retired-patch-6-3-discussion

[turbid helm]

6 months until the game releases

[soft maple]

If By interactivity, you mean using ogcds in between attacks then yeah, that'll be awesome

Guy who came up with gnb gameplay was a genius

Do I think that guy should've been on the monk team? Yes, but that's a rant I'll not get into

[turbid helm]

My issue with GNB is that it's hard to find other tank jobs fun afterwards

[soft maple]

Lmao

I would switch to gnb but I love war's nascent flash

[turbid helm]

Not sure if I miss Dark Arts, but I'd like it if DRK had a bit more depth to it

job just feels way too basic now

[soft maple]

Yeaaaaa. That's how I feel with monk right now

[torpid yoke]

dark arts never really added depth

[turbid helm]

I wouldn't mind another resource to manage

[open verge]

I don’t get why you would be worried about the job reveal trailers they always show nothing

I wouldnt expect reaper to be wildly different from all the other jobs too

Temper your expectations on what the job will be doing imo

[wispy bolt]

What if Tataru is the smallest Magus Sister? That bitch.

[soft maple]

You can be worried about anything. Even if it shows nothing, that sort of worry is always present anytime they introduce a new class. No one wants a dud job

[wet crown]

XIV players : I adore all the new QoL features they added last patch! I have so much fun now!

Also XIV players : I prefered when AST was casino mage and when playing MNK felt like having blood shoot out of your bladder every 2,34 secs

[soft maple]

I mean, yeah lmao

4.2(?) Monk was best monk that I've ever played

[wet crown]

I bet it was.

[viscid monolith]

They want jobs to feel like sticking hot needles in your eye and the rest of the game to be as easy as possible.

[wet crown]

When a mechanic doesn't break your ankles with a nailbat, then the whole job isn't fun to play.

[soft maple]

One of my friends keep complaining that the game keeps getting harder and harder. And I look at them and always tell them "look what level you are now. You have big boy pants now"

[wet crown]

No expansion's final boss will be as "hard" as Shinryu because people are just so

[soft maple]

Yeah and I hate that. I LOVED that shinryu was hard. Felt really old school

[open verge]

4.2 monk was unintended but 5.4 is great

[wet crown]

it was literally just a remix of ARR primals with one new mechanic, which happened right at the start

[torpid yoke]

but shinryu was never hard

[wet crown]

oh, you didn't see how frustrated I was on 4.0's release

[open verge]

5.4 monk sets the job up for a great set of expansion skills which is exactly why I’m so scared of what they do

[soft maple]

5.4 is just baseline. Don't really like it compared to 4.2

[open verge]

I hated double tk

[soft maple]

I loved it

[torpid yoke]

the hardest part of shinryu was the servers fckn dying when i was trying to do in in early access

[soft maple]

Lol

It may or may not have been hard but I distinctly remember wiping a LOT with that fight

[open verge]

I remember wiping does the fight have a check point?

[wet crown]

No.

[soft maple]

No

[open verge]

I also remember people asking for it to be nerf being stupid so I guess I didn’t struggle that much

Did they actually nerf it though?

[wet crown]

people didn't do their job quests and then even refused to get better gear

They didn't nerf it, thankfully.

[open verge]

Yea I remember that being a big issue of people not having their level 70 skill

[floral aurora]

Best Trial
Hades Extreme > The rest

[open verge]

This expac had good trials

[soft maple]

Which is why shb forced you to get your role quests done, makes sense.

[wet crown]

but role quests didn't have skills locked behind them anymore

[open verge]

I like that they don’t force you to do quest to get your cap skill

[floral aurora]

Indeed! Imo SHB trails rekt SB trials. I honestly felt some of the HW trials were more fun than SB ones

[soft maple]

I mean yeah but they allow you to get job quests

[open verge]

Your af gear was locked behind the role quest so you would goin with some gear

[wet crown]

and people still didn't get the AF4 because they didn't talk to the NPC

[teal geyser]

This is a bonkers take what the actual fuck

[viscid monolith]

What? That was the worst part.

[torpid yoke]

more like seat of sacrifice and SoSEX

[teal geyser]

Four Lords is some of the best trials in the game
HW had Bismark
ShB is...okay, I still don't think it's best, it does however have the best trial which is specifically Hades EX

[viscid monolith]

These idiots need to be herded into doing what's beneficial for them and their team, but SE refuses.

[open verge]

?

[soft maple]

Well seat of sacrifice is pretty dope too

[torpid yoke]

Aight you cant tell me byakko was good

[open verge]

Four lords is not the best trials

[wet crown]

The devs are babysitting players instead of making them improve

[torpid yoke]

The other four lords though are 👌

[open verge]

There’s nothing to improve it’s just job quest....

[wet crown]

In general improve

[viscid monolith]

You know what made Shinryu even harder? Half of the morons in your party not having their level 70 job skill and not having their AF. They just show up in dungeon gear.

[teal geyser]

The bit when you're in the air is kinda disappointing but no it is a good fight I enjoy it a lot

[soft maple]

Yeah I feel that

[open verge]

I was talking about shb tho

[viscid monolith]

Oh

Thought we were still on Shinryu

[floral aurora]

Nani??
HW best trials
Ravana, Thordan, Sephirot, Nidhogg and Sophia
SB best trials
4.4 and 4.5 and maybe that one guy in 4.0

[open verge]

You can’t go into hades without everyone atleast having their level 80 skill which is good my bad

[floral aurora]

So how does SB trials beat HW trials

[teal geyser]

Susano is a great trial what, better than Ravana

[open verge]

This is tough but tsukyomi was a damn good trial so was suzaku and seiryuu

[torpid yoke]

how could you forget tsukuyomi?

[viscid monolith]

Heavensward had jank trial fights where you could skip mechanics if you did enough damage

[open verge]

^

[wet crown]

sKiP sOaR

[open verge]

Ravana had it the worst

[teal geyser]

Thordan is also just not a good fight, it's cool and all but it's just a bad fight

[viscid monolith]

Soar was a bad mechanic don't @ me

[open verge]

Skipping all of ravana was pretty bad

[floral aurora]

Love the evil lady but actually hated her trial and that Lak one was kind of boring

[teal geyser]

Lak is definitely the weakest trial in SB 100%

[soft maple]

Okay so I feel like you guys have to make a distinction. What makes a trial great are the mechanics/Presentation, right?

[viscid monolith]

Half of the difficulty of Soar was just geustimating where the aoe ends

[open verge]

Lak and Byakko were both terribad

[teal geyser]

Lak is still better than Bismark though

[soft maple]

Hard agree Fuck bis

[teal geyser]

Fuck you I'll defend Byakko to the death

[open verge]

I like Bismarck ex lmao

[teal geyser]

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[open verge]

That fight is garbage

[viscid monolith]

Bismarck was a nightmare at launch

[open verge]

Bismarck ex is so funny

[soft maple]

You'll spend 5 minutes on Bismarck ex even when you're level 150

[viscid monolith]

Heavensward had much harder rotations than ARR so people were doing shit damage and it was common to fail the dps chack

[open verge]

This is true I was awful in HW

[viscid monolith]

Not in 3.0

[soft maple]

I mean yeah, I guess it would be longer

[floral aurora]

Still HW wins, has 5 awesome trials and SB only has like 3

[teal geyser]

But again, Thordan isn't a good fight

[viscid monolith]

It was an 11 minute fight like every EX at minimum ilvl

[floral aurora]

SHB on the other hand has all awesome trials

[open verge]

It’s hard are we comparing EX or the fights themselves story wise and stuff

[wet crown]

Thordan is too much fancy and not enough sustenance

[teal geyser]

Actually yeah we should clarify @floral aurora

[soft maple]

I remember that. I got bis mount at like clear too so I didn't do it as much

[open verge]

If we are rating on actual fight design SB blows HW out the water

[floral aurora]

I'm actually comparing Extreme fights, so maybe that's not fair of me

[viscid monolith]

Thordan EX is a much better fight and the Phase 1 music is better than Phase 2

[soft maple]

Yeah, I think there has to be a distinction made

[viscid monolith]

Sorry guys Heroes sucks

[open verge]

Zurvan music is so good it hard carries the fight

[teal geyser]

I don't really care for it personally

[viscid monolith]

Heroes Never Die is better song title and better song

[soft maple]

Heroes gauntlet sucks?

[open verge]

It’s a weird trend but the last song of every trial series never has lyrics

[floral aurora]

I didn't hate Zurvan, it just disappointed me compared to Sephirot and Sophia

[soft maple]

Favorite of the three is seph for me.

[viscid monolith]

I don't care if an EX is hard or easy. I just want the fight to feel like a fight.

[open verge]

Sophia for me

[floral aurora]

Sophia for me

[viscid monolith]

You know what EX is awful and doesn't feel like a fight? Hades.

[soft maple]

So presentation matters more to you

[floral aurora]

[teal geyser]

In terms of a fight I think Sophia is the best warring triad fight yea

[viscid monolith]

After phase 1 you will spend 90% of your time standing in some designated spot waiting for a mechanic to resolve.

[open verge]

There’s a lot of factors that make a good trial fight for me

[soft maple]

I can't say I like Sophia all that much

[teal geyser]

Hades is my favourite because of just how much it feels like a final fight with Ascians. I forgive the mechanics for that

[soft maple]

I felt a bit detached to her

[torpid yoke]

hades EX is great idk what you mean lance

[open verge]

Innocence is a good fight I don’t care

[viscid monolith]

You know what fight feels like a real fight? Innocence.

