retired-patch-6-3-discussion

[strange summit]

collector box + the game

[humble heron]

then itll come in the box

[strange summit]

ugh

[clever flume]

pre-order code is not with the box...

[echo orbit]

iT's NoT tHat HArd guys

• The Collector’s Box does not include a copy of Endwalker, in-game bonus items, or pre-order bonuses
• Please note, this product is not eligible for the FINAL FANTASY XIV: Endwalker Water Bottle Promotion

[clever flume]

you should get an e-mail directing you to the store page with the pre-order code

[humble heron]

no, they said they got the Physical Collectors that comes with the game

[drowsy belfry]

Well I mean honestly? yeah Coils and Alexander Savage are piss easy unsynced

[humble heron]

so not the collectors box

[drowsy belfry]

T13 can practically be done solo if you know how to CD properly

I did Alexander 8 Savage with some friends unsynced recently and you just need to follow a specific order at the start and that's it

So if they make you do savage raids fuck yeah

[echo orbit]

i don't even remember if physical collector is an actual sku

[humble heron]

it is

[viscid monolith]

T13 can be soloed mindlessly with a level 70 healer

[drowsy belfry]

^

[viscid monolith]

It can be soloed carefully with a level 60 healer. Basically do it on a healer.

[echo orbit]

so it's just called the endwalker collector's edition

[plain plover]

paladin basically memed T13 as well at 70

[proud parrot]

during liveletter today did they say anything meddle requirement for the new patch?

[ashen coral]

If you're just wanting to know what you need to get into Zadnor,you just need the storyline completed so far (so at least one DR clear); you also need to have 5.4 MSQ completed. There's no specific rank/mettle requirement beyond that.

[odd yoke]

No. But you're gonna need to have done delerum to continue the bojzan story to get to the next zone

[proud parrot]

yeah have done all story so far

just wondered if it had level req like eureka back in the day

[odd yoke]

The bojzan story is the requirement

(and 5.4 story done)

[gaunt star]

Limsa Lominsa is for the thots
Old Sharlayan is for the brainlets

[proud parrot]

btw thanks for the quick answer

[pale shuttle]

will there be a new super hard tier raid i forgot what they were called lol

[maiden lodge]

Effectively, 10

[pale shuttle]

not extreme or savage i forgot what it was called xd

[maiden lodge]

Ultimate is delayed until EW

[pale shuttle]

yeees ultimate noice

I haven’t tried out any ultimates yet but will later on

[gaunt star]

guys i’m doing the HW alliance raids right now and oh my goodness i’m in love with them never did before

[maiden lodge]

gasps need to protect Soken intensifies

[warped hull]

Ahh I really want Shadowbringers MSQ Ultimate

That's gonna be at least around 7.x right?

[visual spade]

Void Ark and stuff? Those were always really solid

[chilly bluff]

Unsure, really. They've stated before that they don't want the Ultimates to fall into a pattern. Although we've seen just that pattern so far.

[gaunt star]

yes i’m loving it! going in as drk

[visual spade]

Void Ark's aesthetic was so cool overall, and it was great to see basically a one-off monster like Diablos, who showed up only in FF8, become a major player

[gaunt star]

for the first time ever i’m caught up and actually waiting for an expansion

[visual spade]

And sky pirates too

[warped hull]

Yeah, I think I just want an Ultimate fight against Unsundered Ascians.
Like, Emet (as Hades) + Elidibus (as WoL) + Lahabread (as 6.0 Savage)

[maiden lodge]

suddenly the 'why does Soken look tired' stuff past couple days hit different

[gaunt star]

how do you unlock the 2 ultimates that are out now ?

i’m trying to be a completionist 💀

[chilly bluff]

There are three. Clear O4S, O8S, and E4S.

[maiden lodge]

o8s, o12s

wait no o4s

Not o12s

[warped hull]

You can just spank those unsynced right?

[chilly bluff]

Nnnnnnnnnnnnnooooooooooooooooottttttttttttt really

[gaunt star]

i’m not tranna unsync anyway

[gloomy shale]

Did they talk about job changes this weekend or is that going to be discussed at a later date?

[gaunt star]

i wanna get the glamour and title the real way

[maiden lodge]

o4s is a bit easier, o8s is still gonna reck ya, e4s is a learning curve

[chilly bluff]

That will come in a huge live letter shortly before expansion launch.

[gloomy shale]

gotcha

[gaunt star]

what is O ? omega ? from SB?

[maiden lodge]

Yeah

[warped hull]

Wait did Omega Ultimate release?

[gaunt star]

so O4s O8s and e4S?

[warped hull]

I thought it's just UWU + Bahamut + Alex?

[maiden lodge]

Honestly, start with e4s, cause that's the least 'nerfed' by gear. If you can't handle that, you're not ready for ultimates.

[gaunt star]

i’m on e9s rn

[maiden lodge]

Yoshi P crying seriously

[chilly bluff]

So far we have Unending Coils of Bahamut, The Weapon's Refrain (UWU), and The Epic of Alexander.

[warped hull]

I'm personally gonna start Ultimate after clearing all fights in Eden S

Is UWU the easiest now?

I still kinda do need a BiS set to do Ultimates right?

[maiden lodge]

Not reallllllly, the 'BiS' for each ultimate is based on older gear because they're synched to when they came out.

[warped hull]

Right, I mean I was thinking if it's a horrible idea to try to do Ultimates without using SkS gear.

I just feel like I need to relearn all my muscle memory if I switch SkS

[maiden lodge]

Holy shit Yoshi P was crying hard

[warped hull]

Wait is the Fanfest still live?

[maiden lodge]

No im catching up to last night

[chilly bluff]

No it ended about five? hours ago.

[warped hull]

I see

[maiden lodge]

We don't deserve these men.

[chilly bluff]

That last part of the closing ceremony though where Soken came forward with his health stuff is where Kawaiian is.

[maiden lodge]

I'm not crying! It's raining indoors on my face!

Yoshi P called Soken his best friend

I'm done. I'm done!

[cobalt dew]

Yeah that killed me

[chilly bluff]

[dim sigil]

So like literally not just us but the development team entirely everybody found out at once

[maiden lodge]

#protectsoken

#continuetoprotectsoken

[chilly bluff]

Yoshida knew. Probably Koji too. The team at large didn't though.

[visual spade]

Yoshi-P described how he took over the project and basically laid out that they were going to be working outrageously hard, they'd be having to run FF14 under a tight schedule and it'd be a massive undertaking. He said that there were a lot of people who were uncertain or wary about it -- throwing yourselves into a project that had already essentially been a failure. Among the ones he mentioned specifically who were on board, though, was Soken

[chilly bluff]

Soken was the first one to jump in yelling let's goooooooooooooooooooooooo

[maiden lodge]

While crying

[visual spade]

Soken's a youngish guy too, I thought? I actually can't really tell how old any of these people are since Japanese people seem to stop aging between 20-50 😄

[maiden lodge]

While crying, that broke me

[visual spade]

But I'd thought he was in his 30s or so

[chilly bluff]

He's 46

[visual spade]

https://tenor.com/view/the-wire-shocked-open-mouth-oh-oh-snap-gif-4207696

[hallow lodge]

oh god. i'm getting old. 46? I was like "huh. doesn't sound too old."

[chilly bluff]

That’s still pretty young though 😅

[barren karma]

hahahaah I'm 43

[hallow lodge]

I'm 31. >,>

[barren karma]

I bet I'm older thain most folks here

[visual spade]

Soken and Yoshi-P are actually closer'n age than not. I wonder how old Uemetsu was when he started with FF1

[deft burrow]

They are great friends it seems like

[oak pike]

Late 20s

[teal geyser]

Yeah just under 29

[iron scaffold]

34

[teal geyser]

When the hell do you think FF1 came out?

[oak pike]

FF1 came out in like 87

[iron scaffold]

1987

[teal geyser]

And he was born in 1959

[oak pike]

Uematsu was born in 59

[barren karma]

Considering that journey that was saving Ff14 and even just working in the games industry.....it would be only normal for strong life long friendships to form

[teal geyser]

1987-1959 = 28

[obsidian osprey]

oh god

Hes getting old.....please dont take him away from us just yet

[oak pike]

Uematsu is retiring from making full sound tracks

Homie deserve it in my eyes, so many childhood songs

[visual spade]

Yeah, Uematsu's basically done. I liked "Hollow" well enough, but he's tending his bansai garden and also occassionally rocking out

Actually do the Black Mages still do anything?

[oak pike]

Nah the black mages been done since like 2010

[iron scaffold]

now it's the age of the Primals

[oak pike]

Uematsu will show up for the occasional song/melody but full sound tracks he’s done

[maiden lodge]

Uemetsu's keeping his health and that's fine

[iron scaffold]

....but think of Uemetsu reaction about hearing about Soken health

[gloomy shale]

Uematsu has always been my fav ff composer

[teal geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-fire-burning-gif-8869638

[visual spade]

In terms of a musical legacy, Uemetsu is basically unmatched. Only Koji Kondo could possibly be thought to be his peer.

[prisma vine]

for now

[visual spade]

As a successor, nobody has come close to doing what Uemetsu does than Soken

Shimomura is too married to her style, as is the Dark Souls and Star Ocean guy, or the FF12/Tactics guy

[maiden lodge]

FF12/Tactics guys

It's a duo., Iwata and Hashimoto

[visual spade]

Soken and Uemetsu both simply cannot be defined by a single style, they leap into every genre of music seemingly at whim.

