retired-patch-6-3-discussion

[maiden lodge]

but there's no air in space how can it ship space checkmate atheists /s

[digital radish]

I wonder why it's a whale and what it symbolizes

[steep coral]

Its prob gonna be my new favorite mount

[teal geyser]

Can't even see the players in it so -10/10

[severe brook]

can't wait til we have to fight Allagan FATEs on the Moon because a Ragnarok-class crashed there

[maiden lodge]

That'd have to go back to FF4 stuff

[mighty light]

Yeah I unironically lost all interest when I realized the players weren't visible

[digital radish]

Lunarians..always the Lunarians

[teal geyser]

I fully expect Allagan mobs

[steep coral]

But I mean...it is a spacecraft more than leisure craft

[kind lark]

I want terminus on the moon

[distant sonnet]

Just sayin. It wasn't even a particularly cropped shot.

[severe brook]

this but Allagan

[maiden lodge]

So, yeah, I've always wondered why the Lunar Whale/Big Whale/Mysidian Whale was a whale.

[steep coral]

Holy sht, u bring penance here?

[distant sonnet]

Thats just.. how it looks flying around.

[severe brook]

i bring a lot of things here

like stubborness and stupid ideas that somehow come true

[teal geyser]

I don't think we will in the same way there are no sin eaters mobs in The First

[steep coral]

Ngl penance would be a sick mount or trial

[distant sonnet]

"Hey we saw a big flying thing."
"Whale of the sky!"

[severe brook]

!faq worldmap

[lusty shadow]

Hydaelyn world map translated by Rommy 🌎

Image URL: https://i.imgur.com/JTbvskE.jpg

[maiden lodge]

Okay so here's what I think they were going for with the Lunar Whale

[maiden lodge]

mysidia is on a peninsula shaped like a dragon, and the whale's in the mouth right

[maiden lodge]

Whales have common legend with dragons in some places see behemoths and the like

[severe brook]

the most likely answer is just that the Whale of Mysidia and Bismarck of the Vanu Vanu have a shared mythological origin, that likely being the Bismarck of the Source

[maiden lodge]

So, the one dragon gives birth to a whale--one behemoth gives birth to another, in a sense.

[severe brook]

who probably died in a Calamity but still lives on other Shards, thus the Bismarck of the First

[maiden lodge]

It might be that the Mysidian Whale is the airship the Vanu Vanu mistook for a skywhale.

[kind lark]

A man can only dream, the whole terminus is always interesting tho

[distant sonnet]

Most interestin thing to me was the crashed Allagan rocket on the moon.

[steep coral]

Same

[severe brook]

i mean, the First Beast is on the Moon in the trailer
But that may very well just be representative of something else we'll actually face there, like how the Kuribu in Shb was kind of symbolic of the Flood as a whole

[crystal arrow]

I mean, trailer ends with derplander killing the first beast on the moon so,

[maiden lodge]

It depends on the cause of the termini and if we stop said cause from spawning new ones. The First, we solve the Lightwarden problem, so it makes sense the sin eater population gets significantly reduced, plus an area where sin eater mobs are just chillin would be pretty darn terrible and bleaching.

[kind lark]

Not whats on the dark side of the moon?

[severe brook]

the only thing there is Aleister Crowley's face

http://www.scpwiki.com/scp-4220

[maiden lodge]

I'm kinda fully expecting Garlemald to be all Telodoofuses all day every day, for example, I can't think of mobs that are just naturally there, and the remnants of tempered dudes still being there tempered makes sense even if we solve the final days. Can't porxie them all.

[regal lantern]

Anyone knows why we are having 5 role quests instead of 4?

Like what’s the fifth?

[chilly bluff]

Ranged and melee physical have been separated

[maiden lodge]

So that melee physical don't get stuck with a bow-girl-quest again

[crystal arrow]

we have 5 roles

[severe brook]

we may even have already seen some extra-tempered Telodoofuses; remember the mob being fought in the Reaper reveal?

though that also might just be a Soulkin born from Garlemald's destruction

[regal lantern]

Ah neat

[maiden lodge]

Those were voidsent

or at least, I think that's the idea, that we see voidsent things in the reaper trailer

[severe brook]

oh maybe, i thought they were more like undead born from suffering at Zenos' and Fandaniel's hands, what with being the same pale white as the ash and snow around them and being conglomerates of wailing faces

[crystal arrow]

I dunno, they could be either - I thought it was a ghost, though, not a voidkin tbh

[maiden lodge]

Those things are in Tam-tara Hard Mode, aaaaand... Lost City of Amdapor?

[bold condor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKnkhAQxLKI

[bold condor]

This is Bismarck. I'm fairly certain they confirmed that when asked about it.

[severe brook]

oh probably i was just posting it in response to someone saying they hadn't seen where the whale could be from

[bold condor]

Ahhhh.

[severe brook]

it was interesting comparing the ShB and EnW Dungeon Crawls
the ShB one actually depicted a lot of the enemies, minibosses, and bosses

whereas EnW focused more on the dungeons themselves and looks to be keeping the foes fought inside of them hidden

[maiden lodge]

EW's also a lot longer way out than SB was.

Shadowbringers' dungeon crawl came out a month before release. We're still six months out from EW, so there's honestly less to show.

[gaunt star]

Probably because those bosses are massive spoilers

[maiden lodge]

That's also why Shadowbringers could showcase the musical themes for each dungeon, and used the actual cutscenes that play as you join the dungeon as part of the crawl. EW only showed three dungeons and one song, cause... that's probably all they got.

[kind lark]

They're all Zenos

[deft burrow]

job action trailer came out 2 months before release so we're looking at the trailer probably in september

[maiden lodge]

Honestly, I'm surprised we got a dungeon crawl this early

[gaunt star]

they should show 1 job action every week until release

[deft burrow]

like monster hunter with weapons

[maiden lodge]

'Gust Slash'
'Savage Blade'
'Cure'

[deft burrow]

yes

[gaunt star]

White Mage gets a week: uses non descript healing spell

[deft burrow]

like a 10 second video

at least we know the characters representing sage and reaper

[strong dew]

Watches just went live for preorder 🥰

[severe brook]

tick tock

[bold condor]

https://twitter.com/Pf_Letta/status/1394343417652547590

Letta (@Pf_Letta)

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[gaunt star]

I need to ask...does anyone know like just what they were going for for the music in that trailer for the place connected to Sharlayan? "Labyrinthos", I think it was called

[bold condor]

When put on piano, this gives me the same vibes as "Somnus" from FFXV.

[gaunt star]

Not a fan of the bunker music that shits gonna get old real quick

The music is all over the place and I'm tryna figure out why it's like that

[bold condor]

I think it's intentionally unnerving.

[gaunt star]

For the record I'm referring to this track https://youtu.be/umBoW_nTLUc

[bold condor]

I know.

[gaunt star]

Just making sure

"Unnerving" wasn't really the word I'd use

i like it kinda sounds like a wind up music box

Yeah, the beginning definitely does

[kind lark]

Watch as it grows on the community and people will make memes saying its underrated

[strong dew]

It's a bit grating compared to the other environmental themes

Like, I want to like it, but it doesn't seem to fit (as it stands; maybe it will work more once we're in that space)

[gaunt star]

I'm honestly just trying to pick up on it's stylistic elements, like what it's /trying/ to do

[strong dew]

Right. Like its definitely got a bit of a mechanical vibe

But still kind of whimsical

[gaunt star]

Yeah, when I think sharlayan I think mostly whimsical with classical elements

[crystal arrow]

It sounds whimsical, and sort of like... piped in, if that makes sense? reminds me of something that'd play in a theme park, and reminds me of something artificial

[severe brook]

it feels like the music I'd use for Tinker Gnomes in D&D

[crystal arrow]

like... it feels like something trying to imitate music that'd be associated with farming or nature or some shit

hard to put it into words but I think that makes sense

[gaunt star]

When you word it like that it makes more sense, it's very robotic

[severe brook]

probably is meant to be purposefully artificial and hollow, if Labyrinthos turns out to be a Sharlayan bunker or something

[crystal arrow]

It definitely is a sharlayan bunker, which is why I think the artificiality makes sense

[gaunt star]

Like it'd play in the home of a sharlayan dollmaker or some shit

[severe brook]

like if it was beautiful or idyllic, then Labyrinthos would seem nice
but it being the way it is, is letting us know "Oh this shit's fucked."

[crystal arrow]

idk, I'm thinking of this with automata's osts and themes fresh in my mind

[severe brook]

PUPPETMASTER CONFIORMED !!@!!
!

[gaunt star]

LMAO

[severe brook]

honestly i have been feeling that if Puppetmaster were to show up, it'd make most sense as a Sharlayan Limited Job

also really hoping we get Black Waltzes as Sharlayan super-mammets or something

[gaunt star]

Tfw one of my rp alts is a sharlayan-made soulkin so puppetmaster would be the perfect job for her

[severe brook]

"I command my lesser brethren to fight for me."
Emet-Selch: "Ah, so you get it."

[strong dew]

Oooo, this fits so we'll. I couldn't put my finger on it.

[maiden lodge]

The discordance makes it kinda creepy. Approve.

[crystal arrow]

Yeah, I think that's why it feels so wrong/uncanny.

[heady shadow]

I think its fine the way it is.
theres something up with the place probably that makes it spooky

[crystal arrow]

Like, if this is a bunker, I'd imagine that this is what's pumped in to make people feel like everything is totally, 100% okay, even though the world is absolutely fucked and ruined above them

[severe brook]

Labyrinthos definitely feels like a place where you're waiting for the other shoe to drop
even more than Amaurot, which also was like that

especially with how the dungeon crawl cuts off with the camera moving through that tunnel with the wind blowing outside

[maiden lodge]

Okay if Labyrinthos is in the Aetherial Sea?

[crystal arrow]

I wonder if labyrinthos is our last zone?

but, nahh... wouldn't make sense if it's not on the moon, unless...

[maiden lodge]

What if... the goal was to leave the dimension into the aether itself, creating a stable means by which to reside there?