[soft maple]

Presentation/Mechanics

[wet crown]

Diamond Weapon is an awful trial because

1. It didn't absorb a primal
2. it didn't transform into a cool phase 2 like the other two
3. it jebaited the Zenos Oversoul and pulled back from it
4. it transformed into a fucking Mecha Ifrit

[soft maple]

I think it differs from person to person on what they emphasize

[open verge]

But damn it’s a fun fight

[teal geyser]

Inno is a great EX, Tit sucks, Ruby sucks don't @ me, SoSEX is pretty alright, I never actually did Emerald and Diamond is whatever

[open verge]

I love diamond ex has a fight but it’s still disappointing

[wet crown]

How dare you bad mouth Ruby

[open verge]

Ruby sucks

[soft maple]

Ehhh the weapons are pretty meh but tit is great

[open verge]

So boring and the last phases felt like the devs cut 50% of it out

[teal geyser]

Ruby EX would go from sucks to being okay if the Nael phase wasn't so ass

[wet crown]

Blasphemers all around

this channel needs to be purged

[open verge]

Titania is fucking trash y’all got shit taste

[torpid yoke]

It did absorb a primal. It didnt pull back zenos oversoul yall just overhyped yourselves

[soft maple]

Disagree but sure

[open verge]

Orrr the story setup zenos over soul which would have been the coolest shit

[viscid monolith]

Let me put it to you like this. I play melee. If I have to leave the boss and lose uptime just to run to a designated corner and take damage it's a bad mechanic. It's filler. That isn't interesting.

[floral aurora]

Ruby EX is last place because PF ruined it for me lol

[teal geyser]

My problem with Titania is that it's just too identical to the normal

[torpid yoke]

It really didnt considering valens literally says i need something a can control not a beast

[wet crown]

then why don't you like Ruby?

[soft maple]

I feel you on that end

[teal geyser]

Me?

[wet crown]

yes, you

[viscid monolith]

Ruby has a great phase 1

[open verge]

Ruby phase 2 is bad

[floral aurora]

Before everyone does a SHB best trial
Can we all agree Hades is top dog?

[viscid monolith]

Mediocre phase 2

[teal geyser]

I said. Nael phase is fucking trash because of it's lack of difficulty and stuff

[soft maple]

Yeah, some extreme fights are just the same fight without telegraphs

[torpid yoke]

no its SoSEX

[open verge]

Sosex is best

[soft maple]

Sosex is best, I'm sorry

[floral aurora]

Well damn lol

[soft maple]

Good music, good mechs, good presentation.... there's no beating that lol

[teal geyser]

I'm not actually that big into SoSEX, I think it's just alright. Gameplay wise I prefer Inno over everything else and theme and presentation Hades

[soft maple]

I see I see

[floral aurora]

I'm not arguing with Sos, it was 2nd place for me

[soft maple]

I don't dislike any of those fights so it would be dishonest of me to be like "this fight is trash compared to this"

[viscid monolith]

I hate Diamond Weapon

[torpid yoke]

I mean....ruby phase 2 was kinda trash

[viscid monolith]

Emerald phase one is bad and dumb

[torpid yoke]

lance with all the bad takes

[soft maple]

Yeah, as a player, you start to really feel it when there are no more mechanics and you're just really playing to beat it. I hate it so much

[teal geyser]

I still remember my disappointment

[floral aurora]

I'm hoping the quality from SHB trials carry over to Endwalker or be better

[viscid monolith]

Emerald Weapon has one mechanic and it's fucking clock spots

[soft maple]

I legit don't even remember emerald. It was a one and done

[teal geyser]

Go back to SB quality k thanks bye

[torpid yoke]

i was great the first time....then you played it again

[floral aurora]

Can we all agree that ANIMA Trial better not suck at all

[teal geyser]

Yes

[floral aurora]

I'm so looking forward to that one

[torpid yoke]

Well if you hype yourself up on it its gonna be disappointing

[floral aurora]

Don't say that lol

[soft maple]

Yeah there are a LOT of hardcore FFX ten fans playing this game. The pressure is real. I'm not one of them but even I can say that there will be repercussions if it's trash.

That being said, I don't think it will end up being trash

[floral aurora]

Anima is my favorite summon in ff series. Forget Bahamut lol

[teal geyser]

Oh...I wouldn't go that far. He's up there but there are some other sick summons

[soft maple]

I think in fanfest, hearing about the insight when it comes to omega shows a lot when it comes to the process of making fights. They lead with the experience FIRST, THEN try to integrate it into a battle format which is smart, considering this is a game where 90% play for experiences and plot and whatnot

[wet crown]

It was during Fanfest when Yoshi-P said we can't have dynamic and random mechanics because of the playerbase, right?

[floral aurora]

Neo Bahamut maybe xD

[teal geyser]

FFX Bahamut

[soft maple]

I don't have a favorite summon sadly

[teal geyser]

also lowkey really love XV Bahamut design

[torpid yoke]

playerbase sucks. sorry :/

[soft maple]

XV bahamut is a dick, I'm sorry

[floral aurora]

Unpopular opinion incoming
Anima > Odin > Bahamut

Sorry all lol

[wet crown]

Anima is just a weird fetish

don't @ me

[viscid monolith]

Define random mechanics

[teal geyser]

^ because I'd say SoSEX had some

[wet crown]

Think Rathalos

[viscid monolith]

If they add random mechanics they might have to remove the enrage

[next quarry]

random order mechanics

[floral aurora]

I honestly want enrage in Dungeons but they won't

[next quarry]

like cycles

[viscid monolith]

Depending on the order you might not even get enough uptime to kill the damn boss.

[wet crown]

I actually like about Ruby how Liquifaction and Undermine can happen either first or second

[soft maple]

NO! I'll never clear some dungeons if they do that, I get REALLY bad teams at times

[viscid monolith]

Imagine getting Soar 3 times in a row

[next quarry]

just tank lb 4head

[viscid monolith]

Unless you mean the same type of random mechanics in Diamond Ex. That random is fine and works.

[soft maple]

First time I lb'ed warrior of light, I put down my controller to watch the cutscene.

I was shocked to see that the fucker actually blocked it

[torpid yoke]

dungeons gotta be accessible to everyone sorry

Same case with normal mode bosses

[wet crown]

my gripe with a lot of trials comes from the same structure they have. Too many times light parties, too many times clock spots and so on

[viscid monolith]

Some dungeon bosses use to have hard dps checks that would instant wipe the party

[pulsar current]

P3s better have math in it

Just to fuck with raiders

[torpid yoke]

yet people still struggle with it

[soft maple]

FUCK the raids are gonna be called P0s now

[next quarry]

thing is, most of the time clock spots are how we solve it

[soft maple]

That's gonna confuse me with persona lmao

[wet crown]

it sucks the fun out of a fight for me, when I already know how to do all its mechanics because the same stuff gets recycled all the time

[next quarry]

there are more than one way to do it, like mem mis fan

[soft maple]

"P5s is hard"

No it's not, that game is stupid easy

Oh you mean ffxiv

[next quarry]

pandaemonium

[wet crown]

Yes, you can only do so much with everything but...urgh, there is so little variance in what we have

[next quarry]

its easier to remember if you're used to it

[pulsar current]

For me clocks and light parties are still new

[wet crown]

I'm not asking for every trial to be random like Rathalos but I want a more dynamic structure that doesn't just involve light and clock

[viscid monolith]

I am asking for every boss to be random like Rathalos

[next quarry]

so- like titania and inno?

[soft maple]

Rathalos is trash

[next quarry]

light/clocks relies on cooperation

[floral aurora]

I'm one of those who want a Savage Dungeon roulette lol

[soft maple]

I don't think they'll ever do savage dungeons

[wet crown]

remember Orbonne on release? that's how alliance raids should be

[soft maple]

Oh, I agree there

[next quarry]

I didnt like how long it was

[wet crown]

even rabanastre was actually really fun on release when we had to use mage LB3 or just get fucked

Her Inflorescence is the closest thing to Orlandeau we have nowadays

[next quarry]

wdym

[wet crown]

in terms of "difficulty"

[next quarry]

nah

red girl is harder than inflorescence

[wet crown]

Maybe, that's just my perspective on both of them

[pastel coyote]

Inflorescence is hard ? Red girl with her weird hitbox when she turn is harder

[terse cargo]

@pastel coyotewerid hitbox? are u talking about when she duplicates? personally i've never had issues on her for any of her mechanics,and especally on the duplication spin..all u need to do is pay attention to 1 clone and move around u can still stay next to the boss that way,at least if your melee

[gaunt star]

say what you want about SB trials but i wish we had more mechanics like selenomancy, normal and ex

the normal one was pretty alright but the ex one giving you 4 stacks off the bat

[woven escarp]

I like it better as a slow doom mechanic with adds

having to move so often means you pay attention to the mechanic

it's much easier to tunnel vision and forget about it if it takes a long time to become lethal

[gaunt star]

you only needed to move twice in ex i think. three times max

move to the right one, then swap at 4 then go to the meteor

[random ravine]

is fourchenault going to be an antagonist?

[teal geyser]

mmmm, I think that's a bit misleading but he will be against us at least for a while sure

[wet crown]

there's a difference between antagonistic motives and being the big baddy
Fourchenault is probably gonna be the former until his silly little bunker plan utterly backfires on him

[viscid monolith]

If he's against us he's an antagonist

[soft maple]

He's not against other people doing what they want

So I don't think it'll be anything that warrants ACTUAL resistance to the scions. But in the ways that the scions will need aid of sharlayan to save the world, that's when fourchenault is going to be an obstacle

[teal geyser]

that's when fourchenault is going to be an obstacle
Which then makes him actual resistance to the Scions since this is something that is pretty mandatory

[dawn basin]

I'm hoping we or the twins get to punch some sense into him

[chilly bluff]

Nah they're probs going to get slapped for their hubris. At least a hit to their pride.

[maiden lodge]

Naw, they already got that.

[terse cargo]

depending on how the intro quest starts i can almost see it turning out similar to the ishgard path, we were at odds vs the governing body for most of the leveling expansion until thordan made his move. while i dont see sharlyan and fourchenault going full villian(i mean come on both his kids are our strongest friends and supporters) the fourum probbly wont give us full help till at least around midway thru

[next quarry]

sharlayans help serve as a distraction when we're trying to get on the moon :3

[maiden lodge]

Sharlayan is one zone, I don't see it being that integral to the plot.

