retired-patch-6-3-discussion

[deft burrow]

I think its coming 6.1

[hidden rivet]

ty!

[gaunt star]

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[maiden lodge]

Yes, back in february. It'll come out in EW, after launch, 6.1, because they never release housing at the same time as an expac drop

[pine epoch]

this is like the perfect middle ground for what everyone was asking for

[hidden rivet]

Did they say anything about the firmament changing or going away? or is it staying for good?

[severe brook]

i mean, there's no purpose in subverting expectations for the sake of subverting expectations

[deft burrow]

ya

[gaunt star]

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[mighty light]

Yeah, male Viera were handled well

[severe brook]

granted, it'd be really funny if male Viera were as small relative to female Viera as female Au Ra are to male Au Ra

[gaunt star]

The elezen male population gonna drop to like 10 people

[deft burrow]

guess you could say they are breeding like rabbits with the amount of buns we're gonna have

[severe brook]

the catboy population, meanwhile, will be annihilated

[maiden lodge]

I like the male viera for the same reason I want a hoss of a female hrothgar--people who want pretty boy fantasy play, they should be catered to. People who want that beastwoman, they should be catered to.

Am I either of those people? No. Who cares, if people are happy?

[severe brook]

at least now the amount of male miqo'te players will be lore-friendly

[pine epoch]

They look roughly as Pretty boy as Male Miqo'te do

[severe brook]

but the amount of male viera players will not
this is the law of equivalent exchange

[maiden lodge]

I also just like seeing more types of people out there

[deft burrow]

I did want the male viera to be a little bit more muscular in the arms but we have the gatherer shirt for that so meh

[carmine basin]

Ngl the catboys will change back to catboys when they realize how bad no hats are

[maiden lodge]

Yeah but they're REALLY pretty. Like, dayam pretty.

[deft burrow]

I always play with no headgear displaying because most headgear sucks ass

[pine epoch]

I mean... They look normal so

[maiden lodge]

Like viera are really pretty.

[gaunt star]

There’s very few hats that I’ll miss for male Viera plus look at how gorgeous their hairs are

I’m good with circlets and glasses for them

[severe brook]

i was kind of hoping they'd have The Tycoon as the video for Locus in the concert, but oh well

[maiden lodge]

Where do you live where that is considered normal appearance because I'll move I swear to live amongst the pretty people

[pine epoch]

x3 Not Arkansas

[wary perch]

The gay will grind their face on male veira abs if they have muscle slider lol

[maiden lodge]

ahaha

[gaunt star]

Male Vieras will probably have an ear slider, not muscle

[wary perch]

And the girls too

[carmine basin]

It' probably gonna be used for ear length slider again

They seem to only be able to have one slider

[maiden lodge]

Good. Let them.

[deft burrow]

I'd like both

[sterile galleon]

Pronounced abs and a twink figure?

[pine epoch]

The only way I will be disappointed in Male Viera if there is no muscle slider

[severe brook]

no middle sliders

[deft burrow]

Yeah... I do want some more muscle definition

[gaunt star]

As far as I’ve seen each race has one unique slider, for Vieras that’s ears

[crystal arrow]

I think you misspelled femhroth

[carmine basin]

If muscle sliders were possible, other races with customizable ears/tails would've had hem

[deft burrow]

Yeah true

[lucid scroll]

i am extremely uncomfortable with the energy we've created in the lifestream today

[gaunt star]

What I hope for female Hrothgar is that their hairs aren’t bound to faces. It don’t take a genius to know how bad of an idea that was

[severe brook]

"That's a funny trick to play on Hydaelyn!" Looking at Barbatos

[pine epoch]

Granted if there is no muscle slider, 3rd party mods will give them muscles

but it sucks for no mod people.

[carmine basin]

Also gives them nipples

[gaunt star]

Body mods already released for midlander base will probably work on male Viera from day 1

[mighty light]

If it's still like that for male Hrothgar, it'll be like that for female Hrothgat

[gaunt star]

God help us

[crystal arrow]

we don't know if they're doing it that way or not I'd assume the development of femhroth and m viera has put them behind a bit on the customization front

[deft burrow]

Well with the introduction of male and female versions it just creates an even bigger need to fix hats and stuff for them

[pine epoch]

Male Viera, there is 1 overly feminine face, there is 1 face that looks mostly Anime Masculine. and I wasn't paying attention to the other face they showed off in the trailer

[warped hull]

Yeah I would view it from a different angle. The two races were just released way too early before they were finished

[steep coral]

We getting a 3rd vid today? :o

[gaunt star]

No new vids

[crystal arrow]

One of them looks like an edited version of fem viera 1

[steep coral]

Really? Dam...

[woven escarp]

I mean, there's what, 2000 helmet items in the game that need to be modified for viera and ronso?

[gaunt star]

I loved seeing fringe Twitter be upset that male Viera didn’t have antelope horns like bro wtf

[deft burrow]

wtf

[warped hull]

Yeah, Miqote is already intense enough work.

[gaunt star]

That they could fix by flicking a switch and actually designing hairs with a hat model in mind

[warped hull]

And then there are people like me who just never wear hats lol

[woven escarp]

isn't it the ears clipping?

[sterile galleon]

They've already spoken about it, their idea is to figure out a way to automate the headgear rigging process. This would probably be done by a small, dedicated team over an extended period.

[warped hull]

I see, that make sense

[gaunt star]

The ears clip roughly like how Au Ra horns do so it’s not that big a deal for most hats

[deft burrow]

Yeah I don't wear hats either lol

[pine epoch]

On Hrothgar the Half Helmets, ones that don't fully hide the head. their muzzles if you re enable the helmet have bad clipping.

[gaunt star]

Another amazing take I saw today is people who are comparing male Viera heights to female are being ungrateful and whiny

[pine epoch]

Why

I know I had a argument with someone claiming that since viera racial gear for female has high heels we cant compare their height to male viera. And I was like "High heels dont work like that in ff14"

[oak pike]

Smol rabbit that’s rad

[gaunt star]

Gamer bros be losing their minds

Grrrr no pretty anime man allowed! Big boob only!!!

[pine epoch]

Like we wont actually know how tall a male viera is until benchmark. But we have take with grain of salt comparison image

[kind lark]

Big booba man when?

[gaunt star]

I don’t really care about height I care that they look fantastic

[pine epoch]

Hes slightly bent over.

[deft burrow]

hunched over yea

[pine epoch]

Apparently there are some idiots who think short men equal children.

[chilly bluff]

Oh sick

[deft burrow]

Still taller than male miqo

[severe brook]

Ah yes, Elidibus, the very deep-voiced child.

[gaunt star]

Also: “omG I cANt bElieve SE caVEd to tHeM!!!”

[crystal arrow]

probably the same people who say that about lalas huh

[severe brook]

Seat of Sacrifice live footage
https://tenor.com/view/anime-onepunchman-saitama-otaku-manga-gif-5018431

[polar sage]

I don't get why people are genuinely upset over the Male Viera thing

[gaunt star]

“I can’t believe that SE destroyed another race like mithra to please the man children!”

[clever flume]

probably the same people who say that women under 5'7 are jailbait...

[deft burrow]

who says that

[sterile galleon]

Some folks think it draws resources away from development on other features, some folks are also just scumbags.

[gaunt star]

For real we need to get a psychologist to examine some of these people

[pine epoch]

Dont look it up to protect your brain cells.

[deft burrow]

ok

[gaunt star]

“I can’t believe male Viera cost us ultimate !!!”

[pine epoch]

It was a guy policing artist on twitter

[deft burrow]

and even if that were the case more people care about male viera than ultimates

[polar sage]

They're arguing the lore doesn't make sense because now the Male Viera will be everywhere

[clever flume]

like don't get me wrong, its not a super prevalent thing but there are some stupid people out there that think if you're under a certain height or don't have giant boobs as a girl, you're either a child or a boy

[gaunt star]

“But ultimates draw in MILLIONS of views!!!” (Bro how??)

[pine epoch]

Millions of views my ass

[deft burrow]

that was also addressed at the announcement when Yoshi-P said that the lore would be updated

[sterile galleon]

They know the lore argument is bullshit, otherwise we wouldn't have male Miqo'te or female Highlanders.

[polar sage]

Thats what I thought lmao

[deft burrow]

Ultimates are done by the 1% of players

[gaunt star]

Anyone who was brought to this game by watching ultimate please raise your hands

[pine epoch]

Your twitch streamers are popular for a bit but how many of those are already 14 players

[steep coral]

Yeah its better they release it now if they wanna argue that point

[polar sage]

And yeah the lore argument is bullshit, big agree. I didn't catch the announcement but idgaf

[steep coral]

Cuz then more ultimates in the future will be on schedule than missing races

[clever flume]

i dunno the numbers but FFXIV does see a huge spike on twitch when ultimates are released

people do tune in for the world race

[pine epoch]

Yes it definitely does cause most of the time 14 is pretty dead on twitch. But during raid releases that spikes dramatically

[deft burrow]

Well... 14 receives huge spikes whenever a patch drops which just happens to include an ultimate sometimes

So I don't think the spike is from ultimates tbh

[clever flume]

Not to the degree that ultimates spiked. dont remember which ultimate it was, but twitch was on the first page for several days

[steep coral]

Ucob prob

[clever flume]

patch releases don't get to that point usually

[deft burrow]

Yeah world first races have great twitch views

[pine epoch]

But ya. Reason I hope Male viera is shorter than fem is mostly cause I wanna say fuck you to au ra design. But also irl rabbits have multiple species where the males are smaller than the females

Not dramatically short. But like a head like that take grain of salt comparison image

[deft burrow]

I do think that ultimates are better for getting people exposed to 14 but I don't think they are appealing to the average viewer who is seeing 14 for the first time

[sterile crane]

:stank

[clever flume]

not like agreeing with the idea that ultimates are somehow more important or anything, but like they do pique interest a lot

especially helps that ultimates take a fair number of days for them to be cleared. whereas savage is done usually by the end of the day or the next

[gaunt star]

I feel like features are the main selling point: jobs, races, locations, and bosses moreso than ultimate

[pine epoch]

I'd play female au ra if they weren't so dainty. It's why if femhroth come out I'd play it for a month because I like playing big women.

