retired-patch-6-3-discussion

[gaunt star]

[somber storm]

A long fall concerts in limsa gonna be lit with that emote and guitar

[obsidian pagoda]

The one with braids is 👌

[rough kestrel]

I don't care about Lalas but they're alright, meanwhile 98% of the playerbase unanimously is like "uwu catgirls :3" like some kind of gross hivemind. Cull those fuckers, the brainrot runs deep and we must salvage the others.

[desert heath]

I used to be a dirty Hyur player too... then a spreadsheet on balance said playing a catgirl would be a neglible dps increase for ninja. Fastest 10 dollars ive ever spent.

[left rivet]

You just wanted to be a cat girl

[somber storm]

Tfw the meme of convenient dead hrothgar wife ain't gonna be a meme anymore

[gaunt star]

after i became an au ra i never looked back at any other race

[desert heath]

okay thats fair but if someone tries uwu me at all just execute them on the spot

[rough kestrel]

There's some cool looking female hyurs, and I play a male hyur

[strong dew]

Where is the Elezen love? 😂

[desert heath]

Yes.

[meager pulsar]

FemElezen here :O

[gaunt star]

ok i hate it ill delete it

[left rivet]

I have.. a midlander girl.

[teal geyser]

Uwu

[desert heath]

Nonexistent til They remodel Elezen to look like the Sharlayan one in the endwalker trailer talking to Bae'shtola

[left rivet]

She's cute as heck. I adore her. I also have my au Ra female.
I had two characters on two different servers and now they're in the same place.

[teal geyser]

Fourchenault

[desert heath]

you asked for it

[gaunt star]

thats the twins dad

[left rivet]

So one character has 80 for all caster classes, melee classes and some others.

Other one has all 80 casters, healers and range dps...

Sigh

[desert heath]

SHHH

[gaunt star]

hes a big @hole but he can read fast so GGs

[desert heath]

we all know it but we cant spoiler it

[gaunt star]

yes we can

[left rivet]

I see LOTS of elezen men.

[rough kestrel]

I mean he's shown the encyclopedia

[desert heath]

Im also trolling

[left rivet]

But not a lot of elezen women.

[gaunt star]

i know but i wanna spoil people

[desert heath]

don't mind me

[gaunt star]

we are gonna find out in 5.55 anyway

[rough kestrel]

That's a cool gif of Y'shtola walking through tables

[gaunt star]

I am like the only elezen gal on Gilgamesh or something.

well shes a sorceres

[obsidian pagoda]

Screw Papa, I wanna see Mama Leveilleur

[teal geyser]

I have two

[teal geyser]

Ah yes the Lalafell

[desert heath]

Endwalker is gonna be like this.

Scions will start losing the war, they will go back to the city ask for help. He will tell em to fuck off.

And his the Twin's Mother is gonna walk down the stairs and beat some ass. And he's gonna say "Yes, Dear"

And look at the scion dead in the eyes, and say okay what can we do.

[gaunt star]

Yoshi: Everyone in the community, especially the western community had been very vocal about the idea of using a scythe as a weapon for at least 3 to 4 years now. When we were thinking about what a new job should be, the concept of a job that not only relies solely on their own power, but something external had become a central idea. Eventually, I decided there should be an additional avatar/minion fighting for the player and its appearance will change as the special meter fills up. its a GAUGE

[open verge]

Source?

[obsidian pagoda]

Koji spectre-glamour when?

[teal geyser]

To be fair we knew it used a gauge for a while

[gaunt star]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/nds4a4/yoshida_interview_with_gamer_japan_about_new_job/

https://www.gamer.ne.jp/news/202105150024/

[tidal mauve]

dragoon 2!!!

[gaunt star]

ofc

[obsidian pagoda]

!faq reaperbis

[lusty shadow]

The Edge is Calling Tonight

[desert heath]

what class doesnt have a gauge lmao

[rough kestrel]

I hope it amounts to just being SAM but Maiming, so I can stop having my glams ruined by Monk

[teal geyser]

Does monk count?

[kindred rampart]

https://i.imgur.com/TDZDYFz.jpg

[teal geyser]

FUCK I CANT FUCKING DJDIDIDJENENNDDJID

[somber storm]

Sam sharing maiming and scouting when?

[desert heath]

never

[rough kestrel]

Never now that Reaper is here

[kind lark]

Whats a monk? all I know is reaper

[rough kestrel]

I wish SAM shared with Scouting instead

[desert heath]

Ninja is forever alone and will always have its own dps set

[gaunt star]

https://i.redd.it/vro51cg37cz61.png

[somber storm]

Sam with aiming gear would have been nice

[rough kestrel]

It's aesthetic is so much more appropriate for SAM, bothers me to no end

[stiff charm]

inb4 its venat

[somber storm]

Some aiming aesthetic be cool

[desert heath]

So lowkey.. Y'shtola is prolly going to get the next job change in the i feel. She will move from sorceress to something magic and introducing the next Magic class in the game.

[rough kestrel]

The Aiming Law's Set should be what SAM's get with the one shoulder pouldron and waistcape, looked perfect.

[desert heath]

Or itll be someone else, show casing a new Physical Ranged job

[rough kestrel]

It'll be Alisaie

[gaunt star]

Shes already a Sorceress in Trusts afaik

[kindred rampart]

good thing about Reaper is that there will be some more GrimEdge sets tucked into maiming which will almost always be shared with fending
it's WIN/WIN for DRKs

[desert heath]

right but she will upgrade to a new job

[obsidian pagoda]

I think all the scions has had job change except for Krile?

[somber storm]

Yshtola still the only base ARR class technically

[rough kestrel]

I don't know if they'll change the scions again, AST is perfect for Uri, Thancred is perfect as GNB, Y'shtola has her own brand of BLM now.

[gaunt star]

doubt it since Scions are apparently going bye bye

[desert heath]

if theysacrifice Yshtola

[somber storm]

Yshtola got a mix of blm and whm

[open verge]

I think reaper is gonna be outdpsing monk and that makes me angry

[desert heath]

thats immediate grounds for a fucking Riot.

[open verge]

please don’t outdps monk reaper

[left rivet]

We don't even have numbers.

Does drg out dps mnk at the moment?

[desert heath]

Also lowkey it would be dope if Reaper is dealing with death magic, if they can ressurect

[teal geyser]

Hey we gotta cull the fem Miqo'te

[rough kestrel]

But you cant start with the few tolerable ones

[somber storm]

Remember to spay miqos and buns

[pulsar current]

The twins are 100% dead

[desert heath]

You are not allowed to Touch Y'shtola

[left rivet]

It isn't death magic.

It's magic through a voidsent.

[teal geyser]

^ two different things

[pulsar current]

Calling it now

[rough kestrel]

That ghost is our lost shard, I'm telling you.

[somber storm]

✂️ 🐇

[kindred rampart]

if transformations for burst dps becomes a thing then Monk will just be like
https://i.imgur.com/62TbM2r.gif

[left rivet]

You literally make a pact with a voidsent to use their power. It isn't necromancy.

[rough kestrel]

It's why it can fuse with us, because we're tied to it

[gaunt star]

man that UI Goku cutscene in xenoverse was insane

[desert heath]

i didnt read into it too much

[manic basin]

wwwww

[desert heath]

but i think a melee being able to rez would be cool

[somber storm]

Sam with henshin armour skill when

[left rivet]

No. It would be broken. And uneccessary.

[rough kestrel]

You can't let any old Voidsent hijack the WoL, thats like giving someone the nuclear codes

[somber storm]

Gonna be a Venom treatment with Reaper

We gone full circle Spider-Man 3

[teal geyser]

Honestly shocked it hasn't been a plot point yet.

[desert heath]

Y'shtola still is off limits til she uwu's then its hubris to touch her specifically any other catgirl might get exterminated for it tho

[teal geyser]

Some voidsent at some point must have the idea of "damn I gotta get inside that boy"

[gaunt star]

not pet

[kindred rampart]

Reaper: Ha you just got Greased Lightning Fou-
Monk: Greased Lightning FIVE
Reaper:

[somber storm]

Yoshi-P fan of Sam Raimi Spider-Man films confirmed

[balmy mesa]

Y'shtola is part of the major marketing material in Japan, I doubt they'd want to kill her off willy-nilly

[rough kestrel]

It's gonna be a special one we share a connection with (Our shard from the 13th) and then at some point Reaper will get a rework and we get a quest to rejoin for good outside of the class

[somber storm]

https://tenor.com/view/always-sunny-troll-toll-danny-de-vito-gif-14220832

[balmy mesa]

why

[teal geyser]

Wut

[manic basin]

??