I also don't see it being a Eulmore situation where you visit them early and they're constantly an opposition

[terse cargo]

@maiden lodge its one city.....there's probbly sub zones surrounding it similar to ishgard,remember that one zone they said was underground? it was never said if that was a moon zone at all,that could be an underground bunker for sharylayn

[next quarry]

labyrinthos?

[terse cargo]

yeah

[maiden lodge]

We know 4 zones that are decidedly not sharlayan, and the secret sixth zone is probably not sharlayan. That leaves Labyrinthos. They can't tell half the story around one zone.

[next quarry]

I kinda want the underworld from FF4 to be a zone

[teal geyser]

Never

[next quarry]

whhyy

[teal geyser]

because I'm mean

[next quarry]

aww

[maiden lodge]

It wouldn't be the same without lalafell, and they're not going to make lavafell a thing

[teal geyser]

They could probably do it without dwarves tbh but it does kinda ruin it

[terse cargo]

@maiden lodgei mean it s already confirmed that sharylan will be the main hub,and radz is more then likely the end game zone because of that,they will definitely play a factor in the endwalker story because of the fact they arent going to be helping at first,but that could always change by the midway point

[teal geyser]

glares at Kugane in SB

[maiden lodge]

It's a part of the story. But... Kugane

[teal geyser]

Also like, all things considered I'm not actually sure if the Crystarium was really that important in 5.0 either, you just came back every so often and slept and continued the plot outside of it.

[maiden lodge]

You'd have better luck predicting Radz is a major story destination because action actually happens in and around it as we can see already

[teal geyser]

Wait no actually there is more CT exposition then I remember I take that back

[maiden lodge]

It wasn't a source of conflict, no, really just the place that acts as 'home' and supports you, yeah

[next quarry]

sharlayan is prob "oh they wont cooperate but we're here already might as well rest here"

[maiden lodge]

It existed as the beacon of light in the darkness, so to speak. Except beacon of dark in the lightness.

[next quarry]

and some funny stories with ali and alphi

[teal geyser]

I think we'll just do some stuff there and Thav for a while at the start, move onto the third and maybe 4th zone. Come back to Sharlayan after quickly and convince them to join us after progress advances / we learn more and continue on idk

[maiden lodge]

There's definitely going to be some politics there

[viscid monolith]

Of course Crystarium was important

It's the home base

[terse cargo]

@next quarrywhy make it the main hub of endwalker if it wont play a factor then? they would have been better off making radz both the main and end game hub and leave sharlyan out,there's going to be more to them then meets the eye,i can almost bank on it

[next quarry]

kugane

[maiden lodge]

Kugane

Sharlayan will have some importance, but the expansion isn't going to be about Sharlayan, if that makes sense

[viscid monolith]

I don't know why this is so hard to understand. Just because we don't beat the shit out of someone there doesn't mean it isn't important.

[wet crown]

what? you mean killing people isn't the main focus of the story?

oh no! that's...NO!!!

it's funny how people keep denying that Zenos isn't the perfect mirror to the playerbase when they prove it all the time

[maiden lodge]

There's different ideas being presented. Importance to a plot often refers to whether something exists as a part of a narrative conflict, vs whether it exists as a macguffin. Crystarium is generally a macguffin (as a home base) but it doesn't drive conflict, but rather acts as a shield against the conflicts.

Sharlayan will drive some conflict (thereby be important to the plot) but it's not going to be a major source of conflict (barring some really dark secret about Sharlayan).

[viscid monolith]

How is the Crystarium a Macguffin? Are you trying to use another word but aren't sure what to say?

[maiden lodge]

Crystarium doesn't drive conflict, but it is, at one point, used as a setting around which conflict occurs, and at the end, is the 'desired object' where the final conflict centers. Crystarium itself, however, does not create these conflicts. Thus, MacGuffin.

That's fine, that doesn't make it bad, or anything, that's not critique. Just an observation of its place in the plot. It's important as setting and for mood and to help mitigate tension, but outside of the initial summons, it doesn't drive the plot.

[viscid monolith]

In fiction, a MacGuffin is an object, device, or event that is necessary to the plot and the motivation of the characters, but insignificant, unimportant, or irrelevant in itself.

Well the Crystarium certainly isn't irrelevant. Conflict happens around and to it.

[maiden lodge]

I never said it was irrelevant. It is important to the setting, to the mood. It doesn't drive conflict, and therefore doesn't drive the plot.

Eulmore does. Hard.

[terse cargo]

so the fact that elidibus litterally INVADED the crystal tower in 5.3,wasnt driven conflict??

[maiden lodge]

It was conflict driven by Elidibus, over the MacGuffin that is the Syrcus Tower.

[teal geyser]

I didn't think we were thinking about post main story too since we were only talking about Sharlayan being important so far as 6.0 earlier

[viscid monolith]

The crystal tower is the single most important object in the expansion though.

[maiden lodge]

Oh Sharlayan will be the new Waking Sands here, no doubt

[maiden lodge]

And the One Ring is the single most important object in lord of the rings. And it's a MacGuffin.

[terse cargo]

@teal geyseri was making a comparision,he says the crystarium doesnt hold significant because of plot reasons,since 5.3 was the end of the shadowbringers storyline,it was indeed still plot

[maiden lodge]

No, I did not say that, exactly.

[viscid monolith]

But how is it insignificant, unimportant, or irrelevant?

[maiden lodge]

I said Crystarium isn't 'important to the plot because it does not drive conflict.' It doesn't. I didn't say it wasn't signficant--it is.

[maiden lodge]

The One Ring isn't a character. So it doesn't drive the plot. It can't. It is an inanimate object.

It's important to the characters, but it doesn't drive the plot.

[viscid monolith]

It does drive the pot because they're trying to destroy it and things are trying to kill them to get the ring from them.

[maiden lodge]

The Nazgul do. Frodo does. Samwise does. Aragorn does. Baromir does See the difference?

[teal geyser]

Is Ishgard important to the plot of HW?

[maiden lodge]

Yes, but arguably, Ishgard is itself a character, in the sense a setting can be a character.

[teal geyser]

Okay that kinda gets into my second question was going to be about

[maiden lodge]

If we argue Crystarium is a character (and we can do that), it's a character that generally sits at home, to whom conflict occurs to.

[viscid monolith]

Dis it feels like you're somewhat misusing this word. Or everyone has been.

I'm reading the wiki. A better example of a Macguffin is the briefcase from Pulp Fiction.

[maiden lodge]

The creator of the term 'MacGuffin' used the One Ring as its archtype.

[viscid monolith]

I can understand that. The contents are never revealed. We don't know what is in it and the viewer doesn't need to know what's in it to watch and understand the movie.

[maiden lodge]

The One Ring, the Maltese Falcon, those are the Ur-Examples

The mystery around the object is not necessary for it to be a MacGuffin.

[viscid monolith]

Oh fuck my power is going out

[maiden lodge]

See: The Ark of the Covenant. Some MacGuffins can have disasterous effects, it depends on the story to be honest.

[teal geyser]

I thought a Macguffin was just a bullshit thing used as plot device

[maiden lodge]

It's any object that's used as the core of a conflict, but is not an actor in the conflict itself.

[viscid monolith]

It is but the One Ring is too important and too explained to be a Macguffin. We understand the stakes around it.

[maiden lodge]

The guy who invented the 'MacGuffin' concept uses the One Ring as his prime example.

[viscid monolith]

Ok going back to the Crystarium. We understand what's at stake if it's lost. It's the only settlement left that isn't a shit hole ruled by a fat baby. It has the most powerful source of energy on the planet. A few thousand people live there and will be killed or enslaved.

[maiden lodge]

Of course. It's important to the characters.

But once it summons us, it doesn't do anything, barring being a part of making the Talos

Crystarium's biggest plot relevant action is to take us in.

[teal geyser]

And being attacked

[maiden lodge]

Everything else is it being attacked and defended by us.

And it is important enough to defend, don't get me wrong. But it doesn't do anything else.

[viscid monolith]

Actually fuck this word. I'm reading the wiki further and different directors have their own interpretation of it.

[maiden lodge]

Welcome to the realities of discourse on art.

[viscid monolith]

Hitchcock also said "The MacGuffin is the thing that the spies are after but the audience don't care."

This dickhead even has a different meaning for it

[maiden lodge]

Hitchcock is the first director to use CG in a movie. Bit of trivia.

[viscid monolith]

That's cool what movie was it

[maiden lodge]

Vertigo.

Also the first movie to use the dolly zoom (It's the cinematography trick, where the camera simultaneously zoomes in on the principal subject, while the background appears to be zooming out behind them, done by using a dollycam, and physically having it move away, while simultaneously having it zoom in on the foreground)

[distant sonnet]

I think you're pretty majorly misusing MacGuffin on multiple points.

[maiden lodge]

Even if so, the point itself has been explained.

[distant sonnet]

The One Ring certainly is not one, and.. I wouldn't say the Crystarium is one either. Not everything that is not a central plot point is a MacGuffin.

[maiden lodge]

Again, the core point of all that has been explained. Whether it qualifies explicitly as a MacGuffin or not is not germane to that core point.

[distant sonnet]

Mmmm fine but I'm watchin' you. 😛

[maiden lodge]

If you contrast Ishgard and Crystarium (in the sense as settings as characters), Ishgard is an active participant in the conflict (sometimes an outright antagonist), and Crystarium is a passive setting that serves to demonstrate the idea of 'that which we wish to protect.'

They're both important to the narrative, but only one really, meaningfully, drives the plot.

Ishgard isn't just 'a home base', it is conflict within itself. Crystarium is the opposite--it's idyllic and it has no conflicts within it that drive that plot; all its conflicts result from our actions, not really its own.

Save for one action: Inviting us in. That is Crystariums only plot-driving action, and that's why it doesn't have the same 'important to the plot' status Ishgard does. And that's fine, it's still important to the narrative.

