retired-patch-6-3-discussion

[next quarry]

Ah then I picked konogg

[somber storm]

Konogg the cautious

[ember tulip]

@heady shadow i finished nier and automata... i am still baffled

[rough kestrel]

Anogg was following 2P but I didnt trust her.

[gaunt star]

Anyone know which raids drop the lurid memory?

[next quarry]

The cautious one

[gaunt star]

Just did e1s and didn't get it

[heady shadow]

better watch some drakngard endings xD

[rough kestrel]

Konogg was the one going "What the fuck we cant just trust her"

[ember tulip]

i did when i fell into the rabbit hole after finishing nier back then

[next quarry]

Could this mean that the favor is on the seed's side? Something still going on behind the scenes

[somber storm]

Konogg also the one that picked up a WAR hammer on the ground during the Android attack

[ember tulip]

maybe doing NG+ disregard the "server choice"?

[heady shadow]

now just wait for the next nier game

[wind bough]

the future of the nier franchise was decided by a blind vote from the FFXIV community

[stuck knot]

Can someone make a compilation of all the Fandaniel&Zenos scenes and put "Pinky and the Brain" music over it?

[heady shadow]

xD

[azure garnet]

Fucking hate the new map design

[open verge]

smae

[azure garnet]

its worser than bozja

[wind bough]

I like it a lot better than BSF

[open verge]

i cant reach any CE unless im right near it

[gaunt star]

it's super huge for some reason right? Way too much down time

[ember tulip]

it's randy it's fandy and the ze nos nos nos

[wind bough]

BSF was similarly huge

[open verge]

Bozja always had a problem of not being able to reach CE in time this zone is no better

[next quarry]

Again

[stuck knot]

I can even imagine their conversation right now.

[azure garnet]

Also im officially the twins’ mother uwu

[open verge]

zadnor looks way cooler tho

[bold condor]

Vrtra to every reaction vid: i'm not tiamat

[open verge]

@azure garnet i thought this instantly when i did the story

[somber storm]

Zadnor gives more xp compared to the Front

[azure garnet]

Tru u not wron about that

[river hinge]

"reach" CE? you insta teleport?

[rough kestrel]

@bold condor HOLY SHIT IS THAT HRAESVELGR!?

[stuck knot]

"Fandaniel, do you know what we're going to do tonight?"
"Are we going to watch female catgirls get their brains screwed out of their heads in the Quicksand?"
"No you fool, we're going to do what we do every night. We'll take over the world!"

[ember tulip]

if this was a taro game...we would need to complete all the resistance weapons to full for the full ending...

[rough kestrel]

[river hinge]

what do you mean by "reach"?

[somber storm]

OH SHIT NIDHOGG IS BACK

[next quarry]

AH FUCK ITS BAHAMUT

[crystal arrow]

robo cavalry, huh https://i.imgur.com/qEYfI4R.png

[heady shadow]

i seen the reactions of many people and even when you can clearly hear estinien say his name everyone like 'Tiamat!''

When they look nothing alike xD

[shy flax]

Are the normal raids 100% chance to drop a relic mat?

[open verge]

yea well i did the same thing i literally didnt hear estienen say vrtra

[rough kestrel]

"clearly" is an ovestatemen when A. They talk over him. B. "Devour his c-" exists.

[somber storm]

I honestly thought Nidhogg returned but on our side until I heard Vrtra then my hype returned

[next quarry]

Yeah

[shy flax]

Until we saw it up close yes

[open verge]

like duh you can say that after the fact its clearly stated its vrtra but when the last patch dealt with tiamat how could you blame people

[somber storm]

Vrtra got different horns

[rough kestrel]

Every reaction mistakes the dragon, by that logic how many people overall assumed it was Tiamat? Probably most

[heady shadow]

I gues my confusion was we just saw her a month ago and my memory she has a dompletely different head

[shy flax]

^

[open verge]

your in the moment of being hype some people will get it wrong

[heady shadow]

Vrtra had a nose horn and two underbite long ass teeth

[open verge]

i was personally yelling while watching the trailer so i didnt hear what estinen said LOL

[rough kestrel]

I didnt know who it was but I thought the nose horn made it pretty clear it wasn't a drago I knew

[somber storm]

Tfw HW theme popped up that you start hype screaming

[oak pike]

Devour his c-

[gaunt star]

wait......................... so does nier not have ng+ shenanigans
is that really it

[rough kestrel]

Possibly

[somber storm]

We are figuring that out now

[open verge]

yes stop coping the story sucks

[gaunt star]

LMFAO

like... what the hell

[open verge]

you got to accept the story wasnt good man

[somber storm]

https://tenor.com/view/nier-automata-you-know-it-yoko-taro-gif-15406783

[crimson pollen]

if theres more to Nier story, prolly dataminers would know

[bold condor]

https://tenor.com/view/yoko-taro-nier-nier-automata-head-hurts-headache-gif-16731535

[open verge]

weekly quest and new game plus wont fix the story like people said it would

[somber storm]

https://tenor.com/view/yoko-taro-nier-nier-automata-nodding-appreciative-nod-gif-16731531

[rough kestrel]

@gaunt star The finale shows server stats regarding the choice between Anogg/Konogg, and the final quest has an image that doesn't actually happen in that quest.

So thats why I want to check.

[bold condor]

https://tenor.com/view/yoko-taro-nier-nier-automata-wacky-funny-gif-16731540

[gaunt star]

lmao

[keen olive]

did something happen to the nier stuff in the game? i still didn't do them

[somber storm]

Tbh, a lot of quests have a image that doesn't happen during it

[open verge]

Just wait for the weekly quest to explain the plot of the raid

[grizzled hornet]

So does anyone has pictures of the new final relic form?

[crimson pollen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ndg6lFq0fU

[open verge]

desparius has a vid for all of em.

[gaunt star]

i picked konogg as well so 🥴

[half phoenix]

Yes check back like 9 hours ago

[clever dove]

I find them kinda....weird, lookwise y'know

[keen olive]

@gaunt star what does this mean?

[strange wing]

Sorry fellow Nier fans. We've Been Tricked, We've Been Backstabbed and We've Been Quite Possibly, Bamboozled

[severe brook]

we've been smeckledorfed!

[heady shadow]

Nier fans should have know better xD

[half phoenix]

But is there a Flight Unit mount?

[unborn lantern]

what happened?

[gaunt star]

i wish we got an outfit. but the shush emote is pretty funny

no

[keen olive]

what happened????

[open verge]

Nier Fans gassed the fuck out of this raid series only for it to be trash LOL

[gaunt star]

was there nothing datamined

[keen olive]

nice

[strange wing]

Eh the raid themselves were fine.

[open verge]

the nier raid will have multiple endings!
and it will make you cry

[half phoenix]

Why isn’t there a Flight Unit mount!!!???

[gaunt star]

or a pod.

[keen olive]

i just want the clothes

[bold condor]

so just to be clear there was no reward?

[gaunt star]

you get an orchestrion

theres a title

[crimson pollen]

Noone report unusual stuff regarding Nier raids... might ask Garland tools dataminers or someone else to have a 2nd look to see if they find something else

[stuck knot]

I feel like if they removed those stupid crystal thingies the relics wouldn't look as bad

[half phoenix]

But it was an awesome design for a mount!

[bold condor]

[somber storm]

An Instrumental version

[gaunt star]

[18:04]You obtain a Weight of the World (Instrumental) orchestrion roll.

and a title

[strange wing]

DrakenNier is still good, and Yoko Taro is still god. This is just pretty bad, and more of a marketing stunt.

[somber storm]

Next DrakenNier game going back to fantasy

[half phoenix]

No, this is story by Yoko Taro, so its meh

[strange wing]

I will be watching out for two dwarfs in the next Taro game though

[wind bough]

[strange wing]

Nope. Waaaay better

[wind bough]

Easy on the bait

[open verge]

Yoko Taro made a shit story stop defending him

[oak pike]

God the new fourchenalt memes are funny

[strange wing]

I will devour this bait. I will flay it open

[open verge]

Yoko Taro making a shitty story doesnt mean hes a hack tho

[quasi zodiac]

Nier was a disaster

[gaunt star]

i cant believe they showed forchenautlt this patch
I cant beleive they made his voice like that either
after all the thirst art on twitter

[open verge]

his voice is sick

[distant sonnet]

No, him being a hack is what makes him a hack.