[somber storm]

Always Sunny reference

[rough kestrel]

DAYMAN, FIGHTER OF THE NIGHTMAN

[desert heath]

in this day and age

didnt age well lmaoo

[somber storm]

MASTER OF KARATE AND FRIENDSHIP AND EVERYONE

[tidal mauve]

reaper job requires constant smt style negotiation with your demon

[rough kestrel]

I mean that's the entire point of that song

[inner kite]

If they do it with shard from 13th lore it would be bit complicated. I'd rather they resolve it with Void quest series we already have

[kindred rampart]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EziivIrVkAA3s70.png:large

[desert heath]

Look at the bright side WoW wil rush 9.2 to compete with Endwalker

[rough kestrel]

Someone is going to mod the belt bottles on Reaper into Pokeballs

[gaunt star]

lmao it cant

[rough kestrel]

a .2 competing with an Expansion

[somber storm]

People will definitely do a model swap on the avatar

[kindred rampart]

jojo stand mods

[somber storm]

Zenos avatar mod

[rough kestrel]

I hope someone makes a lovingly rendered Koji model

With his red polo

[inner kite]

Hell carbuncle avatar

[obsidian pagoda]

https://twitter.com/spicyfloortank/status/1393744117193056259?s=20

Zyr Merzix (@spicyfloortank)

Good morning. I was thinking about this the whole night

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Twitter · May 16, 2021, 1:44 AM

[kindred rampart]

that should be their animation for air quotes

[desert heath]

we need masculine lalafeels

[somber storm]

Bnnuy

[rough kestrel]

Lalaheads on Roe bodies

[somber storm]

Gigi

[desert heath]

Just like this ^ muscle lala's lets go

[obsidian pagoda]

WoL has to fight Papa for the Twins
https://twitter.com/aymericsenpai/status/1393766570539683841?s=20

kam (@aymericsenpai)

he said no moon 😞
#ffxiv

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Twitter · May 16, 2021, 3:13 AM

[rough kestrel]

It'll be Y'shtola's custody battle

[desert heath]

Who's paying child support tho

[somber storm]

Tataru

[rough kestrel]

thancred

[somber storm]

Tataru handles all the money

[rough kestrel]

He already pays for Gaia and Ryne, two more wont hurt

[gaunt star]

the elezen @hole ofc

[rough kestrel]

I guess technically Urianger and Thancred have shared custody of Ryne

[desert heath]

What if the elezen asshole refuses to let the twins go off and save the world, and sends them to their room

[teal geyser]

Murder

[rough kestrel]

The room becomes a dungeon

An entire dungeon devoted to kidnapping two teenagers

[desert heath]

LMAO

That'd be a good meme dungeon

[rough kestrel]

The bosses are various maids and butlers

[balmy mesa]

isn't that just Grand Cosmos remixed

[desert heath]

jesus christ

[rough kestrel]

Grand Matoya's

[desert heath]

we should write the dungeons

Y'shtola is casually waiting outside the house/dungeon to set the entire thing on fire

[somber storm]

Thancred sneaking in but got distracted by the maids

[rough kestrel]

She just hears a fucking explosion and WoL comes sprinting out with a twin under each arm "I FUCKEDUPWEGOTTAGO"

[pastel coyote]

Too bad the reaper don't have a cute demon like him https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-onv6vE4Jptk/YBL5mtcv0_I/AAAAAAAAAdg/B1EZTHbEJ6MG71ydWVK0NQQqJy4WWdo2wCLcBGAsYHQ/s861/7f6222aa632a127200151f6aacd57a3a.jpg

[desert heath]

Urianger is distracting everyone else with his poemss

[somber storm]

But who's our getaway driver?

[desert heath]

Graha

[rough kestrel]

Thancred

[obsidian pagoda]

Tataru hustled us an airship

[somber storm]

Cid

[rough kestrel]

Graha's busy researching

[balmy mesa]

nah Graha would get distracted on the way

[somber storm]

We call on Cid to fly us away

[rough kestrel]

I want the reveal that everyone in Sharlayan talks exactly like Urianger, and it's an entire CITY of Uriangers

[inner kite]

G'raha is reading forbidden wol fanfic in sharlayan

[pastel coyote]

they can't swim ?

[desert heath]

actually i take my statement back G'raha got distracted by a library searching for clues, then at the end of dungeon he scurries out saying GUYS I KNEW THE STARS HAD MORE SECRETS

[balmy mesa]

Yshtola: "yeah we know"

[rough kestrel]

They also cant swim (Hence going underground)

[somber storm]

"Secrets later, run now"

[rough kestrel]

Y'shtola: Help us
Sharlayan: w-we cant, we'll drown if we leave the island

[distant sonnet]

That boys getting thrown in jail for breaking into the restricted sections and violating time, mark my words.

[obsidian pagoda]

"Take the book with you!"

[somber storm]

Lalafell will just be carrying them moogle plush féte style

[balmy mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/its-leviosa-wingardium-gif-12617201

[open verge]

Sounds like fem hrothgar won’t make it in 6.0

[desert heath]

Mission Impossible : Graha

[rough kestrel]

@open verge What gave it away

[open verge]

The interview

[somber storm]

That mansion is gonna be an instanced dungeon

[obsidian pagoda]

Haukke Manor but not spoopy

[rough kestrel]

They seemed pretty clear that it's not anytime soon

[desert heath]

and alot of floors

[rough kestrel]

Atleast a year+ away if not just 7.0

[balmy mesa]

6.3 would make sense

[rough kestrel]

A year after 6.0 I mean*

[inner kite]

7.0 most likely

[balmy mesa]

they could rework hrothgar in 7.0
one can dream

[rough kestrel]

I still think 7.0 however we dont know what sort of pacing we're in store for after 6.0 so they might throw it in at 6.3 or 4 or something

[desert heath]

tbh they may just wanna tie up all the loose ends of ARR -> Endwalker and do hrothgar in the middle of 6.X so they can start 7.0 Fresh

[balmy mesa]

well, the races aren't tied to MSQ at all
so there's no "loose ends" to tie up

[desert heath]

its nto an MSQ thing its more a mental thing for developers that im referring too

[rough kestrel]

No but I mean I see it as a transition period for the whole game, not just MSQ

[inner kite]

They'll be too busy making transition to fix hroth

[balmy mesa]

they've briefly talked about FFXIV2.0 (distinct from ARR)
so like, fixing the last bits of spaghetti code and modernising the codebase

[rough kestrel]

Yeah they hinted at upgrading the visuals of the game in terms of textures and such because they want to go atleast another 10 years, so I assume some big changes are on the distant horizon

[desert heath]

i wonder what 7.0 will bring tbh. like they can't keep doing 2 jobs per expac, and new races, so i wonder what will take its place

[kindred rampart]

from a resource and time standpoint
it's pretty logical for them to do Male Viera for 6.0 and Female Hrothgar for 7.0
They also likely took the popularity of the races into consideration as well

[open verge]

More customization

[desert heath]

BUTT SLIDERS

[balmy mesa]

Hrothgar definitely got the short end of the stick with ShB

[desert heath]

PLEASE

better hair styles too

[rough kestrel]

That's true for everyone, I looked at those bunny boys and was like "Can we ALSO get some interesting hair for other races, maybe Hyurs? No?"

[kindred rampart]

they just need to modernize the character creation from scratch
XIV's is incredibly outdated compared to many other games

[open verge]

Definitely

[desert heath]

i think character customization is a fine balance, you don't want little to nothing, but you don't also want a fuck ton of options

So many options can get overwhelming, and eventually u just hit the random button

[rough kestrel]

I'll phrase it another way, 5 new hairstyles that everyone can use would be infinitely better than satisfying the fucking rabid viera fanbase.

[desert heath]

Like if im adjusting my CHEEKBONES WEVE GONE TOO FAR i dont even look at my cheek bones what the fuck

[open verge]

I just want more hairstyles for viera

I was thinking 6.0 hrothgar and viera would get more but if their adding the missing races I think it won’t happen

[rough kestrel]

Hell, if we got a bunch of new hairstyles that everyone + Viera and Hroth could use I'd take that over Femgar or Bunboys

[balmy mesa]

well we're definitely not getting any more races

[desert heath]

And Limit Break 4 please... requires Hroth/Roe, and they grab a lala in the group and toss the lala at Mach 10 speed at the boss decimating it

[wet crown]

don't you mean Mhach 10?

[desert heath]

I don't do the science around here

[rough kestrel]

I don't think you can say no more races, since they've already changed their minds on it once, at some point in the next 1-4 years XIV will be overhauled and that'll probably open them up to add whatever.

If we're looking 10 years ahead atleast

[somber storm]

Playable namazu yes yes

[open verge]

They definitely will be no more new races

I think we get 1 job an expansion here on out

[tidal mauve]

remove elves and add a new, better race

[rough kestrel]

I heard someone call Reaper "DRK for people that dont want to tank" and I thought "Give me Gunbreaker for people that dont want to tank"

[viscid monolith]

They changed their mind because of all the complaints. Mind you this time the complaints were valid because we have half of 2 races. The probably won't change their mind if people whine because "we want more races".

[somber storm]

Dual gunkatanas

[desert heath]

have you ever read the forums

[rough kestrel]

@viscid monolith Yeah probably not anytime soon, but in the next decade? I dunno man.

[sage thicket]

The new trailer just has something about it. Unofficial lyrics https://youtu.be/NzWzDxxt20U

[open verge]

I just want playable hrothgar this expansion but I don’t think it’s gonna happen 😔😔😔😔

[viscid monolith]

I use to read them everyday for 2 years. There's a lot of stupid shit that never get acknowledged.

[desert heath]

Idk man

[rough kestrel]

I use it to make ironic bug reports for shit I think is fucking dumb.

[desert heath]

Yoshi-P said that people "Earnestly" asked for male bunnies. Reality is they got fucking bullied into it

those forums were more toxic then acid itself

[rough kestrel]

Like Law's Order striking set missing capes. That's a bug as far as I'm concerned

[kind lark]

aeiou aeiou aeiou aeiou aeiou aeiou aeiou

[open verge]

Yoshi p gets death threats for adding male bunnies
Him: how earnest

[desert heath]

pretty much

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/436510-How-much-content-was-cut-for-Male-Vieras

Like they add content now there are people being like so how much content was cut

[rough kestrel]

Imagine if the bun boys looked super halfassed and everyone was mad, and they're just like "Well you fucking asked"

[somber storm]

Waiting for the trailer version since this be the teaser version

[tidal mauve]

lol

[inner kite]

John madden is the only verse you need

[desert heath]

thats my point. People are toxic that they added something some part of the playerbase wanted.

but some people in that playerbase was toxic til they got what they want

[rough kestrel]

Bun boys happened because they found room for it, they probably didn't make room for it, so now Hrothgals are for the next time they have room for content like that.