Look at FF9's OST for a clear example, or FF6

[oak pike]

Also ffx music

[visual spade]

you have: Opera, ragtime, ukelele-led Hawaiian tracks, samba and flamenco, heavy metal, synth-rock

All in one game, and all of it sounds perfectly in place

[teal geyser]

heavy metal
Otherworld

[steep coral]

Otherworld is divine

[oak pike]

Synth rock
Seymour theme

[visual spade]

Uemetsu's legacy is really in just how much and many amazing quality tracks he could incorporate into a single OST while not losing its general cohesion.

[steep coral]

love X's music :p

[visual spade]

Soken, similarly, is even more willing to push boundaries.

[teal geyser]

It took me a while to actually come to like it because of how jarring it was but it is good

[visual spade]

I mean, he put a Bollywood-style dance song as a boss theme, has been more open about using vocal tracks in general

[maiden lodge]

Uemetsu's primary work was done when vocal tracks for video games were either impossible or not yet really explored well.

[steep coral]

Same, i used to not be a rock person, but it grew on me over the years, otherworld was 1 among lots of others that got me a little into it

[oak pike]

Yeah imagine uematsu had access to vocal tracks in game earlier

[visual spade]

Uemetsu didn't really need vocals in his songs, but some games, like FF8, showed that he could have done amazing work had technology been there for it. But in a sense, he set a standard that you don't need to rely on lyrics to make emotional music.

"You're Not Alone" is incredibly impactful and doesn't need voices to tell you how to feel. Similar to "Rose of May" even though both songs can be set to lyrics to great effect, the effect remains without them

[maiden lodge]

FFX's soundtrack was also a collab--a lot of it is Hamauzu doing the grunt work--this was back when Uemetsu was starting to bow out.

[oak pike]

But god damn the mad man made dancing mad on a cartridge that only have 5mb for the entire game

[strange wing]

I really need to play the other FFs at some point.

[visual spade]

Uemetsu did 10 FF games, and I think he contributed to many other side games as well

[odd yoke]

[maiden lodge]

1-9, 11, contributed to 10, and 14. But he'd left square around the time of 10-11

[visual spade]

Of thoe games, not a single one has a bad soundtrack. There's no duds whatsoever. Arguments will rage eternal over which FF game is "worst" or "best" but it will always be true that ever FF games soundtrack is inarguably its best part.

It is the constant of the whole franchise, particularly for the first 11.

[maiden lodge]

Eh ff5 is kinda a low point.

[visual spade]

Duuuude what, no way

[oak pike]

Greg’s theme

[maiden lodge]

Yeah, wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too tinny.

[visual spade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giDLQfzd6qc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Wr2ll0EP48

[oak pike]

https://youtu.be/w0zhvKYwHWI

[maiden lodge]

Battle on the Big Bridge is fine, but, if you compare with FF4 and FF6, you can hear FF5's soundscape has... issues.

[visual spade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaYcTPeRACc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9WHFk8_0GQ

Just naw man, FF5's OST slaps hard.

And I didn't even include the pirate theme, the sweet celtic village theme

[maiden lodge]

I dunno, every time it hits a horn I can hear the canned nature of it, it hits its bass notes less well than FF4, it does feel like a step back

It's incredibly tinny, on an SNES which is doubling down on oof

[visual spade]

I really like the SNES sound style though, it's not really any different from any of the SNES sounds then

[maiden lodge]

Contrast with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENJL0y5_vKU which actually avoids being tinny using its horns--you can hear the difference.

Contrast FF5 with 4 and 6, directly--you can hear there's a... stilted quality to it.

It's hard to put my finger on it but it sounds like they took the sound samples and did something... weird with it. There's just something... off with it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQN9Gotwdps

[dim sigil]

Did some xv or least ik for a fact he did a bit on the comrades dlc

[maiden lodge]

Likely

[dim sigil]

There was a whole big thing about him doing the theme song for comrades

[pine epoch]

I r ded from staying up till 6

[maiden lodge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cp9kEAx1q1k here, like you can hear the instruments aren't stilted--they sound richer, like they don't cut off as suddenly...

[dim sigil]

It's funny how he is still very much kind of involved with the series despite not being a square employee

[visual spade]

I dunno, I feel like "stilted" doesn't really apply to FF5. Again, it's basically more of Uemetsu, it's just got a less dark tone

FF5 seemed in general to want to go against the grain of IV and capture an older atmosphere too

[dim sigil]

Gba ff4 goat

[visual spade]

Granted, none of them have world maps as good as FF3's theme

[maiden lodge]

Naw, it almost sounds similar to how 80s drums sound different because of gated reverb, ff5 sounds like the instruments were gated--without the reverb

Contrast with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUg8rC9yu6U

[visual spade]

not that FF3, I meant the original FF3

[teal geyser]

Dis wtf

[maiden lodge]

wtf?

[teal geyser]

Stop being a boomer who thinks 3 is 6

[maiden lodge]

I wasn't, I was using it as a contrast with FF5.

[teal geyser]

okay good

I'm half paying attention 😅

[maiden lodge]

I can't directly compare FF3 cause you know, nes sound chip vs snes sound chip isn't like... comparable.

Also I made a shitpost last night cali

yeah what else is new dis

[teal geyser]

Yeah?

[sage thicket]

Did you get the vod?

[visual spade]

I mean, I'll agree FF6's soundtrack is superior to either 4 or 4

*5

[mighty light]

Wasn't able to tune in last night; was there any more info on Reaper?

[visual spade]

But honestly, it's just a matter of taste as to which is "superior", all of them succeed in conveying a varied and diverse emotional range and mood through a similarly diverse range of musical styles, often pushing the envelope of what was expected of game OSTs of the era

[oak pike]

Nah

[maiden lodge]

I'm of the opinion it's peak Uemetsu

[languid breach]

Is there somewhere a recap of all important information of fanfest day 2?

[visual spade]

I think that's a common belief, but FF7's OST is superior to 6's, and 9's superior to all prior imo

I think FF10 with its use of leitmotifs is arguably a magnum opus as well, though it was clearly a hard soundtrack for Uemetsu to put together

[maiden lodge]

FF10 is more Hamauzu's deal though

[visual spade]

He also went on to do Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey after retiring from SE

[maiden lodge]

Uemetsu did some important tracks in it but, credit where credit do

[visual spade]

I think that's giving Hamauzu a lot more credit than I would. Uemetsu is still chief composer, and his influence is all over.

[empty moss]

you know the closing shot of the trailer, the moon is alot closer than our moon is to Earth

[visual spade]

That'd be like saying Uemetsu should have credit for Chrono Trigger's OST, for helping Mitsuda here adn there

[maiden lodge]

Chrono Trigger sounds hard like a Mitsuda sound track though.

[visual spade]

wot

[hasty totem]

yeah

[maiden lodge]

FF10, you can hear Hamauzu in a lot of tracks

[hasty totem]

That's because Chrono Trigger IS by Mitsuda.

[empty moss]

the Earth is not that Big in the images on the moon

[visual spade]

What else has Hamauzu done for comparison?

[hasty totem]

with Uematsu's assistance, but still mainly Mitsuda.

[maiden lodge]

FF13?!

[visual spade]

ew

FF13 has a few good battle themes and that's about it. The rest sounds like elevator music.

I bet he did Luca's theme song then, based on that knowledge.

[vital topaz]

The fact that Soken wrote To The Edge while fighting Cancer.

That nearly broke me

[visual spade]

Yeah, that surely helped enhance the music's emotional power

[maiden lodge]

Yoshi-P crying after DID break me

[vital topaz]

What does it mean when cancer goes into remission?

[visual spade]

Basically it means it's stopped actively growing/spreading

[maiden lodge]

Besaid, the Boss Theme, Challenge are Hamauzus

[visual spade]

Besaid? I'm skeptical, I'd need to look that credit up

[cyan pecan]

I broke down from that announcement

[maiden lodge]

It's going down, but like, they never call cancer 'cured', because they can never be sure it won't spring up again.

[vital topaz]

What do you do after that, do you take pills that will kill the rest of off?

[visual spade]

No, you live until you die.

Just like everyone else, basically.

[maiden lodge]

Remission means you're 'done' with that cancer, unless it comes back later.

[visual spade]

It's as good as we get with cancer.

[cyan pecan]

Imma go and do Seat of Sacrifice while listening To the Edge

[vital topaz]

OH, so like Chickenpox and Shingles, in a manner of speaking.

[visual spade]

not exactly

But I guess sorta similar?

[vital topaz]

Did they say what kind of cancer he had?

[odd yoke]

No

[visual spade]

It's not really any of our business. My guess would be lung or pancreatic

If he smokes, like Yoshi-P does.

[mighty light]

Prostate is also extremely common for men.

[visual spade]

And pancreatic is i think the most common

Yeah, could be that too.

[gaunt star]

will revelation *** still be capped all summer ?

[rancid turtle]

Has there been any word on what happened with the crystarium festival missing at the end of the eden questline?