[deft burrow]

Island Sanctuary Ultimate

[mighty light]

Femhroths twice the size in every dimension as malehroth

[pine epoch]

The artwork depicts them with some thicc thighs in the stq artwork

[crystal arrow]

all the fem races are too dainty (and don't like femroe for personal reasons) so I'm deffo going femhroth

[deft burrow]

Idk, I like the fem ra design

[gaunt star]

I think we’ll see female Hrothgar’s taller than femroe, probably more defined, and with a set of shorter hair rather than long hair

[pine epoch]

Femroe and femhighlander are good.

[deft burrow]

thighlanders are so hot

[gaunt star]

Also I’d be ok if their ear placement was similar to miqote if that meant it would give them more hairs. That shouldn’t affect their facial features

[mighty light]

I don't hate any of the designs in this game
Again though like I said earlier I'm just very tired of "bulky inhuman male and feminine conventionally attractive female" as a design philosophy

[rain onyx]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/594875567099346954/843290923588780052/20210515_205654.jpg

[gaunt star]

Very doubtful that they’ll get “fur patterns” like the males

[steep coral]

Fem miqo and aura are prob my fav as a guy, but idk lol

[rain onyx]

Comparison photo of someone standing in the same spot

[steep coral]

Still gonna main male miqo forever

[pine epoch]

Well... the problem with hrothgar is they gave them multiple customization options such as customize tail and customize furr pattern. Which is why Male hroth hair is tied to face

[rain onyx]

Not sure on the height of the female viera

[deft burrow]

I don't know how accurate that is tbh that feels a bit too short

[mighty light]

And whatever the discourse surrounding Dimitrescu somehow ended up being, "tall woman with large boobs" is in fact conventionally attractive

[gaunt star]

Male miqo is what brought me to the game initially. To think people say that was “pandering” is so ridiculous

[pine epoch]

The male is a head shorter

[steep coral]

P much yeah, lions are cool especially when u can be somewhat one

[polar sage]

I'd just like more midlander customization/better emotes for them pplease

Thats all I want thx yoshi p

[deft burrow]

That looks like the male is standing a bit behind as well, I don't think the fviera is standing in the correct spot

[maiden lodge]

Ultimates are a bit of a show, they design them to be as well, that's known

But like.... male viera get the sub dollahdollahs

[deft burrow]

ya

[maiden lodge]

The way I see it, Male Viera is Yoshi P going 'My people want this, I will make this for them, and I enjoy doing it'

And Ultimates are Yoshi P going 'And this is what I want in my game for meeeeeee ahaahahahaha'

[gaunt star]

I’m just glad the timeline has been corrected. Imagine carrying on living with genderlocked races in 2021

[polar sage]

^

[pine epoch]

So I think femhroth will stand tall vs the Male hroth hunchbacks. But I think they will be about equal in height to femroe.

[deft burrow]

Korean MMOs still behind with genderlocked classes

[maiden lodge]

totally believes hardcore content in FFXIV is in there to make Yoshi P happy as a gamer

[steep coral]

cough bdo cough

[minor trellis]

tbh im sure viera being only female was just bc of lore but seeing how so many wanted male viera— it makes sense that they would add it in

[gaunt star]

Imagine unironically playing BDO

[deft burrow]

ikr

[placid sail]

if it had been up to the devs I don't think we would have gotten viera at all, they wanted to add a beastly race which became the hrothgar

[steep coral]

I played it for 5 years, quit around a couple months ago, i suggest staying away now lmao

[polar sage]

Man between FF14 EW and Strive I got alot of going on for hella longg story arcs finishing up this year

[placid sail]

viera were added because the fan demand for them was so great

[deft burrow]

Listen, if the players aren't complaining then who's to stop them

[pine epoch]

Matsuno back in stormblood offered his ideas to the dev team of how to design Male viera. But the Male viera we are getting in EW is different from his ideas. But he loves them enough hes fantasia into a male viera to be his main forever

[maiden lodge]

Well no, lore is not why they dev'd it. Lore is not a straitjacket, it's a narrative used to explain in world dev decisions

[placid sail]

and they decided to strike a balance by adding female viera and male hrothgar

[mighty light]

Lore was like that because it was genderlocked, not the other way--yeah

[gaunt star]

Resources>lore

[maiden lodge]

The reason viera were male only has nothing to do with lore, or even viera.

[minor trellis]

ohhhh ok wait so why did they make viera only for female then?

[gaunt star]

Now we have the resources, so lore can just change

[mighty light]

Resources

[placid sail]

because they could not add four new race/gender options

they could only add two, so they went for female viera and male hrothgar

[pine epoch]

Well dont dont have to change Male viera lore. Just add that some Male viera abandon the forest just like female

[gaunt star]

(Which was the miscalculation of the century)

[minor trellis]

oh ok thats very uh hm weird budget decisions

[maiden lodge]

Hrothgar males were working out fine, but let's be honest, female ronso look bad. And they couldn't figure out how to make female hrothgar work out. So they decided instead to give the fan desired viera to fill the female spot.

Viera were made female only because they didn't have a solution to female hrothgar

[deft burrow]

This was made in March 2020, pretty damn close to what we're getting. https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/385710/?page=1275

[placid sail]

you can tell how much they care for what the fans want by looking at the fact that they added male viera before female hrothgar, having female hrothgar halfway in development would've been a huge boon for the Bozja quests but they decided to forego that to add what the fans wanted the most

[gaunt star]

How many pages????

[steep coral]

Honestly they could say, due to recent times and events, things change, granting a reason for the lore change

[maiden lodge]

As for the lore

[pine epoch]

The devs now have plenty of inspiration from the community on how to design femhroths

[steep coral]

Especially with the "world ending"

[maiden lodge]

'x people generally do y' does not mean 'all x only do y without exceptions, not one single exception ever'

[mighty light]

I mean they'll just do what they did for male'qote

[placid sail]

the world is literally on fire in Endwalker, there's your reason

[maiden lodge]

'Why do male viera adventure?' 'Because he fuckin wants to.' There's your lore.

[gaunt star]

My take is whatever you implement do it right. Gender locked races=wrong

[deft burrow]

"Why are male viera's coming out of the forests?"
"The world is on fire."

[gaunt star]

Because the moons haunted

[placid sail]

not even the Flood of Light could make the male Viis of the First break their reclusion but that's partially because not the entire Raktika Greatwood got caught in the flood, they could still continue living the way they always had

[mighty light]

Male viera have also probably been living in cities around the world for ages too. They're just comparatively rare.

[pine epoch]

Well you dont need to even say the world is on fire. Just say some Male viera get wanderlust like females. And abandon their way of life in the woods

[maiden lodge]

Hell, the lore for female viera is that they rarely ever want to leave their forest, and doing so leads to isolation. That's always been viera lore since FF12, and was adapted into FF14. 'They isolationist' doesn't stop female viera. Why would it stop males?

[pine epoch]

Cause leaving they exile themselves

[deft burrow]

Horny male buns were chasing fvieras

[maiden lodge]

'Male viera can't break type and go adventuring!' Meanwhile Fran, doing exactly that

[mighty light]

The lore doesn't need to change, basically.

[maiden lodge]

Not one bit.

[gaunt star]

“But changing the lore insults all the fans and the creator of ivalice!!!”

[deft burrow]

I mean they said it is changing so we'll see what they come up with

[errant mortar]

matsuno: male viera go brrrrr

[placid sail]

the ivalice of XIV is already not the ivalice of XII

[maiden lodge]

If we can get a female viera in Garlond Ironworks being fabulous, male viera can break the mold too.

[gaunt star]

Like bro the creator of Viera is on board with this get it together

[pine epoch]

Male Viera is the job trainer for reaper. And has been traveling the world for 100 years.

[mighty light]

Oh no

[placid sail]

oho I forgot, viera can become like 200 years old

[gaunt star]

It sucks that reaper only gets the one pet but it looks good as hell

[maiden lodge]

Just like you can have Raen that aren't from Hingashi or the Far East

[pine epoch]

300+

[gaunt star]

Supposedly they’re reaching their limits with adding pets sooo

[pine epoch]

Their not reaching limit persay

But smn is getting a major rework in ew

[maiden lodge]

'Raen are all from Othard that's the lore'
'AHAHAHA Werlyt go brrrrrrrr'
'Nero stop that, you're being silly.'
'Shneroo myeh myeh, you're myeh myeh myeh myeh.'
'Ugh.'

[wary perch]

There is no pet for reaper. It's just an animation

[rain onyx]

More that SMN is reaching a rotation limit

[wary perch]

There's no pet command for the voidsent lol

[rain onyx]

They just keep adding new stuff to the end of it

[placid sail]

SMNs are reaching their limit for how much rotation they're willing to put up with

[pine epoch]

The voidsent is Ogcds

[placid sail]

it's already two minutes long

[deft burrow]

The pet is just an ogcd, it appears to do an attack or two and then gone

[steep coral]

I hope they make smn good in terms of utilizing the summons

[maiden lodge]

There's no room for another Demi, so something's gotta give

[placid sail]

I pray that Dark Knight won't get forgotten

[polar sage]

Wtf I can't believe this male viera would never leave their forest wtf the lore says there shouldnt be all these! 😠

[gaunt star]

Yeet the egis and turn them all into ogcds

[rain onyx]

I bet DWT will directly upgrade into bahamut

[steep coral]

Just give us egis, and 1 demi trance, i wouldnt mind 1 new egi every expac with its trance

[placid sail]

I know that Shadowbringers was our expansion, but please don't forget about us

[soft maple]

Dwt?