Thus explaining Terraforming The Dungeon, and why it's a habitat

[teal geyser]

It's the secret 6th zone

[severe brook]

i feel like it could possibly link to the Aetherial Sea, but I don't think it's fully in it
my guess is that it has all the different biomes for the same reason we have the Seed Vault

[deft burrow]

Labyrinthos is probably under Sharlayan

[maiden lodge]

The real secret sixth zone was that the secret zone wasn't sixth

[teal geyser]

[maiden lodge]

But really--we know Sharlayan was looking into a means to get into the Aetherial Sea.

The trailer hints that Sharlayan had knowledge of the star's instability

[severe brook]

because i think Sharlayan plans to hide within Labyrinthos, wait for the apocalypse to end, then emerge and restore the world with the samples of its people, nature, and geography they took in with themselves

[crystal arrow]

I mean, it totally could... note that they said it was underground but they didn't say it was on the planet, they said that it's a mystery as to where it actually is underground

[deft burrow]

May have already found it and thats why they are so secluded

[maiden lodge]

The aetherial sea is also underground by Sharlayan means

[severe brook]

yeah, that's why i'm thinking it links to it. could also be that Labyrinthos is currently in the "real world" but Sharlayan plans to shunt it into the Aetherial Sea once everyone they want to save is inside

[crystal arrow]

like a lifeboat, rather than a bunker, then?

[severe brook]

it's a bunker and an ark

[maiden lodge]

The 'biome dungeon' is actually why--that place has dimensional warps and shit you can see--it looks like a place between or across worlds, tbh.

[severe brook]

i still guess that's so they can store examples of different climates' aether so that when they return to the world above, literally or metaphysically, they can recreate all the diversity of existence that used to be

[maiden lodge]

And Sharlayan making an ark makes sense in a way--the city was founded by up and fucking off from the Sixth Calamity. When the Seventh was looming--their response was to up and fuck off from their colony. There seems to be a pattern of exodus, and it might actually date further back than the War of the Magi.

[severe brook]

it could be that Labyrinthos looking like a mishmash of technologies is because it started as an old project that's been updated over the centuries, so you have stuff like the old looking pipes and spires, the decently advanced clockwork sun (THE SUN THE SUN THE SUN) and the very advanced looking walls and rifts

[crystal arrow]

I wanna know wtf is up with that sun

[severe brook]

Anima's in there

[maiden lodge]

Yeah I'm just.... I have many questions. Good job keynote, making me questions

[crystal arrow]

you jest but I really do think anima will be associated with sharlayan somehow

[maiden lodge]

Lab being connected with Sharlayan does make sense too because otherwise we don't have a Sharlayan zone

[severe brook]

i mean right now one possibility i'm considering is that Anima will be the Sharlayan Primal, an avatar of the Aetherial Sea embodied to help them survive through Labyrinthos
but then Telophoroi manipulations will lead to those who were meant to summon Anima being tempered to Garlemald and so Anima is warped into...Anima.

[crystal arrow]

nah, I think they're going to tie in/mirrior the original story of anima, have her be imprisoned by them and they're experimenting on her, or she's some primal they created artificially in an attempt to emulate/regain creation magic

[maiden lodge]

Anima seems to have too many design elements in common with Lunar Bahamut for me to think it's something unrelated to the Telephoroi.

[crystal arrow]

Since like, if labyrinthos is connected to the ancients somehow they must have access to those raw concepts the ancients stored, right? we saw the sahagin (or whatever they're called on the first) in anamnesis use them to create a cyclops and other monsters, seems like others could do the same

[severe brook]

my running theory is that Fourchenault's been subverted by the Telophoroi somehow (cough Cagnazzo cough), and is purposefully leading the Forum further and further into isolationism to take a possible threat to the Telophoroi off the table and trick them into creating their own destruction, with them getting all of their number into Labyrinthos and trying to summon Anima only for her to become the greatest of Lunar Beasts and annihilate them.

Giving them the rope to hang themselves, as it were.

[maiden lodge]

Anamnesis was a records facility though.

Not all ancient ruins would have recording crystals.

[crystal arrow]

I mean, we saw them strewn about the weird dimension dungeon.

[maiden lodge]

Yes. But that doesn't look Sharlayan either, that's Ancient AF.

[crystal arrow]

and I said if labyrinthos is connected to the ancients somehow

[severe brook]

could be that Sharlayan acquired some Ancient record-keeping stuff and used that as the basis for the Labyrinthos plan

[maiden lodge]

I mean I'm not certain the dungeon and labs is related directly.

[forest magnet]

idk the Ancients and Sharlayan have a connection. you see that nautilius in akademia

[severe brook]

perhaps from those apparently-Amaurotine flying islands?

[crystal arrow]

I mean, there's obviously amaurotine influences on the architecture of labyrinthos

[maiden lodge]

The art deco is not even doubtable.

[severe brook]

maybe Nyunkrepf found the flying islands area and was inspired to create Sharlayan from what he found there, in addition to the War of the Magi

[rotund lake]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4f5MhKEA70

[severe brook]

Nyunkrepf: "Something something our tragedy must never again come to pass, something something free will was a mistake."

[crystal arrow]

and, for the record, concept cylinders in the dimension dungeon: https://i.imgur.com/TTwehD7.png

[maiden lodge]

What there isn't is Sharlayan influences.

[crystal arrow]

you see some in the towers in the skybox but that's it

[maiden lodge]

The lab's aetheryte has a specific shape to it, one we've had before

[crystal arrow]

or wait, what if the opposite is the case? we have to go through the tower to get to labyrinthos

[severe brook]

the mechanized pipes are almost identical in design to similar machinery in Matoya's Relict

so it may be that Labyrinthos is an older project being repurposed as a bunker or ark

[maiden lodge]

The architecture isn't really though, there's a theme to it you can just tell--they go ham on blues and such. This... it's a different feel

There's somewhere I'm going with this, I just have to find what I'm thinking of

[teal geyser]

I doubt he'd be happy with how Sharlayan exists now

[severe brook]

oh certainly, i'm just playing with all the "Nyunkrepf was an Ancient in disguise" theories

[teal geyser]

He used his knowledge to save as many people as he could in the calamity. He just said "no war plz" as his teachings

[maiden lodge]

You know what... actually I think I might be wrong

Labyrinthos, I think I know where it is

[dim sigil]

In the moooooon

[maiden lodge]

No

[dim sigil]

Scala ad caelum

[maiden lodge]

I'm just checking some things, will get back with report in a sec

Imight have cracked the code

[kind lark]

Labyrinthos is clearly in the new world.

[maiden lodge]

omg seriously, I think I figured it out

[chilly bluff]

It's Origin

[crystal arrow]

lemme guess, under the ocean because the elevator looks like grenoldt's pod thing

[maiden lodge]

no no no lab's got something we've seen before

and in ONLY one place

[kind lark]

Limsa?

[crystal arrow]

new sharlayan, orr?

[maiden lodge]

Give me a second, I'm just checking a few final places

[teal geyser]

It's in Dragonstar guys

[maiden lodge]

You're not far from wher eI'm going.

[teal geyser]

[maiden lodge]

That aetheryte exists in only two places. Dravania, and Falcon's Nest.

That's a DRAGON aetheryte.

[crystal arrow]

aetheryte is probably a placeholder, though

[maiden lodge]

That's where Vrtra is from

[crystal arrow]

I don't think that's a good metric to go by

[kind lark]

Its inside middy

[teal geyser]

internal screaming

[maiden lodge]

Dravanian-only aetheryte?

[crystal arrow]

vrtra.... is probably in thavnair.....

[maiden lodge]

It's either in Dravania or connected.

[teal geyser]

May I ask why...Vrtra is in Dravania and is never mentioned? lol

[maiden lodge]

And if it's in Thavnair, Vrtra is the ONLY connection

[crystal arrow]

No it's not, again, placeholder. Everything subject to change.

[maiden lodge]

Then by that logic everything else is and speculation about what we see based on architecture is all null and void.

[crystal arrow]

oh come on that's bullshit lol

[maiden lodge]

The alternative is accepting what we see until proven otherwise.

[crystal arrow]

please explain, then, why radz doesn't have a unique aetheryte and why we see a sharlayan one in thavnair

that aetheryte is 1000% out of place looking at it now, I don't think we can read anything into it at all

[maiden lodge]

A better question is, if they wanted to use a placeholder, why would they not use the Sharlayan Aetheryte, or the generic basic bitch aetheryte, and instead, used one specific to one location?

[tropic frigate]

plus they mentioned a bit that stuff was WiP

[heady shadow]

i dont think things like aytherytes are placeholders or whatever

and i thinkthe wip is stuff thats mostly going hey why does that not look finished

[crystal arrow]

they definitely are, lol - no way radz doesn't have a unique aetheryte

[maiden lodge]

Right but I don't think it's fair to play the game of 'This archtecture here is valid to speculate on but this other archtecture here is completely invalid to speculate on because placeholder.' Either any of it can be placeholder, or we accept that even if it is a placeholder, it's what we got, and we have to speculate based on what we got.

[crystal arrow]

with this in the upper left corner imma say we really can't interpret shit from what aetherytes look like https://i.imgur.com/RzTEXaa.png

[tropic frigate]

i would be surprised if its meant to be there of all things considering sharlayan unless something happens

because they said something about the character coming up right?

[maiden lodge]

And 'it's a placeholder' begs the question 'why are they not using the same placeholder? Why would they use different placeholders in different spots. Especially because we know of two aetherytes that most certainly are not placeholders.

[tropic frigate]

and our first location could be thaivnair

[gaunt star]

It’s probably a placeholder or so I’d like to believe. It doesn’t make sense for it to be there otherwise

[crystal arrow]

it won't be. first location is almost always related to the main city, aka sharlayan.

I think the only time it wasn't is stormblood

[gaunt star]

Also I’m pretty sure another location in Thavnair uses a different one so why use 2 diff ones in the same zone ???

[maiden lodge]

Well no, it's a mishmash of different technologies and cultures, we're told that explicitly. That... actually... puts it in Dragon country, not away.