[maiden lodge]

My apologize, the boss theme was Nakano, not Hamauzu

[odd yoke]

Revelation yes, but it gets doubled to.900 later

[clever flume]

yes, revelations will remained capped but raised to 900

[gaunt star]

WOO

thank goodness

[cyan pecan]

All Cancer is terrible

[hasty totem]

Really, people should go study Square-Enix Music and their members.

[gaunt star]

will the weekly cap also be lifted for the third coin ?

[hasty totem]

They are not just revolving around Uematsu or Soken.

[odd yoke]

Yes, in like 5.57 or.so

[visual spade]

There's a lot of amazing musicians out there now though for games

[vital topaz]

The good thing is, the doctors will be constantly screening for it, so they'll be ready if it DOES come back. It sounds like they caught it early enough, so that's great!

[odd yoke]

All weekly stuff and tome cap doubled will be removed around 5.57/5.58

[gaunt star]

i’m just gonna take a nap until november

[visual spade]

Christopher Larkin, Carlos Viola, both have made incredible OSTs for indie titles

[maiden lodge]

Like this is Hamauzu--you can hear the FF13-ness in it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTwQYCjWDVM

[kind lark]

Or just video game composers in general, they're all underrated

[odd yoke]

[visual spade]

The Outer Wilds OST is so good too

[mighty light]

A lot of people--not just active or previous cancer patients--have tumours that they don't do anything about because they're not growing, and because having them removed has the potential to cause more harm than it'd solve. And obviously it's very difficult to actually find all "cancerous" cells in the body.
And while chemotherapy is as targeted as it can be, like... You're still effectively poisoning yourself in the hopes that it'll hurt the cancer more than it does the rest of you, so you can't just keep doing it forever.

[hasty totem]

People like Tsutomu Narita (he even worked on XIV as an arranger), Masashi Hamauzu, Tsuyoshi Sekito, Naoshi Mizuta, Nobuko Toda, Yoshitaka Suzuki, Yoko Shimomura

all of these made up what FF is today

[visual spade]

Chemotherapy is practically barbaric in terms of a treatment

It's effective, sorta, but it's a scorched earth approach.

[maiden lodge]

And sometimes, the only shot you got.

[vital topaz]

Cancer treatments are slowly getting better, however!

[visual spade]

It's like the bandit story in the Dark Knight: They beat the bandit by burning the whole forest down.

[maiden lodge]

Soken made To the Edge on chemo, like shit

[mighty light]

Yep
Ssslowly

[visual spade]

Do you know what doctors, by and large, do when they get terminal diagnoses?

[prisma vine]

i'm currently in a SoS EX learning group because of this shit lmfao

[visual spade]

They don't seek treatment. They'll just retire, treat the symptoms as to be comfortable, and spend their lives with their families.

[prisma vine]

the people teaching are doing it bc they were like 'wanna respect this good music by getting people clears' and us learning are like 'wanna learn to respect the work that went into it'

[vital topaz]

The man pulled out his own Limit Break 4 and basically said "For Victory, I render up my all!"

[visual spade]

Obviously a younger doctor may not do that, but I'd heard that some time ago and I think it reflects an interesting mindset.

[mighty light]

I do wanna say like
Absolutely celebrate Soken for doing this, but maybe be careful about lionizing that kind of behaviour in general
Soken is clearly very passionate but like
The idea that people should still be putting out their all for their job even when horrifically ill is not necessarily a good one

[kind lark]

Omg they did the t-shirt guy dance for the twinning

[vital topaz]

I imagine a person with remissioned cancer gets regular screenings to check if its started to grow again, so they can keep catching it early?

[maiden lodge]

tbf, it was his own decision and desire in this case.

[maiden lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/you-got-it-dude-full-house-michelle-olsen-twins-thumbs-up-gif-8365671

[visual spade]

@mighty light I dunno. It depends on what's important to you. Soken's not just doing it for himself, he has millions of people who love his work. It's a legacy and his duty to others. Death is certain for all, so it is better, if you ask me, to die continuing to try and serve others if you are able and inspired.

[mighty light]

Again I'm not talking about Soken specifically here

[pine epoch]

My grandmother had checkups at first once a month and now it's like once half a year.

[visual spade]

It's not just a "job" it's his career.

[pine epoch]

Tho it probably is different from person to person.

[visual spade]

It's as much his legacy and his contribution to all mankind as well.

[oak pike]

like if i had cancer, ill probably want to be doing something that i love to do

[visual spade]

It's not like he's continuing to work at Walmart while dying of cancer. He's creating art that will outlive him.

[mighty light]

Yep

[stuck yarrow]

Ngl I’ll probably cry when the credits roll on ShB

[frank tide]

does anyone know when the trailer theme comes out

[stuck yarrow]

Probably with the rest of the ost

[visual spade]

I feel like this past year especially has revealed to, at least me, that even if you can comfortably not work, it's not satisfying to live that way. Life is satisfying when we strive to serve things beyond our immediate selves.

[pine epoch]

Unless they make a recap video for EW Information to play the theme over it

[stuck yarrow]

I can’t wait to see all the new artifact gears

[visual spade]

Many people who "hate work" feel this way because they understand or feel that their work lacks any real meaning or importance to anyone. Similarly, somebody who has a job which does have meaning to others can take great pride in that work, even if it is incredibly hard.

[prisma vine]

because at that point, it's not 'just work,' it's a passion

[visual spade]

And passion is a word which means "suffering" funnily enough

[maiden lodge]

I get the feeling Yoshi P had to be argued with for Soken to continue working

[mighty light]

In the games industry it's very common for people to argue that excessive overtime, extreme crunch, and unreasonable deadlines are a necessary expression of "passion," though, and if one isn't willing to put themselves through that, they aren't "passionate" enough to work there. FFXIV's crew does not seem to be like that, but in the industry at large, there is absolutely a problem of conflating "cultivating a passionate workplace" with abuse. That is what I am referring to.

[maiden lodge]

Absolutely, that's fair.

[visual spade]

Exploiting passion si 100% a thing, absolutely. And Japanese work culture in all major industries does this a lot, as well as exploiting cultural hangups such as debt, guilt and obligation.

And you see shitheads like Naughty Dog abusing their staff to the point of mass quitting and huge, profit-hurting leaks. Activision too.

I think Yoshi-P bucks the trend though, he seems to really care about the welfare of his team first and foremost.

Even when it means doing things like reducing the number of dungeons they add each patch cycle, which was unpopular with fans, he made and stuck to the decision for the sake of his workforce. That's true leadership.

[brisk quail]

Part of it felt like a breach of trust on Soken's part. Given his circumstances and it'd be very against... well... lots of things and rules in a traditional/non-Japanese workplace

[vital topaz]

I will take quality over quantity every single time.

[visual spade]

Same. Especially as I get older, and more and more games are released, I find myself growing only more adn more selective about what I put money towards.

[placid sail]

2020 went by in a blur, six months are nothing

[vital topaz]

If I ever develop a game, I'm going to go full indie, at my leisure. I am not going to sacrifice physical and mental health for the sake of my craft.

[brisk quail]

WHATS

6 months already?! Wtf where did the time go

[visual spade]

I'm developing a tabletop game, since I can't program or learn how to program soon enough to accomplish my vision, and I also like that it's basically entirely at my own timetable I can work

[kind lark]

Indies need to crunch tho, sometimes even more

[visual spade]

But...deadlines really do help. 😄

[mighty light]

A lot of indie devs work themselves into the ground to get things done and don't get anywhere, yeah

[visual spade]

Axiom Verge's dev was basically near homeless for awhile

[maiden lodge]

board or rpg?

[visual spade]

Uh, I guess it's like board, like Warhammer, but on a hex-grid, and American.

[maiden lodge]

And it took a LONG time for that to get out, cause you know, man's gotta eat

[kind lark]

The fact that devs need to have therapy to get over crunch is disturbing.

[maiden lodge]

Coolcoolcool

[dense flower]

it does
it helped me a lot especially on uni

[vital topaz]

I graduated a technical college with an Associates in Web Development

People really do sleep on Technical Colleges.

[visual spade]

Deadlines are very good, but deadlines can also become a hurdle if implemented poorly. With everything, good leadership is critical. And good leadership is rarer and rarer thane ver.

[dense flower]

yeah true

[vital topaz]

Also, can we get an F in chat for Flash Games?

[visual spade]

Lookit how bad Square got under Nomura, to keep it relevant 😄

[dense flower]

balancing it is the way

[vital topaz]

Well, Nomura is....Nomura.

[mighty light]

Like Lancer?

[visual spade]

Nomura is the perfect example of an excellent lieutenant who should never have been made colonel.

[echo kestrel]

*Yoichi Wada

[mighty light]

Or er
Warhammer the fantasy wargame not Warhammer the sci-fi RPG based on a wargame
I'm not very good at brains; apologies

[visual spade]

@mighty light The idea is to have miniatures/factions and turn-based combat like Warhammer, but with battlefields provided in supplementary materials to create unique and varied combat arenas. Like, you'd buy a book that's full of different battlefields that you can pull out and play upon.