[gaunt star]

his voice is extrmely good

[strange wing]

Yea, and he had made uh. Questionable stuff before. Like that Drakengard manga

[crimson pollen]

any bad things in this patch were actually reversed by 5 sec appearance of Queen of all Waifus, mother Hyddy

[gaunt star]

but when he ||disowned the twins|| naaaaaaaah what the fuck

[open verge]

that was goated

[distant sonnet]

When Taro's heart is in it he can make some good stuff. When it isn't, he cashes in hard and phones it in. And this was obviously the latter. 😛

[severe brook]

i can't believe Lunar Cry is finally in the game and it's not in MSQ

[open verge]

WoL now has ownership of the kids

[oak pike]

Idk if I want to consider the dad a chad or not for the things he did this patch

[heady shadow]

i mean i expected him to pop up since well they mentioned we would learn a little about in at fanfest

[next quarry]

inb4 thancred adopts them

[gaunt star]

fair enough

[wind bough]

The malding over Yoko Taro is nuts

[gaunt star]

the board game pieces was extremely cool

[severe brook]

i wouldn't say he's always a hack; i do really like some of his work. but also this is uh

[wind bough]

We get it you hate popular thing

[stuck knot]

Thancred and Y'shtola will adopt them

[distant sonnet]

Galaxy brain prediction: ||He was overplaying a hand on purpose there, being super blunt. Hes actually on our side because dark corruption at the heart of Sharlayan or something and this was his way of trying to keep the kids safe.||

[open verge]

when people overhype the fuck out of a raid series story this tends to happen

[stuck knot]

and if they misbehave Y'shtola will spank em

[severe brook]

my own galaxy brain prediction: Cagnazzo

[crimson pollen]

Fourchenault is playing 5d chess with tiny brains eorzeans

[distant sonnet]

Hey I hate it on its own merits thank you very much. 😛

[open verge]

so the myths of the realm 24 man will have teh best story EVER!!!!!!!!!!

[severe brook]

that being said, it could be he's 5-D Chess-ing it because "Bear their scorn or watch them die"

[ionic flicker]

What if... Both Fandaniel and the Forum are in league and working toward the same goal?

[heady shadow]

||quetsion is how long before Urianger or Alphinaud figure it out||

[regal lantern]

Look if DrakenNieR games were so good on story or gameplay, they’d not be flop the way they are. It took a big butt girl to get people’s attention, yoko taro isn’t god. Gameplay is even worse

[open verge]

yea i can see it

[crimson pollen]

Fourchenalut - Vader. Last sec he's gonna be overcome by guilty and act to save them

[somber storm]

Still gonna punch Fourche in the face

[wind bough]

Drakengard and Nier were lauded for their stories for a long time before Automata.

[open verge]

I expected him to ||force alisaie and Alphinaud to come back home i think it owuld have been super sick to see||

[wind bough]

Their jank gameplay ensured they stayed cult status though.

[regal lantern]

Of Drakengard or NieR replicant? Replicant was bearable

[somber storm]

Funny how us and Estinien are gonna be the only jocks of the group when we head to Old Sharlayan

[severe brook]

i think they mean for the raid? not sure though

[strange wing]

And also the aversion to Japanese games that was happening at the time in the west didn't help Nier.

[next quarry]

Replicant was good

[regal lantern]

Everything bad has a cult following. Music like “noise core and pornogrindcore” exists for this reason

[crimson pollen]

I wonder if they'll make Krile dirty and kill her stealth. Like poison her food or something. They are pretty crazy these Sharlayans. Dont rule coward ways like these out.

[gaunt star]

100 Gecs

[regal lantern]

The raid was... okay.

[spiral mica]

having never played any NieR, this raid series made a VERY poor impression. like, looks a lot like this guys stupid persona, the mask, the antics, the writing gimmicks, is just to cover up the fact that his art is just a bunch of vapid bullshit.

but im also a salty AF ff14 player that is very annoyed that hte ShB alliance raid was wasted on such irrelevant trash

[polar crater]

Depends on what class you play. Scholar is a big weatherology nerd.

[gaunt star]

i still find it weird, it was Fourchenault himself to come tho

[somber storm]

Looks at playing all the classes

[open verge]

give suda 51 a 24man raid crossover and he wouldnt disapoint like yoko taro

[distant sonnet]

Drakengard is super unplayably bad but the story was good. Nier original recipe has a super charming heart and its an honest to god treasure. Automata the story gets a bit incoherent and way up its own ass. And now this.

[strange wing]

Honestly, this was more for Nier fans to get into FF14. And it worked on more than a few people(Like me)

[regal lantern]

It’s pretty heavily obvious that fourchenault came here to do some field research

[severe brook]

i mean also Thancred being GNB now means he must be at least part jock

[oak pike]

So like y’shtola heading over to yell at the dad like at a PTA meeting?

[somber storm]

Plus you know, Sharlayan elitism

[next quarry]

As a nier fan I enjoyed it

[somber storm]

I appreciated it for what it is

[distant sonnet]

Okay honest question.. why though? Because even as a Nier story I didn't think it was particularly good.

[polar crater]

I expected Alphino to say something like "You'll regret this Master Fourchenhault" or "The forum will fall, if that is what it takes".

[regal lantern]

Also how come we didn’t get a new tataru outfit? And I was hoping we see tataru at least be a bit more... into the story given her front position on the art

[gaunt star]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/745869774877229096/843298367269240882/yoshimoogledance.gif

[severe brook]

that's still probably pretty disappointing for a XIV fan, and I say that as someone who's been into Nier stuff a lot longer.

[open verge]

Ok so I played up to the time skip of nier replicant WHY THE FUCK DO REPLICANT BOSSES APPEAR IN THE RAID SERIES????

[cosmic mango]

has anyone else noticed the exit to the greater hold sparklies in arm areng?

[next quarry]

It's just something from a game I like coming into a game I love

[somber storm]

Because reference

[severe brook]

the reason's implied in Automata

[strange wing]

Ending E of Replicant actually explains this

[open verge]

.-.

[crimson pollen]

Its is funny in the English trailer Y'Shtola talks in a really imposing manner to the Forum. In the JP version, her voice and tone is way more delicate

[spiral mica]

i just keep seeing people call Automata a masterpiece, and going on and on about how deep and philosophical it is. And then i see this shit, and a bunch of people going "thats so yoko taro hurr hurr"

....

[open verge]

these explanations are all so trash btw

[severe brook]

basically ||The Machine Network has a copy of the human server that records everything at its core. Records of the Shades from Replicant are part of that data.||

[next quarry]

The story was cool, but not fantastic. The raids were a visual treat and surprising. The final bosses of the raids were really nice too

[strange wing]

Big tree is a hard drive and it downloaded the bosses.

[open verge]

good raids shitty story thats it

[open verge]

yoko taros work isnt for everyoen dude

[distant sonnet]

Automata is like.. its about as deep and engaging as Evangelion, if you've seen that. Aka he crushed up and snorted an entire Philosophy 101 textbook. I actually think the original Nier was a lot more interesting and philosophical.. but alas

[severe brook]

this isn't even a good example of his work tbh

this is just a cheap crossover, nothing more, nothing less

[wind bough]

Yeah the FF raid is very much not a good example. It's pretty underwhelming.

[open verge]

every creator has their blunder man LOL

[next quarry]

They do

[distant sonnet]

This wasn't a blunder. This was a quick paycheck. 😛

[wind bough]

Also Evangelion is fairly deep and engaging

[next quarry]

I hope NG+ has something but I doubt it

[regal lantern]

It’s 2021, take a shit somewhere, people will think it’s a subliminal message and how amazingly it explains a philosophical statement

[distant sonnet]

He didn't try and fail, he just didn't try.

[spiral mica]

i see. yeah ive seen Evangelion.

[unborn lantern]

was that the fkin whole quest for nier, was reading kanogg's message? XD

[crimson pollen]

Is dis Ghost in the Shell levels of introspective

[gaunt star]

https://tenor.com/view/wackaflocka-gif-7684829

[somber storm]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/nks3se/all_blades_gear_from_zadnor_bozja_555_in_one_big/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

[unborn lantern]

[somber storm]

Well that was quick

[crimson pollen]

This gear is lava hot garbage, lol

[distant sonnet]

But ff12 reference.

[polar crater]

The dude went to school to learn how to be james bond.

[strange wing]

Disappointing patch is disappointing.