[tropic frigate]

o right i forgot my brain turned off

[crystal arrow]

now, what I want to know is wtf this is in the background, a ceruleum plant or some shit? https://i.imgur.com/QPchiEi.png

[gaunt star]

The bunker underneath Sharlayan is reached via the elevators most likely

[maiden lodge]

Glowing blue tubes makes me think Allagan personally

[heady shadow]

either way.
theres no reason to put off theories just because *muh placeholders
we are supposed to just theorize, not add Dev things that arent done.

make the theory then be wrong later is how its supposed to go.

I feel like this was said already too

[maiden lodge]

Plus it's not valid to go 'this is a placeholder why are you speculating' while using other things that could also equally be placeholders as valid to speculate on.

[crystal arrow]

?? aetherytes are easy to change, whole buildings and shit that seem pretty much done are not, that's just false equivalency.

[gaunt star]

I think Vrtra is currently smoking weed beneath Ul'dah..

[maiden lodge]

Yes, but as is established, they're using the Sharlayan aetheryte as a placeholder. Why are they 'using a completely different placeholder' elsewhere?

That's not how you placeholder!

And why would they use an obscure aetheryte style from, of all places Heavensward, instead of the placeholder aetheryte from ARR that no one would question being anywhere?

That aetheryte doesn't make sense as a placeholder aetheryte. It's not a generic one, and it's not local to the expansion itself.

[gaunt star]

Also what doesn’t make sense is why the bunker used a normie aetheryte instead of the Sharlayan one

[maiden lodge]

'normie' aetherytes are run and maintain by Sharlayans, so it would stand that Sharlayans would use those.

[heady shadow]

all im seeing here is the need to be right about everything and should not be disputed and everything else is off the table.

this isnt how theory crafting works T^T

[dim sigil]

Did anything come out of those datamined garlean aetherythes

[desert burrow]

There’s an inaccessible elevator in idyllshire where that big forge with a goblin that says they are going deeper underground. I reckon it’s under there

[gaunt star]

Well it stands to reason that we’ll see them when we visit Not-Detroit

[maiden lodge]

Yeah im expecting Garlemald to have Garlemald-aetheryte

[crystal arrow]

so trains then

[kind lark]

It'll have tentacles and teeth

[maiden lodge]

There's another reason we can't just rule out that specific aetheryte

[severe brook]

i am guessing that Labyrinthos' machinery combines technology from many different cultures and eras. so there'll be Allagan stuff, Garlean stuff, Sharlayan stuff, Mhachi stuff, and so on

[maiden lodge]

We know that they've placed aetherytes that are culturally appropriate to indicate a region's 'faction' so-to-speak already.

[forest magnet]

Then why is there a Sharlayan aetheryte in Thavnair...

[gaunt star]

Because the sharlayans use Thavnair as a resort/vacation spot like the Canary Islands

[maiden lodge]

A better question to ask is 'Is that a placeholder?'

That... might NOT be a place holder.

oh hey I just noticed the tower

If the thavnair aetheryte is a placeholder (and I'm not saying it isn't) why is that the only place they use that placeholder, and why would they use different placeholders elsewhere? Wouldn't they plunk down the same placeholder?

[crystal arrow]

... no?

[maiden lodge]

Yes... that's what placeholders are for. They're a generic 'bleh' until the real thing is ready.

[crystal arrow]

seems like you just want to believe you're correct but there's no reason for them to use the same aetheryte as a placeholder - again, please see the plain as fuck aetheryte in radz

[maiden lodge]

It's more likely that the nautilus is the generic aetheryte for EW than it's a placeholder--just like the Ronkan Aetheryte in ShB.

[neat edge]

Look forward to the final product

[maiden lodge]

If you're using placeholders you don't use fifty different placeholders, that defeats the fn purpose.

[severe brook]

i mean, they could also have some placeholders that are still speclialized to resemble the target area for the sake of presentation, even if they'll still be different in the final product
like putting Thavnairan blankets around the base of a sharlayan aetheryte to help it fit in some, for instance

[distant sonnet]

So heres a couple things. If it was a placeholder, why would the trailer for the zone very specifically focus on the Aetherite?

[maiden lodge]

But if they're plunking down placeholders in EW, they're not going to plunk down a dragon aetheryte from HW just for the lulz, bro

[maiden lodge]

mmmmhmmmmm\

[crystal arrow]

not you too

[distant sonnet]

Its dead center in the shot.

[maiden lodge]

It's not subtle.

[distant sonnet]

However. There are also more indications that its sharlayan than draconian.

[crystal arrow]

they're... just showing off how the area will look? is that truly so hard to believe?

[distant sonnet]

The symbols over the door, for example.

[maiden lodge]

Well that's just it though. Dragons, both from the Skylords and Landlords, and from what Tiamat and Bahamut, they often do form civilizations around the people with them, right?

[heady shadow]

you know what i see in the right of that pic? something unfinished

[maiden lodge]

Good eye. And Dravanian does not rule out Sharlayan.

[severe brook]

Azdaja was in Labyrinthos the whole time

[forest magnet]

We haven't seen a Thavnairian designed Aetheryte btw

It would make sense that Thavnair has their own design, instead of just importing one from Sharlayan

[gaunt star]

There’s one in the city and some kind of village there

[maiden lodge]

There's a Dravanian aetheryte in Idyllshire, for example

[crystal arrow]

and tbh I dunno where the whole "vrtra is in dravania!!!" thing came from, if anything he has to be in thavnair, and azdaja is probably in the new world

[forest magnet]

Or is it actually Sharlayan 🤔

[distant sonnet]

I like to refute shit with facts instead of Shrug

[maiden lodge]

Why not, the Eorzean city states use a Sharlayan design

[distant sonnet]

But yeah. Vrtra is in Thavnair.

[maiden lodge]

I didn't say Vrtra was in Dravania.

[distant sonnet]

... In the trailer, which admittedly may be a lie.

[maiden lodge]

I said the aetheryte is Dravanian, implying Draconic.

[distant sonnet]

Now another thing in its favor. The dungeon that looks very much like Labrynthos?

[maiden lodge]

Vrtra is not Dravanian, but he is most certainly Draconic

[distant sonnet]

Nests and roosting and stuff.

[crystal arrow]

sorry mate but until we get the final version that's a massive reach. I don't buy that as a connection at all.

[gaunt star]

This is where they keep chickens to eat

[maiden lodge]

Until we get a final version anything is a 'massive reach', so once you play this card, you're done speculating about anything.

So, you know, burn that bridge, if you like

[distant sonnet]

Speculation is fun, Jan.

[soft maple]

Not necessarily

[distant sonnet]

You throw shit at the wall and see what sticks.

[maiden lodge]

'Please don't speculate about things that could change later' is like... a conversation stopper, it's not valid. We know things could change later, and that includes anything, so meh.

[torpid yoke]

No speculation in my Christian server

[distant sonnet]

Personally I don't think it sticks very well, but I like where his head is at.

[maiden lodge]

And if it changes later and I turn out to be wrong? I literally don't care, I'm okay with later being wrong because of incomplete information.

[steep coral]

...And I will gorge upon such speculation, until the release my friends

[soft maple]

So we can all agree that the light on the moon in the beginning of the trailer wasn't the sun?

[steep coral]

[teal geyser]

[distant sonnet]

Also, not to knock your theory Dis

[maiden lodge]

We know Radz is heavily invested in specific types of research, soul-related stuff. maybe that's why there's a Sharlayan connection

[crystal arrow]

again, changing an aetheryte would be the easiest thing, I have no clue why you're trying to refute me by saying that they'd just decide to entirely change the architecture of labyrinthos dude, that makes so little sense

and there's no bridge to burn so that's not even a good threat

[forest magnet]

Well from a design standpoint a Sharlayan design reserved for their capital being used in Thavnair isn't logical. That aetheryte looks out of place and clashes with the surrounding architecture.

[crystal arrow]

I'm getting flashbacks to the ronkan aetheryte shit

[maiden lodge]

'It could change therefore stop speculating' is just there to silence a different theory from yours. Every detail can be changed.

[teal geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/grandpa-abe-exit-confused-bye-bart-gif-7694184

[forest magnet]

what did that look like

[severe brook]

can't wait for Vrtra to fight us in the first Thavnair dungeon to test our worth

Sohm Al 2! Sohm Al 2!

[distant sonnet]

But here is the Labrynthos and the Idylshire aetherites side by side.

[torpid yoke]

Oh pog new fav emote

[crystal arrow]

please send help, that's what this feels like

[distant sonnet]

Between that and the nautilus on the door, I think its just Sharlayan.

[heady shadow]

gonna just reply to my mesage here again

[maiden lodge]

Also notice: That's in Anyx Trine, in Falcon's Nest, and in Zenith. I did not check Tailfeather and Moghome, to be fair.

[soft maple]

You see that a lot here, it can get disheartening at times but often hilarious most times

[maiden lodge]

Sharlayan aetherytes wouldn't be in Dragon ruins.

[bold condor]

you say that but

[distant sonnet]

Except that they are.

[severe brook]

Labyrinthos still feels more likely to be Sharlayan than Amaurotine to me, just because of the presence of mechanical technology
because usually the Ancients didn't use complex mechanisms for things, because they had creations and creation magic to do it instead

[maiden lodge]

Dragon aetherytes WOULD be in Sharlayan colonies in former dragon territory.

[bold condor]

i mean yeah all of those style of aetherytes were definitely built by Sharlayan, so that's actually like

[tropic frigate]

wait what is so amaurot about labyrinthos?

[bold condor]

dragons don't use aetherytes tho...

[maiden lodge]

Ain't no Sharlayans in heckin Zenith.

[bold condor]

I know. It's an internal inconsistency in HW.

[distant sonnet]

Oh, sure. But what makes more sense: dragons loaned the Sharlayans at Idylshire an aetheryte, or that was just.. the aetheryte they used during Heavensward and they didn't put a whole ton of extra thought into it until now

[bold condor]

But those are definitely aetherytes built by Sharlayans. Because dragons can't build those.

That's half of why the Churning Mists civilization was a good thing; dragons can't build these structures themselves.