[deft burrow]

and you got shafted in it

[rain onyx]

Dreadwyrm trance

[placid sail]

remember... remember that we once lived...

[maiden lodge]

They don't 'forget' jobs. Sometimes they have ideas that might not pan out or require iteration, but they never forget a job.

[soft maple]

Ohhhh

[pine epoch]

Drk is always forgotten. Not even shb was fun. But I kept playing drk and will never abandon it as I have hope drk will one day outclass the other 3 tanks

[deft burrow]

DRK is now outclassed by the other 3 tanks

[woven escarp]

🤔

[pine epoch]

Drk ultimate skill is tbn

[woven escarp]

did they buff war in a way that drk is now the meme tank?

[deft burrow]

DRK does the least dmg now confirmed

[maiden lodge]

Being the bottom of dps meters by an exceedingly petty, negligible amount outside bleeding edge speedruns, is not 'forgotten.' Someone has to be.

[pine epoch]

Tbn is the strongest cooldown in the game

[woven escarp]

I thought war got the deepest shaft in 5.0

[steep coral]

The day they release a hammer tank class and it'll attract the monster hunter players will be the day the 3 tanks will be forgotten

[deft burrow]

True!

[mighty light]

Avatar also possesses you
It seems like there's a DPS window there, which might be what they're referring to with "building hype"

[placid sail]

WAR is allegedly the "worst" tank in ShB

[pine epoch]

Ye, in the animation you like make a magical circle and fuse with the voidsent

[deft burrow]

Well, it used to be

[placid sail]

though I've run Savage with two WARs and I didn't notice any problems

[gaunt star]

I wonder how reaper trance will interact with cmtool

[mighty light]

Then your attack anims turn red instead of that cool green-blue

[maiden lodge]

The tanks were so close to each other that 'worst' is like saying 'Man, this chocolate ice cream is the worst of the ice creams' like fuck man, it's still chocolate ice cream man, it's still good

[deft burrow]

A class being outclassed in 14 just means its not as good as other classes but that difference is close to irrelevant

[pine epoch]

The avatar also appears to show up in your idle pose

[gaunt star]

Imma name him ghostie

[maiden lodge]

For the most part, yeah. There were some issues with dps early on, real ones, but they addressed it eventually

[deft burrow]

SMN

[wary perch]

Nothing, the trance will be just like war go unlimited cleave

[pine epoch]

My name for the avatar is Grim. And your job is Reaper. When you fuse together you become GRIM REAPER

[maiden lodge]

RDM

[deft burrow]

Yeah lol

[steep coral]

SMN

[pine epoch]

Let's band together to call the avatar Grim.

[placid sail]

that whole animation might've just been something custom made for the trailer

[gaunt star]

Nah

[kind lark]

Give the avatar a Jamaican accent

[deft burrow]

I will point out that Reaper is the only class to have an ability that changes the clothing/appearance of the character when used.

[maiden lodge]

'I'm oom' 'How many rezzes did you cast?' 'NONE.' 'What happened?' 'Someone said the word spell speed in a chat today somewhere'

[gaunt star]

That pose was wayyy too iconic to not include in the game

[deft burrow]

Therefore transformation type abilities are likely going to be a thing

[pine epoch]

Every day we get closer to devil trigger

[mighty light]

Might be a battle stance or vpose

[gaunt star]

Looks like the morpher people weren’t that far off lmao

[deft burrow]

The final pose is probably vpose

[sacred owl]

Or maybe warm-up

[woven escarp]

maybe drg gets something like reaper too 🤔

[pine epoch]

Drg becomes hraesvelger

[deft burrow]

I've been asking for DRG to get an Estinien-Nidhogg type transformation

[soft maple]

What do you think monk will get???

[polar sage]

Just wanna say in regards to worst tank the worst tank is gunbreaker because I can't tell paladin to fuck off

[pine epoch]

Mnk shirt gets destroyed when they transform

[sacred owl]

GL5 x3

[ivory wolf]

This is good

[soft maple]

NO

[polar sage]

Though seriously sppeaking I wish gunbreaker and dancer got more weapons

[deft burrow]

They will the more expansions we get

[polar sage]

Shiva gunblade when

[pine epoch]

https://youtu.be/6UmEch1eRXo

[mighty light]

PotD scythe when

[steep coral]

Honestly, I wanted a Ironworks gunblade for gnb cuz tech, maybe some missing Allagan weapons too

[deft burrow]

something like this for drg lvl 90

[polar sage]

I mean we kinda have a tech gunblade with the lost allegan gunblade

[ivory wolf]

Make the monk GCD's 1 second and this will become a reality. A horrifying, gameplay-disrupting reality, but a reality nonetheless.

[gaunt star]

The potd scythe is in the cash shop already

[steep coral]

Yeah...

[polar sage]

But I want the 2.0 primal weapons personally. Like I want an ice gunblade even though it'll prolly look bad

[mighty light]

Meant the aetherpool one

[polar sage]

Alot of gunblades look kinda shite in my opinion currently and they're all fucking whacky

[maiden lodge]

I remember watching Fist of the North Star for the first time, and going 'Wow, this reminds me a lot of that Last Battle game for Genesis.'

[dim sigil]

Same like only one or two really work

[gaunt star]

Did they not get aether/empyrean weapons??

[sacred owl]

I‘m curious in general, how the jobs will change overall - mostly Monk and Summoner

[pine epoch]

Lol

[maiden lodge]

I didn't know! No one did

[steep coral]

There are some with weird designs imo, I personally prefer alot of tech based ones like the scaevan and Ronkan, but ya know...alot of em dont exist from previously

[polar sage]

Right? Like all that works in my opinion is Squalls gunblade, the aether one, the lost allegan one, and the Neo Ishgardian/Crimson one

[mighty light]

Pretty sure they did

[deft burrow]

SMN will get a big rework

[polar sage]

Oh and titania's, titanias gunblade is fucking fantastic looking

[sacred owl]

(Summoner main in my group hopes for Egis being gone in endwalker)

[pine epoch]

The best way for me to get hype about mnk is just turn it into kenshiro

[deft burrow]

Titania will get glowy weapons sometime in EW, that'll be sick

[polar sage]

One of the eden ones looked super sus with me since it had two blades. And they both were turned outwards for some reason...

[clever flume]

dnc/gnb got potd/hoh weapons, ye

[mighty light]

Using the HoH one on my DNC's glam atm

[polar sage]

And like I get that FF14 weapons dont need to look realistic but like edengrace manatrigger looks dumb with how both blades turn away from the weapon

[clever flume]

potd/hoh weapons are pretty easy to add since its taking another weapon's model and removing details probably not exactly what they do but either way the model itself is no unique

[polar sage]

Yeah the POTD/HOH weapons are reskins

I wanna get the TEA Gunblade but, I am a far way off from doing that

[severe brook]

so what are the odds of us getting Ferdiad's scythe for Reaper in some fashion

[deft burrow]

Yes

[mighty light]

Nioh like

[steep coral]

Very very low, your best hope is that it could be a Halloween gear piece

[severe brook]

https://tenor.com/view/bloodborne-whirlwind-from-software-video-game-game-gif-5041407

[mighty light]

Ferdiad is the Reaper job teacher confirmed

[sacred owl]

Imagine a lala with a scythe being the teacher

[mighty light]

That's just all of THM/BLM

[sacred owl]

Who needs help to wield it

[severe brook]

two Lalas, one Scythe

and with Meltigemini as their Void Avatar

[sacred owl]

One transforming into the Avatar Grim

[severe brook]

the Jongleurs should've merged into a Meltigemini-based Sin-Eater that was Forbidden Whimsy instead

[wary perch]

Repost

[maiden lodge]

Seems like an easy add to MGS, they do like to put boss weapons in there for glimglams

[kind lark]

SPEEEEN

[maiden lodge]

Ran'jit's scythe first though

[kind lark]

Whats the name of martial arts Ran'jit did?

[maiden lodge]

None given.

Gakumatz is the name of his summon

[worthy dome]

I play ff14 relatively casually, as in, I re-sub every few months to do the story - and while I literally saw almost nothing from fanfest, reaper looks amazing

[severe brook]

...you know Rymi's Scythe-Golbez image could end up coming true, since it now appears that scythe wielders end up with some secondary entity they can fight alongside or merge with

which would fit with Golbez's Shadow Dragon, if a Golbez-analogue shows up

[gaunt star]

*Altani's scythe golbez image. Thank you very much 😔 😔 😔

[pine epoch]

All we need now in FFXIV is a edgy healer then you can make a full raid team of 2 drks, 2 reapers 2 black mages

and 2 edge healers whenever they get invented

[severe brook]

apologies, i think Rymi was the one who posted it last

[dim sigil]

No me

[kindred rampart]

WAR should just have the Inner Beast become a full body transformation at 90 lol
https://i.imgur.com/HsT1FJV.gif

[severe brook]

before you posted it just now

[maiden lodge]

Isn't that taken up by either WHM or SCH depending on which feels bad this month?

[severe brook]

Moira from Overwatch but as a Healer

[kindred rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/guts-berserk-enraged-gif-15095017
DRKs is easy

[iron scaffold]

give it up

[dim sigil]

Hmph

[kind lark]

huuuh, they could add a draining effect for more damage

The berserk armor hurts guts so it would make sense

[kindred rampart]

SAMs transformation
https://youtu.be/WGH-By_A3YQ

[drowsy belfry]

https://youtu.be/fGTXTzAvthM

[kind lark]

I want some artorias style moves for DRK

[willow skiff]

you got a leap and you summon the abyss for your second aoe hit. more would be fun but you're already the abysswalker

[sage thicket]

Probably the same people that believe the same of short women

[stiff charm]

same, give us moves that look like we are possessed or something. go wild with the inhuman animations, i want drk to be almost scary at times

[kindred rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/robert-downey-jr-tony-stark-iron-man-avengers-marvel-gif-7371460
MCH

[carmine basin]

Please

SE made the marvel game too THEY CAN DO IT

[rough kestrel]

They should make that the MCH LB3, you get in the robot and blast

'GET IN THE FUCKING ROBOT, WOL'

[kind lark]

Honestly, them getting hurt during a burst window would becool

Like toggle it off and on style maybe

[stiff charm]

like one handing the greatsword and slamming it down a ton, maybe as a single button combo with an opener, like 3 or so slams and then a finisher during burst

basically drk burst is just rage of halone animation split into 5 hits lol

[maiden lodge]

I'm not crying you're crying

[odd yoke]

[rough kestrel]

“The rains have ceased, and we have been graced with another beautiful day. Thankfully you are here to see it.”