I'm close to the point of commissioning some artwork for it, so if you know any talented artists, lemme know 😄

[oak pike]

when did it turn into warhammer

also WAAAAAGH

[brisk quail]

Red = go faster

[visual spade]

https://tenor.com/view/techpriest-warhammer40k-adeptus-mechanicus-engineer-warhammer-gif-16970017

How I imagine QA for FF14 must look like 😄

[gaunt star]

Under Nomura
People really have 0 idea what Nomura actually has done at Square Enix lmao

[visual spade]

He was helming FF15 for 7 years of nothing, and he basically was the creative authority for most of their projects post-FF10

He went from character designer to game director and he sucks at being a game director

[maiden lodge]

Nomura is pivotal to a lot of what we love in Final Fantasy. His hand is all over FF6 visually

But... he's not good at setting deadlines and cutting through development hell.

[woven escarp]

he's a creative type and really relies on a business type to actually guide a project to completion

[gaunt star]

He was not the "creative authority" for most projects post-FF10. He only did some character designs for FF11, wasn't involved in FF12, didn't do anything but character designs and some mild background work on FNC for FF13. But FF15 is a bit more loaded than "Nomura did nothing for years lol"

[woven escarp]

kitase keeps nomura from wandering off the rails

[maiden lodge]

arguable

[maiden lodge]

no, FF15's got a lot of background stuff going on, management problems. The issue is that Nomura was management.

[woven escarp]

I bet yoshi-p with nomura would be a 🔥 project, yoshi-p seems to have a really good grasp of how to push his minions to excel without crushing them

[visual spade]

FF13 Fabulua Novalis whatever, Kingdom Hearts, FF7 spin-offs

Nomura held huge influence and he was the one who was greenlighting and being greenlit for projects done. He's also a massive drunk who took years to do anything because he's an auteur, as was half the company.

The NoClip documentary into FF14 reveals a lot of this, albeit without naming too many names.

[maiden lodge]

FF16 going to the MMO/mobile development branch is telling.

[heady spear]

Used to like kh1 and 2, but after that it feels off the rails

Put important plot points on mobile game? No thanks

[maiden lodge]

The thing with Nomura is he's not a low man on the FF totem pole, while he's not on the board of directors, he's one of the leads for the brand as a whole on the FF Committee.

[visual spade]

KH2 was hot garbage, an incoherent mess of ideas completely divorced from its far more humble (if still very pretentious) origin. KH1 felt like a collaborations -- after that, it felt like Nomura's first drafts became full games

[maiden lodge]

So some management problems and blow back can, and should, go on him.

[visual spade]

Kitase has his own mistakes to answer for, tbh, but it seems everyone's gotten their shit together for FF7R

[gaunt star]

It wasn't Nomura's fault that people were directed onto Crystal Tools/Luminous to fix stuff, it wasn't his fault that FF14 hemorrhaged money from SE. Dude was a director, not the producer, he was still at the whims of Square Enix, which we saw with KH even having to switch engines by their demand. And FNC was a collaborative project, that he didn't even start. FF13 was mainly Toriyama's take on that mythos. The Compilation had Nomura's hand in it, yes, but he wasn't that responsible for the way it panned out. DoC was Kitase's idea, Tabata handled CC.

But stuff like Kingdom Hearts, TWEWY, Dissidia, things funnily enough, he's involved in, were successes. Even the FF7 Remake, which he directed, was a massive success.

[deft burrow]

Tbh the MMO development branch at SE for Final Fantasy is one of the most competent teams they have.

[maiden lodge]

tbf FF7R really just needs to be high-graphics-fan-service and it's doing its job

[woven escarp]

not really though? they've been maneuvering yoshi-p into a larger role in the company since 2.0 launched to huge success and critical acclaim

it is literally the most well-reviewed FF since FF7 lmao

[visual spade]

The combat director is doing God's work though

[mighty light]

Nomura arguments up there with "Garlemald is good actually"

[maiden lodge]

Hard disagree but to each their own

[visual spade]

what come on the FF7R battle system is the best FF has had in years

[gaunt star]

Funnily enough, Kazushige Nojima was the writer for KH2

[visual spade]

It's literally a culmination of everything that's come before

[woven escarp]

isn't 7R basically just XV's combat engine?

[teal geyser]

Honestly? Kinda worse because it's not as clean cut of an argument

[gaunt star]

No

[woven escarp]

with some minor tweaks to accommodate the "ATB" system

[visual spade]

no. It's more like FF13 but much much better

[brisk quail]

In a round about way yeah

[maiden lodge]

Then why does cloud feel like it was made by someone who hasn't played an action game since the PS1?

[wheat agate]

The best final fantasy to date is verum rex

[brisk quail]

The bros moves turned to ATB

[visual spade]

It's not an action game.

[minor trellis]

https://twitter.com/nemuiham/status/1393396541050834944?s=21

りん ₍ᐢ. ̫.ᐢ₎ (@nemuiham)

me after i complete the Reaper job quests in ffxiv: endwalker

Twitter · May 15, 2021, 2:43 AM

[gaunt star]

The problem is people mainly attributing things to him that he had little to no actual part in. Which is what i take issue with.

[visual spade]

The biggest stumbling block of 7R's combat is the brain-dead party AI, which requires you to babysit them a lot

[maiden lodge]

Like hell it's not.

[visual spade]

It's not.

[brisk quail]

The fuck

It's totally an action rpg

[visual spade]

It's an RPG. You can pause the game at any time and make choices.

[teal geyser]

Yeah

[brisk quail]

Same with FFXV

Did you forget it had wait mode too?

[visual spade]

Yeah, FFXV is ... also an RPG.

[maiden lodge]

It's an action game, and it's action combat system is so clunky that you have to say it's not to justify it.

[brisk quail]

They're both action games

[minor trellis]

lol its definitely an action rpg... u CAN implement 2 gaming battle systems together lololol

[gaunt star]

On one hand we have:
"OH MY GOD NOMURA MADE TWEWY AND FF7 AMAZING"

On the other hand we have:
"NOMURA IS THE REASON SQUARE ENIX WAS A SHIT COMPANY, I CAN'T BELIEVE HE DIRECTED FF13"

[visual spade]

You can say that, but it isn't true. It's an RPG, at most you can say it's an "action RPG"

[visual spade]

By what definition of "action game" are you going by here?

[maiden lodge]

No, I can say it's an action game with rpg elements.

[woven escarp]

the thing is that nomura didn't make FFVII lmao, he did the character design

[maiden lodge]

Because, it's not the same fn genre as FF10

[woven escarp]

he's credited for a lot of things he didn't actually do

[gaunt star]

That's literally the point i'm making

[visual spade]

It's an RPG. Just because it isn't turn-based doesn't change that. It's less action-RPG than Nier: Automata

[maiden lodge]

It's not. 'has numbers and equipment' isn't a game genre, it's a game mechanic.

[visual spade]

I would not in any right mind compare FF7R to Devil May Cry 5

[brisk quail]

UHHH I WOULD

[maiden lodge]

RPG isn't a singular genre. Like if you're saying that action-combat-games-with-stats-and-levels is the same genre as Slay the Spire, or that either is the same genre as Bard's Tale you're having a laugh mate

[visual spade]

Why? I'll hear your reasoning.

[brisk quail]

Combat flows similarly. Requires adequate timing and skill to perform moves or counters

[maiden lodge]

'Borderlands isn't a shooter, it's an rpg with shooter elements' is the same level of nutty.

[tropic frigate]

so ff7r is dark souls

[visual spade]

You think the same level of timing and skill in DMC5 is required in FF7R?

[brisk quail]

No. But requires a skill floor

Of that of at least a person above the age of 4

[visual spade]

How many headshots does it take to kill a basic enemy? If the answer depends on your gun's stats, then it's an RPG.

[teal geyser]

[brisk quail]

MY BRAIN CAN'T HANDLE THIS STUPIDITY

[teal geyser]

I guess Call of Duty is an RPG

[visual spade]

A shooter game is very well defined, the emphasis is on mechanical skill at aiming, management of ammunition and avoiding damage.

[maiden lodge]

Every shooter in existance is based on stats.

[visual spade]

CoD literally adds stupid RPG elements to its multiplayer and I stopped giving a shit after that.

[teal geyser]

The amount of headshots you need to do to kill someone in CoD is literally based on the gun stats

[maiden lodge]

Every video game is based on stats, at some level, it's all math under the hood.

[visual spade]

Yes, which is literally an RPG element they added to it.

[brisk quail]

THE FIRST COD DID IT

[mighty light]

This is a genre of shooter referred to as a twitch shooter. It is not all shooters.

[teal geyser]

@visual spade It's been like this since like, Modern Warfare at least

[visual spade]

yes, it's all 1's and 0's, this doesn't really change much

[maiden lodge]

Call of Duty is the same genre as Final Fantasy 1 now, by that heckin logic

[gaunt star]

every game is an rpg

[brisk quail]

It's not like it rolls a dice every time you shoot a gun and it's damage is between 1 and 100

[visual spade]

The first Modern Warfare didn't have gun stats, and it certainly didn't do it in the main campaign.

[brisk quail]

It's NOT like that. Every gun has stats.

[maiden lodge]

It did, you just didn't see them.

[visual spade]

Okay, to then they weren't relevant to the player experience.

[maiden lodge]

ALL shooters have stats on their guns. Doom did!

[kind lark]

Simple stat changed can change a game, look at what happened when battlefield devs changed the time to kill it felt completely different

[brisk quail]

I CAN'T FATHOM SOMEONE BEING THIS DUMB

[teal geyser]

If I shot someone in a head with a pistol they wouldn't die, if I did it with a sniper they would die. Guns had different stats you absolute dingus

[mighty light]

Ynne
Relax

[visual spade]

By your arguement here, every game is an RPG and none of them are.