[distant sonnet]

Dragons don't build shit. See: That one dragon that learned to build shit recently and everyone was like woooooah.

[maiden lodge]

But it's not. You also don't see those in Cloudtop, Ok'Zundu, or Foundation. You only see them in former Dragon territory. And no, the dragons wouldn't need to build them, but Landlords would.

[teal geyser]

Give Ehll Tou some hundred years

[bold condor]

They can't possibly be Landlord aetherytes because they're also in Falcon's Nest and Tailfeather.

[crystal arrow]

nah she can do it now

[gaunt star]

Could gobbies build aetherytes

[bold condor]

Also Idyllshire.

[torpid yoke]

The fact sharlayan acts like amaurot of course

[maiden lodge]

Falcon's Nest is as close to Dravania as can be without being in it

[bold condor]

The Idyllshire one is big because Sharlayans are literally known for building aetherytes.

They wouldn't have kept an old one around from 1000 years ago.

Also, the Calamity knocked out the realm's aethernet anyway.

[maiden lodge]

What's more likely--a town formed by ex-Landlords has a Landlord Aetheryte that's only found in places Landlords once were, or Sharlayans installed Sharlayan aetherytes in places Sharlayans could not go to?

[distant sonnet]

See the thing is, they put the aetheryte front and center literally in the goddamn middle of a lingering shot in the trailer. You don't do that if it was a placeholder aetheryte. Its not that you're wrong, its that this argument is bad.

[torpid yoke]

Also because ppl think the multiple local dungeon ties into labynthos

[zinc folio]

is the male viera reveal trailer music new? Does anyoneknow the name?

[bold condor]

What's likely is HW devs didn't give a fuck about the aetherytes

[heady shadow]

its a big thing irl too sadly.

[distant sonnet]

Its just an assets thing, I think.

[crystal arrow]

It's not a bad argument, saying that something being put front and center means it's meant to be there is a shit argument. We see archaeotania and philia fighting in the benchmark in Kholusia, does that mean they're meant to be there?

[teal geyser]

It's new but there isn't a name for it or anything and we haven't heard it anywhere else???

[gaunt star]

Wait garlemald has aethrytes? Tf

[maiden lodge]

But they DO give a fuck, we see unique aetherytes in multiple places that are not connected to Landlords, including Azys Lla (also a precalamity aetheryte), Ok Gundu, and Ishgard (using the generic aetheryte found in the rest of Eorzea)

[teal geyser]

Yeah man, why not?

[distant sonnet]

Yeah two impressive looking monsters in the benchmark is not a zone preview. False equivalence is also a bad argument.

[gaunt star]

I....okay i guess the conscripts...

[torpid yoke]

Garlemald still has other races silly

[teal geyser]

and just civilians

[gaunt star]

Right right

[heady shadow]

people acting like my boi arenvald cant use atherytes?

[crystal arrow]

I think my last brain cell is about to fizzle out and die I swear

[gaunt star]

Just that aetherytes arent the first thing that comes to mind when u say garlemald

[bold condor]

Look, I know better than to try to convince you of anything.

[soft maple]

You guys happy that they ala mhigo'd garlemald

[maiden lodge]

And I'm not saying it's 100%, but, like... seeing a Dravanian aetheryte in Labyrinthos asks questions. And if it's meant to be 100% sharlayan, why wouldn't they just use the Sharlayan aetheryte

[gaunt star]

I was just thinking garlemald and then the cities they took over + conscripts

[maiden lodge]

The same aetheryte you're saying is a placeholder in Thavnair?

[bold condor]

But to everyone else. Is it not possible, nay plausible that the dev team made only a handful of aetheryte models using their resources in HW, and then plugged them in where they fit aesthetically?

[torpid yoke]

Are you comparing the benchmark to a city crawl

[distant sonnet]

"Hey this spot is a ruin. Lets put the other aetherytes we put around ruins here. Okay cool moving on."

"Hey we need an aetheryte for a Sharlayan colony place. Lets grab the one from the Sharlayan colony place. Okay moving on."

[bold condor]

Because to be honest it wouldn't make sense for there to be ANY aetheryte in Anyx Trine or Zenith if you really think about it.

They don't stay okay forever. You need to maintain them. That's what Sharlayan makes its money off of.

[maiden lodge]

Very possible, yet there's still a consistancy to it. But that begs the question why they did NOT do that for Labyrnithos, and instead of using the Sharlayan aetheryte we've already seen in a place that seems odd... they used one from the past?

[teal geyser]

Yeah sure I don't mind. I'm not actually bothered by Ala Mhigo at all anyway since we do get a decent chunk anyway so you can still vibe in the city

[crystal arrow]

?? it's not even a city crawl?

my point is that they do a lot of shit waaay out from release and it makes it seem like it's supposed to be there, when it isn't.

[bold condor]

I mean, I think that's still a placeholder in Labyrinthos. I'm just talking about the HW discrepancies.

[soft maple]

Yeah but it's like a PART of the city....and I don't get to see any Rhalgr banners as I walk around

[bold condor]

Which is to say I think HW devs were hoping you wouldn't ask that.

[maiden lodge]

Possible, but it's a weird placeholder to use, instead of the generic ARR aetheryte which... we've seen them use as a generic aetheryte.

[distant sonnet]

Alright lets follow this up another way: Do we know if the Sharlayan colony in Dravania had any contact with the dragons?

[teal geyser]

Good that's weird, cities don't have banners around every corner unless you're fucking Ishgard

[crystal arrow]

radz has banners everywhere

[bold condor]

I think they wanted one aetheryte to be used most places, then a different ones in specific places where that one wouldn't fit.

[maiden lodge]

And we know they do sometimes use aetherytes as an architectural statement: Ok' Zundu's really unique one really helps sell it as disconnected

[soft maple]

AND THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT IF ITS RHALGR BANNERS

[teal geyser]

ngl I kinda blanked out in that trailer

[maiden lodge]

yeah but the generic one would fit ther.e

[soft maple]

#monk4life

[bold condor]

But the generic one is from ARR. They'd want one that looks like a HW aetheryte

[torpid yoke]

Ye probably. Lesser budget and all back then

[bold condor]

Additionally, there actually is lore on the ARR aetheryte, and it IS supposed to be a new model compared to others.

[distant sonnet]

Because I wouldn't be surprised at all if it turns out the Sharlayans put the aetherytes in around the dragon areas while they were there, if they had basically any contact with the dragons at all.

[maiden lodge]

I mean we're arguing about why they'd use a placeholder from a different expansion, sooo

[bold condor]

Again. That's not what I'm talking about.

I do not care about the stupid Labyrinthos placeholder.

If it's permanent or not, it won't bother me.

[maiden lodge]

Like... imagine if they used the generic one from Othard in there, we'd be like 'Why is there an Othardi aetheryte here?'

[forest magnet]

if they wanted to hint at some connection they would've done it some other way apart from the aetheryte placement

[teal geyser]

TIL

[bold condor]

Yeah that would be weird because Othardian aetherytes have lore specific to them. Tenkonto are built by the Onishishu.

[maiden lodge]

I get that too, if it changes it changes, I'm fine with that. It just seems wierd to dismiss it as a placeholder when it's not the aetheryte that makes sense as a placeholder

[crystal arrow]

It wouldn't be weird because I'd just understand that it's a placeholder and wait till it's finalized.

[bold condor]

I don't care. You're not listening. I literally have no opinion on if it's a placeholder or not.

[distant sonnet]

I'm still just not sure why they'd put a placeholder as the central focus of a long lingering shot of their preview.

When it can easily be explained as "This is the aetheryte they use for colonies." and then thats it.

[maiden lodge]

.....

[soft maple]

So why is there a moon on the moon

[crystal arrow]

Now, what's clearly a placeholder is this radz one, which is just an ARR aetheryte with some cloth on it. https://i.imgur.com/eOpRq2w.png

[teal geyser]

No

[soft maple]

That's a bait

[teal geyser]

That's just their aetheryte

[crystal arrow]

yes

[maiden lodge]

That could be a Sharlayan-maintained aetheryte. Also, that's from an older build.

[bold condor]

Don't ... me, you'd have known that if you read the three times I said I was just talking about how weird it is in HW.

[soft maple]

Don't fall for the bait!

Actually it was ..... Not ...

[distant sonnet]

I'd be more willing to bet that they just kinda fucked up and didn't make enough aetherytes in HW than anything else.

And that there probably should have been a draconian one

[maiden lodge]

The real wierdness is why a post-Umbral Calamity aetheryte from Sharlayan is in Ishgard.

[distant sonnet]

Game mechanics, honestly.

[bold condor]

HW aetherytes are weird in general, yes, now you get it.

[distant sonnet]

Almost none of the HW aetherytes should exist.

[maiden lodge]

The thing is, they made a conscious choice to put a generic aetheryte in most Ishgardian spaces except one

[bold condor]

But you gotta teleport so... aetherytes it is.

[bold condor]

ngl i think it's just aesthetics.

I don't think they had Koji behind them when they placed those assets.

[maiden lodge]

Yeah but... that still begs the question why 'all dragon things use the same aethetic'

[bold condor]

If they did maybe they'd have slapped some ears on the Mother of the Sheave.

IN WHAT WORLD IS THAT SHIVA

[distant sonnet]

Now as interesting as dragons living in Labrynthos would be ( Seriously it would be super cool, you know that part with all the different biomes? Lava biome and shit? Cause dragons change into different forms based on inclination and location and need and all that shit? Rad. ) I just don't think that they'd have a biodome for an elder wyrm for no reason.

[bold condor]

||The First, obviously. :^)||

[maiden lodge]

Ysayle's wish fulfilment land.

[teal geyser]

I am confused

[soft maple]

Tbh if you're having this much of a headache about the lore placement of aetherytes back then as opposed to the placement of aetherytes now, it's probably because there wasn't much regard for it back then. Either there was reason and it was poorly expressed within the story, or there wasn't and they just put it there and moved on

[bold condor]

HW aetheryte lore doesn't make sense except for the few places that have unique aetheryte models.