[maiden lodge]

Hang on

[kind lark]

The animations could have the char use one as well

[drowsy belfry]

Anybody still got the viera height comparisment?

[maiden lodge]

Remember back when the community just decided to do a random 'thank you soken' thing last year?

[kindred rampart]

NIN shouldn't get a burst transformation but a doggo partner like Interceptor

[somber storm]

Nah, rabbit

[drowsy belfry]

Ninja Dog let's GO

[stiff charm]

ninja gets on the hellfrog and gets a new moveset

[tidal mauve]

smn level 90

[somber storm]

https://tenor.com/view/yang-gang-fitness-kakashi-dogs-running-ninja-gif-18670813

[gaunt star]

DRG should get covered in dragon urine as a transformation that boosts their DPS by 40%

[gaunt star]

NIN dog

[stiff charm]

potd?

[somber storm]

Nah, SAM dog

We get our own Dagoro

[stiff charm]

getting a dog on sam would be really cool though, metal gear rising style buddy

removing pets on jobs but giving every job a "pet"

[gaunt star]

Inb4 Scummoner rework will be like Reapers avatar kek

[torpid yoke]

Im all for giving ninja another pet. They have frog and shadow so why not doggo

[dim sigil]

Get sam a cat

[torpid yoke]

aight theres too many yshtola now

fixed

[dim sigil]

Nonsense

More cat

[gaunt star]

He switched to freaking Zenos

[cyan pecan]

Are we making Ninja the next Monster Hunter Rise?

[kindred rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/yu-gi-oh-dark-magician-dark-magician-girl-anime-appear-gif-17959811
BLM

[cyan pecan]

Ninja gets a cat, dog, hawk, rabbit and frog :D

[warm bone]

all it needs now is a fox

[weary rampart]

why has fanfest discussion turned into animal crossing

[polar sage]

Hey look

It's the new class, what can you tell us about it

[dim sigil]

Its gonna use gcds and ogcds

[polar sage]

Wild

[tidal mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/flavortown-monkey-review-grauf-monke-monki-gif-21419049 awoop

[turbid aspen]

THIS BARREN WASTED LAND

[kindred rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/tunak-tunak-tun-earthquake-ground-elemental-gif-16505357
DNC summons backup dancers

They're fighting Titan in the gif btw

[dim sigil]

Wrong

[somber storm]

Tfw you wish Soken shows up for Hildibrand

[heady shadow]

I'll def never look at 5.3 the same again thats for sure

[midnight panther]

https://mobile.twitter.com/king_jeffo/status/1393915337402241027

King Jeffo 👑 (@king_jeffo)

On wings of hope, you rise up through the night
Higher, oh, higher
Carrying a song
Raise up everything in our hearts
that its chorus might ring for all! #WelcomeBackSoken https://t.co/jtYPPQMl6z

Twitter · May 16, 2021, 1:04 PM

[cosmic herald]

does that mean moonfishing is a thing now

[warm bone]

voidfishing

[carmine basin]

Space fish

I'm just curious what kind of things botanist will gather on the moon

[drowsy belfry]

You see that giant hole in Lunar artwork? You fish Zodiark outta there

[warm bone]

imagine if you have to make a full party to fish on the moon

[drowsy belfry]

Oh my god, Expert Fishing

[warm bone]

everything you fish up has to be smacked by 7 other people

[drowsy belfry]

Hahaha that sounds awesome

[carmine basin]

You know, your retainers is gonna bring something from the moon, or gather stuff from there

[somber storm]

Moon ore

[unreal wadi]

are we mining moon ore

[carmine basin]

how are they gonna get to the moon

[unreal wadi]

wait, what weapons can we craft with moon rock

[carmine basin]

Actually they already gathered stuff from the First

[drowsy belfry]

We're whalers on the moon

[somber storm]

Rowena setting up vendors on the moon

[unreal gale]

"If you mine some of these moon ores, we'll give you grey scrips in return!"

[somber storm]

Rowena plopping Gerolt on the moon just to make our relics

[kindred rampart]

Gerolt: No more! There is no way I'm going to the mo-
Rowena: Ever had moonshine. . .from the moon?!
Gerolt: I'll pack my things. . .

[brazen stag]

oh, cant post pics

wait nvm. just cause slowmode.

someone made this and I just cant.

[odd yoke]

[somber storm]

Gerolt: "And just as I was about to threaten you with marriage you damn woman"

[deft burrow]

I wonder who will be the first lunar whale on the moon

[sage thicket]

I'm getting to the rock concert now, it's so weird not having the crowd there. But I love how dedicated they are to still acting to the crowd

[simple axle]

will there be raid on 6.0 launch

[sage thicket]

raids normally don't come until .x patches. but idk if they announced anything special for 6.0

[urban hedge]

Likely 6.05

[crystal arrow]

not on launch no but a few weeks after, probs some time in december-early jan

[maiden lodge]

how dare you to my heart

[lament breach]

Gimmie those Christmas Raids

[brazen stag]

IM SORRY

[sage thicket]

Truely, my little Sapling, you aught to know by now you will call me whenever you need my assistance.

[brazen stag]

well since they gave us the Lunar Whale as a mount and not as a FF4 callback to get to the moon...probably the fancy dorito looking ship thing in the Endwalker art.

[crystal arrow]

It's one of those ragnarok class allagan ships, probably

[sage thicket]

most likely. Nero and Cid's latest reclaimation -Allagan space stick

[maiden lodge]

Current speculation: Mare Lamentorum's tower is from Team Hydaelyn.

[sage thicket]

Were you getting Dissidia Crysta vs Zod vibes too?

Cuz I sure was

[maiden lodge]

Well it's got amaurotine architecture but the vibe is more blue whichis more a hydaelyn color, though the purple bit also shouts 'here there be a zodiark'

[sage thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/cloud-tower-tower-purple-rotate-gif-16759081

[crystal arrow]

I think that's where venat is living, keeping an eye on zodiark

[maiden lodge]

Like that looks a bit to 'bright' for the usual stuff we'd expect, compared to Amaurot in the Tempest

[brazen stag]

I've always felt and believed that Zodiark isnt necessarily "evil" just as much as hydaelyn isnt necessarily "good". Namely because Zodiark never really outright demanded sacrifice and moreso kinda put out there that sacrifice is what it was gonna take do what they wanted done. Kind of along with the whole.. Shadowbringers theme, and what they talked about with how light isnt always good and darkness isnt always bad.

[crystal arrow]

we know that zodiark demanded sacrifice, sooo

[echo orbit]

to do X

[brazen stag]

did he really demand it, though? I feel like it was a "to do x, I need y."

I feel like they made the choice to do Y for X.

I dont recall it every being said they were forced to do Y to get X.

[maiden lodge]

They were tempered.

[sage thicket]

Materia* not Crysta, mb

[brazen stag]

Yes I know

[maiden lodge]

That implies their ideas are tampered with.

[sage thicket]

Emet actually outright said He and the others were tempered just like any other primal servant. So it seems like the acsians at least just had more will to do as they please, but ultimately still couldn't completely disobey. Or at least that's how I took it

[maiden lodge]

'We're tempered and our thoughts are not completely our own'
'hey we're sacrificing a lot of life to this primal we summoned that's tempered us'
'Hey, the story has implied, repeatedly, that tempered individuals spiral into a descent of constantly feeding the primal sacrifices'
none of this could be related

[brazen stag]

I didn't say it was unrelated

[maiden lodge]

It just seems a weird take that they were doing and planning mass sacrifices while tempered and Zodiark somehow not tampering with their thought processes and reason is all.

[brazen stag]

Just felt like they had a lot more choice in what they were doing. They needed their planet to be hospitable again (after already summoning zodiark), he needed sacrificed to do it, so they did it.

[echo orbit]

not like any of their goals for zodiark was iffy, except maybe the bring back their people

[maiden lodge]

Or... they fixed the laws of nature, and their thoughts and faith were fucked with, and they were looking for excuses to sacrifice people to feed that 'must sacrifice to the dark god' impulse forced into their minds; that would explain that whole 'let's just destroy a whole bunch of worlds to bring back long dead people we know are long dead and can't come back'

[echo orbit]

1: stop the sound
2: save the world
3: bring back people sacrificed in 1 and 2

and only 3 is bad, because it involved sacrificing others and not them

[viscid monolith]

It involved involuntary sacrifices

[maiden lodge]

Why are 1 and 2 not the same thing, exactly? Seems sus.

[ruby hull]

Asked before, still not sure I get the point of that interview statement: Is the Reaper/Avatar merge thing we saw on the trailer not confirmed for release?

[echo orbit]

'cause 1 was just stopping the destruction, while 2 was restoring the damage

[viscid monolith]

1 was stop the Final Days. 2 was make the planet habitable again.

[maiden lodge]

Why didn't saving the world not save the world? Why didn't reinstating the laws of nature not... fix... nature? See how it starts to become sus if you justsquint at it the tiiiiiniest bit and not take Tempered Ascians to be completely 100% rational?

[echo orbit]

same reason why stopping the flood didn't restore the first

same reason why putting out the fire on a burning house doesn't, y'know, undo the burnt house

[maiden lodge]

What I'm asking is very simple. Rather than look at it with the lens that the omnicidal Ascians are strictly, 100%, in charge of their faculties....