[maiden lodge]

No, we're pointing out that by YOUR argument, all games are RPGs, because the criterion you are using for an RPG are universal.

[visual spade]

Okay, that's not exactly what I meant with the Borderlands comment though. You can have two pistols, and one shoots "harder" than the other due to higher numbers.

[teal geyser]

so you mean gun customisation?

[maiden lodge]

that's how guns work in Doom... the first one.

[visual spade]

Doom has 9 or so guns, which each accomplish different tasks.

[brisk quail]

A pistol shoots faster than the chain gun in doom.

Therefore it's an RPG

[maiden lodge]

Because of their stats.

The stats determine how they accomplish different tasks

You get how the stat argument breaks down if you squint enough at it?

[visual spade]

Some hit "harder" yes, but that's ... okay, literally you are confusing function for "stats". A high-caliber rifle will always hit harder than a pistol. That doesn't make it an RPG mechanic.

[maiden lodge]

And how it ignores factors like gamefeel and how the game is interacted with?

[teal geyser]

function occurs because of stats

[tropic frigate]

isnt the stats part also more a looter shooter

[maiden lodge]

No, I'm actually not. I'm saying function determines genre, not numbers existing

[visual spade]

Again, you are trying to reduce all variation in function to a "stat" game. Compare Borderlands to Doom original and you'll see how absurd you are being.

[teal geyser]

looter shooters have like, visible open to see stats but all shooters would have stats in the coding about how much a bullet from X gun does and how fast it can shoot bullets etc etc

[visual spade]

It's absolutely a different game entirely.

[brisk quail]

The main issue is how you describe RPGs

Just Stats and equipment isn't an RPG

[visual spade]

I didn't describe RPGs, you described FF7R as an "action game"

[maiden lodge]

And you're trying to compare an action game with action interaction with a turn based rpg, which is MILES more different than Borderlands -> Doom.

[maiden lodge]

Because it is one. And in the context of its combat system, describing it as non-action is, honestly, being deceptive.

[visual spade]

You are limiting RPG to = turn-based, this is your reductionist point

[brisk quail]

No we aren't

[mighty light]

Panacea, I think they're trying to argue that while Borderlands has RPG elements, it is still a shooter, because the emphasis is clearly on traditional shooter skillsets. That's why the genre it spawned is called "looter shooter."

Re: specifically Borderlands

[sage thicket]

Did they keep the concert on yt/twitch for those of us that went to bed?

[maiden lodge]

I'm not saying FF7R isn't an rpg.

[visual spade]

Then we're saying the same thing, but we're disagreeing on what the RPG elements are.

[teal geyser]

did for day 1 so they should have here?

[tropic frigate]

borderlands do got them quests and stuff though which you usually dont see in just any shooter

[visual spade]

If you think Borderlands and Doom 1 are doing the exact same thing, then you're being disgenuous at best

[maiden lodge]

No we're not. We actually weren't disagreeing on rpg elements at all.

I said it's an action game, you said it is not.

[teal geyser]

You said it was because guns had stats

[visual spade]

It's an action-RPG at best

[maiden lodge]

Don't shift the conversation--you are the one who said FF7R was not something.

[visual spade]

And I'd say it's a hybrid of turn-based and action RPG elements. It's less action-oriented than even Kingdom Hearts

[sage thicket]

Cool, i saw something about it being different since it was The Primals or etc.

[maiden lodge]

It's not a hybrid of turn based anything--there's no turn based anything happening.

[teal geyser]

Oh maybe

[visual spade]

Kingdom Hearts you can jump and platform and yoke enemies around, everything is performed in real time and enemies do not use attacks which can hit you regardless of positioning

FF7R is far more restrictive in that regard

[maiden lodge]

It's an action game with action inputs and action verbs and action results. It's an action game. It is not a turn-based game with turn-based inputs and turn-based verbs and turn-based results.

[wheat agate]

kh3 and ff7r are both character action games

[brisk quail]

RPGs usually have keystones of making it a Role Playing Game.

Characters having specific skill sets or stat spreads.
Randomized loot.
Dungeons
Enemies with weaknesses and resistances.
A focus on story rather than combat
Exploration and Quests
An Inventory system
Exp and levels

[visual spade]

Just like Bayonetta?

[brisk quail]

Those are RPG mechanics

[maiden lodge]

these are things present in action games now too

[visual spade]

"now"

[mighty light]

I mean
We do have a term for this
Action RPGs have existed for a while

[visual spade]

You're losing the plot fast here man.

[wheat agate]

yep! its a wide and deep genre

[teal geyser]

I haven't played Bayonetta but sure it's just a different kind of action

[brisk quail]

And there are MANY types of RPGs.

Turn based
Real time
Action

[visual spade]

You are absolutely out of your mind if you think FF7R is in the same genre as Bayonetta

[brisk quail]

MMo RPGs

[maiden lodge]

The point is, you claimed it was not an action game and therefore its gamefeel could not be held to the standards of action games, and I disagree.

[brisk quail]

Rouge likes

[maiden lodge]

bayonetta has stats and xp

[visual spade]

That's like saying Dark Souls is an action game.
Maybe Dark Souls 3, but Dark Souls 1? Nah

[teal geyser]

I mean, I assume Bayonetta isn't nearly as much a RPG by they are both "action" orientated

[visual spade]

XP? It does not.

[maiden lodge]

So you don't have a currency you spend to gain character power?

[visual spade]

It has a currency, and you can increase your health, but then, you can do the same thing in Zelda

This is an age-old argument now. Is Zelda an RPG?

[teal geyser]

YES

[maiden lodge]

Regardless we're off track.

[brisk quail]

Lets put it like this.

If my geriatic grandma who can only press a button every 2 or 3 seconds can't beat the game. It's an action game or something that requires higher dexterous abilties like a shooter

[visual spade]

Is Metroid?

[maiden lodge]

Forget holding FF7R to bayonetta's standards

[brisk quail]

In this vein FF7R is an ACTION game

[plain plover]

holy fuck this is a dumbass argument

[visual spade]

FF7R doesn't even let you jump.

[maiden lodge]

If we agree it's an action RPG than I claim Cloud plays like shit by Action-rpg standards.

[teal geyser]

So far as I understand Metroid no and the reason for that is because what makes an RPG isn't just one specific thing

[wheat agate]

woah woah ff7r does let you jump, in fact most people agree its jump is the worst part of the game

[visual spade]

Hang on. If Zelda is an RPG, then Metroid surely is too. Both have stats you can increase, and by the same method.

The only difference is that Metroid doesn't have an economy.

[maiden lodge]

If Hades didn't exist, and show us how Cloud -should- feel, maybe I'd feel differently. But Hades did Cloud better than Cloud in terms of playfeel and part of that is because Hades was designed by people who aren't trying to 'invent the genre' when it's already been invented years previous.

[teal geyser]

But that isn't the part that makes Zelda an RPG, what makes Zelda an RPG specifically is stuff like the quests and stuff you can get and do on top of other stuff I'm probably missing

[visual spade]

Hades is a top-down action roguelike, this is becoming absurd again.

[hollow lily]

what on earth is going on here XD

[maiden lodge]

The roguelikeness is irrelevant to the point.

[teal geyser]

Panacea with bad takes on what makes a genre

[kind lark]

Genre talk, its like this with music

[visual spade]

The roguelike is literally the whole point of the damn game

[maiden lodge]

But not the whole point of what I am saying.

[plain plover]

can this be taken to general chat lmao

[visual spade]

Again, by your logic, we may as well have no genres at all.

[maiden lodge]

Being a roguelike has nothing to do with the -action feel- of the character.

So using that as a defence is redundant.

[visual spade]

Unless it's a turn-based game, it's not an RPG, so anything short of that must be an action title, regardless of how little that serves to distinguish it.

[brisk quail]

Action game refers to HOW input is handled or what the game expects of you

[brisk quail]

WHOA THERE

Now you're contradicting yourself.

[maiden lodge]

I never argued that being turn-based was required to be 'an rpg', I'm arguing that RPG is a deprecated genre, and using it to describe 'a genre' lacks coherent meaning.

[visual spade]

That's what you guys are saying, I'm summing up your argument

[visual spade]

You are all arguing that there's no difference between Bayonetta and FF7R.

[maiden lodge]

So saying 'they're all rpgs therefore the same genre' is meaningless, because RPG is too broad to be a genre

[brisk quail]

No. That's not at all. You're misguided on what MAKES a game an RPG

[visual spade]

Okay, define it then

[maiden lodge]

No, there's clearly differences.

[hollow lily]

a shooter like cod uses stats to balance its gameplay it in no way defines it as a rpg an rpg is made up of it's story, game mechanics, questing system and decision making you know role play which is in the title...

[brisk quail]

We did earlier. You can scroll up

[plain plover]

#not-ffxiv-discussion can this actually be taken to the more relevant and dead chat

[maiden lodge]

Define RPG? Why? It's not germane to my point. It's an attempt to change the subject and natter on something irrelevant.

FF7R is an action game and cloud feels bad and other action games have made that archetype feel better and SE should have maybe played them ever.