[sterile galleon]

I wonder if male Viera naming conventions will be any different from the females'

[teal geyser]

No no I get the argument, the Shiva bit

[bold condor]

Oh, the Mother of the Sheave is a statue of Shiva, but it's Hyuran not Elezen.

[teal geyser]

What you think Shiva didn't have icicle hair?- oh

[maiden lodge]

Except for the part that there IS a consistancy there.

[teal geyser]

Wait that's a statue in Churning Mists right?

[bold condor]

The sightseeing log eventually had to handwave this, yes.

But I'm sure the model was made before that happened.

If it weren't, Koji or someone else would probably have corrected it.

[distant sonnet]

Okay question. Did any of the ARR aetherytes have unique models?

[soft maple]

Beast tribes did, I think

[teal geyser]

Hrae cries in sleep that night

[bold condor]

Good question. Not counting beast tribe ones, uhhh...

[maiden lodge]

I do not think so, but they're all in Eorzea.

[distant sonnet]

Sure but so is Ishgard and Dravania.

[bold condor]

I think it's also a matter of the other expansions just having an easier time of it until EW.

[distant sonnet]

I think that means that unique aetherytes just kinda became a thing in HW, and it wasn't fully realized until later on.

[maiden lodge]

Yeah but I mean, in the Alliance--trading with outer cities, not cut off from the world, etc

[bold condor]

tbf uh

Ishgard did let SOME people in, and I'm sure when the Sharlayans made their rounds post-Calamity, they probably were allowed inside

[maiden lodge]

any aetheryte in Idyllshire would be an old model regardless

[bold condor]

Like how Cid Garlond and the Ironworks were allowed inside Ishgard before HW to work with Skysteel.

[maiden lodge]

And I'm not going to appeal to 1.0 aetheryte models as evidence of anything cause you know

[bold condor]

Sharlayan dignitaries offer to repair the broken aetheryte you absolutely need, you don't turn 'em away, is all.

Especially if it's being bankrolled by the Syndicate.

[maiden lodge]

Hang on I actually know of a pre-calamity aetheryte that would be 1.0-canonical, let me check it

[bold condor]

Yeah I also had that one in mind, in uh Camp Riversmeet?

[maiden lodge]

WCH?

[teal geyser]

The price Ishgard had to pay was Sharlayan telling them the good word of peace and harmony

[maiden lodge]

Yeah

[bold condor]

I mean it looks like a 1.0 aetheryte. But then, that's intended because returning area nostalgia.

[maiden lodge]

Okay

[maiden lodge]

So... that tells us it's actually not likely Idyllshire's is a pre-Calamity-style Sharlayan aetheryte.

Cause... it's not the Sharlayan model

[bold condor]

It really doesn't tell us anything.

[maiden lodge]

Well it tells us what aetherytes Sharlayan was making when they lived there

[bold condor]

Look, from a metanarrative perspective, it's probably just that they made a new aetheryte design for HW, wanted to make it iconic so that you know "hey, I'm in a HW zone"

And then plopped it wherever they didn't plan a unique one.

[distant sonnet]

Then SB hit and it was like "Oh we have two types of zones. Two aetherytes it is!"

[maiden lodge]

Using that metanarrative argument, they only use it in specific zones though, which... I mean... that's kinda my argument isn't it?

[bold condor]

The Ishgard one is simple.

[distant sonnet]

"See it'll be cool because SB is segmented and requires distinction that HW didn't require"

[maiden lodge]

And Cloudtop.

[bold condor]

They already used that for the other three Eorzean city-states you visited, and it looks good when made big.

And Cloudtop one probably looks better aesthetically with that big compass, but also it's a more recent development lorewise, they only just settled there.

[maiden lodge]

Right but Falcon's Nest and Idyllshire aren't new, right

[bold condor]

Like, just saying there's no way that the Sharlayans would coincidentally design the same exact aetheryte for Idyllshire as the dragons used 1000 years ago.

They constantly iterate on aetheryte design, the logic does not exist in a narrative sense.

[maiden lodge]

I'm not saying they would either. But they wouldn't necessarily have to if it was already there.

[bold condor]

You're looking for a coherent lore reason where there is none.

Natural aetherytes DO NOT LOOK LIKE THAT.

[maiden lodge]

I'm not claiming it's natural.

I'm claiming it's Draconic.

[bold condor]

Dragons can't build aetherytes.

[maiden lodge]

Or more accurately, Landlord

[soft maple]

You mean, dravanian

[inner kite]

Dragons used aetherytes lol yeah right

[crystal arrow]

Dragons don't make them. They're not draconic, nor does it make sense for there to be an aetheryte like that in idyllshire.

[bold condor]

Landlords have been gone for centuries. Why would Sharlayans build aetherytes that look like Landlord ones?

Again. You are looking for a narrative throughline where one does not exist.

[distant sonnet]

Dragons can't build shit. That was the whole point of the whole Ehll Tou thing.

[bold condor]

It's a video game. Not every aesthetic decision is going to make 100% lore-compliant sense.

[gaunt star]

What if aliens built those aetherytes and you're all wrong

[bold condor]

Dragons are aliens, Dis would be right.

[inner kite]

It was tataru all along

[maiden lodge]

"Why would Sharlayans build aetherytes that look like Landlord ones?"

I dunno, I'm not arguing this. At all.

[crystal arrow]

Yeah, this. Ehll Tou had to evolve in a specific way to be capable of crafting.

[bold condor]

Dragons didn't live in the hinterlands.

[soft maple]

Being a videogame doesn't mean you CAN'T make everything make sense

But I see where you're coming from

[gaunt star]

Lolorito is actually a parasitic alien named Bofa and we must all worship Bofa!!

[maiden lodge]

Seriously the Motte and Bailey

[distant sonnet]

And it came as a wild surprise that she was able to do so.

[heady shadow]

how did we get to where Labryinthos could be and maybe Vrtra is to this....

[maiden lodge]

'Dragons don't build shit!' 'I never said the dragons themselves did, the Landlords did, but it's the same culture' 'Okay but you should have said Dravanain' 'I did originally.' 'Okay but why would Sharlayans build Landlord stuff?' 'Dravanians built them before the Sharlayans showed up, they're only in Dravania' 'But dragons can't build anything' I can't keep up.

[crystal arrow]

You literally did, by saying that they're the same and thus lore reason for being the same.

[maiden lodge]

No I didn't and you know that.

[bold condor]

Dis, the Sharlayans wouldn't use Landlord built aetherytes.

[inner kite]

Landlords arent dravanians

[maiden lodge]

And why not? They know how to fix and repurpose old aetherytes.

[bold condor]

They'd be fucking decrepit, and they literally had a whole-ass facility dedicated to making aetherytes in the town, the Arkitekton.

[gaunt star]

Vrtra is an Ascian dragon Reaper and Estinien is his void spirit animal.

[maiden lodge]

And what do those aetherytes look like?

[maiden lodge]

We know, factually, they can refurbish broken busted aetherytes.

Alphinaud knows how and he's a teenage riot

[distant sonnet]

Isn't it more likely that Vrtra was just hanging out in Thavnair?

[mighty light]

Is there anything saying the Goblins and other Idyllshire residents didn't install the Aetheryte after they took up residence there

[crystal arrow]

why would they do that when they can make their own, dis

[maiden lodge]

I never said he's hanging out in Dravania

[bold condor]

You, factually, make me lose my will to live.

[maiden lodge]

Ask heckin Alphinaud who literally does that.

[soft maple]

No, vrtra is pissed off in the trailer.

[crystal arrow]

you're reaching to justify a nonexistent connection.

[teal geyser]

Sums up dragons pretty nicely

[maiden lodge]

Why would you build a new aetheryte when there's one right there, that you can just fix

[distant sonnet]

Okay. So was it that.. Labrynthos wasn't part of Sharlayan and was instead dragon built or something?

[bold condor]

I feel like I'm a terrible person just by trying to argue anything with you.

[soft maple]

Lul

[maiden lodge]

That it has something to do with Dragons.

[gaunt star]

What if Vrtra is a bunch of Tataru clones in a dragon suit.

[teal geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/nope-stupid-slap-in-the-face-phone-gif-15151334

[distant sonnet]

Oh. ... but why?

[bold condor]

Because it just spirals into an hour long back and forth.

[crystal arrow]

Same, I feel like I need to like... take a long walk, reconsider my life choices because of these arguments.

[distant sonnet]

Because I think we've gone down a long road that won't actually lead anywhere as it stands.

[bold condor]

Honestly, believe what you want, it's fine. It's not like my life depends on it.

[gaunt star]

tataru is zodiark

[bold condor]

I give up.

[soft maple]

But no, the dialogue with estinien suggests that vrtra has a stake in the fight being made.

[teal geyser]

duh

[distant sonnet]

( Although I do want to go make a goddamn spreadsheet of all the aetherytes and which model they use now because I'm a dorkass who likes spreadsheets. )

[maiden lodge]

Dravanian aetheryte indicative of the sorts of architecture that forms when Dragons ally with humans, which has multiple historical precidents.

[bold condor]

[soft maple]

And seeing as both thavnair and vrtra both are inspired by themes of Hinduism, I'm inclined to believe it's due to the state of thavnair being in danger in some way, shape, or form

[inner kite]

[maiden lodge]

Vrtra having some sort of human alliance in his past makes sense if you consider that Ratatoskr, Bahamut, and Tiamat did the same thing.

[bold condor]

Let's please just move on.

[mighty light]

"Who pissed in your cornflakes?"
"Philisephieux Bartholimexier, two-thousand-four-hundred-and-eight years, twenty-seven days, five hours, eight minutes and between twenty and thirty seconds ago, upon the third-highest peak of Abalathia."

[teal geyser]

A) rude
B) pretty sure they are

[distant sonnet]

I see. Alright.
I don't really see why not, I guess.
Personally I still think Labrynthos isn't even a biodome and is instead like, superjail. But.

[quartz charm]

having any argument over models in game is dumb anyways because ofc SE will reuse things at any time its possible. Look at the crystarium history -> RDMs 1st cg -> that tech demo from '10

[maiden lodge]

Not for a couple more weeks.