[gaunt star]

The real hype in 5.55 is what outfit Tataru has for us

[wet crown]

if 4.55 was anything to go by, we'll get another representation of her mental state to wear as fashion

[open verge]

She was on some shit for that 4.55 outfit it’s so weird lmao

[unreal wadi]

TRUE

[sterile galleon]

I feel fuzzy picturing the eventual bunboi - catboi couples that will emerge with 6.0

[pine epoch]

I love the fact, that this channel life gets extended longer than it should because of 5.55 literally coming in like 2 days

[sterile galleon]

1.2 days more like

[unreal wadi]

change the name to 5.55

[torpid yoke]

Who's ready to see the true credits for Shadowbringers

[dim sigil]

You

[woven escarp]

oh yeah, I forgot about 5.55 lmao

good thing I'm only a few days away from maxing out my tomes for 6.0 😌

[torpid yoke]

i mean you got months for that homie

[woven escarp]

yeah, but I don't raid so I'm just going to max out my tomes and then do other shit

I'll be able to buy almost two sets of gear with the poetics discount come 6.0

read: healer/maiming sets

[maiden lodge]

I mean you can do that now

[torpid yoke]

yea they are already augmented when you buy them too

[maiden lodge]

Use Poetics to buy a complete set of Scaevan Healing and Maiming gear, use Revelation to buy a complete set of Healing and Maiming Cryptlurker gear, and then buy 20 Rowena's Tokens (Scaevan) and 20 Rowena's Tokens (Revelation), and then four of the tomestone thingies, and you have everything you'd buy with poetics come EW

and it ends up better value than the poetics discount

Alternatively fuck it you'll get free sets in msq and dungeons

[strange wing]

Gotta have something to do while waiting for the expansion.

[soft gyro]

bozja bozja bozja

only content relevant in these next 5 months

[pulsar current]

raids tier is still pretty popular on crystal

[severe brook]

oh yeah bozja is tuesday innit

[soft gyro]

wasn't it so relics will be bis?

then log runs will be popular again i guess?

[maiden lodge]

And some people will go 'theydon't count because it's different gear' and others will go 'it totally does cause it's different gear' and the universe moves on

[strange wing]

Wish there was more incentive to do Savage Raids.

[soft gyro]

as long as it does more dps than the previous weapon, it is the new bis

[pulsar current]

i mean there still is

BiS require raids

its just been out for 6 months hahaha

[soft gyro]

depends if you want to level multiple jobs or not to bis

[maiden lodge]

Only way to get dyable versions of those gear sets. Only place to get those mounts. You know.

[pulsar current]

glam is the true endgame, thats just facts

[strange wing]

Ah, well I guess it's a subjective thing then. I personally don't like any of the mounts in the Eden stuff. Will probably go on a gwibber hunt for a sick robot dragon.

[maiden lodge]

Also... the point is actually the prog.

[soft gyro]

i think i still need the 10x achievement for e12s :/

[gaunt star]

Same
Also i can't wait to buy my emerald weapon with totems on tuesday, fck that fught

[torpid yoke]

emerald is easy though

[strange wing]

Some people can't deal with orbs

[soft gyro]

you talking about normal mode?

cause there is no orbs in extreme

[torpid yoke]

there are orbs in extreme

[soft gyro]

wait, there are?

oh, those orbs at the very start

i thought it was the hand-orbs at the middle of the p1 fight

[dim sigil]

Ive cleared em ex twice a lot of it still feels random

The part where you have to look for the third sword I just can't not get down I'm just going to wait for 90 to do it

[maiden lodge]

When it's the first time for swords, stand to the southeast of the map. The third sword will either be in the middle or the corner, and you can easily figure out the movement from that alone.
For the later ones when he does Aire Tam Storm (the split and landing), if he's doing the knockback, it's always SE corner is safe first, middle safe last (use knockback prevention, don't get fancy). If he's doing the split with the big red aoe, it's always SE middle is safe first, SE corner safe last.

That makes it so you only need to look at two swords in two areas to be safe.

[gaunt star]

Its easy yes but ive done the fight nearly 150 times and still havent gotten gwiber

And its my last one so i gave up and im just gonna wait for 5.55

[next quarry]

I got gwiber on Emmy at 53 runs

[gloomy shale]

I'm dreading finishing emerald, it's the worst one to grind but the last one I need besides diamond

[next quarry]

I still need hades, sos and diamond

[gloomy shale]

oh I wait I'm almost done with sos

[dim sigil]

I haven't even stepped into Hades extreme I don't know if I even can at this poinwho is going to want to put up witha learning party

[next quarry]

Just jump in

[gloomy shale]

I find hades super easy but I guess some people find it daunting? idk

[woven escarp]

well, people are doing hades ex for mog tomes, so you might be able to sneak in

[maiden lodge]

There were three Hades Ex learning parties on Aether today. It's got Mogtomes in it, that makes it current again

[crystal arrow]

hades is easy as hell, we relearned it in about 20mins

[maiden lodge]

It's a lot to learn but nothing too rough

[crystal arrow]

you skip so many mechanics even with a 510 ilvl that it doesn't matter

all you need to know really is how the adds phase works, the phase after that and the cheese phase

[gloomy shale]

the biggest thing I found people mess up on hades in pugs is that the marker for the final phase was off lol

[crystal arrow]

yeah that's p pixel perfect

[maiden lodge]

Yeah I'd recommend learning to do the mechanic properly, just in case.

Don't be that WHM rescuing me BACK IN after I determined it was bad placement

[gloomy shale]

Oh I know how to do it but I'm just sayin I've been in groups where other people didn't know

[maiden lodge]

yeh I mean for someone learning it

[gloomy shale]

ah

[stiff charm]

or bunboi-former catboi now bunboi couples

[spiral wagon]

https://twitter.com/chocoboof/status/1396233293708763136

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[echo orbit]

the spirals, what do they MEAN

[severe brook]

sharlayan selling out everyone by providing tech and/or magic that runs the Towers in exchange for not getting a Tower plopped on them would be raw

[teal geyser]

Spiral energy

[echo orbit]

looks like we need to get a hobo with a drill to solve the problem then

[spiral wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/tengen-toppa-gurren-lagann-drill-giga-gif-13369625

[stiff charm]

[spiral wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/i-am-legend-will-smith-no-gif-4125796

[stiff charm]

that reminds me i actually have to read uzumaki

[heady shadow]

when it pans out after Y'shtola stabs the floor with her staff the Forum is a spiral

also Uzumaki manga was freaky shit

[stiff charm]

^ i ed about that in vc when it happened

[spiral wagon]

yeah i remember that too.
their aetherytes are as well

[heady shadow]

yep

[spiral wagon]

though interestingly the one on the moon uses the same one from amaurot

[stiff charm]

mare lamentorum is probably amaurot ruins that stayed intact because hydae kicked it into space after ripping the zodiark chunk out of the planet, thats my theory anyway

that both of them were "cores" of the star so she kicked his chunk out and that became the moon

[echo orbit]

it's probably elidibus's dig on the moon where he could brood in between expansions

[torpid yoke]

mare lamentorum also uses the piano version of amarout in the trailer of it

[stiff charm]

cant wait to read his journals in the anyder looking dungeon

yeah, the keiko version

[spiral wagon]

but than why are the buns there???

[heady shadow]

allagans

[stiff charm]

^

[teal geyser]

Why not?

[stiff charm]

they created 1 beast tribe, why not another?

[torpid yoke]

incase no one translated it Sea's lament it seems

[maiden lodge]

Why are we assuming the moon must be barren and devoid of life?

[dim sigil]

Basically the sprial means the Kokiri are finally coming into play

[maiden lodge]

Saria's Song was the sound the whole time

[dim sigil]

https://youtu.be/bz8OcYhKM4E

[heady shadow]

cant be, theres grass there.

which means housing plots

[dim sigil]

Moooooon housing

[torpid yoke]

i mean we know the moon isn't devoid of life. Zodi is in the moon and has a bunch of life in him :)

[north ibex]

Listening "To the Edge" hits different now

[torpid yoke]

and ya know. loppits

[dim sigil]

Loppits gonna love us cuz azem

[woven escarp]

also because zodiark has the power to rewrite physical laws

[tulip geyser]

Its boring on the moon for 12k years, why not make cute bunny people

Elidibus: "That my heart should be stirred by mere...fluffiness."

[mighty light]

Space operates on Jimmy Neutron physics

[open verge]

i remember ethys said those spirals were a reference to some real world thing but i forgot what it was

[mighty light]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nautilus

[tulip geyser]

Golden ratio things? I can see it being admired by a lot of civilizations

[open verge]

ye

[warm bone]

I think it is refering to the infinite nature of the spiral. To the sharlayans, it prob refers to the infinite accumation of knowledge.

[open verge]

Yea that’s what ethys brought up and I agree

[torpid yoke]

i hope we get a roleplay instance where we're Zenos just reking fools in 5.55

[severe brook]

...them having us play as Zenos butchering his way through the Alliance leaders would hurt a lot, wouldn't it?

[heady shadow]

yes

[kindred rampart]

and the transition is like this
https://i.imgur.com/rWH70wU

[livid oracle]

Absolute purrrfection

[stiff charm]

that is some yoko taro shit i love it

hot take maybe, i really like when games force you to do something that you as a player know is wrong

[tulip geyser]

Listening to Yoko Taro by the watercooler, tsk tsk

[stiff charm]

but the characters may or may not know is wrong, sometimes its more enjoyable when they do

(play nier replicant btw, totally unrelated btw )

[tulip geyser]

The Culling of Stratholm

[formal agate]

Im presuming the first scene of the trailer with the twins is the solo instance with us playing as Alisae. Then she gets injured and we go back to WoL to save her.

[pine epoch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/641109316686053396/846228621864992818/image0.jpg

@drowsy belfry

[tulip geyser]

It be hilarious if Zodiark really did have such a passion for textiles.