[desert heath]

I hate that people think Developers are Gods..

[rough kestrel]

But I dont imagine people understanding that.

[desert heath]

They arent they are just normal people and its honestly... disheartening

[rough kestrel]

Granted I would much rather character additions that are universal instead of this.

Atleast throw the stubble onto Midlander face 5

[kindred rampart]

people really think game creation is like emet selch snapping his fingers and it being created lol

[kind lark]

Wdym, Mr SquareEnix made ffxiv

[open verge]

Do you think we’ll get an e3 endwalker trailer?

[rough kestrel]

When is E3?

[forest magnet]

No. E3 is probably FFXVI

[open verge]

E3 is so far from the launch I don’t see us getting one

[rough kestrel]

E3 will be a replay of Fanfest trailer and probably FF16 news

[odd yoke]

We got all our trailers

[forest magnet]

Our next big info dump will be at Tokyo Game Show most likely.

[desert heath]

Pretty Much... people have no idea how much work goes into a creating a game.

[kindred rampart]

there will be the media tour closer to launch

[rough kestrel]

We wont see the Laun Trailer until like... september I imagine, maybe later, I dont recall how soon they release them to launch

[open verge]

Media tour would be in October or November

Which is so far to know if monk will suck ass or not

[rough kestrel]

I'm ready for FF16 news though, they're killing it with XIV and XVI looked really promising

[forest magnet]

Don't worry it will.

[sage thicket]

Oct. I think the benchmark is roughly Sep

[forest magnet]

Tokyo Game Show is late Sept so probably then.

[open verge]

[neon viper]

is XVI with Yoshi and Ishikawa?

[gaunt star]

Falalala cover by the primals was too good. Wish they make it a track

[rough kestrel]

@open verge They deleted MNK weapons to make room for RPR, Monks just auto attack with nothing

[forest magnet]

All Saint's Wake shafted again

[open verge]

I’m gonna be so pissed if monk is the worst melee job

[rough kestrel]

Finally I'll get my Kingsglaive title and stupid car mount

[open verge]

I know for a fucking fact reaper is gonna outdps monk

[tidal mauve]

good

[wet crown]

I gotta be honest. Seasonal events are always rather lackluster.

[obsidian osprey]

Every step we take....echos in the wake...when tommorow our plans forge ahead...

[sage thicket]

Tbf what monks don't use Emperors new gloves

[desert heath]

Moonfire Fair is actually dope

[forest magnet]

Rising is sometimes fun

[wet crown]

You do a quest or two, an odd fate or two and then you fuck off again.

[desert heath]

gives the one dyeable bikini top in this game that ive found

[rough kestrel]

True, all I ever used when I suffered through leveling MnK

[open verge]

Halloween no longer exists in the ff14 universe

[obsidian osprey]

I love the Endwalker theme....so motivational....i needed this.

[forest magnet]

When is this channel closing

[kind lark]

A week I think

[open verge]

Should be replaced with 5.55 spoilers

So it shouldn’t go away just a rename

[rough kestrel]

I guess it's no surprise but I was shocked 55 is like... next week, I dunno why

[forest magnet]

they said it was late may

[obsidian osprey]

To FORGE AHEADDDDDDD

[open verge]

It could’ve been tomorrow

[rough kestrel]

25th apparentlu

I got so use to everything being so far away

[desert heath]

man im just praying the relic weapons dont look terrible

[sage thicket]

Tmw they announced a 56 and 58 tho

[desert heath]

5.6 and 5.8 don't really bring content though

[sage thicket]

True, but it was still a surprise lol

[desert heath]

actually im wrong

[grave raft]

wrong channel lmao

[desert heath]

5.8 does bring content. ERP BOOGALOO cause everyone gonna travel to balmung on crystal

[open verge]

Ok so 5.58 introduces dc visit but they didn’t fucking explain the feature in the live letter .-.

[reef mountain]

Can’t wait for all the new male viera mains to cry about no hats/hair

[sage thicket]

Shit, i just realized. The ERP advertisments will be all over in 6.x

[open verge]

So we have no idea what the limitations of the system

[kindred rampart]

fanfest weekend was like
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/740633763742220389/843845233212784680/ewrft1.mp4

[desert heath]

they already are

[grave raft]

yup, they kinda baited me to thinking that the live letter would somehow explain some stuff about that but its a home shopping channel all along.

[reef mountain]

I mean I’m glad they decided to add both genders but don’t add them to an unfinished race...

[open verge]

7.0 fanfest will have another one more thing and it would be a clip of viera putting on a hat

[forest magnet]

it's kinda weird, like in the client there's actually a button you can flip using mods to enable all hats on Viera (at least idk about Hroth)

[open verge]

The viera and hrothgar hat mods are amazing

The hats look stupid and clip but who gives a fuck

[forest magnet]

plenty of people complain about clipping

[neon viper]

probably the devs if not Sqeenix not wanting that kind of publicity

[open verge]

When your ears don’t move who cares of your hat clips

[desert heath]

idk i dont wear hats unfortunately

[sage thicket]

Chances are they'll release hats after FHroth is added. Or as part of FH being added

[kindred rampart]

7.0 fanfest will be emotional from the get go since there will hopefully be full attendance from everyone who wanted to go this year

[desert heath]

i like the blindfolds

[gaunt star]

I have been listening on repeat to EW trailer. Music gets better the more you listen to it

[reef mountain]

I mean I’m baffled why they can’t do hair

[sage thicket]

We all are

[somber storm]

FemHroth only race with hats and hair changing via aesthetician

[open verge]

I didn’t like labyrinthos theme til I relistened it just has weird bagpipes lmao

[forest magnet]

Idyllshire v2

[desert heath]

why hair clipping into stuff u mean ?

[reef mountain]

Labyrinthos is how they’ll survive the end of days

[forest magnet]

Hopefully soken can polish it up a little before release

[reef mountain]

It’s a bio dome

[sage thicket]

I have a slight feeling it might end up as another Lahi

[open verge]

Nah that’s radz at Hans

[reef mountain]

Nah like hair on viera. If mods can do it, idk why they can’t

[forest magnet]

la hee sounds good. labrynthos...doesn't.

[open verge]

I like it

[desert heath]

Hair on viera doing what? im sorry i dont play viera unfortunately

[sage thicket]

More in the sense of -everyone hates on it. Might get memed, it'll end up causing stockholm syndrom, and then Im the only one who still hates it

Lol

[tidal mauve]

they should give up on having things not clip

[reef mountain]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FaGaGqejQqI

[gaunt star]

I absolutely love the Sharlayan part of the trailer. Music, cinematography. Everything

[somber storm]

The theme grew on me

[reef mountain]

Did some say bagpipes?

[somber storm]

There's a certain charm that the labrynthos theme has

[open verge]

Yea gives me oldschool jrpg vibes

[desert heath]

unfortunately clipping isnt something easily solved.. x.x there is a solution, but its gonna be heavily physics based which just more CPU/GPU usage for each character on screen..

[reef mountain]

There’s like 6 hairstyles and they don’t have access to the other hairs

[desert heath]

oh true that does blow.

[sage thicket]

I wonder if the Sharlayns get offended by calling them scotts or irish

[gaunt star]

This does not sound like Jason Miller in the trailer

[forest magnet]

they'd be confused

[tidal mauve]

nah I mean the people who do pso2 costumes have probably never cared about clipping, xiv fashion should be like that

just clip everything

[forest magnet]

it's like walking up to a short person who doesn't know anything about FFXIV and calling them a Lalafell.

[open verge]

It’s not Jason Miller it’s the guy from the architects

[reef mountain]

They didn’t care about clipping with the librarian in crystarium

[sage thicket]

How about a Limsan then?

[gaunt star]

They need to do something about clipping. Even if it is tying up everybody's hair

[open verge]

That’s why estinien cut his hair

His new hair is better I always hated the one he had in game

[reef mountain]

I was never staring at his hair

[gaunt star]

I wonder how many DRGs now will remove their helmets with Estinien being without one

[desert heath]

I wonder how many DRGs will be alive now that Estinien is still alive.

[kind lark]

Estinien single handly carries DRG job

[gaunt star]

Hmm. You folks think I have enough time until the release of EW to level a PLN from 1 to 80?

[desert heath]

a PLN

[gaunt star]

*PLD

Dunno the acronym for Paladin

[desert heath]

Fam you could amaro like 4 toons

by the time EW comes out

[gaunt star]

What??

[open verge]

Yes you have enough time

[inner kite]

Depends on how often you play

[desert heath]

you could level all the jobs from 1- 80 on 4 toons

[open verge]

Lol EW doesn’t come out til 6 months you have time

[inner kite]

If you log in once a month you dont XD

[open verge]

I have to level my paladin to get my amaro smfh

[desert heath]

its like you get 1-16 done

Do squadrons and roulettes? then trust afk grind

[open verge]

P much

[gaunt star]

Getting amaro means I have to max level a WAR and a BLM. I just cant do that. Playing those 2 is the opposite of fun for me apparently

[desert heath]

Its okay you can boost them both for 50 Dollars

[inner kite]

Just do leveling roulettes

[open verge]

Jump potion then bozja

[gaunt star]

50 bucks? Hmmm. I havent thought about he boost actually. Might need to think about it as an option.