[mighty light]

I mean
Models do mean things
Just gotta be careful what conclusions you draw

[orchid plinth]

I hope TWEWY goes to ffxiv as raid alliance, because reapers lol

[maiden lodge]

Right but the Dravanian aetheryte is wierd... it sticks out as wierd, right?

[mighty light]

6.0 Alliance raid is not a crossover

[soft maple]

Weird*

[bold condor]

Oh shit the TWEWY reference Reaper isn't even a thing I considered but now I'm finna fight some Noise.

[quartz charm]

wait is the laha one a 24man and the twelve fight is?

[soft maple]

Twewy?

[quartz charm]

I think I missed a detail or two over the weekend about it

[bold condor]

The World Ends With You

[mighty light]

Pandaemonium is the 8-man

[maiden lodge]

Myths is the 24man series

[distant sonnet]

Ehhhh. I don't think so, if only because I can excuse it as just "Yeah thats the same one from Idylshire." But like, it could be neat, I guess? Suppose we'll see.

[soft maple]

I've never played lol

[mighty light]

Neither of the raids are crossovers or references in this expac; they're both FFXIV-original stories.

[orchid plinth]

You're missing out

[maiden lodge]

Yeah and like, i'd buy it being under idyllshire or whatever, Sharlayan's buried a lot of shit in the area. Literally.

[bold condor]

They're references to FFXIV.

[quartz charm]

sorry pandemonium is a ff2 ref in name 😢

[bold condor]

It is, but the raid concept is apparently original.

[mighty light]

Um
Ackshually
It's a reference to John Milton's Paradise Lost
Phillisti-- //shot

[soft maple]

Both raids are probably going to talk about the old world

[teal geyser]

I think it might borrow some narrative similarities but yeah it's going to be pretty original

[maiden lodge]

I think Myths is going to give us more Azem lore, tbh

[distant sonnet]

And 9, and a few others. And like. 17th century latin.

[quartz charm]

tfw you dont live in the world where pandemonium is the mateus FF2 Emperor raid 😦

[maiden lodge]

Hell, I think Azem lore's coming in on a heckin dumptruck in EW

[soft maple]

Well, azem lore is tied to overall old world lore in general

[somber storm]

Azem and his grapes

[orchid plinth]

Grapes lol

[maiden lodge]

tbf 9 is more of a fanservice-reference game than FF14

[soft maple]

"I LIKE THE GRAPES OVER THERE"

[teal geyser]

Well you get Lahabrea who is the opposite to the scion of darkness Mateus so you almost get it

[quartz charm]

varis robbed us of the pauldron man

[soft maple]

"Azem, why would you want to bend over backwards for a place that we don't have anything to do with?"

"I like the grapes over there."

[distant sonnet]

Pfft. Tfw you don't live in a world where pandemonium is where the dead sleep in stasis and the souls of an ancient long dead civilization are kept waiting for the new world.

[dim sigil]

Isnt the raid with the 12 stuff supposed to be the non crossover

[orchid plinth]

No Exodus and Zalera espers yet

[quartz charm]

what if Zenos is the golbez of EW to complete the ff4 refs 🤣 although hes a lot less "forgiveable"

[inner kite]

He most likely is

[mighty light]

Slightly easier to say than "why don't you want to do anything; y'all suck. Get your act together. jfc."

[quartz charm]

MNK zenos 🧎

[distant sonnet]

Personally.. I think Gabranth is going to be a Golbez reference instead.

[mighty light]

Yes

[distant sonnet]

What with the 4th legion.

[soft maple]

I'm pretty sure we're going to get genuinely surprised by zenos in this expac

[maiden lodge]

tfw you don't live in a world where pandaemonium is an infinite cave network with a central flute-like structure that plays haunting wind sounds that drive everyone in the plane insane and where everyone is either barmy or looking for the first river to the more hospitible Hades, or the portal to Bedlam, which is nice this time of year.

[mighty light]

It'll still have inspiration from other FF games, because, like
That's how FF works, and it's especially how FFXIV works
But it's not going to be NieR

[soft maple]

Oh yeah, but I think they're used to him saying that seeing as azem DOESN'T listen to authority from the looks of things

[maiden lodge]

'At least there's no Tanar'i'

[distant sonnet]

That would explain the music in Labrynthos. Labrynthos is in Pandaemonium confirmed.

[maiden lodge]

The harmonica IS the Harmonica! OH NOES

[mighty light]

Yep; she's not really fond of people who just casually let others die because their deaths don't directly affect them.

[soft maple]

Azem is the goat, 100%

[inner kite]

Convocation are all puppets to telophoroi

[bold condor]

As a space alien, I see nothing wrong with the Labyrinthos music. (Actually it unironically reminds me of the music from here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8PgXhllhPU)

[soft maple]

I see the convocations as the Ultimate elite of politicians

Favored by their society to tell them what to do

Not by everyone but by the majority

Where does the telophoroi name come from?

[maiden lodge]

It kinda gives me less poppy vibes of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoAPPyIGNeA

[bold condor]

It means endbringers or something.

[maiden lodge]

End bearers/bringers

[soft maple]

I see. And that's what Daniel just randomly called them?

[maiden lodge]

Called himself.

And an unseen group.

[inner kite]

Greek. Phoros is bringer and telos is end

[soft maple]

Oh wow

That's incredible insightful actually

[gaunt star]

tataru is zodiark

[orchid plinth]

Zenos will be dancer in 6.5

[mighty light]

Tataru is Diabolos

[quartz charm]

blow up the aetherytes and make next expac the FF crystal chronicles one so the scion caravan can get going. I want thancreds dad van shenanigans

[maiden lodge]

Do three different dungeons a day or everyone you love dies let's go

[soft maple]

It would be AMAZING if we see the world of ffxiv change in real time 5 years down the line. Like there's an alliance with garlemald and industrialization happens and there are actual roads and shit across certain areas

[quartz charm]

The Silver Bazaar will return to its former glory, finally 🧎

[inner kite]

Derplander going gray

[sterile galleon]

The New World

[quartz charm]

actually speaking of lore I wonder how much active focus or aether it takes yshtola to "slow aging" or look young, derplander is on that

[soft maple]

OKAY yeah let's please talk about that

[inner kite]

Y'shtola is 23 tho

[quartz charm]

two years from japanese retirement age 🧎

[clever flume]

she's not...and she doesn't use anti-aging magicks

[soft maple]

Because I KNOW y'shtola looks weird in the trailer and no one wants to talk about it

[quartz charm]

I mustve confounded the general or reddit shitposting for real lore I suppose

[clever flume]

she's more likely 32, since y'hmitra is the younger sister and 26

[inner kite]

Doesnt y'shtola always look weird in trailers

[clever flume]

too many people have seriously said things like this so..

[soft maple]

She looked fine in shb

[inner kite]

I cant believe zenos is 26 with that voice

[gaunt star]

she looks fine on the trailer ive rewatched this thing 500 times

[soft maple]

That's Stockholm syndrome at that point lmfao

[inner kite]

Or urianger is 29

[quartz charm]

wait okay. "The hands of time ever stopped on twenty and three". could be a joke because of the time bubble esque story movement but then again 🤔 || https://i.imgur.com/PRdVlzj.png ||

[clever flume]

its just being cheeky

[soft maple]

End trailer has her face weird

[dim sigil]

Ill have none of that cheek

[clever flume]

like i said, her younger sister is 26

[silk cape]

her face is fine

[maiden lodge]

it's a reference to how some people lie about their age

[quartz charm]

no.... they would never.

[maiden lodge]

The modern form of the joke is 'I've been a young 23 for about fifteen years now'

[dim sigil]

Gra ha looks off

[quartz charm]

its his neck

[inner kite]

Nose

Looks like human ken dude

[gaunt star]

graha looks straight outta kpop

[bold condor]

It is a joke, that same passage basically reveals her real age.

Went to train with Matoya at age 7, spent a decade in her cave, and then joined the Circle of Knowing by 1562. She is bare minimum 32 years old.

[dim sigil]

Shes old living in the 1500s

[quartz charm]

I forgot there is a real day and date, since its colloquially astral era umbral era etc. time to read the ee again

[inner kite]

How old is master matoya tho

[quartz charm]

very

[gaunt star]

over 100

[maiden lodge]

We asked her and her response was 'Hold your tongue you impudent child'

[bold condor]

Matoya's age is probably close to Louisoix's (79-ish)

[maiden lodge]

So that's her age, officially. 'Stop asking stupid questions' years old.

[gaunt star]

damn only 79?

[bold condor]

tfw you don't wanna give your age but you're famous rivals with a guy who literally has a card game based on his age

(Louis Louis is a card game based around making the number 74, which was Louisoix's age when he "died")

[maiden lodge]

I don't even think she'd be hiding it, just... expressing annoyance that her tea is being interrupted.

[bold condor]

WAIT. I'm dumb, that's Thordan's age.

[inner kite]

72

[bold condor]

Ye.

[kind lark]

Don't ask a lady her age type situation

[maiden lodge]

Why is THIS game not in 14?!

[bold condor]

And Matoya is probably like 77.

[quartz charm]

okay lore experts if youre so smart how old is the WoL 🙂 /s

[bold condor]

tbh a lot of games described in the lorebook that use the AST deck should be made into mini-games when we reach Sharlayan

[kind lark]

Time bubble age

[gaunt star]

mentally 80

[maiden lodge]

True.

[quartz charm]

I knew hitting "uh... kupo" was the boomer response

[torpid yoke]

Anywhere from 18-60

[maiden lodge]

I would love to play poker with a deck of sixty or whatever, that sounds amazing

[gaunt star]

mentally with all the shit they ve seen

[bold condor]

If you could have any music from an old FF game show up in XIV, what track would you choose?

[gaunt star]

eternal wind.. oh wait

[maiden lodge]

Seriously, if they can make Doman Mahjong happen, anything is a possible

[quartz charm]

the bassline from ff2 scott pilgrim cover

[steep coral]

Seymour omnis

[maiden lodge]

already in game.