[kindred rampart]

https://imgur.com/rWH70wU
this is also a suda51 technique if they fill 6.0 with moon transitions

Wonder how many additional trusts we'll have for 6.0
I imagine Venat will be covering for Ryne if she's gonna be with us through the majority of the MSQ

[heady shadow]

so far we only got estinien

[stiff charm]

rogue venat

[gaunt star]

I predict Venat will suffer from useless Blond syndrome like Lyse

[stiff charm]

theyre both cute so whatever

[drowsy belfry]

Haha

[heady shadow]

dont get too attached she might vanish when 6.0 ends

[stiff charm]

im predicting we kill her and she sprouts into a tree out of silvertear, im prepared

also i am still an ysayle simp. they cant hurt me more than they did with her

[echo orbit]

alisae dies thats why she doesn't change job

[kindred rampart]

I kinda expect Ryne and Gaia to be regularly visiting us before 7.0 lol

Scions see portal appear before them thinking there's one last Ascian and draw their weapons
||Surprise it's Ryne and Gaia coming to visit!||

[dim sigil]

We just causlly brought that U boy in the void quests to the first im sure we can do others

[stiff charm]

pls no i actually couldnt handle either of the twins leaving us but especially not ali

[kindred rampart]

I'll start the worry if the twins look at each other the same way to save WoL near the end of the 6.0 MSQ
https://youtu.be/TDh76cw21FE?t=59

[cosmic herald]

We're expecting new Reaper/Sage mains and bunny boy mains again

[turbid helm]

Ali dies we riot

[stiff charm]

i would actually be unable to recover

[drowsy belfry]

Naaah the Twins are essentially protags as well

They'll be atleast 2 of the NPCs to follow us after 6.x

[heady shadow]

unless Alphinaud decides to become a forum member or something

[drowsy belfry]

Oooh that'd be a cool twist

[heady shadow]

its something i was thinking about when people brought something up that ishikawa said about a lot of people we would be splitting up from at the end

so kinda thought oh well alphinaud could be a member of the forum and thats be big

[drowsy belfry]

Like if I had to guess what NPCs will still be in our core group come 6.1 and future Expansions

I'd argue - G'raha, Alphainud, Alisaie and MAYBE Y'sthola due to popularity

I'm not saying any of the other Scions and stuff'll diee, but I'm just saying I don't see Urianger and Thancred take center stage anymore

[heady shadow]

I honestly dont expect scion deaths.
lets be honest the devs wont do it

[drowsy belfry]

Deffo not

[stiff charm]

i could absolutely see a lotr style splitting of the group so 6.1 onward has them as supporting cast with g'raha, twins (maybe timeskip twins ) and maybe venat if she lives through ew as main cast

and new people of course

[echo orbit]

venat's on the top of the poster she's not gonna make it pass ew

[drowsy belfry]

I don't know what Venat'll be like but I wouldn't mind her joining the main cast

[stiff charm]

motherly

[heady shadow]

I mean yeah sure if we find a way to keep her from vanishing when/if hydaelyn dies(?)

[stiff charm]

i still think we will kill venat and/or she will become world tree to accompany world serpent (middy) in silvertear

final dungeon is climbing tree, leading into trial at the top

tree because higher, oh higher has subtle tree related lyrics

[heady shadow]

people want to go more shard hopping in 7.0 onward or whatever but like theres like the other 70% of the planet we havent been to yet

[stiff charm]

pls let 7.0 be an "eorzea revisited" aftermath expansion

[drowsy belfry]

We just got Eorzea 3.0 tho

[stiff charm]

when?

[drowsy belfry]

Shadowbringers, it's literally "What if Eorzea didn't have Calamities"

[stiff charm]

ok yes, but i dont mean "redo eorzea" i mean "explore unmapped bits and islands"

deal with random small issues after final days

anthology type thing. every 2 levels is a mini arc that link together at the end

[drowsy belfry]

Oh like that, yeah sure. There's like an entire side to Vylbrand we've not really gone to

I'd love to have Mhach as an actual area

[pine epoch]

by 6.3 I think the Scions will start going their separate ways

[heady shadow]

as far as shards go, I'd rather we focused on Mericydia/new world before we did that again

[stiff charm]

each major scion leaving each patch could be a thing, especially if its 1 ingame year between each 6.x patch so we get a 5 year timeskip by 7.0

[heady shadow]

and if people want ryne, and i guess gaia too, to come back so much would be better to do it in 9.0 and then tell all the players who didnt do eden for some reason that now they have to finished it to do msq

[stiff charm]

yeah, there is literally no reason to go to other shards, no ascians messing with them anymore

[heady shadow]

i'll watch from afar when im on my big break after 6.0 and see how it all goes

[stiff charm]

ill be physically linked to my desk from nov 19 onward

do msq + sidequests maybe, level all jobs to 90

[heady shadow]

im gonna get reaper leveled up then level dnc, reaper, drk and a random healer

[stiff charm]

i want my first beast mount for 90 jobs yoshi p

[heady shadow]

gonna pick a random magic dps too i guess

[subtle pasture]

I might do my usual SCH/SMN first for the sake of efficiency, or WHM or AST into DNC, BLM, WAR or DRK, MNK or Reaper if I got it near 80 by then

It kinda all depends what 80+ toys and reworks look the coolest

Or how AST and SCH are tuned after the cleaner pure/barrier division

[balmy mesa]

I can't help but feel that Yafaem Saltmoor would be a bit of a shithole of a place to visit haha

...though I guess SCH salt has to come from somewhere if they manage to mess it up even more

[gaunt star]

does anyone know when we will get patch notes for 5.55?

[carmine basin]

Possibly after the maintenance started

[gaunt star]

@carmine basin thank you for the info

[pine epoch]

were pretty much 24 hours away from 5.55 now

[gaunt star]

24 hours till we figure out where the hell this nier shit will end up

[opaque vector]

and if loot unlocks....

[balmy mesa]

nierly there!

[stiff charm]

24 hours until venat

[gaunt star]

I’m hoping her hair is that one the Viera have so they prove that they didn’t have to punch those holes in the hair model for no reason

[topaz dune]

each scion leaving would be the best, esp if they were to leave for different sectors of the planet too

[gaunt star]

I still want to kill the twins

[stiff charm]

its definitely that one, i tried making bnuy and elezen venat and both work

and heres elezen

obviously ears are wrong on both, but its probably elezen model with bunny face 2

[topaz dune]

@stiff charmpoofy viera ears

[stiff charm]

it felt fitting

[gaunt star]

Now will it have the daisy in the back or no is the big question

[stiff charm]

itll have a hydae crystal i nthe back

[turbid aspen]

long viera

[cosmic herald]

i wonder what kind of fish are living in the moon sea?

[wet crown]

sunfish

what are they called again? mola-mola?

[turbid aspen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w34qYiQaN-E

[heady spear]

sigh I'm really not looking forward to spend more time with G'raha again in 7.0
Give me thancred, or at least alphinaud, and I'll super happy

[left rivet]

I really want DRG animation lock to be removed.

[gaunt star]

I want Estinien in 7.0

For 10 years we have been suffering under Alphinaud’s reign of terror we need the adults to take charge back

[heady spear]

But what if we got adult alphinaud instead 🤔
After time skip

[gaunt star]

Unlikely they’ll do a time skip everything is still taking place in a bubble

[boreal forge]

why someone would do this

http://puu.sh/HJfSU/451d951297.jpg

[rain onyx]

i don't know but I'm going to torture my friends with it

[boreal forge]

fuck

[boreal forge]

thanks for the nightmares

[distant sonnet]

People sure want any excuse to hate G'raha. =p

[somber storm]

Nothing some flex tape will fix

[somber storm]

People no like catboys

[gaunt star]

Catboys good then they do the Hunched idle pose

[somber storm]

Also claw hands

Half their emotes being more catlike

[tiny wind]

i thought graha is universally liked lol

[wet crown]

a case of vocal minority

[tiny wind]

ah yes

[somber storm]

The Anti-CatBoy Brigade

ACBB

[gaunt star]

Oh.god yeah the claw hands

Also i need to cluster farm before.maintenance....aiee

[forest magnet]

People sure want any excuse to hate G'raha Lyse. =p

[sterile fjord]

Give me three good reasons to like Lyse. One of them cannot be "she's no longer in the main cast anymore" because that is also a good thing.

[pulsar current]

i dont like her but i'll try:
She's fairly active in beating the fuck outta people
she cute
a decent way to learn secondhand about ala migo and the struggles they have

yugiri's section does all of that way better tho

[sterile fjord]

counter argument -
she's lost all the plot relevant fights she's been in.
Basic look until ala migo, then only slightly less basic.
Raubahn is still a character and Fordola is more interesting.

[pulsar current]

counter counter argument -
fuck

its w/e, shes vibin away from the main cast now

[sterile fjord]

ye

[pulsar current]

ishikawa literally didnt even bother with her during 90% of azim steppe

[forest magnet]

Congrats you just described...Fordola.

[sterile fjord]

exactly

[pulsar current]

well they ARE supposed to be two different sides of the same coin

thats the whole point

[sterile fjord]

true

[pulsar current]

its just one side is done way better

[forest magnet]

She was literally locked in a jail.

[pulsar current]

AND THAT WAS WHERE SHE TALKED THE MOST LMAO

i love hein tho so its a worthy trade off

[distant sonnet]

I like Lyse. I dunno what people are on about with her.

[pulsar current]

i felt like she didnt add much to the plot of SB, and that what she offered to the party was overshadowed by other people

[indigo shale]

i guess spearheading the ala mhigo resistance isnt much

[pulsar current]

alphy in HW was a great yang to the WoL's yin

[distant sonnet]

Shes fine. No worse than almost anyone else. She gets a bad rap for Stormblood being kind of a mess is all.

The worst parts of Stormblood get blamed on her as a result.

[pulsar current]

like the ruby sea?

[indigo shale]

yeah its a side effect people didnt like SB that much so they also take it out on the center character

i personally like SB the most out of all expansions so far

[pulsar current]

Lyse just doesnt add anything noteworthy to the adventure really in hingashi

like, if she was takin out of the plot, what would change?

[distant sonnet]

Does she have to? She wasn't especially personally invested in the Hingashi section except as a means of assisting her homeland.