My fear is EW mount will also expect max level

[pastel coyote]

Is squadron really worth ?

[desert heath]

Then the good news there is you

Get to 81 and do trusts

[gaunt star]

If you like playing alone and dont mind slower runs then yeah.

[desert heath]

Time for a new Genrre! Massive Soloplayer Online Role Playing Game

[open verge]

I’d be fine if there if there is alevel 90 mount because it would be 10 levels for every job for me

[pastel coyote]

I didn't even level up trust, too slow for me and the scion

[desert heath]

then you aren't living. If you anit wallpulling in trusts u aint living!

[gaunt star]

At that point I will tell SE they dont pay my subs and refuse to get the mount or max level all my characters

[gloomy shale]

will they increase level jump for expansion?

[odd yoke]

Yes

[open verge]

Yes up to 80

[desert heath]

honestly

[sage thicket]

Ngl I do hope they do something of a reset for 7.0

Stretching out the classes actionwise is getting ridiculous. I'd rather have just entirely new sets than not having a functional class till whatever max-10 is.

[gloomy shale]

I just realized we are going to level 90

it's gettin crazy

[desert heath]

Everytime someone says "You dont pay my sub" i want to pay their sub then make them personal companion for a month

[somber storm]

That's how you get a sugar baby

[sage thicket]

A personal craft/gather

[desert heath]

Y'all generous

they're pockethealing me in pvp.

[gloomy shale]

speaking of pvp are they rehauling it for the expac?

[fallen girder]

doubt it

[pulsar current]

prolly a new small scale mode

[fallen girder]

i dont think shb significantly changed pvp

just added a gamemode or 2

[gloomy shale]

Yeah I guess I should say what was that whole small scale pvp thing?

[pulsar current]

we have no clue

please look forward to it

[gloomy shale]

probably won't look forward to it based on previous pvp iterations

[reef mountain]

Open world PVP

[gloomy shale]

that would be hilarious and also infuriating lol

[reef mountain]

Too many people creating a Raubahn savage bottleneck? Just kill them

[kind lark]

Kill Rauabahn too

[pulsar current]

take his right arm

[kind lark]

And his rig-

[pulsar current]

I STILL DON'T KNOW MY RIGHTS AND LEFTS IM SO DUMB

[kind lark]

Easy take one of his legs

[reef mountain]

He’s got three legs tho or at least that’s what the sultana told me

[kind lark]

Take his third leg then

[reef mountain]

[desert heath]

Limsa should be made into a PVP battleground

[reef mountain]

We will have DC visit. PVP battle ground: Balmung

[midnight panther]

I was kinda hoping we could stay on the first and watch them redevelop norvandt

[kind lark]

I bet we revist it in the future just like how we revisit Ishgard

[reef mountain]

Or we get a visit from a certain someone who should have world traveling powers due to their ascian background

[midnight panther]

I hope so. I miss them already q.q

[kind lark]

When I see the credits for shb it feel so weird

[gaunt star]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpzLMrGOAkc omg

idk how i missed this

[midnight panther]

Same

[kind lark]

Like wdym you mean its not the place we hang out at anymore.

[midnight panther]

I liked the first npcs more than I like the source npcs

[wary perch]

Sources npc full of crap because of politics and the first have no politics

[deft burrow]

Oof that means the expansion did a good job

[midnight panther]

Not just the politics, the first npcs e just more likeable

[fiery raft]

WHere can I read about the Q/A from the fanfest live segment?

[oak pike]

Most of the first npc seems to know that they’re in it together

[dawn wave]

#translations-and-liveletters scroll up

[kind lark]

You know what would be really cool, if they made a spin of game about the Ardbert crew.

[regal lantern]

Gonna say, Zenos taking up the actual AF wep of Reaper really feels like it reinforces the idea of him joining WoL, besides the artwork of him standing with us

[oak pike]

I don’t think that’s the AF weapon

[wet crown]

that's not the AF scythe

[oak pike]

We got a regular scythe, Zenos got a gun scythe

[somber storm]

Zenos definitely has diamond scythe

SMH dude had early access to new weapons

[wet crown]

Zenos has a revolver built-in and it has a bone theme.
AF scythe is just a clean blade at the top with nothing special about it

[somber storm]

!faq reaper bis

[lusty shadow]

FAQ Listing

reaperbis

Page 1 of 1

[somber storm]

!faq reaperbis

[lusty shadow]

The Edge is Calling Tonight

[somber storm]

Yeah we just get that basically

[regal lantern]

I meant this one

[regal lantern]

Looks similar no?

[somber storm]

Nah

[wet crown]

No, it doesn't.

[regal lantern]

Green outlines... ah the cartridge revolver is missing

[oak pike]

There’s a revolver wheel on Zenos weapon

[midnight panther]

Good ole gun scythe

[gaunt star]

inb4 zenos exclusive

[bold condor]

Of course that thing is exclusive to him.

[midnight panther]

6 month later u can buy it for 15 dollars

[gaunt star]

reaper in the gameplay trailer didnt look like using gun stuff so

[wet crown]

just as that fucker won't give Concentrativity to anyone else

[bold condor]

It's not like you can wield Ascalon or Ame-no-Habakiri

[wet crown]

blue mages revolting and sad all around the globe

[gaunt star]

i cant even if i wanted to, he broke it

[bold condor]

Or Heirsbane and Bradamante

[dawn wave]

goddamn it zenos give us your cool animations

[gaunt star]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/527943378722095136/843276985698091028/Reaper_EW.gif

[wet crown]

I'm so pissed because there IS the possibility to learn Concentrativity for BLUs.

[gaunt star]

this is all i need

also my au ra will look weird in that outfit being xaela herself time to switch to raen

[wet crown]

if not through Zenos himself, then the Zenos Specter from Tsukuyomi

[gaunt star]

bet his avatar will be zodiark

[wet crown]

you mean his Stand

[gaunt star]

honestly i like how the avatar isnt a pet or some shit, makes it hella cooler

[wet crown]

and it's a fucking VOIDSENT even

[gaunt star]

a unique looking one too

[somber storm]

I want ame dammit

[gaunt star]

looks like a wraith

[deft burrow]

Voidsent glams

Imagine mods for it like turning it into Koji

[gaunt star]

they will probably make those within the first week xd

[deft burrow]

[midnight panther]

Theyre already working on it lol

[deft burrow]

lol

[gaunt star]

someone modded Sokens la hee to play at raktika on KR

[deft burrow]

that is beautiful

[midnight panther]

Yes

[gaunt star]

i have been doing the ending pose for days

[coarse pond]

@somber storm Hahahahahahhahha

Perfect command

[torpid yoke]

we should be able to >:/

[gaunt star]

too late

This is your fate now @torpid yoke the Scythe

[somber storm]

Zenos with the exclusive Diamond Scythe

[gaunt star]

soon he wont be needing it

[torpid yoke]

I want his scythe >:/. I also want Ame-no-Habakiri

[gaunt star]

inb4 Zenos doesnt die and he becomes our new story arc companion

[gaunt star]

wait wtf it really looks like diamond

i hate the idea, but ill love seeing peoples reaction specially when some dislike him on crazy lvls

[torpid yoke]

i like him but i dont think thats in his character to do so

[gaunt star]

just tell him he will never experience transendent moments if it ends in EW

[gaunt star]

Soken

[somber storm]

Stolen from reddit but the message be there

[odd yoke]

[gaunt star]

https://tenor.com/view/soken-fan-fest-lahee-otamatone-hum-gif-21581907

[strange summit]

It's going to be real \o/

[deft burrow]

that's hot

[steep coral]

Noooooo

[bold condor]

the final days of amaugus

elidisus

[gaunt star]

the final days among us

[placid sail]

I need a clean version of the full trailer theme

like, yesterday

[deft burrow]

i need job actions trailer

[ashen coral]

See you in October, maybe late September if we're lucky

[woven escarp]

job actions may also end up in the benchmark

I kind of wish my minfilia outfit could be exported to the benchmark though 😔

[wet crown]

they will not
at best we'll get either SGE's or RPR's LB3 but Job Actions is after Media Tour

[woven escarp]

you won't get a full showcase but they'll probably include those jobs in the background in the benchmark

like there's a scene in the heavensward benchmark that shows drk doing stuff

[stiff charm]

pretty sure dnc is in the shb one too

[viscid monolith]

Ya Dancer uses its LB

[wet crown]

but not the whole thing

[woven escarp]

yeah, but the benchmark will likely drop after the media tour too

[open verge]

Job actions haven’t even been decided according to the interview

[woven escarp]

especially for reaper

[open verge]

Benchmark = male viera creator

[woven escarp]

god, all the thirsty fuckers going after the male viera

[open verge]

I’m thirsty for female hrothgar

They better lookin fuckin cute or hot

[manic basin]

lol

[hasty totem]

――あとはいわゆるピュアDPSなのか、シナジーDPSなのかが気になりますが。
What’s left would be whether it’ll be a pure or support type DPS, and we’re really interested to know about this.

吉田　方向性はおおよそ定まってはいますが、いまはお伝えする段階ではないかなと。後日バトルを解説する場を設けますので、そのときにあらためて突っ込んでいただければと。
Yoshida: We have a rough idea of which direction we're going with this, but I don't think we are at the point where we can tell you about it yet. We'll definitely set up a future venue and we’ll have the chance to explain further about the battles on a later date, so I hope you'll be able to probe further once we get there.