[steep coral]

Or otherworld

[bold condor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-k_RlD4cxjk

[maiden lodge]

FF2's fight theme is in game

[inner kite]

Melodies of life or suteki da ne

[quartz charm]

I said the scott pilgrim cover 🔫 give me the orchestrion roll now

[bold condor]

Technically correct, but Scott Pilgrim was referencing FF4.

[severe brook]

A Soken arrangement of Terra’s theme, incorporated at the level of Eternal Wind, would be cool.

[maiden lodge]

YUS

[bold condor]

Scott Pilgrim calls it FF2 because US FF4 is called FF2.

[maiden lodge]

Im gonna check on this

[gaunt star]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pilpUt_FLls thisss tbh tho it sounds a bit overkill for xiv

[bold condor]

But the song Dis is referencing is from actual FF2.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_N8nK2HmT2I

[maiden lodge]

wow you're right

[quartz charm]

forgot about that whole debacle. damn the 90s early 2000s feel like just yesterday

[soft maple]

I'm going to say sector 6 in ff7r

[bold condor]

They have the same baseline basically tho. All of the first six games kind of share it to an extent.

[quartz charm]

you spoony bards

[severe brook]

There are a few new songs from 7R that’d be cool in XIV. Valkyrie and Ghoul especially.

[maiden lodge]

the intro is one of FF's universe leitmotifs, but it's stuff after that's ff4

[bold condor]

Yeah for sure.

[severe brook]

Granted, part of Ghoul is a reorchestrated Hymn of the Fayth

[maiden lodge]

And scott IS the kind of asshat that would insist it's FF2 in 20xx

[bold condor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YREnZg5gLQo

I'm wheezing.

[quartz charm]

no excuse, he and young niles have that ds or psp or whatever. they were just a few years from knowing... unless FF1+2 port had already come out by then

[maiden lodge]

Scott is an asshat

[torpid yoke]

the fourms are uprising so male Viera being taller than female Viera

[maiden lodge]

And Edger Wright is the sort of director that would, even if the original wasn't meant to be FF4, who would MAKE it FF4 just because 'scott is an asshat'

While also not being the sort of director who would accidentally make it FF4 because he didn't do the research

[severe brook]

Edgar Wright knowing what Final Fantasy 4 is is such a weird thought to me

[quartz charm]

"You are fired from Ant Man for looking up insects and reading far too many comic books. die" - marvel, probably

[severe brook]

It’s not impossible, just not normally something that would come to mind

[maiden lodge]

Naw, that I believe in an instant

[severe brook]

• Disney, most certainly

[maiden lodge]

Edgar Wright is absolutely the sort of director who would have played Final Fantasy, with Simon Pegg and Nick Frost probably.

[gaunt star]

i swear these idiots are never happy

What's up with Azim and Azem?

[bold condor]

Urianger theorizes about it if you speak with him in the new room.

[maiden lodge]

It's a good question, and the game encourages you to ask it, without outright answering it.

[quartz charm]

if you had to rank azim azem and azeyma could you do it

[bold condor]

But to make it succinct and readable, the name "Azem" and its connotation to the sun has probably inspired the names of the sun goddess Azeyma and Xaela sun god Azim.

Azeyma is the best because judgement mommy.

[kind lark]

It feels good that I've never been to the forums

[gaunt star]

What if Azem and Azim banged and ascended?

[mighty light]

Azem, Azeyma, Azim

[wary perch]

How I wish this is a real function in game
https://twitter.com/2nepo/status/1393884823853309956?s=09

❂つねぽん❂🍃 (@2nepo)

これがPC勢の楽しみ方だ！！！ https://t.co/PlFJ3uriqw

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[quartz charm]

I only ever go on the forum when google spits out a response that is 10 years outdated. stuff like "How do I augment my ironworks gear with tomestones of pizzaroni. (edit: fixed, closing this post)"

[gaunt star]

Forums?

[kind lark]

I would rather ask in here or the balance for info

[gaunt star]

Those sound like a bad place.

[quartz charm]

the forums still have some good 1.0 era lore dumps at least iirc

[gaunt star]

1.0 is dead to me after my 1.0 titles didn't transfer over to 2.0

[severe brook]

One of the Akademia’s first restrictions on Creation Magick was ‘No self-duplication’ after the Endless Epimetheus Incident of 1003470.

[gaunt star]

What about SCP but for Amaurot.

[bold condor]

what if SCP is from Amaurot

[mighty light]

It's okay, they don't have souls

[bold condor]

Sharlayan SCPs

[severe brook]

That very well may have been the contents of the Words of Emet-Selch, judging by what’s implied.

[maiden lodge]

it's okay it's dead to everyone else as well as of 1.0

[severe brook]

Since the seat of Emet-Selch is implied to be the one concerning the inner workings of aether and constructs, so I could see them keeping weird and anomalous stuff, or at least records of it after it got shut down.

[dim sigil]

Scp 014 erp

[gaunt star]

Which SCP is this..

[severe brook]

Man Refuted

[gaunt star]

New viera to max height elezen comparison

[severe brook]

http://www.scpwiki.com/scp-3199

[gaunt star]

wanna see something funny?

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/436687-Feedback-November-is-not-fall-please-don-t-try-to-mislead-players. 10 page thread people arguing that Yoshi P misled them with saying EW releases at Fall, they claim its technically winter

[severe brook]

[hallow jewel]

they talked about this tho

[severe brook]

Man I am honestly so much more glad I came to this discord for community instead of the forums.
For all our troubles, at least it’s not that.

[gaunt star]

[gaunt star]

tbf here is better than reddit itself, facebook and forums

[maiden lodge]

this is why we get ten minute skits overexplaining stuff.

[gaunt star]

even astronomically winter starts at december

which is technically sooner than meteologically w/e

im just surprised it was 10 pages...

[pastel coyote]

"ho no i'm gonna wait more month for a thing that i will probably enjoy instead of overworking the dev to death"

[inner kite]

This is the only place people argue about shape of aetherytes

[deft burrow]

Winter starts December 21.

[maiden lodge]

i mean the canonical starting of seasons is arbitrary, but it was arbitrarily long ago set to coincide with the solstices and....

...OH SHIT...

The equinox!

EQUINOX IS THE REASON EW DELAYED

[carmine basin]

Winter doesn't exist in my country so by my definition Endwalker would never come /s

[gaunt star]

oh no it wasnt male viera? /s

[tropic frigate]

equinox?

[deft burrow]

That looks a bit more realistic

[gaunt star]

where u from again?

[maiden lodge]

Equinox is a male viera confirmed!

[carmine basin]

Indonesia

[gaunt star]

ahh

[maiden lodge]

Long story, it's an injoke/dead horse I keep beating

[gaunt star]

What if Yoshi added Italians to FFXIV..

[bold condor]

Basically we discovered a voice credit for a guy who absolutely did not lend his voice to Shadowbringers as a character named "Equinox" on IMBD.

[pastel coyote]

Actually we know what's under this Equinox and it's not pretty

[bold condor]

Dis asked for it to be removed, and then it wasn't for a long time.

[maiden lodge]

I put in three tickets to remove that bastard.

[bold condor]

#archived-lore-spoilers lore.

[maiden lodge]

But people were making actual speculation about Equinox

[gaunt star]

" That's why different countries have different starting dates for winter. Since it's an international fanfest event it's better to just be honest and say the month instead of the season which is different for everyone. Yes, I know November is fall in Japan... but it's not in America. Also November isn't even fall or winter in Australia it's like spring or summer there. "

[maiden lodge]

So, some of us started meming and making fun of them--and we just never stopped, really.

[neat edge]

Imagine getting a release date you can be sure will be accurate
#cyberpunk 2077

[pastel coyote]

Maybe it's the fusion between Hydaelyn and Zodiark

[inner kite]

Tbh it would be better if they released it around Christmas

[maiden lodge]

Maybe it's the fusion between Zenos and Lyse's Sister She-Zenos

[gaunt star]

inb4 hydaelyn and zodiark marry and live happily ever after, which would still be a better love story than anything hollywood

I wanna play as an Italian Dark Knight. I will dip my garlic knot in the marinara of my enemies. GABAGOOL.

[maiden lodge]

'You can't just fuse people together to make a boss?'
'Ahahaha Save the Queen go brrrr'

[pastel coyote]

eden

[inner kite]

That's ezio already

[kind lark]

cantyouseeimwalkinghere?

[bold condor]

The Final Days were upon us, the fabric of the star began to fray. Then we looked to one figure to bring us salvation, Rommiark. However, Rommiark's demands for Zenos feet pics were too frequent, and so Disgruntlyn was forged to bind and shackle her. They fought and fought and fought until, in one cataclysmic blow, the #archived-lore-spoilers was sundered into 15 second cooldowns.

[pastel coyote]

Why does it sound like a bad written bdsm novel ?

[neat edge]

6.x, yet another isekai arc

[bold condor]

We need an isekai story purist vs rebel chart.

Because going to the moon should not qualify as an isekai.

[pastel coyote]

..... but the First ?

[maiden lodge]

'Warrior of Light, pray come to the First, for the path you walk can only lead to the Eighth Juicy Calamity'

[bold condor]

!faq juicy

[lusty shadow]

Juicy

[maiden lodge]

'Become what you must! Become the Warrior of Snarkness!'

[kind lark]

The final days aren't the only thing that is coming..

[torpid yoke]

That's everyone in #archived-lore-spoilers

[bold condor]

God I want to change my pfp to that Zenos so bad

[maiden lodge]

Though to correct Rom, I'm the one who is exiled and trapped, while Rom resides within the star.

[torpid yoke]

I mean its rightfully yours let's be honest

[maiden lodge]

But I shan't talk further on that

[severe brook]

So if Rommy is Zodiark and Dis is Hydaelyn, then am I Anima as the stupid and warped attempt at making a successor

[bold condor]

the names matched better that way

[neat edge]

Zenos gets so strong, the resonance from clap of his cheeks, transcended time and caused the original calamity.

[bold condor]

also i purposefully didn't mention the moon bit

[maiden lodge]

You destroyed me with that post, I am now unsent

I'm done! I'm dead!