Instead they gave her a back seat to the more personally involved characters

[pulsar current]

if the character the STORY IS AROUND isnt important that's not great for the story as a whole

[distant sonnet]

And Alisaie, but thats just because Ali's personality causes her to steal any scene shes in

[pulsar current]

yeah ali does a lot better

[torpid yoke]

it was around wol so its a great story then :D

[distant sonnet]

But the story isn't just around her? Like.. its about Hien and Yugiri more than Lyse at that point.

And so Lyse takes a backseat.. for Hien and Yugiri to do things

[pulsar current]

also yugiri and fordola are just better adaptations of lyse

[indigo shale]

but they arent lyse, or meant to be so whats your point

[distant sonnet]

Not.. really. They'rr very different. But their parallels are intentional.

[pulsar current]

@sterile fjord why didn't you like lyse again?

[distant sonnet]

A ton of Stormblood's storytelling is via comparing and contrasting characters, how their upbringing effects their outcome, etc.

[indigo shale]

also lyse is learning to be herself and not yda, so she doesnt know how she should really behave and she can be impulsive, + coming to terms with papalymos death, so thats why it may seem shes all over the place, but its quite clear why and its better than having her as pure plot convenience and nothing else

[distant sonnet]

Cause like. Fordola is basically "Hey this could have been what Lyse turned out like if she had stayed in Ala Mhigo instead of being taken out at an early age."

[torpid yoke]

its obvious some people have never struggled in their life /s

[distant sonnet]

Stormblood is one of those stories where I appreciate it the more and more I delve into it.

[indigo shale]

it was also a nice relax from the ascians, purely human conflict till post patches

[distant sonnet]

Its still not my favorite expac for a lot of reasons.. its a bit messy and the split up areas and galaxy brain political stuff is a weak point. But its not the fault of the characters, who for the most part are all really good.

And yeah. Not every conflict needs to be space dragons and kingdom hearts wizards.

[teal geyser]

Hey it wasn't galaxy brain political stuff.

[distant sonnet]

Theres a bit of galaxy brain and you know it.

[teal geyser]

No I really don't

[distant sonnet]

Except its like.. one half galaxy brain and one half finely polished, lubricated smoothbrain.

[lunar hound]

they didn't play up the "you're basically an outsider to us despite who your parents were" story quite enough I think for Lyse

[distant sonnet]

Yeah, it would have been nice and given a bit more for Ala Mhigan characters to do. Ah well

[gaunt star]

Well reading this interview was really something

[rocky dove]

oh damn

[somber storm]

Remember

[gaunt star]

sauce of interview?

😭
Yeah is there a link for the whole thing

https://www.fanbyte.com/features/ffxiv-director-naoki-yoshida-speaks-about-fan-fest-yshtolas-skin-color-changes-and-npc-dating/

Found this from a quick search

[open verge]

Jesus Christ...

[viscid monolith]

I don't see which what part was galaxy brain politics it all seemed pretty straightforward

[open verge]

I think one problem with stormblood is that it didn’t have a character that was loved between everyone in the hero cast

Atleast none to the level of estinen and graha tia

[distant sonnet]

So okay I'll level with you.
It was early and I'm bird-sitting so I slept poorly, because my brother's parakeet decided 3 AM was when the recitation of the song of his people must needs be performed.
I swear I 100% remembered part of Stormbloods story to be galaxybrain politics, then.
But I also cannot for the life of me fathom what the fuck I was thinking about.

[viscid monolith]

Every expansion needs a mascot for the masses to swoon over. That's more important than actually writing a good story for some.

[distant sonnet]

Yes. Had Lyse openly flirted with us and acted mildly dominant at any point, the haters would be swooning for strong kicky mommy. Alas.

[open verge]

Yep and the closest thing to that was Zenos LOL

[viscid monolith]

That's like lowest common denominator though.

[maiden lodge]

You know that the argument 'This major antagonist is designed as a foil to this major protagonist' isn't a point to use when you want to argue for the irrelevance of that protagonist, right?

[distant sonnet]

Except Lyse is only relevant in terms of the Ala Mhigo story where Fordola was. She was irrelevant for the other half of Stormblood.

Where Fordola wasn't.

[maiden lodge]

Interesting. But this consciously ignores what Hien's role in the story is.

Hien exists, specifically, for Lyse.

[teal geyser]

Hien is kinda meant to teach Lyse how to actually lead/inspire her people and there is a really good cutscene in Steppe and kinda at the end of Yanxia about it

[maiden lodge]

^

Multiple times Hien acts as a foil to Lyse on Lyse's journey of growth.

[distant sonnet]

Ehh. Didn't stand out to me.

I don't really have much to say for or against that point cause it resonated with me not at all and I remember it poorly, I suppose.

[pulsar current]

SB is very long

[teal geyser]

I'm on phone so I can't actually timestamp the shit

[pulsar current]

i should write about when i re-do MSQ

[maiden lodge]

I can definately understand how parts of SB doesn't really hit well, okay, but SB does some things HW failed to do well. SB doesn't really have much 'filler', everything kinda fits the story well.

[distant sonnet]

I plan to play through it again someday when I find the time. I acknowledge that SB has more depth than I originally believed

Its just a bit of a mess.

[pulsar current]

the ruby sea feels like filler for most of it

[crystal arrow]

That's just wrong. You bring that up every time people voice their dislike of SB but HW is far from being as split up as SB is.

[pulsar current]

it isn't filler but man is it long af

[maiden lodge]

And yet, it isn't. You have the interplay between Lyse and Alisae establishing the tone, you have the introduction of Yotsuyu, it's not even that long and it's not bad.

[teal geyser]

Actually no I disagree there. The whole thing with HW and Ul'dah is more of a split thing than Ala Mhigo and Doma narratively

[maiden lodge]

HW doesn't even get decent until the point where it's Estinien and Ysayle and Alphinaud out on an adventure. Cloudtop is trash.

[teal geyser]

Nah it really is bad. I hate that zone with a passion and I think their characters suck

[maiden lodge]

Confederacy is kinda superfluous.

[teal geyser]

CWH was nice

[crystal arrow]

Nah not really. The whole reason HW happens is because of what happened in ul'dah. For SB I feel like I was just getting invested in the ala mhigo storyline and then they ripped me away and took me halfway across the world because... reasons

[pulsar current]

i love the look of the zone but damn if i wasn't bored of looping around the zone

[maiden lodge]

It was okay--the part where you meet with Ysayle, but everything else is kinda... eh.

Cloudtop is really pointless though.

[crystal arrow]

While we were de-isolating ishgard during HW ultimately the whole reason we were there was because we were framed for nanamo's murder, so it makes much more sense narratively for us to go back to ul'dah n' stuff.

[distant sonnet]

I will say that filler isn't pointless, and super dense stories can be really hard to digest, though.

[maiden lodge]

HW would have been better if the stuff in 3.1 and 3.2 were mashed together, Estinien didn't 'change' until the end of 3.1, and they moved the Ul'dah stuff into 3.1

[sterile fjord]

@pulsar current I didn't get your ping until just now -
I personally don't like Lyse because her characterization feels shallow at the best of times, and rushed and superfluous at worst. Her best moments typically piggy-backed on others, and most of the time she felt half baked. In my personal opinion, the development she got in SB is where I believe she should have started, but I also understand why the devs wanted her to grow into it.

[maiden lodge]

Cloudtop's entire narrative beat is 'Nothing happens here.'

[pulsar current]

kk that makes sense

[teal geyser]

"I saw a whale"

[pulsar current]

there were some other poeple arguing about why they liked Lyse

[heady spear]

Seeing the discussion here, I'm just glad that they give lyse a character growth, even if it's a hit or miss to some people.
So far for developed female scions, we got: lyse (SB), alisae (coil and SB patches), tataru (the arcanist quest), and ryne (ShB).
The only ones I don't think haven't/didn't get growth are minfilia (because she's already dead before HW), y'sthola, and Krile (though it's understandable since she's supporting character)

[maiden lodge]

'Go cheer up the soldiers cause they see nothing here'

[crystal arrow]

cloudtop felt much more interesting than ruby sea

[maiden lodge]

Y'shtola's had growth, but she's not had 'a big moment.'

[crystal arrow]

I literally quit ffxiv for like, 4 months because ruby sea was so damn boring

[teal geyser]

[distant sonnet]

Much like an actual diet, if you don't get some green leafy fiber in every so often you're going to shit yourself.
SB is the doube baconater extra bacon no lettuce or tomato of stories.

[sterile fjord]

I would argue Y'shtola got some development with her interactions we saw with Matoya and then her development as Master Matoya in ShB.

[maiden lodge]

Ruby Sea set up a major villain. Some of it, I can see why people dislike (and walking across the ocean feels awwwwwful) but yeah, it had some big stuff happen.

[teal geyser]

Oh wait I misread that. Thought you just said Cloudtop was interesting

[maiden lodge]

Maybe that's why I actually like it.

[crystal arrow]

nah I'd agree that it's not but even then it's more interesting than what ruby sea was

literally didn't care about anything happening, just knew that susano was there and I wanted to get to him

[heady spear]

I don't feel her being master matoya is enough to be called character development, but that's just me

[teal geyser]

Yeah I'm fine with the narrative elements of the zone it's just the zone itself and the characters that make me want to die in that part

[maiden lodge]

Imagine not caring about Gosetsu and Yostsuyu stompy stompy

[pulsar current]

she got some but we didnt really "see" the growth itself

[sterile fjord]

That's fair. She didn't change much to be honest, however I believe her character has grown considerably from when we first met her. I think we'll see a lot more of it in the Old Sharlayan content in EW.

[pulsar current]

but look at how she interacts with emet and its a noticable difference

[sterile fjord]

Exactly.

[crystal arrow]

also ruby sea is atrocious because they expect you to navigate around it w/o fucking flight when you're there for the msq

[maiden lodge]

Sometimes it's going to be subtle. She got a lot of her growth very early on too, like people discount her first use of Flow, forgetting why she did it.

[maiden lodge]

Yeah, that was a decision

[pulsar current]

i love that it's HER being the main intellectal force against emet, it brings a great dynamic

[sterile fjord]

Oh that's true. Y'shtola basically died in ARR and came back with technical blindness.

