodge]

Yeah it needs to drop fragments or something oh wait

[brisk quail]

Oh you mean the 5 resistance potions? Sick

[forest magnet]

the frag drop rate is ass though isn't it nvm the memory drop rate is ass

[brisk quail]

Or the 1 fragment of savior pot.

[forest magnet]

why would you create a system where it's more grindy to do it inside the BSF I don't get it.

I can get a memory per 20 minutes doing Lab runs. I'd be lucky if 2 CEs spawned during that time frame

[brisk quail]

Like if BSF CEs gave like... the CLL fragments

I might consider grinding them.

Cuz Bloodsucker/beast/Templar

[crystal arrow]

is it just me or do zadnor ces/skirmishes drop fuckall for fragments (and the fragments are shit too)

[brisk quail]

No it's shit all around

oh boy. 10 more bubbles. Sqex, you shouldn't have

[maiden lodge]

Yeah, for the most part, CEs and Smirms are still mostly not for frags.

[crystal arrow]

laughs in 108 bubble frags

[brisk quail]

Wait. You're telling me you DON'T want 90 bubble frags?

[forest magnet]

"why don't ppl use lost actions in DR?"
well maybe if their drop rate wasn't shit and I actually got some useful ones and not ones that increase damage taken maybe I would!

[brisk quail]

You want like actual actions? What? That's wild! Have another bubble

[maiden lodge]

They're not that hard to farm.

Really. It's not like the fuckin Eureka ones.