...treat tempered individuals like the story asks you to treat tempered individuals

[sage thicket]

I am curious exactly how much is actually restored vs Zodiark just wanting to rejoin himself to try and do what he can...as he was programed

[echo orbit]

it ain't exactly weird that stopping the sound doesn't undo the damage to the world

in fact it woulda been highly convenient if that were the case, since the damage to the world is separate from the actual sound

[maiden lodge]

You don't look at the chieftain of the kobolds and go 'yeah, this guy was rational sacrificing his kobolds over and over and over again even in self defense' you go 'fuck, this is a tragedy, this mind controlled guy was compelled to sacrifice his compatriots in acts of utter futility.'

Lakshmi's summoning is a tragedy.

[echo orbit]

the damage to the world was 'cause by the stuff summoned by the sound, so even if you stopped the sound the world's still damaged

[maiden lodge]

Summonings are tragedies. Why is Zodiark any different?

[echo orbit]

like shit the entire world was like on fire and stuff in the dungeon

[maiden lodge]

'Cause he saved the world' except we know even THAT was futile now.

[maiden lodge]

Yes, it was an act of desperation. Same with every other primal summoning. How is this different?

[echo orbit]

i'm just saying that 1 and 2 being separate ain't sus, but pretty logical

[sage thicket]

I mean, iirc they did sacrifice like 50% of the world population to make Zodiark...

[maiden lodge]

And that wasn't enough.

That's not sus?

[sage thicket]

and then Hyd shattered him

[echo orbit]

no, read all the examples i gave above

[maiden lodge]

That's not repeating the refrain that summoning primals out of desperation never ends well?

[sage thicket]

🤔 I wonder how many were given to Hyde

[echo orbit]

1 and 2 leading 3 might be sus, but 1 and 2 being separate ain't

stopping the thing destroying the world can easily be logically separate from restoring the damage to the world caused by the thing

[maiden lodge]

Sure it is. You summon Zodiark to do a task--save the world. And suddenly, you're all tempered (painfully in a couple cases), and now this being you're all tempered by suddenly needs more?

That's absolutely sus.

[deft burrow]

those that summoned hydaelyn are really at fault

[echo orbit]

they summoned zodiark to stop the final days, it did that

[maiden lodge]

Whenever any tempered at any time needs 'a second sacrifice' it's sus, based on that alone. Their reasoning is tampered with. They are no longer in control.

[deft burrow]

Yeah Zodiark stopped the final days

[echo orbit]

that stopping the final days doesn't undo the damage is not sus

in fact, given that they were out of their minds not able to even figure out what's happening, stopping the final days is a monumental act by itself

easily on par with restoring the world

and depending on what's causing it, might even succeed it

[maiden lodge]

'So, I need 50% of your bank account to pay for the fees needed to free this Nigerian prince from captivity, and then we will share his wealth out of his generosity.'
'Okay, I did that, now can we share the winfall?'
'Okay about that, we've got him out of jail but now there's bank fees so that we can free his money so he can share his wealth and generosity.'
'Seems legit.'

[sage thicket]

true, they're at fault for creating the Shards. But Hyde did as she was created aswell: vibecheck Zod when/if he does something he shouldn't

[maiden lodge]

Why wouldn't we question that second round of sacrifice? Because a tempered guy said so really sincerely? Because he made a really cool stage show?

[echo orbit]

"so i need you to pay taxes to to put out this fire"
"ok"
"ok fire's out, but your house is still burnt, pay this fee to build a new house"
"SUSS"

:rolleyes:

[maiden lodge]

That's not the situation.

[echo orbit]

that's the situation

[deft burrow]

Well they wouldn't question it because that summon and initial sacrifice saved the entire world. @maiden lodge

[maiden lodge]

And were tempered.

[wind bough]

That’s not the situation. The ultimate plan was to let new life grow, then sacrifice all that new life to bring back the previous sacrifices.

[maiden lodge]

According to a guy who has been tempered for how long and has had his tempered brain rationalize what he's done?

Emet-selch is not a reliable narrator for rational actions regarding mass sacrifice needed to save a world because he was tempered for most of it.

[deft burrow]

But that tempering was beneficial in the end because of Zodiark's actions, the mere saving the world and ending the final days was grounds for believing in it

[wind bough]

Given it’s a pretty evil plan I have no reason to doubt its truth

Though it’s uncertain whether it would have actually worked, and the sacrifices would truly have been brought back

[echo orbit]

this is exactly their plan, BEFORE they were tempered:

as you can see, their first wish was to restore the fundamental laws and stop the oblivion

[maiden lodge]

'According to someone who was tempered, this was their plan before they were tempered'

[echo orbit]

nope, hyth was not involved

[wind bough]

Hythlodaeus is a creation of tempered Emet

[maiden lodge]

Hyth is not the one telling that story

[echo orbit]

hyth is

[maiden lodge]

Tempered Emet's creations are.

[echo orbit]

and in any case, it's more than what you have

[sage thicket]

Interesting thought though- What new life? Emet always saw us as shattered parts of our old whole. And I somehow doubt they somehow made something from nothing after the sundering. So wouldn't they just be sacrificing the other 50% to reconstitute the original 50%?

[echo orbit]

you have to suppose all sorts of things, but we know from venat too that this 3 step process was separate

[deft burrow]

Again, there isn't really a reason to doubt that since we don't know the extent of the power of Zodiark

[echo orbit]

and venat is not a creation of emet

[maiden lodge]

What I have is doubt that a tempered anyone at any time is a reliable narrator regarding any sort of reason or rationale.

Which, the story lays out for you. Why is Tempered Emet more reliable in his mentality than Tempered Louisoix or Tempered Kobold Cheiftain?

The simple answer is: "He's not because he's tempered"

[deft burrow]

Emet was rational, more so than other Ascians were. This is proven to us by his willingness to stand by and do nothing should we have been able to control the warden's light.

[echo orbit]

Venat's story supports the 3 step process

[maiden lodge]

No, he already said that in that cases he would have tried to entreat us to work with him on Rejoinings, just in a non-destructive way if possible. His plan wasn't to stand by and 'let it happen.'

He was trying to recruit us.

[echo orbit]

you're still ignoring venat

[maiden lodge]

I'm not ignoring the one who summoned Hydaelyn because The Zodiark Plan Failed.

[sage thicket]

so btw. Where does venat show up?

[deft burrow]

I mean even in a non-destructive way is separate from other Ascians. It proves that he isn't a mindless drone and is open to other possibilities.

[echo orbit]

No, you say hyth's recount of the 3 step is flawed because he's tempered creation, venat supports his account and she's not tempered

[brazen stag]

Akadaemia Anyder iirc

[maiden lodge]

But his tempering doesn't require him to destroy shards and kill people, just to do the rejoining so he can get that final sacrifice of everyone in

[forest magnet]

He would've killed us anyway since we would've said no to joining him.

[brazen stag]

wait no not that one

[maiden lodge]

Venat also says it wasn't working.

[deft burrow]

Well no, if there would have been a non-destructive way to do the rejoining, there would be no reason for us to be against that. However the sacrifices afterwards would be another story.

[brazen stag]

Anamnesis Anyder** cutscenes iirc

[echo orbit]

duh, she disagreed it hold, but that's beside the point of it still supporting the 3 steps

which means, again, 1 and 2 being separate is entirely logical

[maiden lodge]

Venat disagrees with that account. Emet's account was 'this was successful and Venat was opposed to the sacrifices necessary.' Venat's account was 'This didn't work, it just slowed shit down, and we need to do more because Zodiark did not do the job.'

[sage thicket]

in fact, it would work directly against it. If the remaining 50% were meant to be used to remake the sacrificed lot

[maiden lodge]

Venat agrees the second sacrifice happened. They disagree that any of it mattered or fixed anything.

[deft burrow]

But how do we know they are telling the truth though?

[echo orbit]

and yet, 1 and 2 being separate still ain't sus

fire house situation applies

[deft burrow]

Because they went and summoned Hydaelyn and made everything worse

[forest magnet]

Well it did matter and did fix it, but not permenantly

[maiden lodge]

We do not know if they are lying or not. But we do know they are untempered. That's not the creation of tempered mind attempting to recruit someone into the fold; that's a recording of past events.

[echo orbit]

without zodiark the world would have been destroyed, that much is agreed by both factions

[maiden lodge]

And disagreed on by a third.

[forest magnet]

Why would they be lying amongst themselves?

[sage thicket]

wait, the one that made the Guardian at the end?

[maiden lodge]

No

You're thinking Akademia. Anamnesis is where the recordings of Hydaelyn's summoners were kept.

[echo orbit]

i don't care that they disagreed on the third, and in fact the third sacrifice is probably the best indication that zodiark may have messed with their minds, but not the 1st and 2nd

[signal solar]

they dont lie, they only tell part of the truth

[brazen stag]

what? someone asked where venat showed up and I said Anamnesis iirc

[maiden lodge]

They were tampered with before the second.

[deft burrow]

Those that summoned Hydaelyn straight up cost them sacrifices just like Zodiark would have after fixing the final days. Its just a very strange thing to want to sacrifice anyway, just for a different primal.

[echo orbit]

the need for the second was a result of a wish made before they were tempered

[deft burrow]

Both cases would result in more sacrifices.

[maiden lodge]

according to a tempered person.

[echo orbit]

and hyth mentioned specifically their wish, and venat the untempered backed up that wish

again you keep on ignoring venat for that part

[maiden lodge]

I am not. Venat does not make any statement as to the state of mind of any of the Convocation, so I don't know why you are using that to support your point. She only corroborates that two sacrifices happened--which isn't in doubt.

[echo orbit]

no, venat simply confirms the first wish

[sage thicket]

oh, ok. I honestly still don't recall an ascian in the dungeon anywhere, I'll have to go run later

[echo orbit]

which you say is sus because hyth, but venat ain't sus for that

[maiden lodge]

Venat doesn't make any comment on their state of mind for either sacrifice. She simply states it was futile and did not solve the problem.