[teal geyser]

To be fair that's generally not worse than any normal zone

[maiden lodge]

The blindness isn't the character beat. The why she did it is.

[teal geyser]

Especially post diving

[torpid yoke]

i remember first getting to ruby sea and swimming all the way to orokoro just to get the aetheryte

[sterile fjord]

No ye I get that. I forgot about the blindness part too.

[crystal arrow]

no it definitely was, because no normal zone has water everywhere that force dismounts you until you get to the part where you can dive

[teal geyser]

Oh riiight yeah I'm an idiot

[maiden lodge]

Diving travel was painful until you unlocked flying

that part of Ruby Sea I won't exactly defend

[teal geyser]

I totally forgot swimming isn't mount speed

[crystal arrow]

i know it's counterproductive but ruby sea was the last sb zone i got flight in because i literally fucking hate everything about it

[sterile fjord]

It was the first zone I got flying in just so I'd never have to come back.

[maiden lodge]

Meanwhile me: 'Nope, not putting THIS zone off I learned my Sea of Clouds lesson'

[teal geyser]

Am I the only one who does them in order?

[sterile fjord]

Probably not.

[maiden lodge]

^

<---

[crystal arrow]

sea of clouds was far more tolerable to me than ruby sea and you can't cmv

[fallen girder]

I just unlock flight as i go through them in the msq

[heady spear]

Ruby sea is so chill, I like it. The bgm is soothing, the underwater looks very beautiful

[crystal arrow]

you can keep trying to argue that hw has the same flaws that sb does because of the "split focus" dis but it's just untrue

[maiden lodge]

Cloudtop isn't 'split focus'

It's 'nothing happens here.'

Contrast with the way that same split was handled in Shadowbringers.

[heady spear]

I can't even remember what we do at cloudtop except for Bismarck

[maiden lodge]

You meet with a bunch of guards who tell you nothing happens at Cloudtop while confronting Emmanellain's horny ennui because he's posted at Cloudtop.

[distant sonnet]

Ehhh. I mean it was better in Shadowbringers, but the Peaks wasn't much better.

Ahm Areng.. I kinda detest the second half of?

Kholusia too except the huge story beat of making the colossus makes up for it.

[pulsar current]

You meet the vanu

[maiden lodge]

major antagonists that they are

[crystal arrow]

I wasn't even talking about cloudtop. Just in general. It's just wrong. The split focuses of SHB and HW are far more meaningful than what SB did. I said it before and I'll say it again, SB felt like two expacs fused into one.

just say you don't like hw

[distant sonnet]

So I'm okay with Cloudtop and I'll tell you why.

[maiden lodge]

Except that Ul'dah really does have nothing to do with Ishgard. At all.

And Doma does have narratively, and thematically, everything to do with Ala Mhigo

[distant sonnet]

Not everywhere needs to be of groundbreaking importance to the story, and Ishgard's relative stability in some areas is an okay thing to establish.

It better establishes things as like.. a world, instead of just a theme park

[crystal arrow]

Yeah, this. IMO it fleshed out the culture and regions around ishgard in a way that felt natural, and made me care more.

[maiden lodge]

I'm not saying I hate HW. I'm saying nostalgia for HW clouds people's understanding of it, and that it is flawed.

[maiden lodge]

And how did Ul'dah do that, exactly?

How does rescuing Raubahn in 3.0 support Ishgard as a character or help advance its conflicts?

[crystal arrow]

Beeecause the events of ul'dah are literally why we were in fucking ishgard to begin with? Not sure what you're trying to argue.

[distant sonnet]

Plus oridinally primals only get summoned when a tribe is under direct assault from something. Bismarck being active when that wasn't the case was an indication that more was going on in the region than initially let on, and also that the sky is dangerous.

[maiden lodge]

So... going to Ul'dah and dealing with Ul'dah stuff because it's 'why we're there' gets a pass. Going to Doma and dealing with Doma because it relates directly to the plan to Ala Mhigo, it relates directly to the theme of liberation and oppression, and it relates directly to Lyse's character development on her journey of growth doesn't?

[heady spear]

But isn't this the same case as Ala mhigo and doma? They both have simple zones that are good for world building, while still keep the narrative intact

[maiden lodge]

This is why I bring it up. You cannot defend the Ul'dah->Ishgard split with that logic while simultaneously refusing to apply it to Ala Mhigo->Doma.

Fuck, Doma even has the main antagonist show up

[distant sonnet]

Ul'dah Ishgard split was.. 4 quests? 5?

It was a brief moment between Ishgard story segments.

[woven escarp]

the only issue I have with doma is that we were sold an ala mihgo expansion and spent most of the expac in doma doing doma things

100% jebaited

[maiden lodge]

Funny I was sold a both expansion.

[distant sonnet]

Ala Mhigo -> Doma was like...
To show you the power of flex tape, I cut this expac in half!

[woven escarp]

"we're going to ala mihgo!" - fanfest 2016

"but you're going to doma for 70% of it!" - stormblood, 2018

[crystal arrow]

What we got for an ul'dah split wasn't really much more than the "meanwhile, in garlemald" stuff we got in SHB.

[heady spear]

Yeah I would like if we got more of Ala mhigo

[maiden lodge]

If you only found out you were going to Othard in 2018, that's on you.

[distant sonnet]

Yyyyeah half the trailer being Othard sure was a jebait.

[maiden lodge]

:/

[distant sonnet]

...

[crystal arrow]

I guess those are a "split" then too huh

[distant sonnet]

But yeah. Ul'dah and Raubahn was nowhere near the level of split. You cannot honestly be arguing it is.

[maiden lodge]

Yeah, what with the zero quests we do there.

[crystal arrow]

Oh dis is, and they're saying that it's just as bad as the SB split

[distant sonnet]

That time we killed a demi-Ultima was a hallucination?

[maiden lodge]

Except it is. Because unlike Othard it doesn't relate to the story, in any way, except maybe a theme.

[maiden lodge]

Actually yes. Cause we didn't. Estinien did. That's how the Echo works.

[crystal arrow]

Don't even try to be pedantic about that.

[distant sonnet]

You're not normally this disingenious, my guy

[tiny wind]

[maiden lodge]

More facetious. Also didn't happen in 5.0

[distant sonnet]

Raubahn was at best 3 to 5 quests and you-re putting it on a level with Othard, though. My guy. My dude.

[maiden lodge]

The thing here though is that an event that happened in 5.1 that isn't on the same level as what was done in 3.0 isn't a good comparison though

[crystal arrow]

You literally must've slept through hw then, because there's just no way you can say ul'dah is unrelated to the narrative. That's just factually wrong.

nanamo's murder is literally the reason why we end up in ishgard, I don't know how you can say that's not fucking relevant

[maiden lodge]

To which I respond 'How does Ul'dah relate to the conflicts of the Dragonsong war or Ishgard itself' and your answer will be 'that's how we get there' which doesn't actually address this question. Ul'dah did not need to be resolved in 3.0.

[heady spear]

Wait but doma and Ala mhigo also is not a split, narrative wise. They have extra stuff, but the main goal is still the same

[distant sonnet]

Plus the Ul'dah narrative had to get resolved in order to accomplish goal B, which was bringing Ishgard into the alliance.

[maiden lodge]

That wasn't goal B.

[woven escarp]

I mean, there was no reason to resolve the sultana being dead because it was better that she was dead as a big gut shot to the players

[maiden lodge]

That wasn't a narrative goal in 3.0 at all

[woven escarp]

like "oh shit, major NPCs can actually die"

[heady spear]

I mean we're there for Ala mhigo liberation as the main objective.
We even got the same villain (Zenos)

[crystal arrow]

Yes it was. It absolutely was.

[woven escarp]

when they resurrected most of the scions and the sultana they kind of weakened their position of putting story characters in danger, because you're pretty sure nothing will happen to them

[maiden lodge]

And here I thought the story of Heavensward was the ending of the Dragonsong war, by addressing the combatants and prejudices of both sides of the conflict, because that's the conflict we are given.

[crystal arrow]

We literally had to resolve it because this is an mmo and it'd make no sense for us to be supposedly wanted for someone's murder but able to teleport to the city she ruled and walk around w/o consequence.

[maiden lodge]

We didn't go there to join Ishgard into the Alliance, we went there because the Alliance turned us away.

[woven escarp]

the NPCs all make references to it, saying that they should arrest you but they don't believe you'd kill the sultana

[maiden lodge]

Not Ul'dah. The Alliance. Lest you forget, both Kan and Merlwyb also turn you away.

[woven escarp]

kan-e-senna would sell you out in a nanosecond if the elementals told her to

[maiden lodge]

Ul'dah did not need to get resolved into 3.1, when the Ishgard-joining-the-Alliance starts coming up as a thing.

Ul'dah should have been saved to 3.1 (so that something... you know... happens here), 3.1's few points mashed into 3.2, and then it'd be a tighter, more cohesive story.

[crystal arrow]

Anyways, I have far more important shit to do than argue with you over blatant facts, dis. I know you're usually pretty pedantic and argumentative but this just takes the cake

[maiden lodge]

You keep defending Ul'dah as necessary for Ishgard while ignoring that same logic, better applied to Othard. That's not me being pedantic.

That's me pointing out that you're using justifications that don't make sense.

that's pointing out that maybe there's a different reason you dislike something and trying to cut through surface level objections which don't hold under scrutiny. It's still valid to dislike something, my intention is not to say 'You're wrong for disliking it.' I'm trying to go a bit deeper, while trying to allow the actual flaws of HW to be acknowledged. Which it definately has.

[distant sonnet]

I mean.. in my perfect world, Ul'dah doesn't happen.
The sultana fucking dies, Raubahn escapes only to go back to die in glorious combat with the resistance, and Lolorito takes control of Ul'dah.

[maiden lodge]

Ooof

For the record, I'm fine with how it ended up, I'm not fine with how everything was tied up in a neat little bow.