[hollow lily]

guess 14 isnt an rpg at all..... by this logic cause we dont take turns...jeez lmao

[bold condor]

inb4 no it's an MMO obviously

[kind lark]

Its a elf dating sim

[hollow lily]

its a lala adoption sim actually 😛

[bold condor]

Raubahn agrees

[kind lark]

No, thats coming with 6.0

[tiny wind]

ff14 is my afk sim

[viral sandal]

if we pre order now do we get the pre order items now too?

[hollow lily]

yesh

[topaz river]

Now* yes

[kind lark]

All games are walking sims.

[hollow lily]

i mean you're not wrong

[bold condor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/546768775018577948/843577648230694976/image0.jpg

[plain plover]

damn

[odd yoke]

That's really good

[topaz river]

Also hi. If you’re going to talk about what games constitute as RPGs and what do not, please do not do so in this channel

We have #video-games-general for that

[plain plover]

they already moved to general

[topaz river]

Good. Worth the reminder anyway. Please keep the channel on topic

[kind lark]

How long will this channel be around for?

[teal geyser]

Good question

[chilly bluff]

May I say again that I'm mad hyped about Reaper being wholly original. I'm loving every chance they get to do their own stuff.

[sage thicket]

Saaame. Reaper is hitting everything I wanted out of both BST and NEC theories

[teal geyser]

an extra entity with you + pure unadulterated edge?

[pastel coyote]

Now that i've read where they get their inspiration for reaper i'm a bit worried about the teacher we will have

[gaunt star]

I need to make the cutest and most pink and girly outfit for my reaper XD

[pastel coyote]

This word made me worried: chuunibyou

[tiny wind]

a lala reaper sounds funny

[odd yoke]

Lala reapers come for your kneecaps

[sage thicket]

Well, yes. Lol
But also an animation based pet and melee based necromancy. Drk was kinda close, and black magic was necro-adjacent lore wise. It also plays up my personal curiosity of THM/voidmancers

[mighty light]

It's not a pet

[kind lark]

If Ul'dah has taught me anything, lalas are not to be fucked with

[azure whale]

I have no problem with RPR being Chuuni as hell

[sage thicket]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DwgCih4X0AERvRV.jpg

[gaunt star]

Perfection 👌

[tiny wind]

can see cosplays of this guy already

[kind lark]

A testament cosplay would be chad

https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/010/863/577/large/t-sy-zuiezhuangbeai.jpg?1526618050&dl=1

[sage thicket]

Oh, did they do the Gillionaire thing? Spofie spoke shortly on it in her stream

[drowsy belfry]

Looking forward to all the Ya Boi glamours

[tiny wind]

oh no

[sage thicket]

Ah yes, Megurine Luka. My favorite vshojo vtuber

[kind lark]

Whats a vtuber?

[pastel coyote]

An other low-level of humanity

[sage thicket]

It's like a camgirl but above the table

[echo orbit]

it's like a youtuber but with a virtual avatar

[tiny wind]

the final relic step will just change the glow right?

and stats ofc

[ember forum]

just stats

[odd yoke]

New model and glow

[tiny wind]

oh yes new model good news

[ember forum]

Really? Wonder why they'd do new model when last 2 steps added new model and glow

I thought it would only be ilvl increase

[odd yoke]

Relics always constantly change its look

[sturdy kettle]

each step they add is allways new model and glow

[odd yoke]

It always goes no glow > glow > new model > glow

[tiny wind]

idk about the current brd relic thats why i was wondering

[maiden lodge]

There will likely be a new model, no way they'd end it on 'Really Powerful Law's Order Rapier'

There will probably be two steps, one for the intermediary model, one for the final. The intermediary, being a punultimate step likely won't have a glow, but Anima did so it's not 100%

[wet crown]

I won't be suprised if the last two steps are Blood / Cursed and Blessed.

We've been pumping so many negative memories into these, it's nuts.

[maiden lodge]

Damned and Saved.

I would be shocked if the last step's final name didn't have something to do with 'Saving' cause you know, 'Save the Queen' and all that.

[pine epoch]

the gunblade should be Save the Queensguard

[maiden lodge]

That sounds like the opposite of any accomplishment we've done so far eyes DR

[wet crown]

Can I have a Save Dabog weapon?

[heady shadow]

||gonna say goodbye to friends, go alone to the moon, finish shit.timeskip mwhahahaha||

[maiden lodge]

These kids trying hard.

No saving for them.

i died to take this screenshot

[heady shadow]

heh

[tropic frigate]

why do we see the moon in the eye of zenos but not the world in the eye of us? there seems to just be a ball of light which might be a reflection of some sort

[dim sigil]

The sun

[placid sail]

the secret zone is going to be on the sun

[onyx sundial]

oh no its me

[drowsy belfry]

[maiden lodge]

that's a hot take

[placid sail]

it's clear as daylight

[maiden lodge]

I appreciate your bright disposition

[tropic frigate]

i can actually see it as a possibility

[teal geyser]

These puns are blinding

[scenic kraken]

Anyone have a clip of the fender limit break?

[cobalt pendant]

is there a write up anywhere on the live qna? i can't imagine there was much of interest in it but i'd like to see anyways

[lament breach]

#translations-and-liveletters message

[cobalt pendant]

thank you very much

[topaz river]

About a week or so longer

Sorry for the late response

[daring thicket]

i googled the singer from the piano concert and uh i didn't expect to see adult videos of her in the google search

[kind lark]

np.

[jade mauve]

did you type the wrong name or something?

[daring thicket]

nope, definitely her, looks identical and same leg tattoo. nothing wrong with it, just surprising is all

[sage thicket]

Because zenos is just Lunar WoL

[kindred rampart]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1acVcSUYAAHaGk.png:large

[sage thicket]

Wait, of keiko?

[chrome sundial]

Queen

[barren karma]

🥰

[daring thicket]

nono, Amanda the vocalist

[chrome sundial]

As a visually imparied person
Ystola can never die

[barren karma]

Immortal Ystola

[jade mauve]

Y'shtola once again showed why she is best!

[dusty raft]

does anyone have imgur links for the PLL and keynote?

[drowsy belfry]

Badass bitch, sadly she casually walks into the tables in the back tho

[dusty raft]

like for the slides

[jade mauve]

I think that just sells it even more 🙂

[chrome sundial]

Ystola the most gangsta scion

[drowsy belfry]

You're right, it's a goddamn power move

[sage thicket]

Idk about videos but she certainly has some risky imagry lol. Though nothing I wouldn't expect from musicians anymore :eyeroll:

Though i wouldn't be surprised xD

[chrome sundial]

I love the coloring or..lack there of in that scene. The white and gray with the lighting just works so well

[barren karma]

so much hype

Anyone else think tho that Sharlyan is gonna be a smoking crator at the end of Endwalker?

[chrome sundial]

Do we have any idea who that guy she was talking to was

[kind lark]

The twins dad

[chrome sundial]

:OOOOOOOO

[bold condor]

lmao no because that's where our market boards are

[chrome sundial]

We don't usually know of the end game area before release rifht

[barren karma]

@barren karma Weeeel we could have market boards in a smoking crator 😉

[tropic frigate]

yea we dont usually see it from what i know

[mellow surge]

O.O Why is this channel marked NSFW

[bold condor]

Fourchenault Leveilleur. He shows up in a short story called "In Louisoix's Wake" if you're interested.
https://www.finalfantasyxiv.com/anniversary/na/detail/memoir_5.html?rgn=na&lng=en

[chrome sundial]

We can make cockroaches our retainers @barren karma

[regal lantern]

I’m a bit surprised how similar Sharlayan looks to Dravania. I mean okay it’s the same as the colony but even the terrain looks the same. Dravania is an alpine region geographically and Sharlayan should either be tundra like Ishgard or even more cold but I guess they really used Dravania and Idyllshire and remodelled it for Sharlayan

[bold condor]

Because of spoilers.

[sage thicket]

One of these days, I hope the team can do a movie on the side. These cinematics are begging for it. And after Kingsglaive I'm all in on another ff movie xD. I only wonder if our writing lead could do the plot or if it'd get handed to one of her underlings

[bold condor]

Why would it be a tundra? It's literally never been described as one.

[barren karma]

@chrome sundial LOL yes!!

[wide pilot]

the artwork on the vinyl sleeves are beautiful and can't wait for my set to arrive

[regal lantern]

Geographically it’s placed more in the norther region, so...

[barren karma]

@mellow surge Sexy spoilers ')

[bold condor]

So what? It's not like Iceland is a tundra.

[sage thicket]

Inb4 it's the next Idyleshire

[mellow surge]

greenland would like to know your location

[barren karma]

gawwwd they put so much work into new hubs....and we all just hang out in Limsa anyways >-<

[kind lark]

I'm going to vibe in Radz

[regal lantern]

Well I just didn’t expect it to be an exact copy of Dravanian Hinterlands sorry.

[earnest sedge]

Bc the MB is there :V

[bold condor]

We've also seen areas of Sharlayan before in Eureka.

[regal lantern]

Fair, I was expecting something new.

[bold condor]

I mean, they probably chose Dravania (specifically on the cliffs, the geography of Dravania is varied) because it resembled their home island, and also because it's where Nyunkrepf built the vessel that he and his refugees left Eorzea on.