[open verge]

i can tell by playing the beginning of Nier Replicant that yoko taro really needs a long game to really set up and build the world
the beginning of replicant is literally doing the exact same fetch quest over and over again til theirs a time skip but thats where i stoped playing for now

[strange wing]

MSQ stuff was real good though

[next quarry]

ngl penelo's boots are cute

[crimson pollen]

First Bozjan armor (the one that looks like Assassin's Creed), still the best

[polar crater]

Your gear is stinky hot garbage.

[severe brook]

...so the core content of the patch was good then?

[open verge]

when the hell will arenvald and fordola kiss

[strange wing]

The 20 minute trailer for EW? Yes.

[open verge]

they are so cute man best ship in the game

[somber storm]

In a doujin

Or fan art

[lyric field]

Just check twitter >_>

[somber storm]

Plus we rarely see characters kiss in game

[polar crater]

Larsa's black gear skin looks really good. Like the kind of uniform a black mage in the union army would wear.

[open verge]

im kiddin guys lol

[somber storm]

RDM wearing Larsa gear

[regal lantern]

Yoko Taro isn’t really a successful game creator or maker. He made one successful game and the biggest thing about the game was:

[gaunt star]

not me tabbing in and forgetting what server this was

[strange wing]

Oh also. Misja is a big huge war criminal and shouldn't be alive.

[somber storm]

Same

[severe brook]

...i feel like this is nsfw enough to be spoiled
she's not usually this shiny

[polar crater]

Why is the 5.55 section just getting burried by old content talk, yoko taro, and assess?

[severe brook]

eh this'll pass in time

[strange wing]

Because haters gonna hate

[somber storm]

Because it's the circle of rants

[strange wing]

I've never seen someone so terrified of big asses lmao

[severe brook]

cope. seethe. mald. roar. writhe. rage.

[crimson pollen]

HER CHURCH IS OPEN

[open verge]

shes not a viera smh

[wind bough]

people hate popular thing

[heady shadow]

it happens.

[polar crater]

Gotta say, Venat is hot.

[gaunt star]

opens discord and clicks on another server
pause
scroll back up figuring where tf i was just in

[strange wing]

Also yea, that's totally Venat

[regal lantern]

Wonder how she will die

[distant sonnet]

As for the MSQ. Low key I laughed aloud at the sheer go fuck yourself energy of..
||"If not for your father my entire city would have been eradicated and I'd be dead."
"Told him not to, still stand by that."||

[severe brook]

i mean, i do feel that people's frustration with the nier raid is more than just hating popular thing. and they have a right to feel this way, even if i don't

[open verge]

How can one man be so based.

[wind bough]

I also am disappointed in nier raid

But the more generalised anti-Yoko Taro feeling is for sure just Hate Popular Thing

[severe brook]

that being said, some of the stuff like "Yoko Taro's never good at anything" is just hating on popular creator because he's popular now

[somber storm]

I was expecting more fucked up Nier shit dammit

[strange wing]

I hope 4chanalt is actually a pos, and not trying to do some 5D chess maneuver.

[oak pike]

Fourchenalt is base as fuck like Jesus that guy is a dickhead

[severe brook]

just go run Bunker and Tower again

[open verge]

the nier raid is being used to create a narrative on Yoko Always being bad just like they do to sonic games

[floral idol]

i only like nier for the aesthetics and music tbh

[wind bough]

I'm not particularly invested but I can see that Yoko Taro is a smart creator who makes quality stuff

[distant sonnet]

People: Here are reasons we dislike thing.
Mentor: PeOpLe HaTe PoPuLaR tHiNg.

Why you keep saying this? 😛

[polar crater]

Every single calamity affects the entire planet, Bahamut didn't only because old elf stopped it. Does the forum really think their books are giga flare proof? Last I checked books burn easily.

[wind bough]

Because it's true. Also no reasons have really been given except rather high schooly ones.

[gaunt star]

hes definitely doing that, theres no way hed come to Eorzea just to say 'no fk off'

[strange wing]

I can't wait for Taro's next game where he can't even describe the thing, and doesn't think it will be good.

[severe brook]

they did clarify what parts they felt were understandable and what they felt was spiteful, don't bad faith this

especially because people are using frustration with this single work to say everything he's made is bad, which is unfair

[distant sonnet]

Alright. The story is an incoherent mess. The repeatable six weeks of quests led to nothing, but strung people along hoping for something to clean up the mess and justify their investment. Then they got basically nothing but an even bigger question mark.

[open verge]

im fine with thinking the raids were bad but to say the rest of yoko taros work is also bad is unfair lol

[wind bough]

So you didn't read my comment where I said I also was disappointed in the nier raid then

[open verge]

the raid story definetly was completly overhyped and is trash tho

[severe brook]

that's about the raids though, there were people saying everything else he made was bad too. which is absurd

[strange wing]

Yea, I can't really argue with this and I'm a pretty big fanboy.

[wind bough]

great, glad we cleared up that you're not engaging in good faith

[severe brook]

[regal lantern]

I used to idolise the dude till 5.3

[crystal arrow]

Lima's correct. people hate on nier because it's... complicated and popular. Don't even try to argue otherwise.

[polar crater]

Not gonna be soon enough IMO. Really puts one off wanting to talk about the patch that came out .... 6 hours ago.

[distant sonnet]

"Not engaging in good faith"
"No ones given me a solid argument."

Everything was a shiny display of "Behold, [product]."

But okay my dude. Clearly conversation is going nowhere.

[crystal arrow]

God forbid viddy gaem makes you think and has existential themes

[strange wing]

That's not in this game though sadly

[wind bough]

Yeah clearly because you're talking past me

[distant sonnet]

No. You're wrong. I dislike it on its own merit and I don't give a rats ass who else likes it or doesn't.

[wind bough]

I'm not defending the nier raid so it makes no sense that you're yelling at me about it as if I am.

[strange wing]

This was maximum phoning it in for a paycheck.

[open verge]

idk what your arguing about because everyone in here seems to agree the plot of the nier raid was underwhelming

[severe brook]

i don't have a mythbusters gif so this'll have to do
https://tenor.com/view/ah-thats-your-problem-thats-whats-wrong-thats-the-problem-found-the-problem-found-the-cause-gif-16023757

[wind bough]

I can only conclude that you're not actually paying attention to what I'm saying, therefore your position is in bad faith.

[distant sonnet]

No, I'm listening.. but you're not saying anything either. You're just repeating "Don't like because popular" like that means anything.

[wind bough]

[distant sonnet]

And again.. I dislike that shit on its own merit.

[regal lantern]

No? I hate it cause it is a repetitive story of nihilism. I have a strong disdain against it.

[heady shadow]

for someone who doesnt give a rats ass you are making a big deal out of it

[wind bough]

....how many times can I say "yeah I also dislike the nier raid"

[severe brook]

eh whatever i'll come back when we're talking MSQ or Bozja again

[strange wing]

Lol wat. Nier is all about anti-nihlism

[wind bough]

why are you going off

[regal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/idiot-congratulations-you-played-your-self-gif-10536951

[polar crater]

I would ask the mods to get the chat back on topic, but uhh... yeah.

[strange wing]

Like did you even play the games?

Okay, this is gonna go nowhere. I will return for EW early access.

[severe brook]

Nier 1 ends up being pretty nihilistic because of its theme of "Everyone thinking they're in the right when they have goals that can't mesh together, and unwillingness to compromise leads to mutual destruction"
Automata is anti-nihilistic by the end, with "The world might have no inherent meaning but we can live with our own purpose."

[wintry niche]

Do you think Ms. Leveilleur knew Fourchenault was at the very least considering disowning the kids?

[next quarry]

tbh 9S sorta gets kinda Nier 1 at the end

[somber storm]

Probably not

[gaunt star]

damn he only came to act smart-failed and left

[severe brook]

9S is definitely a continuation of Nier 1's themes but he's not the only character

[next quarry]

@devout musk Gib

[polar crater]

She's so gonna get skewered and ripped apart in front of him.

[wintry niche]

Because if she didn't know, and he comes back and is like "saw the kids, they're doing fine, by the way I told them they weren't part of the family any more", I can see some interesting marital drama.

[devout musk]

@next quarry not on crystal

[gaunt star]

pretty sure he didnt intend to disown them until they said what they said

nerdboi got offended and poof

[heady shadow]

i dont know what they said but considering how the forum is majorly i wouldnt be surprised if he's doing it to make it easy for them to deal with the final days

otherwaise we wouldnt be staying at what is possibly the family mansion xD

[gaunt star]

whats the goodwill seeking emote?