[woven escarp]

raubahn would have likely died to zenos since raubahn would have been a general in the resistance without nanamo holding him in ul'dah

[maiden lodge]

Having Ul'dah in 3.0 also had the effect of making 2.55 feel cheap

[distant sonnet]

This introduces Raubahn as a leader of the resistance early for 4.0, giving us more investment in it. It also gives us drama potential at every single meeting of the alliance.

[maiden lodge]

2.55 was, objectively, one of the best moments in this game.

3.0's way of handling it exposed it--it stopped being about serving the story and being a grand important moment, and turned it into a contrivance that only existed to get us to go to Ishgard, when we already had one being developed.

Heavensward ruined the Bloody Banquet.

[distant sonnet]

Demonscreech Seven Hells!

[maiden lodge]

Imagine if Shadowbringers had put the scion's souls back in their bodies before we got to Rak'tika.

'well.. I guess there goes the entire reason we're stuck here eh'

HW did some great things. It did some amazing things. But it ruined one of the best narrative points the game has ever done, and that alone is reason it can't be as good as it is claimed.

[distant sonnet]

I think.. Ul'dah sections were meant to accomplish the same thing as the inn segments of ShB. Moments where you pause the main story. In their case it was to establish that time was still happening and stuff was going on in the greater world, it wasn't just all Ishgard, while also giving things time to settle slightly.

[maiden lodge]

There are better ways to do that. Time with Edmont bonding for example.

[distant sonnet]

But they didn't trust things enough to just have those moments be a cup of hot cocoa with Hauchefaunt every so often.

[maiden lodge]

Or this.

[distant sonnet]

Dumb monkee players need to hit things.

[maiden lodge]

Or show Ul'dah becoming a bit more chaotic

But if they'd just waited on it, and held off on 3.1, they could have taken the time to make it work. Act 1: Rescue Raubahn in Halitali (which also foreshadows Ilberd as the ultimate end of HW's post-quest-series). Act 2: We find out Nanamo is alive, so we go rescue her ourselves, and THIS is how we find out Lolorito kept her alive.

Instead of Deus ex Dewlala, which honestly, wtf.

[gaunt star]

Worst part of the whole uldah thing was raubuhn being trapped in halitali. Fck that place

[distant sonnet]

Why has Cid not built that man a magitek hand with a crossbow and a cannon built in yet, thats what I wanna know.

[gaunt star]

Ur right

... have they even met yet

[pulsar current]

cid does things?

[gaunt star]

Dont do cid like that 😔

[severe brook]

a Guts homage with Raubahn would be pretty somber now

[maiden lodge]

---Jessie probably

[gaunt star]

Definitely jessie

[pulsar current]

facts

[gaunt star]

I miss ironworks shenanigans, bring it back

[maiden lodge]

Nero acknowledges Cid does things, because Cid must do things for Nero to do better things than

[gaunt star]

also im disappointed at myself at how long it took me to realise the fucking scaevan gear was named after nero

[severe brook]

"Will Nero become a recurring name throughout the series like everyone else in the Ironworks? Tune in next time!"

[gaunt star]

Implying he isnt already

If only because of all the debt he wracked up

[maiden lodge]

Nero's living his best life

Work satisfaction: Making cool shit check
Hobby satisfaction: Making Cid miserabe check

[viscid monolith]

Man i missed some good conversations in class

@maiden lodge Can you gimme a rundown for weak points in HW?

[maiden lodge]

I might do something a bit more thurough, I don't think this might be the right avenue to do that.

[gaunt star]

"All in all, Yoshida says development for the Reaper class took about three months from conception to fleshing out, while development on Sage took half a year." damn healer mains

[stuck frigate]

I think they had a better starting point with reaper than sage which probably sped it up. If you already know you want the class to have a scythe, you already know a lot about the class and have some obvious routes for motif

[terse cargo]

@gaunt star wait seriously? reaper took less time to devolp then sage? well, i guess that puts to bed how more complex healing is then just damage classes lol

[swift kraken]

man reading that article his excuse for making yshtola whiter is kind of bad

id respect it more if he just said "marketing"

[gaunt star]

yeah because they knew people wanted a scythe class for years, so going around with it was eassier, for Sage they had to figure out what weapon they should be using, since alchemist aka throwing people potions would be weird

and other concepts xd

[terse cargo]

@swift kraken didnt read that interview but i skimmed it,i honestly didnt really tell a difference in her skin color,i just chalked it to either the lighting of the trailer,or just the meeting hall in general she was in during that scene

[swift kraken]

its pretty noticable over the years if you looked for back to back pictures

i dont care too much about it but saying yshtola was lighter in 1.0 is kind of just incorrect

[viscid monolith]

Yshtola'a color didn't change until SB or SHB. I forgot which one.

Refia pulled the color data. Didn't change from 1.0 to 2.0

[maiden lodge]

ShB, she's brown in the 'little sun' scene

[maiden lodge]

the engine kinda did though

[viscid monolith]

The engine? Like the lighting?

[maiden lodge]

yeah, the entire everything around that data changed so the actual presentation changed despite the same number going in.

[viscid monolith]

Well ya that's what I said before. People thought they changes her skin color from 1.0 to 2.0 but it was just that 1.0 had a shitty engine and no lighting.

[maiden lodge]

I wouldn't say that. But, yeah, Y'shtola's skin tone has changed over time, including 1.0.

Both one way and back

[swift kraken]

even if it was just lightning goes to this from

this is pretty different

[crystal arrow]

that is one pale ass miqo wol

[swift kraken]

the whitest being alive

[crystal arrow]

weird way to spell venat

[swift kraken]

2nd place at least

[craggy pawn]

Dayum I forgot yshtola used to look like that

[open verge]

She looks so much cooler now

[soft gyro]

she aint big mommy y'shtola there

[rough kestrel]

You can go look at her clone in Gridania, her sister hangs out near the Achievement guy

Pretty much 1:1 color wise, but different, lamer hair.

The end of Endwalker is going to be you standing in the sky above the CT in Mor Dhona with the scions surrounding you and clapping

[soft gyro]

6.0 ending will be just a cutscene of the dalamud meteor again

[rough kestrel]

But Dalamud swapped with The Moon

[soft gyro]

and then this shows up https://img.thaun.dev/fz3kp.png

[torpid yoke]

Been in a coma another 5 years

[gaunt star]

and the credits will feature Yoko Taro

[mighty light]

That's what they're doing for the Skyrim 10th Anniversary; re-releasing Skyrim, but it's been completely rewritten by Yoko Taro.

[gaunt star]

again? just let it die

[mighty light]

?

[strange wing]

I'll buy fucking 10 copies of Skyrim by Yoko Taro

[sterile fjord]

Skyrim won't die, Bethesda will milk that cow until it's just bones.

[dim sigil]

No

Gta scrolls V is hype

[mighty light]

rip

[heady shadow]

https://www.pcgamer.com/final-fantasy-14s-naoki-yoshida-teases-whats-to-come-after-endwalker/

it makes me nervous when yoshi p brings up time travel.....

[dim sigil]

7.0 is wol traveling to arr times to setup many arr events for their past arr self

[teal geyser]

WINGS OF THE GODDESS INTENSIFIES

[dim sigil]

Who

[heady shadow]

ends up that we are the reason why the Ice agre happens

[barren karma]

If anyone can actually make it work

the Ff14 writing team can

[teal geyser]

FFXI expansion where we go back in time to the war that took place before the base game story and become the heroes of the past

[heady shadow]

isnt wings of the goddess the best expac for xi or was that uh....

[teal geyser]

Basically imagine we went back in time to pre-calamity and fought Nael and that was in part WotG

[teal geyser]

I know Chains is well liked, Wings is too, not sure if Rhapsodies counts but pretty sure that is regarded the best story

[heady shadow]

rhapsodies?

yeah.

i dont know if poeple liked Aht Urhgan but it has pretty art

[kind lark]

The crystal tower is op, pls nerf SE

[stark pawn]

Nael's Nails

[gaunt star]

Aht Urhgan was very popular

[stark pawn]

You guys ready to sit through the credits tomorrow

again

[gaunt star]

Is tomorrow the final content patch for Shadowbringers?

[clever flume]

most likely yes

[stiff charm]

are there new credits for shb?

[terse cargo]

@gaunt star tommarrow is the end of bojza and the main story for shadowbringers so yeah i do belive thats all the content for the expansion,5.6-5.8 more then likely will be just lifting totem and chest restrictions

[stiff charm]

^

[terse cargo]

@stiff charmtommarrow is part 2 of 5.5,we should be seeing shadowbringers end credits

[clever flume]

yes, tomorrow will have the 2nd set of shb credits

[stiff charm]

huh, i guess i didnt notice them in 3.55 and 4.55

[stark pawn]

Yeah they do the X.0 credits and then again in X.55 or whatever

[clever flume]

that's because its in 3.56 and 4.56

[stark pawn]

Lol

it's been a while :p

[clever flume]

hasn't exactly been super consistent for the part 2 of msq anyway :p. but yeah every expac has 2 sets of credits. one in .0 and one part 2 of .5 patch

[stiff charm]

from what i can tell theres nothing new about them except for a new post credits scene was hoping for maybe new art but thats cool

[clever flume]

VA credits sometimes do get updated if someone comes in post msq

[terse cargo]

@clever flume considering matoya,i wonder if that'll be updated for her then

[clever flume]

like grynewaht and gostestu were in 3.56's credits

[stark pawn]

I imagine Lunar Odin/Ravana will be a solo instance

Just looking at the parts of the trailer we haven't seen yet lol

[terse cargo]

@stark pawn yeah,if they go with the theme,if we do see or fight either,a solo duty is probbly guanteed,since the battle with ascian zenos was a solo duty

[stark pawn]

well we literally see them being fought in the trailer so 😛

[clever flume]

i would be very surprised if they didn't credit the new VA for matoya in the 5.55 credits...

[pine epoch]

Best part of 5.55 credits

To put it rest whether or not square replaced certain VAs

[stark pawn]

Cid

[pine epoch]

Like Cid hasn't spoken since hw.

[terse cargo]

ahh right,a few people speculated cid's VA got replaced but outside of matoya nothing was ever mentioned about his