[maiden lodge]

Cutscene at the end--it's the white clad Ancients talking

[brazen stag]

cutscenes. The recordings

[echo orbit]

they couldn't have been tempered for the first wish because zodiark hadn't been summoned

if venat confirms the first wish, then hyth's account of the first wish is legit

[maiden lodge]

Correct. But we don't have an untempered account of that first wish.

[echo orbit]

venat

[maiden lodge]

awaiian is dumb about ninjas: Venat doesn't make any comment on their state of mind for either sacrifice. She simply states it was futile and did not solve the problem.

[sage thicket]

I mean, Hyth also wasn't tempered at the time

[maiden lodge]

And he died 12,000 years ago and therefore has nothing to say on the matter.

[echo orbit]

venat doesn't need to know their state of mind, she only needs to confirm the first wish

[maiden lodge]

Given the question is on their state of mind at that first wish, her inability to corroborate that state of mind and the contents of that wish means that yes, she cannot comment on it and does not corroborate your interpretation of events.

[echo orbit]

they cannot be tempered before the first wish, so their state of mind before that is not in doubt

[maiden lodge]

Venat does not confirm anything about what the summoners were thinking. She is acting after the fact. Reminder: The summoners were tempered by then.

[echo orbit]

by your thinking that zodiark messed with them

[maiden lodge]

We don't know their pretempered state of mind.

[echo orbit]

and it doesn't matter

[maiden lodge]

It kinda does, yeah

[echo orbit]

the plan for the first wish was made before they were tempered, so it was uninfluenced by zodiark tempering

[maiden lodge]

But we don't know what that plan is.

[echo orbit]

hyth gave it, venat confirmed it, that's it

[maiden lodge]

We can't know. Because the only people who could tell us... were tempered.

[echo orbit]

and i'm done with that train

[sage thicket]

basing my thought on how Creation Magic works, I'd like to think that Emet, even tempered, would have to have made everyone exactly as they were or else drastic unknowns would occur

[maiden lodge]

We never met Hythlodaeus, and Venat does not tell anything about their state of mind. You do understand that the Hythlodaeus in Amaurot is not actually the real guy right?

[sage thicket]

since making a lion while seeing a bird made a chimera

[maiden lodge]

Like you know that we never met the actual Hythlodaeus, ever, in any of the story?

[deft burrow]

Its meant to be a representation of the actual Hythlodaeus

[maiden lodge]

The 'Hythlodaeus' we meet even tells us he's a fake.

[forest magnet]

ship of theseus and everything

[maiden lodge]

His self-awareness is an accident.

[deft burrow]

Yes but that doesn't necessarily discredit things that he says. You're just assuming that because he is created by Emet that anything he says is just Emet's thoughts.

[maiden lodge]

That Hythlodaeus wasn't there--that Hythlodaeus is literally days old

[orchid plinth]

Is there an outside-of-lore alliance raid happening like nier in 6.0?

[deft burrow]

Which we have no way of knowing whether or not that is true

[maiden lodge]

Cause it can't be anyone elses.

[sage thicket]

nier raids aren't outside of lore

[maiden lodge]

Source: Hythlodaeus

[echo orbit]

it doesn't even matter that hyth's emet's creation because venat isn't, and venat already confirms what zodiark did for the first two wishes

[orchid plinth]

@sage thicket but isn't nier not final fantasy?

[turbid aspen]

alliance raid is about the twelve

[maiden lodge]

You can't believe Hythlodaeus 100% about summoning Zodiark and take him at face value and then ignore Hythlodaeus and what he says about himself.

[deft burrow]

Because Hythlodaeus knows he is a fake wouldn't that mean that his thoughts are his own? @maiden lodge

[echo orbit]

dis is just ignoring that screaming about state of mind for some odd reason, when it doesn't matter their state of mind, just the actual wishes

[sage thicket]

the raids were confirmed canon for both universes

[deft burrow]

Like... its kind of contradictory.

[orchid plinth]

Dang

[maiden lodge]

The fact he tells us he has to follow his role or else he self destructs tells us that everything he says is planned by his creator.

[deft burrow]

So Emet wants us to know that its a fake?

[maiden lodge]

Hythlodaeus: "I have a script and I must follow it."

People: "Why do you assume Hythlodaeus is doing what Emet says?"

[echo orbit]

that does not follow, what if the script was: "Exactly what an untempered Hyth would say?"

[sage thicket]

Ye, in fact, due to the various events, it's all but proven every optional raid is canon

[echo orbit]

your logic is unsound

[maiden lodge]

Emet isn't being coy abotu Amaurot being a creation designed to teach us.

[deft burrow]

Yeah, you're making a lot of assumptions on this thing and its going very far into territory that we don't know about. @maiden lodge

[echo orbit]

that's his MO mate

[maiden lodge]

I'm not assuming Hythlodaeus is telling us this. He says it.

[echo orbit]

say can zodiark revive the dead?

[brazen stag]

Honestly I feel like there's just way too much we dont know

[deft burrow]

Except him saying that he must follow a script is irrelevant since we don't know what that script is.

[echo orbit]

can any primals?

[sage thicket]

considering Emet could, I'd argue yes

[echo orbit]

peace

[rough kestrel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V9zxXN1rx0
Official Reaper theme

[brazen stag]

hol' up. When did Emet-Selch ever revive someone who was dead. If he had the power to do that then why would they have bothered with zodiark. lmao

[maiden lodge]

'Hi, I realized I'm a shade, because Emet-selch fondly remembered that the person I am based on would notice that. Cool. But if I think too hard about it, I'll self-destruct, so I have to stick to my role and play the part I was meant to play.'
Tells a story of amaurot complete with shades acting the part in the background.

You can't figure out what the script is?

[sage thicket]

However, as an additonal thought: could a primal revive people untempered?

[chilly bluff]

Lakshmi tried and acknowledged that she failed.

[sage thicket]

Shtola

[clever flume]

she wasn't dead

[echo orbit]

she wasn't dead

[brazen stag]

she was NOT dead

[clever flume]

she used flow, again. which isn't the same thing

[maiden lodge]

Everything Hythlodaeus exposits after he tells you he has to stick to his script is the script he has to stick to.

[heady shadow]

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[deft burrow]

A script that includes the fact that he must tell you its a script is one shitty script.

[maiden lodge]

People overglorify Hythlodaeus as this maverick untempered programming-breaking shade. But he tells you he can't do that.

If you're willing to believe Hythlodaeus about his story 100%, you can't disbelieve him when he tells you he's playing a part and a role in telling you that story.

[orchid plinth]

I wish xenogears will be an alliance raid lol

[somber storm]

Hythlodeus: "What is line?"
Emet: "It's bullshit I did not hit her I did not! Oh hi Mark"

[maiden lodge]

Hey mahk hows yo sex life

And I'm not saying Hythlodaeus can't have his own thoughts and come to his own conclusions. I'm saying that doesn't matter because that guy is less than a week old and certainly was not there for the final days so the only experiences to draw from here are Emet's anyways

So if you argue that Hythlodaeus is drawing from stray thoughts of Emets and his exposition is not by Emet's design that still means he's drawing only from Emet's thoughts

[sage thicket]

She was returned to the aetherial sea. iirc his exact words was that it was easy since she just did it. but wait a year or so and he'd have difficulty. but given enough time anyone could be returned after their aether was gathered.

Which constituted how all our original ascian selves could come back. We make up the aetherial soup.

[echo orbit]

it's weird because what's the diff between that and being dead

[sage flame]

Question, this previous Shadowbringer expansion trailer part has this yet to be reveal for 6.0?

[echo orbit]

does your aether soul dissipate upon death?

[sage thicket]

'dead' wasn't a thing for ascians

[deft burrow]

?

[maiden lodge]

Well her body kept functioning and she had thoughts and shit and her soul was still in her body, so that's like... a big difference right there.

[tight marlin]

that forest is just the raktika forest burning and yshtola saving them

its what the scions were doing before WoL showed up

[sage flame]

Oh ok sorry i thought it was Gridania

[tropic frigate]

this is events that happened before we were there

[deft burrow]

Yeah it explains why Y'shtola is revered by the dark worshipers

[echo orbit]

no i mean specifically how does being dead diff from being in the sea?

[maiden lodge]

That's Fort Gohn, you see the wreck of it when you get into Rak'tika. The attack was from those jerkasses to the north.

[echo orbit]

it's obviously different, but what the diff?

[tight marlin]

it doesnt explain why yshtola decided to look like a black witch goth dommy mommy tho

[deft burrow]

lol

[brazen stag]

dommy mommy lol

[maiden lodge]

The body is a big one.

[echo orbit]

body ain't shit, mah bois ascian can agree

[clever flume]

you realize that when you use teleport, you're going into the aetherial sea, yes?

[maiden lodge]

They also have the echo and the knowledge of how to use it to protect them.

[echo orbit]

body still ain't shit

can't be body

[clever flume]

but the difference between flow and teleport is that one has a lengthy incantation tied to it that has a clear destination. flow is the quick, but not as specific version of it

[maiden lodge]

no... it's kinda a big deal actually.

[sage thicket]

yes. as our sundered selves understand it, when you traditionally died your soul/aether either got trapped (see mnk story, and etc.) or you went to the Sea. Once that occured, no known magic could bring you back as yourself wholly.

What we learned was that once at the sea your aether frayed into the ambient aether to be recycled elsewhere.

[echo orbit]

if you can be not dead without body, body ain't shit

[maiden lodge]

Teleport takes you to a specific destination, where you reconstitute.
Flow forgets to do that, so your bodily stranded in the aetherial sea, which will, given enough time, kill you.

[echo orbit]

yeah that's what i half remembered about what happens when you die

now, how does that track with sundered ascian souls?