[next quarry]

I wanna go hoooome

[polar crater]

Nah's he's just a jerk.

[wintry niche]

It was basically "yes, of course we're going to try to help the Eorzeans save the fucking planet, we gotta live here too!"

[gaunt star]

he might be, but the fact the forum outright ignored them, yet out of all ppl he went to eorzea himself raises questions

[tulip geyser]

I still think him "disowning" them lets him sneakily assist without raising suspicion in his direction. Theres no way he came all this damn way and greeted them so warmly just to do that, offended or not. He doesnt seem that delicate in the feels.

[heady shadow]

his family name was used to create a paramilitary that went rouge and got many people killed.

I'd honestly do the same thing. Especially if i was a Forum member in Sharlayan whos supposed to be Neutral.

[polar crater]

That's not the reason he gave.

Which was. "Don't let all life on the planet die? Pepousterous!"

[gaunt star]

pretty sure fourchenault disliked the idea of war, it has nothing to do with how his name was used

[somber storm]

"You are no longer part of the family so now you can do whatever you want since are are willing to live like the rest of the world"

[gaunt star]

such as sneaking into sharlayans locked archives with graha

[primal swift]

Can someone fucking tell me wtf i'm suppose to do against luna ravana? like i hate playing as mages

[tulip geyser]

Then when the forum looks at him "Iunno, I disowned them. 🤷‍♂️ "

[gaunt star]

destroy the butterfly shit he spawns and dodge his attacks and keep your party alive

[wintry niche]

Keep throwing the Fire/Flare combo at him, use Cure 2/Medica 2 when someone's HP is running low (Cure is single-target, Medica is multi-target), use Break to hold the butterflies in place.

[somber storm]

"Fourchenant, why is your children here trying to persuade us to join in their conflict?"
"Children? These are no children of mine"

[gaunt star]

basically the instructions are right on screen between the npcs

[heady shadow]

i sometimes wonder how people miss things like this

[late willow]

Someone said the nono R word

[heady shadow]

reading in between the lines isnt a strong suit i guess

[gaunt star]

whats the R word

[somber storm]

Well if we look at that poem then it could be from Fourche

[torpid yoke]

rhubarb

[gaunt star]

lel

[heady shadow]

i think people just want a reason to hate the dad and wish death on him xD

[open verge]

i was just expecting him to force Alisaie and Alphinaud to come back home like picking up your kid from their friends house

haha fun times over now return to teh underground bunker we are building

[somber storm]

We all know we are gonna have mobs popping up at the bunker just as soon as we get there

[primal swift]

Thank you for help I fucking hate playing as other classes I'm a melee class

[gaunt star]

just let sharlayan get destroyed ez

[kindred rampart]

yeah he was like ||Unleveilleurs your twins|| instead which probably hurt them more than being forced back

[pallid fox]

I have a sneaking suspicion that any time Fandaniel is present and targetable I'm going to be using the new emote on him.

[gaunt star]

it sucks but tbh theres more important things going on than being disowned xd

[crimson pollen]

4chenault playing 5d chess:

[torpid yoke]

man i loved the transitions for the solo instance

[kind lark]

Venat looks cool.

[somber storm]

Tfw we get our own figurine

[gaunt star]

no pressure

[unborn basalt]

Anyone got the new hairstyle? Any screenshots of it?

[kindred rampart]

for a moment I thought it was gonna pull out and show Fanny Danny looking over it and then setting it on fire like the Opening trailer once all the primals were downed

[tulip geyser]

But seriously I do hope he's doing some gigabrain stuff.
The good guys in fiction seem to dislike taking advantage of their Cunning stat.

[severe brook]

"What else is new"

[crimson pollen]

I'd go to the end of the universe for her.

[gaunt star]

we definitely may be getting time mage in 7.0

[gaunt star]

understandable

[torpid yoke]

also we finally figured out what the butterly looking action was

[stiff charm]

just finished 5.55 and i cant find aenor this is an emergency

[somber storm]

Break

[faint dagger]

anyone done dalriada yet?

[gaunt star]

no

[kindred rampart]

too bad she has ||Elezen neck syndrome due to her model being tied to it like Garleans||

[somber storm]

Tfw the scions we are gonna lose are gonna be the side scions

[gaunt star]

unfortunate but mommy.

[slate badger]

we're going to leave behind all the scions in the ending of endwalker

[stiff charm]

i could see a lotr style group split

[slate badger]

gonna,,,, rejoin all the shards and create a world without gods

[bold condor]

Elezen neck is cute.

[gaunt star]

imagine if u go back to eorzea and they dont recognize who u are

[tulip geyser]

Better not, let them accomplish things. I like when people grow not to need "the hero" all the time

[wind bough]

the idea that any race is free from Elezen neck syndrome is an illusion

all races have copious neck

[somber storm]

Neck more room for things

[warm bone]

Butbut potatos?

[severe brook]

https://tenor.com/view/nope-videogame-construction-gif-4960956

[crystal arrow]

I don't think there are enough people at that rank to even do it if it pops lol

[warm bone]

Namazus have no necks either

[wind bough]

except Lalas who just get a little nub which looks like it would twist off like a piece of clay

[gaunt star]

considering how fast u rank up ill be surprised if there arent

[severe brook]

if you pat a lalafell's head too roughly it falls off

[bold condor]

mad because tall

[severe brook]

mad because small

[warm bone]

Lalas are calcabrina confirmed?

[gaunt star]

whatever u say female fourchenault

[bold condor]

Fourchenault is daddy tho.

[gaunt star]

@hole tho

[gaunt star]

how many quests is 5.55

[bold condor]

3

[gaunt star]

i thought so smh sadness

[tulip geyser]

How do I survive till November

[severe brook]

i'm so sorry

[crimson pollen]

Inc FanArt with mother Hyddy gonna be strong

[severe brook]

but i saw the gray color and the neck and i realized

[stiff charm]

zadnor music is the same..

bozja music is great i was just hoping for something new

[wind bough]

Cid...what happened to you?

[severe brook]

on a side note we need more Indricotheriums in fiction

[slate badger]

i hope for the health of ffxiv players all around that no one is max rank yet

[gaunt star]

someone probably is

[crystal arrow]

i'm rank 22 already

[nocturne void]

Whens ze shoopuff

[gaunt star]

saw a rank 22 2 hours ago b4 i left the new area

i went from 12 to 17 i think

[kindred rampart]

out of all the elements that didn't make it to the final concepts to FF11 and then adapted to 14. The neck survived. . .it. . .adapted

[nocturne void]

I've been getting into the only real content that matters

[primal swift]

can i skip the credits at the end of 5.55

[nocturne void]

Triple Triad

[gaunt star]

yes

[primal swift]

anything i'll miss?

[nocturne void]

concept art

[gaunt star]

no, the cutscenes will play after the credits

[forest magnet]

no

[faint dagger]

So is this 180 runs a one-time step?

[nocturne void]

yes

[faint dagger]

thank lord.

[nocturne void]

look at pin

[oak pike]

180 what

[forest magnet]

At the end of the cutscenes u end up back at Rising Stones no cutscene until you talk to the last objective.

[gaunt star]

[wind bough]

It is safe to skip credits, you will not miss any cutscenes or anything

[versed hill]

meanwhile people in my instance already shouting dilrada stuff

[wind bough]

It is always safe to skip credits in this game

[slate badger]

is diralda like CLL? or is it instanced?

[crystal arrow]

good, good

[gaunt star]

how much mettle u need for rank 23? xd

[crystal arrow]

15,602,000

[wind bough]

CLL

[gaunt star]

wtf

[wet crown]

it doesn't matter how much mettle you need, you always gain about the same relative amount

[slate badger]

CALLED IT LMAO

[crystal arrow]

er wait, for 23-24 you mean? idk

[bold condor]

send noods. no not nudes. send noodle necks.

[gaunt star]

send nods

[bold condor]

WoL approved

[crystal arrow]

I get like 240k mettle per skirmish tho

[nocturne void]

good king moggle mog good king mog

[slate badger]

is it as bad as castrum? e.g. waiting for an hour for a pop

[wet crown]

castrum pops faster with every completed CE

[crystal arrow]

we have absolutely no idea yet, barely anyone is high enough rank to even do it lol

[kindred rampart]

I'm a rank behind the next Bozja quest thus I won't be able to progress shit until the weekend when I have more time

[fossil lava]

does anyone know where the deinochycus mount drops?