[orchid plinth]

We need ugly faces for all races, not just beautiful faces

Like an old hag or something

[open verge]

It’s definitely pure dps

Rip monk 😔

[woven escarp]

I mean, more like rip drg

[open verge]

DRG gets cool looking skills every expansion

[woven escarp]

unless reaper's pdps still doesn't offset drg's rdps contributions, then rip reaper lol

maybe drg will finally get final chorus

stardiver hits 5 times in an AOE around the target for 600 potency + 50% falloff

😌

[hasty totem]

――アヴァターは何種類かあるのでしょうか？
How many Avatars will we have for this job?

吉田　いえ、さすがにグラフィックスの制約というか、レギュレーションが存在していますので1種類になります。今日の開発パネルでもお話しましたが、1キャラクターに収めることができるテクスチャー容量もポリゴン数も、すべて厳密に決められているのです。

そのなかで、ダイナミックな動きをしたうえに、アヴァター用のモデルとテクスチャーを限界まで詰め込んでいるので、もし「アヴァターを5種類で」と発注したら、デザイナーから「それならレギュレーションを変えてくださいよ」と言われてしまいます（笑）。アヴァターが1体しかいないからこそ、アヴァターと融合したときのダイナミックさがすごく気持ちよくなるように作られているジョブにしています。
　
また、アヴァターと融合したときの姿は、種族ごとにちゃんと変化があり、全員同じにはなりません。そこはプレイヤーのキャラクターの個性が消えないような対応を精一杯やっていますので、ぜひそちらに期待していただければうれしいです。

Yoshida: Well you see, as you know that we have restrictions or regulations on the graphic side, so we can only afford one single Avatar type. As I have mentioned in the development panel held today, we are restricted on how much we can allow for textures and polygons that can be stored in one character, so they are all strictly regulated.

In addition to the dynamic movements, the models and textures for Avatar are packed to its limit, so if I were to request for five different types of Avatars, the designer would ask for me to change the regulations" (laughs). Since there is only one Avatar, we instead made sure the dynamicness of the job when it fuses with the Avatar will look very pleasant.
　
Also, the appearance of each race when they fuse with an Avatar will be different, so they won’t all look the same. We've done our best to keep the individuality of the player character intact, so I hope you'll look forward to it.

[woven escarp]

does that mean highlanders will become 2stronk freakbeasts when they merge with the avatar?

[open verge]

Oh so it’s an actual model change for that transformation

[tiny wind]

didn't expect more than 1 avatar anyway

lala reaper still sounds funny lmao

[woven escarp]

imagine if the lala avatar merge is just the stupid orange floating ghosts from like, dzemael darkhold

[wet crown]

just turns into the tentacle thing from O2 with a cloak

[woven escarp]

that's the au ra one

[maiden lodge]

They tend to sneak a couple key actions into the benchmark, show off each job's AF.

[wet crown]

come on, I mean the whole trailer showcase (for a given job)

[maiden lodge]

no no I misspoke, that's on me, soz

[distant sonnet]

Shits the post again.
Yeah but just wait for Anima to be Zenos Reaper's voidsent friend.

[maiden lodge]

Zenos probably won't get an Avatar.

[distant sonnet]

Prolly not. Or not in the same way, anyway.

[maiden lodge]

Or at all.

[distant sonnet]

I actually could see Anima being a horiffic soul amalgam because of that "I'll feast on a sea of souls" line from the trailer.

[maiden lodge]

Samurai often get moves, for example, that are related to the three sen, an ice checkerboard move, some sort of slishslash involving cherry petals, and some sort of moon related move. Gilgamesh does, Trinity Seeker does, you know, it's fairly consistant. Zenos never does, cause he can't.

Zenos probably isn't gonna do anything that involves pacts (seriously Zenos fight with a buddy?). At best, he'll try to override Zodiark or Hydaelyn or something, but he's not gonna have a stand, it doesn't really fit his character.

[onyx tapir]

I wonder if anima is Zeno's voidsent

[maiden lodge]

A bigger question would be 'How can Zenos do anything voidsenty with a Garlean body and a rocket scythe'

[midnight panther]

Use his echo omo

[sterile galleon]

So now we'll have to wait until October for more news on 6.0

Those being the benchmark, media tour and expansion live letter

[teal geyser]

Yeah he has resonance his body means nothing.

Also that's assuming he even gets an avatar and if he does inb4 It's Anima

[gaunt star]

fandaniel but he looks like ascian prime

[maiden lodge]

I know they take some liberties with resonance but it's not the same thing as using magic and such, it's still just the Echo.

[teal geyser]

It was literally made to enable magic usage in Garleans sooo

and we've seen Zenos use magic sooooo

[maiden lodge]

We've seen Elidibus use magic

[teal geyser]

put two and two together

[teal geyser]

And Zenos in 5.1

[maiden lodge]

We've seen Zenos do a weird resonance shield thing and some ascian bamfing

[teal geyser]

magic

[maiden lodge]

'Ascian bamfing' is echo-related

[teal geyser]

the shield

[maiden lodge]

Is wierd.

[teal geyser]

is magic

[maiden lodge]

Might be an echo power though.

[teal geyser]

I'm not sure why you're resisting so much when we were literally told that the resonance was made to enable magic usage

[maiden lodge]

There's a word to describe the idea I'm thinking of and it's on the tip of my tongue

If it was made to enable magic use, that does not mean it successfully permitted magic use.

They researched the echo to see if it could do something. That doesn't imply that the idea worked or was sound--and as it turns out, it lets them do other things instead.

[teal geyser]

The lorebook says he succeeded

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[maiden lodge]

It says he can do magic now?

[teal geyser]

It says Aulus "succeeded", it never outright says "Zenos can use magic" but if Aulus' thing was to allow Garleans to use magic through resonance then "succeeded" would mean resonance allows magic usage no?

[maiden lodge]

No, that can imply that he succeeded in giving Zenos the Resonant.

Though I can't exactly break down what it says exactly because, you know... getting lore books is not exactly easy in 2021

[teal geyser]

This suggests that the resonance works to allow aether usage though

[maiden lodge]

Fair.

[teal geyser]

He basically managed it but with mental problems and then he refined it so it just works

So yeah, "Zenos can use magic" is a pretty concrete thing to say

[maiden lodge]

Oh hang on no

[pine epoch]

Just going to post a conspiracy theory I saw

[maiden lodge]

That doesn't say that 24's resonant

[pine epoch]

https://twitter.com/mizurimns/status/1394326369987751942

ミズリ❂5.5済 (@mizurimns)

ゼノスが座ってる玉座、やけにアニマくさくない？

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Twitter · May 17, 2021, 4:18 PM

[maiden lodge]

It says that 24 was his first experiment in making garleans produce aether--then he went ON to create the Resonant.

[teal geyser]

So you're going to say he got that far, backtracked and made the resonant. Got it

[maiden lodge]

ehhh.... not quite.

[teal geyser]

I'm just not sure what I can even say to you

[distant sonnet]

But if a voidsent shows up, Zenos isn't doing it.
Hes having his powers enabled.. by the horrible avatar thing.

[crystal arrow]

we fight 24 in a dungeon full of hypertuned and other experimental soldiers. It's a safe assumption to make.

[subtle pasture]

Cal didn’t say Subject 24 was Resonant

[maiden lodge]

I'm saying that it's not saying what you're claiming exactly. The experiments might not be related. Also the guy does do multipe experiments--including just yeeting our souls from our bodies.

[crystal arrow]

And... wait yeah, cal never said that.

[maiden lodge]

But what it does not say, and what you are claiming, is that 'The Resonant is a successful path to making Garleans manipulate aether'

[subtle pasture]

Resonance was invented as a followup to the experiments that first bore fruit in Subject 24, that is, experiments in order to grant the Garlean genome magic potential

[maiden lodge]

Which does not imply that the resonant allows the ability to manipulate aether, nor that it is 'a step backwards' if it didn't.

[distant sonnet]

So I thought it was said that like.. while trying to figure out how to make garleans that could manipulate aether, he accidentally a resonant.

[subtle pasture]

But what in that excludes resonance from granting aether manipulation?

[maiden lodge]

What it says is 'He did this, it worked, he perfected it, and then went on from there to yeet echo into people'

[maiden lodge]

That's not how it works. The claim is that the Resonant permits aether manipulation.

Don't shift that burden of evidence to me.

[subtle pasture]

With the evidence being, it followed up and came out of research with that in mind, what is the counter

[severe brook]

but now we must discuss if the Revolver Chamber in Zenos' new scythe is just there because he's used to gunblades, or if he needs it for aetheric manipulation still

[maiden lodge]

The counter is that it does not necessarily follow that research into aether manipulation then going into echo-yeeting successfully means that echo-yeeting allows manipulation of aether, merely that the resonent is part of a chain of research that may, or may not, have yielded that result.

[distant sonnet]

"Cool scythe. Can you make it explode sometimes?"

[teal geyser]

I believe you're mixing up resonant with the uh...hypertuned

[distant sonnet]

Ah, right.

[maiden lodge]

Hypertuned are also a part of that research... after number 24. Can they use magic?

[subtle pasture]

Also there is easy counter evidence in the hypertuned, which is another byproduct of Aulus’sc research

—right

[teal geyser]

Wait why are you saying they are after 24? You don't know that. Really it says "early" so it's probably before 24

You just made that up

[maiden lodge]

The timeline for making 24 then would be very short.