[clever flume]

also why destroying an aetheryte while people are mid teleportation is effective tool of fucking the otherside over

you strand people in the sea, basically condemning them to death

[echo orbit]

actually how does that track with souls after in general

[maiden lodge]

No, that's not true, there's a logical fallacy here.

To survive being in the aetherial sea corporeally requires getting out in time--Teleport and Return do this, as does Ascian teleportation.

Dying means it's just your soul in there, so you need some extra protection or you're never getting out. The only known means of doing this is the Echo, as far as I am aware.

Without your body, your corporeal aether, and without the echo, you can't get out.

Nothing can get you out.

[echo orbit]

no need for body, just ascian stuff

[sage thicket]

Well, since everyone more or less is the sea and thus we're essentially all magick goop, it is implied that every Ascian has specific dna-like markers for which aether is theirs and which isn't. Which would lend to why returning the memory/soul/aether to any given person reminds them of the past (see Gaia and the other 'sundered)

[echo orbit]

body ain't shit

[maiden lodge]

Yes, that'd be using a protection for your soul.

[echo orbit]

yeah, and that don't need no body, it ain't shit

[maiden lodge]

You need some sort of special magic or power or corporeal aether.

[sage flame]

Mmhhh... we were in aetherial sea after we created our character and there was echo, right?

[sage thicket]

yep

[maiden lodge]

But... you say that... but most people with the Echo can't even do that.

[echo orbit]

was it any person? because i thought it was specifically certain people that needed the memory given to, which implies they already had the specific soul

[maiden lodge]

We only know of two cases that have, without being Ascian. Both are still Ascian-adjacent though--Wirr and Zenos. Everyone else with the Echo? Not good enough.

[sage thicket]

Well, as ShB proved, everyone has the Echo. The matter is if you awoken to it or not

[heady shadow]

i think the intent mostly was that was just a dream/getting echo activated.

[echo orbit]

like you can't just go to tataru and give her gaia's memory to get gaia back

[heady shadow]

otherwise its

[maiden lodge]

Actually, in theory you could.

[heady shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/hey-you-youre-finally-awake-skyrim-intro-gaming-playthrough-gif-17212225

[maiden lodge]

it just might not take.

Case in point: Arya is not Lilith, doesn't have any of Lilith's soul. But there's enough aetheric similarity there that Lilith could, in fact, implant her mnemonic aether into Arya and Arya would become Lilith in that manner.

[forest magnet]

i like ur funny words, magic man

[maiden lodge]

Mnemonic aether can also be altered, changing the identity of the individual as shown with Save the Queen

[brazen stag]

I feel like the argument of "your body aint shit" is kinda..yknow..wrong? Considering we had a whole post-ShB line about getting everyone back to their bodies cause their souls had been seperated too long. What am I missing here

[maiden lodge]

And Emet-selch himself states they can 'raise' Ascians that are not soul-echoes, they just prefer not to.

[echo orbit]

it's possession, which is separate from the raising of the sundered

else you can just point to thancred and lahabrea if you want

[maiden lodge]

True, but Emet-selch, on the topic, says they don't need a soul-reincarnation

[sage thicket]

This is wholly conjecture on my part, but my guess is that you have to have someone that is already mostly a particular person. But that is mostly to expidite the procress, since you'd also need to slice out anything that wasn't them. Like how puting Shtola's memories into Alphy wouldn't safely put him as his true self.

[echo orbit]

well crystal exarch and graha also has to be soul experience too

[sage thicket]

For example, ourself and Ard are enough of Azem that when we combined he straight up saw Azem

[echo orbit]

since even though they're technically the same person it was still a crapshoot whether they'll merge successfully

[twin vigil]

man how does lahabreha come back he got iced by thordan

[echo orbit]

who knows what happens within that eye

[sage thicket]

Well, this one may very well be a sundered Laha

[echo orbit]

some remnant coulda survived in there

[twin vigil]

i thought that wasnt how sundered ascians worked

i thought laha and his council friends are all whole souls

[brazen stag]

but lahabrea was unsundered.

[sage thicket]

nah, sundered ascians are just us with more of themselves

[maiden lodge]

Lahabrea might not be coming back.

[twin vigil]

and the sundered ascians are randoms they picked up and forced into life

[maiden lodge]

Less, ironically.

[twin vigil]

everyone else is thousands of shards of souls

[echo orbit]

what's lahabrea's name?

[sage thicket]

was it less? hm.

[twin vigil]

but laha and emet and elidibus are whole

[sage thicket]

were* whole

[maiden lodge]

The other thing about the 'sundered' ascians is in their actual title: 'Paragons of the Shards'

[twin vigil]

and laha got fucking slapped and iced by some shitty old pope

[echo orbit]

and did elidibus ever gave us his name?

[maiden lodge]

As contrasted with 'Paragons of the Source'--those number only 3.

[twin vigil]

so how does he reforge himself

[maiden lodge]

Given he has yet to ever do that I don't know.

[brazen stag]

where did you get the thousands from..

people's souls were split into 14

[maiden lodge]

The sundered Ascians are native to the shards explained by Nabriales, who tells us the other Convocation members are not native to our world, which means they are not rejoined at all.

[neat salmon]

missed the latter of the fanfest. Did they address anything about pandemonium, new ulti, or job changes?

[twin vigil]

job changes will prlly be much later

like summer late

[maiden lodge]

It exists, they're not going to reiterate that it's delayed, and it's wayyyyyy too early for that.

[forest magnet]

Tokyo Game Show most likely.

[echo orbit]

media tour job actions videos

[neat salmon]

pain

[twin vigil]

new raid will prolly be about laha somehow coming back since thats his ascian signature in the picture they showed off

[forest magnet]

Timing seems about right for a Live Letter

[twin vigil]

im just not sure how he survives soul explosion

[brazen stag]

nope nope and nope

[prisma vine]

they showed his pic for the 5.4 patch too tho yall

[maiden lodge]

Also there's the possibility Emet is wrong about something regarding Ascians.

Emet claims only the Paragons of the Source can raise Ascians to the Convocation.

[sage thicket]

inherently the melees will get resepec-ed for the inclusion of REP

[twin vigil]

i hope its not a explanation like oh yeah he had most of his soul sundered by thordan but a small piece got away and rested on the moon

[maiden lodge]

Mitron almost succeeded in Raising Gaia to Lohgrif.

[twin vigil]

i would cry if thats how they explain it

[maiden lodge]

IF Lahabrea comes back, here's a real explaination

[echo orbit]

if he starts to break out of the eye that'd be legit

[twin vigil]

man im gonna miss the ascian story i hope the new story 6.x onwards doesnt devolve into city states fighting each other over the corpse of the garlemald empire

[sage thicket]

Well, I see it two ways: He either was given a hefty blow and it took him an ass long time to reconstitute (because all the body hoping) or he was shattered rather than killed. And then someone like Fandaniel ascended what remained.

[maiden lodge]

He doesn't. What happens is we encounter one of his creations/labs going nutters. We decide we need help on it--so we use the memories of himself that we have in crystal form to assist us--those memories are from before Laha went coocoo for cocoapuffs.

[neat salmon]

also you guys think REP is gonna have a magic burst phase inb4 rip rdm

[echo orbit]

maybe he cloned himself

left a shard (or several)

[maiden lodge]

literally no RDM is at all concerned about RPR taking over anything

[twin vigil]

so i think the explanation is prlly gonna be

[brazen stag]

considering reaper is a melee job I dont see why any caster would worry

[sage thicket]

I think it should might. But likely in the form of something like Continuation in GNB

[maiden lodge]

Also 'melee has a magic burst phase' is already NIN so whatevs

[sage thicket]

It is the other Maiming class afterall

[neat salmon]

yeah thats why NIN sucks ass with rdm lol

[twin vigil]

when he combined with the other ascian he used her at the last second to take the majority of the hit and then barely was conscious after and just now reformed after several years od mental death

[neat salmon]

idk from the trailer it looks like the burst might replace gcd actions

[twin vigil]

reaper seems very cool with its install form

[neat salmon]

kinda of like firebird trance or drg life

[maiden lodge]

So, he had Iggy tank that blow for him.

After we deleted Iggy.

[echo orbit]

looks like delirium to me

[sage thicket]

Does Nin actually do magic damage by the by?

[maiden lodge]

Ninjutsu is mostly all magic damage except Fuma

[neat salmon]

bhava is also magic iirc

[maiden lodge]

Yep

[sage thicket]

mm. But ya, I'd assume it would be 'magic' in the same way that rdm is 'physical'

[coarse pond]

The more I think of it the more BunBois remind me of crossover between malecat and male neckzen

[neat salmon]

for lv90 they should make rdm buff all type

[maiden lodge]

RDM's physical damage is physical. Embolden does not buff its ogcds.

[twin vigil]

i hope ninjas in 6.0 get some new additions to their shadow clone and alllow the clone to copy ninjustus as well instead of just weapon skills

[sage thicket]

they're just grown up loporrito

[neat salmon]

the real play here is 4th mudra

[twin vigil]

i have no hope for samurai and blm getting anything interesting besides a new nuke thats green colored this time instead of the blue we got in shadowbringers

[neat salmon]

so they get like 20 permutations of ninjutsu xd

[sage thicket]

I thought after you enter the Red magic state it changes the physical attacks to Magical?

[coarse pond]

Am happi they got added but they don't look what I needed them to look. Probably gonna stay as Hyur

[maiden lodge]

Fleche, Contre Sixte, Engagement, Displacement, and Corps-a-Corps are ALL physical piercing.