[nocturne void]

not yet

[torpid yoke]

it's probably gonna be as hard as castrum. Some people have 8 manned it though

[crystal arrow]

you can 8 man castrum too (even pre 5.55) so that doesn't mean much

[slate badger]

my biggest concern is with the ease of getting inside and getting a doable run

[nocturne void]

lizzers

[torpid yoke]

i mean. i didnt say you couldnt 8 man castrum im just saying some people have done it

[latent stream]

Do we know what raids give which drop for the relics?

[forest magnet]

A bit sad I didn't get a new outfit but an emote is fine. It's a nice one too.

[gaunt star]

man i have only 6 clusters

i need a riding map smhhh

[slate badger]

like if you got less than, what, 30 people in castrum it was probably a doomed run (or just enough people to not get the echo buff but not enough people to make up for it)

[half phoenix]

then farm some clusters?

[fossil lava]

^

[crystal arrow]

It seems like one of the items drops only from CEs, the other from skirmishes for each respective zone

[gaunt star]

💤

[supple kite]

I’ve had multiple sub 20 runs go really well

It depends on the instance

[latent stream]

Yeah I know that I meant via raids since CEs are super inconsistent

[next quarry]

Sath your au ra looks like mine

[half phoenix]

I'm more curious which is the guaranteed drop, the raids or zadnor skirmishes/criticals

[kindred rampart]

outfit rolling over to the beginning of the expansion could be the case

[torpid yoke]

skirmishes

[half phoenix]

Skirmishes ARE the guaranteed this time?

[latent stream]

Both guaranteed but there's 2 different types of drop from Skirmishes and CEs and you need 30 of each

[slate badger]

mmm, in my own experience low amounts of people usually screwed over the bottom side because of the stack lines' damage not being scaled down with the rest

[torpid yoke]

ive gotten at least one every skirmish ive done

[half phoenix]

Finally!

how many do you get from the raids???

[latent stream]

1

[fossil lava]

getting the skirmish-related drop is easy, its the CE ones that takes a bit of time. Only because CEs pop less

[half phoenix]

skirmishes it is then

[latent stream]

And we don't know which drop drops which material

[gaunt star]

I dont knwo 100% but considering how it works inside zadnor
Spare parts -> alexander raids
The books -> omega raids
The... Memory thingies -> eden raids

I don't know how it drops though

[dusty raft]

hey does someone has found how to start to farm the suns with mettle after rank 25 pls ?

[torpid yoke]

why the hell would i go into the raids when i can make more money from zadnor XD

[prime zinc]

CE pops so little

[gaunt star]

Also its 100% drop rate inside zadnor. You get 2 from a CE

[latent stream]

You need 30 skirmish drops and 30 ce drops

You get 2 from every ce

[fossil lava]

so im wondering if theres a way to just make up for the CE-drops through raids

[coarse pond]

I have finished the story, therefore i may finally lurk in here

[prime zinc]

I've got 30 of the omega fate books, and only 4 of the CE ones

they pop way too little...

[gaunt star]

I dont know how it works outside of zandor

[half phoenix]

and is it split by section of the map again, like Bozja was?

[latent stream]

Yes

[torpid yoke]

kill more magitek mobs then

[gaunt star]

Also do we know what level is the new thingy? 22 or 25?

[crystal arrow]

oh by the way, there is a red chocobo skirmish in zone 3

[latent stream]

25

[prime zinc]

probably like 24 or 25

[gaunt star]

Is it actually 25

[latent stream]

Yes

[gaunt star]

Yikes

[prime zinc]

it's honestly pretty fast

[latent stream]

I'm 24 and haven't unlocked yet

[distant sonnet]

Belias wrecked people. It was wild

[gaunt star]

I hate belias

[torpid yoke]

was in there for an instance and a half and im at level 23

[fallow ferry]

So, do we still not have any explanation for Lunar Odin existing

[slate badger]

how did everyone else do in the CE with the triple enrage in the first zone?

[gaunt star]

Lunar odin was just summoned

[wintry niche]

The one with all the sanuwa-looking critters?

[latent stream]

You can use lost death

[torpid yoke]

It becomes so easy when you learn freflect works on everything there

[slate badger]

yeah. first time i got it, we all wiped

[gaunt star]

Wiped first time because we didnt realise how to make the safe spot / death wall so we wiped to enrage cuz not enough people
2nd was fine

[wintry niche]

We wiped the first time, then got a second run with most of the same people and did fine.

[fallow ferry]

Ok but how, there's nobody they could even put in a tower to create it

[slate badger]

rule of cool

[fallow ferry]

As far as we know there is literally nobody who worships Odin, and only 1 dude is tempered by him can exist at once

[kind lark]

Just seen someone get 25

[torpid yoke]

dont question it just let it happen

[slate badger]

could steal a bunch of people and use their fear and loathing as a base for the primal

[fallow ferry]

Idk I feel we're owed an explanation, are they retconning Odin to be a normal primal now

[prime zinc]

If you have 30 of one of the 6 drops, I guess you can still get more?

[torpid yoke]

also we now know how tempering works so really someone could just replicate tempering and just plant odin worship in someone

[bold condor]

fordola.jpg

[fallow ferry]

That just seems unnecessarily complicated though

[torpid yoke]

not really? Its simple

[forest magnet]

Fastest highlander on two wheels.

[slate badger]

it's just Temper people to Odin -> Make Odin, no?

[crystal arrow]

that's really... not that complicated

[bold condor]

Literally all you need is people who fear Odin enough to be willing to summon him for the Telophoroi. That's it. That's literally all you need.

[nocturne void]

I fear odin

[subtle pasture]

I assumed when they said the Telphoroi’s forces had stormed through Xelphatol, Coerthas, and in trajectory to Carteneau— yeah they prob picked him up in the shroud

[bold condor]

People focus so much on Zantetsuken, LITERALLY LIKE FIVE PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT THAT.

[forest magnet]

Lunar Behemoth would've been neat

[nocturne void]

in mentor roulette

[torpid yoke]

behemoth isnt a primal though

[bold condor]

Like, if you pick up a bunch of random Shroud people and temper them to summon Odin, they're not going to summon the sword.

[slate badger]

odin is one of the more manageable "ex" primals imo

[bold condor]

It's literally a question that demands no real answer.

[gaunt star]

Hey what was the confluence thing in the steppes they were talking about

[forest magnet]

i mean this is evident by the fact that lunar odin doesn't leave behind a sword

Fandaniel probably kidnapped some Keeper poachers

[bold condor]

Or Duskwight bandits. Or just Gridanian townies.

[nocturne void]

All the salt from PVPrs

[fallow ferry]

Do most people even know about Odin anymore though? He was gone for like a few calamities and then showed up for a second, and we killed it, then someone picked up the sword again

[signal vault]

lost reflect is now useless, lol

[torpid yoke]

uhhhh the thingy thing

[forest magnet]

the icon is the fuckin housing item im dyin

[signal vault]

infinite reflect

[bold condor]

He's been terrorizing the Shroud for five bleedin' years... /merchantvoice

[slate badger]

return use items are also nice

[gaunt star]

No. This is just for people who dont want to waste an entire lost action slot

[torpid yoke]

Nah lost reflect is useful since you use one light curtain per use

[gaunt star]

So i guess you could argue it is. But 1 use vs. 99 uses

[signal vault]

ah

i thought it was aciton, me dumb dumb

this thing is good tho

[torpid yoke]

i think the house of the crooked coin

no new text for mol granny QuQ

[slate ridge]

so in endwalker we're going to sharlayan to convince them to join the fight and figure out how to dismantle the towers?

[forest magnet]

something like that

[gaunt star]

Convince them and also figure out what they're hiding

[open verge]

And mess up their bunker

[forest magnet]

Krile gonna smuggle us in crates or something

[oak pike]

And have a stern conversation with the dad

[open verge]

If labyrinthos is under sharlayan which I’m 100 certain it is

[oak pike]

Lbyrinthos gotta be there

[open verge]

Or under somewhere wouldn’t be the first time they relocated

[terse cargo]

so i just got home(YAY MSQ TIME) i turn on happy just for the hell of it,and he's already rank 23.....is the mettle grind that much easier at least to rank 25 this time around cause of the honor system?