It's also a good site for digging and building weird castles.

[chrome sundial]

The moon area thou..

[regal lantern]

Like this literally looks like someone fixed Idyllshire/Hinterlands

[bold condor]

Ok.

[kind lark]

Darkside of the moon zone

[maiden lodge]

Old Sharlayan somehow looks like a not-broken New Sharlayan

[mellow surge]

well you gotta keep in mind

[maiden lodge]

The mystery will never be solved as to why

[oak pike]

i remember seeing this scene and some on pointed out she walks right behjind here so she gonna bump in to the table behind her.

[regal lantern]

I do hope giving us 3 entirely separate zones doesn’t cause 4.0.2 where we rushed from one zone to another

[maiden lodge]

Honestly, if Old Sharlayan didn't look like Idyllshire/Hinterlands we should have called bullshit.

[regal lantern]

We? No you’d not have called anything

[maiden lodge]

I assure you, I would have.

[heady shadow]

i would

[maiden lodge]

If they didn't use Sharlayan architecture in Sharlayan, that'd be bad.

[mellow surge]

I do agree partially. I think the color pallate of old sharlayan could use some vibrance. Old sharlayan was an established civilazion, while new sharlayan was simply a colony-state. Old Sharlayan would have had access to a lot more resources for cultural expression

[drowsy belfry]

https://twitter.com/michirutuki029/status/1393904467364368386

みちるちる＠あるてま (@michirutuki029)

リーパー解放クエスト。

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[regal lantern]

Architecture is one thing, this is just copy paste. Colonies exists irl too. British colonies existed in indian sub continent and there are many architectures which are straight out of UK but that doesn’t make UK look like India 2.0, just that they have similar buildings

[maiden lodge]

lives in a british colony
has cities which look like british cities
doesn't know what you're on about

[heady shadow]

a lot of UK architecture is also a form of roman

[regal lantern]

Living in a colony too here kawaiian

[maiden lodge]

You do expect differences in architecture--the Goblins in Idyllshire have added their own flair to the proceedings. You do not see the Goblin stuff in Sharlayan.

[regal lantern]

In fact, speaking from bangladesh rn

[maiden lodge]

But this isn't a case of 'Old Sharlayan cribbed from New Sharlayan'

[regal lantern]

Like this sounds an awful lot like a personal problem, of you.

[maiden lodge]

This is a case of 'The stuff we see in New Sharlayan was designed to be what Sharlayan stuff looks like'

[autumn heron]

https://twitter.com/Meidel_H/status/1393989729582911493

Takamoto Hirabayashi (@Meidel_H)

@FF_XIV_EN Haven't done doodles for a good minute, loved how Koji offered to be Yoshi-P's voidsent, couldn't pass on the opportunity to draw it xD #FFXIVFanFest2021 #FFXIV

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[maiden lodge]

And then we have the contrast of Goblin stuff, which is clearly not Sharlayan, has contrasting theme and even color, and that stuff doesn't transfer over.

[heady shadow]

are we seriously gonna go down the route of attacking people now

[maiden lodge]

No one would expect England to look Indian, of course not. That's silly.

They expect it to look English

Like the english stuff in their colonies do

[drowsy belfry]

I mean tbh

Most of central europe looks the same, like it's all born ass neo-goth

[pseudo pasture]

I was hoping to read a lot of positive talk about the Fanfest content

[maiden lodge]

We cried about Soken earlier.

[kind lark]

I need a gif of the t-shirt guy dance

[pseudo pasture]

but a lot of this argumentation is really vaipid

[maiden lodge]

We will again, give it time, these things go in cycles.

[mellow surge]

honestly, fuck social distancing, give yoshi P a hug

[strange wing]

It's been pretty positive. I've been too busy being smug at other MMO fans to be positive.

[rough kestrel]

So lets discuss Y'shtola coming down a staircase that immediately turns, and then leaving the room in a straight line through a wall.

[heady shadow]

we will probabaly get a scene for this

[strange wing]

Look, she's blind. It's fine

[soft gyro]

when did yshtola get blind?

[rough kestrel]

Late ARR/HW I think

[soft gyro]

no wonder i cant remember

[strange wing]

I thought she could only see Aether, but I might be wrong.

[soft gyro]

she closes her eyes when looking at aether

[rough kestrel]

She can basically see in the same way blind superheroes can see

[kind lark]

When she died and got brought back by the forrest guardians

[dim sigil]

Shes gonna jump over thes seats to get up thats how we'll do it if we can go there

[unreal wadi]

I cant watch the closing ceremony without tearing up

[rough kestrel]

When you get to Amaurot, she can see the atherical outline of the entire city and is like "Then you guys are seeing what I'm seeing then...?"

Because she cant believe what she's looking at

Because Emet is broken as fuck in power

[kind lark]

Calling it Yshtola will die again in Endwalker.

[strange wing]

Thancred also.

[soft gyro]

WoL also

[dim sigil]

I predict fandan wil

[strange wing]

Azem will die, but the WoL will be fine

[unreal wadi]

Maybe we finally lose the echo

[soft gyro]

no way!

[rough kestrel]

Moonfilia will die

[kind lark]

Nooooooooooooo

pls no

[rough kestrel]

hydaelyn cannot survive Endwalker

She just cannot.

[strange wing]

Why does the Sharylan map in the trailer also have fog of war?

[rough kestrel]

That's something I noticed too

[kind lark]

Maybe they don't want reveal that area??

[mellow surge]

the full area may not be out of development either

[rough kestrel]

I assume that's a CG thing and ingame they'll have the unveiled version

[strange wing]

Does no one want to go into FF Balkans?

[mellow surge]

could be finalizing zone connections and such

[strange wing]

FF Slavs too stronk

[bold condor]

Someone posted these in Saucey Noodle's Discord and they're so close I feel that it's worth posting.

[pastel coyote]

I don't see HW part, rejected

[bold condor]

RYS AN SOHM IN

RHOS AN KYN ALA NA

[maiden lodge]

Cause the map maker's Sharlayan and doesn't want to go to weird music jail for revealing knowledge

[bold condor]

"They must not know about the Isle of Deez."

||Isle of DEEZ NUTS.||

You knew and still clicked, fools.

[clever flume]

https://tenor.com/view/excalibur-fool-soul-eater-soul-eater-gif-10780727

[strange wing]

The HW section is super out of place, but I love it anyway.

[bold condor]

It's part of what makes me feel "Endwalker" is just a medley of songs from Endwalker made for the cinematic alone.

[pastel coyote]

Well i did click that's true but

[bold condor]

I don't think it'll play (almost) in full the way "Shadowbringers" did.

[strange wing]

Maybe the redone SB part is for the Ultimate

Either way, hope they use the trailer version for the last boss fight.

[rough kestrel]

HW*

I bet the New SB theme is in the Zenos Trial

[maiden lodge]

Soken doesn't make songs for stuff that far in advance.

[rough kestrel]

I can't believe it took 2 Expansions for SB Music to be good

[oak pike]

Hey sb had bangers on release like amatsu kaze

[bold condor]

Storm of Blood was a banger from the moment Triumph hit the scene.

Y'all just salty because Lyse is bland and you gotta add seasoning.

[rough kestrel]

I don't like Triumph at all really

I like Tsukuyomi trial though

[thin light]

Did they ever say what the Triple Triad reward for all cards is going to be? They didn't get to it in the PLL

[bold condor]

SB is the most underrated OST in this game.

[dim sigil]

It is definitely over hated

[rough kestrel]

I think the SB OST is exactly as rated as it needs to be

[bold condor]

You're wrong, it's a good soundtrack and Soken did excellent work on it.

[rough kestrel]

It is a good soundtrack, doesn't change that I don't care about 90% of it

[unreal wadi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6eHuLskqTU&ab_channel=FINALFANTASYXIV

[wind bough]

I dig hearing my personal choir follow me to dungeon boss fights

[unreal wadi]

Lego build of the entire crystarium

also a timelapse of the build itself

[rough kestrel]

That's wild

[bold condor]

woah

[unreal wadi]

it was an online art exhibition for fanfest

[maiden lodge]

That leitmotif did overstay its welcome though, Kugane really could have used a different intro.

[wide pilot]

You could throw that set into a big Star Wars Naboo set and people would be none the wiser lmao

[bold condor]

Agreed, I think an eastern inspired rendition of Revolutions in Kugane would've been nice.

Honestly Revolutions was kind of underused in remixes, a mistake Soken didn't make with Tomorrow and Tomorrow.

[maiden lodge]

Revolutions was underrepresented.

[bold condor]

That being said, Soken used the Measure of His Reach REALLY well throughout the OST.

[maiden lodge]

Hard agree

[bold condor]

Most of the tracks that use it manage to use it so subtly that people don't even notice it's there.

It's actually present in the themes of ALL the Gyr Abania zones.

[maiden lodge]

That said, I will say that when Revolutions was used... mmmmm

Tsukuyomi entrance still best musical entrance in the game mmmm

[bold condor]

I do not think Revolutions itself needed to be played more than in the end credits, though. Like, I don't think it would've been fitting in 4.3 or anything like that.

I also feel that not doing that made Shadowbringers slap harder when it hit in 5.0.

Basically, I think it's okay to not have the ending credits theme used like Final Steps does all the time, it depends on the context.