[neat salmon]

glad they got rid of physical dmg types though, at least for players at least

[sage thicket]

fr I wished the Male V were smol. Like reverse Au Ra. But I can settle for being the first race with males shorter than fems

[tidal mauve]

https://youtu.be/iFH5qBnRJBA

isn't his name zenos sus galvus now

[coarse pond]

Instead they are cute Slenderman with bunny ears

https://c.tenor.com/iwkA3IAq6nIAAAAM/slender-man-slendy.gif

[twin vigil]

wait dragons are somehow supposed to take us to the moon

[echo orbit]

dragons can fly through space man

[forest magnet]

that's not out of the question actually

[sage thicket]

ngl, I do wish the various types of damages still exist. It was a nice bit of fluff. That said, I highly prefer the genaric buffs/debuffs. It was obnoxious with the arguing about what someone wanted to play vs what was 'required' to play

[twin vigil]

does that mena best boy midgardsomr is finalyl coming back after his long sleep in stormblood

[echo orbit]

unlikely

[twin vigil]

sadge

[maiden lodge]

Yes, bards totally enjoyed requiring dragoons in every fight they were in to be balanced.

[coarse pond]

Dragons can fly trough space, chased by Omega. That's how they escaped their star

[twin vigil]

yeah but i just want midgardsomr back

i miss him

[maiden lodge]

I mean if a dragon's taking us to the moon it's Middy

[river perch]

Hi was there any new content revealed in fanfest day 2?

[maiden lodge]

Esty can have DragonToddler Vrtra

[sage thicket]

I'm genuinely curious if the final fights of Hyde and Zod will finally kick Mid's ass in gear to ressurect himself

[river perch]

i didnt see any reddit topics on this

[somber storm]

We flown through space in Omega

[twin vigil]

prolly gonna be the only functioning dragon that isnt depressed to hsit like hrasvallger is

tiamat

shes kinda self imposed exile but like maybe we convince her with our WOL charismatic words to take us to the moon

[echo orbit]

she's outta exile ain't she

[carmine basin]

Tiamat is okay now tho, she's just going home

[echo orbit]

gonna rebuild mera with the dragons?

[twin vigil]

oh is that from the 5.5 patch

[sage thicket]

She was roused, she still very much hates herself. Slow emotional dragon brains and all that

[maiden lodge]

If you're not caught up to 5.5 this might not be a safe space.

[sage thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/rick-roll-gif-18401155

[maiden lodge]

But yeah, Tiamat was freed from captivity because her children were abducted from their captivity in Dalamud and used to summon and maintain Lunar Bahamut and be tempered--so she's joining to either free the children she can free or put the ones who can't out of their misery.

[sage thicket]

can't forget that she really only agreed because we could untemper her kids

[maiden lodge]

And she does a buddyteamup with Estinien because there's still a bit of Nidhogg in Estinien

[twin vigil]

dragoons on sucide watch if they cant get a pet dragon for their level 90 job

[maiden lodge]

That and we purified her of the tempering that was there

[sage thicket]

Also, I'm putting money that IF Tiamat is how we get to the moon then it's Estinian or Alisaie being a shit again that gets her to do it

[maiden lodge]

However, Tiamat not being with Estinien does indicate that there might be a reason she's not continuing on despite maybe having children still tempered.

Maybe she's going on to just destroy some Dalamud chonks.

[sage thicket]

Well, she does likely want to deal with that chunk of beeg draconian aetherstones that make up her accident

[subtle pasture]

He prob gives her a break and lets her set out with her surviving kids to restablish their home in Meracydia-- or Azys Lla, even, but prob a lot more land in the former

Maybe going to Thavnair is on her suggestion to find Vrtra

[sage thicket]

hey does anyone have the screencut of the textbox (I think to either elidibus or hades) that we would most certainly meet again in the future? I'm having issue finding it

[maiden lodge]

'Do you have a hot brother?'
'Why yes. Yes I do. And he has both eyes, last I heard.'

[subtle pasture]

Tiamat finding out about Hraesvelgr and Shiva: "waitwecandothat?"
immediately tries setting up her little brother and Estinien

"Look, you can both do the lightning thing, you're made for each other."

[chilly bluff]

I wonder if there's any significance in making Vrtra the youngest of the brood.

[subtle pasture]

Last to get territory to grab I suppose. It's interesting to get an order of their hatchings and for one to be "the youngest"

[heady shadow]

Im curious of his personality

[maiden lodge]

Someone has to be!

[desert cloak]

Being youngest makes characters the most curious usually, maybe Vrtra is curious and likely the only one of the brood interested in finding a way back to dragon star? Devs did mention there might be a relation from omega storyline to vrtra

[turbid aspen]

"so did my older brother do you know what with his mate orrrr?"

[desert cloak]

awkwaaaarddddd

[turbid aspen]

"stop talking vrtra"
"but this seems important for the future of our race cmon bro i just wanna know"

[maiden lodge]

Inherently, he's of the First Brood.

[heady shadow]

inb4 he can tranfomr into a humanoid figure

[dim sigil]

Was midgarzoomer even considered "special" back on dragonstar or is he just the only one left alive that lived on it

[desert cloak]

I hope not

[echo orbit]

who knows

omega and middie fought, maybe they were just fodders

[torpid yoke]

late bloomer

[heady shadow]

you dont want another Veldora? xD

[desert cloak]

He was considered paragon of dragons, so perhaps one of the strongest, and consistently beat the crap out of omega

[dim sigil]

Its kinda werid though he isnt asleep if one didn't do omega so msq cant acknowledge that

[turbid aspen]

mmm war hero grandpa middy

[desert cloak]

But from what the story in the omega raids gon it seems those two have different things to telln sormr said omega destroyed dragonstra and he had to run, but omega said sormr just left the planet suddenly, no mention of it destroying rhe planetn implying dragonstar is still ok, tho prolly all life there is not so okay, and who wiuld wanna raise their kids on a broken world alone?

[kindred rampart]

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[woven escarp]

all of those from watching soken at the end of fanfest

[desert cloak]

Pls no, mah tears are coming out again

[woven escarp]

man literally too stubborn to die because he owes the fans new songs

[desert cloak]

We don't deserve this man 😔

[woven escarp]

apparently people were putting up PFs for seat of sacrifice with the description "this is for soken"

[desert cloak]

And camping costa del sol to bully "its not lupus"

[slate ridge]

apparently the scythe zenos has is a "gun-scythe" like ruby rose, but the one for reaper is not?

[desert cloak]

Because garleans

[dim sigil]

Id assume zenos is using AF

[woven escarp]

garlean stuff is always gun-x

even if it's fuckin useless to make it a gun-x

[dim sigil]

Gun gun

[woven escarp]

the answer is, obviously, to use more gun

[desert cloak]

Yeah, you swing scythes in circles and sides etc, not point it , when would you have the opportunity to shoot 🤣

[woven escarp]

through the haft

so you'd shoot them halfway through the slice, for extra "fuck you"

[desert cloak]

Haha

[midnight panther]

https://tenor.com/view/rwby-scythe-ruby-rose-weapon-ready-to-fight-gif-15923753

[desert cloak]

And now i'm trying to remember of any other useless gunweapons garleans have used

[subtle pasture]

have I pointed out that disappearing forum member in here today

[woven escarp]

gun-shield, gun-katar

[desert cloak]

Gun shield is useful tho

[woven escarp]

I think the twins that hobbed varis' knob used gun tonfa

[stiff charm]

ASCIAN

[desert cloak]

You arr protected, and when you gyard you cans hoot

[turbid aspen]

roes silenced 😔

[midnight panther]

Gun book

[stiff charm]

https://tenor.com/view/jojo-gun-jojos-josuke-meme-gif-18019715

[turbid aspen]

im wondering if they have any lalas in there

[subtle pasture]

and no the next guy over isn't a roe, you can see the size diff in roe forum members on the bottom/bottom left

[woven escarp]

nah, from what I remember of rhititayn's fight it was like livia's gun-katar

just a bang on impact

[turbid aspen]

its the dual shield from dark souls

[subtle pasture]

Oh, there is I think

[desert cloak]

True

[woven escarp]

also, now that fanfest is over, can we get rid of slow mode REEEEEEEEEE

[midnight panther]

Gun spear

[desert cloak]

But i was thinking more "realistic" , i see your point tho 🤣

[midnight panther]

Gun staff

[desert cloak]

Ugh, that was annpying when i got invaded by someone who had two greatshields

[subtle pasture]

circled what I think to be roe and lalafell forum seats

[midnight panther]

I salute people who do stupid shit

[turbid aspen]

theyre so smol

[desert cloak]

Its smart stupid, ixve only met sane people with swords and magic, and then this guy comes and i didnxt know what to do 🤣

[midnight panther]

Lol rip

U roll and go for the backstab

[echo orbit]

try to get them to fall off ledges

[desert cloak]

Honestly a part of me doubts they are lalas, but we can hope 🤣

[desert cloak]

They too smart for that

[turbid aspen]

i want more au ra sharlayans considering mikoto exists

[desert cloak]

But i didnxt last long cuz he literally crushed me to death

[midnight panther]

I dont want to see a grown alphi or alisaie theyre cute that size

[subtle pasture]

Yeah, and al lwe got on that front is she and her sister were some of the first Raen archons (and her sis lost the title)

but, maybe, don't need Archonhood for a Forum seat, maybe.

[deft burrow]

7.0 is a time skip

[midnight panther]

Rip why u go for the front

[desert cloak]

About that, i've been wondering, do sharlayans literally accept everybody who wants to join their nation or something? Considering they are made of non native races

[deft burrow]

everyone is grown up in 7.0

[wanton steppe]

was there a crashed ship on the moon? ragnarok?

[midnight panther]

Nooooooooooo

[desert cloak]

He caught me rolling i think, ixve forgotten everything except my final moments and my impression

[midnight panther]

Dang he crushed u

[deft burrow]

The writer did say to get familiar with the coils raid series

[woven escarp]

that's like the fucking riot shield in COD lmao

[desert cloak]

Good thing i just finished it yesterday

[carmine basin]

I assume they'd accept anyone willing to learn

[deft burrow]

So maybe it will be Ragnarok after all

[woven escarp]

playing bumper cars with people after you doink them to death a few times

[carmine basin]

Since Yda and Lyse were Ala Mhigan refugees

[deft burrow]

It'd make sense to use Ragnarok as the ship during the final days. Kinda poetic.