[open verge]

It’s fast ye

[slate badger]

mettle gain is just proportionally more i think

[open verge]

He’s also been playing all day

[nocturne void]

So how does the rankup mettle work

[torpid yoke]

Mettle grinding was never really hard but yes its fast

[nocturne void]

the 10 stck thing

[forest magnet]

fucker you need to be 15 to enter Zadnor?

[terse cargo]

@torpid yoke never said it was hard :D,i remember 1-15 taking me slightly longer lol,i mean yeah happys been on since probbly sercer launch,but that seems fast even for him

[gaunt star]

no, just finish the bozja story

[prime zinc]

not really worth going zadnor before being there on the relic

imo

[torpid yoke]

You need to have dont delubrum and 15 iirc

[gaunt star]

u dont need to be 15, i entered at rank 12

[crystal arrow]

Jesus.... 23-24 requires 20,516,000 mettle lol

[torpid yoke]

takes 1 lock out to get to like 22

[prime zinc]

you get a lot of relic progress ranking up

[gaunt star]

just finish the bozja southern front story

[wet crown]

we will clog their toilets and make trashy shipping notes in their oldest and most valuable historian books

[maiden lodge]

Remember when you were level 1 and looking at the 500 you needed to level and if someone told you it took 56 million to level from 79-80 it'd seem a lot.... but it wasn't?

[torpid yoke]

just dont die to shit and you get to 25 easy

[prime zinc]

how much mettle is rank 25?

[oak pike]

Damn I need to grind ct for my axe law n order step

[distant sonnet]

Actually, thats an interesting thought. You don't need Zantetsuken to make Lunar Odin, huh. Just.. anyone who'd summon Lunar Odin by being especially awestruck by Odin.

[maiden lodge]

2 million. 15 is 700k.

[prime zinc]

it's a lot more

[slate badger]

but i still have 11 fucking artifacts to goooooooo

[prime zinc]

It's definitely not 2mil

[gaunt star]

2,8m for rank 18

[simple valve]

24-25 = 25,870,000 lol

[maiden lodge]

Still it scales, meh

[slate badger]

well, ought to be more fun to grind mettle in DR than in Southern Front 2

[prime zinc]

DR gives almost no mettle relatively

[gaunt star]

DRs mettle got buffed too

[prime zinc]

Didn't it just get buffed by like 50% so it'll give less than a fate in zadonr

[oak pike]

DR gives mettle?

[maiden lodge]

Who cares what the mettle total is, what's the % you get from skirmishes and CEs and stuff? If you don't know that, throwing out raw numbers is meaningless

[kind lark]

Yeah

[gaunt star]

tho idk how much it gives now

[maiden lodge]

It was 50k a pop before the buff at 14. Dunno how it scales past.

[gaunt star]

they buffed the DR mettle with todays patch but idk anyone who may have runned it xd

[maiden lodge]

I think 15->25 is about the same as the proportion of mettle from 10->15 so this is fine.

[torpid yoke]

yea. Would work for any person or primal in principle

[simple valve]

how do you even enter Dalriada

[crystal arrow]

be rank 25 and do the quests

[torpid yoke]

you do the quest to unlock it and wait for it to spawn

[simple valve]

i'm 25

[torpid yoke]

like castrum lacus latore

[signal vault]

the new relic is grindy

[nocturne void]

Guys

[signal vault]

like 30 of each

[nocturne void]

GUYS

[uncut gale]

Better than the stormblood step imo

[next quarry]

CORN

[nocturne void]

I have IMPORTANT NEWS

[wet crown]

you do the first 3 steps only once

[nocturne void]

SO IMPORTANT I'M DOING THIS

[fossil lava]

Im not sure if its similiar to CLL but, Dalriada only spawns if theres sufficient number of people who can actually take it. So 48 Rank 25 in one instance. Similar to how Baledsion Arsenal fate is spawned

[oak pike]

What’s up corn

[next quarry]

Triple triad?

[nocturne void]

Okay, now that the wait is over

[signal vault]

30 raid of each ?

[torpid yoke]

thats a one time step

[next quarry]

OH

[signal vault]

but i only need 1 weapon man

[nocturne void]

New fish dropped

[next quarry]

MY GOD

[heady shadow]

let me know how hard it is to get

[nocturne void]

LOOK AT HIM

[slate badger]

YOOOOOO this almost makes up for cruise chaser

[signal vault]

what is next step

[crystal arrow]

also its

fucking snowing in zadnor

[oak pike]

[slate badger]

snowing? that's a first

[oak pike]

That a mount or something?

[nocturne void]

minion probs

[versed hill]

fish

[next quarry]

Fish

[brisk silo]

how do u get new hairstyle???

[loud violet]

which alexander raids give the compact axles and springs?

[next quarry]

Lockbox

[brisk silo]

ty

[versed hill]

lockbox but prices are crashing hard, just buy it

[next quarry]

I'm willing to pay 2.5 mil for the hair if anyone on aether wants to sell

[versed hill]

i sold for 8mil a few hours ago its now 3mil

ez money

[soft gyro]

ffxiv intentionally padding the ending title so they can get an another wr

[torpid yoke]

dalraida and DR stuff

[signal vault]

how many times ?

[torpid yoke]

man cant wait to get my damage buff shit so i can juice even more in DR

15 times unless they drop multiple memories (which they probably dont atm)

[signal vault]

is it an upgrade from 515 to 535 or is there another non glowly step

[next quarry]

Non glow step

[signal vault]

wtf

[twilit rover]

this gonna sound stupid but

[digital forge]

Is there a non-glow step for the final relic weapon?

[next quarry]

Yes

[twilit rover]

any primal gamer who are r25, wanna instance together to try to get a dali ce instance?

[versed hill]

replica

[pulsar current]

so are CE's the only way to get compact springs?

[versed hill]

you can get a matte replica

[crystal arrow]

CEs in zone 1, yeah

[drowsy ivy]

Is there an album for the new relics?

[digital forge]

okay sweet i'll just finish my relic and snag the non-glow replica

[pulsar current]

thats the only way huh, damn

[terse cargo]

dude.....that very first cutscene in 5.5 p2 just gave me seventh astral era vibes

[twilit rover]

the other way is clearing alexander normal raid

[pulsar current]

i only got a axle tho

is it random for alex normal?

[subtle pasture]

....oh no,

[signal vault]

just do fates

[subtle pasture]

||( Dabog Pt 2, for context )||

[twilit rover]

z3 CE is non-existent

[crystal arrow]

... is the choice in these quests whether mikoto lives or dies

[surreal tartan]

So do you get the two types randomly? If so, is there a chance you could end up with 45 axles and 15 springs and need to grind 15 more?

[signal vault]

ye

[pulsar current]

fuckin rip

[surreal tartan]

Fun

[pulsar current]

and i assume the other two are the same

[signal vault]

i think it's best to just stop at 2nd stage now

[versed hill]

z2 too

[signal vault]

3rd stage seems to not worth it

[versed hill]

im sure theyre just bugged at this point because jesus wheres the spawns lmao

[celest snow]

i like this emote 😄

[pulsar current]

i mean im goin for the substats not the glam

and considering i cleared e9s for the first time last night....

[lethal nebula]

only reason to go for them is for the stats for me

means i dont need to farm e12s for the rest of my weapons

and means sps blm is competitive again

[wet crown]

yupp...

I was sweating bullets earlier, too.

[torpid yoke]

I'm sorry pash

[wet crown]

Apparently Marsak tries to call out to him during one of his new fates.

[faint dagger]

gonna be here a minute

[wet crown]

They seemed to have tempered even more with him

and I'm just about to break down in tears when he ends up being a boss

[torpid yoke]

More like all of them

[crystal arrow]

you'll get a lot of them just thru mettle grinding

[twilit rover]

z2 there's plenty. Z3 I hadnt seen one in my 6 hours grind to r25

[signal vault]

z2 ?

[versed hill]

ive only done belias and fenrir for z2

[crystal arrow]

there's barely anyone at Z3 yet is why. CEs spawn because of skirmishes getting completed

[restive mountain]

So did the datamine of being able to buy Early to Rise with gold coins follow through?

[versed hill]

nah

[torpid yoke]

I'm almost done with 2 of the quests just from a full instance

[crystal arrow]

yes

[signal vault]

what are these acronyms

[versed hill]

z3 skirmishes are being completed here, no spawn

[restive mountain]

Haven't been able to find it in a vendor for gold coins yet

[keen lantern]

Sorry for busting in on this conversation, but has anyone completed the new solo duty? I'm having a hard time clearing Lunar Odin, even on very easy.