[subtle pasture]

But also that hyper tuned is just Magitek augmentation where resonance is a finer tuned process of what happened to 24— bathed and infused with aether

[severe brook]

weren't the hypertuned in Castrum Abania able to use some magical abilities

[maiden lodge]

Aulus would have to have made 24 after we left Doma. That doesn't scan that he'd do that, make 24, make zenos resonanant, and have all of it be a 'SUCCESS!'

[teal geyser]

You don't think Gyrnewaht was the first hypertuned do you? lol

[subtle pasture]

Actually the progression is implied to be pureblood aetherdunking > Magitek augmentation > echo aethermapping

[maiden lodge]

So, Aulus can juggle multiple projects at the same time with multiple intentions and results?

[teal geyser]

Well he probably can but no, he just had an idea back in the day and Yotsuyu and co repurposed it for Mr Namesday to make him stronger

[viscid monolith]

I don't think he was the first hypertuned

[maiden lodge]

The facility is in Gyr Abania for that--Aulus would have to be adjacently involved. So, he can work on Hypertuned, run a facility for that, and at the same time research giving people magic powers and like whatever the fuck is going on with Inferno, but he can't research giving Garleans magic, and then move on to the Resonant?

So Aulus can research different things.... unless it's Magic and Echo?

[viscid monolith]

They'd have to be researching for the Resonant project for a good while. Hypertuning was created as a byproduct of Resonant.

[severe brook]

i mean, the intent is pretty similar throughout. everything he's doing is to try to achieve magic use for pureblood Garleans, it's just that he's experimenting with different methods to achieve it.

[distant sonnet]

Aulus also researched how to yeet souls out of bodies.

Mad scientists gonna mad science.

[maiden lodge]

No, everything he's doing is because he's a mad scientist looking at augmentation, in general.

[viscid monolith]

Isn't Inferno also Hypertuned

[maiden lodge]

His goal isn't 'magic Garleans' it's 'beefier Garleans'

[maiden lodge]

I didn't say Inferno was.

[teal geyser]

Let's assuming Mr Namesday HAD to go back to Ala Mhigo for the procedure, it literally could have been done by any of his staff, it didn't have to be him specifically in charge of it

[severe brook]

if i recall it was outright said that he saw magic use as the sole thing Garleans were lacking, so he was trying to make up for that with stuff like Resonance and Hypertuning and Number XXIV

though yes, Inferno is more just about physical modification

[viscid monolith]

But that's what he is, isn't he?

[teal geyser]

It's similar but no

[viscid monolith]

I thought every boss in Castrum was supposed to be Hypertuned.

[teal geyser]

It was just synthetic muscle enhancement abomination

[subtle pasture]

Subject 24’s blurb ends, “with further testing, he would go on to make the Resonant”
Grynewaht’s blurb opens with, “in the early stages of making the Resonant, (he made the Hypertuned)”

[maiden lodge]

Regardless... the point is, you're using the fact that Aulus did one bit of research to imply that everything he did after that was to accomplish that one bit of research's goal, despite him doing multiple bits of research with a broader theme of Garlean augmentation.

[viscid monolith]

It was more than just Muscle Enhancement Cal. Inferno was using magic.

[maiden lodge]

Which implies the goal is not 'garleans can use magic' it's The Echo itself.

[distant sonnet]

He seems like the type to have flashes of mad inspiration.

[severe brook]

i don't think Inferno's wholly synthetic; he has a third eye.

[distant sonnet]

Very much a "Throw everything at the experimental supersoldier and see what sticks" type.

[subtle pasture]

As a means to grant magic potential, which is the start of this all

[maiden lodge]

And The Echo is taboo in Garlemald, it's considered equivalent to Eikons, so he's doing research that's considered 'forbidden' by Garlean standards--Garleans using magic would not be.

[subtle pasture]

Cal could you pull up Aulus’s blurb itself

[teal geyser]

I mean if your endgoal is to get Garleans to use aether and you succeeded in a case but had mental problems and then literally says and from here, after additional testing made resonant then yes what he did after 24 was to allow Garleans to use aether

[maiden lodge]

The thing is, he wouldn't need Zenos to make 24.

[teal geyser]

wut

[maiden lodge]

24 isn't the sort of research Garlemald forbids.

[viscid monolith]

I'm just gonna go with all of the bosses being Hypertuned.

[subtle pasture]

Zenos is the patron that allowed him to do his mad science, he needed the funding of a legatus at least

[teal geyser]

Oh, idk, I think Gaius wouldn't allow it lol @maiden lodge

[maiden lodge]

Garlemald is FINE with human experimentation on a gruesome level, come on.

[subtle pasture]

Also, Zenos picked up him as his head engineer because of his mad science

[teal geyser]

I really don't think Gaius was

[stray granite]

is this meme true?i?

[viscid monolith]

No

[maiden lodge]

I'm not claiming Gaius is.

[opaque hemlock]

space isn't the real issue. we need more plates!

[viscid monolith]

Well yes. There are people that would genuinely be more excited if we got 1000 slots. But we are not getting 1000 slots.

[stray granite]

plates??

[opaque hemlock]

glamour plates

[maiden lodge]

I'm saying Garlemald is. But the Echo is not okay under Garlean doctrine, that's equivalent to Eikon research, it goes against the Garlean core ethos (as informed by propaganda)

[tropic frigate]

space is becoming an issue for me and plates

[teal geyser]

Fuck me I hate this book for it being hard to find these blurbs

[tropic frigate]

they really should give us more inventory rather than showing us retainers exist

[torpid yoke]

What yall talking about

[teal geyser]

Whether Zenos can totally definitely use magic

[subtle pasture]

There, Aulus’s blurb says his goal was always granting them magic, and Zenos funded him to research that.

[maiden lodge]

Okay fair. But it still doesn't actually say--

[teal geyser]

Which 24 was specifically a part of and was worked upon to make resonance

[torpid yoke]

Well he can make his own shield so probably to some extent

[viscid monolith]

He succeeded because the 2 Resonant Hypertuned we met in Castrum were Garleans using magic

[maiden lodge]

...fuck it never mind. I'll just play the card ya'll play at me. 'Ya'll assumin'

[viscid monolith]

But they mutated horribly

[teal geyser]

Damn doing Fordola dirty like that

[subtle pasture]

[torpid yoke]

The 5.1 fight implies he can since to make the shield his resonant appeared

[viscid monolith]

I edited it

[maiden lodge]

Yeahhh.... but that's the only magic-adjacent thing he ever does.

[viscid monolith]

Teleport

[maiden lodge]

That's an echo power.

[torpid yoke]

I mean he's more of a physical fighter anyways

[viscid monolith]

No it isn't maybe.

[teal geyser]

Hypertuned isn't the same thing though just say "basically 2/3 resonant" or "1/2 resonant + experiment 24" or whatever

[severe brook]

that could be argued to be from the Resonant/Ascian-esque ability instead of outright magic, though personally i think it's a pointless distinction

[subtle pasture]

Nitpick the “always” if you wish, that is pushing a stretch I’ll admit, but the only thing to the contrary is why he also indulged in soul extracting research, since we don’t get much on that front aside from speculating on the nature of the resonance

[viscid monolith]

Maybe

[viscid monolith]

Then what do we call these augmented Garleans?

[torpid yoke]

Are we wondering if he can now shoot fire balls at ppl?

[teal geyser]

Like....?

[severe brook]

i mean, there was no reason before for Zenos to alter his fighting style to incorporate more direct aether manipulation because that wasn't his style. That will likely change now with him becoming a distorted Reaper, like how he was a distorted Samurai before.

[maiden lodge]

More if he can access aether in a means necessary to form a pact with an Avatar.

[viscid monolith]

The 2nd and 3rd bosses of Castrum

[teal geyser]

to be fair they say resonance making requires extraction of like "soul essence" so boom there you go

[viscid monolith]

Does inferno have a TT card?

[teal geyser]

They don't really have categories but 2nd is closer to resonance and 3rd is closer to hypertuned tbh

[maiden lodge]

Even as a distorted Samurai he never directly did aether attacks--he still had his golfbag and the kami in the swords doing that.

[severe brook]

yeah that's what i mean in that he had no reason to change up what he was doing besides the force field, up until now

[viscid monolith]

The 2nd is not closer to Resonant. It has no echo abilities. There is no in between you either are or are not a Resonant.

[teal geyser]

It's also unclear when he actually got the resonant to be fair so the the very least you can only count the very last fight in Ala Mhigo

[maiden lodge]

Agreed.

[subtle pasture]

I wanna see that meeting where he discovered Aulus’s true aspirations while testing the scabbard

[viscid monolith]

Both are Hypertuned

[teal geyser]

It's closer so far as "it allowed Garleans to use aether like resonance was intended to do"

[severe brook]

"Tales from the End" when

[subtle pasture]

Like did Aulus drop some notes about human experimentation

[maiden lodge]

24's not Hypertuned, he's a different angle of approaching the problem.

[viscid monolith]

I already said Inferno could use magic unless you think he's throwing meteors.

[torpid yoke]

How do pacts even work in ff14....

[teal geyser]

I don't remember the fight or the move names so no comment there. I'm just going off the lorebook that doesn't mention being able to do magic for it

[viscid monolith]

What makes him not Hypertuned? What IS Hypertuning?

[maiden lodge]

Hypertuning is implanting magitek in someone to augment them.