[bold condor]

emet-selch fans: "rommy, you claim to like good writing, and yet you claim to enjoy zenos, curious."
rommy zenos enjoyer: "big slappy"

[maiden lodge]

'One can like the thick lore and the thicc....ness!'

[bold condor]

just a very large

[torpid yoke]

Big....slappy

[severe brook]

A very large what

[bold condor]

just quite big

so how about them music

[maiden lodge]

it slaps

[bold condor]

[torpid yoke]

Song of hope

[neat edge]

Like the new civilizations track 😆

[bold condor]

DO YOU KNOW LA-HEE

[distant sonnet]

Oh god. Read back a little. Fuckin Equinox.

[gaunt star]

https://tenor.com/view/soken-fan-fest-lahee-otamatone-hum-gif-21581907

[gaunt star]

UwU;;

[dim sigil]

Bunnit selch

[gaunt star]

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/436647-Critical-Male-Viera-height-slider-tall-option.-Show-your-support.?p=5560248#post5560248 hahaha

[rain onyx]

You're getting femboy bunnies, now deal with it

[errant mortar]

i think its too early to know for sure if they're shorter, but the salt feeds me

[wary perch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/624121675495112716/843917445945360386/E1mK3zeVgAMYGp-.png

[rain onyx]

I can't wait for one of the faces to be the stereotypical "old man who is only a few steps away from death

[wary perch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/624121675495112716/843917498092486716/E1mK4r9UUAMS_p_.png

[clever flume]

@gaunt star you posted in that misleading threat because you wanted to get in on the bullying didnt you

[rain onyx]

@errant mortar people done lots of size comparisons by standing in spots where the reveal video happens, they're around a head shorter than female viera depending on height ranges

[orchid plinth]

Alisaie for smash

[errant mortar]

that definitely seems to be the case

and what i would like :3

[gaunt star]

the one with seasons? yes

[turbid aspen]

what building is that anyway

[clever flume]

i saw you name as i was looking thru the thread and was like "wait a min..."

[gaunt star]

i mean have u seen my signature?

changed just for the sake of male viera zealots complaining regardless

[clever flume]

yee

[gaunt star]

You'stdonth Paymysub

[rain onyx]

i should double check what my forum signature is

[bold condor]

impossible, Viera live like 300+ years, they don't get old person faces

[gaunt star]

i mean now people complain about the male viera height

[clever flume]

but they do get old woman voices

[gaunt star]

atleast if they didnt release male viera, people would stick in their sad thread with 1400 pages

[maiden lodge]

They do if they start hunting old persons

[gaunt star]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/745869774877229096/843298367269240882/yoshimoogledance.gif

[clever flume]

oh my god...what if male viera get their own version of OG voice 7??

[maiden lodge]

Wait that's not what you meant oh shi-

[gaunt star]

thats basically the thread with seasons

[clever flume]

its true

there's a few who are agreeing with the op tho

[gaunt star]

ill agree that saying a season instead of month helps the dev teams determine a suitable date

[rain onyx]

seasons are also more flexible

[gaunt star]

but the idea of 'if it snows is winter' yikes

[clever flume]

i can agree somewhat with people going "just use quarters"

but like... at the same time not everyone really knows business quarters?

[gaunt star]

ye

and some people dont wanna learn them either so

[obsidian pagoda]

Business quarters don't always mean the same thing for all businesses either. My old job started the Financial Year in September instead of the common January for example.

[maiden lodge]

Plus the real concern is that they used Fall originally because they didn't have a set release date and they were aiming for September/October, but, you know, sometimes shit happens

How many times does Yoshi P have to apologize that covid happened to the world

[gaunt star]

What if Zenos is the rest of our shards but forced into him by aether experimentation.

[urban turret]

i mean

November IS Fall. Technically parts of december are Fall

[gaunt star]

yoshi p did say they tried to aim for an october release

[kindred rampart]

https://i.imgur.com/a4fV3xK.gif

[gaunt star]

but eh i can wait 6 months, im supposed to lvl all my battle jobs to 80 since ishikawa said so

[maiden lodge]

I know, and it's like.... they tried! They couldn't do it! Complaints won't make things happen faster!

[gaunt star]

exactly lmao

[kindred rampart]

@bold condoralso zooooooooom back and forth
https://i.imgur.com/XhtxszF.gif

[gaunt star]

https://tenor.com/view/zenos-ureshiiiiii-gif-20599153

[maiden lodge]

When Rom looks at Zenos's moon, Zenos looks to the moon for Rom

[gaunt star]

rom x zenos inc

[maiden lodge]

that ship's left drydock a long time ago

[gaunt star]

indeedd

[floral aurora]

I want Reaper now

Fall is so far away

[dim sigil]

Play drg with edda sytche

[floral aurora]

[inner kite]

Only weapon zenos can defeat us with

[somber storm]

Only a weapon a Manderville man can wield

[gaunt star]

Wait, people are saying November isn’t autumn?
Winter starts December 21st XD

[pine epoch]

I love how the FFXIV community has gravitated to 2 ideas for the giant floating island we dont know much about. It's either A "Zeal" giving us a chrono trigger reference. Or its B something from the ancients.

Or C. Both

[jade phoenix]

i would be genuinely shocked if there was no chrono trigger reference here https://twitter.com/RickyWinsKO/status/1393385806685945857

Ricky (e-Dad) (@RickyWinsKO)

YEAH I SEE YOU YOSHI P

Twitter · May 15, 2021, 2:00 AM

seems too easy to make

[drowsy belfry]

Chrono Trigger invented Floating Islands

[clever flume]

yes there are people who don't realize that november is part of fall

[pine epoch]

What came first FF6 or chrono trigger

[inner kite]

Does it even matter

[primal basalt]

ff5

[pine epoch]

I know neither invented floating islands but I'm making a joke

[primal basalt]

ronka

[jade phoenix]

ff6

[drowsy belfry]

Much like Persona 5 invented Tokyo, Chrono Trigger invented Floating Islands

[clever flume]

no, but its both amusing and depressing watching some one argue that SE mislead people by saying "fall 2021" and giving november as a release date.

[pine epoch]

I kinda blame myself cause I feel I had a hand in making people gravitate to the final days was caused by Lavos.

[gaunt star]

Are they the floating islands above Garlemald tho?

[pine epoch]

Dont know.

[drowsy belfry]

Angel Island in Sonic 3 released 2 years before Chrono Trigger? Invented by Chrono Trigger

[gaunt star]

That’s what I think they are nodnod

[pine epoch]

Anonymoose thinks its Xarakish. Or well that's what he Hope's not what he thinks.

[torpid yoke]

It also invented jazz

[pine epoch]

I just love the floating island cause it looks like it was once home to civilization and has thus been abandoned and overgrown

[jade phoenix]

granted i dont think that it as a whole is a chrono trigger reference, but it would be very easy to throw one or two in there

[carmine basin]

The idea of floating islands with water streaming down is not a unique concept

[jade phoenix]

could be, theres a lot of weird shit floating above garlemald

[gaunt star]

And my theory being that it’s an Ancients relic area and that’s why Garlemald where basically controlled by the ascians, because they’re right there ^^;;
But I could be fucking stupid XD

[drowsy belfry]

I mean it has Amaurotine architecture on it

[gaunt star]

Mhm the cluster bit is what I mean

[jade phoenix]

people see ancient floating lush civilization surrounded by a sea of clouds and they draw a comparison, its not that weird

[somber storm]

Laputa

We Castle in the Sky now

[warm bone]

ohhey, its the GATE

[maiden lodge]

Ff6 but we got our floating continent reference already in Azys Lla

[somber storm]

https://tenor.com/view/castle-in-the-sky-castle-in-the-sky-gif-5203634

[maiden lodge]

can... you.... link... me... that... in... pm....

...i feel like being a shitheel.

[clever flume]

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/436687-Feedback-November-is-not-fall-please-don-t-try-to-mislead-players.

[jade phoenix]

lmao

[maiden lodge]

nm i already shat on that thread

[clever flume]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/742643125981413447/844001555782959134/Screenshot_2021-05-17_200037.png very accurately sums up the thread

[jade phoenix]

you didnt bring up the best one smh

[clever flume]

also why its it up to 12 pages now 😩

[somber storm]

That's like half the time in #archived-lore-spoilers

[languid breach]

Can confirm am idiot, regularly get shat on in that channel

[maiden lodge]

Hang on

[drowsy belfry]

Oh my god people are so stupid

[languid breach]

I enter it only out of pure masochism now

[maiden lodge]

Floating island habitat,... where HAVE I seen that before?

[carmine basin]

I mean saying "oh it reminds me of X" is fair but "THIS IS TOTALLY REFERENCING X" is a too common take for any similarity nowadays

[drowsy belfry]

Everything is a Fortnite reference clearly

[languid breach]

Churning Mists? Sea of Clouds? Azys La?

[maiden lodge]

FF3.

[languid breach]

I was just poking fun

[jade phoenix]

it's also that people are just desperate for chrono trigger remixes by soken

[warm bone]

we already had floating islands in ARR.

[maiden lodge]

Nym doesn't count!
--the Mhachi Tourism Board

[warm bone]

that place with all the coeruls and golems

[languid breach]

Nym expansion when

[carmine basin]

Sea of Clouds doesn't exist

[maiden lodge]

stop giving me dreams

[drowsy belfry]

Wait hold up isn't waaaaay more likely that the inspiration for those specific floating Islands are the Garden of Babylon or something

I'm a little rusty on my Babylonian-lore

[carmine basin]

All I think about is dreading finding aether currents in that map

[drowsy belfry]

It'll have giant jump pads

[somber storm]

BY THE RIVERS OF BABYLON

[jade phoenix]

i get weirded out when i visit the churning mists

[maiden lodge]

Garden of Babylon.... Garden... Babylon...

Balamb SeeD members take over the Giant of Babil lead by Equinox confirmed

[drowsy belfry]

You fucking hit it on the head Dis

[jade phoenix]

that zone is so damn ugly, i thought it was unfinished when it first came out

[carmine basin]

"you sense the current 156 yalms to the north" but is it above me or below me