[signal vault]

[torpid yoke]

CE's spawn from killing magitek mobs

[versed hill]

just dodge aoes

[signal vault]

it's pretty ez

[versed hill]

odin is who again, alisaie?

[maiden lodge]

That's new.

[versed hill]

Not all CEs

[torpid yoke]

It's not

[maiden lodge]

Pretty sure in BSF every CE keyed off a specific skirmish.

[faint dagger]

Odin is Urianger, and and I didn't struggle at all

[versed hill]

nah

[keen lantern]

Right, I've been doing that. But I keep failing midway through the fight when he runs through the middle of the arena

[torpid yoke]

Nope

[maiden lodge]

Which ones... dont?

[versed hill]

some like the one that spawns vigil is from magitek

[stiff charm]

look at his sword

[crystal arrow]

A lot of CEs are triggered by skirmishes.

[keen lantern]

Nobody dies so I don't know what I'm doing wrong.

[versed hill]

wait thats a skirmish pepega clap

[stiff charm]

the aether thing is probably dying, keep it above 70% or so

[keen lantern]

AH! thank you.

[torpid yoke]

Specific ones like the duel ones. Mind you not all of them spawn from killing magitek mobs

[versed hill]

er

vigil is from skirmish, chocobo is from skirmish, metal fox is from skirmish

[maiden lodge]

The B1 and B2 duels trigger from CEs triggered by skirmishes.

[versed hill]

those are the duel ones

[maiden lodge]

Yeah

[versed hill]

metal fox spawns from the sautavoir skirmish

[next oriole]

er, aren't those things shiva ex gear? why would it give lvl 80 stuff?

[torpid yoke]

To get the skirmish for the duels you need to kill magitek mobs

[versed hill]

but you said CEs not skirmish

[maiden lodge]

not the same thing.

[versed hill]

Sure the skirmish spawns CE afterwards but thats not the same thing lol

[maiden lodge]

Triggering skirmies is easy

[gaunt cradle]

are the star enemies in zanador still deathable?

[versed hill]

Ye

[torpid yoke]

[gaunt cradle]

time for more dice rolling

[supple kite]

[slate badger]

perhaps the items only appear once you have level ~80 desynth level

80 in relative to ilvl

[gaunt cradle]

12 forgotten frags of histroy awww yiss

[versed hill]

lodestone

is so good for lazy me

[slate badger]

still worth something

[gaunt cradle]

i dunno wtf lodestone does

[slate badger]

its just return

[wet crown]

but instant

[gaunt cradle]

dank

[slate badger]

but in a consumable item

[wet crown]

it's the best thing they added with zadnor

[maiden lodge]

Does it share a cooldown with return?

[versed hill]

what even is light curtain for

[wet crown]

it gives you reflect

[maiden lodge]

Unlimited use reflect.

[slate badger]

can make you block some magic spells

[versed hill]

OH its unlimited use

[slate badger]

no, it's single time use per item

[versed hill]

then why would i run it and not lost reflect

other than saving a slot

[slate badger]

if you don't want to give up a slot for lost reflect

[coarse raptor]

Cause it doesn't take the slot

[wet crown]

because it allows you to use reflect with 2 other actions

[versed hill]

mm I guess I just never really used reflect outside of sprite cheesing

[wet crown]

you can cheese red chocobos with it

[maiden lodge]

That'd not be bad for DR I guess

[versed hill]

oh yea true for DR I guess

[signal vault]

why fates in Zadnor not drop the fragment anymore ?

[graceful heron]

have we found out where the new hairstyle is from

[wet crown]

lockboxes

[heady shadow]

lockbox

[versed hill]

lockbox

[graceful heron]

wooo

[versed hill]

because fragments clearly state they drop in BSF and not Zadnor?

[signal vault]

oh

so there's reason to stay in BSF

[prisma vine]

so anyone finish zadnor story yet? i am at work and I'm wondering who all dies. saw that some of the prior field baddies are still around in Unfortunate Ways

[versed hill]

one of the CEs is pretty dark lol, some of the old baddies ||resurrect as zombies||

not to mention ||Dabog||

[twilit rover]

I wish I could rewind time that I dont have to do this

[versed hill]

||We just wanna save him but he ends up becoming hypertuned||

Belias is easy tbh

The bombs all have a fixed pattern, theyre not random

[twilit rover]

it's the protean that screwed the party usually

[restive mountain]

Anyone know where this is from yet?

[versed hill]

yea thats what I mean the protean has a fixed pattern

[prisma vine]

ye that's what i meant by Unfortunate lol, more wondering if ppl like Marsak bite it

[slate badger]

protean? what the heck does proteans look like with 48 people

[versed hill]

im guessing they meant cone aoes

[signal vault]

i still don't get why the hell does mob in Bozjan and Zadnor chase you for so long

[slate badger]

pretending to be ffxi

[signal vault]

like if you are not on mount and accidentally go pass 2-3 mob, they will kill you easily

or if you demount at fate

[slate badger]

i once got autoed by a dullahan model mob for 54k damage, almost got one shot

[nocturne void]

protean? You mean.....1/1/1/1/1/1/1/1?

this is a joke btw

[viscid monolith]

Proteans are the cone aoes that target players

[versed hill]

BSF has taught me the art of mob aggro dodging

[signal vault]

where can i find such art

[soft gyro]

will zenos have his own voidsent now that he is a reaper???

[versed hill]

just dont walk infront of em LOL

[viscid monolith]

Dulahans you just walk past. They have sound aggro.

[gaunt star]

got it, 87 boxes

[viscid monolith]

Generally if the mob doesn't have eyes it's sound aggro

[faint dagger]

So what memories do the raids drop? Both? Random? Either?

[viscid monolith]

RELIC STEPS:
NON REPEATABLE QUESTS:
Step 1: 60 (30 of Each) Compact Axles and Compact Springs from Skirmishes and CEs in Zadnor. Or Alexander Raids
Step 2: 60 (30 of each) A Day in the Life: Battle for the Realm, A Day in the Life: Beyond the Rift from Skirmishes and CEs in Zadnor. Or Omega Raids.
Step 3: 60 (30 of each) Bleak memories of the Dying and Lurid memories of the Dying from Skirmishes and CEs in Zadnor. Or Eden Raids.
REPEATABLE QUEST"
Step 4: 15 Raw Emotions from DR or Dalriada. Or Level 70 dungeons or HoH

It's in the pins btw

[faint dagger]

yes, that doesn't answer the question

again, what memories do the raids drop? Does Eden drop Lurid or Bleak? How do I know?

[signal vault]

is that everything to get 535 ilvl ?

[viscid monolith]

I assume first 2 drops 1 and 2nd 2 drops the other.

[faint dagger]

looking for solid info

[viscid monolith]

Test it dude it's the first day

[frigid ferry]

it seems like that the loot is fixed in these turns

I'm farming A1 now and it drops only the shafts

[faint dagger]

you're... not looking at the actual alexander loot are you?

[frigid ferry]

No, i'm talking about the relic drops

only had axles so far from a1

in five runs

[gaunt star]

just read the image i posted

[viscid monolith]

Image doesn't answer his question either.

[faint dagger]

Read your own! It doesn't answer the question

[gaunt star]

oh well

[viscid monolith]

Literally just test it yourself dude

[faint dagger]

I would, but asking if anyone else had seemed a fair first resort. Seemingly not.

[versed hill]

some people have said 15 e1n yielded only bleaks

[neat edge]

just a grind to artificially make time for content. Me at not even resistance rank 10

[nocturne void]

It's likely going to be split down the middle

[versed hill]

likely just rng

[nocturne void]

1-6 axles

[crystal arrow]

Relics are always a grind.

[gaunt star]

^

[unborn shadow]

So uh

[versed hill]

esp considering how theyre obtained in zadnor its safe to assume the second mats are just rare in raids

[viscid monolith]

"Artificially"

[nocturne void]

Try doing the later raids

[unborn shadow]

Are the materials you get from CEs in zadnor an RNG chance from their respective raids or...?

[wet crown]

relics are pure glamour

[nocturne void]

Try doing A8

or 12

[unborn shadow]

Because I haven't seen a CE up north yet

So may as well

[crimson pollen]

A new hour has started, time to renew stan Hyddy photo:

[polar crater]

I get strong mommy vibes from her.