[maiden lodge]

Well Tsukuyomi did a great job

[bold condor]

Oh yeah she got three really good themes.

[maiden lodge]

Incorporating a lot of the themes including Rev

Which, thematically, works for her narratively

[bold condor]

Phase 1 is The Measure of His Reach, Revolutions
Phase 2 is Cyan's Theme, A Father's Pride/A Mother's Pride
Phase 3 is A Father's Pride/A Mother's Pride

[maiden lodge]

Phase 2 is also Gates of the Moon

yeah

[bold condor]

Also Earth, Wind, and Water is the best rendition of that theme without lyrics.

[maiden lodge]

And, I feel the opposite approach of making To the Edge mostly just Neath Dark Waters with some callbacks to Shadowbringers was, for similar reasons, thematically the right choice.

[bold condor]

Yeah

I do think To the Edge could've used a phase 1 theme though.

[maiden lodge]

Maybe.

[bold condor]

But the fight is kind of short in normal, so it might've taken away from To the Edge.

[drowsy belfry]

Eeeeh nah Timed out too far, and now don't add up at all

[maiden lodge]

Probably they didn't because Extreme lacks a phase transition

[drowsy belfry]

It's deffo TUMBLING DOWN, TUM-BL-ING DOOOOOOWN

[bold condor]

Also with Soken's health like

[maiden lodge]

Yeah

[bold condor]

I'm fine not getting one (though I think he could've reused one).

[maiden lodge]

We got To the Edge, we can't be greedy

[bold condor]

Really it was Ishikawa's choice tbh

Since the song starts in the cutscene.

[maiden lodge]

Possibly

[drowsy belfry]

"There's a step we take, Echoes in our wake. Went and mount our best, to forge ahead" doesn't even make lyrical sense

[maiden lodge]

also there's that too--To the Edge -works- in that cutscene

[drowsy belfry]

Wake and Best don't rhyme

[wide pilot]

I wonder if we will make some kind of deal with a demon in the Reaper job questline. In order to get the battle buddy

[bold condor]

I ain't write it, Hedge.

I kind of really want the Avatar to be the job mentor.

I want him to be a funny reaper man.

[torpid yoke]

Still trying to figure out the trailer lyrics?

[maiden lodge]

Rom, did you see my Avatar shitpost?

[bold condor]

We pick up this rock and then you just hear a beat start playing

[drowsy belfry]

Ofcourse

[bold condor]

and then you hear NYEH HEH HEH A HYUR-MAN?

[torpid yoke]

What part u trying to figure out

[wide pilot]

I was more thinking of "KE KE KE"

[maiden lodge]

I'm going to predict you'll hate me again in about one minute

[bold condor]

https://tenor.com/view/papyrus-undertale-thinking-gif-16277613

[wide pilot]

I mean, probably

[drowsy belfry]

Oh no I was just reacting to what Rommy posted.

[torpid yoke]

Oh

[drowsy belfry]

Dis stop this shit

This is cursed and you know it

[maiden lodge]

Sorry im done

[rough kestrel]

2000 IQ pranks: A new player asks for character creation help, so you give them Ardbert's appearance data and then wait patiently for weeks/months for them to get to that point in HW

[drowsy belfry]

!faq ifrit

[maiden lodge]

Oh it is definately cursed

[lusty shadow]

FAQ Listing

smnifrit

Page 1 of 1

[stiff charm]

makers ruin remake/remix as an alternate phase 1 or 2 would work

[maiden lodge]

!faq smnifrit

[lusty shadow]

why is summoner ifrit?

[drowsy belfry]

So speaking of lyrics. Here's what I've come up with since last time

[rough kestrel]

Oh that reaper shit is a meme? I was like "Why the fuck is it being posted again"

[drowsy belfry]

https://pastebin.com/hMqhu3Zs

Most of the changes I've come up with are at the bottom

[maiden lodge]

I created terrible things last night, terrible terrible things

[wide pilot]

be prepared for players spamming "That wizard, it came form the moon"

[kind lark]

aeiou aeiou aeiou aeiou

[severe brook]

brbrbrbrbrbrbr

[wide pilot]

JOHN MADDEN JOHN MADDEN JOHN MADDEN

[kind lark]

uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

[wide pilot]

DO DO DO DO DO DO DO

[severe brook]

here come another Eorzean Earthquake

[wide pilot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzWzDxxt20U

[kind lark]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8nbrjX2548&ab_channel=BlueandOrang3

[torpid yoke]

I always hear "ever rising door" during the song of hope part XD

[burnt heath]

Aight so I was watching the concert back cause I was too tired to watch it live. Who did this

[woven escarp]

did what?

[chilly bluff]

Lol sick. Ram ranch.

[severe brook]

on a side note i love the Ultima bass line they added to the Primals version of A Long Fall
it was the one Allag-related theme besides Order Yet Undeciphered not included in the original and they incorporated it really well

[deft burrow]

the concert was great

[maiden lodge]

Did Soken go BWAH?!

[deft burrow]

I really wish there was an in person crowd

[woven escarp]

I was promised a BWAH, but I missed the concert

[deft burrow]

Yeah we got a BWAH

They did an encore with Shadowbringers as the final song

[severe brook]

i am watching through the concert now since i couldn't stay up that late

[in response to trying to read a question] "I can't see, we all have terrible eyesight" lmao

[maiden lodge]

The team doing the meme dance was excellent

[gaunt star]

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[deft burrow]

Oh yeah

[woven escarp]

bigger than the guitar?

[gaunt star]

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[woven escarp]

no, that was inevitable

[wide idol]

it was probably really easy for them anyway so idk if thats really a cave

[woven escarp]

anyone with a brain would have seen male viera and female ronso coming from 5.0

[gaunt star]

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[wide idol]

well they might use femroe torso if theyre gonna save costs

[tropic frigate]

considering what males were compared to their originals probably wont look too great

[wide idol]

just diff texture, then diff bottom half

[wind bough]

There was a whole Fan Fest of course big news dropped

[gaunt star]

Whilst I absolutely adore my bunself, I may have a short stint as a furry Amazonian goddess, I mean, I was a sexy Amazonian goddess pre ShB XD

[wind bough]

Full trailer, reaper job, Old Sharlayan main city, male Viera, female Hrothgar confirmed coming later, Oceania datacentres

[polar sage]

I might actually play DPS and Healer now

[wide idol]

better looking gorl khajiit is a gud time

[wind bough]

Several dungeons and zone videos

[polar sage]

Jk I don't play non tanks I lack the braincells

[tropic frigate]

i have an idea what female hrothgar faces will look like which people may like

[wind bough]

Remember we have some art of female Hrothgar ingame already in Bozja cutscenes

[heady shadow]

WAIT.
THERE MOON FISH NOW

[tropic frigate]

oh

[heady shadow]

time for some solar weather

[gaunt star]

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[tropic frigate]

i hope to see an among us fish

[gaunt star]

What we hope for! (Well me that is)

[maiden lodge]

It's for sale, so yes

[severe brook]

"It's the water off the moon"

[gaunt star]

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[gaunt star]

£24 nodnod

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Nope

[vivid fern]

how do we save the queen?

[gaunt star]

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[ashen coral]

It won't be blitzball

[maiden lodge]

We were too busy to ask ourselves how to do this thing that we never asked if we should.

[gaunt star]

Please don’t fuck up female Hrothgar the same way you did males SE

[severe brook]

huh, she was always there, wasn't she

[maiden lodge]

I always just assumed that was a femroe pretending but... them hand maidens

[wind bough]

Yeah

[severe brook]

i mean that Nevembya was always among the handmaidens

[wind bough]

Yeah that too

[maiden lodge]

Oh shit you're RIGHT

[mighty light]

Please I am begging you
Not another "bulky lorge cartoonishly proportioned men thin sexy feminine women" race

Please

[maiden lodge]

my vote is for comically lorge amazonian beasts

[carmine basin]

They might see the player base asking for the old au ra design and incorporate that to fem hrothgar, maybe

[maiden lodge]

Ah well, it's a long way out anyways

[gaunt star]

Whatever they release will be scaled off midlander female’s base, so something like femroe build isn’t impossible for them

[mighty light]

How femroe compares to maleroe is what I am complaining about

[wind bough]

Hmm are Viera midlander based

[maiden lodge]

I mean I like femroe as they are

That archetype has a place

[severe brook]

Femhroth Pugilist but they just stand there and smack people by pivoting back and forth

[maiden lodge]

'Is that the raid boss?' 'No, that's the healer'

[carmine basin]

Nah I think they're unique, their arms are longer than femra/femmid/femqote, and generally different proportions

[mighty light]

Same, but like
We've got maleroe and femroe, then male au ra and fem au ra; I am very tired

[carmine basin]

Like if femmid etc has teenager body, then femviera is def adult. male viera looks closer to mid/miqo/au ra tho

[maiden lodge]

I mean we're 200% agreeing

[gaunt star]

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[severe brook]

glorious

[deft burrow]

twinks

[maiden lodge]

The prettiest of manfrans

[gaunt star]

Like adult nier replicant build

[pine epoch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NxPJ_BPSwU

[deft burrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NxPJ_BPSwU

[hidden rivet]

Does anyone remember if they said anything about ishgard housing?? are we getting that in EW or sooner?

[gaunt star]

6.1, so 2022