[severe brook]

i mean we don't even exactly know how our pact with the Void Avatar works yet

hell the lore staff don't even know how it works yet

[teal geyser]

this basically

[severe brook]

(I'm sure they have some ideas but it's not set in stone yet)

[viscid monolith]

Well you don't need magitek to be hypertuned

[subtle pasture]

Again, it seems the progression was:
Pureblood aetherdunking > Magitek augmentation/hypertuning > echo aethermapping/resonance

[teal geyser]

btw you remind me how fucking stupid this blurb is

[viscid monolith]

Because the mobs in Castrum are Hypertuned and are shirtless in just pants.

[crystal arrow]

The only other named hypertuned we know of is Dabog in Bozja, iirc. Apparently the garleans are doing a lot of hypertuning rather than making more resonants.

[maiden lodge]

The more important thing isn't even that Zenos could use magic to form a pact with an Avatar. The thing is--he wouldn't. This is Zenos. He'd dominate something and use it as a weapon--but he's not going to buddy up with an entity. Not for fighting.

[viscid monolith]

So Hypertuning is just the fortifying chemicals by the sounds of it.

[teal geyser]

Probably an infinitely easier process tbh

[maiden lodge]

No, it's the machina. They're cyborgs. Literally.

[subtle pasture]

I always took the hypertuned mobs to show how insidious the experiments were bc they’re kjnda worse that you can’t see the augments

[teal geyser]

Especially when you consider Aulus wasn't sure if Fordola would survive it

[crystal arrow]

For sure, his entry gives the impression they made a massive facility in... nagxia (?) and are just constantly churning them out

[teal geyser]

That's....terrifying

[subtle pasture]

Right, Fordola (and presumably Zenos) was hypertuned to accept Resonance, no?

[viscid monolith]

They should make it more obvious they're cyborgs then

[subtle pasture]

Or, augmented with Magitek, rather

[teal geyser]

Probably not? I feel like they would have mentioned it idk

[torpid yoke]

Doesn't seem like they were pash

[viscid monolith]

If I just see a bunch of shirtless dudes punching and kicking I won't know they're cyborgs. I'll think they're roided out.

[subtle pasture]

I coulda swore it was, and after Misija I presumed that’s why she doesn’t get the fancy eye effect- assumed it was a Magitek implant? Ah well

[maiden lodge]

Fair, and the distinction doesn't matter narratively, the dungeon's narrative is 'Oh fuck a whole shit tone of experimental monster men between you and Krile'

[severe brook]

his entity may not even be a Voidsent like ours. could well be something different, like how his "Sens" were radically different from ours.

like a Lunar or Terminus Beast, perhaps.

like Anima, perhaps.

[maiden lodge]

She does though

[teal geyser]

Jokes on us, our princess was in another castle

[maiden lodge]

That's not addressing the salient point. It's not whether he can, it's whether he would.

[torpid yoke]

Inb4 he tempered anima with his resonant

[crystal arrow]

The chief engineer of the IVth, sicinius, seems to have his own method of hypertuning? so it could be that he has a different way to make resonants as well

Many of the Empire's weapons have been sent to Valnain, where they undergo enhancement under the supervision of Senior Engineer Sicinius mal Vellutus. Two notable fruits of this project are Vigilia and Gabriel, which are designed to be controlled both physically and mentally for superior responsiveness and maneuverability. Piloting these units, however, demands a heightened state of mental sensitivity verging on telepathy, and only those soldiers who have been augmented with magitek can achieve the requisite synchronization between man and machine. While theoretically sound and showing promise in the laboratory, this new interface technology remains in its infancy, and being all too familiar with the fickleness of the flesh, Sicinius resolved to test it fully in Bozja in preparation for the outbreak of conflict in Dalmasca. For this he required a test subject, and the person chosen was Dabog.

[teal geyser]

But no we weren't even meant to get Krile there lol

[subtle pasture]

Not the big red eye, though

[severe brook]

oh this wasn't about whether he has magic now or not, it was just in general

[maiden lodge]

Let me find it

[teal geyser]

THATS LITERALLY GUNDAM NEWTYPES WHAT THE FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

[subtle pasture]

God I hope Dabog isn’t that duel with an Inferno recolor...

[crystal arrow]

Dabog seems to be sort of fighting his programming, based on that little encounter you can sometimes have with him outside of Olana's stand after vigil for the lost where he's super confused and doesn't know where he is/what he's doing

I hope we save him in zadnor or something :x dude joined the resistance because his parents and siblings died in the bozja incident

[severe brook]

BIG FAT TACOS 2

okay honestly if the IVth Legion ended up unearthing Allagan Jade Weapon i'd laugh

[torpid yoke]

I honestly would think zenos would just temper his own beast to him. He would know how to probably

[crystal arrow]

Whatever they unearthed is probably also gougan or ivalician, not allagan

[teal geyser]

Won't be as bad as Zenos finding Omega from Dirge of Cerberus

[teal geyser]

Dis getting fucked by slowmode

[maiden lodge]

No? I was actually spending that time looking for Fordola's Resonant Eye

[teal geyser]

oh

[kind lark]

ew

[subtle pasture]

Oh no no, I meant why doesn’t Misija have the resonant eye

[teal geyser]

^

[crystal arrow]

I wonder if that thing behind the magitek construct boss on the dalriada is tatarus, or if the construct is tatarus

[maiden lodge]

Actually.. I'll have to go back and check on that too

[crystal arrow]

I originally thought it was just like, the reactor of the ship or some shit but it'd make more sense to be tatarus wouldn't it

[heady shadow]

resonant eyes are just sharingan xD

[maiden lodge]

I misread though

[subtle pasture]

For one thing we’ve never seen her “echo activate” so that could be why, I suppose

[crystal arrow]

Misija does not have resonant eyes, but her eyes become blue and dragon-y right before she becomes the queen

[maiden lodge]

Yeah but that's like, eikon-adjacent shit

That said Lyse is a boss in that Fordola scene

[subtle pasture]

“Activate” as in, when she receives a vision, and how so far it seems she receives the same vision as Mikoto, when she does

[teal geyser]

LySE SuCKs

[crystal arrow]

https://i.imgur.com/QYhlHvR.png

[maiden lodge]

True but Fordola's eye doesn't flare up when she echoflashes either

[severe brook]

i think Misija's eyes becoming catlike are meant to be her equivalent of the Red Eyes?

though maybe that's also just StQ's influence

yeah what azeriia posted

[maiden lodge]

'LySE HaS No cHArACtEr'

[crystal arrow]

But she lacks those eyes at the end of the fight, it's just at this part that she has them

[subtle pasture]

It did on occasion back then, but not once since

[gaunt star]

Oh no, she's becoming one of them

[severe brook]

Sicinius revised Resonance to be more subtle

[teal geyser]

Okay that's pretty hot though

[torpid yoke]

I think its just because of StQ

[severe brook]

[teal geyser]

she does in 4.1

[maiden lodge]

That's related to the lore of manifesting as the Hrothgar Queen

[crystal arrow]

right after when she appears as the queen she just has normal roe eyes though https://i.imgur.com/A0gu7hp.png

[maiden lodge]

Okay yeah, she does at that.

[kind lark]

cursed image

[torpid yoke]

Omg misjia is a reaper and her stand is the queen

[subtle pasture]

I remember hoping the StQ primal would be an amalgamation of past queens and we could, at least, see fem hroth as components of it

[crystal arrow]

Less effects here, but yeah https://i.imgur.com/jvc4TBa.png, different eyes for this part, I think it's her resonance activating

[teal geyser]

Killer Queen
or just Queen

[torpid yoke]

Bite the dust

[subtle pasture]

But then again, the only Gunnhildr to manifest the primal was Nevembya

[maiden lodge]

She's a primal manifester at that point, so, it's probably that.

[crystal arrow]

doesn't zenos' resonance activate right before he merges with shinryu?

[maiden lodge]

We've seen that before

[viscid monolith]

These don't count Dis

[crystal arrow]

Her eyes don't look like any of those though. Just normal.

also none of those people are resonant.

[viscid monolith]

Cause they aren't cat eyes

[viscid monolith]

Also Shiva's eyes are always that color.

[maiden lodge]

Yes, cause Hrothgar queen primal would have cat eyes at parts.

[viscid monolith]

But she's not a Hrothgar

[crystal arrow]

That's not misija or nevembya though that's the stand version of the queen

[kind lark]

Dunefolk lalas are resonant.

[torpid yoke]

Damn budget

[maiden lodge]

Is not the point.

[severe brook]

isn't the stand version of the queen based on Nevembya

[maiden lodge]

Blue glowy eyes is primal inhabitation.

[torpid yoke]

The stand version had the cat eyes

[maiden lodge]

And i'm not going to get into a discussion about whether Gunnhildr, queen of the hrothgar, is a hrothgar queen primal, just because two manifesters of said primal were roegadyn.

[crystal arrow]

I mean, gunnhildr in the murals is very obviously a femhroth, she has noticable cat ears

[maiden lodge]

Are there any male primal manifesters that aren't wearing a big fuck off helm---hang on

[viscid monolith]

No

[severe brook]

because the murals are depicting the "actual" Gunnhildr, the one who refused to use the blade and so was deposed
because they also show Nevembya at her side

[maiden lodge]

We have one exception to that

Actually those eyes are still weird

[distant sonnet]

SWoLidibus is a trickier case though

As hes already a primal and it gets... complicated.