[maiden lodge]

That was no different than BSF. It takes time for people to get there and work it regularly.

[gaunt star]

well shes hydaelyn technically so

[unborn shadow]

Oh yeah I just want to be done if I can take another way for it

[viscid monolith]

Now people can shut up about evil Hydaelyn for the rest of all time

[gaunt star]

lmfao no, people think shes evil cause shes on the EW poster

[maiden lodge]

The days of naughty Hydaelyn however....

[polar crater]

So either Graha or Alisae are going to be turned into Odin now. Kinda sucks for them.

[heady shadow]

god dont enable the hydaelyn cultists....

[viscid monolith]

Go back, GO BACK

[gaunt star]

no

[crimson pollen]

Reddit gone mad. They making all kinds of spins to say this is evil, lol

[maiden lodge]

Puhlease everyone knows Alisae is going to be abducted and turned into Titania

[crystal arrow]

that's not how this works

[polar crater]

Who ever lands the last hit gets turned into Odin.

[wet crown]

Theory : Hydaelyn promises Sharlayan succor as long as they keep their meats flat

[gaunt star]

the person who literally gave u power is evil by telling ure the planets hope, gg wp theorists

[heady shadow]

its less who gets the last hit and more who is follish to pick up the stupid sword

[neat edge]

the moment she said "hear" gave me ptsd

[gaunt star]

feel..think

[dawn basin]

/me

"I'm captain Basch fon Ronsenburg of Dalmasca!!"

[polar crater]

I skip the intro on alts so its been a few good uh several years since i heard it.

[neat edge]

I'm like don't do that to me.

[versed hill]

wow its the rare z3 ce lmao

[tight marlin]

so....do u guys think Daddy Twins already knows the world is gonna come to an end, so that's why they have the underground bunkers shown in the fanfest?

[native oyster]

I just wanna listen to the bozja song that was in the 5.5 trailer ...

[gaunt star]

[neat edge]

ex-daddy twins

[polar crater]

Anyone else find it weird that Penelo, the healer, her gear is the basis for the DPS classes. I mean sure she is a dancer, but that's a healer class in ivalice.

[maiden lodge]

1. It's not a healer class. Definately not in FFT.

[versed hill]

wtf its ||aite roite||

[tight marlin]

technically ex children

[maiden lodge]

2. Yes, the dancer should be the basis of dancer

[dawn basin]

And why is Larsa's the HEALING gear?

All that little shit has is high potions and my dead GRANDMA can use that shit

[tight marlin]

Dancers werent a thing in FF12 i think

[nocturne void]

I'm Captain Basch!

[tight marlin]

she's a Dancer in FFT Advance 2 i believe, which wasnt a strict healer

[dawn basin]

She's a white mage in Revenant wings though

[maiden lodge]

I mean their options were kinda limited

[polar crater]

Dancer healer in Revenenat wings.

Kawaii is wrong.

[dawn basin]

Don't listen to Ondore's lies!

[opaque hemlock]

when do the Zadnor armors become viewable in game? when you have the Darialda unlocked?

[maiden lodge]

Dancer's not a healer in FFT. It's a battlefield-wide debuffer

[tight marlin]

Penelo in FFTA2 was a unique dancer

[tough fern]

Eyy Penelo gear

Never really liked the look myself but cool it's there now

[versed hill]

lmao i like how this boss has aite roite mechanics

[polar crater]

In A2, Penelo has access to the Viera jobs which makes her a very powerful MAGIC USER, not a melee or physical dps.

[opaque hemlock]

if only it was RW Penelo gear ;(

[slate tangle]

do we have any data on how normal raid drops work?

are they guaranteed from certain raids or is it a split rng

[gaunt star]

btw how we unlock the bozja mount?

[polar crater]

Also straight up, ngl, would have prefered Penelo's RW/A2 gear.

[neat edge]

fourchenault sus Leveilleur

[hollow lily]

i was rather disappointed with how we waited for those 3 quests....like they could of just put them in the other patch XD

[crimson pollen]

It's clear Ameliance will be the hero of the hour for us. She'll side with the kids and whatnot.

[polar crater]

Using XII penelo's gear for dancer gear is like using Yuna's summoner gear for the machinist class instead of her gunner dressphere.

[maiden lodge]

It's traditional to split it up. Always has been.

[gaunt star]

[polar crater]

She is so gonna die grusomely in front of fouchenault.

[hollow lily]

||Also a distinct lack of death in death unto dawn lol||

[gaunt star]

wdym lack of death

[versed hill]

||arenvald's legs died||

[nocturne void]

Fate: The Couch

[slate badger]

|| they didn't introduce Dawn, of course she couldn't have died yet ||

[faint dagger]

ooh yeah. 'hi honey, i disowned the kids'?

[polar crater]

As did his, am I allowed to say the v-ity word?

[nocturne void]

vity?

[slate badger]

viriginity

[nocturne void]

Hey

his dick works

[maiden lodge]

vitality? No, it should not matter in your minmaxing. /s

[nocturne void]

just not his legs

[hollow lily]

||There was death of soldiers sure....but when you have all the main city leaders etc on the artwork and its titled that way....just a bit of a whimper moment. Sort of thought they may have killed one of them off||

[polar crater]

Talkin bout fordola, bub.

[gaunt star]

no

[neat edge]

People did die.

[polar crater]

The patche's theme was sacrifice. Everyone on the cover was sacrificing there friends and family.

[gaunt cradle]

do the star enemies of the other zanador areas drop history fragments or other shit?

[crimson pollen]

Looking forward to the forum posts complaining about the lack of death from known characters

[polar crater]

Well the memory of papalymo died.

[hollow lily]

EW needs to kill like crazy 😛

[nocturne void]

I like how they mentioned the Sylphs trading consortium from the Allied beast quests

[neat edge]

Bring on the deus ex machina

[polar mortar]

Could the Nier quests credits highlighting the choice between dwarves near the beginning be trying to hint at something being hidden in replaying via NG+ and choosing the opposite?

[crimson pollen]

Guess either in EW itself or 6.1, we gonna have a huge remake of the GC system. This GC of Eorzea thing might be the key to work in one system itself instead of 3 different ones for the future

[neat edge]

Either way, 6 months you WoLs

[polar crater]

spaghetti code says nah

[hollow lily]

Outside of some select side characters....14 seems to not harm any crucial individual....like where is the threat at the end of the day. Then I worry with the FF4 themes they may kill people only for them to return XD

[polar crater]

When has 14 ever brought back a dead character?

[signal vault]

When Lyse die dude

[maiden lodge]

Harsh truth: Just because it worked for Game of Thrones doesn't mean it works for all stories.

[signal vault]

@polar crater Nanamo

[maiden lodge]

it has an entire in game explanation for this

[polar mortar]

@polar crater Yeah, probably. Just was hoping for a little more to it I guess...

[crimson pollen]

Like I said. Just let us beat the final villain and have Tidus smiley face saying we did good. The End. This is perfect.

[polar crater]

Like a character that actually died and was brought back superman style.

[terse cargo]

this solo duty....holy fuck,its been nothing like i thought it would be,about to engage lunar odin

[uncut swift]

Can anyone explain to make the last cutscene before credits? Like, wow everyone looking at the moon, yes, this is the moon. And yes it was kinda glowy but what's the deal? Or that was just setting mood for EW

[hollow lily]

Well main cast wise no there hasnt because as stated they dont have the balls for it XD

[polar crater]

Besides Zombie zenos that is.

[vivid aurora]

wait we're still getting a 5.56 right?

[neat edge]

tomes will get uncapped eventually etc

[polar crater]

5.56 won't be a content patch iirc.

[versed hill]

5.56 tomestone double cap, savage loot

[maiden lodge]

It's nothing to do with balls. Most stories don't kill of major characters to satisfy reader bloodthirst. It is done sparingly for narrative effect, if done best, unless you're going for a superbleak tone. FF14's a theme about hope, not bleakness.

[versed hill]

5.57 stronger echo

5.58 dc travel

[polar crater]

Nope. I was cracking jokes as it played. "Hey guys why you looking at the moon, ohhhh pretty, shiny, sparkly."

[uncut swift]

That's what I thought lol

[polar crater]

I'm kinda getting tired of characters getting killed off at the end of the story. It's so cheap, like too scared to kill of mid story, but now that the stoery is over they aren't needed so kill em for clickbait.