[severe brook]

well actually wait i think the one with all the tendrils is showing Nevembya!Gunnhildr
but the one with the Queen and her Handmaidens is showing the FemHroth Gunnhildr and the others

[viscid monolith]

The 2 manifesters of the primal

[maiden lodge]

Elidibus himself is a primal but he's not... yeah he's a case.

[torpid yoke]

Misijia is a weird case cuz past queen had normal eyes but as a stand she had cat eyes

[maiden lodge]

who are manifesting a hrothgar queen, yes

[viscid monolith]

The Primal Queen Gunhildr is a Roe. Always has been. Her having cat eyes makes no sense.

[crystal arrow]

No, it's not - you can see the ears on gunnhildr, and the face looks noticably different from nevembya's/femroe's

[torpid yoke]

But misjia turning into the queen she gets cat eyes but changes back to normal during the fight

[gaunt star]

I think that Misijia’s body as the queen is probably what female Hrothgar’s base will be (minus the fur and tail obviously)

[maiden lodge]

I seriously should not have to argue why a primal of the queen of hrothgar having cat eyes makes sense. It's selfevident.

[viscid monolith]

And they never become cat eyes again

[severe brook]

ah okay, i see now, i thought that was just the shape of the crown making it look like she had cat ears

[crystal arrow]

https://i.imgur.com/lu3a51x.png These openings are also not present on the crown itself, but it seems like she's wearing the crown behind her ears

[maiden lodge]

It's not resonant shit. It's flavored that she's becoming a primal of the queen of lion people.

[viscid monolith]

So why are there not any other cat details? The whole thing just seems kinda half assed.

[maiden lodge]

You do see the cat ears on her attendants later.

[crystal arrow]

yeah no, I think that was an intended ruse - but if you compare the one misija or nevembya is wearing with this one you can see that it's definitely her ears

[severe brook]

except for the one that's Nevembya, yeah

[crystal arrow]

her nose is also super cat-like when comparing it to the handmaidens, as well

[viscid monolith]

We're talking about Misija

[maiden lodge]

tolll

[crystal arrow]

I feel like they did it this way so they didn't have to commit to a femhroth design super early

[severe brook]

man the Labyrinthos music really sounds like a place you'd find, like, Tinker Gnomes or something

[crystal arrow]

oh sorry, misunderstood then

[severe brook]

it sounds like a tinnier version of the Dwarves' theme

[maiden lodge]

It's not half assed. It's a minor visual flare. It makes sense for obvious reasons, but it doesn't need to go further than that. It's just a cool thing that happens.

[viscid monolith]

Misija's eye briefly turn cat like before she transforms, then after she's the actual primal there are no cat features. No I don't think the cat eyes have anything to do with becoming a Hrothgar Queen.

[steep coral]

Idk on that one kawaii, I think when they modeled her after a roe in the cutscenes she is a roe

[crystal arrow]

Bozja is not just a kingdom of hrothgar, though? the "cat ears because queen of hroth" makes no sense, especially since iirc no actual femhroth gunnhildr had ever touched StQ.

[viscid monolith]

It's just stupid. Why even bother in the first place?

[bold condor]

have y'all seen Amanda Achen?

[steep coral]

Might get a hroth primal sometime later though

[viscid monolith]

Who

[bold condor]

singer of Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Endwalker

[maiden lodge]

I am seriously not going to argue that a core part of Hrothgar lore is not related to cat people. That's nutty. I dislike arguing the self-evident

[steep coral]

Give us supernova deity kimahri

[bold condor]

because she looks like this

https://tenor.com/view/sweating-hot-sweat-sweaty-nervous-gif-5794196

[viscid monolith]

You tell me why they would bother with such a minor detail

[severe brook]

here we go again

[maiden lodge]

I already did, you just don't accept it.

[dense shard]

when will they make pvp good tho

thats the question

[gaunt star]

Supposedly a new pvp mode will come in EW

[viscid monolith]

Because it's a bad reason that doesn't match up with the actual primal's appearance.

[steep coral]

Bruh lmao, that's just a burden we have to bear chip lmao

[viscid monolith]

Bored now

[maiden lodge]

Interpretation 1) The avatar of the queen of the hrothgar people in ancient allag has cat eyes to indicate this
2) It has nothing to do with cat people, and it's resonant stuff, bceause reaaaaasons.

[prisma vine]

ok lance look at shiva who we fight and the depictions of shiva in the churning mists

[bold condor]

dunno if this helps

[viscid monolith]

I'm less arguing woth Dis and shitting on the decision itself

[torpid yoke]

Stand gunhilder

[maiden lodge]

The primal looks like Nevembra.

[steep coral]

So, was gunjilder the first queen is all?

[gaunt star]

Remember when no one could find datamines of female Hrothgar when they added the queen dress and we thought they weren’t coming...how times have changed

[viscid monolith]

Is that the name of Misija's ancestor

[maiden lodge]

But the idea of the primal is that it's a queen that is really important to Hrothgar everything

[severe brook]

Novembera

[viscid monolith]

I'm just saying they should have showed that in the design instead of blowing the budget on her weird chair that comes out of nowhere.

[steep coral]

Yo, when we getting that chair mount tho

[gaunt star]

Everybody loves body horror chair

[maiden lodge]

You need to be told that the queen of Bozja is important to the Hrothgar? Really?

[viscid monolith]

No I think that should be reflected in the design

Instead her eyes are cat eyes for 10 seconds

[maiden lodge]

The design is to reflect the dissonance between the legend and the history.

The whole point is that this queen isn't Hrothgar

[severe brook]

i don't really like the body horror chair too much, but it's been growing on me some
honestly it'd be neat if the chair was there for Phase 1 and then she took on more of an armored warrior appearance for Phase 2

[gaunt star]

Imagine playing bozja as femhroth later on gonna be awkward as fuck

[viscid monolith]

But the legend isn't even that the queen was Hrothgar. Because the REAL queen at the time was also a roe.

[bold condor]

[maiden lodge]

The whole point is that the history, and the actual facts, do not agree (a common theme of Matsuda)

[bold condor]

tfw male viera and dramaturge says you practically don't exist

[viscid monolith]

Dis the legend has nothing to do with the queen being hrothgar, you thought that up.

[torpid yoke]

That happens to me anyways so nothing new

[maiden lodge]

I can't do this Lance.

[bold condor]

haters gonna hate, bun boys gonna bun

[steep coral]

Personally, I just liked the fight lol, I want the chair mount

[maiden lodge]

To me it's obvious why they did what they did. It's obvious why the cat-eyes make sense, and why she looks like who she does and not someone else. It makes sense to me and I can't explain any better. I can't keep reexplaining it, it doesn't have to be complicated to make sense.

[gaunt star]

The real tragedy is that we’ll probably never get the queen dress as glam for them when they release

I guess their racial gear would be some kind of Roman female warrior type thing like the men’s?

[maiden lodge]

The real tragedy is when female hroth release, they'll probably be shorter than femroe and still not have dat badonkadonk, cause them cats in dat mural got dat.

[viscid monolith]

I've moved onto something else. I'm telling you this is not true.

[steep coral]

Might get these things with later releases imo, so I wouldnt fret too much

[teal geyser]

Speaking of, they are dominating the gifs now apparently

[maiden lodge]

That's literally the story--that the history has changed from the reality. We go into Save the Queen's memory and then see the history was false. And then Misiji changes that memory and makes a new false history for Save the Queen.

[gaunt star]

Benchmark can’t come soon enough

[digital radish]

I mean they could just ignore every detail ever and have you complain about that too...but think of it like a Nod to past queens etc. like uh..Avatar kinda deal with ancestors? its not that big

[severe brook]

there'll be some fitting use for this gif in november
https://tenor.com/view/whack-a-mole-bunny-rabbit-early-man-early-man-movie-gif-10249174

[viscid monolith]

The false history has nothing to do with the queen's race though. The false history isn't reflected in the design.

[gaunt star]

“I can’t believe they’re taking everything unique about Viera and miqote and giving it to the whiners!!” - the latest take in crazyland

[teal geyser]

huh?

[maiden lodge]

Okay. But do I really need to explain why a primal of a queen of hrothgar would manifest hrothgar eyes? Do I really?

[viscid monolith]

I need you to xplain why she had Hrothgar eyes for 10 seconds

[gaunt star]

Forums were having a normal one earlier 🤷‍♂️

[maiden lodge]

I already have.

[distant sonnet]

I mean.. while it nowhere outright stares that it is, you don't need an especially generous interpretation to get there.

Its symbolism at its almost most basic.

[viscid monolith]

You haven't but I'm really getting bored of this back and forth

[maiden lodge]

I have multiple times.

[digital radish]

Just as a third party watching this unfold..I think Dis was fairly clear multiple times but

[viscid monolith]

What's symbolic about it lasting all of 10 seconds and then going back to regular human eyes?

[bold condor]

...

[maiden lodge]

the fact that it only lasts 10 seconds only emphasizes that it's symbolic

[bold condor]

Okay, please find a different topic.

[maiden lodge]

Thank you!

[steep coral]

Lmao, so how about that lunar whale

[digital radish]

is it actually a whale

[bold condor]

It's not a real whale 0/10

[severe brook]

so what do we think that battlefield area we saw is about, is that the first Thavnair dungeon

[distant sonnet]

The flying xenomorph junk?

[kind lark]

Its a primal.

[bold condor]

No, it's an airship.

[kind lark]

A PRIMAL

[crystal arrow]

It's just an airship built by the ironworks.